Harm Cannon - Fire gatling successor [NOT WORKING ON 1.21 onward]

[sturdy hemlock]

I'm speaking for all mobile users

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...

mobile dowesnt have that?

[sturdy hemlock]

Nope

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I hate mobile discord

no gifs..

[sturdy hemlock]

Yes

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all the systems suck

why gift button instead of gifs.

,,,,,,,,,,

[sturdy hemlock]

Cuz they wan all tye money

Also, fkin pinned messages appearing in the settings of the thread

Like, what the fuck?

[short portal]

lol

yeah I saw that part

very horrid

[lavish stratus]

WHO THE FUCK

PINGED ME

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people were summoning you

[lavish stratus]

4 FUCKING TIMES

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people reallly wanted to summon you

[lavish stratus]

cool

[kind jolt]

To top

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THE SPELL:
[overhead]⛓️[prop_homing]

[lavish stratus]

i am back

I sure do

I have some ideas.

For today's standards harm cannon isn't actually that optimized.

Granted, it was designed for the commonfolk not willing to install too many mods or specialize their armor.

[kind jolt]

You should do ⛓️

[lavish stratus]

i know what i should do, thanks.

i am currently on vacation so i don't have access to my pc

[short portal]

I'd love a harm cannon 2.0 thread to direct peole to 😄

(and use myself)

plus if you want, you should make one for atm10! no idea if you can even do that, and its probably too much to ask for anyway! but if you feel like it, you should

[lavish stratus]

i have ideas...

[short portal]

I mean your harm cannon is like, the most popular spell on this entire subreddit

At this point its used more then , I'm sure im not the only person who wants another harm cannon

[lavish stratus]

subreddit lmaoo

[short portal]

...

It feels like a subreddit

with a bunch of posts

ok :)

but yeah still, harm cannon 2.0 would be beautiful

I want to use harm cannon but I cant due to atm10 💔

I kind of want to make my own harm cannon variant with the Spell Binder

[sturdy hemlock]

Lol, didn't even notice

[radiant nexus]

@lavish stratus is really who everyone talks about when the phrase standing on the shoulders of giants is said frfr

[lavish stratus]

these messages entertain me

[radiant nexus]

been lurking for a while @lavish stratus you oppenheimer fr

[lavish stratus]

i don't know what to say because i feel like I'm not that good of a mage but on the other hand i have spells with MAGNITUDES more power

[arctic rune]

i guess making big damage spells is your area of expertise

[lavish stratus]

harm cannon was originally made to be an easier to use fire gatling with the same level of power..
until i discovered chaining

i am currently spellcrafting something possibly better

can't do any testing because of no pc access

(vacation)

i can still do math tho

and half the damage numbers this mod has are engraved into my skull

[sturdy hemlock]

I like to imagine your skull engraving formulas and the like into your skull, like a cave wall

[lavish stratus]

i have a wixie engraving them

[strong plank]

Me

Mb

[strong plank]

Btw.. I only have Ars elemental and Ars nouveau added.. Well the spell still work or do i have to do some compromising?

[lavish stratus]

start with , replace ⛓️ with a on homing

[strong plank]

Cool

I'll try it out

[lavish stratus]

its about 10x weaker (literally) but still strong as hell

final damage should be about 800-1000

[strong plank]

How much damage could i pull of it with it?

[strong plank]

Still descent

[lavish stratus]

prefired a response lmaoo

[lavish stratus]

real

[strong plank]

Bruv

Mb

But the split glyph isn't working?

Like this?

[strong plank]

It's not working?

[kind jolt]

i can do some testing if you want me to

[strong plank]

It's healing instead of damaging

Lol

[sturdy hemlock]

Tier III kindling thread?

[strong plank]

No

Whats that?

[sturdy hemlock]

lol

A prerequisite

[whole horizon]

Read the top post.

[weak brook]

hey all im new, JUST cruios what the final spell line up is for the harm cannon

[lavish stratus]

the spell at the very top of the thread lmao

... for now

[weak brook]

Sorry im a bit of a noob. what does overhead and prophoming mean between the spells

[lavish stratus]

Theyre glyphs

From add-on mods

the add-ons are in the tags of the thread

In this case, ars elemental and TMG (too many glyphs)

oh also ars trinkets but if you make the mistake of downloading trinkets i will smite you down from the heavens

just use self for the first glyph

[weak brook]

oh okay thank you for dumming that down

[lavish stratus]

done it hundreds of times at this point

[whole horizon]

2101 messages here now.

[lavish stratus]

fr

and half of them are people wondering why the spell doesn't work for them

[short portal]

yes! 😄

[lavish stratus]

that message

is SO FUCKING OLD

[short portal]

really

I thought everyone just talked alot since then

I didnt check the date..

cause when I clicked on the thread I was there

[lavish stratus]

Bugs happen

[short portal]

yeah no thats old

[cinder hull]

For whatever reason my servers modpack doesn’t allow burst and the mod pack doesn’t have chaining. Is there anything I could do to replace them to get damage like that? All we have is ars base mod and ars elemental

[kind jolt]

replace burst with wall, and chaining with aoe

[inland wyvern]

i have to play on reduced visual settings to run this spell >.>

[muted creek]

it goes good damage on the dummy, 200 dps but it cant hit players for some reason?

[muted creek]

nvm its down to 17 dps

[lavish stratus]

you numbnut and buffoon

put

THE FUCKING SENSITIVE

AFTER HOMING

TO KILL PLAYERS

[lavish stratus]

yes

[muted creek]

any idea why it sometimes does 20 dps and other times 200?-

[lavish stratus]

if you don't have the kindling thread (tier 3) i might just have to throngle you irl

[muted creek]

i do have it

[lavish stratus]

damn

wait

[lavish stratus]

what mc version

[muted creek]

1.20

[lavish stratus]

what modpack

[muted creek]

its a custom one my friend made

[lavish stratus]

is it on cf

[muted creek]

cf?

[lavish stratus]

Curseforge

[muted creek]

oh forge

yeah its on forge

[lavish stratus]

not forge

curseforge

i can't stress enough how different those are

[muted creek]

just forge im pretty sure

or actually

[lavish stratus]

curseforge is a website for hosting (mod and modpack) files

[muted creek]

let me check

[lavish stratus]

its where you publish stuff

modrinth works too

[muted creek]

yeah its curse forge

[lavish stratus]

send me the link to it

[muted creek]

link to?

