Ars Additions

[sullen orchid]

I do struggle a little bit to think of use cases that require the haversack though

[mystic crown]

And needs a 5x5 area

[covert topaz]

Haversacks use case is purely to fill the niche of backpacks in early game

but can be used for any 1-way deposit systems

[mystic crown]

Lectern access is pretty simple already. I agree

[sullen orchid]

but you can't really set up chunkloaders early

[mystic crown]

Haversack needs a player right?

[covert topaz]

Most people have FTB Chunks tbf

[sullen orchid]

I mean, you can with ender pearls soon...

ah, I guess.... I hate chunk claims though haha

I prefer to not have them at all

[mossy sigil]

My use case: no backpack mod

[mystic crown]

I still think that it doesn't matter though because if you can load your destination for the haversack, you can load your lectern and just interact it

So loading is "needed" for both

[sullen orchid]

yeah. So that use case would be that you have a chunkloader but don't have a lectern

[covert topaz]

That still requires a bit more setup, Haversack can be done pre-enchanting apparatus

[mystic crown]

That's a fair point

[sullen orchid]

but like, I can't really think of a late game reason to use them

[mystic crown]

Early early. But still with a pearl

[covert topaz]

Like I said, very early backpack replacement

[sullen orchid]

it makes me question the worth of the feature if it requires a chunkloading method and then has no reason to use it late game

[covert topaz]

Once you have a storage lectern set up with warp index then there's not much point

[mossy sigil]

QoL tbh

[mystic crown]

A late game use could be a good thing. First thought is one way ender chest. If you could link it to a destination, then apply it to a storage, so the second storage sends to the linked

[sullen orchid]

I don't like dead steps

[mystic crown]

Even if the box you apply it to is a custom thing, place the haversack in a slot, and then anything you put in it sends to the destination

[sullen orchid]

I'll keep pondering on it, but I do feel it needs something more

[mossy sigil]

The part where it can auto-send items is good (even if it's THE thing that breaks it rn :P)

Terraria void bag

[covert topaz]

You can bind them to any inventory, so when mining quickly deposit into a smelter or something like that

Yeah, it has the auto-pickup to send items you whitelist back to your storage automatically

that's the one bonus over Warp Index

[mystic crown]

I still vote apply it to a chest to link it to the destination chest

Bonus if I can do it to a named repository

Thinking of my "smelter" repo tab that then routed to my smelter setup. A one way link would have been handy

Instead I used starbuncles and ender chests

[mossy sigil]

Link it directly to the repository?

[covert topaz]

So a block you can insert a haversack into, and it basically warps anything deposited to the destination?

[sullen orchid]

I think Zieg is saying, let us open the GUI for the linked inventory?

but let it attach to any container

[mystic crown]

Yeah. That would give end game uses

[covert topaz]

Currently it can attach to any container, but I don't want it to have a GUI

[mystic crown]

I mean link it to output A. Attach it to chest B. Chest B would then auto send to A

[sullen orchid]

ah

hm

[mystic crown]

And if chest B is able to have a named tab in lecterns, then it would give another good use for named tabs

[sullen orchid]

but also, the thing that sticks in my mind- the Handy Haversack in Pathfinder, the biggest thing it does is make it easier to retrieve your items

[mystic crown]

I guess a use case end game right now would be that exact thing.

Id link a haversack to my smelter input. Grab 20 stacks of cobble from storage, and send it via haversack

Instead of what I'm currently doing which is a tab in my lectern I dump things in

[sullen orchid]

mm. That's pretty acheivable right now anyways

[mystic crown]

Yeah it would be like 5 clicks and then name my haversack so I knew where it was going

And do a second for crushing

So any sort of on-demand processing like that is a current use case

Instead of the "send home" line of thought, it's "send to processing"

I just always like things that can be placed in world, because then it's automatable

[sullen orchid]

I guess I'm looking for something where I'd go "Wow! What an amazing use case for this thing!" and what it currently is, it's "hm, so this does a job that is quickly replaced by other better things"

[mystic crown]

Handy haversquirrel

[unkempt pike]

Oo

[covert topaz]

Could be a Starbuncle modifier

Any items picked up by the Starbuncle go into the Haversack

[mystic crown]

Current ideas I can think of for it currently:

1. Default "send to my storage" - easily replaced by lectern access
2. Send to processing - smelters, bottle filling, crushing, etc.
3. Remote activation methods - insert item to trigger redstone. No blink rune or scroll needed (icbm)

[covert topaz]

Deposit box for friends also works

[mystic crown]

That would work actually. Then it can pull from any inventory. And basically as they grab items, it'll warp to the output. Basically no squirrel movement needed

[covert topaz]

While fixing this, I'm also adding sided support for Haversack

So it's side-sensitive

[unkempt pike]

1. Would require making whatever you're using to access lectern auto grab stuff?

Isn't half the point of this that it will grab stuff on pickup?

[covert topaz]

Yea

[mystic crown]

True, an eye to interact with my lectern doesn't auto send stuff

I don't actually know how much I'd use that feature though, if I'm being honest

[unkempt pike]

Is it currently lectern only?

[covert topaz]

No, it's anything that has an item handler

[unkempt pike]

I could definitely see myself using it for #2

[covert topaz]

Pedestal, Blast Furnace, Hopper, Barrel, Lectern, etc.

[unkempt pike]

This is funny out of context

[mystic crown]

I mean... That could be handy

[unkempt pike]

Lol

But extending my mining trips by having the ores sent to my processing automatically sounds great

[mystic crown]

I'm with you there, but xacris and my point was more that by the time I have a storage set up at home to accept all the items, I probably have a lectern already, since that's also early game. And both need the destination loaded

[sullen orchid]

and I'm really stuck on the chunkloading aspect, as per usual

like sure, it could be fine if you're digging directly under your base

[covert topaz]

I may load it with the haversack, but remember this mod also adds the ritual of chunkloading and most people use it with FTB

[mystic crown]

Having some sort of buffer that "sends" the items (even if it's just a list in the aether) and then when it's loaded, transfers would be good

[sullen orchid]

I just think that requiring chunkloading to be at all useful makes it a really weird item

[covert topaz]

Lots of people mine under their base or nearby, or play in multiplayer servers and base with friends

[sullen orchid]

but, I also wouldn't necessarily want it doing chunkloading... because of all the arguments I've had about chunkloading over the history of this discord

like there's all these caveats to using it

which tells me it could be better

[mystic crown]

I think having an invisible buffer would be a solution. "Store" the items in a list when sent, so it's still one way. And then when loaded drain the list into the output chest

[unkempt pike]

I can see that logic if this was for the base mod... But additions has multiple things that are only useful with chunkloading and even provides a chunkloader iirc

[covert topaz]

I'm not a big fan of the buffer honestly

[mystic crown]

Then it's still useful when unloaded, and still has the one way. It's not just a backpack

[covert topaz]

Yeah it's the same argument for the Warp Index

[unkempt pike]

Ender jar, lectern tablets, haversack,

[sullen orchid]

the warp index is kinda the reason why the haversack feels weird to me. It's just straight up better, aside from the haversack having the auto-deposit

[mystic crown]

Ender jar though still has a use end game. Setting up flight rituals around the base without having to chain relays

[unkempt pike]

Auto deposit to any inventory sounds great... Especially since I absolutely hate filtering the lectern storages lol... And filtering pulling from the lectern is also not ideal performance wise(if I was to auto send to lectern and have a filtered starby take the ores

[mystic crown]

The problem I have is that by the time you have chunk loading set up (outside free loading from FTB). The haversack is already outclassed by the warp index or even just a enchanter eye

[unkempt pike]

Soon chunkloading will be throw a pearl

[mystic crown]

So it just seems like while it's early game, it gets used once or twice when I'm mining below my base

(I'm looking for more reasons to use it, not saying get rid of it. I hope that's coming across)

[covert topaz]

Warp Index

• Expensive
• Can only bind to Lectern
• Same dimension only unless upgraded
• Two-Way

Haversack

• Cheap
• Can bind to any inventory
• Can auto-deposit items
• Works cross dimension
• One-Way

[unkempt pike]

I'm just here to have a debate on the internet... My debate senses were tingling and sucked me in

[mystic crown]

Lol

I can definitely see myself using it as smelter/process input. Though generally I'd also want automated input as well

[unkempt pike]

I know a lot of players love the ender sacks from ender storage mod, haversack is just an ars version of that really, but one way

[covert topaz]

Yeah automated input could work for an upgrade

but if you're comparing it to other things, that could be done with a repository, lectern and hopper

[mystic crown]

So random thought... What if you could set them in lecterns as the tab itself?

[sullen orchid]

I guess I just see the warp index as infinitely more flexible, and I can have logic on the other side to do whatever I want with my items in storage. This trades the ability to access anything in exchange for the ability to automatically pick things up... if it could be used in automation outside of the player in some way I think that'd be a good addition

[covert topaz]

I mean the whole point of the haversack is to be very early game

[sullen orchid]

which is only really a thing with FTB chunks

or mining under your base

[covert topaz]

Same with Warp Index

[sullen orchid]

because the chunkloading ritual wouldn't be early game, would it?

