Mega Man Zero

[devout saddle]

I mean, I've been saying, use the tools the game gives you lmao

what's important is that ya did it

https://giphy.com/gifs/sarcastic-impressed-sora-brow-ED3i9ai72XqizxAPtE

[shadow crow]

I swear I tried the triple rod 🤡

ah well, it's beaten

thank God for save states

Game was a blast until that final boss

[devout saddle]

Final boss is not super hard, but he has a single move that deals half your hp

personally I think he is much easier than sigma in x123

[static cove]

My favorite boss was probably the blob/devil one. Nice series throwback, not overly annoying.

[devout saddle]

yeah big throwback

I hate yellow devil, but rainbow devil is fine :D

[finite shard]

smdh they misspelled baby mode

[nova oar]

Well, I think I goofed with my S rank run. Probably just going to have to do another full run later

I forgot that not getting enpugh points for S rank will affect the next stage, not the current stage end ranking. I went through one and got 93 points, but it still said S rank, so I kept going. The next stage said I had an A rank, even though I had 97 points. Ensue the forehead slap

I remembered the 'staggered' rank loss was a thing for later games (2 and 3) with S ranking the easy intro and heading straight to the bosses with good EX skills to get those while your rank was still high to aquire them

[devout saddle]

Yeah it's cumulative

I mean, it's an average

If your every state average drops bellow 95, you drop a rank

Tô make it go up, the average needs to go up, which is super hard since you're in the 90's

[azure relic]

Just started ZX and did the first boss mission and …
I don’t understand how I scored a level 3 victory with having been hit so many times

(Also I wish they’d let you look like X over Zero lol)

[nova oar]

They do if you finish the game and go new game plus, I believe. I used it a lot and it's my go-to choice for the double shot. There's a secret model Ox as well. It was a cool bonus for having MMZ3 and MMZ4 carts back in the day.

[azure relic]

Ahhh. Wonder how that works on switch collection

[nova oar]

If it's an average score one 93 shouldn't drop me that much since I've gotten a lot of 95 to 99's

[devout saddle]

95 is already A iirc

it's 96 and up that is S-rank

not sure

[devout saddle]

level is about not hitting the "weakspot"

higher level victory (4), is by not hitting the weakspot at all

it only really matters when fighting pseudoroids, higher level means higher energy bar for that biometal

beating the game allows you to use ||Model X|| standalone again

[devout saddle]

you can just go in the doors that would need the cartridges

to get Model Ox, you need to beat ||Zero|| on the secret area

and do the sidequest

[nova oar]

You're right. My scores were all 96 and higher up to now. My bad

[devout saddle]

oh my bad I read "look like zero over X" 😔

also good on him for playing ZX

bad on him for not playing zero234 before 🔫

[azure relic]

…Ive already beaten 234

[devout saddle]

damn this month?

[azure relic]

No. I dont ever need to replay these games again lol. Played them for a second time in 2021

[devout saddle]

aw but they are so good 😔

I always play them in order when I do play them lel

[azure relic]

Maybe z3 again, but i dont really care for 1/2/4

[devout saddle]

diabolical

not even 4?

das crazy

I need to see the story ending everytime :)

[azure relic]

Like they’re good games but if I want my mega fix ill play classic or x2

[devout saddle]

unreal takes on this blessed day

I rather play X3 and ZX at best

but zero234 are always on my list

not mm3 lmao

[azure relic]

I think I said this when i was talking about my rankings

I can take or leave the zero plot.
I don’t think its all that deep/impressive.
Writing a “everyone dies and its all depressing” is hard to nail and only like two story beats in z1-4 ever hit for me

Always felt like the push for X to be “gritty and cooler megaman” turned up a few notches
(But thats just my experience both times I played through the series)

Fun gameplay tho

I can attest that I do have some additional push back to the story because I do think its impossible to separate Keiji vocally wanting to make Zero the protagonist in the X series for so long and then z1 basically being ||HAHAHA X IS DEAD AND NOW HES THE BAD GUY MWUAHAHAHA|| as the overall attitude.
||even if at the end its “jk its not REALLY x||

[nova oar]

I'll be moving onto Zero 2 tomorrow or the day after, depending on free time

Between the BoF and Mega Man series, Capcom really had a theme of the world is going to get progressively worse and less hospitable over time going

[azure relic]

Also, thought i responded to this.
OH, interesting. I wonder how obvious weak spots are without looking then up.
Good to know

[devout saddle]

one of the models tells you the weakspot of every enemy on the second screen :D

[devout saddle]

I think that is very dismissive from how they wrote "everybody dies BUT IT'S HOPEFULL", not all depressing

and tbf Keiji is just a piece of shit and so I never read a word this man put down, doesn't matter if zero is good, X was never evil ||in the first stage the cyber elf has an X shape, c'mon||

we can just disagree on that tho, but the ending of zero was hopeful, not depressing, and keiji is worthless anyways so I didn't even know he was the one that pushed for zero to be the MC

ah yeah, he managed to make zero the MC on X7, and it's quite literally top 3 worse games in the franchise

[static cove]

X7 was mainly just because they didn’t know how to adapt to 3D from 2D

[devout saddle]

no, it was because Keiji inafune said in an interview he "doesn't see 2d and 3d as inherently different, so they thought it would work the same"

so it was hubris that brought us that

[azure relic]

Yeah, originally Zero was X when he was designing the X series. And Capcom said "Hey...you have to make Mega Man blue, my guy."
And thus started his villain arc to get his OC to be the main character

[devout saddle]

lmao what a double piece of shit

and after all that he made might n9

his shitty mega man clone, blue

even if he added his shitty zero clone as dlc after

[azure relic]

lol. He's got great concepts, but he needs other devs to level out his wild development ideas

Like, Mno9 still having BLIND death drops

is such a WILD thing

[devout saddle]

yeah I said that having both the game and dlc, and It's quite ass

[azure relic]

and like, I'm fine with death drops if the level design alludes to it, or warns the player, but these are straight, "off camera spikes"

[devout saddle]

but I LOVE mighty gunvolt burst

[azure relic]

Me too

[devout saddle]

the "make your own boss weapon" mechanis is awesome

[azure relic]

Yeah, I thought that was really cool

[devout saddle]

and its very similar to classic mm, I thought you would fuck with it lel

[azure relic]

I will admit I know its dismissive. I tried my second playthrough to let go of the influence Keiji has on my opinions of the story, but they're too strong. At least for z1. I think he finally let go by halfway through z2 lol

However this is me at the end of Z4

[static cove]

Capcom handles RG franchise poorly too

[azure relic]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-what-i'm-about-to-say-it-i-don't-care-that-you-broke-your-elbow-meme-orange-shirt-school-gif-8967925382249236151

[devout saddle]

ngl I am defensive because I love the story

entrusting the future to those that came after

I really fuck with it

even if it was more bitter than sweet, I always thought it was a hopefull ending

I will admit, it is very edgy in it's own right, but so sincere on how it ends, I can't help but feel like

that's what heroes do

[azure relic]

Yeah. I think thats it. It was very edgy, and at the time, I was a teen and all my friends were starting to go through their edgy phase

