AYN Odin 3

[unborn estuary]

Yes but I said why it's happening and how AYN can fix it.

[worldly sail]

…No??? It’s based on whatever they’re using for the Frame’s 8 Gen 3.

[unborn estuary]

Andy is having the software engineers look into it asap

[worldly sail]

The 8 Elite getting turnip doesn’t suggest anything about a completely different chipset.

[short gust]

FEX is layer, Turnip is driver

steam os is open source arm things for every devices

[main dock]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-shoes-toy-story-look-gif-10631247

[short gust]

and for no reason news about turnip soon on A8

2+2

[worldly sail]

Yes, and 8 Gen 3 is Adreno 750.

[unborn estuary]

He's AYN's CEO

[short gust]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-very-sloth-slow-gif-15401812

[worldly sail]

Kael’s comment was talking about Adreno 8XX GPU’s.

[short gust]

u really dont understand?

[worldly sail]

I guess? I’m definitely not seeing the lines on the corkboard.

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-8902231

Like, did you also see the same comment and they said something about the frame right afterwards (that wasn’t shown in the image)?

Is Valve somehow using a8xx drivers in the Frame despite it using the a750?

[short gust]

steam os ARM is open source OS for ARM devices, we know that steam device which should get it will use 8 gen 3, but steam os arm will out before this device

2+2, we get news that MESA working on Turnip for Adreno 8, first time

It explains that steam os use Turnip as GPU driver

high chance now

if turnip out on A8, steam os will be available for 8 Elite and Gen5 devices

[worldly sail]

Ok, see that’s the part where you’re losing me, since it’s a completely different chipset and gpu.

Like, if you were just talking about Valve being a major contributor to the open source Mesa 3D Graphics Library, that would at least make more sense.

[clever halo]

[short gust]

It may just be a coincidence, but it's too fucking strong

But if I'm right, Steam OS won't be available for Mediatek/Exynos/Ring at all

[worldly sail]

“Oh, don’t we already help contribute with Mesa? Why don’t we use some of the open source drivers developed from the project for Adreno GPU’s” would at least be a relatively more direct line from point A to point B.

[ripe stirrup]

Is there even proprietary drivers for Linux from Qualcomm?

I thought its a given they using mesa

[short gust]

nop

even if they dont call it turnip, it will be turnip (mesa code)

[keen tulip]

SteamOS was always going to use mesa drivers, that’s the standard for Linux, tf are you on about

[keen tulip]

this was also always the case

if a chipset isn’t supported by the Linux kernel and has no mesa drivers, it’s dead in the water for SteamOS

turnip drivers are just adreno mesa drivers repackaged for android

[short gust]

nobody knows)

[keen tulip]

it is, yeah – and other chipsets will only be supported by Linux and Mesa if either the manufacturers submit patches or there are some really industrious reverse engineers who really want to game on linux on those chipsets

[short gust]

anyway that not good news :/

[keen tulip]

Qualcomm have employed a freedreno (mesa for adreno) developer

it’s fucking great news what are you on about

support for some chipsets isn’t innately bad news for other chipsets lmao

[short gust]

where u find that?

source

[keen tulip]

freedreno gitlab, somebody linked it in here awhile back

[violet hamlet]

Digging the 3 so far, konkr nailed ergo better, but this thing is beautiful and feels great in hands still. Sticka remind me of the Loki a bit, big and precise. More to come.

[keen tulip]

you’re a Developer and an Engineer, aren’t you? I’m sure you can do your own research, so I’m not searching chat history for you

[short gust]

nope, even mesa devs says that their drivers not as good as defaults in terms of compatibility

[keen tulip]

oh my god that purple is so fucking hot

[keen tulip]

uuuuugh

beautiful

[violet hamlet]

Now I need to upgrade to a purple Thor 😂

[slender notch]

Why would you think it would be made to work in every arm device? It will be made for snapdragon 8 gen 3 and anything else is community driven or something that comes later maybe.

[short gust]

share gpu driver version pls 👀

[keen tulip]

I still can’t decide if the blue is prettier or just more novel though

[short gust]

and soc number

[short gust]

bc they sayed that

[versed pebble]

He's a developer and an engineer who won't say who he's working with, on what or generally divulge any information beside that things were done by "his team".

[slender notch]

Because one quote probably taken out of context says it will work on arm devices?? Lol

[keen tulip]

worth noting literally anyone can give themselves the Developer and Engineer roles (I tested it myself, you’ll notice) – I for some reason had assumed some verification was required, but nope

[versed pebble]

OMG you're a DEV

[worldly sail]

I still don’t know how the hell I got the engineer roll, I didn’t even apply for it!

[keen tulip]

I literally am a developer and an engineer

I mean not for anything pertaining to handhelds but nobody specified that requirement

[versed pebble]

I'm so lucky to be rubbing shoulders with the cream of the crop.

[short gust]

it just custom role

u can delete it

[umbral heron]

That purple looks excellent.
It already looked fairly nice in AYN's photos, but seeing it from someone who actually has one, that's gorgeous

Still like the blue even more, but purple is a close 2nd here for me

[worldly sail]

Where and how? Every time I checked the channels and rolls section it wasn’t there as an option.

[ripe stirrup]

There was some mention of Qualcomm putting more effort into open source drivers in some Ayn Chinese chatgrp previously when people was asking about the Odin 3, seems like there is some truth to it at least.

#1399437549864222941 message

[keen tulip]

transparent colors leading the pack easily

[worldly sail]

Bit of an issue there.

[short gust]

server and roles, customize and X

[worldly sail]

Screw it, maybe turning it on and off will work.

[short gust]

just deleted dev role

[worldly sail]

Ok finally that worked.

[violet hamlet]

Yeah it pops, blue looks nice too. 👌

[worldly sail]

Still confused on how I even had the role when I never clicked on it in the first place, but at least it’s gone.

[short gust]

bruh still noone send aida report ...

[violet hamlet]

Hello, 9 rectangles

[short gust]

O_o

So they dont use Gen5 driver ... what a dumbass (and they dont even use latest Gen4 driver)

[violet hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbass-dumas-interview-idiot-moron-gif-5666565

[short gust]

sometimes i dont understand who make handhelds ...

[leaden hollow]

Cyberpunk test?

[short gust]

20 fps

480p

tons of stutters

tried 3 devices

[leaden hollow]

How many with active cooling tho

[short gust]

without cooling it can 20 fps only 1m

[leaden hollow]

What about with Ayn Super Resolution?

[unborn estuary]

ATOMIC PURPLE!

[keen tulip]

check and uncheck it oop you already did

[worldly sail]

How compatible are the A840 drivers with A830? If they’re not 100% perfectly compatible, then it wouldn’t exactly be wise for them to use a different GPU’s stock drivers just because it provides better performance for just a couple emulators that already support alternative drivers (at the cost of whatever incompatibility issues could arise for native Android apps).

[worldly sail]

Already did.

[keen tulip]

almost nobody does afaik

[short gust]

we dont find any problems

compared Gen5 and stock in all cases

[keen tulip]

general question: is there a way to inject a new driver into Android at the system level, or is it compiled in?

[short gust]

ofc

root

[worldly sail]

Including native Android and emulators that don’t allow alternative drivers?

[short gust]

magisk / twrp script

[short gust]

yup

it flashed bolt-on for some reason ...

on 8s gen 4 u cant flash it as system, but u can use it as custom driver via emulators, and again no problems

[worldly sail]

The emulators would definitely be easier to test with since there’s only a few major ones to worry about, but I admit I have a hard time believing they managed to test all the major Android apps that would use them the most.

[short gust]

tons of native android shit tested

Gen5 driver dont have cons

it just insane work from qualcomm, first time they do really massive job

btw, Elite latest driver, like first Gen5 driver (much bigger than default)

[keen tulip]

might be dumb but I sorta want to try flashing the 849 driver to be my OS-level driver

might help with some of the graphical glitches on emulators that don't support custom drivers

[short gust]

all of my team member do that

v849 nubia driver

also we test iqoo ''raytracing'' driver 842.13 (zero improvements in rt) but we will be able to on at least it in supported games

[kindred crypt]

did anyone try these drivers yet? https://gamenative.app/drivers/

there are 8 elite drivers but I think neither Joey nor Russ tried them out yet

I stand corrected, Joey tried them in the livestream without much success

[keen tulip]

those are all availabe in Gamehub as well, I believe

in fact I'm pretty sure that's where the versions of the 842 and 849 drivers patched to support 8 elite originated

[short gust]

u need patch them only if want use as custom driver, not as system

[lusty lynx]

Based off Joey's and Russ's videos I think I'm going to cancel my Super Fan Ultra Blue Odin 3.
Best to just wait for the Odin 3 Portal.

