General & Development Help

[azure pulsar]

Or a chat command that I don't know of that does the same?

[shadow helm]

No and no afaik

[radiant depot]

A default state is still a state 😛

Block Renderer -> Blockstate -> Model -> Texture

This is how a block is tied to a texture

A geckolib tile is more like an entity and skips steps. But it will throw a warning if no blockstate file is present

[rocky grail]

ive been trying to get my prism to work cross dimensionally

i am very confused

do spell projectiles no longer resolve when they cross dimensions or something

also tried crossing the portal while my projectile is still on the way to be teleported

oh wait i know why

nevermind

ah got it

awesome now textures for my remote

uhh

soon™️

[rocky grail]

yeah im gonna need to commission someone or smth lmao

screenshot of my image editor because the attachment is too small

[azure pulsar]

What's that

[shadow helm]

awesome now textures for my remote
Probably the remote of remoting

[rocky grail]

its basically just a dominion wand but backwards

ill add lectern functionality later

rn its just for my new warping spell prism

so you can link it to the prism once then move the target around

[mossy hollow]

What kind of lectern functionality?

[radiant depot]

i'd guess store the lectern then mass link chests

[rocky grail]

yeah

[mossy hollow]

That's just the Advanced Dominion Wand

Already exists in Ars Additions

[rocky grail]

cool ill add it anyway lol

[mossy hollow]

Allows you to store a location and then toggle which side you're linking

[rocky grail]

does anyone know a non-annoying way to give an item a custom name without it becoming italic

actually i could probably see how dominion wand does it

ended up overriding getName

[rocky grail]

pretty sure my mod is ready for a 1.0.0

would love better textures but im not gonna bother for now

frick i need a logo

i totally forgot about that

[mossy hollow]

What's the addon exactly?

[rocky grail]

https://github.com/Vonr/Ars-Controle

still small for now

but i wanted both of those in the game so i just made them real quick

maybe ill just use the remote as my icon lmfao

except curseforge wants minimum 400x400 so ill have to upscale

[mossy hollow]

It's what I did

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/ars-additions

Icon is the warp index

[shadow helm]

Same for me, just with the Starby Scroll

[rocky grail]

love that we're all too lazy to make a proper logo

[mossy hollow]

With Ars Artifice I did go a little fancier

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/ars-artifice

with a block render

[unreal summit]

I just used the Frostbuncle as my logo for Ars Fauna.

[shadow helm]

He. Got my GF to help out with textures and the Starby scroll was at least partially her. So I was even lazier! 😄

[rocky grail]

oh wow curseforge's web ui has gotten significantly better

[unreal summit]

All that’s left to do is figure out how to make a loot table that includes items from Ars Nouveau and how to make the Shadowbuncle actively avoid lit areas.

[rocky grail]

i remember trying to publish https://legacy.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/psionic-relics and having to go into inspect element to get psi as a dependency

because their search results werent scrollable

top notch ui

now in review for both cf and modrinth

[rocky grail]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/ars-controle approved on cf

still under review for modrinth

[neat mango]

warping spell prism? how is it different from using a portal?

[rocky grail]

can target and track entities

so you can have a remote potion brewery constantly applying effects on you (the reason i even wanted it)

[neat mango]

hehe I made that before but then scrapped it because of how OP it was

[rocky grail]

it feels somewhat balanced if you ignore other addons

[neat mango]

the fact that you can target others and apply debuffs completely remotely is what makes it OP

[rocky grail]

also apparently ars additions has or will have parallels for both of the things i added in controle anyway lol

though i prefer spell prism to turret

because spell prism means you can warp projectiles from custom turrets like elemental's

oh also you reminded me that i forgot to add a source cost for cross dimensional warping

theres one for long distance warping

but none for cross dimensional

oh god im gonna have to port this to 1.21 and i cant abuse nbt anymore

[gleaming fox]

ok, this sounds epic

[rocky grail]

the remote is apparently quite obsoleted by ars additions though :p

[gleaming fox]

might be worth it to merge the two mods under a larger umbrella

[rocky grail]

also i hate the control scheme i came up with but its about as good as its gonna get

[gleaming fox]

dw we’ll manage

[rocky grail]

i mean i could also just get an optional runtime dep on additions and do custom logic to handle their advanced wand

[gleaming fox]

thiugh the mod sounds really cool

[rocky grail]

that just sounds like a pain though

[gleaming fox]

this sounds like the better option

[rocky grail]

yeah its a better option but still a pain :p

especially since its probably gonna be "compatible" through heavy use of mixins

which is fine if additions never updates

ill make a post in #1019655289873641555 earliest tomorrow but theres a 99% chance i forget

[radiant depot]

or simply get the wand as base mod feature for 1.21

[gleaming fox]

could also work

[rocky grail]

would prefer that

[mossy hollow]

The advanced wand supports anything that uses the dominion wand interface

[rocky grail]

i doubt it stores dimension though :p

[mossy hollow]

It does

https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Additions/blob/1.20.1/src/main/java/com/github/jarva/arsadditions/common/item/AdvancedDominionWand.java

[rocky grail]

looks like i need to change some stuff around then

not today!

dont think im able to get dimension from IWandable

[mossy hollow]

May need to make a PR into Ars for that

[radiant depot]

level is not in the parameters?

ah, i guess you mean you need the data of the first spot, not the last

[mossy hollow]

BlockPos just needs to be updated to a GlobalPos

[rocky grail]

i think this api might be fine for my current use

ill need to test

[mossy hollow]

May be worth switching to GlobalPos anyway

[rocky grail]

we probably also need a cross dimensional IWandable thingymabob

because i could call lectern's IWandable impls from another dimension

but it wouldnt work

and theres no way to tell atm without hardcoding afaict

[mossy hollow]

That's why I recommend using a GlobalPos

[rocky grail]

even if we do use GlobalPos theres not really a way to tell if a specific implementor of IWandable actually accepts cross dimensional positions as part of its functionalities though

[mossy hollow]

Not by default but if they handle GlobalPos properly they will support it

[rocky grail]

sure we can make everything take GlobalPos, but how do i tell that a StorageLecternTile will only work with positions in the same dimension

because i dont think cross dimensional storage lecterns are exactly intended

i suppose we could just have a boolean crossDimensional() in IWandable

defaulting to false ofc

[mossy hollow]

Make the connection return a Boolean for whether it's successful or not

[rocky grail]

could work, might be a bit vague though

variety of reasons it could fail

[mossy hollow]

But do you care why it failed? Or do you just care that it failed? Do you care at all?

[rocky grail]

for telling the user what went wrong

[mossy hollow]

Should be the responsibility of the block to inform the user that it's not accepted

[rocky grail]

thats probably a fair assumption

not sure if anything else could go wrong

hopefully not

moving this discussion over to #api-development if anyone wants to chip in, ill be asleep for the next 8 hours

[rocky grail]

and mr https://modrinth.com/mod/ars-controle

[mossy hollow]

That's one of the fastest project approvals I've seen on both platforms

[rocky grail]

they love me

especially curseforge

because one of my other mods has 2m downloads

(its a really small mod, just useful for big packs so big packs like RAD2 included it)

[unreal summit]

I was surprised Ars Fauna only took like a day to get approved.

Some of the updates were approved in less than 15 minutes though.

[mossy hollow]

Updates are quick but initial project approval is typically quite slow

[rocky grail]

2 minute approval for controle 1.1.0

time to make a post since ive cleaned up the internals and added a config

[mossy hollow]

In addition to the pinned tutorials I'd like to recommend TurtyWurty to figure out some weird forge things, like capabilities, menus and the like:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaevjqy3XufYpmF5kvwy2Z1v-dsSUjhlx

[radiant depot]

Not sure if there's actually extra stuff, kap makes the same video tutorial twice for both loaders

Anyway didn't know turty got back to making them, I kickstarted mine with his 1.16 vids

[azure pulsar]

whats the max sourceCost of a enchanting apparatus recipe? cause i made a custom one with 20k required source and im getting a message in chat that says "not enough source nearby", even tho there is a creative source jar nearby the apparatus

is it 10k?

[mossy hollow]

10k/1 jar is the max

[azure pulsar]

Dang

ty for the info

[gleaming fox]

hello, how should i go about appending an attribute to a player/entity ?

(the goal is to modify an attribute list each time the player levels up, to give players more control…)

[rocky grail]

you can probably look at the attribute command for a rough idea

[gleaming fox]

ah i forgot about it

[radiant depot]

If the attribute already exists, you're looking for attaching an attribute modifier

[gleaming fox]

mhm alr

[wispy cradle]

any favorite addons for 1.16.5?

[gleaming fox]

1.16.5 is borderline unplayable for ars, but i’d recommend :

• Omega
• Elemental
• TMG.
  Btw please refer to the #general-and-help , as i am not sure that #1019655534900678737 is the correct channel…

[wispy cradle]

I figured the general & dev help in the addon chat would be more appropriate given that it's discussing addons, not the base game, sorry

[gleaming fox]

don’t worry too much

[radiant depot]

Technically General Discussion was merged with DevHelp

So discussing anything about addons is totally fine

Both ideas for existing or potential addons and discussions on what should be improved in addon x

[gleaming fox]

how should i go about adding a "passive" attribute (IE one that does not come from an item) ?

