AYN Odin 3

[clever halo]

LCD still has it's place, but i see why OLED is more sought after in the western markets

[tame saddle]

Just cause as I've seen in the past, everyone defends it as a big brain move, then is so glad in the next version when OLED is available, lol

Yeah. I mean I totally get it as a cost cutting measure. But then to max internal hardware just seems incongruous to my brain

[leaden hollow]

Yeah Ayn basically killed any chances of me getting the konkr elite with this

[short gust]

like i sayed

[clever halo]

Also, it seems a good chunk of the eastern market prefers LCD over OLED which shocked me

[tame saddle]

It's like, we wanted to max performance, so we created a handheld with the best chip ever, but then removed the screen to save you $20

[short gust]

high tier oled tax solo 40+$

[urban grail]

it is hard to return to LCD after experiencing Oled, but not to the point my whole happiness depends upon it 😄

[tame saddle]

Based on? Past sales? Or actual sourcing prices?

[short gust]

prices

u can find most of them on taobao 😄

[tame saddle]

That's now how sourcing works 😆

[short gust]

cheap and decent (not cheapest) oled like anbernic / switch 20$ batch for everyone (and even lower with contract)

[tame saddle]

Yeah. So def lower than $40

Cause they're buying these on contract with high moq

They're also ordering direct and probably on top of a larger inter company contract

So for them to upgrade it's probably $20 if not less

[halcyon bay]

safest way to approach "Whatever", just Block and Ignore

[tame saddle]

Sure they ask us to pay $40+ for the experience. But that's not what it actually costs them

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I'm sensing that 😆

[short gust]

happenes when u dont understand anything 🙁

[urban grail]

wait what did he do

[halcyon bay]

time already exposed their flaw in logical thinking once, it will happen again with Aya Neo vs AYN

[short gust]

block ignore instead of getting some hardware and software education

😄 kid logic

[halcyon bay]

AYN has already under Aya Neo 4 seperate times. what is a 5th time at this point

[tame saddle]

Bro. I literally just explained it to you

And your just like, yolo

[short gust]

wym?

[tame saddle]

Manus in China don't buy parts off taobao

[halcyon bay]

like i said, block and ignore, their is no helping them

[short gust]

bruh, ik that ... im not talking about u

only kid fox

u at least understand something

[tame saddle]

Ok. So you admit it's less than $40 then. Probably significantly

[short gust]

ofc

all depend how big batch and contract terms

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I imagine these companies move weight. So like, if konkr offered an OLED for $20 more. Most people would buy it. Saving people $20 and then throwing in an 8 elite, just seems wildly missmanaged.

[tame saddle]

Wanted to come back to this, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that Ayaneo outsells in the west

I could be wrong

[halcyon bay]

you just described all of Aya Neo as a company

[short gust]

They wouldn't sell it so cheaply; for them, it would only cost $20, if we roughly estimate the scale of the purchase.

[tame saddle]

The point was it probably costs them even less

[clever halo]

Also remember, this 6" screen is being used in the Thor and probably will he used in the RP6 as it's supposedly a custom screen, so they're probably getting it at normal price and offsetting the cost via multiple devices

[short gust]

this will be the lowest level panel

if less

[tame saddle]

Like taobao is already marked up over factory direct. Then you add contracts, possibly on top of a larger partnership contract, and then large moq

[halcyon bay]

aya neo first big loss was Odin 2 vs the Pocket air, its been all loses since then with every release

[tame saddle]

You can message reps direct and get lower prices, and then lower prices on top, and then even lower prices for non priority,.etc.

[clever halo]

Tbf to Aya, nobody expected the Odin 2 to have the 8 gen 2 at all

[tame saddle]

Maybe. I think I read they got investment for it as well, on possibly a shared contract

[short gust]

yeah standart practic

[halcyon bay]

Pocket DS vs Thor

just to be more Relavant to recent times

[short gust]

more devices with it, bigger batch = lower price = better terms

[clever halo]

Yeah that one is more apt

[halcyon bay]

that was the 3rd time they under cut them

Pocket evo vs o2 Portal was the 2nd

[short gust]

By the way, you can find out the actual prices by contacting specific display manufacturers and inquiring about prices based on batch quantities. Some may even explain their unique terms and conditions.

but for that u should have or be at least any company 😄

[clever halo]

https://youtu.be/SuQ97wMBc2s to give rough idea of Elite performance

[short gust]

The prices of OLEDs are constantly falling, every 1-2 years... so maybe in the near future only they will remain, and even the cheap ones will be of acceptable quality.

rofl device

[tame saddle]

You also have to factor in location. They'll overcharge us companies as well. Which again, is why $40 is probably a decently large overshoot

[short gust]

phones never catch handhelds ...

[fast sable]

That stability 🤣 goes below an 8g2

[short gust]

exactly

[short gust]

that how will look konkr in normal hands 😄

[tame saddle]

What OLEDs lack is certain sizes and ratios, and getting new ones made is expensive

[short gust]

330$ pretty good deal

[tame saddle]

Otherwise they would have already replaced them by now

[leaden hollow]

That stability 😬 here's hoping odin 3 will have a great cooling system

[short gust]

um, i dont remember bad cooling devices at this range

anbernic doesnt count 😄

[urban grail]

i can't imagine it having bad cooling

[leaden hollow]

Ayaneo isn't great when it comes to thermals imo

[short gust]

it has good thermals, but bad firmware

they making too safe limits

it can much more in normal hands

[tame saddle]

Yeah. At least now. We will forget about that whole era where their pads didn't touch the heat sink at all 😆

[short gust]

G3x Gen2 tuned

[tame saddle]

On pocket DMG people were getting like 70% stability and only high 2Ks for score

[short gust]

xd yeah

[tame saddle]

But it's good Ayaneo learned from it

[short gust]

tuned too btw

here stock

Until they stop limiting their devices so much, they won't work at full capacity out of the box

[fast sable]

Unfortunately most users won't see that increased performance either. It involves rooting and undervolting I think

[short gust]

exactly

You can go even further and replace the average-quality thermal paste with a top-of-the-line one

like idcooling x45

[fast sable]

This too. That was a big problem on the evo

[short gust]

results will be higher 😄

[umbral heron]

Not sure why we’re using phones as a metric for cooling.
Odin 3 will absolutely have a cooling system.

[short gust]

or if u skilled way more, u can use liquid metal (if u put it wrong, device will die ''short circuit'')

-10c possible 😄

[short gust]

we dont

just funny part

on market only 1 phone/tablet with real cooling (and ofc its not newbia) Oppo K13 Turbo / Pro (also realme AC can out soon with Elite)

[umbral heron]

Ah, gotcha.
I have unfortunately seen ppl using phones as a metric for cooling in the AYN server and saying Elite has bad thermals off of that 🗿

[urban grail]

people being idiots? i am shocked

[short gust]

just show them best 8Gen2 phone and any 8Gen2 handhelds

or even tablet

[kindred crypt]

reposting from the other discord, 8gen2 vs 8 elite battery benchmarks (courtesy of @stiff quartz )

and here's what chatgpt says

[short gust]

17w

peak on Elite

stock

[kindred crypt]

under heavy load, i.e. you can push it harder

[short gust]

u can push it to 27

with liquid 400w

[kindred crypt]

I'm more interested about battery life because there were claims the battery life would be worse than on the 8 gen 2

[kindred crypt]

but other than when pushing it hard via Winlator I think the battery life will be fine

[short gust]

yeah, Elite effiency with defoult power limits

[umbral heron]

3+ hours is excellent

[short gust]

8000Mah vs 7600Mah

[umbral heron]

That makes this even more impressive then

[short gust]

also Odin debloated

Y700 stock android with allot of trash

[urban grail]

yeah, it is too soon to tell yet with worries about battery life comparisons until we see a full spec sheet and how the O3 is cooled etc

[short gust]

Elite doesnt have any problem

if u can cool it

[kindred crypt]

not just that but the Y700 Gen 4 has a bigger, less efficient screen

[short gust]

u can configurate it even to 7w limit

or any what u like

[quaint dust]

Not really a fair comparison with the a Portal having active cooling though, it would be a much different story if the Elite was tested with the Portals fan and heatsink

[lament adder]

What's about the price? What's your idea?