[keen tulip]

thank you for your service (moving the rest of us up a place in line)

I assume you mainly want a bigger screen?

[lusty lynx]

Yeah

[keen tulip]

waiting makes sense!

I’m excited for the 6” screen, seems like the perfect size for portability without being tiny

[tranquil kayak]

does Joey do a comparison between the 3 and the Konkr? kind of stuck between those two

[lusty lynx]

I don't think Joey has a Konkr

[tranquil kayak]

ahh gotcha

[unborn estuary]

I would probably recommend against the konkr personally... I haven't had much luck with ayaneo customer service personally. Some have had good luck though so it's really down to the person I guess.

[tranquil kayak]

That was my initial thought, and that's why I went with the Thor over the Pocket ds. I think the Odin 3 having 24gb of ram might be my big swing.

[unborn estuary]

I'm jealous of anyone with the ultra 😂

[tranquil kayak]

I'm not even sure if I want to get it yet, might want to wait for the portal, might wait until I upgrade my phone and see how well that works. idk yet. too many choices

[gilded edge]

what is your pledge number?

[tranquil kayak]

galaxy s26 ultra is supposedly going to have the sd8 elite gen 5, which will be a monster, but zero driver support

[keen tulip]

in a cruel twist of fate, we’ll probably have adreno 840 (8e gen 5) drivers before adreno 830 (8 elite)

because Qualcomm is prioritizing adding support into the linux kernel and mesa drivers for their new flagship chips before adding support for last year’s chip

but it does look like adreno 830 will be supported at some point next year, at least

[main dock]

So you’re saying I should cancel

[jagged grail]

just wait for odin 4 then innit

[fast sable]

I tried to warn people a month ago that if you want switch you're going to be disappointed with the Elite but people didn't listen 😅

[autumn swan]

For me important just Gamehub/Steam/PC games, by this reason i`m happy and very waiting for my Odin3 will come..

I just want smaller Steam device.

[unborn estuary]

that's exactly the reason i want it too. It's gonna be my steam deck mini.

[autumn swan]

All other systems are just additional benefit for me 🙂

[kindred crypt]

seeing RE2 dip into the 20s in open areas doesn't inspire me a lot of confidence that this will be as good a steam device as originally hyped

but I guess it'll be golden for indies

[keen tulip]

just wait two years for the next device that may also have poor driver support when it releases?

[keen tulip]

very much same, plus it can play Switch games, just not the entire library, which is fine, that'll come with time

[autumn swan]

i saw Stubb videos with Konkr Fit and Joey and others video about Odin3. I saw couple games, which i can’t play on Odin2 Portal, because there is just 20-25 FPS and struggling even with these to 15 FPS sometimes, and on Odin3 these games are running stable 45 FPS and more.

At home i’m playing with Lenovo Go S (SteamOS, Z1 Extreme) and it is wonderfull device, but Odin3 will be when i want to play outside my home 🙂

[violet hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoOVjd4gVZ4

Going live with the Odin 3

[leaden hollow]

||cyberpunk test?||

[main dock]

can the odin 3 emulate the odin 2

[keen tulip]

uuuuuugh purple so good

[keen tulip]

hell yeah fellow 24GB RAM future-proofing crazy person

[torn gale]

Can’t watch the live rn, did Stubbs say the fan is annoying?

[violet hamlet]

Mildly when at full speed 😆

[short gust]

2400x1080
World of Tanks
Elite

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/Bar-JT6fE7k?si=oEYVBMxjpdJ6iiJb

[keen tulip]

OH, @violet hamlet, I’m not sure if your Gamehub was already up to date before the video or not, but I upgraded to 5.3.2 today, and download speeds were significantly improved

like, downloaded a 10GB game in a couple minutes instead of 10+

[violet hamlet]

Ok that is a relief to hear. I'll upgrade to latest. I was using the play store build.

[keen tulip]

FYI the update this time was weird, I had to like install a stub update from the app and then go redownload and install from the website

[violet hamlet]

A stubbsdate you said?

[keen tulip]

ayyyyyyy

y’know what yes

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1oryKB9EKu/
Playstation 3

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1xHyKBBEJN/
8 Elite, v849
Witcher 3 Next Gen
1680*1050 (16:10)
Ultra preset

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1gdCoBWES6/
Elite v849

[main dock]

does elite have frame gen

[short gust]

6 gen 4 and above

AFME (hardware thing)
Adreno Frame Motion Engine

but u can get software FG on anything (root)

[rancid zinc]

To sum up - Elite in Odin3, despite active cooling, is slower than in phones? Did I understand correctly?

[hallow juniper]

They r fixing tdp profiles

[short gust]

info? source

[short gust]

yup

[rancid zinc]

I canceled the preorder and I see that I did the right thing

[short gust]

not really

it was good device, but now it doesnt work on full power

[rancid zinc]

I agree, but I needed the money, and when I saw the size comparison to the RP5, it's much larger. Maybe next year I'll buy something else at Elite.

[short gust]

oh, that a point ...

just grab G2

RP5 Pro

[rancid zinc]

I'm in no rush. I'll wait for RP6 when it comes out to see if it's any good. Or something like a flip version.

[unborn estuary]

Today's the day! Odin 3 is about to go out for delivery! 🚚

[wary matrix]

Youtuber ones or normal folks?

[unborn estuary]

It's a review unit

[clever halo]

At that point, just buy the Thor lol. It's basically the RP Flip 3

With the same chipset as the RP6

[swift nacelle]

engineering unit*, happy beta testing

[keen tulip]

helllll yeah

[rancid zinc]

This small screen makes no sense for me 😉 I'll wait for something else in this shape or smaller with gen3 or at a better price

[clever halo]

Smaller screen?

[unborn estuary]

I've never noticed any differences between review units and retail units personally.

I'm not worried

[umbral heron]

Maybe meant to say "this size screen"

[keen tulip]

of all the reviewers getting Odin 3 early units, I'm most stoked for Kei, because he's already done a lot of PC emulation testing on 8 gen 2 devices and other 8 elite devices, so he'll have a solid point of reference for what O3 should be capable of

[rancid zinc]

This 2 screen on controllers 😅 sorry for my bad eng

[unborn estuary]

I'm glad you're excited for the review

[main dock]

any idea when you'd churn one out?

or is it too late to cancel the odin3 preorder lol

[autumn swan]

it is not late, you can write email and cancel

in changed back today color over email

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1DxUjBJEDM/

[tranquil kayak]

Are you trying to cancel yours?

[main dock]

im trying to see a reason for me to keep the preorder

[unborn estuary]

If you guys dont mind me just fumbling about the device trying things out without a script. I could probably get one out tonight. Just an unscripted first impressions so to speak.

[tranquil kayak]

You didnt happen to be a crazy person and get the ultra, did you?

[main dock]

yes

[tranquil kayak]

I'd be willing to buy it off you just to avoid the late January shipment

[main dock]

for the purposes ill be using the odin 3 for, i feel is better suited on a x86

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1emy7BJELb/
8 Elite
ps3
007

[main dock]

are you in canada?

[tranquil kayak]

Oof, nope. America

[main dock]

yeah im too lazy to do international papers lol

[tranquil kayak]

Yeah thats fair lol

I'll just wait for my order then lol

[main dock]

odin 3 ultra money is a good chunk of the xbox ally x

...or just keep playing on my ally

but its not new shiny

[unborn estuary]

Plus the 30% fee to each the seller and buyer. Too hard to ship to the US right now

[unborn estuary]

The Xbox Ally X is so nice....

[main dock]

theres a guy selling a onexfly f1 pro hx370 for $1000cad locally....

but i think the ally x would be the smarter choice

-more robust cooling
-bigger battery
-better support from ASUS

[unborn estuary]

Agreed

Between those two anyways.

[tranquil kayak]

How is the FSE? I like my ally in theory, but I dont like navigating windows on it, and Ive got too many xbox games to bother with Linux

[main dock]

the only thing i can see the odin 3 doing better than the x86, is potentially switch emu

[unborn estuary]

It's... meh. I like Steam big picture better

[main dock]

i like windows cause i like using trainers lol

[keen tulip]

I doubt we’re gonna see anything new on the Switch front between Russ and Kei’s first impression videos, since there haven’t been new drivers or emulators released in the past day

[main dock]

yeah im only thinking future potential

[unborn estuary]

Plus I wont show any switch emulation on video... i don't even want to be a target whatsoever for Nintendo.