[devout saddle]

that's what zero always was, even if more "edgy" in this incarnation lol

[azure relic]

Probably just edge overload

[devout saddle]

too much edge 😬

[azure relic]

But the edge I think comes from Keiji's influence, not the character of zero himself

And I think thats the disconnect or thing holding me backj

cause you aren't wrong, its very sincere by the end

[devout saddle]

no I mean, zero even in X games was always a bit standoffish, on zero he is straight up rude, but I let it go somewhat

[devout saddle]

son of a bitch ruined it

[azure relic]

I mean

[devout saddle]

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THO AND I WIL NOT TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER

[azure relic]

Yeah

[devout saddle]

THE MECHANOLOID DESIGNS ARE FUCKING GOATED

ALL OF THEM

look at this bro

they cooked so fucking hard

[azure relic]

LOL right I forgot those are mechanoloids as well

I thought you were talking about these guys

And I was gonna be like "I mean, yeah"

Robots are neat

[devout saddle]

LMAO NOOOOOOO

to be specific, the bosses from the zero zx series

I don't think they had a single bad design

[azure relic]

The one I fought was sick

Throwing tornados from his hand

[devout saddle]

at wrose it's middling

[azure relic]

or feet

[devout saddle]

Hurricane?

from ZX

The repliroid of model H?

my bad, Hivolt

Hurricane is another boss lol

[azure relic]

YEAH

[devout saddle]

this guy

[azure relic]

that guy

[devout saddle]

Hivolt then

[azure relic]

Great design

[devout saddle]

he is very cool

imo all of the bosses from ZX are

but you tell me as you fight them :D

[azure relic]

I will. Excited to play these. I've touched every Mega Man game for at least an hour or two except ZX and ZXA, and then I think command mission.

[devout saddle]

and you can tell that model H is Harpuia, cuz Hivolt does the same combo he does

it's awesome

well, I hope you enjoy at at least a little bit

[azure relic]

I was thinking it was similar

[devout saddle]

the models give the game such personality, that just changing elements doesn't

btw I don't know if you know this

you already have model H right

you can do the harpuia combo

[azure relic]

I think I'll like it. I like that missions aren't ranked, but the bosses have ranks. Kinda makes the lead up more enjoyable for me.

[devout saddle]

by using sword one, sword two, sword one again

it throws a lil shockwave out

and if you know how, it oneshots a boss

[azure relic]

I haven't played around with it. It was 1:30 am so I needed to get to sleep

[devout saddle]

yeah you can relax on the mission and focus on the boss

[azure relic]

Yeah. While I can appreciate that design for people who like the challenge. I'd rather enjoy the level, explore and try and find secrts without worrying about time or getting hit

and then go try to wail on a boss

But so far, exploring has been fun. Found a sub-tank, found a life extender.

[devout saddle]

ah yeah, also, always remember the overdrive feature

it can actually melt bosses much harder than on zero

which already melts bosses lel

[azure relic]

I remember people saying the map in ZX was annoying, but I don't find it that bad so far

[devout saddle]

there are 2 instances that are ass

[azure relic]

Is this unlocked from the beginning or does it unlock through the story?

[devout saddle]

the rest, old fashioned exploration will lead the mthere

[devout saddle]

it's the green bar on the biometal

zx doesn't have it

it's unlocked from the beggining

it's basically a devil trigger feature

[azure relic]

Ah, that makes sense. So test it out on model H

[devout saddle]

you deal A TON of elemental damage when it's on

but disables if you take damage, unlike DT

like, when you see a opening, toggle it, combo, and leave

the bar also gives you some features on charge attacks, if you have it

[azure relic]

Okay cool. Good to know.

[devout saddle]

like model H sends a little tornado I think

or an elec ball

zx has a bunch of tech

I'll bother you later with it

lel

[azure relic]

Not surprising since Z games have that built in

so makes sense to continue that kind of inclusion

[devout saddle]

btw vent and aile have different movesets for the biometals

so

there is that

||aile is the cannon character tho||

even if for all intents and purposes it doesn't matter lel

[azure relic]

Oh…

Well….shit

(I prefer canons)

Wait…are there different stories completely per character?

WAIT CANON AS IN LORE

Not like an arm cannon

[devout saddle]

YEAH DAWG NOT ARM CANNON LOL

MODEL X IS THE SAME FOR BOTH LMAO

[long prairie]

i played the tutorial stage and nearly died on the first boss because i had no idea how to use the sword

this is gonna go poorly for me

[devout saddle]

immediatly go into the options menu and change the attack mode option please

to type B or C

type A ais literally the worst lmao

[long prairie]

i’ll give that a shot, thanks!

[devout saddle]

options menu as in, press start in game, then R

it will swap tabs to the options

[devout saddle]

this one

[static cove]

That would be a sick server emoji set

[minor hemlock]

I am remapping buttons I don't care anymore.

Y remapped as R for blade. X is turbo for rapid fire. This seems to be working

[devout saddle]

you using facebuttons for everything?

[minor hemlock]

Except dash

Still have r for charging blade while shooting/jumping I suppose

[devout saddle]

did ya try R being just subweapon instead of switching or a+r?

[minor hemlock]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention, they're on B setting where they're separate

[devout saddle]

ah nice

[amber matrix]

Having the elemental weaknesses make such a difference in the boss fights, fighting Fafnir went down so fast!

[devout saddle]

yeah it melts them it's so unfair lmao

it's the difference between 10 second kill and a minute

[frigid hill]

Omg finally beat Leviathan, brutal.

Two missions left, and then I presume a final mission?

[devout saddle]

yah

3 parter

[devout saddle]

imo the most annoying of the 4

[frigid hill]

She wasn’t difficult per se, just the moveset and floaty water jumps

[devout saddle]

and the spikes lmao

charged fire saber puts her down quick, but if you loop wrong, she swins up and it's annoying as hell

[sonic vapor]

tfw I run into trouble on the first real boss. Anyone got any tips for just like... getting my feet under me in this one

[nova oar]

It starts alright-ish. And then stays ok for the next little while. But then you have to find specific doors that require a specific key to open to progress. Some are in sort of out of the way locations that you find after a bunch of boring backtracking. Having 'hardpoint' checkpoints you could easily teleport to outside of those areas woukd have reduced the annoyance friction. It was mostly an annoying pacing interruption issue that I feel they addressed well in ZXA

[nova oar]

Which version? If the collection, take advantage of the autosave and just practice the fight. If an emulator, same deal. It's not too bad and goes down fast once you figure out the patterns

[sonic vapor]

Fair enough

[nova oar]

Outside of equipping the right element for the right boss, there aren't really any shortcuts for people new to the gane to take. Boss melting strats are usually for people fairly familiar with the game. So fundamentals are key

Even the shield + single sword slash strats are deceptively tough since you need to know where to stand, how to bait the right attack, and then when to let up since you can die so easily yourself still

[sonic vapor]

Yeah, fundamentals are the thing I'm wondering about

[nova oar]

The stages are generally short, so if you have decent enough reflexes or skills in 2d games anyone can do better than they might assume in this with some repetition of sections after autosave/state save points

Most of the rep for difficulty comes from having to do the whole stage well from start to finish on a gba. Modern features sand a lot of those edges down

[silk topaz]

Geez, the hardest part of this game was the fact that it was on the GBA

Having to hold a button every time I want to deploy the secondary got really crampy really fast - the SP was a poor choice

[azure relic]

@devout saddle
Oh boy, as soon as I learned I could repair biometals this game SKYROCKETED IN FUN

I don’t need to worry about anything in boss fights anymore except styling on then and stuff.

