AYN Thor

[kind saffron]

I dunno. Pretty sure day one of joining this server I was saying a dual screen android handheld would be amazing. And this checks almost every box

[frozen laurel]

Because it will be fun to mess around with

[kind saffron]

It def opens up all new ways to play which is cool

[errant dome]

Using an SD card as internal has always caused me massive headaches

Well the one time I made that mistake, never again

[kind saffron]

Yeah. It has some slim bonuses. But some headaches afterwards

[fresh pivot]

Yeah, SD card as internal storage will only cause issues. Best to avoid it if you can.

[river salmon]

I think I'm going with 12/256, SNES white colorway

Minimally visible finger prints, most retro look

[red cairn]

Shit. Actually thats the reason I joined this server. Or rather the ayaneo ds pc got me looking at handhelds before I went with the gpd win mini cause I knew the second second screen would be a hassle in linux but I love clamshell devices. I just got odin 2 portal, I've used a decent amount. I like it but pulled out my psvita recently and started mess with it and like the size but wonder if it would be slightly too small. Also with the odin 2 multitasking is difficult cause apps pretty much close when theyre in background even if you just want to check something real quick or send a message. 6 inches, the ideal in-between, smaller than even a 3dsxl so mostly pocketable. And now I'll be able to just close it and plug it in to output to tv

[river salmon]

Retro/modern🗿

[red cairn]

Can we preorder this or what?

I see it on their website as "sold out"

[river salmon]

I joined when Flip DS was on indiegogo

[river salmon]

Monday

Evening

[red cairn]

What color are people getting

[jade pulsar]

Probably plain old Black if I do decide, personally color really doesn't factor into it much

Plus it looks slick in Black

[sacred gust]

If the hinge get crack lines, black should be less noticeable I guess? 👀

[vapid rain]

Clear Purple for me more than likely.
Will need to see what it looks like in footage. It's between it and Rainbow for me

[red cairn]

it looks slick as hell in black. I kinda like atomic purple though. Maybe if they different transparent colors

[river salmon]

The clear vs solid argument, in terms of build quality, doesn't make any sense. For retroid, solid colors seemed to crack the most. For Anbernic, clear colors cracked the most.

[red cairn]

I will gripe that the usb port is on the bottom front and not the back but with the battery it'll probably get I'll live

[river salmon]

I'm leaning towards black for OLED immersion

[red cairn]

is this an issue with the odin 2s?

[river salmon]

Issue with Retroid Pocket Flip 2 and RG35XXSP

[red cairn]

Well this aint that

The odin 2 old as hell. If theres a bunch of issues with their clear model we'd know by now

[river salmon]

But why are we comparing a non hinge device

[errant dome]

this is what im thinking, but think the clear purple with the glass front is going to look so good. one of those 2...

[red cairn]

well you said both brands had opposite issues. Seems the plastic would go by brand

[red cairn]

but I'm thinking this is the way

[river salmon]

AYN and Retroid are essentially the same company

[red cairn]

yeah but eh

toyota and lexus are also the "same company". The people running the brand can choose what they want I think

[sacred gust]

I doubt even within the same company they use the same plastic and/or manufacturer for all their products

[red cairn]

I think even if its literally the same manufacturer, that the facility they use is more than capable of making a variety. If the point is that Ayn is the premium brand to retroid, then can just choose all the better materials to maintain that image and reputation. Or at least, why else have two brands? Cause then it will lead to the same confusion that $200 retroid and a $500 retroid are the same

[kind saffron]

It's an awesome piece of hardware assuming no issues. Def what I've been waiting for

[red cairn]

I'm growing more and more impatient all the sudden

[gentle notch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/retroid/s/Hb3abatPHm

[kind saffron]

Sweet lord. Dude was like, let's pick the worst color combos for each console to compare it to a white block on white

And let's side light it just for giggles

The alignment also looks bad. It's only one cm wider than the flip 2. That looks bigger

[sacred gorge]

Why are people saying it's not pocketable?

[wispy fjord]

Isn't RP5 wider? I fit that in my back pocket all the time. With a printed cover bit on it.

[sacred gorge]

It's wider by a lot

[frosty vine]

i dunno what your pockets look like but that's not goin in mine

[sacred gorge]

I've pocketed my rg556 when I still used that

[frosty vine]

That's fucked lol

https://tenor.com/view/ultimate-rollerblade-matrix-gif-9813173044290140999

[kind saffron]

Eh. Some people are just bigger or wear baggier clothes than others. Nothing really fucked about it. Heh

[frosty vine]

I'm 6'5" & wear normal jeans 🤷‍♂️

[kind saffron]

I could fit the flip 2 in the front pocket of my work jeans/khakis

[sacred gorge]

I never wear jeans

[kind saffron]

I wouldn't if I didn't have to

Shorts4Life

[sacred gorge]

Khakis or if I'm going out that's not a restaurant, sweat pants

[kind saffron]

But yeah. Any loose cut is probably fine

[kind saffron]

It's also probably more fit then height related. I wear pretty loose cut pants

[sacred gorge]

Not pants but sometimes I pocket my steam deck in my hoodie

[wispy fjord]

I'm 5' and wear regular jeans from Target. Guess it depends.

[kind saffron]

When I do wear cargo shorts I throw it in my cargo pockets 😆

Like I wouldn't run a marathon. But if I need to switch floors or get mail it does good enough

[river salmon]

Toyota and Lexus, Honda and Acura, most of them are even closer than what AYN and Retroid has going. Like, literally parts from an Accord fit perfectly into an ILX but they'll tell you at the dealer it no-worky-worky

[kind saffron]

It's hard to say. Like clearly aesthetics wise the share a design team and some of the hardware

[fading anvil]

Yea I think I’m definitely going for the 865 model

I’m kinda disappointed that I can’t get any color other than black for the base models, despite $50 more for 8g2 is a pretty good deal

[kind saffron]

Feel like Ayn tends to be pretty limited usually in colorways

Actually shocked there's 4. Feel like that's more of a Retroid thing

I expected white black and a single retro

At least at launch

[fading anvil]

I am new to AYN devices so I wouldn’t know

[wispy fjord]

If I'm committing to the Thor, should I join the AYN discord?

[sacred gorge]

Why?

[wispy fjord]

Customer service throughline and insights, ig

[hearty charm]

You could join just because and check it out. Not sure why you need validation from anyone here

[wispy fjord]

Thinking out loud mostly, lol. I went and did it anyway.

[red cairn]

If they wanted to be really retro they should have copied the blue ds og

[river salmon]

"Four? Since when were there four? It's always three. Three blind mice, three musketeers..."

[river salmon]

I'm very happy they went with what they did. Much closer to the New Nintendo 3DS models look

Just wish they were matte finish:/

[icy atlas]

depends on if they add any more colorways

of the four they have now it's black no question, the other ones are boring asf

[red cairn]

I don't think ayn normally does that so I'm not going to wait

[full wigeon]

I’m calling it… someone is going to 3D print a flat back shell, thin trigger mod. Or at least look into it. (We had similar mods for other devices in the past)

[sacred gorge]

Probably still gonna get black

[fading anvil]

I don’t hate the black colorway but it’s definitely not my favorite

I got my mini in black and I quickly realized I enjoy having color on my handhelds

[errant dome]

I would be a customer. I'm 100% ok with inline shoulder buttons if it means more pocketable. I don't even mind it at all. Don't play racing outside of Mario kat so don't care about analog either

[round quest]

I agree! Give us flatness

[junior relic]

I can not deal with inline shoulders at all 😂

[last condor]

does anyone know how long the early bird period lasts for? im not too torn up over $10 but

good to know when that new price goes into effect

[left kiln]

Should be for a couple of months

[last condor]

neat :)

and review models are def going to come out after the early bird period, aren't they?

[flint pumice]

For Retroid flip 2, the early bird discount lasted until all preorders are fulfilled, which is at least a few days after reviews came out. Not sure if Ayn does similarly.

Reviews will come out end of September and shipment starts in October and Nicole from Ayn has said the discount lasts until stock arrives so I assume that’s similar to Retroid

[last condor]

i see, i see

[prime pivot]

Russ needs this pants

[maiden lodge]

I used to have these. They are JNCO Crime Scenes

[thorn widget]

ayn thor looks so good

but i gotta pray that i get enough money for this

i made some pros and cons for this device

PROS

-Clamshell, (Screen Protection when closed)
-OLED (Amazing Color)
-120hz (VERY SMOOTH)
-Double Screens (Multitasking, 3ds, DS games etc)
-Insane Power (8 gen 2 enough to handle switch games and winlator)
-6000mah battery
-High Performance Mode
-Has a cheaper alternative
-6'' Top screen

CONS
-Battery drain might be an issue
-Hinge? (If the issues might still be there)

Overall Rating (From impressions)
8/10 (9.4 if the hinge is fixed)

[fringe temple]

bit too soon for pros and cons but a decent summary 🙂 battery life should still be fairly solid tbh

[vapid rain]

Based on what the Flip 2 hinge mechanism was and why the cracks happened on non-Ice Blue, using better/stronger plastic on the Thor would help

It’s using the same mechanism based off the teaser video we were given

[tender granite]

6,000 mAh with 2 OLED, Nah Battery life will be fine

Hinge is Valid tho

[stone sinew]

Hi guys, i have NS2, PS5 and Steam deck Oled. I only need a device for the emulation of GBA, DS NDS and i love dual screen. Do you think that THOR with S865 is good enough? or maybe it's better Snap 8 gen 2 with 8 ram 128 gb ?

[left kiln]

The 865 is plenty for DS and 3DS if that's what youre looking for

[elder wing]

The 865 version is far more than enough for your needs

The 8 gen 2 is massively overkill powerwise, but that power does offer the ability for HD textures for 3ds games and such. Its mainly a $50 different, but i think 865 is good enough

[vapid rain]

Also think 8gen2 is a better purchase if you plan to keep the Thor for a long time

[thorn widget]

nah battery might be cooked bro

hinge might be good though

thats why i have a ''?'' at the end

[tender granite]

6,000 mAh and 2 OLED screen for Battery Saving isn't enough?

