AYN Thor

[devout forge]

Do you perhaps have a specific youtube video link you could send in here?

[gentle notch]

Will the thor come preloaded with iisu?

[little sky]

I really wish Ayn would pay them because iiSU for sure has sold some Thor units

[hasty kettle]

I know, I am so disappointed in the button noise! Think I am going to cancel my O3 preorder as can't see them being any different/better.

[gilded pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-didn't-know-first-time-gif-4645987575731742372

[icy atlas]

iiSU is a very real and completely legitimate frontend with real programming behind it

[ornate dune]

It has so much code, the best code in the world

[royal kayak]

Damn this looks like a wonderful handheld

[ancient torrent]

Wording it that way sounds like sarcasm lol

[icy atlas]

im not sure why that would be

[copper path]

LairLauncher is an actual real frontend btw

and huesos has been working to integrate some of the iiSU design language and assets

people are derisive about iiSU because the original trailer was purely generated in design tools and had no functional code on display (though allegedly there was some skeleton code at the time)

[celest rune]

for rainbow color i think that is much similar to the retroid pocket 5

[copper path]

uuuuugh rainbow color is really growing on me

[celest rune]

maybe a little lighter

i need some youtuber showing the rainbow color in 4k !

[copper path]

that could be the plastic, but could also be lighting

[gilded pecan]

this guy knows what's up

too bad redditors have no taste

it's 2025, clacky buttons should no longer be a thing

[icy atlas]

probably because the rp5 buttons are good buttons and y'all are whinging like children over literally nothing

"i'm skipping this entire device because the buttons don't feel exactly like the tingledingle controller released in 2003 by junkpicnic, that means they're bad and everyone who buys this device is an idiot"

like cmon buddy

[gilded pecan]

they really aren't, try playing god of war on it for more than 5 minutes and you'll see what I mean

[icy atlas]

or i could continue to use them to play every game i've played and enjoy them immensely because i didn't make up some fake rhetoric in my head about button quality that doesn't exist

[gilded pecan]

just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't exist you know

plenty of reviewers have complained about buttons being too clacky in the past

[icy atlas]

yeah the same guys complaining about the trimui brick being 'too hot to hold'

i'm going to take their words at face value

[lavish crypt]

yea i didn't find the odin 2 portal buttons to be that clacky and everyone complained about them shrugs

[gilded pecan]

I find these horrendous to be honest

[icy atlas]

is there a button you actually like

[lavish crypt]

i found the og odin 2 buttons to be louder lol

[cosmic narwhal]

miyoo mini, bet

[icy atlas]

or is your purpose just to unbox devices, press their buttons, and then determine they're 'not good enough'

[cosmic narwhal]

all this is literally a taste thing, it sickens me how wulff den makes all his controllers clicky but that's his thing

[lavish crypt]

i still own and play on both so its def very subjective

[gilded pecan]

Anbernic's are absolutely excellent for my taste, I wish Retroid and AYN would copy them

[frozen laurel]

I have a wolverine V3 controller for my PC, nothing can be louder; I see no problems with Thor's buttons

[icy atlas]

35xxsp buttons on every device then

[lavish crypt]

my 35sp has loud buttons shrugs

[gilded pecan]

obviously not those but every other Anbernic device has great face buttons

[nocturne osprey]

I really like how my RP Classic buttons clack lmao

nice thocky sounds

[icy atlas]

like what i'm hearing is you like the feel of cheap shitty buttons

[lavish crypt]

the face buttons on my cube xx felt fantastic

[icy atlas]

just say that instead of 'ayn has bad buttons'

ayn has good buttons and you don't like them

like the miyoo mini has nice feeling buttons

but they are bad quality and cheap

two things can be true at once

[lavish crypt]

no point on arguing/debating something that is subjective lol

everyone has different tastes when it comes to how controls feel

[frozen laurel]

On my RP Flip 1, the dpad will squeak on certain diagonals. That is annoying sometimes

[gentle notch]

I wouldn't mind if every handheld had rg cube buttons

[nocturne osprey]

just not the dpad

[icy atlas]

like the ayaneo pocket micro has the best buttons i've felt on a handheld easily

[gilded pecan]

thank you

[icy atlas]

a person can have their opinion and it be a weird and dumb opinion

[lavish crypt]

rg cube buttons would be way too small on the portal lol

[icy atlas]

subjective things are not free from ridicule of quality

dude my favorite music genre is baroque jazz rock

that's weird and dumb, but I like it

[frozen laurel]

My personal favorite is whatever membrane and travel that Sony did for the Vita

[lavish crypt]

my fav face buttons atm are prolly on my flip 2

[fluid cloak]

they don't have to be free from ridicule but everyone does have the free will to not ridicule it and just state it's not for them lol

[lavish crypt]

i do get his point tho, to say the device is bad simply cause you don't like the face buttons is silly

[icy atlas]

if a person is wasting time worrying about how the buttons on a device feel it means they're not actually playing games on the device

[fluid cloak]

baroque jazz rock does sound pretty out there but i'd be interested to find out what it is

[cosmic narwhal]

if anything cubexx is louder than both rp5 and odin 2

[lavish crypt]

yea anbernic face buttons are loud af

they are loud on all of my xx devices lol

[gilded pecan]

I insist that you should go play a good button masher like god of war before blinding defending these, because there is a difference

[lavish crypt]

i play a lot of mobas on my portal 2 which require spamming all of the face buttons and they def aren't as obnoxious as people make them out to be

[icy atlas]

return to forever - romantic warrior
rick wakeman - the six wives of henry viii

good starters

[lavish crypt]

thats a good showing right there, they are loud af lol

[gilded pecan]

it's not so much about the noise as it is about the feel

[lavish crypt]

i love the way they feel

i love how big the face buttons are

whenever i go back to my og odin 2 i feel teh difference immediately

[gilded pecan]

you don't want a button that you are going to press repeatedly to feel "thunky" imo

[lavish crypt]

YOU don't want that haha

different strokes for different folks

[cosmic narwhal]

if i had to choose one i'd choose odin 2 for feel and noise, cubexx is good but loud, rp5 a bit too springy, but they're all excellent face buttons

[icy atlas]

i do not care how the button 'feels' when i press it because if i can feel it when i press it that means i'm not playing a game and actually just sitting there pressing buttons repeatedly

i like to play games

[lavish crypt]

some of my games require me to spam them buttons homie

what you mean

like when i play LoL wild rifts, i'm straight spamming the A button non stop

[icy atlas]

i have to breathe to stay alive and yet i do not critique the individual feel of each valve of my nostrils every time i breathe

[lavish crypt]

i critique my nostrils all of the time

2/10 they suck

[hoary tiger]

Well against my better judgement I preordered. Hopefully 4px can still work their tariff magic by the time they ship

[icy atlas]

LOL

[cosmic narwhal]

i mean, even being overly critical all these are objectively good

even powkiddy i'd say are good

we have it so good these days

[knotty ether]

Any updates on production/shipping timelines from AYN yet?

[lavish crypt]

yea my 35sp is the only device that i really didnt' like the face buttons

i want all of my big high end handhelds to have big ol' face buttons like the portal

i really enjoy that

[icy atlas]

chinese holiday, we won't hear anything until 10/8 at the latest

[cosmic narwhal]

me too, cause with domes you can't handle them in a different way to make them quieter, which you can with every rubber membrane thing

[lavish crypt]

The buttons are so different between the 2

i find the og odin 2 face buttons to be a bit too small

[icy atlas]

odin 2 buttons are their own thing

odin 2 portal buttons are just retroid buttons

thor buttons are literally just rp5 buttons

they got tired of pretending they're different companies

[lavish crypt]

These face buttons feel fantastic

[cosmic narwhal]

if i had to choose a favorite, i'd say tarantula pro face buttons are the best feeling ones i have

[lavish crypt]

truuue i forget about controllers in these convos

i enjoy my 8bitdo ultimate 1 and 2 face buttons as well

[little sky]

Insane how over-blown that heating topic was

Does anyone agree that Steam Deck face buttons and D-Pad is lovely?

[dark steeple]

I've had the 8bitdo Pro 2 for a few years and I quite like it

[little sky]

I’m thinking of 8bitdo for controllers. I have had a DualSense and once I started playing racer games it became uncomfortable quickly

[dark steeple]

In general I don't think I'm too picky on buttons, I haven't had these types of handhelds before (just got the 35xxSP), but idk of any console or handheld I've had an issue with as long as they're decently made

[dark steeple]

Yeah I had a steam deck when it was newer and I enjoyed how it felt a lot

[dark steeple]

My main use case for acquiring one was fighting games since I'm a filthy pad player, but I couldn't for a while find a controller I preferred. I even custom ordered a PS4 controller that had special d-pad buttons where each one was an individual clicky button instead of a membrane and was like meh

But for whatever reason that 8bitdo controller works almost perfectly for me in fighting games

It is nice that nowadays even a lot of cheap controllers just have buttons that are alright

I remember having to deal with off brand stuff back in the day and the feeling of brand new buttons sticking in every time they're pressed is not something I miss

[little sky]

I hate how picky I’ve become with experience

PS1 I probably mashed those buttons and I never felt discomfort

The DS when it first came out I actually loved how mushy those face buttons were. Here’s to hoping the Thor is somewhat similar. I’ve never used an RP5

[copper path]

this plus I’ll take “clacky” over squishy (which is what quieter buttons tend to be) any day

button feel >>> a little bit of noise

[lavish crypt]

yea i am not a fan of squishy buttons either

[copper path]

also to the “anbernic is better” gang, every anbernic I’ve owned has had louder buttons than my Flip 2, by a significant margin, and they don’t even feel any better

it turns out we all got different taste in buttons

[lavish crypt]

indeed

its so subjective

thats what i was saying too lol no point in trying argue something that is subjective af

like how people found the flip 2 uncomfortable or the angle of the screen to be "wrong" meanwhile its comfy af to me and the angle is perfect

and i don't find the triggers to be a problem at all

[bronze dome]

based on years talking to people on the internet, i'm gonna make a wild guess, eu and us people tend to like quiet buttons while asian and south american like tactile buttons

[tiny egret]

i like clicky buttons

[lavish crypt]

i live in nyc and i don't need them to be quiet lol i need them to feel good and squishy/silent buttons tend to feel way worse to me

[sacred gorge]

I'm in the US, I love me my clicky buttons.

