OneXFly Apex

[odd heron]

385/395+ Handheld slated 2026

https://youtu.be/y-pur_U0mxU?si=hMzDYeNG768r0fta

https://videocardz.com/newz/onexplayer-onexfly-apex-gaming-handheld-with-amd-ryzen-ai-max-395-strix-halo-apu-announced

Slated for next year

Not OLED btw

[mental tulip]

Appreciate the creation.

[mental tulip]

https://tenor.com/v2aU.gif

[karmic arch]

Think I’d need oled for whatever it’ll it cost

[mental tulip]

🙏 Ayaneo

[karmic arch]

Next 2?

Have ayaneo released anything with oled?

[mental tulip]

We can all dream. But there's no 8" OLED panel maker that's widely used right now.

Googling best I can find are some individual panels with ribbon connectors for DIY folks.

[mental tulip]

The 3 (HX 370).

But that's 7".

From their Discord serv just now (official OXP post).

[karmic arch]

The what?

[mental tulip]

https://www.ayaneo.com/product/AYANEO-3

The. THREE 😛

[karmic arch]

Ahh $1400

[karmic arch]

Ooh a place to clip the battery? 😅

[sterile drum]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

Not sure I trust OneX after the Sugar debacle + have a feeling it will be tge most expensive AI Max handheld

[odd heron]

$1400. I think. Which isn't bad.

Honestly OneXSugar may have been heavy on the sugar 😆

[sterile drum]

Im guessing this will have the same screen MSI uses

[odd heron]

Yeah. Think the only breakthrough screen is the Lego 2

At least as far as x86 goes

I imagine the ayaneo Next 2 is probably using a similar ips

[fallen forum]

LETS GOOOO SEGA NOMAD ERA RETURNS

[still finch]

https://tenor.com/view/m4rkdoll-gif-5238933771739046910

[odd heron]

Yeah. Unfortunately over 7" there just aren't many oled options. Why Lego 2 is awesomely unique

[still finch]

should have gone 7" OLED tbh

I don't think the benefit of the extra inch is worth losing OLED

[mild lagoon]

I love this form factor regardless of oled

[mental tulip]

They probably saw all the "I'd get a Win 5 but that 7 inches..." comments 😅

[odd heron]

Yeah. Jesus. There's a ton of those

I'm like. Either way these things are giant bricks

[wise pivot]

“Detachable liquid cooling”, however the hell that is going to work, sounds like a better idea than detachable battery. I always thought implementing extra active cooling into some type of docking station to unlock a higher tdp while keeping the handheld device itself thin would be amazing. This seems like it might be doing something like that, very interested.

Also, this is literally the best screen possible for this device. 8.8 is too big and 7 is too small. Unfortunately there is no oled option in this size yet.

[mild lagoon]

Yeah the battery is removable

Booooo

No me gusta

[odd heron]

Next II still looking like the winner. Feel like between OneX, Ayaneo and GPD I've heard less support horror stories with ayaneo as well

Tho I'd def order from droix if possible

[odd heron]

https://youtu.be/b0XoG9QcHro?si=qbKzv_-h9WSFxeC6

[sterile drum]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13031104854113737447

Still

Does this use a external battery like GPD ?

[mental tulip]

Looks like it based on the rendering holes on the back of the device.

Not too surprising given the heavier cooling solution needed with a 395 in handheld form.

[sterile drum]

I get why they have to do it but I don't have to like it

Either way not interested in anything made by OneX after they screwed up my order big time a while back no matter how cool it may seem ....oh well

[odd heron]

Yeah. All brands launching one I'm kinda eh on

Ayaneo probably the safest bet

Assuming they don't totally fuck thermals. But at this point I feel like they learned their lesson

[mental tulip]

The Fit had a strong first impression from reviews 🍀

[odd heron]

Yeah. Of the 3 id probably wait for that one

[mental tulip]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/onexfly-apex-world-s-most-powerful-8-inch-handheld/coming_soon/x/38755918

[odd heron]

Always love the sign up for 30% discount

[dire steeple]

Looks comfy, but no front-firing speakers at this size and price point?

[cursive rune]

Loved mine. Screen couldnt keep up with Sonic sometimes. I think the external battery pack took 6 AA and that only got you so far 🥹

[odd heron]

Should be more news dropped tomorrow. So I'll post what I find

[odd heron]

https://youtu.be/14Nm3kckyUg?si=uU86mDwiZwzvmf7S

No new info just eta

[hollow turtle]

price still undecided on this bad boy?

