Harm Cannon - Fire gatling successor [NOT WORKING ON 1.21 onward]

[languid wolf]

i only have it on my chest

[upbeat bane]

Threads can only ever be on one thing anyway. Could try a greater fire focus if you've got one. Not sure. Do you have a spell power thread as well?

[languid wolf]

no

and i dont have a fire focus

wait is there a item that makes you immune to mage fire

its something the other guy has

he has the netherrite diving suit

from create

[upbeat bane]

Makes sense. I wonder even if the cross necklace from artifacts or relics is doing it. It changes how iframes work a little. Be interesting to see if that helps against it

[languid wolf]

we have neither artifiacts or relics

the create suit must just be mad weird

also could be because hes a bewitchement werewolf and has magic prot 3 on one thing

[maiden jewel]

ah yeah I think mage fire does magic damage

so that might be hurting it

[languid wolf]

ah

[maiden jewel]

could try buffing the individual damage instances above the zero threshold with immolation

thread of*

and a spell damage potion

[covert tulip]

Is there a usable version of this without using burst or wall for 1.18?

[maiden jewel]

if there was it wouldn't be the same spell. Could try rigging something similar using linger

[thin barn]

I have T3 kindling and fire focus and it doesn't seem to work

[whole horizon]

How so?

[thin barn]

do i need the lesser focus/ I have the major

I just do like 3 dmg per shot i'm on 1.20.1 forge

[whole horizon]

I have no idea. Sorry. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lavish stratus]

Who u fighting

[thin barn]

just tryied it on basic mobs does it only work on players?

[mint basalt]

You have to put on propagate homing.

[thin barn]

ok

[whole horizon]

tp

[thin barn]

?

Hey just saw this, and do you have any idea why it isn't working? I have the Thread of Kindling, and The Major Focus of Fire. Just asking because you seemed to have a lot to say last time.

[sturdy hemlock]

Per shot?!
You know it summons like a thousand of those, right?

Send us your spell

[thin barn]

I solved the main issue. The server I'm on disabled hex and half the threads. Sorry to cause such a fuss in here. ( I tried my same spell on single player) and it worked fine

[teal mirage]

F it got mega patched

[whole horizon]

Which?

[gusty kindle]

well hellfire doesnt skip iframes anymore

theres a different glyph for that now which has to be enabled via config

[languid wolf]

Wait what??

[lavish stratus]

Omagah we hit 1000 messages in this thread thi

[lavish stratus]

'twas a good run. I'll begin work on a new version tomorrow.

:)

[worn swallow]

On its 1000th message, harm cannon breathed its last

We are gathered here today not to mourn, but to celebrate the passing of this good spell

Which died as it lived

By developer code

[lavish stratus]

1000th message

[maiden jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-gif-25333385

the reign of the iframe bypass is over

a new era is upon us

[teal mirage]

Fr fr

[whole horizon]

An era of stupidly strong one taps? Hell yeah.

[teal mirage]

hell yea

[whole horizon]

An idea that is guaranteed to annoy Lava:

⚡ w/Shocking T3.

[lavish stratus]

in MY OWN DOMAIN? how DARE you

[mint basalt]

I don't get the joke :(

[teal mirage]

bro doesn't like simple damage

[mint basalt]

Ah

[whole horizon]

Called it.

[lavish stratus]

All i said was that the combo of and ⚡ makes me... uneasy?

It feels wrong to use that as a damage spell

[teal mirage]

why so?

cut is good to end lifelink

and spark actually benefits from this because it has thread of shocking, thus doing more damage than

[whole horizon]

Cut does what?

[whole horizon]

Wasn’t ⚡ discharge?

[teal mirage]

Yea

[teal mirage]

Yea

I think it was discharge

[lavish stratus]

Jump for anyone who doesnt wanna scroll

[upbeat bane]

If only mobile discord made pins easier

[lavish stratus]

Ghost ping???

[whole horizon]

Ghost ping.

[sick tundra]

GHOST PING??!!?

courting death…

[unreal fulcrum]

This doesnt work on the wilden?

Does it have a weird interaction with bosses?

[upbeat bane]

Many bosses are immune to the status effects needed to make this work

[lucid oyster]

blew up my house

[worn swallow]

Why did you use a mass explosion spell near your house

[lucid oyster]

didn't realize how good it was at its job

[whole horizon]

M8, mass explosions spells are guarenteed to break everything within 50 blocks, perhaps 100 if its strong enough.

[lucid oyster]

well i know that well now

my house is a crater lol

[willow crest]

rip

[potent seal]

Remember, it doesn't matter how powerful your friends' mekasuit is

The moment their reactor goes poof, so do they~☆

[copper ferry]

IMAGINE relying on a mere ONE REACTOR to power your mekasuit

or hell, imagine relying on a mekasuit in the first place

[sick tundra]

mekasuit is stinky

[copper ferry]

i personally rely on other means of becoming invincible (like resistance 5 or heartstop)

[sick tundra]

aby shroud better imo

[potent seal]

You sound very dispellable

[copper ferry]

aby what now?

[sick tundra]

abyssal shroud

it gives full on invincibility

but its disabled by default

[copper ferry]

ah gotcha, i like heartstop more bcz i can turn any amount of hits into 1 big hit, which i can always tank

the only thing that could hit me is dispell and ars spells arent nearly strong enough to go through my other defenses usually

(+100% magic resistance)

[bold delta]

just like irons

[bold delta]

wait is block shaping focus going brr magic?

[teal mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/str-super-vegeta-vegeta-super-saiyan-ssj-final-flash-gif-13381551106542651018

[teal mirage]

bro why do ppl hate on the mekasuit, when they literally also do this

[copper ferry]

bcz its dogwater

[teal mirage]

bro what? it's good enough for it's own mod, it doesn't need to compete

besides it's really good for 90% of any situation

i like gimmicky armor simply because it's cool

that's why threads on ars armor is intriguing

[sick tundra]

100% damage immunity is caner

at least with heartstop you can get dispeled and take all the damage at once

but meka suit requires brute force

tons of lightning to destroy it’s energy reserves

[bold delta]

i heard the time it takes to charge it is cancer

[copper ferry]

draconic evolution + mekasuit lmfao

[whole horizon]

That gives me a mod idea, but idk how to mod.

[copper ferry]

go on

bcz i do

...somewhat

[whole horizon]

I’ll ping you when I’ve slept. Is close to 8. Need sleep.

AM

[whole horizon]

Basically, an equilizer add on.

[whole horizon]

Preventing effects from activating, preventing mouse inputs; alchemy and, if possible, a better version of Hypixel Skyblock’s warp dimension.

Plus, armor and health debuffs.

Anti-Mekasuit, Anti-damage immunity.

Basically, make modded Minecraft a struggle for survival again.

Instead of 1 suit of armor and 3 hours of infrastructure setup making you literally immortal for the rest of the game.

[whole horizon]

Nvm, Jarva is taking this one iirc.

[bold delta]

i heard someone say as soon as a mekanism users' reactor dies, they die

and then a response was smth like "only one"?

they never specified which reactor

so they might mean a mekanism user has 5 draconic reactors

[whole horizon]

Maybe random keybind input?

@copper ferry

The ideas.

What do you think?

[copper ferry]

that.... that was me

the response anyway

[copper ferry]

also just to clarify with the message you replied to i meant the DE chest piece with the shield

[bold delta]

nuh uh

[bold delta]

idk that stuff!!!

[mint basalt]

Wouldn't draining their power source completely cause a reactor meltdown?

I don't use mekanism, so I have no clue.

[onyx siren]

im not sure what happened to my harm cannon spell, but it seems to only heal now for some reason? anyone know why?

[lavish stratus]

Thread of kindling?

Fighting undead?

Fighting bossfights?

1.21?

