👑wasteland-king

[paper ice]

But yes, it’s easy to talk when Valhalla would have the back .. Infi93-Alex&Annie is shooter spec I guess, kaio is fighter so I hope you know what thats means..

[keen nexus]

Don’t get upset man, I already said 49 is strong.

But we would give you a fight

[paper ice]

I‘m neither in S49, nor in S19 or anything so I‘m just a spectator.. I can only say that S19 is not far away from S49/S60/S75.. but we will see in the future what will happen.. within a month all high players can be in one state and other states won’t stand a chance 😅

[keen nexus]

S19 is definitely a powerhouse. But I think 130 would stand their own if matched up. I don’t think we would take their hub…yet.

[paper ice]

That’s what I meant: saving the own zenith is „easier“ than holding the own and occupy another one.. we had S49 in our matchup last zenith - it’s impossible (without spendings k’s of dollars to get a zenith back against Alex, Stealyourgirl, LegoMatt and so on..

[keen nexus]

Yea it would be a challenge like I said above.

49, 60, 75 would have a chance to take our hub. I think we would stand our own against everyone else

I think it will become more challenging for the lower servers as the game matures. There are a lot of strong players in the 200s. As those servers grow, it will just bring more challengers to the older servers. That and the older servers will lose people as they quit the game.

The evolution of strength will trend upward

[paper ice]

That’s true.. we saw how fast Andrew went big within a few weeks - there will be much more guys out there that have too much money 😂

[keen nexus]

So true

[white totem]

Oh damn I'm not on the list😂

@white totem

[paper ice]

Sorry for that ✌🏻

[sharp coyote]

You are included in the „so on“, I‘m sure. Right @paper ice ?

[paper ice]

For sure!

It’s like a soccer team: you only know the „star players/goalie“ but of course the whole team is important for the result 😛

[sharp coyote]

To me @white totem is a star player😉

[paper ice]

I don’t know her well but if she likes Pandas she‘s a friend

[white totem]

Damn that was so smooth

[white totem]

I love pandas

I look like one now

[paper ice]

Jackpot!

[sharp coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/smooth-all-over-modern-family-phil-dunphy-ty-burrell-gif-4681901

[white totem]

Wtf I can't put GIFs @sharp coyote

https://tenor.com/view/sad-baby-frown-cry-tantrums-gif-4649018

😭

[sharp coyote]

Did @quartz flame lock players out of posting GIFs again?😱

[paper ice]

https://tenor.com/view/shy-sad-panda-gif-10868331

😮

[white totem]

She hates our GIFs damn

[sharp coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-special-i-feel-special-mr-bean-feels-special-feeling-special-gif-15396150

[white totem]

So rude

I can't use GIFs like in no chanell now?😳

[wintry pecan]

Aw, man! I wouldn't have even realized that you weren't able to post GIFs, because I hate them too, so I have them turned off in my personal Discord view. Ha! I'll check in with the Mod crew and see if this was intentional...

[white totem]

Lolol first time ever I tried to post gif here and it didn't allow me . So sad . @sharp coyote can do them all😭

[flint ravine]

its a conspiracy. c-o-n spiracy

[last mica]

I can't do them either 😔

[brisk flare]

Hello all. Would anyone know if the state was taken over by another state during WK, would the foreign state be able to change the immigration rule?

[quartz flame]

The person with the most might in the state will get that power

[stuck torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/lora-lora-cm-loradavid-angrylora-gif-20821202

[brisk flare]

Thanks Akari

[languid lion]

Hi. How long before first wasteland king do you find out who you are grouped with?

[sharp coyote]

0 seconds before

[languid lion]

Really? It’s been that long since I did a first wasteland that I don’t remember that.

[sharp coyote]

It’s the same for every consecutive wasteland though

[languid lion]

I’m must be going doolally. We’re trying to get rid of a dictator alliance.

[river cape]

All I can suggest is waiting till you know who you’re up against, then nominate a diplomat to speak to the either states. Hopefully you’ll find one who will listen and will be all about karmic balance, lol. Good luck!

[languid lion]

They just attacked my alliance. Any big states want to send a few huge players over to eliminate them?

[river cape]

We’re not big enough yet, but you can immigrate to a different state. PM me if you like for more info on my state.

[languid lion]

My alliance is 70 strong all active. I’ve thought about a migration. It will have to be the last straw at the moment. But I’m going to put it to them.

[river cape]

Ok. Luck to you then. I go by the same name in game, and my PM is always open!

[languid lion]

Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

[river cape]

You are very welcome.

[wintry pecan]

I'm responding to you, but this is a PSA for anyone who is planning to move an entire alliance out of state. But good luck to you. I hope that you can find a solution to your troubles.

When your alliance makes a decision to move states, it becomes ever more important to stress folks donating to Alliance Tech (even though you can't take it with you), so that they can get Alliance Coins to buy the flights they need without spending as much money. Depending on how much coin your alliance has saved up for the shop, it may be a good idea to have members visit other sympathetic alliances to actually make the purchases, because flights are the most expensive thing on the shelves, so you'll deplete your coins faster than you can imagine.

You'll also want to check and share the chart for tickets that is pinned to #💡help・hints and encourage anyone on a upgrade cusp that will raise their flight need to keep an eye on it so that they don't save for one hq, but need to fly with another.

Getting your folks the flights is only one of many things to plan around when jumping states with an alliance, but it's important. Good luck!

[sharp coyote]

The alliance gets the same amount of coins for stocking the shop as the alliance members gather coins for buying though. So as long as R5/4 stop stocking anything but immigration flights there should be no need to get the flights from another alliance…

[broken stag]

How do the wasteland Matchups work? For example states conquered there's 3 states at 9 a few at 8 a few at 7 and so on. Are those how Matchups are usually done

[ionic geode]

No one knows for sure but that's definately one of the biggest factors. State power matters but the biggest factors seem to be history ranking plus how many hubs you took last wasteland. If you take another hub you are likely to be matched with a state close to you in rankings that also took a hub

[leaden yarrow]

What ever happened. Which state are you in ? That would never happen here. We have a strong nap and the governor would burn anyone who breaks it

[languid lion]

273. We are run by a big alliance - well for our fairly new state. And they run it like a dictatorship and burn anyone who disagrees. The governor is the leader of this alliance and is rarely seen. My hope is they fracture soon.

[languid lion]

How do you see where your state is in rankings?

[sharp coyote]

Event Center->Upcoming->Wasteland King->leaderboard->past->states captured (or any other leaderboard you’re interested in)

[languid lion]

Ah. We’ve not had our first Wasteland yet.

[sharp coyote]

In that case your state is at the bottom of the Rankings 😂

[languid lion]

😂 hey we’re just new haha. So is there any way of figuring out who might be paired with?

[sharp coyote]

For your first wasteland king you‘ll be matched with others doing it for the first time. So it‘ll be states in your vicinity

[languid lion]

Ah. That makes sense. Thank you.

[stiff sequoia]

Do loyalty boxes carry over? For next SvS?

[sharp coyote]

No

[wintry pecan]

This is true but we can’t stop members from wanting to buy gear and VIP points even though all we want to stock are immigration flights. Not everyone will need to buy them this way, so I was just presenting an option if the alliance found they were running out really quickly.

[simple basin]

I cant login.. stuck on loading page even after trying fix game

[wheat raptor]

This this what the developers call balanced matchmaking? This is the 3rd wasteland in a row state 206 has been matched with at least one state below 35. These developers are ass.

[wild fractal]

@bitter roostS Fix this crap. Your match making system is terrible how do you expect a state 4-5months old to battle states that been around for a year.

You would think after a month and a half you would be able to get some progress.

I’ll expect to be facing states in the 300s the next few weeks. Since your system thinks that’s how balance works.

[keen nexus]

How many states has 206 conquered ?

[warm olive]

Sorry to interrupt the flow but changing captains for towers- why is this such a fiddly process??? It’s not letting us do it.

We tried biggest March and super rein- won’t let us. Does it have to be the militarist only?

[wild fractal]

206 has never taken another states hub. We haven’t won a wasteland in over 6 weeks

Yet we keep getting paired with states 3-4x stronger than us

Our top 10 players typically equal 2 of their players in might lol. It’s a joke

[keen nexus]

Yea that seems off then gambler.

Militarist overseer or leader can change captains meow

[toxic spoke]

Zero

[pallid timber]

Just for info. Don’t Accept NAPs with 212 they ignore them.

[pallid timber]

You are misinterpreting the purpose of the matching system. If the biggest servers were matched against each other sometimes they would lose. This is not good for the developers as they might well spend less money. So they are kept apart and they end up against you. Which is fun for them and they think ‘what a good game’ and spend a few hundred more. You don’t have so much fun but you’re not spending so much so the developers don’t give a rats backside for you.

[wheat raptor]

That sound like their logic but i can guarantee u our state has spent tens of thousands on this game.

Our biggest guy just dropped 2k this week alone

[pallid timber]

I apologise for my assumption. Shouldn’t judge everyone by myself 😀
However the matching system definitely isn’t designed to give ‘fair’ matches.
Our effort today was against some 4000% attack t11s. This was never going to go well. They did have a nap against but broke it when they had enough players on.

@hollow prism what is the games objective in matching servers for Wasteland wars? Do you aim for balance ? Do you take into account a servers previous Wasteland performances?
Not trying to game it just understand it 😀

[wheat raptor]

@pallid timber

This is state 23’s top guy

[pallid timber]

Yep only going to go one way .

[spiral root]

Does anyone know if the occupation points change according to the number of troops sent?

@hollow prism

[quartz flame]

No, you can send 1 and get the same points

[spiral root]

Thank you!!

[sharp coyote]

Are you sure? It works that way for reservoir, but not for Wasteland King IIRC

[quartz flame]

We let lower people send one for points, never was an issue

I can text it next time with my farm

[sharp coyote]

We never had anybody able to complete all phases for occupation with just 1 troop in anything

[olive dew]

Yep jay just showed up in 101 and we didn’t have a chance 400k of his troops knocked us out of hub that we had 2mil in a few T11 and rest T10 absolutely zero chance

[wheat raptor]

See this shit is stupid.

[olive dew]

All I can say is save what troops you have left it’s not worth killing them all have 0 chance all I will say is VC is going to be fun make sure you shield up going to be a bloodbath

[crisp brook]

Anyone having trouble appointing a gov?

Saying unoccupied and won’t let anyone appoint anything

[wheat raptor]

Yep this is the 3rd wasteland and valiant like this for us lol

[olive dew]

Ouch I feel for ya, we have been lucky lately matched up to some nice states but this one we are definitely out matched

[hearty igloo]

The R5 of our governing alliance was not issued GOV title someone else was how can you change that before the first two hours is up

[crisp brook]

We are having the same issue except it won’t let us appoint a gov at all

[hearty igloo]

So the games glitching again

[crisp brook]

Yep! Badly. We can’t appoint anybody anything and our new gov can’t appoint even as R5 and the R5 before him wasn’t able to either

[hearty igloo]

Oh wow

[crisp brook]

So we are leaving him at R5 for it to auto assign

[hearty igloo]

What state are you in

[crisp brook]

But it’s not letting anyone do anything it says our hub is unoccupied

131

[hearty igloo]

That's crazy. Ours will let you appoint but decided to give GOV to someone else. Instead of the selected GOV

[crisp brook]

That’s terrible I know when I was R5 I could appoint gov. I wasn’t auto made gov tho… I wonder if they’ve changed something

[sharp coyote]

Do you have a screenshot of the first R5 trying to appoint (or rather not having the option show up) to help CS investigate? I‘m not sure if switching R5 after successfully claiming your hub is a good idea and what that does to appointing and auto-appoint, but I would love to hear from you how it all pans out…

[sharp coyote]

You should be able to appoint in the 2h after securing your hub, if you didn’t appoint someone by then you get auto-appointed

[crisp brook]

Yes we have a screenshot, we have all tried it the R5 has been past around, the + symbols are there but nothing happens when we tap. We have had the hub for 30 mins now and still nothing, no one could do it. The original R5 of the alliance wasn’t able to hence why he passed on R5 for someone else to try. We have taken some screenshots. Will let you know how it goes.

