2025 XU Product Slate

[dire ivy]

the good titles have compatibility, as things usually go. the team focused on those first and began building on the lesser stuff

SFvs.Tekken, Phantasy Star Nova, Gravity Rush, SAO games... stuff like that is fine

[bronze yew]

fair enough

[dire ivy]

i'm not even sure where criminal girls 2 is.

STILL BROKEN

[bronze yew]

well, at the end of the day, I honestly wouldn't mind them to release the Dream One as 4" 960x720, 4.4" 1080x720 and 5" 1280x720 versions, each has their usecase and they could literally cut the mold apart and put in a middle-piece, same with their boards

[dire ivy]

If they showed the two Damascus Gear games running, i'd be sort of onboard. mechwarrior diablo is a good enough incentive

[bronze yew]

if it ain't running on the t618, it won't run here either tbh

[dire ivy]

ah well, back to contemplating the rp4

[dusk imp]

I mention the Dream 1 in my latest video, all about Disruptors: https://youtu.be/HAfyRdLd0tc

[errant mauve]

I dont think ive ever seen anyone else who knew those games lol

[bronze yew]

well, they will probably do a Dream 2 16:9 variant as well, just... next year

[bronze yew]

editing Stephen forgot to cut in to tell the audience that the Dream One goes on pre-sale in late October as well

[dusk imp]

He did. I have re-edited this god knows how many times today.

[bronze yew]

nah you only mention the Magmi Air and MagicX One 35

I mean sure, we ain't have a date date for the Dream 1 yet, but late October is close enough

[solemn pumice]

Hold on, why are we voting for the 505 design

[dire ivy]

Pocketable android+psp+lynx+gba+someVita ideally

I mean the 505 didnt need a mediatek competitor but eh

[solemn pumice]

You can name it the „Dream Portable“ since it won’t be as pocketable as the Dream 1.

Also makes people associate it with the PlayStation Portable / PSP which will be the best System to play on it.

[burnt current]

Heavy disagree, Jigg

"Portable" makes it sound like it should be smaller

[solemn pumice]

It’s not called Dream Pocketable

[burnt current]

I wouldn't have caught the nod to PSP if you hadn't explained it

[solemn pumice]

Maybe Dream Portable only works with this Design

[solemn pumice]

Maybe it should be smaller to separate itself from the competition

[burnt current]

One35 already kinda exists for that tbh

Only current competition in that particular bracket is Mangmi

I mean in terms of 5"-5.5" 16:9 handhelds

I was personally a big fan of "Dream Bigger"

[solemn pumice]

Fair fair

[solemn pumice]

You could use as a marketing slogan.
But I wouldn’t name the device like that

[astral zenith]

Why not use a different SoC for the Dream 1 with the 16:9 screen—such as the G90T, G95, or D6080—add extra RAM (6GB or 8GB), and market it as the Dream 1 Pro for $100 or less?

[tawny swan]

bc they already order G85 and 7050

[astral zenith]

Makes sense

[bronze yew]

not only would they need to make and maintain another software build for it, the G85 devices are already developed, the literally only need to elongate the shell and board to make a 16:9 Dream 1

also I hope the Dream 2 will be our $99 killer device that outperforms the Aya Air Mini

[drowsy bison]

I'm a big fan of XU and MagicX; I really hope the next half year liberates us from the H700/A133P being the budget benchmark

[errant mauve]

I like what they do in size, feel, out the box experience android, quirky designs nobody else would go for

definitely made me into a full fan

[pine current]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-long-hair-mustache-magic-shia-labeouf-gif-17741293

Same. There's some magic in MagicX, and I hope they do well.

[fathom swallow]

Has xu done much of this? I haven't been following for long

I know MagicX has released or at least road mapped some crazy stuff

[burnt current]

I think they got them mixed up

Especially since XU Retro aim to be a much safer brand

Easy mistake though

[fathom swallow]

Ah. Yeah. I mean the xu stuff is def solid and safe

[errant mauve]

oh i thought they were working together, my mistake

was that only for the xu20?

the frontend seems very similar to the dawn one

[solemn pumice]

Yes aurora is a fork of dawn

Wait let me forward something

[errant mauve]

Oh ok neat

i do like the other things about both but i guess the xu20 wasnt really all that quirky looking of a design lol

[sullen tide]

So the XU Retro Dream 1 will be Android only right and no Linux ?
Jigg may be you might know.

[burnt current]

Yeah Android only for now

Basically every chipset past the A527 is Android only

SD 865 is like the one exception to this

[solemn pumice]

Dimensity will never be Linux. Even if some benchmark benny says otherwise.

What Dric says is also correct

Maybe Allwinner will launch some better Linux capable CPU‘s next year

[clever verge]

Don't sleep on us Linux Teams, we are working away at these "Android" only devices. We are not going down without a fight

[solemn pumice]

Sure buddy

[clever verge]

Rocknix team showed up on 865, & 8 Gen 2, what makes you think they are done there?

Also, it's on their Discord, they already got the Mangmi Air X device with Linux

And the G3X Gen 2

[solemn pumice]

I never said they don’t work on Snapdragons

[clever verge]

Dricmeistr mentioned only 865 lol

But yes, only SnapDragons

[sinful mortar]

I mean maybe the abxysolute one at some point but no one fucking bought that thing

its mediatek and being added to mainline

mostly because it shares an SoC with another mtk bsp linux dev board

[burnt current]

Oh right I forgot 8 Gen 2

[woven shell]

infinitely more believable than retroid ayn different company memes

[sullen tide]

While we're on the topic the last Linux device to release was the Helegaly Action Pi right and the next Linux device releasing is the Miyoo Flip Mini right?
Am I missing anything here?
There's the R46H as well but I'm looking for "name" branded ones.