[maiden jewel]

[onyx siren]

i was killing wardens with it a couple days ago and now it only heals them

[onyx siren]

yeah

[lavish stratus]

I'll work on a new spell as soon as i fix my laptop

[onyx siren]

i havent changed versions since then so idk what happened

[lavish stratus]

Since when

[onyx siren]

like 2 days ago

[lavish stratus]

Weird

[onyx siren]

that's what i'm sayin

[sick tundra]

any mod updates?

[steady hornet]

what is chain?

[bold delta]

from another addon

[whole horizon]

NEG or TMG?

Bc idr.

[earnest tulip]

Both

Neg is built on my port of tmg back in 1.19 due to Derringer being often absent

Now slimmed down from some tmg code and picked up more from others, but its roots are for preserving

[languid wolf]

hi, how can I get those spells? Thanks

[sturdy hemlock]

1rst Why me?

2nd You mean those that have no emoji?

[languid wolf]

Oh sorry

O dont know why I mentioned you

Sorry

[sturdy hemlock]

Anyways

[lavish stratus]

Add-on mods

[languid wolf]

Oh ok thanks

[onyx siren]

seems like changing the difficulty to hard breaks the spell i guess?

[teal mirage]

are you in 1.21?

[south obsidian]

what is the [overhead] ? sry if it is obvious

[whole horizon]

Its a glyph

[ember dune]

@south obsidian

Where can I get this glyph?

**Burst** <:burst:1262385410873491486>

Base 1.19+

**Chaining** <:chaining:1262385413826412645> **Ray** <:ray:1262385417341370439>

1.16.5-1.20.1
TooManyGlyphs
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Trail <:trail:1262385421061591080>

1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Propagators for Vanilla Forms <:p_projectile:1262385423603335289> <:p_underfoot:1262385426233036850>

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Arc <:curved_projectile:1262385428871385138> Homing <:homing_projectile:1262385436244840518>

1.16.5-1.20.1
Ars Elemental
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Missile, Overhead, True Underfoot

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Trinkets

Greater Augments

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.16.5-1.20.1
TooManyGlyphs
1.20.1
Adam's Ars Plus

Domain

1.20.1
Adam's Ars Plus

Aura

1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Trinkets

**Mark** <:mark:1262385454557171735> **Recall** <:recall:1262385457795301377> **Retaliate** <:retaliate:1262385460324335617>

1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Additions

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @pulsar ore

[south obsidian]

is it possible to add the glyph to atm9? which I am playing ars on

[whole horizon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[south obsidian]

Can I do the spell without overhead?

[whole horizon]

Yes, but certain forms have a higher chance of targeting yourself than others.

[south obsidian]

what does the overhead form even do? The link to ars omega doesnt mention its effect

[whole horizon]

Targets the spell above your head.

[south obsidian]

would homing spell be the best alternative?

[whole horizon]

I'd agree, but use with caution: if the target is able to get the spell to take effect closer to you than to them (via mis-targeting or guiding the projectile back at you), then you'll be the one getting obliterated.

Projectile, ray, and self (only if you're not on the ground) are what I'd go for.

[south obsidian]

ray?

[whole horizon]

Short ranged instant projectile, basically.

[south obsidian]

thx for your help:)

[whole horizon]

np

[south obsidian]

am I missing something? I can't even kill an iron golem with this spell?

[lavish stratus]

I've been summoned

[south obsidian]

ahahah

im in need

[lavish stratus]

1.21?

[south obsidian]

1.20

[lavish stratus]

You need to have a thread of kindling in a tier 3 slot in your armor

[south obsidian]

all kindling does is setting targets on fire when receiving damage, right?

[lavish stratus]

Not on tier 3

It applies the hellfire burn effect, which resets iframes when used with heal

[south obsidian]

what is iframes exactly, I dont think my understanding is fulfilling

[lavish stratus]

They're short for invulnerability frames - when a player gets hit they can't take damage again for a short amount of time (a few frames)

It's a little more complicated than that but that's the main idea

[upbeat bane]

It's why you can't just spam with a sword

Or in spells, why you can't just have a swarm of homing projectiles do massive damage. They'll take one or two hits is all

So the strength of this entire thread is literally abusing the fact that level 3 kindling allows for iframes to reset. So instead of the swarm being reduced to a couple hits of damage, each one resets the iframe and allows more damage

[south obsidian]

Im starting to wrap my head around it bit by bit, thank you so much for your time

btw where in the documentation is it stated that kindling in tier 3 becomes hell fire? Cant see anything about it when I read up on kindling

[upbeat bane]

Consider when you fall in lava. It only ticks for damage about 2x a second

Because it's ars elemental that adds that, not base ars nouveau

[south obsidian]

is the information located somewhere so I can read up on it, inside the game?

[upbeat bane]

I'll be honest, I don't know. I personally don't like the concept of iframe skip spells. I prefer there to not be an answer to "the best" or "the most damage". So while I know the mechanics that make it work, I've not really looked into more information on it

[south obsidian]

Are "hell fire" explained somewhere either in the game or on a forum?

im not rly sure what hellfire is

[upbeat bane]

This is probably the closest you'd get

https://www.arsnouveau.wiki/category/equipment/entry/fire_focus

Bottom of the page "reduces healing, but the target becomes vulnerable again"

Sorry, increases heals

Which is why this spell includes hex as well to reduce the heal amount

[south obsidian]

I receive this: "you have tried to access a file that is not avaible" and then the site goes back to the start page

[upbeat bane]

You forcefully heal your target, because you damage more than the heal can recover. And each time they get healed you can hit them again (another homing projectile)

Probably need to go to addon selection and select elemental first, sorry. Odd that I can't link directly

"This focus empowers Ignite to inflict Magic Burn. This effect allows flare to inflict damage and spread even on fire resistant mobs, it also increases incoming heals but the target will become vulnerable again after healing. Summon Steed will be changed to summon a rideable Strider. Ignite + Evaporate combo will sublimate Ice."

Used to require fire focus, and used to be called magic burn

[south obsidian]

would using this with the life drain thread insta heal you ?

[upbeat bane]

Probably yeah

Life drain is interesting (separate topic to iframe skips)

I was basically unable to die at my gold farm because it was a rune that was killing piglins. Which counts as my spell

[south obsidian]

oh

this mod becomes more and more appealing to me

[upbeat bane]

There's a lot of nuance to spell crafting once you open the hood

Personally I don't bother with PVP, so any conversation on best DPS or damage or biggest boom doesn't appeal to me. I'm more into spell turrets, runes, and automation

[south obsidian]

however I cant quite shake the feeling, that im missing an oppurtinity to learn certain insights, just as I would have never stumbled upon "hell fire" since it is mentioned no where? Makes me anxies for what else im missing the same way

[upbeat bane]

If it helps, in 1.21, it's removed. There's a separate glyph specifically for iframe skipping, so it's more spelled out

[south obsidian]

only reason im hyperfixated on it rn is bc all of my friends on our atm9 server has gone down the "getting the most op gear as fast as possible" route. We often pvp, and I need some way to stop them from harassing me

[upbeat bane]

My usual non-pvper response there is to simply blink them below bedrock

[south obsidian]

Im currently in 1.20 with atm9. Since kindling unlocked "hell fire" being placed in a tier 3 slot; are there any other threads which gets "extra effects" being placed in a tier 3 slot?

[south obsidian]

uuhhh they would be so mad, not being able to recover their things

[upbeat bane]

Quite a few, most are spelled out though
Depths gives full water breathing at level 3
Gliding and undying both need level 3 to even be usable

Starbuncle used to give step assist, but I think that got moved to a different thread entirely, so starby is just speed

Most grave mods will place your grave above the void if you fall in

Either a block of dirt or in a cave, depending on the dimension you're in

[south obsidian]

wait how do you even get below bedrock?