[radiant depot]

You need a trigger to attach it, but there should be a livingentity#addAttributeModifier

Not sure on the details between permanent vs temp, and which one should be used based on trigger to attach it

I'd guess you can use something like playerJoinEvent and then check for id to see if it's there or need to be added

Perm vs temp might be related to if the am is lost or kept on death

[gleaming fox]

thanks a lot

i have found a way to add modifiers

all that remains is to create the logic around the whole system

[mossy hollow]

am I making a mistake? maybe

[gleaming fox]

hell yeah

we love allthemodium mage armor

[mossy hollow]

People ask about it frequently, so I thought I may as well capitalize on it

[zealous zenith]

cursed

[mossy hollow]

Tier 5, with Tier 4 thread slots 😄

it's aimed at the people who like big number go brrr

have to add an Allthemodium Spellbook

[steep spruce]

we need some unification for magic attributes for all magic mods

[gleaming fox]

^

i had a sketch of a project centered around it

the problem was that certain mods give way more mana than others

and i had to find an exchange rate while also accounting for other addons/mods

[steep spruce]

the hardest part would be accounting for addons that have big numbers like ars trinkets, otherwise there arent many big mods with mana right?

[gilded lintel]

Glyphs also account for a bunch of additional mana

[gleaming fox]

learning all the glyph makes such a big difference ngl

[steep spruce]

I meant you could try to balance it based on the current ecosystem of mods, but at some point someone will make an addon with big numbers for one of the mods and itll become a balancing nightmare

[gleaming fox]

after doing this, what should i do to create a new damage type ?

[zealous zenith]

damage sources are a datapack registry, so you need the json file that comes along with it

datagen is probably overkill for just one, so you could make it by hand and look at the ars or minecraft ones

[gleaming fox]

ah thanks

btw what is 'exhaustion' ?

[radiant depot]

How much saturation it consumes on the target

[gleaming fox]

alr

thanks

[radiant depot]

Which requires an advanced table since base Ars intendedly limited the number of slots and power to 3

In the alteration table

[gleaming fox]

wohoo 1.21 ars

[mossy hollow]

welp, maybe just increase the amount of 3s

[neat mango]

What exactly is terrablender? does ars nouveau still use it?

do I need it in my dev env ?

[zealous zenith]

it allows mods to add biomes

you need it for ars to compile iirc

[neat mango]

I see

I am using the new MDG plugin and it automatically fetches dependencies! Lets see if it works
(it seems this is not a MDG thing but Neoforge thing in general)

[neat mango]

ew why is it in forge maven.

[zealous zenith]

how does it know what dependencies to fetch and from where?

normal gradle/NG can do that too if the maven you download from is setup to point to the other mavens

[neat mango]

yeah that

just found that out. FG couldnt do it

[zealous zenith]

it could, thats how create served its dependencies

[neat mango]

i was told that fg.deobf broke it. not sure how the internals worked

[zealous zenith]

you may be right, I thought I was getting all of the create deps in one, but looks like I had to pass { transitive = false } to create, and still manually declare the deps

[steep spruce]

W pfp chonky

[neat mango]

Yeah I love the artist. I have been using their artwork as pfp for almost a year now.

https://www.instagram.com/_artizzy/ you should check them out :)

[steep spruce]

will do

[radiant depot]

addons don't need it, ars is already compiled at that point

If you don't care about the forest in devenv you can ignore it

[mossy hollow]

How are you finding it? I'm considering switching to MDG over archloom due to unfortunately more archloom errors and MDG looks much better than ForgeGradle

[neat mango]

MDG super nice. I removed alot of code during the port so it is nice

according to shartte/gimpansor, it is recommended way for people starting out with neoforge and for simpler projects

Rover(from enderio) said the multi mod/sources/module project is also easier in MDG

[mossy hollow]

Oof, Chonky wins first to 1.21

I'm working on it but there's so much to update

[neat mango]

I mean ocultas barely has anything.

[neat mango]

true, needed to change so much even though it was small

I will look into updating the example addon. would you want to use mdg for that?

[mossy hollow]

I think it makes sense to use MDG yeah

but it's baileys call

[radiant depot]

Plugin [id: 'net.neoforged.gradle.userdev', version: '7.0.145'] was not found in any of the following sources:

do you remember why it throws his?

uh, mdg would simply be a variation of ng, still by neo?

i'll check it from chonk's

[neat mango]

did you add the maven repo ?

in settings.gradle

[neat mango]

still by neo but written from scratch. its faster and uses modern gradle features

[radiant depot]

Ah, new gradle file needed

I sus that

[mossy hollow]

folks why am I going crazy

[radiant depot]

reboot the IDE /s

[zealous zenith]

You have to pass the egeneric

.<HaversackData>builder, it doesnt get inferred

[mossy hollow]

ty

I was inspecting your version but it didn't show in the compiled code

[gleaming fox]

it worked

me is happy

time to add some compatibility for ars magic damage and Apoth

btw does anyone have Shadow Of Fire's DC?

i couldn't find it unfortunatly

[mossy hollow]

https://discord.gg/shadows-mods-613010559532531713

[neat mango]

Should I add compat for my mod (the armor one) with Ars Nouveau. It can take the same attributes and enchants

Help me decide how I should go about it without overshadowing ars armors

(dont want to repeat what happened with heretic)

[mossy hollow]

I've ported everything but capabilities now, that's for tomorrow

For Ars Additions

[radiant depot]

I'll rush after Sunday

Today I ported the core of neg, leaving out the binder as I have to rewrite the inventory and might have to correct stuff for the book perks

And I shouldn't had, I have an exam Thursday

[neat mango]

@rugged urchin are these the new colors ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775412407039426600/1265508885205094440/image.png?ex=66a1c47e&is=66a072fe&hm=06b5cceaff9fb0bfc2beebb9103c860b337878a5b862db2e3092e25ae383b0c6&

it looks a bit muted doesnt it ?

[radiant depot]

I thought for a moment that was new sword

Instead of... Fishing rod ?

[gleaming fox]

same

[mossy hollow]

Yeah part of me thought laser sword

[neat mango]

for 1.21. ensure you recipes are in "recipe" folder and not "recipes". check your datagen target :)

[neat mango]

know any good way to automatically bump version numbers in gradle.properties?

[mossy hollow]

Not so much bump but I have in my CI pipeline a way to set the version and build it and check the version into source control

[neat mango]

what does the last part do?

as in tag it?

[mossy hollow]

tag but also track it so it's possible to see the latest version from the source

[rugged urchin]

The only new colors is the brighter gold

[gleaming fox]

how should i go about creating a script to generate data (json)?

[mossy hollow]

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/blob/1.20/src/main/java/com/hollingsworth/arsnouveau/common/datagen/BuddingConversionProvider.java

Something like this in datagen could work

[radiant depot]

Have a way to make the JSON from the object then use that skeleton to generate it as file

For a lot of vanilla stuff there are premade methods, if you check Ars datagen classes you will find one for almost all types

[gleaming fox]

oooh alright

i am making a tetra addon (pain) and i need to make a lot of jsin files for it

thanks a lot

[mossy hollow]

Tetra may have datagen providers

[radiant depot]

I would say to take a look at the 1.19 tetra ars addon

But the mod likely got some internal rewrite

#ArsArmiger

[mossy hollow]

Ars Armiger was basically just KubeJS iirc

[radiant depot]

It was upgraded later IIRC?

[gleaming fox]

heya there, how should i make it so that a certain glyph is disabled by default?

[radiant depot]

I think you can try to override the buildConfig to make it default to disable

[gleaming fox]

i think imma create a tetra addon based around modular spell books (don't note my words)

[gleaming fox]

thanks a lot

[neat mango]

what kind of modular spell books ?

[unreal summit]

Yay. Ars Fauna is done - finally got that last loot table to work as intended. It REALLY didn’t want me calling loot from other mods for some reason.

[gleaming fox]

idk yet

but i'm looking into it

it might also be (even more) modular armors

IE custom material mage armors, upgradable (hopefully)

[gleaming fox]

any idea as to why this recipe does not work anymore?

[neat mango]

which version ?

[gleaming fox]

4.12.1

found the error, i am big dumb

i forgot to finish adding an apparatus recipe (no result) and it bugged the whole thing out

[brave quiver]

@unreal summit are their hitboxes ment to be this large?

think your the right one to ask, sorry if not

[unreal summit]

They are not. Proabably not a big deal with Skelebuncles, but I’ll check it out.

[unreal summit]

Hotfix has been submitted and should be ready for download shortly.

[gleaming fox]

does anyone know why this is not working (forge 4.2.20) ?

[mossy hollow]

What's the type of FROSTED_EFFECT?

[gleaming fox]

oh i am big dumn

;-;

sorry for bothering you

[mossy hollow]

it be like that haha

[radiant depot]

Art style wise, how would you translate the Carian Phalanx to Ars?

Keep the swords or make them something more like homing soulmass, with current projectile style?