[lavish stratus]

the modpack

if its on

curseforge

the website

example:

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/ars-nouveau

[muted creek]

i think it isnt on the website, the owner js makes a file with them

[lavish stratus]

can't really help ya, if you added the sensitive I'm not sure if it'll still target mobs

[muted creek]

okk

its normal the spell doesnt do that much damage on my friend who has prot 4 and fire resistance right

[torpid stream]

What's his full armor lineup?

[muted creek]

the air armor with prot 4 and fire resistance plus some other stuff for his mana

[torpid stream]

with high enough armor and prot plus resistance/regen items it's kind of normal for some people to just

not die

[muted creek]

he said it does 0 dmg

does more damage to hunger bar

[torpid stream]

I have a version of harm gatling (shock variety) that does no damage to one guy but shreds the other. He likely just has really good resistance and self-heal.

[muted creek]

ahh.. k.

also what, a lightning ver of harm cannon?

[torpid stream]

It's what I use in this modpack I'm playing since most mobs are immune to fire gatling

[muted creek]

ohh k.

[torpid stream]

You could try other forms of gatling to see if they work on your friend.

Or some version of railgun

[muted creek]

i havent tried making the original gatling bc i only have ars elemental and base

[lavish stratus]

wouldn't work

[muted creek]

figured

[torpid stream]

You forget the most important element you can use to kill someone
The elusive element of ||surprise||

[lavish stratus]

suprise aint got shit on protection 17

[torpid stream]

Apotheosis says otherwise (cope)

[sturdy hemlock]

Try this one, but take out an and add a after the homing

You need a thread of chilling, a thread of kindling III and the

[muted creek]

ill try that after the server goes up, i crashed it through flying too fast

[sturdy hemlock]

Lol

[muted creek]

ooh,, i already got kindling, ill try to get chilling and shapers.

[muted creek]

which spells are those, i think i dont have some of them

[sturdy hemlock]

The glyphs are envenom and poison spores, both from Ars Elemental

[muted creek]

whats heal for

[sturdy hemlock]

IFrame skipping

[ember dune]

@muted creek

What are I-Frames?

I-Frames or Immunity Frames, are durations where a player is invulnerable to damage. Ways to bypass these immunity frames are referred to as I-Frame Skips.

In the base mod, there are no I-Frame skips available. In 1.21.1, Ars Elemental adds a glyph called Nullify Defense that will reset an entities I-Frames. In older versions there are other I-Frame skips available.

Please check out "What is an I-Frame" on Ars.Guide for more information.

[muted creek]

ohh.

[sturdy hemlock]

ye

And we collectively refuse modernity

So the 'ol version is casting between damage instances while having a kindling III thread

[muted creek]

800 dps at what cost

nvm 1k dps

but my pc dies

[muted creek]

he survived

[sturdy hemlock]

XD

Then just equip geomancer stuff

Like armor, bangles or the focus

[muted creek]

bro was at full hp

took 0 dmg

[sturdy hemlock]

uff

then his damage reduction is so great that the spell outheals him

The geomancy focus will greatly increase your damage

You should try it

[torpid stream]

Don't forget a Potion of Spell Damage

[spiral notch]

Hey I could have done something wrong but this is my setup with thread of kindling 3 and I'm using a large fire focus. I'm on beyond depth and have added Ars nouveau, elemental and too many glyphs to the pack myself. I's only doing like 20 hearts at best. any idea what I've messed up?

they also tend to just hit the closest target then just freeze in place and melt my fps lmao

[sturdy hemlock]

Hmm

What are you casting this against?

[spiral notch]

tried the wither and also some undead stuff, but not really a high health thing I can test on atm

the projectiles just freezing in place and stuff just felt more beneficial to just sparm no amp harm with spell power lmao

[lavish stratus]

what modpack

[spiral notch]

beyond depth

We added the mods ourself into the pack

[lavish stratus]

what mc version

[spiral notch]

1.20.1

[lavish stratus]

holy shit its someone with an actual bug

[spiral notch]

A rare

I could just have fucked something up icl

[lavish stratus]

na looks good

[spiral notch]

Okay sweet haha

any suggestions?

[lavish stratus]

ik u aid u used a T3 thread but can u send a screenshot of ur armors

said*

[spiral notch]

thats the one with the thread on

the armour is T2

[lavish stratus]

well

shit

[spiral notch]

and this is the sun it leaves behind once it kills the first target it sees

[lavish stratus]

thats just beautiful

[spiral notch]

It really is, I'm not sure how the behaviour of this spell works but I'm assuming the other projectiles dont re target the other things once something dies? I'm more just thinking the Iframes arent working for me at this point. Im really new to late game ars so I'm not sure how it truly works but I read the docs on Iframes and noticed that there's a config for them. Are these off by default? I dont think the server owner knows anything about that config so wouldn't turn it off but if it is off by default that may be my issue idk

[earnest tulip]

undead are not healed by they are damaged by it, meaning the "non anymore hidden" interaction won't trigger

the homing targeting issues was maybe fixed in 1.21 by a random contributor, haven't got the chance to see if that long standing issue is over

[spiral notch]

ah right so that wouldnt trigger the iframe skip then, that makes sense. I need to find something that isnt undead to really test it

nevermind I just 1 shot a boss that wasnt undead

my bad, didnt know about how that interaction worked

[kind jolt]

Would phantoms grasp at the end work against undead?

[runic patrol]

Hey Is it normal to give this message? am on ATM 10 @lavish stratus I can't do the spell xD

[versed shuttle]

yes you may not use both at once here

[runic patrol]

Is there something I can do to still get the same results?

[upbeat bane]

The vast majority of the spell has nothing to do with chaining. Forget it exists

Swap it for another aoe

[whole horizon]

[runic patrol]

I wish, the server am on they banned (Explosion, lightning, orbit, and that's what I found so far🥲

Looks like they don't want the server to burst

[whole horizon]

Idk if that’ll work

[runic patrol]

It takes alot of blocks Nice

I love how it looks, since they banned explosion good to know there is a semi- replacement

But does it do damage?

[sturdy hemlock]

?

Well I didn't know this glyph exists

[sturdy hemlock]

Only fall damage if you're lucky

[remote imp]

Is there any glyph you could replace with? It's disabled for some reason in the pack I'm playing

[sturdy hemlock]

while wearing and chilling thread

The conversion is:

• →
• →

[whole horizon]

No

If you want damage, GMan could probably whip something new and exciting up.