[keen nexus]

I was able to appoint immediately after securing hub. Doesn’t sound like a game issue

Might be something on your server

[crisp brook]

Hmmm could it be that the R5 at the time was in another state?

It’s still not allowing anyone to be appointed as anything

[keen nexus]

@quartz flame we tested it before. 1 troop isn’t enough to get full points within 8 hours. 30k troops gets it within about 5 hours. Some towers seem to gain points faster than others also. Very weird

No I appointed gov from another state

[crisp brook]

Ok, no idea then

[keen nexus]

Did they click the pop up on the bottom right or are they clicking hub ?

[crisp brook]

I don’t know what the the R5 at the time did, but others after have tried the hub, when I was R5 and had to appoint the gov, all I did was tap hub tap the gov and appoint him… so not sure what’s different now

[keen nexus]

I had a pop up next to the other ones in bottom right. Maybe check that

[crisp brook]

They don’t have anything there just the normal ones for today

[keen nexus]

Even the original r5? Can they post a screenshot ?

[crisp brook]

I’ll ask for one

[hearty igloo]

The person the game gave the hub to wasn't even in a R5 spot . Now this person is leaving state who will the Gov position go to

[sharp coyote]

Nobody. You‘ll be governorless for two weeks. Make sure they appoint the other titles and hand out all the boxes before they leave the state

[hearty igloo]

We tried it doesn't let you for some reason

[sharp coyote]

And maybe even start all the decrees too. Better to start them now than never

[hearty igloo]

Thank you

[crisp brook]

Yup the game has given Gov to someone else too

[sharp coyote]

None of the multiple R5?

[crisp brook]

Yes the original R5 of the alliance we are all in for WLK - he wasn’t able to change it when we secured hub and the game has given him gov role even tho he wasn’t in R5 at the time

[sharp coyote]

But was he R5 at the moment you won your hub?

[crisp brook]

Yes

But I was R5 at the moment we won our hub before and it gave me the option to appoint a gov I wasn’t given it automatically

[hearty igloo]

That's what happened with AkJaki she was the R5 and they gave it to someone else

And then wouldn't let them change it

[crisp brook]

Yup so annoying it’s never been an issue before 🙄

The person in gov spot now will do a good job, hoping the gov we elected this time will get it next time x

[rough aspen]

hey guys

i have a question

what happen to state titles and boxes after you loose your state ??

can other state who conquered us distribute boxes and give us state titles??

and can you tell how the matching system works??

our state highest is hq 32 and continuously we are being matched against states which has hq 35. last two times it was state 14

And now state 256 . 4 hq 35 players came and took over zenith. How is this game expect to play against hq 35 players with just few strong players in state

[summer sandal]

They can not give your state the titles or distribute boxes or appoint a governor or use boosts.

Fast Comeback will automatically start that will be the only state boost that occurs

#💭closed-game-suggestions to see what others have said about the matching.

[flint ravine]

the conquering state gets your boxes to hand out for themself. you will receive no titles for the 2 weeks or any decrees

They can not even give you the boxes if they wanted to can only give them to your own state

[summer sandal]

This sorry my wording was not the best

[rough aspen]

okay thanks

and anyone know how does matching works

because i find no logical reason matching states with hq 35 with states who even don't have 1 hq 35

That'd doesn't even give chance to fight back

[summer sandal]

#💭closed-game-suggestions to see what others are saying about matching.

But it is basically calculated by how many hubs your state has taken. Well maybe.

[tight wind]

Can I attack those gathering in mud during wasteland even if outcome has been decided?/

[flint ravine]

Yes if the hub is locked that does not end the event. You can still relocate to enemy states and hit people in the Wasteland on rss tiles, sanctuaries and tiles occupied

[urban geyser]

How does wasteland war matching works? Can control who is our opponent?

[pallid timber]

The developers and mods studiously avoid answering any questions about wasteland war matching. It’s one of the game areas that is apparently off limit to discussion or support.

[sharp coyote]

Umm, there’s lots of discussion about it… the mods don’t know more than many other players though. We know the number of hubs taken in the past are a huge part of it. And the developers know that many players are unsatisfied with the way it is now, while it works good for lots of other states. So changing how it works needs to be planned and tested thoroughly or else you make more people unhappy than before…

Just take a look at the #💭closed-game-suggestions channel if you think there’s no discussion about it

[pallid timber]

You answered my point you don’t answer questions about it 🙂 albeit because you don’t know! However it would seem obvious to publish the criteria definitively. That way everyone would know what was going on and then have a informed discussion about it.
Having a discussion when the most important points are kept secret doesn’t help the mods developers and the players.

[sharp coyote]

I‘m nothing but a player myself, you do know that right?

[pallid timber]

Yep dm’d you about that. I may be under a misconception here and if I am I apologise in advance.
Is part of your role to convey players views and concerns to the company?

[sharp coyote]

Repeat after me: Qjuh is just a player, he has no affiliation with 37GAMES whatsoever.

[pallid timber]

Can you answer my previous question please? If your role is not to convey information and views to the company then fine your in the dark with the rest of us.
If part of your role is to convey players views then expressing those views is not a criticism of you but something that you may pass on.

Else I just ignore the mod bit and treat you like any other player.

[sharp coyote]

I answered your question. I am neither a mod nor anything else, I am just a player with the „mellow yellow“ role, which means nothing more than that my name is yellow.

[paper ice]

😂😂

[winged peak]

😂 😂

@pallid timber where did u get the idea they was a mod from Qjuh quite clearly stated they are a player

[pallid timber]

Sorry I have Asperger’s so roles can be a bit tricky. 😀 so after all that then I’m fine. However re reading my original post I’m still happy with it.
Would you be happy with details of the wasteland matching algorithm being made public rather than secret.

[sharp coyote]

Sure👍

[pallid timber]

See after all that we agree. And I now know you are a player not a mod! A good end!!

Good news I think I’ve found a mod in discussion so raised the point there.

[white totem]

Hi Shayal, the mod team aren’t privy to algorithms the developers have for wasteland either - we simply moderate this PNS discord server and pass on any suggestions, complaints, bug reports and so forth. We are also players like yourself.

[granite kiln]

I have a comment on where those suggestions, complaints, bug reports and so forth really go after they collected it, but it's rude to say it.

[river cape]

Lmao at myself!
I thought you were a mod as well! Maybe I need to read names a little more carefully since the mods’ names DO have pns mod affixed to them! Shaking my head.

[river cape]

@wintry pecan

[wintry pecan]

Would you all think that this is an unfair matchup at first glance?

Based on the state numbers. Cuz it seems that many of you are looking at that.

[river cape]

With 28 being the oldest, and 207 the newest? Yes.

[flint ravine]

I look at the people in the state before making that assumption but on the average most likely 28 doesn't belong

[wintry pecan]

This right here is 185’s biggest player. Triple-red-starred in every single thing: chips, mods, etc. FOUR Apex weapons enhanced to crazy levels. I just put this here to illustrate that there can be players of all levels in all kinds of states, even new(er) ones.

That is why in this case 185 has 207’s hub. 207 put up a good fight, but the aftermath of that, having lost so many troops and rebuilding made more difficult by having no boosts saddens me to think about.

I always wished that when your hub was taken, the gov had the option of being a “good” gov and assigning titles and roles to players in that state still and being able to give boxes and boosts. Like, they could choose to be a despot or not. I’m just too soft for this sometimes…

[flint ravine]

Bikini is a big one she is :)

[sharp coyote]

But they aren’t governor of the occupied state. They just raided the hub and ran away with the boxes 😉

[wintry pecan]

Okay when you put it that way…

[wintry pecan]

Ah yes. You are familiar.

[flint ravine]

On the average older states have higher legel players but of course this doesn't always hold true. They will almost always have a lot more depth which is important but let's face it monsters win events in this game. And those are hard to account for in any system.

[wheat raptor]

@wintry pecan I understand there can be but other than akira from 203 who has spend damn near $100,000 on this game who in state 200 and above is anywhere near a billion might?

States in the 200-300 range should not be matched with states that have been around for months longer.

[flint ravine]

And by higher levels its not just about 'might'. Older states have better heroes on the average, etc. Just stuff they got over time through events and effort etc even without spending

[sharp coyote]

Because every older state has players in the 1b range?

[wheat raptor]

Lol they are much closer to that than the higher states

State 206 highest player just hit 300 million this week.

The dude from state 23 who took our hub yesterday was at 980 million

Thats higher than the top 3 in our state combined. I dont understand how anyone could think thats a fair matchup.

[flint ravine]

In my last state the first few WL wars were all around our age. We made the mistake of taking one and the next were matched up with 2 states that 6 and 7 months old when we were not even 3 months old. We had 0 level 35 HQ they both had quite a few. The state that took us over too had a couple of nice guys who made accounts in our state and would log in daily reminding us to 'collect their taxes for them' etc. LOL I thought it was funny but I personally don't brag on winning against teams that you are overwhelmingly superior to...that is pretty pathetic.
It was the most rediculous matchup I've seen lol. How were we supposed to know taking one state of similar age level meant you were thrust into that a new players?

[wheat raptor]

Exactly but ill say it once more for everyone… state 206 has never, ever taken another states hub. And this is the 3rd matchup we have had a state lower than 35 we got paired with.

[flint ravine]

Well clearly just hypothesizing since we are in the dark with a lot of things but with the older states again on the average they are going to be less populated. That is just the nature of games, people fall off, stop playing, etc. Not even just stop playing completely but more part time compared to when the game is fresher and newer. So if the game at least partially uses a system that takes the total might of players that are active then a newer very active state could be matched up against an old one.

The problem with this system is total might in a state doesnt really win Wasteland War. It's the big players. Those are the ones we see and look at in a matchup (for WL, Res War, whatever). And I'm just not sure they are taking that into consideration into their formula.

[wheat raptor]

Ur absolutely right cuz not everyone in the state participates in wasteland. Its the same situation with Reservoir wars. We face a lot of alliance with the same total might but 30 less players.

And the bigs in a state have the stats.

[final barn]

Let’s be honest. Outside of that one player they are not that strong of a state. One player can’t control and keep all 3 states. 🤷‍♂️

[wintry pecan]

So that’s true. It is just one player, but my point was just to illustrate that the matchmaking of newer and older states is not always unbalanced as some tend to argue in this channel that it is.

[final barn]

I agree. It’s not unfair or unbalanced

[pallid timber]

It would be interesting to see how many states arrange Naps for Wasteland. I suspect a large number prefer not to play wars if they can avoid it.

Another way to rate states is to use the total amount of money spent in that state by the current players . The money spent after all appears to be the biggest factor in determining the winner of a wasteland war.

[pallid timber]

You can’t say the matches are balanced or unbalanced unless you have a metric for what balance is.
So what would you regard as a balanced match?

[granite kiln]

The top 58 states have - ever - conquered 3 or more states. The ranks 58-98 conquered 2. 287 states are open for migration, 267 is the youngest state without a governor, conquered by 274. I believe it's fair to say that 2/3 of states avoid the war aspect or at least are not trying to conquer states, which only a very few selected states do. This is probably largely because getting conquered sucks, especially for new states where the state-boosts and titles really matter. And losing ~20% of your troops with every attack for good sucks even more. Plus you risk getting in the big-boy-pool of states that actually want to fight, and most people would avoid that

[sharp coyote]

I‘d say there are more states that try to conquer, you only list those that were successful in doing so😉

[river cape]

S187 has an awesome state diplomat! Except for the one where she was on vacation, and this last one where diplomacy didn’t seem to matter to the other state, we’ve had NAP for every one since she came onboard!