And how is the Hinge not questionable since AYN & Retroid ate basically the same company???

[finite gyro]

Just wait 3 months to see how it last

And its more on the quality of the plastic too

Ayn has been pretty good on that from what I've seen

But yea the battery we gotta see how much 2 screens will drain

Personally waiting on the o3 before I decide

[thorn widget]

yupp

[elder wing]

Considering they've probably been watching Retroid and the issues with the flip 2, they're probably figured out the hinge/plastic issue by now

[icy atlas]

Yeah they've probably been "watching" Retroid and not experiencing everything themselves

[fresh pivot]

I mean, it's not like Retroid themselves haven't been watching their own Flip 1 hinges.

[elder wing]

Im probably gonna wait to see how it pans out, then try and sell or trade my Odin 2 Mini for a Thor if it pans out good

[fringe temple]

that is the hope anyway

[vernal cloak]

Because I don't know where else to ask, does Winlator have better performance with Snapdragon Gen 2 or Gen 3? I ask because the only reason I have to get the Max version of this would be the extra Winlator performance, however, if it's better to have a Gen 3 Snapdragon for Winlator anyway, I might as well just get the mid version of the Thor, and look for another future device to fulfill my Winlator needs.

[elder wing]

Winlator relies more on your RAM than the CPU from what i understand. Sure you might get some better performance on the gen 3, but if you don't have enough ram, then it's pretty much rendered moot

[vernal cloak]

Very good information to have, thank you. So the max is still on the table for me. Now let's wait and see how the hinge and the battery worries go.

[elder wing]

No problem!

[gilded pecan]

that's not really true

yes you do need RAM, a lot of RAM when running heavy duty stuff

but you do need CPU as well, it's not any less CPU intensive because of that

Winlator is one of the last few things on Android that still benefits linearly from better CPU power

[elder wing]

I didn't mean for it to come off that way lol. Yes the CPU is very important for this, but tbh, I wait for something with the Elite chips as between the gen 2 and 3, the 3 will definitely give a performance boost, but not enough imho for the upgrade atm compared to the Elite chips or the G series

[river salmon]

The weird thing is, they tested Flip 2 for like, 50 or 100,000 cycles. They are very confused themselves.

[kind saffron]

To be fair, plastic is a pretty diverse material. Depending on what kind of plastic environmental factors can also play a huge role, humidity, temperature, etc.

[kind saffron]

I feel like in certain parts of the US a metal handheld would literally rust if left out 😆

Very possible their "lab" conditions were pretty consistent and sterile

Even small things like the hinge being made of metal and it expanding and contracting on a micro scale with temperature fluctuations

Bigger companies do a lot of this stuff and set tolerance standards around them. Not sure these go beyond just bending it a lot

[stone sinew]

What are the best variant in term of hinge damage?

[kind saffron]

Mechanical stuff is always more challenging

[river salmon]

Yeah. Just look at rubber in Russ's house. I remember him complaining that it would fall apart over time; however I've been using an MX Master for 4 years in Nebraska. No issues.

[kind saffron]

You want it to be as flexible as possible. ABS, PETG, ASA are all popular 3D printing plastics for mechanical parts because they bend more and are less brittle. Each also reacts differently to temps and moisture. ABS is probably one of the most common for devices. This might even be that. But I doubt they just run the full gambit of testing

Probably look at laptops for the best example of longer lasting hinges. Mostly metal. Mostly enclosed in metal. Or hidden within the device frame itself

[last pond]

Is there a community spreadsheet that shows what Switch games can currently be emulated?

[kind saffron]

Almost no laptop does exposed hinge design crap because it would just never survive, especially wrapped in plastic

[river salmon]

They should do an industrial design with lubed ball bearings and steel gears for setting the screen angle

[grave grotto]

How is tariffs going to affect final cost in the US?

[river salmon]

Currently it won't

[kind saffron]

Honestly best case scenario would be all plastic base. All plastic lid, anodized aluminum hinge connected to both. Best best case is internal metal frames the hinge connects to both in the top and bottom. Obviously all of this increases price but would mean everything lasted longer

Like that point of rotation. Make that all metal

Obviously that adds to price tho

The way toys get around it is by using a more flexible plastic and just having really loose tolerances. Which wouldn't be as enjoyable on an electronic

[river salmon]

Is that GPD Pocket

[kind saffron]

OneXPlayer G1

GPD is similar tho. Just comes with a smaller neck for the display in the middle I think

They do the whole rotating screen thing

But yeah. Companies do weird shit, like make the top shell metal. And then the hinge is still wrapped in plastic (pocket DS)

Would much prefer plastic lid and metal wrapped hinge

[silk remnant]

Is there just as much support for both of these chips when it comes to Linux, alternative os, cfw, custom drivers and etc? Are there things the 865 can functionally do that the 8gen2 cannot? Have we effectively reached parity on the community support between these 2 chips?

Cost aside, are there ways that the sd865 could be more compatible with a given use case than the sd8g2?

Do these packages include support for the WiFi radio/bluetooth? could you expect better WiFi compatibility and potentially better performance from the newer 8gen2? Is that how it works?

[last pond]

IIRC both just have Rocknix and that's it

Well I mean, Rocknix supports both chips

Also tbh I don't think a lot of people actually used Rocknix on Retroid devices

[crude tulip]

if you don't use both screens at the same time it should be better than the Odin 2 Mini at least

[hearty charm]

Yeah, you don't have to use both screens and I won't unless necessary. Still going to be better than using the dual screen thing with the rp5 lol. That thing is a battery killer, based on what I saw in Russ's video

[silk remnant]

I love the idea of paying $250 for this device, but I want purple and believe my use cases, with the 2nd screen, necessitate more than 8gb which puts me at the 349, 8g2 regardless. Then Claude pointed out that:

Snapdragon determines:

Maximum capabilities - Each Snapdragon model has integrated modems and RF components that set the theoretical limits for WiFi standards (like WiFi 6E, WiFi 7), Bluetooth versions, and cellular bands

Core specifications - Things like maximum WiFi speeds, supported frequency bands, and Bluetooth version are largely dictated by the chip

I also would likely throw a 1tb card in this so, that’s +$70 on a good day…

At $419 after the additional 1tb sd card, you might as well get the faster wifi standards, better Bluetooth compatibility, likely a more secure platform with better power management/efficiency, with an extra 4gb as cherry on top? I think I see really good value at that top tier. Really feel like I need to stretch for it.

Oh and theoretically that onboard 1tb should smoke the 1tb sd card right?

[hearty charm]

The pocket ds is worth the pre-order if you want one, you save a lot. The thor...10 bucks is laughable and no reason to rush out for it. I am happy to wait and see how ayn thor pans out. I don't trust anything coming out of that factory regarding hinges lol

[gilded pecan]

top screen is beefier here than in the o2 mini, it's not a given that battery life will be better even at 60hz

I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on par with the O2 Mini at 60hz and worse at 120hz

[crude tulip]

it's OLED and ain't intend on burning your retinas out tho

[gilded pecan]

fair, OLED should in theory be more efficient

[crude tulip]

so at least at 60hz it should have a better battery life, despite the 1" size increase

[gilded pecan]

they probably didn't test with the final plastic material

[low lake]

from what i understood is what they tested was opning the device up from the middle across those cycles

and not what some poeple do opening the lid from the side

[crude tulip]

still a scenario that is very likely to happen, not that wouldn't baby my devices, but heck, opening it up "wrong" is kinda not what should do the "hing" in 😅

[scarlet ferry]

8 gen 2 is more powerful and I think it has a couple vulkan extensions that 865 doesn't (which allows parallel + parallel for N64 emulation, the most accurate with best options)

[scarlet ferry]

I do

Rocknix is a blessing if you don't want to spend so much time configuring things before playing

[jolly wadi]

I’ll just drop this here just in case….

[gentle notch]

The stability is a bit rough

I think the g3 gen 3 is supposed to have better stability than the g3x gen 2

[jolly wadi]

Ok, then just compare the lowest score. Still 6x better

[gentle notch]

Well I mean yeah

[upper sail]

That’s mainly due to the heat of the chipset itself since it’s an 8 gen 2 that’s tweaked to allow overclocking in stock.

On the Odin 2, it’s able to stay more stable directly because of the fact that it’s got a hard limit on what it can do without rooting.

[jade pulsar]

Your also talking about 6 years difference in release date

Not really a fair comparison

[jolly wadi]

then why live in the past

[jade pulsar]

Who’s living in the past ?

Difference is pricing

DMG roughly cost twice as much

[jolly wadi]

yeah all up to the consumer on what they want to pay for

[jade pulsar]

What was the point of your pic again?

[jolly wadi]

i dont even know myself

nah i was just surprised of the difference in performance

but i guess i shouldnt have been

if anything i felt the 865 was more performant than what that pic shows

[wide thorn]

All that power and can't even play an FPS with that trash track-pad.

[jade pulsar]

Fair , SD 865 is well optimized and has great drivers

[jolly wadi]

yep. but its not really built for that

[gentle notch]

Gyro

[wide thorn]

Works for a controller, not a handheld where the screen is moving along with your hands.

[jolly wadi]

tell that to nintendo

[gentle notch]

Yeah would be kind of silly tbh

[wide thorn]

Nintendo are the ones who figured out ages ago that the best doesn't mean raw power.

[last pond]

I'm gonna wait as well, hinge is not the only thing anybody can screw up in a handheld

Then again how long should one wait to make sure hinges are solid? IIRC Flip 2 took a few months before everyone started to have problems

[jolly wadi]

i dunno. worked well for me (uncharted vita, zelda switch)

[vapid rain]

Within the first few months should be when any obvious hinge issues start arising.
Anything past that should be covered by warranty ideally

Even better, hinge just ends up being really good still for long enough that there’s very little concern

[rugged orchid]

I have a question: what's the harm in preordering exactly? If the hinges should break or the batteries explode, we would get a replacement or a refund, right?

[jaunty hull]

not guaranteed. especially when dealing with chinese companies. though they genreally are ok ish... its a gamble.