[unkempt pike]

(or an ender pearl next update)

[sullen orchid]

it's the "very early game" that I keep bumping against lol

[covert topaz]

Recipe is up to the modpack makers

[mystic crown]

I don't quite have a full thought here. But the concept was to use the tab. Same way I currently have a named repo that routes to processing.

Though we don't have a way to tell an input to go to any specific tab... So maybe not helpful

[unkempt pike]

Chunkloader ritual is disabled by default and has no recipe, pack makers or server owners have to enable and create a recipe

[mystic crown]

So maybe just being able to give it to a squirrel, and have that squirrel pull from inventories to route to the destination

[sullen orchid]

ender pearl chunkloaders will change the situation for sure

but... I suppose that's still post-nether

[unkempt pike]

Bubble

Yeh

[mystic crown]

Needs soul sand

[unkempt pike]

Which for some is very early

And some not so much

Lol

[sullen orchid]

yeah not too hard tbh, but some people never go to the nether lol

[covert topaz]

Those people are less likely to be playing modded

[sullen orchid]

but like for me, almost all of my exploration is done before I have a base of any sort set up

[unkempt pike]

I somehow always get basalt deltas spawn and spend hours getting to a different biome while getting killed by ninja cubes bumping me off

[sullen orchid]

which is why actual backpacks are my top priority

[mystic crown]

Explore to find a spot to live.
Set up basic storage.
Go mining
Use those resources to start on mods/building (make an apparatus)

[unkempt pike]

Auto pickup and ability to bind to any inventory is enough to make me wanna use it... If soph backpacks had some sort of ender transfer upgrade to send items on a filter to a soph storage block, I'd be using that every time lol

[mystic crown]

I guess I could make a haversack after basic storage, but that limits me to a double chest (early game, I probably don't even have hoppers). Better than not having a haversack, but to be honest, that first mining trip is mostly limited by food and torches

[unkempt pike]

Currently I go mining with my backpack, have the backpack auto pickup ores, fill it up or decide im done, go home, place backpack on processing input

With the haversack the processing is likely done by the time I get home lol

Ofc this can be replicated with warp index or eye... But auto pickup is great for my lazy butt

[sullen orchid]

hm. Thought of a mini-game use for them. Could have the haversacks filtered for an item that you use to keep track of someone's score while playing. They pick up a "coin" and then redstone elsewhere responds

[mystic crown]

Early game I wouldn't have processing. And I'd probably not want everything smelted in vanilla furnaces anyway, if other options exist. So for me it would just be as extended storage

[unkempt pike]

Plus, like I said, I really dislike filtering the lectern storages

[mystic crown]

Player heads

[sullen orchid]

oh, good one

[unkempt pike]

Idk, I can see myself using it even after having the warp index, I know there's a focus on early game here but for my personal use I dont think that applies

[sullen orchid]

I spend so little time at early game that I completely dismiss it

[unkempt pike]

Definitely isn't a wooden or even stone pick scenario at the very least lol

[mystic crown]

Could also have players carry a gold nugget. If any nuggets get picked up, they get points. When a player is killed, at respawn they get a gold nugget and then their haversack back (since the other player picked it up)

Since that would be easier to filter than heads

[sullen orchid]

like I get a diamond backpack usually before I have a place to put my bed...

[unkempt pike]

Yeah I'm an adventurer

I'll go ages without a base

[mystic crown]

Can a haversack send another haversack?

[unkempt pike]

Sleeping at random villages along the way

[covert topaz]

Yeah, it can send anything

[sullen orchid]

I don't see why not

[mystic crown]

I like this minigame line of thought

[unkempt pike]

Haversackception

[mystic crown]

Auto score counting on pickup. I assume the auto send is only for player pickup, not taking something from a chest

[sullen orchid]

yeah like my mind is at "what is this item uniquely good for? Does it allow something that was impossible before?"

[mystic crown]

Player walks through an armory, gets their gear and point item, then the haversack last.

If another player picks up those items, they collect the point, other items get sent back to player spawn

[sullen orchid]

hijacking player pickups during a minigame could allow for interesting stuff

[mystic crown]

Still need a way to disable graves in an area. That's something that should exist for grave mods

"if you die here, your stuff drops" specifically for minigame building

[unkempt pike]

For me, the auto pickup part is the thing that was impossible before lol... I love my auto pickup... I was the one who linked bailey and p3pp3rfly up to get to work with backpack pickup upgrade lmao

[mystic crown]

Thinking like decked out can't really work in most modded environments

[mystic crown]

For me, auto pickup/send isn't something I use much. If I'm mining, I like to have a stack of cobble for scaffolding

[unkempt pike]

Yeah I have cobble in my void jar lol

[mystic crown]

I also don't use the void jar though.. Same basic reasons

[unkempt pike]

Shut it off if I want some

Id only be sending ores when mining

[unkempt pike]

Or if I'm getting low

[sullen orchid]

my personal biggest use for auto-pickup is when I'm terraforming, but I want access to those same blocks most of the time still

[unkempt pike]

I would love for the void jar to get a hotkey lol, I use it that much

[mystic crown]

When you drink a standard potion, when it converts to an empty bottle, I wonder if we could auto pull it

[sullen orchid]

don't think it's a "pick up a dropped item" kind of thing though

[mystic crown]

At the least you could drink it, drop it

Pick it up, haversack sends it to refill, sensitive pickup rune sends it back

Q to refill

[unkempt pike]

Do any of the ars mods have a refill mechanic? Yeh this would be another chunkloading mandatory thing

[mystic crown]

That's doable with lectern access of course, but a single key press could be nice

I think an interact turret works on a potion jar using a flask or bottle

[unkempt pike]

I'm 80% sure it does

(unrelated but I really wish you could lock flasks to a specific potion, and have a refill from nearby jars button when the crown is equipped)

[mystic crown]

Reusable med kit system in a paintball game

Maybe use a ticket system instead of having the bottle trigger it. You get 3 health tickets, 3 speed tickets, etc. Q the named paper to get a potion sent to you

So then each potion is a single slot instead of however many potions that is

[sullen orchid]

hm. Do splash potions trigger runes...?

[mystic crown]

I haven't tried. But probably

Blink rune would send the flying potion, but I don't think you could send that to a player directly

Oh that's a fun take on paintball actually. Splash cannons. You get a flask of harming. So 8 shots. And then you have to q to reload it

[unkempt pike]

But this is in additions... Could use the mark/recall stuff

[mystic crown]

Oh I don't know if I've used those

[covert topaz]

Mark/Recall has just been made sided too

[unkempt pike]

Tho idk if reliquary works with turrets

[covert topaz]

It does

[unkempt pike]

Woop

[mystic crown]

Does it need reconnected to the target though?

[covert topaz]

Depending on the target and the config

[mystic crown]

I thought that only worked for one spell

[covert topaz]

It only works for one spell targeting a player by default

[mystic crown]

I don't know how Mark/recall work. Might be able to abuse sensitive runes

[unkempt pike]

https://github.com/EnigmaticaModpacks/Enigmatica10/blob/a01bb9d420539a10037013713d31cb0df0ea5f8c/config/ars_additions-server.toml#L32 durability system

[covert topaz]

Mark modifies your off-hand reliquary to store a reference to the block or entity
Recall uses your off-hand reliquary to target the stored block or entity

[mystic crown]

Rune sensitive mark with a reliquary in an adjacent chest to set to the player who made the rune?

[unkempt pike]

Meaning in a custom scenario you could just apply the unbreakable attribute to a reliquary?

If u wanted an infinite reliquary

For a minigame

[covert topaz]

Yeah, by default a player uses 100%, entity 25% and block 5%

It also applies an effect "Marked" to a player, which if dispelled unbinds the reliquary

or changing dimension will unbind it

[mystic crown]

Do they break on use? Or just go blank?

[covert topaz]

They break on use, unbind makes it blank

[mystic crown]

Still could set a bunch of them to yourself, load up the minigame, then be able to request specific status depending on what you pick up

[unkempt pike]

No sensitive right? If u want it using the chest?

[mystic crown]

Run over a pressure plate, pick up a gold nugget, haversack to processing says that Zieg gets hit with an infuse spell using speed

Uses up one of the 64 reliquaries I made before the game

[unkempt pike]

Much fun

[mystic crown]

I was trying to think of a way to remotely set a reliquary. Sensitive rune to be the player casting mark, and then using the chest to hold the reliquary to mark

[unkempt pike]

Paintball game could use uhh is it that applies glowing to entities?

I can't remember if that respects spell color

I remember a feature request

[mystic crown]

I was originally thinking colored fireworks casting from a spell gem, so mana regen numbers don't come into play

[unkempt pike]

Ooooh I understand

[mystic crown]

But the flask cannon is a fun sounding idea

[unkempt pike]

Each player has to set their own rune

[mystic crown]

Yeah

[unkempt pike]

Makes sense

Flask cannon would be hilarious

[mystic crown]

As well as each player setting up rune sensitive pickup

[unkempt pike]

Mmhm

[mystic crown]

To send items to themselves mid game

But the haversack could work as a good system for triggering those effects

[unkempt pike]

Have item dispensers of some sort(ars or vanilla) scattered around the arena

Refill dispensers, buff dispensers

[mystic crown]

Could even do something like a 4 player race. Player 2 picks up a turtle shell (scute) and that triggers slowness effects on everyone else

[unkempt pike]

This sounds like a ton of fun lol

[mystic crown]

Means that dispensers throughout the race only need restocked with easy to get stackable items instead of like 9 speed potions before needing filled

[unkempt pike]

Mmhm

[mystic crown]

But yeah. New uses for haversack.