[tame saddle]

Ayaneo - $40. Lol

[kindred crypt]

$300 bald eagle american dollars

[quaint dust]

For a Elite ?
I wish

[tame saddle]

Lllp

[quaint dust]

Im guessing base at least $350

[short gust]

370

[kindred crypt]

8 gen 2 was also thought to be unlikely to be sold for $300 before the Odin 2 was a thing

[short gust]

at max, my bet

[quaint dust]

Im looking for best bang for the buck though

[clever halo]

330

[kindred crypt]

I say we see $300

[quaint dust]

100% but that was 2 years ago.
Don’t get me wrong I hope your right

[kindred crypt]

they gonna do it again

watch it

[short gust]

Gen2 btw first price was 400$ 🙂

when it out

Elite can be same story

[kindred crypt]

sure, but chips come down in price over time

it was obviously cheaper by the time they made the Odin 2

[short gust]

yeah, odin 2 possible to make for 250$ (sale price) +- now

but noone want

they rather pick MTK bc it way cheaper

[tame saddle]

The main difference is unlike Ayaneo, there's residual sales past launch. So there's no need to price so high. Just two different sales models

[fast sable]

Oh for sure. It was just a comment on that device

[kindred crypt]

this is true, AYN makes devices for the long tail

[tame saddle]

Over the lifespan of the product components get cheaper. So you can have a very aggressive starting price, and then count on making a larger overall margin later

The down side is your usually behind the curve a little and don't release devices as fast because you don't need that constant influx of sales infusions

[short gust]

for now affordable soc end on 7350 (it like 865+-), and thats sad

hope next year something changes

[boreal hamlet]

could also be that the Thor is gonna be their more affordable option

i think most people are still fine with the 8gen2

[short gust]

bet, who make first 8 Gen2 / G3x Gen2 affordable (<250$) will win mid-high range

[tame saddle]

Ayn taking on the 8 elite gives me faith we'll see future support too. They'll use it in their next 2/3 devices

Ayaneo will be on some other kick after this release wave

Maybe both with same number of devices but one within 2 or 3 years, like the 8 gen 2. The other within 6 months. Heh

[lament adder]

Retroid

[short gust]

RP6 G2 Gen2

its not 8 gen 2 power

[kindred crypt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OdinHandheld/comments/1n5pyag/are_they_really_full_size_joysticks_tho_comon_ayn/

yeah these ain't full size sticks

[lament adder]

They will go with 8gen 2 probably

[short gust]

they dont

[boreal hamlet]

yea prob just the caps

[short gust]

everything was done half of year ago

[lament adder]

So if we assume the elite pocket fit around 379 (with LCD), odin3 around 330 with OLED?...it' would be very low..

[lament adder]

Ok, G2 ahah

[short gust]

how

starting price mean base model

[cyan ledge]

-elite pocket fit
-looks inside
-doesn't fit in pocket

[boreal hamlet]

pocket is just what they call their android line lol

[leaden hollow]

It still has a less than sign

Could be like $380-390 for the konkr elite

[lament adder]

Like the Odin..

[short gust]

395$

less? less

[lament adder]

I bet 379

[short gust]

i dont understand how much should RP6 cost to be interesting

[lament adder]

<300

[leaden hollow]

Yeah sounds pretty close, makes me wonder how much Ayn is going to undercut them. Maybe $350 for the Odin 3?

[short gust]

clean and obvious lose

<300 cost 8gen2

[boreal hamlet]

the thor 865 model being 250 makes me think the rp6 will be around there

[short gust]

yeah 250$ will be good maybe

[lament adder]

250-290

It depends on the battery and other specs

[boreal hamlet]

wonder if the rp6 also gonna use that 6 inch screen lol

[short gust]

retroid not ayn in status, same as ayn not ayaneo

[boreal hamlet]

moorechip owns both

[short gust]

even if they retroid want make premium device in terms of price and specs

most of just skip it

[lament adder]

So, significantly less the konkr elite? I really don't think so

[boreal hamlet]

yea they could just reuse the 5.5 inch on the rp5 for the rp6

[short gust]

remade of 8+ gen 1 (so turnip exist) 8+ Gen1 20% less power vs 8 gen 2 in CPU and 30% in GPU

[tame saddle]

I expect something like this

[manic wraith]

If it's over 300 it's a hard no

[short gust]

ofc its over lol

[clever halo]

Are you talking retroid or Odin 3?

[manic wraith]

Too much good stuff around that price

[short gust]

like?

[clever halo]

Cause the Odin 3 is already gonna be over 300+

That's just an inevitability

[urban grail]

i'd love to know the drugs people take for those who think over 300 is a hard no on this 😄 this isnt gonna be cheap

[manic wraith]

Tbf I do take alot

So I'm talking out my ass 75% of the time

I know I'll end up buying this no matter how much 'no' I say

[urban grail]

fair 😄 but yeah what other stuff is around this price? obv stuff like the odin 2 etc

[tame saddle]

Base Odin 3 with 8 gen 2 will be under $300. O3 with 8 elite base gonna be around $300 id guess

[short gust]

base Odin 3 ???????

wtf

[tame saddle]

Uh yeah?

[short gust]

where info any

[tame saddle]

Higher up Ayn rep already hinted at 8gen2. I'd assume that's as close to a given following thor

[short gust]

yikes

[tame saddle]

Probably one old model getting as close to the $200 price point as possible. 8 elite around 300 for lowest model. Probably going up to $500 for all the storage/ram configd

[tame saddle]

What's yikes?

[short gust]

dont see it

and why its not pinned bruh

[tame saddle]

See what?

[short gust]

8gen2 O3 variant proof

[tame saddle]

Because usually you don't pin passing comments. Bro acting like anything is pinned in these chats anyway 😆

[short gust]

bruh, still cant find

reply it ...

[tame saddle]

#1407320894317264896 message

I'd assume it's them replying to someone complaining about 8 elite and it's assumed price

[short gust]

oh maybe

rip

[tame saddle]

I mean it's smart

[short gust]

smart to give g3 gen3 for less

[tame saddle]

Basically makes it an all around better rp5 if they can get near that price

[short gust]

hmmm

maybe that was device what we are waiting 250$ 8gen2

who knows

[tame saddle]

But yeah. Alright to cannibalize from your older models

[short gust]

and RP6 for 220$

[tame saddle]

Possibly

[short gust]

could be

[tame saddle]

Looks like they want to be price aggressive which is good for us

[short gust]

yeah

they in safe until fresh bloods companies will try to make something with high end socs

with 0 or low marge per unit

[manic wraith]

Where is the size comparison pic

[tame saddle]

Been waiting for MagicX to do something with their Two series but so far nothing

[manic wraith]

I saw it earlier can't find it anymore

[manic wraith]

Hmmmmmm

[short gust]

nothing special

they order dimencity7300-7350 same as XU

865 power close

[manic wraith]

Im struggling to see where o3 would sit in a good handheld rotation

It's looking like too very slightly too big to carry around everywhere, but slightly too small for couch/at home

[subtle zenith]

its basically slighly less chunky O2 😄

which is pretty nice size to bag around
if they offer slim bag like they did with original O2

[stiff quartz]

I'm glad that keeping the battery testing consistent helps! 🤣

[tame saddle]

With 8 elite it's a pretty awesome portable winlator machine

[short gust]

compability sucks

like 30% of all games which works with turnip doesnt on proprietary

[woven maple]

So this should be .... about the same size as a switch lite?

[short gust]

and which works and show better performance has tons of graphical artifacts

like god of war

performance good, but unplayable at all

[short gust]

nothing on AYN server

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Think it was social media

[tame saddle]

Compatibility with what?

Don't need turnip for winlator on 8 elite

At least that's what devs have said. Stock drivers work good

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Around there

[short gust]

admin

they trolling pretty sure

[woven maple]

The perfect size

[short gust]

ofc u need

check how good turnip perform on Kimchi, and find the same on ELite 😉

gamehub/winlator they all work way better with it

even some switch games need it

[tame saddle]

It was kimchi who said it 😆

Like f me dude. Your set in stone

[short gust]

I saw it, but he won't buy a console/device on Elite for emulation, draw your own conclusions.

