Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice for All

[fleet slate]

At least he doesn't teach her what a scandal is. He's gotta protect her a little

[bleak condor]

||so did Phoenix I think||

[viral zodiac]

AA 1 Case 4 Spoiler.
Had me dying in the courtroom.

[wraith trail]

GameHub's finally behaving with my RP5, so I'm back on the Case 2 bullshit!

[wraith trail]

Ooon to case 3!

[frank swan]

Yeah I’d say AA1 case 4 is quite pivotal for the plot of AA2

[hollow loom]

Fair enough. At least he's not asking her to analyze blood spatter or something

[honest girder]

Done! Quite enjoyed this one, now for us to play AA3.

[molten geyser]

Also finished

Can’t remember if I liked this one or three more

Three has ||godot|| which was so cool as a kid

[digital patrol]

I'm on case 4. Progressing pretty nicely so far. I feel like I found it a lot more challenging 10-14 years ago

[digital verge]

Yeah I remembered Case 4 being a huge pain back then. But going through it this time. It was less, I'm not sure what it wants from me. This time it was more like. Okay there are two possible answers it wants from me, which one is the correct one that it wants me to use right now.

[graceful wigeon]

I did not like the conclusipn of the channeling case

It felt very circumstantial and flimsy

And we didn't get to see ||Morgan|| again

What the heck

[wraith trail]

I mean, saying ||"killing the man who probably killed her sister"|| isn't enough to establish motive was also flimsy

[graceful wigeon]

Yes that is also true

Just not very satisfying, any of it

Here's hoping the second case improves. I don't mind franziska von karma at least

[vague basalt]

Finished AA1 again! Jumping into AA2.

[frail bluff]

Old bag is so annoying

[glad turtle]

This is a case of the Japanese audience having really weird taste and being catered to

[frail bluff]

I am just not liking case 4 much. It a continuation of case 3 from the first game. Everone is so long winded in this case.

[hollow loom]

I'm surprised I'm enjoying case 4 as much as I am since I have to put up with both her and Lotta... Again

[frail bluff]

I like Lotta because you dont have talk to much. Oldbag on part two of day 3 investigations is everwhere. I just can't deal with that stupid fucking gun

[molten geyser]

But think of Edgypoo

[honest girder]

I don't understand the like for the 4th case in this one, it was way too long and only the clown is more annoying than Oldbag.

[frail bluff]

One thing unlocks 3 locks. Stupid

Pacing is all over the place in case 4

[molten geyser]

Eh

The twist is worth it in the 4th case

At least growing up

[wraith trail]

🍷

Blew my mind.

[frail bluff]

Hopefully the twist ||is not that Matt was in on it|| because I saw that from a mile away

[graceful wigeon]

Wait oldbag is in this game? Why

[fleet slate]

I don't think Oldbag is that bad. What is wrong with me?

[hollow loom]

Just Gerontophilia, probably

[fleet slate]

https://tenor.com/view/christine-taylor-gross-vomit-throw-up-dodgeball-gif-3566807

[digital patrol]

G-Milfs

[frail bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/roastbeef-roast-beef-beef-curtains-gif-8806119235624429408

[digital patrol]

What a terrible day to have eyes

[wraith trail]

I always forget (case 3) ||Ben Woodman is like fucking 44 or whatever|| and the whole ||love triangle|| plot just gets worse and worse.

[bleak condor]

||31. It's just that 30-year-olds used to look like 45-year-olds look now. But yes, he is absolutely Too Old to have designs on Regina. Even Max is old enough for it to be a bit uncomfortable||

[wraith trail]

I'm only barely willing to believe ||the 16-to-21 pipeline thing|| might be a culture difference between Japan and "California" but that's also kind of reductive and the whole thing is just insane tbh.

[bleak condor]

Yeah kinda.

[digital patrol]

I agree with everyone else they just should have localized her at 18 then 18-21 wouldn't be that weird

But also she's supposed to be a total ditz. So. She's not even interested in Ben she thinks that the puppet is a real person

[glad turtle]

So does Ben

[wraith trail]

Yeah, Ben is not well.

