AYN Odin 3

[wary matrix]

I'm at -3 years already, technically

[tame saddle]

Probably optimistic considering where we're headed for most of us to be alive but

[wary matrix]

well, more like -2.5years, but anyway

[tame saddle]

Gonna get conscripted by the department of war to fight walrus in Greenland or something

[wary matrix]

Doggo buy a Odin 3 Ultra now

[wary matrix]

maybe they will send you fight some birds

[sturdy wyvern]

this man needs to stop talking to me

he gives me so mnay bad suggestions

altho it was only ever one

but still

[wary matrix]

the d-pad on the Odin 3 ain't SEGA style

[sturdy wyvern]

we agree to never talk about that device

[wary matrix]

I never agreed to anything

[sturdy wyvern]

im still thinking do i buy a rgb30 to replace the cubexx that replaced the rgb30

[wary matrix]

buy 2 rgb30

I still have 5

[sturdy wyvern]

but it means i need to get a heatsink, dpad and membrane from anbernic again

[wary matrix]

heatsink? wtf were you doing

[sturdy wyvern]

the batt is on the cpu

so a thin heatsink to offset the heat alittle

[wary matrix]

oh you got a V1

[sturdy wyvern]

correction

i HAD a v1

i now have a cursed cubexx

[wary matrix]

they added a pad on the battery, so it ain't touching no more

[sturdy wyvern]

but i still need the dpad

[wary matrix]

get a V10 d-pad

[sturdy wyvern]

point is

i still need get it

[wary matrix]

bet Powkiddy will sell ya one alongside their rgb30

[tame saddle]

No dice. Birds scare the shit out of me

Get that psych exception

[broken moth]

Do we have an ETA for this?

[civic forge]

Estimated shipping in November according to indiegogo

[summer oak]

IGG says November

[broken moth]

found it

[tame saddle]

It'll be here in no time

[umbral heron]

Ayy nice
I decided that in the meantime until I get an O3 next year, I'm repurposing my Android phone that isn't my main phone anymore into a super budget N64/PS1 handheld with some light Gamecube and PS2.

Just need to find a good controller grip for it. I already have an idea of which one

[versed dew]

I cancelled my odin 3 preorder adios amigos 🫡

[versed pebble]

Can you say why ?

[versed dew]

Toxic community (i was banned from the discord by a petty mod with a personal problem) after i bought the device & the screen is smaller than my portal so i think it would just feel like a downgrade , I've backed the ayeneo pocket ds instead

[versed pebble]

Banned from the Ayn Discord ?!

-# What the hell did you do ?!!

I understand not wanting a smaller screen though.

[versed dew]

I said I disagreed with a YouTubers take on the device & he was quite defensive so i said there was no need to be sensitive

But the mod was already mad because i made a joke about the thor being designed on chat gpt
He muted me for 24hrs & when i then mentioned it in this chat he then proceeded to ban me completely even though its was still muted

Anyway hes in this chat & likes to try to summon the mods here if i talk about it so long & the short is i dont wana deal with it anymore & AYN havnt been helpful atall even though its the 3rd maxxed out device i have bought from them so im just going to take my money elsewhere

[versed pebble]

Fair enough.

[summer oak]

Mod abuse is real

I got banned from the official Xbox discord for saying I used more than one gamepass promo code

[versed dew]

In pretty exciting about the pocket DS anyway i think i will get more use out of it

Im just glad the mods in this server are reasonable

[summer oak]

Yeah this server has the most chill mods I’ve ever seen in a server

[versed dew]

It should really be like that though, unless you are being genuinely unkind to people or breaking some rule that could jeopardise the server then people should he able to share their ideas & have robust discussion

Aslong as there isnt name calling or nastiness etc

[ocean perch]

You know that "mod" is in this chat right? 🤣

[main dock]

does odin 2 still suffer from input latency?

[swift nacelle]

Yeah he also already told him to not bring this over to another discord

[versed dew]

Yeah i literally said that

But hes not a mod here

[versed dew]

Why do i have to listen to a mod from a discord that i have no access too?

[ocean perch]

I know but why you tip toeing around names lol

[swift nacelle]

I didn’t say you have to listen to him

Just saying

[slender notch]

We should probably just drop it doesn't relate to o3 chat

[versed dew]

Im not tiptoeing i just have no interest in starting him off again

Someone asked me a question & i answered it

[ocean perch]

You can't expect to say that here and for him not to see it. You asking for a fight again.

[versed dew]

I think you are just trying to stoke one

[swift nacelle]

Agreed

[slender notch]

You aren't helping to be fair.

Next topic. Best O3 color??

I wanted Blue but not seeing a real unit made me pick black 😦

[swift nacelle]

All Odin 3 colors are mid

No B. Duck or Retro Power

[civic forge]

Black is the best color imo

[tame saddle]

You say that but it's really the only place for transparent plastic. May not be your thing but I've always enjoyed it

[swift nacelle]

I would have been down for clear blue on the Thor

Even better, half clear blue, half black

Like the aqua blue 3ds

[tame saddle]

It's possible. Just have to spend twice as much 😆

[swift nacelle]

If only it was that easy

You also have to

[tame saddle]

Thor should have come with some classic colorway. I'm just gonna make one instead

[swift nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gioh-fusion-yugioh-fusion-polymerization-gif-20084779

You probably need to be like a neurosurgeon to pull that off

[tame saddle]

Nah. It's usually not that bad. Just a lot of screws and moving stuff. To be fair there's usually only a cable or two connecting both halves. Can just swap em

[swift nacelle]

You know what‘s funny

They actually had the funds planned to pay for the moq of a a fifth color

But that thing looked so bad, they retracted it

Should’ve just done clear blue instead

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I get limiting transparent. It's probably one of their lowest sellers unfortunately

[leaden hollow]

Or metallic red

[tame saddle]

Metallic any solid would be awesome. But nobody does that

[swift nacelle]

Nah that would’ve been a bit too funky

[tame saddle]

I stand by my cobalt blue

Most OP of colorways

That said I'll do this instead

[swift nacelle]

This is the closest you will get to blue dual screens

[tame saddle]

Looks like a flattened blue turd

[swift nacelle]

I don’t know about that, but it certainly isn’t pretty

[main dock]

Where is evangelion Odin 3?

[umbral heron]

The clear blue is pretty much what I wanted, so I'm extremely happy.
With how cool I think the Watermolon color looked on the RP4(P) and Flip 1, I might've been interested in how a clear red would've looked, especially knowing the glass front is solid and not transparent

The mix of solid and transparent blue is genuinely super nice

[tame saddle]

I'll forever bang on about how I wish they used white pcbs

Or clear with colored pcbs

Guess some PCB modders just tape stuff off and spray paint it. Would be kind of a fun project

[sick basin]

Im forever orange

Love a good orange handheld

[lament adder]

when do you think some reviews of Odin will be available?

[hushed marlin]

my reivew of the idin 3 is availble now
"its pretty good, but why didnt you buy the Odin 2 Portal instead?"

[lament adder]

🙂‍↔️ because it's too large for me

[novel panther]

Some time between Oct and Nov I reckons

Thor review units are going out this month and it's shipping next month, so maybe something similar for the Odin 3

[manic wraith]

Ayn phone?

[wary matrix]

because we already have that, duh

[runic ferry]

Would probs bankrupt the company. Lots of certifications needed for gsm. Costs millions. I think aya has announced to hype people. I will be shocked if they actually release it unless they have partnered with someone like Qualcomm to make it

[trim fossil]

You'd also have to make a huge quantity to even get close to breaking even

[tame saddle]

Huh? Why?

You can claim much larger margins on phones

[wary matrix]

certs for Asian cellphone carrier are probably way less shitty to obtain than US ones

watch them releasing a phone that won't work as a phone in the west

well, at least the SIM slot would work for data like on tablets I bet

[tame saddle]

Also full on certs us is about 50K per model. Not millions

Still expensive and dumb. But not millions

They'd 100% target their own market anyway, and maybe include bands that can be used overseas

They only need US certs if it's planned to be sold within the US as well

[wary matrix]

at the end of the day you will buy it, because it's an Xperia Play and not because it's a phone

[tame saddle]

This is true. And if it just so happens to have bands that work on my service, double bonus. Lol

May just be reliant on wifi calling

There's also the chance that they simply collab with a manufacturer who already sells us certified devices. If it uses the same internals but has a mechanism that adds controls, certification process is cheaper

OnePlus comes to mind

Or TCL

Probably some company excited by the prospect to be first to market with xperia replacement

[wary matrix]

question is, what SoC will they use? the G-line is out of question, so 8 Elite?

