Ars Elemental

[feral vine]

Now you could have spells that can counter specific mobs, so you'd have reason to invest in each of the elements for different fights.

[ashen wind]

Air for example only had lightning and wind shear, at least now it would be able to spark-discharge

Earth was even worse, only harm and crush iirc. Now there is spike + the poison combos

[stable sleet]

I was thinking of a pillager mage mob that only spawns in special structures

as far as spells goes, It would have handpicked list of spells, so we avoid griefing. could also make it datapackable

let me know if you are interested, if not I will try it out in oscura or something

[ashen wind]

not much pillagers as i want them to be element-based, so they wear the matching armor

which means needing 4 different structures

which i never got to because i suck at building and only recently someone with skills is popping around

you can see the mages by using the focus of debug and using it on a block

i was checking #1257727835653672960 recently since patrols-like spawns could work to avoid the issues of early game and crazy spawning that they had at the start

if exams weren't enough, i also got sidetracked by friends starting to play elden ring (i had yet to play it, so got the chance to coop)

[stable sleet]

I want to make regular mage mobs first. specialized ones like elemental could come later

[snow merlin]

Basic spells, limited number of signs/runes/whatever in the spell, limited to tier 1 book. Sounds cool.

[shell cove]

5 glyph slots

[vocal lynx]

i just created a world with ars elemental installed and while looking through the natures compass bio list i saw listings for archwood forests corresponding to the archwood tree types but i couldnt locate any of them in the world, so i was wondering if those can generate normally or if they are unused. other world generation mods i have installed are terrablender for archwood forests, ars additions and some yungnickyung mods which all work, so i was wondering if those biome types are used at all?

[ashen wind]

They are wip and have few crashes I don't know how to solve so they need to be enabled in config to be able to show up in world

I will probably end up not generating them, unless a worldgen pro comes up with fix + something unique to those biome, and add a biome change ritual

[vocal lynx]

thanks for the answer

[feral vine]

Unique to those biomes? Like a hut, cave or tower with a mini-boss fight themed on that element?

[ashen wind]

Like having lakes for the cascading

Or something with lava for blazing, some kind of flower patch for flourishing

That kind of stuff

[feral vine]

Basically the exiting Ars Caeleum rituals but better?

Flourising was a swamp biome.

[ashen wind]

For simple biome change? Yes

I was talking about reqs to enabling their worldgen

Atm the only quirk would be different grass/water color and having only the respective ww as mob instead of any

[feral vine]

I would have to look at how mods like Biomes'a'Plenty or Better End do that. Hexerie is re-adding custom mob spawns to the villages again, so there might be techniques in use there, too.

Might be easier to just generate the dens for Wilden spawns. Having wild Weld Walkers would be different.

[ashen wind]

Worldgen is a weird thing, it's nowadays mostly JSON based

So it either follows existing schemes with value tweaking or a fully custom logic

For a Caelum-style pack, the rituals could generate the towers with the elemental mages

So you get a way to fight them, even if I am unsure on what they should be useful for

1.21 could change a lot of cards compared to our current deck

So the concept of having to defeat them for elemental gear might not hold

[feral vine]

Chance to drop a piece of damaged elemental gear? A full on focus would be too much.

Just dropping essence is kind of too little.

Glyphs are again something that needs major balance. They'd need to be serious fights for serious rewards.

Or could just continue to be flavor. Not everything needs to be mechanically tied to progression.

[shell cove]

Like a witch hut in a swamp, a mage tower in an archwood forest

[daring pebble]

i need to « charm » a mage and build a mage army

[lavish coral]

So I think sirens are water mobs, ya? The summon animals ritual won't work?

[ashen wind]

Same cat as fishes iirc

The ritual shouldn't fish them up

[lavish coral]

Sad

[upbeat sandal]

is there a way to disable the soulbound enchantment from Ars Elemental?

[ashen wind]

Remove the apparatus recipe, via kube or manually via datapack

It's the only way to get it

If it can spawn on loot by default, then there is a config to disable that

[haughty zephyr]

Hi~! When is this addon going to update to the version 1.21?

[ashen wind]

Ars itself is still half broken and 1.21 requires rewriting a lot of stuff. If everything goes well maybe midAugust but really depends on many factors

[vast canopy]

hey i need some help

i want to be a storm mage

water and lightning

any way to maximize that?

cause i know theyre different types

[solemn iron]

does the FlareCannon effect spells from omega and more glyphs? (1.19.2 i also have no idea how it works at all, not even the slightest)

[ashen wind]

unless omega adds missile and the other form to Flarecannon projectile list, no

i completely forgot to add compats, only three that get the projectile bonus are

[solemn iron]

understood thanks

[ember cove]

Im kinda surprised that we don't have an air familiar yet

We have earth with drygmys and whirlisprigs, fire with the flarecannon, and water with the mermaid/siren (forgot what's its called)

[feral vine]

Air familiar? Oooh. The owl from Hexerei could do that.

I had not thought about giving it an elemental alignment.

It was going to go into Scales once JoeFoxe finishes the update to 1.20.1.

Although I might want to do a different model for it. And I've never actually used blockbench before...

I was working on the idea of a shoulder pet bird that could cast a fear hex on monsters if they were in range using the player's mana every 30 seconds when configured.

Or one that would cast on the player to give nightvision when underground or in a forest.

Maybe switch between them using a torch or a peice of rotten flesh.

[ember cove]

Like a form change? that would be a cool mechanic if its a familiar charm and not used for automation like how the others are

[feral vine]

well, it was meant to be a cross-mod compat familiar because the owl would be from Hexerei. And without that in your mods you couldn't obtain the owl without creative mode.

But I don't even know how the spawning and taming methods are to work. In Hexerei the owls are going to be part of a magical mail system a la HP.

The first idea I had was a Raven, but Eidolon has those already.

[ember cove]

What about a moth?

[feral vine]

For Elemental? Fine. A moth familiar for air. Although you could also do a sprite of some kind.

The Whilri is technically nature/plant/air.

I don't even recall what benefit the familiar version of the Whilri does. I think bonemeal for crops?

[ember cove]

I know it boosts earth dmg

[feral vine]

Which you'd think would be the Amythest Golem. But that provides knockback resistance.

[ember cove]

"Whirlisprigs will reduce the cost of Elemental Earth glyphs by half, and grants bonus saturation when consuming food. Obtained by performing the Ritual of Binding near a Whirlisprig"

bonemeal happens when used as automation I think

[feral vine]

Flarecannons have fire locked down. But if whirlis did something fall or flight related instead of bonemeal, which is nerfed in Ars anyway due to argonomic sourcelinks ignoring bonemeal updates, that would align them better.

The bonemeal mainly grows grasses and flowers on grass blocks and is very much something to avoid.

So food and earth. Not very airy at all.

[ember cove]

Tbh the whirlisprig reminds me of those helicopter seeds, like the top of their heads anyway

[ashen wind]

I wanted a cardinal for air, obv made a bit more stormbirdy

As reference to Flapjack

Main issue is finding something for it to do as worker, as fam it could easily help with movement

[feral vine]

A bright red bird would stand out nicely, too. The red parrots are some of the easiest to spot in Jungles.

[ashen wind]

Was thinking more like a reversed coloring compared to that electric bird pokemon (not zapdos, newer) but a red variant would be there. A familiars should at least have 2 variants

[vast canopy]

wack suggestion but

imagine dual focuses

must be major, but you combine two focuses to gain power in both.... while cutting the power of the other 2

its like a lesser focus, but 2 major ones

[daring pebble]

mfw offhanding focus is a thing

[sharp parcel]

Game does not load with the 1.21 version.
It launches but freezes

[daring pebble]

#archived-1-21-testing

[ashen wind]

What does even mean, at which point does it freeze

[sharp parcel]

Mojang load

[daring pebble]

send the logs please

[daring pebble]

hmm

[daring pebble]

can you follow this algorithm so that we can trace where the bug comes from ?
0.0 : create folder "not cause"
1.0 : if enabled mods == 1, go to 3.0. Else, continue
1.1 : disable half of the enabled mods
1.2 : if the game runs fine, go to 2.1
2.1 : move the enabled mods to folder "not cause"
2.2 : reenable present mod files
2.3: go to step 1.1
1.3 : move the disabled mods to a folder "not cause"
1.4 : go to 1.0
3.0 : the last enabled mod is the cause.

[ashen wind]

4.0 : might be that I set the requirements of that elemental version to be in 1.20.1 only

[daring pebble]

💀

[ashen wind]

Haven't read the log yet, but fixed a bunch of things since the first post

[shell cove]

Transportation like mine carts could be nice

[ashen wind]

A mixin was causing issues as the method it referred don't exists anymore, for some reason it did not stop compiling

#archived-1-21-testing for new version

[crystal onyx]

Do normal elemental spell foci retain the the buffs of their lesser parts
Like does the air focus give reduced cost for air spells and increased cost for all others
Stuff like that

[sharp parcel]

Feel that the anima essence could be some crafting ingredient other than the glyph ones.
Like how other essences are used,
Like Ritual tables.
Maybe a ritual that when performed spawn a random number of undead mobs?
Or one that converts undead mobs back to their living counterparts, and vice versa.
and maybe a recipe that let you convert skulls into zombie heads?

[rain hornet]

Have you tried looking at the notebook?