[urban grail]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[short gust]

I think he's just saying that on purpose so that people will stop bothering him and his team with the port on Elite.

[tame saddle]

Sounds like your drawing enough random conclusions for all of us including him 😆

Totally

[short gust]

i think so, maybe wrong

[tame saddle]

Man is creating driver dev conspiracies now

[urban grail]

this is hilarious to read btw, please keep going 😄

[tame saddle]

Supposedly kimchi farted near a y700. Must mean it will never get driver support and must be lit on fire when seen

[short gust]

But it's obvious that they've been bombarded with this question for a long time, and they've answered it repeatedly.

[tame saddle]

Yeah. They're just not big babies. Theyd just say fuck off. The real problem is there struggling to even get parity with the a8xx

Now switch likely needs turnips to run at all. But switch is all kinds of fucked like that. You wouldn't think a modern system would be such a pain

Plenty of indie titles I'd rather run on winlator then try to emulate on switch

[urban grail]

ahh switch emulation on android

[errant sable]

Eden has been pretty good with the latest rc3 so far

[urban grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aAyQnTQe3k emulation/performance looks pretty good going from this tbh

[short gust]

''The real problem is there struggling to even get parity with the a8xx'' It's possible, but it's too vague, they said. Parity in what and where?

This is 100% not about emulation

[tame saddle]

Go ask kimchi. He said it

And your the kimchi whisperer

[errant sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kimchi-kimchi-slap-slap-korean-slap-gif-12092713

[tame saddle]

None of this is. We don't actually play games. We just configure things that could

[short gust]

Perhaps they encountered difficulties with native Android applications during testing.

Even on beta/alpha drivers from mr. Purple, there were problems like this

[tame saddle]

Dunno what you're talking about. But parity with GPU drivers usually means benchmarking at similar levels when configured the same

I don't think they've gone further then that

[clever halo]

Someone is testing switch on the Elite chip via Ryujinx and this is some actually impressive performance

[short gust]

that true

[tame saddle]

But there's little reason to continue developing for a platform your struggling to even match the performance of it it's taken a while

[short gust]

most of switch games (which dont have compability emu problem) running perfect on elite

so Elite handheld will be good option for switch and below (with graphics mods)

[quaint dust]

All I know is I was considering buying a Lenovo Y700 Elite tab but not anymore with the 03

[short gust]

Why did you decide to get the Odin 3 instead of the Pocket Fit elite btw?

I'm still in a state of confusion. 70% of me wants to wait and buy the G3 Gen3, while 30% wants the Elite.

[tame saddle]

In the same boat. Honestly probably the only way I'd buy an Odin 3

Was gonna pass otherwise

[quaint dust]

I haven’t yet , it’s between the two TBH .
I like what both bring to the table so it will cone down to price .
One thing I dont like on the O3 the Fit has is the Xbox button layout which I prefer .
Everything else looks like the O3 is slightly better more or less

[subtle zenith]

wait the android ryu got released in the end? i thought it died with the murder by big N before release

[errant sable]

I dont think ryu is on android

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Button layout never bothered me but the other differences def lean towards o3 for me

[wary matrix]

I hope $319 to shit on the G3 Gen3 Version

[short gust]

fork

Kenji-NX

[subtle zenith]

oooh i see

[short gust]

https://github.com/Kenji-NX/Android-Releases/releases

[swift nacelle]

compare these two and you have your answer

[subtle zenith]

nice to see it ended up releasing i this form at least

[short gust]

thor good device

[short gust]

???

dont understand what u trying to say

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/-f05vwcwWoI?si=8bAJ4h4u48OI4rgl

[swift nacelle]

no 8gen2 on the odin 3

no lite sku

basically

[short gust]

they dont plan it yes

but probably can ... after see so much hate on Elite

[wary matrix]

They won't as it's called Odin 3

[short gust]

G3x Gen2 / G3 Gen3 / 8 Gen 3 options

[errant sable]

Someone gets it

[swift nacelle]

you see, people who don't like the elite on the odin 3 will just buy a portal

ayn dont care

[short gust]

maybe

[wary matrix]

No options, just Elite

Like the THOR is an extra device not in the ODIN numbers, but this won't get an alternative SoC, aside from maybe Retroid doing a d-pad on top version with G2 Gen2

[short gust]

Maybe so, especially since companies like that haven't changed anything

[subtle zenith]

i might consider portal version of O3 next year , depening on how the Elite highend emu ends up being by then

but definitely no rush into it now 😄

[quaint dust]

It’s not a deal breaker just personal preference and I hate buying new hardware and have to swap buttons to my liking.

[short gust]

i believe ayaneo can force mesa to rush

[subtle zenith]

especialyl when i will have cheap Portal in middle of the month

[leaden hollow]

If they make an odin 3 mini it will be 👌

[short gust]

maybe next year ...

[wary matrix]

You just grabbed a Portal after all, I want baby Portal

[subtle zenith]

so what was your final decision?
i ended up with Portal Pro (used) + Thor base (preorder)

[errant sable]

I wish we got more unmarked button options for these devices or the option to buy them from the site

[short gust]

or Qualcomm itself will start focusing on emulation

Steam OS on ARM eh, dreams dreams

[wary matrix]

Depends on the price of the Odin 3 still, probably Odin 3 Max and Thor Pro

[errant sable]

One of the big thing I like about the o2 is being able to change buttons pretty easily

[subtle zenith]

i dont think they can match my used Portal for 200€ 😄

[wary matrix]

Probably not

[subtle zenith]

• thor being a thing ended up changing my needs for "high end android candybar"

so bigger screen goes brrr

• Elite is big question ... so by the time O3 Portal/mini appers it will be more tested through

[clever halo]

Im probably gonna get the 3 Pro or Max

I don't care too much about Switch Emu atm, so compatability is a non-factor for me

[short gust]

O3
O3 Pro
O3 Max
O3 Pro Max

[clever halo]

plus i find the Portal too big for my needs tbh

[tame saddle]

This is my eventual path with pro/max reversed

[subtle zenith]

tbqh for my needs sd8g2 .. is already more than enough ... and by that point the willingness to upgrade relies on other stuff than raw power .... so i would probably go for portal even if it was same price as O3 with elite ... just for the bigger screen 😄

[tame saddle]

I just see me keeping the Thor for longer. If hinge doesn't explode

[fast sable]

No updates for nearly 3 months isnt encouraging if people are going to champion this instead of Eden for the Elite chip

[short gust]

Eden most stable, but not highest performance

better use 3 different depend what game

[fast sable]

And that's where it loses me 😅

[worldly geyser]

wish we had a device like this with x86 APU like the one from the steam deck, sure you would probably have to make the device thicker for a bit more battery but I could see limiting power to 12W instead of 15W to make the cooling work

but PC handhelds seem to all be about 1 up'ing each other

and pump in ever more power

[short gust]

u can get Z1 Rog Ally and Steam Deck LCD for 350-400$

[worldly geyser]

significantly larger form factor

[short gust]

oh u want compact pc handheld

[worldly geyser]

ye this is 6 inch screen

[tidal oak]

Z2go has potential for a lower watt package. I really liked the lower model LEGO S

But I don’t think we see lower power stuff till 2026

[short gust]

S has problem, price ...

[worldly geyser]

yeah there is no need for athlon like chips currently

[tidal oak]

Supposedly AMD has a 1-2W APU in the pipeline

That rivals Qualcomm stuff in efficiency

[umbral heron]

PC Handhelds can feel redundant if you stream and also already have a gaming PC at home

[wary matrix]

Thor 2 in 1-2 years with 4.8" 120hz 1280×960 bottom OLED panel tho?

[short gust]

stream ew

anyway nah, PC is PC

[umbral heron]

Haven’t tried it, so I have no real opinions on whether one is better than the other

[short gust]

compact PC handheld is different story

[umbral heron]

I personally don’t know if I’d really want both a PC handheld and an Odin 3.
Maybe Legion Go 2 for the nearly 9 inch OLED?
I’ll figure out if I wanna do that or do streaming from a gaming PC on the Odin 3 instead

[short gust]

sadly Ayaneo Next Lite was out for small amount

[placid chasm]

Odin 3 size is small enough that it is certainly more portable than pc handhelds

[short gust]

max settings 😄 (good example how can perform Elite, without issues it much better than 8g3 turnip)

[placid chasm]

👀

[tawny bluff]

Why not put odin 3 screen on a gameboy like handheld

Wouldn't that be ultimate?