[clever verge]

Yes, Chip wise....its was the a527 as the last "Upgrade" we were looking at on the Linux side

Otherwise, it's just a Sea of the Same 3326, 3566, h700, etc. We have seen so many times b4

Tho, there is a couple new Rk Chios coming rk 3562 on the Rg 52 "Mini", #1389238203831025845

[solemn pumice]

rk3562 you say?

[pine current]

why do these companies all seem to love downward firing speakers so much?

even the good ones are bad. I just hope whatever they make they put the speakers the right way.

[rare junco]

Sean rn

[solemn pumice]

nah that's gamma ;))

[frigid condor]

benchmark bobby?

[solemn pumice]

I renamed it

[frigid condor]

[tawny swan]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleepy-sleepy-head-sleepy-dog-puppy-gif-8724532319784089108

[glad oriole]

Dream 40

Dream 50

[radiant lantern]

These look pretty good, please tell me those aren't the final names though

[flat quiver]

so 40 is 4:3, 50 is 16:9?

[drowsy bison]

-# I don't need another device I don't need another device I don't need another device I don't need another device

[glad oriole]

The final name

[dire ivy]

As long as they can play the games meant for them, these are cool.

[glad oriole]

Yes

[dire ivy]

make sure the stick sensors aren't snappy.

Play test some okami. If you can't pull off spells, back to the drawing board.

[glad oriole]

Dream 40 and 50 will be available for pre-order at the same time, and the shipping time of Dream 50 will be 10-15 days later than that of Dream 40.

[glad oriole]

All Hall Effect bars are drift-free

[radiant lantern]

Are they the same price?

[glad oriole]

Same price$66

The anime-style promotional poster will be released early next month

[tawny swan]

O_o

so its competition to mangmi will be

Dream ''2'' will also get wide version?

[glad oriole]

No information has been released yet for Dream 2

[tawny swan]

🙁

[solemn pumice]

Are these colors available on launch for Dream 40?
Or is not finalized yet?

[glad oriole]

I believe Dream 2 will launch with a 4:3+3:2 ratio, but I’ll have to wait for the company to decide in the next two months.

[tawny swan]

О_О

those power and not wide handheld ... that a crime

[glad oriole]

Currently there are 2 color schemes

[tawny swan]

personally i dont like 3:2 ...

[dire ivy]

A more important note. Give the user governor control

[solemn pumice]

@bronze yew we‘re so back

[glad oriole]

At the PS2 level, I personally think 3:2 is more popular than 16:9

[dire ivy]

people griped about the x28's performance while ignoring that you could just use a soft governor to push it at rp3+ speeds. Same applies here

[tawny swan]

isnt x28 has poor ram memory?

[glad oriole]

This is the older version. The new design has an improved trigger.

[tawny swan]

in total weakest performance vs any t618 device

[dire ivy]

No not really

[solemn pumice]

Got it, thanks luna

[tawny swan]

never heard that 3:2 is popular

4:3 and 16:9 most of will pick

for ps2 device

[dire ivy]

none of this is locked in stone. These are sbc's dressed as handhelds

[solemn pumice]

@bronze yew you see what this guy is doing

[solemn pumice]

@bronze yew personally, I wouldn‘t let this slide

[dire ivy]

whatever doesn't buy handhelds so his pov on ergo is complete bs

[tawny swan]

i do

[solemn pumice]

I just remember gamma being very split about it. Cool handheld but super janky

[tawny swan]

im not store them (collecting different things)

if i dont use something, ill just sell it

[glad oriole]

In the battle of cheap Android devices in October, the most popular one is undoubtedly the One35, which also has a 3:2 screen.

Currently the most popular topic on the Internet is One35

[dire ivy]

3:2 is good for both 4:3 and 16:9

[rare junco]

So are these the final color choices?

[solemn pumice]

Probably not

Im down for bobby to hold another poll

[glad oriole]

For now, yes

[dire ivy]

All you have to do is not be the ktr1

[tawny swan]

its died bc of price

mainly

[dire ivy]

It died because the maker is a liar and a cheat

[rare junco]

Ok, good to hear. If these continue to be the final color choices then I will ditch Mangmi yet again in favor of the Dream 50.

[tawny swan]

they want remake ktr1 with plastic soon

😄

optimized model

[solemn pumice]

Not sure if you can get away with niche colorway when there’s only 2 options

[dire ivy]

How about this. Vent over the cpu, heatsink, full frequency range governor

[radiant lantern]

Baja blast and doritos

[tawny swan]

for g85? 😄

even single fan without anything will be heat kill for that tiny body

[dire ivy]

and run the g85 with 2666mhz ram

[glad oriole]

The color schemes of 16:9 devices on the market are relatively conservative, and we wanted to create a cool color style.

[dire ivy]

you laugh but bottleneck hell exists. Running the cpu and GPU wide open is how you get this over t618

[solemn pumice]

I just realized, this will feel like the rp4 in your hands 😭

I‘ll skip it and pray for the Dream 2 3:2 to have a rounded chin

[tawny swan]

im not laugh, that good idea but not feets for lowest budget handheld

[glad oriole]

So far, there is only one 16:9 device that sells well in the market. In terms of sales, 16:9 cannot compare with 4:3.