Point collection,
Per-player signaling/triggering

Not exactly standard survival uses, granted

[unkempt pike]

Ngl I completely forgot that's how this started

[mystic crown]

I was trying to bring it, if not on track, at least parallel to the track

I like the potion cannon concept here. Have a 10 second reload time

Fully isolated from player mana

Need a way to split your ammo flask from the opponent though. So when I kill you with a splash harming, that your gun and ammo return to your spawn

[covert topaz]

Imbued Spell Parchment, spell gems no longer exist

[mystic crown]

Ah. Right

It's been a while since I've even been on my computer

Even with the spell parchment, you could do something where you have 10 shots. Anything more than that you have to pick up. But the items on the map are just iron nuggets, so all imbued spell parchments are just at the holding area. No need to refill dispensers in the arena

Player 1 picks up a nugget, they get 10 more shots

Helps for between game logistics and refilling

[unkempt pike]

Arsplatoon

[mystic crown]

T2 reusable warp scroll. Sensitive rune of exchange. Have an item named "go home". When you pick it up, it triggers the exchange rune to pull you home

Again the advantage here is it's just a q to get back instead of opening a lectern interface, then sending the item through

Wait a second

Touch rune sensitive pickup

Would itself be a pickup for the haversack

Which means (assuming you have the allow list set properly) the items would never be sent to you. They'd go to their destination

So you'd use your own inventory as merely a passthrough. And could effectively send from anywhere (loaded) to anywhere else (loaded)

Including cross dimension

I don't actually have a use here. Because it also means you as a player could never pick up whatever items were routing through you

So for instance I wouldn't set it for gravel to go crush to sand, because it would mean I can't pick up gravel

Could set it to blazing archwood. To auto send the logs to a volcanic array. And just never be allowed to pick up blazing logs. Generally I don't have those two setups far from each other though

[unkempt pike]

It has a mode to disable auto pickup I think

So you'd just have to disable that, grab your gravel, enable

It won't transfer the gravel that's already in your inventory

Same as void jar there

Would like to see that on a hotkey as well as sneak right click

Maybe not feasible here since you could have multiple haversacks I guess

(hotkey)

[mystic crown]

Even so. My thought is that if I'm automating my base, I don't really know when a stack of gravel is going to need crushed to sand. So I'd disable it and then immediately get like 5 stacks of gravel

And anything else that was scheduled to go get crushed

It's definitely not a great use case, handy haverstarby would definitely be the better option here. But this is technically feasible with current options

[vestal fern]

Btw, since im alrdy here, I love Additions. the Structures are awesome, and i love the Numeric Charm, great work ❤️

[covert topaz]

Numeric Charm is from #1019845252426776616, but thank you for the structure complements

[vestal fern]

ah rip, well if its any good, i love the Codexs more then the charm xD

i do love the Structures tho, the Portals are neat, the Towers are a goodway to Travel, and the Library is the best

[civic yacht]

why conditions unmet

alright nevermind I wasnt clicking it with the clean hand right click, it worked

it just says that

[covert topaz]

Huh, strange probably a server/client sync issue

[errant trail]

I tried the "Locate Structure" tablet and it is just giving me the book and tablet back instead of using them

but when i used it with deepslate bricks now it worked

[covert topaz]

Are you on 1.21?

[errant trail]

yes

atm10

[covert topaz]

Arcane Library isn't in 1.21 yet, that's why it failed to find it

[errant trail]

oh ok😅

[unkempt pike]

Is there a message saying it failed to find it? Or does it just shoot the items back at you

[errant trail]

just shoots item back at me

[covert topaz]

I think it logs it in console, but not a chat message

[unkempt pike]

A message might be a nice touch, if the ritual was activated by a player

Which this one probably will be close to 100% of the time lol

[covert topaz]

Rituals don't keep track of players, but I could maybe send a message to all nearby players maybe

[unkempt pike]

Ah, I figured it would know if a player activated it or if a redstone pulse did lol, I c

Yeah that's tough

[covert topaz]

It's possible nowadays, I added the functionality for a ritual to see who started it

Yeah I'll refactor to do it

[unkempt pike]

Woop

[covert topaz]

They don't keep track of the player, just get a reference when the ritual is started

but all the locate stuff can be done in a single reference, so I can refactor

[unkempt pike]

Nice

Should be fairly rare that it fails but still nice to not leave the player confused why they just got their items back haha

[kindred crane]

Has the crash that happens when you try to use the scryer in the Nexus rooms been reported?

[kindred crane]

Also, the starbuncle amulet found in the nexus do not collect source berries

[covert topaz]

It has not, what MC version?

[kindred crane]

1.21.x

[covert topaz]

Did you try a hard reset?

[kindred crane]

Will try when I am back to my pc.

[covert topaz]

Ty

[kindred crane]

Even after I use dispel. THe Stabuncle does not automatically collect source berries when I assing a storage container

[covert topaz]

Strange, will have to investigate

[exotic elbow]

any progress on this? I'm going to chime in with another report of the same bug

[covert topaz]

It's fixed in the next update, just have to find time to polish the release

[exotic elbow]

oh good

thanks!

[open dragon]

@covert topaz this is for the new update

[pine bough]

🤔 I think this may be better place to ask than general and help - what does advanced dominion wand do? I don't see entry on it in the worn notebook only jei recipe

[covert topaz]

It allows you to bind a specific location and then link multiple things to that location sequentially

Instead of Lectern > Chest, Lectern > Chest, Lectern > Chest

You can do bind Lectern, Chest, Chest, Chest

[pine bough]

oh, I see, interestung

tyvm

[kindred crane]

I feel that the structurre generation could be tweaked a bit.
Seening a lot of floating portals and nexus towers on the ocean Speacilly on top of other strucutures

[covert topaz]

It uses ruined portal spawning currently until I can be bothered to write it from scratch

[meager lily]

Don't forget nexus trees spawning in the end too

[covert topaz]

They're supposed to

Nether is going to be enabled too at some point, but the spawning is harder

[meager lily]

Why

They dont fit

Why is there a tree in a hellish location or a tree in an endless void devoted from life

[covert topaz]

Hmm, I wonder why wizards would make outposts in an outer dimension with eldritch creatures to study

It's not like they've grown there naturally

[meager lily]

You saying this with one itsy bitsy problem, what happen to said wizards?, and the outpost growing "naturally" make no sense why its the same as the overworld design, it doesn't match the environment lore can only go so far if the aesthetic doesn't match it

[sand crater]

Perhaps the stone bricks of the Nexus get changed out for the appropriate bricks of whatever dimension they generate in?

(And the end ones should have smooth source stone for better color matching)

[sand crater]

They were saying that the outposts weren't grown naturally and were cultivated by the wizards. And asking what happened to the wizards is like asking what happened to the builders of desert temples or ocean monuments or end cities or nether fortresses.

And honestly I like the portals generating floating on the ocean. It makes it feel like the wizards conjured/pulled up chunks of terrain for their own convenience.

[covert topaz]

Yeah we may introduce dimensional variants, but it's not a high priority

[glossy ravine]

Well said

[meager lily]

It sounds like we both agree the outposts were conjured or constructed intentionally rather than naturally grown. But for wizards supposedly skilled enough to create outposts in such an alien, eldritch realm, woulddn’t it make sense for their structures to reflect that enviorment? The overworld aesthetic feels too "familiar" or out of place here, especially since we’re talking about wizards going into dimensions that are as dangerous as they are mysterious. When I ask about what happened to the wizards, it’s more about context than mystery. Unlike dessert temples or ocean monuments, where the environment and materials match, these outposts would stand out if they looked even a little more attuned to the eerie, alien surroundings. Right now, the overworld look breaks that immersion that was my main point

[meager lily]

I get the appeal of floating portals over the ocean it does feel conjured but imgine if the wizards creations truly mirrored the otherworldly environment around them It’d feel like they didnt just bring pieces of the overworld but actually harnessed or adapted the surroundings to fit their needs, which would feel way more authentic to the lore of an advanced wizardry rather then goofy chunk floating in vast emptiness of ocean

Til new dimensional varient get added to the mod i dont buy "wizards made these"

[sullen orchid]

nah, Wizards are known to let the minor details slip in their projects

something's gotta give lol

[meager lily]

Another point I’d like to add is that the End nexus tower contains nearly the same loot as the one in the Overworld, which suggests that the wizards’ studies yielded little to no new insights, as the knowledge stored in the outpost mirrors what’s already available in the Overworld

Which i wanna ask, is tier 2/3 codex unobtainable?