[worldly geyser]

the thing is efficiency is a curve anyways not a single value, a lot of the x86 APUs are really efficient but said efficiency only starts scaling well if you already reached 15W, that's how the deck on TSMC 6nm can often outperform newer chips on a more efficient process node like 4nm for low power draw scenarios because those chips were designed with more power in mind for ultrabooks

[tame saddle]

Ayaneo konkr fit x86 is the only one I know of

[worldly geyser]

I think the obsession with handheld PCs being able to play AAA games where the push for ever faster chips comes from

personally I would mainly want x86 because the indie game selection for PC is amazing

[tame saddle]

Even then I think they said it'd be 7"

[worldly geyser]

yeah outside of AYN and ayaneo with the loki and air series nobody really tried to do 6" x86 handhelds in a long while

guess the GPD win 4 and the anbernic win600 existed

[tame saddle]

I'd love an updated win600 with like an Intel n250

[worldly geyser]

but the trend is to bruteforce more performance so we only see larger handhelds between 7-8.8" to fit a big battery and beefy cooling

[worldly geyser]

honestly instead of the win600 take something like the RG557 and make that a bit larger and stick it in there, much better ergonomics

but yeah n250 would be cool, it would def be a niche within the handheld PC market which is why I don't think anybody will do it (sadly)

there are so many indie games and old games on PC you could play at or below 10W

I personally just realized for me the steam deck while being an awesome handheld is a bit too large

[tidal oak]

The konkr is android

Aya slide, win mini, win4 are 6”?

Oh and Loki?

I’m sure I’m missing some. Then there’s the 5.5’s

Ayaneo airs

I’ve tried most of them. They are all heavy, hot, and nothing like a steam deck experience lol

And expensive

[placid chasm]

Which gameboy tho?

[fast sable]

There is a windows version as well

[worldly geyser]

yes

the ayaneo air series was 5.5" even

and the air plus 6"

[tame saddle]

They're doing an x86 konkr

[worldly geyser]

they have weird ergonomics tho

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I wasn't a huge fan

Gotta say I'm more interested in the x86 konkr then android

Especially if they do what they did for android and try to pack power into a cheaper package

[worldly geyser]

exactly they all commit to 15W, I think one has to be realistic and limit to 12W or something in such a form factor - we sadly have not seen somebody give that a go

[fringe frigate]

Guys, the Thor has a cheaper model despite them never using that chip in another handheld before. It's almost guaranteed this thing's going to have an 8g2 option

[worldly geyser]

I would def say a 6" N250 handheld would be a nice starter, those chips should be relatively cheap

[tame saddle]

Yeah. And very efficient

[worldly geyser]

yeah it's more unique in the current market

[tame saddle]

Could play a ton of older PC games on em

[tidal oak]

Oh really. Welp maybe that will be decent but no oled sucks lol

I’m loving my switch lite oled. Lol

[tame saddle]

Who knows. If it's 7 inches there's options

[worldly geyser]

ideally I would like to see a company already ship with bazzite instead of windows but that shall remain wishful thinking

the issue with the loki and air plus (I own one with 7320U) is that those were so limited quantity they have issues in all linux versions that are usually used like steamOS

and the ergonomics are terrible on the air plus, I got it on clearance sale for 250 bucks but wasn't really worth it lol

we have just come a lot closer to nice 6" form factors since then imo

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Windows offers all kinds of incentives

[tame saddle]

My battery went spicy and there's no replacements. Which is a shame. On my Loki that is

[worldly geyser]

but yeah to bring it back to the Odin 3, it could still be fun to mess around with esp. if it gets rocknix support - personally I am not a huge fan of android

[worldly geyser]

yeah that sucks, sadly just something you cannot avoid with these smaller manufacturers I guess

[tame saddle]

It's why them dropping an 8gen2 model wouldn't be the worst scenario

For rocknix

[worldly geyser]

hm

[short gust]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1zxhizFEb1/ (Elite)

[worldly geyser]

yeah I am biased towards linux, if it's something you flash and it just works for the specific device it feels much better to me than android

also portmaster and native pico-8

[short gust]

drivers moment

but performance so good

[tame saddle]

Xbox too

Linux has its advantages

If you never go into those worlds androids very consistent at least

And can be frontended with a launcher to at least seem complete

[worldly geyser]

yeah it just feels like a phone which I dislike

you can for sure

for me it's just not worth the hassle

I like stuff like portmaster and linux a lot more xD

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Luckily I just prep SD cards and take 5 min to configure them once in

[subtle zenith]

sso basically Elite is big boost for people that want to mess with Winlator ...

[tame saddle]

Portmaster is a big draw tho

[subtle zenith]

but more of a drawback for highe end console emu as of now

[tidal oak]

Or Android games

[umbral heron]

Also a big battery life boost for PS2/GCN/Wii

[tame saddle]

Winlator, android gaming, game streaming

[subtle zenith]

streaming?

[worldly geyser]

is the 8 elite on 3nm?

[tame saddle]

Should be more efficient yeah

[tidal oak]

Yeah elite has sub 1ms decode

[subtle zenith]

huh , in what way

[tidal oak]

Basically on par with x86 streaming

[worldly geyser]

that's solid

[tame saddle]

Any performance boost will improve underlying processes which can invoke delays

[subtle zenith]

hmm

[umbral heron]

I’m honestly more interested in the way longer battery life than the performance numbers outright.
Seeing the comparison earlier of the Y700 getting almost 3 hours more than the Odin 2 for God of War II made me more positive about this having an Elite

[worldly geyser]

decode time esp.

[tidal oak]

My portal has 2-3ms decode

[tame saddle]

8 elite is pretty efficient for sleep, general activities and some emulators draw significantly less power

[worldly geyser]

since streaming sends the data in compressed to the device

[subtle zenith]

so basically boost nothing i would use it for

[short gust]

yes

[tidal oak]

Sounds like it’s not for you then

[subtle zenith]

and is for my usecase meaningless upgrades where sd8g2 is already overkill for me

[short gust]

soon

[worldly geyser]

I feel like currently it is used to win the spec sheet wars against ayaneo lol

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I mean if you're retro emulating 8gen2 is fine. Maybe 865. Heh

[umbral heron]

Sounds like it’d actually fit my use case pretty well honestly

[subtle zenith]

yeah pretty much

[tame saddle]

It would still help your battery life and system performance but not noticeable gains in most retro emulators

[worldly geyser]

if the 8 elite eventually gets more support tho it might age like fine wine

[tidal oak]

Rn my flip2 is my emulator and my portal is my pc streamer and my switch lite oled is my main switch handheld.

[worldly geyser]

hard to predict the future tho

[tame saddle]

Yeah. That's basically the pinnacle for gaming emulation until PS3+ is updated

[tidal oak]

Sd 8 gen 2 and 865 are both very good

[umbral heron]

Definitely.
Agree that it’s hard to know what it’ll be like in the future, but even if it takes until we’re already at like Odin 4 for driver support, you might be able to find the Odin 3 (Portal) for a decently lower price later on

[short gust]

it will

[subtle zenith]

like for my usecase if battery takes 6h or 8h ... is kidna irrelevant as i rarely ever playsessions longer than 3h

[tame saddle]

Can also just buy in the future when 8 elite are in the Odin 3 mini, Odin 3 portal, Odin 3 micro, Odin 3 BAMF, and Odin 3 Thor 2 Tri-Screen. Will probably be cheaper then 😆

[worldly geyser]

I tend to agree, but I just say it the other way because people might base their buying decision on reading chats here

[subtle zenith]

and if portal has 2-3ms delay .... thats barely noticeable already

so 1ms less cahnges nothing for me on streaming

[worldly geyser]

exactly, I am not one to fall for fomo anyways

[umbral heron]

^

[tidal oak]

For me, yeah I can’t tell.

