The Throngle Spell

[forest nimbus]

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[crimson valve]

👁️

[forest nimbus]

Oops worry about the ping, forgot to turn it off

Mb

Lol

[crimson valve]

alrighty

[deep mauve]

couldn't you use instead of wall linger or burst ?

[analog oriole]

what do you mean?

[slow lake]

Instead of wall -> linger, burst

[slow lake]

Linger could work, but could not work
Burst will not work

[next phoenix]

Cool

[pseudo inlet]

yes

[void plaza]

why is your mana blue?

[desert crypt]

a mod overriding the texture

[tranquil canopy]

hi, bye

i got full mana boost 3 btw 😭

i also got amulet and ring of discount.

ok so i need armor 😭 😭

greater discount ring, amulet of mana boost, full tier 2 armor and still not enough max mana 💀 heck is that

[jovial glacier]

what armor is it tho

[tranquil canopy]

the best one

[jovial glacier]

"the best one"

that's subjective

[tranquil canopy]

best = armor points

[tranquil canopy]

battlemage’s

[jovial glacier]

...

[lunar crag]

@tranquil canopy

How do I get more mana?

• Learn all the glyphs you can. By default each glyph gives you 15 mana and 0.33 mana regen.
• Enchant everything with Mana Boost and Mana Regen. Each level of Mana Boost will give you 25 mana. Each level of Mana Regen will give you 2 mana per second.
• Use an Amulet of Mana Boost or Amulet of Mana Regen. These provide 50 mana, and 3 mana regen respectively.
• Craft two Rings of Greater Discount, each of these reduce your spell cost by 20 mana.
• Upgrade your Spell Book to the highest tier you can. Each book tier grants you 50 mana and 1 mana regen.
• Put a Magic Capacity thread in the highest level slot that you can. This increases your max mana by 10% per level.

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @weary cradle

[solid scaffold]

you know you play as mage right? idk why armor point really matter...

[tranquil canopy]

mana

cause of

expensive spells

[tranquil canopy]

thx

[cobalt minnow]

er

threads

are

WAY better

than youd expect

[slow lake]

Mana doesn't relate to armor.
Better Tier armor does.
And better Tier of mana capacity thread does as well.

[tranquil canopy]

oki

[daring aspen]

Lmao. He sure got throngled

[unreal jasper]

I just killed myself and my items with this ;-;

[cosmic tapir]

that's why you read the spell before casting it

here try this:

[unreal jasper]

Are you trying to make me blow myself up?

Clever

[cosmic tapir]

cogrontlatinnous you read the spell before casting it

[slow lake]

Smh I read that how it was supposed to be read 😂

[dense willow]

🤔 maybe its called throngle... cause it throngs your mana reserves?

[indigo isle]

Hey does anyone know if shock pendant removes damage from this spell?

[slow lake]

What mod? What does it do?

[pseudo inlet]

artifacts

it seems to remove damage done by lightning

[indigo isle]

Yes ^^

I will test it later someone mentioned it in an old thread and I thought it would be aura to use it with that

[pseudo inlet]

im also checking the code.
ok i think it will use the minecraft damage type

[vague parrot]

make that projectile instead, boom. expldoe

[old berry]

How dos this work why does the wall spawn so many orbits so quickly

The orbit is activated by the flying block entity im guessing and then it spawns a wall and the wall getting triggered by what exactly

The lightning?

Does the wall spawn close enough to the target to be activated by it

[cobalt minnow]

iirc

the wall has sensitive

which means it procs on the air blocks

but yeah the CS projectiles activate the orbist

[old berry]

But the original spell doesnt have the sensitive modifier

So shouldn’t it onky target entities

[cobalt minnow]

oh wait now i gotta relook at it i thought it did

tbh idk

might be coldsnaps again

[old berry]

But I saw the ice blocks fly away

How is the wall getting triggered by them if they gone

Atleast mine did

The ones in the vid keep spawning

[jovial glacier]

cold snap does it initially and i think the orbits can trigger wall too

[old berry]

Yea but isn’t there only one set of orbits on the entity

Once the cold snap flying ice is gone and all 3 orbits around the entity are gone what is triggering the wall then

Nvm it’s not even that it lasts long the wall just spawns a crap ton of orbits in one trigger

But shouldnt it only spawn orbit around the entity that triggered it not the sky around it

Is this a bug with wall

[analog oriole]

Wall.spawns orbits on any valid entity intersecting it

[slow lake]

Took me a while.
But here is Top Message
#1227810777059033129 message

[slow lake]

.
The spell basically uses the icicles to trigger the orbits, spawning 3 walls.

But, either the left-over orbits or the same icicles trigger the walls, spawning orbits on them.