(Like I dont think I LOVE the weakpoint thing because Lurre was apparently weak in her head and then the inside of the fish mouth)

But since its not required and only more for skipping spending crystals, Im not afraid to just play around and overdrive and stuff

Having a great time with ZX

[nova oar]

There are settings to make R the primary button for your secondary attack, or have R make your main attack button switch between the 2 weapons you've chosen

[nova oar]

I liked how the weak point system helped me do more damage against tough bosses when I started, but then the extra challenge of learning to avoid hitting them as I got better wasa nice wrinkle

[sonic vapor]

Just tried Aztec Falcon again. Apparently I am going to have to expand my ideas about what an "opening" is.

[sonic vapor]

OK, apparently this guy is actually intended to be a brutal introduction whose openings are not obvious

[nova oar]

@sonic vapor https://megaman.retropixel.net/mmz/1/bosses.php

Going back to the first stage area and grinding your weapons on the spider nests is a valid strat. That area is available until after the elephant boss fight

Grinding outside of a mission doesn't affect ranking

[sonic vapor]

I can charge both my gun and my saber now at least

[nova oar]

The big L2 charge with the buster helps with damage output. Sword charge has great range

[cold bramble]

I just clung to the far wall and took cheap charged potshots, biggest learning curve after that was climbing up and jumping well clear when he crossed to the closer side of the room.

[nova oar]

My own general strat boils down to staying on the opposite side of the screen as much as possible. It's an early knowledge check fight for understanding spacing with emphasis on mobility to avoid attacks

[sonic vapor]

Right, I can grasp avoiding Aztec Falcon's attacks just fine. It's finding room to counterattack that's all the problem.

[nova oar]

And that's the knowledge check

Stuff like choosing your shots while he's doing the slow, standing 3 shot volley at you depending on whether it's a standing or kneeling shot. Jumping at the wall when he does his middle of the screen attack, then wall jumping back at him to get over the lightning, get a sword hit in, then backing off to see what he does next

[devout saddle]

charge saber is prob your best friend in this fight, you can hit him pretty much everywhere, and it's real fast, so openings don't need to be so big

aztec falcon might not be as brutal cuz you at least have walls to climb, but he does exploit the "small" framing of this fight

[devout saddle]

that's really awesome dawg, still don't know why you were skipping this one and ZXA lmao

[devout saddle]

on the normal GBA (as prob any horizontal device would) it's less cramped lmao

[devout saddle]

well, fundamentals would be knowing about dash jump, doing the same from the wall, and in this case, levelling up your weapons

mobility will be your friend through all of the game, so learning those would be the msot inportant imo

[static cove]

Game definitely takes time to learn. We aren’t even 10 days into the month so don’t worry that much

[unreal grotto]

Just beat it! I found it to be very difficult. I feel like I must've missed something. Was I supposed to grind for the cyber elves to increase my max health? I've basically played the entire game with the health you started with

[minor hemlock]

I was told to max out that elf that increases health by twofold for sure

[unreal grotto]

I noticed it during my playthrough, but I just never naturally got enough stuff to feed it.

The save-assist feature really was a saver for this one

[devout saddle]

gotta farm some e-crystals

game doesn't "naturally" gives you enough at all

the one that doubles your health costs 3k total

[azure relic]

I just didnt own them. They came out when i had to focus on school.
Then when I got the collection, i was Zero’d out when i redid 1-4

[devout saddle]

Ah yah I forgot you mentioned that

well I hope you enjoy them now

I know I do, like a lot lel

love how you have ||model X, and can plya just as mega man X, and model Ox, and play just like mega man zero|| if you want

[silk topaz]

For sure - I think it still suffers by trying to do a little too much for the simple control scheme of the platform. Charging a sword secondary strike while doing a dash jump has my fingers on three buttons while I’m also having to do a double-tap for the dash

Did the collection re-releases utilize modern controls to give a dedicated sword button?

[silk topaz]

Oh snapped I missed this - so I can make R the sword attack on press, rather than a combination? (And then I could potentially remap that)

[devout saddle]

dawg, you are missing dash on L???????

[devout saddle]

all of this is configurable on the control settings in game

[devout saddle]

sending this again lmao

[silk topaz]

Dash on L is just gross for me, regardless if that finger is free

[devout saddle]

and just to clarify, no, since you can remap as you wish

[devout saddle]

gross is crazy, why tho

[silk topaz]

Also partly my fault because of choice of SP

[devout saddle]

oh you plaing on OG hardware?

[silk topaz]

I’m not sure -just feels less dexterous to me when curling my finger around the L button, I need dash so often and so precisely that it doesn’t feel good to keep on L (for me)

Not OG - 34XXSP

[devout saddle]

AH SAME AS ME LET'S GO

change it up to R then, and leave buster on L

since you can just "hold" it

release when need it

[silk topaz]

Will try the remaps for Hard Mode

NG+ resets all weapon levels?

[devout saddle]

yeah you can put any action in any button, so make use of that a lot

[devout saddle]

I don't think there is NG+

just unlocks hard mode

so yes. in a way

[silk topaz]

Selecting my cleared data keeps all my health upgrades, etc

But doesn’t seem to keep my charge attacks, so I’m assuming the level of the weapons gets reset

[devout saddle]

yeah but doesn't it load you before the last boss?

if it does have NG+, the last 20 years have been a lie

[silk topaz]

Nah it’s the start of the game for me

Tons of health (but no charge shot)

[devout saddle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/stress-i-need-a-drink-brain-explode-2rqEdFfkMzXmo

new knowledge just dropped damn

[silk topaz]

I selected the cleared data without holding L to do Hard Mode

[devout saddle]

well, gl on remapping

I like the default control scheme, but I've been used to it for years now

[silk topaz]

I managed for the first play through but couldn’t help notice that it felt like the scheme was really stretching to be usable by the GBA but I should’ve looked for a remap, even just making the sword a press vs. a hold-and-press is huge

[devout saddle]

don't think so, mega man uses 3 buttons normally plus d-pad

gba has 4 plus dpad, and you have 2 buttons for weapons

so bout the same

also, always look at in game options first, never know what you can find, so

I never played this games with this shitty ass hold and press setup, and god only knows why that is the default instead of one button for each

[silk topaz]

GBA has two buttons

[devout saddle]

gba has 4 buttons

you mean L and R don't count?

[silk topaz]

Sorry yes if you mean L:R

[devout saddle]

yeah well, it's part of it

would you say the PSX has 4 buttons?

