Wrath of God

[shy vapor]

I play with only elemental (technically instrumentum too but that's not relevant here) on 1.18, which severely limits my cool spell repertoire. No wall, no burst, no chain- so how do I make a spell worthy of an archmage?

I settled on this: Wrath of God.

[Propagate Arc]

I'll take some videos later when I can, but basically, it rains explosives down from the sky and spawns lightning where they hit. It's a gorgeous display. It lacks the technical destructive power of just a linger sensitive explosion with a lot of aoe and extend time, but this one is much more fitting of a wizard.

I also made a few variants, and I'd love more if you think of any, by replacing lightning with:
for Eldritch Incursion
for Revelation Oceania
for Spawning Nova (my personal favorite)
for a non-destructive (but also more boring bc it doesnt rain down the same way) variant
for Meteor Shower
Ignite unfortunately does not work, I wish it did tho. Maybe with block shapers? I don't know if it's being destroyed by the explosion or not lol

Anyway, that's all

[lucid nacelle]

video?

[shy vapor]

I will in the next couple days- life has gotten in the way

[warped trout]

Interesting, might base smth off this.

[warped trout]

this is so powerful

[shy vapor]

You like it?

Imagine it with all the fun glyphs enabled lol

[warped trout]

I love it

[shy vapor]

:D

[warped trout]

I made a funny spell

I call it clusterfuck

[shy vapor]

I'm begging you to tell me more

[warped trout]

Its the best cluster bomb out there

[shy vapor]

Excellent

[warped trout]

I made my version not destroy blocks

arc [p_overhead]⛓️[P_arc]

Pretty much just a big ass bomb

[shy vapor]

Once I figure out how to get a video of mine I'd love to see that

[shy vapor]

https://youtu.be/8JaETA8NAPM

[shy vapor]

video.

https://youtu.be/-8mMfG2Xn8A (spawning nova)

[runic belfry]

This is in 1.18?

Wow

[shy vapor]

sure is! without even TMG

[noble smelt]

I expected a self-explosion finale with the summoning focus

[shy vapor]

oooooh that's a good idea

nah this one was just to make abig army

i forgot all about summoning focus lol

[noble smelt]

Unsure on if the intrisic delay from having the arcs scattered still allow that spell or there will be a lot less clones in current versions

In old versions there was no cooldown for so it was a crash machine

[shy vapor]

if you get a chance to test it I'd be very appreciative

[slow stratus]

could i put this on a casting wand then just put dampen on the end so it still does dmg but doesn't break terrain

[warped trout]

Yes probably

[shy vapor]

Actually, no

[shy vapor]

Unfortunately, breaking the terrain is the only way I've found to get the desired effect

If you don't break it, the projectiles don't truly scatter or rain- rather, they make sort of a spread of shots that launch out from you [see the non-destructive variant]

It's still kinda neat, but not great

Additionally, the damage is next to nothing, so it's not even good for crowd control without the large explosions

Sure, a casting wand could give you one aoe or amplify, but I'm not sure that'll make the biggest difference

[shy vapor]

It is possible that the extra glyph of a casting wand could make a difference. I will test this

[shy vapor]

okay so

tested it

in the casting wand, I used the extra space to make another on the dampened explosion

the result was very neat looking, but not really effective at much of anything

it got a decently high height

but the damage was lackluster, as to be expected

[calm mountain]

linger -> propagate arc is GENIUS, thank you so much

[shy vapor]

:)))))

Honestly it was really an adaptation of the 1.18 workaround for Fire Gatling

Because there's no overhead form, a sensitive linger anchored to a magelight that shoots propagate homing is the admittedly less cool version

I did not expect the propagate arc with the explosion to do so much though

That was a very pleasant surprise

I do wonder if I can somehow get greater chaining if I can fit another propagate arc in, but I'll have to test that later. Going through a lot rn

[calm mountain]

🫂

[shy vapor]

Thank you :,)

[calm mountain]

when i play today after work, i'll try out some stuff like multiple arcs

i'll need to figure out how the arc system works (co. ltd.)

[shy vapor]

I should be able to test some stuff very soon i hope

I look forward to hearing your results

[chrome bough]

wrath of god is a very intense name but doesn't do enough justice for the concept I think

gods wrath can manifest in many ways, this is uniquely flashy

oh this is an old thread

[chrome bough]

I think I pioneered this!

#1105253489820565504 message

are you talking about this?

[shy vapor]

any suggestions? I think the variation names hit it home a little better but

idk

I come from Magic: the Gathering so the term "Wrath of God" is something very special to me

I felt this deserved it

[shy vapor]

well thank you then :)

[chrome bough]

ah! i didn't consider this

[chrome bough]

feels weird to see someone crediting something I did for something objectively way cooler

thats the beauty of academia

[warped trout]

Bro u pioneered everything

[shy vapor]

If algebra were never discovered by al-Khwarizmi, could Newton have discovered calculus?

[shy vapor]

Realizing that I can make something truly worthy of a deity if I use a wand >:)
(Use the extra glyph to get both lightning AND fangs)

When I get a chance I'll make some videos

[shy vapor]

I will be doing some math soon to try and calculate the edits one could make to get the highest number of projectiles

[warped trout]

nice

[shy vapor]

Hi lava

Preliminary, the number of projectiles in theory should be s×e×p×a^2, where s 1 plus is the number of splits, e is 3 plus the number of extend times on the linger, p is 1 plus the number of pierces, and a is 3 plus twice the number of aoe's on the linger

It would stand to reason, in theory, that aoe should be primarily focused if another glyph could be added

The current formula has s = 2, e = 3, p = 2, and a =5, for a total result of 300 projectiles

But in reality, many detonate in the initial explosion

I need to find a way to get more of them consistently in the air for a cooler effect

Idk if it's possible, but I intend to try

It's also notable that technically, propagate arc shoots in the direction you are facing. Maybe tilting your camera up would do something? But then you'd miss the show :/

Maybe I'm missing some possible variables

I suppose you could split the initial projectile...

