iiSU

[deep urchin]

iiSU is an upcoming frontend designed by UsagiShade + co. and primarily developed by Huesos. Expected to release sometime in 2026 to the public, with both free and paid tiers available. Touts online social features and built-in scrapers among other unique features, inspired primarily by XMB and 3DS. Claims full RetroAchivements integration.

Early alpha builds have been made available via Huesos' Patreon, focused primarily on DS functionality (along with emulator support).

Full presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpTpCR1IUts

[sacred flax]

So hyped

[deft drum]

is anyone else kinda disappointed with iisu? the scale creep is really obvious from the outside

it's a launcher, it doesnt need a built in media player, or storefront, or social media

[warped geyser]

One stop shop experience with features that are option to use

[deft drum]

to me, it sounds like its gonna get a ton of initial purchases and then immediately burn out

because what they're selling to users is way too much and requires an insane amount of infrastructure

i would love for it to succeed but it is not a product that has the broad appeal to maintain all of those elements

[sacred flax]

they said the online aspect is coming in due time and the frontend side is 100x more pleasing aesthetically than daijisho or emu stat

idk about the store thing the points seemed abit sus i wish it the project well and anything to make fan created content easier to use is good

it make my device feel so much more like a console

[deft drum]

i think the aesthetics are debatable. i like it, but its not everyones cup of tea. i just feel like the project is experiencing a lot of scope creep

like uh

[sacred flax]

i think the scope is okay for now if they dont expect to launch it all in 1.0

[deft drum]

depends

imo

but i get where youre coming from

[sacred flax]

hopefully the store kinda side is made great by the community and the friends tab makes people stick around

[deft drum]

maybe

but from there, where do they get more money

thats kinda my concern

not user retention, but revenue streams

[sacred flax]

but the second half is definetly make or break by the community that joins in

[deft drum]

hopefully they get a larger investor to keep up something like that, or find some way to monetize part of the experience

[sacred flax]

thats where the weird coins come in and it gets grey

[deft drum]

presumably yeah

also that offhanded mention about doing game storefront stuff for indie retro projects

[sacred flax]

maybe itll work like discord u pay a small amount and the perks dont really matter but the amount is small enough everyone donates

[deft drum]

which im very concerned about tbh

[deft drum]

perhaps, yeah

[sacred flax]

yeah ig the other stuff i like because its nostalgia inducing and it collects different resources like retrocheevs steam friends etc a new storefront i dont have high expectations for but again like a better place to download my romhacks that isnt an ancient pokemon forum site would be nice

[deft drum]

they outright said in the video they wouldnt be including romhacks

only original content

jsyk

[sacred flax]

no they said romhacks included but you cant charge money for them

[deft drum]

i do like the idea but im also painfully aware of scale, especially when it comes to server costs and the absolute pain in the ass that is maintaining infrastructure

alright

i do this shit for work so theres a lot of stuff that jumps out to me as being

idk

naive? not like

i dont wanna say i think the team is stupid but i worry theyre underestimating the amount of work that goes into the stuff theyre promising

[sacred flax]

yeah idk i hadnt heard of this a month ago and it seems so much more ambitious than anything else out there but idk how any of this stuff works i assume itll just slowly roll out when they say it will

[deft drum]

hopefully

i want it to succeed, as said previously

honestly id kill for a purely offline version of iisu

i love how iisu looks

[dull badger]

yeah I was just looking for a UI with charm, so many are barebones minimalist

[deep urchin]

iiSU may or may not actually happen

its still 99% hopes dreams and adobe after effects

however some good at least came out of it in that you can get iiSU Interpreted as an ES-DE theme

[ember mauve]

wait its not offline?

[deft drum]

i mean all the social media aspects lmao

[ember mauve]

hope it can be disable

sounds dumb

[deft drum]

its... interesting

just extremely ambitious

lmao

if i wanna do any of the things iisu is advertising, i'd just use prexisting solutions from elsewhere

[ember mauve]

imo waste of resources/time ... but i guess they are dedicated to it

[deft drum]

honestly i agree but

i dont wanna be too harsh on something that people obviously are passionate about

[broken kelp]

They're going to focus on offline release first before they add any of the social elements

And honestly it seems fun and creative so i'm not against it

[broken kelp]

Yeah I think they might be biting off more than they can chew

For the social elements it's better to just offer a frontend for other already existing services/apps instead of trying to create your own infrastructure

[void hemlock]

aren't they doing it in collab with pictoverse?

[icy nexus]

Felt this too. Worked in both games and apps. Too common.

[deep urchin]

the biggest thing is that usagi is not a developer at all

everything you're seeing is design work done by a designer. whether or not it gets done depends entirely on heusos and the other handful of devs that have signed on.

[cold quartz]

iiSU is interesting but every time they release something I'm just left with more questions.
Like sure this can totally be a free passion project like many open source or emulation related things are. But there are just weird things that pop up like the really obvious scope creep, the social media aspects, and the timeline.

It'll be cool if it turns out to be all that they want it to be but it really seems like a project that's going to burn out in a couple of months.

[cold quartz]

Yep

[simple stream]

Yeah I like the look, but I'm worried about the bloat

[lone juniper]

This reminds me of that really cool launcher I got on my galaxy nexus

That burnt out after like 2 months

[deep urchin]

fun drama: usagi's discord is burning right now because he said some offhanded comment about latinas like 3 years ago

[deft drum]

also some transphobic shit too

its incredibly disappointing lmao

[tall path]

Well there goes iisu

more likely everyone will just forget about this

[deft drum]

unfortunately. i pray that usagishade gets at least some pushback on this lmao

[ancient forge]

is there a video of this thing working or this is just a mockup for future development?

[deft drum]

its mostly a mockup rn, if you check out hueso's patreon you can see a working build of the launcher portion, the rest is mostly smoke and vapours rn though

https://www.patreon.com/posts/iisu-progress-ui-144170369

here's the most recent dev post on it

[frail anchor]

I understand this is off topic for this discussion channel, but does anyone have screenshots or evidence of what was said in the iiSU discord?

I would like to see for myself what was said but their mod team has scrubbed the discord, which i think is a major red flag. I also think it needs to be documented for others to see and judge for themselves.

[dull badger]

https://bsky.app/profile/donkeykonga123.bsky.social/post/3m6lcshll622u https://bsky.app/profile/reveriemasters.bsky.social/post/3m6kjntthx22f

(@donkeykonga123.bsky.social)

-# ↩ (@reveriemasters.bsky.social)
They nuked the chats but I was able to save some screenshots of some of the other pretty terrible things in there.

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Bluesky · Nov 27, 2025, 2:22 AM

(@reveriemasters.bsky.social)

-# ↩ ⛧BAHKONEARTH⛧ 🏳️‍⚧️ (@bahkonearth.neocities.org)
Unfortunately, the main dev doesn’t respect us.

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Bluesky · Nov 26, 2025, 6:52 PM

[pearl vector]

Henry's got it

[frail anchor]

Ffs man

It wasn't even that long ago. 3 years to someone at that big age is nothing

Very disappointing. I can't in good conscience continue to support them.

Scrubbing the discord after the fact to hide it is disgusting behaviour.

[rigid vigil]

Im just sitting back here in my chair with my apple juice trying to figure out what the HELL I DID 😭

Like why was all that in there??

[pearl vector]

Announcement made a few minutes ago

[broken kelp]

Fair enough. He could have taken a bit more accountability cause in some ways it felt like an "I'm sorry if I offended you" type of apology but if he actually moved on and isn't this type of person anymore then I don't see a reason to keep holding it against him

[deft drum]

its a pretty lame apology imo

there's literally trans people on the team he leads, he should be saying a hell of a lot more and taking more accountability

[broken kelp]

Yeah he was deflecting too much for my liking and the whole bit about ignoring politics and where he lives seems odd to bring up

[cold quartz]

Why did he turn a private discord group into a community discord?

Even if iiSU didn't get all this hype, he really should have just let his YouTube channel/iiSU discord be a new thing with a fresh start.

[rigid vigil]

"Im not a saint, and I've said and done things that wouldn't fly today"

My guy, it wasn't 10 years ago, it was 2023.

This didnt fly any day in this decade lol

[cosmic magnet]

I think it’s important to contextualiza the environment you’re in. You are a product of your environment.

[rigid vigil]

Also, this bit here....these social issues aren't only a topic in America.

[broken kelp]

It arguably would have gone over even worse in 2023 compared to now when right wingers and anti-woke sentiment is so prevalent on the internet

[rigid vigil]

The rest at the end? Decent.

Ive been in bad crowds before.

[deep urchin]

Literally most nothing burger drama in the entire world

Everyone in that server is like 12 years old LMAO

[rigid vigil]

"Nothing burger", flat out....I dunno if you read all of it

It wasn't just transphobia, it went further than that.

[tulip hawk]

can't survive a minute on that server anymore

[rigid vigil]

It was the supporters going mask off and defending it, saying it was "based" and stuff for me

Yeah, nah.

[lone juniper]

That sucks… 🙁

[deep urchin]

Children online need thicker skin

[rigid vigil]

Adult online need basic understanding that when you say things, they can have consequences

Also, people still call folks "kid" as an insult to undermine them in 2025? lol

I did that on Xbox live when I was 13.

