Ars Omega

[ashen sigil]

just aslong as its not like karlson

[deep sluice]

lol

[ashen sigil]

ì thank you for all your hard work

[deep sluice]

it's gonna end up being like the Cuphead DLC or like the cave update

it'll happen... eventually
but it'll be way longer than both you users and I the dev ever wanted

[ashen sigil]

ine with that

[deep sluice]

I sorta just made this addon for myself, publishing it and having it be usable was more of a happy little accident

(mostly, anyway. the port to 1.19 is mostly for all the people moving on from 1.18 though, I'm still stuck there for a while longer in my own worlds)

[deep sluice]

except the worst part is it won't even be delayed to make it better
just, delayed to make it work at all
because time is hard to find 😦

[ashen sigil]

this box needs shaders to work right lol

[deep sluice]

lol what

[ashen sigil]

fuck

[naive ore]

oh I remember that bug

[deep sluice]

doesn't seem related to omega lol

[naive ore]

yeah it isnt

but since your here Death, try switching to rubidium instead of optifine

[ashen sigil]

does it have dynamic lighting?

[naive ore]

it doesnt have shaders by default but I think so

if you want shaders there is an addon called oculus

[ashen sigil]

how do i fix it

[naive ore]

I switched from optifine

basically rubidium and oculus are like sodium and iris but ported to forge

rubidium is much better for fps anyway IIRC

[ashen sigil]

ok but does it have build it dynamic light?

[naive ore]

I am 90% sure it does

[ashen sigil]

give me a link them

then

[naive ore]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/rubidium
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/oculus

oh

there is also an addon for dynamic lights

so not by default

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/dynamiclights-reforged

[ashen sigil]

thank you magma felon

[naive ore]

no problem, also magma is when im underground and im currently aboveground

[deep sluice]

oh yea optifine SUCKS there's no reason to ever use it in this day and age
it's 2023 people there are better choices now
(like Lava just shared lol, thanks Lava)

[naive ore]

well I have one reason to use it

I dont think rubidium has the custom player model feature that optifine has and I dont want to remake my models for other mods

[ashen sigil]

wait

[ashen sigil]

is there a way to have 2 shaders at the same time

[naive ore]

dont think so no\

[ashen sigil]

HMMMM i am inraged

[naive ore]

Like can rubidium allow you to show this locally for yourself?

and yes thats a custom sword on the back that I made and a crown and a badge on the front of the armor

[ashen sigil]

wat

[deep sluice]

hmm probably not

but, like, why do you need that

[ashen sigil]

wait can i have blocky outer layers?

[deep sluice]

is it worth stuff randomly breaking all the time?
I decided no long ago

[ashen sigil]

what?

[naive ore]

oh also I can use optifine to mark allies and enemies

[ashen sigil]

?????

h o w

why do you need it i just remember

[deep sluice]

ok that does sound new

[ashen sigil]

ok this is new how do i use it

[ashen sigil]

where are my shaders

[deep sluice]

why y'all doing this in the Ars Omega chat though

[naive ore]

um

good question

ok im gonna go find a way to make these models omega related

[ashen sigil]

@naive ore WHERE ARE MY SHADERS

[naive ore]

Did you download oculus

and dynamic lights reforged

I gave the links

[ashen sigil]

mp and nmo

i got this

where the fuck are my shaders

[naive ore]

you need the addon for shaders

Shaders: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/oculus
Dynamic Lights: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/dynamiclights-reforged

[ashen sigil]

I NEED BOTH OF THEM??

[naive ore]

I said what they added before the links

neither are required to use the other

[ashen sigil]

do i need them tho bc i alreayd have shaders i want to use

JUST TELL ME HOW TO TURN ON MY SHADERS ALREAYD GOD DAM IT YOU ARE NOT MAKEING ME WANT IT ANYMORE THIS SI WHY MOST PPL USE OPTFINE ITS LESS HARD TO USE JSUT TELL ME ALREAYD GOD DAM IT

ITS A THIGN TO LOAD SHADERS YET THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT SHADERS IN IT

[naive ore]

YOU NEED THE FIRST ONE FOR SHADERS! OPTIFINE SHADERS WORK

Now calm down and back to omega related things

[deep sluice]

why don't you head to #off-topic though

[naive ore]

Speaking of omega, now its the omega character from the greek alphabet

[ashen sigil]

TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK I NEED

[naive ore]

anyway im done here

[naive ore]

Continue this in off topic

[deep sluice]

also he already did lol

WTF

BRUH ARE YOU KIDDING ME

I forgot to push the most recent 1.18 changes before forking to make my 1.19 version

😭 😭 😭 😭

[naive ore]

NOOOOO

Now I cant use those changes

[ashen sigil]

e

shift key was not stuck at all >:3

[deep sluice]

welp, back to more compiler errors lol

nevermind back to fighting gradle because it broke for no reason

[deep sluice]

update: new features compile AND I can open my inventory! yay!

hmm, my potion effects crash the game though 😦

this is gonna take a while lol

[naive ore]

I say have a special bit of code that if death ever uses caps lock in game it instantly crashes

just caps lock, no other key should have the effect

[deep sluice]

lol no

[brazen oyster]

Well hey, the mod’s not too broken

[deep sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-tis-but-a-scratch-gif-12051667

[brazen oyster]

Exactly!

[naive ore]

1 glyph: Diamond

Granted that is something that needs to be enabled in the config and it has been improved through nerfing it

[deep sluice]

wrong type of broken

you're thinking of the mod breaking outside balance factors

but this broken is outside updates breaking the mod

[thorn folio]

I've never used ars omega cause I started ars in 1.19. 2 ,but have heard good things about the addom but says in many places diamond is overpowered. What exactly does it do?

Kinda tempted to just open a 1.18 world to try it.

[deft hornet]

https://www.arsnouveau.wiki/ addon selection -> omega

[thorn folio]

Oh thanks. Didn't know that existed as I never used the wiki.

How do I get that to show all the tier 4 glyphs if that is possible?

[deft hornet]

uh, it stopped working for omega

@ornate osprey

[thorn folio]

Ah alright. Will just get 1.18 to try it out when I get home. Not really a problem.

Also the wiki half works for omega still, as it shows the tier 1, 2, and 3, just can't show 4.

[deft hornet]

Might be tied to dev pushing changes to the git

Since the wiki takes directly from the repositories

Probably this is confusing the wiki script, but idk how Sarenor did setup it, nor why SoSo splitted https://github.com/dkmk100/ArsOmega/tree/9b5d0739bcd084b1ee1d09af47916ddd98833de6/src/main/resources/data/arsomega/patchouli_books

[thorn folio]

Alright thanks 😄.

[deep sluice]

Ye I broke stuff oops

[deep sluice]

Well, I've nerfed it to a fairly reasonable level
It used to just spawn OP resources out of thin air
Now, it can convert alchemical stone (a pricey block I added) into alchemical diamond ore, which drops alchemical diamonds. They can be used for a bunch of tool recipes and stuff, but not all the magic ones so regular diamonds are still of some value.

[brazen oyster]

how broken exactly would you rate the mod now on a scale from one to world corruption?