I’m pretty sure it says that it gives reduced cost/buffs to the intended school and increased costs/debuffs to the rest

[crystal onyx]

Yes

[shell cove]

The upgraded versions don’t nerf your spells in any intended way

[rain hornet]

Is the lifelink meant to not affect players? I tested it on an associate and he did not take damage, nor did I get healed. Is it because of a glitch/conflicting mod? Is it inentional?

[ashen wind]

Umh, I don't really have a mean to test it since I'd need another

It's supposed to work

But the other player might have something to prevent status

[lyric echo]

You can launch your dev instance with another username

to run two dev instances

[rain hornet]

They didn’t have anything to prevent it at the time

[mortal sierra]

I just managed to get the "A Blooming Death" achievement, but I've been unable to get a spore since the initial one.

Seems rather convoluted for something that has a really small chance of proccing, or am I missing something?

[fickle robin]

it's a relatively low chance. I ended up making a farm for this where I have an Earth turret killing zombies that get teleported in with portals, and then I flush the ground with water every so often to collect the spore blossoms

[daring pebble]

would [spark] drain armor energy even though they are affected by iframes?

[fickle robin]

hm, maybe

depends on if the damage is involved in draining the energy or not

[rain hornet]

The issue arise if the mekasuit has energy upgrades and if the modpack has Flux network or whatever

Mekasuit can become unviable with the right upgrades and enough power

[night bloom]

unviable
u probably mean invulnerable right? "inviable" sounds like not viable

[rain hornet]

Yea

[shell cove]

Nah, y’all just need make an attack that lowers Tps lol

That way they don’t get energy back

[daring pebble]

if the TPS speed lowers, everything becomes slower...
meaning LOW tps doesn't really make a huge difference when your goal is to make their armor not take energy back as your hits are also slower to register

[ashen wind]

there is a small chance that when we talk about servers, when ticks are skipped things get weird

[stark condor]

If they're using a properly set up mek suit, they are not playing the same game as you.

[daring pebble]

sadly

best thing you can do is install trinkets and spam sonic boom as mek suit only blocks 75%

(sonic boom was designed to be the mek suit player killer)

[lyric echo]

Charm of Resonant Shield

[daring pebble]

only three blocks

[lyric echo]

per charm 😄

[stark condor]

And since the idea of a "fair fight" Is thrown out by them wearing the armor of "no thanks", then don't bother fighting fair. Blink to the void and be done

[daring pebble]

nah, i'd [ray] [homing] [sonic boom]

[stark condor]

Maybe delay so they all hit before taking the effect?

[daring pebble]

hmm

then i'd replace the two by

to achieve something similar

[lyric echo]

a nice solution to iframes

[daring pebble]

yep

i made a spell that ressembles comet azur thanks to it (will post soon)

(man i love )

[lyric echo]

Is Elemental on any Maven?

or do I need to use cursemaven?

[shell cove]

Or

You guys forget something

[ashen wind]

curse

[shell cove]

Mekanism suits don’t have I-frames

So u can basically spam lightning

With burst

[delicate pine]

So I looked for awhile last night after seeing reports of no flashing archwood appearing in worlds, I also did not see a single yellow tree... No terrablender/archwood forest in my testing

[ashen wind]

likely folder name changes

[lyric echo]

Structure folder changed, probably needs to be updated

[delicate pine]

Haven't tried just with ars and elemental but ars trees show fine

Ah

[shell cove]

Wait tres are technically structures?

[delicate pine]

They're features

[lyric echo]

They're world features

[shell cove]

Does that mean they have a weight

[lyric echo]

Work similar to structures

[shell cove]

O:

[ashen wind]

what was the name change?

[lyric echo]

De-pluralized iirc

[ashen wind]

it seems fine as i can place it via command

the biome modifier seems to be gone tho?

i'll look into this tonight, i made few little important changes this morning so the update is likely for tomorrow

[delicate pine]

❤️

[fickle robin]

so, just for giggles I tried to see if a backpack could go into the caster bag. I shift+clicked an empty backpack to put it in the caster bag and the game locked up until it crashed from OoM

Sophisticated Backpack fyi

[ocean chasm]

sophisticated backpacks are funky, they behave weirdly sometimes, caused a few crashes for me

[ashen wind]

Need to blacklist them anyway, but weird

They shouldn't be storing their inventory on the item afterall

While the bags use item capabilities now

Nothing custom really

[fickle robin]

The bag was completely empty as well, I got it off an enemy and cleaned it out

[feral vine]

bag-ception is always a risky play. Sad that it failed. Also glad that I never tried that.

I do know that since Sophisticated Backpacks track their inventories via GUIDs so that you cannot 'dupe' them. Extra copes always have the same inventory as the first one loaded. Found that out while trying to restore an Ad Astra dimension from a broken save to a clean new save.

[shell cove]

i thought soph backpacks worked like shulker boxes combined with ender chests

does that mean you can put the bags on shulker boxes?

you might wanna look into that too

[shell cove]

any plans for bogged and husks to be summoned when there is an earth focus equipped?

[shell cove]

immolation doesn't seem to work in 1.21.1

the immolation thread

[fickle robin]

the one that puts out fire and boosts your next spell?

[shell cove]

yea

it also seems that amplify doesn't work even when i want to put it on an enchanters sword, as in, i have 2 amplify in my spell, but the spell isn't cast because flare has 3 amplify

is that intended behavior ?

because if so what is the point of having an extra amp on the sword if i can't use it for more dmg

[delicate pine]

this has been an issue ever since the amp limit was introduced... i dont think theyve decided 100% on the direction they wanna go with it yet, also has nothing to do with elemental

[shell cove]

mb

it just that i thought it'd be common sense to make swords an exclusion

[delicate pine]

yeh i think they wanna change how it works altogether, there were a few ideas floating around

[ashen wind]

Base Ars

[shell cove]

Wait that’s on base?

[rain hornet]

Yeah?

[shell cove]

ok so

propagate homing and reset crashes your game

like instantly

replace the last amplify with rewind and see

[rain hornet]

iirc :arc: :propagate_arc: crashes your game too

[sharp parcel]

For some reason I can add anything to the trinket pouch not just curio items

[ashen wind]

In 1.21 yes

Changed to general purpose bag, and the other one to double storage

[shell cove]

W change

Now I don’t need a backpack mod

[chilly creek]

Hey, i have a problem. Everytime i use the spell combination of on a mob, my game starts to crash and i get this error message: The game crashed whilst ticking entity
Error: java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "com.hollingsworth.arsnouveau.api.spell.SpellResolver.hasFocus(net.minecraft.world.item.Item)" because "resolver" is null.
Does somebody know what im missing?

1.20.1 -4.12.1 =Ars
1.20.1 MC
1.20.1 -0.6.5 =Elemental
Im using it in a Modpack including too many glyphs, maybe that can help. Modpack name= Valhelsia 6

[ashen wind]

as i said in general, can't know without the full log

[chilly creek]

ah sry, didnt see that 1 sec

is a txt document fine?

[ashen wind]

either that or upload via pastebin et simila so we don't have to download a file to read
https://pastebin.com/

[whole arrow]

@lyric echo

:notepad_spiral: Log Sharing

Upload your log file to mclo.gs so that people can help easier, not everyone is on their PC all the time and having a easily formatted searchable link is much easier for debugging.

Where can I find my logs?

Go to your instance or .minecraft folder and upload the logs/latest.log file

How about crash reports?

Crash reports can be found in your instance or .minecraft folder under the crash-reports sub-folder. This is only made when a crash is registered, so if it doesn't exist that's fine.

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @lyric echo

[chilly creek]

I think i pasted my log, how can i share it with u?

Just in case sharing didnt work, heres the txt file

[ashen wind]

yeah, it's Ars fault

1.20.1 - 4.12.4 has been released:
Fix crash with shapers focus

simply update

[chilly creek]

Thanks a lot

[sharp parcel]

So Spell caster back is double chest storage, and just an improved trinket pouch?

Does this config means that can open both magic bundles?

[ashen wind]

wht

it's just a direct upgrade anyway, yes. no need to have both

can also be dyed

[heavy sleet]

think there might be an issue with Aether armor.

I've put lightning on my sword (screenshots coming) and I am taking an enormous amount of damage occasionally from my own lightning

Full aether set

focus of air equipped

So I attack a mob alone and it's fine, but the lightning never triggers (normal, they're dying too fast)

I attack a group though?

the first batch will die and I end up with the Static Charge effect

Then I attack again? Boom lightning to my face

down to 2 hearts

Bit hard to see since I'm getting withered, but near the end I get a couple good hits from my own lightning

[ashen wind]

Which version?

I'd suspect the delay bug happening

Or something similar, with the spell not knowing its caster anymore

[delicate pine]

This is in e10 so 1.21 latest elemental version

0.7.0.5

Ah losing caster makes sense... I was so confused since I used almost the same spell in 1.19 and barely took damage from my own lightning

[ashen wind]

Won't be home until tomorrow night, we'll see if I can make it trigger

[heavy sleet]

sounds good, enjoy your time away

I'll just take the lightning off for now 😄

[ashen wind]

Umh, could it be that mobs are reflecting?

[heavy sleet]

maybe? dunno if the Vengeance spirits have something

[ashen wind]

That's not static charge but shocked

So it's like they are making the far lightning hit you too

Doesn't seem to be a problem of discharge nor chaining...