[deep urchin]

90% of the people in that discord aren't in this community or any other handheld or emulation community. It's all a giant nothingburger constructed by people who are more interested in manufacturing drama for the purposes of virtue signaling than anything related to the product or development of anything whatsoever. I spent 3 hours in their VC last night and literally like 3 people even understand what emulation is let alone what a frontend is.

The plain and honest fact of the matter is that the meltdown has nothing to do with the average discord friendgroup conversation that's being marketed as the fall of Berlin and everything to do with the drama finding its way into the twitter algorithm

[rigid vigil]

There's no plain and simple anything.

You can't generalize everyone

[deep urchin]

i just did

what are you gonna do about it

[rigid vigil]

Then you're just upset because you agree with what was said.

Not because everyone is being "irrational" or "children".

[deep urchin]

nice job inventing thoughts

thankfully that's the direct opposite of the case

[rigid vigil]

But I just did.

Ya see how dumb that comes off?

[deep urchin]

yeah because you said it bro 😭

[rigid vigil]

So you're able to do it, but noone else is. That's actual snowflake behavior.

[deep urchin]

yeah

i'm built different

[rigid vigil]

Built like a ran down shack.

Probably as unstable.

[deep urchin]

i thought this was the iisu channel

not the reddit spaced epic shower comeback channel

https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895

[rigid vigil]

That comeback must have hurt alittle if you had to mention Reddit.

Which alot of this server uses btw, so what is that insult?

[deep urchin]

i use reddit too dude

Reddit spacing is when you do this.

Instead of just writing one paragraph.

[rigid vigil]

No, that's just spacing sentences. Is that what redditors call it?

[deep urchin]

well no

[rigid vigil]

I mean, you're the expert of Reddit.

Tell me.

[deep urchin]

spacing sentences are done with a space after a period. like this one.

This is called a 'double break:'

Like this.

notice how you have to hit enter twice to achieve it

[rigid vigil]

Yes. So tell me, how do you feel about iisu?

In the iisu chat?

What are you excited for?

[deep urchin]

i am excited that es-de got a cool theme out of the assets

considering that's the only thing ever releasing

[rigid vigil]

Because I'm iffy on the store and online stuff.

Seems bloated

[deep urchin]

it's 100% objectively never happening

it's a bunch of inexperienced people and designers posing as devs

running something with social features or a store requires a whole backend pipeline that's like 10 people to dev and maintain

let alone tying that into a developed frontend application

[rigid vigil]

I wouldn't say that, I'd say its feature creep

Overstepping what's doable.

Either one of those. I won't assume his team's skill level

[deep urchin]

i'd be more confident in trusting them if the lead dev wasn't an ai generated vibe coder

that alone tells me everything i need to know

but regardless, the features being spoken of are just not feasible for 2-3 guys like are billed as being the 'team behind everything'

[rigid vigil]

Not to mention the servers needed and like....one guy financing it?

Patreon cash can't do everything

[cosmic magnet]

The front end is the product i most look forward to and based off the alpha there’s not much more to add there

[deep urchin]

the frontend portion is the most important part and is required for everything else to function at all

and its just looking like a whole lot of nothing

[cosmic magnet]

100% and the dev behind it is responsible for bringing dual screen support to Android

[deep urchin]

like i'm subbed to huesos on patreon and have the alpha

[cosmic magnet]

Made updates to azahar and melon ds

[deep urchin]

he's done amazing work on melonds

yeah

but its also like

doing a fork of an emulator to add a couple features based on existing framework

vs.

creating an entire framework of your own that is intended to be fully customizable and scalable PLUS linked to social and store features requiring central databasing and credentials and all kinds of cryptography

i was a dba for 3 years

it is not a simple task to create that kind of pipeline

[pearl vector]

Was there anything more out of that actually?

I know about the pfp and generated patreon post, but

[cosmic magnet]

What do you mean fork of an emulator? Are you saying lair launcher used to be an emulator?

Or are you saying adding features to melon ds

You’re probably saying the second piece

I must’ve misread

[deep urchin]

i mean, if everything public facing you have is ai slop, it's just safe to assume that your code is also ai slop

[deep urchin]

yeah latter

[pearl vector]

It is a safe assumption, yeah

[deep urchin]

now its worth mentioning that lairlauncher was its own thing before the iisu concept was released

it was just retooled to use iisu assets essentially

i have no clue if huesos is even on board with all of these lofty concepts usagi is pretending are real and functional to the layman right now

it all screams scam

or at the absolute best, guy who just straight up isn't intelligent enough to label his stuff as concept art

which given his seeming inability to make a separate discord from his shitposting friend group one, might be the case

[pearl vector]

I still don't know why they thought that was smart

[rigid vigil]

Also doesn't a front end like iisu exist already?

Daijisho, did any of them have a hand in that?

[deep urchin]

daijisho is vastly different from iiSU

the thing with iiSU is that its purported functionality is like everything that every frontend offers and then some

it has the apps and settings access and everything that daijisho has, but also playtime tracking like es-de and customizable interfaces like beacon, etc. etc.

[rigid vigil]

See, I assumed that because the playtime tracking and other details like that.

[deep urchin]

daijisho is a little different from most launchers

in that it also natively cares about apps and general device function

it can easily be used to replace quickstep (stock android launcher)

whereas something like ES-DE or the other alternatives are really finnicky and require lots of setting up in order to use as a default interface

a good example is most lineageOS interpretations (see: GammaOS) using it as their sole launcher

[pearl vector]

Response from the dev that sparked the ai claims https://fixupx.com/sapphirerd/status/1993944759078097172

Sapphire Rhodonite (@SapphireRD)

@kael333_ @Walucidamnnn Hi! SapphireRhodonite here, the lead developer. I don't use AI for the project. For Patreon posts, I use AI to help me because English is not my main language. You can check my public GitHub for projects and forks I have worked on! I have a background in developing!

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FixupX · Nov 27, 2025, 7:27 AM

(And newer announcement)

[rigid vigil]

I'll forgive all that stuff but man, that kinda did put into perspective that things moved too quick on this project

I wouldn't be insulted in them limiting their space to supporters or patrons.

Maybe scaling things back allows for better moderation.

[haughty crater]

I honestly think the way its being shown is for the nostalgia junkies of the 3ds and wii/wii u. I like the idea of all the social media aspects and once its available, I'll get an Ayn Thor and have a blast.

[deft drum]

that's reasonable, but they're promising an insane amount of stuff that they cannot reasonably do

would it be cool? yeah, but...

[pearl vector]

I could really do without the social features if it came down to it

[desert turret]

if they're struggling to moderate their discord, they're gonna have one heck of a time if they ever launch that whole social network

[pearl vector]

It's not like people can behave themselves enough for that anyway

That wplace site from a while back went to hell fast when it took off

[cold quartz]

Wait isn't the social media stuff just widgets for stuff like pictoverse and retro achievements?

[deep urchin]

The actual "social features" are just pictoverse integrations

[deft drum]

not entirely...?

the storefront they advertised and the chat features are a hell of a lot more than just a pictoverse integration

all of that still requires active development and moderation

[rigid vigil]

They were talking about invite and play stuff

[cosmic magnet]

The great thing about a social network is that you don’t have to participate in it

[pearl vector]

?

[deft drum]

?

[round timber]

Well… this thing went sideways quick. I was excited for it but usagi seems like a horrible person

[deep urchin]

i'm willing to take his words at face value. hasn't given me any reason to disbelieve him considering the work i've seen has been high quality

[deft drum]

i trust huesos on this too tbh

i distrust usagi but huesos hasn't really done anything one can hate on him for

the ai is shitty though

[pearl vector]

He wouldn't be the first otherwise skilled person I've known to use it for surface level stuff

[deft drum]

aye

[ancient forge]

I'm new, why are we getting mad about a vaporware from a power point presentation?

[pearl vector]

Less the thing itself and moreso the character and integrity of those involved. At first it was a mix of excitement and some doubt if it would fulfill its promises. Then in record time, controversy over some chat logs left people disappointed.

Given how things have gone in its server since then, most either didn't care or are willing to forgive. Will iisu actually be realized in the end? Dunno.

[ancient forge]

no offence to anyone one but the software promised from that presentation will need 100s of people to make and might take few years. My experience might be just few years in banking and communication development but there's no way few people can make that app in a year

[deep urchin]

which core?

oh wait

offence

so you're probably not from the us xd

[broken kelp]

I still don't like using ESDE as my main launcher. Only reason i've been doing it on the Thor is cause I still have acces to all of the Android stuff on the bottom screen but if ES-DE just added proper dual screen support i'll just use that

And never think about iisu again

[cosmic magnet]

To your point it really is up to ESDE to provide a proper dual screen experience

Realistically many would not leave ESDE

[broken kelp]

All they would need to add is a design on the bottom screen to match whatever you're doing up top like Console launcher but actually functioning well

It would take some time and effort for all the theme designers to catch up with it but it seems like an infinitely smaller endeavour than iisu

The ESDE developer is kind of like the opposite of Usagi when it comes to ambition. He's very realistic and honestly for the amount of money he receives every month I feel like more could be done. It should have touch screen support and better Android app integration at this point

The most well functioning launcher i've used is Beacon but aesthetically ES-DE has inifinitely more to offer which is why i'm desperate for it to just catch up with the other launchers in certain aspects

[cosmic magnet]

I’ll have to checkout beacon, ESDE covers like 95% of my needs

[meager wigeon]

well it's officially dead

they privated every video and deleted all the youtube posts

[deft drum]

yeah usagi just stepped down lmao

[meager wigeon]

dated statements
2023 was a whole decade ago, feel old yet?