[hollow loom]

A lot of problematic weebs are pretty quick to point out the age of consent in Japan is 14-16, depending on how problematic they are

[wraith trail]

Yeah, I'm not trying to... yeah. Hopefully I'm not coming off that way.

I'm just remembering Sailor Moon has ||14 and 18 y/o|| as the main romantic thrust, even though the series does end on ||her being 18 when she finally does get married|| so it's... idk, weird all over.

[hollow loom]

Not a dig at you, just as an anime watcher I've heard it a lot.

[modern hare]

weebs get way too defensive of the sus shit, just say "yeah it's sus but I like it despite that" and I'm cool with you, otherwise I'm assuming you're in it FOR the sus shit

[molten geyser]

You are pretty Sus but I still like you

For sure

[modern hare]

I'm cool with that

haha

[frail bluff]

It is 16 for most states in the US. Doesn't make it right

[viral zodiac]

And Romeo Juliet clauses in some states when it’s close in age by like two years.

[frail bluff]

States where the age of consent is 16 (30): · States where the age of consent is 17 (7): · States where the age of consent is 18 (13): ..

I also think if your like 15+ years old no matter the age. You are sus. For this game it's sus. But it doesn't hit you over head with it.

[hollow loom]

Yeah, if there's more than 10 year gap... I probably have opinions on you

[frail bluff]

18 dating a 16/17 is okish to me.

[viral zodiac]

I don’t care about age gaps after both parties are legal, but there’s a bigger argument about maturity gaps. A 21 yo can have so much less experience in life compared to even like a 25 yo, or even vice versa depending on how your childhood goes.

Like, wtf is DiCaprio doing? He’s got some weird innocence fetish.

Or the common anime defense of like she’s 1000 but looks 14, is wrong in both ways lol.

[molten geyser]

Sir this is a GotM thread

[wraith trail]

This was not my intention

[digital patrol]

I'm on the final trial segment on case 4 - Day 2, whatever you want to call it. I know its two parts

I forgot it actually ramps up a bit once you get through the first day of trial and some of the nonsense on the second two part "investigation phase"

I pretty much remember whats going on here so its not too crazy to blast through. I'm pretty happy I haven't had to use a guide too much. These games are a lot more rewarding when you don't have to use a guide

With that said I do recall that when it came to case 4 in AA3 I gave up all hope and just leaned heavily on a guide

IDK if that was just me at the time being a like 20 year old playing it later at night (and having smoked a bunch) or if it really is that obtuse

[fleet slate]

I got super frustrated at the end of AA3, so it's not just you

[frank swan]

The last two cases of AA3 are hard, but no harder than a game like Ghost Trick

[digital patrol]

Ghost trick definitely has its "wtf how is that the solution" moments lol

[azure beacon]

My favorite so far in this game is case 4. || the cat. It’s all so contrived. Why would Matt ask you to feed instead of de killer just doing it? And then later, the meow at the end of the transmission?! It must be Matt’s house! Nobody in Japanifornia has a cat! || most of 4 has been solid, but that part had me just shaking my head.

[viral zodiac]

Starting AA2 now, this game is so whacky. ||How the hell is Nick getting assaulted outside the courtroom and nobody sees it lol||

[modern hare]

That was so stupid lol ||no questioning why you’re there to feed a cat if there’s a butler who is obviously the assassin at all ||

[azure beacon]

I mean, || I can excuse the not knowing he was the assassin. That wasn’t obvious to anyone outside the player and maya at that point. But yeah, the rest of it is really stupid. ||

[modern hare]

he should have been || suspicious as hell someone was there and claiming to be the butler after he was asked to feed the cat ||

[azure beacon]

|| it’s all stupid. Matt doesn’t have his phone watch taken away in the detention center, so he should have been able to coordinate better. None of this part makes any sense. ||

[glad turtle]

|| de Killer doesn't seem to actually communicate with his clients past the initial meeting. Matt is even surprised when Phoenix shows up originally. It's just an assassin thing. ||

[glad turtle]

|| on a similar note, Matt has no idea what de Killer is doing the entire time, besides for an assumption that de Killer has something on Phoenix to force him to get a verdict. ||

[azure beacon]