[tame saddle]

To be honest they could go with cheaper and probably still get a lot of interest

8gen2 heh

[runic ferry]

You have to have carrier buy in. Look at huawei. They got completely rejected from most global networks. Here is small Chinese company who wants to sell their phone on your network. Think it will raise a few eye brows. So millions in the sense that the networks need incentive to take on these devices. Imagine if qualcomm is involved they will help fund some of this

[tame saddle]

Huawei is in a completely different segment then where an Ayaneo phone would fall. Heh

They got rejected because they would undercut every single us phone manufacturer through sheer scale of production.

[runic ferry]

We will have to agree to disagree

👍

[tame saddle]

Also think it's funny that you can apply that same faulty logic to oneplus but no one seems to care

So yeah. We can disagree because there's examples that prove that's not why. Heh

Using Qualcomm chips def gives incentive to allow a company to sell products here tho. I imagine Ayaneo wouldn't have issue getting qualcomm support

[trim fossil]

Id imagine the quantity of chips they'd require would mean they'd need a large minimum order. Plus you'd then need to look at licensing/regulation/marketing etc.

[tame saddle]

I think you're overthinking it. That's if you want to become a major mobile phone player. If you want to sell a niche device that is capable of operating on US networks, it's not that complicated. A lot of it is just brand protectionism. It's why you'll see many carriers allow TCL budget phones that sell a tiny amount here. It's not a threat to US business

Plus like, these companies already buy Qualcomm chips. It's not like you have to buy a certain number to start putting them in phones

[trim fossil]

Qualcomm is a lot more open these days to selling chips (or at least the modern ones). Years back you'd either have to invest a large amount or just buy an older off the shelf part

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I'd imagine with already working contracts it'd be even easier. Qualcomm probably willing to collab as well

[trim fossil]

Not a threat, you're right. But the start-up costs are what usually will stop a project. You'd either have to find a suitable OEM to get a head start or be lucky

[tame saddle]

Whose to say they aren't considering a g3gen3 5g chip or some other crap. Always trying to dominate a new niche market

Yeah. I think they'd likely piggyback

Most of today's mobile phone companies were either larger corporations buying capability or mobile divisions splintering off larger corpos

[trim fossil]

Also Qualcomm's hand has been forced in recent years to improve. I remember years and years back you'd only get a few years out of a chip simply because they'd refuse to provide support for it.

Samsung and Apple making huge headway (Samsung being one of the few companies that can actually pressure Qualcomm with their financial might and Apple with their chips)

[tame saddle]

Yeah. So I could see why there'd be incentive to bring the first gaming device with physical controls to market, for Qualcomm and other makers. Wonder a company like tencent would foot some of the bill as well. They did do the collab with Intel for the glasses free 3d handheld proto

So I think with the right connections it might not be an impossible burden. Especially if they focus on Asian markets first, and just offer some us band compatibility, etc. I guess we'll find out. Heh. Could just be vapor

I know Anbernic is looking at mobile as well tho

Anyway. Sorry to flood the o3 channel. One thing is for sure. As soon as Ayaneo make their full announcement, Ayn will announce the Ayn Hermod and try clipping their legs again 😆

[short gust]

tuned Elite tablet (tuned G3 Gen3 5400) 25-33% gain

should be close to odin or maybe it will be even better

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Pretty banger. G3xgen2 was like in low 4k on my DMG I think

Actively cooled tho

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/5o2vyCkTrpM?si=Sri4zPk1Yr7kI979

[weary kernel]

if the phone he's using is an s25ultra it should have a performance mode lol

[tawny seal]

The power output is completely irrelevant for that chip. Even power saving mode is stronger than both of the other ones combined.

None of the problems it runs into is power related

[novel panther]

In the AYN Discord Ryan mentioned he had trouble with his Samsung 8 Elite

People in there with the Red Magic 8 Elite had better results

[short gust]

ofc they will, nubia has a bit better performance but the same driver issues

samsung has worst heat dissipation

and overclocked chip just make even worst

[novel panther]

Oh nice, he's using the newest Eden that Camille's programmed to work better with the 8 Elite

[summer oak]

Switch emulation is nice but I already have a handheld that emulates switch games great

It’s called switch 2

[summer oak]

Isn’t this the guy that made the “don’t buy the Odin 3 cuz compatibility sucks” video

[olive osprey]

yes

[umbral heron]

I haven't seen the video yet. Is the point not simply "wait until compatibility improves before buying the Odin 3"?

[summer oak]

I don’t dislike Ryan retro, I love his enthusiasm, but I can guarantee he’s gonna be one of the big reasons Eden gets taken down

[novel panther]

Yeah that was before he got the new version of Eden though

Going off the timeline in the AYN Discord, I think the Eden dev started working on the new build for 8 Elite after Ryan's last video (not saying they're connected to be clear, just on about the timeline)

[novel panther]

Yeah especially with the Switch 2 patches some games have been getting

[summer oak]

I got nothing against the switch emulation scene I just prefer not messing around with shoddy compatibility

[wind delta]

A few other interesting things on my 8 elite phone apart from my struggle with super mario sunshine running really bad
GC with Dolphin:
Fzero gx runs smooth at 4x, but some lighting or texture seems wrong
Italian job runs smooth at 4x
PS2 with Nethersx2:
GoW1 smooth 60 at 4x, fast foward goes to stable 120 fps
NFS underground has terrible slow down in the menu (half speed at 4x, can't full speed even at 1x) but no big issue in driving at 4x.
Kingdom heart no slow down at 4x
Seems all over the place

[slender notch]

Yeah sounds similar to when the 8 elite first dropped. I'm sure we'll see improvements just no one can know for sure when.

Hopefully next year we're talking about how much progress was made and how much better compatibility and performance is 🙂

[umbral heron]

Wasn't the 8Gen2 also kind of niche and even thought not possible to get at $299 before the Odin 2 dropped?
Obviously it's not 1 to 1 bc the 8 Elite has very different architecture, but still, I kept seeing it brought up that 8Gen2 didn't have the same support then that it does now

[tame saddle]

Think there were some prior chips using the a7xx GPU architecture tho

Thats the main difference affecting driver compat

8 elite is the first chip with a8xx architecture

Requires more work to write drivers for it

[umbral heron]

Yeah, figured as much.
It's still surprising to me how much progress Eden has already made for 8 Elite, and that's with the default drivers

Someone mentioned in the AYN server as well that apparently Ayaneo is going to be in a meeting soon with Qualcomm regarding getting Turnip drivers support on 8 Elite

No clue how true that is, not in the Ayaneo server

[tame saddle]

Probably 2-fold. Eden is relatively new, so it's got that initial dev drive. 8 elite is just way more powerful, so it's possible some of the issues plagueing older chips that required more work around can be ignored and still get the same performance

I wish them all the luck, would be awesome. Qualcomm notoriously proprietary so dunno if it'll happen. But maybe they're feeling the pressure from Apple/Samsung/Google silicone

[umbral heron]

I think Turnip is also used for Windows emulation with Winlator/Gamehub/Gamenative, right?

[tame saddle]

Now they have a gaming centric rework of their line, and may be more open to supporting 3rd party drivers to cement themselves (monopolize) the handheld space

Yes and no

They can use turnip. And perform well when they do. But there's also significant effort there in just using stock drivers

Winlator is just more popular than probably any one emulator. So there's just a lot more eyes on it feels like

It also has applicability outside gaming, so I know people using it for other windows stuff

[weary kernel]

i always wondered with these drivers, is it best to always change to the newest one or is it sorta specific drivers work better for certain games?

[short gust]

in most cases latest

but sometimes older in specific games works better

[tame saddle]

Yeah. At some point teams or people kind of move on. And drivers are kinda left in a static state. Sometimes they're optimized for specific things

[wind delta]

The time spent trying out each old version of drivers is so not worth it for common users imo. Similar to trying all the proton versions for one specific game.

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I've only ever done it when I've seen one recommended in several places

[gritty temple]

Thanks for this. I find it quite illuminating. "More power = more good" is what makes the most sense for me (I have no idea how these things work). I guess we'll have to wait and see how driver support will play out.

I'm not worried, but it's good to know where things stand right now.

[short gust]

for now things now not that good how other can think ... but in future it will change game rules

If we're lucky, and Qualcom will start direct cooperation in terms of software, then there will be drivers and all the necessary source codes for developing various cool things.