[neat mango]

is it form or an effect ?

if its latter and will have swords, keep swords in art

[radiant depot]

Would be a form

A mix of orbit and homing

[gleaming fox]

both would be awesome

it's working people wrong chat lmaooo

[rocky grail]

was looking into ars code to see if there were any low hanging fruit to optimize, nope

i mean theres a few nitpicks

but nothing i can say would be substantial enough to see a % boost

SourceManager::tick is a bit sussy with the stale hashset, but it only runs every 3 seconds

there is a lot of copying in SourceManager in general actually

not exactly sure why?

yeah new HashMap(old) creates a shallow copy anyway

verified through jshell

which to me means that getCopySetForLevel is either wrong or useless

at least in the contexts its being used for in all of SourceManager

[honest narwhal]

So I've been trying to make an Ars Nouveau addon, I made a fork of Bailyholl's repo and imported it into IntellJ, but I keep getting:

A problem occurred evaluating root project 'Ars-Nouveau-Example-Addon'.

Failed to apply plugin 'net.minecraftforge.gradle'.
Found Gradle version Gradle 8.7. Versions Gradle 8.0 and newer are not supported.
Use ForgeGradle 6 or newer for Gradle 8.0+ support.

https://github.com/Eeebsie/Ars-Nouveau-Example-Addon
How do I downgrade my gradle version?

Any help appreciated

[shadow helm]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33892760/how-to-downgrade-to-older-version-of-gradle

[shadow helm]

Sorry, in between rounds and couldn't help more. If the gradlew wrapper is checked in you can just use that, too

[unreal summit]

Anybody have an idea why this isn’t working?

#api-development message

Doesn’t create an error during compiling, but doesn’t show up in game as a valid recipe either.

[neat mango]

what is the file path ?

[neat mango]

also, if there is any error, it wont show during compilation but when you load into the world

[mossy hollow]

Can you show your log file also?

[mossy hollow]

ars_nouveau:enchanters_bow isn't the right name

[unreal summit]

And the file path is src/main/resources/data/ars_artillery/recipes/

It's in the same folder as all the working recipes

[mossy hollow]

Yeah it's just an incorrect item name

[unreal summit]

ah...i guessed (incorrectly) that it followed the same format as all the others

and voila! Fire Turrets are now craftable

[honest narwhal]

That's for Andriod Studios thanks anyway tho

[shadow helm]

Intellij should have a setting to use the gradlew wrapper in the repo, that should work

[radiant depot]

Go to gradle folder then gradlewrapper.properties?

Could also try to up to FG6

Changing name: 'ForgeGradle', version: '5.1.+', to 6+

[honest narwhal]

I did

https://github.com/Eeebsie/Ars-Nouveau-Example-Addon In the build.gradle, do I need line 159 through 171?

It's giving an error for line 159 (I didn't change anything)

[gleaming fox]

(probably not the right channel, but) hello friends, is this mixin correct ?

public class TetraItemRClicked extends Events
{
  ItemModularHandheld item;
  UseOnContext context;
  public TetraItemRClicked(ItemStack item, UseOnContext context)
  {
    this.item = item; 
    this.context= context;
  }

  @Override
  public boolean isCancelable(){return false;}
  public static class Pre extends TetraItemRClicked {
    @Override
    public boolean isCancelable(){return true;}
    public Pre(StatusContext context){super(context,item);}
    public void PostPre(Pre pre){MinecraftForge.EVENT_BUS.post(pre);}
  }
}

In : InteractionResult

@Mixin(InteractionResult.class)
public abstract class TetraItemInterractMixin{

  @Inject(method = "useOn", at = @At("HEAD"))
  public void headInjection(){
     TetraItemRClicked.Pre.PostPre(new Pre(context,player.getItemInHand(hand)))
  } 
}

(i need this mixin to easily have less pain when create modulable casting tools)

[radiant depot]

First of all, does it work?

[gleaming fox]

i know think it should work

but i am confused on how to inject it and reference things tahtare in the method i will be mixing in

[radiant depot]

Ah, a Mixin injection takes all the arguments of the original method

Plus a callback to change the return value, if it's not void

[gleaming fox]

ooh

interesting

may i ask if i could modify a list of variables (the tetra abilities) as they are declared in a static method (they are declared with public final ChargedAbilityEffect[] ...)?

this is the main issue i am having (atm)

[mossy hollow]

I recommend this if you need help working with mixins

https://github.com/2xsaiko/mixin-cheatsheet

[mossy hollow]

You should be able to use an accessor to set the value

[gleaming fox]

hmm

[radiant depot]

I'd ask in Tetra discord if there is any proper way to do what you want first

If it's closed source now, it might be hard to find but be there

[gleaming fox]

it is indeed closed source

(no gh for 1.20)

[mossy hollow]

My suggestion is to not use mods

But that's not very helpful

[gleaming fox]

what are arr mods?

[mossy hollow]

All Rights Reserved

[gleaming fox]

ah i see

[mossy hollow]

Closed source mods, where you're running into license issues just looking into the source

[gleaming fox]

it's not ARR

liscence here

[mossy hollow]

That's just for the 1.18 code

1.19, and 1.20 are not source available

[gleaming fox]

mhm

then i'll talk to the author

thanks for the tips

[mossy hollow]

Nowadays it's ARR

Taken from the CurseForge page

Same as Biomes OPlenty

[rocky grail]

somehow it doesnt seem like that big of a deal

even with 81916 source jars in the same chunk

well actually its per level

but still that should mean 81916 hash computations

and it still only took 10ms over 1m20s of a turret being powered by a command block clock (cant remember if it was 10hz or 20hz)

BlockPos.withinManhattanStream could probably use some inlining though

capturing lambda go brrr

though the most expensive is definitely world.getBlockEntity

nothing we can really do about that though

[honest narwhal]

Hey, quick question, does anyone know of any tutorials on how to use baileyholl's Ars Nouveau Example Addon? (From the GitHub)

Any help greatly appreciated

Or if you know someone who could help me set up an IntellJ environment for the example mod that would be better.

[radiant depot]

Since it's gradle the issue, maybe you should try starting fresh

[radiant depot]

https://youtu.be/55qUIf3GMss?si=rZ6_Lf3kgTOI5Kyu

[gleaming fox]

kaupenjoe my beloved 😻

[honest narwhal]

Good idea that sounds like a plan

I'll keep yall updated

[honest narwhal]

I got it to build from scratch

[gleaming fox]

@radiant depot you might have made a mistake (link version is 1.21, post version is 1.20)

[radiant depot]

force of habits

[gleaming fox]

mhm

[radiant depot]

corrected anyway

[gleaming fox]

hello, would this code work ?

[zealous zenith]

if that push call fires to the event bus then sure

[gleaming fox]

yes

the #push method is basically : MinecraftForge.EVENT_BUS.post(event)

thanks a lot

:^)

[radiant depot]

As always, just test it and you'll be sure

Seems fine as a concept

[unreal summit]

How would I go about registering a new creature type?

What I am wanting is to register all of my turret entities under a single type so that I can have a command target all entities of “type=turret”

[rocky grail]

p sure thats just their resource location

there should be tags iirc though

[unreal summit]

I have 21 different turret entities that I want to target with a single command. I can run 21 separate commands to target them all, but I’m trying to figure out how to target them all with one command.

[mossy hollow]

You'll want to use an entity type tag, then you can use @e[type="#ars_artillery:turrets"]

[rocky grail]

how do i mark a block to be mineable with a pickaxe?

i forgot to do so for my spell prism lol

it just drops nothing always

[mossy hollow]

tag minecraft:mineable/pickaxe

[rocky grail]

ah in resources yeah?

i guess provider miiight make more sense

ok now they break faster and still dont drop the item lmao

probably registering something wrong

yeah missed the loot table provider here like https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/blob/main/src/main/java/com/hollingsworth/arsnouveau/common/datagen/DefaultTableProvider.java

[unreal summit]

But how do I add entities to a type tag?

[shadow helm]

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/blob/5c4c5689714c95bee07262ee458d79d75c38f46b/src/generated/resources/data/ars_nouveau/tags/entity_types/drygmy_blacklist.json#L4
Datapack

[unreal summit]

So I just make a json file in the tags folder and add mobs by name using that formatting?

[mossy hollow]

Yep

[native belfry]

Hey guys, how do i bind a wayfinder?

[unreal summit]

Okay, what program do I need in order to pack my source code into a mod .jar if I don’t want to use the built-in function in MCreator?

[radiant depot]

Do you still have folders with .java files?

[unreal summit]

I do.

I’m not yet to a point where I can let go of MCreator completely for generating code. Looking at the .java file that defines an entity still looks like gibberish to me.

But I’m running into a situation where I’m including more and more custom code - which works fine if it is snippets within a file, but not if it involves custom folders that aren’t part of MCreator’s interface.

The built-in function to convert the file tree into a .jar won’t include any folders or files that weren’t generated by the interface, so I’m looking for a way to include them in the final .jar

[radiant depot]

Just asking cause no idea on how mcc gives the user the files

You should download the example mod and then replace the files with yours

Then use the IDE to compile

[unreal summit]

Is there a way to have a mob run a command?

[mossy hollow]

https://xyproblem.info/

Why do you want a mob to run a command?

[unreal summit]

I want my Abjuration turret to apply a potion effect on all mobs of a certain type within range

[mossy hollow]

You'd want to use a method on level to get nearby entities that match your condition

What potion effect do you want to apply?

[unreal summit]

As the player I can run the command /effect give @e[type=#ars_artillery:turrets, distance=1..4] Minecraft:regeneration 5 and it does what I want

[mossy hollow]

You want to give other turrets regeneration?