But remember that this isn't a perfect reaction. The entity inside and the icicles trigger the orbits.
So, if a chain of orbits is created, it is often severed, leaving lone orbits in the sky

[old berry]

Ok so the initial orbits get triggered by the cold snap ice entities which spawns the walls at the location the orbits weretriggered and the walls are triggered by either the other cold snap ice entities or the target which spawns orbits I know that but what I don’t understand is why the wall getting triggered to spawn orbits spawns so many orbits cause shouldn’t it only spawn orbits around the existing entities not like everywhere in the sky and stuff and when the ice entities disappear the orbits should be going away too but they just stay there for some reason and also how did he get so many ice spawning from a single cold snap

[slow lake]

Orbits count as entities. So the walls cast orbit on them, creating long chains of orbit.

You get floating orbits when their parent (block or entity they were cast on) disappears. Which happens constantly with the target and the icicles.

And orbits without parents don't disappear until 1 or 2 minutes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old berry]

Ohhhh that explains it

Is that intended

Like the orbits staying even afyer the parent disappears

[analog oriole]

orbits only use their parents to recalculate their orbital path - if there is no parent, it is never recalculated

but it doesn't need the parent to persist

so a parentless orbit will continue orbiting its parents last known location

actually someone factcheck me on that im pretty sure thats how it works

[old berry]

Damn thats kinda like real life

[old berry]

What if parent tp

Wait so if I do wall or burst sensitive orbit would that spawn a lot of orbits

Wait if a orbit is surrounding a block and then you launch the block

Does the orbit stay around the blcok or no

[analog oriole]

orbits should follow

but i've never tested it specifically

[old berry]

Ok

[analog oriole]

not sure but I don't think so, since the block entity is not the same as a block

[old berry]

Damn orbits are a lot more flexible than I thought

[analog oriole]

a launched block becomes a "new" entity

[old berry]

Yea Ik that’s why I asked cause I was wondering if the creator of those glyphs considered that

[analog oriole]

a lot of glyph interaction tech is emergent

[old berry]

Whats emergent

[analog oriole]

very infrequently are technical applications of propagators actually built in intentionally

[analog oriole]

a product of interaction between systems not explicitly designed/intended by the systems creators

[old berry]

Lets Go

Thats what I likes

[old berry]

Oh ok thanks

[slow lake]

A tonne. But not as much as you think.
wall, linger and burst sensitive only trigger on blocks, not entities
So you'll still have many orbits. But the amount won't grow exponentially

[old berry]

Wait so does effects like linger or wall not have a delay for when they cast something when a new target enters into their zone

[slow lake]

Actually, I don't know if they check for targets every second, or if they trigger immediately on any new target, but apply a 1 second timer for the next trigger

[old berry]

Wait then why does the orbits spawn so fast

I did a projectile wall orbit thing and when I walked in the wall and there was instantly like 30 orbits around me

[slow lake]

So that means it's the second: it has a cooldown per entity

[old berry]

So every new entity that enters the wall or linger will instantly trigger it right

[analog oriole]

nope

wall and linger cast at fixed time intervals through their lifetime

iirc its once per second for 5 seconds at base

[old berry]

Wait then how does the wall spawn so many orbits at once in under a second when I walk in it

[analog oriole]

take a video and send?

[old berry]

Check out my video! #MinecraftJava | Captured by #Outplayed
https://outplayed.tv/minecraft-java/NZKdJx

Oh ya and for some reason there are orbits lingering around in the air not following anything even though I think it should be following one of the orbits around me since they should’ve been spawned around an orbit that was around me or spawned from orbits around me

[analog oriole]

heads up you can use nvidia overlay to screen record

[analog oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/kot-cat-uh-huh-reakcja-gif-6504404546294738355

can you repost the exact spell

[old berry]

My computer nvidia

[old berry]

Wdym?

I think I have it in the video

It’s projectile wall orbit break

I’m on 1.20 if that helps

[slow lake]

Oh btw

As far as I remember from trying to break the mod, a long time ago
There is an activation limit for wall of about 100 triggers

[old berry]

Damn

Why only 100

Could they have possibly
Removed the limit

[solid scaffold]

To make it even more lag than now?

[pseudo inlet]

There's a very good reason for that...

[slow lake]

If anyone wanna test:
Try casting or
And then type /kill @e[type=ars_nouveau:orbit] to see how many are summoned

[old berry]

How many did you kill when you did that

[slow lake]

A long time ago, like 300

[old berry]

Oh ok

Wait so just making sure walls and lingers trigger immediately on any new target right

What are the glyphs with the blue outlines called

[pseudo inlet]

effects

[spring apex]

🔥

[velvet basin]

any threads make this stronger?

[pseudo inlet]

why would you need it to be stronger?

shocking

thread of shocking would work as its lightning

[spark grotto]

So uh, do the orbs eventually go away? I was curious and tried this spell and now I can't go to my main base because I get 1 fps lmao

ah nvm. I see the post above about killing the orbits

833 entities. jesus.