[silk topaz]

Four “face” buttons, yes

[devout saddle]

aha, but it has 6 buttons, which you use all 6 to play

[silk topaz]

But it’s worth noting that all mega man games utilize those four and relegate the shoulders to weapon switching

[devout saddle]

most megaman you only need 2 plus d-pad

sinch you COULD dash with double tap

but X4 onwards

you can shoot special weapon with square for example

and normal buster with triangle

[silk topaz]

Yeah it works it just feels like they really wanted those four face buttons that had become the norm at the time

[devout saddle]

no way you wanted to do 4 functions at the same time with your right thumb

cuz I can SEE you wanting both weapons on face, which is still debatable in zero, cuz the saber is the main weapon, so you can just charge buster with R for when you need it

but dash, jumping, and saber you do all the time, those 3 at once

In Mega Man X5 and X6 you have auto charge and rapid fire, so you only need 2 face buttons even, dash and jump, cuz you don't need to hold buster

just so we're clear, some people would rather have 4 face buttons for zero, I think it's crazy, but alas

two of my friends also hates dash on L

[silk topaz]

I could and have done dash on R so moving sword to a single press button and remapping that to face might be cool

Honestly it’s on me for not realizing I could change it from hold-and-press to press

Dash on R is more digestible than on L for me

[devout saddle]

yeah this one was diabolical brother

not that I blame you, the default being literally the worst option is ass

[iron edge]

I map the a button to b and a, then change the settings so R is the secondary attack, then I map r to the x button and b to the y button. Keep dash on l. That’s what I’ve found works. I have both attacks readily available and I can easily jump and dash while charging. Having two jump buttons is super nice.

[devout saddle]

two jump buttons is innovative

[iron edge]

It’s very liberating, i have to say.

[silk topaz]

If you change the settings to that R is just the sword, can you shoot while you’re charging the sword?

[iron edge]

No. You can still only use one weapon at a time.

Shooting will reset the sword charge.

[devout saddle]

two weapon buttons 😔
two jump buttons 😌

[devout saddle]

yes

unless you set it to CHANGE weapons

then, you can only charge one at a time

[iron edge]

Wait… really? I was sure that didn’t work. That’s even more awesome. But seems broken. lol.

[devout saddle]

shooting does not reset the sword charge

if you release them too closely to each other

animation cancels and the move doesn't happen, but you lose charge

[devout saddle]

it is not

either charge puts the enemy in invul frames

so you're not melting bosses like this

but you can destroy enemies much quicker, alternating charge attacks

you can definelty charge both, and use both, but not at the exact same time

same as if you release a charge as you're about to get hit

you will lose the charge and move doesn't happen

[devout saddle]

in any button, as long as attack type is on option B, you can charge both

[silk topaz]

that is crazy

doubly bonkers that the default control scheme is not only what I feel like is the worst option, but also caps functionality

[devout saddle]

yeah, that is insane

what's more insane

is that it stays that way for 4 games

[iron edge]

Gross.

[devout saddle]

zero 1 through 4, the default is a+r

for subweapon

[devout saddle]

quite

[silk topaz]

ok some reading suggests that it's just your cyber-elves that carry over when you start a new game from the cleared file (weapons and weapon levels reset)

[devout saddle]

gonna go for hard mode like this just off rip?

rebinds and vibes?

[silk topaz]

There's an achievement for Hard Mode that I would like to get, depending on how hard it actually is

there's more I need to learn about where all the elves are, and how to get Jackson

[devout saddle]

do you want to know now?

[silk topaz]

I deliberately went in a bit blind the first time but realized that was a mistake when I had gotten to the final boss without realizing how to use the actual elves. I had just "downloaded" them without actually activating them

[devout saddle]

jackson is a pain in the ass

[silk topaz]

"What the hell? This guy isn't giving me DOUBLE vitality!!"

[devout saddle]

you don't really NEED elves

but the final boss does two shot you

[silk topaz]

Jackson is gotten by getting and using all of the other elves, right?

[devout saddle]

not using

[silk topaz]

oh

[devout saddle]

you need all of them, max level

[silk topaz]

do I specifically need to NOT use them?

[devout saddle]

then the door opens, and you get jackson

yah

[silk topaz]

hot damn

ok here comes eight hours of desert farming

[devout saddle]

yeah lmao

it's not super fun

but it doesn't require skill, just grinding

[silk topaz]

oh whoa I ALSO have to get an A or better on the full game?

[devout saddle]

so it seems

[silk topaz]

Are elves missable? Like, if I miss one or more during a certain mission, they are gone for good yes?

[devout saddle]

can't confirm, never tried

[devout saddle]

probably

I never cared much about them

but they drop from enemies, and static ones, in containers in missions

certainly are

[silk topaz]

yeah, I'd probably need a guide

I do lament the fact that there are FAR less currency in the game's critical path than is required to level up even just one of the larges elves

But I suppose using one of the item-boosting elves early on might make that less true

[devout saddle]

yeah it's meant to be grinded on the open areas

but it's just not that fun

you don't even get rewarded for good rankings

which would help a lot

[silk topaz]

It's also very unclear to me which elves are permanent upgrades vs. temporary buffs, vs. one-time uses

[devout saddle]

and incentivate good gameplay

[devout saddle]

you will only know using them lmao

the description they have is AAAAAAASSSS

[silk topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/tight-cool-nice-awesome-fogell-gif-17098274

lots I still need to learn about this game, and I appreciate all of the insight you've shared

I appreciated the challenge, too (most of the time)

[devout saddle]

glad to be of help

but I will fight you on the 4 buttons issue 👊

-# lmao

[silk topaz]

nah it's mainly the fact that it required a hold+press for the sword

which I assumed was them squeezing inputs out of a four(total) button device

but I missed the option to change it, in which case I can just remap as I see fit, which I will do for next time

especially since I can charge the sword and fire the gun, holy shit 🤯

[devout saddle]

yeah it wouldn't even make sence if you think about it, like a combination when a button is just free

and it doesn't combine into any other input lmao

[devout saddle]

good game starts now buddy 😎

[silk topaz]

I also

did not equip a SINGLE element the entire game

playin' games real good this week

[devout saddle]

BROTHER WHAT GAME WAS YOU PLAYIN

[silk topaz]

I also didn't get any of the other weapons...

[devout saddle]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[silk topaz]

straight Mega Man I guess!!!!

[devout saddle]

well, the other weapons are kinda mid

but elements are boss MELTERS

like I said earlier

difference between 10sec and 1m kills

btw elements only work on charged attacks

not every hit

[silk topaz]

ah ok gotcha - good to know

and yeah I imagine that will help me get the rank up better

[devout saddle]

with elemental knowledge

[silk topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-legend-of-aang-the-last-airbender-anime-the-four-nations-air-nomads-gif-17710564

[devout saddle]

you prob can loop the bosses for super easy no hit kills

it's elec>fire>ice>elec

some don't have

and some LOOK like they don't have

anubis is weak to fire for example

phanton has no weakness, the other guardians follow the chart

final boss first stage changes with him, last phase is ICE

now go get some S ranks

BTW IMPORTANT ON RAKING

[silk topaz]

Also do I have to do anything special to get the sword from level 4 to level 5?

