(AYANEO) KONKR Fit & Pocket Fit

[woven steppe]

8s gen4

[elder trench]

Noice

What's the find x8 running

[woven steppe]

if 8s gen 4 and 8 gen 3 use active cooling, 8 gen 3 will melt it

[woven steppe]

9400

[elder trench]

Surprising 🤔 is Mediatek still behind in most things due to lack of driver support tho

[woven steppe]

in emulation yes

switch/x86

in native no

[elder trench]

A shame

[woven steppe]

latest dimencity beat a19 pro

🙂

[elder trench]

The performance is super good and you can get em cheap

Ish

[woven steppe]

all tests i send in upcoming chat, scroll up

Oppo Find X9 Pro 9500

[elder trench]

Redmi K Pad has it, and a p nice screen

[woven steppe]

yes

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1g5nczsE6Y/

Metal Gear Solid on Elite, 60fps 720p

[median mica]

Yeah. For me it literally just came down to comfort. Lol I don't want grips if I can avoid them. Plus the thumbsticks are ace

[woven steppe]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1MEnczQEtT/

[final coral]

Spam

[woeful echo]

Those are Hype Stix from Etsy, fantastic.

[woven steppe]

elite drivers sometimes surprise ...

[woeful echo]

The stock caps are small and I don't have much that will fit on them, they're the same size as many of Aya's 2024 / 2025 android handhelds

[crimson quarry]

@woeful echo hows the screen compared to the pocket s2 or pocket ace

[median mica]

Will second these. Really nice

[woeful echo]

I just know some of my favorite Android games wouldn't work, even after trying device spoofing. So that decided it.

[median mica]

Yeah. I don't android game much. That was the other decider

[elder trench]

Hrm

[median mica]

Gonna primarily be streaming/winlator/gamehub with some old emulation for funsies

[woeful echo]

Looks like the same as S2, Ace is different but I guess similar quality.

[elder trench]

Do you think caps that are compatible with the Steam Deck/Rog Ally would work?

Skull and Co have nice grippy ones

I would use their switch dock too for the Konkr but it doesn't have an Ethernet port unfortunately

[woven steppe]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1shnAzHEAR/ Just Cause 4 on Elite

https://youtu.be/OhivEetPGM8 8g2

https://youtu.be/W5i_4IwO-40 gen3

https://youtu.be/280KkaRiEcQ 8s gen4 (weaker than G3/Gen3)

[wheat osprey]

I like iqoo, i have a z9 turbo i picked up last month 😄

i haent tried any emulation with that yet tho its the 8s gen3 chip i think

[woven steppe]

i bit weaker than 8gen2

[woven steppe]

i hate them

[wheat osprey]

yeah i checked 😄 for £120 im happy tho lol

[woven steppe]

worst firmware for gamers

[wheat osprey]

im not really using it for gaming, i have handhelds for that xD

[woven steppe]

they have good hardware side always, but limited by dumb firmware (only in benchmarks they show full power)

https://youtu.be/FcQtc-bKavo a bit heavy for gen2 ;D (game out some days ago)

[wheat osprey]

might be a bit much 😄

[woven steppe]

Yh, a little

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/_LCwW4YvDr0

[woven steppe]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1kSnFzrE23/ 2025, Elite

[grizzled phoenix]

A Korean review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEZsYBL6m0E
Subtitles are kinda ok 😄

[elder trench]

@woven steppe got a video of dbz kakarot on 8 gen 3?

just bought the season pass 2 wondering if itll be playable on g3 gen 3

[woven steppe]

dont have video, but i know it working

[elder trench]

https://youtu.be/-HsC5v0NT54?si=1MCzqCcj9YAKaC4m found one, gamehub 4.1 snapdragon 8s gen 4

[woven steppe]

its not heavy game

[elder trench]

few visual bugs but gamehub is at 5.1/5.2 now iirc and g3 gen 3 is more powerful

it ran at around 40fps at 720p medium here

I'll probably try 900p medium on the pocket

[woven steppe]

it should run even on native

game not demanding

[elder trench]

prob but locked 60 on a game like that is preferable

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/ktm2aEJlYLg gen3

[elder trench]

https://youtu.be/bnLfOCYj-DE?si=TrD2TNCF7b4rw6Yl

did anyone post this video here before

it was out 11 days ago apparently

[woven steppe]

i do pretty sure

[elder trench]

ah ic

ngl stubbs or someone should go back and pin all the review vids and stuff since they got lost in the mass of winlator vids lol

[woven steppe]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1GxnTz3E5V/ 8gen2 just (Metal Gear Solid 2025)

cpu load 100%, gpu 96% - 100%
god optimization lvl, even for arm devices he definitely now something

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-thank-you-nod-gif-25941939

[ruby trellis]

With the Mangmi Air X delayed again, the Pocket Fit is looking more and more appealing. 😬

[cosmic kettle]

Already used my mangmi money on this myself 😅🫠

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/XClIG8W17lk 8sg3 (weaker/= gen2)

https://youtu.be/XMqjhwb93_I 8gen3

[silver herald]

Someone tried Sonic Racing Crossworld demo on Gamehub/Steam?

[woven steppe]

never see

[steep mountain]

Mine went to the 476H

[elder trench]

I mean, what would you do with the Mangmi besides streaming and some 4-5th gen maybe

Is it even worth getting compared to a 556 or something

[ruby trellis]

Portmaster

It's close to the ideal inexpensive Portmaster device.

For emulation, I agree that it has a weird positionning.

[elder trench]

I thought PortMaster was kinda dead tbh

Haven't heard anything about it or anything about new interesting ports with it

[final coral]

They get new ports all the time

Morrowind was released on it recently

1183 games currently

[ruby trellis]

"interesting" is very subjective, as for new… you are very much mistaken 😄

[sterile burrow]

do they have crusader no regret yet? dying to play that game in my handheld

[final coral]

No not yet. Although you just reminded me that I download both crusader games from gog to try on winlator

[sterile burrow]

let me know how it goes

that game was part of my childhood

[final coral]

Excellent games!

It was also on ps1 if you want to emulate it

Dunno how good that version is though

[opal tendon]

Go S is the reason I talked myself out of a G3xgen3 or 8elite device and will keep a 8gen2 device (Thor) as my android device for yet another year at least. I just don’t think Winlator is worth the hassle if you have an x86 device that balances ergonomics, weight, and decent battery life like the Go S. These next gen android devices are more for the novelty of playing a windows game on Android.

[elder trench]

I mean, no matter where I try search up, or on the PortMaster website going through their catalogue, I don't see many new big ports or anything that's like, very noteworthy ig, I'm sure there's a lot of great niche games that got ports though

It's Linux only too so

[timber dawn]

I turned my Odin 2 OG into a port master handheld with Rocknix after I got an O2 portal. It’s pretty convenient tbh.

Also has Xbox and wiiu, which is fun

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/ZzsI2G0w2iY 8sg3

[wheat osprey]

huh same ram and chip as my z9 turbo 😄

[woven steppe]

Silent Hill F 2025, 8g3 smooth

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/BUDX-8ovRl0

https://youtu.be/VwCHsKJvdTc

[shy pecan]

hows xbox emu these days

[timber dawn]

Halo is playable. It’s fair. Not terrible, not perfect

[shy pecan]

but did you try doax

[elder trench]

Ngl Ananta is something I'm looking forward to on this

Forgot about that game and just saw the new trailer footage

[shy pecan]

does ananta use dual screen?

[outer scroll]

I think I'm 70% on the way to preordering this

if another video from a major YouTuber comes out this week I'll be toast

[ivory gorge]

I'm close to ordering this and the Pocket Air Mini when it goes up. But should I just get a Steam Deck (bro)? New reduced price for the LCD base model.

It's the only "console" not raising prices in 2025.

[outer scroll]

I mean it's a no brainer if you don't own one yet

I would only buy these if I already owned the deck and wanted something else on top

[shy pecan]

What’s your reason for choosing this over the Thor

[outer scroll]

who said anything about over

[woeful echo]

100% get a Steam Deck if you don't have one 😄

Excellent price, you don't need a collection of handhelds. We have the sickness. There's still time for you!

[woven steppe]

u should get rog ally if want x86

at least it still can run latest games, and now they looks even good bc of fsr4

[burnt totem]

Depends on what they play. Ally hasn't been on sale for awhile.

So maybe if they want used

[ivory gorge]

My budget is too low for a PC handheld. But $320 for a deck is tempting. I paid $199 for a G Cloud a while back and it serves me well for streaming, but I'd be happy to have more power for emulation and my neglected Steam library.

I'm considering the KONKR more as a "toss in a bag" handheld, over the Deck which would probably just sit on my nightstand.

[wary grotto]

Scratching my head. Aside from the screen, what would you guys pick if torn between the Konkr Pocket fit elite or the Odin 3 elite considering the price point. Curious where everyone’s head is at 😎

[woven steppe]

Pocket Fit

[shy pecan]

Eh, the screen is a big deal….

