Mangmi Pocket Max

[cursive glacier]

a couple of months back

hopefully the entire anbernic 7 will get it

[digital igloo]

Any performance/ stability /compatibility gain over stock? Or just more QOL stuff

[obsidian granite]

Wow !
Did not know it can play some PS3

[cursive glacier]

about 3dmark gains, he's been posting in https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1440470840373153862

[cursive glacier]

more misses than hits but it can play some ps3

[obsidian granite]

Stability went from poop to the 90s with GammOS

[obsidian granite]

I wouldn’t expect playing PS3 but consider it a added bonus, not expecting GOW 3 or anything but neat to see nevertheless

[cursive glacier]

gow3 doesn't even work on 8 elite I think

at 100% anyway

[obsidian granite]

Still pretty cool seeing any PS3

[cursive glacier]

the easy to run games work well on d8300, I'd say that

vf5, ridge racer

[vast coral]

they're not gonna go 60hz lcd as the oled crowd would probably track them down and kill them in their sleep if they dared dream small 😄

[digital igloo]

What happen to oled bad in domestic market 😆 ?

Think even ayaneo need reverse their marketing for the next 2

Btw, is this the same panel as the Evo? If yes, was that using DC dimming (for the higher brightness range at least)?

[obsidian granite]

It’s 800 nits and you would burn your eyeballs out needing Max brightness

[frail summit]

Man they should just sell the 8300 devices with GammaOS already installed

That could make them worth their steep price tag

For the most part anyways

[obsidian granite]

I been saying they should just hire him to do software

[frail summit]

Pay him royalties or hiring works

Cuz they'd be nothing software wise without him

Anbernic really screwed the pooch with the 8300 devices

Their only winner seems to be the 477M. And maybe now the V

[obsidian granite]

They always had shitty/Janky android builds

[ionic tartan]

Word

I have been saying this since t618 days

[frail summit]

557 is just

It had issues but once it got over them it was a fine option

Then the G2 released

And we never heard about the 557 again

[vast coral]

I get the impression this guy doesn't like anbernic 😄

[frail summit]

I like them for what they can be

Not for what they are

In other words Anbernic is just Potential man

[daring solstice]

Anbernics are hardware heavily restricted by crappy software

That the community has to fix almost everytime

[frail summit]

The community carries Anbernic software

[frail summit]

Like I can't think of another "high end-ish" android device that's more dead than this thing

I'd ask where 558? But I'm so fucking scared.

[daring solstice]

Like for as much as we say this thing will DOA if its 200+, I highly doubt it will be more dead than the 557 or the ARC

[frail summit]

557 is dead because it became irrelevant. Back then we didn't have as many options around 200-250ish price.

It struggled to compete then and now he's just buried.

Like

The only time i could theoretically recommend a 557 is if you don't like the other options or if you got a really good deal.

[daring solstice]

And at least with the Pocket Max, I can see this carving a niche as a strong version of the G-Cloud at a more affordable(ish) price bracket

[vast coral]

if you're scared of a handheld, might need to make some priorities 😄

but yeah, this Pocket Max going to be interesting

[frail summit]

Im only scared since knowing Anbernic trends

A 558 would be 300 minimum

[daring solstice]

Really the Pocket Max sits nicely between the G-Cloud and Odin 2 Portal in terms of specs. Lets just hope it does so in terms of price

[vast coral]

then we don't buy it and let it burn not exactly a difficult decision here on our end 🙂

[north flower]

The specs mangmi, what are the specs

[frail summit]

Well it's an 865

That's all I got

[obsidian granite]

This is all we know so far

[daring solstice]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a similar or the same panel as the Evo, but tweaked

[dusty rain]

seems to be the Evo panel

would also line up with Mangmi allegedly being former Ayaneo employees, they probably have the connections

[still ember]

They display all the specifications for the screen but never reveal the soc ???

[frail summit]

The screen is the selling point

Thats why

[still ember]

Seem that the display, 7 inches , 144hz oled is more important than the soc. Seem they target this handheld for PC streaming.

[north flower]

That's what I'm saying, its like the third time they've showed the screen info

[frail summit]

Its very attractive for those that like streaming

I do not

[dusty rain]

I mean, if it's indeed a SD865 that is sufficient for like 80% of the people interested in emulation

everyone else can just get a Portal

[obsidian granite]

I'll be OK for a SD 865 in the $150 -$180 range over $200 there are better options

[frail summit]

Yea

On the Pocket Max if its 200+ you're only paying for the screen and streaming capability

If you want performance you'll have to look elsewhere

[deep vector]

I'm hoping it's $200 and under

[obsidian granite]

We all are

[deep vector]

865 is 6 years old and while still capable

There's a lot better chips

Definitely getting one regardless

[dusty rain]

if it even comes remotely close to $200, just grab a Portal

[deep vector]

Yeah

Especially with the $30 off code

[dusty rain]

Mangmi has to price it right, or it will end up like the Thor Lite... non existent

[frail summit]

What're are options for performance now for the 200 or so price range?

The RP6 is months away for everyone else now

Do we all worship the G2 now?

If you say Konkr I swear

[daring solstice]

RP6 is months away, G2 is available, but everyone will tell you to wait for the 6 (nah fam), anything comparable are 250-300+, and the Konkr is around but shipping is a mess rn with Ayaneo even with customs

[obsidian granite]

Didn't AyaNeo start shipping some G3 fits ?

[frail summit]

It damn near negligible amount

[frail summit]

Welp

Looks like it's back to the G2 and 557

Shit.

[daring solstice]

Only thing around that I know of are the RP5, Flip 2, Mini V2, 476H

[digital igloo]

Rg477v

[deep vector]

That's just being impatient

[frail summit]

Either G2 or 557 are good enough for my needs

[deep vector]

It doesn't make any sense when you can pay $10 more to get a more powerful device

[frail summit]

If that were a sport I'd be an Olympic champion

10 bucks cant really buy months of wait

[deep vector]

Only if you have to have a device now

[frail summit]

I do not

Only original hardware

[daring solstice]

Im not buying any of these lmao, I have a RP Mini im fine wirh

[frail summit]

Its me thats fucked

[deep vector]

I might get the 6

Haven't decided yet

[frail summit]

Tell us about it in about 6 months o7

[daring solstice]

All the stuff with the 6 p much put me off the RP6 rn. Plus at that point, i rather just wait for a portal or a thor if I want a 8 gen 2 again

[frail summit]

Redesign, the longer wait period

Goddamn it retroid

[deep vector]

My main issue with the redesign is that they removed the bottom button yet didn't make the screen any bigger

[daring solstice]

It looks to much like the RP5 and G2, which already kinda wasn't my favorite design

[frail summit]

Well for stick top options my only real choice is the 557

The G2 is the same design as the 5 and it's not a favorite of mine to say the least

Performance of the 8300 and G2 seem to be comparable. So there's that.

[vital brook]

You know , if they slapped a Gen2 that would be nice

[frail summit]

I don't think they would be able to

[vital brook]

They must be deciding on the Soc 😅
SD865 is quite capable but old and you know the drill

Gen3 is perfect but they must price it accordingly and we'll have " It's a very new company and i won't pay that much "

[frail summit]

I don't think there's gonna be much focus on the SoC since it looks to be mainly for streaming

[deep vector]

I guess if we're lucky, they'll have multiple tiers for the Pocket Max

[vital brook]

I know i'm in the minority but i don't like streaming super high end pc games on these devices 😬 Stuff like Battlefield 6 must be played on a pc with a mouse , but that's me. I love emulating older pc titles though

[frail summit]

I dont do streaming to begin with

[vital brook]

Me neither

[frail summit]

So that's another pro lost on me

Goddamn it is it really gonna be between the G2 and 557 for me again? I thought I was done with those 2 weeks ago

[vital brook]

I don't really see the point ( for me ) . I have the pc , the LED lights , the chair lol I'll play in front of my pc
Handhelds are for emulation , emulating the Switch on this thing would be amazing because of the screen

[frail summit]

Well for me I don't have a PC so I can't do streaming

I do have a PS4 tho

I more or less tried it with my Vita and thought it was very meh

[deep vector]

You can use GeForce Now and Boosteroid on it

[frail summit]

Would rather play on the actual console

[deep vector]

The 144hz is going to be nice through GeForce

[vital brook]

I'll tell you , given the state of modern gaming you're not missing much. I have a high end pc for music production and i use steam on it for fun. Last game i actually had fun with was Silksong, an indie

[frail summit]

Well I never had much interest in PC gaming anyway

[vital brook]