Well, or less likely, it's Steam OS ARM will be ported for non certificated devices (it will also change everything)

[versed pebble]

If we're lucky, and Qualcom will start direct cooperation in terms of software
Don't get your hopes up.

[tame saddle]

Yeah. That's several bridges and maybe a plane flight too far. Let's hope for, things get slightly better

[short gust]

it possible, but chance low

but everything may change with the development of the ARM console market

if their popularity increases at least х2

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/6X-GEhup7KQ?si=j7D7W9m2fRy-aBFR

[short gust]

bruh i cant find normal video on GH5.0 with online games ... why noone make good video with multiple games (on bilibili nothing)

[short gust]

8 Elite w.o prime core

[main dock]

wtf. samsung s25 ultra 12gb 1tb is $2500 cad?! odin 3 24gb 1tb is $720?!

can i just use the odin as a phone

https://tenor.com/view/brick-phone-cellphone-saved-by-the-bell-gif-10369588

[leaden hollow]

Just give it a a year or so and the s25 ultra will be around the same price

[wary matrix]

you can probably do wifi calling, so if you get a small credit card sized phone to leach mobile data from...

[versed pebble]

RP5 next to a current phone.

It's not that much bigger.

[short gust]

rp5 goat

[versed pebble]

You'd be fine with an Odin 3 on your cheek.

[autumn obsidian]

Brother, clean your keyboard

[versed pebble]

I'm in a lab, it freakin dusty here.

[velvet current]

You're a dog??

Oh you edited it

[versed pebble]

I should have left the typo… 🤣

[velvet current]

Labs shouldn't be dusty

[versed pebble]

True but you do your best.

Damn sawdust. 😐

Someday I'll protect this keyboard with a membrane.

I've thought about it and always seem to forget. 😄

[velvet current]

I wouldn't have a computer anywhere near something that generates sawdust unless it was sealed

[versed pebble]

The computer is in a cabinet. The keyboard isn't.

It smells like work.

[velvet current]

... no seal up the area that creates the sawdust

[trim fossil]

Zach Morris walked so the Ngage could run

[wind delta]

Hey but Samsung comes with new AI technology that everybody's so enthusiastic about

[umbral heron]

Sharing the copy and paste from the Konkr Fit channel that someone else pasted in the AYN server already

[main dock]

ayaneo should make those drivers proprietary to the konkr lmao

[worldly sail]

Nah, that’ll just potentially fuck things up for Android games.

[main dock]

but how else will they sell konkr

[gusty river]

It’s nice to see them doing all that work to support their daddy AYN

[versed pebble]

-# They'll hire Whatever as a PR person.

[worldly sail]

By not ruining it for the customers that are buying it? Just so that a single driver dev will get it to rip the driver out?

[main dock]

wouldnt it make the konkr more appealing to buy, as it would have better exclusive drivers?

[versed pebble]

#1407320894317264896 message

RNS said it well.

[main dock]

they could package/name it as an emulator driver, then use default qualcom driver for android games

[dapper merlin]

As if they could stop it being released to the public lol the second it would go out it would get distributed by sharing

[main dock]

oh nvm. i thought ayaneo was trying to buy some drivers lol

[summer oak]

I don’t think AyaNeo is that petty

[tame saddle]

Hard to say. Recent back and forth been a little brutal

[ripe stirrup]

Not a matter of petty or not, ayaneo does not have that influence/power

Much more believable if it's Lenovo or similar

[fast scaffold]

I loved this thing

[sly zenith]

same! was thinking about it yesterday, honestly can't remember if I had one or if I just played the sh*t out of my friend's 🤣

[kindred crypt]

ok satan

[summer oak]

Wonder if I could get GoG galaxy 2 running on winlator

[short gust]

1600x720 max settings, Elite

[wary matrix]

only 200fps, we need more

[short gust]

how about 40w?

[trim panther]

39watts too

Oops

[wary matrix]

push it till it burns

[short gust]

2160p (4k yeah) Elite

[summer oak]

-5 watts?

Is that power draw?

[short gust]

yeah, it scene glitch

[summer oak]

Ah I see

What’s it’s pulling at 4K lol I’m interested

[short gust]

not much

gpu do full job

[summer oak]

Interesting

I got a load of games I’m trying out when I get my Odin 3

I’m interested to see how well gooner blade plays if it all

[short gust]

GTA V Max settings 1600x720 Elite

[cyan ledge]

95 Celcius?

[short gust]

Exactly

u will be surprised too of temps if on monitoring on ur device any

[leaden hollow]

Can confirm, Winlator heat goes crazy

[short gust]

V Enchanced

[summer oak]

That poor cpu

[wary matrix]

it's nice that it's generating energy while playing tho

[swift nacelle]

someone tell me how long a 8000mAh battery can support that

[summer oak]

7

[swift nacelle]

7 minutes ain't bad

[short gust]

2h

if 20w load will be consistant

[summer oak]

Um

[swift nacelle]

oh god, 20w on arm

[summer oak]

That ain’t correct math

[short gust]

just 20w

[summer oak]

8000mah is 12wh

[short gust]

it can goes 45w and above

[summer oak]

So at 20w that’s like a little over half an hour

Ballpark

[swift nacelle]

sounds like something you'd want a laptop heatsink for

[short gust]

if 1.5v

[swift nacelle]

yeah the voltage plays a part in that equation

[short gust]

now remember ayaneo

45w beast mod (useless but anyway)

[swift nacelle]

I'll stick to ppsspp and mgba for now, I'll check back in a yeat or two

[summer oak]

Okay well if I adjust math to Odin 2 portal battery it’s about 30wh

[short gust]

exactly

30.8Wh

can be adjusted with mods

[summer oak]

At 20w that’s 90 minutes

[short gust]

30.8Wh / 20W = 1.54H no?

[summer oak]

Yeah

Basically 90 minutes

[swift nacelle]

1h54min or 1h54% as in 1h32,4min

which one is it

[summer oak]

One hour is 60 minutes

You gonna be spending that extra 2 minutes looking for ur charger

[swift nacelle]

yes the 54% refers to 54% of 60

[short gust]

oh, yeah ur right

1.30 so

[swift nacelle]

so 92 minutes

or 90 with the expedition for a charger

[short gust]

my math isnt mathing today

[swift nacelle]

man burning through 8000mah in 90 minutes just feels wrong

[short gust]

[summer oak]

At 20w ye

[short gust]

nah, it fine

average x86 handheld result

[swift nacelle]

nah that sounds like some X86 activity

[short gust]

arm isnt effiency on max, 20w on arm is almost the same as 20w on x86 (no)

[summer oak]

Well if you’re emulating x86…

[short gust]

it can be only below 12-14w

this why 17.5w is stock limit for all phones/tablets

= 1.45h

[summer oak]

I’d consider sub 2 hour bad but since this is windows emulation on arm I’ll give it a pass

[short gust]

well we talk about almost peak performance so yeah (almost bc peak 30-35w, above u dont get boost, just lose)

but when dont need that much, can limit

[short gust]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1cFHRztEUg/

finally Farcry4 run properly

[short gust]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16iH8zdE73/ Tablet

https://youtu.be/VwCHsKJvdTc

[weary kernel]

have you got spore

[gaunt oyster]

Isn't the screenshot showing a power draw of -6,24Watts? Wondering were the -20W comes from.

[short gust]

sometimes it cant show true consumption

[summer oak]

Uhhh idk lemme check

[umbral heron]

Can always just stream Steam games from a desktop PC for the stuff that don’t run well in Gamehub/Gamenative but ngl seeing all the Winlator stuff posted is making me realize I don’t really want nor need a PC handheld at all

[civic forge]

Opposite for me. It's making me realize I don't want or need a PC

[autumn swan]

me to, handhelds bring back gamer inside me 👀

[umbral heron]

I will be honest, if we keep going the route we are with Windows emulation and it gets to a point where I can play nearly every 3d game at decent enough performance, then yeah, lowkey don’t think I’ll even need a gaming PC period

Or better yet, if SteamOS on ARM or even Steam itself on Android ever become reality

[light pagoda]

I am way too much of a graphics snob to rely on handheld settings

I'll keep enjoying my 5090 on my OLED monitor and use my handhelds for emulation

[ripe stirrup]

With some occasional exceptions, I won't bother (will just delay) playing a game unless I can play at least at a mix of medium/high settings while maintaining at least a locked frame rate (30/40/60 etc depending on game type) at the screen native resolution (or dlss quality for >= 1440p, balanced for >= 2160p).