[odd heron]

Haven't heard anything unfortunately. Was hoping they'd announce after holidays but they'll probably wait til Monday

[sterile drum]

Not sure about the D-pad, triggers and buttons being gold , makes it look kind of cheap in a weird way

[oak crypt]

Yeah it's a bit gaudy, think I would've preferred their typical capital G Gamer aesthetic instead

[odd heron]

Yeah. I think cause it's "apex" they went bling

Maybe they'll have another colorway? Probably not tho

I'll look past it if I have to

[hollow turtle]

A

[slim bramble]

If the controls and ergos are anything like the F1 Pro, I'm gonna like this a lot

[odd heron]

https://www.youtube.com/live/EeySv3NWLV0?si=Ed_xgHFFbqSypjWV

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1wXsmzSEBC

https://www.youtube.com/live/EeySv3NWLV0?si=V80zhOW8a3_AaXie

[sterile drum]

We have a price for this yet?

[odd heron]

Nah. I imagine it'll drop during stream

[pliant fable]

https://youtu.be/SXsm6SjUW9M?si=UnClsEDN3xHwqvw4

[slim bramble]

Just in time for me to decide if I need to cancel my GPD Win 5 pledge 🤓

[mental tulip]

$1260 for initial Chinese buyers 385 spec 🥵

[sterile drum]

What's the battery situation for this ?

[odd heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMLaLjGqPv0

[odd heron]

Pretty sure it's either 80 or 85wh

External

[fallen forum]

this shit is wild 😅

Also, is that Tobey Maguire?

[sterile drum]

Any idea how long that’s supposed to last ?
Of course different wattages are going to be different times but on average?

[odd heron]

Like you said. Just depends. Max performance maybe an hour. But at 15 tdp the same as a z2e or hx370

[slim bramble]

So who’s cancelling their GPD Win 5 for this?

This looks like it has the ergos and screen of the LeGo S, power of the Win 5, and it’s like $200 cheaper 😱

[odd heron]

I would. But I never joined win 5 to start. 7" just seemed wasteful for something already large and heavy

[slim bramble]

Yea idk how they made it so much lighter. But I love my F1 Pro and how good the controls feel. Ergos too considering how slim it is

As soon as I confirm my Apex order I’m gonna cancel my Win 5, this just seems like the better device in pretty much every aspect

[odd heron]

Yeah. I mean win 5 has OLED going for it

But the go s screen def isn't a bad one

[pliant fable]

They need better sign builders. Look how crooked and misaligned those letters look. I can't unsee that.

[pliant fable]

In the local China market. I believe those prices will go higher for the international market.

[slim bramble]

yea OLED isn't the be all end all, at least for me

[mental tulip]

Win 5 uses the same screen as the Ally. 7" IPS. Not OLED.

[odd heron]

Oh snap. Feel less bad then. Kinda wild considering 7" OLEDs with high refresh exist

[slim bramble]

The F1 Pro has a 7” 144Hz OLED, but its native portrait

[odd heron]

I mean even Odin 2 portal is 120 hz

Ayaneo 3. Tho that is the 144hz I'm pretty sure

So many options

[slim bramble]

well the O2P is Android and GameHub is still very new and not that performant. AYANEO 3 is HX 370, and I personally am not interested in buying any new HX 370's, I already have the F1 Pro, looking for the next level of performance, so it's really between the Win 5 and Apex

[slim bramble]

Do we know when the IGG is supposed to go live?

[odd heron]

I just meant 7" OLED options

With high refresh

All they lack is vrr. Which is situational

[jovial iron]

what's the weight on this thing

[slim bramble]

699 grams is the number I was seeing. I think that’s with the battery

Ended up keeping my Win 5 order, hopefully I can afford the Apex when it goes live, and figure out which one I wanna keep

[mental tulip]

Marketplace has entered the chat

[odd heron]

https://youtu.be/QOMEXU1JBzY?si=zm6y3_KSUARyndow

[signal garnet]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/OneXFly-Apex-Complete-global-launch-plans-revealed-for-new-liquid-cooling-AMD-Strix-Halo-gaming-handheld.1155804.0.html

Looks like they revealed some details

https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/one-netbook/onexfly-apex-world-s-most-powerful-8-inch-handheld?ref=explore-creator-page

[slate nexus]

No OLED 🙁

[slim bramble]

wow that's actually pretty reasonable pricing, especially compared to the LeGo 2, and you're getting a 395

base model either air or liquid cooled is all you need for gaming, 32 GB is plenty, and just upgrade the storage yourself

[odd heron]

Base is only 385. Probably want at least the next tier up

[signal garnet]

Base spec will prob be enough for me, 385 seems powerful enough

Im not sure what that liquid cooling is going to do though

[odd heron]