I still think thats a pretty slim argument. You'd think || If you go through the trouble of hiring an assassin, you'd understand their contract or whatever to know they'd take steps to protect you in the event of an arrest or whatever since that seems to be one of the things de killer just does. Matt caring enough about a cat when he's perfectly fine using an disposing of people seems stupid. The fact that the cat doesn't need to be fed because de killer could feed it is stupid. Still hearing a cat on the transmission and immediately jumping to the mansion with such confidence is stupid. It's a pretty lame bit, I have to say. Matt still has his phone, there's no reason why he couldn't be in contact with de killer no problem (which is also stupid) and this whole thing was easy enough to avoid and / or not worth the risk. Still enjoying the game overall, and this isn't as bad as the big top case by any means, but there are holes that I'm not buying.||

[glad turtle]

Purely for the sake of argument || Matt does know that de Killer is protecting him. Why would he know where de Killer is at the moment? Again, Matt is a detention center, talking to your hired killer there seems like a poor idea, and it's unlikely de Killer can even be contacted by Matt. Matt knows none of the specifics, and has no idea that de Killer decided to stay at his mansion. On the cat issue, sure it's just a cat. But it connects to the only place relevant to the case where a cat was. Besides, it's low stakes. If he's not at the mansion, no harm done. It's worth checking at least. ||

[frail bluff]

I can't lower my IQ enough to make this make sense.

[modern hare]

none of it explains ||Phoenix not thinking it weird at all he's there when his whole purpose for going is that no one is there to feed the cat||

[frail bluff]

Case 4 is worse than 3. All these game start out strong and then go to shit.

[modern hare]

I agree, honestly. Case 3 had Moe but at least you're actually solving something, Case 4 is just all contrived story for fans

[frail bluff]

How does ||Matt know that Maya is kidnapped then?||

[glad turtle]

Ok this is the one hole, I'm not quite sure

[glad turtle]

Tbf || he doesn't say anything specifically, he just says that, vaguely, Phoenix could lose a friend if he doesn't represent him. ||

[frail bluff]

Makes ||go feed my cat|| written just to connect the dots. Which is bad writing IMO.

[modern hare]

it's okay that you like it despite it making no sense

[frail bluff]

Case 4 is by far the worse witting from what I played. They fuck up the story trying to make too many twist fit.

[glad turtle]

Again, even if || Matt knows somethings, there's no indication he knows where de Killer actually is. ||

[glad turtle]

Wait Phoenix actually straight up tells him this

[frail bluff]

The are ||part of the same club or cult.|| Sure ||Matt does out right say it||

[glad turtle]

When they meet for the first time, Phoenix says ||"
If you don't take me as your
lawyer, then De Killer is
going to...!"||

So I'll reassert that || Matt and de Killer have not talked since right before the murder, and they don't even seem to have a way to communicate with each other. ||

[modern hare]

||still doesn't explain phoenix's nonreaction or like, or you know, the police not searching a supposed murder suspects house||

[glad turtle]

|| Gumshoe. I blame Gumshoe||

[modern hare]

It's just ||bad writing||

[glad turtle]

But you're correct on that last point, that's a plot hole

[frail bluff]

There is the ||phone on his wrist and the satellite in the room.||come on

[glad turtle]

|| de Killer doesn't have a phone, he has a radio. Why would he give Matt any contact information anyways? He's an assassin, he's not handing that out. Only Internet websites for him. ||

You do need to accept that the police are awful at their jobs, that's the premise. And as someone who's sat in on a few cases, it's pretty realistic

[frail bluff]

Andrews also makes no sense.

You need accept that everyone has IQ equal to their shoe size

[glad turtle]

Which part?

[frail bluff]

All of her character.

[glad turtle]

|| She's suffering from pretty severe depression, suicidal thoughts and dependant issues, you'd have to be specific about what she does that doesn't make sense. ||

[frail bluff]

Too many to list. It just filler to move the story to me. AKA Bad writing.

[glad turtle]

See but I can't argue if you don't list them. I enjoy arguing, it's my career.

[frail bluff]

The only reason her character exist is to connect the two. Her reasoning for doing what she did makes little sense to me. I agree the average person isn't that bright.

[viral zodiac]

Can’t wait to go back through this chat in a week to see all the spoilers lol.