[karmic jacinth]

10/10 would kill my PC again👍
Jokes aside i love the spell, sadly its a bit to powerful for my pc to handle.

[cobalt minnow]

did you do it with or without block shapers

[wooden roost]

is there an updated glyph combo or spell list? on allthemods 10

[pseudo inlet]

HAHAHA
no but to be fair this isnt the best spell out ther, just the funnyest

[wooden roost]

any other recomended ones?

[pseudo inlet]

Seeing as you are on atm 10 https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1340850874674839592 would work out for you

[wooden roost]

anything that wont crasha server? lol

[pseudo inlet]

Basically just find a glyph combo that works for you and then look to other mods to balloon it to silly levels

[vital forge]

I slappd ignite+flare onto the end

[plain portal]

From what I've read, this spell works by making orbits hit the ice from Cold Snap and spawn more orbits?

[pseudo inlet]

Yep!

[cobalt pelican]

tried this, crashed my entire server

[pseudo inlet]

Correct

[jovial glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[leaden violet]

This should never be archived, I wonder if we can make it more server friendly

We should also pin the OG message and whatever the important developments are because I don't wanna scroll up the entire chat to get to the OG spell

[slow lake]

Server friendly... unlikely

[slow lake]

The admins can, or the thread author "majorasyamask"

[cobalt minnow]

1 sec

thisll work for a bit

[leaden violet]

Thanks!

[cobalt minnow]

pc gaming

[leaden violet]

But probably not impossible, the thing that causes the lag is most likely the recursion? We can probably find a more efficient engine

[leaden violet]

Hell yeah!

[cobalt minnow]

we just

get a free up arrow

[leaden violet]

Rah, mobile doesn't

[cobalt minnow]

ye its evil

[leaden violet]

What is the second orbit doing? Just more lightning? Or is it part of the engine?

[cobalt minnow]

well

the first orbit

spapwns 3 walls

then the 2nd

spawns 3 lightning and snaring orbits

per target of wall

prob to ake it lessl ikely to miss

my brain fried mid sentence

so i might be explaining wrong

[leaden violet]

That's what I am thinking it's doing. Just resting the offset the first orbit causes.

[slow lake]

Most of the lag comes from the visuals, the orbits and the coldsnap

.
Throngle works by summoning ice blocks to trigger the 3 orbits (summoning 3 walls) and also triggering the walls
Once the walls have been triggered, they'll summon orbits, which also trigger the walls, summoning more orbits...

[leaden violet]

yeah, but server side, all it sees are orbits and coldsnaps, because that is what creates the entities right?

[desert crypt]

Minecraft is unable to handle many entities existing at once

Just think of the lag caused by farms only because an overflow mechanism for dropped items was not added

Just the zombies wandering the world, even underground, often end up with almost a 10% tax on tps

[leaden violet]

thats fair. I wonder if there is a way we could expire the spell

after a time

honestly been too obsesed with 1.16 to focus on this nearly as much as I want to

[slow lake]

You mean killing the orbits before they cause too much lag?

[desert crypt]

[leaden violet]

Is there room for a few of those because that feels like a good bet

[leaden violet]

Yeah, with it's insane recursion none of em need to last long, just long enough to cast the following spells and start the cycle again

We could add two duration downs. I will test that later, currently don't have a 1.21 creative test world to test in

[cobalt minnow]

propogation sounds better than rercursion imo

[fathom raven]

Has this (server-safe, lower-lag, low-mana, less epic) variation on throngle been talk about already? x2[discharge]. Unlike throngle, it requires both and also chilling thread. Does about 350-450 damage (full air gear w/threads) or 150-200 (naked except lvl1 chilling thread and ).

EDIT: removing and adding another to discharge is probably better. More damage, less lag

[viral night]

Looks interesting, I’ll test it later

[slow lake]

is very laggy.
If you're just using it to propagate off of , I recommend replacing it with

It would target more enemies, tho at the price of being instantaneous, so a likely damage reduction caused by IFrames

Smth like ...
Or for more range but less propagations

[fathom raven]

True, I guess I just meant that it's less laggy than throngle due to fewer orbits

The version definitely is much lower lag, but it's also significantly less damage, significantly more mana, and even less epic of a lightning display

doesn't seem all that different from just , unless I set it up wrong

[cobalt minnow]

Coldsbap burst bursts once per coldsnap

Burst sensitive targets all blocks in its radius (coldsnap projectiles are entities)

[fathom raven]

My bad, I meant to say I know the difference, just that the end effect is pretty similar

[cobalt minnow]

Oh

Yea coldsnap burst targets the target a bit more

[fathom raven]

yeah, in both versions it's a single burst of lightning called down on a medium-large area. Thanks to iframes it's the same damage. But with you don't get to see burning ice which is a fun effect

[rough orchid]

I do not know whether I should be impressed, concerned, or both.