[manic geyser]

O2Portal

[wary grotto]

I was watching a glimpse of a few videos and it looks reaaaaally good for an LCD. Almost thought it was OLED if i didn’t know better. Maybe more noticeable in the dark

[shy pecan]

I like to play in the dark in bed

[wary grotto]

Yeah I love my portal. Don’t really need anything right now. Fishing around for an Xmas gift for myself and I think the elite will be good down the road once support is there

[shy pecan]

Do you have anything smaller than the portal right now?

[wary grotto]

Rg476h. Sold the RP5 cuz of the ergos

[shy pecan]

I can’t see you going down to a smaller size. So Odin 3 portal would be your best bet

Ah

[wary grotto]

If the rp5 had the stick on top it would be perfect for mid size

I’m a 3 handheld kind of guy lol

[shy pecan]

Small medium large? Or 4:3ish, 16:9, and large

[wary grotto]

Exactly

[shy pecan]

Right now it’s my dmg, rp5/flip2, ally

Or really, it’s just the dmg

[wary grotto]

That a good combo

[manic geyser]

i have retroid classic, portal and a30 atm, theres a brick too but i dont use it

[shy pecan]

862 is too weak to play the games I’m feeling right now. So I’m playing ps3/switch on the dmg lol

[wary grotto]

I just feel like one device doesn’t do it all

[woeful echo]

If fucks!

[shy pecan]

Does it get you…. Rising?

[woeful echo]

I mean

HDR on, super res at 5, Gaming power profile

Native+ rendering forced enabled

[white mortar]

that's running through Gamehub?

[woeful echo]

Yeah latest version

[crimson quarry]

Where's the super meat boy gameplay

[tiny lion]

Would you upgrade to Elite, or is the G3 Gen3 already a solid deal? I can’t make up my mind.

[plush obsidian]

G3 Gen3 is a very solid deal if your main goal is good console emulation

Especially if you can only cash out for a 8 or 12gb RAM SKU there is lil sense in getting the Elite

If you go 16 and plan to winlator a lot, it starts being worth a consideration, but you will take quite the compatibility hit with consoles above PS2

[ruby trellis]

Yeah I want 360 fps Dead Cells.

[crimson quarry]

not enough frames!

[ruby trellis]

The LCD deck's price is tempting, but the unit itself… I'd recommend upgrading to the OLED tiers, not just for the screen but for the better battery and especially the WiFi 6E. Really depends on what you're playing though.

[elder trench]

I wouldn't think so

https://youtube.com/shorts/QSmu-0x_ED4
Ananta won't have Gacha either which is surprising

[static cipher]

Would 8gb be enough to emulate heavy games like totk?

[ruby trellis]

Not well.

Honestly if you want to play Switch games… get a Switch.

If you want to emulate Switch games, get a powerful x86 device with 16GB of RAM.

That will give you pleasant results.

High-end Switch emulation is still so-so.

[elder trench]

Not really? You can play a huge amount of games on an 8 gen 3 without active cooling at 1x docked, G3 Gen 3 in the Pocket will just make that far more stable

This is definitely the Switch emulation handheld

[ruby trellis]

What kind of fps do you get on TotK with an 8g3 ?

Anything under a stable 30 fps, I wouldn't consider "good". I know the Switch itself has some (okay, many) slowdowns in TotK but it doesn't crash and plays every Switch game under the sun perfectly (obvious, I know). For the price — you can get a modded Switch Lite for about 150€ here — I think it makes sense.

[plush obsidian]

To be safe and have headroom for the heavy Switch games 12gb still makes the most sense

Arguably RAM requirements for Switch will come down with time, as the Eden team already was running Totk with mere 6gb... so the question rather is do you want to spend the price of one game to be extra safe or gamble on the emu devs to optimize

[mossy karma]

do we have info if the fit supports MicroSD Express? wanted to shop a new sd card and was wondering

[crimson quarry]

all we know about the ports

[mossy karma]

so the usual microSDXC UHS-I should be fine.

[tiny lion]

I preordered the G3 Gen3 12GB + 256GB model on day one, but sometimes I’m tempted to upgrade to the Elite because of the evolution of GameHub and GameNative. I don’t really like tinkering much, so I don’t think I’d be using Winlator that often, tbh.

[shy pecan]

Konkr has hdr?

[outer scroll]

https://thememorycore.kit.com/posts/konkr-pocket-fit-review

[crimson quarry]

Dragon cheese looks so nice

https://tenor.com/view/licking-failarmy-taste-it-yummy-delicious-gif-10486140191804653605

[rapid panther]

It looks nice on photos, but looks really distracting on the video reviews.. imo.

[woeful echo]

I pre-ordered the 8 Elite, but now after using this id probably go for G3G3, performance doesn't lack and I already have an 8 Elite device. Lots of things to still explore on g3g3.

But if I didn't have one then I'd do 8 Elite

Both will come with some compatibility woes vs 8 Gen 2.

[ruby trellis]

Would you keep one and sell the other ?

I don't think a lot of normies would keep two extremely similar $300+ devices.

[woeful echo]

Yeah I wouldn't have 2 Pocket Fits as a consumer.

[woven steppe]

no

[ruby trellis]

I have both a Switch and a Switch Lite, and I'm really thinking of giving the Lite to my nephews.

[woven steppe]

for now, but eden try to make it possible since out ...

[woeful echo]

I'd have one 8 Elite device though for sure, if nothing else the decode times for local streaming is 0 ms lol.

[ruby trellis]

That's a pretty good argument.

[woeful echo]

Also I think I might switch my order to dragon cheese if they'll let me 😆

I went for 12 / 256 black

[woven steppe]

it should also get raytracing (real)

[ruby trellis]

I don't do local streaming (my place is small and I don't see the point of drawing a massive wattage on a PC in order to play on a tiny screen), but I understand the principle.

[woven steppe]

and best possible graphics on arm

[woeful echo]

That's also a pretty good argument 😆

[ruby trellis]

The Yellow-Black is really the best looking of the bunch : the white one looks like a hospital room and the black one has these weird reddish accents on the face buttons, giving it a very asymetrical look.

I'm half expecting TechDweeb to repaint his orange-and-black, just because.

[outer scroll]

they'll make a dragon orange just for him

[woeful echo]

I found another fun QC issue with my pre prod unit last night my son helped me discover. One of the caps has became a little loose so it will just fly off mid game as my thumb moves around. It's the cap itself not the stick, swapping the left and right caps shows that. I'm putting 3rd party caps on anyways but still something I'm bringing up in the livestream.

[ruby trellis]

@woeful echo Have you guys ever done a poll to establish the average profile of the community ? Age, sex, profession, location, etc. ?

[woeful echo]

Which is tomorrow at 6pm pacific

[woeful echo]

No, it's none of our business really.

[ruby trellis]

That's what pre-prod review units are for. 👍

[tiny lion]

Not cool

[woeful echo]

Yeah it's a funny thing

I haven't had an aya cap do that before

[crimson quarry]

Stubbs hows the size of the device compared to something like a switch lite

[woeful echo]

But I'm guessing they'll include a few spare caps in retail like they did for the Ace, etc

Maybe bigger size

[crimson quarry]

might get a new tomtoc sling for it

[woeful echo]

I believe I compared the size in my first look of those two, but if not on tomorrow's livestream. It's a similar feel and size in hands.

A little bigger.

[ruby trellis]

Oh I didn't mean a named database, just something voluntary and anonymous. I keep thinking that the market caters mostly to 30-60 yo males, but I may be entirely wrong.

You YouTubers are all old and wizened, with glasses and beards. You're basically Gandalf with electronics.

[woeful echo]

We've had members post their own polls like this in #🕹│rh-general before

We can look at our YouTube stats to get a similar set of data, it tracks all that stuff

It's 80% male 20% female

But each year the female % rises, it used to be like 95 / 5 when we started

[ruby trellis]

That would be nice of them, but they might want to differentiate their main series and the Konkr devices through optional purchases, ie. free extra caps with the luxury handhelds and nothing extra with the budget line.

[woeful echo]

Also age range is larger than you'd expect, it's more like 18 - 60 yr olds

[ruby trellis]

Interesting !

Well

Makes sense, in a way : what we think of "retro" is different from one person to another. I don't see the PS2 as retro but a lot of people do.

[woeful echo]

Younger might not use them for emulation as much

[ruby trellis]

(For me, it caps at PS1. The rest is all "modern computing".)

[woeful echo]

PS3 is retro now, don't tell anyone 😭

[ruby trellis]

Yeah, I don't know what to think about that.

A lot of PS3 games basically look like what you get today.

I've replayed Infamous games recently and they look amazing.

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/dol-huh-eyes-disgusted-gif-11690827820922534530

[woeful echo]

Yeah up-res a PS3 game to 4K and it's hard to tell for my eyes

[ruby trellis]

Of course they don't hold a candle to 2025 releases but the graphical jump from PS2 to PS3 is HUGE compared to PS3 → PS5.

I'd say "retro" could also be a way to characterize a development model : pre-PS2 game dev teams were shockingly small compared to latter, massive lists of people that take up longer to scroll through than a Pixar movie credit's.

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/t6oSWBCP32s\ 8g3

https://youtu.be/kfo-9HW0F50

[ruby trellis]

I remember 8-bit and 16-bit game devs being interviewed ; they'd have made entire games all by themselves (graphics, sound, game logic, optimization), much like some indie games are still being made today.