Gives them a chance to experiment with

[sturdy hemlock]

Launch to the stratosphere?

[whole horizon]

Quite possible, but I was thinking something along the lines of using it as a propagator for other spell bodies

[sturdy hemlock]

Well I haven't seen it yet in action, but I doubt it creates block entities like and

[lavish stratus]

it does not

[arctic rune]

if they think that will spare them from us mages, boy are they in for a surpirse

(dont tell them about )

[remote imp]

How does the full spell look like?
The spell in the OP looks a little different than the glyphs you posted, did I miss anything?

quite new to ars spellcrafting, so I might need a little more explanation.

The OP uses overhead, why are you using and what is the difference?

[lavish stratus]

OP here, the slightly diminishes spell damage but still usable

you can't use with [overhead] tho

[remote imp]

Thanks!

[lavish stratus]

wait no

i misspelled

You can use with both overhead and , but won't work with overhead

[remote imp]

Slightly lower still means damage in the thousands?

[lavish stratus]

yes, part of the burst, along with the projectiles, would resolve on/in the ground

[remote imp]

Just noticed that TMG doesnt exist on the server - what could I use a replacement for chain?

?

[versed shuttle]

doesnt seem too bad, if you do you'll probably want it after the prop-homing

[remote imp]

Any other (better) alternatives?

[versed shuttle]

i figure its either a split here or more aoe elsewhere, the split is a 2x and the other depends on what u put the aoe on

which one is better well itdepends

[lavish stratus]

find a new server atp

[sturdy hemlock]

You could try 🌀🩻
-# where 🌀 is homing, 🩻 is discharge
-# and you require the , a T3 kindling thread, a high Tier shocking thread and any Tier of the chilling thread

@lavish stratus You know any 2 glyphs that outdamage ?

[lavish stratus]

elaborate

oohhh

yeah duh

[sturdy hemlock]

Preferably not or cuz of lag

[lavish stratus]

basically anything with an amp

spark discharge could be decent

phantom grasp?

[sturdy hemlock]

I do big dum dum

remember this?

[lavish stratus]

Yeaaaahhh

[sturdy hemlock]

, as per the [erm actually](#1252888862976639068 message) thread

[sturdy hemlock]

Updated

How much does your Harm Cannon do without any buffs?

[lavish stratus]

mine?

[sturdy hemlock]

yep

[lavish stratus]

base spell 8424 damage after healing

[sturdy hemlock]

Nice

[remote imp]

I don't have burst, sadly :(

[sturdy hemlock]

or ?

[remote imp]

both are in the pack

[sturdy hemlock]

well shit

it doesn't work

[sturdy hemlock]

First off, I forgot to add a before the
Secondly, there's too much propagation so the shocking thread doesn't get reapplied

Also

No IFrame skipping due to the second reason

[remote imp]

so poor mans harm cannon doesnt exist?

[lavish stratus]

this is not being poor this is crushing debt

[sturdy hemlock]

yeah...

So the homings get stuck in the icicles

And half of the icicles spawn in the ground, so they instantly die

Oh

And apparently anything that gets propagated by the doesn't apply the thread effects

[cobalt spindle]

.

[lavish stratus]

dead chat fr

[kind jolt]

frfr

[tepid basin]

necroposting?

fr

[lavish stratus]

You revive 2 year old posts my guy

[tepid basin]

...

y e s

You have given me a new idea now

I wanna find a post thats even older lol

Ancient

[vast patio]

I have this version of Harm Cannon on a Mirror to target players but now it doesnt work. But if i remove the aoe on burst and put a self at the beginning and use the spellbook it works. What could be the problem?

[lavish stratus]

no clue

[upbeat bane]

Honestly might be the mirror trying to put extend time on the heal, which is illegal

Makes me wonder what a harm cannon would do with poison damage from harm extend....

[vast patio]

I did notice the dummy getting poison from the spell

[lavish stratus]

Basically nothing i assume - poison doesn't stack, so it'd just be one instance of the poison effect

[sturdy hemlock]

Oh yeah

Btw. If you could have the same effect multiple times, it would still be weak AF since poison affects over time, but heal only activates once

[upbeat bane]

Oh right, for some reason I was thinking it might stack up to poison level 50 or something. Which normally wouldn't do much of anything because it ticks faster than iframes at poison 4. But this is resetting the iframe time

But yeah it would just keep applying poison 1

[tepid basin]

Ok so

I am going to try the spell

first time

nvm

I thought it wasn't working

It is DEFINITELY working

Thanks for this spell

I got to see a beautiful slideshow 😊

[uneven laurel]

what does the chain mean?

[upbeat bane]

Chaining from tmg/NEG. not strictly necessary for the spell. If it doesn't let you, don't use reset like the tooltip says. Reset is not what you need. But that also probably means you're in 1.21, so won't work anyway

[tepid basin]

Idk why but harm canon was kind of useless against the conjuration mage from ars plus

Even though it worked great against the lightning guy, it just didn't do any dmg to the conjuration guy

Could it be some immunity effect?

These are the hamr canon projectiles flying away XD

[lavish stratus]

He has limitless

[tepid basin]

Couldn't catch my https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1356607074632732873

I think limitless works for projectiles but lightning was able to damage him

Thx for telling I didn't know that

[final pasture]

Anyone know why I cant use chaining or has it been changed?

[tepid basin]

This spell got patched in 1.21

Burst and chaining can't be together now

[final pasture]

So is harm cannon dead or is there a new spell?

[tepid basin]

Yeah it doesn't work

Idk about any alternatives tbh

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1356607074632732873 isn't nearly as strong but it works

[tepid basin]

Also not very efficient compared to Harm canon

[sturdy hemlock]

IFrame skipping also got patched

Now you need to change some settings in the files

[old temple]

any way to use this without prop homing?

[lavish stratus]

no

[whole horizon]

Probably not, unless you can do some severely scuffed conjuration and work in ⛓️ somehow.

[lavish stratus]

to make it effective you would have to bypass reset

which i have done but i have no clue how

[sturdy hemlock]

Oh... Interesting~

[lavish stratus]

the idea is to use a burst to propagate more bursts

but again, need to bypass reset

[sturdy hemlock]

ohohoho

That's be nice

[muted elbow]

@lavish stratus it wont let me put :chaining: after

is it another glyph?

oh wait i scrolled up

sorry

[wintry epoch]

what version can this be used in?