[upbeat bane]

Vanilla has bedrock breakers that work just as well in modded

[south obsidian]

ahh sure, just had to be sure I wasnt missing some modded solution

[upbeat bane]

I think there's a thread around here somewhere where someone made a spell as well. Placed a piston, powered it, rotated and tossed it in the air

So when it landed, it retracted the head, which deletes blocks in front of it

[south obsidian]

so its not like spores, shocking or chilling does something "extra" like kindliong being placed in tier 3

[lavish stratus]

Pretty sure works, not sure tho

[south obsidian]

and last question of the day (thank you so much for your time, aprreciate it so much!) does any of you have some insight or experiencing with applying ars's addons to the atm9 modpack? Does it work? Its such a shame that atm9 doesnt have ars instrumentum

btw my world has been burning with mage fire for the past 20 min, how come it hasnt put it self out?

[upbeat bane]

Do you have fire tick off?

[sturdy hemlock]

I think it got patched

[lavish stratus]

Mage fire just does that sadly

[sturdy hemlock]

I suppose you could just add the addons. Though you would also need to update the sever mod-list

[bold delta]

"a shorter lived fire"

[kind jolt]

void damage is really easy to outheal in most high modded stuff

[whole horizon]

Plus, Solar Banishment is a concept that exists for a reason.

[kind jolt]

again, a lot of high modded stuff has easy access to warp or teleportation

[whole horizon]

Then they can tp out of the void.

[kind jolt]

that too

[whole horizon]

Only the Naughty Box can hold such a player.

[kind jolt]

Lmao

[whole horizon]

You are familiar with the Naughty Box?

[kind jolt]

I mean kinda

never been in there

[whole horizon]

How does it work then?

[kind jolt]

If you are naughty

you go in the naughty box

if ur not

ur fine

[whole horizon]

How does the box keep you from escaping?

[kind jolt]

You are naughty, so you cant get out

[whole horizon]

There is actually a design for it. @languid wolf was a victim of the Naughty Box, iirc.

[languid wolf]

incorrect

[languid wolf]

i was not

[whole horizon]

Then who was it?

[kind jolt]

wait fr?

[languid wolf]

idfk

[kind jolt]

how did it work then

[whole horizon]

You stood on a pressure plate, a turret fired a at you, and you got tp'd back to the pressure plate, restarting the cycle.

[kind jolt]

cant u just fly

or tp

like with irons or a warp scroll or smth

[whole horizon]

Nope

You get ported back a second time.

Also, it was @hazy portal who got the Naughty Box treatment.

[kind jolt]

what an interesting concept

imma try that

[whole horizon]

This was the setup that Trilogy shared.

Bedrock box, with the Restraining Turret inside.

Presumably with Mining Fatigue applied.

[kind jolt]

ah shoot

most people are immune to mining fatigue

but still very interesting concept

[whole horizon]

I say "presumably".

[kind jolt]

would be funny to test out

[whole horizon]

Not for your victim it won't.

[kind jolt]

also woudnt a nuke just render it worthless

[kind jolt]

thats kinda the point

[whole horizon]

Bedrock breaking nuke?

[kind jolt]

i mean it would break the turret

[whole horizon]

Also, how are you going to deploy that nuke?

[kind jolt]

spellbook

[whole horizon]

Null prisms exist for a reason.

Turret hits your legs, but you can't see the turret.

[kind jolt]

the more i hear about this

the more i like it

[upbeat bane]

The point of blinking then to the void isn't to kill them. It's to let then see how trivial it is to just blink them wherever you want

Super cheap, no real setup. Just getting the scroll

Click, gone, have fun, sure you can get back, but I can trivially send you back again and again forever

[whole horizon]

[retaliate] on reactive armor:

[upbeat bane]

Yeah it's just "I don't want to play your silly game, go away"

[kind jolt]

i mean im versuing against these typa players

[upbeat bane]

Then don't wait for them to hit you

[kind jolt]

they can hit from very far away

could you replace the scroll with a reliquary

[golden wedge]

could get one of those soul stone things (the 170 durability totem of undying thing) with a reactive blink homing missile 😁 if they trigger that to kick in, they go to the naughty corner
just keep the scroll in your off hand, and it should work?

[whole horizon]

Retaliate works better. Immediately effects, instead of a guided missile.

[upbeat bane]

Ray aoe 6 blink

If you see them on the map, spam it in their direction until you don't see them on the map

[south obsidian]

what is fire tick exactly?

[south obsidian]

So I have to manually click the fire one by one by hand to put it out?

[lavish stratus]

I mean, chaining works if it's not too spread out

[south obsidian]

what's chaining?

[lavish stratus]

Glyph from the add-on too many glyphs (TMG), it chains your spell to nearby blocks of the same type

Also to nearby entities

[south obsidian]

oh, sadly I dont have access to it through the server

Are there some kind of command or ars spell I can type or do, to put out the fire for good or rly fast?

I have vanilla ars and ars elemental

[south obsidian]

@lavish stratus I think I figured out an quite effective spell putting out large areas with hell fire, without making a mess with water

what do you think, can it be optimized even further?

it might be too expensive in survival?

[lavish stratus]

That's actually really smart

If you have NEG (not enough glyphs) i believe it can be mana optimized further, it adds plane which is like an instant linger

[south obsidian]

thx! It means a lot coming from you

[south obsidian]

sadly the atm9 server me and my friends has sat up, doesnt have neg 😦

[lavish stratus]

You can always add it! Also, limitations are suprisingly... not limiting? @worn swallow's work is a great example of this

[south obsidian]

One of my friends is afraid that adding a mod that is not already implemented through atm9 Will risk corrupting our World our something just as bad - do you have any thoughts on that?

[south obsidian]

I really like the thought on limitations as an oppurtunity. Are there any Way I Can view Mira’s work without having to search every post ever made?

[slim tusk]

my spell just seems to go through players

i have kindling 3

my spell is exactly same as the pne from the first message but i cant hit players

1.20.1 with default configs

[earnest tulip]

homing without sensitive does ignore players

and homing doesn't proc at all on what it's told to ignore

[south obsidian]

proc?

[earnest tulip]

the fact that the projectile will phase through them and not apply the spell nor "expend" the projectile

[lavish stratus]

You can... Ask mira ig?

Start on #1232732218540167179

[south obsidian]

thank you:)

[earnest tulip]

or use the search function with filter to user

[lavish stratus]

That'd show all messages

[earnest tulip]

well, they asked without every post ever made. not every post made by mira

they're just 2k compared to some milions 😉

down to 1.5k if only in #1063650997135757393

they were pretty involved uh

[worn swallow]

Hi, the Mira here if you have any questions or anything

[mint basalt]

#mira4president

[fickle tapir]

The spell works great, but I have to nerf it for crossbow because multishot shut the server down

[worn swallow]

BASED

[patent tangle]

did this stop working in 1.21?

[upbeat bane]

Short answer. It was removed, but replaced by a different glyph in elemental

[patent tangle]

damn, whats that?

[sturdy hemlock]

A glyph that's toggled off by default, that skips IFrames

I don't know the name

[earnest tulip]

[teal mirage]

crazy

so

is this a precedent for "forbidden" glyphs?

[south obsidian]

@lavish stratus mentioned you have done some cool spell works, and I asked him if there was an easy way to see all the previous post you have made, since im very interested in learning

[worn swallow]

Searching "from:Mira" and "in:Spell-Crafting" will get you most of them

[south obsidian]

thx so much

[worn swallow]

I tend to say "The Mira here" in my posts which should help also

[lavish stratus]

Omg u do

[worn swallow]

I'm very autistic. It's one of my Things

[lavish stratus]

I like it :D

[worn swallow]

<3

[willow crest]

i am a notible soldier in the battle against autism

(i am losing)

[lavish stratus]

What kinda question is that

Wait actually it depends

[tough vessel]

for what do you use this? and how do you make areas with hell fire?