[unreal summit]

Ultimately I need it to apply regen 1, resistance 1, and a third effect I haven’t decided on yet for the three tiers

[mossy hollow]

Are you doing this in MCreator or in code?

[unreal summit]

I’m in MCreator, but I’ve learned how to lock the elements so I can customize the code within a given element when I need custom code for something

[mossy hollow]

I can help out with code snippets tomorrow if someone can't help before then

[unreal summit]

Is it not possible to just have an entity run a command?

[mossy hollow]

I mean technically you can, but it would be way more complex than just applying the effect

Applying the effect will be less than a dozen lines of code

Running a command as an entity I don't even know where I'd begin, probably looking at the source code for the execute command

[unreal summit]

Applying the potion effect to a single target is easy to do with MCreator, I just can’t figure out a way to simultaneously apply it to all entities of a given type in range other than using the command line.

[mossy hollow]

There's a method on the level/world to get all entities that match a condition

I'll send you the code tomorrow

[gleaming fox]

@unreal summit try to paste this in the entity class:

static final HashMap<MobEffect, Integer> effects = new HashMap<>();
   static{
       effects.put(MobEffects.REGENERATION,1);
       effects.put(MobEffects.ABSORPTION,1);
   }
   public void tick() {
       super.tick();
       if (this.age % 20 != 0){return;}
       float rad = 4;
       List<Entity> nearby = this
               .level()
               .getEntities(this, new AABB(
                               this.position()
                                       .add(rad, rad, rad),
                               this.position()
                                       .subtract(rad, rad, rad)
                       )
               );
       for (Entity e : nearby) {
           if (e instanceof LivingEntity living /* filters */) {
               for (MobEffect eff : effects.keySet() /* will go through the keys, in this case, MobEffects*/){
                   if (!(living.hasEffect(eff))){ /* so as to not override more potent potion effects*/
                       living.addEffect(new MobEffectInstance(eff, 40,effects.get(eff),true,true)); 
/*
eff is the key (instanceof MobEffect)
40 is the duration (in ticks)
effects.get(eff) returns the potency, stored in the effects HashMap (a table). 
the two boolean are optional and dictate the aesthetic properties, IE if the effect makes particles appear and if it is visible to the player.
*/
                   }
               }
           }
       }

[mossy hollow]

You want some check for the tick number otherwise you're searching for all the entities every single tick and reapplying the effect each tick

[radiant depot]

you can probably use mob age and then modulo

Like
if (this.age % 10 == 0) ...

[gleaming fox]

alright

edited the code a bit

shouuld be less laggy

[unreal summit]

1)How do I make it only affect certain types (in this case tagged as ars_artillery:turrets)?
2)if I wanted to use a potion effect from another mod, say shielding from Ars nouveau, what’s the syntax for that?

[gleaming fox]

do you have a gh (git hub repo)

[gleaming fox]

1 : are your turrets instanciated from another class (E.G public class AbjurationTurret implements ITurretInterface)
2 : you would need to find the place where the potion are registered (in AN's case, com.hollingsworth.arsnouveau.setup.registry.ModPotions.BLAST_EFFECT

btw keep in mind that potions (the drinkable) are created from the mob effect (IE BLAST_POTION != BLAST_EFFECT).
If you want custom duration/amplifier, declare a new MobEffectInstane like in the code i shared...
(that is using the MobEffect)

[unreal summit]

1)I don’t know. I know that if I’m just using the command line I type #ars_artillery:category/turrets to do it
2)don’t have anything in particular in mind yet, I just know that replacing REGENERATION with ars_nouveau:shielding didn’t work in code even though it works fine in command lines

[unreal summit]

Not for Artillery as of yet.

[gleaming fox]

can you create a class like this :

public interface ILyrellionTurret{
}

and then, at the start of every turret entity, do this :

public class DummyTurret extends Entity implements ILyrellionTurret {
// code
}

then in code, you can do :

if (Entity entity instanceof ILyrellionTurret){/* Code*/}

[unreal summit]

I’ll have to take a look when I get home this evening, but I don’t know how to do that in MCreator. Maybe “Add new game rule”?

[gleaming fox]

you will need to go into the .java files

[unreal summit]

I can only edit an existing file, not create a new one. But I can tell it to create a new file of a type that it recognizes and then edit it.

[gleaming fox]

alr

[unreal summit]

It’s like when I made the recipes for the turrets in the enchanting apparatus. I had to use “Add new recipe”, then lock the element so the program wouldn’t update it automatically, then go in and replace the code in the element by hand. If I had simply added a new recipe file into the folder manually, the program simply wouldn’t acknowledge its existence.

But at the same time, I’m not at a point where I can just NOT use the program, because I don’t know how to do things like make a creature walk, set their stats, or call an animation - I need the GUI to guide me.

[gleaming fox]

it's not a pb

i'd recommend getting Intellij or another editor for when you are editing the code manually

(if you don't have one already)

[unreal summit]

Once I lock an element in MCreator, I can directly access the code for that file through the interface and make any changes.

It just doesn’t let me freeform entire files, or move a file from one subfolder to another. But like the Tentabuncle loot table for Ars Fauna - I told it to create a loot table for the Tentabuncle so it would make and register the file, then I just locked the element, deleted the entirety of the text, and rewrote the entire file - all from inside the GUI.

This is also why yesterday I was asking about programs to package my source into the final .jar.

If I could use MCreator to generate the code for the core of the project, then just add additional custom files in subfolders as needed, it would open up new options - but I need something that could then convert the directory into the .jar without using MCreator’s built in compiler.

[gleaming fox]

intellij can pretty easily do that

(i recommend looking at the build.gradle and the gradle.properties files in the ars adam+ gh repo to have an example of how it should be done)

[radiant depot]

If you wanna lock on doing it via MCC, I'd advise to ask in their discord first

We will always end up talking in java

[unreal summit]

Their discord has been notoriously unhelpful.

And I’m not specifically locked on doing it in MCC, but I DO still need SOMEthing with a GUI at the stage I am at. It’s like trying to write a thesis in a foreign language - I need something that basically translates from English to Java because I have the vocabulary equivalent of an elementary school child.

[neat mango]

I am pretty sure getEntities() has an overload where you can specify the class type

so you don't need an additional interface

[zealous zenith]

what is mcc?

oh mcreator?

[mossy hollow]

I thought MCC was Minecraft Championships

[neat mango]

@zealous zenith do you put your CF points under your income/tax report

does the American law consider CF "work"

[radiant depot]

Keep in mind that different countries have different rules

And may depend on thresholds

[neat mango]

I need to know about US

[radiant depot]

Ah, pretty sure it does in US

[zealous zenith]

CF points are considered income

there is a specific tax code for hobby related work that is required after I think $600

[neat mango]

that's sad. I have never withdrawn any points and wanted to get a new laptop but now I am in USA on student visa and so it's illegal for me to work

[unreal summit]

So I don’t have to report my $2.😂

[neat mango]

does that mean I cannot make/monetize mods any more?

[zealous zenith]

its not a W2 income, and CF is not a US based entity

[neat mango]

what is W2? can you elaborate

[zealous zenith]

W2 is the standard worker tax form for employed persons

I think non-residents still have to file taxes and declare income, you just can’t be employed with a W2

Not sure on that though. Us tax code is notoriously complex

[radiant depot]

Do Amazon cards go towards that?

Maybe you can circumvent it, since it's not actual income

[neat mango]

I was thinking about that but at the same time dont wanna get in trouble

[neat mango]

I think I read something like that on visa note. I will go check

[radiant depot]

600/year or 600/month anyway

[unreal summit]

Anything with a monetary value technically counts as income under the US tax code

[zealous zenith]

A year

Yeah it technically counts but absolutely no one is going to notice a student withdrawing some gift cards. Cf doesn’t report anything

[radiant depot]

But it doesn't have a name

[zealous zenith]

I also don’t know which country the income is counted under

[radiant depot]

you just get a code that might be as well a gift code from your grandma, unlike PayPal that is listed as coming from Ow

[mossy hollow]

Israel

[unreal summit]

Which is why I said “technically”.

Unless you are withdrawing an exorbitant amount the IRS will be none the wiser.

[mossy hollow]

Overwolf is Israeli

[unreal summit]

Gifts are also technically taxable, above a certain threshold at least

[zealous zenith]

Yeah but as a non resident you have to file income but which country does that income go to

I think the US forces you to declare all income even if you didn’t get it from anything related to the US

[mossy hollow]

I think they may be classified as a resident as it's their current permanent address

[mossy hollow]

That's due to being a US citizen, all income has to be declared to the US

And you get taxed on all overseas income as a US citizen

[unreal summit]

I know the US is very greedy and expects you to file US taxes on anything earned while you are living in the US - even if you ALSO have to file them elsewhere.

[mossy hollow]

Yes*

* most western countries have a tax treaty with the US, so while you have to file taxes, you don't typically pay double tax

[gleaming fox]

oh this would be helpful

[mossy hollow]

It also has a variant with a predicate to filter each entity

And a variant that lets you specify the radius without needing to make the AABB

[unreal summit]

I wasn’t able to create a new entity class, so I couldn’t make the Abjuration turrets look for all nearby turrets, but I managed to make all turrets check for nearby Abjuration turrets and self apply the potion effects. Not elegant, but it works.😂

Brute force for the win.