[main dock]

just android having native code execution

[keen tulip]

that’s so valid

[keen tulip]

we’re just waiting on mesa/turnip driver support for adreno 830 at this point, which will probably drop early next year

[unborn estuary]

The real draw of the Odin 3 is PC emulation and high end android gaming honestly

[fast sable]

Doesnt work anyway 😅

[keen tulip]

Kei has already been in contact with Ayn about the weird TDP/performance modes issue, afaik

[unborn estuary]

Ha exactly

[main dock]

on the topic of cancellations, i really shouldve cancelled my SUPER5 megakit lmao

over a year now

[keen tulip]

it’ll rock for Switch whenever it gets driver support, but that won’t be for a few months

[unborn estuary]

CPU schedulers aren't really the best way to adjust performance on the SD 8 Elite in my opinion. Hopefully they revamp their performance modes.

[main dock]

and even then, its compromised

[keen tulip]

what? how?

[unborn estuary]

Is it? I had no issues on the Elite in my Y700 for pc gaming.. minus one game, skyrim SE

[main dock]

well just compared to actually using windows

[keen tulip]

well duh

[main dock]

i guess compromised is the wrong word lol

[keen tulip]

but windows handhelds are a whole different weight class, literally and performance wise

[unborn estuary]

My favorite class of handhelds 🤩

[main dock]

yes. i didnt touch my ally for a year cause how big/heavy it felt

[keen tulip]

Odin 3 should be one of the best ARM handhelds for PC emulation, though

[main dock]

but i got used to it

[main dock]

yes. but my thought is why would i play a game at (for example) 30fps, when i could play at 60-120fps

[keen tulip]

esp. since Gamehub has the latest Qualcomm drivers, which have solid Vulkan and OpenGL support

[keen tulip]

I mean, I’ll be going that route for a lot of games

[unborn estuary]

If you get a good sling bag, they're actually quite easy to fit into your daily routine. I played my Ally, Ally X, and Legion Go for a solid year, getting a good amount of playtime during work breaks and in a quiet café before my shift. Amazing devices.

[keen tulip]

I don’t even have a gaming PC lmao

[unborn estuary]

Now my Xbox Ally X and Claw 8 AI are my two go to devices for pc gaming

[keen tulip]

PC handhelds seem neat but I’m just not interested in their price, weight, and size

[unborn estuary]

Not for everyone for sure. I really hope the Odin 3 will be that steam deck micro people have been waiting for

[main dock]

which ones better? was claw 8 the latest msi one?

[unborn estuary]

I prefer the Claw 8 AI as the build quality is supposedly better... plus intel has been on the warpath with updates nearly every week getting things fixed up nicely.

[keen tulip]

same, I’m also really hoping SteamOS is eventually ported to it, but that would be further out

[unborn estuary]

I'm also really drawn to that edgy gamery design on the Claw 8 AI 🤣

Great cooling too

[unborn estuary]

That would be HUGE. I really hope that happens as well.

I imagine AYN and Retroid would be getting a lot of new business if Steam OS on ARM was a thing.

[keen tulip]

ripping out android and installing linux instead has always been one of my goals for any android handhelds I buy

[unborn estuary]

Odin 3 is out for delivery now!

[keen tulip]

I don’t think it’s gonna happen on Flip 2 because both distros available for it are buildroot and don’t include switch emulators, but actual arch-based SteamOS could be game changing for higher-power handhelds

forget android 16 desktop mode, Odin 3 with SteamOS could literally be docked to a monitor with keyboard and mouse to get the power of a full linux desktop

[main dock]

hows the claw's ecosystem/software compared to asus' on the ally?

[unborn estuary]

Sucks 😂 . It's usable though but it hangs for like 5-10 seconds on starting up MSI Center M.

The Auto TDP is nice on it, plus it's dead silent, has great speakers and a beautiful vibrant panel.

[main dock]

have you tried GPD's MotionAssistant?

works amazing on ally

i wouldnt use my ally without it

[unborn estuary]

I dont like it 😅

[main dock]

whats not to like? just select the tdp you want lol

honestly i thought the ally was a pos without it. unless asus fixed/optimized their tdp settings

[keen tulip]

honestly wild to me that people don’t generally overwrite Windows with SteamOS or similar on these PC handhelds

I guess it makes sense with Gamepass and those games that require Windows for anticheat, but like, installing Bazzite/SteamFork/Reign would be setup step 0 for me

[main dock]

just dual boot?

[keen tulip]

I would like to wipe the stain that is Windows from my machine entirely

[fast sable]

Come on Kei. You're late to the party. I've had mine for a day already!

[unborn estuary]

Canadians are never late, nor are they early. They arrive precisely when they mean to.

[main dock]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-canada-simpsons-ralph-wiggum-gif-16035629

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1rPUjBvExg/
Sekiro
720p

[tidal oak]

O3 got delayed ?

[keen tulip]

not since the last update where they announced shipping would start early december and batch 3 (orders past november 13th) would start shipping mid january, no

and early december is hardly a delay – hell, by IGG campaign standards, that's running early

[tidal oak]

So super fan orders should be in the first wave ?

[tranquil kayak]

Yeah, IGG orders take priority, and then they're going in order of purchase like they did with the Thor. But they had a cutoff date where the separate stuff out to batch 3, and that batch is shipping in January.

[keen tulip]

I could be wrong, but I think superfan orders are still shipped out by backer number alongside full-price IGG orders

be cool to be in an early wave just because I nabbed a superfan discount though lol

[brisk escarp]

Superfan is just a pricing advantage, not a queue advantage

That said: if you have a launch day SF and didn't nab it later on, then yeah, we'll be the firdt ones

[violet hamlet]

Hello! New Odin 3 vid

https://youtu.be/rbjEK8PnxPE?si=CUoUenYAD0FNkJ-t

[gilded edge]

holy sh... I may try to finish this game on the O3

[gilded edge]

where is nitrix with the higher res version on youtube

[novel panther]

Those decoding times

What sort of wifi network are you using @violet hamlet ? If 6e or 7, are you using the 6GHz band?

[wary matrix]

Btw will we get the TPU shell with our IGG orders? Haven't really paid attention to that when I ordered at 3:30am back then

[novel panther]

Yep (tiny bottom text)

[short gust]

he just upload the same 1080/720p 30fps, bc dont have subscription

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1NKUpBtEK2/

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV16qUHB7Ete/
Resident Evil 2 Remake
720p
High

wonder how it will perform when they unlock full power with update (15% gpu, 10% cpu) also wonder how it will perform in right hands, without any limit ''undervotl, driver, some hw tricks''

[autumn swan]

https://youtu.be/zprbgPUqZLc?si=9tVFYiEXODPKF-Ml

[urban grail]

nono you're not allowed to share his reviews apparently 😄 it's a good review

[autumn swan]

I allowed to do everything, at least until i will be banned 😄

[versed pebble]

Ouch.

The fan is the problem… ?

If true, that doesn't sound very fixable. 😬

[main dock]

What’s up with ayn and fans?

[novel panther]

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-lamar-not-like-us-he-a-fan-kendrick-dancing-gif-10852408087392310778

[gilded edge]

I've seen people decreasing this noise with thin breathable fabric on the vent.

But at the cost of thermals

Sounds like an ok tradeoff for me

[violet hamlet]

6E, I'll have to check band.

[violet hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/right-to-jail-right-away-fred-armisen-parks-and-rec-right-to-jail-jail-gif-1866630920936314540

[autumn swan]

Not to jail please, there i can’t use my handhelds..

[versed pebble]

Parks & Rec is the funniest American workplace comedy.

[main dock]

I just learned he’s quarter Korean

[violet hamlet]

They actually do make prison handhelds, they are transparent so you can't hide your drugs in there 😂

[stiff quartz]

is that why the Odin 3 comes in transparent colors?

[violet hamlet]

That's right!

[stiff quartz]

It's important to be prison ready

[violet hamlet]

At all times, especially in this hobby

[wary matrix]

Stubbs not already being behind bars is honestly surprising, the Ninjas seem to deem him not to be important enough

[versed pebble]

Dude

His nickname is Stubbs.

Where the hell do you think he got it?

[violet hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/shawn-spencer-james-roday-under-the-radar-radar-psych-gif-2986515280445949703

It will be a nice milestone to celebrate if Nintendo ever strikes us down.