It used to be art… nowadays it's more of a market, I guess.

[rapid panther]

My Assassins Creed Revelations Credits are still scrolling. I finished the game 2 days ago.

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/wYY5h2Mfjz0

[ruby trellis]

Don't emulate it on an RK3326 ?

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/FhhDAxqElX4

[rapid panther]

I was referring to the endless credits.

[ruby trellis]

I know. 🤣

[rapid panther]

I was streaming it from my PC. I should gave emulated it, at least I could do fast forward then..

[ruby trellis]

@woven steppe You should really request your own channel, maybe calling it Endless stream of fps videos.
I'm not saying this isn't useful at all to get an idea what the hardware is capable of, but you're seriously bordering on spam.

Also please stop cross-posting your videos in several channels.

[median mica]

Dude. Forreal. I'm trying to follow a fun conversation and am just bombarded with links no one asked for

[rapid panther]

What's up with Ayaneo and those weird button placements for start/select?

Can those be remapped? I guess not..?

[median mica]

Probably but with android it's always somewhat of an adventure

Gotta figure out what the underlying code is and then different apps can do a remap with different methods depending on whether you have root access or not

[rapid panther]

It's one of the last pieces I'm struggling with before giving it a chance tbh

[median mica]

Sometimes the emulator makes it easy tho. RetroArch isn't all that bad for remapping

[rapid panther]

I don't really do emulation tbh

It's like 90% local gamestreaming.. so I'd need to remap it on an OS level

[median mica]

Yeah. If you want like an all the time remapping there's a couple options app wise to get that

[outer scroll]

it's been brought up by reviewers enough times already that I have to believe Ayaneo will back an option in software to remap them eventually

[rapid panther]

It's been brought up by customers and reviewers for several generations now

[median mica]

Yeah. I get most annoyed when a Manu will require double tapping for certain nav things

I'd prefer hold. So usually I'll remap stuff for that

[ruby trellis]

Correct Start/Select placement.

[rapid panther]

How has Ayaneo's track record been with IGG shipping in the past?

Somehow I have in my head that at least the Pocket Evo was a half-disaster (like quick first batch and then months of waiting..?). Didn't really follow the other campaigns

[median mica]

I'm hoping for this they'll be speedy. I would expect some delay tho

[rapid panther]

I remember the bulk of AYN Odin 2 Portals shipping long before the Evo mass-shipped. Even thugh the Portal was delayed well over a month and had CNY in the middle of mass shipping

I'm thinking "end of october" will likely be just 1st batch and I should assume mass shipping probably december with orders from today probably shipping close or past CNY in Feb/March?

[median mica]

I feel like with ayaneo they basically go back and forth. They'll sell one product, ship horribly late, correct for the next, ship decently, then go back to horribly late 😆

[rapid panther]

I already backed the Odin 3 at 0 hours, but I kinda want to give Ayaneo a shot with their Konkr G3 line. From a product standpoint they're imo kinda producing the right thing here and for some reason I feel compelled to honor that with a purchase/pledge. I'm just having trouble justifying it if there's a good and realistic chance that I'll get the Odin 3 well before it

My gut says: they don't want to mess up their subbrand launch and taint it on their first campaign.

But then: there's history^^

[median mica]

Yeah. I'm still torn. Still have orders for both. Both were late

[rapid panther]

The Odin 3 will be the better/more premium device imo, no doubt

[median mica]

I guess if anything I'd maybe keep the konkr just because MSRP will be higher even if not what stated

[rapid panther]

But the Ergo of the Konkr is intriguing

[median mica]

The difference between o3 preorder and o3 MSRP is kinda insignificant so I don't mind waiting

[rapid panther]

As a budget+travel device

[median mica]

Yeah. Ergos are king for me. I have had several stick and trigger handhelds in the past that I just never use

[rapid panther]

Yeah, I'm on a SuperFan with the Odin 3. That's actually pretty significant for me, so there's no backing out.

[median mica]

My issue is id be going for an 8 elite either way as I have enough that does the g3gen3 stuff and have no 8 elite yet

[rapid panther]

I mean, Odin 3 with Grips will be 100% good. But it's not something I want to carry around or take on a trip because of value and weight.

[median mica]

If 8 elite really kills it on battery life and latency for streaming, I def want one at the end of this

[median mica]

Yeah. I'm not a grip fan if I can help it. Usually means I just take it less places

[rapid panther]

Hence me kinda longing for a Retroid Pocket 5 replacement as the Pocket 5's ergo is just "acceptable" for streaming and 60Hz is getting old when you're used to 120

[median mica]

Yeah. Agreed. Hopefully the rp6 does a little better in that regard

[rapid panther]

I don't mind it on my Portal, I actually love it. But it's a stay-home device, next to the couch

[median mica]

They got a figure out a better place for those sticks

[rapid panther]

Sticks on the Mini were perfect

[median mica]

I kinda went nutty in the secondary market anyway tho. I have an Evo and a 3 coming so in the end they'll all duke it out for feels

[rapid panther]

They just needed about 5-10mm more inset on the RP5 and they wiuld have been golden

[median mica]

Yessss. I don't know why insetting isn't more common. It helps so much

[rapid panther]

Retroid and AYN get it right imo. Natural and common. Not sure what all the others are thinking though.. even on the Switch they're at the right place so it can't be an Eastern/Western thing..

[median mica]

They got the RP5 so right and the classic so wrong for start/select, hehe

[median mica]

Yeah. Right thumb for start, left for select, the way god meant it to be

[crimson quarry]

I believe the aya software lets you remap all the buttons I forgot which video was showing it

not sure how well it works

[crimson quarry]

yea that bothers me lol

[rapid panther]

lol

[median mica]

It's so fucking bad. Lol

The classic in general had such good potential and then such weird hand feels

Retroid still learning how to vert I guess

But my miyoo mini feels more comfortable in hand 😆

[crimson quarry]

waiting for someone to sell a classic on the market so I can snatch it

I want one just for my gba and snes games

[crimson quarry]

where's the one that looks like a smiley face

[ruby trellis]

Powkiddy rgb20s

[crimson quarry]

lord

[ruby trellis]

To be fair it's not Powkiddy worst button placement.

rgb10s

[woeful echo]

Interesting takeaway: https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/1i89vnm/snapdragon_8_elite_vs_gen_3_vs_gen_2_the_real/

Not G3 Gen 3, but still interestering how the 8 Elite drains so much more under load

[crimson quarry]

powkiddy loves buttons as much as aya

[woeful echo]

Loved some of those older powkiddy candybars

[ruby trellis]

Yes, it looks pretty damning. But those are benchmarks ; I'd really like to see some real-world numbers.

[woeful echo]

100%

[crimson quarry]

powkiddy rgb20sx the only device I ever liked from pow

[ruby trellis]

Gorgeous screen for the price, very good shape, but the x55 has some of the worst buttons and sticks you can get on a handheld, and it's impressively unreliable, with weird bootup problems, crappy sleep mode, weird screen hardware, etc.

I had an x55, it was by far the worst exercise in frustration I've had in a handheld device.

[median mica]

Yeah. I never once assumed the 8 elite would be more efficient

Battery wise

[ruby trellis]

Also Powkiddy's borderline RAM amount bait-and-switch is frankly bad for business. You don't sell a device on specs and then discreetly change them on some builds with zero indication, hoping that noone will realize.

[median mica]

We've still yet to see a real efficiency breakthrough in arm

I mean I guess they got it to a point people were comfortable with and stopped pushing

Think we have to rely on a battery breakthrough at this point

[ruby trellis]

@woeful echo One of the commenters shared a link that seems to counter argue the OP's findings : https://www.socpk.com/

Not sure what it's worth.

[woeful echo]

Ah that's a solid point, and lines up more with my experience of the 8 Elite in my S25 Ultra

[woeful echo]

X55 loud as ****

&*(#

Those shoulders, I wake up in a cold sweat sometimes as the PTSD visits my dreams

[plush garden]

Im not an expert but it was mainly compatibility thats the benefit of the g3g3

[ruby trellis]

Right now, yes.

AFAIK the g3g3 is much more similar to the 8g2 than the Elite.

[woeful echo]

Yeah I am thinking I might swap my pre-order from 8E to G3G3, i'm not running into compatibility issues so far

[ruby trellis]

(in design, I mean)

[woeful echo]

But I need to test out Switch more

[crimson quarry]

stubbs test zelda and xenoblade tomorrow! or something that feels a bit more demanding

[plush garden]

Yea i think switch emu will be the main reason to get the g3g3

[crimson quarry]

hello kitty island adventure

[ruby trellis]

@woeful echo It'd be nice if some of you Internet Celebrities™ would integrate some old computer emulation as well in your reviews. There are a ton of old games that can be mapped onto modern controllers but the emulation quality of which is not always predictable. I'm think old Amiga/DOS/Mac/early Windows games.

(I understand that most retro handheld buyers tend to be / have been console players.)

-# but we ole time computer nerds also exist, dagnabbit

[woeful echo]

Yeah I play with those sometimes, but not often in my review coverage. All of that will run at 100% across almost all of these handhelds now.