[sturdy hemlock]

Water extinguishes fire

[cloud trail]

Hey just making sure i'm not doing something wrong, this is a proper harm cannon right?

I have pyromancer armor, fire focus, and kindling tier 3 on helmet, but it barely does anything to a warden

[kind jolt]

are you on 1.21.1

[cloud trail]

yes, the craftoria modpack

[kind jolt]

It doesnt work above 1.20.1

[cloud trail]

damn

any good alternatives you know of for pyromancy?

[kind jolt]

#1287559002523172956 message

im not sure for pyrmancy

[cloud trail]

Darn

Guess i'm going to iron's spells

[cloud grove]

It does work, but instead of heal, they moved the iframe skip to a glyph called nullify, that you need to enable in configs, iirc

I suggest getting BOTH mods and then the unified mana mod.

[cloud trail]

How do i enable it in configs?

[golden basin]

If my modpack doesn't support chain, what alternative should i use?

[earnest tulip]

config/ars_elemental/nullify.toml
there should be an "enabled" field to set.
Then to enable the recipe (had to put the double switch to avoid showing a recipe for an uncraftable thing) in ars_elemental.toml

Might have mistyped a bit the names but once you're there it should be pretty clear where to change false to true

[bright pumice]

i wish we could backport nullify to 1.20 :_(

[sturdy hemlock]

Why?

I really don't understand why you would want that. Before the change IFrame skips ruled the world, and now it has become an optional setting accessed through the files.

[gusty raven]

Does the Enchanter's bangle (or any bangle) improve the damage of Harm cannon on 1.20.1?

[bright pumice]

I want to make high damage spells without killing my fps and the server lol

[sturdy hemlock]

And?

What causes lag is the amount of projectiles

Not the method that you use to skip the IFrames

[teal mirage]

#1141341426223960064

flare is laggy as hell for hellfiire

it should be called hellfps

[bold delta]

r

[radiant nexus]

im playing in all the mods 10 so i have access to 20 glyph slots. It does not have the add on that adds the chains glyph. How would you make this version of the fire gatling better given 20 slots?

if i continue the loop of flare and heal I do less dps

[keen roost]

Add more AoE after burst,
Add pierce after prop homing,
Add more amplify after harm,
Add dampen after heal,
Add harm-> amplify->heal at the end

Not sure what's the best option but those would all make use of the additional slots for more dps

[sturdy hemlock]

As a professional minMaxer I suggest you use the icicle propagation
at the start of the spell with

[foggy dagger]

Does the spell not target players?

for some reason I tried using this spell against a friend with the exact same setup but the projectile just phase through players

[kind jolt]

You have to put sensitive after homing

[inland tulip]

Hi, is there any alternative to this without using Burst (the server blocked that spell)

[maiden jewel]

ask yourself what burst does and once you figure that out see what else could sub in for it

I'll do the first part for you as a kindness: burst applies the spell to every block in a variable radius around you (increased with AOE) when augmented with sensitive

[upbeat bane]

I love that servers try to remove these spells by disabling the wrong thing

[inland tulip]

get it, but i try to bypass the iframe =))

[inland tulip]

well, true but still found a nice water spell tho =))

[maiden jewel]

The iframe bypass isn't enabled by burst

That's just a propagation multiplier

[inland tulip]

So you're saying that i can bypass it by using wall, propagate homing and split or accelerate or things like that?

[kind jolt]

as long as you have t3 kindling and heal in the spell

[maiden jewel]

Think of it less as a bypass and more a different way to regain the lost potency

Because it won't be 1:1

There's nuance in the application

Burst casts all at once, wall casts 3 (?) times over a couple seconds

[inland tulip]

oh

[maiden jewel]

But you don't need burst to multiply a spell

[inland tulip]

the only problem that i have with this spell is the flare thing (it creates those entities like flames)

[upbeat bane]

Burst isn't the strong part

[inland tulip]

got it, i'll give it a try, thanks

[sturdy hemlock]

3 * (5+2*aoe) * (3+aoe)

Curiously, at under 4 , wall is more efficient than burst

[inland tulip]

Another question, what can I use instead of chain?

[lavish stratus]

scroll up a tiny amount

[quasi carbon]

Merry 1450th message

[left meteor]

Can someone tell me how to make this spell there are so many messages

[kind jolt]

^

[lavish stratus]

W

[left meteor]

Does it still work?

[kind jolt]

It works in 1.20.1

[left meteor]

Ok thanks

[left meteor]

what glyph is ⛓️ ???

[whole horizon]

Chaining

[cloud grove]

You can also make it work in 1.21 by going into configs and enabling the Nullify glyph, which replaces

[round locust]

Is there a version of this or modification if I don't have chaining (playing ATM9)?

[kind jolt]

replace chain with another aoe

will do less damage tho

[round locust]

Oh wait, prop homing is also too many glyphs. Any alternative for that?

[kind jolt]

prop homing should be elemental?

[ember dune]

@round locust

Where can I get this glyph?

**Burst** <:burst:1262385410873491486>

Base 1.19+

**Chaining** <:chaining:1262385413826412645> **Ray** <:ray:1262385417341370439>

1.16.5-1.20.1
TooManyGlyphs
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Trail <:trail:1262385421061591080>

1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Propagators for Vanilla Forms <:p_projectile:1262385423603335289> <:p_underfoot:1262385426233036850>

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Arc <:curved_projectile:1262385428871385138> Homing <:homing_projectile:1262385436244840518>

1.16.5-1.20.1
Ars Elemental
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Missile, Overhead, True Underfoot

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Trinkets

Greater Augments

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.16.5-1.20.1
TooManyGlyphs
1.20.1
Adam's Ars Plus

Domain

1.20.1
Adam's Ars Plus

Aura

1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Trinkets

**Mark** <:mark:1262385454557171735> **Recall** <:recall:1262385457795301377> **Retaliate** <:retaliate:1262385460324335617>

1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Additions

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @pulsar ore

[round locust]

Yes, I stand corrected - thanks

[round locust]

I ended up just adding too many glyphs since it's 1.20 like atm9 and it's my server. Is there other ways to the iframe skips rather than having kindling 3 on the armor (in combination with the heal glyph)? Even if it does less damage, I don't want to necessarily be limited to ars armor

[earnest tulip]

The classic way, fire focus + ignite to inflict the debuff

[round locust]

I see, so that will change it to

[overhead]⛓️[prop_homing] while I have a fire focus?

[open basalt]

I was trying the thread version but I cant chain after a burst without a reset so i end up healing for more damage than i do somehow

[kind jolt]

idk why thats happening, but you can just replace chain with aoe
It will do a lot less damage but will most likely work

[open basalt]

nope

thats how i have it and i just heal it

[kind jolt]

you are using kindling thread on t3 right?

[open basalt]

im testing agains chimeras not sure if its immine to hex or what

i am, yes

[kind jolt]

oh yea chimeras act differently with heal and stuff

try on a warden or a dummy

[open basalt]

no dummies

I will try on a warden then

confirmed, nope

it ends up healing it overall

[kind jolt]

you are on 1.20.1 rihgt?

[open basalt]

1.21

[kind jolt]

oh

these types of spells dont work in 1.21

theres a glyph that has to be enabled in config

[ember dune]

@open basalt

What are I-Frames?

I-Frames or Immunity Frames, are durations where a player is invulnerable to damage. Ways to bypass these immunity frames are referred to as I-Frame Skips.

In the base mod, there are no I-Frame skips available. In 1.21.1, Ars Elemental adds a glyph called Nullify Defense that will reset an entities I-Frames. In older versions there are other I-Frame skips available.

Please check out "What is an I-Frame" on Ars.Guide for more information.

[open basalt]

and that is disabled ok ok gotcha

ty

so that would substitute the healing glyph and the thread would also not be needed, correct?