But I have a huge backlog of older games so compatibility (playing without glitches etc) and ease of use (installation, dlcs, cloud saves, mods etc) is more important than performance to me.
Only run indies and quite old titles on the deck due to the above.

And some games are still best enjoyed on a large TV with a sound system.

[umbral heron]

All valid reasons to prefer what you do.
I’m not too picky personally about graphics settings as long as I can play my games comfortably enough.
I don’t enjoy sitting in one spot playing games on a big tv or monitor. I can do it every now and then, but not my cup of tea

Much prefer playing games on a handheld from the comfort of just about wherever I choose to enjoy my games, be it sofa, bed, my desk while I’m doing something else on my computer, etc

Might just be my ADHD brain talking here, but that’s my preference x3

[vague helm]

incredible when we know it's just the beggining

they need to add EGS support asap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAqaiL6Huhg

Why does he have no video of this with a 8 Elite ?

Could it be possible that the game isn't compatible with an 8 Elite yet ? or is it just random ?

[wary matrix]

obviously far more people have a 8gen2 device

[vague helm]

For now, yes, but if emulation improves it's gonna be worth to get a 8 Elite

btw I don't see RDR 2 on Game Hub, maybe it's not compatible yet ?

[wary matrix]

given that you have to use a pirated copy of GTAV to make it run, I bet RDR2 also won't work with the steam version

[vague helm]

Oh, it's why the GameHub GTA V tutorial on youtube doesn't show the steam version working

You need a pirated version because of DRMs ?

[wary matrix]

probably probably

I couldn't give a shit about GTAV, but yeah it won't work with the Steam version and I doubt RDR is any different

[summer oak]

You need a cracked version yeah lol

Wulff den went over that in his video

[wary matrix]

iirc he even bought it on Steam

but his video is bullshit anyway, because Gamehub has cloudsave support now

[summer oak]

In his defense he made the video before 5.0

He did make a follow up post but 90% of people won’t see it

[umbral heron]

I feel like a follow-up short is better for updating than a post

People are much more likely to see the short than a post

Oftentimes I don’t see a community post until a couple of days after it was already posted, whereas I will usually see the short show up in my feed

[summer oak]

Are there any dual screen add ons that would work with the Odin 3?

Besides RP dual screen

[short gust]

u can play rdr 2 on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9n938dcRw here 8gen3 LV

[summer oak]

You can play RDR2 but can you play the Steam version

Or does it need to be cracked

[kindred crypt]

well the Odin 2 just recently got an OTA specifically to support the Retroid addon

so I imagine the chances that it's supported on the Odin 3 are very good as well

but other than that you'd have to DIY

[summer oak]

My only reservation with that is it’s smaller than the Odin 3 screen

[slender notch]

I think all rockstar games from steam won't work. DRM most likely? I forget why.

Or at least the newer ones

[vague helm]

For which game ? no cloud saves was blocking a specific game ?

[vague helm]

Oh wow it runs over 30 FPS ???

So it means Odin 3 could run it over 30 FPS too ?

[short gust]

yup, even in town

[short gust]

technically it can run it 45 fps, but in real u will have tons of graphical glitchs

bc of drivers

maybe soon something changes

[vague helm]

Is it using the game's native low specs ? or does he use an external low texture pack as well ?

[short gust]

guys who completely run it on elite has impressive fps, but ...

[short gust]

stock game

[vague helm]

it's surely gonna change, GameHub 5.0 already changed frame syncing

[short gust]

yh

hope

[vague helm]

I think we just need one more year to have great perfs, close to a Steam Deck

And GTA 6's PC version will probably run at 30 fps too on an Elite 3 when it gets released in 2027 (since 2026 is probably for consoles only)

[short gust]

we already get much more on Elite

performance, than steam deck

but compabilities still a huge problem

[kindred crypt]

can you run Doom Eternal at medium settings at 60 fps on an 8 Elite?

[short gust]

if prop driver work yes

also about gta6 😄 eh, we need at least 3 generations to catch minimum system requirments

[kindred crypt]

I don't believe you lol, but I guess we can neither prove nor disprove that claim until driver support exists

[short gust]

uh ...

Elite power GTX1060+-, now?

steam deck not even close to them

[kindred crypt]

if you say so

[short gust]

TFLOPS

[vague helm]

It depends on game, right ?
Like here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njRyG8d47PA
Deck seems to have better perfs on RDR2, and support more levels of quality at 30 fps

[vague helm]

We need optimization to improve, but I'm sure it's gonna improve

Our emulators aren't using all the power the 8 Elite has just yet

[short gust]

yeah, we lost like 15-20% average and max

its a big ...

[vague helm]

at 50 fps textures seems to be better on the Deck than on the GameHub video

(in performance lowest)

yet the Elite is surely much better than Deck's SoC right now

[short gust]

it just need time

[vague helm]

Yes, and some money

I think Ayn/Aya Neo should either make their own emulator, or fund another emulator, or partner with GameSir

since it's entirely legal

[short gust]

they should just help them i think

[vague helm]

putting more money in to have more talent/people to optimize emulation/create drivers would be extremely worth it

[slender notch]

Giving devs their devices to help development is probably their best option

[short gust]

pretty sure they also support with donations

[vague helm]

yes, give they devices if they need, but help them more than now

the current barrier is these PC emulators not being good enough, if you make them good enough buying an Odin 3 is much more worth, and we're close to that

[short gust]

exactly

better x86 emulations = more sales on high end arm devices

[slender notch]

As much as we think these companies make millions in profit, they don't have money to pay a bunch of developers. They already have a couple of people that do their android builds and stuff.

[vague helm]

Maybe, but I'd want to ask them if they really donate (or not), to know exactly how the money flows around that

[tame saddle]

I don't want any of them to develop shit. I mean maybe settings overlays. That's it

Cause then everything starts getting proprietary or locked down

[vague helm]

Yup + no need to buy pricier devices anymore

an Odin 3 1TB is much cheaper than a Steam Deck Oled 1TB, it's much lighter, has a better battery life, probably charges faster, makes less noise

[tame saddle]

You see it in 3d printers, drones, e-readers, etc. just give me the hardware

[slender notch]

Much cheaper?

Not that much lol

If any really

[short gust]

200$+

even for weakest x86 handheld, which are already cant run anything new

[vague helm]

In europe Odin 3 Ultra costs 444€
Steam Deck Oled 1TB costs 679€

[short gust]

if rog ally u should pay more than 200$, and u will be able to play latest games on lowest settings (or a bit more)

[tame saddle]

Yeah. That's more like just cheaper. Much cheaper is like Odin 3 vs Ayaneo 1s ds

[slender notch]

$650. For SD with 1TB but you can get the 512 and upgrade easily

I bought a SD OLED refurbished. Was in amazing condition

[vague helm]

Yes and it would still have a lot of limitations + be a big brick + ROG Ally may have a worse OS than a Steam Deck

[tame saddle]

Yeah. One of those companies I'd trust refurb from

[short gust]

rog ally is shit windows

u can flash steam os on it

[vague helm]

It's one of the best options right now, if you get it for $400-$500

[short gust]

and get free performance boost

[tame saddle]

That plus indefinite support it seems

Steam deck still getting meaningful updates

I imagine valve will support it until it's physically impossible. And maybe even then do partial updates

[wary matrix]

if Odin 3 would be properly taxed it would be more like $529 but yeah, still cheaper

[tame saddle]

It's the one that I'll just keep no matter what. Just cause it'll keep chugging. Helps that there's tons of 3rd party upgrades and hardware available

[short gust]

if i buy again now x86, not expensive ... i will go for Rog Ally Z1E + 90Wh battery upgrade + fash steam os + bunch of tweaks + high tier oled pannel

[vague helm]

Yup, it would make it better

Also, that's a detail but some games won't run on a Steam Deck because there is an Anti Cheat, like fortnite

But Fortnite would still run on an Android device

[slender notch]

Well Europe has terrible prices for the SD

[tame saddle]

Def solid. But also work

[vague helm]

Do people get frequently taxed by customs when they buy an Odin ?

[short gust]

if above, it will be 200% Z2E bc of huge boost effiency

[wary matrix]

4PX usually avoids taxes, I only say usually because there always may be the chance of some especially nosy asshole at customs

[vague helm]

Okay great to know

I'm waiting for EGS on Game Hub, if it gets released I may buy an Odin 3

[short gust]

dont remember i say that here or not, but on gamehub u can now play forza 4

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1jgpJzoErB/

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1QFpEzyEY4/

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15vYNz6EAi/

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1sNhCzoEPg/

[unborn estuary]

With 4px into Canada, never. With DHL, always. All i know about the US shipping situation is what Canada Post told me, the shipper is charged 35% of the value, they need to register and photograph the item in the US shipping app. The receiver is then charged an additional 35% of the item value on receiving it.