[deft hornet]

World corruption if you remove it

[brazen oyster]

Well

That’s not terrible

Ae2 does the same thing

[deep sluice]

which, for the record, is not my fault
it's a vanilla bug that forge doesn't let you avoid

[deep sluice]

on 1.18.2? a 2/10 unless you change the mods in your pack very frequently, since again you can't remove it because heck mojang

the new 1.19.2 version I'm working on? easily a 9/10 or 10 /10 lol

[naive ore]

Oh did you decide against the dimension or is it because it doesn’t exist yet XD

[thorn folio]

Ah alright. Thanks for the answer 🙂.

[thorn folio]

Things like this is why I make a backup of my world before I add a new mod everytime.

[vestal glade]

Love how they said "felon" instead of "feline". Almost seems like they know your play style, or something...

🤣😂🤣

[naive ore]

I’m 90% sure that was edited to say it afterward

I’m sure it used to say feline

Or cat

[thorn folio]

I am currently messing around with this addon in creative. Is there a reason that the enchant glyph isn't turning golden apples to enchanted golden apples even with 8 amiplifies or 8 advanced amplifies?

[vestal glade]

Focus of Alchemy.

Or maybe the advanced version. Idk

[vestal glade]

If you look at the recipe in JEI, it shows you both the amp level needed, and which of the foci you need for that many levels of Amplify to work.

[ornate osprey]

Noted, will investigate tomorrow. Could just be the github API issue though, we only get 50 calls per hour 😅

[deep sluice]

might also be that I changed the default branch, would that affect it?

[deep sluice]

you need some kind of alchemy focus I forget which one

are you on 1.18.2? In 1.16 there's not much in the way of JEI support or documentation but the book and JEI stuff are both pretty good in 1.18

[thorn folio]

Ah got it. Because I was toying around with it I never bothered installing it. Thanks for the help, will install it now.

[deep sluice]

ah

yea JEI is pretty useful for everything except sigil crafting

you pretty much need the worn notebook for that lol

[thorn folio]

Alright, thanks 🙂.

I couldn't find a focus to do it, however it said it needed 9 advanced amplifies, so using a casters wand made it work.

[deep sluice]

ahh

that might be why

I usually do everything with an arcane staff just to be
✨ extra ✨

[thorn folio]

Lol.

[deep sluice]

what are your thoughts on the mod so far? favorite and least favorite additions?

lol really dumb glyph ideas:
-undead augmentation: buffs undead mobs
-exoskeleton reinforcement: buffs arthropod mobs
-Illager enchantment: buffs illager mobs

[naive ore]

I like them 👍

Oh and if you use undead augment on a living mod it should debuff it

Like weakness and slowness corresponded to level of amps with each amp adding 1 level or perhaps every 2 amps adding 1 level

[deep sluice]

that doesn't make much sense honestly then it's just an excuse not to use potions

to fight enemies

[naive ore]

True

[deep sluice]

my thoughts behind these was just that my curse glyph turns stone to infested stone

and buffing the silverfish through the roof seemed like a very funny idea

[naive ore]

I mean if you could become an undead I would say it should change living to undead but well that’s not possible, well except for the horse in which case using it on a horse to change it to either a zombie or skeleton horse would be cool even if it doesn’t make much sense

[deep sluice]

that would fit a different glyph not this one

this is just a quick buff to summons

hopefully I could make it use a custom effect so it stacked with normal potion buffs

that would be fun

[naive ore]

Honestly I got the whole transform thing from the word augmentation but it wasn’t my first thought

[deep sluice]

also, an activate potion glyph could be fun
that way potion equipment isn't obsolete, but if you have TMG or wanna hit things far away, you can do it like that

[deft hornet]

Activate potion?

Do you mean infuse?

[deep sluice]

...

is that a thing lol

am I dumb

I am dumb

🤦

is it in 1.18?

that's what happens when you don't keep up with months and months of updates I guess

lol what why is it backwards

[deft hornet]

No, added with the potion update

[deep sluice]

figured

difuser looks fun

um, how does TMG deal with the issue of amplifies in 1.19? I'm not sure what to do about advanced amplify lol

[ornate osprey]

doesn't omega have a dedicated documentation branch anyways? If not, yeah that definitely breaks it

[deep sluice]

nope lol you were just using 1.18 because main was broken

all I did was make 1.18 the default branch

and create 2 new branches for 1.19 stuff
(why 2? I'm mad lol)

[ornate osprey]

Ah well. So where do I get my sweet, sweet working documentation sources? 😁

[deep sluice]

I've no idea
my mod's docuentation is a disgusting mess

[ornate osprey]

So I just add the (support is to be considered experimental) note back in until you're done?

[deep sluice]

I mean

I haven't touched it much since it was working lol

so it would be cool if you could figure out what broke

but if you can't no worries I need to get my project together anyway

the three guidebooks was a bad idea, I'm gonna make the other two items that give you achievements, and put the entries back in the main book

[ornate osprey]

Will do that then 👍 🙂

[deep sluice]

and then just lock them behind the achievements

[deft hornet]

Iirc it simply doesn't in Derr version. In my version it should take the same limit as amplify for the effect

[thorn folio]

Haven't used it much tbh. Used it for about 30 minutes - an hour and then left because me and my family watched a movie. Will play with it more later. However from what I did see, it seems well done. What I do quite like is the idea of a new dimension as ars doesn't have those. The only real thing is it isn't that easy to see in the dimension, but I am assuming that is intentional.

[deft hornet]

You can use on self to have night vision

[thorn folio]

I haven't got to trying out the sigils yet so can't comment on those. The glyphs however are cool and unique so quite fun to play around with. Overall seems like a good mod.

Oh was it just dark? I never even thought of that being the problem lol. Assumed it had a weird version of blindness.

I take back the comment I made about the vision then.

Once I have used it a bit more I can give some actual feedback.

[deft hornet]

I agree on the fact that it's not really cool to simply have the perpetual night

[thorn folio]

Main thing is it kinda looks like it is based on hell cause of the demons, so I expected it to be bright and have a bunch of fire.

[deft hornet]

I think there should be something more like a red static moon, so a bit more vision but a fog in the distance

[thorn folio]

That would make sense.

Except here me out, instead of fog it is smoke.

[deft hornet]

There are some lava pits

[thorn folio]

I saw that part.

I just mean on the higher surface, its kinda just dark and flat.

I wasn't in the dimension for long, so I could be mistaken.

[deft hornet]

If Soso didn't fix it, the demons might spawn on the air over the lava lakes and fall to their death, lol

[thorn folio]

Lol. But yeah. Other than the vision being dark in the dimension, overall seems like a well made addon.

Definitely fun to mess around with.

[deep sluice]

I thought I fixed it but IDK for sure

[brazen oyster]

how do the propagate spells work exactly?

[ornate osprey]

You hit something with projectile propagate orbit, and the thing you hit will act as the "caster" of orbit

[brazen oyster]

ah

i see

so would that mean casting it on summons is a good idea?

for semi-recursive summoning?

[ornate osprey]

not sure if that'll work tbh haven't played much with it. Try it out?

[brazen oyster]

ok

[ornate osprey]

@deep sluice seems like the wiki can't find the T4 categories and entries with the new default branch.
Should I point it to the 1.16.5 branch or would you prefer a different solution?