I think you would enjoy emulating older games like Dead Space , Tomb Raider 2013 , The Masterchief Collection ... there's a sense of awesomeness emulating pc games but i understand you. I actually have way more fun playing GC / PS2 on these handhelds

[frail summit]

GC PS2 and Wii is my main focus

With Switch as a bonus

[frail summit]

I should be fine with the G2 or 557

[vital brook]

Same , throw WiiU and Switch in there too
Finished so many Switch games on the 406V lol Now i want to emulate it on something better lol

[deep vector]

Tomb Raider 2013 is getting an Android port

[vital brook]

By WiiU i mean , MK8 and Zelda

[vital brook]

Now we're talking

[frail summit]

Sweet

[deep vector]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.feralinteractive.tombraider_android&pcampaignid=web_share

Just got announced this morning

[obsidian granite]

It would , I've been saying a G2 gen 2 would be a nice fit for this and still should be relatively cheap of we go by the RP5 G2

[obsidian granite]

This game is like 10 years old at this point , Im guessing its the first game in the latest series

[deep vector]

It's the first game of the Reboot

Still impressive nonetheless

[vital brook]

It's a good game tbh Imo the best of the reboot series

[obsidian granite]

Oh no don't get me wrong it is and I finished it but Apple is taking all the left over scraps from 10 years ago and just porting them over , your hardware is pretty capable Apple how about something from 2025

[north flower]

It's probably because it got a switch port recently

[deep vector]

I can see Resident Evil Requiem get an iOS port

[vital brook]

The Odin 2 / RP6 must be capable of emulating it tbh
There's people emulating Prime 4 on the Portal already lol

[digital igloo]

A crap port it seems

[vital brook]

It is the Switch

[deep vector]

Switch port is fine

It's just based on the PS3 version instead of the Definitive Edition

[digital igloo]

Nothing to do with the switch capability, just a terrible port, and it's available for switch 2 as well

Yes, and even looks worse/suffer cutback compared to the 360/ps3 in some areas

[tough fulcrum]

Just take random chances at buying an Odin 3, eventually you'll skip the IGG line and get it

[frail summit]

Yea sure lets see how much it costs

[tough fulcrum]

Like 3 a day

[tough fulcrum]

592 for the ultra and accessories, shipped with 4px

It's stupid expensive

[frail summit]

How about the base

[tough fulcrum]

$329 before shipping

[frail summit]

Well its about 340 before shipping since I added the soft pouch and screen protector

If I can just remove THIS FUCKASS WORRY FREE PROTECTION

[tough fulcrum]

Yeah that's a little annoying

[frail summit]

This little shit doesn't go away

Well 300+ is already out of my budget

But I suppose entertaining the idea was fun

[ionic tartan]

🤣🤣

[frail summit]

I'll just get the Pocket Max and be over it

In the coming months that is

[ionic tartan]

You know g2 gen 2 on pocket max would be yhhhhh serious

[ionic tartan]

Sorry 329

[frail summit]

G2 Gen 2 priced around the Pocket G2 and that's a winner

They should be showing us the actual specs very soon considering they've already shown the screen like 3 fucking times

[sterile siren]

I dont get why they went with that soc. For local streaming the latency will be higher than most newer qualcom chips. I dont get it

[frail summit]

That's probably like the one thing they can do to keep the cost down while also giving good performance

Other options went out the window when they gave it an oled 7" 144hz screen

[daring solstice]

The G2 gen 2 would've fueled the fire more of "Why not just buy and Odin 2 for slightly more?"

[frail summit]

Difference between the G2 and 8 Gen 2 performance wise is afaik fairly negligible

Assuming the price is around 200+ the Portal is about 100 bucks more

[obsidian granite]

Never mind you said Odin 2 when I thought you said Portal , my bad

[frail summit]

And the Pocket Max looks to be made to undermine the Portal

[ionic tartan]

Odin 2 you only get the max version on their website

Even tho second hand odin 2 is like 260 to 220

[frail summit]

Damn that's true

I guess they ran out of the refurbished maxs

[daring solstice]

I mean to say the Portal lol, but the OG 2 works as well

[frail summit]

In that case the Pocket Max would still be preferable even if it had a G2

[ionic tartan]

Yh soon when odin 3 comes more then odin 2 will be gone

[frail summit]

It'd likely be cheaper while having on par specs and nice display

[solemn hollow]

No point in discussing the soc now, unless they do something dramatic, we're stuck with a 865 now

[frail summit]

I think the 865 chip the PM might have is how they'll keep the price down

[still ember]

Look at how pocket max proudly announce their screen specification but soc is not announced seem to point that soc will not be the highlight of this handheld which seem to point at using S865.

[mild hollow]

It’s a bigger rp5 with stick top or an
Upgraded g cloud
Either way, it’s a winner in my book

[solemn hollow]

Yeah, PS2 and Gamecube would look fantastic on this!

[ionic tartan]

Yep yep

[paper bronze]

The 7in oled panel is bound to be $100-$150 alone no way in fuck is it $150 unless they know a guy that knows a guy that can get it real cheap which is unlikely bc oleds are not something anyone sells for cheap

[deep vector]

There's no way the panel is $100

Y'all are overestimating the price

[dusty rain]

the panel is at worst 40bucks

and I highly doubt even that much

[daring solstice]

Im thinking between 60 - 80 bucks

But even then

If they are using possible contacts from their Ayaneo days, they could get it cheaper still

[frail summit]

The device is $200+

[dusty rain]

you guys are thinking in consumer prices too much, no manufacturer is paying remotely close to $100 per panel, and then they also have quite some discount if they buy in huge numbers

[daring solstice]

Also bigger panels at 1080p aren't that uncommon

[paper bronze]

Nah its about a $100 panel buying in bulk

If it was only 60hz it would be like $70-$80

[distant sigil]

alost every budget phone has 6.8" 120hz oled panels

you're overestimating prices a lot, the defference between a 7" lcd and 7" oled is <$15, probably $10

[lost raptor]

I hope Feral doesn't lock the high-end settings to a config file

[frail summit]

What's the likelihood of that happening

[lost raptor]

Zero

[frail summit]

Gud

[lost raptor]

I hope they port the other games though since Tomb Raider 2013 is VERY stable with Gamehub and Winlator. It's not as exciting for me personally, but I'll take as many high profile games as we can get natively on Android.

[deep vector]

Same, I want to be able to max out everything

[lost raptor]

It drives me nuts because GRID Legends is so limited out of the box. The SD 8 Elite Gen 5 barely breaks a sweat playing it

[frail summit]

So when we get to the point where a device might sport that chip how much would it cost?

Based on chipset alone

[lost raptor]

I don't think it would cost much more than the current round of SD 8 Elite devices (not counting the whole memory pricing issue right now)

The phones have been around the same prices as the prior gen when those launched

[frail summit]

sighs

[slender bear]

Lol, come me on guys, I dont even think the consumer price is $100 per the 7" oled panel.

[paper bronze]

You all seriously think these handheld companies have the same purchasing power as phone companies? Yeah dont make me laugh

[dusty rain]

you are still massively overestimating the price of the panel

[stray estuary]

how about weight?

[frail summit]

If i had to guess probably similar to the Odin 2 Portal

[still ember]

430g

It is focus to be a PC streaming devices.

[frail summit]

What're you gonna get if the Pocket Max doesn't turn out as you wanted?

I'm probably gonna settle for the G2. Maybe the RP6 if I have the patience.

[still ember]

I wish that they use more powerful chipset like 8gen2 or g3gen3. But is it possible. selling around 230-250. that will be game changer.

[stray estuary]

$150 - 865

$230 - 250 - 8 gen 2

and i will buy it, i need a 32-bit support chip

8gen3, g2gen2, g3gen3 not support 32-bit and i can't install pesedit for my favorite game pes2013

[still ember]

This will be great.

[stray estuary]

sd865- i can play at 1080p

8gen2- i can play at 2k

[runic lance]

RG476H launched at $165

[stray estuary]

Just my wish — it’ll probably not be cheap. Anbernic’s pricing is a bit high for the specs

But I’ve been using the RG476H, and it’s actually really great. It runs the games I need smoothly, stays cool, has good battery life, and a sharp, nice-looking screen

[runic lance]

$200 is the very minimum for a 865

[stray estuary]

Prices will change anyway. Who knows, Mangmi might create the next hit after the Air X. For those who managed to get the Air X at around $80, that’s honestly an amazing deal

The RP6 with Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 is only $209 for the pre-order, so we can also hope for a good price on the Pocket Max if it uses the SD865, right?