[short gust]

@wary matrix

[short gust]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-wolf-animated-gif-5470088520818844208

[tame saddle]

Honestly with how fast x86 is moving to gamehub/winlator/etc I'm considering dropping my Thor to lowest model and keeping my ultra o3

X86 devices still give you that bigger screen tho. Which for some games is a necessity

[summer oak]

Windows emulation gonna replace dedicated x86 handhelds in 8 months

[leaden hollow]

I wouldn't go that far

Pc handhelds are still going to have better performance

[tame saddle]

I'm sure there will be titles that just forever suck in emulation. Just like other systems

[summer oak]

I would

[tame saddle]

I think we'll see steam on arm before that

[leaden hollow]

For indies sure

[summer oak]

Buddy

We have steam on arm

It’s called game hub

[leaden hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/soso-gif-18415516675238991064

[tame saddle]

It's an emulator bud

Not to break your dreams

[leaden hollow]

Still not ready for prime time imo, you can do a lot but there's still quite a bit of tinkering involved

[tame saddle]

I'm talking native

[summer oak]

Is it an emulator?

[tame saddle]

Yes

[summer oak]

Or translation

[tame saddle]

Which is what an emulator does

[summer oak]

Lol

[tame saddle]

Like it's going through a layer. It's not directly accessing hardware. At least not in the way a native application can

[summer oak]

Then it’s the same as the steam deck right

Right?

Wine is an emulator right

[short gust]

yes and no

[summer oak]

Oh boy not this again

[leaden hollow]

Iirc winlator/gamehub is doing an arm translation layer with box64, and wine/proton to translate box64, which is linux based, into windows

[short gust]

on steam os u dont lose anything on translation

on arm u lose avg 15-20%

[summer oak]

It wasn’t always that good

Wine/proton has come a long way

[tame saddle]

It's more what they did to the operating system in addition to wine/proton then proton itself. The resource management, etc.

Dunno if it'll ever be possible to get that level on Android

[summer oak]

Steam OS is just Linux

[short gust]

no :/

[tame saddle]

Yeah. And android is just android

Unless you fork it heavily your not going to have control over background processes like you do in linux

[short gust]

on just linux u have horrible performance

[summer oak]

You’re getting similar performance across Linux distros it’s not special to just steam OS

[short gust]

less than windows eveywhere

[tame saddle]

I mean that's not true, but go off. Lol

Bazzite wouldn't exist if that was the case

[short gust]

Bazzite still lose to Steam OS

[tame saddle]

Eh. There's differences

[short gust]

performance, stability and effiency

[summer oak]

Are you genuine or are you baiting

I’m having a hard time figuring that out

[short gust]

genuine

[summer oak]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-cringe-gif-17778800

[tame saddle]

Bazzite uses more recent versions of vulkan among other things. Which does have an effect on certain stuff

[short gust]

ill show u something)

[summer oak]

More graphs yay

[tame saddle]

Both use gamescope which is different then stock linux

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Ignore the charts. Lol

[short gust]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-wizard-cat-by-demonwolf-mage-cat-magic-cat-gif-2835561615176791073

[summer oak]

Is this supposed to prove something

[tame saddle]

But ignore him. There is additional features in steamos over other Linux distros. I mean you could implement them and get close, aka bazzite

[short gust]

u sayed linux distro has similar performance

[summer oak]

Yup that seems to be the case in the graph you sent

3fps difference wow

Game changing

[tame saddle]

Man dreams differences. In chart form only

It's like the matrix

[short gust]

nah

[tame saddle]

But instead of green lines of symbols it's in reverse and charts

[short gust]

on some distro u have 10% boost

i cant say similar

[summer oak]

All I’m saying is proton is pretty damn standard across Linux

[short gust]

like Nobara

[summer oak]

X86 to arm translation will get there too

It’s been moving pretty fast lately

[tame saddle]

Yeah. But the next level down isn't. Vulkan being the easiest example

[short gust]

To explain what I meant briefly, I don't consider them similar because in some scenarios certain distributions perform significantly worse than others, and in rare cases someone becomes 10% better (which is already a lot).

[tame saddle]

Does it make a massive difference? No, not usually. But steamOS also utilizes gamescope among other things. It's not stock linux at all

[summer oak]

There’s really no such thing as “stock Linux”

[tame saddle]

Again, you can add all of that. But I doubt itd be as optimized without effort

You know what I mean

Don't be sneaky

[summer oak]

I mean yeah there’s always optimizations to be made, even on straight up windows

[short gust]

technicaly yes

[tame saddle]

You can just be wrong too. That's ok. I'd admit it if I was. Maybe your statement just lacked specificity

[short gust]

but most of peoples will say its Ubuntu

[tame saddle]

"Linux with all the same libraries installed and days spent optimizing can get close" is a more accurate statement

[short gust]

and less will say Arch

[summer oak]

I mean Ubuntu is Debian based

[tame saddle]

Like fuck me. I'd never take on the lift of creating a gaming focused distro

[summer oak]

I’d never even think about making a distro period

[tame saddle]

That's like saying, why buy a car for free when you can just build one

[short gust]

i do only windows custom ... linux not my chair

[tame saddle]

But yeah. If steamOS on arm comes, it'll be disruptive. Curious if they'd create a new piece of hardware or just release it

[short gust]

finally somone make comparison

[short gust]

pretty sure it will be for G series next

not for everyone

[tame saddle]

Why?

[short gust]

bc they designed for portable gaming

push arm handhelds chance

[tame saddle]

Yeah. But valve doesn't really care about that. They care about reach

[wary matrix]

would be nice if Steam made an official version tho

[tame saddle]

The storefront is where they make money

[summer oak]

Yeah that would be poggers

[short gust]

it will not change anything

even if they do this

it will still need translation to run x86 games

[tame saddle]

Yeah. It just removes one interested party which I'm a fan of

Guaranteed gamehub eventually does more to monetize the service

[wary matrix]

just logging into your Steam account on Android and being able to play due to them and developers providing the appropriate translation layers would still be a win

[summer oak]

Unless valve makes all Steam games APKs then yeah it’s gonna be translation get used to it lol

[tame saddle]

Valve would do both

SteamOS on arm. Steam translation layer for android

[summer oak]

SteamOS on arm would be niche and most likely reserved for their own hardware. Much like steamOS is right now.

[short gust]

impossible

even ios dont run native

metal/etc translation

Feral.engine starts with any ''port''

[summer oak]

You’re preaching to the choir buddy

Don’t know what point you’re trying to make

[short gust]

dont understand that 😂

[summer oak]

I do believe that steamOS on arm is coming

Only for their own hardware tho

For battery life and or efficiency purposes

[static pasture]

steamOs is functionally a translation layer for linux.

it could easily be exactly that

[summer oak]

A bona fide “Steam emulator” on Android would be much more lucrative yet highly unlikely

[static pasture]

open source drivers + OS. everyone is expecting a steam 2 using x86… with all the windows emulation…. could it be better to go ARM steam deck 2?!

beat windows at the ARM transition too?!