[little sky]

On the train I agree but at home on the couch I’ll take quiet buttons

[lavish crypt]

they just don't feel good a lot of the time to me

[copper path]

I’m happy that the Thor has three locking angles instead of one but hoping one of those is close to the Flip 2’s angle

because yeah, the Flip 2’s angle was damn near perfect for me, I wouldn’t want it much flatter

[crude tulip]

I'm happy the THOR hinge is more loose and wiggly

[copper path]

US person checking in and I fucking hate squishy buttons (and keyboard keys, while we’re at it)

I’d run clicky keyboard switches if it didn’t feel so obnoxious and give away that I’m working through slack meetings

[wispy fjord]

[fringe temple]

How dare you do controversial things such as play games! 😄

You're supposed to angst over how the buttons are 1 decibel louder than they should which makes them unusable

[hybrid mulch]

Just saw the part of the video where Russ tapping the buttons. It sounds similarly loud as rg353m action buttons if I tap them that way and less loud than the shoulder buttons on it. I don't understand the anbernic better talk

[whole linden]

iiSU DS! Alpha 0.0.1

Release notes:
👉 https://github.com/iisu-network/iiSU/releases/0.0.1

If you’d like to try the Alpha, the APK is available in:

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/SapphireRhodonite
(support my general work on dual-screen Android consoles)

[wispy fjord]

Hell yeah! Hope you get good feedback!

[celest rune]

i've just preordered a WHITE thor max an hour ago, just for this dream.

i need MORE VIDS now, retrogames now it's worst than porn addicted

[flint pumice]

iiSU is real

[copper path]

oh shit, I guess they went all-in on rebranding lairlauncher to iisu

[little sky]

Huesos is the lead dev, and founder of lair

Sorry if that is redundant info

[quiet mortar]

I watched Russ and Joeys videos earlier today and I fomo’d into purchasing. I told myself that I wouldn’t but here I am…

[errant dome]

dont worry, many of us fomo'd on minute 1 of the pre-order launch

youre in good (bad) company here

[fading anvil]

Still going strong

Holding out for a better deal

[quiet mortar]

I was able to resist during the announcement and told myself “there will be issues with latency, hinge, shipping time, tarrifs, etc” and just seeing and hearing first impressions totally blinded me lol now I’m just sitting here waiting anxiously with my fingers crossed hoping for the best 😅

[errant dome]

ive thankfully never had an issue with ayn and dual screen dual oled was what ive always wanted. this was an immediate preorder for me

[quiet mortar]

I’ve always wanted a more modern new 3ds xl and everything else it can do is just icing on the cake

[errant dome]

i know people have a problem with nitrix, but heres more footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCyLnq5I3D0

[left kiln]

Feed me more content

[little sky]

This is me even after the preorder

[left kiln]

Yep. I just need my Thor so I can disappear from discord for 6 months

[solemn zealot]

I also couldn't resist and pulled the trigger on the top model 😅

[jolly wadi]

we will all be pulling the trigger on the top, regardless of model

L12/R12

[gentle notch]

What happening in 6 months

Thor 2 confirmed?!

[jolly wadi]

new shinys

retroid pocket 6

flip 3

[left kiln]

Typical honeymoon phase

[solemn zealot]

I don't think I can go back to single screen after messing with the Mini V2 + RDS combo

[jolly wadi]

i dont think i can go back to dual screen after messing with triple display

[wispy fjord]

I'm still playing my RP5 and happy with it, so I doubt I'll need much more so soon after the Thor, lol

[quiet mortar]

I don’t care about slab designs anymore. Clamshell is king

[little sky]

If only the Thor was somehow comfy and powerful enough to play the full steam library

(I know that’s not happening)

[hushed ridge]

Back to the Future 2 moment

You need to be able to play six games at once

[quiet mortar]

A Steam Deck can’t even do that and it’s made by Valve 😅

[little sky]

This fact bothers me everyday. Imagine my surprise when I booted up AC Shadows which was steam deck verified…

[errant dome]

at this point we have a wealth of info and footage... so now the wait is even worse

[wispy fjord]

Let's all hope that shipping starts as soon as they get back. 🤞

[celest rune]

I feel you bro

[quiet mortar]

On the bright side, if you split your Thor in half, you could probably still use the bottom screen 😆

[celest rune]

Now we need more unboxing of the other color.
Just to confirm our choose before the shipment

[icy atlas]

Split your Thor in half and it's still a Retroid Pocket Mini V2

[frozen laurel]

Great screen 😆

[whole linden]

Sneak peek of my next contribution to melonDS-android!

[supple mason]

you're doing god's work on melon + your launcher

[whole linden]

If you are curious, see the bottom screen!

Full support for GBA rumble cart!

https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_DS_games_with_Rumble_Pak_support

[fluid cloak]

👀

[wispy fjord]

That's awesome!!

Congrats on getting merged to main, btw

Azahar published and approved for MelonDS. We are all gonna be eating good when consumer units go out!

[whole linden]

Yup, just merged to base melonDS-android!

And that's only the start! I will try to take most open-source code emulators to support dual-screen devices to some degree!

[wispy fjord]

You're well on your way. Can't say it enough, I love seeing all your update posts!

(I hope my enthusiasm is not annoying, btw, lmao.)

[gilded pecan]

enthusiasm is never annoying

[whole linden]

Hahaha, don't worry, it's actually rewarding!

[torpid canyon]

https://youtu.be/dEQm1BNoGcU

[wispy fjord]

Fuckin' hype!

[wispy fjord]

[woeful estuary]

🔥

[dark aurora]

Really wish aya had stuck with the pocket S buttons on all their android devices. They felt good and were dead silent.

[wispy fjord]

Texture packs 'boutta go wild

[nocturne osprey]

for Lumi?

[wispy fjord]

Dragon Quest VIII 3DS. Texture mod that said it needed 20gb ram if you wanted to pre-fetch it.

Probably could apply to the new Lumi stuff too, tho

[nocturne osprey]

wait how can the Thor use it with its 12-16gb of RAM then

[wispy fjord]

Asynchronius loading.

[nocturne osprey]

how does that work

oh you meant the setting on emulators

nice

[wispy fjord]

Yes! I've been thinking about this pack a lot. I'm so excited.

[little sky]

I wish he did winlator stuff too

[snow palm]

About the button discussion, i think i never really thought about how buttons felt.

[icy atlas]

if you ask me how the buttons feel i will tell you how the game plays.
if you ask me how the buttons sound i will tell you if i like the game's soundtrack.
if you ask me which buttons are the best, i will tell you what my favorite game is.

[torpid reef]

what's your favorite game? 😮

[icy atlas]

Mother 3 probably

or maybe Tetris if I want to answer broadly

[low lake]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-lawyer-dmca-takedown-funny-gif-20399057

[torpid reef]

did it seriously get taken down?

nah it's still up

[low lake]

it did not just feels like russ is pushing gis luck lthere

[flint pumice]

113k views in less than 24 hours. I think only Flip 2 video got that many views that fast.

Preorders increased 40 only, less than 1%. Russ has no effect in China, or that the market has saturated, everyone who wants to buy already preordered.

[orchid haven]

anyone has a problem with express checkout with AYN's page? I dont think my order went thru because after getting my card deducted i was still at the checkout page and i didnt get a confirmation order in my email

[flint pumice]

I guess you need to contact Ayn support

[orchid haven]

Yeah, I sent them an email but they won't be replying until the end of their holidays so I guess i'll just have to wait and see

😭

[flint pumice]

Right, I forgot about that… That’s annoying.

[velvet fable]

Pulled the trigger on getting the Thor max

[orchid haven]

yeah same here

its the handheld ive been waiting for ever since ive gotten into this hobby

its gonna be one i'll be using for almost everything besides heavy pc gaming until a thor 2 comes out

[low lake]

that joey video was nice

basically only things that didnt run well at 4x were the ones that require special setting

or are Luigis mansion 2 ... which is like the most demanding title and its switch version is doable on ds8g2

[sacred gust]

8g2 should be fine for 5x for most of the games?

[frosty vine]

should be, 865 was hitting 5x in ALBW & some others for me no problem, 5x is what you want for 1080p, not sure why he'd go 4x for all the tests tbh

[neon vine]

Any existing cases you have lying around that might fit Ayn Thor?