Even if maybe the armor is not reducing the damage as it should, that is to check

[delicate pine]

What's the damage reduction supposed to be for lightning? And is it spell lightning only?

[ashen wind]

It's damage type/tags based

[delicate pine]

my brain couldn't figure out the code outside of the fall damage reduction lol

I got lost in the sauce

[ashen wind]

I think it's not more than 40%

[delicate pine]

I c

[ashen wind]

Fall damage reduction should be coded to be higher

[delicate pine]

Yeah it's like 90%

That was easy to read

For a smooth brain like me

Lightning reduction might just be less than I thought it was, maybe in 1.19 more of my reduction was coming from enchants and apo attributes and that's why I was surviving so easily

Was awhile ago lol

[ashen wind]

They surely do most of the work

Without apo, protection shield way more than half of damage

With apo, the calculation changes

But it's still nuts

[delicate pine]

I think I just assumed it was similar to the fire reduction on pyro which is huge because of the insta clear more than the reduction itself

Makes sense

[fickle robin]

I remember at least for the original implementation it was like 80% reduction in fall damage

[delicate pine]

Yeah the fall damage is a separate calculation from the rest of air school reduction

Looks like 90% (0.1)

I could be very wrong tho lol

Always dangerous when boo looks at code

[ashen wind]

The weird thing is the lightning hitting out of range imho

[heavy sleet]

oh, no there's lightning near me

it's usually behind me in that video

[delicate pine]

Formula looks like final damage=og damage *(1-(5/10.0) which looks like 50% to me, looking at the video I think that might feel about right... Hard to say tho, and imma stop reading code now cuz good chance I'm reading it all wrong lol

https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Elemental/blob/f4df3de8beb35d5c4adcf153d7677022cefe8615/src/main/java/alexthw/ars_elemental/event/DamageEvents.java#L158

5 is from the bonus reduction

[heavy sleet]

Alex, I was seeing that report in 1.21 testing with spells forgetting the owner, and I think that this might be related to my issue here.

I've noticed that mobs killed by the splash damage of that spell aren't acting as if I'm the thing that killed them, like it lost the player context

For example, I have a custom loot table such that if the killer has a netherite axe in their mainhand wither skeletons always drop a skull. But if I cast that spell from an offhand book into a group of skellies, I'll only get one guaranteed from (I think) the primary target. The rest are just normal odds

[ashen wind]

can you send the spell again?

i have devenv open, so i can use the debugger to see if it's actually losing it

[heavy sleet]

this was my book spell

minus the magelight at the end

I added that fighting the warden 😛

[ashen wind]

and it was tied to delay iirc, right?

not to chain

[heavy sleet]

dunno, maybe the chain

maybe delay

not sure how you'd know

[ashen wind]

as in, the first discharge work as expected but the second hit you

[heavy sleet]

ah, I see

yeah, probably the delay yeah

[ashen wind]

you might have a better picture with extend time on delay so they don't spam particles all together

but likely either delay or a combo of propagation + delay

[heavy sleet]

I can try to do some more testing later today

[ashen wind]

i'll add neg to ars env to see, but i'd expect linger to trigger this as well

oh my, i discovered something else

#general-and-help message

[shell cove]

oh my god so that's why i missed the guardian of gaia drops...

[full agate]

seems like its possible for life linked entities to get disconnected while having the effect continuously applied, can also be a one-way connection if one of the entities clears the effect and gets it again

if the owner of the effect has a one way connection, damage dealt to them will be halved and dealt to the target - but healing to the target will not heal the owner

and id imagine the opposite is true if the target has a one way connection

the only way ive found to properly link them is to have both run out of the effect

(then reapply it)

1.21 btw, if that matters

[tribal wolf]

is the fishing loot from sirens just vanilla fishing loot or does it include modded fishing loot too?
like does it just work off of the fishing loot table, or does it have its own loot table thats just a copy of the vanilla one

[ashen wind]

Fishing loot table

So if the other mods inject to that, it will work

[tribal wolf]

it doesn't seem to be genrating any modded fish

[ashen wind]

But does with normal fish?

[tribal wolf]

yeah

[tribal wolf]

only vanilla fishing loot, none of the other loot that I can get with a fishing rod. in this modpack there are many more types of fish you can reel in for example
aquarium bonus 41
this seems to be consistent across all modpacks I've played with arms elemental and mods that add more loot to fishing
could it be maybe that aquarium bonus in giving you better loot weights only towards vanilla loot?

[delicate pine]

I think the problem is you're looking at just these 3 loot tableshttps://github.com/PixiGeko/Minecraft-default-data/tree/latest/data/minecraft/loot_table/gameplay/fishing

But the mods in question are injecting their fish loot tables directly in to https://github.com/PixiGeko/Minecraft-default-data/blob/latest/data/minecraft/loot_table/gameplay/fishing.json

[delicate pine]

Would need the name of one of the mods adding fish in your pack to know for sure tho

See aquaculture: https://github.com/TeamMetallurgy/Aquaculture/blob/master/src/main/resources/data/aquaculture/loot_table/gameplay/fishing/fish.json

[tribal wolf]

collectors reap is i think the main one

[delicate pine]

Yeah they're also injecting straight in to minecraft:fishing

https://github.com/brnbrd/CollectorsReap/blob/1.20.1/src/main/resources/data/collectorsreap/loot_tables/gameplay/fishing/fishing.json

[tribal wolf]

and i think also crabbers delight, as it adds squid related items to the fishing loot

[delicate pine]

Pretty sure that's the issue, siren isn't looking in to the umbrella loot table, it's looking at the 3 final ones the main one rolls

[tribal wolf]

it seems like most mods inject into the umbrella loot table so maybe the sirens should be updated to look at that

[copper imp]

Do the elemental turrets when faced downwards still appear down and away from their hit box in the newest release? That was really gross looking when I was working with them a while back.

[ashen wind]

What's the version of elemental you're using?

It was supposed to be fixed some time ago, but was there in early porting

[copper imp]

I am using the version for 1.20.1

[shell cove]

i can name one, aquaculture

[delicate pine]

Have that one already, but ty!

[ashen wind]

I guess if I make it work with one without explicit support, the rest will follow

[delicate pine]

Yup, probably have to change the way you do the treasure bonuses I think? But I'm no dev lol

[ashen wind]

I mean, it would really be ideal if they injected their fish to the fish table

They are split for a reason afterall

but yeah, to account for their mistake / lazyness i'll try to change the equation

the only fish table becomes the full table, treasure table chance is lowered and i try to enchant with a luck factor to not pollute with junk, while boosting junk on lower scores

[delicate pine]

I think the reason they do it this way is to not change the vanilla tables?... So you still have the same chance of getting all the vanilla stuff(fish, luck, loot), and then modded stuff as a bonus in certain biomes? I think I'm reading the tables correctly

But yeah I don't see the actual benefit here since most recipes using fish are tag based

[ashen wind]

the three tables should be separated because luck of the sea will give more chance to pull from treasure table than junk table

and low effect on fishes

you may test https://maven.blamejared.com/com/alexthw/ars_elemental/ars_elemental-1.20.1/0.6.7.4/ars_elemental-1.20.1-0.6.7.4.jar

it works with aquaculture

[ashen wind]

it was fixed in march by looking at the update history

[delicate pine]

@tribal wolf

Whoops meant to remove ping from reply

[ashen wind]

only noticed now the person asking for fish fix is named fish

[delicate pine]

Lmao yeh I noticed that a bit late too

[ashen wind]

prorities straight

[tribal wolf]

:3

[copper imp]

Cool thanks for letting me know!

[soft fern]

is it possible to upgrade something to teir 4 without changing the armor itself

[delicate pine]

Wym... Like get all the elemental perks and the t4 thread slots/mana boost while keeping it looking like the t3 armor?

[soft fern]

like just the teir 4 thread slots

[delicate pine]

No... t3 sorcerer has better thread slots than the t4 stuff tho

If this is for cosmetics, the cosmetic armor mod is great

But there's no way to get the thread slots of the elemental armor sets without fully upgrading

[soft fern]

alr ty

[ruby stream]

What happened to Urn of endless lava?

[full agate]

never existed

[ruby stream]

nvm i thought this is from ars elemental

[ashen wind]

That was thaum add-on iirc

[shell cove]

Will it ever be a thing?

[ashen wind]

I don't remember what the ever burning jar did or its exact name

But surely didn't conjure lava out of nowhere

Oh ok it was actually that

But essentia system was way more balanced that throwing source at it

It could potentially remain balanced by asking the same amount of source that the sourcelink would give

More balanced than allowing players to cast it as a spell at least

[shell cove]

yea

but howw about a temparary lava fluid

one that is automatically undone and can't be bucketed

[ornate lava]

Did anything change regarding the iframe skip combo?
(Any dmg source, thread of kindling 3, heal+dampen)
Cos... I definitely have the setting set in the ars elemental config, but it doesn't seem to be working right...

[ashen cargo]

Are you playing on a server and if so, does the server have the same setting?

[ornate lava]

It does, but that's also a moot point as trying it out in a single player world is ALSO not skipping iframes.
Ive got ars trinkets, elemental and tmg on. I definitely have the setting for iframs skip in elemental config turned on. T3 kindling. FIre focus. Single player world. But it still isnt working

[ashen wind]

Files related to ifr haven't been changed in at least 3 months

Really hope you ain't testing it on zombies

[ornate lava]

Nope, Iron golems

[ashen cargo]

did you change the setting while minecraft was running?