[unborn estuary]

Ha you ever seen Psych Stubbs?

Guess you must've. Psych gifs always work so well 😂

[versed pebble]

Are you trying to say he looks like Anne Dudek ?

-# I don't see it.

[unborn estuary]

https://youtu.be/vGuLFeO8gj8

[violet hamlet]

🍇 gang rise up

[versed pebble]

Grape Gang forever.

Children of the Muscat

[brisk escarp]

The more reviews I see the less I know why I actually backed it lol (it = SF Max)

I just want to stream and need a better companion than the RP5 to my O2Portal 🤣

I just kind of don't have the balls to bail out and wait for the RP6 (which I also preordered.. rofl)

And the worst of it: the more I think about it, the more I think I just should've gotten the Thor and called it a day.

I will 100% end up with all 3 of them now..

[toxic brook]

I ordered the Odin for me, the Thor was for the wife. Still stand by my decision

I'm gonna play some retro stuff on it, some Android games, some winlator, do some experimenting with stuff.. plus, having a powerful Android handheld will make me want a powerful phone less.

[unborn estuary]

It's so much nicer in person than I thought

[stiff quartz]

Perfection

[toxic brook]

I hope! I want my phone to be a lot more purposeful and a lot less expensive now. Doesn't mean i won't buy something decent, but i really don't want to keep buying flagships just so i can keep up with a few games i want to check out.

This Razr was expensive as hell. I need to be done with that shit.

Though I'll still long for the RedMagic phones forever. That chunky dumb gamer aesthetic and the under screen camera will always be appealing.

[main dock]

https://tenor.com/view/chappelle-prince-imitate-emulate-gif-9494247

[main dock]

damnit. just opened a new rabbit hole

[toxic hull]

Great video man, I'm glad I ordered the clear purple! 💜

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1DCUPBJE45/

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1YeUwBmEJT/
Resident Evil 3
High/medium

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1bmUPB2E3x/

[unborn estuary]

Thanks! Yeah the purple is pretty nice overall. I think you'll love the colour in person.

[toxic hull]

Yes, I also have a purple Odin 2 (max) for Android and a cold grey Odin 2 (max) for Linux (ROCKNIX), can't wait to make a comparison video... 💜

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1CrUNB6EwZ/
Elden Ring Nightreign

[fast sable]

The cold grey is one of the best colours they did

[toxic hull]

💯 agree, I wished they had cold grey with the Odin 3. 🩶

[versed pebble]

It looks like a Sun workstation had a weird baby.

[leaden hollow]

Damn this is actually pretty crazy

[versed pebble]

@kindred crypt I'm not kidding !

[kindred crypt]

I know, that's why I laughed, you are technically correct

[cosmic pendant]

Since my G2 won't arrive, I'm moving up to Odin 3

[ripe stirrup]

?? Doubt any O3 order just placed will arrive before a retroid G2.

[cosmic pendant]

Well I’m losing hope with my order

Its almost a month and I still don’t have it

might as well move on and get Odin 3

[errant sable]

That's gonna be in Jan then

[cosmic pendant]

Yep, I just dont mind at this point

its better than G2 tho so its worth it I believe

This is my g2 order

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/jbrmjyvV9f4 team
zero artefacts

they fix graphical issues (all) but they broke system core manager

this why we get now drops to 23 fps ... (we will try some solutions)

[short gust]

that JIT btw

NCE fully broken now

https://tenor.com/view/worried-monkey-worried-monkey-gif-5992280527583416561

https://streamable.com/gq6ydp

NCE - 5th time boot, others full screen artefact (single stutter on compiling)

[gilded edge]

trying to use the bow without arrow

[kindred crypt]

@violet hamlet I saw you tested the Retroid DS addon with the Odin 3 in your vid, was that with the "retroid" clip or the "others" clip? since there are different clip sizes

[violet hamlet]

Retroid clip fit, other clip was too big

[cosmic pendant]

Does Odin 3 good enough with light pc games?

Or this is where driver issue fall

[keen tulip]

from what I’ve seen in early impressions videos, light PC games seem to run fantastic

Kei in particular demoed a good selection of games on Gamehub in his first impressions

[short gust]

heavy no problem

[short gust]

...

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1nKUTBGE46/
1920*1080
Medium Preset

here real 8Elite (Y700) without software limits (+external cooling clip)

[unborn estuary]

Incredibly well 👍

[jagged grail]

how much fast forward can we get with RA mgba core on odin 3

asking for a friend

[novel panther]

Faster than you would ever need. Games like Pokémon/JRPGs get unplayable after around 4x anyway, and way weaker devices can do 4x on the mGBA core

[kindred crypt]

all of it

[wary matrix]

I did 50x on my rg477m, Odin 3 probably does 100x if that would be an option

[gilded edge]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1KCUCBXEFt/

now that I look a bit more at this video. It seems fake, looks like the odin3 is an AI image

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/Nqm7lRP6mP8

@fast scaffold v849 driver on Elite?

u didnt showed

seems like now, trash performance on elite ...
if u want make real video Elite vs Steam Deck vs G3 i can help with settings etc

[gilded edge]

yea, the 8elite in the video is basically caped at 4/7w, more than that it overheats lol.

[gilded edge]

he went with 8elite drivers 842.13 or something

[short gust]

yeah, hes results like X times worst than we get

some games x2/some x3/other wont boot at all

[gilded edge]

do you have any video of the elite playing elden ring?

[short gust]

824.12

[short gust]

here

[main dock]

So cancel my Odin 3?

[short gust]

[short gust]

and odin

[short gust]

its not stock driver

[gilded edge]

oh mispoke then

[short gust]

nubia 11 pro for example comes with latest

v849

[gilded edge]

What is ur contribution number? If under 500, yes

[gilded edge]

ty

[autumn swan]

yes, please

[main dock]

good question. lemme see

[short gust]

https://tenor.com/view/yato-herzog-gif-26536644

[main dock]

Indiegogo contribution #23x

[ocean perch]

I'm starting to reconsider my Odin 3 preorder. I knew driver compatibility wasn't there but now there's heat/watt and fan issue.

[short gust]

therey no issues

it wont heat, not loud fan, watts will be full soon (not limited like on mobiles)

in OTA update

[ocean perch]

That's not guaranteed.

It's an issue right now.

[short gust]

there no ''issue''

watts the same like on phones/tablets

[ocean perch]

You just mentioned the issues lol

[short gust]

u can get full even now if get root (25+ watt)

[short gust]

.

[ocean perch]

I'm gonna just block you. Thanks.

[short gust]

returd

or slow poke idk ...

[kindred crypt]

what are you wowing about you never buy anything

[short gust]

i do, but im not sharing 😄

2 handhelds atm

and 3 phones

[kindred crypt]

ah, congratulations, at least you have some skin in the game now

[short gust]

eh, i will not play serius untill steam os out anyway

or turnip on a830/840

[leaden hollow]

The thermal issues are just from the phone though

Reviewers haven't really had any problems with heat in the odin 3

Also: https://www.rxddit.com/r/OdinHandheld/comments/1p53qmi/turnip_for_sd_8_elite_for_the_beginning_of_next

[gilded edge]

You may cancel It then. mine Will ship faster

[main dock]

because it's been down clocked in the odin 3? what happens when it's fully unlocked

[short gust]

its not downclocked

it was tdp limited

20w only in spikes (when should be regular 20w and spikes 25+)

[leaden hollow]

Maybe? AFAIK Kei got in touch about improved tdp profiles so we'll see if that makes heat more noticeable

[short gust]

Kimchi get this thing btw

[keen tulip]

Kei was saying he ran into thermal throttling if the TDP went over 13W with the fan in smart mode

so unlocking TDP to 25W might not go so well

[short gust]

smart mode not working good on any handheld with such a high tdp

just put max and ur good

[leaden hollow]

has anybody done a wildlife extreme stress test with it

[keen tulip]

yeah well sport mode sounds like a fuckin jet engine with a side of CRT coil whine

also smart mode works well on a lot of handhelds

[short gust]

with tdp 5w yes

😄

even on X86 handhelds smart mode doesnt work well

it has delay on detection, and it was too late

also it almost never push it to the max, even if u reach all thermal limits, it just start down clocks

👍

[main dock]

do thor owners get the special bag along with the odin 3?