No matter how I put it, it might still sound biased because I have a soft spot for Mangmi. I pre-ordered the Air X and even got a surprise freebie — a protective case. Everything was well put together and left me really satisfied

[runic lance]

I feel like retroid only got that good of a deal because they got in bed with QC to showcase/promote their G2Gen2

Something tells me mangmi doesn’t have the resources to be that competitive

[frail summit]

Full price now

Early bird ended

[fossil iris]

Wouldn't a used z1e ally be perfect? Slap steamOS and have emudeck they are cheaper than portals since you need an all in one and you don't have a pc so this device is pretty useless as it's mainly a streaming device

[frail summit]

Sure whats the price tag

[fossil iris]

Check your local market place

Wouldn't be surprised if there's units sub 300usd

[frail summit]

Gave ebay a little looksie

Some around 320-350

[fossil iris]

I got a used one with a 2tb SSD and a case and a dock for 420USD

[frail summit]

Its not bad at all

[fossil iris]

Better deals will pop up

[frail summit]

The problem is that I have no experience with pc functions and operations

[fossil iris]

You can snag one with a lil patience for around 300

[frail summit]

Even worse when it comes to emulation

Its why I stick with android since ive been emulating on it for a couple of years now

Thanks for the suggestion though

300 is currently out of my budget but if I save up a bit I can def get one.

[fossil iris]

Yeah z1e price points now is the sweet spot for x86 handhelds, you don't get much performance uplift from z2 products, it's either z1e or Strix halo chips

[frail summit]

Is there like performance tests to see what this thing is made of?

[fossil iris]

I see haha I'm getting into android emulation and it's a big change from being a pc gamer

[frail summit]

Ive got no clue when it comes to computer performance and specs

[fossil iris]

Hmm can't really compare with arm chips side by side but i think it's in-between 8 elite and 8 elite gen 5 at low wattage like 15watts but it can scale up to 35watts for pc games

But arm blows it <15w

[frail summit]

How's the battery life

I heard thats a main concern when it comes to pc handhelds

Its probably dependent on what im doing with it

[fossil iris]

It's meh without a battery mod

[frail summit]

So lets say ps2 emulation for example

[fossil iris]

My upgraded battery is coming in 2 weeks

[frail summit]

You can do a battery mod 👀

[fossil iris]

Yeah you can change the battery, change the SSD from a 2230 to a 2280 as well, you can even upgrade the ram if you have some soldering skills

16gb>32gb

[frail summit]

I think 16gb would be enough for what id want to do with it

[fossil iris]

Yeah don't bother with 32gb, the price isn't worth it

[frail summit]

Whats the upgraded battery? So I can look it up

[fossil iris]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_c2wF4ayV

Basically doubles the battery

I feel like mangmi choosing a 7" oled basically pigeonholed this to a streaming device.

Ate too much budget

120vrr screen with a good panel would be perfect imo, slap a 8 gen 3 and go for 249 early bird

[frail summit]

74wh or the 77.4

[frail summit]

I mean yea sort of

If its meant to undercut the Odin 2 Portal at around 200 bucks or so it'll be pretty good. If marketed as a cheaper Portal alternative

[fossil iris]

Both are the same imo I've heard of people getting the 74wh and testing showed it to be near 80

[frail summit]

74 it is

[fossil iris]

Portal 12gb is 399

[fossil iris]

Yeah 77 was OOS I bought the 74 one

[frail summit]

The Pocket Max looks to be 200 or so

Thats about $190 less

[fossil iris]

Yeah that processor is DOA for me. I travel for work so I need local power, don't stream

It has it's use case, just not for me

[frail summit]

I mean 865 is probably the one spot they had left to cut costs

[fossil iris]

The package is nice, screen, tmr sticks etc for a streaming device it's a banger

[frail summit]

Its unfortunate since id take a good lcd if it meant a better processor

[fossil iris]

Yeah there aren't cheap 7inch+ options

[frail summit]

This could fill that spot

If priced correctly

[fossil iris]

Yes no bad product just bad pricing.

[frail summit]

However Mangmi seems content in strategically starving us of actual specs and pricing.

[frail summit]

The Anbernic way

[fossil iris]

Maybe a pro version might come up in the future 😉

Probably by then, O3P would be announced lol

[fossil iris]

Timing would have been great if they could have delivered this for the holidays, a mid cycle refresh for the portal , cheaper with a vrr screen and a 8 gen 3

[frail summit]

I'm just glad there's a new company out there thats willing to through their weight around with the big kids

[fossil iris]

If they have a pro version O3P will likely kill it, unless they undercut heavily

[fossil iris]

Yes, let's hope they stick around

[frail summit]

Anbernic is more or less out of the race since their high end line is just meh

[fossil iris]

Was really interested in this as I saw the glowing reviews of the air X. :/

[frail summit]

Meh and overpriced. Not a great combo

[fossil iris]

At least there's Konkr now

Whether you count it as Aya or not

[frail summit]

Konkr practically exists only in spirit

3 shipments a day

[frail summit]

Probably gonna count it as Aya until more devices are released under the Konkr name

[fossil iris]

Yeah I'm happy with my ally. Will probably stick with it till medusa halo comes out. Then make the switch and ditch the PC.

[frail summit]

Most of the 350 or less Z1E lisitings on ebay seem to be auctions

At least on ebay

[fossil iris]

FB marketplace?

[frail summit]

Haven't looked anywhere else

[frail summit]

I'll give it a whirl

Would you recommend FB marketplace over ebay for this sort of thing?

I went on marketplace for a nanosecond and I see listing at around 120

That has to be bullshit

[still ember]

They need option
lite option S865 selling 180-190
g3gen3 option selling 230-240.
And this will be perfect.
The handheld exterior and screen is so good. you need to pair with at least powerful chipset.

[frail summit]

Man I wish they would

And I know if said this a million time but power doesn't at all seem to be the focus

So for streaming the 865 would both suffice and be the one spot where they can keep the price down

[still ember]

Anbernic always loads roms on their sd card and they know they cannot compete. They focus on 4:3 aspect ratio. Clueless people who IT skills not great can buy Anbernic devices.

[fossil iris]

Either one works, I used my local marketplace app (Craigslist equivalent). (Not FB marketplace)

Best is if you can confirm if the SD card reader is fried or not

[frail summit]

Yea ive seen a bunch of listing already on ebay about that

[fossil iris]

Mine was fried so he gave me a dock for free, I didn't need the SD card with 2tb

[fossil iris]

G3Gen3 with oled for 240?

Thats too good of a deal

Was thinking 8gen 3 or G3Gen3 with vrr for 249

[ionic tartan]

People is talking about sd865 like it's t820 or something

[still ember]

S865 is an ancient aging chipset.
Pocket Max if i believe it produce one of best oled screen 7inches 144hz. Cannot waste this screen with just S865,
at least 8gen2, 8gen3 or g3gen3.

[frail summit]

It'll still do PS2 GC and Wii upscaled

So it largely depends on use case

If those are the systems you wanna do you'd be fine with an 865

[ionic tartan]

Sd865 is more than enough

[frail summit]

Mainly because the targeted emulation doesn't change or move

PS2 isnt gonna get harder to run just cuz the chip is old

[ionic tartan]

Not everything needs new power but I understand in emulation handhelds being this game since early 2022 technology moves fast every year

Meaning you can get rp6 cheaper than when you got odin 2 in 2023

[frail summit]

we'll have an 8 elite gen 5 next year dawg

[ionic tartan]

🤣🤣🤣

[still ember]

There are still pocket of games that ps2 games struggle like xenosaga 3, sly2 and champion of Norrath.
Switch emulation will be average.
Gamehub may not be so good.

[frail summit]

I mean the RP6 is right around the corner. But I get what you're trying to say

Yes the 865 struggles with some PS2 games. You just want a bit more juice to get it over that bump

That extra juice would be nice to have

But I dont think it'll happen

[still ember]

If they pair it with G3Gen3, odin 2 portal sales may suffer if they release at 240-250.
But if they pair with S865 and sell above 200. it may have the Sales volume they hope for.

[fossil iris]

It's the pairing of the SoC and other parts that makes it a very awkward device. It's like soldering cheap ass outemu switches on a kohaku (if you're a keeb enjoyer)

[north flower]

Okay the 865 is not that bad

You're not going to get the entire switch library but you can get a lot of the first party games, and still do some light winlator

[distant sigil]

865 is still comparable to something like snap 7S gen 4, it's not a bad chip at all.

[stray estuary]

865 and diablo 2 switch

🥸

[vital brook]

How long until the Gen2 / Gen3 are considered trash only good for Nes ?