[rugged orchid]

Even with a company like AYN? I mean, they have made some successful devices before.

[sacred gorge]

Wild comment considering the discord is about retro handhelds

[jaunty hull]

yes....whats so hard to understand that you shouldnt preorder if you dont wanna betatest and gamble with your money?

almost happened with retroid and the mini v1 earlier.

always assume that pre-ordering is a gamble.

[jolly wadi]

Just meant why buy something from 6yrs ago when you can buy something new today (factoring out price). Otherwise same thing could be said with all the new devices, why buy them when you can get the og consoles?

[sacred gorge]

Considering the majority of this space focuses on playing games from 10-20 years

You don't need the latest and greatest

[gentle notch]

Idk I kind of feel like for only $50 more the 8 gen 2 sku is kind of a no brainer

[jolly wadi]

If games from 10-20 years, then sure.

[rugged orchid]

I personally never had an issue with the different devices I pre-ordered (some much more expensive than this), so I was curious how much of a gamble it is with a company like AYN, as everything I've read about them sounded like they were trustworthy in that regard.

[kind saffron]

A lot you can do with these that isn't limited to PS3 and before tho

[jolly wadi]

They are as trustworthy as any other Chinese handheld maker. Whatever that may mean

[kind saffron]

Haha. Yeah. I've seen the general complaints for pretty much all of them at some point

Even Ayaneo is delivering faster now

[upper sail]

And apparently they’re doing better with customer support than they used to.

[kind saffron]

Yeah. Sounds good to me

[errant dome]

Only the max is worth preordering for the 30 bucks off. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself

[kind saffron]

Wish we got some pins in here

[wispy fjord]

Considering shipping and potential tariffs, $30 off is probably very helpful, lol

[quick mantle]

How much do you pay on tariffs when buying Ayn devices normally?

[crude tulip]

zero, zilch, 4PX avoids tax to Europe 😂

[wispy fjord]

This will be my first AYN.

[quick mantle]

4px avoids tariffs?

[sacred gorge]

He's joking cause he's in Europe

So zero tariffs

[crude tulip]

I said to Europe, but hell, it has a better shot to the US than DHL at least

[quick mantle]

Alr

[quick mantle]

Yeah just realized that part🫤

[crude tulip]

Europe has 17-27% on everything coming in (depending on the country)

Luxemburg does 17% vat, Hungary 27% (insane)
I complain already over the 19% Germany does 😂

[sacred gorge]

Yea but that's not tariffs just other tax 😛

[crude tulip]

while tariffs are designed to influence the cost and flow of imported products and VAT officially is a general consumption tax, in effect they do the same 😛

[steel rune]

Am I a crazy person who just wants the Thor as a premium Flip 2? I feel like in reality, the bottom screen will likely be turned off most of the time

[sacred gorge]

Considering people have been asking for dual screen devices in ages, probably yes

[placid fog]

I'll probably use it in single screen mode more than anything. Though I'd use the bottom screen for 3:2/4:3/8:7 stuff and top for 16:9

[sacred gorge]

3:2 is probably better for top

[placid fog]

Eh maybe.

GBA looks wrong when it's too big to me

[sacred gorge]

I like my GBA on the top screen on the 3ds

[steel rune]

Links awakening dx on the bottom and the remake on the top?

[errant dome]

Imagine if you could send inputs to both screens at once

[placid fog]

That's totally fair. But the bottom screen on the Thor will actually be good!

[errant dome]

I like beam simulator on GBA even if it's unnatural

Top screen app day

[amber pivot]

same screen as the RP Classic

it's really good imo

[sacred gorge]

GBA is fine on the RP classic screen

[quick mantle]

Wait so the price of a base Ayn Thor would be close to 400 because of tariffs to the us?

[frosty vine]

in theory, in practice either customs hasn't been enforcing it or these companies have been using workarounds, dhl is the only one i've heard of actually abiding

[low lake]

DHL at least here also slaps theeir own iunsane fees on tom

[wispy fjord]

Just moving this over here too because

[cloud aspen]

GBA looks shit past like 3.5”

[quick mantle]

So if I use 4px I'll only pay the price listed on the website + tax?

[frosty vine]

in theory, no one really knows what the situation will look like by the time they ship, shit's changing by the day, but up until now at least that's how it's been

[quick mantle]

Damn alr

[low lake]

#MagicXOne35when

[upper sail]

Hell no, I freaking love GBA on the Pocket Ace.

And even before that I liked it on the Flip 2 and RP5.

[gentle notch]

That is definitely an opinion

[placid fog]

I wouldn't use that strong language to describe it but I do think they're are diminishing returns

All personal pref though

[errant dome]

The only thing diminishing is my eyesight with old age

[gilded pecan]

RG552 enters the chat

[eager thistle]

There definitely is a point for GBA where it looks bad when it gets too big, couldn't deal with FFT:A on my steamdeck

[zenith osprey]

If the PPI was better on bigger screen it look great. But these bigger sceens have lower PPI

Many handheld retro game

[balmy vortex]

I don't know much about this snapdragon chip. Can it play switch to a certain level? I am thinking of picking it up to replace my RP5.

[lavish crypt]

The 8g2 offers a lot power over the 865

[balmy vortex]

So, potentially?

[placid fog]

Same chip in the Odin 2 family so yeah it does switch about as well as any Android SoC can

[lavish crypt]

Indeed

You can just look up odin 2 gameplay and you can see it for yourself

The 8g2 is a powerhouse flagship soc from a few years ago

[upper sail]

What the hell are you guys talking about? GBA literally doesn’t give a shit about PPI on the Steam Deck, it already integer scales perfectly.

Those pixels are already the best they could ever possibly look on it.

[celest fog]

Weirdly I find a CRT shader helps a lot for that. Softens everything a bit

[wispy fjord]

The actual problem is that FFTA doesn't look super good when blown up.

[celest fog]

Higher PPI = smaller pixels = less blocky image.

It’s not about whether it’s integer scaled or not.

[upper sail]

Except those pixels will be blocky regardless because of the integer scaling.

[celest fog]

No, what I mean is

Imagine I’m showing you an image made up of 10 pixels. One screen is low PPI the other is high PPI but both screens are the same size

[upper sail]

The only possible way you could make it look “less blocky” is if you use something frankly really gross like those “16-bit pixel upscalers” that make them look smoother.

[celest fog]

That’s also not true

[sacred gust]

If it's integer scaled, It will look the same on both device/screen

[upper sail]

Integer scaling doesn’t give a shit about ppi.

That’s literally how it works.

Several pixels being used to display a single “in game” pixel.

Non-integer scaling is when ppi becomes more important.

[hidden hollow]

Do we know if the two screens can be toggled off one at a time?

[upper sail]

GBA on a 1280x800 screen will look the exact same as it does on a 2560x1600 screen of the exact same size because both can use the full vertical resolution and will still integer scale properly.

[celest fog]

You’re disregarding the physical size of the pixels. As in, yes I agree that 1 in game pixel will be made up of 2x2 or 4x4 or whatever

[eager thistle]

Both screens are OLED so telling one screen to display a black box would effectively turn it off

[upper sail]

Yeah, pretty much. I love the game, but it was made for smaller screens.

[celest fog]

But the actual effect of higher PPI for a given screen size is still smaller, sharper pixels

[wispy fjord]

We know the bottom one can be turned off

[upper sail]

If we’re talking about non-square pixels then yeah I’ll agree with that.

Square pixels though? Those do not give a shit about ppi if they integer scale, the pixels of the gba game will always be the sharpest and most accurate they possible could be with integer scaling, because you can’t magically make a square more sharper by stacking 4x4 squares instead of 2x2 squares, they’re already squares.

To say otherwise is to act like the GBA itself had non-square pixels.

[celest fog]

Alright let’s say I’ve got a 4 inch 1024x768 display and a 40 inch one. Both of them showing the same image integer scaled to the same multiplier. Which image looks crisper?

[frigid shore]

They...should look the same on account of being integer scaled.

[upper sail]

We’re not talking about 1024x768, this whole time I was talking about the Steam Deck’s 1280x800 screen.

[frigid shore]

There's no smudging or filler happening since it's integer scaled. A square will still look like a square integer scaled.

[upper sail]

And even if we were talking about those, then like Eikouta explained, as long as they are integer scaled instead of being stretched to fit, they will look the same.

[celest fog]

Well I just chose a resolution at random. Doesn’t matter the precise resolution, just that pixels per inch will always have an effect on the sharpness / clarity of the image

[upper sail]

Except that’s not how integer scaling works in the first place. If you were talking about non-integer full size, that would at least make more sense.

[sacred gust]

Isn't this a different scenario?
A better comparison should be a 4 inch 1024x768 vs a 4 inch 2048x1535, viewing the same 1024x768 image at the same distance.
And it would be the same.

[eager thistle]

The image can look different when viewed on a 4 inch screen vs a 40 inch screen. The PPI argument though would be comparing an integer scaled 768 resolution screen vs say a 4k resoluton screen of the same size. In that scenario they would look identical and thus the PPI is irrelevant

[frigid shore]

The reason people are so obssessed with integer scaling is so that it'll look the same.

[celest fog]

I think we are talking at cross purposes, I’m not talking about smudging or stretching etc etc

[upper sail]

Exactly what I’m saying, PPI doesn’t matter at all when talking about Integer scaling because it already will look exactly as sharp as it would on a smaller screen with integer scaling.

The only reason it would arguably look “more pixelated/weird” on a bigger screen would be due to the game itself being stretched bigger than the screen it was intended to be played on.

[celest fog]

The second part is what im talking about

Perhaps the word sharper caused confusion. Less pixellated

[eager thistle]

But PPI doesn't affect that at all when integer scaling

[upper sail]

Even then, it’s still the same as it would be on GBA, it’s just the fact that it’s bigger than what it was intended to be (it’s like making a 10” 240x160 screen).

[upper sail]

So the issue becomes less “it looks less accurate” and quite literally becomes “it looks too big, like I’m looking at it from a microscope”.