[brazen oyster]

so it does seem to work

which is more than a little funny

wait

nvm

they just keep casting things as if i cast them myself with anything other than projectile

and there doesnt seem to be any documentation on it beyond just a simple descriptor on the glyph

[deft hornet]

The propagators shouldn't trigger the summoning focus iirc

You can surely use it with self+something+prop orbit+something tho

[brazen oyster]

Uh

It worked for decoy

But that’s about it

So now I know a spell to summon about 50 decoys at once

But no super suicide vexs unfortunately

[deft hornet]

Also stuff like self+ propagate projectiles to make the summons shoot, I think

[brazen oyster]

Hmm

Unfortunate that I can only make a firing squad

[deep sluice]

That makes most sense for now, I was silly and split them into another book lol

[thorn folio]

Ohh if the wiki works off the base ars notebook then that would make the wiki not work for everything in the other book you added.

[thorn folio]

At least that is what I assume, idk much about how the wiki operates.

[deep sluice]

Yep

[ornate osprey]

Pretty much. I could actually make it pick up the other books as well if that's what you'd like, the functionality to pick up the same thing from multiple sources is already there, but if you want to still change it around a bit, I'll just point it to 1.16.5 and update to 1.18 once it's finalized

[deep sluice]

My main concern is that like hexcasting, some of my pages are gonna end up full of spoilers

Would it be possible to have spoiler pages give a spoiler warning and need an extra click to open? This just being based on if it's locked behind an achievement or which is how I'm planning to reorganize it back into the main book

[bronze cape]

patchouli has advancement required pages

[ornate osprey]

Would need to see how the "locked by achievement" ends up in the patchouli json but if it's part of the page json then I'm pretty sure that a spoiler warning could be implemented.

Gotta think about how to style it and present it to the user, but worst case, that's a fun little challenge for me

[deft hornet]

you can just look up to botania

they lock entries and hide categories with it

it's all in the json

[deep sluice]

Or hexcasting I'm pretty sure

Isn't that a patchouli as well?

[deft hornet]

iirc yes

[deep sluice]

Definitely uses the advancements

And they have a webpage set up that hides spoilers and shifty text until you click again to reveal

[ornate osprey]

uh. I might want to take a look at that, maybe they've come up with a better solution than my cobbled together hack job

Would you be fine if advancement locked pages were just behind an accordion like this?
https://www.skeleton.dev/components/accordions

With a heading like "Open at your own risk, spoiler inside" instead of Icon/Avatar/Numeral Heading like in the example page?
That way we could hide text, recipes, basically anything 🤷‍♂️

[deep sluice]

Yea that sounds good

Then I just have to fix the actual notebook pages lol

The spoiler ones will both require an achievement and on the first page say what collection they are from

So the lore ones would say "from the notebook of ___"

[ornate osprey]

Nice. So I just have to add another little speciality case that checks for the achievement tags and renders all the pages in an Accordion then.
Not sure when I'll get to that, theoretically tomorrow's a holiday and I should have time, but we're also going out for brunch, so I might just end up as a fat whale on the couch when we get home

[deep sluice]

Ok

[ashen sigil]

how is the codeing going

[deep sluice]

I'll let you know when I'm gonna push the notebook changes but it probably won't be for days anyway

[deep sluice]

On the port? Very slow, but a couple things work

The alpha is gonna be, like, super duper alpha and unfinished lol

[thorn folio]

I always say something is infinitely times more than nothing.

[thorn folio]

Why does the spell sigil petrify not have a page in the arcane compendium?

[ashen sigil]

its better then nothing

[deep sluice]

this is not going well, I keep finding more things that are hopelessly broken and barely being able to fix any of them

[thorn folio]

Slow and steady shall always win the race when there is no other people competing, so technically you are winning.

[harsh swan]

But I'm competing,
and I wanna win. :v

[deep sluice]

elaborate

[harsh swan]

I was trying to come up with some intricate and well thought out answer but I got nothing xD

[deep sluice]

more port progress!!

names and textures seem to work

except 2 which are still broken for reasons unknown to me

this little checklist is looking pretty good actually

[naive ore]

except for google being annoying it seems

darn autocorrect

oh discord doesn't say Fireball is wrong so that makes me wonder why that is underlined in red if it isnt google

[brazen oyster]

Wheyyy

Less bugs is good

[deep sluice]

tomorrow I'm gonna publish an alpha version somehow
might not even be on curseforge this sucks too much
but if not I'll put it here
I want it to at least exist

[brazen oyster]

noice

[deep sluice]

well, I'm gonna try to anyway

the mod is super not ready to play and will break stuff and itself

but, why not right

[brazen oyster]

as soon as it goes live, i'm going to shove it into a super high tech modpack

[deep sluice]

bad idea

poor idea

[brazen oyster]

and watch the balance crumble

[deep sluice]

after the first version of this I'm gonna go back to 1.18.2 industria and omega to do one last round of cool features, I'm not ready to abandon it yet

then I'll go back to the 1.19.2 port including fixing it up
and then I'll port industria

[brazen oyster]

very noice

now i won't have to completely rebuild a 1.19 modpack

[deep sluice]

what do you mean by that

are you on 1.18 or 1.19
and why would you have to rebuild

also, bakc up your worl dand your pack before trying anything alpha

doesn't strike me as safe, who knows how well this plays with existing worlds

probably fine but I wouldn't risk it

yoooo the bound wither still mostly works

in fact I think this is the most broken part

dang that went well lol

for real

[brazen oyster]

Fr

I’m on 1.18

[deep sluice]

oh

oooh I see what you mean

yea, no, half the features are missing

[brazen oyster]

All good on the backup thing, since it’s a new modpack I’m going to play on

[deep sluice]

updating WILL ruin your world if you do that right now

[brazen oyster]

Mm

[deep sluice]

at least half the stuff is missing

[brazen oyster]

Well hey

[deep sluice]

case in point

[brazen oyster]

At least there’s something to mess around with in the meantime

Just hope it doesn’t mess with my world when it eventually updates past alpha

[deep sluice]

I mean, waht do you mean

the first alpha would mess up the world from past versions

but new alpha versions won't break worlds form old alphas (too much anyway)

[brazen oyster]

Ik, I’m going to shove the new one into a new world

[deep sluice]

ok

the yea you should be fine

[brazen oyster]

And hope future updates won’t break things for jt

[deep sluice]

I'm taking care of all the major world ruining things now beforehand

the registry names of glyphs and rituals and stuff

making sure they are finalized

and correct obv

[brazen oyster]

Mm

Well

Gl on that

[deep sluice]

lol this nasty cocktail

[brazen oyster]

💀

I’ve tried making curses before

But nothing this sinister

[deep sluice]

lol

well, I'm in creatie

also this sucks anyway

i-frames means most of the damaging effects are wasted

[brazen oyster]

Mm

I framed are always a problem

Really hope at some point that could be fixed

Well, “fixed”

[deep sluice]

now THIS is a good murder spell

[brazen oyster]

Mmmmmmmmmm

[deep sluice]

I was theory crafting a few glyph ideas to let you deal damage despite I frames
could be fun

[brazen oyster]

Mm

Feel like a cold snap could take the place of the snare

[deep sluice]

first 3 trap them in place, demonic curse does damage, dispellant so they can't remove the effects without milk, curse to make them hungry, and underfoot flower to deal cactus damage too

replace the underfoot flower with hex and cold snap, way better

[brazen oyster]

Oh yeah

[deep sluice]

or no freeze

also use rot not curse, my bad mixed up my 2 most similar glyphs

murder cocktail v3

doesn't last long enough to kill them so repeats is necessary

but it provides everything you need to eliminate them in one cast, just repeat it

heck, after hitting em once you can trap them and use a turret to finish the job

(obsidian cage, mining fatigue ritual, and no break spell ritual)

[brazen oyster]

That is a really sadistic spell

[deep sluice]

yes it is

[brazen oyster]

Make them feel pain

But not even killing them

[deep sluice]

make them suffer

[brazen oyster]

Particularly painful suffering too

All those annoying effects stacked up

[deep sluice]

that's... the point of suffering

[brazen oyster]

True

[ornate osprey]

Sorry that it took a while @deep sluice , but can you check if https://dev.arsnouveau.wiki is working with Omega as intended? Should be pointing at 1.16.5 main now.
Won't work at all though if you've got no search but the placeholder like this instead:

Means it has reached the limit on requests to github for the hour. I might really have to improve something there 🤔

[deep sluice]

can you not cache this stuff somewhere?

also, the website keeps freezing for me

the addon button didn't respond for a while and then it let me toggle things on but not toggle things off OR close the select screen...