[solemn hollow]

Lol

[slender bear]

New Retroid Syndrome xD Same thing happened with D1100 when RP5 got announced, suddenly multiple people - including the reviewers changed his opinion from - "Basically a handheld PS2" to "it's weak and can only run some PS2 games" lol

[vast coral]

Never underestimate people being dumb 😄

[slender bear]

But yeah, sd865 should be enough for emulation and streaming. Buuuuut if it's more than $200, imo it's better to buy Odin 2 Portal Base version now or even wait for inevitable discount and to people saying that you need at least PRO version of Odin 2 Portal is not a good argument, as even the base version of O2 will be stronger with the same amount of RAM and runs most of Switch games full speed.

[fossil iris]

Are they still selling the base version? I quoted the 12gb model because the base is crossed out on their website

[paper bronze]

That benchmark score could of just been a test board as far as I know we dont exactly know its gonna be the 865

[slender bear]

Oh, you are right, let's hope they will sell Odin 3 Portal soon 😉

[solemn hollow]

We do know it's gonna be 865.

I can't quote the source tho, cough

[fossil iris]

I hope they increase the battery and cooling solution compared to the Odin 3, 8 elite will need both to stretch it's legs

[fossil iris]

Shame, any hope they get different SoC SKUs?

Reuse the shell and controls

[solemn hollow]

Maybe a plus model down the line.

Rn it's 865

[fossil iris]

Great streaming device, I'll pass on it then

[solemn hollow]

It's gonna release in late jan so it's still time to see what the competition comes up with.

[vital brook]

Consumerism tbh

[paper bronze]

I'm not surprised these devices get into reviewers hands way before so im not surprised it leaked

I'm just waiting on a price before I decide between this or a konkr fit. I know the fit will blow it away with performance but a rightly priced big screen 865 could suit my needs

[fossil iris]

The screen and controls are great, they could probably get it really light since the 865 sips power.

[cursive glacier]

stubbs leaked another one?

[vast coral]

i mean the battery size is already 8000mah 😄 not sure how much more reasonably they can do

[fossil iris]

That's only 30wh, phones are hitting 8k as well. Maybe a 50wh could be possible, 30wh is 2hours of performance for 8 elite (15w)

[distant sigil]

This is steadily evolving into odin 3 overclocking for some reason lol

[fossil iris]

With the 865 chip, I was making the point they could get a smaller battery to lighten the device and save costs since it's going to only be for streaming or low power gaming

[frail summit]

Man atp I'm just waiting till they drop a specs sheet

Either today or tomorrow

[fossil iris]

Did they tease when they would drop it?

[frail summit]

Nope

I heard about it from John Mangmi

[still ember]

Since it is 7 inches, battery should be between 6000 to 8000 Mah. Launch prices for early bird if at 170 will be great.

[dusty rain]

159 or we riot

[vital brook]

If it's 160 we'll burn the entire factory

[hoary knoll]

is the SOC still 865?

[frail summit]

Most likely

[hoary knoll]

I mean its all good with other specs but if its 865 it feels weak

[frail summit]

Theve been showing off the screen as the main selling point

[hoary knoll]

I see

[frail summit]

The processor being secondary

[hoary knoll]

the screen looks overkill

7 OLED 1080P 144hz

[frail summit]

So it'd be great for streaming

[frail summit]

Can still do upscaled PS2

[hoary knoll]

so its more like streaming handheld more

[frail summit]

But you can run into issues for some games

[frail summit]

Yea

[hoary knoll]

yea that was i was thinking

no way all games can run higher than 60fps for 865

[frail summit]

It just needs that little bit more juice to get it over the PS2 hump

[solemn hollow]

All we do is talk about handhelds and barely play anything 😂

865 should be fine as long as you don't wanna do serious gamehub

[hoary knoll]

I wonder if they went G2 Gen2 with Soc and put it under 200$ it would be a banger

[novel spindle]

Ps2 2x-3x gonna look awesome on this device

[hoary knoll]

would kill retroid LOL

[vast coral]

retroid will be banking more on the rp6 than the g2

[solemn hollow]

G2 is a partnered deal rn, so no other company might get that for the time being besides retroid.

[frail summit]

G2 was really to cash in on the holiday rush

[solemn hollow]

Please don't juggle my balls

[frail summit]

Though now with the second batch shipping in March its a lot more appealing for those who want a device now

[novel spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/wii-sports-curling-gif-11142631

[novel spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-no-argue-gif-13066260

[distant sigil]

Ok, david already made up his mind and set himself up for disappointment.

[stone hatch]

Would 860's be any cheaper than an 865 really

[mystic jetty]

Isn't the 860 just a tweaked 855?

[distant sigil]

They're all so old I imagine there's a price floor, so not much price difference.

[livid socket]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-pain-harold-harold-pain-hide-meme-gif-7962146957933466373

[steel spoke]

how i feel when ive completed one project and realize i have another 99 to go

[livid socket]

Me after modding a game and installing all the textures but realize there is always more games to do it for

[fossil iris]

Does retroid sell that many for Qualcomm to design a new chip for them? Or it's just defective chips with fused off die parts rebranded into G2 and G3 chips

[frail summit]

Dawg 9 times outta 10 Retroid whore'd themselves out to Qualcomm to get the G2

I can't think of any other way

[cursive glacier]

G series Qualcomm is so weird. Each model is exclusive to a manufacturer - Ayaneo or Retroid.

[still ember]

You mean G2gen2 and G3gen3 other handheld companies cannot use. Why?
But we all know why anbernic cannot use qualcomm chips.

[slender bear]

When can we expect some more details about it such as price and when pre orders will start?

[sturdy dove]

May i ask Why?

[distant sigil]

It's basically a guess from some forum user, so no confirmation at all. But it seems like qualcomm doesn't work with companies that also ship roms with their devices. Ayaneo, Ayn, Retroid, Mangmi are all shipping without roms.

[still ember]

But Mangmi can use G2 and G3gen3. am i right?

[still ember]

Look at those handheld that ship with roms such as powkiddy, xu, magicX and kinhanks. None of them use qualcomm.

Recent news mentioned powkiddy run into legal issue regarding copyright material. Most of their handhelds now dont come with roms from their website.

[vital brook]

Imagine not doing a deal with Qualcomm just to ship these with roms , adding roms is literally the easiest thing ever.

If the handheld runs on Android you don't even need a pc for it

[still ember]

rumours mention powkiddy got into legal issues with roms on their sd. so it is not a wise move unless you are R36S dont even know what is the company that own this brand?

[still ember]

That are people who dont like IT and they just want to play games and not starting retroarch and download cores. too difficult for them.

That's why RGDS will be doing very well as it cater for this group of users who want their devices to play games on day 1.

[vital brook]

That is correct tbh
Well if they found their niche like that then it's fine
I wish to have a company to compete with Retroid though , we all win from that

[cursive glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[frail summit]

Retroid is usually a lotta bang for the buck so if Mangmi decides they wanna throw their weight around with them we'll be in a pretty good spot as consumers

[vital brook]

Yep , it's good to have one more option in the same price range in the market

[fossil iris]

Yes that's why the pocket max is an awkward but sensible product. Mainly streaming focused. Still would've liked acheap vrr portal equivalent variant tho...

[frail summit]

It's not gonna be bad for emulation if it is an 865.

[fossil iris]

People are still gonna default to retroid if mangmi did a 5.5-6" 8gen2 device even if it's 30$ cheaper cause retroid has mindshare and some track record

[frail summit]

The 865 is still quite capable

[vast coral]

but but but it's old 😄 nah the 865 is solid. People just want more lol

[frail summit]

Doesn't really mean anything if it is old

Depending on your use case

It mainly hinges on how it's priced

[fossil iris]

Ye, I'm not interested in PS2 and older barring a few nostalgia games, mostly switch and steam for me so not my use case.

[fossil iris]

If you're thinking of trying the ally, steam sale is up

[frail summit]

Then you'd benefit from other devices like the RP6 or G2, maybe the Konkr if you wanna receive it on your death bed

Like I'm not blind to the fact that if it is an 865 priced at 200 bucks or so it's gonna be a hard sell

It'll be a trade off if priced at 200.