[sturdy hemlock]

Yep

[glossy musk]

can i replace the chain since i dont have too many glyphs?

[lavish stratus]

SCROLL

THE FUCK

UUUUP

[glossy musk]

oh sry

my fault

[whole horizon]

Mans boutta have the most understandable crashout in Ars history.

[teal mirage]

you can replace chain yea, but less damage

also if someone has lifelink on you with this...

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-goodbye-anime-mad-gif-13586135

[glossy musk]

are there any suggested threads for the pyromancer amor? Or are there requirements such like mana regen or max mana for the high dps

[kind jolt]

the only requirement is t3 kindling thread

spell power thread will prob do more damage

[glossy musk]

btw is there any reason cause this spell [prop_homing] deal no damage to the dummy
but only [prop_homing] can? Or the dummy is just like count as players and cannot use the spell witgh 2 AOE

[keen roost]

hmmm, this has me thinking about using swap target and lifelink for smth like this on purpose

[lavish stratus]

Are you in 1.21

[glossy musk]

1.20.1

[lunar phoenix]

Im in 1.20.1 with ars and ars elemental whats the closest i can get to this spel

[maiden jewel]

Most of the way there without chaining.

[sturdy hemlock]

🌀

You could get 1 more slot if you used a wand or a mirror

Replace with if fighting against players

[maiden jewel]

cyclone is linger right

or burst

[sturdy hemlock]

Propagate homing, as per the [erm actually](#1252888862976639068 message) thread

[maiden jewel]

christ

that's intuitive. ok.

[sturdy hemlock]

Also, we don't dub vanilla glyphs

[lunar phoenix]

what does sensitive do? when replacing the split

[sturdy hemlock]

Target players

Otherwise it only targets mobs and animals

[lunar phoenix]

ohh ty

so if im pve with friends i can use this spell without obliterating them?

@sturdy hemlock

[sturdy hemlock]

I mean

A stray can still hit them

So keep some distance

But they shouldn't target them

[lunar phoenix]

tyty

[lavish stratus]

1.20 has burst? I presume wall is more efficient

[sturdy hemlock]

Yep

[lavish stratus]

thought so

[sturdy hemlock]

Cuz wall is 5*3 for 3 times

[lavish stratus]

4 times actually

and 6x4 with aoe

[sturdy hemlock]

Nope, only grows on the sides

So 7*3

[lavish stratus]

idk what it is anymore but i KNOW it aint 7 wide

Will test soon

[sturdy hemlock]

Oh

Actually

It grows 1 on the top

[lavish stratus]

HA TOLD YOU

[sturdy hemlock]

Well it's uneven and thus is needs to grow 2 to keep the sides symmetrical

[lavish stratus]

why would the be kept symmetrical

[sturdy hemlock]

I mean centered

Cuz it won't grow 0,5 to each side

Just imagine it with blocks

[lavish stratus]

gonna test now

[lavish stratus]

Have not tested game not loaded

[jovial plaza]

does this still work in 1.21?

[earnest tulip]

Needs instead of heal, but no other need

[jovial plaza]

i'm on 1.21, it would appear that chaning can't work with wall, burst, or linger. i'm thinking a split or 2 in its place... may not be the biggest but works good so far

[earnest tulip]

You don't really need chain, even just wall makes so many projectiles

[jovial plaza]

I've noticed... I've dubbed it the shotty Cannon 😬

[lavish stratus]

Good idea

[wraith marlin]

uh, am i doing smth wrong? I am on atm10

[upbeat bane]

Nope. You simply can't use chaining with burst on 1.21 anymore

For many good reasons

[wraith marlin]

ok

[sturdy hemlock]

I can work around this

Just tell me the exact spell you were trying to craft

[thorn stirrup]

the harm cannon spell

[thorn stirrup]

how do we enable that ?

[maiden jewel]

#1222573197619101728 message

[maiden jewel]

configs

[thorn stirrup]

fuckkkkkk

will get server admin to change it for me

[lavish stratus]

ur on 1.21 right?

[thorn stirrup]

yeah atm 10

[lavish stratus]

Just checking

Might have to step in and cook something up for 1.21

[thorn stirrup]

just figured out what iframes are

[maiden jewel]

me every time someone wants to use an iframe bypass on 1.21+:

[lavish stratus]

So many people on atm10 are here

[thorn stirrup]

and im assuming that is what causes them to brake

[maiden jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[lavish stratus]

Fran franning as franways

im tweking today if tou couldntn telll

tweakint

Tweaking

[lunar phoenix]

There’s no bypass?

Like in general or

[maiden jewel]

sometimes i forget you made harm cannon, lava

[thorn stirrup]

atm 10 is pretty fun how ever my dawgs 310 hearts with apothic enchants so dealing dmg to them feels like throwing at wet sponge in to a fire hoping it would go out

[lavish stratus]

scroll up ONE FUCKING INCH

[thorn stirrup]

kekw!!!

[maiden jewel]

yes because atm10 is made by the equivalent of programmers who only know scratch

[lavish stratus]

Lmao

[maiden jewel]

"balance" is not a consideration of atm packs

[lunar phoenix]

Still not clear but I’m assuming yes

[maiden jewel]

and thats fine

[lavish stratus]

To be fair something called "all the mods" is bound to be a kitchen-sink abomination

[maiden jewel]

#1222573197619101728 message

[lunar phoenix]

So nullify gives I frame bypass in 1.21

[thorn stirrup]

why did they disable is it

[maiden jewel]

i'll let you solve that mystery on your own

[lunar oyster]

It's disabled by default because it skews balance a lot and modpack makers/people should consciously make the choice to activate it.
I also resent the way you initially worded it.

[thorn stirrup]

annoying admins dont want enable it because it would lag the server

[maiden jewel]

i dont blame them

[lunar oyster]

Are you playing on the server for free?

[thorn stirrup]

family server

[maiden jewel]

.. your family's server?

[thorn stirrup]

few diffearnt clans, each clan leader is an admin

[maiden jewel]

ah

[thorn stirrup]

yeah

[maiden jewel]

wait yeah to what

[thorn stirrup]

yes its my family's server e

each person said no apart from 1 who actully controlling the server, my brother gunna ask him if i can change it when he gets up

if its a no then ill just build a blink spell under the map and have them fall in the void

see how long it takes for them to change there mind

[maiden jewel]

i would advise against this plan of action

and maybe consider exploring other options that don't require iframe skips

[thorn stirrup]

nah im not up against noobs im up against people who know how to pvp, shrinking devices t porting flying a stupid speeds and all that other fun stuff

chorus charms are also very annoying in pvp

[maiden jewel]

you'll be happy to hear then, that harm cannon is borderline useless in pvp against competent opponents

but also its more that circumventing what everyone else wants and personally asking your brother to go against their wishes is uh

inconsiderate, to put it lightly

massively entitled and childish to put it closer to how i'd describe it

[whole horizon]

[bold delta]

does it have apotheosis

because if not

phantom grasp with 3 amps

could deal some solid damage

[sturdy hemlock]

?

You forgot the 🌀

Or are you making an aoe spell?

[whole horizon]

Wand

[sturdy hemlock]

I meant between the and but I suppose it's to target all entities in an area

[whole horizon]

Oh

I forgor

[sturdy hemlock]

Lol

Btw, what's the last for?

[whole horizon]

Ideally, it resolves one at a time, so you get launched, delay, and get launched again.

[sturdy hemlock]

Lol

[sturdy hemlock]

That ain't gonna work

Do you know what multithreading in programming is?