[tawny swan]

true

but also there no good option on the market affordable

mangmi first over long time

[dire ivy]

Finish the dream1 and take video of some gameplay

[solemn pumice]

Hmmm, I don’t know

TSP looks more comfortable

[dire ivy]

you guys are up against low ballers like gameMT that can design and have a prototype out to reviewers in a matter of weeks

[glad oriole]

Even if they launch it as expected, I believe the sales will not be good.

[tawny swan]

who knows ... hope not

[dire ivy]

you too huh

[glad oriole]

Blogger video traffic will give you the answer

[dire ivy]

the mangmi is only about as strong as the odroid go ultra

[tawny swan]

they should send units for every media reviewers to make good sales ... idk what they waiting for

[solemn pumice]

They‘re marketing strategy is making this sketch their mascot

[tawny swan]

they already lose hype train but anyway ...

if air x sales bad, we will probably not see pocket max (865)

[dire ivy]

Always rember
Mangmi days

[glad oriole]

A 16:9 device would need to be more powerful than the 865 to be attractive, or a low-cost, 2x resolution PSP 16:9 device

[tawny swan]

nah

865 amazing

[radiant lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

The thing is if they were to use an 865 they'd have to severely undercut the rp5

[tawny swan]

yup

[solemn pumice]

Mangmi Pocket Max is already planning on doing that ._.

[tawny swan]

predict 150$-160$

[glad oriole]

If the above two conditions are not met, 16:9 devices will not become popular.

[tawny swan]

You underestimate the power of 865 too much

if anyone drop 16x9 device with it for 50$ less than RP5, market will fire

insta

[dire ivy]

You say this like its easy. Chill dude

[solemn pumice]

And Retroid is also gonna drop the price themselves when rp6 launches

[tawny swan]

true

but rp6 when ....

[solemn pumice]

They seem to have yearly refreshes

[tawny swan]

0 rumors

[solemn pumice]

So maybe around Christmas

[glad oriole]

The RP5 motherboard has a secret IC, which is bound to their Linux and their low-level drivers. Other second-rate teams have come up with 865 devices of a completely different level.

[dire ivy]

anyways. A got a Jump Crew group to join and engineer for. Bbl

[tawny swan]

could you elaborate on what you mean? (sounds very unrealistic, if i understand u right)

[glad oriole]

The RP team spared no expense in developing the 865. Other companies simply couldn't reach this level. And yet, they still ranked this company as a B-class company.

[placid cosmos]

so it sounds like a shart in a tin can for fun then?

[glad oriole]

不是RP的865用不上Linux，那怕安卓都差很远，他们有密ic无法抄袭

[tawny swan]

and why they dont make dual-boot for linux? developing 865, u mean they order unique version from qualcomm based on the parameters they have developed for themselves

[tawny swan]

ceo coment?

[glad oriole]

It's not as simple as you think. It's not difficult to develop a solution for 865 in China. But no company is willing to do it to achieve the effect of RP5.

[tawny swan]

Linux 5.8 support adreno gpu drivers (405 / 640 / 650)

[solemn pumice]

Yo whatever

Show luna the geekbench leaks for the Mangmi pocket max

[tawny swan]

RP5 1:1

[placid cosmos]

gamma did it in a closet with a box of scraps ( im kidding )

[glad oriole]

We work with these imperfect retro devices every day. The entire industry is based in Shenzhen, China, and we understand the capabilities of each team.

[tawny swan]

yeah its okey, but ur take that linux is unreal to implement for others on snapdragon 865 is wild

[glad oriole]

Don't talk about this topic, I'm afraid of affecting others

[tawny swan]

maybe before ... but not now (they support arm)

[bronze yew]

Skittles on black is a sin

[bronze yew]

We need to Huffy Whatever

[glad oriole]

XU20 has encryption IC, Dawn cannot start on other A133P

[tawny swan]

its good choice to protect ur work

but ... reverse engineering is a cute thing :L (anything possible, depend how many time it takes and how good u do ur job - worth or not)

[glad oriole]

Even reverse decryption will still have many bugs

[zealous jolt]

Would make it a more authentic experience tbh

Jk lol

[tawny swan]

raw code, it takes time to polish it

[glad oriole]

China's retro game console industry has evolved over the past decade, starting with Moonlight Box/Pandora and now studying encryption.

[bronze yew]

Blockchain handhelds are back

[placid cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/reload-shotgun-dale-gribble-rusty-shackleford-king-of-the-hill-gif-1605028683175638604

[tawny swan]

Solana Phone

[glad oriole]

Retro handheld game consoles are 3326 and 3566. The Linux open source system has ruined the development of the entire industry. If R36 had not appeared, there would definitely be a large number of capable teams in China developing retro handheld game consoles.

[tawny swan]

over year waiting this thing ...

[solemn pumice]

You sound like you’ve been in this industry for a longer time.

Have you worked for anbernic before?

[placid cosmos]

people still buy miyoos slop, i dont think you gotta try THAT hard

[tawny swan]

isnt it was near past? sound like its 10 years ago 😄

[bronze yew]

Joking aside, I'm not happy with the color choices here, orange buttons on black are already hard... but skittles

Also please don't do the meme beans color

Clean black as the base is crucial. Something like the new Zero40 color would go hard, no freaking AI beans bullshit

[solemn pumice]

Yeah let bobby make a color poll

I saw that luna 👀

[glad oriole]

The color can also be adjusted. Other colors will be added after release based on sales.

I hope the Dream series will be a win-win for all. Players will be able to buy Dream equipment at a low price, and manufacturers will be able to achieve Dream equipment sales.