[devout saddle]

yeah

dash slash, and jump slash

will unlock the last 2 moves

ON RANKING

it's your average scores from ALL MISSIONS

you have to get all of them above 96 points

if you fall under, it will damage your average irreparably almost

[silk topaz]

ok, I'll probably need to use a guide since elf collection plays a part in that ranking

[devout saddle]

well, good luck

I love the game, but can't be bothered on Zero1 to s-rank, so I never did ALL of them in one game

[silk topaz]

much appreciated! Love learning the ins and outs of new (to me) retro games

[devout saddle]

zero 2 and 3 tho, s-rank gives you boss moves, much more interesting to do it

[silk topaz]

Hopefully I can buffer hard mode difficulty by actually using the systems that the game includes 😄

[devout saddle]

funny you say that, cuz mmz kinda punishes you for using SOME of the systems

using a single elf will take away 10 points from you

FOREVER

in every mission

[silk topaz]

OOOOOOOOOOH

So S rank is only really attainable by never using an elf

which means S rank and Jackson run makes sense to do at the same time

[devout saddle]

and retries, if you use them all up in a mission, and don't load, you "fail" the mission

[devout saddle]

yup

[silk topaz]

yeah

damn, alright

[devout saddle]

I wish you luck soldier

S-rank took a mental toll on me when I did it

so many mission loads

for simple mistakes

was it fun

no

was it worth it?

also no

but I did it ✊

[long prairie]

dang, even with easy mode and states, that desert escort mission sucked

[devout saddle]

it's just a slow walker

since easy mode doesn't change the HP of the guy you have to protect lol

or do it like they do on speedruns

they just hit GIVE UP

and be done with it lel

[static cove]

Petition to rename thread to MegaMan Zero Joss after gotm is over

Probably half of the 1484 are joss

Yep

724

[devout saddle]

listen man

I like the videogame

[amber matrix]

No shame, that’s how I feel about sword of mana tbh

[static cove]

https://tenor.com/view/jessica-pearson-never-said-ambition-was-bad-suits-gif-6221929

[devout saddle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/peacocktv-suits-harvey-specter-gabriel-macht-h2O1QbWOms9xswzNs9

[devout saddle]

maybe rename it to mega man zero 2 and we keep the ball rolling? ay ay

[azure relic]

Model J Biometal

Grants encyclopedic knowledge on Zero

[devout saddle]

I know a lot about every MM series

I think

🤔

[static cove]

Really? Name five.

[azure relic]

Name 5 Mega Men

[devout saddle]

I know at leaast 7, but I don't wanna say 🔇

[devout saddle]

he is so good he counts at least for 11 of those

[nova oar]

Well, I'm not sure if it's because it was late and I was too tired or just out of practice, but the second form of X was my kryptonite last night. I can get through the whole stage, all refights and the first form of X with barely a scratch, but that second form had my number

namely the 2 laser spreads for the hands that it does

Even the EX attack it does isn't too bad with good positioning

[devout saddle]

Yeah this one gets me every time unless I'm already on the walls 😩

[nova oar]

And done. It really was just me being tired with slower reactions. It was easy tonight

Onto Zero 2

[devout saddle]

Wanna go brother?

[nova oar]

I'm already started

Got a 95 on the first stage and rage restarted

Impressions so far are that Zero 2 is much more streamlined

[devout saddle]

Yeah, it's just base+stages

Which I think fits much better

[nova oar]

Growing pains. The issue with Z1 was not knowing what each mission required until you saw it before. Z2 is a much better presentation

Then Z3 and 4 are peak since they let you customize the experience with elves, penalty free

[devout saddle]

Z3 still has the penalty, so does Z4

But they are mitigated by the game being so much fucking better lol

Yeah bringing it back to MegaMan stages instead of missions with bosses was good

On ZX they have some missions with bosses, but much better than Z1

[nova oar]

You get satellite elves up to a certain limit without penalty, no?

Wait, I'm thinking equippable parts

in Z3

In Z4 you can earn levels and use some combination of abilities up to that level

[devout saddle]

Yeah, one vit, one hacker, and one animal,but if any is above level 0, you take a penalty

[devout saddle]

Yes, the parts system has no penalty, just using elves

In Z4, you don't feed separate elves, you use crystals to make all of their max level higher

Picking one of each type of elf to be active at the same time

But you still take the elf penalty as always

But Z4 also has no incentive for higher rank, Ex skills are acquired by fighting in the boss favorable weather

[nova oar]

Are you sure about that? I distinctly remember growing the level of that elf and using different combinations up to and including the elf level earned without a penalty. Going over the level was when the penalty kicked in

What I found on Google seems to confirm that memory

[devout saddle]

I don't trust AI overview, but I won't die in this hill either lmao

[nova oar]

I'm usually skeptical of the AI as well, but it matches my own experience and at least one gamefaqs thread confirmed it twice from a quick search. I'll give it a pass this time

[devout saddle]

Yeah I looked at the wiki and it seems to be so 🍻

That said, so you can use it but sparingly, gaining one point per boss beaten, maxing out at 8 or 9 with body chip

So after beating one boss, you can use a single level of the elf

[nova oar]

Which is fine for letting people finally use the system without penalty. Especially since they got rid of the elemental chips

[devout saddle]

Yeah weakness is only on the ex skills now

Which I think was cool

MMZ3 has the best overall systems tho, besides srank for ex

I think the revisited ROM hacks for 2 and 3 are cool

For 2 it cuts the elf evolve costs in half, and you get ex independent of rank

On 3 it's just the ex skills

[spiral hemlock]

I've been pretty busy with my move, but there's been plenty of car time to play. I'm just about at the Neo Arcadia levels now, so hopefully I can wrap this up in the next couple days

I think back fondly on the Zero games from my childhood, but maybe it was more 2-4 that I liked

[devout saddle]

I mean, they are much better tbf lmao

[azure relic]

@devout saddle
Look at this pro Lv. 4 Victory

[devout saddle]

huge gameplay that is graaaaaazy

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-absolute-cinema-gif-15085453417287561698

[devout saddle]

no overdrive no nothin?

[azure relic]

I used the fractional (i think four or five health blips) subtank storage I had saved up cause I keep forgetting to grind for those to fill

And i honestly keep forgetting overdrive exists lol

Mostly i ise subtanks in levels while making jumps to explore for power ups etc

[devout saddle]

well, are you having fun?

any troubles with the map?

if you're on leganchor seems like you found your way just fine

[azure relic]

Yeah! There are some weird quirks that make it not feel like a full metroidvania. (I think missions prompting when you get to a location would be better because sometimes its like “oops on the wrong mission time to go back”)
But i spent like an hour exploring so I pretty much have most of the map unlocked (like knowing where new zones are)

Map so far isnt too hard to navigate

[frigid hill]

Made it to Harpuia at work today, f that boss lol. Kicking my butt.

[devout saddle]

bit of a loop that is not hard to do if you want

if you hit him with the ice charge attack

he will always do the triple combo

it's jump stay jump to dodge it

then jump again as he will prob hit yo uwith a jump wave

then hit him with chraged ice

repeat this for like 6 times

also, if his dog kicked your butt on the disposal center, you would know he was gonna be harder 😎

[devout saddle]

I mean they do if it's a main quest mission right

Praire always tells you when you reach a mission area

also did you notice praire is the lil kid that talks about cyber elfs in zero1-4?