Just seems silly if your paying this much and it's not for OLED or anything ground breaking. Might as well get max power and longevity for the money

[signal garnet]

385 is still a pretty big jump in power

[odd heron]

For sure. But it's also a decent jump in price. Feel like if you're buying it to use for a while, the 395/48 is the sweet spot

[stone tiger]

damn finally this monster chipsets goes cheaper

395 liquid cooled for just 1650$ in insane

[signal garnet]

Yea i haven't fully decided yet, just seems like the 385 should be enough

I hope phawx gets a 385 so we can see some of his benchmarks

[slim bramble]

I agree, especially since we’re not getting a new AMD chip for at least another year or so, so future proofing makes more sense

[weak sage]

So does the liquid cooled one always need to be tethered to an external pump/radiator or something? How does it work.

Also have there been any pics of the back with battery ?

[stone tiger]

like that

[weak sage]

Eh.

Just get a laptop or eGPU or desktop or something at that point lol

[stone tiger]

there no way to do it different (when u connect aio cooling it will have 120w mode tdp)

[fathom ruin]

Can't charge via USB?!?!?!

Big pass simply because of that.

"Hi，The APEX must be powered either by the included 240W GaN charger or the 85Wh external battery.
It cannot be powered on using a 65W USB-C adapter, as that is insufficient to drive the system."

They never answered the follow up question of 'how about a powerbank that has 20v7A?' so the assumption is no usb-c charging

[odd heron]

Yeah. Their discord mod is following up with their team tonight

He's not convinced they completely understood the question or how to respond

Like USBC might not be able to keep up with high tdp. But it should def be able to charge the device at low or when it's sleeping

[fathom ruin]

Yeah that’s a possibility because no usb charging really doesn’t make sense

[odd heron]

Yeah. It's one of the frustrations they've had in the past answering questions on IGG

You'd think they'd have an English speaker take on that role but it seems to be something most makers don't bother doing

[fathom ruin]

(On mobile). I was surprised as a onexplayer G1 owner how much they were interacting as I haven’t heard jack for them on other stuff in English. So definitely cool that they can engage in such a way because as you note it seems a rarity

[odd heron]

Yeah. I mean I love their transparency. About a bunch of stuff. Did the G1 thermal fix with a kit they shipped free of charge even tho I bought it second hand

So OneX is pretty solid and I'm all about communicating. But they def still shove Chinese into translation softwar and hope for the best

[fathom ruin]

I have no idea about that - please do tell. I'm assuming mine has it as it was a refurb that came in early Oct?

[fathom ruin]

Yeah, I have issues with the software, but I think that's the same for any non-name brand. The trojan thing is no-good.

[odd heron]

I think it was most common with the top model, and it was only on release, but basically the dram would cap at a much lower level because of thermal issues

so you took it apart and added some pads, and a carbon sheet, and then it was no longer restricted, but it did require taking it mostly apart

[fathom ruin]

Thanks for telling me!

So the refurb came in with a number of issues, I don't think thermal is one of them but I'd like to check - what should the ram be running at? CPU-z should tell me, right?

[odd heron]

Yeah. Let me find the guide

[fathom ruin]

Thanks mate! I appreciate it / zero rush

[odd heron]

Are you in Onex discord?

#1310808800684412988 message

[fathom ruin]

Yeah joined a few weeks ago

[odd heron]

That's the post that discusses it

[fathom ruin]

Ah this is perfect thanks a million mate

[odd heron]

Np man!

[fathom ruin]

yep, got a 64gb one as well, will read this and test my unit

[fathom ruin]

woot woot think I cleared it, run 10 out of 20 on TimeSpy and staying above 40GB the whole time.

I have this unit taped up for a stupid allergy to plastic - if I had to pull everything apart it would be a solid 4 or 5 hours worth of work to apply new plastic barriers

[fathom ruin]

So are people getting the liquid cooling on this?

Does having the liquid cooling version throw off the perf profile when not running on liquid do you think? The unit is 70 grams heavier, but I'd assume it's just not as efficient with the unit running with liquid cooling connections but no movement of liquid unless hooked up externally.

Also, 80w vs 120w on the 395 + is a marginal difference, like 3 to 5 percent or something isn't it?

right they updated indiegogo with the USB charging:

What charging methods does APEX support?
APEX device charging methods:

1. Via GaN fast charging: Use a 240W GaN fast charger to power APEX through the DC port.
2. Using an 85Wh removable external battery.
3. Charging via USB ports (supports up to 100W input power).

Still a bit off from the QA but as long as it charges via USB it's fine that it would require 100W instead of 65W if going off a power brick IMO.