[solemn pumice]

[bronze yew]

Are the buttons on the Dream the same as on previous devices?

[solemn pumice]

Hope they’re bigger

[frigid condor]

did you hire an artist?

[frigid condor]

maybe he used to be with ayaneo with future mangmi founders

[woven shell]

Luna, any update on the situation in Shenzhen?

curious as I've not heard much about it from news outlets, etc.

[spark cradle]

city is fine

[fathom swallow]

I hope so. Cause we know the alternative...

[spark cradle]

typhoons generally don't cause insane damage over here because the Pearl River Delta builds cities with typhoons in mind

[frigid condor]

we don’t want to talk about that

[woven shell]

that's good to hear

[frigid condor]

yeah but humans don’t build each other with typhoons in mind

how do you explain that?

[stark stirrup]

Are you safe from bad weather ☁️☁️

[clever verge]

Oh I just realized Bobby is fine too. Last message I sent was for Luna to Take Bobby with him for Good Luck

[frigid condor]

He didn’t take me

I refuse to go on an active typhoon zone

[clever verge]

He was going away from the typhoon, so that would have been fine for you

[fathom swallow]

Probably wise 😆

[frigid condor]

I don’t care I don’t want to be the one giving a middle finger in front of a typhoon, another cat should do that instead

[sinful mortar]

im too lazy to photoshop sat photos of a typhoon but just pretend theres one in the bottom right

[clever verge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sled-leave-im-out-gif-21428250

[storm warren]

Good naming imo

[bronze yew]

I hope they don't drop the One as the SoC indicator, would be nice if they can keep it in line with MagicX, Dream One 40, Dream One 50, Dream Two whatever

[placid cosmos]

?

[burnt current]

He's joking Dawn doesn't work anyway lol

[placid cosmos]

nah i pinged them for the random message request ping

[zealous jolt]

My bad bro I fell asleep on top of my phone and guess that happened overnight

[long sapphire]

pocket mini is coming
it is 4.2 inches 4:3 screen using G90T soc
xu dream1 4.0 inches 4:3 using G85 soc.
G90T is way faster than G85..
how are u going to compete as early birds quite similar to your dream1 pricing?
how?

[radiant lantern]

Including shipping the dream 1 is still around $20 cheaper, after early bird for air mini ends it's going to be around $40 less

And I mean if we're going to make the "just spend a little more and get something more powerful" argument you could say the same about getting a t820 handheld instead of the air mini

[long sapphire]

there is coming pocket mini and also mangmi air x, nov 11 will be singles sales. yes, they will also give sales during that period. mangmi air x sales may be at 80 and will cut xu dream1 price.

[radiant lantern]

Why would the mangmi make them cut dream 1 prices, the g85 is more powerful than the 662

[storm warren]

I dont really care for ten dollars more or less, the less flawed device will probably sell well

Air X is looking extremely well executed from what we've seen so far

[radiant lantern]

I'm only really interested in the mangmi if it gets linux support

[storm warren]

same here tbh

[clever verge]

Rocknix is already on it. Their discord is showing all of their progress, it's crazy how fast they move

[long sapphire]

rocknix already received device from mangmi and also rocknix already try out system to develop linux for air x.

[clever verge]

Rocknix go Zoom

[sullen tide]

Noob Question Sorry, Generally is performance better on Android or Linux?

[clever verge]

Great question, Linux is also way easier to just set up. As for performance...no clue.

I just hate RetroArch without Linux

[drowsy bison]

performance generally Linux is considered more optimized and less bloat in the background, but I've had mixed experiences with both, it always comes down to OS/CFW implementation

I've seen a very poorly optimized Linux install and I've seen a really well optimized Android install

and there's obstacles to setup on both

[dire ivy]

android is linux with a different ui and more system restrictions for the user. generally the level of bloat determines performance

for instance. i cannout simply run an appimage in android, but you can run an apk in linux through an android vm

[noble mirage]

Android tends to have a better sleep mode as well on average

[zealous jolt]

can you not run appimages through termux?

[long sapphire]

linux usually allow portmasters

[long sapphire]

unlike g90t which is way more power g85 is similar performance to s662 but s662 has better drivers.
air X will definitely run better for those support turnip drivers.

[woven shell]

I like how you keep saying "way more power" when the g90t has like 8% better core performance

[tawny swan]

[rare junco]

Air Mini looks ugly aesthetically and has boring color choices. That's enough for me to stay away from it.

[tawny swan]

most popular color

retro

just not for u

[rare junco]

I like the color combinations of the Air X too, though. But at the moment the Dream 1 has better so I'm on Team Dream now.

[noble mirage]

Very subjective at the end of the day.
I’m just happy we’re gonna be getting some great N64/Dreamcast options for under $100

[rare junco]

The Air Mini would have been more attractive if they gave it 4GB ram, though tbh.

[noble mirage]

For what you’ll be playing on it, 3gb is more than good enough imo, but 4gb would’ve certainly been nice

[tawny swan]

4gb for nothing

no point

[rare junco]

G90T is close to G99 level, so it can be somewhat decent for native Android gaming. But with 3GB that's not happening.

[tawny swan]

3gb enough even for genshin comone

[noble mirage]

Not that I would personally want to play most Android games on a 4:3 screen anyways, but that’s still true

[tawny swan]

u can play anything what soc can

[rare junco]

Honestly even 4GB sucks for Android nowadays. Open 2 chrome tabs and whatever's running in the background gets killed.

[tawny swan]

:/

[rare junco]

I mean, it's not gonna be good for native Android gaming, that's for sure.