[vital brook]

I'd be the first to jump ship if they offer same performance with a better design lol

[frail summit]

Same here

[vital brook]

If Ayaneo wasn't cringe with shipping i'd have switched to them as well with the Konkr

[fossil iris]

Basically not needing to buy a grip case? For every ayn or retroid device? 🤣

[frail summit]

Yea

Those guys suck at ergos

Mainly Retroid

[vital brook]

But the rocky releases are entertaining tbh lol

[fossil iris]

The 7" screen is nice for media consumption, hope it has DRM support for video streaming

[frail summit]

I mean I imagine it will

They can't just place all their cards on the screen and half ass it

[vital brook]

They entered the market in a very interesting/agressive way. It made a bunch of stuff on the $100 - $130 price range irrelevant and AFAIK they didn't have any problems.
If they went straight from that to SD higher end emulation that would be awesome.

[frail summit]

John Mangmi has to be cooking if he's gonna keep blueballing me on the spec sheet

[vital brook]

He's cooking . Billy Retroid and Dave Anbernic are all shaking rn

[frail summit]

Dave Anbernic at the 200+ price range is irrelevant

So its really only Billy Retroid

[fossil iris]

Would y'all have preferred if this didn't have the glass front?

[vital brook]

RIP Dave Anbernic

[frail summit]

I don't really care if it does or doesn't

[vast coral]

lol dave anbernic

[fossil iris]

If it became 10$ cheaper without it

[obsidian granite]

I don't care either way as long as it's ergonomics

[vital brook]

If they release it in other colors that don't show fingerprints it will be great but i won't die if it's black with a glass front either

[daring solstice]

Mangmi Air X made anything that isn't the RP Classic or Pocket Air Mini irrelevant.

[cursive glacier]

Max Anbernic, not Dave

[frail summit]

Max Anbernic suxs

At least this year

Last year they were pretty good

[cursive glacier]

I gotta support my team through the tough days

[frail summit]

What're the chances we get a 558 next year with a Snapdragon chip

[vast coral]

virtually nil i imagine

but yeah anbernic this year has been a bit underwhelming 😄

[wintry mountain]

2026 I wanna see their 4.7" screen in everything - XX H and XX V, an SP, a massive DS with two of 'em!

[vital brook]

If they release the RG3DS i am buying it day one tbh

[frail summit]

Considering how they fucked the software badly on the RGDS

I wouldn't tbh

[tough fulcrum]

In Gamma we trust

[vast coral]

we shouldnt have to rely on gamma though 😄

[frail summit]

It needs to ship with Gamma pre installed

[tough fulcrum]

Shouldn't have to, but you can always throw $5 his way

[frail summit]

Cuz Anbernic software is straight cheeks

[tough fulcrum]

With him working on the 477, I'm hoping he'll be able to slap it on the 557 pretty easily

[frail summit]

Hopefully so

I dunno much about his software but it seems to make some of Anbernic's more flawed devices more attractive

[vital brook]

They won't ruin this one , they will probably release it with the T820 and they learned how to fine tune that chip. It takes a couple of releases until the perfect one shows up lol
The 477H will be awesome

[frail summit]

477H 2026

Because for some reason they make the form factors that only a few are interested in first instead of the one everyone wants

[vital brook]

Yes and in 3 months we're back at it again with the RG558

[vital brook]

And release the ones we wanted all along when the chip is outdated

[frail summit]

Man I'm so interested and scared in a 558. Cuz 9 times outta 10 it won't be snapdragon and the price will rot away my wallet. What's above an 8300 if they stick with Mediatek/Dimensity?

[dusty rain]

8400

[vital brook]

It will probably be the D9500

[frail summit]

8400 at 300 bucks minimum if current Anbernic pricing is to be believed

[dusty rain]

but it would be a completely irrelevant upgrade, because we already have more power than we are able to utilize with the 8300

[frail summit]

Make it 350

[wintry mountain]

They gotta upgrade the sticks and use nicer feeling plastic. The RG556/7 could be so much better with just those small changes

[dusty rain]

9500 would probably be more like $500

[vital brook]

It will be around the $300 for sure lol

[frail summit]

Plastic yea especially on the transparent model. I think the white one looks alright

As for the sticks size doesn't matter to me

I've adapted to using the sticks on my Vita and those are miniscule as it is

[vital brook]

They need to remove that black bezel of the white models
AESTHETICS

[frail summit]

HOLY FUCK YES

[wintry mountain]

I've only held the black RG556 in my own hands but it felt so smooth and cheap, needs some texture

[dusty rain]

9500 beats the 8 Elite into submission, but without compatible drivers what's the point

[frail summit]

Thats like my one complaint. The white model could look so sexy but they keep playing with those bezels

[frail summit]

Wii at 7X upscaled

[vital brook]

The 477H will have that black bezel too. They won't break tradition lol

[frail summit]

A waste? Absolutely.

Would it be funny?

Yes

[dusty rain]

I think at that point we can go to 10x

[vital brook]

Chip can upscale to 8k
Screen is 780p

[deep vector]

May the power of John Mangmi compel you

[frail summit]

Ooooooo Anberniccc you're going to release a 558 next year and price it appropriately ooooooo

[north flower]

8k 4:3 screen when

Anything less than 800ppi will not suffice

[frail summit]

John Mangmi needs to lock the fuck in and drop the specs

[deep vector]

John Mangmi needs to release this already

[dusty rain]

I can't wait for the 4.8" 8k screen

[frail summit]

That's what I'm saying

[vital brook]

And the shoulder buttons won't be analog because pro gamers work with the clicky buttons

[frail summit]

Fellas

They're letting us pick the colors now

Here are the options

[digital igloo]

If picking colours now, probably not releasing within the next 2-3 months I guess.
If they don't ship by CNY 2026, probably March onwards

[runic lance]

March without delays would be really good

That’s supposed to be their flagship, they better nail it/ not rush it

[narrow heart]

They should have preorders open at the end of this month and ship before CNY from what I’ve heard, but I’m not sure if that’s domestic or global

[runic lance]

Huh

That highly sounds like a domestic only launch

I don’t mind that

[digital igloo]

Think they did the same for air x? Domestic 1 or 2 months before international

[runic lance]

Because they tend to send out review units shortly after a domestic launch

So global buyers know what the device does before pre ordering

[runic lance]

That’s right

[frail summit]

Expect an actual spec sheet soon

[runic lance]

Reviews also dropped way earlier before the pre order date even got announced

[runic lance]

Imagine 2 SKUs. 865 and 8 Gen2

[frail summit]

I'd cum

Like actually explode

[runic lance]

And then call it the “Mangmi Portal”

And everyone starts clapping

[north flower]

Pretty standard color options tbh

Design looks good though

[still ember]

Everyone is waiting for soc announcement and early bird price.

[dire charm]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-giddy-lets-goo-happy-dance-brett-gif-15016913872934381502

[frail summit]

I mean that's all there is left

It's likely the 865 though they could do something interesting if they do have another SKU.

[vital brook]

This with a Gen2 option

Mangmi has elite class fans too , nobody chose the black model

[frail summit]

Another SKU and I'm over the moon

[vital brook]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

[frail summit]

Everybody and their sister chose the black model

[vital brook]

We need to gatekeep Mangmi asap

GB is the best color, you weasels

[north flower]

Overdone, so is black technically but it's basically the default

I need more red and green handhelds

[vital brook]

These companies are alergic to green , everything is black / white or GB

Retroid kinda dares to release some fun colors , minus the green i want

[frail summit]

I just want one that has the colored transparent-ish buttons seen on the 360 controller

[vital brook]

Inb4 " nooooo the 360 is not retro nooooo "

[frail summit]

Why no one has ever done it is beyond me

It'd look so slick especially on the black or white models

[vital brook]

I think the black and silver RP6 will have these buttons , transparent i mean
More Vita / PSP like though

[frail summit]

But not colored though

[vital brook]

Nope because they're allergic to joy

[frail summit]

The 16 bit of the 6 looks cheap

[vital brook]

And the lavender looks like those Hannah Montana PSPs from back then

[novel spindle]

All colors look bad except Retro GB, they could have given us GC color but here we are, the same old colors

[vital brook]

This obsession people have with black handhelds, it's the worst color ever. It gives brick cellphone vibes to any handheld

It's something i'd buy if there wasn't any other option

[solemn hollow]

Loved the retro power colourway of ayaneo pocket air mini

Damn that's quite a mouthful

[steel spoke]

Shame the retro color way looks great

[ionic tartan]

I can't believe this but retro GB look way better than black or white

[frail summit]

Yup

[ionic tartan]

Don't get me wrong I love black handhelds but retro GB is just perfect

[vital brook]

So the GB will most likely not be released now ?

[cursive glacier]

I wish they kept the black orange thing

[vital brook]

They threw us a little bone with the Orange font on the face buttons and the dpad detail

[vital brook]

Hope rises again

[sturdy dove]

Any price info yet?