[umbral heron]

Already not planning to buy the Thor for a while either

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Always wise to wait. I just won't be able to resist if Ayn drops 8 elite for some crazy undercut price

[worldly geyser]

correct, for most people around +/- 10ms will mean more

[tame saddle]

Wise for hinge reasons. But including the 8gen2 means the internals are a solid well known

[placid chasm]

Much to ponder

[tidal oak]

This is why the Ayaneo pocket air and rg556 failed for me 🙁 d1200 decode times were assss

[umbral heron]

AYN has always given me the impression of being a company that makes products with the long-term longevity in mind

So I’m not in a rush to buy the O3 or Thor, etc

[worldly geyser]

I bet, yeah

[tidal oak]

It’s funny how much better snapdragons are at it. The 865 gets sub 5ms

[worldly geyser]

unless it's the loki xD

[tame saddle]

Yeah. It's one of the reasons I hesitate less

[umbral heron]

The what now? /j

[tame saddle]

Who knows what will happen to konkr if targets aren't met

Yeah. We don't talk about loki

[worldly geyser]

ayaneo releases 500 devices a year

that's just what they do

they have leveled fomo strats to the max as well

[subtle zenith]

yeah i might consider upgrading to Odin 3 Portal .... depending on how 8 Elite will grow .... but i just dont see myself ever caring for adroid games

[worldly geyser]

super duper early bird preorder price now

[tame saddle]

I'm glad they at least sold off their x86 ambitions once they realized they weren't gonna be able to support it like they needed to

[subtle zenith]

or winlator (in current form), maybe if Valve develops proton-like layer for Arm

but by that time we will be in for Odin5

[umbral heron]

SteamOS already has ARM code in it for a potential ARM release later down the road

[tame saddle]

They need to just put steam OS on arm. At that point fuck android I'm out

[umbral heron]

I think it’s apparently for VR, but I legit think SteamOS or Bazzite on ARM would be so killer once more PC games/Proton supports it

[subtle zenith]

iirc thats currently planned for the upcoming VR headset (currently rumoured to have snapdragon XR .... aka XR version of 8 Elite)

[worldly geyser]

yeah if we got something to play most steam games on ARM I wouldn't want x86 nearly as bad

[subtle zenith]

so thats years away for regural games

[worldly geyser]

but it sounds like a huge undertaking

[placid chasm]

With how fast these devices come out it is always valid to just wait

[tame saddle]

Emudeck is like dumb easy. It's why I've been crying for a steam deck mini

[placid chasm]

Fomo is the enemy

[worldly geyser]

I use retro deck but yeah

[umbral heron]

Legit if that happens, I’d put SteamOS on my eventual O3, and keep Android on my Thor

[worldly geyser]

steam deck mini would be the dream

[umbral heron]

I think Android + clamshell is a killer combo

[tame saddle]

I'd expect at least 2 or 3 more years and then maybe they'd drop it. Along with hardware. Valve likes to disrupt and doesn't rush to do so

[tame saddle]

Yeah. App splitting across screens is convenient

[placid chasm]

Honestly i foumd emudeck a bit finicky and unclear at times. It works, but i could see many people finding android emulation easier

[worldly geyser]

maybe? proton is based on wine so some work has already been done, I can only speculate but a full x86 to arm translation layer sounds more complex to me

[subtle zenith]

i mean if anyone has the power ands money to force it through 😄 its valve

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Until your switching drivers and whatnot. It's more that it feels polished. Like a unified experience

[subtle zenith]

they basically funded and contribude to loots of stuff to make proton happen

[tame saddle]

Well they got time. At least they don't seem to be in a rush to get steam deck 2 out the door

[placid chasm]

Idk if they will do a steam deck 2 or not

[worldly geyser]

to me it was clear that the deck 2 would be waiting for ML based upscalers at least

[subtle zenith]

like there are devs at valve whose job was to contrubute to opensource linux project ... to push some long term plans ...... so i bet it will be the same on arm side

[placid chasm]

They may not wanna do a lot of hardware

[worldly geyser]

yeah deck 2 will heavily depend on what AMD offers at the time

it's gonna be opportunistic, valve mainly wants to sell software ofc

[subtle zenith]

they already confirmed they will

multiple times

[worldly geyser]

hardware is lower margin ofc but if it helps them shape the market it can be worth it

[placid chasm]

I see

[subtle zenith]

but want the "generational leap" which didnt halppen yet

[worldly geyser]

they said they are working on one, can always get cancelled

yep APUs with FSR 4 or newer are the next chance for a leap

so probably 2027+

[subtle zenith]

yeah sounds about right

[tame saddle]

Vrr and whatnot?

[worldly geyser]

VRR is more of a screen spec tbh

[tame saddle]

True

[worldly geyser]

lot of the smaller OLED screens have no VRR support

[tame saddle]

But I think the ml scaling uses it to its advantage

Yeah. So far legion go 2 is the only larger OLED with vrr I think

Bet that screen is gonna look gorgeous in person

[worldly geyser]

ML upscaling is just using machine learning to upscale, so like DLSS; XeSS and FSR 4+

currently FSR only has none ML based models to uspcale on the deck and current consoles

that's why FSR 4 results are so much better than FSR 2-3 for upscaling

[worldly geyser]

yeah I am not quite sure if it's a demand issue for smaller OLEDs or if there is a technical reason VRR cannot work well on OLEDs at or below 7", not sure

[tame saddle]

Probably demand. I imagine it'll roll out eventually

[gilded edge]

to me 8elite is the clear choice. We will have better compatibility with it in the future. All highend devices from this year use it. The next 8elite 2 will be an iteration over it, so any compatibility improvement will also go to 8elite (same thing happened with 8gen1)

and performance between 8elite and 8gen3 is significant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49F27QzZMLw

/\ 8gen3 rpcsx drakengard 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=527sI7_0YQQ

/\ 8elite rpcsx drakengard 3

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Just depends on price for me

And what I plan to actually play on it

[gilded edge]

I don't think swich on 8elite will improve this year(mainly bcause the switch 2 was launched this year) , but next year for sure it will.

[subtle zenith]

next year sounds about time for O3 Portal 😄

[gilded edge]

yeap

[tame saddle]

To be fair I'll be playing switch on my switch 2 and OLED switch lite anyway

So it is a lower priority for me if I was gonna pick this up

[subtle zenith]

tbh i am of multimple mind there ... some games just look and play dreadfull on actual switch ... and modding on emulator improves it a lot

but yeah for most games it should be fine

[short gust]

chip? and overclocked?

[subtle zenith]

like i just started a playthrough of Luminous Platinum on my swoled .... but will probably move said playthrough to Thor as soon as it arrives .. just to have whole series on single device available with click og a button 😄

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Battery too

[subtle zenith]

doesnt OC shorten the battery life ? by like hour or two

[short gust]

ofc it does

battery life less

but u can chose how many power u need atm

[tame saddle]

6250

[short gust]

nice

[tame saddle]

To be fair besides lowering draw I don't do half of what I could. Screen is gorgeous for playing tho

[short gust]

why u overpay for switch oled lite instead of base and super7 oled mod (top tier panel) ?

[tame saddle]

Size. Wanted companion to switch 2

[short gust]

fair

[main dock]

also lite and oled have the better revised socs

tegra x1+ or something

[short gust]

just binned soc and ram

in fact can reach higher freqs and at less volts

[wary matrix]

It's kinda fun that the Odin 3 will be basically the same size as my AYANEO SLIDE

just not half as much of a brick

[tidal oak]

I really enjoy the lite and a flip case. It’s the perfect bedside console

And quiet buttons

[kindred crypt]

oh I didn't know the aya slide was that compact, that's neat

[woven maple]

Its dense!

[torn saffron]

He was literally talking about needing to get an 8 elite device for winlator.

[umbral heron]

This popped into my head earlier today, but I've been thinking about the likely possibility of an O3P becoming a thing within the next year.
Would Elite chip make even more sense then if the O3P had 1440p?
It'd be able to play the same games as 8gen2 at a higher resolution without draining as much battery life, right? (I know Odin 2 lineup only has 1080p, but you can still upscale the resolution in emulator settings past what the screens support)

[clever halo]

It would make sense

But also at that point, why not go higher and go 2k

[umbral heron]

Aren't 2k and 1440p the same thing?