[meager lily]

known according to who?, wizards main idea is their intense knowledge and study of the arcane and sorcery

[sullen orchid]

intended for packmakers to use if they want

[sullen orchid]

all the members of the Ars test server lmao

[meager lily]

im talking about actual wizards (lore wise)

[sand crater]

Test Server Members are the ancient wizards of lore now lmao

[meager lily]

Not gonna bother with the lore then if that the case if any non fitting tree in other dimension spawn il blame it on the said ancient wizard then

i wonder if you could tamper with the mod file to disable them from spawning

i did do that with AE2 metoried and Apotheosis towers

[sullen orchid]

yeah, and they don't study aethetics with as much rigor...

like telling a back-end query person to build a good UI

[meager lily]

Yet somehow managed to rebuild exact replica of their overworld base

[sullen orchid]

they're a wizard with queries, but not at making things look good

[meager lily]

And their overworld base reflected their enviroemnt

That doesnt hold ground on what we are talking about right now

[sullen orchid]

yeah idk, I just don't think it's a big deal lol

I can make my lore fit with what the world has, no matter what it is

[meager lily]

Structurized lore is better then open ended lore imo, you could give Gandalf an ak 47 and say he made a gun conjuration spell but would that actuelly fit well? no imo

Magic is the world of endless possibilities, if you can imagine it you can make it, so you right you could fit anything in magical lore

Yk what il stop complaining and just make a spell to erase structures either with hexcasting/Rftoolbuilder/mahou/ars

problem fixed

[covert topaz]

As I've already said, it was added to the end dimension for functionality and will have dimensional variants in the future

[meager lily]

Im actuelly blind af

Sorry

I didnt read that

it looked like this to me when i was replying

[sullen orchid]

I just like to come in and mess with people when they're getting spicy lol

[meager lily]

This is you

[sullen orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269434493639462955/1270888908229705859/sculk_run.gif

no, this is me

[manic edge]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-he-just-like-he-just-like-me-fr-meme-gif-573734217303447410

[pseudo terrace]

CAn anyone explain how the locate ritual works? I put it on the pedestal and then add deep slate bricks and a wayfinder but it says conditions not met?

[unkempt pike]

Sometimes you can just right click empty hand and it will just run... Tho what structure are you trying to find?

I forget what deepslate looks for

[covert topaz]

The Wayfinder is in the ritual tablet, you don't need to add it separately

[fleet axle]

If i equip a Zombie with Armor and capture that zombie in a Jar, will the source spawner summon these armored zombies?

Or regular ones?

[covert topaz]

It should spawn armored ones unless edited by your modpack

[fleet axle]

Ohh imma have so much fun

[glossy ravine]

Would this also be true of Apotheosis bosses??

[fleet axle]

Jesus man..

[covert topaz]

Uncertain, possibly

I'm currently heavily questioning the nbt copy features

So it may be removed in future versions

Or reworked

[mystic crown]

Don't mind me, just copying donkeys with saddlebags

[fleet axle]

Just casually copying armor stands with full netherite...

[covert topaz]

It doesn't copy inventories over

[mystic crown]

Oh good

[covert topaz]

Armor stands aren't living entities

[mystic crown]

I accidentally made an item duplicator with thaumic horizons years ago

I just wanted dryads for ars magicka

[open dragon]

They are?

At least if you mean classwise

[covert topaz]

Going to need to double check it then

[bold flax]

In the large mansion how can I stop the mining fatigue from happening? I can't seem to find any boss or anything.

[covert topaz]

Discussed in #general-and-help

[fleet axle]

Java in the general chat we've been talking about a possible new feature of Ars Additions.
As you've already added the Spell scrolls which one can cast without mana, why not make trinkets/items which work similarly.

My suggestions:

1. Imbue a Wand/Staff/XYZ with a spell. This wand has a "Source Capacity" similar to how Energy Mod items have a "Electricity Capacity". It needs to be charged with source beforehand. It has upgrades which increases the max source capacity of the Wand.
   The imbued spell uses that source for every cast.

2. Wand which has an Inventory with 10 Slots. In each slot you can put in up to a stack of an already created and payed for Spell Scroll.
   This wand can rotate the chosen spells like the Spell Book can, but instead of mana it uses up the Spellscroll for the spell cast.

This addition would be extremely satisfying in grand modpacks, where every player focuses on a different playstyle. It'd allow the mage to give his lesser non-magical friends a way to taste the awesome power of a magician 😎

[covert topaz]

Just been discussing this in my discord, I'm not entirely sold on the idea, the basics of it exist in Ars Artifice but not in a way I like. I'd consider the rechargeable wand idea though.

[meager lily]

Just move spell gem to ars addition and rework them to trinkets or smthing nobody will notice

Btw when i say trinket i dont mean something you wear as curio slot, i mean to hold it in your hand and cast it

[covert topaz]

Yeah i don't like that

[meager lily]

Also dont forget that in order to make Said trinkets you already have to have the spell book and as of now

there is no way to automate imbueding spells

[covert topaz]

Yes there is

In Ars Additions

[meager lily]

How

[covert topaz]

You mean scribing spells?

[open dragon]

There is a recipe to scribe a blank parchment from a spell parchment

[covert topaz]

Put a parchment in an imbuement chamber with a spellbook or parchment on a pedestal

[open dragon]

Pair it with AA autocraft

[covert topaz]

No need for it, just put parchment into an imbuement chamber with the spell on a pedestal

[meager lily]

And how can i imbued them into spell gem automatically

Cuz il just use these for now

[covert topaz]

Oh for spell Gems it's not available

Nothing works for Artifice, it's abandoned

[meager lily]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-19105479

[meager lily]

Wait is ars artifice open source?

[unkempt pike]

All ars add-ons must be

[covert topaz]

Yep

[fleet axle]

Thats what i meant with the second suggestion here #1207058223421595749 message

just let us put these parchments into the slots and cast the spells this way

[covert topaz]

I don't like that solution because then it eliminates the cast time with no ongoing cost. There's no point having an item just to store the scrolls when the scrolls stack to 64 anyway

[fleet axle]

Not necessarily. There can still be a cast time on said wand, and it would make the parchments much more practical to use.
Cuz if the wand has 10 different slots with 10x64 parchments, that would mean u saved 9 inventory places and could switch around your parchments much more efficiently

Maybe i just have a different idea in my head. For me it just sounds practical and fun, but i guess perspectives differ

[sullen orchid]

sounds like you want a magic gun that takes spell bullets and has a fire selector lol

at least that's what pops in my mind, a stick that takes a bunch of consumable spells

[covert topaz]

Storing multiple parchment is a different idea yeah, but i don't really see the appeal for it with most players

[fleet axle]

In essence. But a gun implies just projectile spells, which is not what i had envisioned

[sullen orchid]

it does make me think of the Origin idea, the Artificer origin that is unable to cast from a spellbook but has to use the various casting items

[fleet axle]

I just love the dnd vibes. A magic wand with x spell charges. Also, you can swap to other spells which also has y charges

Wanna recharge? Go to the local wizard!

[covert topaz]

I do think your solution would be the best way to implement the spell gun idea in Additions, but I'm not sure if it would be worth the implementation time

The imbued spell scrolls already mimic spell scrolls from D&D

[fleet axle]

Ye I'm aware. If we already have scrolls, why not charged wands too

[fleet axle]

Yea if the end result is not worth the trouble for you, then i understand. I can't speak for the majority of users here, but for me personally it'd be a great addition

[covert topaz]

I just think I don't see the use case

Why would one use that over the parchments?

Or the parchments over that?

[fleet axle]

Here's my view:

1. Makes parchments more usable. Its inventory clumping having dozens of different parchments.
2. Great help in multiplayer. Being able to provide non-magical friends a single item with multiple uses is much more practical than dozens of scrolls
3. Would aesthetically be similar to the base spell book. But instead of mana, it'd use charges. Would encourage a artificer like gameplay

Look at the Mod Mahou Tsukai as an example. It has a gauntlet, the name of which i cant remember rn, which can store scrolls. The scrolls can also be used without the gauntlet, but it has become such a main part of the mod, i don't think anyone is leaving the house without their gauntlet being loaded with their go-to spells

[covert topaz]

Hmm, I see the appeal, but I don't want to just replace imbued spell parchments

[fleet axle]

It won't replace it. It'll enhance it

[covert topaz]

But it replaces it use

Makes it a meta item, one that is only made to make another, instead of an actual used item

[fleet axle]

It replaces its use in cases where it's tedious to use it, true

The thing is, there are millions of spell combinations and only limited amount of slots to be loaded in the wand

The wand can and will replace the casting of these ~10 parchment spells. But not anything beyond that

Also, the parchments are still as useful for automation

Look at it this way: Nobody is gonna use Projectile->Harm as spell parchments. Now with this Wand, it'd get a use

[manic edge]

yo

a spell gun would be cool

but if you're concerned

make a railgun type item with a clear cooldown on use

[fleet axle]

Parchments which would never be created before will now be used this way, and other parchments which people only carried around a few with anyways would still get their classical use without the wand. Noone wants to clutter the precious spell slots with a parchment that bas only 3 uses anyways. Itll be reserved for something cooler. Like the throngler-parchment.