[tame saddle]

Why? More money for valve

[summer oak]

ask valve not me

[tame saddle]

Ok. So your not really making any statement. Got it

[static pasture]

bc valve moves at half life 3 speed

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Cause they can

Obviously they're fine with their pace. No stockholders to please quarterly. And when they do release in house stuff it's bangers

[short gust]

Steam OS yes, will change everything

they can make almost 1:1 as x86 handhelds if want (the same layer)

[tame saddle]

That's why I do think they'd release it on their own hardware first

[short gust]

but steam client dont change anything at all

[summer oak]

Cuz if it was feasible they would’ve done it by now

Imagine people trying to run half life 3 on their $100 feature phone from cricket

[short gust]

no chance

[short gust]

yeah already leaks exist

[tame saddle]

Er. It is feasible. Lol

[short gust]

in dev builds arm support on super super early stage

[tame saddle]

You just literally pointed to gameshub

Man. The two of you in one channel is too much. Lol

Need a sniffer vs whatever channel

[short gust]

proton-arm64ec

in Steam DB (dev-test)

[tame saddle]

Like gameshub will eventually monetize, steam translator will be free (storefront is their monetization). The reality is there's probably no major benefit for that until gameshub does paywall. So they shelve it for a bit, and work on other cool stuff

[short gust]

steam deck lite can out on arm

[tame saddle]

A lot of their projects are years in the making. Cause again, privately owned and in no rush

[short gust]

with G3 chip, or even G4

[tame saddle]

And store is their money maker anyway

[short gust]

And it will be green light for other companies with arm handhelds

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Steam deck lite with steamOS on arm would be a banger

[summer oak]

Anyway

Mark my words

Gamehub and the like will have caught up by this time next year

[wary matrix]

Gamehubs motivation is currently more along the lines of selling their mobile controllers, as they kind of have integration with the app

[static pasture]

it makes sense that they’re working on, but not in the near future seems the most likely. i think you guys are just agreeing with each other

HUAHHAHAHHA

[tame saddle]

Yeah. But if adoption picks up and controller sales don't at the same pace, it'll come eventually

[short gust]

if not in near future, it will not be in dev build 🙂

[summer oak]

If you don’t pay with ur money u pay with ur data

[tame saddle]

People predicting valve timelines is always funny

[static pasture]

they’ve had the VR prototype stuff for YEARS

[tame saddle]

For all we know they've moved onto something completely different

[wary matrix]

or they paywall all 3rd party controllers

[static pasture]

correction impossible to predict future

[short gust]

they dont release it, bc cant compete with actual bangers

[static pasture]

good move to get cancelled

[short gust]

pico 4 pro, quest 3

[static pasture]

yeah. so like i think they’re is no doubt their working on. impossible to guess when and if the market changes they’ll insta cancel

[short gust]

valve deckard will out, when they do something better than other

[static pasture]

like i think you guys are just agreeing with each other c(:

[tame saddle]

Again. Everything valve does is to push people to buy games on their store. Once the technology is out there and other people are making it, and they can sell games for it, there's no incentive to continue

[wary matrix]

at this point instead of a Steam Deck 2 we may get an 8 Elite Deck with Steam on ARM

[short gust]

unreal

[static pasture]

not true. mobile market is much larger than steam

[short gust]

Elite not huge jump after deck apu

[tame saddle]

Even if they just have a rumored device that pushes other manus to make something similar that's a win for them, assuming it has access to steam storefront

[summer oak]

Yeah called the Odin 3

[short gust]

and if they want to make console for some years, it should get like z2e (but they dont, bc it will be expensive)

[tame saddle]

Did I ever say it wasn't?

[tame saddle]

And because everyone buying z2e consoles is still buying games on steam

Like their model is unbelievably fucking simple. Lol

[wary matrix]

doing their own one would make more sense tbh, Steam would easily sell 10x the amount even if it was $100 more expensive

[static pasture]

ahhh i’m saying steam is probably investigating it bc the market is huge and they have potential.

you’re pointing there is no pt bc gamehub etc already exist.

i c

[tame saddle]

Every piece of hardware they've released has supported that model

Also must just be fun to work on

[summer oak]

Nah it’d be cheaper to put steam in the hands of half the adult population for free

[short gust]

BOE announced new ADS Pro (IPS LCD) Display for smartphones
6.74" 1.5K 120/144Hz (2720 x 1224) 443 ppi
1500 nits Peak Brightness (HBM)
30 to 120/144Hz Fixed VRR
20% Reduction in Power Consumption
nice

new gen phone panel coming

[wary matrix]

true, but we can only wait and see

[summer oak]

Either routes are possible

[leaden hollow]

Steam deck 2 with z3e 🤑

[short gust]

with 999$

[static pasture]

isn’t this an odin channel

HUAHAHA

[tame saddle]

If they did another x86 it'd be a collabed cpu

They'd be dumb not to

[summer oak]

Yeah let’s get back to Odin 3 chatter

[tame saddle]

But yeah. I'll gladly throw steamOS on my ultra and go to town

[static pasture]

is 8 elite current peak ARM?

[wary matrix]

until next month

[static pasture]

what’s next month?

[umbral heron]

Elite 2 I think

[static pasture]

i’m wondering if the Elite X laptop arm chips would ever be in… odin X?

[umbral heron]

I think if the Elite X does ever show up outside of laptops, it’ll show up in PC Handhelds first before smaller Android-based ones like the Odin

[static pasture]

but didn’t they flop on windows ?

[umbral heron]

I haven’t really kept track of the numbers for Snapdragon laptops or if they’ve improved lately, so I can’t really say.

[short gust]

no

M4 is peak i think

[static pasture]

on handhelds

[short gust]

on handhelds Elite yes

[umbral heron]

M4 is the best one yeah, but it’s exclusive to Apple so I don’t generally count it

[short gust]

soon u will no need to count it, since Elite 2 will reach that lvl

[summer oak]

Outside of Apple silicon yeah

[short gust]

about Elite new, we know only it reach 4.4 mln (Xiaomi 16) in memetutu (so it should be on 4.6-4.7Ghz)

[summer oak]

Benchmarks mean nothing if your compatibility is shit

[short gust]

yup

i have strong feeling that qualcomm announce something for x86 on presentation

[vague helm]

It would be more productive to release Steam for Android (that runs PC games)

since they could get every smartphone to run PC games instead of a niche OS only for some handhelds

Both would need x86 emulation anyway

[short gust]

yes but phones cant cooled up

they overheating even at 12W

and u dont have options by defoult how limit tdp

[summer oak]

That’s what I’m saying!

[short gust]

gamehub 5.0.5 update with fixes

[vague helm]

Sure but it still works for every game released before 2016

[tidal oak]

Someone said wine is an emulator ? What does wine stand for lol

[tame saddle]

I mean both make them money. So who cares. Heh

[vague helm]

You'll still be limited and won't be able to run everything, but you can still run a lot of indie/light games with very good FPS

[short gust]

no it doesnt, qualcomm even on not demanding games can push freqs more than u need

for manual control u need root and brain

[vague helm]

I think you can just require less performance and heat your phone less, like you can do on games like Genshin

[summer oak]

I was making a joke lol

[short gust]

genshin just not demanding and its not emulation

[leaden hollow]

Win(dows)e(mulation) (I have no idea if this is true I just made it up)

[vague helm]

but you need good presets for every game maybe

[short gust]

power limit presets

[tidal oak]

Oh haha

[tame saddle]

But yeah. Most phones and tablets will be thermal limited

[summer oak]

We were arguing if gamehub was emulation or translation

[tame saddle]

It's one of the reason people are like, why is my insert elite phone here not performing amazeballs

[vague helm]

some smartphones already have these, but even if they don't, you can still limit things properly, you just need games to get compatible enough before that, you need that optimized arm layer, heat or not, to run games well and without crashes

something like gamehub but with less bugs and even less effort

[tidal oak]

WINE stands for (W)INE (I)s (N)ot an (E)mutator

[short gust]

Tablets can sustain 17w for not long time, Phones below 12W

[leaden hollow]

Yeah ik it's a translation layer

[tidal oak]

We need some Rosetta magic for arm

[tame saddle]

Holy shit. Emulators ARE translators. Lol

[short gust]

Oppo K13 Turbo Pro can sustain arround 20W not long time (unlocked tdp 8s gen 4 root)

[tidal oak]

Get Apple engineers on this

[vague helm]

Yes but a game like TW3 can probably run at 30 fps at 9-10w

[tame saddle]

I can't believe we're still talking about this

[vague helm]

Apple won't care about that, they'll want games on their App Store

it's their weakness, they are way too greedy to work with other platforms if they don't get their cut

They could have made MacBooks great gaming PCs but they prefered to fight Epic Games to the bitter end just for some $$$

[tame saddle]

Like the whole part of emulation is translating one environments hardware calls to another to emulate original hardware. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Like sure it's an additional layer maybe. But it's still translation

[tidal oak]

Yeah it’s dumb because apple silicon IS arm but just macOS not windows. But you can see a ton of Steam games run on macOS too. Like FF7R

[summer oak]

Whats the difference between translation and emulation these days anyway

[tidal oak]

One actually runs the OS and one doesn’t

Simple as that

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Runs to OS to translate calls from the OS to hardware.