[sacred gust]

The only thing I can think of being related to what you say is that the screen is large enough (think TV size) + you stare at it close enough (eyes/head close to the screen) that your eyes can spot the individual pixel/grid even in a pure white background.
(Similar to how people zoom in on pixels to check for issue with camera etc).

But that should not apply in the typical handhelds nowadays.

[frigid shore]

I think it was solely because you specifically said it wasn't about whether it was integer scaled or not.

When GBA integer scales on the Steam Deck perfectly.

[low lake]

pocked ds bottom uis lcd

[eager thistle]

Yeah but we're in the Thor channel

[upper sail]

Exactly, which is why I had issues with the original example given since ppi shouldn’t have mattered in the first place, the only thing that should matter is the very nature of playing a game on a screen several times larger than what it was meant to be played on.

[low lake]

but the talk was about pocket ds 5" low ppi screen

[eager thistle]

Oh I didn't notice that

[upper sail]

And even that is dependent on the games in question and arguably the person playing them.

I have literally zero issue with Mega Man Zero or Battle Network on the Steam Deck since both of their artstyles are good enough to still work when effectively stretched, but I’d agree that FFTA would probably look weird on it.

[frigid shore]

I think FFTA just tries to squish too much onto the GBA's small screen so when blown up it just looks bad.

MMZ and BN have pretty well defined sprites so they look nice even enlarged.

[upper sail]

Exactly what I’m saying.

[zenith osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[upper sail]

Excellent input. Very informative.

[zenith osprey]

Scaling will make ypu image smaller on the bigger screen. But whatever. I don't need walls text. You win or are correct. I don't really care.

[upper sail]

You know you can just actually admit that you chose the worst possible jumping point for your take right?

Like, I would outright agree with your comment on lower and higher ppi’s mattering if you didn’t decide to say it about the one type of scenario where that literally wouldn’t matter.

[zenith osprey]

I really don't care.

[upper sail]

Cool.

[zenith osprey]

Anyways trying to decide if I should just go base model or higher. Tried of these companies locking colors behind higher specs

[sleek ledge]

higher if you want to play all the games

[zenith osprey]

I don't emulate android switch. And my RP5 and Flip play everything I want

[quick mantle]

If the rp5 and flip play everything you want then the base model has the sane chip as them so you should be good with base

[zenith osprey]

But only 50 dollars for a newer SOC.

[quick mantle]

Really up to you on if you want to spend the little extra for some more performance

[sacred gorge]

It's a little extra for a lot more performance

[zenith osprey]

Just thinking out loud

[quick mantle]

True

[candid inlet]

By “reinforced hinge” this means it is made out of metal? Is this an improvement over the Retroid Flips, did those utilize any metal at all?

[placid fog]

Thankfully both the SD865 and SD8G2 are both well known chips in this space at this point.

[gentle notch]

Yeah and qol like better wifi and charging as well

[candid inlet]

Also will the analog stick caps be replaceable? I would like the option to throw on some high profile ones when I want to do streaming

[zenith osprey]

Better wifi and I know now

Getting the better chip

[hearty charm]

Retroid used a "reinforced hinge" for the flip 2 as well lol

[zenith osprey]

This what scares me

[hearty charm]

Especially because they are either the same company or at the least use the same factory etc. So either way it's a real concern

[zenith osprey]

And is the 10 dollar off worth it?

[hearty charm]

Not to me, the pocket ds I pre-ordered because it was a significant increase in price after. The thor pre-order is like the joke that retroid does on pre-order. 10 bucks lost for peace of mind...I'll lose 10

[errant dome]

10 dollars in 2025 will almost buy you a burrito. You can eat 1 less burrito... Or can you

[hearty charm]

Where I live it'll get you a taco bell bean burrito with sour cream lol

and a small water

[wild drum]

I've never seen this much excitement for a handheld before. Evidence is how #1118633698179428362 has been flooded with posts

[errant dome]

Between the Odin 2, portal, and now this, ayn is at least 3 out of the last 4 being big hits relative to the space (sorry mini)

[hearty charm]

Well it's the first of 2 dual screen handhelds that aren't a janky mess (sugar) so there's expected to be a mass amount of excitement for these 2 dual screen handhelds

[blissful acorn]

I'm mostly excited to sell off my soon to be obsolete 3ds xl, dsi xl and RP5 tbh lmao

[jaunty hull]

not really a joke to have consumer friendly pricing rather than weaponizing fomo....weird bad take bud.

[gentle notch]

Well both weaponize fomo, ones just better at it

[hearty charm]

Bad take? There is 0 incentive to pre-order something that has a decent chance at failure for a 10 dollar discount

At least ayaneo offers a solid discount that covers more than the tax lol

10 bucks is a joke

[jaunty hull]

exactly. thats a good thing.....

[quick mantle]

Oh yeah pre orders arent limited right?

[jaunty hull]

forcing people to buy becuase of the fear of the price increase is anticonsumer......but guess you fall for it so....

no point in arguing with someone too stupid to understand that.

[gentle notch]

Nope, pretty sure they make these to order, or at least something close to that

[hearty charm]

Forcing people to buy...and I'm the one that's stupid. Pre-order is a choice but since you need to resort to insulting someone in particular to make a point...lol. Good day to you

[jaunty hull]

they generally arent. you arent getting the bennefit of guaranteeing a device since they will make more.

[quick mantle]

Alr

Thanks

[hearty charm]

When companies do IGG they usually limit pre-orders. It depends on where they open up the orders

but I'm the stupid one so...what do I know lol

[quick mantle]

Is ayn customer service generally good?

[jaunty hull]

ayn doesnt do IGG dipshit.

fuck you are stupid loll

[jaunty hull]

depends

[gentle notch]

Bro this is too much vitriol over a preorder discount 😭

[jaunty hull]

what are your standards for good customer service.

[quick mantle]

Similar to retroid?

[hearty charm]

Right? I mean I insulted a companies pre-order discount and someone had to come in and attack me. It's cool lol

[quick mantle]

In terms of customer service

[jaunty hull]

yeah probably along those lines.
I was gonna say in general chinese companies are worse than western companies. but they are decent usually.

but even so... no guarantees how they will treat any arising issues. as we have even seen with retroid a few times almost not fixing issues. and not wanting to give out proper refunds until they got hit with backlash.

[quick mantle]

Alr, im just asking cause of the chance of hinge failure on the thor. Wanted to know if I could expect a replacement and stuff

If it does break

[quick mantle]

:/

[jaunty hull]

tbh. odds are they would have a good response to hinge issues, but also.....theres no incentive to pre-order so unless you are really impatient. its probably best to wait a bit.

[quick mantle]

Alr, ill keep that in mind

Im still debating whether to pre roder or not

When do preorders close?

When it starts shipping?

[jaunty hull]

supposedly mid october IIRC?

[quick mantle]

Might wait for a retro game corps video to really see if i want it

[jaunty hull]

I would even give it a bit of extra time afterwards too.

if you are waiting and not gambling.

[quick mantle]

Yeah

Hearing everything about these hinge issues is making me want to wait

[jaunty hull]

I remember the review units for the rp4pro being fine in reviews. and then the triggers dying a couple weeks later and then having the issue myself 2 weeks in.

luckily they did send out everyone replacement parts eventually...but yeh.

[quick mantle]

Dang

[jaunty hull]

yeah. like. you can pre-order if you really want these devices day 1 and dont mind the gamble if there are any issues and if they will actually solve them.

[quick mantle]

Yeah, think ill just wait then

[jaunty hull]

but they arent "selling out".

[quick mantle]

Does ayn include tariffs in check out?

[jaunty hull]

no clue. not american lol

[quick mantle]

Oh alr

Thats another thing i need to figure out

[ember sail]

I think it’s pretty much, if you can’t handle FOMO then pre order, if you’re ok to take a risk then pre order, if you’re neither it’s best to wait

Me personally I’m willing to be a test pilot

[quick mantle]

Yeah

[quick mantle]

I'm not sure if I am lol

[jaunty hull]

I usually boil it down to.... am I ok gambling this money away?

[ember sail]

For sure, thankfully gaming isn’t my entire world so no biggy if the device is amazing or it sucks

But everyone’s expectations are different
I just hope it rocks

(Hope is not a strategy)

[jaunty hull]

really the big thing is gonna be the hinge.

and the software I guess too.

[ember sail]

Yep, I’ll let you know around December January if it’s ok 😂

[jaunty hull]

since we already know how the chipsets perform.
the battery could be a concern.

[quick mantle]

December January?

Don't they ship mid october

[jaunty hull]

few months of testing.

[quick mantle]

Ohhh

Yeah

Forgot😭

[jaunty hull]

also sometimes shipping takes a while to get out all the units anyways lol

and could be delayed lol

[quick mantle]

Yeah

I'm fine with waiting tbh

[jaunty hull]

I remember it took forever to get the RPC lol

[quick mantle]

Waited a few months to get my steam deck

Back when it was still in the queue phase

[jaunty hull]

first the, tariff announcements with the states caused them to prioritize shipping to the states. almost exclusively for a week or so, then thas like 2 extra weeks of delays on units of specific colours lol.

[quick mantle]

Damn😭

[jaunty hull]

really curious about battery life tho. its 6000MAH. which is smaller than an odin 2 but bigger than the Odin 2 mini. but thats before factoring in Dual screens so....who knows about that too....

could end up being a device that wants to be tethered to the wall.

[ember sail]

It depends what your gaming situation is really

Also don’t forget brightness settings

My steam deck gets played in my recliner basically on power all the time
My retro handhelds just get played on trains and planes

[upper sail]

The hinge components themselves used metal, but not the casing surrounding them.

[upper sail]

Yup, it’s the same sticks that the Pocket Ace and Flip 1S use, so it’s the same ones as the Odin 2 and most of Retroid’s current stuff.

[ember sail]

I would love to know conclusively whether gentle slow opening and closure is better than fast. I presume it is, but don’t have any data

[upper sail]

Wait what the hell are you talking about? They’ve done Indiegogo for literally almost all their handhelds.

[upper sail]

It probably is, but mainly in the same way that “Ben 10 slapping his Omnitrix down instead of simply pressing it like a regular button was the wrong way of doing it”.