[left kiln]

https://youtu.be/A1YvstfHCX0

[snow palm]

Is it still possible to change my order and keep my order number?

[severe kelp]

i think it is the perfect balance for every game

some games also had slowdowns even on native like the MH games

[frosty vine]

screen res or nothing imo

[severe kelp]

i mean i tried it on my Portal before and i didn't noticed any difference between 4x and 5x

also the top screen for 3ds isn't 16:9, more like 14:9

[frosty vine]

it's 5:3, doesn't make a difference, rendered res should be at or higher than screen res

[severe kelp]

well yeah i hope that other reviewers might try 5x on their units

i really haven't seen any 5x azahar gameplay yet tbf

[proud ore]

yes, need to write Ayn support

[snow palm]

Ty

[low lake]

MH needs special nondefault setting to work well iirc no matter the scaling

[fringe temple]

nondefaukt setting?

i would love to see stories play well 😄

[low lake]

Check teh comments under joeyis video ... someone me tions it ghere on how to set up MH games to work on azahar

Iirc you need specific settings and cheap code to lock fps

[fringe temple]

ooh

[low lake]

Can test in a hour if needed

[waxen seal]

man i just love my new 3ds so much

really doubting to get the Thor, as it just looks so goooooddd

but do i really need it if i already own a new 3ds??

[celest rune]

Maybe

If you want to play all emu AND ds 3ds than yes

This is like a NeW new 3ds ultra powered machine.
Like upgrading from ds to 3ds

[vapid rain]

It’s a big upgrade over the 3ds in specs, so it will be great to have.
My N2DS is starting to show its age

[fringe temple]

i love my 3ds models but this will be a good upgrade

[bronze orchid]

My 2DS XL is chugging along just fine

I need to clean up the down arrow on the d-pad or replace the contacts, I have the part just not the time

[celest fog]

I have the new 3ds and nothing beats it but the screen is slowly getting more yellow and it won’t last forever

[snow palm]

Its like having an old tv screen that only go up to 480p vs a modern oled screen. Sure you can use the old screen it works, but things just going to look better on the new thing

[sand sundial]

does anyone remember those old 1 screen ds conversions people sometimes do? I wonder how that would be for the thor

[tiny egret]

stupid and pointless

imo

[sand sundial]

well yea those conversions were mostly done when the top screen broke

I was just curious if it would work on the thor

[tiny egret]

youd have a powerful rp mini v2

[sand sundial]

I don't see how that is relevant for what I said

[tiny egret]

thats what it would be

if you took the top screen off

a not so mini rp mini v2

[sand sundial]

maybe it would be similar

[tiny egret]

its the exact same screen with either the same chip or 8gen2 and a bigger body

and a joystick on top instead of the dpad

[quiet mortar]

Maybe you're looking at this as a contingency plan in the event top screen or hinge breaks? Because if you were actually wanting to do this purposely, then you'd be buying a RP Mini V2 but with extra steps

And a bump in power and storage I guess if you went with the non lite

[tiny egret]

honestly it seems like a pretty goofy thing to do cuz ayn would prolly be able to help if anything with the screen/hinge happens

[sand sundial]

I don't plan on doing it, it is just something that occurred to me that might be possible

[untold fable]

It also would be flatter than the mini

It would be funky looking

[tiny egret]

strangely large rp mini v2

[untold fable]

Now I hope someone does it so I can see it

[jolly wadi]

these thor videos are making me want to cancel. how about you guys

sems like AYN's software support for dual screen just isnt quite there yet

[tiny egret]

opinions are opinioning

[jolly wadi]

or at least the ds emulators

[left kiln]

Eh? It looks great to me

[tiny egret]

i feel the exact opposite that you do

[left kiln]

The emulators are also fine lol

What videos have you been watching 😅

[jolly wadi]

i just saw that nitrx one

[tiny egret]

who?

[left kiln]

The one where he says citra cant be used for DS devices?

[tiny egret]

oooh hes an idiot

[left kiln]

Doesnt matter when we have azahar

[tiny egret]

i see

[left kiln]

Yeah one of those AI dubbed Chinese videos

[tiny egret]

loool

slop

[left kiln]

Azahar, MelonDS and Cemu all work with DS handhelds. I wouldnt worry

[hoary tiger]

The Thor definitely makes the Pocket DS look like a much worse option

[jolly wadi]

something about the touch not lining up?

touch input was inverted?

[left kiln]

You'll need to show us what you're talking about I think. That doesnt make much sense tbh

Oh that

Thats those specific emulators

You wouldnt use them with these handhelds anyway

Drastic or Citra

Its bot anything to do with AYNs software. Those devs would need to update the emulators to provide support like Azahar and MelonDS have but its unlikely that would happen

I was confused why that person even mentioned them really

[jolly wadi]

when do these ship out again?

[copper path]

I’ve been genuinely impressed at how good sun’s software looks at this stage, and the emulators will improve given a bit of time, especially with two dual-screen handhelds and retroid’s dual screen addon on the market now

[left kiln]

Its due to start mid October

[copper path]

supposed to start shipping mid october, though I’m assuming the bulk of preorders won’t all be shipped out until november-december, judging by how these things tend to go

[jolly wadi]

oh well. new shiny

we paid in full already right?

[copper path]

other than tariffs and stuff, yeah

[jolly wadi]

does that mean odin 3 will shop out next year?

[copper path]

yes lol

except the earliest preorders

[jolly wadi]

guess one last shiny this year for me, and a new shiny waiting for me next year

[copper path]

yuuuup

I’m just getting the Thor bc no way I’m dropping nearly a grand on two handhelds in rapid succession

I’ll get an 8 elite handheld in a year or two, when driver support’s solid and maybe there’s even a DS option

[left kiln]

Same. Elite devices can wait until support matures. I need me some clamshell 😋

[jolly wadi]

odin 3 portal

[left kiln]

I hope your concern about the emulators has been alleviated somewhat

[jolly wadi]

....also the fact we already paid lmao

so no new charges/negatives to see on the credit card

(other than duties, etc)

[vapid rain]

I might still get the Odin 3 even with a Thor simply bc I love smaller devices.
It just changes what I would use the O3 for since the Thor would already do a lot of what I was going to use the O3 for

[copper path]

Thor 2, more like – Flip 2 spoiled me and now candy bar devices just look so meh to me

clamsheller for life

[jolly wadi]

theres also the possibility of these handhelds becoming paper weight, with sideloading being blocked potentially

[vapid rain]

Winlator for my Odin 3 would be nice enough, but if SteamOS ARM or even proper Steam games on Android ever become a thing, I’ll absolutely adore a 6-inch Steam handheld

[jolly wadi]

i have recently been reacquainted with my rog ally, and im loving it

been questioning the odin 3 ever since

[wispy fjord]

• Azahar main releases support dual screen
• MelonDS Nightly fork supports dual screen
• Cemu experimental fork supports dual screen
• PPSSPP too while we're at it

[jolly wadi]

main use for odin 3 wouldve been winlator and ps3

[wispy fjord]

Just a reminder, lol

Huesos's work has been merged into Azahar main, the MelonDS work was accepted in a PR but hasn't been published yet.

[jolly wadi]

odin 3 will be better than rog ally for switch tho

but then i'll be getting my super5 mega kit soon. and by soon i mean i have no idea

[limber orchid]

Why would u buy an android device mainly to play pc games

[jolly wadi]

what else would you do with all that power lol

[limber orchid]

Why not just buy a pc handheld

[jolly wadi]

i already have

[limber orchid]

If you gonna do that

[gentle notch]

Android handheld small, x86 handheld big

[copper path]

the thing is like, if I wanted a dedicated Steam + Switch handheld (which is all the Odin 3 would be if I got both it and a Thor), I’d rather just pick up an SD OLED and not have to worry about Winlator/GameHub compatibility and overhead

[jolly wadi]

yes

[copper path]

how does dual screen PPSSPP even work?

[limber orchid]

Pc games on android is just a bonus , it's not gonna be as good as the pc ones

[jolly wadi]

but also i got tired of tinkering with winlator, and was amazed by actually just playing games on the x86 lmao

[wispy fjord]

Focuses on one part of the screen to blow up and zoom into such as a minimap.

[copper path]

oh that’s actually really cool

[jolly wadi]

i havent tried gamehub yet tho, and ive only seen good things

[wispy fjord]

I think it'll be nice for something like P3P where you can either have it in the corner or over your entire screen to see it well, now you can just have it on the bottom screen instead of covering the action.

Yeah!

[copper path]

I love the idea somebody shared of using the button screen for music and the top for game

[wispy fjord]

Yeah, that too!

[jolly wadi]

i was able to play Halo 4 1080p90 on the rog ally using only 12w apu. i was surprised

[wispy fjord]

In theory, if you "run" the game on top and put a music app on the bottom, as long as it has "play in the background" permissions, using the volume mixer should still work?

[copper path]

I should do some comparisons between Thor and overclocked Flip 2 when I have both

[jolly wadi]

i think someone posted halo 4 on elite runnning 60+. that would be nice too, smaller handheld + oled

[copper path]

just curious how big a boost SD8gen2 is over ~SD888 performance

[wispy fjord]

https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/qualcomm-snapdragon-888-plus-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-8-gen-2

[jolly wadi]

thats the thing for me too. im wondering how 8g2 will be compared to g3xg2, as ive been maining my dmg

[wispy fjord]

If that helps!