Hm

I worry about having two sources of explosions tho

[shy vapor]

I'm gonna write this out better

(s+1)(e+3)(p+1)[(2a+3)^2]
Where s is split, e is extend time, p is pierce, a is aoe

Theoretically, orbit sensitive would be able to add 3, instead of the two added by projectile pierce, but then you can't shoot it, so I don't really want to do that

FIRE FOCUS

EXTRA AMPS ON THE EXPLOSION

I will be testing this as immediately as possible

It won't affect projectile count but maybe it'll make the aoe after the explosion unnecessary?

Or at the very least it'll make the projectiles go higher which is always good

Would sticking in an initial explosion before the propagated arcs help?

[calm mountain]

half would be under the ground regardless of AOE size, so a constant 1/2 factor is necessary

[shy vapor]

true

hm

THE FIRE FOCUS HELPS SO MUCH

so I decided to put on the focus and use two aoes on the explosion

[shy vapor]

WE HAVE AN UPDATE EVERYONE

https://youtu.be/qB-oFsWIjbI

Introducing: Black Powder Snowfall

[Propagate Arc]

with Fire Focus

it makes all the difference in the world

watch, weep, and tremble

[warped trout]

Oh god thats so scenic

[calm mountain]

wow

so pretty

[shy vapor]

Thank you all :)

[charred sable]

Hello where can I found Propagate Arc?
I cant find in the book spell

[charred sable]

@shy vapor sorry for tag but can you help me find that spell please 🥲

[warped trout]

You need the mod "ars elemental"

[warped trout]

I suggest asking in #general-and-help instead of pinging other ppl

[tidal shale]

now do it with ars trinkets's AOE 3

https://tenor.com/view/faust-gif-12478501275459632096

[chrome bough]

trinkets

[shy vapor]

Oh lord

I only play with elemental rn

[tidal shale]

Do it.

It's for the science

https://tenor.com/view/squish-squishy-dog-gif-21221963

[shy vapor]

Yeah, you do need elemental unfortunately, it's really hard to do anything cool on base ars

[shy vapor]

Someday, I shall fall to the Forbidden Mods

That day is not today

[tidal shale]

Just... Make another modpack

Eh

[shy vapor]

No

[warped trout]

Mfw ars extended glyphs

(it adds conjure source)

[jagged sparrow]

.

[royal heron]

I tried doing it with AOE 3, results are wild

[shy vapor]

That's incredible

I only wish you were close enough to see the particles shoot up

Is that still in 1.18?

[royal heron]

No, I tried your spell in 1.20.1. I'm not sure if AOE3 is available for 1.18

[royal heron]

The explosion with this spell is too large for me to consider casting it close. I tried casting it close once, but died from fall damage

I also cut out the part where a late explosion projectile bombed the ground below me

[shy vapor]

How high are they launched?????

[royal heron]

BTW, the spell is great. It doesn't use all slots, so it leaves some room for imagination

[royal heron]

Very high

[shy vapor]

I absolutely love adding lightning, that's personally my favorite

[royal heron]

Explosions can finish 10 seconds after the first one

[shy vapor]

Blink is hilarious if you hate yourself

[shy vapor]

Wowww

[royal heron]

Hell yeah, it really looks like the wrath of God with lightning

[royal heron]

I don't even wanna think about how it looks

[shy vapor]

Maybe I'll video it later, it looks awful

I kinda love it

It's effective in pvp in making sure you can never be hit ever for the duration of the spell

[royal heron]

I can imagine that it looks like an anime hero who teleports all over the place leaving afterimages of himself

[shy vapor]

Maybe in third person

Oh wait

Hold on

Add decoy and blink

Then it's really that

[royal heron]

Oh my god

I wanna try it right now

[shy vapor]

Do it

I'm on vacation and therefore away from my computer otherwise I would

Unfortunately explosions do kill many of them but that is a price to pay

[shy vapor]

Did you have fire focus or whatever the 1.20 equivalent is that gives more free amplifies to explosion?

[royal heron]

I did, both a fire focus and a pyromancer armor from some mod

[royal heron]

Didn't work as I expected

[shy vapor]

Oh?

[shy vapor]

Gotcha

[royal heron]

I'll send a video

Did it with and without explosion

[shy vapor]

Well without explosion def isn't gonna work

[shy vapor]

For this reason

[royal heron]

Yeah, I guess it's needed to throw projectiles properly

[shy vapor]

Put explosion before summon decoy

That way the decoy is summoned before the explosion, as an explosion is a single-time burst, not a continuous effect

[royal heron]

It didn't change much

[shy vapor]

Really? Maybe it works differently in 1.20, I demonstrated it not killing them in one of my original videos

[royal heron]

There are a few more decoys that survived but a lot of them died from future explosions

[shy vapor]

Here

[shy vapor]

Fair

And with more aoe you're gonna hit more of them per explosion anyway

That might just be the price of Big Explosion

And using fire focus with the amplifies is increasing the damage so it takes less explosions to kill them

[royal heron]

Tried making a closer shot for a triple AOE3 spell

[grave frost]

How do you do AOE3 on the spell?

(I literally just touched Ars like three days ago LMFAO)

[warped trout]

Addon glyph that works like in one glyph.

[grave frost]

I see

What addon would that be part of?

[warped trout]

Depends on ur version

[grave frost]

I see none in elemental and trinket, or atleast the version I use

Yeah

I'm in 1.20.1

[warped trout]

Actually i think its just TMG (too many glyphs)

[grave frost]

Oooh, sick, thanks

[tidal shale]

i think it was in trinkets

but idk, probably lava is right

[royal heron]

no, it's from Adam's ars plus

[royal heron]

Amplify III is from TMG but AOE III, Extend time III and Accelerate III are from Adam's ars plus

[tidal shale]

@shy vapor what is the second glyph in base spell?

[shy vapor]

Pierce?

If you tap the emoji it tells you the name

[solar lantern]

quick question as to wrath of god, can you replace projectile and propagate arc with homing projectile and propagate homing to make it hone in on what you're trying to hit, maybe a player?