[autumn swan]

No

[autumn swan]

Just tpu shell

[keen tulip]

smart mode works fine on Odin 3 up to 12-13w

which gets you stellar performance in a lot of games

20-25w is a cool theoretical maximum but say goodbye to any semblance of battery life

1-1.5hrs battery life wheeeeee

it would be really cool to have a max-TDP, max-fan, charging bypass docked mode, though

[short gust]

2 hours on mobile

[keen tulip]

mate

[short gust]

with 20-25w consumption

handheld should be more

better firmware, cooling etc

[keen tulip]

8*3.7/25 ~= 1.2

8*3.7/20 ~= 1.5

and both of those are rounding up

[short gust]

i cant count like that 😄

[keen tulip]

that's just pure TPD too, not counting the fan or display or speakers or wifi or anything

early reports are ~2.5hrs battery life with the TDP maxing out at 13-15W

[short gust]

whatever battery life is not problem when u play that heavy stuff

u will be always on bypass charger

[keen tulip]

so with 20-25W TDP, you're probably looking at like an hour, maybe hour 15 of battery life

[short gust]

or powerbunk

[keen tulip]

some people want to actually use their portable handheld as a portable handheld lmao

like I said

max-TDP, max-fan for a docker mode would rock

I would not want that while actually using it as a handheld

[short gust]

so?

just dont use max mode 🙂

[keen tulip]

https://tenor.com/bCNWG.gif

[short gust]

u should be able to use device on max out the box, will or not it was different story

[keen tulip]

is there any device that lets you push 20-25W on 8 elite currently?

maybe the RM Astra or 10S Pro?

[short gust]

red magic ye

[keen tulip]

I could've swore even they topped out around 20W

I think AYN should give us a TDP slider like Ayaspace has but leave it on sane defaults

25W TDP + fan on low + plugged into a charger without bypass enabled = spicy pillow territory

in fact maybe TDP above some threshold should force sport fan mode honestly

[short gust]

there no tests, bc my team now start playing world of tanks (pc version via winlator)
1600х800
Low settings (+fsr)

[keen tulip]

uuuuuugh teal RPG2 is hothothot

[brisk escarp]

RP5/G2 form factor is hot.. really wished they had just swapped the sticks for the G2 and called it "RP6" and left the rp6 for next year

[kindred crypt]

blue is such an interesting look

first impressions rambling video when? 😄

[stiff kettle]

It's deeper and less milky than the purple thor was

[stiff kettle]

[fast scaffold]

it's the newest driver. 842.8 got uploaded a few days ago to github as the newest available for download. 842.13 is the newest on gamehub

[short gust]

should be v849

[fast scaffold]

i tested both before this video and the results were negligible

[short gust]

842.13 is special for iqoo with raytracing and it weaker

[fast scaffold]

may be different for your device but on my testing unit it didn't make much difference

[short gust]

problem with ur settings and device

seems like it wont push over 7w 😄

when stock Elite 17.5w on any phone/tablet

maybe u didnt activate performance mode on galaxy?

[fast scaffold]

doesn't have one

that's the problem lol

[short gust]

hmm

hold on

[fast scaffold]

it has a game booster but can't get gamehub to be recognized as a game by the system

[short gust]

u cant add custom app to game booster?

i dont use samsung some generations 😄

also btw, 849 driver dont improve performance

it has better compatibility and stability

some heavy latest games wont even boot on any other

@fast scaffold

samsung s25 ultra no root

full Elite tdp, game Sifu

Oh, ik how to help u

@fast scaffold

modified package name, it will force soc to max

[tidal oak]

does it throttle at all?

is that the controller w/ a fan

[short gust]

wym

[main dock]

https://tenor.com/view/virus-please-wait-downloading-retro-win95-gif-26539025

[short gust]

yeah, it was gamesir x3 pro

and yeah it will throttle after amount of time, bc cooling weak (12w)

[kindred crypt]

https://youtu.be/bcd0uF_9XeA?si=od15Z7CyVjBCXTAB

super impressive seeing PS3 Dante's Inferno and Demon Souls running at full speed 100% of the time like it's nothing

like I don't think I even saw dips

really goes to show what this chip could do with mature emulators

[stiff kettle]

You mean you don't like Super Mario Odyssey: Chromed Out Edition?

[leaden hollow]

Damn that must be the $80 version

[stiff kettle]

RIP

I'm guessing the Odin 3 is "an untrusted platform"

looks like roetaka had the same issue

[short gust]

RC3 optimized?

and what driver

[stiff kettle]

Not sure what you mean by rc3. This is latest Eden and the latest qualcomm driver extracted from gamehub.

[stiff kettle]

oh, yes, that

[short gust]

v849 driver?

[stiff kettle]

rc3 + 842.8

[short gust]

😄

[leaden hollow]

Man I hate edens version naming lol

[kindred crypt]

oof

metal cap mode

[short gust]

i like, they are simple

RC mean revision

higher => better

[leaden hollow]

Not sure why it's not considered 1.0 yet though

[short gust]

bc its not even close

1.0 will be mean emulator almost done

[leaden hollow]

I mean it's pretty close tbh

[stiff kettle]

Oh snap, 849 makes a difference.

[short gust]

🙂

842.8 (xiaomi 17) is first Gen5 driver, 849 latest (red magic 11pro+)

[stiff kettle]

smooth 60 docked

[short gust]

happy?

[stiff quartz]

I was gonna say, Mario Odyssey works very well on my end

[stiff kettle]

I had just fetched the latest extracted from gamehub, didn't realize kimchi had a newer extracted version

totk still has black blobs

[short gust]

we still didnt try totk

but botw no issue at all now on rc3

https://streamable.com/gq6ydp docked

[stiff kettle]

Might be a little better than the other driver. sorta playable but this kind of thing happens.

[short gust]

ouch

that not driver issue

something wrong with core settings

[short gust]

nah, it will be close when they fix performance and ram leaking

in result it will make playable zelda on even 845 (Odin) 😄

[stiff kettle]

Hades still a bit glitchy.

[main dock]

Did you try 60fps patch?

[short gust]

after update, it stop work ... waiting fix (or we will do it later)

[main dock]

Which update? Emulator update or game update?

[short gust]

game

[main dock]

Just revert the game back to the patch’s version

[stiff kettle]

Pretty comfy for GeForce now…

[tidal oak]

I feel like the Thor with Etsy grip is also comfy for streaming. Floating 6” screen also closer to my face

[stiff kettle]

Screen position might be better on Thor but this feels better than a Thor with grip as far as ergonomics

[tidal oak]

This grip is just right for my hands. Obviously I don’t have an odin3 yet tho…

But it’s damn comfy

[stiff kettle]

Damn, hades 2 at 1080p 60 no sweat via gamehub

[keen tulip]

with like 8W power draw, yeah?

[short gust]

@fast scaffold working?

if not, there another solution which help 200% (activity launcher adb) if antutu/ludashi package unlock only gpu in samsung, this will also cpu

[fast scaffold]

I didn't test it, i'm taking a break after that video lol

[short gust]

«thermal» - non root

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1GJUUByEQm/
720p

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1iJUrBhEFy/

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1iYU7BeEfx/
1680*1050

[fast scaffold]

i'm super excited by how well the odin 3 is doing. looking forward to using it for future tests next year

[short gust]

im waiting when somone root it and tune ... too see Max state (kimchi soon)

[short gust]

btw we just confirmed that Elite will never be that good as Gen5 🙁 (it has global changes on gpu core) even when we reach similar performance raw and synthetic, in real emulation that really nothing

btw

[novel panther]

I asked AYN about their advertised 60W charging and how Russ only measured 26W

[short gust]

turnip just will make it similar in some cases

[versed pebble]

As non-answers go, that's a pretty good one.

"How ?" "We'll sell you a solution."

[short gust]

that mean, it has battery and bms 60w, but they selling device with 27w

economy 😄

so, u can use open protocol any chager 60w with it (good quality)

[versed pebble]

You are very very dense, aren't you.

"Russ was using a 100W charger."

The charger wasn't the problem, it's the charging circuitry that's stupidly made.

[short gust]

he use unsupported charger (it can take a bit time until users find suited)

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1PrUDBMEEx/
Gran Turismo 5
PS3

[short gust]

better than on original console, and for JIT+AQE it was solid result ... even if ps3 is weaker 15-20 times 😄

[stiff quartz]

I'm gonna try to get more clarification. I have this in my notes as part of some questions/recommendations that I want to send over to AYN. 🙏

SD 8 Elite supports Qualcomm's Quick Charge 5.0 so in theory it should work with any power adapter that supports it. It's one thing if they are suggesting their own adapter for best compatibility/covering their own asses, but this should not be a proprietary thing at all.