[lavish stratus]

1.20.1

not sure but maybe 1.19.2

[remote imp]

How would you replace Chain, if TMG is not available?

[sturdy hemlock]

Just add another

[wintry epoch]

whats an alternate to overhead? is it anything else?

[lavish stratus]

[wintry epoch]

thank you :D

[tidal orbit]

Hey guys, noob question, but what's the current version of this spell that still works?

[lavish stratus]

if by "still" you mean in 1.21, there isn't one

[old temple]

so the same setup doesn't work in 1.21? playing ftb evolution and was wondering why it wasn't working....

[remote imp]

Iframe skip was fixed (removed) in ars for 1.21

[vernal relic]

the i-frame skip got moved from hellfire to the nullify glyph in 1.21

[craggy stirrup]

do two chains mean two glyphs of chaining?

[lavish stratus]

no, two chains is just the default emoji for chains

[craggy stirrup]

somehow it doesnt work

at least if i did it correctly

im in cottage witch 1.19.2

any advice?

Or ideas?

[old temple]

iirc "self" doesn't allow the whole spell to go off properly? i remember seeing someone mentioning something like that

[craggy stirrup]

yea i also read that, but it only reduces the power. Mine does more like 25 damage, instead of the announced 8000

[lavish stratus]

self makes some of the burst cast in the ground

[lavish stratus]

1.21?

[craggy stirrup]

1.19.

2

[lavish stratus]

do u have a T3 kindling thread?

[craggy stirrup]

yes

oh wait, is it possible to have two different threads on lv 3 at once?

[lavish stratus]

What are you casting it on

[craggy stirrup]

i also have tha mana one on the chestplate

[craggy stirrup]

spellbook

[lavish stratus]

Only on 2 different armor pieces

[lavish stratus]

What mob

[craggy stirrup]

Myself

[craggy stirrup]

Thats what im doing

[lavish stratus]

what are you trying to kill

[craggy stirrup]

wither, hydra from twilight and similar

[old temple]

it should work on just about anything

[lavish stratus]

A lot of boss mobs are immune to potion effects which would include hellfire - the thing making this spell work

[craggy stirrup]

um this spell doesnt even contain hellfire...

[lavish stratus]

Again, status effect

[old temple]

i've found it works on some bosses

like the wither

[lavish stratus]

Inflicted by the kindling thread

[craggy stirrup]

ah didnt know that

wait ill try in creative

[lavish stratus]

Try on a warden

[craggy stirrup]

Yes

will do

[lavish stratus]

now im not even sure if it works in 1.19

But it should

[craggy stirrup]

i thought that too

there were no i frame changes afaik

[old temple]

i've used harm cannon a lot in cisco's and it works on just about everything there, wardens included

[craggy stirrup]

whats the best armor with it by the way?

some elemental?

[old temple]

i mean, the more mana you have the better

does that modpack have apotheosis? could have ars nouveau support for the gems if so

[craggy stirrup]

no it doesnt sadly

i doesnt fit in that well

[old temple]

either way, you should get as much mana as possible to cast the spell, mana boost/regen works too without ars armor i think?

[craggy stirrup]

same setup same ffect

wait actually im stupid af

i put charm instead of heal at the end

because of the heart looked like it would heal

thanks for the help guys

[supple dawn]

did this and it barely scratched the wither and the warden, idk if I need to config or equip armor with kindling to make it actually good but it doesnt do jack, im on 1.20.1

[supple dawn]

this does not happen unless I need to edit config

[lavish stratus]

Well do you have a kindling thread in tier 3

Also next time please do the spell as it is - amplify 3 makes weaker than one amplify

[wintry epoch]

Really?? Do you know why?

[upbeat bane]

"I don't know if I need [... to] equip armor with kindling"

Yes. You do

[lavish stratus]

my guess is that the amp limit on harm is 2 so forcefully exceeding that resets it back to 0

Just speculation

[wintry epoch]

Ohh

Interesting

[earnest tulip]

Nah, that's amp3. Doesn't follow the augment restriction of amp

It they were able to force put three amps without config changes, then maybe the effect would be ignored at resolve time

But amp3 simply raises the amplification stat, which has no limit

[supple dawn]

Well in one of his messages he said around 8k damage in base, so I was confused, I'll try it with kindling later and let you know if my results are different

[upbeat bane]

Base is with kindling 3. It is absolutely required for the mechanics that the spell uses

[supple dawn]

Would it amp it if I used an armor set with a slot that made it kindling 4 or 5?

[upbeat bane]

Perhaps. Doubt it though. Kindling 3 is to give the enemy "hellfire". Which specifically resets iframes when they get healed

Better option is for it to be spell power on that level 5 slot

Since that adds to each damage glyph in a spell. And the point of these spells is that you have hundreds of those hitting

[supple dawn]

I love the fact that when I used it this time it did kill the warden in one blow, but my pc didnt like it very much

[sturdy hemlock]

Well. It oneshots wardens and your PC

[tepid basin]

T H E T H R O N G L E puts this to shame tbh.... when it comes to PC damage XD

[hybrid dagger]

hey guys,
i wanted to test the harm cannon, but i have insufficient mana, can you kindly tell me how much would be required to be able to cast it?

even if my pc goes unga bunga after a cast i wanna do it for science reasons :3

[ember dune]

@hybrid dagger

How do I get more mana?

• Learn all the glyphs you can. By default each glyph gives you 15 mana.
• Enchant everything with Mana Boost and Mana Regen. Each level of Mana Boost will give you 25 mana. Each level of Mana Regen will give you 2 mana per second.
• Use an Amulet of Mana Boost or Amulet of Mana Regen. These provide 50 mana, and 3 mana regen respectively.
• Craft two Rings of Greater Discount, each of these reduce your spell cost by 20 mana.
• Upgrade your Spell Book to the highest tier you can. Each book tier grants you 50 mana and 1 mana regen.
• Put a Magic Capacity thread in the highest level slot that you can. This increases your max mana by 10% per level.