[wanton shoal]

Quick question guys. Can a governor pass his title to someone after Wasteland war ended for a day?

Quick question guys. Can a governor pass his title to someone after Wasteland war ended for a day?

[keen nexus]

nope

[wintry pecan]

You are right, numbers talk, and numbers (I don't know what numbers) are making the calls for matching these states. I really wasn't attempting to address whether or not the matchups were balanced overall, but just showing that age of state shouldn't be relied upon so heavily to indicate an imbalanced matchup. I am hoping to understand more about how the matchmaking is done myself.

[wintry pecan]

Yes, I have found that the costs involved have tended to color many alliance's calculations when deciding whether or not to NAP, with many deciding that taking another state is just not worth it. With as many players as there are, there are many ways the game is played, and some will want to kill their troops or fight other states no matter what, but there are plenty who would prefer not to have to expend the time and resource (or $) cost to heal and rebuild troops for the amount of reward gained.

[pallid timber]

It is a shame that we all have to put in effort into game analysis when this information should be freely available. You could spend more time supporting players and the players could enjoy it more if we didn’t have to play a guessing game every time a question involving game mechanics appeared.

[pallid timber]

Again this throws up an issue where servers are made to play the game in a,to them, unenjoyable and unwanted way because their opponents are strong enough to bully them into doing so.

[wintry pecan]

I agree with you wholeheartedly and we're working on that, actually. So I am hoping that these conversations get easier and more informative in the not-too-distant future.

[wintry pecan]

No matchmaking system will ever be perfect, but I am hoping that we can get to a point where players will feel those imperfections a lot less.

[pallid timber]

And informed players are more likely to understand and accept what ever the system is.

[wintry pecan]

Yessss! And not begrudgingly so!

[white totem]

Not true. We have won against much stronger states…. Just this weekend we took s208 and kept s28 out and the have over 15 hq35’s…. We have 1

[white totem]

I can definitely say they are unbalanced. Unfortunately the “numbers” seem to also group you based on how many other states you have taken. My state has taken at least one other every war so we get matched against states that GREATLY overpower ours

[flint ravine]

'Overpowering' is generally based on how big your biggest are. What is the might of that one 35 you do have.

[sharp coyote]

Umm, you just said you won against them, so how can you be overpowered?🤔

[white totem]

We only won because we got to 208 first so it bubbled our hub so we just had to protect that one. We just had to keep swapping reinforcements between attacks so they didn’t kick us out. They didn’t coordinate well. All single attacks. If they were smart and rallied they would have kicked us out

[sharp coyote]

Sounds like you‘re the stronger state then 🤷‍♂️ strength doesn’t equal might here

[white totem]

CrunchyLikeGranola

このはここに185の最大のプレーヤーです。 すべてのものでトリプルレッドスターレッド：チップ、モッズなど 4つのApex武器がクレイジーレベルに強化されました。 私はちょうどここに置かれたばかりで、あらゆる種類の州ですべてのレベルのプレーヤーがあることを示しています。

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[sharp coyote]

How come S208 has a governor and isn’t occupied if you took it?

Could it be you‘re talking about S207 here? In that case your „only 35“ has almost double the might of their strongest 35, so I wouldn’t call you overpowered here

But maybe I should ask @wintry pecan if I want to know more about that fight in particular 😉

[white totem]

No. 208 and 28. I’m in 185

208 wasn’t bad. They only had 1 35. 28 is the one packed full of them. At least 15 and at least 4 of them almost 1B might

[wintry pecan]

Haha, yes. It was indeed 207 that was matched with 185 and 28. But this is yet another example of how it is really difficult to match states with whatever the data is! From what I understand, 28 tried a few times to knock 185 out of that hub and came back with blank battle logs every time, completely wiped. So maybe there are cases where a single really really really big player can make a difference?

[sharp coyote]

Might be a good idea to Check your information, it’s clearly visible to everyone that S207 fought with S28 and S185 this time, as well that S208 isn’t occupied by anyone.

[keen nexus]

208 was matched with 4 and 63

[white totem]

Ok so I had a blonde moment. I keep thinking 208 for some reason.

[keen nexus]

185 has taken 4 hubs now. Don’t be surprised if your even matched with 60 or 75.

of hubs taken is definitely added into the calculation

[keen nexus]

You might see us as well, we have 4

[white totem]

Yes we have. Almost 5 but someone who wasn’t asked to or authorized struck a nap during one wasteland……

[keen nexus]

Even with bikini on your side, it will be difficult against 60 and 75

[sharp coyote]

Or 49, maybe even 19 or 57.

[paper ice]

I think the amount of occupied zenith overall plays a big role in each Zenith .. we saw that when we were matched 2x with 49 🤦🏼‍♂️😂

Or when S16/S19 were matched several times because of the same amount of zeniths taken..

[sharp coyote]

I thought they liked meeting me every week 😎

It was at least four times in a row though

[paper ice]

I really enjoyed meeting you each SVS - I still smile when I remember when I stole your place in your hive 😂

That „Really?“ Message made my day 😂

[sharp coyote]

Yup that was funny😂 in hindsight at least

[keen nexus]

Save me a spot for valiant pando

[sharp coyote]

Just take his place 😉

[keen nexus]

Good idea

[paper ice]

Hahahaha Haze, I think we are equal in stats also 😂

[keen nexus]

Will be fun. Flex will probably be out for revenge

[paper ice]

If valhalla and Infi would stay away I would have a chance at least 😂 flex went mad last SVS too, he made rank 1 last time 😀

[paper ice]

Forgot Knight-Time

And BigMac..

Wth, how many big guys do you have in S130? 😂

[keen nexus]

We have a few lol

[paper ice]

I see… a match against S49 and S75 would be interesting to watch!

[pallid timber]

I am happy now. All I need to do is upgrade to HQ40 and train those t12s before next wasteland. Thanks for the help S37 😀

[wild fractal]

So we lost the last 3 wastelands wars. Our hub was taken. So I would think we would be placed in a bracket with some states in the 290s having their 2 or 3rd wastelands. I mean why not if we are facing states in the 30s after our inaugural 2 or 3 wastelands.

That’s pretty much what happened in 206. We had 2 or 3 normal wastelands then it’s baptized by fire for the past 6 weeks.

[quartz flame]

Message me, might be able to help

[white totem]

Didn't even lose bubble for me

[paper ice]

I never loose my bubble for anyone 🤷🏼‍♂️😘

[white totem]

I just wanted to play a lil bit. @sharp coyote played with me when we got matched lol

[paper ice]

I would have played with you alone but not with a 1 billion guy in the back 😉

[white totem]

But I hunt alone lol. None of 1b guys was with me

[broken stag]

Lol I'll take Andrew

[white totem]

I'll watch

[urban geyser]

I heard the old states can manipulate the matching to match with new states

[broken stag]

It'll be a fun watch no doubt

[broken stag]

I heard the new states have alot of greed thus reaping what they sew

[white totem]

If we all meet , go just straight to Andrew let me be 😂

[broken stag]

But but but 🥺🥺🥺

[white totem]

I love Bambam and Isabel . Don't hurt me😂

[sharp coyote]

Bambam? The farm account in S16?🤪

[broken stag]

I think you're being outrageous here, no one would ever hurt anyone 🤗

[white totem]

No , bambam in ABW😂

[white totem]

https://tenor.com/view/i-trust-you-trust-i-believe-in-you-believe-in-you-i-have-faith-in-you-gif-15179265

[broken stag]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-excited-surprised-gif-15699368

[wintry pecan]

Anyone in here know for sure if the State Training Boost stacks with a Training Boost from your bag? I thought it did, but I don't have the shots, so I'm not sure.

[white totem]

It did stack for me

[wintry pecan]

Thanks, Lora. I thought it did, but couldn't totally remember.

[broken stag]

Yes they stack

[white totem]

You're welcome

[wintry pecan]

@coral gazelle This would depend on the relative strength of the foothold captain’s stats. If the foothold captain can carry a mixed march with decent stats, those stats will carry to all in the hub/turret once it is super reinforced. A mixed march helps to counter any other mixed force that comes at you (rallies, for example). When a turret/hub are all the same type, they may look stronger initially but they are susceptible to single troop rallies that use a type to which they are weak.

Also, I will reiterate here that unless you are the captain, in a super reinforced hub or turret your stats have little to no bearing on the strength of your march. That is all dependent on the stats of the captain. Think of super reinforcement like once you have sent your troops off to be commanded by someone else they become blank slates. That commander’s orders and style are what will determine what kind of soldiers they will be when they are with him, not the training you have given them.

[sharp coyote]

To add to this: as long as the hub isn’t super reinforced your march would indeed be weaker. In fact it would be better to have full marches of only one type, but different types overall in the hub. Then it’s strong with super (if the captain has decent stats for all involved types) as well as without (assuming everyone send their focus type)

[wintry pecan]

This is an excellent point Qjuh. Thank you.

[tropic estuary]

If our HUB is shielded during WK because we took another states HUB and we left say a t8 in the HUB just so its not vacant would the towers attack our HUB if they were taken by the enemy?

[sharp coyote]

Yes

[tropic estuary]

Thank you

[sharp coyote]

@white totem you can ask wasteland king related questions over here.

[white totem]

Will wasteland-king events be transferred to new fields to fight? Or is it similar to an experimental station event?

[sharp coyote]

Wasteland King is like Zenith war but on top of your own Techhub you are paired with two other states and can also compete for theirs (and they can compete for yours).

[white totem]

What happens if the turret is taken away?

[white totem]

it will attack the center every few mins

[white totem]

What if you can bring that turret by attacking it again in a situation where you're on the line? I have one more question. What if I lose? No information and stuffy.

[white totem]

so sorry..

[sharp coyote]

The turret will fire every five minutes as long as they are occupied by another alliance than the hub is. They will stop firing as soon as the hub‘s alliance (re-)gains control over the turret

[river cape]

You can attack to take the turrets back. Just remember: if it’s another alliance within your state which takes back the turret, the turret WILL continue to fire on the hub, so it’s best if they take it and retreat so the hub alliance can regain it.

[sharp coyote]

And if you lose you won‘t have titles, reward boxes or decrees for two weeks. The other state gets your boxes additional to their own and they get the taxes you pay every time you transport rss or raid another sanctuary.

[river cape]

Congrats on getting the mod title :).
Question: is the tax amount the same for raiding and transporting?

[sharp coyote]

No it isn’t. For transporting it depends on the level of your trading post. For raiding it’s 30%

[river cape]

I just realized I should have clarified, lol. Is the tax the other state gets the same?

[white totem]

Can I ask how much I kick in taxes?

[sharp coyote]

Yes, they get what you lose.

[sharp coyote]

You pay taxes already. every time you transport rss a percentage of that is „lost“. It usually goes to the void but will go to the occupying state if you lose your hub. So you don’t lose anything by them getting taxes.

[river cape]

If you go to your trading post and try to transport to someone, it will tell you in the top right corner. The percentage depends on the level of your trading post. The higher your trading post level is (you can’t level it past what your you’re hq is), the less you pay, to a point.

[sharp coyote]

It only depends on your trading post, not on the recipients…

[river cape]

Hmmmm, ok. I’ll delete that part then.

[white totem]

Thanks for the answer!!!!

[river cape]

You’re welcome

[silent shard]

Total noob question that I should have asked ages ago but never considered… If I pop first aid and hop into a tower to defend… Does it cover that specific march for the duration of time I’m there or just the 30 minutes first aid says it lasts?

[flint ravine]

Great question not noob at all as all the march related boost and stuff need to be active before the match is sent. In my experience though it's based on the time-frame the battle took place however. I think that is because the First aid is just attached to 'when troops are damaged' and not to specific marches

[silent shard]

Definitely noob if you knew how long ago I should’ve pondered this 😂

[white totem]

Daddy Bill

Отличный вопрос не ручка, так как все марши, связанные с ускорением и прочее, должны быть активными, прежде чем матч будет отправлен. В моем опыте, хотя он основывается на временном рамке, однако битва произошла. Я думаю, что это потому, что первая помощь только что прикреплена к "когда войска повреждены" и не конкретные марши.

