#Obsidian Railgun or RailSpell

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pure cosmos
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like Insert

umbral violet
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its insert ?

pure cosmos
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It's not.

umbral violet
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ofk

pure cosmos
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Make sure you used the Place Block glyph

umbral violet
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o fk

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XD

pure cosmos
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and not the Insert glyph

umbral violet
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its this

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srry im so dumb

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xD

pure cosmos
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It's fine, it's an easy mixup to make

umbral violet
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ok now its work

gloomy thicket
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Lmao

fossil slate
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I KNEW I WASNT CRAZY!

wet wagon
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I made this variation for when i dont want to waste obsidian (or time recollecting it) Any tip?

green rover
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only hardness is a factor

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velocity just makes it easier to hit but more than 1 amp is overkill IMO

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replace 2 amps with a second aoe so it makes a 3x3, which is easier to aim since it comes out centered from the point of origin

gloomy thicket
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velocity does increase the damage of the block

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three amps is optimal

hidden cloak
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from what i remember reading in ciscos (the block shaping knowledge that carries me today)

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it said that it moving faster increased damage and kb

wet wagon
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Is this better? (I add pierce instead of aoe because not a lot of mobs have a hitbox that big)

icy marsh
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Reminding everyone in this thread
1 amplify deals almost as much damage as 2 amplifies.

Still, it may be worth using more than 2 amplifies as to not have to arc your shots

Yet too many amplifies just accentuate minecraft's wanky movement, which can lead to shots getting stuck on terrain or trees

green rover
gloomy thicket
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as long as ive known. it is up to a cap
you can best see it point blank (editing the number of amps) or at range (distance decreases speed decreases damage)

green rover
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Yeah but the cap is super low

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This is to say post code or dmg test or gitout

hidden cloak
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thanks to ciscos

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to telling me this knowledge

steep mantle
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2 amps is a sweet spot

icy marsh
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Damn ppl. Am I a ghost to you ;-;

gloomy thicket
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Ur a graph

wet wagon
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I wonder how this Will work with securitycraft reinforced blocks

icy marsh
dark remnant
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I made a machine gun variation touch sensitive conjure_mageblock leap amplify

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Its very good early game

slate depot
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We need a graphbuncle graph compilation post

icy marsh
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Honestly. Dunno if I really made as many graphs as people believe. At least that are posted on this server

icy marsh
slate depot
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Yea that’s a lot

last mist
gloomy thicket
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now i do wanna see the graphbuncle file

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s

swift coyote
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Would Reinforced Deepslate do more damage technically?

cloud tangle
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Hi, I haven't read from the beginning until now, but I have an example that ends up being much better, without needing to jump and spending a little less mana.

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Or this way, you wouldn't need the place block or the stock, and you could also elevate it directly in the direction you're looking.

icy marsh
gloomy thicket
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H

zinc elm
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pantomime fixes the jump issue

gloomy thicket
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we know however only 121 has pantomime so far

zinc elm
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oh ok

polar pivot
gloomy thicket
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You do
The obsidian can be in the hot bar however

polar pivot
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Thx!

gloomy thicket
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Np

mild linden
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so this may work

gloomy thicket
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"may"?

slate depot
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What’s so fun about this combo is that it’s a tier 1 spell

gloomy thicket
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yup

slate depot
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If only there were a way to increase hardness on a conjure_mageblock -

hidden cloak
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at teaching the basics of blockshaping

slate depot
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I mean most block shaping spells tend to be a variation of this to be fair

strong tangle
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went from barely doing any dmg to one tapping a person in full netherite with this spell
peak

long tundra
safe cedar
crimson stream
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On my server, how could I disable this? I don't like people being able to one shot each other with it

long tundra
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Cat, people are going to try and one tap each other no matter what.

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||or accidentally blow up an entire boss room in self defense (my bad)||

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But you could always disable the shapers_focus

crimson stream
gloomy thicket
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Also you should join again

long tundra
long tundra
gloomy thicket
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Before exploding

long tundra
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I clicked, game froze, I realized my mistake, committed to the bit, then exploded. I did not say it before clicking the spell.

gloomy thicket
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It
It was really funny though

jade bronze
gloomy thicket
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Sameeee

sweet void
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Hello, i'm using the Touch sensitive version of the rail gun, i've just noticed that if the mob is to near of me, it's just moving the mob and not launching the obsidian, any fix on that ?