[ornate osprey]

Huh. Bit late to debug but I guess it's the addon request reaching the cap again

[ornate osprey]

Sure, if someone would pay for it. Especially AN itself is to big for most of the easy caching solutions I could use

[deep sluice]

ooooh yea that's an issue. Where are you hosting this now? And maybe you can start by caching how often people check each page and the replace it with caching just those pages?

[ornate osprey]

Vercel free Tier.
And no, I can't, since the pages don't exist without getting the full repository content for an (plus addons if desired)
Requesting just the stuff for the page actually makes it worse since each single file is one request.

[deep sluice]

my idea there is just that if you do that heatmap thing, over time not all visits would require asking for the full list of pages again, only the uncommon ones
But yea that's a bit overkill and might not work anyway since you'd also need to cache a list of all pages in the mod plus each addon

[ornate osprey]

It's not a bad idea, but probably difficult to integrate with the framework it's running on.
Also leads into caching hell, how long will the pages be valid?

Might just talk Bailey into setting up a github action that notifies my repository of new pushes to the Ars nouveau main branch and triggers a build to pre-bake all the info I need into the website repo and then deploys the updated repo

[deep sluice]

likely a better idea

[deep sluice]

true it probably doesn't work
but the theory probably works

if the cache lasts a week it'll still be pretty useful

you actually can't fit all the pages in one go? that doesn't strike me as that much data, how little space do you have?
or is there something I'm not aware of with the images and item models?

or maybe, you can cache all the text and item names, but NONE of the images

[ornate osprey]

Theory, definitely. In praxis, there might be easier ways.
Also don't want to pollute users localstorage. ..

[deep sluice]

display a fallback when you run out of requests so there's something

[deep sluice]

oooh
I meant a cache on the server where you have the website lol, can you not do that at all with your tool then?

[ornate osprey]

I think you're thinking a bit to much static HTML there 😁
The wiki is basically just one dumb welcome page and 2 smart pages, one for categories the other for entries.
The caching pain comes from the fact, that the pages rendered on the serverside can (and are) cached, but the whole app gets rehydrated in the client once it's loaded

Now what's rehydration and why do it?
Rehydratrion means that once the page is loaded, all the javascript used to build the HTML for the page is loaded and linked to that html. That is a good and desirable thing, because the website on then client has all the information to display pages that are navigated to without having to talk to the server, which leads to a very fast and responsive user experience.

If it doesn't crash, because the JS can't initialize because it can't load the patchouli data

[deep sluice]

but can't you store the data that needs to be fetched externally on the server instead of the client? why should the client ever access the information from github?

[ornate osprey]

Cause that's where the data is and the hoster has a hard cap of 4.5mb per request which is exceeded by the repo.zip

So I have to hit up github directly or use a different caching solution in between

[deep sluice]

ah

you can't send a directory of pages, and then send each category when it's opened?

and save it all on the server to avoid the github calls

[ornate osprey]

Not without reinventing the framework

[deep sluice]

oof

got an initial version working, this isn't really ready to use in any way, and I'm certainly not putting it on curseforge, but might as well share it somewhere

of the 1.19.2 port of the mod

@naive ore @ashen sigil @brazen oyster @thorn folio I think you guys wanted to hear about this? random pre-alpha here, I'm not happy enough with it to put it on curseforge just yet though. Maybe next version.

[ashen sigil]

hmmm

[naive ore]

Thanks for pinging me, lol cant wait to mess with it in singleplayer

[ashen sigil]

i need to sleep so i need to sleep then i will try it out

[naive ore]

that sentence makes the first 4 words very obvious lol

I suggest you immediately close discord and turn off all notifications and make sure you actually sleep

[brazen oyster]

New update! Noice

[brazen oyster]

@deep sluice uhhh... bad news on the update

[deep sluice]

oh no

[brazen oyster]

it broke something related to pickaxes

and now

nothing can mine anything

other tools work

just pickaxes

[deep sluice]

...what

how

[brazen oyster]

no clue

[bronze cape]

mineable tag probably

[deep sluice]

was that me though? I can mine in the dev versio

[brazen oyster]

i mean

[deep sluice]

oooh no other way

[brazen oyster]

i tested it on its own with ars

[deep sluice]

yea ok so I see

pickaxes don't work

yea I'll have to fix that

[brazen oyster]

gl

[deep sluice]

pre alpha 2, fixes the mining issue and adds back staffs

@brazen oyster

[brazen oyster]

:O

pog

that was quick

[deep sluice]

pretty sure anyway

let me know if it worked

[brazen oyster]

alr

it works

going to keep playing

[deep sluice]

awesome!

[brazen oyster]

i'll tell you if anything else breaks

[deep sluice]

ok
no promises that I'll have time to fix them though, I have school again

probably at least next weekend I can fix anything that pops up and publish to curseforge as an alpha

[brazen oyster]

all good

it doesn't look like there are any problems so far

so i think you're good

[deep sluice]

nice
hopefully that stays true but realistically multiple features crash the game

also the structures don't generate which is a problem

[brazen oyster]

huh

well, i've been playing stoneblock

[deep sluice]

... what

[brazen oyster]

and just cheating in the stuff i couldn't realistically get

[deep sluice]

oh

I was gonna ask

that works

[brazen oyster]

lmao

yeah

[deep sluice]

the gorgon gems and demon staff?

[brazen oyster]

i managed to get into the demon realm

since the resources are still obtainable

but yeah

the gorgon gems were cheated in

[deep sluice]

oh

but in 1.19.2 the demon realm doesn't work lol

no structures there either

or land

or hostile mobs

[brazen oyster]

eh

jei cheat mode will work just fine for that aspect

[deep sluice]

yea but it is another thing you have to cheat in

[brazen oyster]

true

but then again, it is a large modpack

it'll at least save me some time to spend doing other stuff

[deep sluice]

I mean, you also could've added a datapack to add recipes for those items

[brazen oyster]

i spent like an hour debugging the pack, i just cannot be bothered

[deep sluice]

sad

wait, why

what went wrong, isn't that a premade pack????

[brazen oyster]

yeah, but it's in beta

and many many things get broken when a few mods are added

[deep sluice]

ah

what did you add?

[brazen oyster]

a bunch of performance mods

[deep sluice]

oh those break anything

[brazen oyster]

and almost all the compatible ars mods

oh yeah

the performance mods were

MMMMMM

but hey

now the 200 mod modpack runs at 120 fps consistently now

[thorn folio]

Nice. Is going to be fun to play around with. Also I see there is a pre 2 version so I'll go straight to using that. Thanks for the ping 😄. Glad to see you are making progress. Gl with school/college once it starts since iirc that is why you said you might need to take a break from developing. I am sure the mod will be worth the wait.