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[bitter jay]

@white totem

[pliant arch]

Why are wastelands match ups not announced? That's silly

[sharp coyote]

In my understanding: so you can’t prepare for a specific opponent and scan for places to port in etc before it actually starts.

[pliant arch]

Well thats actually specifically why it should be lol

It's a war game

All other games I've played always announced prior

Like 3 days

[sharp coyote]

It is yes. And the moment of surprise is a war tactic.

[pliant arch]

So is planning

Lol

[white totem]

You can plan your Valiant later.👀

[flint ravine]

Me too

[broken stag]

Congrats !! Shall we see you Tomorrow 👀

[white totem]

I hope not 👀

[broken stag]

😭😭😭😭😂

[white totem]

Nothing personal, just want to keep my troops next week👀

[high wraith]

For wasteland, your first matchup is usually against server's that opened around the same time as you, correct?

[sage spear]

Typically yes.

[high wraith]

Thank you

[white totem]

Good luck everyone in Wasteland wars! Have fun👀

[white totem]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-wait-baby-excited-gif-10989072

[fallen summit]

https://tenor.com/view/so-excited-baby-cute-adorable-bath-gif-15061321

[wispy haven]

quick question. if i port to another state in wasteland and I'm not inside the wasteland area can people from my state attack me?

[flint ravine]

Good luck in all your wars today everyone! Unless you are against 130 then may you burn burn burn baby burn. Ty

[ornate palm]

Can someone explain to me why car deaths are useful on wasteland?

I mean yeah you get the boost but it still costs resources to make new ones faster

[flint ravine]

people dont care about the cars and just make them for their daily quests. so they use them to get casualties in wasteland

[ornate palm]

👍

[white totem]

From your state yes, the enemies can't attack you!

[river cape]

Please! For the love of the game. Fix. The. LAG!
If I scroll any slower I won’t be moving at all!

[broken stag]

😭

[white totem]

Why u crying

[broken stag]

Wastelands is boring this week 😒

[white totem]

Because big Lora not there 😂😂 Who did you got?

[broken stag]

s19 and s57

[white totem]

Sounds like a lot of fun

[broken stag]

Yeah .... lol

[white totem]

I thought I'll get 57 but nope I guess not happening

[broken stag]

They loaded lol

[white totem]

Haha I bet , say Hi to Bamor 👀

[broken stag]

I think ill try to avoid him 😂

[white totem]

Just do it for me😂😂

[white totem]

https://tenor.com/view/30rock-bored-boring-this-is-boring-gif-15325001

[sharp coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/food-bored-gif-6138432

[white totem]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-was-happening-kendall-gray-nothing-none-nothing-happened-gif-17540942

[white totem]

https://tenor.com/view/its-so-peaceful-curtis-payne-house-of-payne-its-so-calm-its-quiet-gif-22163984

[sharp coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-good-curtis-payne-lavan-davis-house-of-payne-tyler-perrys-house-of-payne-gif-18652525

[white totem]

https://tenor.com/view/going-to-lose-my-shit-heath-ledger-the-dark-knight-joker-i-can-feel-it-gif-4920524

They were like this

https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-come-here-to-fight-jake-manley-sarah-grey-jack-morton-alyssa-drake-gif-18029535

[sharp coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-well-then-what-are-you-doing-here-gif-20829218

[white totem]

https://tenor.com/view/i-welcome-war-love-war-conflict-aggressive-war-gif-15370350

[crystal willow]

Keep getting “The Zenith Tech Hub has been occupied by XXX for 6 consecutive hours” again and again and again. Anyone else experiencing the same problem?

[flint ravine]

yes

[boreal path]

Yep

[white totem]

I believe it's happening to everyone

[river cape]

Yup. Almost over now though

And we won!

[hearty igloo]

Please tell me there's not another glitch this time and i just forgot how to appoint governor

Lol

It's not letting us appoint anyone

[white totem]

Are you trying to appoint someone from the alliance who secured the hub?

[hearty igloo]

Yes we got it thank you

[white totem]

That's great

[hearty igloo]

Thank you

[upbeat shadow]

Stilllll bugging out with dual wielding the swp

[restive tangle]

174 is having the same issue cant appoint governor

[wintry pecan]

Would you mind telling us what the issue ended up being? It may help these folks in 174.

[wintry pecan]

Did either the appointee or appointee leave the alliance before the appointment was made? That happened a few weeks ago.

[restive tangle]

No neither has left

[wintry pecan]

Okay. I don’t know what the problem is but here is a possible workaround. Make the appointee R5 of the alliance which took the hub, after 2h it will auto appoint R5 of the alliance who secured hub as governor if you can't appoint it manually. (Lora’s advice 😁)

[hearty igloo]

I'm not sure what the problem was exactly by time i got back on the game from writing that on here he had governor

[sharp coyote]

Would you mind trying to find out? Would really help us in helping others with the same issue.

[restive tangle]

@sharp coyote it auto appointed the R5 for the alliance as gov instead of allowing him to appoiny

The R5 that is there now is the one who is supposed to be governor

[sharp coyote]

Has it been 2h since you won the hub? And does that mean you got the correct governor now?

[restive tangle]

No

[restive tangle]

The governor should be bee boo

The one who is current gov was last governor

[sharp coyote]

For this constellation it’s hard to tell if it’s a bug or if the governor did (accidentally or on purpose) appoint themself. Did he happen to make a screenshot of not being able to appoint? If so he should send that to CS. If you want you can DM me too.

[hybrid sinew]

He didn’t appoint himself!

[white totem]

Guys were the person who needed to be appointed as governor was in the alliance who secured the hub?

[hybrid sinew]

Yes

And never left the state.

I’ve read this happening in a private chat with several other states who’ve had this same problem and nobody did anything about it.

My question is…… is anybody going to do anything to help us appoint the correct governor?!

[shrewd oracle]

I was in the hub when it was secured and have never left the alliance. I was given R5 when we couldn’t get me appointed Bc of the problem. I’m still R5 and in the alliance but it (default) gave governorship to previous gov

[hybrid sinew]

The governor now plans to change states……. Can he transfer it before he leaves? Or can he leave?

[white totem]

Please, try to force close the game in your phone settings and log back in the game.

[hybrid sinew]

Been there, done all that.

[shrewd oracle]

Just tried and still shows gov as the previous gov.

[white totem]

Yeah because he's already appointed by some reason

[hybrid sinew]

Yeah, the game defaulted it to him.

[restive tangle]

He didn't appoint himself, he was trying to figure out how to give it to Bee

[hybrid sinew]

This game is a F’n nightmare of problems!

[broken oak]

Yeah you need to contact CS and see if they can help and explain the problem

Contact CS then tells us what they say if they don't respond SS it and send it to me and I'll try to report it as well

[white totem]

He can't transfer it if he's governor, the spot will remain empty. But he can leave. I have reported it as a bug , hopefully will fix it.

[shrewd oracle]

Thank y’all for your help! The “current gov” and I both have put in tickets to CS. So we will see

[flint ravine]

Did you switch r5 positions after you secured the hub? At first you said it went to the r5 and didn't allow them to appoint it. In the ss you sent it shows the person you wanted appointed as the r5. If you switched r5 positions I believe gov just defaults to the previous r5

[restive tangle]

Any other time we have had the R5 appoint who they want. We have a state alliance for wasteland...the R5 appoints whoever is next in line

[boreal hatch]

It happend in my state before. What we do is asking CS for help and submit ticket for it. But CS said we could just transfered it, but never see any button for it. So we just let it. 😢 so sad though that happen. I feel like there is nothing you can do when it happen they cant do anything about it. Just report it to them so it wont happen again in the future. Sorry that Happen in your state. 😦

[shrewd oracle]

We have a state alliance for WK! The previous gov was the R5 at the time the hub was secured. When he couldn’t appt me as Gov, he transferred leadership to me, as mods said it would default to me. Instead it defaulted to him. He and I both submitted tickets. He’s waiting on a response/resolution before he leaves state. It’s a whole damn mess. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[steady dagger]

Hey all interested in what folks here think. During Wasteland do you keep towers one type or mix types?

[white totem]

We had mix towers!
example as:
riders/shooters
Fighters/riders

[white totem]

We don't fill them full, everyone just sends approximately 50k troops for occupational points, so if someone big would hit it, we wouldn't lose much and they wouldn't get much points from us.

[white totem]

Does anybody know when taxes begins when you got conquered? Is it after svs ends or just after the other state occupied for 8hrs the hub?

[sharp coyote]

Afaik it is at the end of wasteland king, so in half an hour. But I myself wouldn’t care, as a occupied state you don’t lose more than you do anyway. And as occupying state you get the accumulated taxes every day at reset. The taxes you pay either way, just usually they go to the void, now they instead go to another state‘s coffers.

[white totem]

Thx for your answer! Yes i know, for us it stays the same. But we dont really want give a state who conquered us the opportunity to grow with our rss-)) so we try to avoid sending around much rss the next two weeks

[sharp coyote]

That’s gonna hurt your state more than it will hurt them though. Especially if those who didn’t send resources get raided next week during VC and thus lose 100% of those resources instead of only the tax amount. I‘m sure you didn’t send rss for fun in the past but to help the state grow. By stopping that, do you really help your state?

[white totem]

Hm.. good point. Didnt think about this. Thx for your thoughts!

[signal mantle]

Hey hey

[river cape]

We usually have same type. The theory is that the since the captains boosts apply after super reinforcement, the tower or hub will be even stronger since all in that place will receive the same boosts equally.
This time we had one mixed tower. I don’t know how that worked out, as I haven’t thought to ask, and I’ve been offline most of the morning.

[white totem]

I have a plan

Di solito abbiamo lo stesso tipo. La teoria è che i capitani si applicano dopo un super rinforzo, la torre o il mub saranno ancora più forti poiché tutto in quel posto riceverà gli stessi potenziamenti allo stesso modo.
Questa volta abbiamo avuto una torre mista. Non so come abbia funzionato, dato che non ho pensato di chiedere, e sono stato offline la maggior parte del mattino.

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[cobalt wharf]

The problem with mixed towers is the captain cannot hit the super reinforcements when they hit that it weakens the entire tower because you have say a rider captain now applying a rider boost to the entire turret

[sharp coyote]

That only applies if the captain has crappy stats for the other type. There are many players that have a secondary to their main and (being highest might player in the turret usually) won‘t drag most people down when supering. But that of course depends on the actual captain in question

[cobalt wharf]

Yep and they won't have the correct heros for buffs as well

[sharp coyote]

Well, my main type without heroes is as strong as my secondary with heroes, so if I were to captain a mixed turret I‘d send my secondary heroes for best results

[river cape]

If they are told ahead of time they could/would though.

[sharp coyote]

Plus you can have a strong main of both types and decide who should super based on the attacking troops

[cobalt wharf]

How about your 3rd

[sharp coyote]

Mixed doesn’t mean all three types necessarily. It‘s mostly meant to prevent being countered with your weakness troop

[cobalt wharf]

No matter what hitting super is not an good idea in mixed towers

[sharp coyote]

So have some riders in your shooter turret to defend against fighters, etc.

[sharp coyote]

This again depends on the stats of the captain (and those of the others in the turret)

It can be a good idea, it can also be a bad idea.

There’s no one right answer for all

Having Andrew or Isabel super is always a good idea for example😉

[cobalt wharf]

No they are not a good example a good example is a 500mil might not the top .25 %

What most are dealing with

A 1 billion person won't need reinforcing

[cedar steeple]

If your againt andrew or isabel, except if you have a really strong one, put taxi in the hub and enjoy your day 😅

[shrewd oracle]

Just wanted to update y’all on the glitch that took place on appt gov. CS has NOT been very helpful! They asked for screenshots! We gave what we could! Of course none of us had the perfect screenshot they wanted. They keep responding with could you give us more details when the ticket thread has all details we have. So look like no resolution to our problem! We just will have to ride it out with the Gov it defaulted to!