[noble smelt]

initial projectile to homing yes

but better keep arc, the projectiles will be launched away by the explosions and homing either trigger early enough to not be affected at all or gets yeeted out of range

and since homing has no gravity, it will not return to earth

[solar lantern]

Fair enough. Im trying to make kind of an obliteration spell using Adam's Ars Plus and sonic boom, so im trying to figure out how i can target the player im hitting

[shy vapor]

What Alex said, initial works but I don't prefer it because it sometimes targets, say, a mob behind me and then it gets very bad very fast

Really doesn't work propagated, tho I might see if I can figure out a way to have them burst into swarmable shots

Idk on it yet

[solar lantern]

if you can, please let me know. i have a grudge against a guy who doesnt die lol

[shy vapor]

There's a lot more efficient ways to deal with it damage-wise than wrath of God lol

This one is just the coolest looking and most collateral damage causing one

[shy vapor]

I have created a monster.

I will be videoing it within the next few hours

I MANAGED TO CRASH MY SERVER OH NO

[shy vapor]

I am changing the fucking game. I'm changing the #1258240326032818207. I'm changing #1232732218540167179. 1.18 elemental only will never, ever be the same as soon as I can record.

You know it's a good spell when you have to make it more powerful as a SAFETY FEATURE

[chrome bough]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-1787947313354313976

[shy vapor]

https://youtu.be/hWZfqNPpK-g

https://youtu.be/gnVRg5XfxKE

so

some thoughts

fire focus is important. without it, the server definitely crashes. the extra damage kills some of the decoys which gives the server a CHANCE of surviving. It didn't live through my friend joining, but it did live through me on solo. It will need to be tweaked.

What happened, if you don't realize, is that the summoner's focus caused all the decoys to cast a copy of the spell.

A belt of levitation is mandatory for survival.

here's the glyphs:
All is Dust: [propagate_arc]

An interesting interaction: remove the after the and add in instead. With fire focus and summoner's focus, you make an army of decoys that shoot waves after waves of explosions.

[chrome bough]

oh

OH

I DIDNT SEE THIS

[shy vapor]

:)

[chrome bough]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

HOLY SHIT

[shy vapor]

I have broken ars nouveau

[chrome bough]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-gif-25333385

there has never been a more appropriate use of this gif I think

the fact all you need to do this is elemental

not omega, not TMG

no chains, no rays...

no kings, only dust

but we can go further. I know it

[shy vapor]

I haven't fine tuned this yet, but my main world won't survive fine tuning lol

[still wind]

What would happen if you replaced with ?

[chrome bough]

it would crash the server because nothing would be killing the absurd amount of decoys

it is also why the fire focus is necessary

actually it wouldn't crash the server

it would just slow your client to a grinding halt

and probably chunkban you

until they despawn on their own

[still wind]

Rune at the beginning, instant chunkban?

[chrome bough]

i'm not entertaining the idea

[shy vapor]

More importantly, spell wouldn't function

The reason it can spawn so many decoys is that the rain of destruction makes all the decoys at different times

It actually would be much, much better for the server's overall health and vitality

The decoys are not what's causing the lag lol

It's the Arc particles and the many, many explosions

[shy vapor]

It requires a double cast unfortunately so that may not be feasible

[shy vapor]

I need the @static totem thoughts on this subject

[static totem]

I'm here

[shy vapor]

This

I don't know what numbers to even run but I think we need some

[static totem]

I absolutely love this spell

[shy vapor]

This is very high praise thank you

[static totem]

🏹

It might be worth replacing an with a to get more projectiles and decoys

Burst could possibly give higher numbers and reduce the decoy fatality rate

But I know you're playing in an older version

It could also be worthwhile adding a little after linger to spread the projectiles

If I remember correctly, the mirror allows casting spells with an extra slot
.

[static totem]

Therefore, I suggest you try using 🏹 with the Enchanter's Mirror

[shy vapor]

I think having a higher fatality rate is maybe a good thing

It makes it slightly less likely to crash a server lol

[shy vapor]

I will be trying this tho

[static totem]

Capping a spell to save a server

[shy vapor]

Wait does another split increase the number of projectiles?

[static totem]

I think it does

Though I'm not sure if it increases to 4 or 3

But *8 extends to your fov

[shy vapor]

One aoe gives 5x5 area, two is 7x7
Each split is +1 projectile

So 5x5x3=75, 7x7x2=98

[static totem]

Oh nice. Didn't know that

Right then

[shy vapor]

Ye, they wanted linger to always have a perfect midpoint so they're always odd numbers

My real question is can I get more destruction by changing glyphs on explosion

Idk

[static totem]

I mean, always helps

Though also affects EPower

[shy vapor]

I might try abd make a version that has larger and fewer explosions to see if I can both get more destruction and less crashing

[static totem]

Good idea

🏹

[static totem]

This should halve the amount, while increasing the explosion radius by 66%

The radius should increase the number of destroyed blocks by ×4,6

[shy vapor]

I genuinely don't know what I'd do without you, thank you

I'll test it later

[shy vapor]

I think I have a solution for you now

I found what is better than homing

[shy vapor]

He'll probably die, alright

[static totem]

Just thought of something

@shy vapor Why don't we use the necromancy focus with ?

Hmm

Maybe actually not a good idea

is a bit long and wasteful

And if I understand correctly the summons must be revived to copy your [homing] spell

[shy vapor]

Correct

Yeah it's a little too long for this spell sadly

[solar lantern]

oh no

[shy vapor]

:)

[solar lantern]

what did you find =))

[static totem]

From what I've read you want to obliterate someone

You know that IFrames will protect him, even if you send a thousand explosions his way, right?

If you still want to yeet him, I suggest you use on an enchanter's bow: [prop_homing]

[untold hedge]

Ehehehehe mischief

[static totem]

Can't annoy you if he's in the stratosphere

[untold hedge]

Use crossbow > send into end dimension (probably Into void) > let mischief begin

Like a timed bomb

[static totem]

You can also send him below bedrock

[untold hedge]

He will rise into sky and fall down into void

[static totem]

Ooh

Though being endlessly teleported between 2 portals is also fun

[untold hedge]

ENDlessly

Ehehehe

[solar lantern]

isnt there a way to get past those? also ive been using nearest player and flinging him a thousand feet away

[solar lantern]

launch + amplify x7?

the problem is we use the trinkets mod and we have rabbit shoes

which completely negate fall damage

[shy vapor]

Yes, but as you saw in the video, I was also launched into the stratosphere

[shy vapor]

I DIDN'T READ THIS BUT YO NICE WORD CHOICE

[shy vapor]

#1222573197619101728 #1105253489820565504

[solar lantern]

thought so

hes also immune to fire cuz origi- wait he changed his origin i think

[shy vapor]

Wrath of God and its derivatives excel at environmental and horde destruction, but it's not the perfect anti-player choice when other absurd mods are brought in

[solar lantern]

ive found that out quick. we brought in a whole bunch of ars mods and even spirit bomb from trinkets doesnt do much. i havent made the maximum amount of mana tho...