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(the version that get back the block)

sweet void
icy marsh
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well, then you gotta keep your distance

versed pivot
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How does block shaper activate? Or work

brazen dune
gloomy thicket
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Or affected block

versed pivot
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Thanks @gloomy thicket @brazen dune

gloomy thicket
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Ofc

slate depot
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Wait now that I think about it

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Couldn’t you make a crazy smelting contraption with the shapers focus

gloomy thicket
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Yea

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You can do so much more than yeeting shit at people with it

hidden cloak
peak forum
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This doesn't work for me anyone know why?

sonic sonnet
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And send the spell ur using

clear cosmos
sonic sonnet
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And make sure ur using shapers_focus

clear cosmos
steep mantle
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some people...

sonic sonnet
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The focus is what makes the spell work

clear cosmos
clear cosmos
pure cosmos
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yes, both making the actual spell and using the focus that makes the spell work that you were explicitly told made the spell work are necessary to make the spell work

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understandable confusion tbh

brazen dune
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Also keep an eye out for accidentally using pickup instead of place_block , they look VERY similar and it's easy to click the wrong one

undone crest
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im dumb i found it

abstract orbit
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Pantomime vs Touch+Sensitive, is there any difference in terms of accuracy? Finding it hard to make the blocks go where they should especially in hallways

pure cosmos
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If you're not flying, overhead works really nicely

bold pond
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That’s why I use mechanical exoskeleton armour from t.o’s basically inbuilt elytra and inbuilt jet pack

timber maple
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Guys what’s the best version of the railgun spell

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I use ars omega

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I want something that can smack mod without me having to jump

hidden cloak
hidden cloak
sonic sonnet
# timber maple Guys what’s the best version of the railgun spell

The Magician's Railgun, created by Gweaven (⁠Obsidian Railgun or RailSpell), uses the shaper's focus shapers_focus to launch blocks at your enemies, dealing massive ammounts of damage

My prefered version is touchsensitiveconjure_mageblockleapamplify *3 , dealing 25 dmg
But the damage scales with block hardness, so launching obsidian (replacing conjure_mageblock with place_block ) deals 75 ish dmg
touchsensitive can be replaced with pantomime in newer versions

bold pond
hidden cloak
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(I hate you fireward)

abstract orbit
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Any way to immediately destroy/pick up the obsidian after impact? Item pickup and break didn't work.

last mist
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break needs 2? amps to break obsidian, item pickup should work, provided you are not trying to place block

gloomy thicket
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one

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one amp

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break is already equive to iron
one amp makes it diamond
two would make it netherite teir

abstract orbit
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Trying to do it with an AoE version of the spell:
pantomime place_block aoe pierce leapamplifyamplifybreakamplifypickup
but the obsidian blocks stay where they land. Maybe it doesn't work when shooting multiple?

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pantomime place_block leapamplifybreakamplify pickup single block also doesn't break every time, just occasionally

brazen dune
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THat's because you're placing the block and immediately trying to break it again. You need a delay before breaking, and ideally a snare after the delay and before breaking as well (if the block is still in motion then it can't be broen, and snare stops it from moving)

abstract orbit
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Okay, cheers. Also seems like more amplify after leap does anything to increase the damage, at least.

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snare was pretty costly in terms of mana unfortunately

brazen dune
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Yeah at some point more speed just means more speed, not more damage. And actually too much speed can cause the blocks to glitch right through your target, missing them entirely

pure cosmos
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I'm gonna say if you want to aoe it

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tetris this nonsense

brazen dune
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I think that's missing some glyphs...

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and out of order?

abstract orbit
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would pierce matter in this case?

brazen dune
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something more like selfwallsensitivedelayrandomizeconjure_mageblockleapamplifyamplify i think is what you meant?