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @pulsar ore

[hybrid dagger]

thanks a bunch mate

[lavish stratus]

nw

[hybrid dagger]

hey guys,
sorry if im annoying you regarding the harm cannon,
i've made it as per the screenshot
also on my sorcerer's footpads i have kindling III, spell power 2, spell power 1, as i've just found you can't stack the same thread on multiple armor
and i've tested on mobs + non hostile and the damage is not tha big, it indeed gets some 3-5 hearts at best depending the mob and a little burn effect there and there but the spell is not that effective, however my pc is brain farting, i got the pc part right, but the damage, am i doing something wrong?

ps: i've tried the wrath of god one, and its nice for damage and "mining" even underwater

[tepid basin]

The spell works in 1.20.1 and maybe in prior versions

it was patched in 1.21

If you are on 1.21 then it wont work

[hybrid dagger]

aw heck, thanks for the answer mate

[buoyant sinew]

How i can make it damage players?

[kind jolt]

Sensitive after prop homing

[buoyant sinew]

how

I read that also

But the spell breaks

[buoyant sinew]

Like this?

[kind jolt]

Na

Take the original spell, remove the aoe after burst, and put a sensitive after prop homing

[buoyant sinew]

Like this?

[kind jolt]

Yea

[buoyant sinew]

time to try it

the owner of the friends server announced a pvp event

[kind jolt]

Test it on a random person first

[buoyant sinew]

im trying

how many damage?

[lavish stratus]

this would do about a quarter of the regular damage, i believe adding aoe on burst and removing hex would be more efficient

2500th message in the thread btw ^

[errant oracle]

how do i use chaining in the spell? it says it cant be paired with burst

[kind jolt]

Are you 1.21.1?

[tepid basin]

Lol

[tepid basin]

This is the Harm cannon version of "Whats the most powerful spell for t2"

[errant oracle]

yea

[tepid basin]

it doesnt work in 1.21

[fierce wharf]

It was disallowed in later versions because people were getting whiny about “OP” spells

[lavish stratus]

Actually, it's also disallowed on 1.20.1 if you use NEG but not TMG

[fierce wharf]

Really?! Ugh

[earnest tulip]

i doubt anyone does

[upbeat bane]

More about trying to remove server killing things like burst sensitive chaining explosion or any of the 50 server killing decoy spells. But yeah

[tepid basin]

Ok so NEG+TMG is allowed?

[earnest tulip]

as long as tmg's config is generated before neg's

which usually just mean "if you only had neg, nuke the config before adding tmg"

or maybe in 1.20 it was not config based

which means tmg will always override

[tepid basin]

Nice

It is allowed to me in 1.20

[sturdy hemlock]

Hey. Simulmancy does not rely on such underhanded tactics
-# Mainly cuz we can't (Summoning sickness)

[solemn peak]

seems this spell has been nerfed? cant apply chain like you guys are.
ATM10 Arcana modpack

[lavish stratus]

It's 1.20.1 only.

and maybe 1.19.2

but not 1.21

[solemn peak]

sigh

[tepid basin]

😭

[tepid basin]

Daily dose of

[cloud grove]

To be fair, even without chaining, I can gun down Wardens pretty quick. Chaining is just utter overkill.

[solemn peak]

what would the spell look like then?

[cloud grove]

Just replace chaining with another aoe

[queen orbit]

you need the iframe nullify glyph insteado fheal also

[lavish stratus]

hex can also be removed in that case

[solemn peak]

and what would that be called 😄

[queen orbit]

nullifyt

[ember dune]

@solemn peak

What are I-Frames?

I-Frames or Immunity Frames, are durations where a player is invulnerable to damage. Ways to bypass these immunity frames are referred to as I-Frame Skips.

In the base mod, there are no I-Frame skips available. In 1.21.1, Ars Elemental adds a glyph called Nullify Defense that will reset an entities I-Frames. In older versions there are other I-Frame skips available.

Please check out "What is an I-Frame" on Ars.Guide for more information.

[steady root]

am i doing something wrong here?
i just vanished my friend's saturation bar

T3 kindling thread, fire focus, 2 fire bangles

1.20.1, btw

[kind jolt]

I dont think you can put heal on a mirror?

Im not sure, but try it on just a spellbook

[sturdy hemlock]

But didn't kill him??
Try the spell against a normal mob or animal (not undead).
If they are killed easily, that jist means that your friend's got some mad armor

[steady root]

i tested, just outhealed the mob and burned them

[sturdy hemlock]

Then there must be something impeding your IF skip

But I've got no idea as to what it could be

[upbeat bane]

Check your elemental config

Nullify was added for 1.21. but iframe skip itself was a config in 1.20 anyway

[sturdy hemlock]

Hmm?

But the default setting is IF skip ON, right?

[upbeat bane]

I think so, but your server is the one in question, and admins can pretty easily change configs for their own sense of balance

[steady root]

ooooof

well, im the best Ars mage on the server and still weaker than Iron's Mages

time to deal damage using Iron's (SHAME)

[bold delta]

bo

no*

its as simple as

"ok screw you im using magic damage"

and spam 3 amped phantom grasps

orrr

if you have relics

quad amp summon undead with summoners focus and hunters belt

[cobalt spindle]

Iron's black hole in question

[tepid basin]

they have a black hole? 💀

[bold delta]

summon again 🔥

[bold delta]

yea and

this might be surprising i know

but its ripped straight from electroblobs

[tepid basin]

Maybe to someone that has played with electrobob's, iron's and maybe Ars too but to me it isn't that big of a deal lol

[tepid basin]

I haven't played iron's, nor electrobobs

only heard of them

[bold delta]

tbh

i kinda just hate irons because of how stupid the stuff is

[tepid basin]

oh🫤😑

[bold delta]

you can get some op spell right off the bat

[tepid basin]

I thought it would be huge

[bold delta]

from common structures

[bold delta]

it grows im psure

[bold delta]

or a ring

[tepid basin]

Right

[bold delta]

tat just

completely

removes fire damage

like even if there are things that weaken fire res

it still mkaes you immune

[tepid basin]

That is like mid-late Ars tbh

[bold delta]

i said completely

like

if you use flare

the flare projectiles

wont damage

at all

[tepid basin]

Haven't tested that but hellfire and lava dont got shit on me lol

And that was when I was mid game

[bold delta]

they still actually tick though

and as said

things like flare

are just invalidated

[tepid basin]

Oh, so it completely removes that

right

dam

[bold delta]

doesnt remove flare

[tepid basin]

o- ok

[bold delta]

just doesnt deal damage

at all

[tepid basin]

Yeah yeah

[bold delta]

think of it as

fireward invalidates so many issues

cold/poisonward crying in the corner:

(their only use is to invalidate another element from the mod)

[tepid basin]

Whats a elementthingy-ward supposed to be

[bold delta]

well

[tepid basin]

like pyromancer?