[covert topaz]

The whole point of parchments is to sell common use spells to people who wouldn't otherwise get into Ars, they're not intended to be used by people who would carry spellbooks

[fleet axle]

And Dynamite wasn't intended to be used in war

But now that its out there, people are using it differently from the creators vision

https://youtu.be/WLjr3dzOUpQ?t=7&si=oCRMdqhtKkuXDlst

[covert topaz]

Perhaps, but I don't have to implement dynamite to be used in war

[fleet axle]

The parchments are the dynamite in this metaphor.
But well. Cant force a guy to do things he doesn't want. Was worth a suggestion!

Still hope you think about it tho

[meager lily]

If you go to ars addition server i wrote whole MULTIPLE paragraph about why adding something like this is a good idea, sadly he stand firmly with what he believe and i respect it as its his mod at the end of the day

Tho i wonder how hard to implement something like this as a noob java dev

Might work something out by copy pasting the spell gem code and remove cast time

[fleet axle]

If u scroll up u can see me write multiple paragraphs aswell on why its a great idea!

Thinking the same. Gonna learn java and add this

[fleet axle]

Cant be THAT hard to mostly copy paste code, right?

[meager lily]

Maybe

[meager lily]

i recommend that

[covert topaz]

I haven't opposed the spell gun idea, I just need more thoughts on the exact mechanic and usage

[meager lily]

Actual gun?

Or just a name for now cuz i dont think a gun would fit with ars aesthetic

[covert topaz]

Just a name for now

[meager lily]

Btw

Currently im trying out spell gem in survival and im loving everything about them EXCEPT the cast time(that doesnt scale with mana cost btw, this system only work on spell parachment)

Wish you make something like that

The cost currently is, source gem block, source item, parachment, mending book, unbreaking enchanting

And is limited to 1000

[covert topaz]

I'm interested in the concept of the spell gun, but have a lot to figure out in terms of mechanics and how it fits with Ars

Spell Gems I don't like and won't reimplement

[meager lily]

How it work?

[covert topaz]

I'm open to the idea of a caster item that stores mana and has limited casts, but need to figure out how best to balance it

[meager lily]

even if you Make it cost nether star each cast i wouldnt mind it so long there is no cast time

[covert topaz]

What about crossbow style? Where you hold to charge it up, and then cast?

[meager lily]

You trolling me at this point ngl

[covert topaz]

I was asking if that's any better

[meager lily]

Make it same as if you are using spell book

Thats best casting time/charge time

[covert topaz]

Yeah, that's one reason I don't like the durability aspect. I fixed it with charms I think

[meager lily]

Uh i have a bug it doesnt allow you to cast something that is above

your mana amount

I gave my friend this gem with a 300 mana spell

⛓️ :plow:

[covert topaz]

There's lots of bugs, it's Artifice, not for discussion here

[meager lily]

So im guessing spell gem are abondend

[covert topaz]

Artifice is currently abandoned. If its updated it will be a rewrite

[hot lance]

Ars Artifice by Jarva

Ars Artifice focuses primarily on a new Artificing mechanic, allowing players to create curios that automatically cast spells when certain events effect the player

Supported Versions

1.20.1, 1.19.2

Last Updated

<t:1702328232:R>

Downloads

1,030,552

Issues

https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Artifice/issues

Source

https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Artifice

[covert topaz]

Last updated a year ago

[meager lily]

||it even used the durability without casting 😭 ||

Crazy mod

Oh well ig i have to learn java to make stuff like these

How do u even craft imbued spell parachment

[covert topaz]

You put a spell parchment in an imbuement chamber

With no pedestals nearby

Same as making a source gem

[meager lily]

Hmm

[covert topaz]

What version?

[meager lily]

1.20.1 latest addition version

1.6.7

[covert topaz]

Maybe I broke it

Will have to check

Can fix tomorrow

[meager lily]

How much do i pay you to make trinkets like hex casting for trinket shop

Name your price

[covert topaz]

10 million

[meager lily]

10 million source gem

Gotcha

What server you play on

[covert topaz]

I haven't played Minecraft since before Additions released

[meager lily]

Damn

Is it because of bug fixing?, or not enough time

[covert topaz]

Not been interested in playing, my friend group haven't been on MC, so not much point playing

[meager lily]

I hope your friends get the 2 week minecraft phase

[covert topaz]

Maybe, but I'm the one who makes the modpacks and sets up the servers, and I don't have time for it anymore

[fleet axle]

Same brother, same...

[meager lily]

okay i fixed the spell gem now it work better

[fleet axle]

Is it possible that the Source Spawner and Evokers are incompatible? Just tried it and the server crashed

[covert topaz]

Send the log

[fleet axle]

dont think there is a log. I shouldn't have said that it crashed the server

the server is still running

but i got kicked out

Server says that im still ingame

[unkempt pike]

There is always a log... Latest.log is being logged to constantly, crash or not

If the server hasn't reset, send the latest.log from the logs folder there... Client log might be useful too but depends on if you closed the game completely or not which file you'd need there

[fleet axle]

i restarted the server. Ill reproduce the bug and send

ok literally nothing in the logs

[07Nov2024 15:15:15.120] [Server thread/INFO] [Jade/]: Syncing config to Avalon1892 (b3f1cd2a-4f4a-4e7c-81c0-51f71691990e)
[07Nov2024 15:15:16.541] [Server thread/WARN] [net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer/]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 2014ms or 40 ticks behind
[07Nov2024 15:15:21.178] [Server thread/INFO] [APTweaks(Core)/]: [APTweaks:Core] ↑ Server load changed from VERY_LOW (avg. 2.583435535430908) to LOW (avg. 25.66347312927246)
[07Nov2024 15:15:22.427] [Server thread/INFO] [APTweaks(Core)/]: [APTweaks:Core] ↑ Level load for minecraft:overworld changed from VERY_LOW (avg. 12.29487511) to LOW (avg. 22.08693892)
[07Nov2024 15:15:58.679] [Server thread/INFO] [APTweaks(Core)/]: [APTweaks:Core] ↓ Server load changed from LOW (avg. 20.673402786254883) to VERY_LOW (avg. 19.138439178466797)
[07Nov2024 15:16:13.678] [Server thread/INFO] [APTweaks(Core)/]: [APTweaks:Core] ↑ Server load changed from VERY_LOW (avg. 19.138439178466797) to LOW (avg. 21.0006046295166)
[07Nov2024 15:16:28.678] [Server thread/INFO] [APTweaks(Core)/]: [APTweaks:Core] ↓ Server load changed from LOW (avg. 21.0006046295166) to VERY_LOW (avg. 19.169818878173828)
[07Nov2024 15:17:57.209] [Server thread/INFO] [do_a_barrel_roll/]: Client of Avalon1892 accepted server config.
[07Nov2024 15:17:58.678] [Server thread/INFO] [APTweaks(Core)/]: [APTweaks:Core] ↑ Server load changed from VERY_LOW (avg. 17.912935256958008) to LOW (avg. 20.756671905517578)
[07Nov2024 15:18:21.177] [Server thread/INFO] [APTweaks(Core)/]: [APTweaks:Core] ↓ Server load changed from LOW (avg. 20.015623092651367) to VERY_LOW (avg. 18.704872131347656)

Thats ALL there is after i logged in and got kicked out

Here is the console. It hastn even registered that i got kicked

[covert topaz]

Could be a client log, I'll try reproduce in my dev environment

[fleet axle]

I was using Polished Darkstone from "Forbidden and Arcanus" mod as the ground where they were supposed to spawn

[dense eagle]

Dumb question, how do you actually make a spell parchment

[fleet axle]

maybe its a conflict?

[fleet axle]

Inscribed Spell Parchment into an Imbuement Chamber

if it doesnt work, try placing a Pedestal with a Spell Book on it

[unkempt pike]

Spell parchment is made when you inscribe the blank parchment

There's no "recipe" for it

[dense eagle]

I am right clicking/shift right clicking on the parchment, with my spellbook in hand

it stays as a blank parchment

[unkempt pike]

Blank parchment is on a scribe table?

[dense eagle]

yup

[unkempt pike]

What version are you on

MC version

[dense eagle]

1.20.1

[unkempt pike]

When was the spell parchment recipe removed, jarva?

[covert topaz]

Additions doesn't do anything with that, put the parchment in an imbuement chamber with a spellbook on the pedestal

[fleet axle]

ok i tried it on regular ground now. Its definetly an incompability with Forbidden and Arcanus' Polished Darkstone

[covert topaz]

Interesting, can investigate, can't imagine why

[unkempt pike]

Still a spell parchment should be being made here right?

[dense eagle]

nope

no workie

[covert topaz]

Seems like it

What additions version?

[dense eagle]

we just have base Ars I think?

like no addons

[unkempt pike]

If you look up spell parchment in jei does it have a recipe?

Then you're lost

[covert topaz]

Then it's not related to here

[dense eagle]

no

it has no recipe

so reactive is uncraftable?