Could've just said 2k I guess x3

[clever halo]

True xD

[umbral heron]

Not sure how likely it is for us to get 2k on the O3P, but I'd likely buy it instead of the O3 if it had it.
I already play my games at 2k on my M1 Mac Mini despite it playing at 4k just fine bc that's what my monitor supports up to. I'm just imagining how good PPI wise 2k would look on a much smaller screen than my monitor

[leaden hollow]

We need an odin 3 portal max ultra with a 10 inch oled screen fr

[umbral heron]

#1407305533462941716 message

One of the Eden devs have confirmed that they're working on a Vulkan rework that will make it a lot more memory efficient

From my understanding of what I read that was said later, it's basically what Ryujinx figured out

[clever halo]

WOOOO

[clever halo]

One of the few times im cool with an all black model

[lethal magnet]

I'm usually a blue color fan but Clear Purple looks much better imho

[clever halo]

OH

https://youtu.be/gKrZ_4kVZSM

[clever halo]

That one is far more shakey imho

[swift nacelle]

As shaky as it gets

[clever halo]

The Elite is still a relatively new chip with alot of potential + Qualcomm being open to the 8 gen made sense in context to the 8 gem 2 being a "older chip"

I highly doubt they will allow that for their "current" flagship

[rich gale]

and the joystick is larger but it has the same stem as odin2/ odin2 portal, rp5 so any aftermarket caps made for those devices should work

[swift nacelle]

Yeah I wouldn’t expect anything in the next two years

[clever halo]

Tbh, I'm just happy that more shit is happening to get this in enthusiast hands. Also with the confirmation that the Eden devs are working on a Vulkan rework for Eden, compatability should start to become much less of an issue as they start to update and implement this rework

[clever halo]

So probably the last android before Google's BS

[trim fossil]

It only applies to devices that are certified by Google. If the Odin isn't, then the changes don't apply

[trim panther]

Also next year is only in a few counties

[hot sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/red-color-favorite-color-simon-pryce-red-wiggle-gif-15016424

[jagged grail]

please be RP5 plastic quality/texture

[autumn obsidian]

damn that clear blue actually lookin kind of clean

[ripe stirrup]

Purple winning in the poll though 😢

[clever halo]

WE DON'T NEED MORE PURPLE

[swift nacelle]

I think purple looks good

But make the Thor blue instead

[clever halo]

I like the Blue more

Idk that shade of blue is appealing

[autumn obsidian]

super curious to see the pricing on this

this might be something i pick up later on used from the marketplace

[urban grail]

indeed 😄 we can vulture the marketplace

[autumn obsidian]

indeed! haha once the 8 elite gets better driver support its gonna be even more of a beast

[noble dust]

Debating between the Thor 3 or just keeping my y700 elite 🤔

[autumn obsidian]

i mean keep the y700 either way haha cause tablet things

[errant sable]

The legion tablets are pretty nice

[autumn obsidian]

i have the 2023 y700, i love it

one of my most used devices for sure

[quaint dust]

Which way d you guys want me voting because I’m getting boring black and don’t particularly care about the colored models

[autumn obsidian]

black always looks clean af tho

[subtle zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-no-noooo-gif-7347380959994097336

[autumn obsidian]

i would get black as well haha

[urban grail]

both i think 😄

[subtle zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/both-both-is-good-gif-15014583

[noble dust]

Haha both is an option too

[autumn obsidian]

this will be a nice upgrade for someone who doesn't have any of the odin 2 line

but its hard to get as excited when you own 8g2 devices already imo

[quaint dust]

We are spoiled by choices these days and I love it

[autumn obsidian]

hopefully this brings more driver support in the future for the 8 elite tho

[autumn obsidian]

spoiled af haha

what if base for the odin 3 is 400+

cause of the 8 elite

[urban grail]

i wish the y700 2023 wasnt so much here in UK otherwise I'd get one 😄 £250 odd is more than id want to spend

[autumn obsidian]

its so worth

[urban grail]

it is but i have so many devices already 😄

[autumn obsidian]

how many are you at atm?

[quaint dust]

If that’s the price Im looking at the Konkr Fit at that point or not upgrading at all , my O2 still runs great

[autumn obsidian]

yea i have an og odin 2 pro and odin 2 portal so its hard to see where something like this would fit atm

but if 8 elite support gets better i def wouldn't mind picking up one up later on

also heavily considering a thor as well so lol

[quaint dust]

We’ll see how this all plays out but $400 for base that typically has 8gb of RAM and 128gbs of storage is a big nope on my part

[autumn obsidian]

i just don't see how they keep the price as low as odin2 launch price with the 8 elite and a custom display in it

[quaint dust]

I can see it being that expensive but I ain’t buying it at that price, I guess the Elite Konkr is going to be $400

[kindred crypt]

dear god people please vote blue

I can't take another transparent purple anymore

[autumn obsidian]

i voted for blue

i wouldn't get it but the mock up looks good af

[robust chasm]

I voted blue 👍

[urban grail]

erm.... too many 😂

[worldly sail]

Quick, one of the mods in there! Kill the poll and say most of the purple votes were bots!

[weary kernel]

it' s too bad thor doesn't have a transparent blue option

[kindred crypt]

help me spread the word if you are team blue: https://reddit.com/r/OdinHandheld/comments/1n6ie6w/purple_is_currently_winning_if_youd_like_to_see/

[fast sable]

And what's it worth to you 🤔

[worldly sail]

Oh, that was just a joke. Don’t actually do that, I’d rather lose the blue than get it with those kinds of tactics.

Unless you find out that purple team actually is using bots, in which case that’s just the mods doing their job properly to ensure the votes are fair.

And yes, if Blue team is also using bots, it would also be fair to get rid of those.

[swift nacelle]

128/8 black base sku incoming

feels illegal paired with a 8 elite

but ayn probably wants to market this as „starting from [cheap price]“

[ripe stirrup]

I hope it's 8/256 at least.
And base is probably locked to black which I would not bother to get if clear blue win the poll miraculously

[swift nacelle]

It’s gonna be 128/8GB.
it’s gonna be atomic purple.
And there’s nothing we can do about it.

Except just getting a Thor and waiting for Odin 3 Portal ;))

[kindred crypt]

@swift nacelle was correct

[swift nacelle]

I never lie

[subtle zenith]

jizz is always correct

[ornate lynx]

jigg goat

[quaint dust]

I changed my vote for you

[kindred crypt]

you switched to purple didn't you

[wary matrix]

Already was clear that that won't happen, also the price difference may be like $30 at best anyway

[kindred crypt]

could have been a solid back up option, not so much to save money but to avoid incompatibility issues if all you want is "original Odin 2 but OLED"

I would have considered it

[quaint dust]

Are there any games benchmarks or reviews of the Elite vs G3X gen 3/G3 gen 3 anywhere?
I know the Elite is only been found in phones and tablets but with active cooing should perform better consistently for extended periods.
I just want to see what the real world differences would be not Antutu synthetic benchmarks or tests

[short gust]

Noone compare them in game if i remember right

but u can check 3dmark wild life extreme it scales exact what will u get in games and emulation

[quaint dust]

https://youtu.be/gKrZ_4kVZSM?si=jlWSkQd0Abk6NsVw

[autumn obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/pineapple-express-craig-robinson-matheson-i-seent-it-gif-5293998

[errant sable]

russ has a video on the g3 gen 3 chip from the pocket s2

just gotta watch some and see how they perform

[tame saddle]

It also, again, doesn't matter, you'll still be able to side load apks, even unsigned ones

[umbral heron]

People will find a way even if Google somehow manages to block sideloading by default

[tame saddle]

There's already a work around in the worst case scenario 😆

[umbral heron]

Just all around goofiness as a whole.

[tame saddle]

You can register your account (most people use dummy ones anyway for these devices) as a test account with Google and then none of the restrictions apply. But that's like, if they go nuttso and really block it hardcore

My guess is there will be like a toggle in dev options

[umbral heron]

Hoping Clear Blue wins having directly asked for it when Nicole asked what colors we wanted to see, but if Purple wins, it will at least match my eventual purple Thor

Ngl, bit of a shame Thor doesn’t have a clear blue option

[tame saddle]

Transparent purple is kinda like GC for me. It was cool at first, but now it's been done so much I'm just kinda over it

[umbral heron]

I only have about a year in the hobby, so I haven’t really gotten to see or get it as much, but I have lot of nostalgia for the clear purple n64 controllers

I like transparent options in general

[clever halo]

Gimme clear red or green

Or metallics

[umbral heron]

Green would be cool, especially with grey buttons.
I really like my clear green Anbernic SP

[rain crescent]

Green would be something different I'd be down for that.