[thorn folio]

Performance mods are like gambing. You add them and hope it works out.

[ornate osprey]

Seems to be working well if the request limit isn't reached.
Going to promote this to the main site tonight if you don't tell me otherwise.
And I'll keep brainstorming some better solutions for the unauthenticated github requests predicament

[thorn folio]

So I used the ritual of petrification, I think it is a bit broken.

Also just so you know the glyph of absorption is missing a texture, and the infinity crystal looks like this. All around though, the mod seems to be functioning as intended, just mainly visual things are broken.

[naive ore]

I believe this may be why it’s not even in alpha state lol, I honestly expected most of the visual bugs anyway

Visual bugs are better than more annoying questions about when it’s updating though

[brazen oyster]

I do think the infinity crystal isn’t producing source though

[thorn folio]

100% yes. It is still playable and fun. Just thought I would point it out.

[naive ore]

Fair

[thorn folio]

I mainly pointed out incase it hadn't been noticed. Whole point of alpha normally is for things to not be completed but for bugs to be found.

[naive ore]

It is good to note all the bugs that other people have since they do not have the uncompiled files

[golden jay]

How wide does greater AOE go?

[brazen oyster]

Honestly, other than the missing stuff that is very obviously going to be added in the future, I don’t think there are any game breaking bugs so far

[deep sluice]

Well that happens in 1.18.2 too lol, I haven’t figured out how to render a mob that doesn’t exist (might have to steal some code from jarred mobs lol)

[deep sluice]

It’s just 2 AOEs in one I think

[deep sluice]

Hmm, I’ll have to look into that…

[ashen sigil]

ok i got some sleep does omega need anything for the 1.19.2 update beta you sent out?

[deep sluice]

I mean, ars nouveau

[ashen sigil]

thats it?

[deep sluice]

I think so

[ashen sigil]

for now it is

[deep sluice]

What’s that mean

[ashen sigil]

you might need an api or sorts

[deep sluice]

Why?

[ashen sigil]

idk

[deft hornet]

If you push the working build to git I can check later

Ars is the APIs

[deep sluice]

Oh yea good idea

[deep sluice]

Do you know what an API is?

[deft hornet]

Or anyway, requires the same or more stuff

So if you have Ars working, Omega should

[deep sluice]

Seems good to me, I’ll try to fix up 1.18.2 sometime so you can use that.

[ashen sigil]

not realy but i know they help add stuff

wait is the thing you sent 1.19.2 bc it says 3.0.0 pre alpha

[deep sluice]

Stands for application program interface, but what it actually is is a system for an app to talk to a program you’re making
In Minecraft modding, someone will make a mod with an API so that other mods can use helpful code it has. It’s useful for re-using code or splitting things to keep it organized, plus some other shenanigans related to a thing called mixins

[ashen sigil]

ok

[deep sluice]

Yea it’s 1.19.2, 3.0.0 is what I’m gonna call the first 1.19.2 release version and this is the pre-alpha of that.

[ashen sigil]

ok kool

hope it works

[deep sluice]

Can’t see why it wouldn’t
Use the second file I sent though, first one breaks mining

[ashen sigil]

can you resend the most resent one

i download the one you sent in the pings

[deep sluice]

Not ATM just scroll up

[ashen sigil]

the first time round

[ashen sigil]

you talking about this one?

[deep sluice]

@ashen sigil it’s this one I think

Yep

[ashen sigil]

good

can you name something from the mod?

or does it have its own tab?

nothing happend

yea nothings working other then some nice music

[deep sluice]

It does have its own tab you can also check the mod page for some of the items, though a few are missing in this port

Is normal ars working?

[ashen sigil]

yes

[deep sluice]

Huh

No idea then

You can send logs but I can’t help until later

[ashen sigil]

no crash logs tho

[deep sluice]

Then send latest log

[ashen sigil]

i have not crashed yet

at all

it has not sent me any logs

this is the best i can do

is this part of the mod?

[deft hornet]

That's from base ars

[ashen sigil]

cool

its got a funny name

saddly it dont shoot cows

[deep sluice]

Do you… not know where to find the latest.log file? I can’t help you without that

If the game actually didn’t generate one that’s a problem I have no clue how to solve

[deep sluice]

If you need help with that you can google it cause I don’t have the time to help you right now sorry

[ashen sigil]

nvm i just did not put it in the right spot

[deep sluice]

Lol

Does it work now then?

[ashen sigil]

havent tested it yet but i hope it works even if nothting has texsters

bc those are for nerds

and ppl who are good at art

witch i am none of

[deep sluice]

What do you mean nothing has textures

[ashen sigil]

idk

[deep sluice]

Only one should be missing

[ashen sigil]

dam

you got things down fast funny code man

[deep sluice]

A relevant xkcd comic

[ashen sigil]

oops wrong one

it work

do these say the same things?

[ornate osprey]

probably not, else why make them?

[ashen sigil]

some of these could use some work maybe i could get one of my art friends to help

@deep sluice i found a bug

[ornate osprey]

that looks like the book doing flappy things, that's more on optifine afaik, at least if I guessed correctly

[ashen sigil]

i do not have anything that would let me use shaders

[deep sluice]

Nah the books actually backwards lol

I know already

No idea why though

[ashen sigil]

maybe flip the modle

model

[deep sluice]

Yea but IDK how I just tell it to use the ars model

[ornate osprey]

sorry, guessed wrongly then. There's a funny interaction/bug that lets the spell book flap like a bookwyrm while you hold it in hand

[deep sluice]

In 1.18.2 it worked fine

Lol what

[ashen sigil]

nah its just how you cast it or it woudl cast on you

[deft hornet]

Pretty sure that texturing help is welcome

[ashen sigil]

just flip the model

hell does not work

[deep sluice]

If you mean the dimension, I know, otherwise please elaborate

[deep sluice]

And do you know how to do that? Lol

[ashen sigil]

flip it

idk

[ashen sigil]

its jsut lava

[deep sluice]

Me either hence why I haven't already

[deep sluice]

Yea I also noticed that, also no structures in the mod work

[ashen sigil]

or terain

cant wait till its out

[deep sluice]

Unfortunately that's still a ways away

[ashen sigil]

its geting closer tho

[deep sluice]

Sure

But the progress so far took over a week of vacation

So with school into account, the final port is at least 6 weeks away

[ashen sigil]

yay

[deep sluice]

Closer to 10 weeks if you count in other misc stuff I wanna do when the port is playable

But obv no guarantees might be even longer

[ashen sigil]

idc

still this year i hope

[deep sluice]

Pretty likely

My worry is that 1.20 will be out by the time I finish

And then I won't have time for that port

It's a loosing battle

[deft hornet]

As if Ars part would be that fast

Have yet to see what Geckolib4 changes are

Setting aside the block registry conversion to deferred and all the json worldgen stuff

[ashen sigil]

there is no need to care go at you own speed

[deft hornet]

I guess 1.20 needs at least two more months

If all the content they add is within 1.19.3 then it will be a big disappointment, lol

[bronze cape]

1.20 is probably further than that unless they start dropping some snapshots

I think we will have a 1.19.4 soon

[deft hornet]

*A breaking 1.19.4 soon ™

I'm really conflicted on hoping the lights rework rumor is true or not

[deep sluice]

Is ars 1.19.3 gonna be a thing?