Also, never underestimate the stubbornness of a Gen Xer.😜

[gleaming fox]

this feels cursed… but if it works and doesn’t lag then its fine…

[radiant depot]

We'll never know without looking at the code and seeing an user spam them

But it's not like you need to open the box and discover it now

[unreal summit]

Well I tested by spawning in 150 turrets in my Ars Eclectica world that I use for testing my mod builds and didn’t see any drops in performance so there is that.

[gleaming fox]

did you use spark to see which % of the world's operations was caused by the turrets?

does anyone know the cause of this error ?
i tried a bunch of things but none worked...
(tried asking for help in the forge DC server but sadly nobody responded...)

[radiant depot]

i think that iss_smp addon have another dependency

[unreal summit]

I don’t fully know how to read a spark profile, but the percentage next to ars_artillery says 0.19% even with spammed turrets all over the place?

[severe crystal]

Every time I go here I get intimidated lol

[gleaming fox]

dw

you’ll get used to it

[gleaming fox]

this is the client thread

do : spark tickmonitor

[gleaming fox]

can you send a screenshot of the bottom of the page?

i meed to see if you have the server thread available

[gleaming fox]

ah alroght, thanks a lot

[unreal summit]

Okay, yeah. That’s not gonna work…back to square 1

[unreal summit]

Disabled the procedure and uploaded a hotfix to Curseforge. That was definitely not a workable solution

[unreal summit]

Anyone have any idea why someone might be getting uncontrolled spawns of my Enderbuncles - like supposedly thousands of them?

Links to relevant source code:
https://github.com/Lyrellion/Ars-Fauna/blob/master/src/main/java/net/mcreator/arsfauna/entity/EnderbuncleEntity.java
https://github.com/Lyrellion/Ars-Fauna/blob/master/src/main/java/net/mcreator/arsfauna/procedures/EnderbuncleNaturalEntitySpawningConditionProcedure.java

[rocky grail]

no relevant mobcap?

your mobtype is MobType.UNDEFINED

[unreal summit]

it should be following the passive creature mob cap - and it does so on my test world

[rocky grail]

though im not sure if thats what defines the mobcap because ive never made an entity lol

seems like all your buncles are MobType.UNDEFINED though

not all, theres some undeads

i wonder what defines mobcap

seems to be defined here https://github.com/Lyrellion/Ars-Fauna/blob/03c43c6da9e60d4030bdb592ac15ebf0ee91b7df/elements/Enderbuncle.mod.json#L4

which says creature

which should mean passives

and neutrals

who experienced thousands of enderbuncles anyway

and in what conditions

[unreal summit]

the MobType there is either UNDEFINED, UNDEAD, ILLAGER, WATER, or ARTHROPOD in MCreator, so mine all fall under UNDEFINED or UNDEAD

[unreal summit]

a user named saeurkrau5 who reported to my github issue page...said he went to fight the enderdragon and encountered 1000's of enderbuncles

[rocky grail]

the only other possibility i can think of is that buncles are spawning in lazy/border chunks but that just shouldnt happen

[unreal summit]

so i took a look at the code but saw nothing out of order and tested for about 30 minutes in game, but couldnt duplicate it

so i wanted to get a better set of eyes than mine to see if there was some glaring error i was missing

[rocky grail]

im like 99% sure minecraft should handle that case by itself

[unreal summit]

On a side note: I’ve also gotten around to publishing the source code for Ars Artillery

[rocky grail]

i still have no idea what artillery is supposed to do :p

[unreal summit]

1)decorative rune blocks
2)play tower defense😜

I mean…you can also use the turrets as static base defenses if you want to.

Or even as extra firepower when out hunting, but that would get expensive

[rocky grail]

i originally thought the turret models you posted were pre-imbued chambers

in other words single-block imbuement recipes

[unreal summit]

Well that doesn’t sound like artillery at all.😂

[rocky grail]

yeah lol

i dont think pre-imbued chambers is a bad idea though

might take it for controle in 1.21

maybe not

im too bad at graphics

[unreal summit]

That is a project for better programmers than me

Honestly, once I get Artillery finished I’m probably going to move onto my other projects for a while before I try my hand at another mod

[rocky grail]

aw

your mods are pretty neat i think

havent played with artillery ofc

[unreal summit]

I want to get the minifigs and the D&D books done

#community-creations message

[rocky grail]

are they gonna go on sale :p

[unreal summit]

Don’t know yet, but probably not. I will probably just post the final STL files on my personal Discord and make them available for free - especially to any Ars devs that might be interested in them.

The Ars D&D supplement MIGHT go on DrivethruRPG for a nominal fee. The ESO book cannot be sold because it violates the OGL and CC licenses, so it can only be shared as personal homebrew - not formally published, even for free distribution

[mossy hollow]

Anyone experiencing client freezing on quit on 1.21? My dev instance takes forever to stop, even trying to terminate the process in IntelliJ

[rocky grail]

ive had that issue for a while which is why i usually just kill the process

[mossy hollow]

Yeah killing the process still makes my editor hang

[mossy hollow]

Hey folks, how can I set up a recipe to clear the data on an item? I was hoping just a shapeless recipe would work, but it seems to maintain the original data:

shapelessBuilder(AddonItemRegistry.ADVANCED_DOMINION_WAND.get()).requires(AddonItemRegistry.ADVANCED_DOMINION_WAND.get()).save(consumer);

[zealous zenith]

that doesnt work anymore? it should

if not that means the clear scroll recipe is broken now too 😩

[mossy hollow]

It isn't working in my 1.20.1 one

[mossy hollow]

The spell parchment recipe makes a blank parchment so it should be fine afaict

[mossy hollow]

Update, I'm an idiot and I was mutating my default data

[mossy hollow]

How can I have a loot table guaranteed drop two items?

I was thinking I could do a sequence but it doesn't do what I was hoping

{
  "type": "minecraft:sequence",
  "children": [
    {
      "type": "minecraft:item",
      "name": "ars_nouveau:drygmy_charm"
    },
    {
      "type": "minecraft:item",
      "name": "ars_nouveau:summon_focus"
    }
  ]
}

[unreal summit]

My Eyebuncle has multiple guaranteed drops if it’s any help.

https://github.com/Lyrellion/Ars-Fauna/blob/master/src/main/resources/data/ars_fauna/loot_tables/entities/eyebuncle.json

[mossy hollow]

Oh it just seperate loot pools

Not sure if that works for me

I wanted to do if silk touch drop block, if not drop charm and focus

Oh well I'll just make it dropSelf

[unreal summit]

Can someone direct me to the source files for how to setup patchouli pages? I found this, but don’t see how to setup the actual text for the pages themselves, just the categories.

[zealous zenith]

look in the generated folder

they are created with datagen

[unreal summit]

Thank you. Found them.

Okay, I see those files call text files from another location, such as ars_nouveau.page.alteration_table

Where would I find THOSE resources in the file structure?

[radiant depot]

assets/lang/

en_us.json is the English one

It's a pointer to the translated text basically

[unreal summit]

Awesome. Thanks

So to add an Ars Fauna/Artillery guide book I just have to setup a similar file structure😁

Now that everything in the mods is “done” and I don’t need new code auto-generated, I’m going to try exporting my MCreator workspaces to IntelliJ, where I will have more freedom to create custom files without the program ignoring them.

[zealous zenith]

just dont put yours in generated if you arent using datagen, put them in the proper resources folder

[radiant depot]

Generated folder is where file generated by datagen code are stored, and cleaned when not needed, then put all together by the build jar task

[unreal summit]

Which would be where?

[zealous zenith]

in that first folder you found where only the categories exist

generated follows the exact same format as the standard folder, and during jar build they get copied over into assets

but generated is for things made by scripts, if you add something manually it will either get ignored if you arent configured correctly, or get deleted if you run datagen

[unreal summit]

So I would take everything from this folder

And put it here?

[zealous zenith]

might be better if you download the ars nouveau jar and open it up in a zip viewer GUI so you can see the exact format

[unreal summit]

When I’m on PC instead of my mobile I can see the file structure when I view the GitHub.

Just trying to clarify whether what I’m needing to do is to just create an “entries” folder with the relevant files in the “main” directory instead of in the “generated” directory

And likewise, with the “assets”?

[radiant depot]

"Generated" folder is something only used by the datagen. If a file doesn't come from datagen it will be deleted, it also won't be present inside the build jar

So everything you're seeing on git under generated folder, assume it goes in main folder with same path when your doing it by hand and not by code

[unreal summit]

Okay, so I’ve moved my workspace into IntelliJ instead of MCreator, but I can’t figure out how to export the build as a .jar file.

Looking online says to run the “build” task in gradle, but I don’t get a file from doing that. It just says “BUILD SUCCESSFUL”.

[zealous zenith]

its in the build/libs folder

[neat mango]

to build a jar. you need to go to your runs on right side and search and run "jar"

and then it will be in the directly mentioned above

[unreal summit]

Yeah, I had run the build task. I just couldn’t find the file because I was used to seeing a popup that let me choose where to save it.

Got both mods converted over to IntelliJ and have added patchouli support to both.