[frigid hill]

He has a dog? Idk if I’ve encountered that yet

[devout saddle]

the first real boss

Aztec Falcon

Not a dog, but, he is shown mounting it on official art and MMZ2

this guy

[azure relic]

Only if you’ve selected. Yeah. Kinda wish if none were selected that it put the one into active

[azure relic]

I didn’t thats neat

Also is the girl the canon character because ||shes SIS? Since Im playing as vent, Im having hints of “shes still alive and then it turns out to be YOU THE PLAYER”||

But only if you play as Aile or whatever her name is

[devout saddle]

||"SIS" is Ciel remember, Praire lives with her in MMZ, and calls her sis in mmz3-4||

She grows up to be the leader of the Resistance, since ||Ciel is a human, and is long dead||

Aile is cannon because of events in MMZXA, in which ||Grey is the cannon character||

[azure relic]

Oh that makes sense, duh

[devout saddle]

I think it's very cute to fight against oppressive dictators as her sis did 🙏

[azure relic]

Honestly this game going “oh heres how to make a cyber elf”

When you save them and they tell you that I audibly piped up “oh thats dark”

[devout saddle]

yeah it has a bit of drama

[dire sun]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sweaty-heat-1

Me during the final boss fight

Many curse words were said

[iron edge]

I finished the standard missions. Guess the real game starts now.

[devout saddle]

Boy you better be charging both weapons or else

[nova oar]

Second form of the final boss is no joke. Very beatable with some pattern recognition, though

[devout saddle]

It's very jokey, just watch the hands and dodge everything but the spread laser 😩

[frigid hill]

Made it to Phantom, just have this and then the final I think?

[devout saddle]

You mean the protect the factory mission

Or ||in the boss rematch||?

[frigid hill]

Phantom in the protect mission, that’s the last one on my list

[devout saddle]

Yeah, but it's a 3 stage gauntlet to the final boss after that, and if you know Capcom you know what's coming

[earnest walrus]

Stupid phantom , I hated that guy

|| Pick a side when he rides his shuriken ||

[devout saddle]

I think staying moving is better lol

[earnest walrus]

|| All I know is that he can't hit you if you pick a corner ||

[devout saddle]

Yeah, but I like to charge saber him to end it faster, so I kinda follow him

[earnest walrus]

Ahh, yeh I could see that, I would charge and then hit him after he jumped off, while in air. Smaller window for sure but worked out ok in the end (for me)

[devout saddle]

Hey man, what works works 🍻

[iron edge]

You’re basically where I’m at. You’ve unlocked the wily stages for the older ones. This is when the game really gets difficult typically.

[azure relic]

Phantom is cool because hes so clearly “Protoman but a ninja” in design.

[nova oar]

Neo Arcadia 1 is tough since it's basically 3 mini stages with 2 minibosses and a full boss. Stage 2 is short, but it's an execution heavy climb. Not the worst in Mega Man history, though. Stage 3 can be short with a shortcut, but it's a gauntlet

[frigid hill]

Oh good, now it gets difficult

[devout saddle]

Get ready :)

Stage 2 did kill me a bunch, and I just restarted since I wanted to save my retries for X

[frigid hill]

Not entirely sure I can beat Phantom at this point lol. Feels like I’m close to figuring out the patterns

[tough skiff]

Just starting this a bit late, anything I should know going into this game?

[devout saddle]

yeah

level up your weapons in the first stage after rescuing ciel, in the purple infinitely respawning poles

don't give up on missions if you die, actual "give up" option, it will fail the mission, but keep the story rolling

if you need any tips and tricks just hit me up

[tough skiff]

I appreciate it 🙂

[nova oar]

If you care about rank, don't level the weapons at the poles during the first mission. Use the trans server to go back to the intro stage and hang out near one of those spider nests with a couple of grunts that spawn. Then fiddle around there to level things. That area is inaccessible when you return for another mission.

[frigid hill]

Finally beat Phantom and now I’ve got to diffuse bombs? I hate this game. Might be where I tap out

[olive loom]

That is the worse part of the game, if you can push through it

[nova oar]

If the bombs are enough to convince you to genuinely quit, you also have the option to just leave the factory and head all the way left. It counts as a failed mission, but lets you continue the game iirc

[devout saddle]

you could also die to phanton and just hit give up

[dawn grail]

The second phase of X keeps kicking my butt

[devout saddle]

it's not easy

watch the hands

shows what move he is gonna do

the fire one is the one you have to watch out for, deals half your HP in damage

(besides falling in the hole)

[dawn grail]

Yeah, the fire keeps getting me

Stupid Fire

Good to know about the hands. Thanks.

[devout saddle]

gotta stay on the walls when he does the fire

he usually does NOTHING while the fire is there

so you can shoot chareged shots on his head

as soon as the fire is gone, leave the walls, he will prob to the stun thing and you will fall lol

[sonic vapor]

All right, ||charged saber|| makes Aztec Falcon a snap

[nova oar]

That's why immediately grinding up exp for the saber and buster is always my go'to move. ait only takes 15ish minutes when you get a good line down in that intro stage revisit. And pays off in spades

[sonic vapor]

15 minutes to upgrade them to max or until you can charge them up?

[nova oar]

Until I can charge them. The exp gap from there to max is kind of large and has sort of diminishing returns IMO. Regular charge takes 2 seconds, faster charge takes 1.5. Scenarios where that 0.5 second gap makes a difference are situational. Especially if you're using the R button to charge the buster

[sonic vapor]

I definitely notice the difference in charge time on the saber, but it's not a huge issue in the Aztec Falcon fight specifically

[nova oar]

With how long iframes last and the ability to charge 2 weapons it really does become less important, for me at least

But I've also spent a fair bit of time with the series over the years

[sonic vapor]

Anyway I've cleared a few levels but oof this game puts up a fight

[nova oar]

100% yes. Which made learning it that much more satisfying. Similar to how learning Devil May Cry felt

[devout saddle]

that will do to most bosses lel

with elementals, even more so

[forest fox]

I somehow never got the other weapons 🤔

Someone told me to talk to the old man but he just always said the same stuff

[azure relic]

@devout saddle
ZX finished.
Vent's story is funny. Boiling down to "Fuck you, You aint Mega Man."
Eventually I'll do another run to see how Aile's differs

[iron edge]

It’s not the old man. ||it’s the dude in the bottom right room of the base. Looks like a regular soldier, but in a room. ||

I’ve made it to the boss rush. 4 down so far.

[forest fox]

Ooooh

Never talked to him, haha

[sonic vapor]

So I've been playing the GBA version. What version are the other folks here playing?

ngl I wouldn't mind Save Assist, but save states do basically the same thing I guess

[devout saddle]

GBA normal

[cold bramble]

Played through GBA spamming save states

[olive loom]

I played GBA

[minor hemlock]

I give up

[devout saddle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/never-give-up-matsuoka-shuzo-UiZpBJIwdJ34k

what's the problem G

maybe there are tips and tricks to share

[azure relic]

PASSSSYYYYY

Hahaha
I forgot
“You have to save her!!!!!”
zero does one single saber strike
The robot holding Ceil

https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground-yamcha-sleeping-gif-15816799

[azure relic]

Elephant man down.