I haven't seen one and I'm hoping not

[bronze cape]

nah

[deep sluice]

Yaaay! Good news!

You probably already said and I missed it lol

[thorn folio]

What do you mean mobs that don't exist? I only used vanilla mobs. Or am I completely misunderstanding?

[deft hornet]

The statue would be a fake mob

Rendering a mob that isn't really there

[deep sluice]

Yea that

[deep sluice]

Yea that's what I meant

Though honestly what worries me most is IDK how to change the color when I render it.

[deft hornet]

I mean, there might be a way with two mixins

One on GeoRenderer and one on whatever the famous Alex use for the rainbow layer

[deep sluice]

I'll look into it sometime when I get the chance, I just don't know where any rendering code

Hmm, how hard would it be to recolor a live entity for during the transformation? Seems much worse

[deft hornet]

But I have to double check since not sure if the entity renderer have a getcolor

[deep sluice]

I doubt they do, I didn't see one last time but IDK

Not vanilla ones anyway

[deft hornet]

Vanilla ones should have a way since Ice & Fire or AlexMobs have a jelly that makes mobs rainbow

[deep sluice]

... I have no idea what I'm doing I'm yet to look at any of this

[deep sluice]

Do you mean both mods, or one but you forget which?

[deft hornet]

One but forgot

https://github.com/AlexModGuy/AlexsMobs/blob/1.19/src/main/java/com/github/alexthe666/alexsmobs/client/ClientLayerRegistry.java

https://github.com/AlexModGuy/AlexsMobs/blob/af37bda3c9605fbd30c232f5a1fc13ad338bd3b5/src/main/java/com/github/alexthe666/alexsmobs/client/render/layer/LayerRainbow.java#L17

[deep sluice]

oh nie

*nice

I just found the rainbow layer now too lol

i == 2 ? AMRenderTypes.TRANS_GLINT : AMRenderTypes.RAINBOW_GLINT

👀 neat

[deft hornet]

default Color getRenderColor(T animatable, float partialTick, PoseStack poseStack,
@Nullable MultiBufferSource bufferSource, @Nullable VertexConsumer buffer, int packedLight) {
return Color.WHITE;
}

IGeoRenderer

[deep sluice]

um, isn't that a geckolib thing?

or is that in all mobs?

[deft hornet]

this one is geckolib

Alex's approach only work for vanilla

You can't make a rainbowbuncle

[deep sluice]

ah

so I'll need to do both approaches depending on the mob type

[deft hornet]

ye

[deep sluice]

alr

[deft hornet]

just save a flag on the mob and retrieve it to see if the mob is petrified

[deep sluice]

more stuff to look into
https://github.com/AlexModGuy/AlexsMobs/blob/1.18.2/src/main/java/com/github/alexthe666/alexsmobs/client/render/AMRenderTypes.java

[deep sluice]

a flag? I was gonna do an int so I can have progress steps and make it gradually change color

will any of this even work for my use case though?

I'm not really trying to do an overlay like alex's mobs or the geckolib thing

I'm trying to full on change the color of each pixel to be grayscale based on only the intensity

alex's mobs thing might actually work I can't tell since I can't see mc code from my laptop

but I'll need a more sophisticated geckolib approach

[thorn folio]

Ohhh, thanks. That makes sense, not quite sure why I didn't think of that.

[deft hornet]

not yet pushed?

[deep sluice]

Haven't had a chance, school today

[naive ore]

ah yeah thats not fun

its always difficult to open websites or apps like Github on school devices, though not always impossible.

[deep sluice]

Nah that parts easy

But I use a desktop PC for mod dev

I'm not at the right physical location

Can't be done

LOL

[naive ore]

ah yeah thats also an issue

I mean **theoretically **you can make changes from anywhere... if you code using github...

[deep sluice]

But it's not on GitHub is the problem we're talking about lol

🤦

[naive ore]

just recreate it on github (=

im kidding

[deep sluice]

I don't have a week before the school day but ends I'm afraid

Shocking I know
Lol

[naive ore]

just cause you can code on github doesnt mean you should

actually I need to confirm my bs before I continue

[deep sluice]

You can code just not build

And the experience is pain

Might as well use old school notepad

Writing code can always be done with just a text editor and patience
(And an API reference I guess)

So maybe MC modding can't

There's no web resource with the Mojang code

You won't know what functions to call

[naive ore]

yeah thats exactly why I said this xD

it would be so painful that if you did do it you would have to be very, very skilled in coding

[deep sluice]

It can't be done for Minecraft modding though

Cause you'd need the Minecraft code

Which GitHub doesn't have

Afaik chrome doesn't have a handy java decompiler

[golden jay]

mmm sounds like something to add to Chromium 😄

[naive ore]

Not to mention that its so bad that its a solution that only works for school devices or Chromebooks because otherwise you should just be coding with something like IntelliJ IDEA or something else and even than you would need to download it and than compile it when you have access to a java compiler in order to actually build it into a jar file and use it.

[ornate osprey]

technically you could probably hack something together using web assembly, but lets not go down that route. Insanity lies that way

[naive ore]

insanity lies not just that way but also just when modifying games using a web browser.

thats a whole mess that nobody wants to go down

[deep sluice]

What's a little insanity though? All cool wizards have some, it's like the battle scars of spellcasting

[ornate osprey]

Fair, but we're talking summoning demons in a crowded street full of innocent civilans kinda insanity here

only that the demons is a couple of software devs crying about their bad choices, which, all in all, might be worse

[deep sluice]

I mean yea I'd never attempt such a project
But I wouldn't be surprised if someone did

[ornate osprey]

Yeah it has this "someone has definitely done this" taste

[deep sluice]

It's not based in the browser

But there are plenty of online java decompilers

Waaay more than I expected anyway

[brazen oyster]

btw @deep sluice, if you didn't know already, the mana trinkets don't work

[deep sluice]

Huh I’ll have to check that out

[deft hornet]

just check how the ars ones work

it's attribute based

so the bonus will show up in the tooltip too

[orchid token]

oh man this ritual of tribute is doing nothing rn

1.18.2 just sacrificed a stack of gold ingots and then some

[deep sluice]

Did you start the ritual and give it source?

[orchid token]

ritual is running

oh it needs source

im stupid

[deep sluice]

Don’t they even say they need source on the tooltip lol

[orchid token]

ritual of awakening doesnt

[deep sluice]

But does it even require source?

I mean the brazier when you look at it should tell you the current status, no?

[orchid token]

its optional per the notebook entry

[deep sluice]

Huh, I’ll edit the tribute notebook entry then

[orchid token]

tribute ritual did use source tho

also im not sure why i threw in a stack of gold only to get one wilden tribute

[deep sluice]

And you managed to get confused and not give it the source

[orchid token]

yes

[deep sluice]

I think it needs like 20 gold and I forgot to make it take more lol
I’ll fix that sometime when I have time

[orchid token]

i just did only 20 and it worked as intended

[icy beacon]

what does animate glyph do?

[ornate osprey]

animates a magic clay golem

I think it's 1 block of magical clay on top of 2 normal clay blocks but don't quote me on that

[deep sluice]

No, it's 1 carved magic clay on top of 2 normal magic clay of the same type

[icy beacon]

So one carved magic clay block. And two magic clay blocks?

aight, what does the golem do?