[solemn pumice]

Why are you asking me though ? Ask Luna

[tawny swan]

wtf u talking about

[noble mirage]

It’s Android 11 as well, right? And that was on 2gb phones even at the time

[rare junco]

Wut

[tawny swan]

u sound like it wont run them good

[rare junco]

I mean as an overall experience, not just whether or not it will run.

[tawny swan]

explain

[tawny swan]

3gb need android 15

[rare junco]

Not enough ram means more demanding games won't run good, and a poor multitasking experience.

And a lot of android apps and games simply aren't designed with low res and/or 4:3 screens in mind, so sometimes the UI might be placed weirdly and not scaled properly. Some will even force black bars.

[tawny swan]

multitasking on cheap handheld?

4:3 res is can be problem in some games yes

[rare junco]

Do you not switch between games? Because I do.

And things like switching to a browser to look up some stuff quick.

QoL stuff, really. That's why I said "as an overall experience" and not just whether or not the games will run.

[tawny swan]

nope

[rare junco]

Then that's on you

[glad oriole]

1: Thank you for the great news.
2: Thank you for not liking Dream 1.
3: If the 662 can fully run Linux, XURetro will give you a $10,000 bonus.

[rare junco]

Oh snarky luna

[tawny swan]

''Not enough ram means more demanding games won't run good'' again, there no games which ask 4gb RAM and G90T can run it

every of them 2-3gb

ask mean NEED otherwise wont start

[rare junco]

Again, I'm not just talking about whether or not it will run.

[tawny swan]

run mean u can play it

[glad oriole]

PSP and 3DS may experience crashes when running on 2GB

[rare junco]

Doesn't mean it's gonna run good.

[tawny swan]

pass

[tawny swan]

if u dont have enough ram, it wont even start

thats a problem

on low settings game can ask 3gb, on high setting 4gb

and over

[rare junco]

It is. But even if it can start doesn't mean it will run good, that's what I'm talking about.

[tawny swan]

yes, but its not ram issues

just chipset not enough

[rare junco]

Ram is a big factor in performance.

[tawny swan]

[glad oriole]

One35 also has a 2GB development board, which experienced multiple crashes when testing PS2 and 3DS games.

[tawny swan]

how tf it possible

maybe they just open many tasks

not just one single emulator

like should

[glad oriole]

If you think it's impossible, then it's impossible.

[tawny swan]

OR they has firmware ram leak 🙂 or firmware too heavy for that device

it will explain why they should pick 3-4gb

[solemn pumice]

Did you just randomly give away 10K?

[tawny swan]

and its not good

[glad oriole]

The 2GB development board including the MTK G510 also crashed when testing PS2 and 3DS.

[tawny swan]

g510 with 2gb is wild combo ...

[tall olive]

That'll only be 5% of the bonus when the dream 1 sells 100k units

[tawny swan]

hold onnnnnn

its a78, so it can be used soon

and better than t820, new sub 100$ option coming?

https://tenor.com/view/excited-ah-ahh-gif-24288323

[frigid condor]

if the g85 can fully run linux i'll pur on your lap

good deal i know

[long sapphire]

i never i dont like. i just made a comparison.
i thought it is 66 dollar for early bird. if it is 66 dollar for retail sold under aliexpress free shipping and coupon discount.
it is really a good catch.
g85 is really a fast processor
that can run psp,dreamcast and n64 near 100 percent.

[glad oriole]

Linux is the starting point for retro handhelds, but it's by no means the ultimate.

Over time, Android's updates, price, and performance will replace Linux.

[long sapphire]

but linux got portmaster.

[tawny swan]

it will never replace on potato devices, like 3566

and below

[frigid condor]

@glad oriole i wonder, did you used to work for another company in this industry?

[tawny swan]

since we still haven't received any new super cheap and at the same time more powerful chip

[frigid condor]

it's like you have a personal connection to it

[woven shell]

At this point I enjoy the magicx/Xu dev cycle so much I'm about to become a spokesperson just out of principle

[tawny swan]

[glad oriole]

If... the G85 costs $66, the D7300 costs $99, the D7350 costs $133, and the D8400 costs $166... ​​At those prices, Linux is worthless from a market perspective.

[tawny swan]

bruh i forgot to add 7300 to sheet ...

[frigid condor]

isn't anbernic selling d8300s for $250?

[glad oriole]

Dream 1 is a pilot price. If the market scale still exists and sales can meet expectations, these dream devices will be realized one by one.

[tawny swan]

how 8400 can cost that low?

i thought it at least 50% more than 7350

[long sapphire]

all the best as G85 is a good processor unlike rk3566, a133p rk3326 which not like g85 can emulate psp,dreamcast and n64. just that 4:3 at 4 inches make psp screen small.

[tawny swan]

chip self price

[frigid condor]

they subsidize the price with ads streaming into your brain as you play

[glad oriole]

Thank you for liking G85

[long sapphire]

but why u cancel xu35 h50. this one got 5 inches screen. which is honestly will beat pocket mini for screen estate.

[tawny swan]

So its 7300 (poco x7)... alr i already need this Dream X device

multi score wild ...

better than 7350

[glad oriole]

In 2026, we will cooperate with MagicX to develop fan cooling + 6000mAh battery + performance mode = Android gaming phone

[frigid condor]

like an actual gaming phone?

