AYN Odin 3

[versed dew]

🤣

https://tenor.com/view/sneaky-smile-gif-21330039

All roads lead to you not getting an answer

[slender notch]

I sent a support message

Yeah we'll see... Lol

How long is super early bird for O3?

[versed dew]

48hrs

[slender notch]

I'm guessing 48 hours

Well if they don't respond soon I guess nvm on an o3 😦

[versed dew]

Really its the bank you want to talk to

[slender notch]

It's not even being attempted anymore and I responded with approval so not sure.

[versed dew]

That sucks

[sick basin]

Yeah im calling the bank in a bit then just gonna try again as a guest.

[versed dew]

If you send me the money I'll order one for you 🌝

[wary matrix]

374 Super Early Bird or does that already includes the 200 Super Fan?

[versed dew]

It's separate

[wary matrix]

so 574 Ultra, damn

[versed dew]

They have made bank on this device

I wonder what the sales are like compared to the thor

[tame saddle]

Thor was insane

So probably still less

[rich gale]

the number won't mean much when the tiers refresh and we won't know how many times have they refreshed each

[tame saddle]

Think they were at like a 20K increase in order number. Which isn't exact but

[versed dew]

I think that there is a whole market for this device that we don't really appreciate which is android gamers

[wary matrix]

filthy Android gamers

[rich gale]

so the only indicator of success is how many backers they get at the end

[wary matrix]

also those probably should run with AYA to get the spoofing stuff tho

[versed dew]

I love cod mobile though i have to admit

[rich gale]

odin2 was 2322 in the campaign period and 5165 in total with extra time

[robust chasm]

there's a bunch of AAA mobile games on IOS that will get ported when Apple exclusivity runs out

[tame saddle]

Wild that there's still some out there holding out hope that android emulation will die

[robust chasm]

Death Stranding, Resident Evil?

[versed dew]

Yeah im looking forward to TMNT

[tame saddle]

I know that's not what you meant. But it made me think of it

[versed dew]

Not triple a but

I believe hades aswell

[tame saddle]

Fuck triple a. As long as it's a fun game it's triple a in my book

[rich gale]

tmnt shredder's revenge is already on android

[versed dew]

What?!

The hades style one?!

[rich gale]

under netflix

[versed dew]

Bro

[rich gale]

the beat them up

[versed dew]

Im downloading that shit

[rich gale]

is there another?

[versed dew]

O

Na

Splintered fate it called

Its like hades

But it allows two player

Its really fun

But hard

[rich gale]

oh, ok

another one on the list to try i guess

[lusty lynx]

I think I may have found a use for the 24gb of RAM.

Ai generation on Android....

For real though I'm not really sure why they offered 24gb of RAM on the ultra. Unless it was just cheap to get it with the 8 elite chips.

[versed dew]

Its on switch & steam

[rich gale]

i'm playing titan quest, into the breach, rvgl, huntdown, deadcells, gta sa, halls of torment on android

[unborn estuary]

Amazing Android collection

[rich gale]

there are a bunch of games besides gachas

[versed dew]

It was because someone on the AYN discord was showing their red magic performance which has 24gb ram, & someone, it may even have been me I don't remember asked if they would do a 24gb version

[rich gale]

gachas are more popular though

[wary matrix]

because we complained about the MAX SKU and instead of just upping it to 1tb internal, they did this

[versed dew]

Balatro

Although it doesn't run on portal 😭

[lusty lynx]

Gachas games are fun until you hit the wall. And in some of those games the wall is like 1 hour in.
Genshin did a very good/bad thing in making the wall take weeks to get to. It creates more time to both enjoy the game and get addicted before the wall hits you.

[versed dew]

Whats the wall a paywall?

[rich gale]

yeah, because they wanted you to get invested so it increases the chance you pay

[lusty lynx]

Yep and a grind wall

[versed dew]

I was gna give genshin a go

Maybe not then

[rich gale]

it's the invisible wall that no matter what you do you have to pay to pass because it becomes insanely tedious to grind or impossible

[versed dew]

Do you have to keep paying

[rich gale]

gachas always get you by the wallet, they are designed to create addiction and then exploited subtly

once you pay it will become easier psychologically to open the wallet again, and once you're past a spending threshold you won't back out easily

[trim panther]

konkr is weird, where does ayaneo brand go other than add an oled screen when their ‘budgeter’ konkr has everything on it

[rich gale]

if you know you have addiction problems i would stay the hell away from games that exploit it

[versed dew]

Larger devices

Flip

Vertical

[swift nacelle]

Genshin is probably one of the more f2p gachas because you can clear end game content with older character but I think they tied travel/ movement mechanics to characters of their own / corresponding regions which is super weird

[versed dew]

I mean im a sober alcoholic & drug addict so 🫡

Maybe i will give it a miss

[rich gale]

yeah, no... stay away

[versed dew]

Although maybe it will be cheaper than my addiction to buying handhelds 😅

[gritty temple]

How's the Destiny gacha long-term, in that regard? I dislike having multiple characters, that's what put me off initially.

(I will never spend money on a gacha. If there's a hard wall, I'm 100% out.)

[lusty lynx]

Yes and no. There is a lower limit that you can hit to have enough to do all the content and events, but that limit is close to $5000 based on how long you have been playing.
It's more about the time spent grinding. Like if you have been playing from the start and only do the $5 subscription. You have only spent like $400 in 5 years, but you have spent at least 3 hours a day in the game for 5 years.

[versed dew]

$5k 😱

[lusty lynx]

Yeah, based on what characters you want and do you want the good equipment for said character. Both of which are on gachas that cost about $300 each for a guarantee if you are unlucky.

Now people who have been playing since the start and have done the $5 sub most likely have most of the characters they want at this point but power creep is also an issue.

Old characters get weaker as time goes on and the game will punish you for not getting newer characters to deal with newer content.

[versed dew]

Wow

I'll stick to cod mobile

[brazen rune]

https://tenor.com/view/walkhard-deweycox-youdontwantnopartofthisshit-youdontwantnopartofthis-gif-5603420

[autumn swan]

och, i just now saw, that in accesories pack not included case without grip 🙁 as i understand it is not possible to change/add additional things to the same order?

[robust chasm]

I will sideload Anbernic AI

[swift nacelle]

You can’t do it by yourself, but can ask support to do it for you

[tame saddle]

Addiction be like that

[tame saddle]

I'm assuming this should be done like closer to delivery?

[swift nacelle]

Nah just ask em asap

[email protected]

Not sure if there’s a seperate support channel for igg

[tame saddle]

Ah. Ok. I'll send today. Wanted the bundle and only picked up grips

[versed dew]

👀

Would that work?

[robust chasm]

nah just a silly idea, I think the AI is done in cloud anyway

[versed dew]

Ah

I was gna say i think it would be a different android version

[fallen glade]

The wall also moves as the game gets older and has more content. You really do not have to pay you'll just have to wait by playing more and have to wait for weekly resets to get certain materials to be available to upgrade your characters or whatever. Hoyoverse games are usually pretty good about making all of the content available up front though

[lusty lynx]

Upfront yes, doable is a hard maybe.

[fallen glade]

The gacha is very generous. I think it is huge that there is no weapon banner, just character banners. I just got to endgame level and it turns out the main way they get you to spend money is by making you pay for energy to upgrade your characters. If you are patient and don't need that node on your exotic weapon this very instant then you will be fine

I was put off by having multiple characters, but honestly it makes the game really fun. Each character has such diverse kits and that is a huge strength

[floral wyvern]

It’s crazy that on the Android handheld side in the last 2 years we have gone from devices using the flagship 8gen2 and starting at $299 early bird, to now using the flagship 8elite and starting at $299

BUT on the windows handheld side, we went from devices using the Z1 extreme and starting at $699 to now anything using the Z2 Extreme starting at like $999 lol. Even Z1E devices are launching at $850 now, WTF.

AND Z2E is a smaller upgrade than the 8elite 😂

Soon it will be more economically feasible to use winlator instead of a native pc handheld lol

[wary matrix]

always has been

[short gust]

Nah

z2e is huge upgrade in watt/perf (40%)

17W z2e = 25W z1e

that what really handhelds needs

[gritty temple]

Native Steam on Android would revolutionise this category.

[tame saddle]

Yup. Would be a massive change

[umbral heron]

Legit curious about how Winlator develops. Saw Wulff's video on Gamenative the other day and it intrigued me.
But with the main Winlator dev quitting (Winlator being what Gamenative and Gamehub are based on), it feels very uncertain now.