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Oh no you rwote launch, you were definitely meaning somethin very different lol

brazen dune
abstract orbit
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or if there are multiple enemies of course

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just hit more of them at the same time was the thought

brazen dune
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And since you said snare costs too much mana, i'm guessing you're probably T1 or T2?

abstract orbit
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T2

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with T4 armor

brazen dune
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Best solution to the mana problem is unlock every glyph

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More glyphs = more mana & regen

abstract orbit
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oh really

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I will have to do that then

brazen dune
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But yeah, give mageblock instead of obsidian a try. It's 25 damage instead of 75, but it's also cheaper beacuse there's no ealing with breaking the mageblock at the end. pantomimeconjure_mageblockaoepierceleapamplifyx2 or x3

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Or remove the aoe pierce and just spam it

tropic brambleBOT
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@abstract orbit

How do I get more mana?
  • Learn all the glyphs you can. By default each glyph gives you 15 mana and 0.33 mana regen.
  • Enchant everything with Mana Boost and Mana Regen. Each level of Mana Boost will give you 25 mana. Each level of Mana Regen will give you 2 mana per second.
  • Use an Amulet of Mana Boost or Amulet of Mana Regen. These provide 50 mana, and 3 mana regen respectively.
  • Craft two Rings of Greater Discount, each of these reduce your spell cost by 20 mana.
  • Upgrade your Spell Book to the highest tier you can. Each book tier grants you 50 mana and 1 mana regen.
  • Put a Magic Capacity thread in the highest level slot that you can. This increases your max mana by 10% per level.
Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @agile pike

brazen dune
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^^ Here's some info on how to get more mana and regen 🙂

abstract orbit
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Thanks 🙂

brazen dune
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Happy to help

abstract orbit
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I was using the mageblock before, but the damage was lacking

brazen dune
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ahh

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T4 armor, is it aethermancer?

abstract orbit
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yes

brazen dune
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Sweet. Then try using either projectilecut, maybe with some accelerate after projectile for easier aiming. Lower damage, but very spammable and thus might be more dps per mana overall

abstract orbit
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I haven't been able to find rage gloves yet so the truly outrageous combos are still unusable for me unfortunately

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projectile cut is about 28 dps, but very spammable, yes

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but I can maintain 120-ish dps with the obsidian railgun

brazen dune
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For as long as you have obsidian in your hotbar, t least

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But yeah, whichever works best for you 🙂

abstract orbit
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well, now I break it and pick it up

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so should last me a good while

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and I have tens of thousands of obsidian anytime available through my wireless terminal so should be fine on ammo 🙂

brazen dune
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lol yeah doesn't sound like you're hurting for obsidian at all

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Once you get more mana/regen (using all the tips in that post up above) you should be able to add back in delaysnarebreakamplifypickup

abstract orbit
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while I've got you here, so helpful and all, mind if I ask if you know at what point you'd consider pivoting to something else than this? Seeing as I have Aethermancer gear and shock thread, is it at some point worth to use lightning based spells instead?

brazen dune
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I am a big air spell fan

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I'd say try it now! Give discharge a try

abstract orbit
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I'm using delaybreakamplifypickup without the snare right now, that makes it cost quite a bit less and the obsidian still breaks and is returned as long as I don't try to shoot very far or straight into the sky

brazen dune
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Can be really good for multiple enemies because it has an electricity arc aoe

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[discharge]amplifyx2 by itself can be pretty nice

abstract orbit
brazen dune
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Usually the best dps you can get are from lower damage, spammabe spells, rather than from a single high damage high cost spell

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(unless you have iframe skip)

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yeah, zap is great.

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well, i prefer improved zap

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sometimes i leave off the delay and everything after it so it's just ray->spark->discharge->amp x2, because more spammability

EDIT: you cn add aoe to discharge, too! to make the arcs bounce further

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ray or projectile, your choice. Ray costs more but you have less chance of missing.

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You could also do stuff with ⛓️ since you're T2, hitting mutiple enemies at once

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(⛓️ = chaining glyph)

abstract orbit
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ah

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okay, I'll try to get all the glyphs for this tier at least

brazen dune
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nice

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oh and pro tip... you can unlock glyphs for T3 even if all you have is a T2 book. You can't use those glyphs, but you will get the mana/regen

abstract orbit
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and of course the goal is to be able to kill Dragon, Wither and such so that I can progress to T3 and beyond :p

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so I need to be able to do enough damage for that at least

brazen dune
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Obsidian railgun is great for wither

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For wither I personally use ray->heal-as much amplification as my mana regen can handle

abstract orbit
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I haven't really done a lot of threads yet either, I have Warding, Spell power and Spell Capacity. From what I see there aren't many others that should affect my damage output, per say. Well, the elemental ones, of course.