[ornate lava]

Nope, closed the whole thing, checked the setting, it was already set to true, then restarted my launcher

I really hope it's not another random interaction or something like that...

[ornate lava]

Ok, I think it might be some other mod messing things up cos I rolled back both ars and elemental back to versions where it used to work and still nothing...

[sharp parcel]

I think I found a bug causing a crash.
I accidentally shift click a IE wooden crate into a Magic Bag.
I think the game tried to do that and froze the game

[ashen wind]

On latest?

Cause I should have blacklisted putting item containers inside it

Since I can't figure out the actual bug

[ornate lava]

In case anyone is wondering, Apotheosis was what was messing with the iframe skip. The very latest version of apoth does soemthing that prevents iframe skiping

[ruby stream]

Rare Apotheosis W

[daring pebble]

rare Apoth L

(./J)

[plucky needle]

Is it the latest on any versions?

[ornate lava]

Ive tried rolling back. It seems like they just don't like i frames now and apoth won't let me iskip, despite it workimg a while back...

[sharp parcel]

I am using Mousetweaks and I press hover over an IE crate into a magic bag
ars_elemental-1.21.0-0.7.0.7
ImmersiveEngineering-1.21.1-12.0.0-182

[ashen wind]

Crash or freeze?

[sharp parcel]

Freezes the game, nothing works, and I need to task manager close the game

[ashen wind]

Yeah,like the other guy

If it simply freezes it's harder to figure out compared to straight out crash

[sharp parcel]

I can try and see if it generates a crash log.

[ashen wind]

Doubt it will

I wonder if it triggers with ShulBox too

[sharp parcel]

Latest log:

[sharp parcel]

Nope, Shulker boxes are not going into the bag,

[ashen wind]

because the check i added prevent from putting them inside, seems they freeze too

checking code execution doesn't really say anything

seems like a deadlock...

everything is waiting something

but not sure what

[ashen wind]

alr, found the pretty stupid issue

missing a check for items that can't be put inside other items by design

while that check is done later in the chain

the client doesn't know that and keep trying infinitely to insert it

[static temple]

Idk if i should post it here or on the suggestions page, but it'd be cool if the glyphs had some type of visual indicator to show to which element they belong to without the need to shift+mousehover over them

[ashen wind]

schools are from the base mod so it would be #1019639765093589153

Should be in the todo list already anyway

a small image in the unshifted tooltip of the school

[static temple]

Oh ok.
Still added it here in the comments

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1302593687368241203

[delicate pine]

https://mclo.gs/FPIO5K9

crash when placing flare cannon charm

[ashen wind]

Update to latest and retry

[delicate pine]

still get this and sent to the multiplayer screen(this was in a single player world) when trying to use a firenando charm.... which is what happened last night... difference is that last night after about 10 seconds on the multiplayer screen it crashed with the above report... here's the latest.log i was able to rejoin the world and repeat the "kick" twice here. https://mclo.gs/6b1R17z

[ashen wind]

will double check then

i was sure there was a bug, but believed it was fixed with last

[delicate pine]

ah

it's so weird how it kicked me to multiplayer screen, THEN crashed a bit later last night lol

had me going crazy thinking prism wasnt updating correctly... but the file name for the 0.7.0.9.1 update does not have the .1 when downloaded from curse

[ashen wind]

i used the publish script from github, maybe it has this kind of weirdness

[ashen wind]

Alr, found the issue with cannon

all the other charms have the same issue actually

bailey fixed few of them already

[delicate pine]

Oo

[ember bear]

@ashen wind I have a question, does the focus of necromancy hold the benefits from the summoning focus alongside its benefits or not?

Just asking because I'm planning on adding this addon to the modpack I'm making for my private server

[ashen wind]

partially

the +1 to all spells and the potion effects applied on summons are kept

the "recast self spells on summons" isn't since it "recasts homing projectiles from reanimated summons"

[heavy sleet]

Wait, potion effects are copied to your summons with the focus?

Holy hell

I have permanent str2 and other potions. That's amazing

[ashen wind]

not from you

the two foci apply speed and strenght to summons

[heavy sleet]

Ahhh

Ok still good to know. I've been using pets a lot more recently

[ashen wind]

maybe it was kinda ignored when you could buff you and your summons with streght 9 in 1.16

perhaps i should make summoning damage affect owned pets too

maybe not 100% but at least partially

[heavy sleet]

That would be cool

Help out the doggos

With infinite glyph enabled, summon undead is also quite crazy. If nothing else is a massive shield

I used like 10 sword skellies against the chimera and they did a great job running interference while my pet wolves chewed its butt off

[delicate pine]

I still think it would be cool to have a glyph that summons whatever is in a containment jar closest in your hotbar, with an entity blacklist ofc

Dragon, wither and bosses tag in there by default

[heavy sleet]

I recall there being more customization you could do before too and wasn't seeing it in the book. Like upgrading the skeletons to wither skellies? With armor and better swords?

[ashen wind]

wither skellies are the revenant form

[heavy sleet]

Ahh

I need the focus then

[ashen wind]

better sword is amplify

armor idk, maybe you imagined that

[heavy sleet]

Could be

Happens a lot

[ashen wind]

you know the issue, everyone makes its own entity AI. Not even the wither is consistent with the rest of vanilla mobs

[delicate pine]

So it would just work with anything that is charmable?

[ashen wind]

If Charm worked as intended on 90% of the entities i could attempt making it

[delicate pine]

I knew that was an issue with the bell/whistle ideas that have floated around... Didn't think of it being an issue this way as well haha... Oh well

[ashen wind]

even something as simple as release + instacharm

[delicate pine]

Tbh I've never used charm lol

[ashen wind]

the whistle thing shouldn't be hard, may just require some changes to summon to have modes

and it ends up in the devhell of "well, we will need to rewrite them anyway"

[delicate pine]

Lol

Makes sense

[heavy sleet]

str 3 wow!

[lyric echo]

Dispel should propagate to the released entity, then would do it

[tribal moon]

Hi, I'm having a crash with Ears and Ars Elemental armors: https://github.com/unascribed/Ears/issues/169

I "fixed" it in my personal fork of Ears, however it's not a good solution, it just prevents the crash. It's caused by Elemental armors not having List<ArmorMaterial.Layer>. Is this normal for GeckoLib armors?

[ashen wind]

First time I hear that, so it's possible

It would break even with just Ars armor in that case

[tribal moon]

It doesn't crash with Ars Nouveau armor

in this case I think I'm going to file an issue

https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Elemental/issues/84

[ashen wind]

Sure then, I just got out of my way the assignment holding everything behind

And it's a quick fix

[ashen wind]

Was it solved?

[tribal moon]

Yes, thank you!

[lone sundial]

hallo mr @ashen wind , could i get some info on how the shielding spell works? how much mana per damage point, if its a potion effect and whatnot. Its for potential additions to allthearcanistgear

[ashen wind]

it's a potion effect but it cannot be amplified by but only by the water gear. higher levels will allow to shield more damage, mana per damage is a config inside the glyph's file

[lone sundial]

thats fantastic thank you❤️

youre the best buncle

[lyric echo]

So it'll shield all damage until you run out of mana or the effect expires?

[ashen wind]

it doesn't set to 0 but to 0.1 at best

[lyric echo]

Ah right

[ashen wind]

if you run out of mana, the bubble pops and the effect expires

[lyric echo]

Is it a max amount of damage per strike?

[ashen wind]

double maxReduction = mana.getCurrentMana() / ManaBubbleCost;
                double amp = Math.min(1 + living.getEffect(MANA_BUBBLE.get()).getAmplifier() / 2D, maxReduction);
                float newDamage = (float) Math.max(0.1, event.getAmount() - amp);
                float actualReduction = event.getAmount() - newDamage;
                if (actualReduction > 0 && mana.getCurrentMana() >= ManaBubbleCost) {
                    event.setAmount(newDamage);
                    mana.removeMana(actualReduction * ManaBubbleCost);
                }

[lone sundial]

ok thats where i stop reading

[ashen wind]

might be flawed math

every time i look at it. something's off

[lyric echo]

Ah right, so it's a set amount per amount of damage

[ashen wind]

the idea is that based on the amplification of the effect, it can potentially shield more

it's very hard to sustain without a good regen

[lyric echo]

We're looking at a mekasuit mechanic for arcanist gear

I think I'm going to have it based on source though

[ashen wind]

the ManaBubbleCost is configurable but it's 350 default

which means an heavy hit with base ars mana pool basically shields most of it but dries you out

[lone sundial]

oooo

[ashen wind]

it's very hard to balance this due to the wide array of cases

[lone sundial]

right, if it can be reapplied it becomes immortality

[ashen wind]

it's either i boost it balancing on base ars, either reducing cost or shielding more, or keep as it is knowing with other addons the mana cap increases A LOT

[lone sundial]

yeah my current character in atm10 has 4k mana

[ashen wind]

max mana covers the "what's the highest on water gear it can tank"

but regen is more important if the damage to reduce is lower

if you get to 100+ regen, it can become viable to sustain it against cheap damage

since the reduction should (in theory) apply post armor

[lone sundial]

it does?

[ashen wind]

meaning protection and armor points do the heavy lift

[lone sundial]

so high armor toughness would make it much more viable?