For those not on the mailing list here is a preview of the cooling system

I don't know ya'll I'm highly skeptical of the water cooling being the right way to go - external water cooling on laptops died pretty damn quickly as there were a ton of issues.

And I'm not so sure with everything so tight in there that the water cooled unit runs better than the standard unit when NOT connected to the water cooling apparatus.

Got to say though I'm happy to see them offering 48GB options as that's the best sweet spot IMO.

Unless you're running Ai locally, 16GB of VRAM and 32GB of RAM should handle just about anything you throw at it.

[signal garnet]

I dont need 120w

[odd heron]

Awesome man. Yeah. I think it really was just first wave. And I think they resolved it pretty fast

[odd heron]

Agreed. 48 is the way to go. 32 might be hitting limits

I think a lot of it is AMDs refusal to increment ram dedication. Like it's 16 or less. Being able to run it at like 12/20 or even 8/24 would be cool

[odd heron]

https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/one-netbook/onexfly-apex-world-s-most-powerful-8-inch-handheld

she up

[fathom ruin]

Damn that's a good start for them

that's 1,900% funded in what, 10 minutes or something?

"From Boston to Washington by Train - Only One Battery Swap Needed."

Uh, no. Ya'll have obviously never ridden Amtrack before. Three or four swaps needed given delays and breakdowns

Also, weird metric to advertise. 'only one battery swap needed'

What a weird selling point - I could sell anything just by mentioning a power brick will extend your gameplay.

From NYC to Sydney, just one power brick needed! (brick is 853kwh)

I hope I'm wrong but I think this water cooling thing is going to be a disaster

Sorry, I just can't help myself with this.

"Performance Through You Way - Core in Motion"

Cool.

huh. didn't expect that sort of engineering.

I'm intrigued. That should be just fine, right?

Except if you get the water cooling version you are absent a stand as the water cooling version must have the battery off.

Water cooling bit aside, this device looks super interesting - they've really put some thought into this

What would have me buy the 395+ line if I had the money would be a USB 4 v2 port, a.k.a. Thunderbolt 5 compatible. I can hang 4x4 pci-e ssds off the devices with no worries at that point.

[mental tulip]

Catching up with your journey (last I saw was when you were debating LeGo vs something like a mini/G1). Did you end up settling on anything specific?

[fathom ruin]

Oh hey thanks! Always cool to recognize someone actually reads some of the stupid shit I post, that's very kind.

Got the G1 64gb/4tb for 1,300 refurb off of onexplayer store. I friggin' love it. Such a weird and crazy device. Have it fully banging now as an open file server when not in use with 10gbe, multiple SSD for files, stream deck, etc.

[fathom ruin]

I will say though that I'm disappointed in oculink. Thought I could hang an SSD drive off of it at full speed but other than two devices that don't work at all, there are no oculink SSD readers really.

I could use it as an eGPU for on site Ai gen for the mocap filming I do, but I doubt I have the time or troubleshooting skills to make that work in Ubuntu which is required.

[mental tulip]

Wow that's a banging setup! 🔥

How much more nVME space/speed were you planning on adding? I've seen some nVME enclosures that sound like they would suffice:
https://youtu.be/xDUV2OXJhno

Or that new miniSSD format all the Chinese handheld companies are pushing in lieu of the Occulink:
https://youtu.be/ICwfCYNetq8

[fathom ruin]

That nVME NAS looks SWEET.

It's USB4 though, which delivers at most 3,600 mbps. Oculink/Thunderbolt 5 can deliver full speeds up to 7,000mbps. I'm using USB4 on a 4TB nvme and another trash 512gb nvme that I wasn't using.

Since I have to transfer up to 2 or 3 TB after each mocap session, that extra bandwidth would cut down my transfer speeds to the main rig by half.

Just isn't possible with this device. Oculink should do it quite easily but I was very surprised to find that there are no 'real' oculink SSD readers, the two available is just cheap junk that obviously wasn't ever supposed to really work.

If that nVME had occulink I'd pick it up in a heartbeat as it would handle all my old/aging nVMEs at full speed.