[copper path]

though iirc @ocean wind is planning to do an SD865/8gen2/G3gen3/8elite GameHub shootout at some point, which is probably close enough that my overclocked SD865 comparison wouldn’t make that big a difference

[jolly wadi]

whats using the 888?

[left kiln]

They basically perform the same

[copper path]

you can OC the SD865 on the RP5/Flip 2 and it’s basically an SD888

since the main difference between 865 and 888 is the latter has a slightly faster GPU

[jolly wadi]

oh i really need to try this...

i feel the 865 is just on the cusp of having enough performance for some of the games im playing. if it alleviates it, maybe i dont need the odin 3

[icy atlas]

you need the odin 3

[jolly wadi]

ok

[icy atlas]

you must always buy the next console

[jolly wadi]

i already did

discussion over

[icy atlas]

lets gooo

[green wraith]

i would buy a thor but i already have a new 3ds and dsi xl, both hacked 😭

[copper path]

it helps a little but I think the 8gen2 in the Thor is going to be just about perfect for my needs

[wispy fjord]

The Thor will honestly be an improvement in everything except immediate responsiveness.

And for a lot of games, that doesn't truly matter.

[green wraith]

I like rhythm games 😭

and games that use both screens at once

[wispy fjord]

Ahhh, that's unfortunate. It wouldn't be better for that, but if you enjoy any other genre, like RPGs or whatnot, huge improvement.

[jolly wadi]

im sure the 8gen2 can run the games ive been trying to play on the 865

[jolly wadi]

was there a warioware/rythm heaven for 3/ds?

[copper path]

like in GameHub I do see maybe a 10-15% boost in framerate with the overclock, it’s nothing dramatic but also helps add just a little more smoothness

[green wraith]

rhythm heaven and elite beat agents

[jolly wadi]

oc for 865 or 8g2?

[copper path]

oc for 865

never seen an oc for 8gen2 somehow

[jolly wadi]

guess ill get on that oc. which one will be my sacrifical lamb? the rp5 or the flip2?

do they both have the same cooling?

[green wraith]

now don't get me wrong i don't think i couldn't get used to a little input delay but i don't see the point when i already own a device that has none

i'm just mad i got a regular new 3ds instead of the xl

[jolly wadi]

input delay....?

is that the emulator or the device?

[left kiln]

Emulator

Using 120hz will help a lot though

[jolly wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-ds-ds-elite-beat-agents-rhythm-game-rhytm-game-gif-24618212

so i can blame the emulator for my crappy performance

i guess this thor will open up a whole new library for me

[green wraith]

will it? don't most games have a fixed framerate?

how would that help with latency?

[left kiln]

The framerate is fixed yes but it improves responsiveness. Its quite well known

[green wraith]

oh cool

[hearty charm]

for people super sensitive to it. I can tell you I can nail these games without needing 120hz to help me lol

[green wraith]

i'm honestly surprised nintendo hasn't made more classic edition consoles by now

a game boy classic would fly off the shelves

[hearty charm]

They like soaking idiots willing to throw money at them for the same game for the 10th time because...new console. I'm shocked they haven't as well

Nintendo fanboys are the tools of the gaming world lol

[green wraith]

i get why they stopped selling the 3ds but i'll never stop being mad about it

it was the last actual dedicated handheld

the switch lite really isn't pocketable even if you can technically jam it into a pocket

[hearty charm]

The 3ds was great, minus the gimmick of 3d lol. Some of my favorite games ever are on ds/3ds

[green wraith]

since the switch everything has just been getting bigger and bigger

[errant dome]

the ds and 3ds are made for one player, the switch is made for 4 kids huddled together playing smash

theyre not designed for the same purpose

[green wraith]

the funny thing is i'd actually argue the ds and 3ds had better multiplayer

[errant dome]

youd be wrong

go ahead

[hearty charm]

Shadow works for nintendos pr department. Don't argue with him lol

[errant dome]

bruh i hate nintendo

[wispy fjord]

3/DS multiplayer was not easily accessible, imo

[icy atlas]

3/ds multiplayer was both infinitely more accessible and infinitely better for children lmfao

[errant dome]

i have a switch but havent turned it on in literal years. dont even emulate it. dont have a switch 2. im a pc gamer

[icy atlas]

every kid had a ds lite because they cost 20 dollars and a toothpick

[wet edge]

being able to wirelessly share a mario kart game with a friend who didn't own it was pretty sweet. Played a lot online too which was nuts coming from gba

[wispy fjord]

I had to fuck up my router's internet security every time I wanted to connect on DS, that is not great.

[icy atlas]

ds download play meant you could play games only one of you owned

[green wraith]

the main reason i think the multiplayer was great was the modularity of it. everyone gets their own system and you don't need to all huddle around a tiny screen in cramped positions

[wispy fjord]

Also I lived in the middle of nowhere.

[icy atlas]

you literally just sat down and pulled out your DS

[green wraith]

^

[icy atlas]

you didn't need 3 extra controllers that were $90 a piece

[errant dome]

you can be comfortable with the switch too. playing on a tv, or online

[icy atlas]

you sit down, open LEGO battles, and play

guys im gonna play the fuck out of lego battles on the thor

[hearty charm]

You were wrong, it's okay 😄

[green wraith]

what happened to the days of stuff like the ds where you flop down and press 1 button to play multiplayer without needing wifi or a tv

[icy atlas]

pictochat alone mogs the entirety of switch multiplayer

argue with a wall

[green wraith]

you could even read books on the ds

[errant dome]

you dont just flop down, you have to have someone else with a ds

[icy atlas]

everyone has a ds

[green wraith]

^

[icy atlas]

literally the best selling console of all time

[green wraith]

theyre dirt cheap

[errant dome]

now you go online and play mario kart against thousands of potential players

[icy atlas]

after you pay for the online

[errant dome]

yet you can do it

[green wraith]

yeah you have to pay for the online just to play with strangers you don't know

[jolly wadi]

mario kart tour is the best mario kart

[green wraith]

some of whom are probably cheating

[wispy fjord]

I feel like you guys aren't engaging with the idea that some people didn't live in populated areas.

[errant dome]

sounds like cope, im losing so theyre cheating

you probably smacked the ds out of your bro's hands when you were losing

[wispy fjord]

Also their netcode was shit and I had to turn off/lower the firewall of our internet router any time I wanted to use it. At, like, nine years old.

[green wraith]

plus everyone is a sweatlord in online multiplayer

[icy atlas]

i live in a town with a population of 6,000

[green wraith]

i never had a problem, sounds like the issue was with your router

[wispy fjord]

4,500 for me, haha

[green wraith]

did you live in the middle of siberia or something

[icy atlas]

the issue was that the DS couldn't reliably use certain WPA implementations

[wet edge]

nine year olds these days don't even know about open NAT or port forwarding smh

[wispy fjord]

The woods, close enough. Also I was a homeschooled loser. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[icy atlas]

I had the issue a couple of times but maybe once or twice in the million and one times i did wifi stuff on my DS

[errant dome]

its like chatting here and being like, "man irc was so much better"

what you probably miss is the nostalgia of being young

[wispy fjord]

The plug 'n play of Switch Online does make it easier for me, even if my family has to pay for a plan to access it.

[green wraith]

but again you didnt need wifi for local ds multiplayer

which was my entire point

[icy atlas]

or maybe the older thing actually was better and just because its new doesn't mean it's better

[errant dome]

but you need people

to be next to you

and then its just that person

[icy atlas]

your original point was that the switch was designed for 4 people playing together next to each other on the couch???????????????????

????

[green wraith]

not particularly close

[icy atlas]

??//?
??
//

[errant dome]

i can hop online in any game right now and have endless fun

[green wraith]

your telomeres will eventually put a stop to your fun

[errant dome]

i can even hop online and play fighting games from 30 years ago on pc and find people to play with

[icy atlas]

you literally cannot turn on a switch and 'hop in a game'

you have to turn it on, connect to wifi, pay for online (that is p2p from your own console!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and then matchmake

the ds turns on and connects to another ds directly beside you

for a grand total of one hundred smackaroos

[errant dome]

but there has to be a human behind that ds, willing to play with you, for as long as you want to, in 2025

[icy atlas]

oh jesus fuck

just say you have no friends dude

[green wraith]

yeah that's what local multiplayer is my guy

[icy atlas]

we get it

[errant dome]

im a grown ass man, i can say yeah i do not have a friend who wants to play mario kart ds local with me for hours a day

[green wraith]

we say the local multiplayer is great and you say "but what if you don't have people nearby" like okay, if it's not possible it's not possible

but don't argue that it's bad just because a small minority can't make use of it

[errant dome]

i would argue its the complete opposite unless you are a child

the majority cant

[wispy fjord]

I'm going to work now, I'm dropping this, lol

[green wraith]

you don't have family members?