[deft drum]

literally yeah

not even two years in some cases

like a year, maybe a year and a half for some of those things

[meager wigeon]

WOW that is one defensive final statement, calling it an attempt to make him into a punching bag as if the stuff he wasn't talking about was comically racist is wild

that is so funny like there is not a single shred of guilt

[deft drum]

yeah!! i don't fw what people have (allegedly) said to his wife but

this is such a nothing statement

[meager wigeon]

yeahh

i'm glad he is at least refunding the donations like he could have easily just gotten away

what a wild ride

[deft drum]

aye

[meager wigeon]

at least there's always stuff like the es-de theme if people really want that kind of look and feel to it, but like. wow

[deft drum]

crazy how the discord is just

wildly racist and transphobic and usagis actions have fostered that kind of environment

really disappointing

[meager wigeon]

every single statement and choice that they've been making has been so baffling to me

[deft drum]

right?

like i understand that as a trans woman i have a uh

biased view

but like none of that was the right thing

literally none of it

[meager wigeon]

even the comment from their trans dev saying "yeah i was once super duper transphobic but y'know people change" like idk that feels really handwavy

especially when there were still some weird comments on nonbinary people from usagi... like last month

[deft drum]

right??

also one trans person saying its ok doesn't suddenly mean it wasn't wildly insensitive

not to mention the weird nazi stuff and the racism

[meager wigeon]

yeahhhh

even giving the benefit of the doubt doesn't work. like say it's just ignorance for the transphobic stuff, okay sucks but wouldn't be a place of hate... right? oh wait, those really blatantly racist comments and the nazi flag anime girl picture were there too. ok.

you have to do soooo much stretching to try and excuse anything

[deft drum]

also just

the final announcement is literally

the most

#cancelculture thing ever

because it's not about the fact he fucked up, it's the fact people are mad that he cares about

[meager wigeon]

it's the most hand-caught-in-cookie-jar type shit

[ancient forge]

I'm from a country where one can change sex with some money and a free weekend. All this internet sexuality opinions is wild to me 😆

[meager wigeon]

you'd think the guy who is trying to manage a moderation team and social network would like... actually try to care about this stuff

[deft drum]

right? its diabolical

anyway trans people rock, and people need to be cool about em

[meager wigeon]

true

shoutout to the funny gender people in my screen who send me funny images

[deft drum]

so uh

not gonna speak too much on it but it seemd

seems

his announcement was an exit to cover up other more serious allegations, according to a mod

which is horrifying

[meager wigeon]

......what

there's no fucking way lmaooooo

[deft drum]

what it is, i do not know

just that if they're true, it's a crime, apparently

im hoping not because that's ridiculously fucked

[meager wigeon]

how did he not think to go ultra anonymous fresh everything mode

like the actions are bad but it's so baffling that somebody wouldn't try using even just a different discord account for stuff

[ancient forge]

we have mandatory military service here for males at 18. Few weeks ago one person made headline because of sex change surgery before yearly recruitment drive, still got called in 😆

[dry sapphire]

I think everyone has something that has said or done in the past that are not very proyd of, but geez both this statement and the other “apology” you can’t even find an ounce of guilt, it’s all playing the victim and the community’s fault for… pointing out clearly bad behaviours?

[meager wigeon]

it's okay though

he said he has a "high skill ceiling" when he was hyping up his past credentials

i would say what a shame about all this but it was probably never gonna release even without this controversy

[dry sapphire]

nah, it was overscoped as hell

and even in the rare case that it did release, defenately not by Q2 2026

[deft drum]

exactly yeah

if only the original announcement was the scope... :(

[dry sapphire]

like, take away all the community aspect of it, just the UI, transitions, animations, layout and general feel of it was never going to be ready in 2026

[meager wigeon]

i have enough time with programming that it seemed like this guy had to be either extremely talented, very far along, or extremely rich to fund a team to work on it for it to make an APRIL release

like what the fuck

how do you feasibly do that.

also when i went to delete my account on their site it gave me an error.

lmao.

i will go to bed but the last thing that gets me is that the alpha footage looks so unfinished and barely functional that it is insane to me that they thought to announce it so early in any development

[wild crater]

Their most recent build released to their paying patrons does not look like it can be anywhere close to their video in 2026 lol

[deft drum]

no fucking way

[meager wigeon]

it's so fucking funny

[deft drum]

also no disrespect to huesos because damn he works hard

but he alone is not enough for All That Project

[quaint glacier]

"high skill ceiling in design" to describe yourself was for sure one of the statements of all time.

[meager wigeon]

i have a high skill ceiling in fucking up my sleep schedule

[deft drum]

the direct was such an ego trip lmao

[dry sapphire]

I forgor the “high skill ceiling” thing💀

like how can you be so very little humble

[meager wigeon]

bar none i am the most humblest
number one at the top of the humble list

[ancient forge]

it's dead, mods should close this channel

[dry sapphire]

oh and also, not only without the community aspects it wasn’t even going to release, but EVEN if it did, there was no way they weren’t getting C&D by some company

[quaint glacier]

I have to admit the second video did actually impress me, but the whole thing just brought me back to earth to realize "wait a minute this was complete pie in the sky nonsense". How did I not notice that before.

[deft drum]

might get revived, who knows?

[meager wigeon]

they used nintendo assets so much in the presentation video

[deft drum]

the fucked up labels immediately ruined any sense of it being real lmao

[dry sapphire]

but it’s not desd right? it’s just usagi that stepped down

[last beacon]

Ever heard of darvo?

[meager wigeon]

there are reasons that retroarch and shit use either blurry images or roms they can show without legal concerns for screenshots

i was looking forward to it thinking it could become real because he made it sound like he also made daijisho

and then i found out he had no involvement in that.

[deft drum]

did he? oh my god

[meager wigeon]

he had a video called "introducing daijisho" or smth like that. i went to double check it and that was how i found out he privated all the videoa literally minutes after i was looking up some stuff on iisu

[last beacon]

I mean I feel like majority of the UI elements were VERY much doable

I've been in graphic design for like 10 years now

Most of what makes iisu great is all of the fancy bevels gradients and simple animations

I'm glad the concepts are out there now so even if iisu doesn't work out, odds are someone will be mad enough to do it themselves

[deft drum]

oh no def. personally i was drawn to it because it was consolifying handhelds

[meager wigeon]

the es-de theme will give all the people who cannot let go of iisu something, ig

[deft drum]

only launcher that does that enough imo is daijisho (though i haven't tried beacon yet)

[gray spruce]

Personally I was excited for the prospect of a proper dual-screen launcher more than anything else

But the uwu cozy community they were trying to build around an emulation launcher was, evidently, a recipe for disaster

[deft drum]

oh def that too

[ancient forge]

I can make quadruple screen UI in photoshop doesn't mean I can mke it work in real life

[last beacon]

The uwu community can make things, you just have to get the right ones working on it

Speaking from experience

[gray spruce]

Yeah and like, don’t get me wrong, I was very much “let’s see if this actually materializes”

[deft drum]

no real

[meager wigeon]

yeah dual screen is an appealing possibility, i'm not exactly too bothered by the limits of the rg ds since it meets what i actually care about so i was hoping that'd be really nice on it

[deft drum]

ooh totally fair

once my thor is working im excited to experiment with launchers

[gray spruce]

Oh like, don’t get me wrong, I’m not against it at all, but like, as a cornerstone of iisu along with taking donations, it felt icky to me

[deft drum]

think there's a diff between fostering a toxically positive community n that

though theres definitely overlap lmao

[last beacon]

You shouldn't need to take donations for something that could be made in a month or two

By angry furries

Also speaking from experience XD

[ancient forge]

I have a negative opinion on putting donation on closed source stuff

[deft drum]

god yeah the fact it's closed source still enrages me

[wild crater]

You should've seen his discord. His simps were basically infantilising the guy

[gray spruce]

Angry furries literally keep the modern web running, don’t they lol

[deft drum]

whole community is built on FOSS and because it could sabotage profits they locked it down

despite the fact that they made themselves literally no avenue for said profits

[meager wigeon]

drastic... open source drastic please...

[deft drum]

one day

[last beacon]

Instead of dropping a hype bombshell, drop a product

They already had numbers before they got everyone on that train

Then they can charge for services like themes or whatever idc

[frail anchor]

What a fucking disaster lmfao

[gray spruce]

UX design and app development/team management are, evidently, different skill sets

[deft drum]

right?

im just baffled they thought they could support all that on 4.99 OTP alone

[last beacon]

I'm the do it all yourself kind of person in the subset of things I do

I hate specialization because it is incredibly limiting and you can manage pretty high scope projects if you just weaponize your own spite :3

[meager wigeon]

i will go through hell and back to make some weird insane programming idea work but if i am ever forced to try becoming a ui designer i will scream and cry

[deft drum]

real

ui design sucks but it's unfortunately a magical profession

good designers are the best, esp when they make transparent interfaces

[meager wigeon]

uhm

[last beacon]

I mean the best take on the UI of iisu is that it could all be made modular right?

[meager wigeon]

chat

[deft drum]

o?