[fathom raven]

Impressed if in single player, both impressed & concerned about lag if multiplayer

[pseudo inlet]

Frfr

[queen vigil]

How often does this destroy mob drops?

[violet hearth]

A ton of lightning ? Very strong possibility

[fathom raven]

if you have ars elemental, drops aren't destroyed (at least in 1.21, can't promise <=1.20)

[queen vigil]

no ars elemental sadly; I'll give this a try anyways for damage then possibly tweak that

[fathom raven]

Beware using this spell on a server, it's a lagger. And definitely don't have a block shaping focus equipped

[queen vigil]

ok yeah I'm on a server so I'll probably use it only once when nobody else is on

[dapper path]

DON'T USE THIS WITH BLOCKSHAPER FOCUS

[pseudo inlet]

we know

[dapper path]

fucking crashed the entire server bro 😭

[violet hearth]

Get better Server

Xddd

[pseudo inlet]

thats what happens

[jovial glacier]

you play with the bull, you get the horns

[void plaza]

Thats the point

Why kill the players when you can skip that step and kill the server itself

[obtuse owl]

you know, that makes more sense now

i thought it WAS with shaper focus

[heady hound]

I've used this on a server once when someone sic'd a warden on me
10/10 crashed the server instantly, they learned their lesson

[smoky magnet]

i just did this mistake and almost crashed 💀 💀

[wooden bison]

Is there a way to do the original spell without tier 3 spell as in orbit.

[slow lake]

Nope

[gloomy lotus]

What would be the strongest variant of the throngle? I’m using the base one shown in the original message with 2 extent time and it’s pretty good but I need more power

[fathom raven]

Throngle mostly is about 2 things: flash and lag

It's very, very flashy

[gloomy lotus]

Well there is a guy on my server that has a throngle capable of crashing the server

I NEED that power

[slow lake]

[gloomy lotus]

What spell focus is that

I forgot

That’s the block one right

That people say not to use

@grand charm I know your power

I’m leading

[jovial glacier]

no you do not

[gloomy lotus]

Wdym

[jovial glacier]

how is crashing the server a good thing

[gloomy lotus]

When nearly everyone can one shot each other

I think it is

Using fists mind you

[jovial glacier]

...

Cisco's?

[gloomy lotus]

Hold please

[gloomy lotus]

Don’t think so

Probably not

[grand charm]

Kitchen sink modpack

[pulsar urchin]

@everyone how to play

[cobalt minnow]

Basically

First you need to have 15 viruses on ur of

Pc

Then you need to throw your firstborn child into a volcano while singing story of undertale

While doing the Gangnam style

Then you need to go to blooket.com and buy the hidden cigarette blook part

And sell all of your information to Jerry from undertale

[swift mantle]

🔥🔥🔥

[cobalt minnow]

Then you can play

[gloomy lotus]

You forgot doing the special salute

[solid scaffold]

am suprise that bot not catch that idiot kid

[pseudo inlet]

He's to stupid to die

[cobalt minnow]

true, though @everyone is evil

and we should not be saying @everyone

which is why @everyone is usually executed

[slow lake]

Yeah but @everyone is blocked so @everyone is not notified

[pseudo inlet]

and its a good thing for @everyone that the bot isnt checking for @everyones
messages containing @everyone
so therefore @everyone can keep @everyoneing

saying @everyonelike that puts the fear of GOD (admin) in me

[deft ibex]

Thank god @everyone DOESNT @everyone because if @everyone @everyone then @everyone would be mad that @everyone @everyone witch would be annoying because @everyone could abuse @everyone and then @everyone

But thank god @everyone DOESNT @everyone

[vital forge]

[cobalt minnow]

I assumed source librarian still executes @everyone outside of forums, but forums are weird so its harder for a bot to see @everyone or something so @everyone messages still dont get killed, even if the intention is to ping @everyone

[vital forge]

what about @noone

[violet hearth]

[deft ibex]

@here

[deft ibex]

Same with @here

[gloomy lotus]

Jesus people are rude here

I can’t make jokes

Or ask questions

Ars is an ass community

Also the gate keeping

[solid scaffold]

You do realize me and mojo talk bout the one who do @ everyone first most right?