[azure beacon]

||They may not be in contact I guess, but it seems pretty lame that they can't be. The detention center has no problem with matt calling everybody else all the time. And how suspicious would it really be to call and say "Hey, could you feed my cat while I'm locked up?" I agree Phoenix not at least confronting matt is weird "Hey, I went to feed your cat... why did you ask me to do it when you have a freaking butler that can do it?" And as for checking the mansion, I can get on board with checking it, but at least write as a desperation check. Instead, it's presented as 100% guarantee. Call the cavalry and crash the place on a hunch that it might be the same cat in a country full of cats.||

[glad turtle]

|| I guess I'm arguing that Matt and deKiller not talking makes perfect sense. Why would deKiller tell Matt anything? He doesn't need his help, and he doesn't want to be traced in any possible way. It makes no sense for them to be in contact. Phoenix not confronting Matt is a little weird, but it's also really inconsequential at the time who was feeding the cat. Phoenix is also desperate, so calling the calvary on any hunch makes sense. ||

[glad turtle]

|| Matt also doesn't actually call anyone, it's a gimmick. He claims he's talking to his manager, but that's Andrews. He's obviously not talking to her.||

[frail bluff]

Matt ||is rich. Why the de Killer needs him. Also why the deKiller kidnaps Maya.||

[frail bluff]

||Matt is lying. He isn't talking to his manager. He is in fact talking code to the deKiller.||

Most things in life come down to ||money||

[glad turtle]

No, || he kidnaps Maya because he has a guarantee that his clients won't get in trouble. Nothing do with money. ||

[glad turtle]

Definitely not considering || he doesn't accept Phoenix until Phoenix brings up deKiller, despite him talking to his "manager" beforehand.||

[frail bluff]

becasue of ||money||

[glad turtle]

It's a reputation kind of thing

[frail bluff]

Why would you want a good reputation ||money||

[glad turtle]

I mean yeah, but it's ||not Matt's money anymore||

[frail bluff]

I still not done with the game. Last day ||what fuck is Phoenix doing talking about footballs|| Is that ||just to prolong the case?||

[glad turtle]

He's trying his best

[modern hare]

||doesn't want to be traced in any possible way|| but also || hides out in his clients mansion ||

[glad turtle]

Hey || he got out before anyone got there. I'd be more concerned with the Clark Kent quality disguise.||

[modern hare]

inconsistent logic, man

[glad turtle]

The thing I'll agree on is the || mansion. It's not clear exactly why deKiller is there ||

[frail bluff]

https://youtu.be/vGUNqq3jVLg?si=DrcH9QfDKuwtQeBN

[frank swan]

No it’s not

[glad turtle]

I mean it certainly is (at least some of the time)

[modern hare]

https://youtu.be/ohDB5gbtaEQ

[frank swan]

This is literally the sketch I was trying to channel

[modern hare]

I knew it beyond a doubt, friend

[glad turtle]

I'm too American for this

[frank swan]

No you’re not

[glad turtle]

I'm not voting for the next Amiga game now

[frank swan]

You know how to hurt me sir, well played

[modern hare]

I'm american but I just watch a lot of tv 🫥

[digital patrol]

The only amiga game that I fancy is Shadow of the Beast.

[frank swan]

Sounds like you need a Brit to give you an “exciting” journey of discovery

[digital patrol]

I mean if you feed me sausage rolls and a few pints I'm down

[frail bluff]

@azure beacon did you go for RA in this game? I been trying to get this one

[azure beacon]

Yes, and I got it too. Not sure what I had to do differently... I think you do have to finish the whole case before it pops.

[frail bluff]

I will try after I beat the game. Only one I missed so far.

[azure beacon]

Just proving I got it ^

[graceful wigeon]

Was j just less cynical when I first played these games

I do not remember every single character being so stupid

[digital patrol]

Its tropey for sure

[wraith trail]

Finished case 3. I definitely thought ||Bat|| was younger than he was.

I was gonna say "for some reason" but lbr I know the reason.

But hey, just case 4 to go. I'll finish it this month but geh.

[nimble ivy]

I just wrapped up case 3 too. Enjoying it a lot. First time playing and I think it's actually a really nice balance of all being very work-outable while still requiring you to think a bit.