Looking at RG466V price seems like ram not impacted in china

So I’m expecting this to price normally

[slender bear]

did my part as well

[sturdy dove]

Does mangmi have any connection to AYN or retroid or ayaneo?

[slender bear]

Tbh Im not sure if we will feel impact for most devices as long as they use DDR4 and below

[digital igloo]

Ddr4 is also impacted, anbernic probably had stocks/made a large order previously and/or had high enough margins to cushion it

[ionic tartan]

Yessss

[still ember]

China ddr4 maker CXMT may provide ddr4 rams at affordable price for china companies. There is chance that the impact may not be so great for china.

[digital igloo]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ddr4/top-chinese-memory-maker-expected-to-abandon-ddr4-manufacturing-at-the-behest-of-beijing

And prices of ddr4 kits in taobao more than doubled compared to earlier this year, even those lesser/as good as no brand kits, some with dubious sources for the chip used.

[still ember]

If it is true that ddr4 ram prices more than doubles, how Mangmi, ayn, ayaneo, retroid and etc china handheld companies survive as their devices are quite price sensitive due to competition. We should be witness prices of handheld devices raise. yes, ayn thor 16G and 1 TB model already delayed so clearly this model is impacted.

For these 2 months, we should see whether prices will be eventually raised by all of them??

[digital igloo]

No idea, just have to wait and see, and of course the lower the capacity the smaller the raise in price.

And we might get more sources of reused chips similar to below since it will be even more lucrative now, for both ddr4 and ddr5.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/used-ddr4-ram-chips-are-being-reused-in-new-pcs-dram-sticks

[vast coral]

Yay 😄

[dusty rain]

question is who is even buying DDR4 now

[digital igloo]

For desktop, plenty of people still on am4. Alot mini pcs accepting ddr4 sodimm still being sold as well.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amds-legacy-ryzen-7-5800x3d-chips-now-sell-for-up-to-usd800-more-than-a-new-9800x3d-am4-chip-costs-twice-as-much-as-msrp-as-enthusiasts-flock-to-old-ddr4-memory

I just bought a 2x16gb 3200 CL16 kit in July this year to upgrade a secondary pc, only around 40+USD equivalent, feeling lucky.

[fair jackal]

I dare you to delve into the abyss of retro gaming facebook groups, the incompetence and laziness of some people to get their own roms is fascinating

[vast coral]

Yep never underestimate how many people just want it on a platter without any work at all 😄

[dusty rain]

I have two PCs on DDR5 and only one on DDR4 at this point

SO-DIMM on the other hand.... yeah quite a few notebooks and mini PCs still on that

[still ember]

This is known process recycling especially e-waste from older phones, computers and older retro handheld. For now, it is very important as there are major shortage.

[still ember]

They are clueless with PC and they refuse to learn. At mangmi discord server, 1 user order 128G ram and he found that it is empty sd cards. He was shocked. He complaining like why Mangmi did not put roms and bios in the sd card. Now this handheld will be quite useless to him. We try to guide him that he can DIY. but he mentioned Mangmi cheated him.
There are people who want everything serve on the plates with launchers, video, roms and bios all ready and play games in day 1.

[sturdy dove]

china has DDR ram manufacturer themeselves

[stray estuary]

oh 865 power

now it can run fl26 (pes21 pc)

[still ember]

Yes, CXMT but reported shifting production to Ddr5 instead ddr4. Also focus on AI as China do not want to lose AI race.

[radiant pecan]

The retro color way is the best option here. This is the first time I've kind of like a white device too

[novel spindle]

Expedition 33 got disqualified for Indie GOTY due to use of AI lol

[twin bough]

That was so stupid

Fake ass award

[sturdy dove]

It was double profit

Win award, everyone 🎉 more publicity, more fame, more people curious about the game = more sales

After a while when temporary fame dies down

Get into news again, more publicity and more fame(albeit negative)groups that are outside of the initial group are interested and buy to try the game

Get free publicity twice

[late pike]

Oled 7 inch screen with full size sticks. For their second device they seem to be doing all the right steps. Other companies take note, if your device is 6 inches or above it isn't pocketable anymore, put full size sticks on it.

[frail summit]

Give us some bitchin ergos on it too

If its gonna be big it may as well go all out

[late pike]

Damn right

[vital brook]

I think they're full sized from the pictures.
If they keep following these steps , this handheld may mogg 90% of the current market

[still ember]

We still have to wait, soc for this device and the launch prices for early bird.

[daring solstice]

Full sized TMR sticks iirc

[frail summit]

That's just what I've been waiting for

If it's an 865 like I'm expecting I'll probably get something else. Like a 557 and install GammaOS on it. Or a G2. Maybe the RP6 if it takes me that long to get one.

[late pike]

Let's see if they put a good soc in it.

[frail summit]

90% sure its an 865

Unless they do another SKU

[vast coral]

be good to know battery size too

[frail summit]

For a big device like it we might be looking at 6000mAh and up

[obsidian granite]

I’ll be OK with a SD 865 if it’s budget enough but also wouldn’t paying a little extra for something better but not much more

[frail summit]

Yea this is kind of where I'm at

Idk if I should sacrifice performance at this price point for the bigger and nicer screen. I don't do streaming as it is.

But in my experience you only really appreciate bigger screens when you have them.

[dusty rain]

so buy a Odin 2 Portal then

[frail summit]

[frail summit]

The psyop continues

[late pike]

Portal 2 killer lol. If it has the 865 I hope it's sub $200.

[vital brook]

You don't understand , i want this to do what the Odin Portal does so i can buy this

[obsidian granite]

That’s twice the rumored price

[frail summit]

Hopefully they do another SKU with a more powerful chip.

But I'm not sure Mangmi has that kinda clout yet

[obsidian granite]

Might as well say just buy a Steam Deck

[vital brook]

Might as well assemble a gaming pc

[dusty rain]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-what-seriously-wtf-gif-19234473

[frail summit]

Portal expensive

[dusty rain]

still would be a bit pointless if they copy the portal for lets say $30 less

Ayn will be like "fuck you, here have a coupon" and Mangmi can close their doors

[vital brook]

Because new thing with GB color

[vital brook]

Unless they go full based and say " Fuck you Ayn , we copied the Portal and it will be $150 "

[dusty rain]

which will already be a pretty hard price to achieve with an SD865, let alone a 8gen2 I think

[vital brook]

" The early bird will be $130 , full price later is $150 "

Because you either konkr or get konkered

[frail summit]

The Portal is what 330 before shipping? The Pocket Max looks to be in maybe the low 200s around 210 or 220 if we're guessing

[dusty rain]

$299, they have a permanent $30 coupon

[frail summit]

And no one decided to tell me?

Traitors one and all

[dusty rain]

it's literally on their shop page, if you read the description

[frail summit]

You could've mentioned that part when you fired out "just get a portal bro" for the uninitiated

[vital brook]

I have the feeling the RP6 made it a bit irrelevant tbh

[frail summit]

I mean kind of

You're only paying more or less for the bigger screen since they have the same specs afaik

[vital brook]

Not that it's a bad device ( at all ) but since the RP6 has an Oled + same chip i can't see myself paying $300 for it anymore

[frail summit]

Now if Mangmi can drop the specs of the PM we might be getting somewhere

150 if they're based

[frail summit]

Maybe for ppl who value streaming or the big screen

[daring solstice]

Some people have bigger hands and can't really use or like smaller devices

[vital brook]

https://tenor.com/view/better-laughing-hanson-funny-gif-14215551

[novel spindle]

https://x.com/MANGMI_Official/status/2002992886833692761?s=20

MANGMI Official (@MANGMI_Official)

FLAGSHIP POWER, UNLEASHED. 🔥
Powered by Snapdragon 865

Up to 2.84GHz Kryo 585 CPU
Flagship performance. Balanced efficiency.

Emulation. Android gaming. No compromises.
#MANGMI POCKET MAX
https://t.co/Ssb0SZLZh4

X · Dec 22, 2025, 6:41 AM

As expected sd865, now awaiting for the price reveal

[digital igloo]

only 1 sku?

[vital brook]

I still want one depending on the price

[pine birch]

If they can land the price then insta buy from me. I'm not holding out for 150 dollars, but maybe 180 with early bird. 200ish would also be pretty decent.