[lone sundial]

also i tried mana bubble and it just dont work in atm10 i dont think

it doesnt even consume the mana

like, initial spell does

but i dont think it registers damage much

[stark condor]

Toughness won't help on small damage, but should against players. Axe crits and such are high damage hits. Against small things like fire though it doesn't do much

[lone sundial]

Rn my problem is that it doesn't seem to be registering at all

[full agate]

https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Elemental/pull/86

[tribal moon]

how does the vorpal mechanic work?

nvm I think I figured it out

[lone sundial]

Vorpal?

[main cypress]

That's apotheosis I think

[ashen wind]

Vorpal is also just an rpg term for beheading

The vorpal sword that crits and instakill or smth

[main cypress]

Ah

[lone sundial]

yeah i just didnt know how this applied to elemental lol

[ashen wind]

has extra chances to drop heads

[lone sundial]

oh that ye

btw is wind shear coded as an armor bypass attack

same for poison spores

they seem to go right through mekasuits WITH the breathing thingy thats supposed to work against magic

[ashen wind]

WS is armor piercing, yes

Don't remember for spores tho

[lone sundial]

my friend with the mekasuit is super salty that i can still 1 tap him lol

[tribal moon]

yes that's what I was referring to

[boreal crater]

is there a list of ars elemental caster tomes anywhere?

[ashen wind]

Unsure if Ars.guide has support

https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Elemental/tree/1.21/src/generated/resources/data/ars_elemental/recipe/tomes
There's this, at worst

or the /ars-tome command should tell you who add the tome

[lyric echo]

Ars.Guide doesn't have support but easily could

[boreal crater]

thank you!

[ripe edge]

Can I put a request for Ars Elemental in here or should I put it in feature requests? Wasn't sure if https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1019639765093589153 was for base Ars only.

[ashen cargo]

Feature Request has been accidentally used for addons in the past, but usually should be for base Ars only.
There's a "I won't include this in Base Ars" tag that Bailey can set and that Addon Devs can take inspiration from 🙂

[ripe edge]

Then I'll just put it here.

This thread only triggers when actively taking fire damage. It won't trigger if you're under the effect of Magic Burn/Hellfire. Would it be possible to make it also trigger under Magic Burn/Hellfire? To be more precise, you can stand in any fire and it works but being under the Hellfire potion effect does not count.

[shell cove]

hmm

[lone sundial]

I think that would be fine

[stable sleet]

alex, does your dark magic school have T2 damage spell ?

[ashen wind]

umh, charm maybe?

[stable sleet]

I was thinking about the sentient spells from tob the other day. I like them a lot and would love for them to continue in some form

would you want them in elemental?

[ashen wind]

weren't they strictly tied to Blood Magic system?

[stable sleet]

mechanics wise yes, they consume sentient will

but it wont be hard to retrofit them for base ars

[stable sleet]

@ashen wind your elemental focus checks are hardcoded to the 2 specific focus items. that makes it hard to add new foci that share functionality with another focus like lyrellion's elemancy. It would be trivial to add a mixin to add new focus checks but that is kinda icky

Would you want to do some kind of focus interface that people can easily implement

[dawn forum]

Hello, why is the Magic Fire listed as a neutral effect and not a negative one?

[ashen wind]

Did you update the internal dependency?

[stable sleet]

did something change?

I havent been keeping up with the updates

[ashen wind]

Yeah a batch of changes for multi focus was uploaded with the biomes changes

[stable sleet]

oh cool

I will check that out tomorrow

[ashen wind]

The interface for school foci exists, it's ars resolver that forced me to use that hardcoded check

[stable sleet]

I had to use some ugly mixins which I can get rid of . always a nice thing

[dawn forum]

Hi, what's the calculation chance for Charmed to work?

[placid copper]

Are there any plans to port this to Modrinth?

[ember bear]

@ashen wind I have a question, does the +150% Instant Healing effect from the Earth Focus affects other forms of healing as long as they're considered instantaneous?

I'm asking since I have an origin that has a passive ability that allows it to heal 5% of it's max Health every two seconds (and judging by how it was coded in the datapack it was counting as instant heal) so would it be affected by the Earth Focus?

[ashen cargo]

Potential fun idea: Augment of random (projectile) speed.
Not as busted as IFrame Skipping with , but if the speeds are different enough, might make for a nice visual and allow for some extra damage at least

[vague widget]

I tried making a telekinesis spell for this newest version.
Yet when I tried to cast it would place the gravitational field on top of my head.

I suppose there is a glitch with the new glyph

[ashen wind]

Likely just rounding up the position

target extremely close to the player

You can add an AoE to offset it iirc

[vague widget]

Oh

I guess I'll try that when I'm able

[quick helm]

Setting up an interaction between delay and randomize would be cool

[ashen wind]

Delay already support randomize

[quick helm]

fr?

dang when did that happen

[vague widget]

2-4 months perhaps

[wild oyster]

How does the trinkets pouch work?

[west hedge]

My Conjure Island: Archwood Forest rituals are just creating the island with the right grass but no trees or other features. This is in a game using the very latest NeoForge build (21.1.115) and nothing but Ars + its addons available in 1.21.1 as well as JEI, EMI, Journeymap, Farmer's Delight, Jade, Curios and Terrablender.

Creative Mode, BTW.

[ashen wind]

well yes, it's not arcane isles where it places down a structure

it's more like a variant of the conjure plains

[west hedge]

Ah OK I thought it at least planted trees.

[ashen wind]

it's mostly a biome changer ritual

[west hedge]

I get it, I just got confused by the archfruit augment for specific biome which led me to believe there'd be trees.

The new specific biomes on the test server aren't in this latest Elemental release are they?

[ashen wind]

they are

but won't appear in worldgen unless opted-in

like in #1331306394980450355

[west hedge]

OK so how do I opt in for worldgen in my SP games?

[ashen wind]

ars elemental config, raise the value of the biome over 0

like 2 or 3

[west hedge]

How hard would it be to allow Configured by MrCrayfish to work with Elemental? I can't directly access the config through the Mods tab.

I know I can do it manually in the installation folder but it would certainly be a lot more convenient per the above.

[ashen wind]

it was working for me with configured

[west hedge]

Hmm, I'll look again.

Might be something else causing an issue, which wouldn't surprise me.

[ashen wind]

wasn't working with cloth, but with that other one it was

[west hedge]

That would explain it, some mod I like to use requires Cloth.

[ashen wind]

they work together

the diff is that cloth needs explicit support, configurable doesn't

[tribal wolf]

it’d be cool if there was a ritual to summon a nether island and change the biome to one of the vanilla nether ones

tho to make it more endgame it could involve using the enchanters apperatus and some other items to like “corrupt” an existing summon biome ritual

[ashen wind]

That is something for #1019639765093589153 in the base mod, the biome changing rituals aren't a me thing

[stark condor]

Do you want ghasts flying around the overworld? That's how you get ghasts flying around the overworld

[west hedge]

Set my biomes modifier to 3 in the config... 💀

The mouse pointer is spawn, the Journeymap location marker is the 2nd of 2 libraries in the current view.

[ashen wind]

Ah, 3 only if you have something like BWG

If you're without biome mods, probably 2 is more than enough

I am unsure if I am doing something wrong that causes the entire region to be mostly archwood or it's simply that the parameters for the biomes are so wide that they get placed very often once the AE region is rolled

[west hedge]

Keep in mind this wasn't a complaint I actually like it.

[ashen wind]

Basically, you rarely find an AE archwood biome alone

They always end up clustered

Oh I noticed now the double Library

Nice

[west hedge]

I'm going to try 1 and 2 and see how it looks. If I need more vanilla biomes I can always use a ritual.

[normal raft]

thanks for letting me tame dragons so i dont have to visit their cave

[west hedge]

Dragons?

[ashen wind]

https://tenor.com/view/1for-all-1for-all-dnd-deerstalker-pictures-dungeons-and-dragons-seduction-gif-21481584

[normal raft]

ice and fire ones

only problem now is that i need to kill one

cause they are all female

lmao

[normal raft]

downside to charming dragons, since i think wild dragons have their growth factor stuck to 0(to make all the naturallly spawning dragons become lvl 5 at one point)they seem to be stuck in stage 3

you can absolutely breed them though so just breed one of them and kill it i guess lol

[ember bear]

Wait... Charm from Ars Elemental works on Ice & Fire dragons?!

[ashen wind]

Until next update yes

[ember bear]

Oh boi second way to instant tame dragons after the Corail's Tombstone mod lmao

[normal raft]

how do you grow dragons

[ember bear]

Feed them Dragon Meal

[normal raft]

#off-topic was talked about but i think charming dragons have their growth stunted

so they're forever stuck

now that i got their eggs time to kill them

[ember bear]

As for how to tame them with Corail's:

• Get the ankh of praying
• Be tanky enough to not die immediately
• Be at positive karma.
• Use the ankh of praying on the dragon and once the ritual is complete the dragon is tamed

[ember bear]

Tbh I mostly use charmed dragons as workers on the dragon forge or if that's not the case and I have one of each element, I get them in Jars for the Drygmy farm to get infinite dragon materials (dragon forge from one dragon goes brr)

[normal raft]

oh thats a good idea

do they still drop scales?

time to collect all of them in a bottle

[normal raft]

this might be farfetched, but could there something be like a "attuned spell parchment" or "attuned reactive" where just like a caster tome it mimics the school focus of magics

[ember bear]

Iirc Drygmy farm makes all mobs to drop every drop they have (although some may be rarer than others) only mods that add mobs or new drops to already established mobs via an... As I'd like to call it "anti non vanilla mob grinding soft lock" - a.k.a an equip able curio, item, weapon or enchant - aren't having their drops farmed via Drygmy farm

[versed sundial]

Hey y'all I'm new here but I've been playing ars eclectica (which basically just an ars nouveau mod pack with all of the addons) however I am running into some issues with ars elemental and ars elemancy, mainly that I can't craft the elemental focuses because there doesn't seem to be a recipe for the lesser focuses and there isn't anything in in-world documentation about it. Additionally one of the items needed for the better focus was I believe something called a mastery focus but I wasn't sure how to acquire one of these

[hard citrus]

I'm not an idiot - sirens spawn in warm oceans, riiight?