-# well maybe Mojo talk bout master dummy:p

[pseudo inlet]

nono im talking about masterful
hes a friend
i am genuinely sorry for any miscommunication I might have caused

[pseudo inlet]

in this case the throngle is more of a fluff spell than A damage spell. its infamous for crashing spesifically online servers and- if im being honest- its damage is ass for the lag it gives unless you dont have any iframes in the first place. in other words literally anything is better than this spell

ah i think he left

[solid scaffold]

yes yes he is

waiting for a reddit post saying, "Ars discord ppls are ruuudddee" now

[pseudo inlet]

"is" is present tense

[solid scaffold]

me no english

[pseudo inlet]

send me that when it happens

[jovial glacier]

guy got mad in harm cannon thread and left the server already

[solid scaffold]

man I don't get ppls like that, why not just go with the jk rather than think everyone in the world hating them

[pseudo inlet]

ah

[cosmic tapir]

wrong which

[cobalt minnow]

No we are canonically worst enemies and we want each other dead
-Shakespeare if he was good or smth idk

[plush kettle]

wait that kid had more than one meltdown?

[jovial glacier]

yup

[plush kettle]

Incredible.

[kindred schooner]

if you have ars plus, change lighting to :spark::discharge::divine smite:

[kind pendant]

any way to make it ignore the caster? I keep accidentally walking into them.

[cosmic tapir]

that's the funny part, you can't

[heady hound]

simple answer is "no"
long answer is "why are you walking into the Field of Throngling"

[kind pendant]

Unfortunately its not by choice sometimes. Also on our server the player collateral damage rate was so high that The Throngle Spell got put on a "war crimes" list

[solid scaffold]

Am more surprised that server survived the spell

[pseudo inlet]

and that it was the damage to the players that put it on the war crimes list

[solid scaffold]

Must be pretty beefy server

[cosmic tapir]

WAR CRIME LIST? YOU CAN COMMIT WAR CRIMES ON THE SERVER? may i join?

[pseudo inlet]

dont accept him
he wants to make the genevea conventions a checklist

[solid scaffold]

nah he gonna add couple more into the list :p

[cosmic tapir]

wait it's not?

[atomic prism]

pro tip: do NOT use throngle many times

[solid scaffold]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bbcamerica-doctor-who-bbc-america-legend-of-the-sea-devils-7YgYjiHcBoTnfQFGM6

[atomic prism]

yeah, i wasnt thinking good there

i was fighting matt from ars plus and just spammed throngle

[versed pebble]

I love you holy i could kiss you

this is AWESOME

[crimson valve]

Thanks, just make sure you don't use it several times

[cosmic tapir]

i think it's actually better when you do

[versed pebble]

dude if you get any more spells like this PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DM me or show me i dont care

[solid scaffold]

"fastest way to get blacklist on server :D"

[crimson valve]

Depends on your goal
If you want to kill something, use it once
If you want to kill a server, use it more than once

[versed pebble]

LOLLL

[cosmic tapir]

spell so strong it kills the server owner irl by exploding their pc

[versed pebble]

i have a server with friends and the stongest armor is ignitium from cactyclysm but um i cant use it cause we have classes

and only two people can

but this this spell

"smacks lips"

they will never see it coming'

[solid scaffold]

ngl that armor is not that strong by itself. what mods you got in pack?

or what pack

[versed pebble]

well its a custom one some people made thats a smaller server but theres quite a few simply swords cact irons deeper and darker rbg class thng occultism qliphoth born in chaos BoMD create

and more

but the ones i listed are ones we got to pick and than draw to see who got what

i got ars and wizards rpg and theres only two people with the same one

it just so happens theres this kid who loves breaking rules and knows crap from cactyclism that does 1200 damage

[sweet vale]

Slight problem tho, if they have ender pearls they can just tp outta the spell

[sweet vale]

.

Or just something to tp them outta it

Try imbuing them with enderference or smth

[sweet vale]

Wait actually I might be wrong, Does the ice blocks have collision?

Chorus fruits def would do the trick(assuming they survive)

[versed pebble]

sorry to say i dont think they would figure that out

[sweet vale]

If yall have relics and they have a chorus totem, this just ain’t killing em

[versed pebble]

intil i use it more

[sweet vale]

Snare has to be the most evil part of this spell

[versed pebble]

nope we dont have relics

[sweet vale]

Matter of fact snare is prob the most obnoxious spell like ever

[sweet vale]

W

Does lightning destroy items?

[versed pebble]

how the heck does this spell not affect the ender dragon?

and no

[sweet vale]

Ender dragon has magic dmg immunity

🥹

[versed pebble]

...

[sweet vale]

They’re also immune to effects so snare won’t keep them in the damage area

[versed pebble]

actaully the freeze one did

[sweet vale]

Fr?

Huh

Maybe it doesn’t count as an effect

The dragon is only immune to potions, status, and projectiles while perched.

Huh

The more you learn

[sweet vale]

Didn’t know it was only perched state

[versed pebble]

well hex and harm works on it

[sweet vale]

Fr?

[versed pebble]

6yeh

[sweet vale]

Maybe it’s cuz I was playing on an older version

Or I just misremembered

Sorry for spreading misinformation

[versed pebble]

nah your good

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

i just dicovered another spell

[sweet vale]

?