[meager wigeon]

you know what lynn said earlier about him supposedly trying to cover up something worse

[deft drum]

and yeah def

[meager wigeon]

i have not done much looking into it or how real it is but

https://reddit.com/comments/1p8r9h8/comment/nr7bacg

interpret as you will

[ancient forge]

eh, from my banking experience. We made a bunch of UI prototypes. Put people in rooms and give them complicated tasks to perform and watch them from hidden cameras 😏 That is modern UI design

[wild crater]

Spaking of UI can I just say this hot take: Switch UI >>> Wii U UI I don't care of the Wii U has soul or the Switch is soulless or whatever the Wii U takes me minutes to boot into my game, the Switch does it in seconds

[deft drum]

huh. that is... unpleasant

[last beacon]

Hehe

For me doing unity work it definitely takes a ritual or two

Have to make a few sacrifices

Say a few chants

[deft drum]

my coworkers just kept making functional prototypes till testers stopped fucking up

[meager wigeon]

okay i'm hearing that the allegations are true and corroborated by moderators.

ok then.

that's enough internet for tonight.

https://tenor.com/view/satoko-rika-higurashi-when-they-cry-rika-and-satoko-gif-23108842

[deft drum]

damn

i should also probably turn in, this has been... kinda very unpleasant but thanks for yapping yall

[gray spruce]

creeps on the internet should [redacted]

oh well, here’s to ES-DE

[meager wigeon]

looking forward to waking up to a slop live video on iisu

[quaint glacier]

Well that is for sure the most cliche toxic creep person that wants to hide behind just being a "wholesome uwu guy" I can imagine. And he is a westernet that moved to an east asian country, classic.

[last beacon]

Why is it always the face of a company, group or project that ends up being the most screwed

I mean I guess it's like bugs on a windshield, you'd expect to have to clean the front of your car more than the back

But it's the ones with all that ego that really seem to try and do it all themselves

I've seen far too many narcissistic personalities at the top of things

[quaint glacier]

Yep sadly the ego to pronounce something like that and toxic traits often go hand in hand.

[last beacon]

I've definitely suffered at the hands of a project lead that was like that a few times x.x

It's exhausting to have your art defamed and defined by someone who doesn't respect the idea or essence

[quaint glacier]

And he is one of the stupid ones that get easily caught, there are for sure a lot people who are better at hidding and managing things

[last beacon]

I hope the remainder decide to pivot and aim higher than what they offered

[quaint glacier]

Yep in terms of the project, that may acutally a good thing, maybe they can repivot to something more realistic

[wild crater]

Assuming the people he left it to even care enough about the project

[last beacon]

I think alot of them do on the fact that alot of iiSU's online presence is broken up over several different developer accounts and more

They seem to all have some personal investment, their name on the releases instead of having it all under the umbrella of "iiSU"

Usagi was just the one who posted the announcements on YouTube ect.

Surely had a hand elsewhere but there's reason it's not all centralized

That way they all benefit from individual work, makes for a better look later on and harder to take down

[deft drum]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/144588306?utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=android_share

[meager wigeon]

For now, I was the only one developing the Android frontend, and while the iiSU team decides what is going to happen, I can confirm that I will continue being the only one developing the launcher for a while.

i can't sleep

but bro...

carrying the entire project on their shoulders

[pearl vector]

I just woke up

How did it get worse

[meager wigeon]

I do not support any comments that discriminate any person.
y'know

this is more than anything usagi said

like i dont think he even once said blatantly "i do not believe in those bad comments" and just went on defensive

i hope the people who had no idea about this stuff who were roped into iisu do well with their stuff divorced from him, but maaaan

ok back to attempting and failing to sleep

[quaint glacier]

Realistically he always was tbh

[ancient forge]

is it still closed source?

[dry sapphire]

what the actual fuckkkk

[tidal fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/why-what-in-the-hell-oh-god-pizza-house-on-fire-gif-15536410

[round timber]

man okay the latest allegations are horrible - dont' know how to and can't relaly comment on that

but going back a bit - that apology was the most non-apology ever

[tidal fiber]

What the hell even happened

What’s the TLDR

[rigid vigil]

That was my issue too

[rigid vigil]

Lucky ngl

[cosmic magnet]

That’s not what the build looks like horizontally. This is the type of dragging down I don’t appreciate

Show them what it really looks like

[rigid vigil]

Woah what

Allegations?!?

Im catching up

....oh

Oh no

[cosmic magnet]

This is all I wanted as well

[rigid vigil]

Hold up.
That makes this even worse.

[tidal fiber]

Shit looks like I have quite the evening of reading ahead of me

[cosmic magnet]

Oh snap he’s releasing this one for free

The 3rd alpha

[cold quartz]

So is iiSU dead and everyone is just moving to the Lair launcher?

[pearl vector]

It's on life support

That Usagi guy is out but other members of the team want to keep going

[quaint glacier]

lmao

[tidal fiber]

So this usagi guy is a kiddy diddler? Am I hearing that right? Or said some sussy stuff in that vein?

[cosmic magnet]

Well lair launcher became iiSU essentially, I doubt huesos is going to rename it. I suspect huesos is just going to deliver the front end with the same name

At the end of the day I know nothing though

[round timber]

@tidal fiber there are credible grooming allegations

[terse walrus]

From what I gather he more said unsavoury things (Looks to be about gender and race type stuff) and hung out with people that said even worse things in 2023. That being said well I have doubts that much change has happened since I don't completely discount the possibility because some people's lives truly can have a rollercoaster of change within a year.

[terse walrus]

Oh

Is there much for sources yet?

[round timber]

There’s no journalistic sources. An account with accusations and receipts and some mods I believe have verified it but honestly I don’t know the specifics

[tidal fiber]

Uhh huhhh

What’s said in private in the company of close friends as a joke is really of no concern to me, but actually doing vile shit to minors is deplorable if true

[terse walrus]

It's crazy he used the old friend groupchat as the iisu server though

[tidal fiber]

Yeah that was a really stupid choice

[cosmic magnet]

There are photos with the accuser annotating the photos . Take that as you will

He’s in a public space

[terse walrus]

I've seen enough internet personality's career's or lives messed because of false accusations that I tend to be quite wary and slow with them

[round timber]

As a joke? The stuff he said is unacceptable regardless of it being private

[terse walrus]

To be fair people can have different opinions on what is unacceptable or not especially in the context of people talking to close friends

[sharp turret]

The entire iisu situation is the biggest train wreck out of the station I've ever seen

It seems a bunch of the staff have ducked out of the project

[terse walrus]

Hope huesos's project goes well whether or not it stays as "iiSU"

[sharp turret]

I hope the new heads can keep the project straight and keep their integrity

[tidal fiber]

A joke in confidence yeah

I have bigger things to worry about than what friends joke about

[cunning zealot]

Worlds got way crazier stuff going on than mfs saying stupid shit in a discord channel 3 years ago

[tidal fiber]

If only they could hear us on XBL cod lobbies

[rigid vigil]

Okay, but ducking out of the space after the allegations come out

And mods confirming it?

And the leaving statement's tone mixed with that?

[tidal fiber]

Allegations that can ruin someone’s life if true

[rigid vigil]

But also, allegations. I've seen people get away with actions like that because of the denial of those who use the actions of bad actors.

False allegations don't undo the fact that people in positions like this can and will do these things.

Be skeptical yes, but Id pull back a position taken up for him.

There's chat messages documented, Id advise going over them.

[tidal fiber]

Allegations like these are best left to authorities and professionals

Not Reddit keyboard warriors

[rigid vigil]

You can call folks that, but it doesn't change the fact that people are supporting these projects financially and with support of a community.

I believe people have the right to know the actions of those that they give their money to.

[tidal fiber]

Giving money to someone you don’t personally know sounds like an issue of its own

[rigid vigil]

That's any vendor.

So that point is....pointless to make.

[tidal fiber]

Vendors have reputation

[rigid vigil]

He had one, he ruined it with how he responded.

At what point is Usagi responsible for his own life?

Is everyone else to blame? Or does he have accountability?

Thats important. This wouldn't have happened if he just made a new discord.

[tidal fiber]

People have different responses to pressure

Especially pressure of allegations this heavy

[terse walrus]

Do you have any screenshots of them? I can't find much on the grooming allegations through google

[tidal fiber]

Which is why I say leave it to professionals and authorities to figure out

[rigid vigil]

Those came after.

And if you know yourself, especially at 28, why would you bring that much attention to yourself?

Did your android front end need a direct?

Or could you have released it

[tidal fiber]

It’s way too common for people to throw these kinds of allegations on someone cuz they said something someone didn’t like

[rigid vigil]

You have to look out for you, the pushback shouldn't be lambasted, its the actions.

[rigid vigil]

Its also far more common for personalities to actually have done the crimes

[tidal fiber]

[rigid vigil]

You can acknowledge that allegations are fake in cases, but that doesn't mean the person should be treated as a victim of false allegations from the start.

Theyre neutral.

So treat them like that. Dont dismiss.

[terse walrus]

I would imagine the direct was to stay in people's minds and help get more funds for the project

[rigid vigil]

The trailers and dev logs would actually have done better.

The direct brought in too much traffic and could overwhelm for a small team.

[rigid vigil]

Also, yes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/comments/1p8r9h8/comment/nr7bjcq/

[tidal fiber]

I guess I just have an innocent until proven guilty mindset

[rigid vigil]

Alot of us do, the issue is mods of the server corroborated this

And its not looking good if you really read through em.

So, make your own decisions.

I only take issue with people downplaying how folks feel about the things that were said.

It's more immature to downplay and tell people how they should feel when they're the direct target of hateful statements.

It shows low development of empathy and low intellectual reasoning.