[hard citrus]

I'm not an idiot. They're just stupid rare.

(0.7.1.5) I don't think they should be doing this

How do I bind these things to an inventory?

[lyric echo]

Inventory goes next to the shrine

[hard citrus]

Thanks

[ashen wind]

It was fixed in the latest, you can use a coral or a kelp to force the variant texture, even updating might need to manually color the existing ones tho

Since the wild ones despawn and respawn it shouldn't be a large scale problem tho

[hard citrus]

Yay!

[paper thicket]

Can someone provode information on focus of necromancy

Thanks

Tag me btw

[delicate pine]

Should be in the book

How the heck did I get in ars elemental chat

[paper thicket]

Lol

[clever cave]

Has anyone experienced the "Particle Error" message when booting a pack with elemental, its an issue with specifically elemental and none of my friends are able to find a fix

[ashen wind]

Is it the one with people using Modrinth Ars? It happens on 1.20

Because Ars dropped Modrinth support, and Elemental needs the latest version of Ars

[clever cave]

Yeah, figured that out

[indigo oracle]

so can yall tell me why the earth charm doesnt make envenom, poison, and spores affect the wither when i know for a fact he is undead cuz heal hurts him?

[ashen cargo]

Probably as Bailey already told you, MC bosses like the Wither and Ender Dragons are immune to effects like poison

[indigo oracle]

zombies and other undead are too. the trinket works on them

sigh

i just wana play a poison mage, but its too much to ask due to MC nonsense

[ashen wind]

*to all potion effects

It's not even a specific immunity

[indigo oracle]

sad

guess i need to find or make a mod that removes that

so i can have my power fantasy

😛

public boolean canBeAffected(MobEffectInstance p_34192_) {
return ModTag.EFFECTIVE_FOR_BOSSES_LOOKUP.contains(p_34192_.getEffect()) && super.canBeAffected(p_34192_);

would this work?

[rough whale]

What is the best way to include a dependency on Elemental for 1.21 now - should I still be using deobf with curse.maven? (For Ars Technica)
I was also thinking to perhaps to add a conditional recipe (or something like this) since the only thing I will be depending on is the Mark of Mastery.

If I just copy over the item definition and register it with the same name and mod id (ars_elemental), it wouldn't duplicate for players that are using both mods I suppose?

[ashen wind]

No need of deobf in Neoforge

You can also use the maven instead of curse

[rough whale]

Gotcha, thanks!

[ashen wind]

For the second part, yes avoid doing that

Go for just conditional recipes

If elemental is loaded -> recipe with mark enabled. If not -> alternative recipe

[ashen wind]

The line needed for this is on the readme

[lyric echo]

Check All The Arcanist Gear for conditional datagen recipes, specifically depending on Elemental

https://github.com/Jarva/All-The-Arcanist-Gear/blob/main/src/main/java/com/github/jarva/allthearcanistgear/datagen/RecipeDatagen.java

[native quail]

I just realized that Ars Nouveau and Elemental spells are missing the rather critical is_fire/is_freezing/is_lightning damage tag which is used in many other mods, and most importantly to deal elemetanl weakness to certain mobs (looking at you, srp-like).

[ashen wind]

Weird that I added the c/ tags to my tags but not the opposite

[native quail]

The way it's currently setup is good, just needed to add the Ars_Nouveau and Ars_Elemental spells to forge and minecraft tags.

[ashen wind]

ok so, for base ars and spark it's legit and i can try send a pr. magic fire on the other hand needs to not be tagged or it will trigger fire resistances (which is the whole reason the damage type exists).

[ashen wind]

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/tree/ed8c8aca06dcdfad8b25c4a4690857bdc8d108f8/src/generated/resources/data/minecraft/tags/damage_type
It's not?

as i remembered, they were added long ago

[native quail]

bypasses_resistance should allow burning blazes

[ashen wind]

wiki says it simply allow to bypass the Resistance potion

[tacit chasm]

is it intended that the magelights from tablet of forestation (archwood) will delete any blocks that are where they attempt to be placed?

[ashen wind]

Update elemental

It was a bug fixed in latest

[tacit chasm]

ah oki good to know

i cant update tho im on a modpack/server

but good to know its known and fixed

[native quail]

Is hellfire meant to deal damage based on level or damage source's spell damage attribute?

[ashen wind]

That damage type is just a swap for any fire damage to become a different damage type that can actually hit fire immune mobs

[ashen wind]

No the status doesn't deal damage

[native quail]

Also an entity with the fire resistance potion effect.

[ashen wind]

having the fire focus and after inflicting the effect, dealing fire tagged damage to a fire immune mob cancels the original attack and another attack with that hellfire damage source is made, using the original damage amount.

it's not a matter of tags, it's coded behavior

[native quail]

Yes, but the tag does determine the damage actually being applied.

Blaze should be immune to fire damage in general.

[ashen wind]

that's why i change the damage type, using a damage not tagged as fire

if hellfire were to be tagged again as fire damage, a loop would be expected

[ashen wind]

does the same happen without the datapack?

unsure on why it doesn't loop back with hellfire tagged as fire, i am curious to check

[native quail]

Armors weren't tagged properly either.

[native quail]

Nevermind, my folder name was wrong(loop triggered).

Maybe have a check that if tag is_fire and damage type not hellfire just in case something happens with other packs? Will continue to test if the change would work

java.lang.LinkageError: loader constraint violation: loader 'MC-BOOTSTRAP' @229d10bd wants to load interface org.apache.logging.log4j.util.MessageSupplier. (org.apache.logging.log4j.util.MessageSupplier is in module [email protected] of loader 'MC-BOOTSTRAP' @229d10bd, parent loader 'bootstrap')

[native quail]

Sorry about my constant bothering, but there are a multitude of mobs which can only be damaged with fire from other mods, which this mod overrides.

[sharp parcel]

Just noticed how the armor sets are missing both the ars_nouveau:magic_armor tag, as well as the individual magic_hood, magic_robe, magic_legs, and magic_boot tags

[ashen wind]

Aren't those the tags I add myself for crafting the T4

[feral vine]

FYI, ovver in general-and-help. #general-and-help message

[rugged helm]

why is there a forest for the blazing, cascading, flourishing (i think its called that, the green one) and flashing archwood trees but theres none for vexing (at least on the curseforge page)?

[native quail]

A minor thing, but flashing/Yellow Archwood lacks cutting recipes for create.

[sharp parcel]

I know that the wood variant is lacking the stipped_wood tag.

[rough whale]

About this, you also opened a ticket for this in Ars Technica - your question here and the ticket there, it's only about the magic_armor and magic_{itemType} tags, not the rest? At least I didn't understand from reading the Ars Nouveau source how/if those are added 🤔

[ashen wind]

https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Elemental/blob/1.21/src%2Fmain%2Fjava%2Falexthw%2Fars_elemental%2Fdatagen%2FAETagsProvider.java#L70

I make them for the elemental armor recipes

So I don't have to put the three armors in the recipe explicitly

The magic armor tag generic is probably tied to how previous spellcaster bag accepted it. But now it's general purpose

[sharp parcel]

In Ars Technician I commented on how it's missing all tags

[lyric echo]

They're being added to base now also

[rough whale]

Huhmm. Still, don't know how Ars Nouveau is adding those other tags that don't start with magic but okay

[sharp parcel]

Minecraft Life just gave us a flying mount

[ornate lava]

You could say it was a vexing state of affairs.

[feral vine]

I am a Gast you'd reach for such a pun.

[native quail]

Does hellfire take into consideration other forms of damage boost to a fire damage before the damage is committed?(for example some accessory in another magic mod, origins or a skill mod)

[ashen wind]

In theory if the damage buffs are already applied it's gonna keep it, but the damage pipeline was reworked between 1.20 and 1.21.

And at least for 1.21, the fire immunity check is so early that fire resistance needs the swap before damage is even attempted, but they made an event so I can cancel the fire immunity keeping the original damage source

For 1.20 I don't remember well, there is an event for when damage is attempted and one to calc the damage

Iirc the damage swap need to happen on damage attempt and most mods add when damage is confirmed

[stark condor]

Question on the advanced prisms, since I'm not at a PC to test. They can add modifiers right?

