#Obsidian Railgun or RailSpell
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its insert ?
It's not.
ofk
Make sure you used the Place Block glyph
and not the Insert glyph
It's fine, it's an easy mixup to make
ok now its work
Lmao
I KNEW I WASNT CRAZY!
I made this variation for when i dont want to waste obsidian (or time recollecting it) Any tip?
3 amps is probably excessive, as velocity doesn't increase the damage of the block
only hardness is a factor
velocity just makes it easier to hit but more than 1 amp is overkill IMO
replace 2 amps with a second aoe so it makes a 3x3, which is easier to aim since it comes out centered from the point of origin
oh
from what i remember reading in ciscos (the block shaping knowledge that carries me today)
it said that it moving faster increased damage and kb
Is this better? (I add pierce instead of aoe because not a lot of mobs have a hitbox that big)
Reminding everyone in this thread
1 amplify deals almost as much damage as 2 amplifies.
Still, it may be worth using more than 2 amplifies as to not have to arc your shots
Yet too many amplifies just accentuate minecraft's wanky movement, which can lead to shots getting stuck on terrain or trees
since when?
as long as ive known. it is up to a cap
you can best see it point blank (editing the number of amps) or at range (distance decreases speed decreases damage)
atleast 1.19.2
thanks to ciscos
to telling me this knowledge
2 amps is a sweet spot
Damn ppl. Am I a ghost to you ;-;
Ur a graph
I wonder how this Will work with securitycraft reinforced blocks
Depends on their hardness
We need a graphbuncle graph compilation post
Honestly. Dunno if I really made as many graphs as people believe. At least that are posted on this server
Turns out. I've posted 10 graphs and 20 spreadsheets in my 2 year stay
Yea that’s a lot
you think that's a lot, those are just the finished, polished products. You probably don't want to see his files
Would Reinforced Deepslate do more damage technically?
Hi, I haven't read from the beginning until now, but I have an example that ends up being much better, without needing to jump and spending a little less mana.
Or this way, you wouldn't need the place block or the stock, and you could also elevate it directly in the direction you're looking.
Yeah. Most just use this version with
or 
H
fixes the jump issue
we know however only 121 has
so far
oh ok

also does
Do I still need the block shaping focus and obsidian in the off hand?
You do
The obsidian can be in the hot bar however
Thx!
so this may work
"may"?
What’s so fun about this combo is that it’s a tier 1 spell
yup
If only there were a way to increase hardness on a
-
and how its actually pretty good
at teaching the basics of blockshaping
I mean most block shaping spells tend to be a variation of this to be fair
went from barely doing any dmg to one tapping a person in full netherite with this spell
peak
we need a Viagra glyph
Yes officer, this profile right here.
well for the fertility part there's 
On my server, how could I disable this? I don't like people being able to one shot each other with it
Cat, people are going to try and one tap each other no matter what.
||or accidentally blow up an entire boss room in self defense (my bad)||
But you could always disable the 
Yeah but don't like it so I am going to disable every one shot I can
You know that you did that on purpose
Also you should join again
I meant to click Lava’s Bane. I clicked ‘z’ once extra.
Nah, I’m grinding Craftoria.
You literally said Al acbar
Before exploding
I clicked, game froze, I realized my mistake, committed to the bit, then exploded. I did not say it before clicking the spell.
If you say so
It
It was really funny though
i remember when i mixed up my dominion wand with my enchanter's wand of doom and despair and infinite kablooey that was fun
Sameeee
Hello, i'm using the Touch sensitive version of the rail gun, i've just noticed that if the mob is to near of me, it's just moving the mob and not launching the obsidian, any fix on that ?
(the version that get back the block)
Don't get to close
or use 
Don't have it on the version i am
well, then you gotta keep your distance
How does block shaper activate? Or work
Put the block shaper's focus in your focus curios slot or in your offhand while you cast, that's enough to "activate" it.
Basically it changes the spell to activate on every created block
Or affected block
Thanks @gloomy thicket @brazen dune
Ofc
Wait now that I think about it
Couldn’t you make a crazy smelting contraption with the shapers focus
but its fun to spam alex caves guano blocks
This doesn't work for me anyone know why?
Are you using block shaper focus
And send the spell ur using
me neither.
pantomime-sensitive-amp-insert-leap-amp-amp. don't have focus yet. let me try that first
some people...
The focus is what makes the spell work
got the focus, equipped it. still not working
ah... insert and place block are different.. i think this is where i went wrong
yes, both making the actual spell and using the focus that makes the spell work that you were explicitly told made the spell work are necessary to make the spell work
understandable confusion tbh
Also keep an eye out for accidentally using
instead of
, they look VERY similar and it's easy to click the wrong one
I KNEW INSERT WAS REAL
im new to this mod, is that an addon?
im dumb i found it
Pantomime vs Touch+Sensitive, is there any difference in terms of accuracy? Finding it hard to make the blocks go where they should especially in hallways
If you're not flying, overhead works really nicely
That’s why I use mechanical exoskeleton armour from t.o’s basically inbuilt elytra and inbuilt jet pack
Guys what’s the best version of the railgun spell
I use ars omega
I want something that can smack mod without me having to jump
I am irons hater
I hate on irons
Did you read more than 2 messages
The Magician's Railgun, created by Gweaven (Obsidian Railgun or RailSpell), uses the shaper's focus
to launch blocks at your enemies, dealing massive ammounts of damage
My prefered version is 