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I also understand that I need to do apo to really increase my output, right?

brazen dune
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from what i recall apoheosis can help with ars spells yeah

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Non-obvious combat threads are Starbuncle (more maneuverability), Whirlisprig (more healing from your food), and Wixie (more duration from your combat potions)

abstract orbit
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Right! Oh wow, you're being ever so helpful right now, thanks a lot

brazen dune
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oh also Reach, further range with your sword

abstract orbit
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I want to ask you so much more but I'm afraid I'm derailing this thread significantly 😄

brazen dune
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Let's head to #general-and-help

last mist
# brazen dune ^^ Here's some info on how to get more mana and regen 🙂

This may be worth a watch as well, depending on the modpack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVf25mVUtXY

Exploring Ars Nouveau featuring INFINITE health regen and mana regen as well as insta-killing mobs, and the reactive enchantment!

If you're having trouble with a spell, make sure to check the pinned comment!
If you have any questions about this video, or any minecraft related questions, feel free to join the discord and ask in my #minecraft-qa ...

▶ Play video
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you can also search for "Villager Phlactry" or something very similiar

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but that doesn't solve the mana issue directly.

brazen dune
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Yeah that’s definitely a more advanced setup, but if you’re good with technical stuff or good at following videos of other people’s builds you can get some extremely strong buffs like that

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I usually do t recommend it to folks looking for more mana when there in T1 thru mid T3 range just because it’s a bit more of a late game setup that most will never need

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And cause the usual mana tools are very accessible and make a big difference

last mist
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that's also why I recommend the entire video, where he covers at the beginning various cost reduction means

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his entire playlist for Ars is very informative and thought-provoking. I like how he shows building the desired effect in steps

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so that if you want to take that left turn at Albaqueque, you can

brazen dune
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Oh nice. I admit I didn't watch it, just briefly glanced at the video. I'll check his videos out and consider adding them to my list that I recommend to people when they ask for tutorials

last mist
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it does center around ATM10, so keep that in mind

brazen dune
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ahhh, ty

gloomy thicket
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Boop

sacred harbor
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Where can I find the obsidian railgun spell combination

brazen dune
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Scroll to the top and read the first page or two of messages, you’ll find a couple of variants in there

sonic sonnet
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Ofc make sure you have block shaper focus

brazen dune
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Been on my phone all day which makes it a pain to scroll to the top or use emoji, but my favorite is about a page down from the top. It uses pantomime-place block-leap-some amps-delay-snare-break-amp-pickup

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Or if I’m using mageblocks, then the one maniac said

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For tier 2 I also like pantomime or overhead or touch-sensitive followed by chain-mage block-leap-amp x3, more mage blocks makes it easier to aim

brazen dune
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At a computer! Darkbuncle originally posted the obsidian version that I use #1141341426223960064 message (except I'm on 1.21 so I use pantomime instead of touchsensitive and add another amplify onto leap)

timber maple
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Why doesn’t it work in 1.19.2

jade bronze
clever verge
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I to have tried this and not working on a 1.20.1 pack, got the focus on, tired the various combos, got obsidan in hotbar and tried offhand none seem to be working. just posting these to make sure whats needed

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what it does is grabs the mob and throws it behind me

steep mantle
clever verge
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Tried around 2 blocks, 5-10 blocks and even 30 blocks snipes (tired proj instead touch ofc for snipes)

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Could there be something config that a pack had disabled to make one these not work right? Playing Linggango atm and no rage glove so the normal goto spells not really useful XD

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ok got it to work 50% the time and yes i have to be about 5+ blocks away

gloomy thicket
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yea touch sensitive places on the air block at the very edge of your range

clever verge
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Ah that explains it i have like 10 block reach atm -_-

gloomy thicket
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yea thatll doit

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if you have overhead then that would be a valid alternative

ionic elbow
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got an issue where the spell shoots mageblocks but not obsidian, it is kinda my go-to every run so i am baffled about what i am doing wrong this time. I even put the full spell in instead of slimming down on amplifies and snares you dont need

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default block reach

pure cosmos
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Uhhh

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Well, that's ancient stone, not obsidian