.
Basically all "instances" of are processed at the same time, not one after the other

Therefore you would get yeeted into the stratosphere in one go

[thorn stirrup]

where about in the config would i change this im looking now and its confusing as fuck

[lavish stratus]

Server config i think

And smth about iframe skip or nullify

[thorn stirrup]

I have sorted it

[normal sundial]

idk how i have messed this up but i cant afford to actually evan activate the spell and i have the most mana i can figure out how to give me, ive played with ars nouveau before but in older versions of the mod so i might of not gotten smth vrry simple but important

so alittle help with what i might be missing would be nice

[ember dune]

@normal sundial

How do I get more mana?

• Learn all the glyphs you can. By default each glyph gives you 15 mana.
• Enchant everything with Mana Boost and Mana Regen. Each level of Mana Boost will give you 25 mana. Each level of Mana Regen will give you 2 mana per second.
• Use an Amulet of Mana Boost or Amulet of Mana Regen. These provide 50 mana, and 3 mana regen respectively.
• Craft two Rings of Greater Discount, each of these reduce your spell cost by 20 mana.
• Upgrade your Spell Book to the highest tier you can. Each book tier grants you 50 mana and 1 mana regen.
• Put a Magic Capacity thread in the highest level slot that you can. This increases your max mana by 10% per level.

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @pulsar ore

[upbeat bane]

How many glyphs do you know?

[normal sundial]

i got the ones for the spell realised it didnt work and tested it out in a creative world and it only worked when i was in creative

[upbeat bane]

Right. So you've got like 7 glyphs then?

Get more

[normal sundial]

alr ill do that

ty

[queen orbit]

does the hex-harm-heal combo work on lingering hm

[upbeat bane]

You'll need lingering sensitive, just like the burst sensitive in the original

The main part with this spell is the kindling 3 thread and elemental to apply hellfire

[queen orbit]

ah

i dont like armor specific combos that much, intersting nonetheless

[upbeat bane]

It's specifically that kindling 3 makes fire apply hellfire instead. And hellfire resets iframes when the target gets healed

[queen orbit]

interesting

#general-and-help message
currently my position but this isn't a place to discuss such things, ill open my own forum hold on

[upbeat bane]

Basically this entire thread is abusing that iframe reset, so each homing shot does damage instead of just getting one hit because they hit so close together

Personally I'm with xacris on this, I'm not much for combat spells

[queen orbit]

none of the minecraft mobs usually needs more than handful of lightning, i agree

modded for that matter lol

[upbeat bane]

I am one for understanding mechanics at least, so I know the main way this works, but I just never see a use for it myself

[queen orbit]

idk zieg i eventually resorted to spamming homing missiles from pneumaticraft everytime when its in the modpack being lazy and dealing maximum dmage is a jam to use lol

[upbeat bane]

Well yeah. I just don't tend to play packs that have things with more health than the wither

But ultimately, any iframe reset spell is going to work the same as this one. Hellfire and heal.

1.21 though it's changed anyway. But elemental instead adds a different glyph. I want to say it's called obliterate

Whether that's linger, burst, plane, chaining, etc to create all the projectiles

[ember dune]

@queen orbit

What are I-Frames?

I-Frames or Immunity Frames, are durations where a player is invulnerable to damage. Ways to bypass these immunity frames are referred to as I-Frame Skips.

In the base mod, there are no I-Frame skips available. In 1.21.1, Ars Elemental adds a glyph called Nullify Defense that will reset an entities I-Frames. In older versions there are other I-Frame skips available.

Please check out "What is an I-Frame" on Ars.Guide for more information.

[upbeat bane]

Nullify! That's the name

[final kestrel]

trying to make a spell that ik the piglich mob that has 9999 health, on atm10, any ideas?

[sturdy hemlock]

Any Gatling spell should do more than 10k dmg

[jovial plaza]

I tried the harm gat, with allthemodium arcanist and I believe the spell damage II effect... didn't have max enchants tho 🤔... and It took 3-4 shots 🤷‍♂️

[maiden jewel]

Spell damage thread?

[queen orbit]

so you require kindling 4, hm

3*

also, since this is using harm- earth focus

would going geomancer a better idea?

or could i go aethomancer and then harm-discharge cycle

spark-discharge seems to deal way too less damage, hmm

ill just go make a geomancer armor...

[timid bridge]

what about against foes who can't have hex applied on them

is there any other way to reduce healing done by the heal aspect of the spell? or another way to by pass the i frame?

[sturdy hemlock]

Just deal more damage than what is healed

[timid bridge]

trouble i'm running into is either, my healing is some how out damaging my spell, or for some reason, my damage is just not there

which is wierd, cuz on one boss it is, and on the other it isn't

[jovial plaza]

i had it in tier III

[jovial plaza]

in atm10 the healing gat heals the enderdragon ~50% of the damage dealt

or so it seems

[sturdy hemlock]

That means that some have fire immunity

[sturdy hemlock]

Oh, so is she not immune?

[timid bridge]

I think that is the case

shit

[upbeat bane]

She's immune to almost all effects.

[earnest tulip]

Also isn't ATM10 in 1.21

[queen orbit]

both ED/Wither ignores almost every potion effects afaik

as much as strong ars is it does rely on some fantastic potion effects for it to keep going

lightning would decimate a normal overworld boss and to both of them its less than a scratch

better off meleeing

[maiden jewel]

or pelting it with obsidian

[queen orbit]

is it better to equip blockshaping than any other stuff lol

[maiden jewel]

i usually default to it

[jovial plaza]

Too laggy with lightning?

[queen orbit]

lightning has a wierd quirk where its not counted as your kill

the fact that you're using it already is gonna make for a world of pain but its all the same so

[jovial plaza]

It is, I used nullify def in place of [iframe shenan] glyphs 🤷‍♂️ it works decently the same

We also have chain allowed with burst... but we only have 2 ars users

[jovial plaza]

I can ars the Wither 7 ways you Sunday. but the ED.... not even wind shear does much 🤔 tbh it appears that any damage from ars heals it ~50% dmg (atm10) not sure if bug, intent, or bad spell design tho

[earnest tulip]

yeah but with nullify you don't need heal

that's why i was asking

it replaces both hellfire & heal

[queen orbit]

with nullify you dont need kindling unless you go pyromancer, correct?

[earnest tulip]

kinda

the lv3 of the kindling thread now partially ignore armor for spell damage, while the lv3 chilling inflicts frozen (halt healing and boost next fire damage)

[jovial plaza]

i have chill, kindling and shocked 3 threads as well

[jovial plaza]

that is true

[earnest tulip]

you don't need them unless you need the status to proc another glyph or aim to the lv3 effect because you have ATM armor (aka a ton of lv3 slots) or need a specific build

[queen orbit]

neat

[queen orbit]

i hate mashup packs for this tbh too much set bonuses

[jovial plaza]

i have all three cause i play with lots of diff spells, have the space, and can't be bothered to switch... even up through the elemental armors i usually rock those 3, and spell power/wixie/undying for the 4th 🤷‍♂️

[jovial plaza]

yea i get that it took me awhile trying to figure out what armor to use, and the debate of "am i ready to upgrade and loose the current focus im on" was real

[hollow viper]

I am trying to make the harm cannon in ATM10 but it says this for chains and does not let me choose it

Anyone know a fix?

[jovial plaza]

Make it without chains.. less lag still has good dmg

Not super effective against the Dragon either way tho

[Overhead] [prop]/[homing*] is what I've been using, when I use it... once you get to unobtanium gear a simple becomes rather effective 🤷‍♂️

[jovial plaza]

*homing- the homing version will target vengeful spirits, i believe... and cause all of the projectiles to converge on one spot 🫤 makes a neat killing spot but using [prop] will just go in a straight line

I am curious as to if [echoing trail] does anything for the spell (good or bad)🤔 but I haven't messed with it much

[sturdy hemlock]

Why tho?