I've only referred to a guide twice I think and both times it was because I couldn't work out why the next event wasn't triggering in investigations and it was stupid stuff like not having presented the right thing to Regina in the Big Top for example.

[graceful wigeon]

Yeah I actually like the psyche locks for that reason, it gives some direction to what feels like random adventure game mechanics

I also just finished case 3. ||EDGEWORTH IS BACK!!! || Is that why ||oldbag comes back too?|| Because they ||got married||?

[stuck warren]

Half way through case 4 on AA1 and thats all i can think about at work today. Cant wait to get back to it to see how the story will progress...I am now a believer and understand why the game is highly rated

[digital patrol]

I think its a fun trilogy.

[mint tiger]

STATUS UPDATE?

[glad turtle]

I have... Definitely been searching. Yup, definitely

[mint tiger]

Ladies and gentlemen, Nate the Great is at it again. Guess who will not be receiving stray Japanese DS carts from my next Doorzo or Sendico videos. What a shame.

[glad turtle]

I have a month!

Or, 13 days at this point

[frail bluff]

Fun fact the 3ds uses the same chargers

[glad turtle]

I need to just find one, I know there a few in the house

[digital patrol]

DSI and 3ds us the same chargers, DS Phat and GBA SP use the same chargers.

I THINK Gameboy micro and ds lite use the same one?

Nah ds lite is its own thing as is micro

[frail bluff]

Gameboy micro has it's own charger

[digital patrol]

Yeah the lite has 0 crossover

But its also like the most popular model so new cheapie chargers are very inexpensive

[frail bluff]

no the lite works with the 3ds charger

[digital patrol]

I mean maybe I'm wrong but.... I'm thinking the 3ds family and DSI all use the same charger, but the lite specifically uses one that is like thin/wide and not as square as the 3ds family

[frail bluff]

just the phat is that way

[digital patrol]

either way Nate better beat this damn game or else I'll be disappointed

I should say, Nate should replay this for solidarity sake, despite the fact that he's probably beaten it quite a few times

[frail bluff]

I thought he did. If he doesn't it will be consider like EGG in my book. Game so bad the nominator did not want to play it.

[digital patrol]

I think this game is good but its very much you'll either like it, and be ok with the fact that its a visual novel.

Or you'll hate it and this type of game isn't for you

I don't do a lot of visual novels, and maybe its just nostalgia, but if you're someone who is ok with like "reading" a game rather then playing it, I would recommend it.

Something like ghost trick has a lot more actual gameplay

[frail bluff]

No the story and characters are one note. the writing is bad in places. Has nothing to do with it being a VN

The nonary games, and Steins;Gate are so much better IMO

[graceful wigeon]

And Danganronpa

This one just doesn't hold up as well for me

[digital patrol]

I like it but ya'll sippin haterade so

[frail bluff]

Case 2 was the best gave some depth to the characters. Case 3/4 are just bad Dr. Seuss characters and story.

[azure beacon]

I do appreciate the ending of case 4, the results of the characters rather than the case itself I mean. It's a good bit of focus on ||edgeworth|| which was fun. I did like the investigation of 4, but it did feel a bit silly. 2 > 4 > 1 > 3 I think is how I'd rate the cases. First game is a much better overall than this one. This one isn't bad, but it just isn't as good as the original. I'm hopeful 3 kind of gets back to the level of 1, but not it will.

[glad turtle]

What aspects of 1 did you like better? I can tell you if 3 goes back to them

[azure beacon]

I think just the overall story for 1 was better. I liked the more focused characters. The first one was all about maya, phoenix, edgeworth, and gumshoe. I do like the psylocks in this one. But the cases also felt more reasonable? There was less ridiculous leaps of logic. I think that’s my biggest issue. The cases were just more logical I think.

[glad turtle]

The third game focuses a lot more on the frame story, which you might like. One of the cases is a bit ludicrous, but the rest I'd call less ridiculous than AA2

[honest girder]

I also liked AA1 a bit better than AA2, so that's good to hear

[glad turtle]

I do think this is the general fan base opinion

[mighty pewter]

Ugh I missed a missable achievement at the very end of the (laborious) Case 3. Does anyone happen to have a save at the start of the final trial day on Case 3?