[white totem]

i know there is a time limit to appointment a gov but i havent seen all you replies on this

[flint ravine]

i would think one screenshot would suffice. the image of the hub screen where you can appoint someone else timestamped with the option not there. do you have that one?

[river cape]

It might be helpful if tickets went to the person who speaks your default language as their mother tongue. Ime, this does not happen. Some of the replies I get make my nose hairs curl with the lack of proper spelling and grammar!

[boreal hatch]

I have a question about wasteland King. If u take over another state, ur state is shielded right? And after that u wanna take over the third state? Is the second state u took over will be shielded as well? Thank you

[broken oak]

Nope, just your own state is bubbled

That second state will be bubbled if they take over the third state

[boreal hatch]

Oh really?
So the second state will be bubled if we took over the third state? So if the thirsd state try to take our state it wont happen?

What I mean by our state is second state

Im so confuse. can u speak Mandarin? 🤣

🤣

[broken oak]

Not very well lol I know enough for a simple convo lol

[broken oak]

If state 2 takes over state 3 then state 3 needs to get their hub back before they can attack state 2

[boreal hatch]

thats fine. I dont wanna confuse people with my english. I hope u can understand.

so we have our state, We now hold a hub of state 2, we attacked state 3 and we won. So now we hold our state, state 2 and stat 3. Is state 2 will be bubble?

So state 3 wont be able to attack state 2 right?

[broken oak]

Yes

[boreal hatch]

Thank you Eagerest

[broken oak]

Anytime

[broken oak]

Hold up I understand now those two states will be able to fight each other but not your state

[boreal hatch]

so state 2 can be taken with state 3 and we can take state 3?

so if we hold for 8 hours what will happen?

We still get state to win but what will happen with state 3? If we hold their state and they hold other state?

[broken oak]

If they hold another state their state will be bubbled so it will kick you out of their hub until they lose state 2

I'm not sure exactly what happens if you hold their state while they have another state sorry

[blissful coyote]

If state 1 hold state 2 and state 3, only state 1 hub will be bubbled

[edgy oyster]

Can you teach us please?🤣

[torpid coral]

Breezy! 😘😘😘🥰🥰

[blissful coyote]

Hi hun

[torpid coral]

Miss you, how's life?

[stiff sequoia]

if you try to take over another states hub…will your hub still shield if it is a different team (within your state) who took over the other state? Or do they have to be from the same team (the team who is defending your own state) for the shield to work?

[blissful coyote]

Good you?

[torpid coral]

I am fine, thank you! ❤️

[blissful coyote]

It can be a different alliance from the same state as you. We had one alliance holding our hub this time, then used a second alliance to take another state. Our hub bubbled while the second alliance was holding the other state.

[stiff sequoia]

Awesome Thank you for the help

[white totem]

So Question, Is there a method or strategy you should be doing SvS for HUB and Turrets? Because the method the state I’m in uses I totally disagree with and just kinda want to see what’s your input before I open my mouth over there lol 😂

whats their idea

So for the hub they send their best, but for turrets they send 50/50 on marches so essentially we are not sending our best for those who specialize. For instance, instead of sending my full March of riders they would want me to send 50% riders and 50% of whatever else they cal for. Essentially making me weaker

[white totem]

First Hub full shooter or rider. Then check out states you're against and if needed switch. Turrets 50k each person just so would get occupation points. No point to die a lot when someone big hits your turret, unless turrets leader is someone with really great stats.

If turret gets super reinforced your best doesn't matter , you're under leaders stats.

[white totem]

So essentially a tower with one specialized unit type is always the better option with their best as lead?

[white totem]

Depends under who's stats you are. But yeah I guess.
But I would not waste full marches on turrets. If someone big will hit it nothing will help and you still will have a lot of casualties. Turrets imo just to get occupation points. In my previous state we did held full turrets which just made me die a lot and waste bunch of RSS healing.

[white totem]

Thank you for your time, I appreciate the info!

On both counts

[white totem]

You're welcome

[white totem]

Why some of my soldier are in my infirmary?! 😳

[white totem]

Because they got there from lair or because your state member hit you?

No

I'm sure just the enemy hit me and no lairs during valiant 😳

How many are in your infarmarie?

I just had 1.5k because I forgot to heal after today's lairs lol

But I'm not the only one having this problem

I actually healed mine 😂

Before valiant I always make sure my infirmary is empty

[flint ravine]

are you sure someone from your own state didnt hit you

[white totem]

@white totem please check your battle reports. Sometimes there happens mistakes and your own state hits you

It happens a lot.

Yes man!

But to be sure I'm gonna try another killing 😂😂😂

@white totem You're confusing me lol.

[white totem]

I said now i have all clear my own infirmary and the event one... Fonna try to attack someone and see if it was just my imagination 😂

[white totem]

Okay let me know how it goes lol

[white totem]

Was cool!! I hit him and lost, he hit me and lost, i hit him again and won, hit him again and won 😂😂😂

But yes my soldier are in the event infirmary

[white totem]

Haha , as long as you're having fun

[white totem]

That's good

[scenic pike]

@white totem can you clarify for the new patch. Are March speeds not being reduced further or that they will not be reduced at all (so that it is the normal March speed)?

[fluid briar]

Yes that patch note was confusing

[white totem]

I'm at work right now, I'll check it out afterwards. Or maybe some other <@&742285797725569104> can help you.

[broken oak]

We know as much as you until we get told more

[scenic pike]

Thank you! Hopefully we will know more before Wasteland! Or else it will be a surprise kinda day 😂😂😂

[blissful coyote]

I really want to put a surprise gif to this but might get in trouble

[white totem]

I believe they won't be that slow as before. Meaning they will finally move faster and people won't have to speed 40min for hub with trucks I guess 😂

[blissful coyote]

God I hope so.....they take for-ev-errrrrrrr

[white totem]

Yes, true. I'll see what I can find a bit latter or maybe some other mods will do it before me.

[blissful coyote]

Have a good day at work!

[white totem]

Thank you. I wish I could go home now. Already working for 10h..😕

[blissful coyote]

Girl! That's crazy.

[white totem]

It is. 2 more and then I'll get off thank god

[blissful coyote]

Hopefully they will go by quick for you.

[white totem]

I hope so too. 😅

[sour leaf]

Hi Hope you can help
How many in state Zeniths are there before it becomes Wasteland?

[sharp coyote]

Two

[sour leaf]

Thank you 👍😀

[white totem]

Marches will be faster.

[scenic pike]

Thank you, Lora!! ❤️❤️❤️Can I push my luck—faster than what it was? Or the same when gathering? Or faster still??

[sharp coyote]

The same as your usual march speed. Not as fast as lairs (because you got Hunt March Speed boosts) but regular March Speed.

[scenic pike]

Thank you!!!

[random zinc]

The notes mention rallies, are individual marches also changing?

[hot sand]

I was just going to mention the note says rallies specifically. Idk.

[white totem]

so i would assume just rallies

[white totem]

I'm not sure , sorry haven't been on much today to check the new things.

[tawdry crystal]

What’s the point in this event now? If an older state beats a newer state and changes the HQ level it’s pointless

[river cape]

Correct me if I’m wrong, <@&742285797725569104>s, but if you lose your hub the other state cannot change immigration rules. I would have to reread it, yet again, but I believe it’s either highest might or last governor who can change the hq immigration limit.

[sharp coyote]

You are correct

[river cape]

Thanks :).
I go back and skim once in a while to make sure they haven’t changed something on the down low, lmao!
Plus, since I’m state recruiter, I should know this stuff.

[white totem]

That’s correct. The HQ Level altering goes to the player in the state with the highest might.

[river cape]

Thank you 🙂

[tawdry crystal]

Hence why you send a player from your state with higher might than there’s and when your team wins their zenith he opens the state up for you to move there

[edgy oyster]

[shut geyser]

Sounds like a pretty shitty move to make. It might be better to consider working with home state alliances to enter a state rather than forcing entry.

[tawdry crystal]

That’s the whole Point of the game ain’t it?

[sharp coyote]

I wouldn’t say it is, but that’s the beauty of games like these, that there are more than one way to play it and everyone can choose the right for themselves. But that also means that you have to accept that others think otherwise

[tawdry crystal]

It’s not the beauty anymore due to this immigration change which was done with little thought put behind it

[broken stag]

New immigration rules are dope! Prevents bully from terrorizing younger states

<@&742286202601996299> please don't change the immigration rules, these new ones are adequate and fair!

[white totem]

How about People who got seperated because of this? Or to those who were invited in those new states? Or those who are begging for help to deal with the bullies who already got there? Or to those who trying to escape bullies in their state but they can't afford it anymore?

[broken stag]

Blame APO, I don't parlay in whataboutism

[white totem]

Immigration rules came too late.

[broken stag]

Maybe. But they are an excellent way to prevent bully alliances like apo from doing their shit

[proud flume]

Never immigrated my main, but the flights required are ridiculous.

And it won't prevent bully alliances from moving, they'll just spend more money 🤷‍♀️

[white totem]

Does the R5 of the hub holding alliance become governor? Or can they appoint someone else?

[sharp coyote]

They can appoint someone else in the 2h after securing the hub. If they don’t they get to be governor themselves.

[white totem]

Thank you. Much appreciate it.

[torpid coral]

the new immigration rules will affect the Wasteland Tier matchups as well.

[broken stag]

Good, it would be nice to get new opponents and not the same every other week

[edgy oyster]

Still gonna disagree with this. They needed to regulate who can join - not make it more expensive

Alliances like APO can just pay more money to move. They didn't resolve the root problem which imo is high HQs being able to move so freely

Should have slowed down the default HQ setting or something imo - that would have prevented bullies perhaps

[white totem]

Shouldn't have forced HQ35/40 default and everything would have been fine.

[broken stag]

Im cool with the rules as they are

[edgy oyster]

I think your suggestion previously of allowing governors to lower default HQs or so would have been pretty cool

[broken stag]

I learned a long time ago, if you truly want peace, prepare for war and stay vigilant.

[edgy oyster]

I'm not sure how that fits in with immigration being more expensive

[white totem]

I understand what they tried to do, but they should have given longer notice before that so people who already started to move or who tried to escape bullies would have a chance. Now they are stuck.

[edgy oyster]

I'm also fine with the rules as they are but I do think they messed up

[white totem]

And these rules should have applied from beginning not now when it's too late because bullies already are in the new states.

[edgy oyster]

I'm just not bias from my position o.o

[edgy oyster]

Bullies will be everywhere anyway. But moving states has always been an aspect that's made things better from my experience. I've only heard people moving states to be bad for the minority

[white totem]

I know for a fact that there's new state who's begging for a help due to bully issue but won't get any anymore because of how expensive it is to move

And TBF those bullies can afford to migrate

[edgy oyster]

Usually I argue this isn't a p2p game. But I can't say that this time

They just made what already happens only now available to people who wanna pay lots of money I think

[edgy oyster]

Exactly

[white totem]

Yeah but I do understand what they tried to do, they wanted to help those new states, just happened too late. Because big guys already is there.

[broken stag]

Unfortunately that's accurate, but moving forward this will definitely help. Either way it was a much needed rule

[edgy oyster]

I think what they tried to do was get more money😂

[fiery estuary]

A few tactical questions that have had disagreement among our members:

1. If you are bubbled in the wasteland, can you send troops to reinforce another HQ and stay bubbled, even if that other HQ is positioned in the Wasteland?

2. If you are bubbled wasteland, can you send troops directly to the hub or a turret and stay bubbled if your troops end up reinforcing when they arrive rather than attacking?