[odd heron]

tru

[mental tulip]

Oh yea, that's double the speed then. Makes sense. Keep forgetting you do mocap work! 🔥

[odd heron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gilQBxv_I_4?si=_r8h0BhKz5CDE-iI

[odd heron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IQxDY3mYcSE?si=5zD9ifcuR5RMhZ4D

[signal garnet]

Dunno why they capped it at 55w even though its plugged in

[odd heron]

They mentioned on their discord it had something to do with showing the mobile performance for comparison to other handhelds which would achieve similar battery life

But yeah. It's a somewhat weird move

Not that at that level of performance you'd really need to go any higher anyway

Probably diminishing returns at a certain point

[signal garnet]

Thats a fair point

[odd heron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gsrcLg5lKNc?si=ALpc4VYUi-wb8ZV8

[fathom ruin]

https://youtu.be/KQNUamC2HLk?si=UIOlZOnpMzgnGobY

This is from Nittrx, so take with a grain of salt or someone help me find that actual reviewer they probably stole from

[sterile drum]

https://youtu.be/BF8zlxkX_RU?si=2xsXs_7tOXYC4ZCK

[signal garnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpz4mmKNvFU

looks like disabling at least 8 cores is the way to go

[fluid lance]

https://youtu.be/p9IagQsnSlU?si=xez2QxQAof00H01g

[sterile drum]

Damn 128GBs of Ram ? What does it cost 10 grand

[weak sage]

Played with this at CES a bit. I have footage I'll edit .
Quick thoughts - feels nice. Like a phat Onexfly F1 Pro. Joysticks and controls feel well placed. Didn't feel super heavy (was holding air cooled one with a battery pack attached).

Didn't really get to test any performance.

[slim bramble]

Have you used the Win 5?

[weak sage]

I have not, unfortunately

[slim bramble]

Ahh ok. I have one and it’s awesome, but I do play 99% with the battery off and plugged in. Ordered the Apex with the water cooler, so I’m very curious as to how that works, and compare with the Win 5 as well

[weak sage]

I vastly prefer an 8" screen so I didn't pay a ton of attention to the win 5. TBH both are above the price I want to pay for a pc handheld so I'm interested in both as a curiousity but not to actually own.

[hollow turtle]

They available to order now?

Or is the stock devastated

[slim bramble]

I had a LeGo S for a short time and the 8” screen was really nice, excited to have that again in the Apex. The Win 5’s screen is basically the smallest I would want in a PC handheld, but it’s still ok

Basically I’m happy I can play games at actual 1080p resolution with medium-high settings at well over 60fps

[slim bramble]

Uhh I think Droix is doing preorders? I got mine on IGG so I haven’t kept up with other places to buy

[weak sage]

Yeah I mean if you're all-in on pc handhelds and have no other gaming devices or pcs, then something with the 395 could make more sense. I have other devices though so owning a $1700-2000 handheld is hard to swallow heh

[slim bramble]

Lol yea totally understand. Ever since I got the Win 5, I haven’t touched GameHub except when testing devices, and after I make my Win 5 review, I’m gonna sell my Ally X and F1 Pro. I’m all-in on the 395, at least for the next year

I play mostly AA/AAA so I’ve always wanted more power, don’t play lightweight indies as much

[weak sage]

Yeah. I play both, but mostly play the AAA on my laptop or streamed to the legion go 2 with geforce now and I recently picked up a PS5

But for sure if you want a handheld for AAAs and no streaming, 395 is the chip to get

[slim bramble]

I love streaming, and 99% of the time it works great, but there’s always those few seconds where it stutters, and reminds me that I’m streaming and not playing natively. And that’s enough to kill the experience for me

[weak sage]

I would def pick apex over win 5, even not having held the win 5 just because I like the bigger screen

Of course 10 minutes in a crowded showfloor isn't going to give me an end all impression of ergo hah

I just remember being surprised when I picked it up at how comfy it initially felt

[slim bramble]

I love the F1P for comfort, so if you’re saying the Apex is a bigger version of that, that makes me very optimistic. FWIW the GPD is also very ergonomic and comfortable

[weak sage]

F1 Pro is the most comfy 7" I ever owned. Disclaimer that I haven't owned the xbox ally, but have owned all the other ally/legion handhelds

The joysticks felt positioned better than lego 2

[hollow turtle]

I wonder if the 385 model is worth the money

Or if its like the z1 vs z1e where buying it would just be stupid

[slim bramble]

385 is surprisingly performant from what I’ve seen (not direct experience), and if you don’t want to spring for the 395, you can save a few hundred bucks and still get miles better perf than Z2E/HX370

[weak sage]

some stills from footage

[hollow turtle]

Might go into debt for one of these

The 385 is a really good buy turns out

[signal garnet]

385 is great, actually has better performance up to 45w or so if you dont disable the extra cores on the 395

And if you arent going to play at higher tdps then the 385 is fine

[hollow turtle]

This sounds like a stupid question but what is the likelihood of the apex preorders being out of stock or shut off before feb 10th? Is there a way i can view current stock

[signal garnet]

Might want to ask in the onex discord

[hollow turtle]

turns out their stock is completely fine