[versed pebble]

WT i just found out i do have relics in Relics RPG

[versed pebble]

lemme right it out gimme sec

[sweet vale]

https://tenor.com/view/sonion-gif-4370030053602687111

[versed pebble]

holy

did i5t on the test dummy

500

dps

[sweet vale]

With which spell?

[versed pebble]

the one i made

[sweet vale]

Lowkey curious now

[sweet vale]

Ooo send image pls

Or make it with emojis

[versed pebble]

and its even better than throngle XD

ITS WAY WAY BETTER

HOLY

[sweet vale]

What is hex doing there 😭, it should only be effected by potion effects

[sage adder]

Speaking of. What does propagation actually do? I've been trying to figure that out

[sweet vale]

Like create another projectile

For example if you have [prop_homing]

[versed pebble]

im gate keepin this

[sage adder]

So i am guessing what is happening is

[sweet vale]

After the projectile hits a wall or player

It creates a burst around it

[sage adder]

The first projectile hits. Does a burst. Then creates a homing projectile that does nothing?

[sweet vale]

Yes

Like multiple tho

Because of sensitive

[sage adder]

Unfortunately I don't have T3 yet to visualize this. Spells are kinda limited in T2

[sweet vale]

Can you send in DMs?

[versed pebble]

do i have toooo

[sweet vale]

Oof

[versed pebble]

i dont want this gettin out so its patched

[sweet vale]

It would be nice

I ain’t gonna report it

[versed pebble]

you gonna share it?

[sweet vale]

No?

Oh, it was an intended feature

😭

[sage adder]

Eh?

[sweet vale]

Oh yeah did you figure out what propergate does?

[sage adder]

Still at work. But I think I get the gist of it?

Propagate basically allows using another casting rule in the middle of a spell.

If I am understanding correctly, mind I am still new and working through ATM10 with ars...

Burst applies the spell effect in a volume but doesn't do anything on its own.

Sensitive means that the burst is targeting blocks... But not sure what it is doing here.

Propagate homing then acts as the casting glyph in each block within the sphere. Creating a homing projectile. And will carry the rest of the spell after?

[sage adder]

Did I get that right?

[sweet vale]

Yeah basically

[sage adder]

So what is the sensitive doing to the burst?

[slow lake]

Without sensitive the burst would only propagate off of each entity in range.
But with sensitive, it'll propagate on every block in the sphere, even air

[slow lake]

So this spell summons as many homing projectiles as there are blocks in the bursts volume

Think of propagating as copying the rest of the spell onto another target / spell form

-# like how allows propagating onto created / moved blocks

Some methods create multiple preparations at once, thereby duplicating the spell multiple times

-# like how , and propagate onto multiple entities or blocks

[sage adder]

Ah.

So... Thats how people make huge scrungling spells.

[slow lake]

Yep

The basic "gatling" spells just use [prop.homing] to cast a shit tonne of projectiles

[minor basalt]

spam crafting table glyph

[sweet vale]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking of

I feel like using ender chests would be better tho ngl

Because it risks them dropping their stuff from inside

I’m making something like that rn actually

Well theory crafting

Oh wait

[sweet vale]

@fallow harbor

Physiological violence

[minor basalt]

AND ?

[sweet vale]

Mmmm I suppose..

maybe have a delay inbetween

So if they close one they have close another?

I mostly wanted ender chests so they can accidentally drop something important from there

But crafting table also makes them drop something from their inventory..

[slow lake]

Independent of the target of the form, and I believe also always open for the caster

[sweet vale]

What I was doing was using runes ngl

[sweet vale]

Yeah

I was thinking about using runes so that they could get affected by it

I don’t have friends on rn so I can’t test it

But it feels like it would work

[slow lake]

There is some addon that adds a "switch targets" glyph

That works

[sweet vale]

Yeah, but I feel like at that rate, just make them drop all their stuff

[slow lake]

If your runes idea works

[sweet vale]

Oh fr?

That’s sweet

[slow lake]

Nono

Just saying

If it works, use burst

[sweet vale]

Yep something like that, but it would affect you

I was thinking something like

[slow lake]

Only if you're dumb enough to be in range

[sweet vale]

Oh true..

[slow lake]

You can still use filters

[sweet vale]

I was thinking more proj homing or something

[sweet vale]

OH YEAH

I forgot that existed

I was thinking about using star burst

So that it would be more likely for it to hit them with atleast one proj

[slow lake]

Homing will use you as the caster and make You craft

[sweet vale]

Homing+rune afterwords no?