To be most efficient I tend to show the systems that might be different across the devices i'm comparing

[crimson quarry]

have you been doing any streaming on it? I prefer doing that over using gamehub

[woeful echo]

That's today's journey

[crimson quarry]

sweet

[woeful echo]

Back to yogurt, personally I love to play with old computer emulation, especially Mac 68000 days.

[ruby trellis]

My man !

[woeful echo]

Scarab of RA, Bolo, Glider, all amazing

DOS, now we're talking Commander Keen and Jazz Jackrabbit

Good times

I use RetroX frontend on Android for any old PC stuff

Makes it easy, and Launchbox on windows

[ruby trellis]

I remember playing Civilization for the first time, on a Mac SE. People don't realize how amazingly ugly it was in 1-bit color depth.

[woeful echo]

SE30 was my baby

[ruby trellis]

You rich bourgeois !

[woeful echo]

I spent days and years on Hypercard making dumb games

[woeful echo]

I got it out of the dumpster at my middle school

I was a library aide and couldn't believe they were just tossing them

[ruby trellis]

Great Scott… HyperCard completely blew my mind back then.

Wtf

Wait

When was that ?

[woeful echo]

Plus those ones I could take apart and the librarian would yell at me, she didn't love when I took apart the new machines in the middle of class 😂

Well I popped out in 85

so this would have been 95 - 97? Something like that

[ruby trellis]

Hmmmmm OK so 97 or so ?

Right

OK I understand better. 😄

[woeful echo]

I might be off in my years, I also was messing with them in 4th and 5th grade

[ruby trellis]

The SE/30 was a very powerful machine when it came out, and was prohibitively expensive over here (hence my raising an eyebrow about them being tossed) but 7 years on… yeah, small black and white all-in-ones were not exactly in vogue anymore. 😄

[woeful echo]

Was always the neurotic tech guy throughout my school years 😄

[ruby trellis]

Oh you managed to outgrow it ? 😉

[woeful echo]

No hahahaha

but signing up for library volunteer jobs meant I got to mess with all the computers

In HS it switched to computer lab

[ruby trellis]

I'm not a lot older than you (born in 80) but seeing as tech was moving at an alarming pace back then, 5 years different may have given you a completely different experience from mine.

[woeful echo]

Started on an Apple 2 with number munchers

[shy pecan]

are you guys members of the Hellfish?

[woeful echo]

What's that 😮

[rapid panther]

Even 3 years are big in the 80s/90s.

I remember some childhood friends that were 2 years older/younger - vastly different experience

[ruby trellis]

My first computer was a TI-99, loaned from a friend. Then my dad bought an Amstrad CPC in 1987… awful computer but I enjoyed it a hell of lot. Learned BASIC and Z80 assembly on it.

[woeful echo]

At home my first console was Atari 400 PC with a tape drive, had to program our own games out of a magazine 😆

Type in all the code all day, play the next day

[shy pecan]

https://i.redd.it/nx6rz46czrze1.gif

[woeful echo]

Eventually my family took mercy on us and we got an NES

[rapid panther]

Tape drives.. those were the days

[woeful echo]

the keyboard was membrane based and was 100% pain

[ruby trellis]

Then my dad brought a Mac SE home from work and I pretty much never touched the CPC again. The only thing that frustrated my was the absence of a proper tech manual and a programming environment… a Pascal compiler used to cost 1/10 of a median salary. 😐

[rapid panther]

We're freaking old, fellahs..

[woeful echo]

praise be

[ruby trellis]

Oh all the DATA lines… I remember when they introduced checksums in the magazines, felt like a sign from heaven. 🤣

[ruby trellis]

You're old. I'm temporally enthusiastic.

[rapid panther]

Now 30-40 years later gaming has gone to sh*t.

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-grandpa-simpson-fist-shake-fist-mad-gif-16723406855720551116

[rapid panther]

And yet we're still here, miraculously

[shy pecan]

thanks to the plastics we eat

[rapid panther]

Keeps us young.

[ruby trellis]

You really mean that ? I think gaming is awesome today. We have real stories, amazing graphics, actual composed music with real instruments, voice acting, motion capture…

[rapid panther]

I truly believe so, yeah. Not in the mainstream blockbuster sense of it. But back in the old days it was true art. People crafted amazing, engaging mechanics out of nothing.

[ruby trellis]

True, but that's still the case, isn't it ?

Lots of indies have interesting mechanics.

[rapid panther]

They rarely suceed

Yeah, but they're a niche platform

In the past good mechanics and engaging gameplay = success

[shy pecan]

nostalgia is a pair of rose tinted glasses

[rapid panther]

Today it's all about pushing "engaging" microtransactions.

Engagement at all cost

[ruby trellis]

Yes but that's mostly because the market is extremely overcrowded. In the 90s only a tenth, maybe only a hundredth of today's catalogue would come out. Now you have so many new games each week that nobody can even review them all.

(Handhelds are going in that direction…)

I don't agree with "it used to be better" ; I'd say a more accurate assessment is "it used to be very different".

[shy pecan]

and if you wanna talk about immersive experiences, how about VR?

[rapid panther]

I can agree on that

[rapid panther]

Strong start, hard stagnation

[ruby trellis]

I'd go for rose tinted VR glasses.

[shy pecan]

not with praydog's UEVR mod

[rapid panther]

But I'm a simracing hardcore VR user

So I'm heavily biased pro VR for a very niche use case. Can't do that hobby on non-vr anymore

[shy pecan]

UEVR is the only thing keepnig vr alive for me

waiting for my pimax dream air

[rapid panther]

Handhelds are what brought me back into mainstream gaming and single player experiences

The freedom of playing whenever, wherever is amazing

I had a backlog of 15+ years of AAA titles, slowly grinding through them now

[ruby trellis]

Yeah, that's a wording I don't understand either.

[rapid panther]

But ince you get family, kids, work and stuff sitting at the PC all day just isn't gonna cut it for me anymore

[rapid panther]

Not a native English speaker, so my wording may be off, sorry

[ruby trellis]

"grinding through"… leisure ? You grind through a chore, yes, but if gaming starts to feel like grinding, you really should look for another hobby. 😄

[rapid panther]

Yeah, that's my language barrier, sorry

What I meant was: it's a long, slow process.

[ruby trellis]

No worries, I'm not a native speaker either. 🍻
And I said that because a lot of people use those exact words, native speakers included.

[shy pecan]

this is when you use trainers lol

[ruby trellis]

Understood. 👍

[rapid panther]

When I say "grind" I think of a meat or wood grinder. Slowly chipping away.

[rapid panther]

That's how microtransaction games like FIFA feel like. I was addicted tobthat sh.t once, but luckily one day I managed to quit.. those were painful times looking back. 0 joy, all chore and addiction.

Maybe also contributes to my "gaming has gone to sh.." mindset.

[ruby trellis]

That I can agree with : necessary microtransactions probably shouldn't be in games, at least not competitive ones.

[rapid panther]

Mechanics that are purpose built to build up addiction, not fun or enjoyment. Praying on the weak and on kids.

But enough, I'm derailing this nice conversation with bad vibes. Sorry.

And yes, there are true marvels of Indie games today

[median mica]

Cosmetics are best micro transactions.

Micro transactions without game mechanics that drive you to micro transactions is second best.

Games that make grind unbearable to eventually convince you to micro transactions are the worst

[ruby trellis]

Stop playing FIFA and start buying handhelds. Become a macrotransaction addict.

[rapid panther]

And most of them actually emulate well on Android 😉

[rapid panther]

Already there, lol

[median mica]

At least I can sell these micro transactions for small loss 😆

[ruby trellis]

— I want that.
— How much is it, darling ?
— Only $113 on Ali with stacked coupons. Totally worth it.
— Are you going to play with it ?
— …
— Well, honey ? Are you ?
— …yes.
— After the first week ?
— YOU BOUGHT NEW SHOES LAST MONTH, GO AWAY

[outer scroll]

yes, but as always, it's important to realize that heavy load for the 8 Elite is a lot more than heavy load for the Gen 3 or Gen 2

what this means is that you'll probably be able to get around the same wattage or less for the amount of load that is heavy for the Gen 3 or Gen 2

in fact, there was a good quote about this on the memory core today

Windows emulation really pushes the G3 Gen 3, with 12-14W power draws in Silksong at FHD 120fps, hitting internal temps up to 85°C. In contrast, the 8 Elite is far more efficient, drawing just 5-7W for even higher framerates on the Redmagic 10 Pro.

source: https://thememorycore.kit.com/posts/konkr-pocket-fit-review

you can see that while you can push the 8 Elite harder, in practical real world terms it often comes ahead in terms of battery usage, because it has to work less to do the same things as the Gen 3 or the Gen 2

so it's misleading to say that the 8 Elite drains more

@normal osprey can probably back this up as well, in real life tests I think he has also seen the 8 Elite being more battery efficient, not less

[crimson quarry]

Just wait for elite model to come out and bam ez test

[woven steppe]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1uvnpznEkw/ elite

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/me-myself-irene-charlie-ohboy-gif-7369802

[woeful echo]

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-jeff-goldblum-gif-14058551

[rapid panther]

Really depends if you get to keep the review unit imho. Fully assuming you'll get an Odin 3 anyways (either through media means or privately) - do you really want/need 2 Elite devices or do you want to have a G3 as a data point for work (assuming you can't keep the review unit).