Offense is allowed to be taken, and that's ok.

Same way "He's only human" is said, so is everyone else.

Including those unhappy with him. Humanity isn't a defense, its a nature.

[tidal fiber]

There’s a difference between downplaying and being skeptical

[terse walrus]

Do we know how old he is?

[rigid vigil]

28

I thought he was young and forgave it at first but...nah.

He's older than me by 3 years.

[rigid vigil]

And that's allowed. It's just....if you check his community.

They're extreme. Far more extreme than any of his criticism.

Im seeing alot of downplaying.

Also, why is this chat still here? Yeah this is dead.

[round timber]

I don’t like how this convo has been going so I’m going to duck out.

Before I do go tho

Yes I agree that there needs to be proof. In general I believe victims but there have been incidents of false accusations in cases in the past. This is a complex issue that goes beyond this incident and it’s not the best to debate in a retro handheld discord.

However we know for a fact that this guy has said incredibly unsavoury stuff and I don’t like how easy that is to be dismissed particularly in the current powder keg of a political age we’re living in. People’s lives have been ruined or even lost because of the words and sentiments expressed towards them - whether or not something was meant to be private or not is immaterial - it was ultimately not private and it means that regardless of the other shit, I personally would not support this project.

We’ve all said dumb shit. This was recent and bad and can’t be hand waved away.

[forest pagoda]

Looks like Sapphire Lair is continuing work on the launcher by themselves

[rigid vigil]

I agree entirely.

[cunning zealot]

Ultimately up to personal preference whether you as an individual choose to support them/follow development

[forest pagoda]

Usagi is out of the picture now so i'll probably keep supporting them anyway

[cunning zealot]

Not knowledgeable enough about the current unsavory allegations to speak on them though given they’re purported as allegations I’ll treat them as such, innocent until proven guilty

As for the shit that was said that kicked this off, I stand by what I said

[pearl vector]

Funniest response when things first went down

[rigid vigil]

Id argue tho, by this stuff being in a public server, it wasnt even private

[cunning zealot]

Personally I’d rather worry about the politician level decisions being made in the world ruining peoples lives by the millions as opposed to some random devs old discord chats being reposted years later

[forest pagoda]

A bunch of children storming the discord and getting channels locked by being edgy

[cunning zealot]

Truth most people aren’t going to be happy about is the vast majority of people have said shit they’d rather not have repeated publicly/in a professional setting

This is something that’s been statistically tested repeatedly

[forest pagoda]

At this point they should rebrand and make a new discord

[round timber]

You’re right but two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive. It’s like when people say why donate to an animal charity when sick children are in the world. 🤣

[cunning zealot]

They don’t

I agree

[rigid vigil]

People do

[cunning zealot]

But for me personally

It’s a matter of if it’s really that important enough to lose any sleep over

[round timber]

I mean the funny thing is this is just a vapourware PowerPoint presentation

[cunning zealot]

And I simply cannot justify caring that much about it, personally

[rigid vigil]

And I don't get it. I saw someone saying "Everyone buying a Switch 2 when Gaza was ___", now that.

That's virtue signalling.

I couldn't stop laughing

[round timber]

Oh Bluesky, as much as i prefer it to twitter, is rampant with that sort of stuff

[rigid vigil]

Yep

[forest pagoda]

Used a alpha of iisu it was just basic frontend features with most things in the launcher being mockups

[rigid vigil]

Yeah that's vaporwave

Wow.

[round timber]

The only reason we are discussing this tho @cunning zealot is because we’re in and enjoy this space. Nobody outside of here is talking about it, it’s not some big thing elsewhere

[cunning zealot]

True that

[round timber]

Does anybody remember the ocean marketing guy? He was a subset of the game industry’s main character for the week. Same as usagi

[pearl vector]

Not familiar, but yeah, people and situations like this come and go

[forest pagoda]

I just don't even understand how you can just reuse a old server instead of making a new one it's free

[pearl vector]

Lazy

[round timber]

I’m interested to see if he just completely ducks out of the public eye as he says or if he goes down the Grummz grifter route

[tidal fiber]

Hopefully for his sake he stays out

[round timber]

Yeah.

[cosmic magnet]

I mean the front end is what a lot of us want

[round timber]

The presentation made me realise that all I really want is a FE with RA baked in hahah

[rigid vigil]

I'd also argue that another big reason, and this is for both sides to an extent.

Alot of POC and LGBTQ people were excited for this project, and the statements and what was said actually did upset them.

And for those that do defend iiSU, those folks just want the project, but kind of fail to realize that, you can't just handwave this stuff.

The real bad guy in this situation is THEY DIDN'T MAKE A NEW DISCORD

It's FREE BRO

And you were adding social media to this??

No you aint!

[round timber]

That’s the real mistake they made I suppose. But this stuff always comes out in the wash.

[forest pagoda]

Wouldn't surprise me if most of his work is just AI at this point

[tidal fiber]

Pretty sure usagi wasn’t doing any of the coding

[rigid vigil]

Only art stuff

And maybe UI

[round timber]

It’s like JK Rowling could have gone down in history with other beloved children’s authors but she couldn’t stop opening her mouth about shit that didn’t affect her in any material way and then dedicated her life to harassing some of the most vulnerable people in society.

But I’m glad she let us know who she really was, tbh. Same here.

[tidal fiber]

I mean people gotta separate art from the artist to a point

[round timber]

Hopefully usagi is sincere, gets offline and lives his life having grown as a person. Based on the apology. I doubt it. But hopefully.

[tidal fiber]

I lot of your favorite authors have unsavory opinions

[pearl vector]

People are allowed to be upset, just as much as people have a chance to change

[tidal fiber]

Live and learn

[round timber]

I’ll always love Harry Potter. It was my childhood. But I won’t support her financially going forward. That’s my stance.

[forest pagoda]

With how he just dipped from every discord he was in i kinda doubt that he'll change personally

[rigid vigil]

Yeah his statement before leaving shows he actually wasnt too sorry.

[pearl vector]

Not surprised

But that's just how it is most of the time

[rigid vigil]

Also, you can't seperate the art from the artist for Harry Potter, she funds her hatred....so

But I get it

[forest pagoda]

Hope they just redesign most things in the launcher rebrand and open up a new discord to seperate as far from this as possible

[rigid vigil]

Absolutely rebrand

[cosmic magnet]

I mean it’s tough to constantly be torn down when providing a near free service

But yea some time away from the internet for sure

[cunning zealot]

Just saw the Facebook shit

Still holding my breath but

Yeah that’s bad

[spare urchin]

A rebrand is most definitely needed

Dunno how much it'll help but you'd wanna distance the project from a former dev.

[pearl vector]

That's another team member out

[cunning zealot]

Who was it

Also assuming iisu remains a pipe dream

What are we thinking is the next best thing currently

[pearl vector]

Someone by the name of Leonie

[cunning zealot]

Ah

Assumed it’d be the mf usagi handed things off to ngl

[pearl vector]

Had to backlog to see what her role was

[rigid vigil]

Ikr

[cunning zealot]

“Crucial first step” yeah we’re cooked

[pearl vector]

This is the guy she handed it off to (announcement was just made)

(May have to open in browser)

[cunning zealot]

Design style in tact

[pearl vector]

(There was a tldr at the very end)

[cunning zealot]

Not bad if it progresses

[spare urchin]

We'll see how it goes.

Most projects that lose their head tend to fizzle out.

[cunning zealot]

Yee

[sharp turret]

With all the love for the Wii/3DS menu style I feel they can keep it alive and or get more people involved

[meager wigeon]

the comment about negativity and hate pointed at usagi as if the entire issue wasn't that usagi's hateful comments

[deft drum]

the way people have been defending him is pretty sad tbh

i hate how people seem to not care about the very obviously harmful actions performed by a person if it means they can have their cool toy

[meager wigeon]

it feels like it should be really simple

but like it's not even separating art from artist when the art doesn't exist

[deft drum]

exactly

there's a lot of xenophobic fuckery in RH spaces, ive noticed, it's really disappointing

[meager wigeon]

extremely unfortunate

[tidal fiber]

There’s a lot of xenophobia on the internet in general

[floral panther]

Twitter literally being people clicking "about this account" now

[tidal fiber]

Twitter is a shit hole and does not exist as far as I care

[deft drum]

well yes but it's worse in these spaces, I've found

[floral panther]

Very true.

[deft drum]

feel like it's because people are focused on playing Games and as result

yk

gamers and a focus on doing things the classic way leads to regressive beliefs, idk

[pearl vector]

It was a nice surprise for people making a side hustle out of sowing discourse in a country they don't even live in, but yeah, it got bad fast

[broken kelp]

I think it's gaming in general

It's certainly much worse in modern gaming debates

[deft drum]

mhm. i just feel it's worse in retro spaces especially

but gaming in general is definitely a tricky space

[eager flint]

Aside from the controversies do we think it’s actually ever going to get finished? Scope seems enormous and if the guy who was allegedly financing the whole thing is kicked out how is it going to happen?