Steam getting a native port on Android would genuinely be sick tho

[kindred crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-world-of-tomorrow-futurama-gif-18101283

not quite there but in 5 years time this is where we are going

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/kcP-3fZ_F6g

not ideal, drivers make correction :/

cursed Elite with unlocked tdp

[versed dew]

Apparently someone has spotted some code to this effect idk

I would imagine that even if steam doesn't natively run on android there is going to be abit of a space race as such to get pc games working on the 8elite like there was with switch emulation previously

Now the hardware is able its only a matter of time before someone develops something that will work

[robust chasm]

Valve is working on Arm we just dunno what form that will take, it could be a snapdragon or it could be custom

[versed dew]

It would certainly be huge if they could capture an customer base on mobile

[tame saddle]

Half-life 3. Arm only

[rocky matrix]

Snapdragon X laptop sales would increase if they do that, heh

[robust chasm]

that would probably destroy intel

they are already dying

[rocky matrix]

(And Macs, but they don't need that kinda boost, heh)

[versed dew]

It's the obvious market to go after if you are sat in valve's boardroom

[tame saddle]

Yeah. They bungled the handheld future. Which is unfortunate cause lunar lake apu is pretty good

[versed dew]

Whoever properly conquers the mobile market place would destroy the competition

[autumn swan]

How long it is possible to cancel IGG preorder of Konkr and Ayn? i just thinking to preorder both, i cancel one of them when first review will be shown?

[tame saddle]

But good luck getting anyone to try it outside the AMD monopoly

[tame saddle]

Yeah. But it'll still never compete for high fidelity stuff. Like don't get me wrong. 8 elite is a powerful chip, but x86 still pounds it

Also watch Qualcomm chip prices rise if that happens

[versed dew]

Its about ease of use

[tame saddle]

SteamOS pretty easy to use

[rocky matrix]

Maybe Nvidia/MTK? Supposedly, they have a chip prepped for WoA...

[versed dew]

It is but thats if you have a steam deck

If you can load steam os on a tablet you change the game

[tame saddle]

Not necessarily anymore tho

[versed dew]

Suddenly everyone is buying games

You break into the normie market

Most kids dont have steam deck money

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I mean huge news for steam

But it doesn't make x86 suddenly obsolete

Kinda fills the same role it already does

[versed dew]

Suddenly you get steam on mobile & its a cash cow

[versed dew]

Im not saying x86 would be obsolete

[rocky matrix]

Maybe that's what the "Steam Frame" is?

[versed dew]

Im just saying everyone has a phone in their pocket

[tame saddle]

Technically if you chop the controls off a steam deck it becomes a tablet

[versed dew]

Valve's business model has always been to get people into the steam store

Not sell hardware

If you can put your shop in everyones pocket then thats a hell of a thing

[iron prairie]

It’s their vr device made for playing normal games

[tame saddle]

I know. I think we're running parallel here

[rocky matrix]

Seems more likely given the persistent Deckard rumors, admittedly

[iron prairie]

Apple Vision Pro but Linux

[versed dew]

They must be cooking something huge because the steam deck 2 would sell like hotcakes

So they must be brewing something bigger

[tame saddle]

It's not like gog and other markets wouldn't eventually make it on arm either

[umbral heron]

x86 will always have a place as long as compatibility is still better on it, especially on desktops.
I do think we're heading towards an ARM future for a lot of things however

[rocky matrix]

I'd argue it would be more like the Meta Quests

[tame saddle]

Would be hard for valve to keep it proprietary

[versed dew]

From a technological point of view arm is far more efficient it really is the future

[tame saddle]

Proton and most of its framework is open source

Well more efficient with less power

[versed dew]

Very true

[tame saddle]

It'd spice things up for sure

Maybe get amd and Intel both moving faster, which would be good

[versed dew]

But the market demands smaller devices

[rocky matrix]

Both true. Apple has shown that ARM on desktops and laptops can work, and while Windows on ARM isn't quite there yet, I do feel the Prism compatibility layer and aggressive marketing push of SD X laptops does at least show MS is willing to push towards the ARM future. Valve going ARM will definitely spur things faster

[tame saddle]

Maybe get the hx370 to not cost an additional $400

[rocky matrix]

Agreed. A pocketable device that can play PC games would be cool

[umbral heron]

I think ARM will be very nice for the mini PC side of things admittedly

[versed dew]

Can you imagine if they announced that steam was going to IOS 💀& not android

[rocky matrix]

Yep. See: the Mac Mini and that one SD X mini PC I forgot the name of

[umbral heron]

I'm on a Mac Mini M1 rn haha

[versed dew]

That would be hilarious

[tame saddle]

Again it'll just depend how much power you want. What it would do is probably kill off a lot of the lower end x86 chips. Which is kinda unfortunate

[rocky matrix]

Doubt it; they'd be limited to the EU due to sideloading for iOS only allowed in that region

[tame saddle]

But it's not like people use them anyway. Again also unfortunate

[versed dew]

Yeah i don't think it would ever happen

[tame saddle]

100% never. Heh

[versed dew]

I just think it would be funny

Everyone stuck trying to game on ipads

[swift nacelle]

the odds of me growing a third eye are bigger

https://tenor.com/view/tien-awesome-fkin-tien-shinhan-cool-tien-edit-gif-7171693473668315713

[tame saddle]

Trying to create a secondary marketplace on proprietary hardware/os seems like a nightmare

[versed dew]

True

[kindred crypt]

the current speculation is that whatever ARM thing Valve is doing is on its own separate OS, i.e. SteamOS ARM, so it's not necessarily something that is going to show up on either Android or iOS per se

[rocky matrix]

Yeah. I think we're already on a death spiral for low-end x86: while Intel does have Alder Lake-N and Twin Lake, I think AMD quit that already!

[rocky matrix]

Pretty much

[swift nacelle]

what is this cursed resolution

[tame saddle]

It sucks. Cause the low level Intel stuff is actually really efficient

[versed dew]

All logic points to steamos going onto android at some point

Especially as upscaling develops

[tame saddle]

Been wanting like a n250 handheld

[rocky matrix]

Wonder if this means they'll do another Winlator or Gamehub-esque layer to accomplish that

[kindred crypt]

we could see some android devices dual boot steamos arm, but it's not a given if the ARM chip valve uses is custom, or is something like the X Elite

[tame saddle]

Yeah. They'll def base it off a single architecture to start

Probably how they justify selling a piece of hardware to go with it if they wanted

[versed dew]

Anyone know more about the winlator dev quitting?

[kindred crypt]

more likely steamos arm will come and we'll have no way to use it initially until either they open it up or somebody hacks at it, but it'll be a start

[tame saddle]

Valve doing collabs with AMD, Tencent with Intel, would be cool if valve worked something out with Qualcomm. Or god forbid, MediaTek 😆

[kindred crypt]

almost guaranteed that they'll put out a custom ARM chip in collab with Qualcomm for whatever it is that they are doing with ARM

[tame saddle]

That might actually be a good thing. But I don't think they'd do it

MT that is

Maybe break the Qualcomm chokehold

I don't think it would happen

But anything to up the competition

[tame saddle]

The bonus off all this is what they'd have to release open source, meaning maybe a bazzite offering for alternative hardware

[versed dew]

So one day we can dual boot brazzers on out odin 3?

*bazzite

[tame saddle]

Coming in hard with that sus auto complete 😆

[kindred crypt]

I'm down for dual booting brazzers

[versed dew]

🤔

[tame saddle]

But yeah. Dual booting bazzite would be awesome

[brazen rune]

"Hey didn't you hear? Bazzite is FREE for the Holidays!"

[versed dew]

I hope the have joysticks compatibility

[versed dew]

You'll need a vpn ti access it in the UK

[leaden hollow]

Pretty sure Bruno came back to develop Winlator 10.1, the lead dev behind Cmod just left the project though

[versed dew]

I wonder what that will mean

[tame saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/bruno-vassup-hello-introduction-sasha-baron-cohen-gif-8163452

[versed dew]

I hope they make this the splash screen when you boot up winlator

[torn saffron]

They showed the module. Its a bit bigger, not quite full size and using the same mechanism as the mid size sicks, but they should be good.

Only question is how they do on tension. The mid size they use was already really low, an using extensions to imitate a full size made it feel really bad in my opinion, so if the tension on the new size is a little higher to compensate for the size then these should be great.

I started off using the 3d printed extensions, but ended up switching to some stick caps that actually fit. Tension was still a little low but they felt way better.

[versed dew]

Will these drivers work on the Odin 3?

Im just testing to to see what actually works on the emulators

[torn saffron]

Are you using an 8 elite. Because even with compatible drivers there will be variance from chip to chip due to architectural changes.

[versed dew]

No im using 8gen2

[torn saffron]

Well i think the 800 is one used for the elite in various tests, but even if it works for you then it may not on elite or vice versa

[versed dew]

Its a fair indication of it being compatible atleast with the game on eden if it does work

[torn saffron]

Just dont put toooo much stock in it. Compatibility list on the elite is small, atleast for now, even compared to games that work on stock drivers.

[versed dew]

Do mr purple drivers work?

[versed dew]

Im not im just using it as a litmus test to see if it works atall

[torn saffron]

Ive seen a lot of people reccomend them but ive only ever used stuff from kimchi's repo myself.

[versed dew]

Do you have an 8elite?

[torn saffron]

My phone does

But i dont test with it

[versed dew]

Why not?

[torn saffron]

I just havent felt like doing it. I have multiple handhelds that will run better even if there is compatibility with the elite.