I personally can't see me having/keeping 2x 6" Elite devices, so if I'm gonna back the Konkr it's gonna be the G3

[median mica]

I only want 1 hence my dilemma. In the end ergos might even win out over OLED

[woeful echo]

I ordered the Odin 3 yes, and yeah I'll likely just stay with the g3g3 to have in the roster. Hard to tell with aya on review units for keep, I was supposed to send the Ace pre prod back to swap for the retail to review, but they simply forgot and moved on to the S2 Pro, so idk. I try not to assume anything. It's all chaos and reps leave in the middle of a review cycle and the next rep has no context so it all just resets sometimes.

But usually we hold onto the devices.

Either way I'm ordering my own in the end.

There are differences between pre prod and retail and I want to compare them.

[rapid panther]

Tbh, I don't get AYNs drive to minimize the footprint of their bigger devices...

I get it on the O2 Mini and I'd even understand it on the Odin 3, if they weren't goving it fullsize sticks and big ergo bumps on the rear to begin with -- but at that point, does 10mm of additional ergo on the bottom like on the Konkr really matter?

I mean it's just speculation at this point, maybe the O3 truly doesn't need it, but then - why sell grips if you're not 100% confident..

[median mica]

Yeah. The main line def should have sacrificed some compactness for ergos. Maybe it's still comfy like the o2 tho

[ruby trellis]

You can order the Odin 3 with its grip.

Dunno if it's good, but you can.

[vast sage]

Are the face buttons going to be swappable without disassembling the whole thing?

I'm really tempted to preorder this but that xbox layout is a bit icky for me

[rapid panther]

No

[vast sage]

Figured as much, thanks for the answer still!

Guess I'll have to void that guarantee lol

[ruby trellis]

I don't look at the buttons when playing. 🤷‍♂️

[median mica]

Yeah. I'm not a big grip fan. My mad comfort/portability matrix is usually in-between the two 😆. Grip usually makes it just big enough that I don't want to take it places.

[ruby trellis]

That's fair.

[median mica]

Yeah it's a weird let peeve

[ruby trellis]

The most comfortable handheld I've used is — by far — the rg556.

No need for a grip, it just fits.

[median mica]

Yeah. It's so nice when a device is like that

Has me looking at the Xbox ally harder then I probably should

[ruby trellis]

I think the Xbox Ally looks very ugly.

Not commenting on the ergos, just the appearance.

I don't know if I would buy a $550 handheld, let alone a $900 one… 🤔

[plush garden]

I sold my ally after I realized I spent more time updating the damn thing instead of playing games

Hopefully the new one isnt as bad in that regard

[outer scroll]

https://youtu.be/6mYWq170Fps?si=QopVHmvLJ22Czhy8

https://youtu.be/4r4nzsnsOPY?si=8RNPfM30XZqSPDdS

here, learn some Spanish

[grizzled phoenix]

I'll wait for Russ review 😄
His expecting his unit this week, so hopefully we'll have at least a first hands-on by the end of the month and the end of the SEB.

[outer scroll]

interestingly this reviewer found the screen on the rg476h better than the one in the Konkr

@woeful echo do you agree?

[woeful echo]

I mean they are different, but LTPS beats other LCD's in my opinion, colors are more vivid

However the Konkr screen is freaking criiiisp, and I've been playing it next to the Evo to compare, I have no complaints, colors are vibrant and motion is smooth

[woeful echo]

Updated my chart for decode times in Artemis, now it has the G3G3 and T820. The KONKR g3g3 is looking great at 2.5ms!

These were all tested by me and with the same conditions, minus going with 120fps when possible (decreases latency) and enabling the super low latency mode that will work on 8 gen 2, gen 3 and elite

T820 surprisingly solid too

The Pocket Evo performed worse than expected

But still can't complain at 5ms

[median mica]

Oh. It's ugly. But it could feel amazing. I at least can't fault them for not making it a glass coated thin phone-like device

[shy pecan]

if its gonna be big and bulky, might as well make it comfy

[median mica]

Companies acting like we're gonna show these off on first dates

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/panty-dropper-gif-4986607

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/edgeworth-ayo-wtf-skullfiremoyai-gif-26062811

[woeful echo]

Pocket Air (D1200) has 18ms

[shy pecan]

shhh.... im trying to sell mine

[woeful echo]

It has 0ms decode time!

[crimson quarry]

id sell mines if it didn't have 2 cracks 😭 fucking ayaneo

[woeful echo]

BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW

[shy pecan]

for sale: pocket air $420 (+$69 shipping)

[woeful echo]

(Also i'm looking for one so dm me if you want)

I retract my previous sentence

[crimson quarry]

lol

[woeful echo]

@ruby jewel @pseudo shard

[shy pecan]

its too bad it got stuck with a bum soc. i really liked it

i like to use it to make the 865 feel powerful

actually its intruging to go back to once in a while, to see how much more efficient emulators become

[crimson quarry]

yea with eden I can play some games on the d1200 no issue

but seeing the cracks near the screw holes just pushes me away from it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-insane-gif-21454125

[woeful echo]

OLED screen still looks nice on it, but yeah feeling its age these days, i'm borrowing one for the Pocket Air Mini video

[shy pecan]

i forget to check for this

[crimson quarry]

yea

Thankfully I am not a oled whore and I am fine with lcd

[shy pecan]

im a whore

[crimson quarry]

yes you are

[pseudo shard]

Huh?

[shy pecan]

for sale: pocket air with no cracks $690 (+42 shipping)

[woeful echo]

More Pocket Airs in the wild

https://tenor.com/view/dozens-of-us-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-arrested-development-arrested-development-dozens-gif-18162954729757007693

[shy pecan]

omg theres a 1tb in it lmao

[woeful echo]

wtf 😄

Who put 1tb in there, that's wild, not hating just wow haha

[shy pecan]

i will transfer it to the thor or odin

[woeful echo]

Ah the sd card?

[pseudo shard]

Is this your way of telling me I’m not getting mine back?

[sudden rune]

Do the cigarette smoke stick caps transfer to the mini?

[woeful echo]

MIKE MAILED ME ONE WITH BLACK CAPS smh

[sudden rune]

https://tenor.com/view/howrude-fullhouse-gif-21855082

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-run-cry-gif-18513135

[shy pecan]

WTFFFF RPCSX VF5 running at 60fps!!!

time to cancel my odin 3

[pseudo shard]

I’m gonna find them now just to send you a picture.

[woeful echo]

You make me complete 🫂

Life goal is to have an entire pocket air in that color

[outer scroll]

you know you could always just start smoking

[woeful echo]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-and-efficient-freecodecamp-effective-capable-gif-24251825

[outer scroll]

well I don't know about fast

you may have to smoke profusely for a few years to get the desired effect

[woeful echo]

When I explain to my doctor, I feel like he won't understand

[rapid panther]

Try the new experimental.9 build of Artemis on their GitHub (not for chart data, but for curiosity) - decoding times are even lower than that.

Asides from that it fixes decoding times on many Mediatek devices (my Sony TV for example went from a choppy ~20ms mess to fluid ~3ms).

Also new vsync options that make "balanced" feel like ultra low latency, so better framepacing too on top (needs to be enabled via checkbox in settings).

Good times ahead once that gets merged into the stable release.

[woeful echo]

Oh dang! Nice I'll try that out, thanks 🍻

[white mortar]

Ah, I have to become a YouTube reviewer to get these handhelds more quickly ... 😩

[wheat osprey]

it' like some weird black magic how comfy the 556 is

[white mortar]

For me it's the Arc or CubeXX, haven't had the luxury of holding the 556 :p

[vast sage]

I have a software related question.. does ayaneo have an option for automatically changing performance profiles based on the app?

Like per-app overrides, that kind of stuff

[ruby trellis]

Yeah but I think it involves some effort on your part : AFAIK as a reviewer you're supposed to actually try and play some games, you can't just buy the handheld, install a CFW and put it in a drawer, like normal folk.

[white mortar]

I wasn't being serious... First I think I'd need some recording equipment and editing skills... 😅

[ruby trellis]

-# yeah cuz I was, like, being totally 100% earnest

[white mortar]

To me it did read like that, yeah

[ruby trellis]

Discord chat vagaries… I have to remember to use more emojis. 🤔

[white mortar]

All good 👍

But I really wish shipping would start sooner than later

[crimson quarry]

best way to get a unit in the first batch is to order the highest end models

[ruby trellis]

?

Why ?

[crimson quarry]

that's just how they do things

they always ship the highest tier units first

they also posted it on the igg page

[ruby trellis]

Hmm

OK

[ruby trellis]

Thanks for the info. 👍

[shy pecan]

I was using both my dmg and pocket air yesterday. One thing I will miss out on with the Odin 3 is ayaneo’s software. I don’t know what to expect from ayn

[ruby trellis]

Is it really that amazing ?

(I've never used an Ayaneo device.)