[errant dome]

im a grown adult, no my other adult family members dont have time to come over to my home to play ds

[green wraith]

ok but why do you need to bash local multiplayer just because it doesn't work out for you specifically

[errant dome]

im not bashing local multiplayer, im bashing the idea that what we had then is better than what we have now

what we have now is local multiplayer AND high speed internet gaming

we have more things now

you can play local mp mario kart on the switch as well

[green wraith]

connecting and charging controllers and making sure there's a tv to plug into are huge sources of friction in my experience

[errant dome]

and also online. its great

yeah i forgot the ds had infinite battery

[green wraith]

it had insanely good battery

like 16 hours

[little sky]

In the complete opposite boat

[green wraith]

i recently pulled an old ds out of a drawer where it had been sitting for over a year and it still had plenty of charge left

[errant dome]

joy cons have 20 hours of battery life

and the switch pro controller has 40

[green wraith]

not in my experience

[hoary tiger]

As someone who is almost 40, I'd love to call up a friend and be like "hey come play Mario Kart"

[hearty charm]

It's miles better than the retroid dual screen software experience lol. Not sure why these videos would make people want to cancel

[errant dome]

i would love it too, but smash

[left kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/why-what-in-the-hell-oh-god-pizza-house-on-fire-gif-15536410

[errant dome]

but theyre like, "let me ask my wife"

"no... sorry"

[green wraith]

invite the wife too

[hoary tiger]

This actually does happen with split screen Mario Kart on switch though

[errant dome]

yeah and thats my point. you have more options now

you can do it like that, or play online

[little sky]

They don’t make thin ones yet

[errant dome]

so how is the past better

[little sky]

(Not that I want Android particularly - my dream device would be a thinner Steamdeck)

[errant dome]

well, i guess if the argument was mario kart ds is a better game, then yeah

[hoary tiger]

With modern TV sizes it's like everyone having their own screen compared to N64 in your friend's basement on a 19" TV like it used to be

[errant dome]

id much rather play mario kart ds than world

[green wraith]

mario kart ds was the best entry in the series imo

[hoary tiger]

And I still get confused as to which corner of the screen I'm playing on

[little sky]

What’s the online service for this?

[errant dome]

nintendo switch online?

[little sky]

Sorry I thought you were talking about like pretendo or something but for NDS

A lot of well thought out points here, made it a lot slower to catchup for me

[errant dome]

i recently learned people run servers for mario kart wii, i wish this was the case for mario kart ds

[little sky]

I would love to play Mario kart DS online vs others

[wet edge]

there is a way. The CTGP rom hack site has a guide I think

in the FAQ there's a google doc with steps to set it up in melonds https://dshack.org/ctgp-n/readme.html

[errant dome]

If you’re going to use melonDS 0.9.5 or newer, download it from here if you are playing on a PC, from here if you are playing on Android.
Run MelonDS and go to Config > Wi-Fi settings and in “Network Adapter”, be sure you have “Indirect mode” selected.
Start a game and explore the menu until you find the Nintendo WFC Configuration Panel, and enter it.
By default, the first slot should already be occupied, tap “Ready” to edit it and check that the SSID corresponds to “melonAP”.
Scroll down to Auto-Obtain DNS, and toggle it to OFF. Now, insert one of the DNS listed in 5. Available DNS. Then, try to do a Test again. If everything went well it should say the connection was successful.
That’s it. Try to go online and see if it works.
NOTE: Wiimmfi makes use of the name you set on your system, not the one you set in-game. If you wish to not be displayed on Wiimmfi as “melonDS”, go to Config > Firmware settings and change the username if you’re making use of MelonDS’s own firmware. If you dumped the firmware from your own DS, go to File > Boot firmware and change the name as you normally would on the console. Don’t try to use firmware dumps you’ll find on the internet as it constitutes piracy, they’re banned from playing online and not necessary to connect to Wiimmfi in the first place.

ill have to try this

[little sky]

This is written as if Nintendo is currently running DS servers online

Interesting

[errant dome]

you change the dns

Available DNS
Wiimmfi
Primary DNS: 167.235.229.36
Secondary DNS: 8.8.8.8, 1.1.1.1 or blank

WiiLink WFC
Primary DNS: 5.161.56.11
Secondary DNS: 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1

Zwei.mode/WFZwei
Primary DNS: 172.104.88.237
Secondary DNS: 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1

Patched ROMs (Wiimmfi)
Primary DNS: 95.217.77.151
Secondary DNS: 95.217.77.151

[vapid rain]

I would not enjoy the Steam Deck at all personally due to its size, but this is just a me thing

I’d rather stream from a gaming PC to a smaller handheld personally

[copper path]

this is so much less fun than hogging a mcdonald’s booth with friends and playing lego star wars or mariokart or pokémon though

like sure online multiplayer is good but it’ll never be the same as playing with friends irl

same reason the gradual death of couch co-op deeply saddens me

like sure helldivers 2 online with friends is fun, but you know what’d be funner? four way splitscreen helldivers 2, everyone yelling at the screen at the same time, just a cacophony of gunfire, button mashing, and shouting.

[copper path]

game sharing was so cool on the DS

its cool that the Switch 2 has game sharing now, but a $100 console and a $450 console are vastly different in level of attainability, especially for kids

me, an adult in their 30s? I can afford a Thor, and I’m simply not buying a Switch 2 on principal. a kid or even teen? good fucking luck getting mom and dad to buy you a handheld that’s nearly half a grand, or worse, trying to save your allowance for one.

[vapid rain]

I’m just gonna wait and hope for a Switch 2 Lite to be made.
I already find the Switch 1 a bit on the bigger side to where it’s not a fully enjoyable handheld to use or carry around, but Switch 2 is just comically massive lol

On top of the price

[copper path]

Switch 2 size is great but a $450 handheld with an LCD screen is a joke

especially in a locked ecosystem

like one could make a much stronger argument for the Konkr than the Switch 2 imo

[kind saffron]

Eh. It just comes down to ease of use. And what kind of backlog you have

[hoary tiger]

But if the release version was OLED they wouldn't be able to sell you the OLED edition later

[vapid rain]

You can get the Konkr for half the price of the Switch 2 especially with the G3 Gen 3, and play a lot more games on it

[copper path]

for $550-650

[kind saffron]

Yeah. With work. But I get why people would buy either/or

[copper path]

this is true but base level konkr only really exists so they can brag about the low price

[kind saffron]

Yeah. I'd regret getting a base

[copper path]

but like even the 24GB+1TB elite konkr is the same price as a switch 2 and mariokart

that’s insane to me

and the same level of odin 3 is only 20 bucks more

(side note people buying ultra level konkr confuse the hell outta me, I can’t imagine spending that much and not spending $20 more for OLED)

[hoary tiger]

I feel like this is the same for the Thor. Like who's gonna get that one when the next model up is like double the performance?

[copper path]

I’m sure there are people who literally just want a dual screen Flip 2

but yeah it seems like a no-brainer to at least get the base model instead over the lite

[kind saffron]

Worth it just for some wiggle room on 3ds

[little sky]

I’m starting to get there. Today is the last day of a trip and I don’t want to pack my steam deck in the back pack because of the heft

[hoary tiger]

I initially thought about preordering the lite because of the price, but eventually talked myself into the top trim because why not when you're already investing that much into it? lol

[little sky]

And I also mostly play the bigger titles at home anyways lol

[kind saffron]

Pro is the sweet spot for me. Not really planning on winlator or anything like that

[vapid rain]

People in the Asian market, especially China apparently much prefer LCD/IPS over OLED

And there’s a handful of people as well that genuinely can’t look at or tolerate OLED well

[left kiln]

Isn't this info based off one random person though? Im not convinced by that 😅

[vapid rain]

I’ve heard it from more than one person, so Idk

Might be true

[hoary tiger]

Hell there's plenty of people here that prefer LCD over OLED

[kind saffron]

It's part actual physical reaction. But a lot of it is advertising in china

LCD is pushed way harder

[hoary tiger]

I'm not one of them, but I guess it's a thing.

[copper path]

that makes total sense! I only went with the Max because I do plan on playing good number of steam games on this thing and 256GB of space would’ve been annoying for storage juggling.

[vapid rain]

It’s a preference thing at the end of the day.
I love OLED a ton, but I won’t act like it’s the holy grail

[kind saffron]

Cause LCDs are manued in china

[copper path]

I find this fascinating, since, as someone super sensitive to like fluorescent and LED lighting flicker, OLED is so much better for my eyes than LCD

[copper path]

wait for real?

[vapid rain]

Yeah, I absolutely understand and can see why you would need OLED

[copper path]

I feel like everyone I’ve seen arguing for the Konkr over the Odin 3 has been like, “look guys, LCD isn’t that bad, a good LCD is almost as good as OLED!”