[snow wraith]

Why does Ars not register ISourceTile as a capability? Found a PR that does exactly this https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/pull/1085
Also addSource and removeSource should have a simulate parameter (also return how much was/would be moved instead of the new amount). Makes it easier for other mods to stay in sync.

[radiant depot]

Can't remember why Bailey did nothing about it

With 1.21 cap rework a similar thing is more likely to be implemented before the officially stable versions

[mossy hollow]

Is there anything new I need to do in 1.21 to add curio slots? I can't get my charm slots working and I have no idea why

[radiant depot]

Try with the datagen I added

Idk why but old format doesn't work

And it's very trivial to setup the datagen for the slots

[mossy hollow]

I did and it did nothing

[zealous zenith]

You may have to make a new world for it to apply

[mossy hollow]

I tried 😦

[mossy hollow]

comparing jars

exact same place

Same curios version

I have no idea what's going wrong

literally the same apart from value

[zealous zenith]

you need an entities file too

[mossy hollow]

Oh you do?

ahhhh

[zealous zenith]

thats how curios knows which entity can have a type of slot

which seems a bit weird you can even bother giving mobs specific slot types

[mossy hollow]

I assumed that was for rendering

[zealous zenith]

its set on the player data attributes, then you may need a new world

[mossy hollow]

Alright, will give that a try ty

What happened to Curios just auto-detecting the registered curios

[zealous zenith]

not sure, it took me a while to figure out wtf was going on

[mossy hollow]

this has fucked with me the past 2 days

[mossy hollow]

Did anything change with structures in 1.21?

this is supposed to be my nexus tower

Oh they renamed the folder

ah shit, block data for runes is different, so that breaks my runes

[neat mango]

I never asked this before but are there any guidelines for addons ?

for things that could overshadow/overpower base ars tools and equipment

[unreal summit]

Pretty sure that cat is already out of the bag between Omega, Trinkets, and Plus.😂

[rocky grail]

heck even elemental lol

[neat mango]

dont think elemental falls in the same category as the others. it extends mechanics than overshadow

[rocky grail]

their armor is indisputably better than what base offers

[neat mango]

its tier 4 and is a direct upgrade

overshadowing would be replacing it entirely

[unreal summit]

At this point I honestly consider Elemental part of “base Ars”. The stuff it adds is the natural progression from Diamond to netherite and isn’t really that OP.

Jarva’s new ATM tier armor is starting to push things to the next level, but it’s honestly kinda needed for Ars to stay relevant in the large modpacks.

Trinkets, Omega, and Plus dial the power scaling up to 11 though. Or even higher if used together.

[main prawn]

Hey does ars use a simple function to make something accept and store source from a relay

[delicate iris]

I have a problem that I get this error Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalStateException: Duplicate key key_key.ars_temeritas.cast_spell (attempted merging values key.keyboard.p and key.keyboard.p) but ars_temeritas.cast_spell is old and doesn't exist anymore and i dont even try to bind b 😭
i am stumped
keybind class: [old link]

[delicate iris]

alr fixed it these 2 lines caused the game to crash

i am considering breaking discord tos 😭

[unreal summit]

If I want to make the runestone blocks from Ars Artillery count as sourcestone for purposes of building a warp portal frame, what do I need to add to the code?

[mossy hollow]

You just add them to the block tag an_decorative

https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Additions/blob/1.20.1/src/generated/data/ars_nouveau/tags/blocks/an_decorative.json

[unreal summit]

Thanks. I couldn’t figure out which tag counted. Was looking for something that said “sourcestone”.😁

[gleaming fox]

Hello, how should i access the serverLevel from an entity ticking event?

[mossy hollow]

if (entity.level() instanceof ServerLevel serverLevel) {}

[gleaming fox]

alright, thanks a lot ^o^

[steep spruce]

there ia ATM compat?

[gleaming fox]

indev by jarva

[delicate iris]

does the tier 4 slot do anything special?

[mossy hollow]

Nope, not sure if it even works currently

[rocky grail]

tbh even two t3 slots would be op compared to whats currently available

[gleaming fox]

the childrens yearn for more T3 slots

[pallid rapids]

well there's a lot of threads that have an effect based on the level of the slot they're in, I'm curious if those things can go above 3

[zealous zenith]

they can

I dont cap it

[pallid rapids]

I figured that'd be the case, like with enchantments

[gleaming fox]

man i hate java

i wonder how good a T4 wixie thread would be

iirc it's +20% dura per level?

[pallid rapids]

think it was 15% per level

[gleaming fox]

oh

still plenty good

[pallid rapids]

I could be wrong though

haven't cracked open that entry in a while

[gleaming fox]

60% more duration on melded potions is insane

[pallid rapids]

plus a wixie familiar on top of that, and a extend duration flask

[gleaming fox]

hoh

didn't think about these

[mossy hollow]

Yeah that's the plan for the tier 4 thread slots

[unreal summit]

I’m toying with the idea of upping the power scale with t5 armor of my own - possibly dual element combos if no one else does them. Won’t be for a while though, if I do it at all - focusing on the book for now.

[mossy hollow]

People have suggested it for Ars ATM, but not sure how I feel about it

[unreal summit]

Still in early concept phase, but what I’m thinking is a parallel progression. Could do your ATM armor for increased stats and t4 threads - or could stay at netherite and t3 threads in exchange for dual element mastery. Stuff like “Tempestmancer” for air/water or “Lavamancer” for earth/fire, etc

I gotta learn 1.21 neoforge first though.😁

Also would need 6 new armor models to cover the possible combos.

Think it would also be interesting to see an upgraded enchanters sword that has extra effects built in and/or that applies bonuses to certain spell types based on the spell schools.

[rocky grail]

do yall recommend moddevgradle or neogradle for 1.21 neoforge?

[neat mango]

shouldn't make a difference if it's a simple project

both are just configure once and forget about it

[mossy hollow]

It's not capped but the alteration table doesn't support higher than t3 unfortunately

It uses bones to display the tier and without overriding the model to add the other tiers it's not possible afaict

[gleaming fox]

sadge

[radiant depot]

Yeah, that is the hardcoded part of Bailey

No more than three slots and no more than tier three in the base table

[shadow helm]

Just an excuse to gate the armor harder behind an ATM table 😄

[gleaming fox]

nice nice

[mossy hollow]

Could just change alteration table to render a font there instead of hardcoded model for each tier

[gleaming fox]

hello there, if i were to create a LivingEntity temp; inside a capability and have LivingEntity getOldEntity(){return temp.deserializeNBT(this.oldEntityNBT))}, could i then use the getOldEntity method to set my LivingEntity's data to be the same as the old LivingEntity's data ?

[zealous zenith]

You would need to store the saved tag instead, and then return the entity by recreating it from the tag, since you are going to need a reference to a level

[gleaming fox]

hmm how can i recreate the entity from the tag?

is there a method in LivingEntity or in Entity that i could use?

[zealous zenith]

the mob jar does it

EntityType.loadEntityRecursive(tag, level, Function.identity());

[gleaming fox]

ohh thanks

[unreal summit]

is there an "easy" way to "rebuild" an existing mod from Forge to NeoForge format? I grabbed the 1.21.1 MDK, but do i have to completely rewrite all of my source code from scratch - or can large chunks of it be copied over and subsequently modified in IntelliJ?

[mossy hollow]

Yeah just copy it all over and update

[unreal summit]

what do i copy?, just the src folder?

[mossy hollow]

Yeah src folder works

[zealous zenith]

The mdk is just a different version of the gradle files, you can update your gradle manually

[unreal summit]

is there some sort of a "list of changes" posted somewhere online between the two?

Like, what does THIS need to change to, for instance:
"error: package net.minecraftforge.network.simple does not exist
import net.minecraftforge.network.simple.SimpleChannel;"

[zealous zenith]

updating to 1.21? most of the time you can delete the packages and your IDE will prompt you to import the same classes from neoforge

but a few things fundamentally changed due to MC changes, like networking.

[unreal summit]

This is what I’m getting from IntelliJ

I unzipped the MDK source from the repository, then copied over my src folder and hit “build”

[zealous zenith]

yep, delete those imports with the red lines

then hover over the symbols in the class and if there is a neoforge equivalent, import it

BUT, networking is completely different, so you will need to redo a large part of it. Iwould look at the ars nouveau Networking class

[unreal summit]

I think I may just have to rebuild completely from scratch in MCreator when they get the 1.21.1 builder up…😞

Code is quite literally like learning a different language

[mossy hollow]

Send the repository and I'll take a look at porting it for you

[zealous zenith]

1.21 is an especially brutal version change too

[mossy hollow]

It is yeah

[unreal summit]

I might take you up on that later Jarva, but I am also stubborn and will never learn anything if I don’t push myself first

[mossy hollow]

That's fair, but you can also learn from seeing the differences

Don't push yourself too much, that's how you burn out

[unreal summit]

Both of my mods’ source code is public though - and current - through CurseForge

[mossy hollow]

If you'd like to take a look, this is the majority of the Ars Additions port to 1.21
https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Additions/pull/3/files

beware, it's pretty dense

[unreal summit]

I frequently reference the AN, Elemental, and Additions github repositories when I’m trying to figure out how to accomplish something

[neat mango]

https://github.com/neoforged/.github/tree/main/primers

[radiant depot]

Neg might be the more slim porting

So could be easier to spot the stuff that needs to be changed in a smaller proj

[mossy hollow]

That's fair yeah

[zealous zenith]

oh alex, I think the issue with that missing function was just a binary breaking change to the params

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1277354032431759451

I may have changed the param to living entity from player, and you have to recompile your jar for htat

[radiant depot]

I literally recompiled twice after having the bug two releases ago

That's why it feels weird

I nuked the caches, maybe that will do in next build

[zealous zenith]

oh if you had rebuilt on the latest since that error then im not sure

[mossy hollow]

What's the different between Armor Type BODY and CHESTPLATE?