*3 , dealing 25 dmg
But the damage scales with block hardness, so launching obsidian (replacing
with
) deals 75 ish dmg

can be replaced with
in newer versions
Not even irons? It’s an irons addon and some of the t.o’s armour ability’s are insane to the point where they could be some of the best armour sets no matter the modpack
Ye it’s an irons addon so I extend to it
(I hate you fireward)
Any way to immediately destroy/pick up the obsidian after impact? Item pickup and break didn't work.
break needs 2? amps to break obsidian, item pickup should work, provided you are not trying to place block
one
one amp
break is already equive to iron
one amp makes it diamond
two would make it netherite teir
Trying to do it with an AoE version of the spell:






but the obsidian blocks stay where they land. Maybe it doesn't work when shooting multiple?



single block also doesn't break every time, just occasionally
THat's because you're placing the block and immediately trying to break it again. You need a
before breaking, and ideally a
after the delay and before breaking as well (if the block is still in motion then it can't be broen, and
stops it from moving)
Okay, cheers. Also seems like more amplify after leap does anything to increase the damage, at least.
snare was pretty costly in terms of mana unfortunately
Yeah at some point more speed just means more speed, not more damage. And actually too much speed can cause the blocks to glitch right through your target, missing them entirely
would pierce matter in this case?
something more like 







i think is what you meant?
Oh no you rwote launch, you were definitely meaning somethin very different lol
Lemme ask, why are you adding pierce/aoe? is the goal to just make a bigger/easier to aim block?
yes
or if there are multiple enemies of course
just hit more of them at the same time was the thought
And since you said
costs too much mana, i'm guessing you're probably T1 or T2?
Best solution to the mana problem is unlock every glyph
More glyphs = more mana & regen
But yeah, give mageblock instead of obsidian a try. It's 25 damage instead of 75, but it's also cheaper beacuse there's no ealing with breaking the mageblock at the end. 




x2 or x3
Or remove the
and just spam it
@abstract orbit
- Learn all the glyphs you can. By default each glyph gives you 15 mana and 0.33 mana regen.
- Enchant everything with Mana Boost and Mana Regen. Each level of Mana Boost will give you 25 mana. Each level of Mana Regen will give you 2 mana per second.
- Use an Amulet of Mana Boost or Amulet of Mana Regen. These provide 50 mana, and 3 mana regen respectively.
- Craft two Rings of Greater Discount, each of these reduce your spell cost by 20 mana.
- Upgrade your Spell Book to the highest tier you can. Each book tier grants you 50 mana and 1 mana regen.
- Put a Magic Capacity thread in the highest level slot that you can. This increases your max mana by 10% per level.
Please raise an issue with @agile pike
^^ Here's some info on how to get more mana and regen 🙂
Thanks 🙂
Happy to help
I was using the mageblock before, but the damage was lacking
yes
Sweet. Then try using either 
, maybe with some
after projectile for easier aiming. Lower damage, but very spammable and thus might be more dps per mana overall
I haven't been able to find rage gloves yet so the truly outrageous combos are still unusable for me unfortunately
is about 28 dps, but very spammable, yes
but I can maintain 120-ish dps with the obsidian railgun
For as long as you have obsidian in your hotbar, t least
But yeah, whichever works best for you 🙂
well, now I break it and pick it up
so should last me a good while
and I have tens of thousands of obsidian anytime available through my wireless terminal so should be fine on ammo 🙂
lol yeah doesn't sound like you're hurting for obsidian at all
Once you get more mana/regen (using all the tips in that post up above) you should be able to add back in 