[bold delta]

fireward is obvious

ruins the games balance

poisonward just negates poison (havent seen if it negates more but might do blight idk)

frostward was ubgged last time i used it and made the ice shattering sound every 0.1 secs or so for everyone but you

but makes you immune to powdered snow freezing

[tepid basin]

you shouldnt go wasting your wisdom on me lol

[bold delta]

(idk if any of them fully negate their mod's respective element)

[bold delta]

i dont have any

but yeah

considering how fireward

can be found

in pyromancer towers (extremely early game)

[tepid basin]

So basically element-ward means immunity to said element?

[bold delta]

and nether fortresses more commonly (semi early game)

[bold delta]

oh

they are rings

i forgot to mention that

[tepid basin]

oh alr

[bold delta]

as said

[tepid basin]

[bold delta]

idk if they just ruin the nonexistent balance of the mod they are from

but if they did thatd be goofy

but yeah fireward is just too easy to get

considering how you just become immune to one of the main issues of VANILLA

id mention angel wings because you can just find it somewhere but its slower than a normal elytra, needs fireworks, and we already have takeoff! too

[tepid basin]

Yeah

Though with Ars, I couldn't care less about elytras and even the glide function

I just use leap with a bunch of amps

[bold delta]

true

[upbeat bane]

Gliding thread my beloved

[bold delta]

wait

does it use durability

like an elytra

also does ANYONE use that thing

over the glyph

[tepid basin]

Yeag but there is also the apotheosis thingy i think that bakes the elytra into the chestplate

[bold delta]

apotheosis already nukes balance

[tepid basin]

There is also the flight augment from mystical agriculture

[bold delta]

(if you have additions spam spell power source jewels, a spell power thread, AND a perfect archmage gem in ur chestplate for over 100 spell power)

[tepid basin]

im taking notes

[upbeat bane]

I jump off heights all the time without knowing how to catch myself. I don't want to flip to a spell to survive. I want to just glide to a landing

[bold delta]

oh

personally i just use leap

to ignore fall damage

[teal mirage]

You’d be surprised

[bold delta]

tbh im already surprised

thhat zieg uses it

1 is more tan id expect

[teal mirage]

I mean not everyone needs a set for combat, with a wizard armarium it’s possible to have a travel set a qol set and an attack set

[bold delta]

i kinda just use random threads

i mostly just dont see any reason to use it over another thread when you can have smth applying the effect constantly or smth

[oak ivy]

Does this still work

[sturdy hemlock]

Up to 1.20

[oak ivy]

I don't have chains on this, and it's still quite effective, however mine seems to fire more than 1 shot and it's also not spammable (can only use once) despite using 2 greater rings of discount + full gear

[sturdy hemlock]

Well, base Ars doesn't give you nearly as much mana as the addons do

[carmine gorge]

it doesnt let me put chains after burst

[keen roost]

used to be compatible but in later versions they can't be used together

[carmine gorge]

ok no worries thanks for the replyy

playing ars through ATM 10 at the minute

[upbeat bane]

In which case this doesn't work anyway. Hellfire doesn't give iframe skip with heal in 1.21

[lavish stratus]

Harm Cannon - Fire gatling successor [BROKEN ON 1.21]

I finally added a warning about it not working on 1.21

Should've done that a while ago in hindsight

[sturdy hemlock]

Here's us hoping people will actually read for once

[tepid basin]

bold of you to assume people read those

[lavish stratus]

nah its plastered all over lmao, anyone who sees the glyphs will see it

[tepid basin]

Hopefully that is

Back to just Lava?

and what about Vote4Mira lol

[lavish stratus]

Wasn't really going anywhere

i still support the movement

[foggy narwhal]

that spell doesnt affect players?

[upbeat bane]

Homing sensitive

[foggy narwhal]

so what is the sequence

[oak bone]

Remove the from , put after (propagate homing)

[oak ivy]

this spell technically counts as fire damage right? so fire res would yield it fairly harmless

[foggy narwhal]

>prop hom>

like this?

[oak bone]

Yep!

[foggy narwhal]

this spell does hell fire

idk if it is the same

[oak ivy]

well yeah but im talking about the bulk of the damage

yes, it applies the potion effect of hellfire but like

would it do damage against someone with fire res? from what ive tested i dont think so

[oak ivy]

but i also havent done this version against a player

[oak bone]

I thinkfire resistance would stop the damage

But I also thought poison proof mobs like zombies couldn’t be hurt by the Spore glyph, and got corrected on that

My assumption is yes
But you might test the Flare glyph on something like a or a mob eith fire resistance just in case

[oak ivy]

Yeah I can't really tell. I mean flare damage shouldn't be protected by fire res theoretically?

[foggy narwhal]

it does 80 dps

other one does 1k dps

on dummy whit armor

[oak bone]

What version are you playing on?

[foggy narwhal]

1.19.2

atm 8

[oak ivy]

brh

just use fire gatling then lmao

it does 30k dps

[foggy narwhal]

nope

[oak bone]

Possibly, depends on how it’s coded

Easiest way to test might be giving a zombie fire resistance just
Hitting it with
And seeing if it takes damage

[foggy narwhal]

i cant do more than 4k

and 1k with armor

[oak ivy]

yeah ok

[oak ivy]

im on 1.20 and ive gotten 30k with the correct fire gatling /pyrhhic victory setup thing

[oak bone]

What on earth do you need to kill that that damage isn’t sufficient lmao

[foggy narwhal]

meka suit

[oak bone]

PvP?

[foggy narwhal]

yes

i have a thunder spell and it does a lot of damage on meka

[oak bone]

Makes sense, PvP is usually what people want these spells for lmao

[foggy narwhal]

but fire does a lot more dps than thunder

but i cant hit him with fire

[oak ivy]

Yeah I've found that a lot of them just dont work quite as well on players. Don't think ars is really a pvp mod lol

People are probably better off using other mods

[foggy narwhal]

ars is my only good way to counter meka-suit

[oak bone]

It’s really not, it only stands out as a good damage option because of exploits lmao

[oak ivy]

Maybe you're better off trying to cheese with some blink shenanigans

lke TP them into a kill chamber

[foggy narwhal]

yes i can do that but thats not a hell yeah mode

i can use lasers from mekanism too but...