[ember sail]

I’ll keep playing my Flip2 alongside my Thor and see who lives the longest

[wispy fjord]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/odin-the-ultimate-gaming-handheld#/

[sacred gorge]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/odin2-the-new-generation-ultimate-gaming-handheld#/
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/odin2-portal-the-ultimate-7-oled-gaming-handheld#/

Cough

[ember sail]

So ayn doesn’t mind IGG then 😂

[upper sail]

Literal only handhelds they’ve ever done outside of IGG was the Odin 2 Mini and now the Thor.

[sacred gorge]

Are we sure they won't with the Thor?

They could just not have set up the page yet

[ember sail]

Pretty sure Nicole said pre orders on the website

[wispy fjord]

All I'm saying is, using invective language to someone who was correct is not the way to go. Idk.

[upper sail]

They already have the page up and ready on their website, it’s just currently marked out of stock for the obvious reason of it not being available.

[wheat creek]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

"fuck you are stupid loll"

[ember sail]

It was unnecessary, plus also very wrong

[wispy fjord]

That is my feeling, yes

[errant dome]

The Odin 2 igg was so good when they announced they'd be delivering early

Good times

[wheat creek]

incredibly egregrious because absolutely wrong

[hearty charm]

Gee 🤣

[upper sail]

For christs sake, the freaking Loki was on Indiegogo, only for them to take the page down and refund people for almost all but a few of the options due to the issues with development.

[hearty charm]

I wasn't going to dig that deep to prove myself correct. I just blocked the guy and moved on lol.

[wheat creek]

I think if you're going to have such strong emotional opinions enough to insult someone over you should probably be correct with the baseline facts

[upper sail]

No kidding.

[ember sail]

alrighty, time to do some work - have a good day/night everyone

[kind saffron]

Lol. Owned into oblivion

[jade pulsar]

What is wrong with some people ? You don't need to be an ass just answer the question even though the dude had no clue what they were talking about .

[kind saffron]

Glad I went back up and read that

[dark aurora]

Played gba on my pocket s, it looked fantastic. Just need the right filter. Scanlines and grid 3x work very well and make some of the games look great.

[hearty charm]

But back on topic I am super excited for this device just like I am for the pocket ds. Anybody else getting both then ditching the one they like less? lol

[dark aurora]

Getting both ditching neither

[wheat creek]

it's so hard to justify more than 1 android gaming device

i'm saying this as i own uh

[sacred gorge]

I'm thinking about doing that

[wheat creek]

at least 4

[upper sail]

They’re not even new or clueless, they’ve been around for other Ayn stuff. I don’t get how they managed to say something this utterly wrong.

[dark aurora]

Pocket ds mostly for at home, thor if im taking it on the go and reasonably can just pocket it

[hearty charm]

Too true. But I'm getting both. If I keep both the thor is for the road, ds for home

[kind saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-mac-smh-gif-27571314

[wheat creek]

getting DS and looking at thor reviews

[upper sail]

That’s pretty much my plan as well. Get the Pocket DS now, get the Thor later down the line once we know if the hinge is good.

[hearty charm]

As sad as it is I'm excited just to have both with beautiful screens for streaming from my jellyfin server and not having to prop it up or hold it haha

[wheat creek]

maybe pick one up from #1118633698179428362 for discount price

[kind saffron]

Thor no brainer. Honestly not really even considering much else besides maybe a 1s DS or small windows handheld

[dark aurora]

I want to sell my pocket s for the konker elite, but i broke two of the clips trying to get into it since the battery was swollen.

[kind saffron]

Always wanted steam to make a mini deck. Looks like some others may take up the mantel

[wheat creek]

i got an ayaneo slide and it make me want the 1s KB instead

[dark aurora]

But i guess ill just replace the thermals and undervolt it, i like the design anyway.

[hearty charm]

Solid plan. The pocket ds, for those interested, is such a discount on igg that you'll be sad if you want one and don't pre-order. Thor I can wait to see how it fairs. But...hopefully Russ has his review out on the pocket ds before they ship lol

[kind saffron]

And my Loki's battery is spicy pillowed

[wheat creek]

I hope android dual screens allow using the 2nd screen just for on screen keyboard

[kind saffron]

I do have a onexplayer G1. Having a keyboard is really nice

Kinda a tossup between G1 and 1s DS

[dark aurora]

Aya runs sales pretty often and soon after release on their site. If you wait around for it youll definitely see what you want at a discounted price.

[kind saffron]

If people say the secondary makes an ok touch keyboard I'll consider it

[upper sail]

Ouch, and that’s the handheld they flat out erased from everywhere.

[dark aurora]

Same way ayn does that after a certain point its just perpetually on sale at eb price.

[kind saffron]

They replaced spicy pillows with spicy pillows then sold the design to Brazil. Lol

Think(hope) they're done with x86 after that

It sucks too. Cause besides the battery they were an amazing small x86 device

[hearty charm]

I struggle to want to keep an x86, just seems like work compared to android for some reason. Been debating posting my f1 pro I just got for sale lol

[gentle notch]

X86 handhelds feal like a necessary evil to me, if I can play something on an android handheld instead I'll do that every single time

[kind saffron]

I mean you need batocera or steam os

Windows is just the fucking worst. Maybe the new Xbox will fix that. But I doubt it

It's why I still recommend the steam deck

At least to people who don't fucking love configuring shit

[hearty charm]

i LOVE setting up android devices. It's like the game to me, but windows...work 🙁

[sacred gorge]

Same

[jaunty hull]

It feels close to being usable ish....

[jaunty hull]

I really hope it does and they push the new build to other handhelds and just make it more publically available. but man microsoft are kicking and screaming the whole way with this it feels like lol

other than the fact that valve can eat the cost of their own handhelds, the fact that their OS is so well optimized comparatively to windows is huge.

[wispy fjord]

God, I just wish I could get Steam FFX/X-2 to run on one of these things without streaming from my Deck.

Or if someone knows how to fuck with Steam Link here, ig

[jaunty hull]

IIRC, the vita/secret versions should be fine. but if you mean for save compatibility....yeah

hell....even the ps2 versions should be fine if you dont mind 4:3. and looking a bit older. but it should save some battery life.

[upper sail]

Plus the widescreen cheats for the PS2 versions are actually pretty great. I remember even the UI would somehow adjust properly.

[quick mantle]

Same lol

[wispy fjord]

Those versions don't have the boosts. And PS2 doesn't have the extra sphere grid/bosses, or the dresspheres.

Vita3k on Android also doesn't run X-2 well.

[kind saffron]

It's just not fun. It should be fun

Emudeck is fun.

Android can be fun

Sometimes it's just a giant ass pain

Not usually due to the setup and config. Luckily most of that is just transferring an SD card. But more so finding a button to remap

[hearty charm]

I tried retrobat. My frustration, first, is not being able to just easily set my hotkeys. Like you shouldn't have to edit a file for them just to have it overwritten later

[kind saffron]

Yeah. Getting to the meat of what's physically on an android handheld can be pain

[errant dome]

I just go raw retroarch on Windows. Did a directory scan so everything is added there

Having said that I almost never emulate on pc

[kind saffron]

Makers take all kinds of shortcuts to make controllers map. Some root it. Some lock it back down. Etc. In that sense Linux is way easier

The only thing annoying about batocera and steam is they're both immutable. So every update you have to reconfigure stuff and regain root. I have a script that does everything I want. But it was painful to figure out things the first time

I rarely emulate on my deck but it's nice when it's there

I would emulate like crazy on a small x86 tho. If it's pocketable I'd do it

Ruh roh

Please don't fuck this up ayn

Please please please

Imagine a hinge that just works

Kinda funny when you see people brag about being in the top 10 of an IGG perk

I'm like, your chance of getting broken garbage is just that much higher 😆

[jaunty hull]

you talking the extras from the international versions? its available you just need the PAL versions.

[jaunty hull]

Ive only had 1 nintendo hinge go bad. but Ive seen many go bad on others....hinge is cursed.

[wispy fjord]

Psychic was not in the PAL versions.

Among other things, lol. I don't have access to the PAL versions.

[river salmon]

I've never had a laptop hinge break.

[jaunty hull]

fair enough lol

[river salmon]

They could make a proprietary wireless technology and just skip the ribbon cable in the hinge altogether

[jaunty hull]

oh wait with laptop hinges? that goes up from 1 to 2

the hinge was too tight and actually snapped part of the chasis, and it would protrude out the bottom lol.

[wispy fjord]

Like, I know a lot of people have Opinions about X-2, but I fuckin' love it, and need HD remaster versions to have all the content. So if I'm gonna do HD remaster versions, I'd like to have the speed up/super mode/etc boosts forwhen I replay.

[jaunty hull]

good gameplay so I wont judge too harshly lol.

sometimes a game doesnt have to have a great story if it just plays well lol

[vernal meadow]

Why they're not all ripping off Powkiddy I'll never understand. Never recall seeing a broken V90 or V90s hinge, and for all the issues with the X18/X18s, the hinge wasn't one of them.

[wispy fjord]

I enjoyed the story for what it was telling and the wider implications of everything, too, but I definitely know that's not common.

[river salmon]

What's the hinge design that Zephyrus uses? Where it sort of sits on the top screen when folded out

[river salmon]

Have you seen someone who has owned a V90/V90S for more than a month

[wispy fjord]

The + Last Mission marks it as Japanese only, I'm pretty sure.

Final Fantasy X-2 International + Last Mission was a Japan-exclusive release, and adds new dresspheres, a Creature Creator system, a Fiend Arena, and a new dungeon: Iutycyr Tower.

[jaunty hull]

English patched.

[junior relic]

Oh you’re planting dangerous ideas in my head

[left kiln]

FFX-2 gets so much unnecessary hate. I love that game as well.

[wispy fjord]

You. You have great opinions.

[left kiln]

As do you 😊 That game has probably the best battle system in the entire series imo

[wispy fjord]

It's super fun. I adore just farming AP.

Also the Creature Creator/arena stuff is weirdly fun.