[meager wigeon]

it's probably just gonna vanish when the few remaining people realize it is completely unsustainable

or the final product will be extremely halfbaked

[deft drum]

afaik they're stripping back scope quite a bit, but there's definitely people still working on the core launcher experience

they lost their backend dev for web stuff so all that kinda has to be canned unless a replacement is found

[cosmic magnet]

They limited scope today

[cosmic magnet]

Once alpha v3 comes out, if I can launch my games from it and it looks pretty, I’d say it’s 90% there for most people

[floral panther]

In all fairness I'd likely be in prison before it launched anyway so I'm not really missing out

[cosmic magnet]

Wishing you the best tech priest

[eager flint]

I like the magnetic tile shifting idea with the tiles I am most excited about that tbh

[broken kelp]

In modern gaming I see way more fascists and people who don't even really play games talk about x game is woke and going after devs and actors in the games

ESDE is not getting proper dual screen support any time soon

[broken kelp]

I honestly hope they can all of that stuff. Just give me a great dual screen frontend and i'm happy

[deft drum]

exactly!

honestly im still holding out for a preexisting launcher to add dual screen support

beacon maybe

[broken kelp]

Beacon would be the easiest since they don't have custom themes to account for and Daijisho is not even in development anymore

I love Beacon functionally. It's my go-to launcher for any single screen device

[deft drum]

ive never used it but i know its newer lmao

maybe ill try it after i get my thor back from ayn

[meager wigeon]

did your thor have issues needing to be sent in?

[deft drum]

yep. bottom screen is broken, got it literally last night lol

[meager wigeon]

oh my god

[broken kelp]

It gets a bit boring visually cause you can't change up the theme much but it's more responsive than Daijisho and it has easy acces to all of your android apps and settings

[meager wigeon]

that is so rough

[deft drum]

its nbd

ayn will eventually respond -_-

[meager wigeon]

hopefully ...

[broken kelp]

And I do like how sleek and clean it all looks

[broken kelp]

Oh no :/

AYN customer service is pretty good from what I hear

[deft drum]

as have i

[meager wigeon]

i'm heavily debating getting a thor or the rg ds cuz on one hand i don't need much so the rg ds is fine for most of my cases, on the other hand i would never need to buy a new handheld if i get the thor, on the other hand it's $100 vs $350...

but yeah idk i hope at least the failure of iisu may inspire somebody to try and fill the void of dual screen launchers

[deft drum]

i really like the thor, even if mine is (partially) broken. it's a very good console if you're into the 3ds experience

[meager wigeon]

i used to use the 3ds like nuts, got a new battery for it recently but the r button has died from a decade of love

[broken kelp]

I've heard nothing but bad things about the RG DS

[meager wigeon]

steam deck is awesome but too bulky to bring to work for breaks and i like the 34xxsp but it is definitely very limited

[cosmic magnet]

Hope it gets fixed up and sent right back to you 🤞🏼

[deft drum]

same reason i got the thor, actually. although my o3dsxl had the left shoulder die instead. too much pokemon :(

and yeah, don't get the rg ds

[cosmic magnet]

I do not recommend the anbernic device, but if you must get it at least watch the RetroGameCorps review first

[meager wigeon]

rg ds had a bad top screen hz issue but they have fixed it iirc

the other issues are not a big deal cuz it's stuff like no melonds but it's also under $100 and drastic works perfectly for almost every game, and i mostly care about watching youtube / having discord open at the same time as some other game or using it as an ereader

[deft drum]

genuinely do not think amazing firmware could save it

[cosmic magnet]

I got the Thor and sold my steam deck for the same reason! It was tough to lug the steam deck to work every day

On a train with my laptop and lunch

[meager wigeon]

my expectations are thoroughly in check for the rg ds, it really just comes down to "do i think i'll ever spend way more money later" cuz might as well spring for thor if i do

but rg ds has most of my needs down

i will be no better than the gen alpha kids once i unlock handheld dual youtube and video gaming.

[deft drum]

that's reasonable. hopefully you find what you want soon

god yeah

[vernal frost]

I won't be selling my own Deck but god it is great to just pop the Thor open on breaks

[wild crater]

Does anyone have a screenshot of UsagiShade saying "rest assured I will see this project through to the end"

I think it was one of his community posts that he now deleted

[meager wigeon]

i'm a freak and no longer use my steam deck as a handheld but instead as a windows 11 desktop.

the steam machine can't come soon enough

[rigid vigil]

That was in the video

And I actually remember someone memeing that

[wild crater]

In the recent direct or the older video?

[rigid vigil]

Recent

The introductions of the team

[cosmic magnet]

Yea I got a pc earlier this year and I stopped using my deck at home

My situation is different in that case

And the #🐈│retro-game-corps channel helped me out tons 🤞🏼

[rigid vigil]

Which, can I just point out....he said he was going to "financially support this project"

By himself.

Meanwhile, where were the donations and stuff going?

[meager wigeon]

the project really went from interesting to Huh at the scope to nothing so quickly

[cosmic magnet]

Hopefully it is a major success and big games drop their battle eye thing or develop a new one

[meager wigeon]

i'll be running dual boot either way so i'll be balling

[cosmic magnet]

In order to support Steam os

[rigid vigil]

Its like that guy that got depressed in Balan Wonderworld because he was a chess champion and lost once.

That game is funny as hell

[meager wigeon]

buying the thor max just to play balan wonderpeak while watching tiktok at the same time #yeahlifeisawesome #neverkillyourself

[meager wigeon]

bro

https://bsky.app/profile/cochu.bsky.social/post/3m6ph6zmeak2k

Cochu (@cochu.bsky.social)

-# ↩ Cochu (@cochu.bsky.social)
Leonie posts on the official iiSU account, calling the allegations against Usagi "hate criming" and calling for iiSU followers to harass Reverie, the one who originally raised concerns 😭

Bluesky · Nov 28, 2025, 5:52 PM

[meager wigeon]

apparently that was done by leonie before leaving

[deft drum]

oh my god

this team is just

a magnet for bad actors huh

[meager wigeon]

yeah

also i didn't see it earlier and it wasn't posted here but i did find the message of a mod confirming the allegations are probably true (see receipts here https://bsky.app/profile/cochu.bsky.social/post/3m6py3cdqfk2p )

Cochu (@cochu.bsky.social)

-# ↩ Cochu (@cochu.bsky.social)
Wimmie, an (as of today) ex-admin in the iiSU server, just made a thread on Twitter explaining that her attempts to voice her concerns about many of the issues surrounding Usagi were met with pushback, and eventually getting kicked off the team entirely.

Bluesky · Nov 28, 2025, 10:54 PM

the mod in question

• has been friends with usagi for a decade
• had joined the server but sent 2 messages and then didn't look there until years later for iisu so they were unaware of what was happening there with the racist comments
• tried bringing up the topics to usagi and it was handwaved and ignored
• saw the allegations and realized the allegations mention things that line up with their ten years of knowing usagi

[terse walrus]

Sheesh

[meager wigeon]

so uh. it's pretty likely that stuff is true.

[tidal fiber]

I wish my life was boring enough to care about all this stuff lmao

[rigid vigil]

Can you stop doing that?

"I wish I cared about this? Im too employed"

Like dude, you're still in the chat responding like that. If you didn't care, you wouldnt respond.

Im not insulting or confronting you on something aggressive, it just comes off alittle insecure.

[rigid vigil]

I saw this earlier, and yeah, its stupid to pretty much try to get people to dogpile someone.

It's a bad look professionally.

[rigid vigil]

And this is what I referenced earlier.

Yeah, that's baaaad. I care about that.

[tidal fiber]

[pearl vector]

No more baggage from the remaining team at least

[tidal fiber]

That we know of

[pearl vector]

Ah right

I hope*

[tidal fiber]

Yeah it’s a big bummer there’s always gotta be drama with this stuff

I just want a pretty front end man

[pearl vector]

I too, wish people were cool and normal and just made stuff that's enjoyable

[opaque jewel]

Holy crap, wtf did I miss?

[tidal fiber]

everything lmao

[opaque jewel]

Like shit, I never even knew there was a discord for that iiSU thing since I was personally always just waiting for the Lair Launcher Huesos was cooking up.

[pearl vector]

Speaking of, an alpha version of that goes up in like an hour and a half iirc

[opaque jewel]

But apparently that was an old personal server that was stupidly reimplemented into the main discord for iiSU team? And apparently Usagi is the exact type of pos jackass that would pretend freaking 2023-2024 was “a different time”?

[opaque jewel]

Also, why the hell were some people still trying to defend that Usagi guy after this shit?

Guy was a dumbass shithead that brought a bunch of unneeded controversy into the project thanks to him deciding to reuse a completely inappropriate personal server for iiSU, and then when called out for that and for his literally only a couple months old comments, he throws out the laziest “I’m sorry I got caught” ever, just throwing more fuel into the fire that was started by his personal fuck-up.

By that point, all he’s done is make all of the other people involved with iiSU look worse by association, so it makes sense that they’d want to get rid of that exact association.

[deep urchin]

the funniest thing out of all of this is that iisu is more likely to happen now than it was with usagi

[opaque jewel]

No shit, even ignoring the bigoted shit (and imo they honestly shouldn’t be ignored considering how fucking gross some of them were and how little the guy actually cared to give a proper apology for leaving that shit in), the fact most of the feature-creep bloatware was very likely at his demands means that their more likely than not to actually stick to their word on trimming that stuff down to be more realistic and practical.