[covert topaz]

This is a discussion channel for the addon Ars Additions

[unkempt pike]

We can continue troubleshooting in #general-and-help

[dense eagle]

oh woops

My bad

[pine bough]

jei does not list spell parchment recipes but they are made with inscribing spell into blank parchment

[unkempt pike]

Yeah in older versions spell parchment had an actual recipe is why I asked

It wasn't automagic

[fleet axle]

k i now know the issue

If the spawner itself is surrounded by blocks, i get kicked out

like, i buried the spawner underground, put a jar on the ground itself and when the spawn was supposed to happen, it kicked me out

[covert topaz]

I need a client log

[fleet axle]

This?

[hot lance]

@fleet axle

:notepad_spiral: Log Sharing

Upload your log file to mclo.gs so that people can help easier, not everyone is on their PC all the time and having a easily formatted searchable link is much easier for debugging.

Where can I find my logs?

Go to your instance or .minecraft folder and upload the logs/latest.log file

How about crash reports?

Crash reports can be found in your instance or .minecraft folder under the crash-reports sub-folder. This is only made when a crash is registered, so if it doesn't exist that's fine.

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @covert topaz

[fleet axle]

https://api.mclo.gs/1/raw/zeLZ6lN

https://mclo.gs/zeLZ6lN

[covert topaz]

Can't see anything strange, will have to investigate then

[fleet axle]

yep, told you. Logs dont show anything here.

If u wanna recreate it, just bury the source spawner underground and cover the top

That should do it

[fleet axle]

I'm saddend to say that the Spawner does NOT spawn the Zombies with the Armor on which you gave them

[covert topaz]

Huh, it should afaik, another thing to investigate then

[fleet axle]

Im giving you so much work

[fleet axle]

even Vindicators are spawning without an Axe

[lucid plover]

Would it be possible to add a small floating island around the towers and ruined portals that spawn in the ocean biomes? Maybe do a call on one of the various rituals that spawn land and just have it do that automatically?

[spice pivot]

Is there any documentation on the whole warp nexus stuff? I'm not sure if they are just places you can carry scrolls to warp to or if I can link up with the nexus and such

[covert topaz]

Place the scroll inside it, then right click it and use the menu to select where to teleport

[pine bough]

from my own experimentation it seems that is you put it stabilized warp scroll, teleporting will cost source from a nearby jar, no clue on pull range tho

[covert topaz]

Only if you move the Warp Nexus

Teleporting is free from the towers

[pine bough]

that makes sense I did move that nexus 🙂

[fleet axle]

So they're basically source powered warp scroll Waystones

Pretty cool

[unkempt pike]

You can rename the scroll before putting it in the Nexus as well so it shows up as a name instead of coords

[sick cradle]

Question: How do you actually use the warp nexus? I can pull the scroll out of it, but no other method of clicking on it does anything besides opening the tooltip how to apply a scroll?

[covert topaz]

Shift right click with an empty hand, and it'll open an inventory, then you can put the scroll inside and teleport to it

[slow falcon]

How can i enable all Codex entrys to spawn? with a custom weight

[covert topaz]

You have to add them to loot tables yourself

You can use a datapack

[slow falcon]

can u send me pls?

[covert topaz]

I don't have one available

You'll need to make it

[fleet axle]

any news on the spawner bugs?

[manic edge]

oh yea

[covert topaz]

Not yet, haven't had a chance to work on the addon for a while

[fleet axle]

dang. Need that to finish the dungeon for my friends

any approximate eta?

[unkempt pike]

[quartz totem]

Guys how do I use the tablet of locate structure? It says i need to use the wayfinder but how?

[covert topaz]

The wayfinder is used in the crafting recipe

Check JEI for the tablets uses

[quartz totem]

Thats the problem, im playing in craftoria and it doesnt show the recipes : /

maybe its a bug

but thanks for the help

[covert topaz]

It should show if you press U on the tablet

[quartz totem]

I repaired my client and now it is working as it should, but appreciate it anyways

[spice pivot]

how is the stable warp index supposed to function because right now it just feels like a long range access to a lectern thing, which is confusing

[covert topaz]

That's exactly what it is

[spice pivot]

ahh the "warp" part confused me

[covert topaz]

It warps items to and from your storage

[spice pivot]

that is a valid use of the term. Wait, what does the warp index that is not stable not do that it does?

[covert topaz]

An index is something used to organise items

Stable allows cross dimension

Same with Stabilized Warp Scroll

[steep relic]

how do you enable things that are disabled? I just want to be able to use the Arcane Permanence ritual

[covert topaz]

Common config file

[steep relic]

where is that located? I dont see anything about it in the Ars Additions folder in my servers config folder

[covert topaz]

It's in the base config folder

Not specifically ars_additions, that's only for glyph config

[steep relic]

oh. I see.

yeah, used ctrl-f in the base folder and found it. Thanks!

[spice pivot]

Are ender source jars able to be personalized? It's weird being on a server and everyone is sharing the one source jar we can keep full for portability

[covert topaz]

That's not normal, they use the UUID of the player who places then

[spice pivot]

ahhh okay. I think we were just mistaken then. That's a great way to track it!

[covert topaz]

Let me know if you experience anything different

[spice pivot]

I will keep an eye out!

[ripe nebula]

sorry to ask but is there currently a way to craft imbued spell parchment? I'm trying but the imbuement chamber is saying "no recipe"

[covert topaz]

Make sure you're on latest, if not it may be broken

What minecraft version?

[ripe nebula]

1.20.1

[hot lance]

Ars Additions by Jarva

An Ars Nouveau addon focused on immersion and quality of life improvements

Supported Versions

1.21.1, 1.20.1, 1.19.2

Last Updated

<t:1730454374:R>

Downloads

1,643,577

Issues

https://discord.com/invite/kxUxmhQguE

Source

https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Additions

[covert topaz]

1.6.7 is latest

[ripe nebula]

That is what I'm on! Sadly no recipe, not even in JEI.

I figured that'd be because spell parchment is, weird, but still.

Just to clarify, what's the intended process? I wanna make sure it's not a mistake on my end.

[covert topaz]

For imbued, it would be no pedestals, just putting a spell parchment in the imbuement chamber

[ripe nebula]

It's saying no recipe found, yep

[covert topaz]

I fixed it on 1.21 recently, need to double check 1.20.1

[ripe nebula]

I'll check with just ars and additions

Yeah even with just those two and the requirements it's bugged for me.

[covert topaz]

That's all good, I'll fix it for the next release

[fleet axle]

problem with the parchments is, there is no recipe in JEI but also nothing in the Ars book about it

in 1.20.1 its a guessing game how to craft it

[covert topaz]

It should have a page in the guide book, I'll double check that also

[ripe nebula]

Just for the record i made an instance in 1.21.1 too just to test it and there's no recipe there either.

[covert topaz]

On 21.1.4?

[ripe nebula]

Not at the computer so i can't check but I believe so.

Sorry if i can't be much help- at work and on break rn, gotta get back to that soon.

[covert topaz]

All good, I'll check when I get to my PC, hopefully in the next few days

[fleet axle]

hmm i cant seem to be able to interact with the Warp Nexus inventory anymore

i do Crouch Rightclick, the animation of interaction happens, but the inventory of the nexus doesnt open

[manic edge]

yea

[unkempt pike]

I noticed this a bit last night but didnt have time to look further

[covert topaz]

Do you have empty mainhand and offhand?

[unkempt pike]

Oh I would have had a torch in offband, and I would have had the Nexus scroll that came from it lol

In main hand

What causes that issue btw? This has always been an issue in modded, but sometimes it's not an issue accessing whatever inventory or gui

Curious why, for example, I can open the lectern GUI just fine with items in both hands, but I cannot open the Nexus gui

[covert topaz]

I have no idea honestly, i need to take a look at the difference, it's been on my list for a while

[unkempt pike]

Idk how this is my first time asking that question, been an issue my entire modded mc career lol

[fleet axle]

yep that fixed it. Didnt even realize but there was a blue Lightsaber in my offhand

thanks

[manic edge]

Huh

[north valve]

@covert topaz I have a question, would it be too much to request for the 1.20.1 and up version of this mod the capability to use the Reliquary in Curios slots?

Just asking

[meager lily]

Why do you need reliquary to be on curio?

[fair robin]

also doesn't need to be added by the mod explicitly if you're using curios and kubejs:

[unkempt pike]

Does it work from here tho?

[fair robin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unkempt pike]

Usually a bit of code is needed to make things work from curio slots... The tag is good for letting curios work in other slots tho

[fair robin]

i didn't dig that deep, seems like a very specific request

[unkempt pike]

Also don't even need kube for that, a basic datapack would work too xD, kube does make it quicker and easier tho

[open dragon]

You can put anything in a curio slot with a datapack, but won't do anything unless it's coded to

[ripe nebula]

This would actually open up some fun possibilities like remote warp scroll shenanigans

[meager lily]

You can already do that with a turret

[ripe nebula]

Hhhow? I mean like, having a warp scroll to a kill chamber, and using a reliquary to teleport people to it without even looking at them.

[meager lily]

You have a reliquary and a turret with Then put a chest next to the turret, with reliquary being on second or last slot, and the warp scroll on first slot

This will cast blink on reliquary target tping them to the warp scroll location

[ripe nebula]

Wait turrets can use reliquaries??