[vital brook]

It's not going to be $150 , it's impossible to charge that for that chip and screen
I am thinking more $170 - $180

[pine birch]

My thoughts exactly. People were pretty out there saying 150

[distant sigil]

They're a new company, don't expect different processor option from them

[vital brook]

There's this trend now on the niche to freely price things way below profit margin then getting pissed when the impossible low price isn't announced

[novel spindle]

250-260$, it's the price we can expect of Mangmi Pocket Max in 2026

[distant sigil]

Considering that RP6 is what, 230? This would be 200 probably

[pine birch]

RAM though is gonna be a huge question

[novel spindle]

Nope, didn't you hear rp6 news?

[distant sigil]

Yes

[novel spindle]

You aren't getting in at 230 bucks anymore

[vital brook]

My thoughts exactly.
The Pocket Max will fund their next high end handheld tbh

[pine birch]

Mangmi DS. Imagine

[distant sigil]

It is 230 at their website, they just pulled away early bird pricing (220)

[vital brook]

Still better than Anbernic drip feeding us and what Retroid did up until the RP3+
At least they're not holding back to release GC / PS2 capable stuff

[novel spindle]

Hope it stays this way and they don't increase the price further in 2026

[solemn hollow]

All depends whether they have sourced their internals ahead of time or not.

[distant sigil]

They did not

[solemn hollow]

RIP

[vital brook]

At $200 it's still decent , same as what Retroid is charging for the RP5 now

[solemn hollow]

It's not always about physically acquiring the components, even if they have signed the deals with the supplier ahead of time with an agreed price... That should still be okay.

[novel spindle]

If they're going after Odin 2 chase, I'd expect 250/260 but if they're chasing Retroid I hope it's 200/210

[vital brook]

Ayn chase will be their third release

[distant sigil]

G cloud was ass, and sold decently at 200

There's a chance they'll price it above 200, but I hope not

[novel spindle]

Damn guys 2026 is still to come but I'm already hating the upcoming year 😭

[vital brook]

Imo , the SD865 is much , much more than a GCloud clone

[fossil iris]

"FLAGSHIP POWER 🔥" KEKW 5/6 years ago

[vital brook]

Still plays all the PS2 / GC / Wii / 3DS catalogue upscaled and a ton of Switch
More than fine for a lifetime of gaming i guess , the ceiling that was PS2 upscaled was broken already.

[fossil iris]

I'd rather they market the uplift from the Air X and lean into the streaming capabilities rather than a click bait title

[distant sigil]

It was retroid's flagship, until 2 months ago

[novel spindle]

Don't worry, the current flagship might vanish if the AI data center once starts to racking the SOC soon.

[vital brook]

Now it's suddenly trash

[distant sigil]

Yeah SD865 is barely enough for ps1

R36S stays winning

[vital brook]

These companies broke the impossible seal of retro gaming already , we can now play GC / PS2 on these things. But since they have to sell they rely on advertising raw power but the trick is that the PC emulation this power is intended is not there yet and won't be for a while. But they rely on consumerism
Watch the Gen2 be considered trash as soon as the RP7 comes out

[novel spindle]

I hope they reveal the price by Christmas 🎁

[fossil iris]

Different fabrication process iirc

[deep vector]

If this is anything higher than $200, I'm out

[distant sigil]

Ok

[novel spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/screw-you-guys-im-going-home-cartman-south-park-im-out-gif-21985141

[deep vector]

6 Year Old Flagship Device

Now $399

Get Hyped

[distant sigil]

Nobody says it's 399

Where did you pull that number

[novel spindle]

399$ lol, it isn't x86 chipset

[distant sigil]

Are you just salty it's not a $399 device with 8 elite gen 99?

[deep vector]

Lmao

I was joking

Y'all take this way too seriously

[vital brook]

$399 may be the new Anbernic stuff next year

[novel spindle]

If it was AYANEO, it'd be at $399 for sure

[deep vector]

If it was AyaNeo, it would have a better chipset

[distant sigil]

They won't, their D8300 stuff is not as successful, I hope they go for more budget chipsets or iterate on 8300

[fossil iris]

Still I'm thinking this is around 189, 40$ for the upgraded SoC is definitely worth it. You get like 70-100% uplift. And those saying the portal is 300 after coupon, they don't sell the base version anymore so you're looking at 370. Give us a 8gen2 sku for 250/260 I think that's a really interesting proposition.

[novel spindle]

SD 865 is better and does exactly like It's supposed to, upscaling upto ps2 games.

[deep vector]

It has to be $200 or under

Anything higher and it would just be better to get a Odin 2 Portal

[novel spindle]

If you want beyond that, honestly you need to get out of retro handheld sphere and get yourself some high end device

[vital brook]

Never bought anything from Mangmi but i will assume they will ship their stuff too
The Konkr could have been amazing if it existed

[deep vector]

Bad Take

[novel spindle]

Yup they ship actually unlike Konk, Ayaneo

[deep vector]

Tell that to everyone that wants an Odin 3

[novel spindle]

Look dude, you're pissing off everybody else.

Shut the fuck up if you don't want this device

[deep vector]

Lmao

I want the device but it all depends on the price

You're the one getting mad at any criticism

[novel spindle]

Blocked this mf, he's just ragebaiting

[distant sigil]

Ok we're getting 865 fans and haters now

[deep vector]

I'm not ragebaiting but ok

[fossil iris]

Nah he's right, it's RETRO for a reason, well anything past early 2000s is not so really just 6th gen and bellw

Below

[deep vector]

Except devices Retroid Pocket 6 and Odin 3 exists

Not everyone is buying these to play NES and SNES

[fossil iris]

Yes they are overkill for retro needs, they aren't retro devices

[distant sigil]

Ps3 is retro, it's just that many games from that time got pc/ps4/xbox1 releases too, so not much interest in that

[deep vector]

The point is that more powerful handhelds exists at the lower pricepoint

[novel spindle]

We don't even know the price lol

[distant sigil]

It doesn't. And it has a smaller screen

RP G2 is 220

[deep vector]

If we compare it to the Odin 2 Portal which is $300

[vital brook]

PS3 emulation is bad in any of these higher end devices
Xbox360 doesn't exist so far either
And power racing these devices is pointless.

[deep vector]

With a 8 Gen 2

Also Switch Emulation exists

And PC as well

[novel spindle]

I'm honestly fine this exists as a flagship grade performance for retro emulation.

[autumn pond]

whats happening here

[vital brook]

Switch emulation is doing well imo and that's where the Gen2 is interesting
PC emulation is a bonus

[deep vector]

Yeah

[distant sigil]

It's 370. $300 option is not being made anymore

[deep vector]

Gen2 does pretty well with Switch Emulation

It was $300

[distant sigil]

Steam deck was also 320, now it's 550

[deep vector]

And this is around the same except for the SOC

[vital brook]

Paying $300 for Gen2 doesn't make sense anymore because of the RP6

[autumn pond]

why will this be 300 dollar

[deep vector]

That's my point

[vital brook]

It won't, this will be same price as the RP5

[autumn pond]

and for the same price you can get like the ayn thor base

[distant sigil]

This handheld's primary perk is the screen, why are people so fixated on the chip. It's good enough for pc streaming and ps2

[autumn pond]

and light switch games

[deep vector]

People are getting mad because 865 is good enough and while I agree to an extent, this has to have a certain price point to make it viable

865 can do some Switch Emulation

[autumn pond]

865 is good enough but it depends on the price

either a make or break

[novel spindle]

7 inch OLED 144 HZ screen with a decent SOC SD865 is perfectly capable of streaming and playing upto ps2 upscaling. It's what I'm excited for

[deep vector]

And some PC as well

[fossil iris]

That's why I said they should lean the marketing into pc streaming instead

[deep vector]

This device isn't being touted as a Streaming Device though

[distant sigil]

But it is a streaming device, mostly

[fossil iris]

It's the best streaming device to be released or announced

As of yet

[novel spindle]

Logitech G cloud on steroids

[autumn pond]

i really dont know what handheld to get lol, should i get the odin 3, konkr pocket fit or ayn thor

[deep vector]

Depends

Do you want power or dual screen?

[autumn pond]

ion wanna get a pocket 6 since its just a pocket 5 pro lol

[novel spindle]

As you're DS fan, get yourself THOR

[autumn pond]

bet

but it depend on the availability

[deep vector]

The Thor is pretty nice

[autumn pond]

rn ayn thor be sold out (locally)

[fossil iris]

Thor seems the best imo

[deep vector]

But it's going to take forever to get one

[autumn pond]

yeah....

[novel spindle]

Konkr Pocket, their shipment is ass.