[tame saddle]

I still just want a cobalt blue. But my guess is I'll just have to get it custom done at some point myself

Nintendo's semi metallic solids were some of the best

[rigid breach]

For clear I would love to see a GBA Glacier color, feel like that one's overlooked. It's always clear purple

[umbral heron]

Maybe for O3P?
The O2P already references the Indigo GBA

There’s color options that have been done on official hardware I might really like that I just haven’t remembered exist

[tame saddle]

Cobalt and indigo are kinda different. I could care less about another indigo system.

I just want more bright solid colors

Like the Ferrari red flip 1

Something fun

I know ayns not really the place for that but

Also bummer there's no 8gen2. Think it would have made the most sense for the compatibility crowd. I'm only interested in the 8 elite tho. And my interest wanes if it hits $400

[umbral heron]

8 Elite should be going further down in price with Elite 2 coming out soon.
I’ll put my faith in AYN pricing this well, hope it’s not misplaced

[short gust]

it already cheap

The price will not decrease significantly with the release of the new processor.

[novel panther]

I do wonder what price they'll do

[umbral heron]

A decrease is still a decrease 👌

[novel panther]

8 Elite can't be their usual $329 surely

[short gust]

they change vector

its good

[umbral heron]

Would gladly take the chip getting cheaper even if just slightly

[errant sable]

thats in the thor chat tho

[novel panther]

Yeah but she was speaking about AYN as a whole

[umbral heron]

Between $349 and $399 would be my guess

[novel panther]

That'd be cheap for an 8 Elite

[umbral heron]

It also depends on the ram and storage config.
We haven’t really seen below 12gb for Elite, but O3 could be a first

[short gust]

329 will cost g3 gen 3

[umbral heron]

The Konkr Elite is also projected to be $399

[short gust]

yh

[fast sable]

I'll guess $379

[short gust]

Konkr is Ayaneo so

[umbral heron]

Considering Ayaneo isn’t exactly known for bang for buck pricing, the chances of the O3 being cheaper than that are good

[short gust]

budget friendly premium sub-brand

[novel panther]

Other than having "Elite" in its name, the Konkr Elite hasn't actually been confirmed to have a SD 8 Elite tho right? Or is that confirmed now?

[short gust]

confirmed

[novel panther]

Ah, right right

[fast sable]

The budget friendly device that has their most powerful chip yet 🤔

[short gust]

yup

[novel panther]

Damn if AyaNeo are 399 for an Elite then I guess AYN will be cheaper afterall

[short gust]

ofc it will

AYN Odin3 cant cost like Ayaneo Konkr Elite

[novel panther]

Yeah AYN always undercut AyaNeo

Long may it last

[umbral heron]

At most it’ll maybe match it, but best case and likely scenario, it undercuts it

[fast sable]

Tbh if its the same price it would have the OLED screen over it

[short gust]

wait a minute ... its LCD?

I thought oled

[fast sable]

In the konkr its LCD I believe

[short gust]

oh

[umbral heron]

Yeah, at that point it’d be a matter of if you prefer LCD/IPS or OLED, and the IPS (or is it just an LCD?) will be the more niche screen

[short gust]

so Odin3 can cost realy the same ...

[errant sable]

144hz lcd

[novel panther]

Yeah, they're trying to market it as "no compromises" or some shit lol

It's LCD mate, you've compromised it

[fast sable]

In fact it has to be because only AYN has the 6" OLED

[tame saddle]

This is what I'm banking on actually. Heh

[umbral heron]

It’s literally only if you’re someone who can’t tolerate OLED that well that the Konkr Elite would be better

[short gust]

u mean they have personal panel?

[fast sable]

Yes

[short gust]

make sense

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Contracted

Probably with partners and times exclusivity

[short gust]

who made it btw?

tcl? (biggest btw)

[tame saddle]

Still an unknown

[fast sable]

I dont think thats known

[tame saddle]

If they're banking their two flagship releases on it I imagine it has to be decent tho

Pretty big investment over just picking something off the shelf

[short gust]

well well well, alr ... Odin3 now more interesting for me

cant use lcd after oled, even top-end miniled from tcl

[fast sable]

Same. I cant go back after OLED

[tame saddle]

I think it's gonna be a banger. But if it's too pricey I'm fine waiting for better compatibility and lower price down the road

Like $400 gets me dangerously close to other stuff I'd rather put the money towards

[umbral heron]

Just having OLED on my iPhone has made me want to eventually get more OLED

OLED is so nice

[tame saddle]

I haven't been a big OLED stickler. Still have led TVs and monitors. But it's more price than not wanting it

Bout to have my first OLED TV delivered so maybe it'll ruin me for good

[umbral heron]

I’ve seen some sub-$500 27 inch OLED monitors recently

[short gust]

iphone use worst oled phone panel btw 🙂

[umbral heron]

No clue how good they are

[short gust]

u will be shocked when see normal

[novel panther]

Hell yeah

[umbral heron]

I’m aware it’s not the best haha

[short gust]

in high quality content

[umbral heron]

Even more reason for me

[tame saddle]

Yeah. It's getting there. Just hard when led still has some great image for like 1/4 the price. I'm sure some of the markup is artificial but

[clever halo]

Ik putting my bets it between 330 and 380 for the Odin 3. 400 would be too dangerous for them with everything else coming out and anything under 330 vastly undercuts margins.

[short gust]

they will again play in dumb game, who first get much cheaper ...

limited pre-orders etc

[umbral heron]

330 seems a bit low?
I wonder if that’d be feasible with like a 8gb 256gb 8 Elite sku

Again, there hasn’t really been under 12gb for 8 Elite as far as Ik

[tame saddle]

$330 would be day one buy for me. I loved the portal but it was just too big. I'd rarely move it away from the couch because then id have to carry it back

[clever halo]

I say 330 as the like

[short gust]

Elite use 12gb at base

[clever halo]

Absolutely minimum they can go

Like

[short gust]

cheapest Elite phone now btw 400$ (but the phone is much more expensive than the console)

[tame saddle]

Which is really all I'd need

[clever halo]

I don't see 330, but its the lowest i can feasibly see

[tame saddle]

Like my winlator dabbling is pretty minimal. And I'm not usually pushing AAA when I do

[umbral heron]

Ah, sweet.
And phones tend to be pricier than handhelds with the same chip

I’m still sticking to my personal prediction of between $349 to $399, with the more likely option being something in between

[tame saddle]

Phone must have a 4 inch lcd

Lowest I could find was like $500. And it was pretty bottom barrel

[short gust]

350$ for Odin3 will make epic hype

[tame saddle]

$350 is most likely

[short gust]

even for those who dont understand what arm is

350$ Elite, comone just buy it

[tame saddle]

They'd probably just do it because of Ayaneo's <399

[clever halo]

350 base, 420 Pro, 499 Max

[short gust]

999 Pro Max

[tame saddle]

Lol

[umbral heron]

Elite is powerful enough that I probably wouldn’t need anything more than Pro sku

[short gust]

Limited Edition

[umbral heron]

Pro with 16gb 512gb would be my choice in whichever clear color option wins

[short gust]

well, for games 12gb more than enough

[tame saddle]

I don't even think I'd need pro. Probably depends more on the storage bump rather than ram

[short gust]

any pc game

[tame saddle]

Like 256 is workable. But not ideal

[short gust]

it can eat more, but it dont realy need it

[tame saddle]

512 is like my entire retro catalog with occasional higher end swaps

[short gust]

i think i will get base model and after put max ram and rom byself

[tame saddle]

That and I have a couple 1tb cards I just move around

[short gust]

1tb and 16ram

[kindred crypt]

I know we've discussed this but can we please find 34 people to vote for blue

[tame saddle]

16 just seems excessive

[kindred crypt]

it's such a razor thin margin

[tame saddle]

I say as I buy the top model Thor 😆

[kindred crypt]

I feel like we can do it

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/lM9n938dcRw?si=7qZ4vzvnNSjSDPK everyone see that? (8gen3 LV) stock

[tame saddle]

That said, I'd probably end up selling my O3 in 3-6 months. My Thor is basically staying til Thor 2

So I felt max was justified

[umbral heron]

I mean hey, similar price to buying the Pro + a 1tb card, right?
It's very good value

[tame saddle]

Yeah. Their spread was solid.