[jovial plaza]

The drops

[sturdy hemlock]

Ah lol

[jovial plaza]

More convenient than magnet

[sturdy hemlock]

True

[jovial plaza]

And with the projectile varient, it's range is near infinite 😅

[sturdy hemlock]

Tho there's no way to lose your drops, like with

[sturdy hemlock]

True

Also maybe put it on a wand for an extra glyph spot

And the projectile speed

[jovial plaza]

True

Though you need the touch, or overhead form iirc

[sturdy hemlock]

?

[jovial plaza]

Projectile will trigger the burst after it hits the target not before

[sturdy hemlock]

Yeah

Good

Why wouldn't you want that?

[jovial plaza]

To Damage the first target 🤷‍♂️

[sturdy hemlock]

What?

Wait

Are even talking about the same thing?

Cuz I'm talking about putting 🌀 on a wand

And you?

[jovial plaza]

I am, the reason over head/ work are because the block targeted to trigger the is local. A Wand adds which would put bursts initial target at the projectiles destination

Which idk if that would hurt the initial mob or not

Sorry I really enjoy the ars syntax it's soooo satisfying

[sturdy hemlock]

Oh yes absolutely

I've never really understood why modern Gattlings do this

[jovial plaza]

It's what makes throngle awkward for my use case :/

[sturdy hemlock]

It's laggier when the projectiles have to travel all that distance

Rather than plop them down where they're needed

[jovial plaza]

My guess is for aoe type coverage... a shotgun vs machine gun

[sturdy hemlock]

Well I've made this version of throngle
#1311479529876885534 message

[jovial plaza]

It also removes the need to aim

[sturdy hemlock]

It triggers much faster and all of the orbits really fast

[sturdy hemlock]

Yeah. Tho in that case you would use the mirror instead of the wand

[jovial plaza]

I want the throngle to surround me... so I can walk into the target 😅 but that's for a different thread 😋

[sturdy hemlock]

Oh

Hmm

[jovial plaza]

I need a spell testing app 🤣 something to evaluate the outcome and say "this may crash"

[sturdy hemlock]

That's gonna be difficult

But possible

So...

How do you want it?

A death tornado or just a ring around yourself?

[jovial plaza]

Vortex of blink was the original idea 🤣

But that's what a love about these spells you could use break and "walk" through a wall 😅

[sturdy hemlock]

Death tornado:
{spell}
-# If you're lucky the icicles won't gain their own orbits and hit you with your own spell

[queen orbit]

this require blockshaping right

[sturdy hemlock]

Yeah

And a fire thread

[sturdy hemlock]

Orbit ring:
{spell}
-# Only possible if you've got an addon that adds prop.self

Or

Maybe you can in vanilla

[jovial plaza]

I was toying with using animated block to set me up

[sturdy hemlock]

{spell}

[sturdy hemlock]

Blocklings are good for triggering orbits, but I have no idea how they could impart the orbits on you

OH

IDEA FOR SIMULMANCY

Does {spell} with propagate onto ?

[queen orbit]

ooh.

[jovial plaza]

With something similar to Wrath of the gods

[sturdy hemlock]

You mean 🏹?

[jovial plaza]

?

🤔 mightve been some augments idr

[jovial plaza]

#1232732218540167179 message

This specifically

[jovial plaza]

doing this with [Ray] has some neat timings

[queen orbit]

blockshaping is nuts.

[hearty jackal]

why is it saying i need to use a reset glyph before chaining in atm10?

[jovial plaza]

Chain has burst/linger/wall blacklisted.... for reasons

[hearty jackal]

oh so is harm cannon outdated

[jovial plaza]

Kinda, it's a configuration change....it still works without the chain

It lags somethin fierce with it

[hearty jackal]

got it

ty

[jovial plaza]

Np

[queen orbit]

put aoe in cold snap or put split in propagate homing to damage output lmao

[sturdy hemlock]

Oh yeah. We never tested how and affect 's propagation

[queen orbit]

amp doesnt do shit it seems,

aoe spawns a bit more and makes their position a bit lengthier

[jovial plaza]

longer can be a good thing

[queen orbit]

think of burst aoe

[jovial plaza]

the whole reason throngle works, is because the orbits hit the ice blocks... a lengthier radius might keep them from clumping so much 🤔

assuming it can still hit them, but you can add aoe to orbit i believe

[lavish stratus]

yes

[queen orbit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743298050222587982/1338701700571336744/image.png?ex=67ad5c1d&is=67ac0a9d&hm=e533689f71d1cbc3265aebf9ccbd6e6d654a06ac42fb84742d9c1e24d1543ab6&

simple version if you have blockshaper's and aethomancy

if not swap out discharge with harm

[delicate crystal]

did you use threads with that?

[queen orbit]

#1302287224079122534

[queen orbit]

frost thread 1 minimum and kindling/shocking at tier 3 to do iframe skip/peak damage

[weary jacinth]

for some reason I can't hit other players with this spell, any idea what I can do to change that >:)

[jovial plaza]

after the homing

Probably only need it for the second homing tho 🤔 or change the homing to

[weary jacinth]

thank you <3

[lavish stratus]

second homing???

[sturdy hemlock]

I believe I taught him to cast HarmCannon with 🌀 instead of

[sturdy hemlock]

@jovial plaza
If this is what you're talking about, you need to put sensitive on both

[queen orbit]

i forgot what cyclone means again

[jovial plaza]

I was referring to this image :/

"Could" maybe get away with no sensitive on the first... if there's other mobs nearby 🤷‍♂️

[lavish stratus]

hijacking my thread smh

[sturdy hemlock]

Prop.homing, as per the [erm actually](#1252888862976639068 message) thread

[queen orbit]

homer simpson

[old temple]

is there a 1.21.1 version of this spell or something similar?

[maiden jewel]

No.

[jovial plaza]

Try
[Overhead] [prop_homimg]
There is a nullify glyph in 1.21, but its disabled by default

[old temple]

where does the nullify go in that then?

at the end?

[queen orbit]

replaces heal

shouldnt require other threads like kindling as well

[jovial plaza]

Yea the end works fine... the only time you need it before the (or other damage glyph) is on a sword (or similar imbued item)

Best advice I have in that regard is that it needs to occur between damage sources that happen in the same tick, in the form of a spell putting it at the end should suffice since each spell entity will effectively trigger [nullify] before the next damage source repeats it... imbued gear triggers multiple damage sources in the same tick due to game mechanics not spell design

[broken arch]

What happened to the normal harm cannon in 1.21?

[jovial plaza]

i frames work different, and chaining is blacklisted with wall, linger, and burst?

yea its burst🤔

[jovial plaza]

sorry to be clear i-frame skips work different, not the i-frame mechanic thats my bad

[brittle urchin]

how does this one do compared to the original one?

in terms of damage

[jovial plaza]

Tbh about the same only difference is how the I frame skip is applied

[brittle urchin]

ah nice, I will probably test it out tomorrow. does it also work on bosses who are immune to effects?

like the dragon

[icy gate]

i saw this a few days too late

truth nuke

[icy gate]

thank you... there's other people in my playthrough doing Iron's Spells going "ohhh its so much better than ars nouveau" so i want to blow them up

[trail lion]

what mods are wall and burst from?

[lavish stratus]

but to answer ur question its base ars past 1.18 i believe

[queen orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/serika-cat-nonsense-blue-archive-talking-catgirl-gif-14150644513165676540

[earnest kindle]

Can’t go to the top of this page on phone 😭 so aids

[trail lion]

im playing on 1.18.2 and don't have either, do you know if there is a mod that ports those to earlier, or do you know where i could find exactly when it was added?

[lavish stratus]

Past 1.18 means 1.19+

i swear wall was in 1.18 tho

@worn swallow info needed

[worn swallow]

No wall in 1.18

[worn swallow]

You want [add as desired] [propagate_homing] as the base for the spell. Aim your camera all the way up to cast, then quickly look at the intended target to aim. It fires three rounds of [9, 25, 49, 81] homing projectiles with [0, 1, 2, 3] added to the

It will leave a magelight behind- set the spell to either white or black (I forget which) to make it invisible

[trail lion]

instead of magelight could i harm hex heal? im pretty new to ars im not 100% on how the negating iframes works.