[stiff quartz]

Just FYI, the Qualcomm drivers extracted from Gamehub are designed for the 8 Elite and will not do anything for older chipsets.

[short gust]

they will even not boot

Elite driver unique

[versed dew]

They work on my odin portal 🤷‍♂️

[earnest crag]

Kei had a great vid showcasing the power diff between 8 Elite and SD8G2 and how it makes an impact for Windows emulation.. But as for Switch emulation, is SD8G2 still the better chip due to custom drivers? I don't care for doing Windows emu much at all

[versed dew]

At this moment in time there is more compatibility o' the 8gen2 but the potential for performance is huge on the 8elite

[earnest crag]

maybe dumb question but do we have a rough timeline on when we can expect 8 elite to catch up / get custom driver support?

[short gust]

switch and x86 heavy bound to custom drivers

this why Elite has a big problems there

[earnest crag]

Basically trying to think if I should back Thor or Odin 3. I like the look of Odin 3 clear blue but my main focus is purely Switch emu. Not really DS/3DS as I have a surface duo already.. but I do find two screens to be pretty cool so it's a bonus

[short gust]

not ur choice than

get G3 Konkr

or ayaneo s2

if want peak switch emulation (not about raw performance, in games where elite works good it will ofc outperform heavy)

[earnest crag]

Nah I really want OLED. I have a Pocket S1. neat device but I do want OLED 120hz

[stiff quartz]

Sure, but that tells you nothing about how they work with a device using the 8 Elite.

[versed dew]

I mean it gives you some litmus test to see if there is eden compatibility

Things like hades the colors are all fucked up

[fast sable]

If you want switch now then the Thor is the better choice or even the Portal. Personally, Im waiting for support to improve before looking at an Elite device. I cant spend money on what may happen with the Elite.

[olive osprey]

o3p when drivers go wild ig

[versed dew]

Not really but logic dictates that there will be a big push on development

[earnest crag]

yeah, as much as I like the look of the slab odin 3 in clear blue, I don't want to wait on support. sd8g2 having dual boot rocknix sounds fun to play with too

[fast sable]

Im sure Elite compatibility will improve but its going to be a long road and requires a lot of work by the Eden devs. Im sure in a year or so we will have seen some good improvements. I just have my doubts that it will reach the same level as the 8g2 with compatibility

[versed dew]

If you take the progress made in the last few months & extrapolate it then develop will likely be quick

Look at the videos on the 8elite from a few months ago & the ones now, the raw power is quite forgiving in terms of development

Then add in the will to get it done now there are ayeneo & ayn devices with the chip & i think you will have alot of compatibility by early 2026

[tame saddle]

6 months to 2 years

It'll pick up when konkr and o3 start delivering

[robust chasm]

if konkr are still around

[tame saddle]

Eh. Normal Aya numbers. They'll be fine

Would be wild if ayn phone drops when Ayaneo phone does

[rich gale]

i learned not to get my hopes up in this hobby, nintendo can still through a lot of curve balls, or some bloke decides to take his life frustration on a emulator dev driving the person to quit or some work is lost like the winlator fork dev. we might also be on the brink of breakthrough and elite might become end all device, who knows

[fast sable]

Completely agree. I buy for what is available now

[tame saddle]

But yeah. 6 months earliest til probably parity. Probably longer until it's more efficient and integrated

[rich gale]

it gets so wild, so many people are so disrespectful towards people that mostly work on emulators because they find it interesting. it all hinges on the passion of a few people that are not motivated by money and they are easily dissuaded to stop working by hyperactive morons

[fast sable]

I cant stand the toxic people that drive away devs. I only hope karma comes for them

[umbral heron]

It really sucks that everyone else pays bc of a few assholes

[rich gale]

if the aethersx2 dev case remained the only one, but now winlator dev and proably every dev out there got weird messages

[clever halo]

It's always toxic/impatient people who ruin it for everyone else cause they want everything to work flawlessly from day one, when that's never been or will be the case. These are solo/small teams of passionate people who do these things, cut some slack

[rich gale]

or the sad fcker that doxxed the retroid representative. this becomes wild west very fast

[umbral heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327265081947459604/1355611873843740892/komasanoof.gif

[kindred crypt]

funny thing is

they could have put the 8 elite on the Thor

and that would have negated much of the reason for this one to exist

[civic forge]

Ew no, no hinges for me please lol

[rocky matrix]

This. I feel like "instant culture" has led these kinds of people to harass devs of anything over whether something will release, especially if it's likely it'll come before the next generation of something will come

[clever halo]

.....

[errant sable]

stuff like this is why the devs get mad

[clever halo]

Stuff like this is why the Android community gets looked down on

[errant sable]

the dude who did the cmod thing I saw that he also mentioned the android community in his message to the community post

[severe jungle]

Oh god, cmod man made a message somewhere?

[errant sable]

yea

[clever halo]

[severe jungle]

Oh god

[tame saddle]

Honestly it's one of those things I wish I had time to do. I contribute to a bunch of open source stuff. None of it gaming tho but work related

[severe jungle]

I had no idea. That's a fucking shame.

[errant sable]

my favorite part is the end

[blissful frigate]

I'm still on the fence wether to get the konkr or odin 3, really dont want to go any bigger than the rp5 atm I love that size, wish we had g3 gen3 in the odin 3 as I know the odin 3 won't be able to play half as much as my rp5 at launch.... decisions decisions 🤔

[civic forge]

Get both

[errant sable]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[blissful frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/balthazar-crazy-family-guy-fou-gif-11775947423386520412

Both is an option but then I'll never actually sit and play any games just go back and forth handhelds testing them 😅,
I do love oled but is it that bad going back to lcd?

[weary kernel]

yes

[blissful frigate]

I hope the live podcast can help steer me in the right direction

[olive osprey]

i have both pre ordered but rn i think im going to cancel the o3 and wait until elite drivers are running properly and a 7" unit will be with oled and 120hz
but that are just my 2 cents

[blissful frigate]

Yeah i get you, i dont want to have a handheld sitting doing nothing while waiting for support to come,

[severe jungle]

To clarify, that's this guy? https://github.com/coffincolors/winlator

[errant sable]

no

cmod dev

its a fork of winlator

wait idk

so many fucking links

but yea whoever does cmod

https://www.reddit.com/r/winlator/comments/1nbf538/after_a_series_of_rather_infortunate_events_i_am/

[severe jungle]

Thank you. Forks definitely aren't helping but oof. That's a sad tale.

[sonic orbit]

Can the 8 Elite run lightweight Switch without issue or would it be a game by game situation?

[tame saddle]

Def game by game. But without drivers your looking at a small percentage

If it has a PC port probably better to use gamehub or winlator instead

Think first party titles suffer the most

[main dock]

Is winlator over?

[tame saddle]

Nah. Cmod

[main dock]

Time to cancel?

Oh

Looks like Odin 3 is back on the menu boys!

[tame saddle]

I mean with any of these projects the risk of a dev moving on is always there

At least the driver team has several contributing devs and testers

[slender notch]

Ok finally got a contribution to go through..got the black max again.

[ocean perch]

Who doesn't back up their work? Sounds mad sus. Maybe he just wanted to quit and just made that up.

[leaden hollow]

Actually nvm winlator cmod isn't ending

[severe jungle]

May I ask for a link to that one?

[leaden hollow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/winlator/s/PNXzNtGWVw

[ripe stirrup]

situation sounds as messy as the actual usage of the app (and all the forks)

[errant sable]

this community loves messy tho lol

the best part about these handhelds is tinkering!

setting up the emu's and making your library look fancy

or maybe its just me

made my rp4p a pure ps1/psp machine

[tame saddle]

It is kinda nutty. Might just be a side hobby tho. Anyone who works as a dev full time pushes their code several times a day

Tho I have met new hires who don't know what version control is so maybe he was green

[fringe frigate]

Willfully starting a game that you know is trying to make you addicted to manipulate you into spending money on it, is quite idiotic

I'm good, there is no shortage of cute anime girl games

Some of them even show you boobs

[ocean perch]

Yea you don't need to be a dev to know back up your work often. Its a blatant made up lie to "excuse" himself. Its like "my dog ate my homework" excuse lol

[tame saddle]

It is wild. But I know life long career devs who do some dumb shit so I have no clue what actually happened

Even with smart practices we've all been through losing code. But usually it's something that at most takes a week to rewrite and usually we do it better the second time. Heh

[versed dew]

Hilarious that the other guy had such hard main character syndrome that he basically said without me cmod is dead 🤣

[gaunt narwhal]

It's pretty standard to back up your work. But standards vary a lot. I've seen serious teams at companies that own git repo companies that pass code around via usb key because getting a git repo requires executive approval

[novel panther]

There's 9 Max Super Fans and 5 Ultra Super Fans available

[dark sundial]

I am surprised they are not sold out yet. I guess not many people got the links

[ripe stirrup]

they were, but people making changes/refunding, there were issue with refund button earlier

[autumn swan]

it was sold out, but some people like me were preorder couple different or by mistake ordered without accesories pack and etc, then they ordered again, and now because canceled, there are again option to choose super fan discount.