[unreal summit]

I know with apotheosis gems that there are gems that can go in either chest or leg pieces? Maybe something to do with that?

[zealous zenith]

is body the elytra?

[mossy hollow]

but there's also leg armor type

I have no idea, aren't they just the same slot? Isn't elytra a chestplate

Apparently body is for horses

[zealous zenith]

ah

does type 1:1 refer to a slot?

[mossy hollow]

Not sure

Elytra is just an item with the Equipable interface

not even armor

[gleaming fox]

hello, i used to have this listener (1.20.1) .

 @SubscribeEvent
 public void onTick(TickEvent.ServerTickEvent event){
        if(event.phase == TickEvent.Phase.START){/*do stuff*/}
}```
is the following snippet the "correct" way to replace the code?
```java
    @SubscribeEvent
    public void onTick(ServerTickEvent event){
        if(event instanceof ServerTickEvent.Pre){/*do stuff*/}
}

[rocky grail]

if you can put ServerTickEvent.Pre in the args thats probably the right way to do it

otherwise what youre doing seems fine

[gleaming fox]

alr

[radiant depot]

Ye, use directly Pre

So it only react to that and not to Post too, useless check every tick

Double check in Ars code if something use that anyway

[rocky grail]

Settings file '/home/qther/dev/java/Ars-Controle/settings.gradle' line: 10

Plugin [id: 'org.gradle.toolchains.foojay-resolver-convention', version: '0.8.0'] was not found in any of the following sources:

* Try:
> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
> Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
> Run with --scan to get full insights.
> Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.
BUILD FAILED in 3s
Configuration cache entry stored.
``` hm. empty sources despite copying additions' settings.gradle word for word

also tried copying from the mdg mdk examples

[mossy hollow]

settings.gradle

[rocky grail]

yeah?

pluginManagement {
    repositories {
        mavenLocal()
        gradlePluginPortal()
        maven { url = 'https://maven.neoforged.net/releases' }
    }
}

plugins {
    id 'org.gradle.toolchains.foojay-resolver-convention' version '0.8.0'
}```

this is from mdg mdk

i also tried the one in additions

which seems to be the nf maven repo being moved up in order

[mossy hollow]

Huh, maybe they're having issues with their maven?

[rocky grail]

perhaps

ill try again after dinner

and ask in their discord

the url there doesnt work for me but maybe its not supposed to be a website

https://maven.neoforged.net/#/releases works as a website though

but it doesnt work as a repo

[mossy hollow]

Yeah I'm not sure, I literally copy and pasted the ars Additions gradle file yesterday for my latest project

Could be a local env issue?

[rocky grail]

perhaps

i tried clearing the projects .gradle

ill try clearing ~/.gradle later i suppose

[rocky grail]

yeah that didnt work either

ah it was an outdated gradle version

needed 8.8

weird error though

[mossy hollow]

Yeah that's strange

[gleaming fox]

hello, would drygmy generate more/less loot based on their tick rate, or is it dictated by the server's tick rate?
(i need this info so as to blacklist drygmies from a certain glyph i am making if they do behave in such a way)

[radiant depot]

who do you think call a drygmy's tick?

anyway, drygmy create progress. it's the block that produces when progress reaches x

[gleaming fox]

asking this since a friend made this thing and it got my brain juice working and i thought that a time accel/decel glyph would be a nice idea

might need to port it for 1.21 though

[radiant depot]

is it just a "call the entity tick method x times instead of one (or once in a while if less than 1)" ?

you can simply test the interactions via command in 1.20.1 btw

[gleaming fox]

mhm alr

thanks

i'l try to make my little glyph using the API and if it doesn't work i'll have to use my brain to find another solution

[rocky grail]

globalpos iwandable when

[mossy hollow]

Perfect time to make a PR for 1.21

[gleaming fox]

hello, i am porting trinkets but it seems that this code produces the error in the linked file.

@SubscribeEvent
    public void doTabThings(BuildCreativeModeTabContentsEvent event) {
        if (event.getTab() == CreativeTabRegistry.BLOCKS.get()) {
            for (var item : ItemRegistry.ITEMS.getEntries()) {
                event.accept(item::get);
            }
        }
    }

[rocky grail]

hmm i cant seem to write my codec to the stack in Item#interactLivingEntity

wonder if the stack passed is a copy

yeah solved by using player.getItemInHand(hand)

think controle port is done then

ill do a release tomorrow after more testing

remote now also supports entities

additions' advanced wand is still better though

i cba to do modes

[gleaming fox]

still havent found a fix...
any help appreciated

[rocky grail]

@EventBusSubscriber(modid = ArsAdditions.MODID, bus = EventBusSubscriber.Bus.MOD)
public static class ServerModEvents {
    @SubscribeEvent
    public static void buildContents(BuildCreativeModeTabContentsEvent event) {
        if (event.getTabKey() == AddonCreativeTabRegistry.ADDITIONS_TAB.getKey()) {
            for (ItemRegistryWrapper<Item> item : AddonItemRegistry.REGISTERED_ITEMS) {
                event.accept(item);
            }