[oak ivy]

what is that

[foggy narwhal]

badass mage mode

[oak ivy]

What modes are we talking about??

Trying to figure out if you mean "mod" or "mood" or something else lol

[oak bone]

They mean “I wanna cast a cool overwhelming spell”

[oak ivy]

😂 lol figured that much. who doesnt at some point tbf

[lavish stratus]

This spell doesn't use flare ;-;

Ohh fire gatling

yeah i don't think it'd work against fire res

[oak ivy]

You’re right, got confused by the guy that posted a picture of the original fire Gatling in this thread lol

[upbeat bane]

The entire point of the fire focus is to have fire spells like flare damage the fire immune

Like that's the main reason for it

[oak ivy]

Is there some information on how exactly that works? All I know is the focus applies hellfire but idk what that actually does

[fading scarab]

So, I made an alt version of this spell using the nullify defense glyph. I asked in the Cataclysm server already and they had no idea, so I felt I might as well ask here. Is there a reason for this to not target cataclysm bosses?

1.21

[queen orbit]

cata bosses have a single hit damage cap and also a potion nullification

if nullify does give out potion effect, its gonna counter it

and remove hex it aint doing shit to cata bosses

[earnest tulip]

no, nullify straight up set the inv frames to 0 as it resolve

if it doesn't target at all, maybe they're multiparts? homing only target living

and the multipart mobs tend to only have one section being the living entity, the rest is "fake"

[vestal knot]

from what mod is overhead?

[lavish stratus]

we don't talk about that mod

Just use

[vestal knot]

alr then

[earnest tulip]

in 1.21 NEG adds overhead

[lavish stratus]

in 1.21 harm cannon doesn't work

[fading tapir]

Are there spells as powerful as harm cannon? not thinking about too many glyphs

[earnest tulip]

the concept of spell duplication + iframe ignore makes any damaging spell powerful. even cut

which is why native iframe ignore had to be locked away

without this combo you can only go towards the 80-100 range in one go with elemental combos and atm set, or cope with iframes and use delay to spread the damage over multiple hits

[fading tapir]

ohhh ok thank you for the explanation

[tepid basin]

valid

[fading scarab]

i thought it didnt work cuz of the changes to iframes or is it something else?

[lavish stratus]

Yup

[lavish stratus]

wrong channel buckaroo

[vestal knot]

uh why does it do no dmg to players

im 1.20.,1

[lavish stratus]

im about to delete this whole thread istg

[vestal knot]

all it does is rape fps

[lavish stratus]

just fucking READ

[vestal knot]

fine

[lavish stratus]

omfg fine I'll edit the main post

[vestal knot]

ty

[lavish stratus]

Done

[vestal knot]

thanks btw if someone is immune to fire dmg would it be ineffective?

that does practically 0 dmg....

i give up

[tepid basin]

[whole horizon]

Skill. Issue.

[rose dawn]

spammed this and my game almost crashed

[lavish stratus]

your fault

[rose dawn]

ik

maybe it also was because i used a spell that destoryed alot of the creative world for fun and there were maybe a few thousand items on the ground

[tepid basin]

Don't try the same with
T H E T H R O N G L E . Not that you can but still

[rose dawn]

what is the throngle lol

[tepid basin]

I knew you would ask

Don't let curiosity win

[rose dawn]

why not

will my potato laptop fly away or smh

[tepid basin]

lol it is just a very heavy spell that will definitely crash cheap servers and definitely crash low spec computers

[rose dawn]

found it

[tepid basin]

Farewell

[rose dawn]

yeah i aint trying thay

i watched video

my pc will fly away

[tepid basin]

[lavish stratus]

not exactly

My laptop is quite resilient

[tepid basin]

I describe it that way because I play on an aternos server lol

Though I can spam 3 throngles on a singleplayer with 20 ish fps on my usual graphics settings

[sturdy hemlock]

IED

[whole horizon]

You’ll crash the server, and your PC with it.

[tepid basin]

What happened is the server stayed up but the client kept freezing and I had to tp myself out of the range

then I killed all the orb entities

[lavish stratus]

A frozen client is a matter of patience

[tepid basin]

Trust me, I waited

Also, while it was frozen, I would get kicked out from the server anyway

[sturdy hemlock]

So the lag came from rendering the particles, cuz the projectile calculations should be done by the server

[tepid basin]

Does that mean my pc couldn't handle it?

but that don't make sense

I tried T H E T H R O N G L E in a singleplayer world and I could send like 4 of them without crashing

it would go down to 10 fps tho

[lavish stratus]

It means you needed to be more patient

I once waited 46 minutes for a singular frame

this was in the design process of harm cannon

i created spells broken and laggy beyond repair

[tepid basin]

but it would kick me out automatically

and also it would be on not responding

restarting mc again and again would have been really slow and painful

[sturdy hemlock]

Well, try lowering your Graphics settings

[tepid basin]

next time i might lol

[lavish stratus]

Not responding is no issue

[upbeat bane]

I stop responding when I'm working on a hard problem too

[bold delta]

JUST chain after burst lowkey looked kinda cool

[bold delta]

skibidibuncle must be real

[lavish stratus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1293160222856052806/1327195880415170630/melon.gif

[bold delta]

blame mira for mentionin git once

after i joked about it

[lavish stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-angry-speaking-head-tuco-squidward-gif-13808874276609302886

[bold delta]

no

[ocean trout]

Bruh can a PC user help a mobile man out? I need to get to the top

Wait cant I just https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1222573197619101728

No

I caca

[kind jolt]

its in pins but igu

^^

[ocean trout]

Oh it is

Thank you

[marble scaffold]

Does this not work on the dragon? I'm in 1.20.1 and it deals little damage

[ocean trout]

Huh strange

[kind jolt]

Yea it doesn’t work on dragon

Dragon is immune to most status effects I think

[ocean trout]

Good to know

[bold delta]

same with te wither

and several cataclysm bosses

[oak ivy]

On 1.20 for me it doesn’t work on dragon but completely destroys most bosses from other mods

[tepid basin]

keep it going guys

we are at 2850 msgs lol

its slower since the broken on 1.21 tag

[lavish stratus]

Lmao

[tepid basin]

About half the messages are probably because it didnt work in 1.21 for someone 😂

[ocean trout]

Lol

[upbeat bane]

Don't forget the sizeable percentage of:

• How can I do this, I don't have overhead?
• Why doesn't this work to target players?
• Yes I totally read everything about how this works, no why would I have a kindling thread?
• It says to add reset before chaining, but the spell doesn't work now

[ocean trout]

• self
• sensitive
• 
• and that's it you are getting throngled

[tepid basin]

oh yeah the chaining and burst arent working together lol

[ocean trout]

H

[tepid basin]

H

[ocean trout]

Sorry just needed to refresh the folloe

[tepid basin]

ik lol

[ocean trout]

Lol

[bold delta]

H

[lavish stratus]

H

[boreal echo]

guys, i am new at ars , can u please send a entire spell just to copy, i need brute damage, i have unobtanium arcanist armor and book, i need cast this in other players please

[ocean trout]

It's at the top

[bold delta]

are you playing ATM10

if so

#1340850874674839592

[boreal echo]

i did it, but doesnt damage my freind, just mobs

[tepid basin]

why would you want to hurt your friend😢

[boreal echo]

he made a very strong sword that hitkill me

and i destroyed my base missclicking wrath of god

[boreal echo]

so i need my revenge

[tepid basin]

didnt u say ur hand slipped and u did this

[tepid basin]

oh

right

uhh

throngle his base lol

what server are u playing on

[boreal echo]

our server

[tepid basin]

is it weak or strong server

[boreal echo]

unlimited ram

[tepid basin]

throngle breaks servers

well

[boreal echo]

its my base too xd

[tepid basin]

try https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1356607074632732873

not nearly as strong but

[boreal echo]

its for pvp right?

[tepid basin]

yeah

[boreal echo]

nice, thanks

[tepid basin]

np

[boreal echo]

we have the meka suit

this can uncharge the mekasuit?

we got 16GFE

on our armor

[tepid basin]

idk about mekasuit but wait

do you have ars trinkets

and what version are you on

[boreal echo]

1.21.1 atm 10

[tepid basin]

😭🙏

[boreal echo]

idk what is trinkets

[tepid basin]

bro this spell doesnt work on 1.21

[boreal echo]

i just ure focus fire and fire bracelet

😢

[tepid basin]

it says in the title

it uses forbidden technique lol

[boreal echo]

i guess its broken because is op

[tepid basin]

it was fixed in later version

[boreal echo]

xd

[tepid basin]

ok so

uhhh you should check out the thread im gonna gove

ig you already have

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1340850874674839592

[boreal echo]

i heard about the threads, but idk how to use this

i did this 2mil dmg

and it doesnt damage other players

just mobs

maybe i am doing something wrong

[tepid basin]

idk man i never played 1.21 lol

try asking in #general-and-help

you will be helped

[boreal echo]

ok

thanks

[boreal echo]

can u send a tutorial in youtube teaching how to use?

[upbeat bane]

Can't wait for to crash this spell

[earnest tulip]

I mean, it also allows you to make it basically an earrape

[lavish stratus]

finally a use for this on 1.21

[tepid basin]

😭🙏

[earnest tulip]

Horse Death cannon soon on your devices

No Horse harmed in the process

[upbeat bane]

Yes. Break their audio and their frame rate!

[tepid basin]

lol after watching the video i understand what u mean

[marble scaffold]

A

[tepid basin]

-rs Nouveau is my favourite mod😊😊😊😊

[ocean trout]

Wait sound spell? Real?

[whole horizon]

What ._.

Oh dear god

Is stationary?

[earnest tulip]

Think of mage light

[bold delta]

truly a wrath of god moment

[small cove]

Wonder if someone g
Has actually made a spell which functions akin to the wraith of the gods miracle from dark souls

[tepid basin]

hmm?

idk what that is

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1232732218540167179

you can check this out

[small cove]

Cool holy explosion centred around you

[tepid basin]

it might be what ur looking dor

yeah

[sacred kite]

:[prop_homing]:

[queen orbit]

:ohno:

[main sun]

what does the chain mean

[ocean trout]

aint no way

whichpart

[main sun]

THE SPELL:
⛓️[prop_homing]

[ocean trout]

oh the chain

[ember dune]

@main sun

Result for search: chaining

**Effect:** Chaining from Not Enough Glyphs

Causes a spell to chain through multiple grouped targets, either similar blocks or living entities other than the caster. AOE increases target count. Pierce increases maximum jump distance between targets.

Pierce: Increases the maximum distance between targets.
Sensitive: Restrict chaining to same-type entities and to exposed blocks. If two are added, chaining on blocks will only happen where the hit side of the block is exposed.
AOE: Increases the number of targets struck.

Tier

2

Cost

300

Per Spell Limit

1

[lime zinc]

How do i counter fire immune mobs/bosses ?

[ocean trout]

using a fire focus

[tepid basin]

https://tenor.com/view/palla-deserto-desert-hot-gif-6014273

after lava changed the name to broken on 1.21 lol

[lime zinc]

Didnt work on mobs like bossses from L cataclysm and ender dragon for some reason

[ocean trout]

Hmm

[lime zinc]

Yea

[bold delta]

status immune

magefire is a status effect

[ocean trout]

We went over that

In general

[bold delta]

i cant read

[lime zinc]

Yea btw is there any way to counter that ? Or nah

[bold delta]

no

[lime zinc]

Dang it

[lime zinc]

Any spell that works on those that also deal huge dmg ?

[bold delta]

#1232732218540167179

any mention of anything

[ocean trout]

Well wog isn't really a dmg spell but

[bold delta]

and i feel the urge to link it

it can deal damage

[ocean trout]

It's the funny dmg spell

[ocean trout]

hey uh lava
did you have a ars focus on when taking that? Im doing my own testing for #1398729663127355443 and im only doing 7.5 a shot

furthermore if you dont use you can add to making it heal for zero

this raises the dmg to 9072

[tepid basin]

fire focus and thread of kindling 3

why is it not written in the post tho

i skimmed it and didnt find anything abt focus/thread

maybe because its a new and improved version of fire gatling, ppl would know?

[knotty quest]

BRO ITS HIS FIRST MESSAGE lowkey what u reading

[earnest tulip]

If you don't use any form of kindling, you don't trigger the hex

[tepid basin]

OHHHHH i was reading the first message to the thread not the actual thread lamao

[ocean trout]

He's not using a fire focus

[ocean trout]

He might have accidentally have a equiped when doing the math

[tepid basin]

i see

u should try then

[ocean trout]

I did