[tawny swan]

it will be normal phone like oppo k13, or exact gaming device almost only for one task?

without many features what common phones does (it can heavy decrease self cost production)

[solemn pumice]

No it’s the translation error again that caused Luna to say magicx is making a flip phone

[glad oriole]

Overheating, frequency reduction, and battery life are the biggest problems when playing games on mobile phones

[frigid condor]

I need a phone with joysticks that I can put in my ear like an earbud

[tawny swan]

yeah on market only one real gaming phone

which dont ask external cooler to be good 😄

[glad oriole]

Gaming phones are not designed for retro games, but for native Android games.

[tawny swan]

ew

android games

help me ... did i miss any worth soc, which are already exist or can be used soon? handhelds only

[glad oriole]

MagicX has developed multiple MTK platforms, but they were only used on retro phones, resulting in heavy losses. Gaming phones are their way out.

[solemn pumice]

Just play some games bro

[tawny swan]

nothing interesting released... last game what i finish was stalker 2

not for retro stuff vibe now

[glad oriole]

God of War 2 at 60 fps
D7300: 1.5x
D7350: 2.5x

[tawny swan]

yeah solid... 7350 gpu good

very

[glad oriole]

7350 is stronger than 1300

[tawny swan]

i know

1300 in plans too?

or u just newer generation focus

[glad oriole]

1300 is 8050

[tawny swan]

yup

mtk has many renames

[long sapphire]

when are u having 7350 chipset in your handheld what prices? it seem 7350 chipset can play upto 90 percent of ps2 library am i right

[tawny swan]

u can play 100% even with D900 if u tweak allot

[glad oriole]

8050/1300 generates heat and consumes high power

[tawny swan]

but?

it has good price right?

and its super unpopular

price should be sweet, maybe worth to play

[glad oriole]

PS2
7050 is the entry-level model
7300 is the standard model
7350 is the deluxe model

[tawny swan]

D1300/8050

a bit higher consumption and a bit more heat I think it's forgivable

865 lvl btw 😉

[stark stirrup]

Hardware Specs
CPU: MediaTek Genio 510
RAM: LPDDR4X 4GB
ROM: 64GB
Display: 7inch, 1920*1080, 16:9, 60Hz

[tawny swan]

Abxylute One Pro ik

u know somone who still have it? i need only real codename on it

[bronze yew]

And you said a $99 PS2 capable handheld would kill the industry, Dream Two for $99 with a D7300 lets goooo

[tawny swan]

''If you can't beat them, lead them'' anyway 7050 = 7300 (maybe newer drivers, idk ... will be hard to check now)

[fiery panther]

I lost track of this channel

Can somone tell if anything important was said

Please

[solemn pumice]

Most important stuff recently that’s not pinned

[fiery panther]

Hmm

[solemn pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/ian-xxl-xxl-freestyle-freshman-freestyle-gif-4447546565556914127

[fiery panther]

I don't get the reference

But

I'll see if I'm interested when I see it in a video

[solemn pumice]

All good, this discord is a little bit too old for that

[radiant lantern]

Just looked this up, a lot worse than the original tbh

[fiery panther]

Sorry I'm angry birds generation

[solemn pumice]

Pixel Gun 3D Generation sounds way better

[fiery panther]

Never played it lmao

I played Minecraft Xbox 360

[dry sierra]

minecraft inspired fps game

[fiery panther]

I know

But

I didn't had my own phone

All I had was my mom's phone and the with the permission to install 3 games

Cut the rope, jetpack joyride and Angry Birds

[solemn pumice]

Maybe is privileged with my iPod touch

[dry sierra]

just de install cut the rope once u finished it

[radiant lantern]

Wheres my water stays on top

[solemn pumice]

Y’all clearly have never heard of pocket army

Actually scratch that

Infinity Blade

The best mobile game til this day

Infinity Blade walked so Fortnite could run

[fiery panther]

I don't think I knew how to or wanted to

[fiery panther]

We have never purchased any apple stuff here

Too expensive at the time

[dry sierra]

lmao I knew how to install apps since age 7

that's when I first got my first electronic device

unfortunately also around the time I started playing less with my toys and playing more with my tablet

[woven shell]

Remember when mobile games were genuine attempts to be games

[solemn pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457672688656187392/1279480118925987870/IMG_3759.gif

[sullen tide]

Where is this from?

[solemn pumice]

https://youtu.be/vshBgfqkxBI?si=hnNGRTjqb9YQjNzV

[sullen tide]

This is the last one I saw https://youtu.be/vKgel49qA5s?si=-JrcMsbDfbkYAyqM

[solemn pumice]

Eeeeewwww

[sullen tide]

lol

[clever verge]

Rocknix is already there

But Linux Kernel on the sd662 already exists. I'm the one who found one, it's a 6.1 build as well

But they used it as a Spring board because they wanted Linux on the SD card for Functionality of Dual Booting

[long sapphire]

ha ha. am i getting $10,000 from xuretro luna ??? just joking

[solemn pumice]

Nah luna‘s gotta sell 50.000 Dream 1‘s before he could even pay you

[clever verge]

I shared this b4 Mangmi and other channels as well. Linux ain't going anywhere, the devs aren't done cooking anytime soon. Port Master Exsists, and Amdroid RetroArch Sucks to set up yourself vs the Plug & Play of Linux

[glad oriole]

Rest assured, if your dreams come true, each of you will receive a $10,000 reward.

[clever verge]

Rocknix Team is currently on the SD 865, 8 gen 2, & G3x Gen 2 as well

Also Luna, G85 has a Linux Kernel as well. So.....

[glad oriole]

The game has Final Fantasy, but reality is just fantasy

[solemn pumice]

I’ve been dreaming of this though

[long sapphire]

in future, google may disallow sideloading, emulation developer may not update their emulator in android ( fear of nintendo lawyers) and will move to linux. therefore having linux is a good backup.