[jaunty hull]

true. that hate should go towards more deserving titles in the franchise history 😛

[sacred gorge]

Yoo, I love X-2 a lot

[jaunty hull]

the best part is not specifying which title I could possibly mean lol

[sacred gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-ff-x-2-ffx-2-x2-gif-844754862564652722

[wispy fjord]

My people!

[jaunty hull]

I think we are in the era of X-2 appreciation where ppl overlook the problems and see that its actually pretty good.

I remember when that happened for 8 a while back lol.

[sacred gorge]

I mean

I like X-2 a lot in part cause I played it before X

I didn't have X for a good while

on the PS2

[scarlet ferry]

Although it's amazing, I hoped for a followup to X (at the time) amazing ctb

[rugged orchid]

Has it been confirmed that you can turn off the bottom screen?

[ornate dune]

Yep

[rugged orchid]

Also, how long do you think can I still cancel the preorder? The device is supposed to ship in mid October, right?

[ornate dune]

Yeah, aslong as it hasn't shipped then you'd probably be able to cancel it pretty easily. If not directly on the site, then just sending AYN an email

[low lake]

just basic tribalism ... pretty normal on this day and age

[low lake]

i did and havent bough MSi ever since

[left kiln]

The Loki was on the website not IGG

Odin 1, Odin 2 and Odin Portal were done on IGG
Odin 2 Mini, Thor and Loki were/are done through their website

[whole jasper]

how would old retro systems scale on bottom screen?

[upper sail]

…Is this just a “reminder” post from someone letting others that “may or may not be aware” know? If not and it’s from someone who’s actually surprised, I don’t get how they didn’t already realize how big it would be just from knowing it’s a 31:27 bottom screen and 16:9 top screen.

[crude tulip]

just watch content on the RP Classic/Mini V2 or Pocket DMG if you are interested in that

[upper sail]

Pretty much.

[elder wing]

Take the RP Classic or Ayaneo DMG's screen and you have your results. Great for GB, GBC, WS, GG, NGP, SNES (8:7), NES, vertical arcade, solid 4:3 content, not good for 16:9

[left kiln]

Not everyone will know and this is simply a visual representation for them. Im not sure what the issue with it is?

[whole jasper]

yeah, I was wondering if I could use the bottom screen for older system and upper for modern 16:9 gaming

[elder wing]

Yep

[upper sail]

No issues on my end, mostly just curious since it’s the same as what it would be for using the Retroid Dual Screen on the Mini V2.

Well, except for the fact that this is gonna be a 6” screen instead of a 5.5” screen.

[left kiln]

Ive never watched a video on the RP mini amd 31:27 is an unusual aspect ratio so something visual like that is actually helpful

[elder wing]

Like, having a dual screen clamshell like this lends itself to a lot of versatility in games and multitasking like the bottom being a media player while the top is your game

The more i just see people calling this pointless or redundant (which isn't many, but still), the more i just look

Confused

[upper sail]

Wait, people are calling it pointless? Why?

[elder wing]

It's very rogue comments here and there, but it kinda boils down to DS purist, not seeing the point of dual screen, or pointing at Android holding it back as a flaw

[upper sail]

Like, even ignoring the part where “playing DS/3DS on a single horizontal screen was not great for most games” was the main reason people usually recommended playing on original hardware instead, this still seems at least more useful than otherwise?

[left kiln]

People hate options 🤣

[upper sail]

…Ok now that you say that, it makes way more sense.

[jaunty hull]

exact same as everything already does on the pocket dmg and rpc.

[left kiln]

They should just scale the same as the image right? Since they're 4:3 as well?

Well, the main ones anyway. I know there are other weird ratios somewhere

[jaunty hull]

uh no....not all retro consoles are 4:3

[left kiln]

Yeah I added a bit lol

[jaunty hull]

tbh tho. unless you want to use the top screen for 16:9 videos. while playing games on the bottom screen, I'd prob stick to playing everything top scren otherwise. gonna be a bigger picture.

[left kiln]

NES, SNES, Genesys, Master System, PS1, N64, PS2, GC

I would just play everything on the top screen as well tbh

[jaunty hull]

yeah 95% of the time.

might just use the top screen if I wanna watch a stream or video while playing games if I really wanted to. but yeh. probably not gonna do that much .

tho playing games on that bottom screen will look good.

[low lake]

reddit beuing reddit 😄

but at least nicely vizualized

[fringe temple]

reddit people being whiny wankers? i am shocked

[vernal cloak]

I can see myself using one of the screens to keep a guide open rather than watching videos often, but if there's the option to turn off one of the screens to save on battery, that'd be even better.

[vapid rain]

This is something that doesn't really impact me because I'm getting the Pro model anyways even if Black ended up being the color I like most (it's not), but the extra color options being locked to Pro and Max feels even more silly now that we have a budget Lite option to pick from.
Because the base 8gen2 model also doesn't get the other color options.

Makes it to where if you only wanted the Lite model for DS and 3DS, but wanted it in a different color, you have to still go up to Pro and pay $100 extra x)

[fading anvil]

Alright now I’m back on the fence

[latent roost]

For OLED i always stick to black

[fading anvil]

I’ve been reading that the 8g2 and 865 base models shouldn’t have a significant difference in battery life, which is my main concern between the two rn

[latent roost]

Bottom screen different size and aspect ratio you wont be able to tell

[fringe temple]

no big downside to just waiting on retail prices and seeing how the QC shapes up

[sacred gorge]

?? What was this random ping for

[ornate dune]

I think it'll come down to whether you want to fast-forward in 3DS RPGs or not. They'll both largely upscale 3DS to 4x and play at full speed, but the 8Gen2 will probably let you speed up more.

[vapid rain]

Perfectly fair and will be especially nice for the bottom screen, but I think the top screen is less impacted by the color option which is where I'll be play every other system that's not DS and 3DS since it's enitrely just the screen up there

It's not like the RP5 or the Portal where the color contrast with the OLED screen is noticeable

I generally like getting more fun colors even on non-clamshells

[latent roost]

Unless they start removing SKUs

Anbernic no longer stocks 8gb RG477M

So forced to buy the higher tier

[fringe temple]

eh true, though no need to invent our own misery yet 😄

[latent roost]

That's true I guess

I do think Black just seems much more sleeker with glass design

Certain devices look good with color options like RP Classic

[fading anvil]

If so, I don’t really have a use for the 8g2 then bc I play at normal speeds most of the time

I’m just confused bc there’s a lot of vague info being thrown around and I’m not sure what I can believe

[ornate dune]

The 865 will be fine for 3DS. Check any review of the RP5/Mini.

[fading anvil]

I know that for sure, I’ve had a mini before lol

[ornate dune]

8Gen2 for only $50 more (~£38 for me) is just such a steal though. I'd be interested in the 865 if it was cheaper.

[latent roost]

All this talk about the best way to play 3DS

Thought id share the way I play dont think it can be topped

Save states, 1080p up res while still maintaining the stereo 3D graphics

[gentle notch]

What glasses are those

[latent roost]

Rokid Max

But any XR Glasses will work

Dolphin and Azahar support stereo 3D natively

[sacred gorge]

But why

[river salmon]

What about games that require touch screen

[sacred gorge]

Speaking as someone who turns off the 3d on my new 3dsxl and swapped to a new 2ds XL later

[river salmon]

There needs to be a case study on people who unironically use the 3D effect on every game. 3D movies aren't even a thing anymore these days. It's such a fad

[sacred gorge]

Like the 3d effect can be nice but most of the time it's just a slight visual effect

The only time I've enjoyed turning it on was when the Virtual Boy homebrew emulator came out lol

[latent roost]

Honestly when playing Mario 3D Land or Links Between World without 3D effect those games just not the same to me

Even on Dolphin emulator playing 1080 Snowviarding in stereo 3D just feels good

[latent roost]

For me stereo 3D is way better on games than movies

An example in Mario 3D Land there is a section camera pans into a birds eye view angle and Mario falls down platforms below. The stereo 3D effect looks incredible here. Even when I turned of 3D to compare it looked.boring

Eben 2D sprite games like Streets of Rage 2 3D looks so cool in 3D

I played RE4 on Dolphin woth 3D it was so much nicer

The low res 3DS screen woth cross talk doesnt compare to high resolution stereo 3D to XR glasses

[red cairn]

Real question: why the fuck do people care? If you need the extract ratio then get a dsi xl. The screens are going to be way bigger than the ds or 3ds. You otherwise want 16:9 for wide 3d game compatibility on an android device. I don't to steam, or play wide screen systems like psp on a dinky screen

[river salmon]

So, what about touch screen @latent roost

[latent roost]

For most 3DS games touchscreen not used much but what I do is have the touchscreen on the Ally screen

[river salmon]

Can you still see the Ally with glasses on?

[latent roost]

Yes move eyes down

And you can duplicate bottom screen as a small box on glasses too

[red cairn]

Now that i have glasses that fix my depth perception i have to say i appreciate the 3ds a lot more

[river salmon]

Idk what 3DS games people are playing that doesn't need touch screen lol. Luigi mansion, any mario platformer, Zelda, they all need quick access for powerups or items

[latent roost]

Mario 3D Lands doesn't use touch screen other than tapping and item

[river salmon]

Idk, seems like a dog setup for 3D enthusiast, not 3DS games enthusiasts

[river salmon]

So it uses touch screen then

[latent roost]

Yes and the bottom screen is visible

With the glasses the surrounding is still visible

Its not like VR

You can easily tap rhe screen if yoy want to swap powerups

I wouldn't say it breaks the game at all

[red cairn]

The flexibility in android makes up for weirdness about touching the screens to activate them. Typing on the bottom to keep the top free is going to be 👌👌👌👌👌

[latent roost]

Would you say this would break the game for you the inventory to change oowerups taking half second to look down and press the mushroom button

[river salmon]

It's just not the 3DS experience though.