[shy vapor]

Try the harm cannon

It doesn't rely on elemental damage

That's the Lava special

[solar lantern]

aight bet

[static totem]

Just saw this https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1261345895371374645

[warped trout]

I really gotta start posting other spells

I wanna be known as the damage / iframe skip guy but i dont want that to be the only thing ppl know me for

[static totem]

Wanna join the simulmancy group?

[warped trout]

The hell is simulancy

The decoy stuff?

[static totem]

Yup

[static totem]

.

[shy vapor]

My name is catching on!

[static totem]

?

[shy vapor]

Good catch

[static totem]

🏹

What do you think?

[static totem]

441 projectiles per arrow

[chrome bough]

it'll forever be decoy magic to me

[shy vapor]

How is orbit both a form and an effect

Unless you're sticking that on a mirror

[static totem]

Bow probably

[inland onyx]

or wand

but he does say per "arrow" so probably bow

[still wind]

Crossbow perhap?

[shy vapor]

I can't read

[static totem]

Again. What do you guys think?

[static totem]

Guys. I'm making a spell damage calculator for .
Wanna send me some spells of yours to rank them?

SPELL RANKING

Simulmancy:

1. 🏹(8.7 : 2545.8)
2. 🏹(4.4 : 662.7)
3. 🏹(4.4 : 662.7)

Base

1. 🏹(13.3)
2. 🏹(7.2)

[chrome bough]

sumulmancy explosion being like orders of magnitude more destructive to the terrain is really funny to me

[shy vapor]

It doesn't work on 1.18 but I like the concept very much

[shy vapor]

Thank you graph man :)

[shy vapor]

How does the OG rank? I know it uses one less glyph but

[static totem]

Not bad. Second place.
Does less destruction on first cast, but on second it picks up due to having more summoned decoys

[shy vapor]

Damn, nice

So one more glyph probably could put it on top

Maybe

Oh wait no

The first one is like 2.5k

[static totem]

It literally does. The top one only has 1 more after explosion

Adding an after linger doesn't work quite as well

[shy vapor]

Oh lol, sick

I never though explosion radius could top more projectiles but it makes more sense

[static totem]

Yep

[shy vapor]

Thank you so much

Idk what I'd do without you

[static totem]

Burst might be the end game, but sadly my pc died before I could gather intell

Just one day after being repaired

[compact lava]

what does the bow emoji represnt?

[static totem]

Propagate arc

[compact lava]

ah

ty

[static totem]

As per the https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1252888862976639068 thread

[compact lava]

i havent gone there yet

thanks for help

if u really want to kill a server use the decoy one with split arrows in a bow

that almost crashed my game

correction

it did crash my game

it spawned 11801 entities

[shy vapor]

It crashes most games normally unless you have a pretty beefy computer lol

I cannot in good conscience recommend any specialized arrow here

[shy vapor]

...I have an idea

I think I can go further than All is Dust

I won't really be able to test for the next few days but the concept is: what happens when we combine summoner's focus and block shaper's focus?

Imagine a spell like 🏹

That's a very rough one that I haven't tested at all but

Maybe it would even remove the need for linger because you could theoretically launch a platform of mageblocks to then explode from

And then summon decoys there which will do the same

I have very high hopes for this, and because it could theoretically be one burst, it could be controlled much better to not crash your pc

I intend to test this within 5 days but I wanted to generate discussion around it

[warped trout]

Isn't there only one focus slot?

[shy vapor]

Your offhand holds another focus!

That's how we got All is Dust so powerful- it's fire + summoning

[warped trout]

WAIT WHAT

THATS A THING???????????

this is gonna be FUN

[shy vapor]

I am so happy you have now discovered this

I know Thronglemancy is about to get much scarier

[warped trout]

I know a LOT of things that could get scarier

[shy vapor]

Honestly the main barrier for me is practicality

[warped trout]

you care about PRACTICALITY?

Such blasphemy has not been heard in ages

[shy vapor]

Lolll

I meant that switching between two foci just

Sucks

[warped trout]

How dare you try to make thine sacred arts practical

[shy vapor]

Wrath of God and its derivatives shall not be practical but my general spells will be

[warped trout]

At this point barely any of my spells are practical

I try to make a dope ass spell AND THEN tweak it for practicality

[shy vapor]

So real

Based

[shy vapor]

Did you see the All is Dust vid btw

[warped trout]

Yes

Its insane

[shy vapor]

I'm being very annoying about it bc I am very proud

[warped trout]

Fair enough

BUT IN THAT CASE

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1222573197619101728
https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1227012706758819850
https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1222104464756969502
https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1262037051440762921

[shy vapor]

How dare you

Is this what the royal navy felt as pirates boarded

[warped trout]

I might publish book of fun V2 soon - its already finished, just not published

[warped trout]

YARR

[shy vapor]

Maybe I need a book of fun lite, for people without all the fancy add-ons (this is the only thing I have going for me)

[warped trout]

YARR HARR FIDDLE DE DEE BEING A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT TO BE

DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE

YOU ARE A PIRATE!

[shy vapor]

Music channel when (to recommend shanties)

[warped trout]

As in, you need to have one or to make one

Cuz i can prolly throw together some spells from my 7+ spellbooks if u want

[shy vapor]

Haven't made it yet but I easily could, I've made a lot of spells over the time I've been with the mod

[shy vapor]

Eh, you can if you want! It's not pressing and I'm only putting it out there hypothetically rn

[warped trout]

Fair enough lol

Ngl imma just start publishing my spells in sets of 3

Cuz noone wants to read one massive block of text describing a bunch of spells

But if i make seperate threads named "spell 1, spell 2 & spell 3" people might actually care

Ofc ill only release actually good (or cool) spells

But being cool does also make a spell good imo

[shy vapor]

Ye, you could theme them as mini-books maybe

Like Lavarchist's Cookbook for explosive ones, the Lavanomicon for undead ones, etc.