[pearl vector]

A public alpha version has been released https://www.patreon.com/posts/iisu-alpha-0-0-3-144635981

[tidal fiber]

Kinda felt like a “usagi made a concept he really liked and hired some coders and told them to make it happen” type scenario

[terse walrus]

Looks pretty nice

I like the retro achievements showing on the top screen along with the title card when hovering over a game

[vernal frost]

I know someone linked the Patreon itself, but also there's this

[pearl vector]

This is better, less clicks lol

[deep urchin]

now if only i had pin perms

[shell wraith]

The people still in charge aren't any better.
https://bsky.app/profile/cochu.bsky.social/post/3m6ph6zmeak2k

Cochu (@cochu.bsky.social)

-# ↩ Cochu (@cochu.bsky.social)
Leonie posts on the official iiSU account, calling the allegations against Usagi "hate criming" and calling for iiSU followers to harass Reverie, the one who originally raised concerns 😭

Bluesky · Nov 28, 2025, 5:52 PM

[deft drum]

leonie is gone from the project thankfully

but yes it doesn't bode well

[opaque jewel]

Wait, did they not actually kick that person already for pulling that shit?

[pearl vector]

Yeah, this is definitely a 0.0.3

[opaque jewel]

Cause like, that was literally just them saying “ok, anyone who likes iiSU should go harass this person to hell and back”.

[wild crater]

I was expecting to see this video years later, not days later

[pearl vector]

The devil is quick, but youtubers are faster

[gray spruce]

Tragic, it came and went before people understood it was just a launcher

[wild crater]

I can't believe how many people iiSU attracted that have no idea what a launcher is

GROUNDBREAKING THE FUTURE OF GAMING holy shit are you gonna get sued by Nintendo

Guys have you not heard of ES DE console launcher beacon daijisho

[deep urchin]

this is like my whole point surrounding everything

90% of the people in that discord literally have no clue what a launcher is

[deft drum]

it preyed on people not in the know tbh

[deep urchin]

half of them don't know how to emulate let alone own a handheld

[pearl vector]

I saw so many people post it without even knowing what it is lol

[fading gulch]

Is iisu exclusively for dual screens?

[deep urchin]

iisu is for nothing

[pearl vector]

Nah, single and dual

[fading gulch]

I tried it in my rp4pro and keep getting stuck

Need to close and reopen

[wild crater]

Oh god they think iiSU dying means they can no longeer emulate... no you fukin idiot Dolphin Aethersx2 Eden etc didn't die you can still use them you just have one less option to use as a fancy menu

God im glad i didn't join that discord

[deft drum]

lmao yeah. it baffles me that there wasnt a five minute introduction into what iisu actually is

we know why though

[gray spruce]

literally just putting “concept design” in the first video would’ve been enough

[wild crater]

I just realized this video fuels the fire farther by calling it iiSU EMULATOR

[gray spruce]

I got a laugh out of how many “content creators” were putting out 10+ minute videos about the drama while it was going on

[fading gulch]

Didnt really noticed lol

[gray spruce]

Like thank you sir, for sitting on your bed with a mic reading out this screenshot to me

[fading gulch]

Omg not even the console list is ordered alphabetically

[gray spruce]

Yeah it’s very much just showing off that they’re actually working on something, not really meant to be usable, I don’t think

[fading gulch]

Well after restarting the app like 4 times i managed to actually launch a game

[opaque jewel]

Same here, considering the shit that guy was willing to excuse as being something they said in “the long distant past” of 2024.

[pearl vector]

You should definitely report that to the dev https://github.com/iisu-network/iiSU/issues

[opaque jewel]

Like, for gods sake, that’s not even far back enough for him to not have noticed it before he decided to pull the dumbass move of making that server into the official iiSU discord server.

[fading gulch]

Thats a lot of issues in only an hour

[pearl vector]

Expected for it being this early in development

[fading gulch]

Im guessing scraping isnt implemented either

[pearl vector]

Better to get them sorted out early though

[opaque jewel]

He absolutely should’ve outright expected people to likely be scrolling to the top just to see if there’s any older info they missed on iiSU, only to get blindsided with “sand [redacted]”.

[fading gulch]

The app feels so broken rn i assume nothing is implemented lol

[pearl vector]

It's 0.0.3 alpha so definitely not lol

It's the most basic of basics at the moment

[wild crater]

I'm assuming he at least hid the channels that used to be general for him and his friends. Which is still dumb because if you know how, discord "hidden" channels aren't actually hidden.

[ancient forge]

still closed source?

[meager wigeon]

personally don't trust a download while its closed source

but damn, huesos is still pushing through

[buoyant arch]

indeed

it can launch games

and that's about it

[gray spruce]

They’ve talked about open-sourcing parts of it but yes

[deft drum]

was looking up usagishade's name to see if i could find a reupload of his videos

and

found his linkedin and im a little confused by something on it lmao

his linkedin says he lives in oregon

and its like recently updated in the last few months

was that whole thing he said in the apology about not living in the states just sheer bullshit or

[cosmic magnet]

His activity would suggest he lived in asi

*asia

Judging from 0.0.3 of the alpha I feel like huesos is close to the core launcher functionality, but the Thor makes the experience challenging

Gotta keep input into one screen

Otherwise you’re forced to tap on the display once you want to do anything else

[round timber]

I can’t keep up with who’s problematic or not anymore with this project.

Has all the trash been taken out?

Also I’m surprised the alpha has RA integration

[buoyant arch]

yes.

[fresh totem]

Ugh why they thought it was a good idea to convert their old discord server into iiSU

They could made a new server

[fresh totem]

Yeah that's plain dumb

[cunning zealot]

Mannnn

More screens hit Twitter

Hard to validate due to his accounts going private but

Usagi def in some shit either way

[topaz kernel]

Who is baddie and exactly why? I try to follow the crumbs but it seems to be a case of me being to old to understand how to follow threads in chronological order.

[meager wigeon]

biggest offenders were usagishade himself (racist, transphobic, and did allegedly Really Bad Things To A Young Person though there is a lot of reason to believe the allegations), somebody who said really racist shit who was on the moderation team and not development but i believe removed, and leonie who was handling the backend networking but tried getting a bunch of people to attack the original person who brought up the concerns and handwaved bigotry

there is technically a little more but those were the three greatest offenders

[fresh totem]

I don't know honestly

I don't know honestly

I don't really care about these situations as long iiSU are alive

[tidal fiber]

It’s Twitter drama as far as I’m concerned

[opaque jewel]

And good news is that iiSU should stay alive as long as the people still on the team don’t fuck up as well.

All this did is root out a few problematic shitheads, that would’ve just made things worse in the long run considering they were literally the head admin, a mod, and a dev team member with modding permissions respectively (a very freaking bad mix when receipts are still being pulled out on one of them being very inappropriate around minors).

[meager wigeon]

twitter drama is not "do i trust a consistently lying and deceptive team that does not even have anything functional yet and where the lead developer was a creep towards minors with all my files and my device and home internet connection"

[opaque jewel]

Hey, shit talking the other dev team members for iiSU’s shit isn’t ok, considering they literally only joined up to begin with to help out with something that looked like it could be cool.

[topaz kernel]

Such a weird juxtapose when the only thing you've heard from usagi was the recent iiSU presentation/trailer. Would have never guessed racism, transphobia and perversion was behind that figure.

Still, kinda want to see usagi actually say what allegedly has been said. If it was on public grounds there's surely screenshots around?

[opaque jewel]

And I do mean iiSU’s shit, considering he and Leonie were 2 of the main people that were actively making all that development-delaying feature-creep required.

Guy was having a negative impact on the whole thing even when ignoring the outright heinous bullshit and only focusing on the project itself.

[meager wigeon]

where's the shittalking though, this is entirely rooted in the truth?

is it not true that they presented concepts several times as if it is completed work when barely any of it is even remotely functional?

is it not true that it took several days before any of the team members were filtered out to what is currently left?

is it not true that the project had a massively high scope and they have not yet stated they are culling any of the planned features?

this is a project tied to so much misinformation and bad actors with closed source code and you ARE trusting them with your files and potential data and internet connection and retroachievements api key by installing their stuff. what have they done to earn trust?

all i am saying is, it's not just "twitter drama," and it's important to consider before installing somebody's barely functioning program to your device if you care at all about security

[terse walrus]

To be fair to huesos I believe that the launcher was being worked on before iiSU and was later turned into the iiSU launcher

[fresh totem]

I mean who think it's a good idea to convert a regular server into a community server

I mean mind you I adored iiSU for looks,UI and the features

[meager wigeon]

that is true, and i do think their drive is legitimate, but it still is a closed source program from somebody who doesn't exactly have a reputation to help back them up. i think it's never unfair to have at least some caution before installing software that can be potentially damaging to any devices

[fresh totem]

But Christ man don't fuck it up because of something unrelated

[fading gulch]

Dude its just a frontend

Why put up with all that crap just for a frontend

[meager wigeon]

there's several well established, reputable, open source alternatives

[opaque jewel]

Oh trust me, I fully agree that the current shit is not just “Twitter Drama” like some assholes want to pretend it was. I’m just against lumping in Huesos on Usagi’s bullshit, but I can at least still agree on avoiding iiSU for now since it’s objectively still in early alpha and definitely shows it.

[fresh totem]

I know because it is one of the best looking frontend I've ever seen

[fading gulch]

Some people hasve iisu in a pedestal it doesnt deserves because it doesnt do anything yet

[fading gulch]

Its not, its all concept art

[meager wigeon]

iisu sold you on a product that literally does not exist

[fading gulch]

Their discord was full of people that doesnt even know what emulation is

[fresh totem]

But here's the thing even if it's a concept art someone can be heavily inspired to make one

[meager wigeon]

but that doesn't mean the product exists

[fading gulch]

Thats like simping to AI

Bro what are you doing

Its not real

[opaque jewel]

And then when someone else wanted to use some of the assets to make their own launcher look nicer, the snake oil seller then convinced them to “Dinosaur Planet” their in-the-works launcher to instead become that product (and it’s still not even the as-advertised product).