[deft hornet]

like an iron golem i think

[brazen oyster]

The arcane staffs are a little broke

Since flare or cold snap can’t take more than 2 advanced amplifies

[deep sluice]

Have you looked for a worn notebook entry? I thought I made one

You can use the staff to change between a few modes

Sorry dominion wand

[deep sluice]

Oh did I forget to disable the limits lol

I want them to work like the augment arrows do but buffed obv

[brazen oyster]

mm

i see

[naive ore]

lol I keep forgetting that it wasnt this mod that implemented amplify 3, its so powerful I just naturally attribute it to this mod.

[brazen oyster]

yeah...

i was confused at first too, until i realised advanced amplify was ars omega

so i default to it now

[deep sluice]

no that would be boring lol

most of my stuff has some unique difference in it's power level
obv advanced amplify no

but fireball has the fire, tornado and whirlpool are obviously cool, and summon wither is a unique take on a summon because of the binding augment

and divine smite has the double damage on undead and the sensitive to save items

[naive ore]

true, ultimate power is... boring. Just ask Saitama.

https://tenor.com/view/saitama-anime-one-punch-man-gif-20287351

[thorn folio]

He might be fun, but imagine how boring it must be to be somebody like Akuto Sai where you know everything that you do or interact with, will always go your way as you make it. Anything from friends, to love, to simple human interaction, is all controlled by you.

On top of that opm will eventually die of age, akuto can't die because of the law of identity.

Idk why I brought this up but thought I would anyways because why not.

[deep sluice]

bad idea: mind control spell that turns villagers into a weird modified version of the vindicator UNLESS it's the mage villager which becomes a terrifying spellcaster instead
and nitwits which don't get an axe and have to punch enemies lol

[naive ore]

great idea

[harsh swan]

We can agree that it IS an idea.

[deep sluice]

Lol

I actually really wanna add it because it sounds very fun and fits very well

But it looks very hard to code 😦

[naive ore]

hear me out, just make the spell kill the villager and not drop anything and then spawb a vindicator with custom stats and a custom texture or something

that sounds much easier

now the spellcaster though... I cant come up with any bs for that save for the evoker

[deep sluice]

No no no no no

I wanna save the villager data on it and make it curable and give it custom AI and stuff

A reskinned vindicator would be lame

[naive ore]

and thats why I said I couldnt come up with any bs for the spellcaster, like I did for the vindicator, because it was just that, a bs idea that nobody would like

[deep sluice]

Now don't say that, if my dreams weren't so big I might do that

But yea my idea on features is go big or go home unless they're small cute additions

[naive ore]

... thats sad but I understand it xD

[deep sluice]

Staffs and petrification make me sad cause they suck

[naive ore]

well I'm sure you can find a way to improve the staffs, without increasing their power hopefully.

[deep sluice]

well I was gonna indirectly buff them

[naive ore]

oh indirectly, thats different than what I meant

[deep sluice]

won't change the max power level, but will let you swap out amplifies for AOEs and stuff

[naive ore]

that actually sounds fun

[deep sluice]

well, maybe a small buff by letting you give it an elemental crystal to buff a school

[naive ore]

that sounds like a good idea, it allows for more specialization into magic schools

[deep sluice]

absolutely but IDK how to make GUIs or how to make a staff render differently depending on the data

oooh also I wanted you to be able to change the form

and finally, an upgrade to add more spell slots

so you can have a radial menu with a few items to choose between

my final dream is to use geckolib to animate the player when you use the staff

a different animation for each form

I know what they'd al be

but code wise, pain

[naive ore]

I just realized you said spell slots, instead of glyph slots

[deep sluice]

yea spell slots

so you can have a few spells like a book

the max will be 10, BUT each time you add a more slots upgrade that's 1 less augment upgrade or cost reduction upgrade you can add, so you might wanna limit it since the 10 spell slots one will barely be better than a book

oooh maybe the code from threads in 1.19 can help me! I just had that thought

[naive ore]

reminds me of that old enchanter's staff idea or whatever it was from a while back, least I know your not gonna suggest adding infinite slots

[deep sluice]

that would be dumb

[naive ore]

it would be omega style to add something broken like that though

but with a config for it and off by default

[deep sluice]

which enchanter's staff idea?

I remember I had a big conversation sharing the staff ideas a while ago lol

#912746667332239420 message

[naive ore]

oh I cant access there lol, oh well

[deep sluice]

oh

[naive ore]

it was one of the feature request ideas

[deep sluice]

oops

[naive ore]

except the entire thing was obviously just an excuse to get infinite spell or glyph slots, I forget

[deep sluice]

nah I plan to do that with a spellweaver's loom I'm gonna add, not with the staffs at all

[naive ore]

well im both happy about that second part and worried about the loom

[deep sluice]

loom seems funny

I had some terrible loom related ideas lol

like, very very silly ideas

[naive ore]

I might as well check with you seeing as your mod is known for its brokenness, its a bad idea to make a python file that makes extremely large files right? Like say 100 9.31 GB files

[deep sluice]

... why do you ask

[naive ore]

no reason

[deep sluice]

if anything from my post #1063634907311636620 doesn't get added, I'll add them to Omega lol

I'm also gonna backport Infuse to Omega 1.18.2 (and wall when ready) since I want them on 1.18.2 but Bailey doesn't want more feature updates on 1.18.2 bc of the time and risk of bugs

[steel crypt]

is anyone else having issues with transmuting wither skulls to chorus fruit on 1.16.5

[steel crypt]

nvm did it

[deep sluice]

oh no I had another dumb idea

omni focus

does nothing by itself but allows you to use some other glyph ideas I had:

propagate placed blocks
propagate displaced blocks

propagate summons

so at the cost of glyph slots you could kinda have both the blockshaper's focus and summoner's focus functionality in one

drat I just remembered I still haven't updated the propagate textures

[naive ore]

A focus that is required for use of other glyphs sounds fun

But can you make it so they don’t show up unless you have that focus at least in your inventory if not only when equipped

[deep sluice]

can't be done

[naive ore]

Oof

Oh well

[deep sluice]

not without messing with the book in a way I'd much rather not

and don't have time to anyway

they'd either be ignored or cause red particles and spell failure depending on configs

[naive ore]

It was more of something that would have to be a config setting off by default anyway

[deep sluice]

yea but too much work for somethig that small

[naive ore]

Just so many glyphs, when using every addon, it’s causing me to go insane going through them all

[deft hornet]

We are surely over 100

[naive ore]

Oh yeah I actually tested adding omega to my 1.19.2 modpack recently and it all went well which is really nice. Things were working, game was freezing*, the usual.

[deep sluice]

that's not even close anymore there's like 150 at this point

with all the addons

[deft hornet]

I mean 75 from Ars itself

[deep sluice]

at least

[deft hornet]

Makes sense to double

[deep sluice]

I add like another 50 lol, and with TMG filters?

yea, easily up to 150 I think

[naive ore]

Lol let’s just say projectile multipliers aren’t something to be messed with

[deep sluice]

ah

so that issue

I'm just gonna need to find a way to stop you from making lag bombs

I wonder why projectile is so laggy anyway, are checks just that slow?

doesn't take many of them to slow game to a crawl and IDK why

[naive ore]

That’s the thing though, you already limited it… I should thank you for making sure my pc doesn’t blow up

[deft hornet]

Umh, maybe it's the hitcheck

Not sure

[deep sluice]

I mean it kinda has to be

[deft hornet]

You can't throw that away

[deep sluice]

but it is pretty funky that it's so slow

[deft hornet]

I mean, delay it

[deep sluice]

delay it? what do you mean?