[slow lake]

Oh that

Dunno if you can place runes inside people

[minor basalt]

put [Not self] after (or before it)

[slow lake]

I'm pretty sure minecraft doesn't allow that

[sweet vale]

Mmm hmm

Yeah I was just boutta say smth about that

Use propergate underfoot then overhead

I think that should work

[cobalt minnow]

It’s only a bit laggy

[slow lake]

Doubt it'll work for regular use
The "cast it on the caster instead of the target" rule is probably hard coded

[sweet vale]

Tad bit

Yeah that’s the problem, I don’t have anyone on to try it out rn

Mostly theory

I mean so long as it isn’t sensitive it should be fine right?

[slow lake]

Use it on zombies

As long as it doesn't make you craft, it should be working

[sweet vale]

Oh I’m mostly theory crafting rn

I’m outside

[minor basalt]

I'll try your theories

[sweet vale]

Oh fr?

Nice

[minor basalt]

Yes, [Not self] ... does open the caster's crafting table

I'll make longer spells with Swap Target logic

Maybe that works

[slow lake]

Try runes

[sweet vale]

Oh if not self doesn’t work, that must mean that the rune doesn’t consider the player as the caster. Meaning that it should work on other players

[minor basalt]

I'm not using runes

[sweet vale]

Oop

Maybe try runes out

[slow lake]

Cuz runes are technically cast by an invisible wizard entity

[sweet vale]

Fr?

[slow lake]

Ye

[sweet vale]

I thought it was just casted server side or smth

Because exchange tps them to 0,0,0

[slow lake]

Heard about it from chunk protection

[sweet vale]

(Without sensitive)

[minor basalt]

It does work with [Swap Target] from Adam's Ars Plus

[slow lake]

Turrets and regular runes are cast by an entity

[minor basalt]

The caster's crafting table menu doesn't open when using the spell on others

[slow lake]

To allow turrets to modify your chunk, you must allow the Wizard entity or smth

[slow lake]

So that was the glyph

[slow lake]

Lol

Just tp them into the ground

[sweet vale]

Yeah, I was once theorizing using that to tp random people into a mob grinder

[slow lake]

That's amazing

[sweet vale]

Idk how it works dimension wise tho

Was gonna try it out today

[sweet vale]

I had an entire elaborate setup where I could tp creepers to my location

So I can harass my friends

[slow lake]

Lol

[sweet vale]

Later I realized I could’ve just used blink

[slow lake]

Just remembered to nametag them so they don't despawn

[sweet vale]

I love you sm name tag glyph

Doing god’s work

Oh and I was avoiding entity cramming via weeping vines

[slow lake]

Wait there is?

[sweet vale]

Yep

[slow lake]

Hehe

[sweet vale]

Cinema

Never tried the naming thing yet tho

I was relying on apotheosis spawners

So I didn’t need to worry

[slow lake]

It just takes the spell's name

[sweet vale]

Ahhh alright

How does it work with turrets?

[slow lake]

No idea

Maybe it stores the original spell's name

[sweet vale]

🤷‍♂️

[minor basalt]

why did the spell kill a 3K HP warden?

I mean, it does work (without , with it my game instantly crashes), without opening the caster's crafting table

[slow lake]

No idea

It shouldn't skip iframes

[minor basalt]

I'll remove my runes

It doesn't do that much damage, but with I get 15s server lag, 6k entities and 10 to 20 seconds per frame

[sweet vale]

Because the ice blocks count as entities

So they can be effected by orbit

[minor basalt]

This spell kills a 34K HP warden, without equipable runes

I'll record a vid soon

This one does better imho

[slow lake]

Oh. What are the 6th and 9th glyphs?

[maiden shell]

9 is air sword, iirc 6 is a player filter

[minor basalt]

I've included another new glyph, soul rime, so the mobs don't teleport

they do teleport anyway...

[desert crypt]

Air sword skip iframes

[sweet vale]

Fr?

Woah

If it skips frames is it something that has to be enabled in configs too?

[pseudo inlet]

no
its trinkets lol

it is decently expensive to make though

[minor basalt]

This would be more effective

Soul rime is useless, dispel is very useful

[sweet vale]

Oh

My internet is dying rn so I just assumed it was a spell

[pseudo inlet]

i mean air sword is from ars trinkets

[sweet vale]

What mod?

[sweet vale]

OH

[pseudo inlet]

and ars trinkets is very much an unbalanced mod

[sweet vale]

Yeah def

[minor basalt]

there are also mods that remove i-frames

[sweet vale]

I saw it a few times in my mod packs

[minor basalt]

Like Iron's Tweaks

[pseudo inlet]

there is a mod that natively removes them
or null defense

[fallow harbor]

Who are you?