[azure relic]

Dude something about the sub area / Leviathan fight tilts me

I normally love water levels in Mega Man but i know this would ever stop me from trying a s-rank run again

[deep hinge]

I do not remember this gaming being so hard when I played it as a kid

[static cove]

Probably didn’t have just a month to beat it either

More like 11 months because we only got games at Christmas/birthdays

[devout saddle]

yeah I kinda hate it, it's not hard, but the spikes makes me play so slow

[azure relic]

Okay. Wrapped up the bomb difuse mission. Need to break as this is not a friendly game for a Miyoo mini. My dash finger is hurting

Base is evacuating. If I remember, I'm prettyclose to the end, no?

[nova oar]

Yeah. Just the final Neo Arcadia stages left. 1 is long since it's basically 3 mini stages in one. 2 is shorter, but it's a climb. Classic MM and X climb levels have been harder, though. Then the relight stage

[azure relic]

LOL the fucking vanishing walls got me

I forgot they disappear (to then try and attack you)
Went to jump and immediately jumped to my death lol

[iron pelican]

Almost done with this, feeding all the elves and getting all S ranks.

For those who still need place to farm crystals, the best places are:

Underground lab (BEFORE the 'retrieve data' mission): keep destroying the spiders the spider nest spits out
Desert (AFTER both the 'Find Shuttle' and 'Duel in the Desert' (where you meet Fefnir) missions: The sand snakes only drop energy crystals. Go the very end of the stage, where you find the crashed copter, there's a line of snakes nearby. Farm. If you get weak, the vulture nearby only drop life crystals.

I finds the spiders to be better, so either leave the retrieve data mission as late as possible, or do all the grinding needed before that mission. I think 24k crystals is enough.

[amber matrix]

I’m on the 2nd form of the final boss and I couldn’t without save states

[iron edge]

I didn’t even use the elves.

[devout saddle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/motivationalgif-xT4uQCnq6bDx8itLhK

[nova oar]

X's second form isn't too bad once you learn the attacks. They're just pretty punishing as you learn them

[amber matrix]

I see the light at the end of the tunnel

[amber matrix]

Done! No more 😂

[amber matrix]

I just fired up zero 2 to see how it compares and wow what an improvement, I also love how the menu hi starts out as a busted version of the first game until you get rescued by the resistance!

[nova oar]

Now give Zero 3 a quick go a d prepare to be really impressed

[azure relic]

@devout saddle

https://x.com/zu_mame

高木 (@zu_mame) on X

肥満

X

[devout saddle]

Looks so fucking good 😩

[nova oar]

Are they statues or figurines?

[azure relic]

Model kits, and I think they are custom made from spare parts/panting/sculpting

Could be wrong, but that was my understanding from the twitter

[nova oar]

I'd believe the custom part. They're done well, but if you look close it looks like the unique parts for each character sort of lack some detail like contours and whatnot that the parts from the actual kits have.

Stuff like the wings on Harpuia's helmet, Fafnir's weapon and upper body armor, Shadow's mask

There's a good MMZ from Kotobukiya, but it's a bit low on surface details

I bought the 2 Eastern Model kits. Smaller model kit companies can be hit or miss for quality, but these were great

The poses are basic and weird since they're only loosely held together for the test fitting. I still need to disassemble and paint them

[devout saddle]

turn x enjoyer

[iron pelican]

Custom made model kits, known as 'Garage kits'. I have one of Storm Eagle, made of 'moveable resin', but need to get some generic joints for it before I assemble it and paint it. Quality varies, and the resin bits are doubly more fragile than the materials used in the official kits, but for characters that will never get a figure, these are a god send.

[nova oar]

I really hope you know the ins and outs of the respiratory safety precautions for working with resin. Resin dust is scary dangerous.

[nova oar]

Guilty as charged.

[iron pelican]

I am considering just getting someone else to paint it when the time comes. For now, it's chilling in the box, waiting for me to order the joints.

It also already coloured resin, it just needs the details.

[nova oar]

That would be a wise decision if you aren't set up with a mask with proper filters and a ventilation booth. I forget the specific detailed explanation for exactly why resin dust is bad for your lungs. But I recall that it is very, very dangerous to breath in. 2k gloss paint is something else someone needs to be very careful with because of isocyanate safety. I'm set up for using that regularly on the kits I work with and I still refuse to touch resin.

[iron pelican]

Noted, definitely paying someone else to do it then. Thank you for the warning.

[nova oar]

NP. Back when I spent a lot of time in one of the big gunpla servers there'd always be people popping in casually working with the stuff with no safety measures in place, so that warning is all reflex at this point. Not enough people/places that sell those parts communicate the proper safety needs clearly enough. Probably afraid it'd hurt sales

[fleet saffron]

X's second form is beating my ass, any tips on how to avoid the attack where he spams yellow projectiles?

I am trying to beat the game with no save states (gba version) and I already lost count of the amount of times I went through the boss rush, I think I can beat all those 8 bosses with my eyes closed at this point

[nova oar]

Watch a speedrun to see where they stand or jump to

[devout saddle]

I just tank that thing lol, if you get to him with like 7 or 8 lives you can put rng it, and ofc needs to beat the rush and first form with full health

It's his least damaging move

If you charge saber with ice chip on him he dies fast

[tough skiff]

This game was awesome. I wish i has this in my childhood

[devout saddle]

It really is!

Very different from MMX, but not in a super bad way I think

Just leveling up weapons kinda suck

[lunar bluff]

I played this one and partway thru mmz2 when they were out, i should go back and play thru the whole series

[devout saddle]

You really should, they improve a lot every entry

[tiny island]

I played MMZ as a kid, it was my first real introduction to the Mega Man series, it and Battle Network 1 which I got at the same time iirc.

God I died so many times in this game.

[devout saddle]

it's not easy if you're not aclimmated to the series already

[tiny island]

The only saving grace as a kid was the fact that you can Escape from basically every mission to get to the end of the game lmao

[devout saddle]

huge speedrun tech lmao

[azure relic]

@devout saddle
So, ||Model A is just Axl then?||

[nova oar]

Keep playing 😉

[sonic vapor]

fuck this Phantom guy

[devout saddle]

keep playaaaaang 😃

[devout saddle]

at least he is at the begginign of the stage lel

[devout saddle]

also keep em posted, love me some ZXA

first run did blow my mind back in the day lel

[nocturne whale]

Zero is an honorary member of the trans community.

[azure relic]

Whoops. I apparently haven't been saving. Just game overed trying to do some dumb wall climb stuff and lost 3 hours worth of gameplay lol

I'm back before the first mission

[devout saddle]

I think now you can skip the cutscenes tho

at least to get to where you were

[azure relic]

Yeah. I did this once or twice with ZX but never this much time lol

It FEELS like a game that should be auto saving so I think my brain goes "mission complete. it saved"

[devout saddle]

naw it should give you a password after every boss 😎

but yeah it auto saves some stuff, but not progress

it auto saves your cutscene for some reason lel

[devout saddle]

also how did you like model A?