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That's your first problem

real cedar
ionic elbow
# pure cosmos Uhhh

i tried it with cobble, obsidian and ancient stone idk, i went with mage block because of the trinkets somehow making me still deal 60dmg with mageblocks

ionic elbow
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i actually havent tried taking off every single trinket and then hittign it again

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but i did check to make sure it wasnt an issue with block reach, but then it would be send the blocks i touch flying not from my inventory

real cedar
viral holly
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why not pantomime place_block knockback amplify amplify tho?

safe cedar
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because this thread was made before pantomime was made

shy belfry
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knockback has "short distance" in its description

icy marsh
viral holly
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Yeah after some testing I think pantomime place_block knockback amplify amplify is the best one and easiest to aim with

gloomy thicket
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weird
i find using knockback insufferable because no verticalidy

fleet meadow
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Oh wait nvm

hidden cloak
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Easier to aim slightly up and such

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Also I’m pretty sure knockback has a bit more force

gloomy thicket
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theres something kinda funny about your words
you cant aim upwards with knockback

pure cosmos
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well the mod's too family friendly for that

gloomy thicket
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god damn it

fleet meadow
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Is it possible to use the spikes from ars elemental as an alternative to obsidian?

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If so how much damage does spikes do?

safe cedar
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if the obsidian variant deals 80 or so, spike is not an alternative as its cap is 40 (but meant to be armor piercing)

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the main problem is that it's treated as a falling dripstone in the dmg calc so straight shooting it probably results in low damage compared to making it fall on their head

fleet meadow
safe cedar
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no it tries to make it behave exactly like a falling spike for compatibility

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the fact that it ignores armor forced to set up the configurable dmg cap

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in the tests it was very inconstistent between dealing little or an enormous amount, lol

fleet meadow
safe cedar
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nothing "partially ignores armor" because mc doesn't have a way to do that

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even the new magefire is simply adding back part of the reduction

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protection enchants are usually a separate calc so that might still apply

fleet meadow
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Doesn’t a mace enchantment partially ignore armor though?

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Or does it ignore it fully?

safe cedar
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the enchantment might be wired directly in the armor calc

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yeah seems strictly tied to the weapon used and its enchantment

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i wonder if that could be used for smth like a binder thread

hidden cloak
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Have you used knockback before

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Atleast TRY the glyphs

this is so hypocritical coming from me considering how little I use other mods compared to ars

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Anyways basically knockback applies a tiny bit of vertical force

gloomy thicket
hidden cloak
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Because from experience (pelting cat with mageblocks) they did go up a bit

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And consistently hit

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Same with most mobs

gloomy thicket
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it was a weird change

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the issue being not that I could nt hit anything
i just coulnt snipe due to the basically fixed range

hidden cloak
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Anyways basically it fires in sort of an arc

pure cosmos
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...now I'm kinda wondering like--

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Could we make a 'mirv' railgun

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Fire the shot, have it burst and explode the mageblocks outwards in all directions

gloomy thicket
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like fire a set of mageblocks and then have them explode midair? or have a spell that resolves into that?

pure cosmos
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Set a mage block, and then wehrever it lands

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mageblocks explode outwards

icy marsh
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Ye. I did that in a world

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Sort of a grenade

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I lost the world, but i think the spell was:
projectileburstsensitiveaoeconjure_mageblocklaunchresetexplosionaoe

static ruin
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Hey, this might be already asked, but I'm using the Pantomime/sensitive version of the spell ChosenArchitect showed off. When the spell is cast, it collides with the spot in the air and then nothing happens, only occurring it it hits a block that is there and then it launches that block, not obsidian.

fleet meadow
static ruin
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there is obsidian in my hot bar

fleet meadow
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Are you using item pickup

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There’s another glyph that looks the same

static ruin
fleet meadow
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Try hovering over the fourth slot?