[warped trout]

I love that

Our god is speaking

Quiet everyone

[static totem]

Maybe. I know that summons can't summon other summons. But could blocks summon?
By that logic, though, they wouldn't respond to

[warped trout]

🙏

[warped trout]

I feel like yall are about to discover something that will get patched asap

[static totem]

I guess one could bypass the limits of by including the damaging part in the spell:

[shy vapor]

I hope so lol

[shy vapor]

I don't know! But there's only one way to find out!

[warped trout]

Wait

Holy shit

Holy shit

⛓️

Cast that twice

Is fun

[static totem]

My best guess would be

[static totem]

By the way. Do you know how many blocks affects per ?

[warped trout]

It was either 63 or 81 blocks with one

[static totem]

Nice

That's going to my calculator

[warped trout]

One second

15 with no aoe

According to the harm cannon thread's math is 81 blocks

⛓️ is x16

(i think)

[static totem]

Do you know it for 2 ?

[warped trout]

Ngl it might be 81 for 2 aoe

I mightve messed up while doing the math for harm cannon

[static totem]

Could you try using ?

And tell us the radius?

[warped trout]

Thats what i did originally

[static totem]

Without aoe that should have a circumference of 5

[warped trout]

Ok i think im trippin

But in that case, is 63 blocks and is 81

I thought the standard circumference was 3 lmao

[static totem]

Wait, I'm tripping now

[shy vapor]

Wait doesn't the number of blocks increase every time?

[static totem]

3^3= 27

[shy vapor]

I've never used burst but like. Say it's a 3x3 cube. If it goes up to 5x5, that's 9-25 (16 block change)
Bring that to 7x7 for 25-49 (24 block change)

And it's cubed so the difference will be even greater

[static totem]

Yeah I know

But it's more of a sphere than a cube

So 27-15=12

How the hell do you manage to get a 15 block sphere?

[warped trout]

Very bad math in head

What i was thinking of is 19 blocks

[static totem]

Okay. So a 333 cube without corners 27 - 8 = 19

[warped trout]

How

HOW

ITS BEEN 6 AND A HALF HOURS

AND YOU RESPOND

2 MINUTES AFTER I WAKE UP

[static totem]

I slep

[warped trout]

Fair enough

[static totem]

Lol

[warped trout]

Is it 6:30 or 7:30 for u

Im guessing 6:30

[static totem]

6:36

[warped trout]

Ye same

What the fuck

Now im just bullshitting

Its 7:30

[static totem]

XD

[still wind]

Hawaii or East Europe?

[static totem]

Europe

[warped trout]

How is that hawaii

[static totem]

I guess no one in their right mind would wake up at 6pm

[warped trout]

Ohhhh that

Then again i said 7:30 and 6:30 without "am" so its fair to assume i used 24-hour time

[static totem]

81 block is probably a 5 block circumference sphere, composed of a 333 cube with 331 plates on each side

[warped trout]

Ye

Or 7 blocks if thats a thing

[static totem]

Lol. * Doing some weird stuff with my letters

[warped trout]

I'll try to get accurate data later today

[static totem]

Thanks

[still wind]

I am not a clever man.

[warped trout]

Same tbh

Ive just dedicated 95% of my few brain cells to playing silly little video games

U should try that

It gives u 5% to think thoughts

[still wind]

I do the inverse, involuntarily.

[shy vapor]

Hiiiii

[still wind]

Bone jaw

[warped trout]

Hello

[static totem]

Morning

I suspect it is (15; 81; 179; 437)

[still wind]

Can this be made into an equation/sequence?

f(x) = a*(b)^x

That type of shenanigan?

[shy vapor]

Sorry I'm drunk lol

[static totem]

Nope

[static totem]

Spheres are easy to calculate

But when geometry is converted into cubical voxels, only a program will help you

[desert laurel]

hello graph man, do you know how many times * 4 [chain] *4 would propagate?

[static totem]

If I knew how many blocks *4 affects and how [chain] works the yeah

We can approximate burst to 697 repetitions

[desert laurel]

wow

thanks

[static totem]

That's not all

[desert laurel]

ill look into [chain]’s source code to see how it works

[static totem]

Thanks

Or just try ⛓️ and count the decoys with and without

[desert laurel]

from what i gathered, each grants 16 more block targry with [chain]’s default being 16 block targets

[static totem]

Wow

[desert laurel]

source

[static totem]

So 55 760 repetitions in total

[desert laurel]

yep

each rep dealing ~ 200 heart

[static totem]

Are you using infinite length spells?

Because your spell, without a form, is already 10 Glyphs long

And I don't think there's an enchanter's tool that grants so that you may have a free slot

[warped trout]

Chain doesnt need

[desert laurel]

yesp

[desert laurel]

i am targeting air block

[warped trout]

Chain targets air without

[desert laurel]

ah alr

didn’t know itp

[chrome bough]

glad to see some new develoents have happened in here

[shy vapor]

I will reach the final frontier.

[static totem]

Any updates?

[warped trout]

Soon

[static totem]

Nice

[warped trout]

Aight

19 blocks covered

81 blocks covered

179 blocks covered

About to gather more info soon

[compact lava]

damn

thats a lot of blocks

[static totem]

Seems like my intel was right

[warped trout]

Yeah

Im gonna test 3 soon

[static totem]

Great

Let's see if it's 437 🫣

Well, I'm going to bed

[static totem]

See you two minutes after you wake up

[warped trout]

Cya

Today was an exception btw

Im wakin up at 8:30 tmrw

[chrome bough]

bump

[shy vapor]

<3

[shy vapor]

Boop

[still wind]

Bink

[tidal shale]

Blomp

[warped trout]

Bonk

[static totem]

Beep

[deep pulsar]

awesome ahh spell

[tidal shale]

fellow projecte + draconic evolution enjoyer, i see

[tidal shale]

but why would you destroy all these diamonds?

there are a lot of less expensive blocks with same durability

[deep pulsar]

it's okay

this is what an enderman farm gets you

i was just messing around anyways

already have a quarry for these diamonds

[tidal shale]

what the fuck is this

[tidal shale]

ender pearl is worth like 256 emc

you need a dozen for one diamond

[deep pulsar]

rftools dim

[deep pulsar]

that's not the point, enderman farms drops dimlets which can be used to make dimensions

pearls is 4 times that actually, still a pretty decent emc source

[tidal shale]

That is so silly

Imagine a custom dimension made out of red matter furnaces

[deep pulsar]

theres project ex in this pack but the power flowers are disabled (from ex), you have to rely on other things to generate emc end game

[deep pulsar]

p sure you can generate a dimension of molten infinity back in stoneblock 2

[tidal shale]

What is your pack?