[river salmon]

Yes

[latent roost]

No id say way better

As a person who owns both 3DS XL and regular 3DS

And this setup

So I can compare all setups

[river salmon]

Looks like hot ass 🙂

Most people hate wearing stuff on their head

[latent roost]

To each their own i guess

I use it first 2D games too

Not just 3D

Massive screen on a light pair of.glasses

This isnt like a VR headset heavy and awkward to setup

[river salmon]

I don't like playing with glasses period. I think that's my main issue

[latent roost]

Plug and play USB c out

[river salmon]

I'd still look like a clown

[latent roost]

Lol I wouldn't play this outside

I dont think i even play handhelds outside

[sacred gorge]

I mean Nintendo made the 2DS in part because most people didn't care about the 3d effect in the first place

[latent roost]

I agree but the 3DS screen dont compare to XR high resolution screens woth no cross talk

[river salmon]

2DS is my favorite form factory, but the screens are very dim unfortunately, and no nipple button

[latent roost]

Some of those games were designed around stereo 3D

Like Mario and Zelda

[sacred gorge]

New 2DS XL is my favorite of the 3ds line

[red cairn]

This just seems like a lot of work to play 3ds games. My main thing stopping me from finishing games is needing to do more than grab a handheld and waking it up from sleep mode

[latent roost]

The way rhe camera pans etc

[latent roost]

Luckily that is the case with Ally setup

[river salmon]

I imagine something Mario & Luigi Dream Team would be a really horrible experience on anything that doesnt display the screen near each other and had touch functionality.

[latent roost]

Can put it on sleep or hibernate

Glasses dont need charging its just an external display

Used power from Ally

[latent roost]

Yes anything that uses both screens extensively is a no go

[river salmon]

This too. It needs to be one device. It's why the "second screen add-on" is a jank turd imo

[latent roost]

Id say 2nd screen is worse to setup as it needs to be strapped on

Glasses is plug and play

[river salmon]

Glasses need to be stored somewhere and plugged in

[red cairn]

And make sure your vr headset and ally are fully charged. And going to your spot with all your crap set up. And sitting up right on the couch or a chair to use this. With a clamshell, especially 6 inches, i can just slot that in my pocket, go do stuff and have it with me wherever i sit down. Or lay down or whatever

[latent roost]

You dont need to strap it on eben a ph9ne with a controller attachment more difficult

[latent roost]

Did you not read, the thing is not a vr headset and it doenst require charging.

Only the Ally does

[river salmon]

This is true but doesnt change much in the argument

It's still an additional accessory.

[latent roost]

Thr glasses allows you to even lie down in bed and play

[red cairn]

I'll cross that off the list. But it requires more changing than an android device that will probably get 10 hours of use and last for weeks in sleep mode

[river salmon]

I have never comfortably laid on my side with glasses on

[latent roost]

Withon my Ally X, Citra emulation only.b7rns less tha. 8w

[river salmon]

Do android devices not support glasses?

[latent roost]

Because Ally X comes with 80eh

So probably around 10 hours on Ally.X

[red cairn]

Let me go to my basement and carry a bundle of wires and devices up so I can go sit down and relax while also cutting out my entire vision

[latent roost]

1 wire

The glasses to Ally thats all

What other wires you are talking about?

You said the glasses needs charg8ng

Now you saying bundle.or.wires

Im confused

Why spread incorrect information

Its cool to say yeah its not for you

But you making things up now lol

[red cairn]

I'm also going to complain about comfort factor. One of the reasons the Duo or attaching a second screen sucks is cause then the bottom screen is so big you can barely use it with your thumbs. A real ds sized device will a lot more comfortable than reaching across the screen of a rog ally. Or using an rog ally period cause its a massive brick

[red cairn]

Who gives a shit

[latent roost]

Bundle or wires

1 wire isnt a bindle

[red cairn]

One wire thats 6ft is more wire than 3 1ft long ones

[latent roost]

Wouldn't the glasses be technically more comfortable

No neck strain

Or looking at small screens

Play in bed on couch any position you want

[red cairn]

I'm comparing it to literally folding a clamshell into my pocket and carrying it. You are talking about grabbing massive rog ally and vr glasses with a cable long enough to not snag on something when used with a pc

[latent roost]

The attaching isnt comparable to controller attachments

[river salmon]

Kalo, I think what we are trying to say is:

Your setup looks great for experiencing the 3D effect. SOME 3DS games seem to play amazingly. But.

It is not the best way to experience the 3DS library. Most people do not care about the 3D gimmick.

This is why Thor is so much better. It is pocketable like the 3DS. It has screen layout like the 3DS. It has button layout like 3DS. It folds (yes people want to fold and unfold their 3DS).

I do not buy an OLED TV and go "GUYS, THIS IS THE BEST GBA EXPERIENCE". It's just not. The best GBA experience are things like RG34XXSP or something with a 3:2 screen, and a small, handheld form factor.

Hopefully that helps diffuse this.

[latent roost]

Because no clamping required

[red cairn]

There is nothing about this thats comparable on a convenience level

[latent roost]

Yes agree with that Thor is more portable

[river salmon]

My goal was for you to agree Thor is a better 3DS experience

[gentle notch]

Why

[latent roost]

Depends on the game

Something like Mario 3D Land with no 3D effect is terrible

[river salmon]

Cuz I think kalo is putting way too much value on the 3D effect

[latent roost]

Sone games are made for the 3D gimmick

[river salmon]

Said no one ever, except kalo

Just watch the shadow of Mario

[red cairn]

I sit down and play a game. Then i fold it up and put it in my pocket and then I make dinner and do dishes. Then I pull it out again and use it before taking my dog for a walk. Then come back relax on the couch or bed before going down stairs to use my main tv. I dont want to use this rog ally and glasses is what I mean

It makes sense as to why someone would use it

[latent roost]

And thats fine and I do the same with the Ally and Glasses

[red cairn]

Gif of man with a whole snes in his back pocket

[latent roost]

Again the 3D effect for me personally imrpoves the experience

[river salmon]

Nooo don't fold your Ally

[dark flame]

I have a pair of those kind of glasses, might try this never thought of doing that, didn't realize dolphin had 3d support

[latent roost]

But I can see why some wont care for it

[latent roost]

Sorry I dont go outside with my handbelds

I meant just put it to aside lol

I have other things to do outside rather than play games

[latent roost]

Waverace and 1080 is insane woth 3D effect

[red cairn]

I'd take a version of the thor with 3d but thats it. And only if its not at the cost of the 120hz olee

[latent roost]

I guess im the only one who appreciates the stereo 3D visual effect on Mario 3D Land ajd Zelda. Nintendo definitely had the 3D in mind when producing those games. Its obvious with the camera angles and panning

[red cairn]

I appreciate a lot of things that I dont need

I'd also probably not play those. Idk

[latent roost]

To be fair I got those XR glasses for free so I guess not having to pay for it helps.with the enjoyment

[red cairn]

I still have a 3ds if its that important. But I played through those games the first time with it off cause it gave me a headache

[latent roost]

I cancelled.my.order and got a refund but still received the glasses

[red cairn]

Damn lucky

[latent roost]

The glasses give.less headache as no cross talk

[past trail]

The vast majority of 3ds games are not made with that in mind and even the ones that are, are still largely playable without it

[remote moon]

Have ayn responded to anything re the similarity with the flip 2 hinge?

[river salmon]

3D Land is the only title I can think of that was designed with 3D in mind. There are literally screens that are like "turn on the 3D!!!"

[latent roost]

Yes but what I saying is with the stereo 3D effect these games look better and feel more immersive

[frosty vine]

dude- shows off cool setup
chat - "Lets all find a million ways to shit on it"

[latent roost]

Even games that are not designed around it

[river salmon]

It's true

[latent roost]

For example Resident Evil 4 on Dolphin looks great in stereo 3D

[past trail]

My issue was not with his setup but more so the implication that that's somehow a convenient way to play 3ds games. I also never attacked him or took it that seriously. It's just a discussion

[river salmon]

It's like when people post a retroid pocket 5 and are like, this is the best way to play n64. Like no it isnt lol.

[latent roost]

It is for games designed around the 3D effect

Not every game of course

[past trail]

Fair enough

[frosty vine]

this has been going on for like 20 min before you jumped in

[past trail]

Oh lol my bad

Discord conversations are a mess sometimes

[latent roost]

Thats cause someone started making things up, VR head set when it isnt, or too many wires when its 1 wire, you need to charge so many things er no the glasses dont require charging etc

Those false statements were across different posts which i simply addressed

[frosty vine]

I liked the 3d on the 'new' units, and this is something i'd considered purchasing for flights & stuff, it's definitely more convenient & less fiddly than the RDS, and it works on android devices with 1 cable

[past trail]

Fairs

Guys check out my handheld tower

Can't wait for the Thor to replace the dusty old DSi

[latent roost]

Id say DSi still is better than a Thor in someways though

More portable

Less input lag

You still can maintain save states with a flash cart

[devout forge]

the thor will have a 120hz display, I doubt it'll have any significant input delay

[latent roost]

Native hardware has less input lag

[river salmon]

I can't wait for moba pad on switch 2. Without adapters

[latent roost]

Even vs 120hz

In fact Russ proved that in his video for RG477m

[devout forge]

It is literally proven that with emulation runahead techniques you are actually able to produce less input delay than original hardware

[latent roost]

120hz still had more input lag than original hardware according to his tests

Does DS has runahead support

I know on dreamcast retroarch doesn't allow it

[errant dome]

while its technically better in terms of input lag, im also not speedrunning any platformers on 3ds so its not realistically something i worry about in the slightest. ive played 3d land on a surface duo with a bluetooth telescopic controller, i think ill be fine

[latent roost]

Which core allows runahead?

[devout forge]

retroarch has it, but you need immense power to run games at a 2 frame runahead. My snapdragon 870 is barely able to emulate ds games if I try to maximize it

[latent roost]

Dreamcast doesnt have runahead

Are you sure DS does

Not all cores support runahead

[past trail]

I mean I'm not gonna incinerate my Dsi. It will still exist but I'm willing to bear some of the downsides of emulation for the ability to play my retro games on modern displays with modern controls and UI that isn't slow and cumbersome

I also don't really notice input lag as long as it's not super egregious. Especially for single player games

[devout forge]

yes it does, I've tried it before

[errant dome]

i notice input lag in fighting games. like i play marvel 3 and if the tv has too much lag i can't play. but thats not what im doing with 3ds games lol

[latent roost]

Wild the SDG2 be powerful enough ti have rinahead enabled at 1 frame?