Is there a limitation to which augments? Specifically it was brought up this morning, we were talking about modifying conjure terrain dynamically to swap what it created

Basically my thought is to build a system to pick and choose which prisms/modifiers get added, so I can have a selector for what I want to make

[ashen wind]

No it can only add pierces to the projectile. Doesn't add augments first because there's not a good way to tell where it would go, and there is high chance it would be abused even worse somehow

[stark condor]

Hmm. So if I wanted for instance mud or cobble, id need separate turrets for the conjure terrain spell

One with terrain water, the other terrain amp

And dirt would need just terrain

Hmm... Spreadsheet time

Only pierce via adv prisms. Which I can still definitely use, to increase the overall blocks created at the end of the selection

But I can't control the route through a network of prisms to change what I get out of it. Ok. Thanks!

[ashen wind]

I guess a lens that can be inscribed with a spell can be made

[stark condor]

Oh?

[ashen wind]

Just need to enforce the glyph limit afterall

[stark condor]

As in it currently can be made? Or you mean could be added?

[ashen wind]

Could be added

[stark condor]

Ah. I'm fine working with what already exists on this. It's just a selection is all. And it's a bit like the Omni tree farm. More to see what I can do

[full agate]

speaking of spell modification ive wanted to do something with controle and cc but im not sure how i want the player to supply glyphs. i guess annotated codex could work

[ashen wind]

Atm you can only have a turret for each block

And keep in mind stuff like the dirt/cobble variants from randomize are randomized so you can't have full control on that

[full agate]

also dont forget about the blocks you can get with

yeah

[stark condor]

Yeah it won't be 100% deterministic. But honestly I just want a selection panel anyway

Reading that code snippet.

Diorite, andesite, etc. those are "if it would have been stone, but you add random" right?

So minimum, that's terrain, amp, random, smelt

[full agate]

random has to be after smelt

actually wait

uhhh

im not too sure but i think thats the case?

[stark condor]

Lol yeah I'd have to test to know the order. I think smelt is at the end because it randomizes the conjure terrain (the augment for terrain) and then checks the "next" glyph if it's smelt to decide it needs stone. And if it would have been stone, and it is randomized, then it makes it andesite or whatever instead

And if I recall, the AOE goes on just the conjure terrain

[full agate]

conjure terrain is a cursed glyph

as cursed as my filter modifiers

if not more cursed

[stark condor]

Yeah and I'm pretty sure every single one of these would need its own turret

Oh no.... I could do this with parchment....

Swap a parchment and use one turret to apply a parchment to the actual conjure terrain turret

Yeah that's the only logical choice on this if I want everything

Not a nice way to swap that though outside a lectern

[stark condor]

Making a chart. From what I can tell, there's 4 "next glyphs":

Nothing, water, smelt, crush.

It can be randomized or not.

0, 1, or 2 amps.

Amp amp gets cobbled deepslate, amp amp smelt gets regular deepslate.

Since I can also get regular deepslate by a smelt break extract turret on the break side, I don't need to include a conjure side spell for deepslate.

Water only has one variant: mud. Amps and random dont matter. So only one state.

Smelt is only ever combined with one amp. And is either random or not. So really only two states there.

Crush has 4 states. 0 and 1 amp. Random or not.

No next glyph also has 4 states. 0,1,2 amp. And 0 amp with random.

That's not too bad

11 conjure spells is all I need to have. And a nice way to select it

[lavish coral]

why cant you soulbind focii?

O,.,o????

that's like the second most important item though?

not even with commands

,.,<

[lavish coral]

do different types of tropical fishes or numbers of fishes help with the siren charm count??

[obsidian tundra]

Any plans on updating the Anima Essence's icon to something similar to the new essence art?

[stark condor]

Edible and coated in sugar

[ornate lava]

Water > smelt makes clay. I think another smelt makes terracotta. Wololo let's you wololo, so you can make at least 7 colors of terracotta(I don't know if you can get the other colors with being fiddly with the number sliders)
Yet another smelt should make glazed.
I pretty much have a book just for painting in terracotta

[ornate lava]

Excuse me what

[stark condor]

This message lists it

Oh wrong message

[stark condor]

Sure. But that's basically just applying the break side of things

[ornate lava]

Fair. This does matter alot to create users though. It directly cuts out 66% of a gold farm.

[native quail]

Is there anyway to disable the Fire Focus's hellfire addition for the moment? (on 1.20.1 for that matter)

[lyric echo]

Do you want to disable hellfire or the iframe skip?

[native quail]

Hellfire.

There are certain mods where mobs require is_fire damage to kill.

Does turning off Iframe Skip also prevent conversion into hellfire?

[ashen cargo]

not to my knowledge, no

Jarva probably asked that assuming you wanted to disable hellfire to disable the IFrame skip

why not just remove the fire focus for those mobs?

[ashen wind]

need to figure out how to avoid the first thing, that was basically using

[paper thicket]

Hello

I have a question

I think elemental makes it so that summoned lightning doesn't affect blocks etc

Like items

Does the lightning caused by the shocking thread come under "summoned lightning"

And does it also not affect dropped items

[ashen wind]

The lightning from the thread is natural, not summoned

So no, it doesn't have the benefits of the item entity protection

[paper thicket]

Oh

Okay thx for answering

[native quail]

The only mod which modifies natural lightning so far to my knowledge is Forgery/Fabrication, which disable setting blocks on fire.

[ashen wind]

seems to respect limits now

@stark condor

[ashen wind]

unsure how you make the complex system, but it's feasible in theory

each prism will take the cost of the full spell as toll

[full agate]

would this let you go above the glyph limit?

[ashen wind]

so if you have for example a starting spell of 100, then append 50 on three prisms, you get
100 + (100 + 50) + (100 + 50 * 2) + (100 + 50 * 3) as total cost

discounts may apply, but only consumption and not on feasibility check

the prism will look in a 10 blocks range tho, so you should be fine by having a relay line nearby

ah nvm, the source util still only look for source jars

since the prisms are omnidirectional, you can have them diverge as much as you want to collect augments then make all converge on a single chaining prism that adds break aoe pickup

[ashen wind]

it's capped by infinite glyph config in theory

ah nvm, i made a standalone config

because there's atm books too so it's better to give control over it

[ashen wind]

unsure on the recipe to give it

Also I should probably test interaction with propagate projectile

Shouldn't be too exploitable in theory, what matters is the end of the chain for the lens. Using a burst prop would just save mana on the turret and not on the lens

[stark condor]

That looks like it's going to be fun

I hadn't seen the new clips when you asked this morning

[buoyant rampart]

Uh

Conjure terrain

Random int 5

default is blackstone, but that would (should?) never trigger

wondering why blackstone

[lavish coral]

Think this has been reported as a bug like yesterday or something!

:3

[buoyant rampart]

oo

[waxen mist]

where can i find a spark flower? cant seem to get one

ah will make a ritual and add flashing sapling and do that - will do for now 😄

[ashen wind]

it only spawn on flashing forests, flashing augment on arch forestation ritual should do yeah

[sweet gust]

Asked in general and got directed here-
Is there a way to generate andesite and the other stone blocks using Randomize?

Conjure Terrain says it cant be augmented by Randomize, but I just wanted to make absolute certain if Im missing something
On 1.20, latest version of base and elemental

[ashen wind]

That feature was added only in 1.21

[sweet gust]

dangit
Okay, thank you

[ashen wind]

If I ever get to make something fitting. Idk if I should try to simply reshade it or change it completely

At the moment, I'm not sure on how it should be. Especially cause it's animated

[ashen wind]

life where

it's not just death

[heavy sleet]

have little hearts in the eyes 😄

[stark condor]

There it is. The new anime essence

🙂

[lone sundial]

didnt know we had an anime school of magic

[stark condor]

It's the big eyes

[lone sundial]

[ornate lava]

Reminder that transmute essence can be used to turn 8 stone into 8 andesite. Just put it in a create crafter or tell a wixie to do it

[sweet gust]

Manipulation essence turns granite into andesite, not stone into andesite, unless there's an addon that changes it

[ornate lava]

Oh, no, i goofed. I think it eventually chains to andesite. I have so much of the stuff i just eat the reduced rates and have a spell to conjure stone so I never have to mine for/care about storing vanilla rocks.

[hollow umbra]

is ars elemental compatible with the latest verson of ars

[delicate pine]

assuming you dont get either from modrinth, yes

[hollow umbra]

Alr ty you have any idea on why elemental could be causing crashes on launch?

[delicate pine]

Post your crash report... Upload it to mclo.gs and post the link here

[ashen wind]

the only one you posted so far didn't even mention elemental

[hollow umbra]

Alr

[hollow umbra]

I swear I did what, sorry

[hollow umbra]

https://mclo.gs/zVvYBHv

[delicate pine]

you have a 1.21 mod in your 1.20 instance

amplified nether

[hollow umbra]

thats not even installed on the profile

[hollow umbra]

i seen it in all the crashlogs and when i either disabled or completely removed it from the profile it still showed up

[delicate pine]

Oo

[ashen wind]

well, blame the launcher

and open the actual folder and yeet it away

since files don't randomly end up in folders, usually

[hollow umbra]

yeah its not there

im not trolling if you think i am ive been tryna figure this out for hours last night

[sharp parcel]

I am kind of exited that Minecraft has now all 4 elemental steed mobs

[stark condor]

Don't rely on Windows search. It's sucked since 95

[paper thicket]

There is a search everything tool out there that works better than windows search lol

[orchid cape]

What is the "protection of the elements spellbook" that ars elemental offers

[ashen cargo]

Makes your book immune to fire and cacti when you accidentally drop it

[rough whale]

I got a comment for Ars Technica;
"absolutely needs an update with ATM armor upgrades. atm there is 0 reason to use the awesome looking armor in this mod since i can upgrade my ARS gear up to unobtanium completely outclassing technicas Technomancer armor"

Made me wonder if there is some compat mod between AE and ATM?