[summer oak]

I can emulate plenty of systems that don’t have an OS

[tame saddle]

Yeah. An argument old as time itself

And gets nowhere

[vague helm]

They fumbled hard, if they were smart they would have Valorant & Fortnite on Mac and it would unlock the interest of tons of developers

[summer oak]

My point exactly

[tidal oak]

Retro system emulation is a little different as they were hardware based

[vague helm]

but they don't, so it's over for them and people'll stay on PC

• Android has less barriers so steam could have a real steam working on Android and installing real games

[tame saddle]

Like 3ds emulators run 3ds games. But it's not using the entirety of the 3ds OS to do so. Just the parts that allow that translation

It's all very blurred at this point

[tidal oak]

Yeah it’s emulating the hardware not the software

[summer oak]

That’s what I mean when I asked lol

[tame saddle]

You can emulate a single piece of software. You can emulate hardware routine calls

[summer oak]

Good luck doing cycle accurate PS3 emulation

That’s not economical

[tame saddle]

Good luck doing anything PS3 hardware based

[summer oak]

It’s closer to translation at this level

[vague helm]

what's harder with PCs is you also have to get installation/configuration right, because the prerequisites often need third party installations

[tidal oak]

Get an old powerPC Mac and see if it runs ps3 natively

[tame saddle]

What a Frankenstein of a design

[tidal oak]

If odin3 had a g3 gen 3 version I may have bit

But I’m skipping for now

[tame saddle]

But the charts bro, THE CHARTS!

[tidal oak]

Thor

I also have O2M and portal

Ayn shill nowadays

[summer oak]

Switch 2 and Odin 3 is all I need

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I went o3 just cause thors already coming

[summer oak]

I went Odin 3 cuz I don’t want anything with a hinge

[tidal oak]

Switch 2 kinda sucks for some switch 1 games. They look awesome on switch lite tho

[vague helm]

Odin 3 now = you don't get powercreeped for at least one year

since nobody will release an Elite 2 handheld before one year

[summer oak]

I still have my lite too yeah

[tidal oak]

Example: ff6 pixel remaster looks like straight trash on switch 2

[vague helm]

and G3 Gen 4 will just be a remixed Elite

[tame saddle]

Think it'd be g4gen1 no?

[vague helm]

and any Elite 2 phone (except the redmagic) will throttle more and have worse ergonomics

[tidal oak]

It’s consoomerism but I like the O2M for the vita form factor and display brightness

I like the portal for ergo w/ grip and large screen for streaming

[vague helm]

i don't think they'll make a g4 range

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/OU05F1Yk46g

[tame saddle]

Because 4 is bad luck?

[vague helm]

iQoo Neo9s Pro+ = the reason it lags

8g3 + no fan

[tidal oak]

If the switch 2 can play cyberpunk smoothly

[vague helm]

Qualcomm isn't chineese, and the "3" in g3 isn't the generation, it's the price range of the SoC

[tame saddle]

Pretty sure g3 is 8 gen based. G2 7th gen based

[vague helm]

g3 gen 3 is just a remixed 8 gen 3

[tame saddle]

It was a joke cause it's just a number

[vague helm]

so g3 gen 4 will just be a remixed 8 elite

[short gust]

with overclocked gpu

[short gust]

G4

[vague helm]

why is everyone saying g4 ?

[short gust]

bc its ELITE

[tame saddle]

Because that's the next gen in core lineup

[short gust]

different league

[tame saddle]

All g3 are remixes of 8th gen

[vague helm]

even if they do for marketing, it's still gonna be a remixed 8 elite

so it's still not gonna be worth except if the handheld has a better feature not on the odin 3

but the odin 3 apparently has everything

[vague helm]

yes it's why it's a scam if they don't release it at the same time as the 8th gen

releasing it later is just so bad when you just want perfs from those chips

[tame saddle]

It's not because of the 8 in the name. It's because of the underlying architecture

It's a brand new architecture

Naming it the 8 elite was probably the dumber marketing move

[tidal oak]

Should’ve called it the 9

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Cause that's what it is. Would have made more sense

[short gust]

the reason it lags, just bc 8gen3 weak for that game (when emulate)

[vague helm]

maybe they didn't want to make a "gen 4" because of bad luck in china

[short gust]

and 8 Elite not supported for now

[tame saddle]

Could be. I was only semi joking. Heh

Skip 4 and go to 5. Heh

[vague helm]

The GameSir should prioritize 8 Elite more, since anything lower won't run recent games well anyway

[vague helm]

i hope so, it would stop the reset every three years

[short gust]

yes

[vague helm]

cause next time, we're gonna get what, 8 Supreme ?

[short gust]

Elite have enough power to emulate 2077 30 fps

and above

[vague helm]

Yup for sure, especially with cooling, they just need to make it work even if it takes months, and hope that Elite gen 2/8 gen 5 uses the same architecture

[tame saddle]

8 Xtreme!!!

[summer oak]

8 elite 2

[wary matrix]

8 Elite Gen5

[novel panther]

https://tenor.com/view/trippy-acid-sun-gif-9500689

Snapdragon 8 Sublime

[clever halo]

Spandragon 8 Superhot

[kindred crypt]

this is taboo and no one will openly admit it but I suspect this is already happening and they are already paying the Eden people

[tame saddle]

I mean as long as they're not locking it down, I'm fine with them finding stuff

Unfortunately there might still be the chance they focus all their effort on Ayaneo socs. Which is kinda meh. But things done for the G3 or 8 elite should translate to other hardware

[vague helm]

But would Eden devs make drivers ? I hope so if they do

But paying GameHub or other PC emulator devs would be much more worth

Eden can explode at any moments because switch emu devs are unstable

[vague helm]

I think there will be more elite based SoCs so it's worth helping Elite too

I would just wish that partnerships with emulators, especially PC Emulators would be more obvious from handheld makers, just to show good will and that they don't just advertise their devices for Genshin/WuWa

I have nothing agaisnt Genshin/WuWa but I doubt people would buy an Odin 3 for that

[short gust]

Elite

[versed pebble]

@short gust Seriously, you have to stop crossposting stuff. We get it, you love the 8 Elite and you're willing to spend time and energy defending it.

[short gust]

O_o u crazy, im biggest Elite hater bc of poor drivers

but performance is insane, it obviously :/ (but now we cant use it even 50%)

[short gust]

or Ayaneo Air 1S, if it has space for battery upgrade ''38Wh not serious'' (again forgot about that compact beast)

[civic forge]

Immna be using my 8 elite and getting 100% enjoyment from it

[short gust]

in near future it will worth way more
normal investment (if u care about max switch and x86 emulation)

[gritty temple]

I don't get all the numbers and graphics being posted here. And yet they make me feel like I should upgrade my Odin 3 Pro pre-order to Ultra for some reason.

(I most likely won't, will wait for Portal 3 to maybe go all-in, 6" just isn't large enough to be my main handheld)

[umbral heron]

I think it’s fair to post videos and graphs about the 8 Elite in a channel for an upcoming device that has it, though Idk if we need this much lol

[static pasture]

but theory crafting is fun

[kindred crypt]

I mean everyone is shitposting about drivers but if all you want is a handheld with a 6" OLED that does up to near flawless GC/PS2 with excellent battery life then there's plenty to love here

[civic forge]

Yeah. I'm gonna emulate windows as well though

Having something to tinker with is nice

Plus I got the ultra so I'll have ram for days

[static pasture]

have you tried yet?

i’m very curious but i don’t want to sign into steam through random things

and i don’t want to setup a linux box to setup postmaster to test before committing

[static pasture]

are you planning on using gamehub or portmaster?

[weary kernel]

with gamehub can i just make an account with my spam email and that's it or does gamesir require my mobile number too?

[civic forge]

No idea

I'll figure it out when i get the odin 3 to play with

[unborn estuary]

You can put in an email, I've never had it ask me for a phone number

[main dock]

@unborn estuary do you ever get review units, or do you just buy like the rest of us

[unborn estuary]

Ayn is like the only handheld company that sends me review units at the moment. They've confirmed I'm getting a Thor and Odin 3. I didn't get a confirmation before Thor launched so I ended up buying one as well.

Thor soon! Very soon!!

[main dock]

I think after the Thor and o3, I should be done with android handhelds. For x86, waiting for rdna5/fsr4

[unborn estuary]

That's a good plan I think. You'll be set for awhile.