[left kiln]

Yeah I get it as a preference thing but as a generalisation? I have my doubts

[vapid rain]

Motion blur being worse on LCD is another advantage OLED has

[hoary tiger]

Yeah, I've seen plenty of people mention it over on the Anbernic DS thread

[copper path]

damn that’s wild

[kind saffron]

People preferring LCD is way more of a minority. Usually tied to purchase justification 😆

[left kiln]

Probably 🤣

[kind saffron]

Anbernic start using OLED and bam. Everyone there loves it now

[copper path]

this reminds me of the fact that there were actual TN LCD stans arguing that IPS and VA were inferior, back in the day

[hoary tiger]

Just like people who say vinyl sounds better than digital eh

[vapid rain]

If I’m going to get an LCD display device, I at least want IPS on it

[copper path]

I thin vinyl is like, about the experience?

and then people for some reason decided to try to make it an audiophile thing

[icy atlas]

Vinyl does sound better

Like objectively

But we're not getting into that right now

[copper path]

like nah fam run FLAC or ALAC through a tube amp if you really want that warmth lmao

[hoary tiger]

I mean, yeah, but plenty of people swear it sound better too. Even when they have an all in one Victrola thing

[copper path]

vinyl objectively sounds worse than lossless digital, but the analog warmth is real and comfy

[icy atlas]

Or I could just use a vinyl which is the same thing without having to have a dumbass DAC setup that only nerds have

[copper path]

if you’re playing vinyl without a good setup that’s even funnier honestly

vinyl’s hella nerdy too tf are you on about

[icy atlas]

I already have a good vinyl setup because it's been around for 100 years

I'm not buying a whole extra nerd setup to play FLACs out of MusicBee because I respect myself as a person

[hoary tiger]

love vinyl for the whole experience but yeah I'm not going to claim it sounds better

[copper path]

I can’t wait until people start saying how cool and vintage audio CDs are and how they sound better than FLAC

[hoary tiger]

Especially when they're mastered from digital sources these days anyway

[copper path]

“a whole extra nerd setup” mate you’re buying high-end emulation handhelds, you have absolutely zero room to use “nerd” as a pejorative

[hoary tiger]

But hey, same reason why people love CRT shaders right?

[copper path]

but like you’re clearly very invested in believing vinyl is technically superior so Imma drop this

[copper path]

CRT shaders are neat but they always feel off to me

[little sky]

Glad someone said it

[copper path]

and I grew up on CRT (and oldschool LCD in the DMG and GBA SP)

[hoary tiger]

I once wasted hours of my day reading posts on a forum debating if FLAC files sound better when played from HDD or SSD

[little sky]

That I don’t understand

[hoary tiger]

The consensus ended up being HDD because it's "closer to analog"

It's like how Paul MacGowan says WAV sound better than FLAC because of the CPU power needed to decode it introduces noise... Apparently ignoring the fact that the storage or network device has to work harder to play WAV

Anyway, didn't mean to start a debate on vinyl vs digital. Just saying that sort of thing might be why people like LCD or even TN

[copper path]

oh my god what

audiophiles really having a normal one there

[hoary tiger]

Hahaha right

Don't even get me started on "audiophile" switches and network cables

[copper path]

meanwhile here I am running lossy codecs on sony bluetooth headphones

can I hear the difference between lossless audio over a nice wired setup and AAC over bluetooth?

absolutely!

do I value that extreme purity of sound that I’ll only notice if I’m paying close attention over the convenience of wireless headphones?

fuuuuuck no

[left kiln]

I'll never forget the days of playing GoldenEye with 3 friends on an N64. Such good times

[vapid rain]

Same for me, but with Conker’s Bad Fur Day multiplayer and my siblings

[copper path]

my family inexplicably skipped over N64 but I have very fond memories of smash, mariokart, and bomberman on gamecube

and bomberman and mariokart on SNES

[solemn zealot]

Anyone got any experience using something like this? Seems like a decent solution to having to carry around a stylus but I’d worry about hand cramp

[hoary tiger]

After watching Russ' video on the subject, seems like a recipe for missed inputs

[icy atlas]

I just did though

[hoary tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoYp30Meki0

[wispy fjord]

Someone else adjusted the tip on this, but adhesive to an empty portion of the Thor, seems perfect

[snow palm]

at first i thought u were talking about using the keys as a stylus

[solemn zealot]

Have seen Russ’ video. Don’t really agree with his conclusions. The latency is mostly emulator side, so you’ll have the same problems with your finger. Also, many games like Pokémon, AA, etc. don’t need rapid/precise inputs.

The main downside for me is that I don’t want to carry around a stylus, so that key chain one is appealing as it would just replace my existing key chain but have the added functionality of being a stylus for my Thor

[hoary tiger]

As far as missed inputs go, I'm hoping one of the DS device manufacturers start supporting a bluetooth option

[errant dome]

I'm not arguing which is better. My argument is we can do both now, with better tech. We have giant OLED TV's, fast internet, better netcode. The situation is much better on modern consoles and even the still behind switch

[solemn zealot]

The more options the better, but convenience is my main concern. I’d just leave a less pocketable/convenient stylus on my desk and end up using my finger instead if I didn’t always have it on hand.

[copper path]

that’s a moot point when all of those things cost an arm and a leg

like yeah you can do local multiplayer with a Switch, but it’s just not the same as DS

3DS really was peak handheld

[snow palm]

Download play was really cool

[copper path]

plus I have never wanted to play MarioKart with some random assholes on the internet

[errant dome]

I'm not saying it's the same. But I am saying you can do it. And other things. You can do more and more people get to have fun. People who need to find remote friends can. People who have local friends can play with them. We have all options now

Everyone gets to have fun now

[solemn zealot]

Doesn’t the Switch/Switch 2 literally have the same functionality now?

[copper path]

except people who can’t drop $450 on a console

which is a lot larger group of people than those who can’t stop $100 on one

[errant dome]

Bruh there were people who couldn't drop 100 on one

[copper path]

oh absolutely!

but $100 is way more attainable than $450

[errant dome]

In the grand scheme of wealth and after inflation it's about the same for a poor person

I grew up in a multifamily home living in a garage

Before that an adobe house

I fucking know

Also you can get a used switch 1 for the price of a DS after inflation. Which btw wasn't 100 it was 150

262 after inflation

So a poor person can still do local multiplayer now for less than back then

[copper path]

mate why are you so invested in defending nintendo

[vapid rain]

The inflation argument only works when wages are adjusted to account for it

Which they really aren't lol

[errant dome]

My argument is less about Nintendo and more that limited technology for shared gaming is not better than the current one. That todays tech allows more people to enjoy playing together. We have every option possible now.

[copper path]

idk mate

the limited technology was a lot more fun

also streetpass was so cool

[limber marlin]

Limited tech meant more innovation and creative thinking. Now we just see people throwing everything they can at something creating shallow experiences.

What’s the name of the front end that was shown off for these dual screen devices? I think someone posted an alpha link the other day

Thank you friend lol

[kind saffron]

If you say it 3 times the promo vid asking for money appears

[limber marlin]

Yeah they ain’t getting my money

But they can have my attention for now

[vapid rain]

I’m following it with interest especially with huesos being involved in its development

Will be nice if it turns into something genuinely great

[kind saffron]

Yeah. I mean when they release something I can try or people can review I'll throw them some dough

[little sky]

I feel like the best part about our hobby is the emulators and front ends

[copper path]

if anyone gets money from me for iisu it’s gonna be huesos tbqh

not that design work isn’t work but usagi’s video + immediate patreon plug just felt too scammy

[kind saffron]

Yeah. I mean project is probably totally valid. Id just personally wait til they show something working. And then I'd also assume about half the states features either come late or not at all

[bronze orchid]

Not scammy at all, everyone's got bills to pay.

[left kiln]

An alpha apk is already out for testing and feedback

[bronze orchid]

You didn't get scammed if you didn't give any money. Folks just like to throw around the word "scam" fast and loose.

[copper path]

a thing can be scammy without being a scam

though scummy would perhaps have fit better

[bronze orchid]

Like it's not scammy to ask for financial support for software development

Shit takes time and effort

And they're very clear this is a work in progress

I'm not affiliated with them nor do I have a financial interest in iisu

But idk like y'all are crucifying them for asking for a bit of financial support while they design and code

Like damn

[frosty vine]

when the video was first released it was not clearly marked a concept w/no devs or code & was immediately asking for money

[wispy fjord]

They didn't even have a software developer when they asked for money. Just a vision.

[bronze orchid]

Crucify folks like the DNA duo guy that has been taking people's money without shipping anything yet

[wispy fjord]

Huesos, on the other hand, only made a patreon after making numerous contributions to the scene via preparing 3/DS and other emulators with proper dual screen support.

[icy atlas]

A Kickstarter is where you ask for money to make something. Not pretending it's already made and then duping people into paying for it

I'm glad it worked out for them! I really am

But it's not "scammy" what they did. It just is a scam

[copper path]

they are now, but the original video was very much not clear

like they’ve even edited the video description since, but originally it looked like a trailer for nearly finished software with a Patreon link in the description

I personally don’t think it was a scam, I think Usagi didn’t realize that little concept video, which would most likely read as just that to preexisting fans of Usagi, would get the insane spread it did

[wispy fjord]

It is also a very thoughtful premise. There's a reason it appeals so much. But god.

[copper path]

but I think it was scammy in that it never once clarified that this was not functional software, but instead a concept for software Usagi wanted to have made some day

[wispy fjord]

I had to ask him to add Huesos's information rather than him being excited to promote the super talented dev they got on board.

That concerns me.

[copper path]

that said, I’m in the group that’s very happy that the original concept post and subsequent publicity ended up catching the attention of some skilled developers, and now we’re probably going to get an excellent launcher with an actually good designer on-board

[copper path]

oh oof I was not aware of that

that’s a bit sketch yeah

[wispy fjord]

Yeah. If his patreon is listed in the server now, it's because someone asked. They said they'd try, anyway.