[clever verge]

Google ended up walking back that side Loading decision apparently

[long sapphire]

drastic is not going maintain but left with apk. how are u going to update if google ban sideloading

[solemn pumice]

Maybe they’ll only do it on data enabled devices like phones or 5g tablets

[long sapphire]

hopefully yes, as i got y700 tablet for emulation gaming and i dont want google to destroy emulation community.

[glad oriole]

It will take at least a year for Linux to develop a relatively complete platform. Android can be upgraded to Sco three times a year. As time goes by, Linux will be eliminated by the market.

With the continuous launch of cheap, high-performance Android devices, Linux is no longer a good option.

[burnt current]

Right, because investing in getting Linux builds made is just another cost

[long sapphire]

u and all the retro companies must visit google or write to them ask them dont ban sideloading of apps.

[glad oriole]

Qualcomm and MTK's Linux underlying drivers are imperfect and closed. Even with official support, there are still various problems. Optimization and updates take a long time, and Android upgrades Soc will KO you.

Let's not discuss whether Linux can fully thrive.
The $130 Android-powered D7350 will undoubtedly beat the $200 Linux-powered SD865 in the market.

[spark cradle]

Linux gaming on these higher-end chips is like 3-5 years away and that's fine

most people are happy with Android

[sharp cloud]

For me Linux is good to have, but shouldn't be the priority

[solemn pumice]

Let’s hope we can even get to that point first.

Gotta nail the Dream 1 Launch before extrapolating too much..

[long sapphire]

thanks for your update. waiting for your d7350 device launch at 130 dollar 🙂

[bronze yew]

Android pre-setup with Dawn is good enough for 95% of the userbase tbh

[jolly kettle]

Truth

[solemn pumice]

Truth

[rare junco]

This will help you sell 100000 units Luna.

[sinful mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/dodgeball-strategy-bold-tactics-gif-9166664

[solemn pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/kombucha-girl-no-well-change-gif-15183984

[sinful mortar]

11/10 vaporwave enthusiasts will buy this on color alone

[tawdry vessel]

Reminds me of that one Retron console or what was it ...

[tawdry vessel]

Ah, yes, that's it!

[fringe cedar]

Enough.

[clever verge]

@rare junco @candid dawn

Aren't those the Mr. Beast colors.....

[sinful mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/tobey-maguire-that-was-today-they-stole-it-from-me-pawn-sacrifice-they-took-it-gif-23155880

[candid dawn]

🤷‍♂️

[clever verge]

Fuck.....its literally to grab his fan base kids on that alone

[sinful mortar]

Change the name to beast50

what could go wrong

[rare junco]

Guess it can be a lot of things 😂

[clever verge]

Yea, but they know what they are doing. It's intentional to sell units

[candid dawn]

Change the name to Super beast. And use the Rob Zombie song in the promo videos.

[bronze yew]

ChatGPT ain't cooperating properly, this doesn't looks like the transparent color of the Zero40 at all

at least it made the buttons black, but applying PS coloring to the letters was too much for it too

also kill the cheap e-waste looking Dream One 40 and give us clean black or I riot

[sudden narwhal]

All-Black with monochrome font looks nice 👌

[solemn pumice]

Man you just ruined it

[clever verge]

I didn't ruin anything, blame my Kid

[sinful mortar]

ok Kit's kid
you done fucked up the handhelds permanently for jigg

now apologize to the manchild on the internet /s

[solemn pumice]

Tbf I didn’t really like it to begin with

[solemn pumice]

Huh

[sinful mortar]

its just a joke

[bronze yew]

the manchilds have money to buy this, the manchilds demand Pokémon Dream One 40

[clever verge]

Tbf, he saw me looking at the Xu Dream 40 & 50....he wants 1 now. He has the Retroid 2s & MM+. I'm tempted to get him 1 for the Price, and myself. But we both like fun colors

[sinful mortar]

lucky kid

[bronze yew]

does the kid want the Dream One 40 or the Dream One 50?

[clever verge]

When I first got into Emulation, I bought him a 2s while I got me and my wife 4 pro each. Then I got a Mm+ for myself and he more or less stole it from me. So I go him 1 as well because I wanted mine back

Now we just share all but his 2, because they are Curated Rom Lists with His tastes in Games

Makes it easier than full Libraries

[clever verge]

He said it depends on final colors because we both can't tell which colors are fan made or real yet

[bronze yew]

nothing is real except the Pokémon N64 one

[clever verge]

If the Pokemon 1 was real, it would be that for sure for both of us. He loves matching me like that

[bronze yew]

@glad oriole we demand fun Pokémon N64 colors

[clever verge]

Transparent N64 Green like the Retroid Pocket 2s

[bronze yew]

yeah but a simple uni-color transparent may just look cheap in the end and be not recognized as N64 inspired

[clever verge]

It was just right, minus those Skittle Buttons

But I'm just tired of Skittle Buttons in General

Same for DMG grey

[bronze yew]

I mean generally I would be in favor of replicating all transparent N64 colors

[sinful mortar]

someone other than r36s needs to take up the funtastic gauntlet

[bronze yew]

but as of now we seem to be limited to two color choices for the Dream One 40 and Dream One 50... so one has to be black and the other one will be fun/nostalgia bait

[bronze yew]

I would collect these fuckers like infinity stones

[sinful mortar]

its hard/expensive to find real ones
but on the flip side its easy and cheap to get good looking shells