[devout forge]

it should be able to do 2 frame runahead

[past trail]

That would be sick

[devout forge]

although in retroarch you can probably only increase the resolution by 2x

[latent roost]

Honestly i never noticed inout lag at all and I just adjusted. Played a 2D Mario on my Android handheld. And played decent enough. But it was only when I played it on another handheld that was Linux with runahead enabled I realised the difference lol. Suddenly I was speed running through levels and it felt easier

Lesson learned is just cause you cant tell doesnt mean it wont make a difference

[past trail]

Fairs but fighting games is probably the genre I play the least so that's not a worry for me either way

[latent roost]

Only turn based RPG it wont make a difference

[devout forge]

I honestly never felt the need to really play ds games on anything other than my real ds but I've tried drastic before on my 120hz phone and the input delay was not noticable at all. At this is coming from someone who does tend to be picky about latency and all that.

[past trail]

I don't notice any difference between original hardware and anything I played on my RP5. I also don't think playing on original hardware made me any better at any game I play

[latent roost]

On my phone the inout lag difference wasn't huge

But i played drastic one my Switch with Android partition

The lag was awful I noticed instantly

Like on castlevania when jumping and changing direction and attacking at the same time

[past trail]

DS emulation on Switch isn't the greatest though

It's better on a halfway decent Android handheld

[latent roost]

My phone was 120hz

[devout forge]

It is important that you set your phone to be in 120hz mode. Made that mistake before.

input delay was instantly fixed

[latent roost]

Well seeing Russ tests on RG477M

It showed 120hz removed 1/3 of input lag from a 60hz screen

Not as quick as original hardware but much closer

[past trail]

I believe that but I'm glad I'm not the type of person who notices this stuff. I'm blissfully ignorant

[devout forge]

Runahead literally fixes any of that

[whole jasper]

so the bottom screen has the same aspect ratio as the RPC one? (or rather, is the same screen?)

[crude tulip]

yes

[whole jasper]

ok, nice!

[crude tulip]

the LG Wing bottom screen is the only small-ish OLED panel we have right now, aside from maybe even more niche stuff like the OLED we mod into Gameboy Colors 😂

[whole jasper]

I want the Thor for being able to play both square and rectangle aspect ratios independently, as to have minimal black borders

I don't very much care for watching media content while gaming or DS and 3DS emulation

[errant dome]

im hoping we eventually start seeing this phones oled screen. "4.02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuP-MB_UWOE

[frosty vine]

if that wasn't g99 & actually listed the resolution somewhere i'd be all over it

[errant dome]

i couldnt find reliable specs for the screen size so used an image with a full screen image of the device

pink is 4:3 and yellow 1:1

[sacred gorge]

?

[frosty vine]

so.. grey is this screen?

[errant dome]

yeah

[frosty vine]

i'm not convinced it's not just the lg wing display again

[errant dome]

lol maybe. but the size is 4.02 vs 3.92.... OR we cant trust some youtuber giving out screen specs

[sacred gorge]

hmm

[frosty vine]

probably the latter lol

[errant dome]

the site also says 4.02 https://www.ikkoaudio.com/products/mind-one-phone?srsltid=AfmBOooogvCLqXfAudlgHS0VmM0kWxmJreCjlwsqJqFekBMinQGIFyNC

sorry youtuber

[frosty vine]

it's got the rounded corners

[sacred gorge]

what's the lg wing screen aspect ratio... sideways?

[frosty vine]

27:31

[sacred gorge]

hmm

[frosty vine]

i do love that the keyboard case has a hi-fi dac built in..

[errant dome]

oh found the resolution

1240x1080

[frosty vine]

lol

lg wing

[errant dome]

1.15:1

yep

that screen will live forever

[frosty vine]

yah, cool alternative to the litephone tho

[errant dome]

theyre probably counting the bezel in their 4.02

[frosty vine]

mhm

[errant dome]

i guess the only way to "improve" it for the thor 2 in terms of screens is make the top screen the portal screen as its 1 inch larger and 800 peak brightness vs 650. would of course be a bigger device but you could squeeze in some offset on the sticks and dpad/buttons

[gilded pecan]

needs more knuckles

[gilded pecan]

Thor Portal: 7 inch top, mortgage screen bottom

I bet we see it in less than 12 months

manifesting

[icy atlas]

The only possible way they could make a followup worse is making the thing even bigger

[latent roost]

Id love to see a Thor without the 2nd screen. 200 dollars for SD865 and 250 for SDG2

[wispy fjord]

Isn't that just a Retroid Flip 2?

For the SD865, lol

[latent roost]

This way you can have inset D Pad

[latent roost]

No because you get a bigger screen thats 120hz

And SDG2 model

There are many like me not interested in the 2nd screen but want the 6inch 120hz screen in a pocketable clamshell formfactor

[gilded pecan]

just get the Thor and turn off the second screen man

this is the best it's going to get in a while

[latent roost]

Yeah thats what in going to do but would have proffered no second screen and cheaper price as well as inset D Pad and right stick

[jaunty hull]

buddy, you arent playing competitive cod on a dsi...lol

[latent roost]

As mentioned before runahead solves the issue

[wispy fjord]

Ftr, I'm copying this to my clipboard for anyone going forward asking about dual screen emulators for devices like this:

• Azahar main releases support dual screen
• MelonDS Nightly fork supports dual screen
• Cemu experimental fork supports dual screen, though its implementation atm is very confused
• PPSSPP too while we're at it

Anyone else can take it too

[jaunty hull]

main release has it? I thought it was a specific fork that had it. but its already implemented in main now? cool.

[wispy fjord]

Yep, it is indeed implemented in main now!

Someone PR'd it, got it working, it's all good

[jaunty hull]

how is screen resizing and swapping in Azahar main?

[viral canyon]

By the way, I contacted Russ and asked him to test out some styluses when he reviews the Thor. He said he'll be trying out a few and see how they work

[jaunty hull]

good idea. I was gonna do the same personally lol.

[wispy fjord]

I don't have a dual screen device myself to test it, but nobody who has messed with it so far has mentioned issues.

[sacred gorge]

has anyone tried nooDS

I prefer it over melon usually

[viral canyon]

I wonder when we'll see the first DS handheld with built-in stylus

[jaunty hull]

the powered universal styluses for capacitive screens seem worth looking into so we dont need to use those garbage rubber tip ones.

worst case scenario, those plastic disc bottom ones might be the way to go if the powered styluses arent great.

[wispy fjord]

What is nooDS

[jaunty hull]

yeah, that would be nice, they could go with something like the motorola g stylus uses.

[sacred gorge]

it's a DS emulator

[strange pine]

As long as it has raw save support, I'll give it a try

[sacred gorge]

https://github.com/Hydr8gon/NooDS

[frosty vine]

does it do <2x scaling?

[sacred gorge]

yes

[dry summit]

so anyone paying extra 50$ or 100$ for more than the lite one and why?

[wispy fjord]

Colors

[jaunty hull]

More efficient chipset battery wise, more high end capabilities, and I got the spare funds

[gentle notch]

I don't trust the non transparent colors and all the advantages of having a better chip

And it's only $50 more so feel like I might as well

[sacred gorge]

I'm probably gonna get a Black Max model

[jaunty hull]

100 more from the light model. Base 8g2 is still black only

[sacred gorge]

weird that there is no 512 gb model

[gentle notch]

Oh didn't realize that, well guess I'm getting the 12gb model then

[elder wing]

8 gen 2 and colors

[frosty vine]

max for better switch emulation, more headroom for winlator, higher texture settings in high-end android games, prefetching larger texture packs for PS2/GC, more headroom for running apps dual-screen, maybe some advantages with PS3 emulation in the future, won't need to buy another sd card, future proof enough for me to tap out for a good long while

[elder wing]

I like the rainbow

[errant dome]

i think the transparent purple is going to look real sharp with the glass front

purp gang

[jaunty hull]

The funny thing is...the rabbit hole I went down with pricing it's like....easy to upgrade multiple times bcz it's only 50 more from lite to base, then only 50 for base to pro. Lol

And if I'm already getting pro....why not just go max lol

[dry summit]

i am digging the rainbow but people are saying the purple since plastic

[gentle notch]

Yeah I get that lol, especially since it's around the same price as an SD card

[jaunty hull]

Funny how tiered pricing does that tho lol

Only 50 to 80 more sounds good. But if you look at lite vs max. 250 vs 430

[gentle notch]

Yeah, and they also skimped on storage on the pro model to make the max more appealing

[dry summit]

also anyone in the states...and be prepared for the tariff? thinking i should pre-order and cancel depend on taco news

[gentle notch]

I'm probably just going to wait till the end of September to preorder, we should have a better idea of how the tariffs will affect it by then

[errant dome]

the odin 2 had a pro max difference of 256 to 512 for 60 more, the portal of the same class is 512 and 1tb for 100 more, and now the thor is 256 to 1tb for 80 more. it seems inline for their pricing and even a "deal" compared to their last release

[kind saffron]

I'll probably yolo it. I'm not going with the top model anyway

[errant dome]

a 1tb sd card will run you anywhere from 62 to 90 dollars depending on brand

[kind saffron]

Tarrifs could be up down and sideways for the next 3.5 years...

[gentle notch]

Sure, but for the portal you didn't have to buy the max model to get 512 gb of storage, that's not money saved if you never had to buy it in the first place

[errant dome]

the way the government is being understaffed right now, combined with almost daily changes, i doubt the post office will be ready for the tariffs and de minimis removal. that could mean they dont charge us right away or they charge us nonsensical amounts because theyre as confused as we are

[kind saffron]

Who isn't Rollin deep in SD cards anyway

[sacred gorge]

considering I almost always buy a $70-90 sd card for 1tb. might as well just get a 1tb from the start

[errant dome]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[kind saffron]

If you never sell anything that makes sense

My SD cards have seen the inside of so many handhelds