[main dock]

which are also supplemented by my dmg and rp classic lol

[tidal oak]

Ayn shill here as well with o2m o2 portal and Thor on order

Passing on Odin 3 though. Maybe a year from now when drivers mature

I’ve got 5” 6” and 7”

[main dock]

Thor will be my first ayn. O3 portal would make more sense for my collection, but I don’t wanna wait

[tidal oak]

I would also be interested in the o3 screen in the O2M form factor

I’m super excited for the Thor. Flip screens feel a lot bigger

[main dock]

I do appreciate the screen being on top (ie vertical,clamshell). But with the rp5/flip2, the flip2 felt weird as an android device cause the touch screen was just out of place. Was more natural on the rp5

[tidal oak]

Yeah I usually use es-De so I don’t use the touch screen much

[autumn swan]

At current moment i plan is to have couple handhelds for different situations: Odin 2 Portal i already have and i’m super happy, i’m playing with this at home mostly. At current moment for my pocket friend position i have Retroid Flip2, which i will change to Ayn Thor, mostly because of better performance for Switch and Gamehub games. And i want to try something like Odin3/Konkr Fit size. I never have this form factor with smaller size than Portal, maybe i will like it more because if better portability, but i will try and see. Grab Odin3 with Elite, to not have redundancy with Odin2 Portal.

[gritty temple]

I'm almost the same. I want to replace my 3DS and RP5 (which is way too small for me) with Thor.

If Odin 3 were at least 7" I'd replace my Portal. I use it at home and for streaming, mostly. Odin 3's chip is supposed to be best in class for that. I'm curious to see if it makes a huge difference.

So Thor on the go, Portal 2 at home and Odin 3 just to see what all the Elite fuss is about and to try streaming on it.

I hope Portal 3 will have the same or bigger screen than the Portal 2 with the Elite chip. Sounds like the best combination for me personally (hoping the drivers will get there).

[autumn swan]

Yeah, my dream is that Odin 3 Portal will be 8”. It would be perfect.

[tidal oak]

8” 120hz oled vrr

2000 nits

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-bright-light-gif-12102399198230618243

[trim panther]

Isn’t it VM on gamehub/winlator?

Oops hadn’t scrolled down

[kindred crypt]

how soon

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/r4qL3s8YTZU
The First Berserker 2025, 8 Elite

[unborn estuary]

Soon soon 😜

[short gust]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV151pFzwE4C/

[novel panther]

Hell yeah

[unborn estuary]

I'll post a picture in my YouTube community posts and in #1233778340037529741 when it arrives. If you guys think of anything you want me to test, just remind me in there.

I'm excited to review the Thor and the O3! I think both look fantastic so far.

[novel panther]

Nice, so like, have you been told it's shipped?

[unborn estuary]

No but they told me when it'll ship 😂

[oblique pond]

Hey everyone, before I stumbled upon this Discord, I was hesitating about getting the Odin 3. In the end, I'm weak-I gave in...

[wary matrix]

now time to buy a THOR and KONKR too

[unborn estuary]

[tame saddle]

Really only need 1

[unborn estuary]

Exactly. One good device is all you need.

[tame saddle]

I say that and then buy all as well

I might cancel 2 tho

Thor is really all I originally wanted heh

[unborn estuary]

Ha that's why we have the marketplace here thankfully

[urban grail]

im trying to be good and wait for time being. I have an odin 2 portal and that's been more than enough for me so far

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Portal still an amazing device. No reason to rush in

[wary matrix]

just let me drop 1.2k€ on three damn retro handhelds

[clever halo]

Im trying not to budge on getting the three. The Mini is great as is, I don't need the three

But 120hz Oled tho

[tame saddle]

I'm gonna drop the konkr for sure. Especially since they have an x86 version coming that I'll try

But I probably don't need ultra Thor and o3

[clever halo]

Imma wait till close to November to see if I wanna take to plunge to pre-order it as a early birthday gift

[urban grail]

if i do decide to pick one up it'll prob be the Thor

[main dock]

x86 confirmed? where?

[unborn estuary]

That's what I wanna know now too 🤣

[main dock]

prolly another hx370 so ill pass anyway

[sonic oxide]

Konkr fit will be a x86 device. Pretty confusing naming

[fast sable]

Pocket fit is android. Konkr fit is x86. I dont know why they're confusing things the way they are lol

[tame saddle]

By them. Multiple times. Look at the channel name 😆

[tame saddle]

The same time they confirmed this

I guess they could back out later

[main dock]

any info released on it?

[tame saddle]

Like of konkr sold really bad

[main dock]

wonder how much they would sell the x86

[tame saddle]

Just that it's the same "concept" budget but not budget but budget, same shape, but î inch screen

[unborn estuary]

My wallet can't take much more

Must resist... I still want to go to Japan next year.

So many handhelds lately! Crazy how all these companies are just dropping all these models all at once.

Really gotta just pick your favorites and go from there.

[novel panther]

You just need to be more famous Kei 🙄

[tame saddle]

Oops repeated some

But yeah. Still wish it was 6. But it's interesting. Moreso then the pocket fit

[unborn estuary]

Apparently! My channel hasn't grown that much in the past year all things considered. It's a hobby for me so I'm not worried about it. The wonderful community makes it worthwhile!

[tame saddle]

Mayce if Odin 3 didn't exist

[main dock]

has to be priced cheaper than the onexfly f1 pro

[unborn estuary]

80wh... Perfect size too... Keep an eye out for a garage sale everyone when that launches

[unborn estuary]

That really looks to be the best middle ground in nearly every category. I think that might just be the handheld of the year... But we'll see soon.

[tame saddle]

If it's Odin 2 comfy it'll def be mine

[unborn estuary]

It's cool how the SD 8 Elite actually has enough power to play a good chunk of PC games

[main dock]

anyone here do the 80wh rog ally mod

[unborn estuary]

@dawn lotus did.

[tame saddle]

Things will only get better. Luckily I have enough retro catalog I'll play with pure black bars to make it til it is more unlocked

[unborn estuary]

I think he's pretty happy with the results so far from what I've heard

[main dock]

i would rather do that than get a new x86 eith todays x86 selection

[tame saddle]

Eh. A lot of good stuff still running at 20fps. Hopefully by the time I get to it it's at least solid 30

[tame saddle]

Only one I'm really hunting for is a compact one

[main dock]

thats exactly why the onexfly f1 pro is the specific one im after

doesnt really get more compact than that

i have the ayaneo air, but its too weaksauce

[tame saddle]

Still hoping for a 6". But I imagine that's not happening until the 6" OLED becomes more of a thing

[dawn lotus]

Ally z1e + Battery mod and bazzite = perfection 🙂

[main dock]

whered you get the battery

[dawn lotus]

AliExpress. The jsaux one is good too but the capacity is a bit smaller

[main dock]

can you link me?

i havent used my ally in so long, im thinking of just using it as a plex server lmao

[dawn lotus]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_okOXNet

You can probably find it cheaper though

[short gust]

bazzite nah

[main dock]

wow so cheap

[short gust]

steam os

[main dock]

wheni first started looking, they were over 90 at least

[short gust]

rog ally z1e + 88wh battery + steam os, BEAST for low price

[main dock]

oh nvm. stupid aliexpress with the fake prices until you click on the actual item

[dawn lotus]

Different strokes for different folks I guess

[tame saddle]

Don't engage. Charts incoming

[short gust]

or switch 2 + 30Wh 8000Mah (N nerds just wont use free space) + chip (when it out)

[main dock]

different folk indeed

my life has been improved

[short gust]

[dawn lotus]

This is definitely the wrong channel for this but I got studying to do anyway I'm out

[short gust]

it has no advantages, and that's the problem

I really don't see any reason to use Bazzite instead of Steam OS.

[leaden hollow]

Well it's more of a stopgap for devices that aren't officially supported for steamos

[short gust]

I don't know, personally I don't care about official support or not, Steam OS dont work only on Z2E (temporarily, just wont boot), that's where you need bazzite
But if that's a compelling reason for you, okay

[short gust]

it has power for every game 🙁 but just raw not enough

[short gust]

Original Ally 80Wh, can place in any rog handheld, also other variants available in market (cheaper)

or make 3D printed / buy custom backplate and put 88Wh (soon whould out more)
Both variants will be enough to enjoy 25W power mod in AAA games. x2 battery life (stock 40Wh)

[tame saddle]

Lol. Just wish it didn't show up at all. Wonder if discord has that setting

[main dock]

same. but an improvement nonetheless

[tame saddle]

Eh. Some people like the distro more

Or the desktop env

I prefer gnome over kde

[short gust]

Ill teach u my lil friends @tame saddle @main dock , hope u can understand that simple steps:

1. Download custom Discord client Better Discord
2. Download plugin HideBlockedMessages
   Or:
3. Download custom Discord client Vancord
4. Download plugin NoBlockedMessages

Enjoy

[tame saddle]

I mean I don't have you blocked. Because occasionally you reenter the atmosphere. But I do have others blocked 🙃

[short gust]

I know

[tame saddle]

I save it for outright trolls