[vital brook]

This device is the next logical step for a new company that wants to reach high end emulation tbh
If they released a Gen3 nobody would buy it because " New company , won't give them that much money " , so they're creating a client base now with better devices than what the competition ( in the price range ) has to offer

[autumn pond]

im leaning towards the higher end devices since ion like the options for midrange rn

[autumn pond]

i would buy the gen 3

if they price it right yeah sure

[fossil iris]

What does the Odin 3 offer that the Thor does not? If you're big into pc emulation, just get a used z1e

I would pick Thor for the size as well

[autumn pond]

real lol

and pocketability

[deep vector]

I agree if this was their first device but they already proven themselves with the Air X

[novel spindle]

Looks like Mangmi deleted their X post 🤔

[deep vector]

Odd

[fossil iris]

[vital brook]

Air X was low end though

[deep vector]

Perhaps they posted it early

[fossil iris]

Wonder what the comments were like

[deep vector]

But it's for Retro Gaming so it doesn't matter

[autumn pond]

this seems to be like midrange

[novel spindle]

Were they being flamed? I don't see a reason why they'd delete the post

[deep vector]

And the price point was perfect for the specs included

[autumn pond]

yeaah

[novel spindle]

Or they announcing next that they're using once again sd662 chip and it's sub150

[deep vector]

Now Ambernic is going to look bad if they release another handheld at that price point with another terrible chipset

[vital brook]

The Air X was to compete with Anbernic / Trimui

[autumn pond]

anbernic geniunely sold with the rgds bruh

istg

[vital brook]

Made anything on that price range irrelevant imo

[deep vector]

They're all retro handhelds though

[vital brook]

Yes

[deep vector]

Yep

I bought one too

[vital brook]

And that's whay they were competing with on their first release

[deep vector]

But GammaOS is out savior

[autumn pond]

yeah

[deep vector]

Praise Gamma

[autumn pond]

i aint gon buy rgds doe

[novel spindle]

I hope you find THOR on your local store soon 🙏🏻

[fossil iris]

Air X being enough to play many PS2 titles I think that ship has sailed for many.

[deep vector]

It has to have Wifi 6E or 7 Support to be a good streaming device

[autumn pond]

yeah theres an ayn thor pro they are selling but its sold out and its pretty pricey

i was hoping they would js sell the base

[distant sigil]

6E is not necessary I think, since most countries don't allow 6GHz use

[autumn pond]

or like they atleast gon sell the white model

im not biggest fan of rainbow

[distant sigil]

And WiFi 7 routers are non existent (except ones that don't implement new features but stilll call themselves WiFi 7 to trick you into buying it). WiFi 6 is solid, they just have to pick a good wifi chip

[autumn pond]

in local online store they are selling konkr pocket fit

[fossil iris]

865 is very good for latency, you have to use av1 or Artemis Apollo tweaks to get better on newer chips iirc

[novel spindle]

So the top Android handhelds of 2025:

• AYN THOR
• Konkr Pocket fit (congrats those who received their shipment)
• Odin 3

Budget category:

• Mangmi Air X
• Ayaneo Pocket Air Mini (congrats those who received their shipment)

[deep vector]

At least WiFI 6 at the bare minimum

Other Streaming Handhelds have that

[autumn pond]

ayn thor on top

i never seen a handheld more glazed than the ayn thor

[distant sigil]

WiFi 6 should be there, yes. It's been a standard for quite some time

[deep vector]

G Cloud doesn't have WiFI 6 Support

[distant sigil]

Because it uses an even older chip

[novel spindle]

There's not many devices in 2025 that can beat Thor though.

[autumn pond]

yeah

price to performance is just insane on that thing bruh

[deep vector]

Thor is pretty much best device of 2025 if you're into Dual Screen Gaming

[autumn pond]

literally a 3 in 1 device

[novel spindle]

That's why many YouTubers put it on top #1 list of 2025 handheld

[autumn pond]

i dont like big candy bar handhelds like the rp5 since they cant fit into my slingbag lol and i just always like to carry my slingbag around

[cursive glacier]

476h

[deep vector]

True. It does seem that 865 has Wi-Fi 6 as the base.

[digital igloo]

They deleted the tweet

[novel spindle]

RP G2 is also a good choice in 2025.

[autumn pond]

yeah that 476h is peak design but ion got one lol since im saving for the ayn thor

[autumn pond]

yeah

[novel spindle]

But it will be soon overshadowed by RP6

[distant sigil]

Best 4:3 handheld of the year

[cursive glacier]

they are upgrading the tweet

[autumn pond]

from the design alone i already knew it was peak

[deep vector]

They're going to add another Tier

[cursive glacier]

or adding the price

[deep vector]

Please

[novel spindle]

476H is one of the best 4:3 handheld for sure. I also like Ayaneo Pocket Air Mini but it's unfortunate that their shipment is so ass 🙁

[fossil iris]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[autumn pond]

I was like ''bro that indigo looks so good''

[deep vector]

I mean, I'll get the 865 if it's a good price

[autumn pond]

Real, their shipment is just so badd

[deep vector]

I can still do some native Android gaming on it as well

[novel spindle]

Ayaneo Pocket Air Mini 3 gigs can play more ps2, gc, Wii than Mangmi Air X

[cursive glacier]

I think 865 mangmi is fine, dunno why they deleted

[deep vector]

They actually meant 888

[novel spindle]

888 would be good, how's the thermal situation of 888 though?

[distant sigil]

SD865 is on par with what's in Nothing phone 3a, for example. It's still good

[deep vector]

That's basically what the Razer Edge has

[deep vector]

It can still play Fortnite and other High End Mobile games

At lower settings but still

[vital brook]

They had second thoughs
Now it's the SD888 for $270

[novel spindle]

Sd888 device I could think of is S21 fe5g but emulation community says s20fe is way better

[deep vector]

Luckily I saved it before they took it down

Don't know if it will be able to play RDR though

[vital brook]

Hopium that they will release 2 SKUs and that's why they deleted that

[deep vector]

I don't know what the Android Requirements are

[vast coral]

Yeah its just one SKU for them, which is wise

[vital brook]

The Gen2 will sell and the other won't

[cursive glacier]

Red Dead netflix works ok on d8300 which is at a similar price point

865 still has the lines bug?

[deep vector]

I saw someone got Metaphor Refantazio running on a Retroid Pocket 5

So you should be able to do some GameHub and Winlator on it

[vast coral]

It is a tough situation because the market is so open now

[deep vector]

They did like this comment on the official discord

[autumn pond]

bro the market went from only anbernic/retroid/odin selling good nobody could compare

now the market so open

[vast coral]

It's spoiled us and made the community rather entitled 😄 it is going to be a challenge for them to price this well but I still think it will be fine

[deep vector]

So they are at least aware of people wanting multiple SKUs

[autumn pond]

yo if they actually sell a g3 gen 3 that would be insane

[vast coral]

The more skus there are, usually the more complicated the supply chain gets and more risk something will fuck up

[autumn pond]

im just power hungry for more power

[deep vector]

https://tenor.com/view/he-man-gif-18501881

[fossil iris]

Do note battery draw the more powerful you go.

[autumn pond]

reall

[vital brook]

They could be considering it tbh It's a good opportunity for them , what may be difficult is the logistics but we'll see

[deep vector]

2 SKUs copium

[vital brook]

Hopium gang

[distant sigil]

Naaah, 1 sku

They're not big enough

[novel spindle]

2 SKUs with upgrade choice Ultra Copium.

[deep vector]

It's 2 SKUs but it's for Stick Top or Bottom

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[vital brook]

This one is to fund their high end stuff but at least they are aware people want the Gen2 lol

[fossil iris]

If they release something more powerful I'd rather get a different design etc. no glass, good plastic build, vrr screen instead of Oled and make it cheap AF

[deep vector]

Guess I'll inhale the Copium

Only expecting 865 though

[novel spindle]

Sd 865, 8/128, 12/256
Sd 8 Gen3, 12/256, 16/512

[distant sigil]

Jesus, it's rg ds again

We making up specs

[vast coral]

8 gen 3 will be wishful thinking

[fossil iris]

This is a premium build not meant for value per say

[novel spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[vital brook]

Gen2 ≠ cheap AF

[vast coral]

I'm here for the fun chaos 😄

[vital brook]

Absolute cinema when their Gen2 is not $149

[fossil iris]

As Cheap as possible 🤣

[deep vector]

I mean, to be fair, they made a big deal about the chipset when they first announced it

[novel spindle]

I'll be prepared to watch the meltdown with some popcorn

[autumn pond]

just for it to be hella ass 😭

[deep vector]

Now I got an RG DS but that's mostly because I just wanted it for DS Games and Gamma fixed a lot of the issues

[autumn pond]

im paying double for performance similar to h700 bro

[deep vector]

Praise Gamma