[azure beacon]

I think you can start a game at any chapter, so worst case scenario is you replay the third case. Maybe use a guide to speed it along.

[frank swan]

You can do this in the remake but I don’t think you can in the original

[frail bluff]

You can on the DS version

[azure beacon]

Yeah, I did the DS one and it is an option. I wish they'd let you start at the mid-case breakpoints too, but at least they let you start at any case. Better than redoing the whole game at any rate.

[frail bluff]

I wish there was more than one save slot.

[mighty pewter]

I finally got it - fast forward helped a little since I knew everything that was going to happen. The fact that the missable was at the tail end of like the longest chapter and there are no mid-chapter starting points was kind of a pain but it’s all done now!

[frank swan]

Do you mind me asking what the missable was?

[wraith trail]

Probably this #1411909618321461308 message

[azure beacon]

Yeah, that’s the only missable in case 3. There’s only a few anyway for the whole game. Very easy to 100%.

[mighty pewter]

It was indeed the one mentioned right below ||(exhausting all of ACRO's testimony). The important part is to not refuse cross-examination||

[graceful wigeon]

What attorney would ||refuse cross examination||

[graceful wigeon]

Oh my god. ||Edgeworth|| hands me the ||suicide report||, then I have to present the ||suicide report|| right back to him to proceed????

[bleak condor]

Yeah you see this a bit. I've run into it in the third game, too. It's basically the "tell me more" button, rather than automating the process

[upper gale]

OMG, this is exactly why I hate Family Guy. Every single scene is “then this happens” and none of them are connected. “This remind me of the time” and a stupid scene plays.

[frail bluff]

It's so simple the way they explain that it makes prefect sense

[opal solar]

||moe|| is totally fucking me here,|| decorations in hat?|| "OH I'll ask him what ||decorations|| he saw, I might be able to find a contradiction here" uh uh uh buddy, can't ask follow ups, just make an assumption

This is worse than Sal Monella

[opal solar]

The whole of ||case 2|| was so frustrating, good conclusion but so frustrating as a whole. ||prove that Maya can't be held responsible||.

Bro, everyone agrees that ||channelling|| is real, that should be more than enough to prove that ||she can't be held responsible for actions of a spirit||

Whole case is basically "Discredit ||your closest confidant||"

[graceful wigeon]

It feels like I did this naturally a few times but this one stands out to me as wack

Oh well at least I'm playing on a handheld with Internet access and a browser

[frail bluff]

This || transmitter.|| keeps breaking

[frail bluff]

Trying to get this case 3 achivement

[frail bluff]

My first 100%

[jolly umbra]

almost done with case 3! really looking forward to whatever bs happens in the last section of the trial

[vestal wigeon]

In my usual fashion, I played the game right up to the last case and promptly forgot about it for almost the whole month.

Time to finish this.

[frank swan]

Starting case 4

At the end of 3 I missed which item I needed to show ||regina|| to prove ||acro wasn’t going to try to kill her again|| - what should I have done?

[wraith trail]

I believe you had to ||show her Bat's profile||? I did it right and I still don't remember.

[jolly umbra]

this is correct

i did not hate the circus trial as much as everyone seems to

[graceful wigeon]

Circus trial was alright. The characterizations were all good to the point where I'dve been sad no matter who did the murder

No Morgan feys in that chapter

[graceful wigeon]

I feel like ||Edgeworth|| is helping me in this last case

Im getting good vibes here

[spark brook]

i'm in the 2nd investigation portion of the third case

i don't think it will be a problem for me to get it done by end of month but i also have a lot of family stuff this weekend

[vestal wigeon]

The fourth case reminds me why I like Edgeworth so much.

[graceful wigeon]

I feel like he's matured

I like him more

[vague basalt]

Wild that this game is getting an update like this.
https://youtu.be/h80JKnkgRA4

[glad turtle]

Wow new Ace Attorney content

Just what I asked for, and definitely nothing more

[spark brook]

Episode selection is nice

Felt like this version should have had it all along

[spark brook]

Just finished ep 3. Did not care for it. So far I liked first 4 episodes of AA1 better than the first three of AA2. The twist at the end of AA2 ep 3 is good though.