while I've got you here, so helpful and all, mind if I ask if you know at what point you'd consider pivoting to something else than this? Seeing as I have Aethermancer gear and shock thread, is it at some point worth to use lightning based spells instead?
I'm using 


without the
right now, that makes it cost quite a bit less and the obsidian still breaks and is returned as long as I don't try to shoot very far or straight into the sky
Can be really good for multiple enemies because it has an electricity arc aoe
[discharge]
x2 by itself can be pretty nice
like Zap / improved Zap from here https://ars.guide/spells/combat/aggressive/?
Usually the best dps you can get are from lower damage, spammabe spells, rather than from a single high damage high cost spell
(unless you have iframe skip)
yeah, zap is great.
well, i prefer improved zap
sometimes i leave off the delay and everything after it so it's just ray->spark->discharge->amp x2, because more spammability
EDIT: you cn add
to discharge, too! to make the arcs bounce further
ray or projectile, your choice. Ray costs more but you have less chance of missing.
You could also do stuff with ⛓️ since you're T2, hitting mutiple enemies at once
(⛓️ = chaining glyph)
nice
oh and pro tip... you can unlock glyphs for T3 even if all you have is a T2 book. You can't use those glyphs, but you will get the mana/regen
and of course the goal is to be able to kill Dragon, Wither and such so that I can progress to T3 and beyond :p
so I need to be able to do enough damage for that at least
Obsidian railgun is great for wither
For wither I personally use ray->heal-as much amplification as my mana regen can handle
I haven't really done a lot of threads yet either, I have Warding, Spell power and Spell Capacity. From what I see there aren't many others that should affect my damage output, per say. Well, the elemental ones, of course.
I also understand that I need to do apo to really increase my output, right?
from what i recall apoheosis can help with ars spells yeah
Non-obvious combat threads are Starbuncle (more maneuverability), Whirlisprig (more healing from your food), and Wixie (more duration from your combat potions)
Right! Oh wow, you're being ever so helpful right now, thanks a lot
oh also Reach, further range with your sword
I want to ask you so much more but I'm afraid I'm derailing this thread significantly 😄
Let's head to #general-and-help
This may be worth a watch as well, depending on the modpack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVf25mVUtXY
Exploring Ars Nouveau featuring INFINITE health regen and mana regen as well as insta-killing mobs, and the reactive enchantment!
If you're having trouble with a spell, make sure to check the pinned comment!
If you have any questions about this video, or any minecraft related questions, feel free to join the discord and ask in my #minecraft-qa ...
you can also search for "Villager Phlactry" or something very similiar
but that doesn't solve the mana issue directly.
Yeah that’s definitely a more advanced setup, but if you’re good with technical stuff or good at following videos of other people’s builds you can get some extremely strong buffs like that
I usually do t recommend it to folks looking for more mana when there in T1 thru mid T3 range just because it’s a bit more of a late game setup that most will never need
And cause the usual mana tools are very accessible and make a big difference
that's also why I recommend the entire video, where he covers at the beginning various cost reduction means
his entire playlist for Ars is very informative and thought-provoking. I like how he shows building the desired effect in steps
so that if you want to take that left turn at Albaqueque, you can
Oh nice. I admit I didn't watch it, just briefly glanced at the video. I'll check his videos out and consider adding them to my list that I recommend to people when they ask for tutorials
it does center around ATM10, so keep that in mind
ahhh, ty
Boop
Where can I find the obsidian railgun spell combination
Scroll to the top and read the first page or two of messages, you’ll find a couple of variants in there
i like this one
My prefered version is 