[sweet vale]

Oh that’s the wrong winter 😭

Oops

[sweet vale]

@versed pebble

Why are there so many winters

[wheat pier]

Is the top message still best version if the spell

Or has anyone made a better updated version

[pseudo inlet]

top is still best in effect
and worst in lag
actually any variation of this is just a lag soaker

and should never be used outside of singleplayer
it has a long list of killing multiplayer servers

[wheat pier]

Define killing

[pseudo inlet]

server crashing

or tps stalling

at best

[wheat pier]

Wonderful i will troll with this

They keep asking me for the throngle they will get throngle

[pseudo inlet]

youll get banned with it

[wheat pier]

Its my friends

[pseudo inlet]

but suit yourself

[wheat pier]

Js 6 ppl we chill

[pseudo inlet]

the throngle is able to kill someones 2 week phase 2 days in

though technically most of my sayings are a bit expanded
it will 100% affect your server adversly though

[desert crypt]

What was the actual reason to use it, for the visuals?
At the end of the day a ton of damage instances are wasted

[wheat pier]

I assumed the sheer ridiculousness of it

[crimson valve]

Reference reply

[crimson valve]

It continuously traps and damages whatever it hits, and any leftover orbs make the general area uninhabitable for other enemies.

I tried adding freeze and cold snap to the end, because I'm pretty sure I did that in the original video.
It still has most of the same problems, but the ice triggers most or all of the orbits against an enemy if they survive the throngle, letting you chain them if one isn't enough

[wheat pier]

Is there a way to alter it so teleporting out of it isnt an option

[crimson valve]

Not that I'm aware of, but I'd love to find one

[minor basalt]

Add air sword

That way it will remove i-frames

[pseudo inlet]

not every pack will have trinkets
infact most wont

it would be funny though

[minor basalt]

Then, maybe freeze and cold snap

[minor basalt]

Remove the air sword and dispel, then put freeze and cold snap at the end

[atomic prism]

I forget what mod it's from but there is a spell that makes the affected target unable to be transported through spells

[tidal bloom]

Hi, what kind of strong spells can I cast with this?

[pseudo inlet]

would reccommend you go to #1480426488821059654 and look at the links there
you'll find something

[sage adder]

You can sling ss much magical hate as you can imagine with that list

[pseudo inlet]

whar

[tidal bloom]

@pseudo inlet in all sugest build i don't have ''burst and wall'' for that i ping my prblm

[pseudo inlet]

and if you looked through most frequently requested you would see a number of spells that dont include burst or wall

[tidal bloom]

i will check thx

[worn brook]

I got my server admin to enable nullify defense where would you put air sword so I can substitute

[desert crypt]

ah i remember now, since the damage is on the orbit, the motion time allows to slighly delay the trigger of the lightnings

plus having multiple lightnings stacks up the shocked level, which means each lightning powers up the next

[serene patrol]

It spawned like 3000 orbits and froze my server for 2 minutes even after running /kill on them (the admin hates me now), 10/10 would throngle again

[pseudo inlet]

Classic throngle review

[minor basalt]

I think I created The Throngle^2

my game is not lagging, but the projectiles aren't loading

is this purgatory?

[pseudo inlet]

no the throngle 2 is the hypothetical essence of a war crime

thats not quite a war crime

[minor basalt]

See that thing in the void?

That's the spell still resolving, I had to /kill it

7k entities

[minor basalt]

I cannot cast spells anymore because of the lag

so yeah, it is a war crime

I'm very far away with render to 5 chunks and simulation to 2 chunks

[pseudo inlet]

I mean A litteral war crime

[minor basalt]

If you change lightning for explosions, I'm pretty sure that would be a nuke

Lightning creates so much server lag

I'm going to have to change it for a more Minecraft friendly glyph

yikes

That happens each time lightning strikes

are you Zeus isn't pissed off at humanity for their Ars Nouveau crimes?

@pseudo inlet

This happens every time lightning strikes the enemies

what would happen if I did this in a server, I wonder?

If someone wants it, I'll share the spell and what addons needs

It uses normal modifiers ( , , ...)

It also killed 1024 health Wardens with L2Hostility modifiers

I wanna test if the spell can outdps Regeneration V

I have upgraded my The Throngler^2, now it [Conjure Terrain] and removes all orbits (if used with )

[minor basalt]

Yep, it does outdps Regen V, so you can kill basically anything

I got to test the spell with Undying I enemies

It cannot kill Undying I mobs because they get knocked back by lightning when they die

[minor basalt]

Since no one answered:

It requires Ars Elemental and Ars Zero

[minor basalt]

Have fun :D

[jovial glacier]

shocking - spell with 3x the glyphs is slightly better

[minor basalt]

xd

It's legal if you use Ars Zero in 1.21.1

[obsidian dew]

I can answer that, first attack took it down to 2 TPS.
second one crashed it.

[minor basalt]

XDDD

I used 10 GB instance and it really slowed down my own Java server

This spell is not for low-end PCs

[pseudo inlet]

well using more gb actually has diminishing returns
if its lagging on 12gb its not for any computer

[obsidian dew]

this server had 42gb, its actively played on tho