[low lake]

havent tried stories ... but got mh3u and mh4u playing absolutely fine on RP5+RDS at 3x vulkan with the 60fps cheats

so should be fine on Thor

[bronze orchid]

Unrelated @copper path I like your avatar, where is it from

[wispy fjord]

Stories is a JRPG too, a spinoff, so it should be fine

[low lake]

from what i understood there is soemthing with monhun on 3ds that makes emulators derp it unless you lock the fps by cheat

[copper path]

couldn’t find the DA again but here’s the post on instagram

[bronze orchid]

Cool, thanks

[gentle notch]

Will the thor be able to play Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare 2

[icy atlas]

The Thor will be able to play Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare 6

[gentle notch]

If only

[round quest]

MH Stories actually has an android port too

[wispy fjord]

No controller support, though

#🗡│rpg-shillhouse🛡 message

[kind saffron]

Oh sweet. You got a link?

[kind saffron]

Usually the way you do it

[wispy fjord]

https://www.patreon.com/cw/SapphireRhodonite latest post

[kind saffron]

But... That's lair

[gentle notch]

Lair is now iisu

[kind saffron]

But has anything iiSU been added?

[gentle notch]

At least I think that's huesos is doing

[wispy fjord]

#1407322274071314492 message

[kind saffron]

Or is it just going to become iisu

[wispy fjord]

Yes lmao

[kind saffron]

Yeah. I get it. But has anything envisioned in that video asking for money been added yet?

I mean outside of work huesos had already done

[wispy fjord]

I don't know specifically what you're referencing.

[tiny egret]

what a terrible sentence to say

[wispy fjord]

Retroachievements? Online friend service?

[tiny egret]

just utter bullshit

[kind saffron]

I mean it's just a question bro. Breathe. Lol

[tiny egret]

garbage perspective on a project

[kind saffron]

Right...

[gentle notch]

Go donate them $100 then

[tiny egret]

ill get it when its fully realized lol

[kind saffron]

Feel like he should have just worked on lair and possibly avoided some bad PR attachment

Cause he's basically doing the work right? So like the owner is just a hype man? Sounds dangerous for ones rep

[copper path]

i wouldn’t say that design isn’t also part of the work

and i think those of us who were offput by that video are a vocal minority

[kind saffron]

Yeah. I wonder if he sourced his designer too. Is he the designer?

[tiny egret]

its a lovely looking concept and i hope that it can become a reality with all of the people who want to work on it

[kind saffron]

The amount of defensiveness people already have over something that's not theirs over pretty minor but ok to point out concerns, is a concerning thing in itself 😆

I do agree it's not necessarily a scam tho

[copper path]

I believe Usagi is a graphic designer, yeah

[kind saffron]

That's good

Def some skill behind the vision

[tiny egret]

The amount of grams of fat in a McDonald's Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese is 20g of fat 😆

[kind saffron]

Haha true

I just can't wait for something to go south and people to come back in here and blame the people who had doubts for making it unsuccessful

[tiny egret]

just know that no matter if iiSu lives or dies its your fault either way

obviously

[kind saffron]

Fine. I shall take all the blame upon me

[gentle notch]

Jiisus

[copper path]

Zeelobby, taker of all blame

[torpid reef]

Akon

[kind saffron]

[copper path]

ayyyyy my guesstimate was right on the money

[wispy fjord]

[knotty ether]

Guys I can’t WAIT to get my hands on this device.

[wispy fjord]

Me too, friend.

[errant dome]

https://youtu.be/DOe_zgWAJfg?si=R54O9KcmGHRW2hSn

[balmy stump]

I'm calling my steamdeck a steamed egg from now on.

[velvet fable]

🥚

[wispy fjord]

Thanks, Stubbs!

[low lake]

vs flip 2

[left kiln]

Where is Stubbs' Thor? 🤔

[ancient torrent]

He ate it.

[final stream]

Can't wait to play two sudoku sessions at once

[low lake]

vs 3ds and pocket ds

[clear sinew]

You couldn't even handle two sudokus at once. That's too powerful for the mere human mind to comprehend

[left kiln]

Crazy how massive the Pocket DS is in comparison

[clear sinew]

True

The XXL DS

[fringe temple]

it is a chunky thing

[low lake]

will be funny next to DS Lite

[clear sinew]

I love that they kept close to the original 3ds XL

[left kiln]

Same. Its perfect for me in that regard

[clear sinew]

Bruh it would look like the pocket DS gave birth to his child

[clear sinew]

Yess👌👌

[final stream]

still crazy how they not fitted a 3.5mm jack in that ginormous body

[left kiln]

I feel like its more of a conscious choice to leave it out tbh. Their 'budget' line has it. But yeah its kind of dumb that they release so many devices without it

[final stream]

sure it's deliberate but then i think whoever spends time messing with android emulation and sites like aliexpress probably has some iem to make use for

[gilded pecan]

are there any review units in any other color other than black out there? seems like only black units went out as far as I can tell

[limber orchid]

Missed the point of android
It's as big as its pc counterpart

[upper sail]

Yeah, but that’s what makes it appealing in its own right.

It’s also why it’s great that they both exist as options.

[left kiln]

Agreed

[prime pivot]

too bad the pocket DS bottom screen is plague with quality issue

else i wouldn't have cancel/refund mine.

off topic : i feel ayaneo messed up big time when they brought this LCD panel in bulk, and realize the LCD is soft and hard to work with.

and ended up have an idea to make a DS like product to move these problematic panel out of their inventory.

that bottom panel would've been in VERT or mini air or some other planned product if it's not pain in the ass to work with.

[upper sail]

Eh, at worst it’s looking to be a potential lottery that I’m still fine with losing, since the only reason I even hated the issue in the Cube is directly because Anberic was lying and pretending the issue would be fully fixed before reviewers got it, then extended that to before international buyers got it.

As-is, AYANEO’s not even trying to deny it’s an issue that is more than understandable to cancel orders over, considering they’re literally telling people “if you are worried about this, please go ahead and cancel, we will not fight you on this”.

[upper sail]

Oh I can definitely agree that this was still a fuck up on their end.

They definitely should’ve been at least looking into more than 1 bottom panel option to see which one would be best during prototyping, as-is it just looks like this was legit just an impulse pick on their part that they weren’t anywhere careful enough with: “look, this panel is decently high-res and is a 5-inch 4:3 display. It’ll be perfect for the bottom screen of DS and 3DS!”

[low lake]

wait did i miss some specific issue?

[upper sail]

The reason for the light bleed on the pocket ds bottom screen is actually an issue with the panel itself being soft and hard to work with, where any of the possible variations in the assembly process that would normally be fine will have an impact on causing light bleed.

[low lake]

oooh explains thongs

and also explains why its not in otehr devices yet

shame

[upper sail]

Yup, and it’s something AYANEO themselves directly acknowledged as a fuck up that they’d be outright fully willing to accept cancelations over, while also not really being bad enough for them to completely cancel the device.

Wait wtf?

Kirazuki, I thought you said Ayn sent Rocknix a dev unit? This was posted today.

[low lake]

lol

wond it work pretty similarly to pocketds (how screens work ) / odins (soc)?

• they started ranting about it weirdl somehow at the tima china is on holidays

while never publicaly even pinging nicole for example

[upper sail]

Would definitely still need the driver for the top screen since it’s brand new, even if they’d at best be able to get the bottom screen alone working thanks to the Mini V2.

[low lake]

super weird imo,

almost like if they never planned to support it to begin with .. and just looking for excuses to shut up people

[upper sail]

I imagine they’re contacting them via the same method they did for getting support with the Odin 2 Mini, given that screen was apparently enough of a difficult thing to work around that it took way longer to support it.

So it would be weird if they’re suddenly going silent on that end now and expecting them to instead publicly contact them.

[sacred gust]

Probably limited units ready and not on their priority, based on past records rocknix team will probably get them sooner or later

And maybe some internal stuff (maybe minor hardware components, or stuff like firmware for the different controllers boards/ICs etc) not yet finalised?🤷‍♂️ What 's the rush?

[upper sail]

I mean I’d certainly hope so, since AYANEO basically ghosting Gamma on the matter is the reason he ended up losing interest in the Pocket DS, the Thor pretty much only barely being interesting enough for him to buy it full price in spite of Ayn also ghosting him.

[sacred gust]

Speaking about pocket ds, I think they sent rocknix team a faulty unit so progress also stalled?

[upper sail]

I haven’t seen anything on that.

[hoary tiger]

They could at least reach out and say "We'll send you one when they're ready"

[low lake]

they have been on dualscreen hate train since before we even had dsoptions
only broke down when Ayaneo sent them device

[low lake]

yeah ... they only just sent it to few reviewers and now china has loong holidays
too soon to rant about "linux devs not getting thiers yet" ... the priority is elsevher

unless they want the community to massannoy AYN folk to convince them

which make no sense doing now given holidays are till 8th

[upper sail]

Ok yeah, just found it and apparently it’s an issue that could just be unplugged ribbon cables, but they don’t want to open it without a proper teardown out of fear in potentially making it worse.

[low lake]

its the "stop bothering us we dont care" .... lets spam them intsead

[low lake]

oh lol , their aya experience is not helping either lol

[sacred gust]

good decision, seeing how troublesome ayaneo device can be to dismantle and put back, at least based on my experience with the air plus. are they still doing the hide screws underneath triggers so you you always have to pry off the triggers (and potentially break the clips or make it "loose" when putting it back) to open up their devices?

[upper sail]

It’s over a month old and they haven’t said anything else good or bad on the matter, so I’m currently not even sure if they got it fixed and just didn’t say anything yet or if they didn’t get it fixed yet because they’re focusing on Pocket Ace support until a teardown is available.