*3 , dealing 25 dmg
But the damage scales with block hardness, so launching obsidian (replacing
with
) deals 75 ish dmg

can be replaced with
in newer versions
Ofc make sure you have block shaper focus
Been on my phone all day which makes it a pain to scroll to the top or use emoji, but my favorite is about a page down from the top. It uses pantomime-place block-leap-some amps-delay-snare-break-amp-pickup
Or if I’m using mageblocks, then the one maniac said
For tier 2 I also like pantomime or overhead or touch-sensitive followed by chain-mage block-leap-amp x3, more mage blocks makes it easier to aim
At a computer! Darkbuncle originally posted the obsidian version that I use #1141341426223960064 message (except I'm on 1.21 so I use
instead of 
and add another
onto leap)
Why doesn’t it work in 1.19.2
did you equip
?
I to have tried this and not working on a 1.20.1 pack, got the focus on, tired the various combos, got obsidan in hotbar and tried offhand none seem to be working. just posting these to make sure whats needed
what it does is grabs the mob and throws it behind me
youre too close to the mob i think
Tried around 2 blocks, 5-10 blocks and even 30 blocks snipes (tired proj instead touch ofc for snipes)
Could there be something config that a pack had disabled to make one these not work right? Playing Linggango atm and no rage glove so the normal goto spells not really useful XD
ok got it to work 50% the time and yes i have to be about 5+ blocks away
yea
places on the air block at the very edge of your range
Ah that explains it i have like 10 block reach atm -_-
got an issue where the spell shoots mageblocks but not obsidian, it is kinda my go-to every run so i am baffled about what i am doing wrong this time. I even put the full spell in instead of slimming down on amplifies and snares you dont need
default block reach
Yo what’s your modpack that you got Ars and Terramity to play nice??
i tried it with cobble, obsidian and ancient stone idk, i went with mage block because of the trinkets somehow making me still deal 60dmg with mageblocks
im playing on linggango modpack
i actually havent tried taking off every single trinket and then hittign it again
but i did check to make sure it wasnt an issue with block reach, but then it would be send the blocks i touch flying not from my inventory
A who
why not
tho?
because this thread was made before
was made
has "short distance" in its description
Oh lol
In 1.19
didn't aim vertically, only horizontally
Don't know about 1.21 tho
Yeah after some testing I think
is the best one and easiest to aim with
weird
i find using
insufferable because no verticalidy
What do you use then?
Oh wait nvm
Honestly it’s kind of a good thing
Easier to aim slightly up and such
Also I’m pretty sure knockback has a bit more force
theres something kinda funny about your words
you cant aim upwards with knockback
well the mod's too family friendly for that
god damn it
Is it possible to use the spikes from ars elemental as an alternative to obsidian?
If so how much damage does spikes do?
if the obsidian variant deals 80 or so, spike is not an alternative as its cap is 40 (but meant to be armor piercing)
the main problem is that it's treated as a falling dripstone in the dmg calc so straight shooting it probably results in low damage compared to making it fall on their head
Oh, I had hoped that they reworked the dmg system so that it just depends on the velocity in any direction, not just downwards
no it tries to make it behave exactly like a falling spike for compatibility
the fact that it ignores armor forced to set up the configurable dmg cap
in the tests it was very inconstistent between dealing little or an enormous amount, lol
Ohhh, it completely ignores armor? I thought it would just ignore a fraction of it. If so that damage cap is entirely valid
💔
nothing "partially ignores armor" because mc doesn't have a way to do that
even the new magefire is simply adding back part of the reduction
protection enchants are usually a separate calc so that might still apply
?? That’s a rather big flaw
Doesn’t a mace enchantment partially ignore armor though?
Or does it ignore it fully?
Yeah makes sense
the enchantment might be wired directly in the armor calc
yeah seems strictly tied to the weapon used and its enchantment
i wonder if that could be used for smth like a binder thread
It
Have you used knockback before
Atleast TRY the glyphs
this is so hypocritical coming from me considering how little I use other mods compared to ars
Anyways basically knockback applies a tiny bit of vertical force
I did remember?
season 6 before cat unsmote the leap glyph
i was constantly complaining
I think that’s a bit of an aiming issue on your part then
Sure you can’t shoot straight up but you don’t really need to
Because from experience (pelting cat with mageblocks) they did go up a bit
And consistently hit
Same with most mobs
it was a weird change
the issue being not that I could nt hit anything
i just coulnt snipe due to the basically fixed range
Oh then it’s an issue with being too use to leap aiming ig
Anyways basically it fires in sort of an arc
...now I'm kinda wondering like--
Could we make a 'mirv' railgun
Fire the shot, have it burst and explode the mageblocks outwards in all directions
like fire a set of mageblocks and then have them explode midair? or have a spell that resolves into that?
Ye. I did that in a world
Sort of a grenade
I lost the world, but i think the spell was:









Hey, this might be already asked, but I'm using the Pantomime/sensitive version of the spell ChosenArchitect showed off. When the spell is cast, it collides with the spot in the air and then nothing happens, only occurring it it hits a block that is there and then it launches that block, not obsidian.
You need obsidian in your hot bar
there is obsidian in my hot bar
Insert
Okay, thank you. I must've seen the icon and assume it was the same.
Yeah I made the same mistake recently 😭
That’s how I noticed
Cheers man x.x Saved me alot of stressing over it.
No it’s lowkey quite outdated
Tis lowkey it
The Magician's Railgun, created by Gweaven (https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1141341426223960064), uses the shaper's focus
to launch blocks at your enemies, dealing massive ammounts of damage
My prefered version is 



*3 , dealing 25 dmg
But the damage scales with block hardness, so launching obsidian (replacing
with
) deals 75 ish dmg

can be replaced with
in newer versions
Ye
But lategame obsidian is kinda worthless
So i just leave it to show off how i abuse mobs
True..
Even early game obsidian is worthless depending on the mod pack
oh shoot i already started crafting the first one
I set up a auto obsidian generator in like two days
Oop
this?
Yeah
for this is there anything else i need to do for the spell?
i acquired all the glyphs but it just places a block down
You need to equip a focus of block shaping in order for it to do damage
Interesting how it didn’t knock it back at all tho
Can I see your spell layout?
focus of block shaping? yeah i dont think i got that
You need it for the spell to work
Its base ars so you should have it unless your pack disabled it
the slimeballs are rlly hard to get
im nowhere near a swamp
if your modpack has create, theres other ways to get slime balls
check recipes in JEI
if i have it what should i do with it?
just right click or do i have to do something else
equip it in the curio menu
if i accidentally right clicked it
what would happen
nothing, that also equips it
now when you cast the railgun, it should work
Just check your curio menu
IT WORKS
i used it on a pig and that seemed to work finally
thx yall
i can switch it to obsidian cannon right
yea
with a spell yea
Saw this version in a youtube comment which seems similar:
Pantomime, sensitive, amplify, place block, leap, amplify, delay, break, amplify, item pickup
Any differences in utility here?
It's one updated for 121.1
It's more accurate and doesn't have a min range
shadow cloak relic?
that info is actually outdated now
the shadow cloak let you deal extra dmg while invisable
oh i see
besides just spamming amplify, is there another way to max out the dmg of obsidian railgun?
iirc adding more knockback/leap but i forget exactly
after amp and after using the hardest possible block you can still augment it with any ars spellpower and external mods
and depending on ur mods you could possibly use something with higher hardness than obsidian
this does not work
oh and also equipping air foci
I'm using ALOE which is very similar to valhelsia 6 if that helps
k thanks
dont you need block shaping foci
you can offhand foci
oh my god i didnt know that
(specifically elemental ones)
yeah i dont think its mentioned anywhere
would air threads help
yeh
presursse doesnt affect it
does it add spellpower or amplify
thats a different thing
oh right ars technica
anyways ive managed to make mageblocks 1 shot someone in full netherite diving gear with protection via 2 air foci (cat left a curio slot)
I would recommend checking out Bucketst's vid on it as it has changed signifigantly
hunters belt because funny 10 damage mageblock
thingo
(animated blocks are affected by it)
masterfull
relics got reworked
wait what did they do to hunters belt
I realize I can run 3 foci as my curio slot can hold one and my offhand slot too. But my curio slot is currently taken by a ring of greater discount
Should I replace it? Would it be better/more efficient
what is hunters belt normally supposed to do?
it increased pet damage by like 300 or 400% at max
what pet do you run, some kind of familiar?
so up to 500% (5x) damage
animated block
how do I get that
animate block glyph
it doesnt
its just my favorite relics relic and relics was mentioned
oh lmao
oh wait it might work with summon undead
...which has enchanted netherite weaponry at 4 amplifies
...and with a focus of summoning they have like strength 2 or 3 which is +6 or +9 damage
aka beeg damage :D
Damn didn't know they could be buffed so much
then that would be a valid alternative