[meager lily]

Yeah

[ripe nebula]

I did Not Know That

[meager lily]

You can do a lot of silly stuff with it

[north valve]

I see

[north valve]

Mainly because I tend to use Mark and Recall alongside it for automation and it'd be easier to manage if the Reliquary was a curio instead of an item held in the offhand

[north valve]

I never thought that Reliquary could be used on Turrets.

That makes my life so much easier TwT

[north valve]

Can it only be used for warp scrolls or can any spell scroll be used with it?

[meager lily]

Any spell work

Yeah having reliquary on turrets is such an amazing feature, im so glad jarva added it

[meager lily]

You can also make wireless redstone using reliquary +

From there possability are endless

[north valve]

https://tenor.com/view/beautiful-dear-god-its-beautiful-dear-god-its-beautiful-mugatu-gif-5200044

[meager lily]

Also since you said you using it for automation i recommend you checking the config and there you can lower how much durabiltiy it cost to cast it on a location rather then on an entity or a player, you can even disable the durability cost fully

[north valve]

Is the Reliquary enchantable since I might have an idea of what to do.

[meager lily]

Yes

Unbreaking work on it

iirc

[covert topaz]

Yeah, that'll be patched soon

[north valve]

Then with this treasure I summon....

Eternal Stella from F&A

[meager lily]

[north valve]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-meme-gif-26978290

[meager lily]

Its not hurting anyone

Keep it

Nobody complained about reliquary being enchantable

[north valve]

https://tenor.com/view/agreed-will-ferrell-anchorman-gif-5016662

[north valve]

https://tenor.com/view/precisely-my-point-tom-ellis-lucifer-morningstar-lucifer-exactly-my-point-gif-17399470

[covert topaz]

It's pointless, if people want to make it more durable, they can change the config options.

[meager lily]

Also this will brick my starby system of mending reliquaries recharging

[meager lily]

I HEAVILY disagree, this way is much better then config

• its not eternal

[covert topaz]

It's not intended to be

[meager lily]

Make it a feature comn

[covert topaz]

Eternal Stella is a pain in the ass from a mod dev standpoint

[meager lily]

Well thats not reliquary fault tho, also i dont mind banishing eternal stella just not unbreaking and mending

For me i think its balance cuz im using 2 sources to keep reliquary running, source jar and XP jars

Good Price For Good Outcome that is not setup and leave

[north valve]

Meanwhile I'm using Eternal Stella+ Reliquary only for minimal things, like setting up teleporters around my bases without having to deal with repairing the Reliquary every time.

[meager lily]

I like the repairing system duo to XP in server i play on very valuable

It keep the economy running

[covert topaz]

I'd consider the mending route

[meager lily]

If you have sophsticated storage + create CEI, you can make starbuncle take damaged reliquary and repair it and put it back

[meager lily]

Thank you

[covert topaz]

Problem is there's not really any easy way to blacklist it from other sources like the evilcraft repair chest

[meager lily]

Again thats not reliquary fault

[sullen orchid]

honestly I'd move away from durability to a bespoke system that doesn't interact with that stuff at all

[covert topaz]

It's not but it's something I want to avoid the interaction for

[north valve]

You're keeping the economy running and I'm keeping the transportation running since I won't forget how many times a recal+blink effect helped me to get from one place to another or do the tedious work of teleporting entities since it's more practical than using the Entity cage from F&A

[sullen orchid]

using durability for a limited thing in modded is a mistake because of how many things just circumvent it

[covert topaz]

This is what Charms do, they display as durability but can't be affected by mending or repair

[meager lily]

Because durability are flawed system in my opinion

[meager lily]

I love charm cuz they still able to recharge

Aka repair

[covert topaz]

They have an intended method to recharge them yes

[sullen orchid]

so making an intentional recharge system for the reliquaries might be the path to go, rather than the cludge of mending

[meager lily]

I don't mind that so long its not tedious

[north valve]

Or the ability to turn the Reliquary into a charm (but with the twist of needing a somewhat hard recipe) so that it can be more easier to use + being chargeable with source.

[meager lily]

Stable reliquary

[sullen orchid]

require heart of the sea

[meager lily]

Get out

[covert topaz]

Charms in Additions are defensive magic

[meager lily]

Btw when will compact magic dimension be a thing?

[covert topaz]

When I have time

[meager lily]

I think im gonna use them for complax reliquary systems ngl

[sullen orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-get-to-it-eventually-sb-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-quotes-gif-4332632050881363980

[north valve]

I had another idea.

Four Source Gems in the corners.

One unstable reliquary in the centre.

Two Netherite ingots on left and right sides.

One Wilden Tribute on the middle top.

One nether star at the bottom middle.

[meager lily]

thats a one way to make the item completely obsolete

They need to hire you for ATM11 star recipe

[north valve]

Compact Magic Dimension?

[meager lily]

Jarva thinking of making a magic item similar to hyperbox and compact machine if you know these

A block that you right click to enter a dimension that is 10x10x10 iirc

[north valve]

Heck no, I still have PTSD from L2 Hostility's Terraria like recipes.

[north valve]

There are two mods for it on 1.20.1

[meager lily]

Yes

But not 1.21

And i kinda dont wanna add more mods, anytime a mod that can do multiple other mods job is a huge W for me

[covert topaz]

Compact Machines only just got updated

It's on 1.21 and 1.20.1 too now

And there's also hyperbox

[meager lily]

Thats why i love Ars a lot, with enough tomfoolery you can do what other mods can but mid

And if you have enough reSOURCE you can make it do it better then other mods even

[covert topaz]

This is lower on my list than procedural dungeon dimension though

[meager lily]

The what

RogueLike??

[covert topaz]

Kinda? Dimension with dungeon rooms to explore

[meager lily]

Will it be similar to vault hunter or blood magic, as in will it have higher difficulty the longer you continue?

[covert topaz]

Ideally yes, but need to determine how

[meager lily]

I have 19 peoples on server that are Huuge fans of dungeon crawler, hearing entire dimension for dungeon will be awesome Afff

[covert topaz]

It's a long way away though

[north valve]

Gives me Solo Leveling vibes

[meager lily]

Take your time, there is Sooo much you can do for procedural dungeon dimension, one of them is i wonder if you gonna add leveling system to the mobs spawn there

[covert topaz]

Unsure, it may be a standalone mod instead of Ars specific, but long list of things to come

I have to work on Ars Additions' first mob

Well, finish it

I have the mechanic working, just need to figure out how I want the player to interact with it

[meager lily]

So long you don't restrict on how player go by doing the dungeon, it gonna be successful af, would love a small structure like that lead to the dungeon dimension

[meager lily]

Does the chunkloading ritual work on create contraption similar to powerloader?

[covert topaz]

nope

[unkempt pike]

I remember talk of a chunk weather control block awhile back... Was that added?

[open dragon]

i surely get its logging while i have additions in dev env

but it's likely waiting being frogged

[unkempt pike]

Frogged

I see code it would use but don't see the block haha

Prolly still wip

[open dragon]

i imagine the frog needs to be restyled since goo's first draw and a block made, by jarva's artist

[covert topaz]

Very WIP currently

[unkempt pike]

This comment is why I ask, not exactly what they wanted here but would be an option https://github.com/EnigmaticaModpacks/Enigmatica10/issues/223#issuecomment-2495448190

[covert topaz]

I have the functionality working but I need to figure out the mechanics of how I want it to work

[unkempt pike]

Makes sense, not trying to rush or anything, that comment just made me go "hey, I think jarva was working on something like this for additions"

[sullen orchid]

I look forward to having an area with an unending thunderstorm

[unkempt pike]

Lol

[covert topaz]

Yeah I have no idea how I want the actual mechanic to work

[severe bridge]

Jarva, what should I be putting in the structure finder to find a structure by ID instead of Tag?

[covert topaz]

The locate structure ritual?

[severe bridge]

ya

[covert topaz]

https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Additions/blob/1.21.0/src/generated/resources/data/ars_additions/recipe/locate_structure/arcane_library.json

They all use ID instead of tag

[severe bridge]

oh, huh... wonder why this isn't working then

[covert topaz]

Show json

Only one that uses tag is wilden_den

[severe bridge]

oh hold on, I think I see what I did

copy paste always getting me in trouble

thought it was the tag thing because that's what it was last time 😄

[covert topaz]

What was it?

[severe bridge]

I copied my village entry, which is using tag

[covert topaz]

Ah yeah

[severe bridge]

yay, got my wayfinder 😄

[covert topaz]

Very nice

[kindred crane]

Accidentally used an exploration Scrool, and ended up in the middle of an anciant city

[severe bridge]

as one does 😄

[sullen orchid]

I'm not able to light the Archwood Sconces inside the big Library with my magelight spells. Works fine on the magelight lanterns around

[pine bough]

do you just click the spell or shift click the spell?

asking because from my experience sconces per type are not behaving consistently there and some require to be just right clicked and others will require shift+click

[sullen orchid]

I'm well aware of how they function and tried everything, they would not take a light spell. I'll try breaking and replacing them

[glossy ravine]

Try using Touch too

[covert topaz]

1.21?