[wary matrix]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/3345199/x/26364276?secret_perk_token=ccbee811

9 Super Fan ODIN PRO 12/256 for $349 are also left (opened up again)

@sturdy wyvern

[tired harbor]

You tempted me with those remaining SF… but no, I want 4:3 🤔

[rich gale]

yeah, but max is where you have to aim for 8elite, since is better for winlator and winlator containers take a lot of space i feel that 256gb internal storage is too restricting

in other news i need to get off discord until super fan/super early bird is over otherwise i'm too tempted

[novel panther]

If you just bought one then you'd no longer be tempted to buy one

[fast sable]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[rich gale]

i bought Thor, i guess it counts

i just need it in my hands, like, yesterday!

[fast sable]

Ive been tempted as well but the Thor is plenty for me

[novel panther]

Thor's gonna owwwnnn

[rich gale]

i already said that i have more games to play than time on hand

[wary matrix]

Odin 3 is doing quite nicely

102 Base SEB
260 Pro SEB + 194 SF
329 Max SEB + 200 SF
441 Ultra SEB + 200 SF

[novel panther]

Yeah... Like I'm looking forward to the Thor, but by the time I get it, Demonschool will finally be out and I'll want to be playing that lol

And as soon as Slay the Spire II early access drops this year, it's over for me

[rich gale]

some backers double dipped, sum is 1726, backers are 1619

[novel panther]

Yeah I was one of those idiots. Used the Super Fan link but clicked on the Super Early Bird option.

[rich gale]

also be careful because when the tiers reset you won't know how many times they reset and you can loose count. i'm glad that this looks like it will be a successful campaign

though if they had a 8gen3 alternative it would've satisfied everyone even better

[wary matrix]

meanwhile the poor KONKR

G3 Gen3
34 8/128
56 12/256
11 16/512
13 16/1024

8 Elite
16 8/128
18 12/256
27 16/512
26 24/1024
8 Duck

😅

and I'm the odd one out, because I belong to the lowest selling bunch (B Duck aside)

[rich gale]

i would suggest not to dunk on ayaneo if we can, it's good that there is competition, without it the prices would be higher for sure

[novel panther]

There's still time for you to cancel your smelly non-OLED device

[wary matrix]

I'm tempted to buy two more so the baker numbers ain't so sad

[rich gale]

they fumbled the campaign, they god blindsided by AYN with their custom oled and they scrambled to salvage the campaign, also it is a bit deserving since they still haven't finished the pocket s2/ pocket ace deliveries, so they get people worried

[wary matrix]

well, it was pretty obvious that they ran into issues with the ACE production, Pocket S2 should also have moved faster, but at least they shipped quite a bunch since last Saturday

at worst you will wait a month longer than planned I bet... which is quite normal for IGG stuff tbh

[rich gale]

for the impatient people here you think a month delay is ok? you must not know nerd behaviour

people were complaining when retroid stated that hey need a few days to start shipping the RDS, it almost became a shitshow

[wary matrix]

Retroid is a bunch of fuck ups and people still buy

[novel panther]

People are gonna be angry cause it'll be shipping over christmas and new year, then there's Chinese New Year end of Jan where nothing ships

[wary matrix]

I'm so glad I cancelled my 3 RDS

[wary matrix]

the Elite yeah, G3 Gen3 ships next month

[rich gale]

i'm still baffled how people still believe that AYN and Retroid are the same company since they are so freaking different

[novel panther]

Ahh

[rich gale]

they use same manufacturers, they use same company that writes software or designs stuff, but they are managed by completely different people and it shows

[novel panther]

They're both owned by Moorechip right? Or is that just what people say?

[rich gale]

they are part of a group

[novel panther]

Yeah true. I don't trust Retroid at all these days, but AYN I feel have earned at least cautious trust in the past few releases

[rich gale]

but act independent as far as i can see from the quality of the devices. there is no retroid launch with at least one major fuckup

[wary matrix]

I still have doubts about the hinge on the THOR

[rich gale]

it looks that they implemented the rounding of that corner for retroid so i guess ayn will inherit that improvemend, at least it is hard for a crack to start in the middle of a rounded corner compared to a 90 degree corner

maybe is just copium

[novel panther]

Yeah no way to know until a few months after people have had them i suppose

[wary matrix]

wait they changed the mold on the Flip2?

[rich gale]

at least i know that if the hinge goes either we will know if purple is affected and can switch or get an odin3 as compensation, right?

[rich gale]

might be real, might be wishful thinking

[wary matrix]

interesting, where is my new unit?

[worldly sail]

Dude, you needed to ask them for it.

[wary matrix]

mine ain't broken (yet)

[worldly sail]

Hell, I think you still can.

Ah.

[versed pebble]

I'm starting to think that the Ultra really makes sense. 🤨

The 8 more gigs of RAM may not be that useful but get 512GB more storage for ~60€… which is pretty much the price of a good 512GB SD card, but which faster access speed, PLUS you can still add another TB if you want.

Granted, 2TB of storage on an Android device is… questionable, but let's face it : people who want this kind of high-end handheld are going to store PS3/Switch/Windows games on it, and those can fill up 512 really fast.

EXCEPT it's 425€.

It's way too close to Steam Deck prices. 😐

[wary matrix]

407€ if you woke up early enough

[versed pebble]

?

SEB here shows 425€, is there another discount ?

[wary matrix]

there was Super Fan

$20 off

[versed pebble]

Oh OK. Awoke too late. 🤣

[wary matrix]

but that was only like the first 5 hours then they run out

[novel panther]

There's two Super Fan Pros left

But yeah Ultra is the choice

[wary matrix]

if you are lucky you could probably cheat the system by asking them to upgrade your perk to max a few weeks later

[versed pebble]

And if I had to take the inexpensive route, I'd probably get the 200€ base Konkr.

[versed pebble]

For free ?!

[wary matrix]

by paying them the difference obviously

[versed pebble]

Heh.

[wary matrix]

but they usually retain the perk discount

[versed pebble]

I really dislike the idea of crowdfunding stuff for established companies. It feels like a weird lottery?

[trim fossil]

I think it makes sense in times of development when you're not sure of how it'll go but yeah if it's just a means to fund yourself

[gritty temple]

Oh the sweet little lies we tell ourselves to buy more tech toys.

(Not judging, I'm just like this too.)

[versed pebble]

I don't think I'll buy one (no time to play).

Just thinking logically.

[tame saddle]

That's wild. Imagine that increases dev time significantly. Not to mention being annoying af

I need to try and cancel my super friends max today

[gaunt narwhal]

It was a reasearch team, so more time doing math than pushing PRs. But yeah - it was an efficiency hit. But not a huge one. For the sort of code that an LLM could generate at something like 95% quality, it would be.

[tame saddle]

But any decent research team would host a gitlab instance off network at least. I could see maybe lack of effort in a university setting. I worked R&D for 10 years

But yeah. Like you said, standards vary everywhere

I just can't imagine collaborating on any code without some centralized vc

[kindred crypt]

can confirm, worked on a hobby project that blew up when computer died with no backups

that was many years ago, less common these days to forget to backup, but if it's a hobby project it can happen

[tame saddle]

Yeah. So it's not that crazy. But for something like this that has GitHub repos I'd at least be working from a private fork

Feel like it becomes much more of a thought and less afterthought once you have users depending on it

[gaunt narwhal]

There's a bunch of assumptions here that I have a lot of empathy for, but that aren't accurate

• ~8-person Industrial research team whose algorithms provide $1B+ to bottom line
• Everyone comes from academia
• Collaboration was much more math / theory than code. The team's whole code output could be written in about half an hour by a senior undergrad. But deciding exactly what the algorithm should be was significantly more complicated

My friend, who was the only person on that team without a PhD, couldn't handle the level of infrastructure silliness on it and left

[lethal magnet]

How to get Super Fan discoumt this time?

[worldly sail]

If some other people can still manage to like the trash MiniLED on the O2 Mini, no one gets to diss IPS.

[worldly sail]

…Why the hell were you buying 3 RDS’s?

[wary matrix]

ordering like 36hours ago, if you scroll up there may still be a Super Fan Odin 3 Pro for $349 available tho

[tame saddle]

So why share code at all? Lol. This doesn't sound like code sharing

[wary matrix]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/3345199/x/26364276?secret_perk_token=ccbee811

last one @lethal magnet

[tame saddle]

And standing up gitlab is dumb easy. I'm sure your friend could handle it

Can run on a toaster at this point

I mean could run on a toaster 10 years ago too

[gaunt narwhal]

So - why share code at all? Because there's 8 people, not 1, and laptops can die. Basically, exactly the same reason that you share code in an academic setting

not the sort of real collaboration you think of, more "backup and parallel copies"

[tame saddle]

But you said a senior undergrad could write in a half hour. That's under 100 lines of code

[gaunt narwhal]

as for how easy it is? 100%. It's dead easy to do source control. It's so easy that it's harder not to do it

[gaunt narwhal]

yes. But still enough that manually copying it from person to person would introduce errors

[tame saddle]

Also what. They were developing these algorithms on laptops?