[vestal wigeon]

I really liked the actual culprit in that case. Wish we had more time with them.

[frank swan]

Bitter and sarcastic nate might be my favourite Nate

[graceful wigeon]

Whoa ||matt engarde|| what a twist

[graceful wigeon]

What does he mean by "even someone like myself"

[bleak condor]

He's not the sharpest judge on the bench.

[graceful wigeon]

Is that what he's saying lol. HE KNOWS

[spark brook]

||Love making a radio transceiver sweat poop drops.||

[fleet slate]

Poop drops, oil, same thing I guess

[spark brook]

Why would there be oil inside a radio transceiver

[fleet slate]

Gotta grease up those gears. Why would there be poop drops inside a radio transceiver?

[wraith trail]

Playing the fourth case, I forgot how quickly ||Edgeworth really did lean into simply trying to delve to the truth rather than "defeat" you, and it makes it so much more satisfying to play||.

[wraith trail]

I love when you are on the swell of a big sticking point and finally getting to put the last piece together.

It does so well at making it feel good

[spark brook]

I guess we'll just have to agree that it is greasy poop since both are equally likely.

[modern hare]

flux from his circuit boards, tbh

aint no oil in a radio lol

it's also just weird to be there at all, let's just get that out there

[upper gale]

Flashback to the first AA where they had a parrot take a witness stand.

[upper gale]

So….. Von Karma has a kink for a whip huh

[wraith trail]

[digital verge]

Now we just need to do T&T so everyone can experience the GOAT

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-godot-prosecutor-courtroom-gif-17001133

[wraith trail]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-klavier-gavin-klavier-gavin-air-guitar-gif-14015375901726406597

I'm sorry I think you're confused

[bleak condor]

I mean Godot is great but Miles is just not a beatable act

[wraith trail]

No yeah, nobody can beat Miles. But tbh I don't think the writers try to.

[glad turtle]

There's a reason Miles keeps coming back and got his own spin-offs

[frank swan]

I find it weird y’all calling him miles instead of Edgeworth

[wraith trail]

I was trying to type Edgeworth when replying to Raccoon, but I was on phone and it was easier to type Miles.

I'm also one of those people who accidentally echoes the person before me to save on metaphorical processing power when thinking of sentences lmao

I think Nate might just be like that

[frank swan]

Classic Nate

[bleak condor]

||feeling pretty fucked in the fourth case tbh, they are making me reach pretty hard on individual statement-evidence matches||

[frank swan]

Honestly there’s a moment in the last story of the third game where the game really pulls the floor out from under your feet in a way I’ve rarely felt in gaming

Not trying to diss the second game just that the third has 3 “holy shit” moments that beat all other AA games

[bleak condor]

||I don't mean the last one, I mean the second-to-last one. Poking holes in this testimony with my very limited tools just feels painful||

[frank swan]

Gotcha

[bleak condor]

||I'm supposed to prove this cold case thing was staged when none of my evidence actually pertains to the cold case part fuck my life||

||pressing does nothing|| 😭

[glad turtle]

I was just matching vibes

[upper gale]

Hey, at least we didn’t put the monkey on the witness stand on this one

[bleak condor]

Honestly this one spot I got stuck on is bad enough I'm considering consulting a guide but it's technically for the next game, not this one, so I probably shouldn't ramble about it here

[frank swan]

If you want to DM for a hint, I’m happy to help

[glad turtle]

@mint tiger Easy as pie

[wraith trail]

Finished! Just waiting for the credits now to get the "right" shot. I do wonder if Rapid would have accepted the ||"bad end"|| given that it's only like, ||three steps away from the real ending anyway||.

[frank swan]

The question we tend to ask ourselves. Does it have credits?

[wraith trail]

Ah, that's a fair way to answer it. No, it doesn't.

[mint tiger]

HELL YEAH BROTHER

[spark brook]

Naruhodo?

[glad turtle]

Case 1 done

[mint tiger]

アアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアア

[glad turtle]

It's a very complex translation

[mint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogecoin-samurai-ronin-bushido-gif-26524943

[frank swan]

Mister poo poo アア Doctor

[mint tiger]

poo poo ah ah doctor?