[sullen orchid]

yeah 1.21.1

[covert topaz]

I suspect it's a data change between 1.21 and 1.20.1

[sullen orchid]

the magelight lanterns work fine, but I couldn't light any of the sconces in the library

[covert topaz]

Yeah, I'd imagine it's a data format change

[sullen orchid]

I'm taking suffocation damage every time I use a Warp Nexus as it places me inside the Warp Nexus at the destination

[severe bridge]

what's the range on the source spawner? same as a vanilla spawner?

[covert topaz]

What version are you on? I swear I fixed this

[covert topaz]

Yes, all numbers match vanilla

[sullen orchid]

newest

[severe bridge]

awesome thanks. I assume the jar just needs to be in the working area too?

[covert topaz]

5 blocks radius

[severe bridge]

great thanks!

[covert topaz]

Were the structures generated before you upgraded to latest?

Or before you grabbed the scrolls?

[sullen orchid]

maybe? I think I updated a day or so ago?

[covert topaz]

Yeah, the scrolls are set when they're extracted from the warp nexus

New scrolls shouldn't have the issue

[manic edge]

what happens if there are 2 jars with dif mobs>

just out of curiosity

[unkempt pike]

fairly sure it spawns mobs from any jars in its area

[covert topaz]

Yeah it'll grab up to 4 mobs from the area

[sullen orchid]

I do appreciate that the Library is big enough to fly around with elytra without worrying too much about hitting my head

[north valve]

Mending Reliquary system?

[meager lily]

starbuncle + sophisticated storage + CEI (Create Enchantment Industry) = "permanent reliquary" (as long as you have XP supply)

Sophisticated storage wouldn't be needed if starbuncles had better Filtering system imo

[north valve]

👀

[north valve]

Might do something similar, but with a fully upgraded Collosal Blood Chest from Evilcraft and the Unusing enchant

[meager lily]

If you have an item transporter that support NBT filters then yea

Sophisticated storage act as the brain for starbuncle

And i dont like repair system without cost, my fav repair system is create enchantment industiry, vanillia friendly, balanced, good speed repair

[north valve]

I'll still use sophisticated storage+starbunkle so the only annoying thing will be to automate Evilcraft a bit

Even though CEI will still be in the modpack (since I'm a sucker for Create contraptions) in case I can't automate EC Collosal Blood Chest

[meager lily]

i recommend going for CEI

its even faster

Then evilcraft chest

in term of repair

[lucid plover]

Are the libraries in place of vanilla mansions or are they their own spawn entirely?

[covert topaz]

Their own spawn

[lucid plover]

I went to a supposed library location using locate in creative but nothing was there, however I'm pretty sure a Hexerei hut and a Structory: Towers tower pushed it out.

[covert topaz]

What MC version?

[lucid plover]

1.20.1

I'm going through and testing by taking mods out since I'm not seeing any village totems for Vampirism.

sigh I didn't even have Vampirism installed in this one, forgot when I was adding the other stuff...

I'm using Structurify to see if I can tune back the Apotheosis towers, looking like that's WAY overspawning and pushing stuff out and not Structory: Towers.

[north valve]

I'll most definitely use CEI, although I'll still use Evilcraft for the Unusing enchant since it makes items unusable at 1 point of durability, which is pretty much mandatory in automatic repair machinery (since you don't lose the item that you want to repair unless it's either yeeted in cactus, lava, fire or void or it's blown to bits)

[north valve]

@covert topaz I have a question in regards to Ars Additions for 1.20.1

Let's just say I have a storage lectern system in the Overworld and another one in a pocket dimensions (since that's where my wixie progressing line is) so the only question is.... is there any way in Ars Additions in order to connect those storage lecterns or is that idea a lost cause?

[covert topaz]

Lost cause currently

[north valve]

Oh well then, I'll probably compromise by using the hyperbox mod in order to shove the wixie processing line in the midst of my storage lectern and have maybe another mod to do the disposal

@covert topaz also quick question, I know that the stabilized warp index can give interdimensional accessibility to the storage lectern system, but I have to ask, can it be filtered so that it automatically puts in your inventory (or draws out of it) specific items?

[north valve]

I'm asking since it'd make my ore processing part way easier

[covert topaz]

No, but the Handy Haversack does filter items into the linked inventory

In 1.6.7 it's currently broken, will be fixed in a couple weeks

[north valve]

Handy Haversack?

[covert topaz]

Handy Haversack is a one-directional ender deposit item that has an auto-deposit feature

[north valve]

Interesting

[kindred crane]

Found a crash bug
If you shift right on an item inside a chest from the ruined portal, the game crashes
https://pastebin.com/ZNfs83Rj

[kindred crane]

Also, game crashes when I try to pick a nexus scroll out of the WarpNexusTile
https://pastebin.com/cR7AJ4Xc

[lucid plover]

When you toss the scroll in the portal frame and it says "Structure found" does it mean just a set of coordinates it's going to use or is it supposedly looking for an actual structure that was generated during worldgen.

[covert topaz]

When you loot the scroll, it looks for the nearest undiscovered structure from a list of options, it takes some time and that message is sent once it finds a structure that matches the criteria

[lucid plover]

Thought so. I've been sent to just empty underground spots during testing but again this is with more than a handful of mods with other structures added.
I'm going to need to work on a datapack that greatly reduces those non-vanilla spawns or just delete them.

[kindred crane]

Yeah, I am certain now.
There is something on the Nexus Scrolls that crash the game the moment they are picked up by the player

[meager lily]

is there a way to disable NBT data on source spawner?

as in diamond armor mob dont spawn diamond armor mobs

[meager lily]

how to add blacklist mobs from spawning using the source spawner?

[covert topaz]

ars_additions:source_spawner_denylist

[meager lily]

Where can i find that?

[covert topaz]

ars_additions:source_spawner_nbt_blacklist

[covert topaz]

Entity type tag

[meager lily]

Huh?

elaborate please

[covert topaz]

It's a tag, you have to use kubejs or a datapack to add tags to the entity type, just like the drygmy blacklist

[meager lily]

Well... does it work server side kubejs?

[covert topaz]

Yeah

[meager lily]

Phew nice let me do that

[meager lily]

Do you have any js example on how would this look like?

[covert topaz]

It's just the same as adding to drygmy blacklist, but different tag

https://ars.guide/kubejs/tweaks/drygmy/#artifacts

[meager lily]

i assume i can use mod tag instead of adding one by one correct?

[covert topaz]

Correct

[meager lily]

ServerEvents.tags("entity_type", (event) => {
    event.add("ars_additions:source_spawner_denylist", [
      "@workers",
      "irons_spellbooks:archevoker",
    ]);
  });```

Is this correct?

I tried it and it doesnt work

[covert topaz]

What's @workers?

[meager lily]

its the mod ID

i tried # also didnt work

[covert topaz]

/workers:.+/

use that instead

[meager lily]

like this?

[covert topaz]

no ""

[meager lily]

like this?

[covert topaz]

Yep

[meager lily]

still

[covert topaz]

MC version?

[meager lily]

1.20.1

Forge : 47.3.11

[covert topaz]

Can you use /forge tag to output the entities in the tag?

[meager lily]

huh?

/forge tags forge:entity_data_serializers this?

[covert topaz]

Not certain on the command, but it should be /forge tags minecraft:entity_type or something like that

[meager lily]

and then get minecraft:workers?

thats what i get

[covert topaz]

No, the ars_additions tag

ars_additions:source_spawner_denylist

[meager lily]

i see

worker not there

[covert topaz]

Show logs

[meager lily]

do i leave the game

to send logs i assume?

[covert topaz]

Can do, it'll be something kubejs specific

[meager lily]

here you go

[covert topaz]

Can you do mclogs

[meager lily]

sure

https://mclo.gs/OVw8HYd

[covert topaz]

Try just restart your client and see if the tag is different

[meager lily]

wym?

well that worked

xd

this code it worked

they are all there thanks alot

[covert topaz]

Nice

[covert topaz]

When you reloaded, what did you do?

[meager lily]

i did kubejs server script reload

It turns out i needed full /reload

[covert topaz]

Yeah that'd do it

[unkempt pike]

Tbh, I'm not quite sure what kube script reload actually reloads... Both tag and recipe scripts need an actual /reload

[ocean lance]

Can someone help, I made a reliquary right, marked a friend and tried to use a rotate spell but the reliquary just disappeared and it doesnt cast the spell when i use recall

[covert topaz]

Can you show your usage?

[ocean lance]

It had no usage

it was freshly crafted, i used mark on my friend went back to my base giggling, had it in my offhand and used, mark -> rotate and it disappeared

so i tried again with it being used on a spell turret and it did the same thing and just disappeared

[unkempt pike]

recall rotate right?

[ocean lance]

yeah

after marking them

[covert topaz]

Rotate requires sensitive to effect players I believe

Reliquaries should break after one spell on players.

You can change that in the config file

[ocean lance]

Ahh alright okay, thank you

[manic edge]

oh nahhh

one-time spell use...

[unkempt pike]

Only against players

Otherwise it would be insane

You get much more uses recalling mobs and even more for blocks iirc

It's a durability system on the reliquary

[glossy ravine]

So would using Forbidden and Arcanus to make it unbreakable work?

[manic edge]

no i meant

it's REALLY

like a curse

oh my goood

i just had

the funniest idea