[gaunt narwhal]

yes

My friend would have gotten into HUGE trouble for setting up gitlab. But only because the company had recently bought github

[slender notch]

Oh pro SF still around.... But I ordered a max.

[tame saddle]

I dunno. I think the lift is a lot smaller than people think. Take extra laptop (or toaster) park in a room, occasionally sync code

[gaunt narwhal]

but setting up an internal github repo required executive approval

[tame saddle]

Better than having to personally meet up with people to share usbs

[gaunt narwhal]

and their executive was in a fight with the relevant executive whose approval was needed

[tame saddle]

Usbs are way less secure as well. If we're assuming this is a security thing

[gaunt narwhal]

I think they also used email

meeting up was easier, this was before remote work was normal

and I'm not going to say email is secure. email is easily more secure than signatures for checks, and that's about it

my point was only that even in a corporate environment with a ton of value that had every reason to be as sophisticated as anything in the world, I've seen unimaginably, indefensibly unsophisticated source control practices becasue of human silliness

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I dunno. Seems sloppy for something valued in billions. But academics gonna academic

Write everything in matlab

And then expect it to be deployable

[gaunt narwhal]

I think matlab may have been the language of choice for these algorithms

[tame saddle]

What I've seen on submarines is scary. Let's just say that. Lol

[gaunt narwhal]

That I have no trouble believing. I got a taste when the CIA offered me a postdoc. Hard pass for family reasons

in any case, it's very easy to believe almost any degree of unprofessional conduct or technical choice in an open source project, becasue it's very easy to believe it almost any and everywhere

[tame saddle]

But yeah. My friend whose a data scientist worked for Google. And not using VC even for personal projects would get you shot. Lol

Luckily it seems more common now

At least common with presentations at scipy so academics can be taught. Heh

And I'm talking completely not open source. Plenty of reasons to use VC and plenty of stuff you can run sans internet

[gaunt narwhal]

Can confirm. Google was NOT this way. They had one standard for industrial conduct, and it was unwaveringly strict

[tame saddle]

For good reason. Lost code, or long conflict resolution, on billion dollar projects is costly

[gaunt narwhal]

I don't know. I think there's arguments to be made that a monorepo of that size has some serious drawbacks, mostly on velocity. But's a great way to ensure the kind of robustness and uptime that I usually associated with their products.

[wind delta]

What kind of research groups were you guys in? Most research groups I interracted with had terrible handling of code and knowledge retention was also terrible. Some programs were like impossible to launch 😂 I even had used a software with a welcome message "I am surprised you got it to work" and its manual was blue text on blue background

[novel panther]

Your eyes deserve OLED!

[tame saddle]

100%. I worked primarily on PhD teams and this was pretty universal. That said, anything worth money should be backed up somewhere other than a USB 😆

Our PhDs at least did that

[summer oak]

Should I get highest tier Odin 3

[swift nacelle]

Im just gonna leave this here ;))

[summer oak]

Wait Odin 3 had pwm

Womp womp

Nvm then

[swift nacelle]

It’s impossible to not have pwm on oled I think.
But it switching to dc at only 10% percent is crazy good.

[summer oak]

Maybe I will go konkr

Or should i go Odin 3 ultra

[swift nacelle]

If anything, what I just posted speaks for Odin 3

Not only do even modern phones have lower pwm flicker frequencies which are more noticeable but also a higher dc dimming starting point at like 25% or 50%.
Or sometimes even no dc dimming at all.

[summer oak]

Or maybe I should be responsible with my money

Nah

[swift nacelle]

Honestly, if you have a portal you can just wait for the next portal instead

Or even a Thor

[summer oak]

I don’t have a portal

[swift nacelle]

But if you have nothing else to kill time until something else drops.
Maybe look if there’s been any secret early birds left that have been refunded

[summer oak]

My main reason for wanting one is pc emulation

[swift nacelle]

Then you gotta go max or ultra as well

[summer oak]

Ye I know

[swift nacelle]

Difficult choice tbh, the fomo is real

[summer oak]

Real

On the fence between Odin 3 ultra for small form factor albeit compromised pc game experience or Xbox ally X

[swift nacelle]

Maybe finding some pc games you actually want to play and looking up how they run on the elite can help with your decision

[worldly sail]

Nah, I’m fine with IPS.

[civic forge]

Yes

[civic forge]

Get the ally x as well

Throw in a konkr to be safe

You can be responsible with money when you're dead

[swift nacelle]

I guess you can use overlays without having to worry about burn in

[versed pebble]

Burn in is still a problem with OLED ?

[summer oak]

Yup

Always will be

[wary matrix]

order one, Super Early Bird is only lasting like 9 more hours, gotta grab it while you can

after all you can still cancel later

[summer oak]

There’s the enabler

[worldly sail]

Yeah, and the Konkr still has 4 more days till it’s done, so he’s gonna have to decide on whether he wants the Konkr or the Odin 3 (or even neither).

[wary matrix]

just saying, if you wait too long I will convince you to buy a KONKR

[summer oak]

Are you team Odin or team konkr

Any issues 144hz could cause over 120hz

[worldly sail]

Eh, I’m Konkr for the G3 Gen 3, don’t particularly trust that the 8 Elite will be working with everything all too soon.

As for the refresh rate, I’m pretty sure AYANEO already mentioned that there would already be an option to set the refresh rate at 120hz, so that should arguably be a non-issue.

[wary matrix]

got a KONKR G3gen3 16/512 and ODIN 3 ULTRA coming

yeah, the 144p are more for PC streaming

[worldly sail]

And yeah, this guy is getting both.

[summer oak]

How does G3G3 compare to 8 elite

I’d ultimately be buying for Winlator

[worldly sail]

From what I can tell, it should be somewhere halfway and above between the 8 Gen 2 and the 8 Elite.

[errant sable]

better compatibility is the reason I went with g3

[short gust]

much weaker in raw

[summer oak]

Hmmmm

[worldly sail]

So like, it’s a sizable increase from the 8 Gen 2 (and G3X Gen 2), but not as strong in raw power as the 8 Elite.

[short gust]

but way better drivers

[wary matrix]

both go brrrr, but yeah Winlator is more in the 8 Elite territory... not that you wouldn't get good results till a certain point on the G3 Gen3 too

[summer oak]

How much of a difference is that gonna make in winlator performance

Hmmmmmmm

[short gust]

30-40% depend in game

and how good this game work with elite proprietary driver

[errant sable]

don't know til the device is out

[summer oak]

Think I might go G3 gen 3 konkr then

That should be good enough for PC streaming, winlator indies right

[short gust]

if wont wait until they push mesa to make turnip yes

[swift nacelle]

You said you mainly wanna get an Odin for winlator though

[short gust]

not indies, AAA games

[swift nacelle]

Okay maybe indies is fine

[civic forge]

Dang I only got the odin 3 elite and the konkr g3g3 12/256

Now I have to cancel and upgrade

[summer oak]

I mean yeah no I’m not expecting to play shit like horizon zero dawn on this thing lol

Mostly like hollow knight or shovel knight

Indie stuff like that

[short gust]

enough even gen2

or below

[worldly sail]

The G3 Gen 3 is apparently (this is from Whatever’s Input) a bit weaker in the CPU but stronger in the GPU compared to the 8 Gen 3. Personally I’m still thinking it’s the same in CPU and it’s just we don’t have any good test results on the chip itself yet, I just can’t really believe Qualcomm would waste the resources to make a “slightly weaker” cpu for the G3 Gen 3, since when they can just as easily make it “the 8 Gen 3 but with a GPU that can be more easily overclocked”.

[short gust]

it is weaker, and not slightly

[errant sable]

this isn't the G3X tho

[short gust]

we see similar results just of of 20W tdp

[errant sable]

ah ok fixed

[short gust]

that its

[errant sable]

you can just watch pocket 2s video and see how it works

[short gust]

magic punch

[summer oak]

Thanks guys I think I’ll most likely go with g3 gen3 konkr

[errant sable]

what does the ace use?

[short gust]

G3x Gen2

[errant sable]

ah ok

[short gust]

8 gen 2 with overclocked gpu

[summer oak]

As long as it has decent driver support and serviceable winlator performance

[errant sable]

pocket 2s the only one atm with the g3?

[short gust]

it has max support

turnip full

[swift nacelle]

I think so

[errant sable]

ah ok

[short gust]

yh

[wary matrix]

just write them a mail and pay the difference for the upgrade

[short gust]

s2

[errant sable]

s2

yea

[worldly sail]

Do we have any more results to confirm that so far? It’s the same exact cpu architecture as the 8 Gen 3, and Qualcomm doesn’t even have the specific cores they used for it listed in the chip’s documentation, so I’m honestly not even sure where the specs on that stuff came from when you last mentioned them.