[vestal wigeon]

Oof. You gotta pick up the pace if you still want to make it this month.

[glad turtle]

I think my patience for Google lens would run out by case 2

[fleet slate]

Get a dual screen device and play the English and Japanese versions simultaneously. It's like having a fully localized translation always available!

[glad turtle]

The true use case for the Thor

[viral zodiac]

I am speeding through the 4th case trying to get it finished before tonight. Honestly, kinda enjoying it more this way by having a guide up in case I'm struggling with something for a while.

I've realized I don't enjoy the investigation stuff as much as the trial part, so I've just given in to a guide to see what I actually need to do and then try to logic through the trial for the most part.

[glad turtle]

Investigations are usually just setup for trials. They can have some good dialogue, but the real meat is the trials

[viral zodiac]

Case 4 seems a lot more fun than case 3 though, with some genuinely chilling bits.

Case 4 day 2 spoilers ||I just got to the second investigation day where Matt Engarde tells you to go feed his cat at his house, and the killer greets you as the butler which was interesting as why would I need to feed the cat if there was a butler taking care of it already. || Just Phoenix getting himself into sketchy situations with no backup like usual.

[viral zodiac]

Ya, it's the part that feels more point and click adventure game to me compared to the trial being a more visual novel part. Just never really played point and click games and don't have as much patience for that style of gameplay.

Some of the examine dialogue is fun though. Not as fun as ||Moe the clown singing the Fresh Prince of Belair theme anytime he gets whipped|| though.

[frank swan]

to me the difference between a point and click adventure and a visual novel is that, in a P&C, you have agency to solve puzzels in the order you choose, while in visual novels you are railroaded. This is why AA2 isn't a P&C to me

[glad turtle]

It's a Visual Novel with P&C gameplay elements

[frank swan]

I mean no more than 999

[glad turtle]

AA has a bit more freedom to explore properly, but I agree in general

[frail bluff]

999 you can chosse your path. This is basically a hallway simulator. Like many VNs are

[ripe monolith]

I thought 999 had too much dialog, with some scenes just going on forever. I think AA does a pretty good job of keeping the dialog from being.. like an actual novel

[frail bluff]

You have hear the same thing in AA like 3 to 4 time. Many time pressing and presenting the same evidinet twice in a row. I take 999 flushing out chararter over Oldbang shooting her stupid fucking toy gun after ever sentence.

[upper gale]

And the judge was cool with a phone ringing in a courtroom

[bleak condor]

@glad turtle What's good after the initial trilogy btw? Besides, I assume, the Miles-led spinoff duology

[glad turtle]

Investigations 1 is meh, though it has its bright spots.
Investigations 2 is amazing and the best game in the series.
The Great Ace Attorney games only really work well together, but together they're outstanding.
The Apollo Justice trilogy has its ups and downs. Dual Destiny is my favorite, Apollo Justice is fine, and Spirit of Justice isn't that great.
The Ace Attorney x Professor Layton crossover is very bad.

[bleak condor]

So I'm hearing a recommendation for the Investigations duology and the Great Ace Attorney duology, with the Apollo Justice trilogy being a "maybe"

[glad turtle]

Yes

Though I think it's worth the investment for AJ

[fleet slate]

You must do Apollo. Do it for the magical panties

[glad turtle]

Ace Attorney has this awful habit of doing a werid and creepy quirk, and then immeditatly making it crucially important to the case

[fleet slate]

I don't really remember much about Apollo except for the panties for some reason. Don't know what that says about me. Like, can't remember why ||Phoenix became a deadbeat or got over it or why he adopted Tracy or whatever her name is||

[fleet slate]

Also, what do you think is the weirdest part of 2? Do you think it's basically kidnapping a 7 year old, or letting a 7 year old investigate murder scenes, or having a fully grown woman wear a 7 year old's clothes? That poor girl...

[glad turtle]

Funny enough those questions all basically have the same answer

[glad turtle]

The solution to being sheltered is murder exposure

[frank swan]

This is my reminder to play the second great ace attorney game

[frank swan]

Yeah so I can’t help but notice this is in pounds sterling and thus suddenly desirable

[jolly umbra]

i did not finish last month 🙁 just ran out of time but i'll wrap up the last case at some point