            for (BlockRegistryWrapper<? extends Block> block : AddonBlockRegistry.REGISTERED_BLOCKS) {
                event.accept(block);
            }
        }
    }
}
``` how additions does it

[mossy hollow]

https://github.com/Jarva/All-The-Arcanist-Gear

Sourcecode for All The Arcanist Gear, I think this is my cleanest mod yet

[radiant depot]

neo throws error if you're listening to the wrong bus, or both of them

so, by helping yourself with the event handler image in the pins, you have to make sure the class where that is only listen on the bus you need

IModBusEvent events are not allowed on the common NeoForge bus! Use a mod bus instead.

Even the stacktrace tells you

[gleaming fox]

yeah i got it to boot

thanks a lot

[mossy hollow]

Ars Elemental 1.21 doesn't register itself as tier 4 in the ArmorPerkHolder

[radiant depot]

Well, it doesn't have need to?

Do you need it for ATM?

[mossy hollow]

Nah, I've made an alternative for it

I think it may mean some of the attributes don't scale correctly, but I'm not sure

[radiant depot]

The only thing that scales with the armor is the mana stuff

Which I manually override

The more relevant part is that few thing might check for slot = slot3 instead of slot > slot2

[rocky grail]

could probably do a mass asm but

[rocky grail]

i need to shorten this lmao

[radiant depot]

Halv into two pages

[radiant depot]

repost of this since i forgot to pin it
https://gist.github.com/Technici4n/facbcdf18ce1a556b76e6027180c32ce

[radiant depot]

Apparently i had in my devenv of elemental a depedency to a curse ver of elemental

funny

[radiant depot]

Trying to port SBM, data components switch really messed up the potion stuff

Unsure if the feature can be kept

Capabilities part is almost a code cleanup on the other hand

[radiant depot]

starbuncle cobblegen?

[rocky grail]

id be more interested in a cobble starbunclegen

but no thats cool, wonder what else it could be useful for

get a few starbuncles and you can probably process a pretty fast blockstream from a tree farm

[radiant depot]

Idk, but it's a filtered block breaker

And they come with a filtered block placer ver

The problem now is managing the pickup

As the breaker should pickup what it breaks, but if it drops more than one item, how are you supposed to handle it?

[mossy hollow]

Queue the items that drop to be picked up?

If the item is no longer then skip to next

[mossy hollow]

Any ideas why my armor items provide the stats for every position?

I think I figured it

Yep, I was dumb

[severe crystal]

oh my

[mossy hollow]

Ars Caelum 1.21: https://github.com/baileyholl/ars-caelum/pull/8

[hallow owl]

Regarding CurseMaven, if I want to use that to add Ars Elemental as a dependency, what am I doing wrong? I am able to specify it and it seems to download the package:

implementation fg.deobf("curse.maven:ars_elemental-561470:5609198")

But I can't import from it in java classes, says the import cannot be resolved for anything from Ars Elemental, e.g. alexthw.ars_elemental.registry.ModItems

[mossy hollow]

That looks right to me, make sure the class is named that in the version you're using

modImplementation "curse.maven:ars-elemental-561470:5609198"

Ah try ars-elemental?

Where is your import failing?

[hallow owl]

Huhmmm... I tried with ars-elemental instead, no dice. Cursemaven mentions that the <descriptor> (in this case ars-elemental/ars_elemental) "Can be anything you want." I did not get how this then affects imports but don't have that much java dependency experience 🤔

The import is failing in a datagen class I'm writing, it fails both to resolve it in the IDE but also if I try to compile it will say *package ModItems does not exist *

oh wait, modImplementation, not implementation? let me try that

[mossy hollow]

I use modImplementation because I use Archloom, not Forge Gradle

[hallow owl]

Ah okay gotcha, was wondering what this missing method was. Is that more powerful or better than Forge Gradle?

[mossy hollow]

I prefer it to Forge Gradle, but that's also because I come from a Fabric background, and Fabric uses loom

I wouldn't recommend switching to it because ModDevGradle in 1.21 is nicer in all aspects

[hallow owl]

Got it. I'd consider it for the next time then. This first mod is a mess using a mix of MCreator and VSCode, really need to just do it with IntelliJ and leave MCreator out of the picture next time 😅

Anyway I will poke around some more to see why this is not working

[mossy hollow]

I'd recommend importing the project into IntelliJ 100%, I couldn't do mod dev in VSCode, even though that's my daily editor

[hallow owl]

Yeah I don't know why I'm being so reluctant. I went through this pain before with a Quarkus project. I guess I just realllly want it to work, but it's not a fight worth fighting anymore

[zealous zenith]

your branch says it has conflicting files

[rocky grail]

yeah ive given up on using neovim for java/kotlin

no good lsp for it

[neat mango]

jdtls for java is decent. requires a lot of configuration though

good kotlin lsp doesn't exist yet

[mossy hollow]

If you set it to new branch I'll rebase it later

[radiant depot]

VSC probably don't even support modding gradle

you probably had to refresh gradle after pasting the implementation string from curse

[hallow owl]

Praise whoever made this a possibility. And by the way, switching to IDEA instantly solved the import issues.

[zealous zenith]

It’s pointing to the new 1.21 one

[mossy hollow]

I just had a frustrating bug in Additions where I get the ISpellCaster of a stack to check if it has a spell, which creates a tag on the stack if it doesn't exist

so it's got empty NBT, which then doesn't match the items in the Storage Lectern

[zealous zenith]

you shouldn't call getOrCreate, unless you are using an ars method which should also not be doing that lol

[radiant depot]

Call hasTag then getOrCreate

Or directly get + null check

Or blame Bailey if you find the method making the tag

I recall something, but not sure if it was related at all

Like that the checks were making few assumptions on the item checked...

[mossy hollow]

Yeah it's Ars doing it

SpellCaster does it in the constructor

Which is called in CasterUtil.getCaster

[hallow owl]

Is it a lot of work to convert a mod from 1.20 to 1.21, or it depends?

[neat mango]

Yes. depends on the scale of the mod

consider it a full rewrite

[radiant depot]

Depends on what you touch

Most of the work is using IDE 's find and replace in files

To account for neoforge changes

As you ask for your add-on, it would be likely just that, plus few little adjustments

Most complicated thing for a beginning might actually be replace the build.gradle

[mossy hollow]

Armor is one of the nicer things currently, not a huge amount of changes between 1.20.1 and 1.21

[severe crystal]

what im hearing is start in 1.21

[mossy hollow]

If you want to see a small armor mod for 1.20.1 and 1.21 to compare changes, check out All-The-Arcanist-Gear

https://github.com/Jarva/All-The-Arcanist-Gear

[hallow owl]

That I won't do as I want to play this on 1.20.1, but I would also want to port to 1.21 after it's not in alpha anymore

[hallow owl]

Thanks, I will have a look with fresh eyes tomorrow!

[neat mango]

neoforge maintains primers over on their github. always a good reference when porting (pinned message)

[hallow owl]

I had not really been aware of the whole NeoForge situation but I read up on it now, looks like Forge will be a thing of the past then

[mossy hollow]

Definitely

[rocky grail]

i dont think ive heard of any mods sticking to forge

[unreal summit]

Well there are some that just aren’t planning on porting forward at all, but that always happens to a few with major version switches.

[hallow owl]

Is there something special in Minecraft that will prevent Item Entities from being moved every tick? I'm trying to implement something that will setDeltaMovement on item entities for a duration.
For the first 20 ticks it seems to work fine, but after that, it only moves to the expected position every 20 ticks, basically teleporting every second.

[mossy hollow]

Yeah, check the source code for gravity well in Elemental

Or the decoy mob jar behaviour

[hallow owl]

I just needed to check if code was being executed on client or server side, rookie mistake

[radiant depot]

There is a movement speed update thing in entities registration, defaults to 20

To force the update, there is a different method based on whether the movement is changed server side or clientside

[hallow owl]

Will onResolveBlock only ever give me the server world, or is there something I can do to get the client world in this scope?
I'm spawning an entity that will also need the client world in order to spawn particles for items it affects.
I guess I can do it another way but it's tricky because I'm trying to re-use classes from Create.

[mossy hollow]

You can spawn particles from the server by sending packets

[hallow owl]

I didn't want to go there as it will make implementing harder (can't reuse as much logic) but I think that's the only way. Thanks for the sanity check

[radiant depot]

Wasn't there a way to spawn particles from the server?

Like level.sendParticles?

[gleaming fox]

^

[mossy hollow]

Yeah that can be done

[zealous zenith]

yes but that only lets you spawn them with random motion typically

[hallow owl]

Do you have a good recommendation for resources to understand things better? The Forge documentation kind of sucks and almost never answers my questions. LLM's help a bit but they hallucinate and cough up dated code. Googling things for Minecraft is very difficult, you mostly get players asking game-related questions instead of dev-related questions.

Specifically I'm trying to reuse the existing particle sprite set for DUST but I don't see any way to get sprite sets looking here, I only see that I can create new Sprite Sets... just trying not to reinvent the bowl too much.

Side-note I'm looking forward to switching to NeoForge, the docs look a lot better there.

[gleaming fox]

https://github.com/clcment446/ars-trinkets/blob/a30e52653053c05e20a36f8d5ed433bd338b64f1/src/main/java/com/c446/ars_trinkets/glyphs/effect_glyph/GiantStrength.java#L54

in case you want to summon a dust particle

[hallow owl]

Not entirely sure I follow there?
I'm trying to create my own particle because I want to manipulate the velocity of it every tick to create a spiral-like effect. Dust particle is an example here, I mean to ask how to create a custom particle that reuses textures from existing particles.

[gleaming fox]

hmm

[radiant depot]

Ah, particles are a bit of a pita to make from scratch

[gleaming fox]

same here ;-;

[radiant depot]

You need the sprite, then a json to specify the spriteset

Then register the particletype, which also requires two classes

You can look at elemental for venom particle and spark particle

[hallow owl]

Alright, heck. Thanks again, I will have a look in elemental and/or nouveau, I think I'm forced to just copy-pasting the sprite sheet in that case. Dang it, Minecraft.

[radiant depot]

It's not complex but it's a bit undocumented

Maybe there is a video from kaupen on them?

The channel from the pinned playlist, there is a playlist for newer versions

Weird, there is not one specifically on them.

Updated the links at least

https://forge.gemwire.uk/wiki/Particles

Can't recall the changes on particles from 1.19 to 1.20

That guide is for 1.19

[hallow owl]

Pita was the perfect analogy but these floating falafals are now finally working and spiraling beautifully

[rocky grail]

DelayedSpellEvent doesnt seem to like /tick freeze very much

[rocky grail]

seems hard to fix

@Mixin(EventQueue.class)
public class EventQueueMixin {
    @Inject(method = "serverTick", at = @At("HEAD"), cancellable = true)
    private static void serverTick(ServerTickEvent.Post e, CallbackInfo ci) {
        var trm = e.getServer().tickRateManager();
        if (trm.isFrozen() && !trm.isSteppingForward() && !trm.isSprinting()) {
            ci.cancel();
        }
    }
}```

 works doesnt work for `/tick step`/`/tick step 1`

but alternatively you can use /tick sprint 1

the problem is most likely that its called after the tick

the tick function there decrements frozenTicksToRun from 1 to 0 before we see it in ServerTickEvent.Post

which means we dont observe the stepped tick at all

client also has this info through level if im not wrong, but im focusing on server for now

import com.hollingsworth.arsnouveau.api.event.EventQueue;
import net.neoforged.bus.api.SubscribeEvent;
import net.neoforged.neoforge.event.tick.ServerTickEvent;
import org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.Mixin;
import org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.Unique;
import org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.injection.At;
import org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.injection.Inject;
import org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.injection.callback.CallbackInfo;

@Mixin(EventQueue.class)
public class EventQueueMixin {
    @Unique
    private static boolean ars_controle$stepping = false;

    @Inject(method = "serverTick", at = @At("HEAD"), cancellable = true)
    private static void serverTick(ServerTickEvent.Post e, CallbackInfo ci) {
        var trm = e.getServer().tickRateManager();
        if (trm.isFrozen() && !ars_controle$stepping && !trm.isSprinting()) {
            ci.cancel();
        }
    }

    @Unique
    @SubscribeEvent
    private static void ars_controle$onServerTickPre(ServerTickEvent.Pre e) {
        ars_controle$stepping = e.getServer().tickRateManager().isSteppingForward();
    }
}
``` this works

very uh

questionable

but thats because its a mixin

belongs in the main mod ofc

working on putting it base

tbh i feel like this should be handled by neoforge

not mods downstream

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[radiant depot]

you could ask them why it isn't

[rocky grail]

i mean it could be useful for mods that want to interact with a frozen world ig

[zealous zenith]

what is tick freeze supposed to do?

you can't just freeze the entire server tick thread, you wouldnt be able to even issue a command

[rocky grail]

stops the world, but allows the player to move and interact with it

entities freeze