[keen tulip]

newest gen SoC is better than last gen SoC, shocking literally nobody

[winter axle]

I know it's probably way too early, but if you were to keep one is it this or the Thor? @stiff quartz @stiff kettle @gusty phoenix

[stiff kettle]

Well if switch is your jam then Odin 3 is out for now. If gamehub is your jam, then Odin 3 all the way.

[stiff quartz]

I much prefer the Odin 3 over the Thor, it's way more comfy out of the box for me.

[stiff kettle]

For retro stuff I’d only pick the Thor over O3 if I was a big DS/3ds fan. As the father has said, O3 is much more comfy to hold.

[stiff quartz]

It also comes down to what you want out of your device. Like Derek said, if you really want the full DS/3DS experience with the dual screens, the Thor wins for sure.

Do you see yourself using the dual screens for other purposes like multitasking?

[winter axle]

Good to know. I really like my Thor for what it is, but I think O3 better fits my needs as secondary device.

[winter axle]

I have the Thor already and dig it, but I just don't use the bottom screen as much. I don't play as much DS/3DS, but I still appreciate how compact and travel friendly it is.

I'm just looking for a good secondary/on-the-go device for my Go S. Really just looking for an at home and on the go combo.

[stiff quartz]

The compactness of the Thor is very awesome

and the clamshell design definitely makes it nice for protection

[violet hamlet]

Samesies

[umbral heron]

Thor is an awesome device for portability (should fit in the pockets of a good portion of the pants I own), but Odin 3 to me seems like it'll be an excellent slingbag/backpack handheld especially once compatibility improves later down the road

[stiff quartz]

I think it will make for a good companion to something like the Go S as well since it's so much smaller than it

[violet hamlet]

Love them both for different reasons yeah

[umbral heron]

If I had to only buy one of the two, and honestly likely what I may do, it'd probably be the Odin 3

[stiff quartz]

Same

[winter axle]

Thanks for the feedback y'all

Now who wants to trade a Thor Max for an O3? 😂

[umbral heron]

Don't have one 😅
But I'm sure you'll find someone!

I'll personally wait until around Black Friday 2026 to get an O3 (maybe AYN does a sale on the O3 then.)
There may or may not be an 8 Elite device that's better than the O3 by then, but seeing how good the hardware of the O3 seems to be outside of compability, good chance it's still what I decide to buy. (Those speakers and sticks man…)

I do hope they fix the fan issue though.
Kei's review showing that not every fan has the whine sound issue is somewhat promising, but I don't know for certain if I'd still find the fan too loud even without that in person

[autumn swan]

Me too, i have now Lenovo Go S (SteamOS, Z1E) for playing at home, but i preordered Odin3 just to play on the go, work, public transport, etc same Steam games (or mostly of them). It will be ideal duo for me. Ordered and Thor (again), because sometimes i’m going without any backpack or bag, and i want to have pocket device. I had previously Thor and sold it, because i thought it will be my portable handheld, but after that i decided and understand that Odin3 will be better for my needs and i want again Thor, because this pocketability was amazing for me.

[umbral heron]

I'll wait for a different and more affordable dual-screen clamshell (not the RG DS lol) that will be a great companion to my Odin 3.
Thor might feel a bit redundant with the Odin 3 with the same screen, and Lite seemingly being quietly discontinued now

[keen tulip]

same here – I could only afford one of the two, so I canceled my Thor preorder to back the Odin 3 last month

primarily for ergo, also for the increased power for PC gaming

if I really want a dedicated (3)DS handheld (that isn’t my actually N3DS XL), I’m sure Annerbnic and friends will make something decent for under $150 soon enough

[tidal oak]

this is me rn. Go S + Thor.

[umbral heron]

Personally want to see Retroid make their own (3)DS handheld in the near future

Not something I would pre-order bc of Retroid's history with bad launches, but would buy if it turns out good

[tidal oak]

thor with grip is my edc now

[keen tulip]

I just don’t know how they could make something cheaper than Thor without some major downgrades

[autumn swan]

I will take in your case just Thor Lite. It will be available since mid of December, if i good remember Nicole message.

[keen tulip]

eh, still more than I’d pay for a novelty device

I’m content with my N3DS XL that was like $120 off craigslist forever ago

has an IPS top screen so it’s not too bad

[unborn estuary]

I know im not those youtubers but i prefer this over the Thor, that being said with how impressed I am with the Thor I feel like that's saying a lot.

[kindred crypt]

I read this as "the clamshell design makes it nice for collection" and nodded

turns out it was the right move on AYN's part to ship the Thor before this one huh

I feel like the main issue of the Thor is really the triggers/shoulders

if those had been designed to be more rounded so that your fingers rested more naturally on them it probably would have been much closer to the Odin 3 in terms of ergo

[tidal oak]

i feel like etsy will eventually fix this

trigger swap is hella easy

or snap ons.

[keen tulip]

not sure how much can be fixed if the triggers follow the shape of the device itself

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/dJtjp6J9qyo
INDIKA 2024
Eden RC3

[tidal oak]

https://www.printables.com/model/1480928-ayn-thor-trigger-mod someone made these already

[winter axle]

Thanks for this, I actually did watch your video on the O3 too and pretty much gathered this from it. But thanks for reiterating here!

[keen tulip]

looks like a slight improvement

witch isn’t nothing

my issue with the Thor is the controls are all too low

[stiff quartz]

Agree with this for sure!

It was the first thing I noticed when I held it besides for how compact it is 😅

[keen tulip]

like people say Thor is laid out like N3DS XL, but it’s very much not, N3DS XL’s dpad is about halfway up the device

but idk, I’ll probably still end up with a Thor 2 or 3 at some point, ergo concerns aside

[kindred crypt]

I actually find dpad usage fine on the Thor, just as long as you don't need to use the triggers/shoulders lol

[main dock]

https://tenor.com/view/froid-gif-13800108568354546884

[vague helm]

https://x.com/4k_isn/status/1993277813286465756?t=VPon6uRiOhISYYUt5R10Lw&s=19

Pixel Gamer 4k (@4k_isn)

Snapdragon 8 Elite, 8 Elite Gen 5, 8s Gen 4, the upcoming 8 Gen 5, and 7s Gen 3 will all get Turnip support very soon, so PC emulation performance, especially in DX12 games, will see an average improvement of about 75 to 120 percent

X · Nov 25, 2025, 11:17 AM

is this stat true ?

75 - 120% would totally change what is playable or not

[frank hare]

I my opnion, everything is speculation until we see proof

Really hoping to be true tho

[vague helm]

Yeah same

it would mean no steam deck needed anymore

[short gust]

true

Elite + turnip on DX12 will be close (i hope) to Elite Gen5 while translate DX12 to Vulcan without turnip

[main dock]

But how come default drivers have better performance than turnip in RPCSX

[short gust]

adreno drivers has better performance even in native android games (not all)

[kindred crypt]

that's hard to believe but it would become an absolute monster if true

[kindred crypt]

I think rpcsx is more reliant on CPU than GPU so benefits less from custom drivers

[main dock]

so using turnip gives less cpu performance?

[kindred crypt]

no but there's less room for improvement, not sure why it does worse with turnip though

[keen tulip]

this pull request for Mesa is only for Adreno 840 and X2-85, Adreno 830 support is planned further down the line, and afaik we have no clue what's happening with all the weird offshoot Adreno 8xx GPUs

I'm not sure if Turnip will work like Qualcomm proprietary drivers, and we can run Adreno 840 drivers on the other Adreno 8xx GPUs, but I'm personally not counting on that

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which one does the elite have

[short gust]

830

[short gust]

ofc we will not

turnip should have support to work on start

[keen tulip]

8 elite (gen 4) is Adreno 830

[main dock]

There’s a gen 4?

[stiff kettle]

Gen 4 is the 8 elite

But now there’s a newer 8 elite gen 5

[short gust]

it should be named as Snapdragon 8 Gen4 (all rumors and data has this code), but after they rename it to Elite

[stiff kettle]

Qualcomm with their mystery naming schemes

[short gust]

and later 8s gen4

[stiff quartz]

This. I'm very much a "I'll believe it when I see it" kind of person

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https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-yes-imagination-gif-14776727382727473857

https://tenor.com/view/spartan-this-is-marketing-mad-angry-gif-15783739

[keen tulip]

marketing, or non-technical people misunderstanding what they've read and overhyping it?