[wary matrix]

that will run flawlessly, 8gen2 does like 70fps already, G3 Gen3 will do 120 and 8 Elite like 200

[wind delta]

I have just experienced "just enjoy what you already have" After trying so many different settings and failed to play mario sunshine at stable 60fps on my 8 elite phone, I tried it on my steam deck and it played so smooth looked so good I seriously felt i was just wasting my time tinkering on the phone.

[short gust]

skill issue

[errant sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtk_rlyO6t8

[short gust]

we have allof of different performance tests and core spreadsheet

[errant sable]

you can see how it performs

[short gust]

it was stock device

not interesting

[errant sable]

what do you mean lol

[short gust]

https://www.youtube.com/@Zerokimchii/videos

[wary matrix]

it's wild that Rise of the Tomb Rider runs at like 30-45fps on the G3 Gen3, that's as much as my GTX 1650 did

[short gust]

here max G3

[worldly sail]

Where? I can’t find anything on the core, do you happen to have some links for the performance results, or even just the core spreadsheet?

[short gust]

yh

[summer oak]

Thanks I’ll go g3 gen 3 then

I’ll order on my lunch

[errant sable]

order me lunch

[short gust]

just run aida

[wary matrix]

kinda want to mess with Winlator on my Odin 3 now... 8 gen 3 runs fucking FF7 Remake, holy shit

I mean the 8 gen 2 does too, so I could even do that, but I want 60fps

[worldly sail]

I don’t have a G3 Gen 3 handheld yet, I literally just preordered it.

[summer oak]

G3 gen3 doesn’t have any thermal or power draw issues does it

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/MkU1TfuzUlA?si=U9uhHXKHrpbGvmEh

[short gust]

20w 😉

[worldly sail]

Is GameHub or GameNative running the game at 30fps on 8g2/g3xgen2, or do we still need to use regular Winlator and something like the Goldberg emulator to get around the drm?

[wary matrix]

the video I just watched was running it via Gamehub, was about 30-40fps from what I saw skipping through it

[summer oak]

Is that good or bad

[short gust]

its more than steam deck

[wary matrix]

for battery life it ain't awesome, but these chips draw that much if you push them

[worldly sail]

On the 8 Elite?

[wary matrix]

nah 8gen2, 8gen3 already was 50-60fps territory, Elite will be stable above that I bet

just insanity, my PC will start to collect dust

[summer oak]

I mean I’d expect a gaming chip to do that but like how is the low watt efficiency. And does it only pull as much as it needs or does it gobble power on stuff like streaming too

[short gust]

how much need

[errant sable]

with the ayaneo software you can just tune the chip to run lower

ezpz

[short gust]

wonder how much peak tdp will be set for Elite

[summer oak]

Really?

[short gust]

bet 25W

[errant sable]

yea

[summer oak]

Dang okay that’s awesome

Konkr it is

[errant sable]

both good devices

just get whatever you think will work better for you

[short gust]

yeay

time to test online games o_o

[worldly sail]

Yup, it still only pulls what it needs, but it has around 5 performance profiles to choose from, each with different max values that it will allow the Chip to pull, and you can freely tune those max values to what you want.

[summer oak]

What app is that

[short gust]

Gamehub

[summer oak]

Ah

[short gust]

https://gamehub.xiaoji.com/

[summer oak]

Does it still require an account

I hear ppl say it’s sketchy

[errant sable]

same

I don't trust it

[short gust]

it the best for peoples who wont waste tons of time to configurate winlator

[summer oak]

I definitely don’t wanna give them my steam creds

[short gust]

make/buy an extra account lol

[summer oak]

Then I gotta buy my games again

[wary matrix]

it's GameSir... have some trust, lol

[summer oak]

[errant sable]

[worldly sail]

I’ve currently got the Power Saving as like a “lower Balance mode” for running without cooling, then Balance to basically be that, then I’ve got Gaming Mode as a high performance mode, Streaming Mode I actually have it at the same CPU values as Gaming Mode but with a lower GPU. Then Max is just that (all values at their max).

[worldly sail]

But you can also have Power Saving as a dedicated “sleep mode” setting by making it use the minimum settings.

[wary matrix]

join me in the 16+512 config, because modern games take too much storage

[summer oak]

I’m getting the 1TB g3 gen 3

Unless that’s too much

[trim panther]

Game hub 5 too

[wary matrix]

be a bit more responsible with your money Sniffs, that's already $399

[unborn estuary]

This doesn't tell the full story, scroll down:

60% uplift in vulkan is crazy

[wary matrix]

hey hey, I never said the 8 Elite wouldn't blow everything out of the water

[short gust]

this doesnt too 😄

[unborn estuary]

30-40% CPU uplift between generations is pretty crazy too

[wary matrix]

also I wasn't expecting that Sniffs will drop $399 on the 16+1tb version, at that point he honestly could just spend $100 more to go best Elite SKU and say fuck it

[summer oak]

Man I’m so conflicted on g3 gen3 or 8 elite

[leaden hollow]

G3 gen 3 is the safe option, but 8 elite with proper support would be crazy

[short gust]

Elite

[worldly sail]

Yeah no that looks about right for what I was expecting.

[unborn estuary]

Really? On what unit?

[short gust]

now compare with G3 Gen3

[summer oak]

Konkr fit

[unborn estuary]

Elite, no comparison in my opinion.

[summer oak]

It’s really that much better than g3 gen3?

[wary matrix]

we were kind expecting him to grab a small 12/256 SKU because he just wants to play stuff like Hollow Knight and Shovel Knight

[unborn estuary]

It's a pretty large gap

[wind delta]

but does it do better AI

[wary matrix]

but if you are already spending $399 go nuts Sniffs, full specs Elite

[summer oak]

I see, my only reservation is this “support” I see people talking about

[short gust]

more than ever say

[summer oak]

Is that a really big deal?

[errant sable]

until you try to run a game that doesn't support it without a driver

[short gust]

yh

[unborn estuary]

Only Skyrim hasn't run great. The other turnip drivers seem to work fine for me on my y700 gen 4

[worldly sail]

Do you have the S2? If you do, can you check it on Aida64? Whatever isn’t sharing the core spreadsheet for the G3 Gen 3 so I just have no clue what the CPU’s architecture or cores are even like (since Qualcomm unfortunately doesn’t say anything).

[wary matrix]

it brute forces Witcher 3 at nearly 30fps without proper drivers iirc

[leaden hollow]

For performance not as much, but in order for the game not to have a shit ton of graphical issues yeah

[unborn estuary]

Na my wallet said no when I went to buy the S2

Gotta still have money for my vacation to Japan next October

[worldly sail]

I’d rather have proof I can visibly see on what the cores are instead of taking people at their word on whether it’s genuinely the 8 Gen 3’s CPU or if it’s not.

[summer oak]

Is it gonna get better drivers in the future?

[leaden hollow]

🤷‍♂️

[errant sable]

nobody knows

[summer oak]

Rip

[errant sable]

its a gamble

[worldly sail]

Ah shit, ok so I’m still stuck at square 1 then.

[wary matrix]

who knows

[short gust]

it is ... but future can eh take long

this time

OR more handhelds on Elite and we are good

[wind delta]

It is also likely when it gets good support you will be asking the same question for the next handhelds.

[wary matrix]

G3 Gen3 is a solid option, you may consider going with that now and getting something like a Odin 3 Portal later

[errant sable]

thats my path

o3 portal

[short gust]

maybe qualcomm made G4 Gen4 on this base

[errant sable]

g3 now

[civic forge]

Be a little less responsible sniffs, get both the g3g3 konkr and the elite odin

[wary matrix]

I will only buy a Odin 3 Portal if they do a 1440p screen for it

[wary matrix]

be like us Sniffs

[unborn estuary]

Sorry 😅

[worldly sail]

Ok but seriously, does anyone have the link to the G3 Gen 3 CPU core spreadsheet Whatever is talking about?

[unborn estuary]

Honestly I'm all in on this device. Between this and either the pocket ds/Thor, not sure what I'll use as my main android handheld... But I'm leaning towards this one. Recently sold off a large portion of my handheld collection to finance the new wave of units coming out.

[summer oak]

Man I’m so conflicted, I really want 8 elite but the driver uncertainty is stopping me from committing

[unborn estuary]

All my testing only showed one game that didn't work. Honestly I wouldn't worry too much.

[autumn swan]

For me personaly 8” display will be more important. I have other consoles to play on the go, but at home in want a little bit bigger Odin 2 Portal.

[civic forge]

Realistically waiting will only hurt your wallet a little bit

[summer oak]

Native Android support works great tho right?

[wary matrix]

I will compromise to 7.5", 8" is too much

[summer oak]

Also tiny aside how is the moonlight decode times

[wary matrix]

yeah and Aya also gives you plenty of spoofing options

[errant sable]

for switch its hit or miss

[summer oak]

I have a switch 2 for switch games lol

[unborn estuary]

So far yeah. Did you watch my tablet review with it? Only the one game didn't work.