3. Does the game enforce no attacks on HQs on the "green grass" outside the wasteland, or is that a handshake agreement between alliances to not do that?

[sharp coyote]

1. yes
2. no
3. the Game enforces it for HQs from a different state on the green.

[fiery estuary]

What about for Zenith, on 3?

(and thanks for the answers)

[sharp coyote]

Zenith war includes only your own state, so you can attack everyone as usual

[fiery estuary]

Thanks!

[faint rose]

Most of us spent months saving for flights by getting coins. We started getting coins in January and had enough in the middle of May.
Also we were the same strength as those already in the state we moved to. Not only that but we agreed to peace with a majority of the state with the exception of the one alliance that chose to attack us only to have all but a few of the NAPs broken during the last wasteland war.

[wintry hare]

Does anyone know how occupation points are calculated during wasteland? Do you gain points faster for hub or turret lead?

I am currently a turret leader and somehow I am dropping in the occupation ranking even though I was one of the first people to occupy anything

[rapid ether]

Hello everyone. I have a question. So we are a newer state and last wasteland we took a hub. Now we are matched with way older states and obviously way stronger players. Can anyone tell me how it's calculated what your opponent is? I know that if you have taken a hub you will be match with other states that have taken a hub, but can we expect to be matched up with states like this over and over again or does it reset?

[spark turtle]

We took a hub and 3 wastelands in a row now we are completely out matched might wise. Lol worst decision ever makes valiant hell 😄

[glass edge]

Hi Miss Rainbow, I think it depends on your record of wins, draws, and losses. Not only does it depend on whether you’ve recently taken a hub, but I think you’ll be paired with states that have similar overall records if I understand correctly

Also, I have a question too! Our hub is shielded right now. Will our shield disappear if we change the hub captain or have some players leave the hub?

We want to move players to help in offense but don’t want to accidentally lose our shield. We understand that as long as we hold another state’s hub, that’s all that matters for the shield to stay right?

[sharp coyote]

Hub gains points faster than turrets. And I think (unsure) higher troop tier gets you points faster.

[sharp coyote]

Your shield won’t fall. Just make sure to not have your hub empty at any time while doing the switch, as that would reset your timer

[sharp coyote]

And also keep in mind that turret fire can still harm troops in hub.

[wintry hare]

I’m getting passed by people in the occupation rank that are not in a hub, and have lower tier than me. And we are all in state occupying our own turrets

[rapid ether]

Hub you get points faster. I dont think higher troops get points faster

[sharp coyote]

Higher tier does get points faster. I was first in our hub today but not first in rankings anymore

[rapid ether]

Well I have been in a turret with t11s and people in hub with t10s got points faster

[sharp coyote]

Yup, because hub advantage is higher than the difference between T11 and T10 in points

[rapid ether]

Ohh that makes sense. Thank you 😀

[glass edge]

Thank you 🙏🏽

[kindred palm]

Question guys. Another state took our hub, and now their hub is shielded. Is that temporary? And if we take the other state’s hub, will that shield our hub, even though we don’t hold it? Thanks much!

[pallid shell]

Can you transfer the title of Governor from one player to the other in the same Alliance

[marsh saddle]

The other states home hub will remain shielded for the duration they hold your state (unless they also take the 3rd hub but that complicates things).

If you take your home hub back it will shield for 30 mins.

Taking the 3rd states hub whilst your home hub is occupied by state 2 wont do anything to the hub in your state

[kindred palm]

Ugh gotcha thanks, at least we know

Not fair IMO. We should be afforded the opportunity to take their hub as a negotiation tool

[bitter gull]

i wondering if we could possibly have a green banner that goes off for an entire hour too tell us we have 6 hours left please . oh wait...

[sharp coyote]

request granted
Sorry, I feel you. We reported it already but please send a ticket to CS too, might get it resolved faster.

[cyan marten]

Question. If you have troops in Alliance Infirmary, do they follow you when you quit that alliance?

[tulip mural]

From what I remember if you leave they disappear

[cyan marten]

Completely? Forever?

[tulip mural]

i think so but let me double check @sharp coyote do you know?

[cyan marten]

Thanks. Would love to hear back from you.

[sharp coyote]

Yup, they die.

[cyan marten]

Ouch. Okay. Thank you. x

[white totem]

How are casualties points calculated? A member of our alliance has had 3 mill in casualties and is just over 1.6 mill in points

[low crescent]

With wasteland war if you lost troops attacking an enemy player from another state. Do you get the in comeback boost ??

The player was in the wasteland

[white totem]

Thought you liked to get reminded for things

[white totem]

The dead counts as casualties .

[rose lake]

If troops die in wasteland king do they comeback after event like un some others

[inner sable]

No

But you get a huge boost in making more. 300%

[rose lake]

I didn't think so but wanted to ask

Thanks

[inner sable]

No biggie. First question I asked on my first wasteland

[rose lake]

I couldn't remember and one my team asked I wanted to make sure I gave right answer

[inner sable]

Good call lol

[rose lake]

My state is total chaos right now with in state fighting that most of mine have decided not to participate lol

[inner sable]

If I’m not mistaken you can build 30% more of the killed troops you lose during wasteland.

That sucks. I’ve been in that boat before.

[rose lake]

They are so busy fighting themselves that nobody is doing state vstate lol

[inner sable]

What state

[rose lake]

S279

[inner sable]

Ahhhh newish state. Yea that’s kinda typical

Teamwork is everything. I hope you guys get it figured out or find a better state. Kills the game for most

[rose lake]

It's really just few the biggest going behind eachothers backs wish they would work together we have lots strong players

In this state we had no problem defending it till now

Thanks for info tybo

[tight kindle]

Do your troops automatically heal after wasteland?

[sharp coyote]

No

[tight kindle]

Damn haha thought they did thanks though

[broken stag]

Fun war s29

[night pulsar]

Can you only get casualty point while in a tower or the hub?

[inner sable]

Yes it was state 62 here

[kindred palm]

Either. You can get them on a tile hit in the wasteland

[night pulsar]

I sent some t3s at a tile occupied by t10s… didn’t get a single point

[kindred palm]

Odd. Sorry I don’t know why, I always do as far as I know

[night pulsar]

That’s what I keep hearing lol. Very odd

[meager vortex]

If you tried hitting someone from your own state, you won't get points. You only get points when you hit someone from another state.

[night pulsar]

Yep I was in another state, and the player in the tile was from that state

[meager vortex]

That was the only thing I could think of lol my apologies. that is definitely odd.

[blissful coyote]

Big thanks to S60 and S62 for working with us. Much appreciated!

[river cape]

Ummm. Sorry, but I don’t think T1s qualify for points. @sharp coyote @wintry pecan either of you know?
I know I read that somewhere, but it might have been Valiant.

[prime spear]

Troops aren’t dead in tile huts, therefore no casualty points.

[white totem]

Havoc Party next week... 😂 😂

[idle cliff]

That's better than us we got s15 and s56... They didnt want to take our hub they just wanted the kill points so they kept reseting our hub 🙈 😭 so we just used t1 to occupy our hub we still are ongoing

Like never take another state hub ever... This match is so unfair our biggest player isnt even if 450 mil yet

[sharp coyote]

T1s don’t count for points in VC. In WK the points are per might lost, so T1s still get you points. But since tilehits only give you wounded not dead they won’t count.

[last mica]

We were paired with S57 and S123.... Some bloody big boys there. @jaunty stream some of your old colleagues I believe? You too @sharp coyote?

[sharp coyote]

Yes, some people from S16 went to S57.

[last mica]

👍👍

[river cape]

Thank you 🙂

[broken stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-coffin-dance-funeral-funny-farewell-gif-16737844

[broken stag]

Glad it went smoothly, that could have been a long night 😂

[inner sable]

You ain’t lying

[blissful coyote]

And you'll miss all the fun

[white totem]

Cute Isabel and baka hunting pop up bubble

[blissful coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/ball-bubble-zorb-hug-gif-17877140

[white totem]

Have stock 24hrs😂 😂 😂

[blissful coyote]

I got plenty... even some 3 day... been a long time since I used a bubble 🤣🤣 or had to be sneaky

[white totem]

Farm diamond the best😂 😂

[blissful coyote]

💯.....plus side, I have no rss after yesterday and I can sleep in next Saturday 😂😂

[white totem]

Bubbles and frame diamond.... Let the Big player hunting around the maps😂 😂

The super power defense....Shield😂

[blissful coyote]

Yeah but you know me. I won't be able to live under a bubble the whole time. It is my favorite event. The goal for this one will be to not lose all my troops before the end of it. 😂

[white totem]

Only avoid the Bigger Hunter😂 😂

[blissful coyote]

Change my name...have to bring on the camouflage 😂

[white totem]

@broken stag already bookmark😂 😂

[broken stag]

😂 gonna be a long day lol

[blissful coyote]

Take a nap midday....just inform me when you do

[broken stag]

No naps, wake up at 6, start drinking at noon pass out at 6Am rinse and repeat lol

[broken stag]

Ya Know, if you join us it'll be a completely different set of events 😅😅

[blissful coyote]

I've been told this. 😂😂

[graceful canyon]

Does it matter if you're in a state where hosting alliances rotate, when you join said alliance for svs? Chatter from some says you need to join 24 hours in advance to benefit from alliance tech, others say no.

[river cape]

I join the hosting alliance twice a month and have not had an issue with the tech. In fact we are told to just come sometime after reset the night before. Some even show up moments before Zenith starts.

[graceful canyon]

Yes, as having been in the hosting alliance and been a visitor, I've done the same as you.. just wondered as there is still some debate amongst players I know.

[river cape]

Ah, ok 🙂

[graceful canyon]

Thanks for the speedy response darling 👍

[river cape]

You’re welcome

[last mica]

Some states set up a new alliance dedicated to SvS where only 10 or so members (maybe farm account) remain. Once the players leave that alliance after SvS the tech doesn't necessarily evolve as quickly as others which could explain why some states would like people to stay. That's my theory anyway 👍

[torpid coral]

@blissful coyote oh dear I heard you all got S60... Poor Breezy... Nap the whole day lol.

[broken stag]

Now now we ain't that bad

[torpid coral]

Never said you all are bad, its just impossible to hunt in your state lol.

[broken stag]

😇😇

[old quest]

Can a mod answer this question, how long does the shield last when you take another states hub? My r4 and I are arguing. I say the entire time you hold their hub but my r4 says no bubble we were only bubbled because we already had 8 consecutive hours.

[white totem]

the shields stays as long as you hold that hub you lose the hub it goes away

[twin gulch]

If one of my guys take hub and I reinforce him, if he pulls out before the 8th hour but I stay in control does the time start over if we are the same alliance

Can governor status be given to someone else in the Alliance if the person to win doesn't want it?

[white totem]

no it wont

[white totem]

you can give the gov title to anyone on the winning alliance

[sharp coyote]

… in the First 2 hours after winning the hub. After those hours the R5 of the occupying alliance gets automatically assigned governor.

[blissful coyote]

I actually hunted some in 60 but got hit by a s62 player

[torpid coral]

Ouch.

[broken stag]

We attempted best we could not to parlay on 29, 62 however got the business 😂

[inner sable]

Still number 1 though lol.

[marsh blade]

Does anyone know how to unlock the diamond boost? All the others we can do just not this one

[broken oak]

You need to conquer another state during wasteland king in order to be able to use it

[marsh blade]

Thank you very much for answering 😃

[turbid valve]

Is there any way possible for someone to find out who a state is matched up before the day?

[white totem]

no there isnt unfortunately

[turbid valve]

Oh its not unfortunately lol i was just checking some bs given by a player who said he knew, thank you

[sharp coyote]

You can only make educated guesses. And some players think the WK in upcoming that shows the last matchup is actually your next matchup.

[spiral glacier]

How are states matched? Is it based on previous wasteland? Total might? Valiant performance? All of the above?