[tidal shale]

Why'd you need it though
It has no emc or use

[deep pulsar]

project architect 2 but i added a bunch of qol and ars addons

[deep pulsar]

wdym...

one infinity ingot is 37 billion emc

one infinity ingot can be made from 144mb of molten infinity

now imagine a dimension full of molten infinity

pump out the molten infinity and cast them into ingots

[tidal shale]

What version is it?

[deep pulsar]

1.20.1

[tidal shale]

alr

@deep pulsar i wanted to install it and then looked that it's 300 mods

my pc finna be fried

this is worse than all the mods

[deep pulsar]

atm9 has nearly 440 mods tho

[tidal shale]

a modpack with 160 mods fried my pc to 2 fps

it had datapacks though

[deep pulsar]

well you could try atm9 tts which has all ars, DE and project e

however project e is gated (duh) after wither

or emc to the sky but that's 1.16.5

has ars but eh

[tidal shale]

can you please send me your version of the modpack?

i can't download it off curseforge for some reason

[deep pulsar]

eh

my version has even more mods tho

you sure?

[tidal shale]

yeah

addons shouldn't do that much

[deep pulsar]

you use prism?

or the curseforge launcher

[tidal shale]

curseeforge

[deep pulsar]

eh ill send you the zip, you can import it directly with prism (add instance > import > browse > pick the zip file), but you gotta figure it out yourself if you're using the curseforge launcher (cause idk how to use it)

check dms

[shy vapor]

Which version of wrath is this? This is cool

[deep pulsar]

this

can probably replace the amp at the end for another aoe lol

[shy vapor]

That's.. a lot of aoe lol

[deep pulsar]

this is so destructive lol

[static totem]

Nice

[still wind]

🏹 bumping the death spell again.

[tidal shale]

.

[static totem]

Bump

[static totem]

Got some free time. So ima finally test this

• 0 - 19
• 1 - 81
• 2 - 179
• 3 - 389
• 4 - 739
• 5 - 1189
• 6 - 1791

[desert laurel]

seems to be quadratic (logical as we are talking about the volume of a shpere)

[static totem]

Should be quadratical

[shy vapor]

I wonder if there are any wrath of god developments left in 1.18 elemental only

With a finite set and number of glyphs, there must be a "most optimal" option

Am I gonna have to find a new innovation or get another addon lol

[shy vapor]

Wait

Cold snap all is dust

It's... possible

@static totem a new challenge

[static totem]

Sadly not. Coldsnap relies on the new change that makes it summon icicle entities

Flare is included in this

This is the base spell
[prop_arc]

It uses 6 propagation glyphs

Summoning 294 decoys in the first volley

It should summon some 882 decoys, but I'm not sure if the dummies would cast it on themselves.

[prop_arc] may also be necessary for the dummies to be correctly summoned

[static totem]

Leaving [prop_self] out of All is Dust would result in 507 decoys

[static totem]

This is meant to be cast while in a hole

[static totem]

Instead of coldsnap, you could try other combos with the

For example: would replace .
Creating 8 "projectiles"

Applying this to the spell above gets one with 900 dummies instead of 882

[static totem]

@shy vapor Seems like we can't spam decoys in survival

#1258240326032818207 message

I suggest we build a 2 part min-maxed spell.
An initial minimal decoy summoner, followed by the maximum bang we can create

[shy vapor]

Wdym spam? The rate I did it made a pretty acceptable number of decoys because each shot that rained down made one at slightly different times and intervals, bypassing the limit

[shy vapor]

If it's launching the blocks, the orbit will have a harder time consistently hitting all projectiles

[static totem]

That's true. I didn't think about it

[static totem]

Well I wanted to use .

[static totem]

And remember when we searched the most optimal spell?

In your version the meta is , which is slow and consistent.
In newer versions, though, it's , which creates a lot more projectiles and all at the same time

[shy vapor]

In either scenario, tho, for the purposes of bursting decoys, you need them to spawn at slightly different times

That's why linger sensitive rune decoy works but linger sensitive decoy doesn't

I wonder if burst sensitive rune decoy would function

[shy vapor]

And worst case scenario, you leave one floating around you and forget about it and accidentally wrath of god your own base

[warped trout]

i think that my suggestion of implementing might have accidentally enabled horrors beyond your wildest dreams

[static totem]

Meh

Probably not

[warped trout]

its better than nothing

[static totem]

We'll never reach anything close to 1k unless the spell takes more than 50s to resolve

[static totem]

Yeah

[still wind]

Wait, works for you guys?

I wasn’t able to use it on multiplayer or my own world.

[shy vapor]

It works on multi-player in 1.18 at least

I got it to function

[static totem]

As a permanent or temporary rune? With sensitive or without?

is known for not wanting to work if not directly casted by the player

[still wind]

Without, temporary.

Hooked it up to a gatling chassis to cast.

[overhead]

[static totem]

But why do you require rune?

Seems to me as though it would work without it

[still wind]

Wanted to quickly create a minefield. Tried it without , and it almost crashed my computer.

[static totem]

With inventories, sensitive is needed to target the player's inventory

Maybe using sensitive generally sets the caster as the player and not the rune

[static totem]

As said before. can only be casted by the player

Therefore I suggest you try it with sensitive after rune

[still wind]

mkay

[desert laurel]

@static totem
$n\in\ [0;\infty)$ the number of amplify

$B_n\in\N$ the number of affected
with the default config, $B_n = 16+n*16

$E_n\in\N$ the number of affected entities :
with the default config, $E_n = 8+n*16$

should cover how [chain] works

[warped trout]

HUH

[static totem]

Okay...