[lavish stratus]

...

[trail lion]

erm...

is that a no?

[lavish stratus]

anyways

the magelight is to make the linger stay in place

making aiming way better

damage dealing part is after prop homing

[trail lion]

Thank you

[queen orbit]

wait what

[lavish stratus]

since it's a block and isn't a thing on 1.18, it prevents the linger from falling

[tepid basin]

It just didnt sit right with me so...

[tepid basin]

It should be a little wider ngl

[queen orbit]

why should i throw this 1 cubicmeter obsidian on you
i dont want it
you said dumb shit

#1141341426223960064

[tepid basin]

[whole horizon]

Unfunny, unfortunately.

[tepid basin]

Nah I found it somewhat funny

Not enough to lol at maybe

[queen orbit]

my bad then

:(

[small crag]

does this work on 1.21?

[whole horizon]

Read.

[jovial plaza]

you just replace the heal and fire foci stuff, for the nullify glyph

[small crag]

ty

[fierce wharf]

im having trouble reaching over ~50DPS

nvm fixed it

[sturdy hemlock]

First guy I see to fix all the issues on his own

[lavish stratus]

no wonder

its spike

[fierce wharf]

I try, I try

[snow tendon]

@lavish stratus very nice spell but it costs so much mana i cant use it in survival

anyway to fix that?

[snow tendon]

nvm all good

this spell is sooooo laggy tho

i drop to like 5 fps everytime i use it

[fierce wharf]

It makes Minecraft into a very violent slideshow

If you’re using AOE after burst, or Splitting after Prop. Homing, using less will increase FPS. It will limit damage tho

[torpid stream]

What was your fix?

[fierce wharf]

There’s a disabled glyph from Ars Elemental that allows I-frame skips in the newer versions. It’s called Nullify Defence

[dull tide]

for the t3 thread of kindling does that mean just i can have t1 and t2 be something else and t3 be kindling or t1,2,3 have to be all kindling

[lavish stratus]

my brother in christ

you need tier 3 kindling

just put

kindling

in tier 3

[fierce wharf]

Yes you can

[short portal]

what was ur fix?

[fierce wharf]

the message after your last message asking

[short portal]

I'm very confused on what I'm doing wrong.. does the modpack I'm using make it not work? ATM10.. btw. I just assumed that the reason the Reset wasnt included is because the game guides you to use it, but now I am unsure..

[upbeat bane]

Don't use reset unless you know what you're doing. I don't like that the game tells you to use ot

Because it does not do what you want for that

[arctic rune]

Yeah, reset is nullifying the burst

as the spell reads it, it will do the burst, but then it will reset back, effectivly restarting the spell, then does the rest of the spell

just remove it and add an amp on the harm or an aoe on the burst

[lavish stratus]

interestingly enough i think i did find a bypass for this

[lavish stratus]

hilariously bad adaptation btw

no offence

[sturdy hemlock]

Oh yeah, they also forgot the / nullify

[muted creek]

Does it still work without overhead bc the server im in doesnt have omega

[whole horizon]

…

Yeah, but at that point just use

Or Missile, for that matter.

[short portal]

yep, just kept the spell from when I began ars nouveau and didnt think to rethink my logic..

[strong plank]

IVE BEEN SCROLLING UP SINCE ETERNITY

Btw

Does this work for 1.20.1

Ars nouveau and elemental only

• im really sorry i may sound dumb.. But what are all these words and symbols between each glyph?

[whole horizon]

Glyphs

[strong plank]

How?

[whole horizon]

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1252888862976639068

[strong plank]

Oh

Tysm

Btw

Has someone made a stronger version.. Or is this the stronger it could be?

[whole horizon]

How committed to the premise are you?

Bc Lava would probably have some better optimized ones.

[strong plank]

As long as i can beat THE F out of my friend, im committed

[strong plank]

Send it

[whole horizon]

Lava is another guy.

He is OP

[strong plank]

Hmm

Ill ask him then

Whats his acc?

[whole horizon]

@lavish stratus, a goober wishes to receive your wisdom.

[arctic rune]

you know you are pulling out the big guns when lava is personally summoned

[whole horizon]

Also, https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1279312525283823671 could be helpful if your buddy is heavily armored.

[kind jolt]

Ooooo is lava gonna cook?

[whole horizon]

Is your goal more to beat him slowly, destroy him instantly, or bully him?

[strong plank]

Destroy him instantly and bully him

I was praying mb

Answer a bit late

[whole horizon]

np

[strong plank]

This lowly little junior, is hoping young master could teach him a thing or two about magic.. For he's the most powerful spellcaster humanity has ever known @lavish stratus🫡

[whole horizon]

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1341540965684351008

If you can figure out how to apply that you your buddy instead of yourself…

[strong plank]

DAAAAANG

Can't i just use a projectile spell and aim it at someone?

[whole horizon]

Complement the creator, not me.

And idk

[strong plank]

Ill wait for @lavish stratus's enlightenment then..

[whole horizon]

Ask the Rocket Jump Guy themselves.

[strong plank]

I'm talking about the harm cannon spell

[whole horizon]

ah

[strong plank]

I alr found smth for the rocket jump (probably)

[arctic rune]

imagining MistakeMaker in ritual robes chanting into a chalk circle with ritual candles, creating a dark portal to summon lava

[strong plank]

😭

Kinda reminds me of the sandman's comics

How they summoned morphues in the first volume

Idk why i said two different names of the same character.. But yh u get my point

[muted creek]

Whats missile, is it a spell? I cant check rn im not home

[whole horizon]

A form glyph that detonates and affects many targets in its AOE. Idk if there AOE can target blocks tho.

[muted creek]

Oohh ok. Is it from base Ars or another Ars mod, since i only have base rn and elemental in the next server upd

[ember dune]

@muted creek

Where can I get this glyph?

**Burst** <:burst:1262385410873491486>

Base 1.19+

**Chaining** <:chaining:1262385413826412645> **Ray** <:ray:1262385417341370439>

1.16.5-1.20.1
TooManyGlyphs
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Trail <:trail:1262385421061591080>

1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Propagators for Vanilla Forms <:p_projectile:1262385423603335289> <:p_underfoot:1262385426233036850>

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Arc <:curved_projectile:1262385428871385138> Homing <:homing_projectile:1262385436244840518>

1.16.5-1.20.1
Ars Elemental
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Missile, Overhead, True Underfoot

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Trinkets

Greater Augments

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.16.5-1.20.1
TooManyGlyphs
1.20.1
Adam's Ars Plus

Domain

1.20.1
Adam's Ars Plus

Aura

1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Trinkets

**Mark** <:mark:1262385454557171735> **Recall** <:recall:1262385457795301377> **Retaliate** <:retaliate:1262385460324335617>

1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Additions

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Please raise an issue with @pulsar ore

[upbeat bane]

Neg and omega.

As I understand it, it's basically Ray+burst

[whole horizon]

Projectile, not ray

[upbeat bane]

Ray with the shorter range though

[muted creek]

Oohh..

[whole horizon]

Point

[upbeat bane]

Missile will pop in the air

[muted creek]

Ill js use projectile, the server owners only gonna add elemental and maybe addition ars

[upbeat bane]

But you're right, it travels more like projectile

[muted creek]

Is there a video here somewhere of the harm cannon being used?

Is chain replaceable by anything also?

[sturdy hemlock]

How to get to the top message:

The first message is pinged.
You just need to head to the thread info, click on settings, and go to pinged messages

[short portal]

When I mentioned lava's spells to my friends I quite literally say "I got them from the black mage" and all they know is he fights against the gods who try and make his spells bad