[north laurel]

When are the new matches for SVS wasteland decided? Like, when does it change to let us know the new states. If they already changed them that means we are up against the exact same states 3 wastelands in a row?

[spiral glacier]

It lets you know after the event starts, so you don’t know until 1 minute after event has started

[north laurel]

Perfect thanks! Hopefully it changes this time. It’s been crazy doing same states for this many weeks in a row already.

[spiral glacier]

We had the same thing with a few states, they got sick of us too, but we made some friends

[trim gale]

@sharp coyote hey qjuh, quick question. If we fill the wasteland with hq permanently, will rss tiles spawn around them in gaps or do they just not spawn period?

[sharp coyote]

There will (probably) spawn less resource tiles if you do that. But I don’t know of anyone that ever tried that, because having your sanctuary in wasteland doesn’t grant you the alliance boosts of the territory

[trim gale]

Thx. More of a permanent defence solution for zenith

So in theory, if you cover wasteland by 60% of the area, you would approx get 60% less rss tile spawns?

As rss tiles won’t spawn next to hq, it just wouldn’t spawn at all if it was designated on an HQ in wasteland?

[rough anchor]

@white totem 👀

[worldly kelp]

Hello

[late oracle]

If another state captures your tech hub, who runs the state during that 2 week period? EG controls HQ level etc.

[sharp coyote]

HQ immigration levels get controlled by highest might in state. The rest (titles, boxes, decrees, …) simply doesn’t exist for you for 2 weeks.

[late oracle]

OK thanks.

[halcyon igloo]

Hey state,
Which alliance is going to be taking the zenith?

[broken oak]

Uhm this usnt state lol

[halcyon igloo]

??

Am I lost?

I see what I did. Sorry

[half pumice]

thought for a second you were offering your zenith 😅

[halcyon igloo]

Hahahaa my state would slaughter me! But funny as hell!!

I didn’t even notice because all the freaking pictures are the same lol

[broken oak]

Lol

[broken oak]

I think SOM will take your hub

[halcyon igloo]

No don’t do it!!

Lol

[broken oak]

Lol what state

[mental cedar]

Does the person you are assigning gov have to be in the alliance that is holding your hub or can it be anyone in your state?

[timber bridge]

They have to join the alliance and be given title of governor then they can go to their own if they aren't a part of your alliance.

[restive fulcrum]

Thanks a bunch! Nothing like being put against a state with t12's and t11's when your state only has t10's!

This event is a complete joke sometimes.

[crystal remnant]

Y’all couldn’t change states from last time? Really?

[stoic condor]

Mods, please check the matching algorithm, there is something seriously wrong with it, when four of the intruders having about the same might as the whole defending state.
My upbringing forbids me to say what I really think about this matching system. 🤬

[fresh lantern]

276 serwer sparowany z S14 i S80... Serio?

Przecież brak jakichkolwiek szans na obronę. Wpadło do nas sanktuarium z 2 mld mocy i t12. Rzeczywiście mamy szansę na obronę...

[sharp coyote]

What state are we talking here? What’s your previous record of hubs won/lost?

[fresh lantern]

Me - s276 paired to the battle for zenith with servers 14 and 80. The last zenith loss from our side, we were conquered by another server. And now, again, no chance of any defense. Is it fair that 40hq with 2 billion of power arrives, when on our server the strongest player has a little over 300 million strength?

Besides - how did this strange pairing happen? Young server versus old?

[little notch]

In theory. What happens if a different alliance than the governing alliance takes another states hub?

[fresh lantern]

247s as a rival of s19 ... Really?

You've put in place immigration restrictions to protect your young servers, and the zenith pairs weak servers with the mighty? Where is justice here?

[opaque dune]

I’m new

I’m a kid

[white totem]

S19 have lost their hub in the past now and aren't hold as strong state at matching. S49 secured only theirs in the past so didn't move up in the leaderboard.

[fresh lantern]

We also lost the last zenith and got paired again with strong old servers.

Only recently it was the 263 and 268 servers. That's some kind of fairness. But S14 and S80? After all, one player from S14 has more strength than our entire server put together ...

[restive fulcrum]

s239. And that win/losses is a bunch of nonsense. We were against s44 three WK's ago. They took bith states they were against and then the following wk the game pits 239 against s5 and s13 after losing our state to s44. I'm not spending another dime on this game until this match making gets fixed. Also make the coming Valiant pointless.

Plus what are newer states to do against older states when they can't attract stronger plauer to immigrate because of a bad new rule?

[white totem]

It's not about how strong state is but where they placing in leaderboard.

[restive fulcrum]

How can strength not be a determining factor???? There's very limited strategy to this game in the regard of who does how much damage when they hit you! It's straight up math.

[stoic condor]

So if we manage to negotiate a NAP with the other states we climb up in the leaderboad and are then matched to much stronger states? ... sorry, but this makes no sense at all! Matching has to be based on might (which is no indication of fighting power) or even better on troop strength of the states ...

[fresh lantern]

But our server is not in the scoreboard at all. XD is our 5th zenith. We won 3 times, lost once (pairing was ok) now we will lose because one player flew in and with his t12 he does what he wants ... How are young servers supposed to develop if they are exposed to such players?

[white totem]

Might is the most influential. And In addition to combat power, there are still many aspects. It's mainly about combat power and winning percentage.

[fresh lantern]

As I wrote earlier - you have introduced restrictions on flights, but young and old servers are paired - where the strongest player has as much strength as the entire server. This is what all zeniths are supposed to look like? Will you do some sort of order with it?

[white totem]

Like.. if State A was the winner in last SvS, most likely he gonna meet other winner of last matching in this time. S49 didn't hold any other hubs previous SvS only their own hence why they got matched with states who did the same.

[white totem]

I'm not developer to change things for you. Just a mod for discord.

[restive fulcrum]

Of course, but you can let them know they won't be seeing another dime.

[fresh lantern]

I understand that. So maybe some developer would speak, because from what I have learned, most of the young servers are currently under fire from old servers, where one player outweighs all of them.

[white totem]

I understand what you're saying, but Wasteland matching is different.
I'll add this in my report tho, that they need to change their matchmaking and add some other aspects to that as well, because as much as I like new states as my opponents in SVS for resources, it's not fair to those new state people.

[fresh lantern]

How are we supposed to defend ourselves with t10 units against players with t12 and 2 billion strength 😂 the more we got paired with the mighty because we lost recently? 😂 Funny. Funny and discouraging.

[white totem]

Just telling you how matchmaking is made. That's not on me if old state gets new one.

[fresh lantern]

This pairing should be completely different. Such a system - in 2 weeks we can hit s60 or S14 again ... And we will never have a chance to develop.

[stoic condor]

sorry, that you get the brunt at the moment, but to whom we have to write to get some change done, because the matching just doesn't work ...
even if S49 didn't hold their hub/or win any other hub in forever, that gives no indication that they would be a good match to a state S2** who won their hub ... one just doesn't know why the hub was won or lost ...

[white totem]

S60 is moving up really fast so I don't think new states would get them anymore.

[restive fulcrum]

Good luck with that. Our state won't use transports for resources anymore. Makes more sense to send out troops and hit a base.

[white totem]

Ehemm.. you lose 30% into taxes from attacking players.. soo kinda give out more.

[restive fulcrum]

Lol, well that sucks

[white totem]

I understand that all. And it's not possible to fight s49 when you have only few t10/11. I really get why you're upset but not that it will get changed right now.
so I look at that as educational.. won't be able to always win war. Sometimes you get too strong opponents. And just have to learn when to let it go.

[sharp coyote]

You don’t lose more than you do when you‘re not occupied. You actually make your state weaker by stopping transports

[restive fulcrum]

Compared to these matchups? Look, somethinf has to be done this is <expletive> ridiculous!

[white totem]

Right. If your state is secured by some other your taxes goes there.. but you lose taxes anyway even if your state is not secured by some other people.
You don't even feel the changes

[restive fulcrum]

Seriously, I'm down 100k troops with 250k in the hospital because a t12's plops down in our wastleland and uses speedups before I leave. You'll have to understand I'm not a haooy camoer over here.

[white totem]

Oh man this is a war game. Sometimes it happens. My t10 HQ got hit during Wasteland and I managed back up.
I was in the past s34 and we got matched with s3 multiple times when they were a powerhouse and we didn't even have one hq35. That's just how war is. Can't want everyone to be equal.
Pluss from what I saw that new state who's against s49 and s19 have t11

[raw ice]

ya but you got that sweet sweet training boost

[stoic condor]

Thanks Lora, for the life-lesson, and yes, sometimes life just s***s, but that's no reason not to strive for a change to better the system.
Please, could you let me know to whom I have to write to get the chance for a change - and I'm not talking of "right now".

[graceful umbra]

Play a violin its a war game. You win some you lose some. Grow stronger to win later

[white totem]

We mods are here to read y'all suggestions. If you have suggestions for how to make matchmaking post it in #💭closed-game-suggestions and we will make sure Devs get that.

[stoic condor]

Thank you!

[white totem]

If any of you have got strong state with whom you don't have a chance to defend yourselves just take a break. You get 300% if you got hit and you can build up. Sometimes it's good to take a break from losing troops.

[graceful umbra]

Common sense 👍

[restive fulcrum]

It's not a war game when one player from another statr can take oit the whole state. That's genocide.

[white totem]

Okay, I did tell you how matchmaking is made. Not my fault if some states have good HQ.
If you lost your hub no need to worry as you get 300% boost. Take a break now, build up stronger and figure out strategy how to get it next time. Sometimes it happens.

[restive fulcrum]

Who cares, that costs a ton of rss. You may not make the game but you know as well as I do how many resources it takes to train 100k troops, on top of the resources needed to get the 250k oit of the hospital. Plus I get 3 days of a boost to try and recover that? I knoe you're tryinf a look at the good side but there isn't one unless I spend money. Which isn't good when it's for a broken window.

The wallet is closed. Possibly for good on this game. Chester can keep his lame special rewards from my previous soending.

[wise token]

What happens if you lose wasteland war like a foreign alliance takes our zenith hub

[tawny sigil]

the last mod here understood that this system sucks and this one sees no problem

[white totem]

Man my hq got hit , 600k died and I did not have 300% boost for that. It happens in war game.

[tawny sigil]

it looks strange

[white totem]

I know it's a problem but I can't change it. Want me to do what exactly?

[restive fulcrum]

It's not a war game with these matchups.

[restive fulcrum]

Stop defending it.

[tawny sigil]

it looks funny

[white totem]

I'm not defending Sheesh. Just telling you how matchmaking is made

And giving you alternative for it because you cannot change it

[tawny sigil]

I will say right away that I am not from these states but I think the system sucks and you were supposed to fix it

[white totem]

I was not supposed to fix anything. I'm mod not Dev.

[restive fulcrum]

I understand you have limits, but we're not looking to make a discussiom with someone who has limits on this. It needs to change.

[tawny sigil]

make reports to them and not write back every two weeks that there is nothing you can do

[white totem]

I am giving reports to them but it's not my choice to change things.

[restive fulcrum]

Well attach my name. They can look me up and you can tell them this guys isn't giving you anymore money.

[tawny sigil]

it does not say anything about strategy because there is no strategy for the player which has sg40 on sg31

[wise token]

What happens if you lose wasteland war like a foreign alliance takes our zenith hub

[white totem]

I'm really sorry you're not happy with this. They have other people who still will buy things.
I can't change how matchmaking is made. If you were against some much younger state than you are , you would be s49 in that situation and probably wouldn't be here because you would hold those other hubs.

[white totem]

Nothing. You just lose opportunity to give out titles and boxes.