[shy pecan]

Personally I use em all the time

[mellow cedar]

it's more precise fan control + cpu/gpu clocks

being able to control fan curve is really nice

the "quiet" fan level can be lower or higher depending on your sensitivity to sound

[crimson quarry]

konkr pocket fit full screen protector being made and a carrying case

KONKR Pocket Fit dual screen version(pocket DS style) , arthur expressed interested to make such a device, but if it's in planning stage, it will most likely be dual LCD screen. no plan for OLED for KONKR Dual screen device.

[ruby trellis]

full screen protector ? So getting the rectangular one is… pointless ?

That's dramatically bad marketing.

[rapid panther]

Maybe they'll replace the rectangular kne with a fullscreen one. At least that's what AYN usually does (upgrading the perks if something better is being developed)

[median mica]

When does shipping start? Need to make sure I cancel in time 😆

[crimson quarry]

end of october

higher end configs will have a higher chance of shipping before the low ends do

[median mica]

K. I now have an Evo, Ayaneo 3 and F1 Pro all showing up in the next week 😆. Decisions will need to be made

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-gamestop-nintendo2ds-handheld-console-bowser-junior-gif-27285168

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/soo-jymfHf4

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/0Zdvj1wr2sc

@grizzled mason botw 35:30

[woeful echo]

Our Konkr stream starts a little after 6pm pacific tonight

[crimson quarry]

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/conker-the-squirrel-conker's-bad-fur-day-conker-64-gif-12747724757544695777

[wary grotto]

So 8pm central for the stream today 😎

[woeful echo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHo85yEMcFE

Livestream!

[outer scroll]

all these livestreams are at 3am for me

I can never be there live when they happen

sucks to be european

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/european-tea-sip-anime-gif-25563098

[median mica]

Damn had to reinstall gamehub multiple times is the kinda shit I don't wanna do. Lol

[grizzled mason]

Damn, it’s only like 9pm for me right now (which is honestly the perfect time for me to watch something like this, even if it’s after the stream is over).

Oh, it’s still going, neat.

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/8fAZtyv3t2o
https://youtu.be/1dVPT1-YBp0

[woeful echo]

Oh wow! Far Cry 4? I need to try that 👀

[woven steppe]

yup

many AAA heavy titles now working

[elder trench]

Ngl I'd love a new X55 step up from Powkiddy though

Surprised they never made an rk3588 handheld

[wheat osprey]

That chip is a cooling nightmare 😄

[silver herald]

the best thing what world of youtube can give to us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHo85yEMcFE , after this, i`m now 100% sure now buy this, and wait for Odin 3 Elite maybe 😄

[elder trench]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0CFF3SX1N/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A4TPOHXM9GYH7&psc=1
Anyone know if these caps should fit?

(Skull & Co)

[tiny lion]

I think it’s better to buy RP5 or Odin 2 sticks on AE, tbh — even the ones already sold by Ayaneo themselves

[elder trench]

Ae?

Oh Ali

Eh, I do really want to use these bigger convex ones

Cqc elite are really comfortable looking and are according to reviews

[wary grotto]

After the review what are you guys thinking. Need some help deciding between the konkr pocket fit or the Odin 3 😳. I know some of you are thinking the same so let’s hear it lol

[crimson quarry]

if you want the best for emulation g3 if you want more gamehub or win then 8 elite thats how I see it

I personally don't really care for pc emulation so I went with a g3 model

[tiny lion]

If you want consistent Switch emulation, go for the G3. But if you’re more into PC and don’t care as much about Switch, then the Elite fits your needs better.

[ruby trellis]

Not wrong, but that's all assuming that you want to buy and enjoy it today. It really seems the Elite doesn't falter for all Switch games.
It's all down to driver developers' engagement.

I kind of agree with the others : if your plan is to play BotW or other similarly heavy Switch games before the end of the year, get the G3, but the Elite really should be quite a bit more future-proof.

If you don't really care for Switch exclusives (and some games apparently work better with Winlator than with Switch emus), the Elite seems overwhelmingly better is every way. 🤷‍♂️

(Honestly if you care mostly for Switch exclusives… get a Switch ?)

[crimson quarry]

^

modded switch is the best switch gaming

[ruby trellis]

Another thing to consider for non-exclusive games is that the Steam version is often considerably cheaper than the Switch version.

[crimson quarry]

You could have edgy weeb wallpapers like me

[elder trench]

#1399437549864222941 message
What this guy but also you'll have to wait 1-2 months longer and obviously pay more for the Elite devices

[wheat osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[elder trench]

@woeful echo have you tested the Fit with docks and/or Switch at 1.25x internal docked mode?

Might possibly be able to get a Switch 2 like docked experience depending on the game

Hopefully those video out bugs wouldn't continue with dedicated docks

[ruby trellis]

Yes ?

[wheat osprey]

mostly teasing but yeah, switch exclusives are indeed still better on a regular switch 😄

[elder trench]

Does anyone know of any way to play 360 games on Android rn? Or is Xenia on Android nonexistent for the foreseeable future?

[outer scroll]

well

as ridiculous as that sounds, you can run Xenia via Winlator

but you'll need an 8 Elite to even begin getting to playable territory, if at all

see: https://youtu.be/3sfGVIWtkzI?si=sCIKIQl_xCbBYrok

I don't think I've seen anyone do Xenia via Winlator on the 8 Elite yet so that should be interesting once people get to that

[ruby trellis]

I want VGS on Mac OS 9 on Android.

[woeful echo]

It even survived the drop test! 😂

[woeful echo]

All my switch footage was in dock mode, but I haven't used it in a USB C dock.

[elder trench]

Hrmmm, I'm pretty curious about the latter, the Ayn Dock seems like a good option

[woeful echo]

I want to get one

I do have some other docks lying around for my x86 handhelds

[elder trench]

That or just a good quality Usb C hub, looking at a Sabrent one currently, both have an M.2 slot which is sweet too

Oops, meant to reply to my message

[woeful echo]

Yeah for sure

[elder trench]

Have you got the Retroid Dock?

[woeful echo]

I've gone back and forth, but I think I might actually pull the trigger on the Purple model for science

Spendy but man, this is one I want in the collection long term

[elder trench]

That's a bit more barebones than Ayns offering(no m.2, no ethernet) but it's more compact

[woeful echo]

See the limits of this GameHub stuff

Throwing 24gb at it

[elder trench]

I think I'll keep my GameHub usage to 7th gen titles or 2D games tbh

So my ram usage shoulddd be okay with 12gb

[woeful echo]

Yeah that makes good sense

Completely, I haven't run into memory issues so far with 12gb

[elder trench]

I might try Xenoverse 2 if you're familiar, and DBZ Kakarot, big DB fan so having some DB on the go would be sweet

[woeful echo]

I usually always go for the mid tier configs

[elder trench]

Btw what resolution were you running Metal Gear Rising at?

[woeful echo]

It was default res, that should be 720p

[ruby trellis]

@elder trench VGS is a very old PS1 emulator.

[elder trench]

Was it locked to 60?

[ruby trellis]

"Virtual Game Station"

[woven steppe]

no u dont, all depend what game

[woeful echo]

No, and remember I accidentally had on Streamer power profile

[elder trench]

Lmao

[woven steppe]

many what works on elite, works on gen3 +- with similar performance

winlator+xenia

[elder trench]

I wonder how well it would run on gamer* mode at 900p

[woeful echo]

The first few winlator games would have had better performance had I used the Gamer or Max profiles smh

[elder trench]

Is it actually called Gamer mode

[woeful echo]

It is haha

[elder trench]

I didn't even register that lmao I just thought you said game mode each time 😂

[woeful echo]

That little button above the face buttons

I think it's Gaming Mode not Gamer but still

[elder trench]

Gamer mode would be funny if it is

[woeful echo]

It says the name on screen when I switched

[elder trench]

Btw, if you do get a dock with Ethernet, would you consider trying out other cloud gaming options? Boosteroid is pretty promising and you can play Helldivers 2 and other games that aren't on any other services, since it has instal to play from Stream or the Xbox store

Been pondering using that myself

Or Xcloud

Although I've got more than 100hrs in HD2 by now lol

[woven steppe]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mfnYzCEDL/ Borderlands 3 on Elite (4 still wont work)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1sTnVzmEHR/ Resident Evil Village on Elite

[mossy karma]

do i remember correctly, that all backers will get medium caps for the sticks? wasnt this mentioned in one of their reveals?

[crimson quarry]

@woeful echo was performance any different from the pocket s2 and heat?

[woeful echo]

S2 got hotter (guessing since its thinner -- edit: also because partial metal body), performance seemed pretty much the same, although on Max profile I think the Konkr might win since it can stay a little cooler. We saw in the wild life stress test the Konkr held at 88% for its thermal stability.

But overall they should be about the same for performance, S2 Pro is a beast

[crimson quarry]

Yea i want to order a retro powered model i love the design just wondering about the heat but I wouldn't do anything higher than switch so It shouldn't get too hot

[vast sage]

Ended up caving in and getting an indiegogo preorder after watching Stubbs' stream

[woeful echo]

Its a pretty minor difference IIRC

[vast sage]

Seems like insane value with the super early bird prices

[woeful echo]

Yeah they did good with this one

[woven steppe]

konkr less heat and almost hold highest possible freqs in stress tests or heavy emulation

in any benchmark also u can see difference with points

[shy pecan]

wonder how much more they wouldve sold if it had oled

[plush garden]

S2 is also part metal so itll get hotter naturally

[shy pecan]

s2 should be able to utilize external cooling accessories?