[wary matrix]

Eden devs are doing overtime for that tho

[summer oak]

I’ll go and watch that now

[worldly sail]

Cause so far the only benchmarks I can even find at all are Qualcomm’s own claims on the G3 Gen 3 CPU being “30% faster than its predecessor” (no word on whether that’s single core or multi-core), and since the 8 Gen 3 is supposedly around 40% faster than both 8 Gen 2 and G3X Gen 2 in multi-core but only 18%-20% faster in single-core, all this tells me is that it’s either slightly better or slightly worse.

[short gust]

its about G3X Gen2

[worldly sail]

And this is obviously one of the shittiest ways you can rate this kind of stuff, but it’s all I’ve got.

[short gust]

and 30% faster it was true G3 Gen3

[worldly sail]

Yeah, and that’s outright been confirmed as being the same cpu as the 8 Gen 2.

[short gust]

qualcomm never compare different area chipsets

[slender notch]

You guys still debating this lol

[short gust]

G series vs G only

[slender notch]

Newer = better but how much depends. Done.

[short gust]

We have
G1 Gen 2
G3х Gen1
G3x Gen2
G3 Gen3

[civic forge]

Oversimplifications = unhelpful but how much depends 😄

[wind delta]

How else shall we spend this lovely Tuesday

[worldly sail]

Yes, because I’m trying to figure out what’s the best way to compare it since Whatever still hasn’t shared the core spreadsheet for the G3 Gen 3 they know about, so I’m stuck trying to figure this out from what little is available online.

[ripe stirrup]

Discuss this in the konkr thread maybe? Since it's not an option for the o3

[slender notch]

Haha I know, just messing with people

Haha I know, just messing with people

[worldly sail]

Fair enough.

Shit, forgot to turn off the ping.

[kindred crypt]

people thinking that the Pocket Fit will get OLED are delusional

[slender notch]

Buy both compare yourself and sell the other?

😉

[civic forge]

That's my plan only I'm keeping them both

[worldly sail]

I’ve already pre-ordered a G3 Gen 3 device, but I obviously don’t have it yet.

[slender notch]

You don't have time travel wtf?

[swift nacelle]

Can’t hurt to ask ;))

Maybe their competitor offers them their own custom screen

[slender notch]

Yeah I'm definitely curious too about the G3 gen 3.

Would be nice if the S2 was already in people's hands.

[tame saddle]

I'd honestly like to see more proof that in China everyone prefers LCD. Lol

Feel like that's something Ayaneo uses constantly to justify not putting one in

[kindred crypt]

yeah I don't buy that either

feels like something they are telling themselves to feel better about it

[tame saddle]

Or just a way to get better margins

[slender notch]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's true but who knows. It's always interesting how cultures view things differently.

When I was in Korea there were some random things that were different that made no sense to me lol

[ripe stirrup]

Everyone is a stretch, but there are definitely a sizeable market that prefer LCD, something about OLED being harder on eyes/vision damaging etc.

Anyway, they just don't have a 6" OLED on hand. They were among the first to OLED with the air x86 and pocket air etc previously, and charging a premium for them.

[heady folio]

I’m going with the G3 Gen 3 over the Elite. Emulation today doesn’t really take advantage of the Elite, and probably won’t in the short term, so it just feels like overkill. For now, the Odin 2 Portal is still the real deal. I’m grabbing the Konkr just because I like shiny new consoles, and I especially like this one — once it arrives, I’ll test it against the Portal, keep one, and sell the other.

[slender notch]

Sound reasoning. Elite is better but definitely hard to say how much or if it's worth it right now.

Either way it's cool to see these devices being developed

[short gust]

why hard? 😄

[worldly sail]

Eh, I can see it if they buy way more handhelds than us, they’ll likely have way more users reporting stuff like burn in or OLED getting stuck pixels at higher refresh rates (and all those people would be reporting it in a way that others can pretty easily see), so that would likely lead to them preferring IPS for consistency (although that doesn’t track since these issues can also potentially occur in IPS).

Or potentially even cheapness since them being in the same exact country likely makes it easier to send in for repairs, and if IPS is cheaper to replace than OLED, that would definitely make it be seen as more of a “cheap and consistent” option than OLED being an “expensive and harder to replace” option.

[short gust]

both out of box

[worldly sail]

Unlike us, since we’d have a hard enough time sending it to these companies in the first place via international.

[cyan ledge]

That's strange cause I don't see any chinese phone companies making lcd phones

[wind delta]

There's consipracy theory about this that oled panels have much bigger margins so phone companies force customers to pay more for "inferior screens that hurt your eyes".

[swift nacelle]

I assume it’s because they can get brighter and you need to see your phone screen everywhere, even in the sun

[cyan ledge]

except people literally put like 5k on oled tvs

[wind delta]

I see a ton of people complain about oled screens on newer handhelds on bilibili. The recent rpmini drama made it even worse.

[tame saddle]

I dunno of sizeable is a reality. It's not like there's numbers. I wish there were. According to most articles in China it's due to price. Which I imagine is similar for people who "prefer" LCDs here as well. Not saying they can't have an effect on people's eyes, cause they def can if they use poor panels, but I'm sure most of it comes down to a $400 tv vs a $1400 tv

[summer oak]

Okay I am getting Odin 3

[civic forge]

After you get that you should also get a pocket fit just to be safe

[slender notch]

Haha

[tame saddle]

I'll probably cancel my konkr and keep this. If I eventually get the konkr fit anyway I don't really need to try the pocket

[slender notch]

Need to be sure you can survive the apocalypse after all.

[civic forge]

Yes! What if we don't have power to recharge your battery anymore

[tame saddle]

My only decision now is whether to keep my transparent blue or switch to black

Black just looks slick

[civic forge]

I got black and plan to swap the rainbow buttons in later. Gonna look so good

[ripe stirrup]

I am just basing off that ayaneo rep comment and my own readings in their forums / tieba etc, at least people there are the vocal ones.

Not saying the claim is true/fake.

[worldly sail]

So it is at least true that domestic buyers prefer IPS then?

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I mean I guess it's possible. The article also said that a lot of advertising in China really pushes mini-led and other more advanced LCD tech

Probably also a biproduct of many OLED manus being Japanese/korean

[worldly sail]

Yeah, and at the same time we get a lot of that same advertising every time there’s a new screen technology.

[ripe stirrup]

There are always both OLED and LCD lovers.

And some maybe swayed/influenced by paid marketing 🤷‍♂️

[tame saddle]

While there are many LCD manus in China. Could be a biproduct of national pride, etc

That said there are Chinese brands with LG OLEDs. So it's not non existent

[ripe stirrup]

Can easily come out with XXX is bad article/news and pay content creators etc to spread it around

[tame saddle]

China pretty good with pro national product propaganda too

[wind delta]

Hard to know which is more without a real survey. OLED flickering is discussed a lot more on bilibili than on YouTube though. I feel that Chinese people are much more aware about it.

[wind delta]

Thats not true. China has oled panel manufacturing giants too.

[tame saddle]

I've found that because of their manufacturing based population they have a general better understanding of tech minutea

[tame saddle]

Sure. But it's still expensive and relatively new

Maybe that's why their panels flicker more. Heh

[wind delta]

No the flickering debate started way earlier

with iphones

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I know

Doesn't mean they're the only makers with the issue tho

[ripe stirrup]

They don't have tv size production capabilities, at least not at yield sufficient for commercial use

Mainly still smaller panels

[tame saddle]

Yeah. That's mostly what Ive seen as well

[wind delta]

From what I see it is just the flickering is discussed more often there

[tame saddle]

Unless it's a national secret that they make OLED tvs

[wind delta]

Then people make it out like a real big deal

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Well we're all familiar with making big deals out of small things 😆

But it's very similar to LCD when plasma was a thing. People swore that plasma was superior. Complained about LCD issues, etc. until the prices got cheap. Then suddenly everyone was like, LCD the best

[wary matrix]

honestly, I'm not someone most in favor of OLED panels anyway, had a lot of burn in on phones and you would have to shot me before I put a grid over my GBA games on an OLED display or buy an OLED monitor

they naturally can look stunning and deep blacks are great, but if something like Samsungs QLED tech would find their way into handhelds, I would be perfectly happy with that

[tame saddle]

Which is wild cause I've never experienced burn in. Of course due to price I skipped the first several gens of OLED TV's. Never had burn in on a phone tho

[wind delta]

Heavy tiktok users have buttons burned in on the bottom right of the screen lol

[tame saddle]

I'm not a stickler. I still have LCD TV's and whatnot. But it's undeniable that for gaming and 4k movies OLED just looks amazeballs good

[wary matrix]

I managed to have Discord and the keyboard burned into my last phone

[tame saddle]

Yikes

[swift nacelle]

What phone did you use

[tame saddle]

Insert touch grass meme here 😆

[wary matrix]

Samsung

M31

[swift nacelle]

Okay that makes sense then

[tame saddle]

Pretty sure it's burned into their retina as well. Lol

[wary matrix]

just some cheaper thingy, because S3 and S5 also had similar shit

[summer oak]

What color should I get

[novel panther]

Black

[worldly sail]

I’m still pissed that CED’s died out due to that. This shit was supposed to be literally just “CRT’s but flatter and more efficient”, but since it was more expensive, companies just stuck with LCD tech.