[azure relic]

It's a neat concept. Being able to ||Change into enemy mavericks is pretty cool. But so far, I'd rather just stay in model A when I can||
The homing multi target missile thing is nice.

But good god damn, do I hate this:

I'm getting really sick of this being their only vertical platforming design

Wait sorry

Like its fine, but I'm just tired of seeing it

[devout saddle]

lmao

tower of verdure hours

friend of mine did a ||"boss only"|| run, had to get really creative with that one lel

[azure relic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Megaman/s/yy7SmZCguC
the best tier list Ive ever seen

[devout saddle]

big if true

[azure relic]

"x7 has no doors so its the worst mega man game" is sending me

[devout saddle]

feels like "correct conclusion, wrong path" lmao

[pastel swallow]

Decided to finally start participating and oof my skills may be lacking for this one but working through it.

[devout saddle]

it's all about practice big dawg

[dawn grail]

https://youtu.be/_UMIcM66S1M

[azure relic]

@devout saddle @nova oar
Forgot to say, when the ||Sage trinity ||is introduced
i basically looked at ||Albert|| like this

||Aint no way a man named albert doesn’t turn out to be the bad guy||.
Hope I’m right

[nova oar]

Let us know some thoughts as you keep going

I'm not saying a thing

[sonic vapor]

protecc factory is brutal

[devout saddle]

Prob the most complained about mission lel

[devout saddle]

Each of their names is a reference || to an older character from the series :) ||

[wheat sluice]

As someone who never played megaman, this was not an enjoyable experience. I think I’m spoiled by modern platforming.

[devout saddle]

not a super good one to start tbf

[wheat sluice]

Ya, so it seems. I don’t mind the lead up to the bosses as much, but it feels like you have to be super precise with your jumps and dashes in bosses to not get walloped.

Got too used to silksong where it’s not so zoomed in 😅

[azure relic]

Also for what its worth. classic, X and zero all play different with X and Zero being the closest, but the stage design/enemy design has different ideology

Zero series is generally best enjoyed on a second or third playthrough because you can melt bosses after you’ve had time to master each games movement/weapons

[nova oar]

MMZ was absolutely a game made for people who'd already cut their teeth on and mainlined MMX1-5 specifically

[sonic vapor]

Hmm. Yep I'm on the last three missions

I have seven lives. Let's hope it's enough

I should probably prep some cyber elves just in case. I haven't used any yet but

It's too late in the month to be too proud to sacrifice some Tamagotchis

Oh hey just got a new weapon in time for the endgame and a little too late to train it up

Let's see. I've got three elves that can boost my max HP, and like 2200 or so crystals

I'll keep them in my back pocket I guess

[sonic vapor]

Neo Arcadia Core let's go

[azure relic]

YOu got this!

[sonic vapor]

...

Now seriously considering a double health elf and packing full heal elves

...

The fuck

this bloody level

...

[nova oar]

Level 1 is 3 mini levels with 3 bosses. Level 2 is a climb, but shorter. 3 is the boss rush

[sonic vapor]

||and of course using an extra life starts you off at the first phase of the final fight||

Yeah I'm on 3

Should I be using a different weapon from my Z Saber? I use it for almost everything

[nova oar]

It's fine. Just equip the ice chip

And watch a vid of how someone takes out phase 2. The yellow laser waves are the hardest IMO

[sonic vapor]

Getting clapped by the first phase here still. I gotta work on that

[nova oar]

Ah. That one's easy once you figure out the flow

[sonic vapor]

These rebound shots are killer

Also pls let me skip dialogue on retry

[nova oar]

Get a hit in when he air dashes. Stay on the floor or wall the ice shot hits since it spreads outward. Fire has an Arc. Lightning tracks but it's slow. Non elemental is a bog standard X shot pattern

Jump over and get a hit in when he ground dash attacks

Otherwise, it's pick your spot and range depending on the element he's using

[sonic vapor]

I do not have my shit together tonight

[nova oar]

X is a very execution heavy boss

[sonic vapor]

OK, got through the first phase with more than half my health. Time to be open to using my heal elf

...nope

[nova oar]

I was expecting that reaction

[sonic vapor]

All right, out of lives. Time to get back to work, then I can break open the elves later tonight

[nova oar]

YouTube is your friend here if you want to skip a ton of trial and error

[sonic vapor]

Probably not the worst idea

[nova oar]

It's mainly to see how to deal with his 3 attacks. Cause that's all he has if you're not high ranked

The yellow laser spray and the immobilization rings are the main obstacles

[sonic vapor]

tfw I don't have enough crystals for the double vitality elf

[nova oar]

flame floor isn't bad when you figure out the timing. Basically a free hit

Ice chip means he goes down in either 6 or 8 hits, I think

[sonic vapor]

...so pack three heal elves, got it

[nova oar]

There's a good EC grinding spot in the desert near the tank, for in a pinch

[sonic vapor]

Actually I do have enough crystals for the double defense elf it looks like. Maybe I should try that one

[sonic vapor]

There. Limped through the final battle with Shelter and three heal elves. Rest in peace Shelter, Fureff, Greff, Ireff. (Those last three might be inexact; can't check their names on a mission)

[nova oar]

RIP

Fwiw, the devs learned a lot and applied it to Zero 2

Zero 1 has some fantastic bones

And some ideas that didn't quite hit

Then we got Zero 3, which was peak

Zero 4 was also good and a lot consider it as good as 3. I personally prefer 3, but love 4 as well

[sonic vapor]

Do all the Zero games have the same power-up structure where they penalize score and are narratively discouraged?

[nova oar]

I believe 2 does, but you get new outfits/forms that change your stats a bit. 3 introduces equippable parts that let you do more without penalty. Like an invincible dash, faster charge, etc. And 4 lets you equip elves up to a point without penalty based on a level you grow as you beat stages.

It basically gets more lenient as it goes on

[quiet jolt]

Man, I tried to play this game. Haha I don't even really know what level I'm on but I have one life left and I think I'm gonna call this month a bust.

Maybe I should just try playing the X series first. I've only dabbled a couple times with them along with trying the original games.

[azure relic]

3 includes satellite elves that orbit you and arent consumed but still has traditional elves as well

[sonic vapor]

Glad to hear the later ones let you have some powerups they don't make you feel bad about using

[cyan wadi]

Just finished. It's a fine game, but like all Mega Man games the good ones have minimal or no character dialog. And this one fails hard in this aspect. It was cool slicing things in half though

[sour bane]

I tried to beat it with no savestates and failed to finish it by end of month just for the final boss!!

Dammit, ||I've got 8 lifes at Neo Arcadia save point and memorized all bosses' patterns by now but can't get to X final form with enough life (and brain stamina lol) to learn its moves!||

I'm a but bummed out but I'll get to it at some point, I'm just a little burned out at the moment and I need a change of pace.

Good next month everyone!

[sonic vapor]

That's the part where I sucked it up and used elves.

[sour bane]

I wasn't against using elves as a matter of fact, they're just not enough for me at the moment 😅 😋