[main dock]

gen 4? meh

elite?!

[short gust]

say them thanks, that we dont have another 7 series:
7+ Gen (good)
7s Gen (bad)
7 Gen (decent)

[stiff kettle]

regarding charging: most of my cables read 40w charge

regardless if 65w or 100w brick

[main dock]

maybe ayn really locking us out to sell us a charger

[keen tulip]

the change in nomenclature makes sense since they moved CPU + GPU design in-house with 8 elite, I just think they should've gone up to Snapdragon 9 or something instead of 8 elite

[main dock]

you dont like elite?

https://tenor.com/view/fancy-tuxedo-winnie-the-pooh-gif-15693976

[brisk escarp]

Isn't the number the tier? Like s6 gen 2/3/4/..,
s7 gen 2/3/4..,
s8 gen 2/3/4..?

Much like Ryzen 3,5,7,9 or Intel xx300,xx500,xx700,xx900 etc.

So s9 would even be more confusing, imho.

They're basically pulling an Intel Core Ultra or Ryzen AI with the Elite naming scheme.

The confusing part is the "Gen 5" thing imo.

[keen tulip]

except these new SoCs are a new tier of chip

honestly maybe they needed a new nomenclature entirely when they moved chip design in-house

[gilded edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhXQBbNlcd8

[main dock]

I like elite cause it makes me feel special inside

[torn gale]

https://tenor.com/view/taliesin-evitel-elitist-i-love-it-though-gif-15673531

[vague helm]

No mystery, 4 is just bad in China so they soft skipped it

[vague helm]

Sad if it's only for 8g5

[keen tulip]

just something to look forward to in Odin 4, with whatever chip beyond 8 gen 5 it uses

[main dock]

You mean Odin Elite (not to be confused with Odin 3 which uses Elite)

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1DPSgBPE7X/

Alpha protocol, ps3

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1iMUqBpEZx/
Painkiller 2025

[vague helm]

Won't they just make turnip for normal 8 Elite too ?

[short gust]

first turnip for A840 (less work to do)

Elite Gen5 and 8 Gen5

after for 8 Elite, 8s gen4 and 7s gen3

[keen tulip]

oh sorry, I got mixed up and thought you’d responded to a different message

yes, turnip for 8 elite / Adreno 830 is planned, just for after Adreno 840 and X2-85

[kindred crypt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/comments/1p7hq9e/ayn_odin_3_gamehub_lite_sneak_peek/

Gamehub Lite update brings Shadow of the Tomb Raider to an average of 29 fps on the Odin 3

[short gust]

rofl emulator settings

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/BV1FjUeBnEtm/
1680x1050 medium preset

[stiff kettle]

My Odin 3 video is 50 minutes... I think my longest ever...

[short gust]

CarX screet PC 2025
1600х720
very high

[stiff kettle]

https://youtu.be/c0aVgT04pdo

[main dock]

i was just about to check if you posted it yet lmao

[violet hamlet]

Another who understands 🤣

[short gust]

2400x1080p, that type of record (with pc) takes 15 fps, w.o 60fps

[kindred crypt]

I feel like the RG DS drama has detracted us from the real event

the Odin 3 is a big deal, it pushes the entire scene forward, we should talk more about it

sure compatibility issues, but regardless, it's a big event

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Odin 3lit3

[kindred crypt]

would you say it's an emulation breast?

[kindred crypt]

it's ok lol, I love that you left that in

[keen tulip]

3Odin3Elite

[stiff kettle]

Honestly didn’t realize it. One second out of 51 minutes…

Sometimes I tell myself I’ll edit stuff out later and then forget by the time I’m editing and miss it.

[stiff kettle]

31337

[kindred crypt]

video is better for it, keeps it more real

[main dock]

How do you know my PIN number

[lusty lynx]

Well I cancelled my Odin 3 order. I'm just going to wait for an Odin 3 Portal.

[ripe stirrup]

Seeing the memory and Nand pricing trend now, it's likely they might increase the price on this or future devices for the next 1+ year, at least for the higher storage/memory SKUs.

[keen tulip]

good news for resale value if anyone keeps their Odin 3 preorder and ends up hating it

bad news for buying new handhelds in the near-ish future though

[kindred crypt]

https://youtu.be/ue2nEDpQ5hc?si=NhmCiYvboWlom8kc

[unborn estuary]

Incredible thumbnail!

[jagged grail]

are there any black odin 3 reviews yet

particularly for how the plastic resists fingerprints or not

[faint comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zb-E3vqx_k

[jagged grail]

lmao perfect timing

[stiff kettle]

Full crab?

Is that some Gen Z lingo or something

[main dock]

Maybe it’s eastern Canadian

[umbral heron]

Fan whine issue is being looked into

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1a6SgBzE95/

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1yHU6BgEgC/

[main dock]

all these handhelds are meaningless, now that iisu is gone

[kindred crypt]

are we still getting the gift bag if we also bought the Thor?

that's the big question

[novel panther]

Yeah i want my AYN sling bag

Gotta protect my virginity somehow

Hmm actually the branding is pretty stealthy

[versed pebble]

That thing is beyond ugly.

[novel panther]

I think it would look way better if the outer stitching was black instead of white

[versed pebble]

-# polish a turd…

[main dock]

i keep asking this question!

i think the answer is no

[kindred crypt]

I'd take free Thor/O3 grips if the bag is cancelled

[kindred crypt]

would this thing fit in a Nintendo Switch Lite case?

looks like no

[stiff kettle]

Doubtful

[umbral heron]

It’s a good bit thicker than a Switch Lite, so probably not

[tidal oak]

Prob depends on the case

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV11DUoBsELw/
Metal Gear Solid 5

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https://tenor.com/view/mgsv-bigboss-thumbs-up-gif-4799257

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1vQUZBCErM/

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1bLCpBXE24/
Sniper Ghost Warrior 2024, 720p, medium

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1nDSPBBEfe/

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1pJScBAE6q/

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/i4_oSarmo_U default settings again...

[kindred crypt]

finally, the video we were all waiting for

[versed pebble]

from ETA Prime ? 😂

[short gust]

yeah another useless video which not present real performance

[kindred crypt]

all other reviewers are fine but ETA is by far the most comprehensive and exhaustive reviewer in the scene

it doesn't get any better than him

[main dock]

Thanks for watching!

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1ZxSkBuEYA/

[short gust]

Black Myth: Wukong (month ago settings) we will try find latest today while testing

with stock tdp limit Elite, it can average 30 fps on that settings (heavy boss fight 23-25 fps) with good cooling!

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1BCSEBzEMP/ this probably the most demanding stage on entire game
Nubia 10 pro STOCK, throttle all the time, external cooling weak

[umbral heron]

https://youtu.be/AEmThOmbWEo

[short gust]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1YqSgBkEd1/ 27W cooling, 1344x610

GPU driver v842.6/v849 not system

for winlator cmod settings the same

[kindred crypt]

oh hey, first time we see the official grip, I don't think any other reviewer got it yet

a bit disappointing that the dpad is not more inset

I was hoping this could replace the rp5 but it looks like it's the same story as every stick top handheld

[wary matrix]

why is Russ bashing the KONKR, I have mine

[kindred crypt]

ah, Dirge of Cerberus is still not quite there

guess we wait for the 8 Elite Gen 5

[cloud locust]

lol.. Russ will make subtle comment about the need to buy the ergonomic grip for a console that clearly needs it but will rant 5 min for small replaceable sticks on other brands

[novel panther]

Yeah I was genuinely excited to see it! Kind of disappointed the bumps aren't textured like the Odin 2 Portal's grip

[kindred crypt]

oh shit PS3's mirror edge runs at full speed

the more PS3 footage I see the more impressed I am

[short gust]

another test with broken gpu driver ...

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-laugh-crazy-car-gif-22580177

early Elite driver
dx11 - broken
dx12 - broken
vulcan - broken
vs
gen5 driver (v849 the best)
dx11 - fixed
dx12 - a bit better
vulcan - fixed

[kindred crypt]

#nocontext

[robust chasm]

are these odin 3 big sticks good?

[main dock]

that stupid boss has an invisible wall inside that sometimes you cant hit him

[kindred crypt]

not as good as the sticks in the rg351p

[kindred crypt]

j/k most people agree that these sticks provide a wider range of motion than usual for this handheld size

not quite full controller sized but bigger than switch sized

[robust chasm]

2026 my goal is to get on the reviewer shill list

[main dock]

do you mean elite gen 1 drivers vs 5th generation elite gen 1 drivers?

or did you mean elite gen 1 vs elite gen 5?