I also would take it out of the house more than the o3. So I didn't want to mess around transferring stuff as much

[umbral heron]

Idk yet if I'm having both.
Might depend on if Retroid fixes the jank on their addon and what the XL version will be like Ig, but clamshells are my absolute favorite form factor, so I likely will get the Thor still sooner or later

[worldly sail]

Except it also has the regular Pocket Fit being projected to be less than $330 (lilely $329) despite having the G3 Gen 3, so all bets are off on that.

[umbral heron]

It's still Ayaneo at the end of the day.
We'll know for sure soon enough I guess

Kind of interesting to me actually that their G3 Gen 3 option isn't too much less than their Elite one

[worldly sail]

Yup, I’m mainly just keeping in mind that the classic “AYANEO blunder” for this one was them misusing Budget to describe Konkr when it’s really supposed to be them going for the same plans as Ayn in “having high end device specs at less expensive prices” (so basically it’s them avoiding the usual stuff that makes their mainline handhelds outright “boutique products”, like unnecessarily complex aluminum frames as an example).

So for all we know, this could be legit what the Odin 3 could’ve been if Ayn didn’t manage to get a custom manufactured OLED panel that may or may not be inexpensive to manufacture.

[umbral heron]

Was about time Ayaneo stopped living in 2019. x3
There's a lot more competition now and most people find them too overpriced and luxury (myself included).
I don't think they'll stop making their mainline stuff obviously, but I think them doing the Konkr line was a great idea

More competition is generally great

[kindred crypt]

have you voted for our lord and savior clear blue yet?

[urban grail]

meee

[umbral heron]

Absolutely.
In fact, I was one of the people asking for it after Nicole asked us for colors we wanted to see in the other server

[worldly lantern]

Be True. Be Blue.

[kindred crypt]

how can anybody say no to this beauty

(yes I am ridiculously emotionally invested in this)

[umbral heron]

It's like this for me: I won't say no to the Clear Purple winning, but I'm sure as hell saying "yes" to the Clear Blue winning

[worldly sail]

Come on people, we’re almost there.

[urban grail]

Just a little 😛 😄

[worldly geyser]

transparent neon green when?

[kindred crypt]

some fights are worth fighting for

we let purple win and it's over, we'll always get purple with every new device till kingdom come

[umbral heron]

Yeah...

Not that I dislike purple (far from it), but I'd like to see different colors

Though honestly, I feel like AYN should do both clear blue and purple bc of how popular they both clearly are judging off the poll

[tame saddle]

Even if your not getting. It please go vote blue. Lol

[umbral heron]

Even if purple is super common, I'd feel kind of bad for the people who would want a clear purple Odin 3 not getting it

[short gust]

fine -_-

[umbral heron]

I don't understand why this is a poll when Thor already has a Clear Purple.
Should've just done clear purple from the get go, and done some other color option along the blue

Red vs Blue would've been more interesting imo

[tame saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-gif-18835091

I'll take anything not purple. Lol

The best part about the transparent purple GBC was the white PCB. And they won't be doing that here

[kindred crypt]

thank you for your service kind sir

[kindred crypt]

exactly, we can't get stuck in trans purple forever, we need more colors

[tame saddle]

Kinda shocked PCB colors aren't more of a thing here. Considering how popular they are in other communities

Transparent clear with PCB colors would be fun

[worldly sail]

True, in all honesty them going regular clear and multiple different pcb colors would potentially be outright cheaper than sourcing the different colored clear-plastics.

[umbral heron]

How crazy would it be if they end up tying in the final results x3

Do you think AYN would end up doing both if they tied?

[kindred crypt]

don't jinx us lol

[kindred crypt]

nah Nicole said doing two is too expensive, they'll have to pick

[umbral heron]

Hmm...
Yeah, bit of a pickle there

[kindred crypt]

unless they decide to cancel another color but doubtful

[umbral heron]

Rainbow and White are both popular in their own right, so they can't cancel any of those

Would be silly to

[kindred crypt]

black is as well

[tame saddle]

Black is probably THE most popular in almost all instances. I doubt we'll ever not see a black

[clever halo]

Yes

[tame saddle]

Gray scale always sells well. Translates to basically every product

[clever halo]

Black, Greyscale, Rainbow, and White are all staples, so they can't really remove them

[tame saddle]

So black is almost always an auto safety pick. So youd have to lose one of the whites

Eh. You could remove rainbow. I imagine that'll be the lowest selling. I could be wrong tho

[kindred crypt]

the easiest thing to do here would have been to let Thor get trans purple and give Odin trans blue

but they had to do blue dirty and submit it to a poll instead

[tame saddle]

As a company I'd just want to do that

Like sure. There's like 10 people out there buying every transparent purple console

[umbral heron]

There's probably people who want to match their Odin 3 to their Thor if they had the option to is my guess

[short gust]

https://youtu.be/zBKna4mdThg?si=4x0lb5Ll9hsJGyb_ another great showcase why Elite not = turnip (and why G3 Gen3 for that case way better)

[tame saddle]

Was one of my favs

[short gust]

performance very good, compability sucks

[tame saddle]

I do hate white sticks tho. They just inevitably stain

Wish there was a way to avoid it

[umbral heron]

I'm kind of wondering if the refurbished Odin 2 Max would be worth getting if I decide I'd like to save money.
I likely will be in a position to save money with my brother looking for work too alongside my current job I already have, but Idk what my financial situation will look like for me next year

[tame saddle]

Guess you just replace them occasionally

[short gust]

[tame saddle]

It was an awesome system. And compatibility was basically off the charts. Screen was middling tho

[clever halo]

Ironically, only the white model has white sticks. Every other model has black or grey

[tame saddle]

Again probably a safety move

[umbral heron]

Yeah, my biggest concern would be getting unlucky and getting a unit with the ghost touch problem

[tame saddle]

Yellowing sticks is brought up anytime white is mentioned. Even if it can take a long time to happen

[tame saddle]

Yeah. I lucked out on the 2 I owned and never had that issue

[clever halo]

Same

Mines didn't have the ghost touch issue

[autumn obsidian]

I didn't have ghost inputs with my og odin 2 either

But the portal took over for me, that thing just slaps

[umbral heron]

Might lowkey wait and see if AYN decides to maybe sell some refurbished Odin 2 Portals later down the road

Would be nice if they did, but won't be for a good while

And it's a beloved device, so finding it secondhand isn't easy atm

It'll be a lot easier Ig if AYN makes an Odin 3 Portal (which I legit don't see a reason for them not to)

[clever halo]

Ignore me xD

Read wrong

[kindred crypt]

purple lead widening again

man purps are relentless

[umbral heron]

Can't blame people too much for loving the purple.
It's overused in my eyes, but I think the render of the purple O3 looks lovely in its own right

Praying blue wins still 🙏

[kindred crypt]

it's the lightning on the render, I bet clear blue ends up looking better than purple in real life but they chose less than favourable lightning for the renders

[umbral heron]

I do genuinely hope at the least if the purple ends up winning, that AYN sees how close the vote was and they consider using the clear blue for a future model release.
Whether that be on like the O3Mini or the Portal even

[tame saddle]

It's funny cause they never really look like renders

Purple Thor looks awesome but I imagine the real thing will be just ok

[umbral heron]

We still haven't gotten the real life images of the other Thor colors, right?

[kindred crypt]

I mean just look at this

[tame saddle]

I haven't checked in a bit. Even the "love" ones I'm skeptical about

[tame saddle]

Yeah. The real thing is almost always 100% less transparent and lighter

Which is fine, but it makes choosing off a render solely silly sometimes

Even the flip 2 was kinda eh in hand

Render makes it look like something out of Tron

[kindred crypt]

to be fair that photo is really not how it looks in most real life lightning conditions

this is much more accurate to how it looks with the naked eye to me

which isn't like the Tron-like render but it's not bad, I dig it