[sweet gust]

“Why would I use the armor from this mod, when there’s armor from a totally different mod, made specifically to scale Ars higher than usual”

Like, I kinda get it
But at the same time, not everything needs to be scaled like that?

What does the Ars technica armor do, I only remember that it has a fancy top hat or something

[lyric echo]

AE?

[rough whale]

Ars Elemental

[lyric echo]

Oh Ars Elemental, no the ATM gear is an upgrade to the Elemental gear

I can update the ATM armor recipes to allow upgrade from technomancer gear, but not much other integration i could do

[rough whale]

It mainly gives you a damage negation for Create machinery and increases speed of schematic cannons. The top hat gives you the Create Goggles

[sweet gust]

Oh that’s neat!

Crushing wheel protection lmao

[rough whale]

Yeah agree, but also I don't get the point of that. It's basically the same. I think maybe the person that posted this comment does not understand what the purpose of the Technica armor is.

[lyric echo]

Technica armor is upgraded from Elemental right?

[rough whale]

No, it's upgraded from Tier 3 vanilla Ars armor, same as Elemental

[lyric echo]

Ah okay

Then yeah I can enable both upgrade paths

[ashen wind]

Any talking point with end game gear shadowing late game gear is dumb

[rough whale]

Or do I just need to do something in Ars Technica to get that going? Like if it's tag-based

[lyric echo]

It's a conditional recipe, I'll set it up in ATAG

[ashen wind]

Tell them to use cosmetic armor / transmog to have th cool of the armor with the power of the ATM

Atm must have one mod of that type no?

[lyric echo]

Probably yeah, is Technica in an ATM pack?

[rough whale]

I don't know, if you mean a modpack

[sweet gust]

I don’t think it is, unless it’s been added to ATM10 recently

[rough whale]

But I don't get the point of an upgrade path, if a user's point is going to get the ATM armors, you might as well skip the Technica/Elemental armor. Unless it's more of a long-term upgrade path (I don't know how hard it is to obtain ATM armors 😀)

[ashen wind]

They can't skip

[lyric echo]

It's in All The Magic Arcana

[ashen wind]

If there is elemental armor loaded, they have to take the step

[lyric echo]

https://www.modpackindex.com/modpack/finder?included_mods=64786,65787

[rough whale]

Oh interesting

[lyric echo]

All the packs that benefit from having the conditional recipe, so I'll add it

[ashen wind]

Jarva would just let them choose between elemental armor or tech armor as the step

[lyric echo]

Yeah exactly

[sweet gust]

Oh dang, really??
I still need to get around to Arcana

[lyric echo]

So they can choose Elemental upgrade, or technomancer upgrade to get to Allthemodium

[rough whale]

If you upgrade to Allthemodium you will lose your Elemental armor perk at the moment?

[lyric echo]

Yep

They have different perks, people can stick with Elemental or technomancer or whatever they want, but Allthemodium is the upgrade path required to get to Unobtainium which is end game armor

[sweet gust]

The obvious solution is to create ATM versions of all the elemental armor, that wouldn’t be too hard /j

[rough whale]

I think that would be hard but

Maybe I could put in a compat for if you have All The Arcanist Gear that would allow you to craft a focus that gives you the technomancer perk, crafted with AllTheModium

[lyric echo]

ATAG Default Upgrade Path:
Tier 3 -> Allthemodium -> Vibranium -> Unobtainium
If Elemental is loaded:
Tier 3 -> Elemental -> Allthemodium...
After integration if Technica is loaded:
Tier 3 -> Technomancer -> Allthemodium...

[rough whale]

Or even a separate curio slot altogether

[lyric echo]

That could be cool

Or integration could go into ATAG if its easier

[rough whale]

I would need to make some mixin changes for AT, probably easiest to do it there 🤔

[ashen wind]

You can setup a skeleton and let atag use it/ enable it?

[lyric echo]

Yeah, a curio that ATAG adds a recipe for

[rough whale]

I could do that, sure! I will cook something up

[lyric echo]

Sounds good, let me know when you have something released, I'll probably be quite slow with ATAG because life is busy

[rough whale]

Would it work for ATAG if I make something that will check for any curio that has a specific NBT, e.g. ars_technica:technomancer_perk ?

[lyric echo]

Could do yeah, then I can just add that nbt, but curios use item components right?

[ashen wind]

yes, they're just stuck in the past

with naming things

[rough whale]

oh actually I mean item tag, we can use that I suppose, not NBT

still get a bit confused about this sometimes, i'm slow

[ashen wind]

makes more sense

[lyric echo]

Item tag would be much better yeah

[waxen mist]

will the T3 armour you upgrade from (i.e. gold / iron / diamon) effect the T4 and upwards spell thread slots? or will they always be 3 / 2 / 1?

one of each level

[ashen cargo]

Threads will always be the same

[waxen mist]

cool thank you 🙂

[ornate lava]

Thanks for that BTW. I love niche side grades. As opposed to simply 'crunch numbers for most dmg/defense'. Feels like having actual options instead of a math problem XD

[tribal moon]

is Ars Elemental available from any mavens? I need a reference to Static Charged

[ashen wind]

It's written in the GitHub readme

[tribal moon]

I should have checked there lol

[primal grotto]

So it seems that Sirens can spawn in Archwood Forests on 1.21.1.

This one spawned in a fountain in a CTOV village that generated here.

[lavish coral]

Cool I think I ntocie this. It's nice!

[waxen mist]

I saw few posts in last few weeks about randomizer/ block making visual was being worked on - was anything shared or finalised? Trying to sort my block generation and not sure what's possible beyond initial rocks/ sand etc

[tribal moon]

Trying to add Flashpine foods to Ars Delight with my YAFDA mod. It's going swimmingly (I've since got it to work)

[feral vine]

Ars Elemental 0.6.7.8 seems to have some missing localizations on the new single-tree biomes.

[ornate lava]

Huh, something just occured to me. Non player entities have infinite mana. Does that make them invincible if they have Reactive 4 mana bubble activated?

[ashen wind]

not invincible but with a permanent flat damage reduction

[north heron]

Never knew this was an add-on chat

[paper thicket]

lol

[dull frigate]

Oh wait that's really good to know

[stark condor]

Another lich discovers villager abuse

[ashen cargo]

I'll just leave this here: https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1338024718841806908

[feral vine]

IDK about Ars Hex, but how have I never tried using with a broom at range?

It's basically instant riding as long as you can even slightly clip the broom's hitbox.

[ornate lava]

Ooo, sounds interesting. Parkour/puzzle challenge? Gravity field, so you gotta use wierd ways to get around?

[tepid osprey]

So, trying to make a nice siren aquarium in ATM10 v1.21 (not that I have gobs of experience with sirens in other versions, but in case it matters), Previously I found a siren in a coral-reef pool about two chunks across and just left it there, raising the edges a little so it wouldn't jump out. Pool had squid, fish, plenty of coral, the occasional drowned though that didn't seem to add to loot.

Currently I can see that the siren shrine thingy shows a 'Aquarium Bonus: 72' and I was just wondering what the scale of 'optimal' is here...Like I know if you've got 72 on a whirlisprig you should expect to wake up with it sawing at your throat with a wooden knife, because that's not even close to the 'content' rating, much less the 'happy' rating.
It has a buttload of live coral and fans in a 7x7x5 'tank' (even if the live coral were '50 blocks' which they aren't, that should leave around 200 water blocks) with an airgap at the top and a buncha trapdoors and slabs, as well as a trio of herring, a carp, a crab, a halibut, a couple of jellies, a manta ray, and a tropical fish. I've got a 4, 3, 2, and 1 of sea pickles on the bottom as well as some algae (Oh, I should add kelp!) .

I didn't want to put a puffer in because I was worried about it killing other fish.

Any other things I should add more of to try to get numbers up? I've seen lobsters and shrimp but not recently so I need to go hunting for them again, I guess.

Also, can sirens gen prismarine?

[crystal rivet]

Ars elemental friends, is earth magic worth speccing into?

Or should I just go 1 of the other 3

[ornate lava]

It's good in general? Conjure then launch deeps late does respectable damage at long range with good precision. The utility of terrain/block generation is great for building since you never need to carry around shulkers full of stone or glass again. Poison Blossom does warden melting dps. You certainly can't go wrong with it unless all you want is maximum damage.

[crystal rivet]

Sorry I should've specified, I just meant like going all in on gear, bangles, focus etc

I usually go w/ Air magic stuff if I'm playing on a server w/ stuff like Mek, or other tech mods cuz for pvp it's obviously a lot more useful.

[full agate]

i usually go for air armor with earth or shapers focus

you can always mix and match

[ornate lava]

Well the armour set bonus is nigh useless unless you're going full dwarf so that's one point against it. I think the poison Blossom works pretty well against mek armour but I'm not sure... Don't remember what the curios do tbh

[lyric echo]

I've received request for lifelink to ignore damage from bypass invulnerable because /kill on someone lifelinked could instakill the person they're attached to

[ashen wind]

It does use the same damage type so that was something bound to happen