[kindred crypt]

there are drivers out there for the 8 elite gen5, which also happen to be compatible with the base 8 Elite

I assume he means those

most reviewers say they tried them and saw no significant difference

[main dock]

in terms of performance or compatibility? or both

[short gust]

both

[main dock]

from broken to fixed sounds like a significant difference?

[short gust]

yup

[kindred crypt]

presumably, but it's not what reviewers are saying

[short gust]

will u hear guys who get /2 /3 times lower performance in some games vs my team 😄

or even other skilled chinese testers

[main dock]

what about the skilled russian testers

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most of them in my team

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https://tenor.com/view/alexei-stranger-things3-slurpee-gif-14520929

[short gust]

just wait until somone get O3, like Kimchi and u will see what it really can

it has super effective cooling

bc those guys really not interested in another Elite device

[keen tulip]

Odin 3's actual stick assemblies are physically larger than Konkr's, stick caps can't fix that

plus many reviewers have said O3 has great ergo without a grip, so it makes sense to not spend much time critiquing something that's extremelly hand-size-dependent

[main dock]

has ayn responded about the tdp settings yet?

[ripe stirrup]

Odin 2 's ergo is fine (not as good as stuff like steam deck, but still fine) for me, so probably O3 's ergo which looks the same/better would be fine as well.
Still has a grip ordered though as the accessories pack was attractive, and might just leave it on depending on how it feels in the hand, since the case in the accessories pack accommodate the grip.

[short gust]

nop

[cloud locust]

Not disagreeing with you. Totally agree. But over time Ayn always gets a pass, others dont

[keen tulip]

that’s fair

it was really disappointing to me how much hype the Pocket Fit got despite its glaring flaws, so I’m happy to see reviewers comparing it unfavorably to the Odin 3

[main dock]

looks like the performance drops even with this lower tdp

so even if it hits 7000+, it'll drop down to 5600 as well

[stiff kettle]

What’s this about?

[stiff kettle]

Some games for switch behaved better and got rid of some graphical glitches using 849. So there’s not no difference.

842.8 vs 849.

[short gust]

actually it not work like that

it just cant sustain as external top coolers its okey, but if u increase limit average and minimum perf will be anyway higher

[main dock]

maybe they lowered the thermal limit as the case got really hot

meaning the cooler wasnt even enough to sustain it

[short gust]

to make hot case cooling should be as max possible garbage

[main dock]

im sorry i dont understand that last comment

[short gust]

when manufactory use case as cooling solution setup (v/c+thermal+case)

u can see that on any phone/tablet

real con after they increase TDP to 20-25W will be only efficiency

when here we have direct contact intake / exhaust and active fan (+thermal pad and radiator) same as laptops

[stiff quartz]

the Odin 3 can hit 20-25w tdp

[short gust]

in synthetic?

max what i see 18.6W

spike*

[stiff kettle]

Wouldn’t performance throttling be more severe at a higher TDP anyway.

With max fan it’s still losing 10% performance after 20 minutes

Guess it depends on if the load is burst or continuous

[short gust]

not in emulation

benchmarks yes

[stiff quartz]

I'm staying above 20w in Gamehub consistently

when pushing it hard

[kindred crypt]

what's the battery life like at that level?

[stiff quartz]

I ran Tomb Raider 2013 at 120 fps/Low Settings for 2 hrs 45 min

my full video is dropping tomorrow

[kindred crypt]

okay that is actually impressive

I was expecting worse

[ripe stirrup]

Hmm, that is like less than 12w of total system power usage including screen etc?

[ripe stirrup]

Not sure if it can be further improved, but it looks more preferable to me compared to the high best loop and sharp drop/lower average performance after 15 min that the red magic phone was getting.

[novel panther]

The Odin 3 video I have been waiting for!!

[stiff kettle]

Yeah I mean sustained is much better than a phone

[stiff quartz]

I still think I've seen better from gaming focused phones/tabs than the Odin 3 (without fan)

I talk about it in my video but we are reaching a point that these companies might need to start considering better thermal management beyond just a simple heatsink and fan

[urban grail]

Looking forward to the video!

[stiff kettle]

I feel like with some creativity you could fit a bigger heat pipe and bigger fan or dual fans or something in the o3. And get better and quieter cooling

[stiff kettle]

What kind of framerates? Just ran benchmark and it wasn’t great but I’m not a pro on tweaking gamehub.

[short gust]

dont compare with worst phone

it has no cooling at all, they just do nothing

[short gust]

no, not possible

maybe u remember my stats

its not stock device hardware and software, and it was top tier external cooling (not liquid)

also Y700 gen4 similar has

[stiff quartz]

120 fps steady. That look like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, it's a much more demanding game.

[stiff kettle]

Oh got it, misread

[stiff quartz]

I'm talking more about vapor chambers and liquid metal.

[short gust]

vapor chamber on handheld will not work

[stiff kettle]

R&D budget for cellphone companies is probably orders of magnitude higher than AYN though

[stiff quartz]

they make a big difference for devices like the y700, Astra, 10 Pro etc

of course it would lol

[short gust]

no

it wok on phone/tablet just bc it has different cooling solution

they have no direct contact, and no direct removal of hot heat (they can only rely on V.C and metal frame)

liquid metal will work, but noone will do that, it will increase self cost, ask more complicate design etc (to make it safe and effective)

[minor sinew]

Rob out here speaking from experience rather than assumption.
He knows what's up

[novel panther]

Rob might have experience but does he have nine rectangles?

[minor sinew]

No he has something better
Killer lighting

[novel panther]

[kindred crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/sith-obi-wan-falsedichotomy-gif-7708366

[short gust]

@stiff quartz
GT PRO vs 11S Pro+

nobody can do better on Elite (here liquid metal) no external cooling, no fridge

so yea, Odin3 limited for no reason

[stiff quartz]

What are you trying to show me? I own and have reviewed/used multiple 8 Elite devices so I’m well aware of its numbers. I think you’re misunderstanding me.

I’m saying that phones and tablets with Liquid Metal and VC have better baseline scores than the Odin 3 does without a fan.

[short gust]

Oh, so ur on my point ...

[stiff quartz]

Yes lol

[short gust]

I thought you meant phones and tablets have better stability.

[stiff quartz]

No, I'm saying that if we could have the combination of a VC + Liquid Metal + Active Cooling

the numbers would be amazing

[short gust]

number the same as peak devices with root, i can teach if want unlock full power

[stiff quartz]

It's something that might have to be considered in the future for these companies. The chips are getting more powerful and as a result draw more power.

[short gust]

maybe even without root it possible on Odin, but im not sure ... we can check

[short gust]

yup, liquid metal mast have

Gen5 already stock 20.5w ...

AE (galaxy, nubia, honor) version can be around 22-23W (if they increase freq above common 100mhz)

[stiff quartz]

Exactly, the chips are more like x86 especially when focused for gaming

[short gust]

Gen5 not far from mature desktop X86 for real

even Elite Gen4 has similar CPU power as Core Ultra 258v (here mobile x86 cpu)

37W

[main dock]

most likely just using off the shelf stuff to keep the price down

[short gust]

also 37w

https://tenor.com/view/qualcomm-snapdragon-qualcomm-snapdragon-gif-18370120

[main dock]

but whats the score in russian

[short gust]

no cooling

if steam os will eat 15% in translation (same as steam deck), 8 Elite will be real equivalent to 258v in gaming and work 😉

[gilded edge]

hopefully ayn can fix the poor multicore score of the O3 on geekbench. 2k less is really sad

[short gust]

that not just numbers

they limit temp, tdp = less performance actual (maybe frequency also, not confirmed yet) also ram speed not confirmed (should be 9600mhz) perfect device for guys who can root and fix it

[lethal magnet]

Lol they gonna blacklist him once again . But I was suprised as well, I thought Russ loved KONKR, he even made some comments before that its basically a perfect device for him

[wary matrix]

Ayn paid him more

[tidal oak]

i dont think he likes the device any less. its just the damn shipping problems

cant recommend a device to viewers that they wont be able to get.

[gloomy scaffold]

speaking of shipping, is there any official information when Odin 3 will be shipped for indiegogo buyers?

I was trying to find some info but apparently there's no official statement?

I remember there was something about end of November but I didn't get any info on my email yet

[wary matrix]

yeah end of November it was, now we all have to cancel because Ayn lied