[woven steppe]

no connection

in handhelds case plays almost no role in heat dissipation

[plush garden]

oh right were talking performance here

i meant itll just feel hotter naturally

[woven steppe]

oh

[plush garden]

my bad haha

[woven steppe]

its fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbCB8K7R2EE

[plush garden]

yea i just saw that lol

metroid prime remastered has issues on elite sadly

wonder if anyone has tested metroid dread

[woven steppe]

He should buy external cooler for Elite

IT insta overheat and drop freqs

[plush garden]

do those even work?

[woven steppe]

ofc

for example on Elite tablet, u can hold 35W consumption with 35W black shark cooler

with 95% stability

[plush garden]

i dunno why its so hard to put a fan intake on these devices

[woven steppe]

soon they will

[plush garden]

esp if its a tablet, plenty of room. i dont need a fucking camera

[woven steppe]

Elite 2 already can eat 19W

stock limit

@spice prairie u should buy this for Elite, it will show better results on testing (not expensive)

[plush garden]

how do you attach that and play with a telescopic controller

[woven steppe]

magnetic, but pad should support that (or get not telescopic pad with empty middle)

[plush garden]

so those redmagic fans dont do anything im guessing

[woven steppe]

u mean fan/s what inside them?

[plush garden]

yea the astra has a fan for example

[woven steppe]

yup, it trash ... impact from it super low

[plush garden]

but i think it just cycles air inside or something

[woven steppe]

only one device on the market with real cooling

and its newcomer Oppo K13 Turbo / Pro

with 8s gen 4 and 8400

also realme already tease gaming monster with the same type of cooling but on 8 Elite (in GT7 Pro case)

10000Mah battery

@plush garden
https://youtu.be/zutIQIOoWUU?si=d_P5yYxzdlJikz3I

peltier inside yes) like external coolers use

[split silo]

Maybe the world's first, Ayaneo should steal that

[woven steppe]

they sayed maybe, they dont know for sure if Oppo use TEC also (they dont)

[woeful echo]

Ah also good point!

[white mortar]

https://youtu.be/oxwzggiOTKk?si=rcof59o64WstV9_u

haven't seen this one before...

"brother."

[crimson quarry]

the color

https://tenor.com/view/todo-clap-orgasm-daddy-yes-boogie-woogie-gif-21117228

[white mortar]

lol... it is a mighty fine screen

[crimson quarry]

I mean the dragon cheese

my brother

lol this video is all brother

[white mortar]

and also reflective as it seems, but so is OLED

[white mortar]

ah, yes, I, too chose this color 😛

[crimson quarry]

I usually go with black or something not flashy but I dig the cheese

[white mortar]

I like that it's something different, and the black will still blend in quite nicely for any content that's smaller than 16:9 aspect ratio

[white mortar]

haha, at the end he even sings 'subscribe, my brother' 😅

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/gels-gelsfi-brother-fitment-fitment-industries-gif-15124142

[woven steppe]

https://youtu.be/l8xUdm-iG0k a bit heavy 2025 game for x86 emulation state (dx11 supported) 8 Gen 3

[plush obsidian]

Winlator is truly getting wild

[woven steppe]

less stability in most heavy games like this one, but fps average higher

vs gamehub

[plush obsidian]

well, I was generally referring to PC game emulation on Android as "Winlator"

[woven steppe]

latest Qualcomm Gpu driver extracted from 8 Elite Gen 5 device, need A16 and Elite chipset (ROOT)

[raven ridge]

Well just ordered the Elite model after going back and forth for 2 weeks

Hope I don’t regret it , might ask them to ship a Air Mini together ( if they can/want ) to save shipping costs

[median mica]

don't do it, gonna make me order one again

lol, just checked and i have the 16/512 elite ordered, time to cancel it again first

[raven ridge]

Well I wanted to get a Elite Y700 tablet for a while but it’s still not available globally so this kind of takes care of that at a cheaper price.

[median mica]

yeah, it's such a solid price, i just keep coming back

[mossy karma]

?

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-ramsey-you-too-huh-oh-you-too-huh-gif-13608048

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[median mica]

shit, sprinkle in some odin 3

lol

[crimson quarry]

almost got one too but I just don't see myself using it for what I want to play so ill wait for a new odin model next year

tempted to get a thor tho

[woven steppe]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1smnVznECv/ 8 Elite God of War: Ragnarök 1920х1080, 22W, (8 Elite Gen5 driver v842.6 - huge impact in performance and compatibility)

[median mica]

Thor honestly makes the most sense of all 3

[woven steppe]

boss fight

[ruby trellis]

@woven steppe STOP SPAMMING YOUR FUCKING FPS VIDEOS

[woven steppe]

shut the fuck up

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-drinks-tea-sip-gif-14649362

[median mica]

Man could at least wait for someone to ask for one

Keep thinking there's interesting discussion going on and it's just spam

[woven steppe]

it doesnt work like that, most of peoples thinks emulation can only old lite games

also i send exact when discussion end 🙂

[median mica]

Who do you think you were talking to?

[ruby trellis]

I'm very tempted to get the Pocket Fit after the last reviews… it seems to be really comfortable.

[median mica]

Yeah. I might keep my perk alive this time

Comfort is king

[woven steppe]

with noone

[ruby trellis]

I don't remember who mentioned it, but I think it's a shame no company made an x86 handheld with a low-power cheap. Something like an Intel N200 or something, basically an indie backlog cleaner.

[median mica]

Seems like it

[median mica]

Probably me. I bring it up any chance I get

[woven steppe]

this why i wait when discussion end so

[ruby trellis]

Oh sorry, yeah.

🙂

I've been playing on my RG556 and the screen is still too small (ish). Wondering whether the Portal would suit me more.

Basically I want handhelds made out of LEGO bricks, so that I can make frankenhandheld.

I'm torn between the Odin 3 + grip and the Pocket Fit. 😬

[median mica]

yeah, i just never like grips

just one more thing to carry with you, new cases to buy to fit it, and then that nagging feeling like you should try it without it on every once in a while

personally from a professional design perspective, making something and then making a grip for it so that it's comfortable just irks me as well

[ruby trellis]

Oh I totally agree (hence my constantly bringing up the RG556 😋 )

The RP5 is very uncomfortable as is, which is just super weird. I don't know if anyone enjoys playing it without a grip.

That's what worries me about the Odin 3.

All reviews I've seen seem to indicate that the Pocket Fit is much better shaped. It's really hard to judge from just pictures, though.

Even the Switch Lite I've somehow stopped playing, because I cramp up relatively quickly with it (and those sticks… holy hell they're bad)

[median mica]

yeah, i actually just popped open an ayaneo evo, and this thing is comfy as hell

[ruby trellis]

Wait which one is it

OK

I believe that 😄

It's basically tech porn

[median mica]

yeah, it's sick

honestly i just wish it had a little more grippiness, fit might have that

[outer scroll]

https://youtu.be/6VN1xx_6fC0?si=TtwyhilsPT0fqc8y

[ruby trellis]

Looks like it at least.

[ruby trellis]

Fixing or modding ?

[median mica]

nah, just took out of box, haha, i was interested so i found a 12/256 for $350

i liked odin 2 portal, but never found it comfy, so another 7" oled was tempting

[ruby trellis]

Seems to be a good price.

So you intend to get the Fit and sell the Evo ?

[median mica]

probably, i'll hold both and then decide, but i do like the konkr's smaller formfactor, i also have an ayaneo 3 on the way which is basically an ayaneo evo but x86, so having 2 of almost the exact same formfactors seems insane

[ruby trellis]

I don't anyone here is gonna judge you. 🤣

[median mica]

haha, valid, but i basically just picked up 3 devices with the plans to sell 2 at least, so i'll do a side by side and see how they compare

[crimson quarry]

end of the year is always the worst lol so many great handhelds get released

[ruby trellis]

I wonder what the average spending budget is for handheld enthusiasts. 🤔

[marsh parcel]

...budget?

[ruby trellis]

Yeah, how much people spend on average on handhelds.

Don't you have a hard limit ?

[rapid panther]

3 devices/year

Nah, just kidding

But it's usually 3 different form factors that are interesting per year

Last year was RP5, Mini and Portal

This year we have competing 6" that are affordable-ish

[ruby trellis]

You bought the RP5, the Mini and the Portal ?!

[rapid panther]

Yup.. 🫥

Sold the Mini V2 again though (still kinda regret it)

[median mica]

i buy a ridiculous amount, but i also sell a fair amount

[ruby trellis]

Isn't it a bit redundant ? Real question, I'm not judging.

[rapid panther]

Yeah, it was

Hence me selling the Mini

[ruby trellis]

So you keep a fairly semi-ridiculous amount ? 😉

[rapid panther]

But I should've kept the Mini and waited for the Odin 3

[ruby trellis]

"waited"

what a dirty word 🤣

[rapid panther]

I wanted to have something small for real old stuff like GB(C), SNES etc to force those onto my kids

[median mica]

it's all redundant, but it takes a bit to find something that's comfy, luckily i have the fun budget to rotate things through, i prefer it over relying on reviewers to tell me what's best, they're not bad, but a lot is subjective

[rapid panther]

Turned out my kids didn't care..