But at the very least it’s better than Ayn claiming they’ll send a dev unit for support and apparently just not actually doing that at all.

[low lake]

i mean they just sent few to reviewers and we dont know their priorities

they are raging prematurely¨while the other party is off work

thats all i am saying

[upper sail]

Except Ayn contacted and sent the reviewers notice on the shipment plans a whole week beforehand, and meanwhile the cfw devs got nothing.

[low lake]

tbh reviwers are way more important than cfw devs

[upper sail]

Like honestly, that’s outright the part that’s bugging me on this.

[sacred gust]

did they?

[upper sail]

At the very least I definitely remember Kirazuki saying they did.

[upper sail]

I’d argue the opposite given the whole RP Mini V1 fiasco and the very reason why MagicX is aiming to now send dev units way before review units.

[low lake]

as much i i love rockinx my RPm.... i just have hard time supporting them here cause of how ultra antidualscreen they were about ever supporting dualscreens before they got contacted about aya

they did use pretty strong words when people asked before

and suddenly 180

[sacred gust]

i think its more of they not interested to buy a dual screen device for personal use, so would not support it unless units are sent to them

[low lake]

adn thats exaxrly why they are ranting now ... in hopes of people en mass convincing Ayn wthen they come back from vacay

whcih is what doesnt really floats my boat

[upper sail]

Given how weird external display adapters can be, I’d imagine they were specifically not interested in having dual screen support for devices that weren’t inherently built with Dual Screens (in which case they’d only have to worry about specifically supporting the second screens on those particular devices, no need to worry about supporting the many different combinations of USB-C to USB-C displays or USB-C to HDMI adapters).

I still haven’t found a way to fix this for my Ace, even with the recommendations EmHell gave on the matter.

[little sky]

Cfw is more important for the consumer but reviewers are more important for their sales

[upper sail]

Like this only happens with Azahar and MelonDS’s external display signals, screen mirroring for some godforsaken reason works completely fine.

[low lake]

looks fire

[upper sail]

Yeah, these pics were taken from my IPhone 14 Pro without any third party camera’s, so I was stuck with using the default camera auto-focus.

Not helping matters is the fact my tv isn’t exactly the best.

[whole linden]

In this way enable and disable force landscape

And that would do the trick

[upper sail]

I currently wouldn’t be able to do it now since I’m not at home, but I’d be absolutely down with trying that in around 4 hours.

If it works then thank god, because it’s been driving me crazy.

[upper sail]

And turns out they were in fact contacting Nicole for the past month.

Here are the full comments for those wondering.

[upper sail]

So yeah, looks like it’s not them simply “trying to get a rise out of the community”, but instead just stating the simple fact that they can’t support a device they don’t even have access to.

[limber marlin]

Mind sharing the link? I’d like to try once my Thor arrives and I know I’ll lose it unless I bookmark it

[little sky]

Check pins, huesos has a patreon link for the alpha

[noble finch]

let it lie, AYN nor AYANEO have reached out to me either. I'll work on the Thor in my own time, but no commitment

[wispy fjord]

Thank you for any time you put into it

[low lake]

so its absically a way to say "stop bothering us, its not our fualt" to the community

simple as that

they will probably get it some time after holidays ... usually reviewers and actuall customers have priority

... supporting cfw on other hand are more of a possible goodwill of the maker , rhater than a must have priority

as evindent by anbernic trying to do everything they can to kill it

[upper sail]

Agreed with DJ on that.

[upper sail]

Ok, so that doesn’t help with my issue on the fact that Kirazuki either lied about them even planning to send Rocknix a dev unit, or they just told him they would to shut people up on it.

[wispy fjord]

Do you have where Kira said anything on the subject?

[upper sail]

Right over here.

[sacred gust]

I think probably referring to below which I read as "Ayn has already been working with developers and sending them units before Aya started" in general instead of being specifically for thor, especially since it was made more than a month back when real unit demo video wasn't even released yet.

#1381656143318880296 message

[upper sail]

Screenshot for anyone who doesn’t have forwarding support.

[wispy fjord]

Thank you for receipts, RNS

[left kiln]

Seriously...

[upper sail]

In hindsight this isn’t him literally claiming that they already sent Thor units over, so I’ll at least admit as much. But it was still a response to me posting about how AYANEO literally sent Rocknix a dev unit before they even were sending out review units.

[upper sail]

I’m genuinely not joking in the slightest that I wouldn’t blame you at all if this was Ayn telling you as much, given the fact that we already had a whole situation involving one of these companies saying stuff they didn’t mean to their own advertising manager.

[left kiln]

Nowhere did I say they sent a Thor to the rocknix guys. I said they have sent devices out to the rocknix guys before which they have

This is in reference to AYNs prior support of devs

I dont appreciate the accusation that I have lied about something I didn't say

[upper sail]

That is fair enough and like I already said in my reply to my screenshot, I definitely will acknowledge that I misinterpreted what that meant and I’m genuinely sorry for that.

[left kiln]

No worries. As for why they are seemingly ignoring the Rocknix devs this time, I have no idea tbh.

[upper sail]

Ok yeah, that was mostly in response to Prudis continuing to try and act like it would’ve been ok for them to back out on something like that if they had claimed to send one (in which case, they didn’t actually do that, which I’ll definitely admit to being wrong on).

[wispy fjord]

Not live for another 6 hours, but keep an eye on this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-gAv5khVCc

I will be at work.

[left kiln]

I'll be asleep

@wispy fjord Please read the above for clarification on the Rocknix stuff that I said

[wispy fjord]

I have! I'm sorry if I gave the impression I was giving it weight, I mostly wanted it out in the open so people could interpret your words fairly/directly.

I appreciate your pointing it out regardless.

[left kiln]

Its all good. Im just happy its resolved

[low lake]

they hell arou you even accusing me off

they never straigh up promised they will send it to cfw devs

they just have history of doing so

and personally i would prefer them to do all the work to launch swiftly instead of wasting stuff right now on soemthing less than 5% of community will even try, let alone actually use

CFW supportt is and always was a good will kind of bonus

[upper sail]

Mostly just “you accusing Rocknix of never actually contacting Ayn and only making a shit fit about it when Ayn is ‘conveniently on holiday and can’t respond’ with all the obvious intent in the world on what you meant by that”.

And then also the extra little bits of you just saying “well it makes sense that they wouldn’t, reviewers get more priority” (instead of, assuming you already knew what Kirazuki actually said, just correcting me on the matter that they never directly said they’d support it yet).

[olive mortar]

Another black review unit.

[wispy fjord]

lmao right?!

[low lake]

tbh my asssumtion was that they you knew they never did

[kind saffron]

I'm sure it'll be the first color to ship

[low lake]

and yes i was totally assuming recknix guys goving a shitfit ... cause they were super apprehensive about the whole dualcreen thing and quite agressively so historically

.
spaking of assumptions
i just messed up asssuming i had something in the fridge

[little sky]

I love that all the videos are coming in now

I think the RetroGameCorps full review will break 300k views

[woeful estuary]

[wispy fjord]

It'll be very beloved, I'm sure

[woeful estuary]

It was slated for Friday but DHL is hoarding it 😆

[left kiln]

One things for sure. He'll generate orders or refunds

[left kiln]

Don't forget to smell the vent

[woeful estuary]

Im leaving to New York in the morning to cover the Xbox Ally launch, so likely won't be seeing Thor content from RH until this coming Friday or Saturday

NYC Pizza is almost as good as dual screens

[left kiln]

Have a great trip 😊

[woeful estuary]

Thanks! We've got the whole crew there, im going to see if Bob has his Thor on him. 😆

Zu can distract him and ill run very fast

Cary might block my exit but I plan to distract him with HX390 AI+++ benchmark spreadsheets

[left kiln]

Good luck 🤣

[wispy fjord]

Oh, very for sure. I can't see yet what would turn so many people off, unless the hinge cracks from regular use while he's in Japan, lmao.

[olive mortar]

"Look Bob! I totally did a Switch 2 shell swap and it was super easy, especially the Joy-Cons!"
"WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!"

That's how you can get him.

[left kiln]

Please no. I cant deal with the chaos that would unleash in the AYN server. Im only one mod 😫

[woeful estuary]

Last time I just upset him with how I did hadoukens

[wispy fjord]

🤞

[low lake]

sounds like classic DHL 😄

[woeful estuary]

I think they want tariffs paid but didn't contact me, so I am asking Nicole if she can see whats up

[olive mortar]

With the general vibes around Xbox it does sound a bit crazy to me MS makes a huge deal out of this launch. It makes sense for new official hardware, but you know. The vibes have never been more off.

[low lake]

here they usually just sent a letter few montsh after delivery asking to "pay up the customs within a week"

[fringe temple]

It's been fun seeing the car crash in motion

[woeful estuary]

Yeah MS did their event for it a few months back in LA, but this will be the Asus sponsored launch

And also for all their other products coming ouy

Out

ProArt, etc

[low lake]

was fun when i received the letter with week delay

[woeful estuary]

Embargo will be up mid month for reviews

[ornate dune]

Did you just break an embargo?

[little sky]

What's your favorite spot? I work in midtown so I know the area quite well

[woeful estuary]

We just cant release reviews until then 😆