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What does it say

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?

static ruin
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Insert

fleet meadow
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Yeah that’s the wrong glyph

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You gotta use place block

static ruin
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Okay, thank you. I must've seen the icon and assume it was the same.

fleet meadow
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That’s how I noticed

static ruin
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Cheers man x.x Saved me alot of stressing over it.

fleet meadow
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Hope u have fun :)

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Oh both messages sent mb

agile gorge
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is this still the ideal

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or has anyone made cool modification

fleet meadow
fleet meadow
icy marsh
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The Magician's Railgun, created by Gweaven (https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1141341426223960064), uses the shaper's focus shapers_focus to launch blocks at your enemies, dealing massive ammounts of damage

My prefered version is touchsensitiveconjure_mageblockleapamplify*3 , dealing 25 dmg
But the damage scales with block hardness, so launching obsidian (replacing conjure_mageblock with place_block ) deals 75 ish dmg
touchsensitive can be replaced with pantomime in newer versions

fleet meadow
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You can also have it auto break itself

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So you don’t gotta clean up the obsidian

icy marsh
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Ye

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But lategame obsidian is kinda worthless

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So i just leave it to show off how i abuse mobs

fleet meadow
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Even early game obsidian is worthless depending on the mod pack

agile gorge
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oh shoot i already started crafting the first one

fleet meadow
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I set up a auto obsidian generator in like two days

fleet meadow
agile gorge
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dang i js got under foot 😭

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waste

icy marsh
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Early build up or platform

agile gorge
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i acquired all the glyphs but it just places a block down

fleet meadow
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Interesting how it didn’t knock it back at all tho

fleet meadow
agile gorge
sonic sonnet
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Its base ars so you should have it unless your pack disabled it

agile gorge
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im nowhere near a swamp

sonic sonnet
agile gorge
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just right click or do i have to do something else

sonic sonnet
agile gorge
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what would happen

sonic sonnet
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now when you cast the railgun, it should work

agile gorge
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wth it didnt work so i thought it disappeared

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ill try again

sonic sonnet
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Just check your curio menu

gloomy thicket
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if its in your menu then itll work

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I just explained the menu to him lol

agile gorge
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i used it on a pig and that seemed to work finally

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thx yall

gloomy thicket
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lol
ofc
and congrat

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s

agile gorge
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i can switch it to obsidian cannon right

gloomy thicket
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yea

agile gorge
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bet

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im able to pick up the obsidian after?

gloomy thicket
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with a spell yea

burnt night
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Saw this version in a youtube comment which seems similar:

Pantomime, sensitive, amplify, place block, leap, amplify, delay, break, amplify, item pickup
Any differences in utility here?

gloomy thicket
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It's one updated for 121.1
It's more accurate and doesn't have a min range

sly fog
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shadow cloak relic?

gloomy thicket
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that info is actually outdated now
the shadow cloak let you deal extra dmg while invisable

sly fog
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oh i see

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besides just spamming amplify, is there another way to max out the dmg of obsidian railgun?

hidden cloak
gloomy thicket
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after amp and after using the hardest possible block you can still augment it with any ars spellpower and external mods

hidden cloak
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and depending on ur mods you could possibly use something with higher hardness than obsidian

gloomy thicket
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oh and also equipping air foci

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I'm using ALOE which is very similar to valhelsia 6 if that helps

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dont you need block shaping foci

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oh my god i didnt know that

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(specifically elemental ones)

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thats peak

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leap is elemental air?

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yeah i dont think its mentioned anywhere

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would air threads help

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if it amplifies air glyphs probably

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like thread of pressure

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i need a precision mechanism for that? wtf

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presursse doesnt affect it

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does it add spellpower or amplify

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thats a different thing

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oh right ars technica

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anyways ive managed to make mageblocks 1 shot someone in full netherite diving gear with protection via 2 air foci (cat left a curio slot)

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what are some good relics I should use?

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in combination with such

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I would recommend checking out Bucketst's vid on it as it has changed signifigantly

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hunters belt because funny 10 damage mageblock

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thingo

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(animated blocks are affected by it)

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masterfull
relics got reworked

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I realize I can run 3 foci as my curio slot can hold one and my offhand slot too. But my curio slot is currently taken by a ring of greater discount

Should I replace it? Would it be better/more efficient

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so up to 500% (5x) damage

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how do I get that

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animate block glyph

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oh

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so how does it work with obsidian railgun exactlyh

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oh lmao

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oh wait it might work with summon undead

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...which has enchanted netherite weaponry at 4 amplifies

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...and with a focus of summoning they have like strength 2 or 3 which is +6 or +9 damage

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aka beeg damage :D

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Damn didn't know they could be buffed so much