[wise token]

Ok ty

[tawny sigil]

you will lose the buffs too

😉

[restive fulcrum]

Of course other people will still buy things, but with matchups like this it will be a limited amount of people. I'm out and most of the spenders in this state feel the same way. So if they're haooy not growing they can keep it as it ism

[sharp coyote]

I always tell my people: losing your hub isn’t worse than having a lazy governor. No titles, no boxes, no decrees. That’s it

[tawny sigil]

then you speak poorly to them

[white totem]

It's just one Wasteland. Will be next time.

[restive fulcrum]

Also I don't blame older states for the matchup. Not their fault.

[white totem]

If you're not happy how we mods speak with them. Feel free to do so if you can do it better.

[restive fulcrum]

But see that's the point. I've been in this state for 4 matchups and 3 were absolute garbage matchups. Why would it het better?

[tawny sigil]

I just think reinforcements is a big thing

and such talk is irritating

[white totem]

You'll make is so easy to be mod, oh I'll do this, I'll do that...all good at talking like always

[raw ice]

are yall just venting right now or? pretty sure they said they were gonna pass the message on

[tawny sigil]

a hub for people is sometimes something more and you look at it as if it was just anything

[raw ice]

getting mad at the wrong ppl

[white totem]

I play this game for almost a year. I know it all and I know it's not fair most of the time. I'm putting it in my reports but that's all I can do.

[tawny sigil]

@raw ice I've heard it so long, man, it irritates me to talk about it

I don't care what you say to your people about the hub for me it's important a well-functioning system and that's it

[raw ice]

noted. but that dosnt mean you can take it out on someone thats only trying to help my man

[white totem]

But is not enough for them, like if mods are the one behind the game, they talk for who's doing it...if they pass your message and they don't do nothing isn't their fault

But it's easier this way because you have someone to take it out on

[white totem]

I know. I was s34 when we had no t11 and was matched with t11 states. It's not fair but we learned from it and got steonger.

[raw ice]

its like calling your cable company and yelling at the new girl on the phone. she just doing her job lolol

[tawny sigil]

forgive you, you are mods and you probably knew what you were up for? LOL

you can always change jobs

[white totem]

Emm. No. I am just a volunteer here to help others with game and such. Not to let y'all yell at me because Devs didn't do what you want.

[tawny sigil]

I have no problem with you about the system, I have a problem that a few people talk nonsense about the HUB and the strategy

[raw ice]

shes a volunteer and voluntarily putting up with you XD

[white totem]

I told you how matchmaking is made, that's not my fault I know how it works

[raw ice]

so be nice

[tawny sigil]

I can only wish you a nice day and we'll see you here again in two weeks

[restive fulcrum]

Lol, We were trying ti get stronger then they changed immigration and an alliance coming to our state is now cut in half. I'm so done at the moment I'm getting out of here before I start losing my cool.

[raw ice]

first beers on me

[restive fulcrum]

Just please yell at these devs for me.

[raw ice]

maybe the next 5 if your cute

[white totem]

I know. And I'm trying to help with that. I wrote a long report for that issue.

[white totem]

Or if he's drunk...

[raw ice]

😉 cant call me out like that

[white totem]

I know it , he knows it, we all know it@raw ice

Just in time😍

[raw ice]

😆 what can i say i turn into a nice guy when im drunk.... sound familiar?

[white totem]

😂...

👀

[raw ice]

hy

[white totem]

Jinx we bro's

Ohh... Brother zone

Friendzoned during Wasteland

I wish I could meet y'all during Wasteland @white totem @raw ice

[sudden parrot]

268 is asking us to go to 201 for killing trucks otherwise they gonna hit our HUB

[raw ice]

you would destroy me

in game

[white totem]

Are they stronger than you are?

[white totem]

That's the point

[raw ice]

well wouldnt be the first time

do i get to come here and complain when i lose?

[sudden parrot]

Ooops wrong server, im sorry 😂

[white totem]

I don't mind. I wish I could meet @sharp coyote again. Give him my wood

[white totem]

No worries haha

[white totem]

Don't worry be happy .. XD

[raw ice]

hes all gas no steel

[sharp coyote]

Well, one of your bases gets the chance this time😉

[white totem]

Oh man port in Wasteland so I can hit you today already

[white totem]

He likes my wood. He took it last time we met.

[raw ice]

all of it? 🤔

[sharp coyote]

Lemme think about it🤔

https://tenor.com/view/tracy-morgan-smh-shake-my-head-hell-no-no-gif-4844098

[stoic condor]

mhm ... and the taxes for transporting rss go to the occupying state ... nothing is something different ...
and yes, if my state were matched against a younger state who hasn't a snowflakes chance in hell against my state, I would probably laugh about that useless matching system ... but it doesn't make the system better ...
Lora, no one is attacking you personally, but we need a place where whe can put our grievances and know we will be heard ... just telling us we just have to suck it up is NOT helping.

[prime lynx]

Hey all, is there anyway to get casualties point once hub is secured?

[white totem]

Sheesh okay port next to me and send troops to tile

[white totem]

If your state is not occupied by some other state you still lose taxes.

[sharp coyote]

You lose the taxes either way. The occupying state gains more, but you don’t lose more

[sharp coyote]

Attack another hub/turret?

[prime lynx]

If all hub is secured?

[white totem]

Let someone hit your HQ

Or tiles and don't heal.. dead will go into casualties

[prime lynx]

Thanks @white totem @sharp coyote

[raw ice]

no man, she literally said she would pass it on, she just has no power over the decision. your mixing words

she then further went on to explain how the matchmaking is currently being done

no

[white totem]

Please remove that.. if that's alliances recruitment it goes to #✅alliances-seeking-players

[sweet granite]

Love when the game matches my state against 1B+ players when we have 1 player in state with T11s. This some BS

[raw ice]

as stated earlier this is being passed on to the devs. thank you!

[somber delta]

This is 3 in a row that a new state 239 get put up against 44 or 115. That’s real garbage I guess squeeze the mid level players out of the game

We have more 35 and 40 invading us then we have lvl 30s

[novel mesa]

I have a question, if you lose your state to an enemy state, what happens to zenith? Does it belong to the other state until next wasteland king? Or is it given to the highest might team in the state? Asking for a friend

[raw ice]

completely understand. we face the same issues, however it was already passed on.

[raw ice]

highest might is acting leader.

[novel mesa]

Oh no. Even if they don’t help in the war?

[raw ice]

yes sir

[somber delta]

It’s just sad spoon that they match a whole state of 35-40s against a state with 1 34

[sharp coyote]

They can’t do much though. Only set immigration cap. No titles, no boxes, no decrees, no state name change, no bulletin.

[raw ice]

oh i understand completely. and it has already been passed on

[sharp coyote]

There’s no actual state leader if you’re occupied

[novel mesa]

No kidding, our highest might player in our state is 300Mil and the enemy has people in the 2 Tril might.

Our state is a mess lol, I’m pretty sure that acting might nerd is gonna want to set rules. They’ll find a way.

[sharp coyote]

2 Tril? The highest player has 4bil only

[novel mesa]

Sorry 2bil I meant lol

It’s 5am here. I’m half awake apologies

[sharp coyote]

If he has a way to set those rules having a governor wouldn’t stop him from doing so, would it?

[restive fulcrum]

Don't apologize a lot of frustration for many of us this morning with poor match making.

[raw ice]

well another thing could be the balance. like my state is very peaceful and we have great balance. that means we have a lot of strong players but no 1 player that sets us off. 1 strong player could mean he now has to do the work

[sharp coyote]

And saying things out of frustration is exactly the things you should apologize for later, sir.

[novel mesa]

It would in the sense that they like to impose laws, but when gov isn’t them, they stay quiet

[raw ice]

but have a good balance also means you dont have a single strong player for attacks. see how this works

[sharp coyote]

Well, he won’t be governor.

[restive fulcrum]

I have said nothing insulting or uncalled for. You may kust be exoeriencing frustration alsom

[novel mesa]

Our state recently became very peaceful. We had a big problem when the highest might players alliance was in charge, after they lost the role everything went peaceful and quiet. But with this wasteland we are gonna go back to a big list of dumb rules that only benefit them

[sharp coyote]

You told them to not apologize. That’s what I was referring to. Not what you said earlier

[novel mesa]

Then let’s hope we stay peaceful.

[raw ice]

i beg to differ alvin as you were taking frustrations out on lora who was only trying to help

[raw ice]

ya ive been there my friend. there are pros and cons to both sides of have one big player or several medium players

[novel mesa]

We didn’t stand a chance this wasteland, the enemy attacking us lowest might player is bigger than our highest state player lol. Curb stomp symphony.

[restive fulcrum]

Obviously I'm not a happy customer but hardly unruly.

[raw ice]

its happens. win some lose some. the system is not perfect and thats why the concerns are being passed on

[white totem]

Sometimes it happens. Strong get matched against the weaker. If you would be STRONG in this matchmaking against some new state you wouldn't mind it

[raw ice]

most customers arnt happy cuz like... fuck charter... but here you get to voice your opinion. just dont be rude about it ok

[restive fulcrum]

Trust me, my rude side is nuclear.

[raw ice]

im sure your ferocious. but be nice to the people that want to help you or else you wont get an ear to yell into. know what i mean?

[restive fulcrum]

I do, but after 3 terrible matchups out of the last 4...all things considered my attitude is that of a saint!

[raw ice]

no. your attitude is atrocious and your mad at the wrong people. i feel your anger but bruh. the mods here are not the ones

take that break you mentioned early my guy

[restive fulcrum]

Fyi, you're not helpful either bub

[raw ice]

im also not a mod.

or a dev

or customer support

[restive fulcrum]

I know that. Justa guy with a crush trying to score points. I get it.

[raw ice]

lol k

[restive fulcrum]

You kniw that was the hammer on the nail!🤣

[raw ice]

if thats what you have to resort to for a customer service complaint.

[restive fulcrum]

You wanted in the conversation. Don't have to be Freud to figure out the reason.

[raw ice]

noted

[sharp coyote]

Because he‘s a good guy and he doesn’t like us voluntary mods get yelled at.

[raw ice]

lol Q i love you man. hes just trying to push buttons cuz he dosnt have a leg to stand on. but thing is. i deal with this kind of behavior all day

i have kids ya know?

[restive fulcrum]

So a complaint about a bad game mechanic is yelling?

[raw ice]

your complaint was noted and you continued

[restive fulcrum]

I need results not notes

[raw ice]

they are CS not DEVS. do you even know how companies work?

[restive fulcrum]

Then they don't have to feel obligated to respond.

[raw ice]

CS did feel obligated to respond. and did so everytime. your fighting the wall

[raw ice]

a response does not equal action. yell at the clouds

[vague halo]

sometimes you gotta sweet talk the bigs to get them out of your hub. What state are you from hun?

[raw ice]

it works for me every time but not everyone has the gift of gab it seems 🤔

[restive fulcrum]

It won't help. One of our members is a friend with someone from the other state. But even if they leave it doesn't stop a bad game mechanic fir matchups.

[vague halo]

when 75 came after my state once. we bent over and did what they asked and kept our state. gift of the Gab! yes!!!

[white totem]

Remember.. in those strong old states also are smaller people . Maybe matchmaking seems unfair to you but for them it's a blessing because they have a chance during Valiant.

[raw ice]

sometimes there is nothing you can do. period. you have to accept it.

[vague halo]

now I hide next to Andrew from other bigs ahaha... last VC he went looking for me though. I was scared 😦

[raw ice]

its not a perfect system if you win everytime

[white totem]

I was s34 when we got matched with s75. We had zero hq35 lol. Andrew zeroed my hq29 haha

[restive fulcrum]

I get there's no perfect system, but when the one state has over a dozen guys that could single handedly come into the state and zero everyone without healing, we're as far from perfect as one can getn

[raw ice]

the. comment. has. been. passed. on. if you are a game developer or some how know better of how this game should be ran. please provide your records and KNOW our mods will pass it on. no one in this chat decides anything

[vague halo]

Dw I helping him 🤗 Gift of the Gab at work here 😛

[raw ice]

lol thanks ❤️