[desert laurel]

i'll compile the latex notation rq

[static totem]

So for blocks it's 16 + 16 × amp
While for entities it's 8 + 16 × amp

[desert laurel]

yes

[static totem]

Oki

[shy vapor]

Wrath Math

[proven vine]

I'm late but this feels like the shadow clone jutsu XD

[solar heath]

i performed a mistake

[solar heath]

in a server with adam's ars plus, decided it was gonna be funny if i used domain instead of linger, and aoe3 instead of normal aoe. it was not a good idea

[shy vapor]

That is NOT a good idea

[solar heath]

i learnt very quickly that it was indeed not a very good idea

[chrome bough]

power flowers are funny because they are actually an awful way of generating emc

a warp portal based ender man farm relying on mostly vanilla mechanics will make astronomically more

is WAY cheaper to set up

only more technically intense

[deep pulsar]

im talking about ex's power flowers

[chrome bough]

if you have access to ex's power flowers you've taken the last bit of fun out of project E and are now just playing cookie clicker

same problem with botany pots, trivializing actually interesting mechanical puzzles with magic block slop with a "QOL" ribbon haphazardly slapped on it

[jagged sparrow]

the decoy version is goated for netherite mining

[shy vapor]

Wrath of God will never be patched and will never die

(Except for the fact you can do way better than it in any further version or with almost any other mods lol)

[chrome bough]

Wrath of God is an immortal proof of concept, even if it dies as a spell, it'll live on in the DNA of the spells that come after it

just like fire gatling and throngle

[desert laurel]

most spells these day use throngle or gatling as a base

[shy vapor]

<3

[royal heron]

I put AOE3 on linger and explosion, the results were amazing. Either my PC is laggy or the spell is nice, but explosions were still heard 3 minutes after I cast the spell. Here are screenshots of results and map

[shy vapor]

Farewell, world

[noble smelt]

Sounds are a weird thing, they are maybe queued when the game can't manage to play them all at once

[tidal shale]

that's pretty weak

try #1259700525767589950 with aoe3

i think it'll blast

[shy vapor]

Most people aren't playing with domain

This is an incredibly large blast that doesn't keep needlessly exploding in places it doesn't need to jn the same way as that nuke

[chrome bough]

most packs don't have ars plus or extras beyond maybe tmg

also talking down someone else's spell without offering any ideas to improve it within its intended scope (which wrath of God performs VERY well within its scope of base mod constraints) is poor manners at best

[shy vapor]

Put this spell on reactive armor if you want to have a Bad Time

[fluid bobcat]

definitely.

[elfin heath]

telepor

[shy vapor]

It's immensely funny with blink yes

[elfin heath]

oh wait thats a good idea

i was just setting a tp to the main message

[modest cairn]

damn

[shy vapor]

OHH

Yeah with blink you just flash around everywhere

It's pseudo-invincibility because no one can hit you

[elfin heath]

its just ur average game ultimate

you randomly groundpound everywhere causing alot of chaos

aka average smash bros cutscene final smash

[shy vapor]

Literally

Honestly, while lightning is the coolest looking variant, conjure water is my favorite

You get to make the most hideous mess

[elfin heath]

still has nothing on apoth

[elfin heath]

lightning is a suicide tool tbh...

[shy vapor]

It's... not meant to

[shy vapor]

Just stand far away?

[elfin heath]

can confirm

its more funny than anything

[elfin heath]

no

too much effort

i need to aim it straight at my feet!!!

[shy vapor]

I mean, it's meant to be a minecraft physics demonstration tbh

[elfin heath]

its not physics
its honestly just chaos

[shy vapor]

It is physics

The explosions launch the projectiles that arc back down

You could predict its pattern mathematically if you had all the variables

[elfin heath]

nuh uh!!

[shy vapor]

I'm not doing this

[warped trout]

[shy vapor]

You can't burst big enough to cover the whole teleportation area

[still wind]

Domain, Greater AOE, AOE3

[shy vapor]

This also defeats the original point of the spell but ok

[chrome bough]

bringing up ars+ and other addons in a spell made specifically to not need anything other than elemental

[still wind]

Nein, nein.

It’s for counteracting the teleportation action.

Not for the spell itself.

Wait, idea.

Is only on 1192, but idea.

[static totem]

Honestly. Linger would be best

If you're teleporting randomly within a set area, then there is a (9 × [projectile num.] ÷ area) probability of landing within the linger zone.

[warped trout]

Is just lightning spam?

[shy vapor]

Why is there another homing propagation

And more importantly, why is this on wrath of god

[still wind]

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1287561261495619717 I'll remove the msg from here now.

[shy vapor]

New Wrath of God tech- how is the spell affected if you cast it suspended in the air with [propagate_arc] ?

It'll be less raw explosive power certainly

As you need more glyphs for that start

But it might be worth not having projectiles collide with the ground?

Wait, they'll just fall

Hm

This might not work lol

You'd want an explosion after the linger but before the arc, wouldn't you

Imagine going above someone and dropping this on them tho

Yeah, this is just a glorified carpet bomb in this state

If you could conjure a platform in the same spell it might function? Get an initial aerial explosion?

Idk, I'll probably test later

[static totem]

Dampen on linger

[shy vapor]

What about it

[static totem]

Does the same as your mage light

[shy vapor]

For the same number of glyphs

[static totem]

True

[shy vapor]

It's cool that it doesn't leave the light behind tho

[static totem]

But now you don't have a random magelight over a giant crater

[shy vapor]

I'm not sure I was able to do that when I was testing it, not sure dampen linger existed back then

I know interact sensitive doesn't :(

[static totem]

Oh. True

[warped trout]

It didn't

You've tried before

[shy vapor]

Thanks lava

[chrome bough]

plus if you cast the magelight with one spell it leaves you with more space in the main spell

actually, does it?