[fading gulch]

Worst part is, next iisu updates(if any) are gonna be patreon only, and people that already paid for patreon are gonna say its the best thing ever

[meager wigeon]

restaurants these days use fake or exaggerated images of food all the time for menus. the food looks good and maybe somebody out there will make something like it or maybe somebody once cooked something for a picture alone. but that doesn't mean you're gonna get what's on the picture. a lot of the time that doesn't exist.

i'm not gonna give them points for making a picture and telling me it's what i'm getting when they have very little to show for it

[fresh totem]

No iiSU is a mockup not a concept

[fading gulch]

People willing to let racism and a list of horrible things slide because the marketing was good need to be studied tbh

[fresh totem]

Does it exist ?,publically no

[meager wigeon]

if huesos' work ends up coming into fruition later down the line, then cool! i have nothing against that. but right now there is very little there. and trust is earned, not given by default

[fading gulch]

Can't be a mockup if not even the main screen looks are broken

[fresh totem]

Yeah I see your point bro

[fading gulch]

I just woke up and my english is still loading but i think i made my point lol

[meager wigeon]

you're good lmao

[fresh totem]

Bro my English is running like windows vista

[fresh totem]

Nah you're fine man

[round timber]

Honestly I don’t understand the attitude of “I don’t care about this if I get the FE”. How does people who think like this get through life so unaware of shit.

[fresh totem]

It is a tough question

Because they put controversy about something unrelated

But it's the internet

Actually come think of it, since they showcased the concepts and presentation of iiSU, do they have a footage of actual dev

[meager wigeon]

do you mean like, what progress actually exists?

[fresh totem]

Yupp

[meager wigeon]

huesos has released the 0.0.3 alpha publicly if that is what you are asking and it is extremely early into any work

[fresh totem]

Hmmm that is a concern

[meager wigeon]

that is where all my "barely functional" comments come from because is looks nothing like the concept are and is broken for almost every function

the product literally does not exist

[fresh totem]

Cause they said that it will release by next year, so it sounds too rushed

[meager wigeon]

what does exist is so far from their proposed plans that it isn't accurate to call it the same

[cosmic magnet]

Why would people care about what goes on in a front end for a niche gaming community when they have bills to pay

The amount of people I know that can’t even pronounce steam deck correctly because it’s such a foreign concept - and that’s our most popular device

[fresh totem]

Ngl that is funny

[meager wigeon]

people put a lot of blind trust in everything in this hobby honestly

[round timber]

The privileged attitude of “I don’t care about this just give me the product” is not good.

As a community we should strive to protect our colleagues and friends and ignoring this stuff just enables it to flourish

You don’t have to care but it says a lot about someone in my eyes

[meager wigeon]

like people still shill gamehub lite as if it isn't ALSO closed source and thus still has a lot of potential security concerns, on top of the original dev being xenophobic towards chinese people on reddit. but it's now in the hands of emuready who are arguably a lot more reputable

[cosmic magnet]

Okay I do agree with you there that if you actively see someone get shamed or bullied you should speak up

[round timber]

Granted as a society we forgive a lot of uncomfortable truths to enjoy the things we do

[fresh totem]

True

[round timber]

Or ignore, not forgive

[meager wigeon]

agreed

[round timber]

Anyway it sounds like the bad eggs are out of the carton now

[meager wigeon]

the only way to keep this hobby as a whole in good health is to actually try to maintain that integrity

[fresh totem]

Indeed

As long as iiSU is alive and active i guess it's good

I mean I don't know how long they had been developed for ,it would be a shame if they cancel it

[meager wigeon]

well, as alive as "mostly just one guy working on an extremely, extremely early prototype" is

[fresh totem]

I mean I don't what's their progress is

[meager wigeon]

https://youtu.be/Uii4Cn7tTWk

it's a little outdated because the newer build is a little more polished but this video shows a build from days ago

[fresh totem]

Oh thank you Mary!

[meager wigeon]

i think even just a glance at any of it is enough to go "wait this is not even remotely close lmao" how did they think this was gonna be done in april

[fresh totem]

Oh it's like a pseudo XMB

[fresh totem]

Yeaaaaa that's the main concern

[opaque jewel]

Especially since apathy is exactly how these types of jackasses thrive and continue doing shit that shouldn’t be “ok-ed”.

[fresh totem]

You know what? I do have a question,what is the best frontend?

[meager wigeon]

entirely subjective but popular ones are es-de, beacon, and daijisho (though daijisho development ended long ago)

[fresh totem]

I might have a look ,I might considering thing about getting AYN thor

[meager wigeon]

just see if their ui looks like something you like and if the featureset matches your needs, unfortunately there is no good dual screen launcher yet

though es-de at least can launch on a different screen, like if you set it to the bottom screen and then have it launch on the top one

[fresh totem]

Ok thank you so much for your help

[buoyant arch]

the video contains an alpha from 2 months ago released a week into iiSU development

it's severely outdated, and half the frontend has been rewritten since

[buoyant arch]

just because SapphireRhodonite is the only one posting updates doesn't mean it's just him

the whole development team has been hard at work on the alphas and backend

here's a short, more up-to-date video from a member in the iiSU discord

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444176569848430642/1444180348874522655/20251129_141636.mp4?ex=692c6e02&is=692b1c82&hm=732f3cf8e47cc320264c72f5da84e2dcae4cc95d64d3b98bfc3167a444739d1a&

[fading gulch]

For the record, it took me restarting the app 4 times just to scan my library and launch a gba game on a single screen device

[buoyant arch]

i'd reccomend making an issue report on the github so problems like this can be fixed

it is still just an alpha and very buggy

[fading gulch]

Theres already a lot of open issues and next updates are gonna be patreon only, so i dont really see the point

[meager wigeon]

i was talking about the programming side, a day ago he confirmed he is the sole programmer at the moment

and i did mention that footage was an earlier build and that there is the 0.0.3 public alpha but still has an extremely large amount of functionality issues

[buoyant arch]

ah, my bad

[pearl vector]

Alright but yours, though

You never know if it's the first of its kind for your situation

[vernal frost]

Eventually the product will be public and everyone pointing out errors and points to fix now while it's available is good faith to help fix it for everyone.

I don't have time to set up iiSU rn after spending my night getting Beacon and Nova set up but anyone downloading an alpha should be ready to deal with bugs and hopefully report them.

Alphas are meant for bugbusting, not robust using.

[true cypress]

Honestly most of the networking features from iiSU are just taken from pictoverse. their scope is way too large with too many honestly unneccessary features. But the biggest thing im not a fan of is it being closed source

[fading gulch]

Arent most frontends closed source? Thats common

[true cypress]

idc nonstarter for me

[fading gulch]

Then you're no front-end team?

[true cypress]

Emulation Station DE

[fading gulch]

Closed source

[terse walrus]

Closed source* (*Partially on the android version according to them)

[fading gulch]

Have you seen the repo? Literally the core that allows it to be built and translated is closed source, there could be anything there

Dont get me wrong, its understandable since they sell the app

My point is most of the frontends are closed sourced, even the free ones

So i really dont see it as a dealbreaker, if any, its the standard

[true cypress]

https://github.com/rr-retroroot/emulationstation-de

[fading gulch]

Outdated fork, official repo is up to date

[cosmic magnet]

I wonder why people say there’s an abundance of open source front ends then. A decent amount of people talk down iiSU because it’s closed source

But console launcher, esde, Daijisho

[ancient forge]

closed source and for sale is ok, just normal business. Closed source and asking for donation is highly frowned upon

Closed source and asking for free labor is highly highly frowned upon

[deep urchin]

My honest-to-god opinion is that in the emulation scene, closed source is bad period the end.

[ancient forge]

people are allowed to make money, just make it a business, not a community project and asking for free labor and donations

[tidal fiber]

How is asking for donations worse than asking for money

[ancient forge]

a sale is a contractual obligation with responsibilities. A donation is screw you I do what I want

[tidal fiber]

You don’t have to donate

Pretty sure that level of risk comes with donations in general

[ancient forge]

you can have your own opinion, I have my own. My opinion is community projects like this should be opensource

this is kickstarter debate all over again

[deep urchin]

"you don't have to donate" might be the single worst possible response actually

[tidal fiber]

I mean

You don’t

😅

[fading gulch]

Theres not much business in open sourcing tho

Why would someone opersource while trying to monetize off it

I dont think you guys really understand the work put behind even the simpler things

Just so someone forks it and sells it in whatever appstore? Not a good business

I feel like FOSS is being used as a buzzword more than anything nowadays, dont even realize what means

[ancient forge]

then sell it on app stores. Don't make it a community project and asking for free labor/donation

[fading gulch]

Look at es-de

[terse walrus]

I don't see too much issue on letting people donate to a project, and letting them use a early build of it as a bonus isn't free labour it is just something fun

[fading gulch]

They couldn't sell it in google play

Or the shitty amazon store

[fading gulch]

Free labor? How can they ask for free labor in closed source?

[ancient forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1p9mipt/papaya_frontend_for_android_is_here_open_alpha/
see this, they made a launcher and sell it, perfectly fine!