[summer oak]

Black?

[tame saddle]

I dunno but then help me decide

[summer oak]

Like the Odin 2 right

[tame saddle]

Yeah. LCD costs ridiculously less to make than all other tech. Even when it first came about

[novel panther]

Ah, it's the best gif on Discord

Black, and get the grip too lol

[worldly sail]

Hell, it was literally supposed to have black levels that when compared are on par with modern OLED.

[summer oak]

Are there any goodies for Odin 3

[novel panther]

No fingerprints on the Black Portal with the grip

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Fuck it. Transparent blue right choice. I don't want to bother with fingerprints

[summer oak]

Bro same lol

I’m going transparent blue

[tame saddle]

Should still be dark enough with the glass front for black bars to blend in

[gusty river]

some people need to wash their hands

[summer oak]

Does the grip come with the case and grip perk or no

Cuz it doesn’t let me chose color

[novel panther]

You should be able to choose between black, grey, and clear/transparent white

You can buy the things individually or get an accessories pack of the grip, grip case, screen protector, and soft pouch for a combined discount

If you want the normal case you have to buy that separately

[tame saddle]

Literally washed my hands and picked up portal immediately. Didn't help

Think it feeds off skin fluids

[novel panther]

And if you order via IGG, you get the TPU shell for free (bottom text on this image)

[summer oak]

[novel panther]

That's not transparent blue

[summer oak]

I lied

[novel panther]

I think the rainbow's gonna look real good with the grey grip, i almost did that myself

[clever halo]

They're going withba textured plastic this time so, hopefully we dont have grease fest

[novel panther]

But i love how the black looks. Never used to be a black handheld guy, but my Base Odin 2 Portal converted me

[tame saddle]

Textured on grip

Gonna put warning hazard tags all over flat back

[main dock]

will new iphone pro beat all

[summer oak]

I sure hope the face buttons are swappable

[main dock]

cancelling my thor and odin3

[short gust]

nop

[summer oak]

Bait

[civic forge]

Me too

[short gust]

A19 Pro wont even catch Elite in gpu

and soon 8 Elite Gen5 with 20-30% boost

[main dock]

you benchmarked the A19 Pro?

[short gust]

single power monster, thats it

and 20% gpu boost over A18 Pro

[main dock]

what test is that

[short gust]

Geekbench 6

[main dock]

geekbench

now i wanna try on my dmg lol

[short gust]

if snap get 4000 single, we will be able to play any AAA game (which supported proprietary driver)

but still a chance ...

early units with lowered freqs already tested ...

[fast sable]

That was saying Pocket DS when the Odin 3 launched 😅

[versed pebble]

I know, it's just that this precise combination is rather… unfortunate. 😄

[fast sable]

Youre not wrong 🤣

[main dock]

my dmg only 1937 single and 5605 multi

time to upgrade

[sturdy wyvern]

You summoned me?

[wary matrix]

1 Super Fan Odin 3 Pro remains 👀

[summer oak]

What super fan

[wary matrix]

click on the post Doggo replied to

[summer oak]

That just takes me to the IGG page

[summer oak]

Only 12gbs and 256gb of storage

Who do you think I am

I’m not poor

[slender notch]

Lol

[wary matrix]

so you buying a THOR and KONKR as well?

[sly zenith]

I am

Pro it is lol

[gritty temple]

Ok, that's crazy.

[unborn estuary]

Pro is all you need. That's all i buy too generally as far as sku's go... unelss were talking x86 handhelds... 🤣

[sly zenith]

exactly lol
I'll just have to play 2 games at a time instead of 10 hehehe

[slender notch]

Yeah I got the max. Probably unnecessary for me.

[civic forge]

Pro is all YOU need

[wary matrix]

Ultra is totally necessary

[sly zenith]

of course, everyone has different needs 🙂

[civic forge]

Exactly!

[sly zenith]

that's why there are different options

[wary matrix]

right options and wrong options

[civic forge]

Lmao

[sly zenith]

I think at least we all can agree the base is the wrong choice

[leaden hollow]

Definitely

[sly zenith]

[leaden hollow]

No point in base

[sly zenith]

even the storage is slower, it's UFS 3.1

[civic forge]

Yeah idk why they even made that one

[slender notch]

For a lower starting price

[summer oak]

Usually always is

[summer oak]

I forget the term, but a lowest spec model so poorly priced it makes the next tier look like a good deal

[worldly sail]

Wait what?

No, the Base has the same UFS4.0 storage as the other 8 Gen 2 options, only the Thor Lite has UFS 3.1, and that’s due to it being the SD865 option.

[worldly sail]

Oh you were talking about the Odin 3, sorry about that.

[novel panther]

Too many devices lol

[worldly sail]

…Wait, why the hell does it only have UFS 3.1 for 128GB? The Thor literally has UFS4.0 for 128GB!

[novel panther]

There's some baffling decisions for sure

[worldly sail]

Like wtf, did they not have enough UFS 4.0 chips for 128GB and had to use some from leftovers from the Thor Lite?

[novel panther]

Why is max Thor 1TB but max Odin 3 512GB, causing the Discord community to get them to do an Ultra tier

[wary matrix]

at least we have RAM for days now

[olive osprey]

Has anyone checked kenji nx running nsw games on an elite other than russ? Seems to be more compatible than eden

[sly zenith]

come memory leak, I'M READY

[worldly sail]

If they were brave enough, they’d let us freely use the Storage as whatever Swap RAM we want.

Then we would finally achieve the goal of having 128GB of slow-as-shit ram! Or even more! /s

[wary matrix]

I just want a Micro SD Express slot in the Odin 3 Portal... trigger locks... 1440p 7" OLED 120hz... sold

[worldly sail]

Sure, we won’t have as much storage anymore, but look at the RAM we’ll gain!

[wary matrix]

Odin 3 Portal
1440p 120hz 7" OLED
USB 3.2 4k@120fps 10Gbps
Micro SD Express Slot

Base: 12/256
Pro: 16/1024
Max: 24/2048

[leaden hollow]

Odin 3 Micro
2160x2160 3" Mini LED
Thunderbolt 5
Mini SSD/Sim Card Slot

32/32

[wary matrix]

that's not how storage works on Android unfortunately

[civic forge]

I wouldn't mind an odin 3 lite with the g3g3 in it

[wary matrix]

but I concede

Base: 12/256 - $369
Pro: 24/1024 - $499
Max: 32/2048 - $649

[sturdy wyvern]

I no fetch

master did not tell me to

[wary matrix]

it's gone now anyway

[summer oak]

Loki 2 when

[wary matrix]

Loki is dead, we can just Winlator AAA games on our Odin now

[summer oak]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-loki-thanos-loki-thanos-strangling-thanos-neck-gif-26106301

[sturdy wyvern]

oh good i dont have to get one

nekminit prog4m3r tells me to fetch a konkr

[swift nacelle]

What about Odin 3 Super SP

[summer oak]

What r Bluetooth specs

5.4?

Low latency?

[novel panther]

6.0

[summer oak]

BT 6??

[novel panther]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/odin-3-the-ultimate-6-120hz-oled-gaming-handheld/x/13114698#/

[summer oak]

Damn what headphones even support BT 6

[wind delta]

Is Odin 3 portal confirmed?

[torn saffron]

No.

But it will probably happen

[swift nacelle]

No.

But it will probably happen

[sly zenith]

No.

But it will probably happen

[wind delta]

No.

But it will probably happen

[summer oak]

No

But it will probably happen

[civic forge]

No.

But I will probably buy it

[fast sable]

No.

But it will probably happen

[gusty river]

1/2026

[sturdy wyvern]

i just found out FF7 Remake can be played on Winlator

8 elite

and pushes 50-60 fps

I NEED THE ODIN3 ULTRA

[civic forge]

Yeah I am pretty excited for that

[fast sable]

Why are you pinging me!! Go order it!!

[sturdy wyvern]

MOD DISCOUNT

[fast sable]

[wary matrix]

that was the G3 Gen3, Elite should do better, provided it has halfway decent drivers

[clever halo]

The fact this has BT 6 is crazy, we don't even have headphones that have BT 6 support yet

[tame saddle]

I was serious when I said I might be buried with it

[sturdy wyvern]

no seriously is there one LMAO

[wary matrix]

How long do you have @tame saddle? 😔

[sturdy wyvern]

jokes

[wary matrix]

you should hurry, only like 5hours of Super Early Bird left

[sturdy wyvern]

AWAY WITH YOU

[tame saddle]

Ultra will take me to 2090. Sure it'll be hard finding replacement batteries in the wasteland, but I'll manage

[sturdy wyvern]

oh lol

bro you had us worried

[tame saddle]

Haha. Nah. I'm ok for now. Sleep deprived but that's about it 😆

[wary matrix]

I kinda doubt you will make it this far

[sturdy wyvern]

i only have another 5 years