But I have a feeling it will be quite some time until we see a device like the Mini as the trend goes in the direction of bigger, bigger, too big

[ruby trellis]

The fact that these toys are not being sold in stores is a real problem. I like to try and hold my toys, so I totally get buying several just to try them out… 😬

[rapid panther]

It's a risk though where I live... not many people into that kind of stuff

[ruby trellis]

Where are you ?

[rapid panther]

If you don't sell it whilst it's still hot it becomes dead weight

Austria (EU)

[ruby trellis]

I'm in France. It's pretty much the same here.

-# Also you having to specify that Austria is in Europe is both really sad and hilarious.

[rapid panther]

At least you have 70 (?) million potential buyers

[rapid panther]

It's notbthe clear for some folks on the other side of the sea lol

[ruby trellis]

Can't you sell to Germans ?

[rapid panther]

Sure. But shipping cost and competition becomes a problem

[ruby trellis]

I was in Linz for work a few years ago and I was talking about it on Discord. An American started asking me where that was because he couldn't find on a map.

He was looking in Australia.

[rapid panther]

Yup

[ruby trellis]

One of my biggest Discord facepalms.

[rapid panther]

Exactly the reason I state the continent when I'm not sure whom I'm talking to^^

We sell "We don't have kangaroos!" shirts here in Austria..

[ruby trellis]

To be fair, the US is what… 8 timezones wide or something ? and over 300M people.

[rapid panther]

Yet I know on which continent all the US states are located^^

[ruby trellis]

I get that anything beyond its borders must feel like "there be dragons"

[rapid panther]

Nah, but to be fair, it's spelled very similarly.. if you only take a quick glance..

[ruby trellis]

I used to confuse the smaller northwestern ones (New Hampshire, Vermont, etc.)

Same thing about Germany, some of the Coloradians (Coloradeans ? Coloradodians ?) I spoke to were extremely surprised to learn that Germany is a federation…

Looked it up, it's "Coloradans".

[rapid panther]

Tbh, I just learned something from you

[ruby trellis]

?

[rapid panther]

Up until 5 minutes ago I thought this was the norm in Europe

(Austria is a federal state too)

[ruby trellis]

I know. But a lot of EU countries aren't.

[rapid panther]

Didn't think we were basically the only ones in Europe lol

Germany, Austria, Belgium. The end.

[ruby trellis]

I miss Germany. I lived in Baden-Württemberg for a few years.

Oh oh I'll be visiting Vienna in February !

Never been there, it's going to be a treat. 😻

[rapid panther]

Vienna is supposed to be nice for tourists, yeah

All I can see is garbage on the steets lol

[ruby trellis]

My gf is a fan of the Vienna Secession and want to go there since I watched The Third Man as a kid. 😄

[ruby trellis]

I think it's the same in all big cities : if you live there you get to see everyday life, warts and all… but as a tourist you probably don't care about "normal", you want the extraordinary stuff, like the art, the night life, the monuments, etc.

[rapid panther]

Yeah, exactly.

[ruby trellis]

People ask me how I like living in Paris and they don't understand how can answer "it's fine" and mean it.

[rapid panther]

I've been to Paris only once during my school years. I remember it being very nice though

[ruby trellis]

(Although as an art lover, I do realize how lucky I am. 😄 )

What year was that ?

I ask because Paris used to be much dirtier in the 80s.

It's considerably cleaner now.

[rapid panther]

(Apart from the part where we lived.. and every travel guide warning you about going into that district/part of paris lol)

2000s I guess

[ruby trellis]

Yeah we've got some slums too. 🙂

Oh OK the 2000s were already pretty good.

[rapid panther]

But I liked the "charm" of it. Reminded me a lot of Vienna tbh

[ruby trellis]

That's really weird… you're not the first person to tell me that.

[rapid panther]

Lots of coffee shops around every corner, busy streets, yet still walkable etc

[ruby trellis]

The only two cities in which I feel the same vibe as in Paris were Budapest and Barcelona. Not exactly sure why, beside Budapest having a ton of Haussmann buildings.

[rapid panther]

Barcelona felt vastly different to me. Kinda afraid to get robbed or scammed around every corner

[ruby trellis]

Oh yeah, that's absolutely true… But isn't that the case in most European cities ? (Or should I say old cities ?)

[ruby trellis]

Really ? Interesting… I was there in the mid-90s and it felt extremely safe. 🤨

[rapid panther]

I was only there for a weekend though.. visiting all the tourist traps.

[ruby trellis]

Not a bad idea for a first time. 🙂

[rapid panther]

Maybe just bad luck. Idk.

[ruby trellis]

I think so.

Worth another visit, then !

[rapid panther]

We're drifting though.. do we get a Konkr now or not? 🤣

[ruby trellis]

Sorry, sorry. You're right.

Let me get my wallet.

Wait, what about food ?

Nah, we'll eat pasta for a few months, IT WILL BE FINE.

[outer scroll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1nrdel5/now_testing_konkr/

who sold their review unit?

[median mica]

https://tenor.com/view/nervoso-gif-4921255577321466832

[rapid panther]

I've never had to balls to sell review units back in the day when I was doing hardware reviews.

Heck, most of the time I even had to sign NDAs or send stuff back if I didn't intend to keep it.

[ruby trellis]

Yeah I'm not sure I'd feel morally comfortable reselling review units.

Giving them away, sure. But selling ? That's very very gray-area-ish.

That being said, I'm not a reviewer, so maybe I'd react a different way if I was one. Handhelds quickly get really expensive, and I don't know how much sponsorships and/or YouTube viewers you need to offset what you spend on the device you want to review (and don't get sample units of).

[woeful echo]

I backed Purple 💜

Did not expect to top spec an LCD handheld this year, but, when I like something I like it

[crimson quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

[trim bluff]

Guys , i am looking forward getting the Konkr as it will be my first handheld with such power. I wanted to ask if there will be a major difference in performance between the 8gb and 12gb versions. I am asking because the price jump between the 2 versions in my country is a bit high.
Thanks

[silver herald]

Now, when i first time have OLED and non OLED screens, i can say: man what a massive difference..

in photos maybe it is less visible than in a real life, but never tought before that this can be so different 🙂

[woeful echo]

What systems / games will you be playing on it?

[trim bluff]

GC / Wii , PS2 and any Switch i can squeeze haha
Also , i wanted to try a little bit of pc emulation ,nothing too fancy but older games like Dead Space

[woeful echo]

8gb should be ok if you don't push into pc emulation too hard, but i'd go for 12 if its not a huge stretch to have that cushion.

[trim bluff]

I won't push too hard with it tbh Just some older games i wanted to try but the mais focus will be console emulation
Thanks for the reply

[woeful echo]

I think you'd be safe with 8

[white mortar]

Hey, I'm your neighbor from Slovenia, we can trade if the need ever arises 😛

[plush obsidian]

the country with the Kangaroos, right?

[elder trench]

If you want to do CemU, Rpcs3 and Switch Emulators the extra with 12gb might be important tbh

[silver herald]

@woeful echo have you tested Deep Rock Galactic Survivors on Elite as you wrote when you tested it and on Konkr?

[trim bluff]

I bought the 8gb version 2 hours ago 😆 RIP
Jk , for CEMU i will emulate only The WindWaker and MK8 tbh A lot of games were ported to the Switch and i have a feeling these are games that will run well in Eden

[elder trench]

You're probably better off using Citron

[trim bluff]

Thanks , i will try that emulator as well. I had good results with it on my simple 406V.
I'm super excited about it , can't wait to get it in the mail 😆

[sterile burrow]

how much is this ?

[elder trench]

Like

Ten bucks

Maybe 12-15 max idk the currency conversion

It's €8.20

For two of each

They also have these if you want to try match the red of the buttons

ExtremeRates red might match better tho, but are like 60% more price wise

Actually idk if those would work anyway

[ruby trellis]

So, Pocket Fit 16/512 or Steam Deck LCD… questions, questions.

[split silo]

If pc games are a priority then steam deck no question

[outer scroll]

there's no world in which I would prioritize anything over the steam deck if I didn't have one

it's an absolute no brainer

[ruby trellis]

Food ? Peace on Earth ? Cancer cure ?

STEAM DECK ! STEAM DECK !

[outer scroll]

ok fair any other handheld I meant

[plush obsidian]

food maybe, but the other stuff, lol no

[marsh parcel]

What's this or nonsense. Buy both!

[outer scroll]

that's the real answer but I don't know if he's ready for that conversation

[ruby trellis]

I'M READY, I'M READY !

Please converse with me about competing toys !

What really bugs me is that it's not as much a money problem as a time to play problem.

Damn adulthood !

When I was a kid I had plenty of time to play but no money to spend.

Now I've got money but no time.

I'm telling ya : life is a scam.

[grizzled phoenix]

I hear you 😅

[plush obsidian]

well, with the economy going down the drain, we will soon have all the time in the world to game

[outer scroll]

don't let that stop you man

chase your dreams even if you don't have time for them

the average user here has 50 handhelds, you think we have time to play them all?