+

vs

yeah second spell gets 1 more glyph

at the cost of needing to be set up

but if you have it bound to a quick cast slot it doesn't matter that much

can augment the magelight with duration down to make it burn out

quick cast slots are underrated tbh

[shy vapor]

Oh I always do it as one spell lol

[chrome bough]

oh you totally can it just really cramps the spell that linger propagates

[shy vapor]

Real

[tight thunder]

sorry, this is a bit late I know, but how do you get that much mana to cast that

I have full archmage clothes with mana regen and boost 3 on every piece, 2 rings of greater discount and an amulet of mana regen

[desert laurel]

learn all glyphs

should give quite the boost

and if even this isn’t enough, you might need to consider adding #1189292470631141376 to your instance

[tight thunder]

oh apparently I had to unlock literally just one glyph

and it worked, thank you

[desert laurel]

you’re welcome

[elfin heath]

teleport to top

[verbal thorn]

nice spell

[verbal thorn]

i like it

[shy vapor]

Pf I'm glad

[verbal thorn]

im gonna try and make it rn

im just missing a dragon's breath for lingering and than im pretty much done

ill only be missing like 2 more spells after lingering

[elfin heath]

glyphs*

oh and that reminds me

each glyph gives 15 mana

so maxing everything actually has a point

[verbal thorn]

wait what it does that?

nice

[shy vapor]

The best way to boost mana is to learn them all

[verbal thorn]

ok nice

[shy vapor]

Enchantments and robes and stuff are more icing on the cake

[verbal thorn]

im making wrath of god rn

im just missing 1 heart of the sea

which ill go get rq

[shy vapor]

That's only if you want lightning

[verbal thorn]

i want the whole wrath

[shy vapor]

Based

It's the flashiest and most fun way

[elfin heath]

but lightning is kinda just suicide if you are near it

im not joking

[verbal thorn]

oh ok

[elfin heath]

dont put it on reactive armor like i did

[verbal thorn]

than ill try with and without it

[shy vapor]

If you shoot it not on top of you, you'll be fine

[verbal thorn]

should i do it

[shy vapor]

No

[elfin heath]

well

[verbal thorn]

oh oof

[elfin heath]

id reccomend doing the dampen variant if you do

[verbal thorn]

i wanted to do something stupid as hell for once

[elfin heath]

it is really funny though

gets hit once

[verbal thorn]

lol

[elfin heath]

explosions everywhere

with lightning its even self sustaining

[verbal thorn]

my favorite type of death

[elfin heath]

since the lightning sets you on fire

causing it to proc again

and again

until you run out of mana

[verbal thorn]

hell yea

best way to kill everyone in range

[elfin heath]

(it has nothing on mekasuits/apoth)

[verbal thorn]

oh damnit

still fun tho

[still wind]

⚡

[verbal thorn]

whats this?

[elfin heath]

it just

strikes everyone nearby with lightning and discharges

im pretty sure

[verbal thorn]

it has been made

time to test it

[elfin heath]

test it away from any builds

[verbal thorn]

ill test it in a claimed area

so nothing will explode

[elfin heath]

ok

dont put any entities near it

[verbal thorn]

omg

so cool

now how do i make it into meteor shower instead?

[elfin heath]

replace lightning with amp

[verbal thorn]

ok

will do

[elfin heath]

to make it non detructive

use dampen

[still wind]

Let’s see the fireworks.

[verbal thorn]

it has been made a second time

i have the lightning and meteor shower

damn thats cool

me rn(its custom model mod)

i just found a model

[elfin heath]

luigi stop nuking earth its not worth it

[verbal thorn]

its worth it

ITS SO FUCKING WORTH IT

add me as friend rq

imma show u the destructiveness and u also seem nice

should i nuke a village?

[still wind]

Also, if you preferred the lightning, https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1287561261495619717

[verbal thorn]

i liked both

[still wind]

Kills most mobs very effectively.

[verbal thorn]

ALOT

mistake friend me rq i wanna show u something

imma put this enchant on my bow

the explosion one not lightning

i nuked the village

lol

so fun

[verbal thorn]

mistake how to check how much mana i currently have?

[still wind]

Ars Instrumentum

The numeric mana charm.

[verbal thorn]

ok

ty

[shy vapor]

Dampen will not produce the desired effect

It will be non-destructive, but the projectiles don't launch in the same way

[elfin heath]

still is cool tho

and has a 0.01% chance of hitting still

[zenith bay]

Hey, how do you get those yellow hearts?

[royal heron]

Mod called Overflowing bars

I think I swapped it for Colorful hearts recently

[zenith bay]

thank you

[tidal shale]

nice

[graceful glade]

what would be best to swap explosion for if i dont want to blow up loot? or blow up my house on accident lol?

[shy vapor]

Friend, if you don't want to blow up loot, you're in the wrong place

[graceful glade]

fair enough lmao

[shy vapor]

The spell kind of half functions if you dampen the explosion

But not really

[graceful glade]

alright

[shy vapor]

That prevents block destruction

[graceful glade]

ok

[shy vapor]

But you're better off with another spell frankly if explosion's not the goal

[graceful glade]

okay, cheers

[noble smelt]

Pickup to save loot

But may need AOE on it if the explosion is big

[graceful glade]

well yeah, but im not gonna walk into an active explosion

lol

[noble smelt]

I mean

[graceful glade]

oh shoot yh

thanks

[static totem]

What about on explosion?
I vaguely remember it stopping the explosions from deleting items

[ashen gorge]

That’s for broken blocks

[static totem]

Ah

[civic oasis]

Visually, I'd say this fits "Wrath of God"

As a sidenote, in testing, I've found that seems more effective than , if the goal is widespread destruction. It doesn't necessarily have more firepower, but tends to spread the explosion further on an open surface, from my observations

[jolly vine]

If your doing though works well

[civic oasis]

Agreed. But's that's more on the mechanics of lightning

[jolly vine]

I made a spell I lovingly called "DIVINE SMITE!" with it

[jolly vine]

True

[civic oasis]

I too, have a lingering lightning attack with max duration

[jolly vine]

And just a little bit of amplify : D

[civic oasis]

Though if you really wanna kill things, I suggest wall, propagate homing

[jolly vine]

Sending it against the Chimera is funny though

[civic oasis]

That, it is.

[jolly vine]

Just the constant barrage of lightning strikes! XD

[civic oasis]

If you do it with burst, you might crash your game, unfortunately.