[deft hornet]

Since otherwise it will trapass entity

Like, making it not check every tick

[deep sluice]

oh

yea exactly the problem

[deft hornet]

Fast projectiles might do that

[deep sluice]

some kind of tech wizards might be able to optimize it but that seems hard

[naive ore]

Everyone casting one projectile a second on a server of like 10 people won’t be very bad to be fair so it’s not a big issue

Any spell with major issues from that is impractical regardless

[deep sluice]

ye but with levels of mana it's more like 9 per sec per player, times a 2v2 duel is 36 projectiles per seconds, won't take long to lag a lot lol

even without propagate

and that's before item entities but the main reason people do that isn't fighitng it's mining'

if someone forgets a void jar or an item pickup glyph it's game over server

minecraft is just laggy

[deft hornet]

That's just a Minecraft classic

[deep sluice]

and ars just gives you all the best tools to make lag

[naive ore]

Eh even a server like the official ATM7 can manage to not crash from 80k entities

[deft hornet]

Even people who throws away items because inventory full or trash harm

But it simply slows down for some time, hard to actually crash

We crash in server sometimes because there is a Watchdog

Which kills it if it becomes too slow to process ticks

[deep sluice]

plus I play on a not as good server cause, well, gotta pay for college

and I have a custom pack so I can't join someone else's

nobody seems to host servers for packs with omega 😦

[naive ore]

Oh right also So-So, omega was actually one of the lower sources of lag when I was testing funnily enough, it only multiplied the projectiles by 9x while what the other mods did was more than that lol

[deft hornet]

I heard Oracle can let you host servers for free

[deep sluice]

well yea I keep saying

Omega is kinda OP and kinda laggy

[deft hornet]

Not sure how powerful

[deep sluice]

but TMG is VERY OP and VERY laggy

and both combined is RIP balance and RIP server

I rest my case

[naive ore]

I mean if you think that’s bad…

[deep sluice]

I'm just gonna make propagates incompatible with chain if TMG is installed

it's planned but again kinda hard to find a good time

maybe this weekend if things go well

[naive ore]

I managed to create a new transportation method which can go hundreds of blocks a minute using Ars and a few other mods

[deep sluice]

aka probably not

[deep sluice]

why not just use warp portals smh

[naive ore]

I sorta dislike it but I have to support it

[naive ore]

Use the transportation method to go to places to make portals

I actually reached like 1800 blocks on the Y axis in less than a minute using it though it isn’t consistently that high, usually more around 1k and the journey down takes longer than getting up {=

[deep sluice]

oh

[deft hornet]

I just checked an old it mc youtuber i followed, that still play modded, and noticed they started a magic pack

I spotted Omega in the JEI but not yet Elemental

(Tbf it's easier to spot due to sheer number of items, lmao)

[deft hornet]

Ok, i saw the curio slot, i'm relieved

i'll send a clip if he gets to do something interesting with omega

[deep sluice]

clever of you to not tell me who it is so that I can't comment on their videos suggesting they check it out

[naive ore]

Hey why dont you tell me who that is, I have some spells I wish to give them.... (=

totally safe spells that wont resort in disaster

[deep sluice]

😦

Evil anti-Omega false flag operation detected

Begin process of extermination

[naive ore]

I wonder if they will believe that self -> propagate self goes in an aoe around you...

[deep sluice]

lava cat is uninvited from discussion

[naive ore]

"Hey you should try self -> propagate self -> harm -> amplify x maximum"

[naive ore]

jokes on the discussion I made my own invite and can invite myself back

[deft hornet]

It's just the first episode of a magic almost kitchensink pack

it's too early, lol

[naive ore]

lol I found a recent series of someone playing with a bunch of magic mods, including Ars Magica

[deep sluice]

You villain

[naive ore]

YOU THINK THATS BAD

[deep sluice]

Mildly

But you can do much worse

We both know

We don't need a demonstration

[naive ore]

lol you should be happy I havent used encryption yet

[deep sluice]

True

But hey

Once I ban propagate and chain combo it won't be so bad

[naive ore]

actually I should go make a texture pack encrypting all text more advanced than swapping characters

[naive ore]

true than I wont have to deal with propagate orbit -> sensitive -> propagate orbit -> sensitive being used by others

oh wrong message replied to, oh well

[naive ore]

thats the x9 I mentioned before actually

[deep sluice]

Multiplication do be scary

[naive ore]

I wouldnt be surprised if in the end I got over 200x projectiles than just regular projectile

[bronze badge]

Is there a planned date for 1.19.2 (we had to migrate from 1.18.2 and its painful without ars omega)

[deft hornet]

you can search the channel for an alpha

[deep sluice]

well migrating from 1.18.2 is gonna be painful regardless

but yea there's an alpha somewhere

[deep sluice]

here it is!

still pretty broken but has a few basic things working

[bronze badge]

is it really broken if no issues were reported? 🤔

also seems to be working as fine as it should :P

[deft hornet]

Well, it had very few testers

[deep sluice]

lol

there's a few known issues:
-tons of stuff missing
-structures don't generate
-demon realm is broken
-curios and other stat items don't work
-staff amp bonuses don't work right

probably more I forget

[bronze badge]

if he want more testers he could publish that version for testing, and leave the invite for ARS inside this thread to report issues and bugs to fix

[deep sluice]

nah it's just embarassingly broken lol

I just wanna fix a couple items on the list before I put an alpha on curseforge

[bronze badge]

i see

[deep sluice]

IDK where to put this but cursed addon idea:
sketchy ingestible plant substances for magic power
they have all sorts of disadvantages and dangers and stuff but also give good buffs sometimes

(maybe rippoffs of jurda and jurda parem from the Shadow and Bone and Six of Crows series lol)

[naive ore]

I like the idea save for you adding the word "sometimes"

[deep sluice]

I don't mean like randomly

[naive ore]

oh ok

[deep sluice]

I mean it's a lot of substances to learn

you might make a few mistakes along the distilling process

best analyze the results carefully

and pray that your goof ups aren't the kind you only get to make once

(or just git good xd)

[naive ore]

its the type of thing I wish I did in skyrim but in skyrim I dont use potion making enough unless its for fortify smithing, fortify enchanting, and possibly fortify restoration if im feeling extra british on that day

[deep sluice]

lol

[dusk halo]

replying here so i can be notified whenever 1.19's alpha ver is released

[deft hornet]

do you mean on curse?

there's already an alpha in this channel

[dusk halo]

yea on curse

[deep sluice]

sigh this port is gonna take a while

I keep finding more stuff that's broken

[naive ore]

thats an interesting bug

I wonder what caused it

[deep sluice]

nah pretty boring

block don't exist

so it's replaced with air

standard stuff

[naive ore]

I mean the fact that some blocks loaded in and others didnt

[deep sluice]

ye

all the ones that exist loaded

but no such thing as arcane stone anymore for some reason

so now I gotta fix the pallete to replace that with something else

[naive ore]

oh thats why it item id nonsense

[deep sluice]

block id nonsense

but yea

[deft hornet]

load it in 1.18, exchange with a vanilla block