[bronze yew]

unfortunately I only have two black N64

[sinful mortar]

whats unfortunate about that just reshell them then

trogg tech makes some new colors too

https://trogg.tech/nintendo-64/

[bronze yew]

nah, aftermarket shells

[sinful mortar]

iirc they're ~$80

[bronze yew]

those look neat

ChatGPT ain't doing what I want, but ehhh, that's what I want

clean black, Pokémon N64, Japanese dual color clear-blue/white-ish N64... I would buy all of them

hmmm, yeah buttons akin to the controller ports and that with the clear-white back shell and I'm sold

then I will print out a expansion pak and glue it onto the battery

[sinful mortar]

bonus points for white pcb

or actually no just fail points for not having white pcb

[fringe cedar]

Ok, now this one is awesome

[bronze yew]

tell that to Luna, we will get stupid colors at the end of the day, I'm sure

[sinful mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-reee-reeee-reeeee-scree-gif-12568403

XU is the safe boring brand with safe boring colors

[zealous jolt]

give that one on the left colored abxy buttons like the pokemon rp classic and ill buy 20

[bronze yew]

that's the inspiration tho, doing the RP Classic button colors would be wrong

I mean they could do yellow face buttons for all I care

[zealous jolt]

they would match the buttons on the controller

[tall olive]

For anyone who owns a magicx/xuretro handheld what kind of dpad and buttons do they use, are they more clicky or soft?

[bronze yew]

membrane, so soft

[zealous jolt]

soft, they use rubber membrane buttons

[tall olive]

Okay

Thanks

[bronze yew]

not really, N64 buttons ain't green-red

[zealous jolt]

start and b are most certainly green and red

[bronze yew]

ChatGPT only produces shit, but yeah we could definitely go wild if XU would be willing to go nuts

[zealous jolt]

I love it

It would be cool to offer the colored buttons as extra, like it comes with the black ones preinstalled but the colored come loose or upon request and then we could swap them out if we want. I'd imagine not everyone would want the colorful buttons

idk how willing they'd be to do that though, magicx wasn't

[bronze yew]

I mean it would at the very least be an attention drawing colorway, but I doubt they would do double button sets, especially with the relatively tight profit margins here, for a second I also considered N64-button colors on the ice-blue one, but I think that goes better with the grey/white colors... shame ChatGPT doesn't gives me the misty transparent white on the back, would love to see it that way

Luna should hand over their renders so we can change colors ourself properly

[fathom swallow]

Haha. Def one of those colorways armchair buyers will hype and then they'll sell 4

[bronze yew]

yeah well, ChatGPT can't improve on this at all, so I will just leave these here and call it a day @glad oriole

[burnt current]

God, so many AI images

[bronze yew]

if Luna ain't provides us neat color renders, we have to AI them ourselves

[burnt current]

"Look what you made me do"

[fiery panther]

Now they are virtual casinos

And people are tired

So they pirate

And companies don't make games

No one wins

Look at Rovio

[woven shell]

love looking in this channel and only seeing dogshit ai gen images

[bronze yew]

fine, go and paint us a masterpiece yourself then

[burnt current]

Never heard of it

Is that your point?

[fiery panther]

The company behind Angry Birds, bruh

They release dog shit games

With aggressive micro transactions

Because people didn't payed a cent with their old games

Which also they got rid of

[burnt current]

Ohh

[tall olive]

Bad piggies r.i.p

And now Sega owns them

[fiery panther]

And they don't do shit with the company

[tall olive]

True

Are they even going to be in the new Sega kart racing game?

[fiery panther]

And unrelated but
Their discord is a kindergarten

Mild swearing isn't even allowed

[tall olive]

D#mn, that's unfortunate 😔

[fiery panther]

And in general, that place sucks

Someday
I'll throw a f bomb there and leave

[burnt current]

I imagine they have an automod for that kind of thing

[sinful mortar]

does bobby count

[tall olive]

That's why you send a gif with the f bomb in it instead

👍

[dry sierra]

the black one looks clean though

I like the way the shell looks

black handheld have always been my favorites, except for the oem stuff

gba purple, gbc blue, gb gray

[fiery panther]

https://tenor.com/view/tak-angry-birds-tak-angrybirds-złe-ptaki-zle-ptaki-gif-25493916

[frigid condor]

meow

[sinful mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-gif-1189969448717430292

[bronze yew]

I will definitely buy a black Dream One 40, if they don't fuck up the color and do shitty transparent black with orange buttons... to make it look extra cheap and e-wasty

but I would also 100% buy a Pokémon and Japanese N64 colorway... so if they play their cards right, I buy 3

[dry sierra]

I've always wanted a gray little dockable clamshell with a super famicom sticker on it

I am absolutely in love with the super famicom's look

[bronze yew]

rg353p would have been the only one I wanted in famicom colors, but Anbernic fumbled it and made it US SNES colors instead, so I got transparent black

I think like 75% of my devices are just black

the rest splits between white, metal, some nostalgia bait colors like indigo, cheese and dmg and a few outliers

[wet quest]

Hey guys do we know anything about the XU40 H55 release date?

Do we even know the prices of the XU40 H55?

[burnt current]

[wet quest]

Im debating whether to buy the Air X, the XU35 or the XU40

[burnt current]

[bronze yew]

that's basically cancelled or postponed indefinitely

we will get two devices called Dream One 40 and Dream One 50 going on pre-sale next month, G85, 3+32 RAM/ROM, 4.0" 960x720 or 5.0" 1280x720 for $66+shipping

[clever verge]

All other devices are canceled til further notice

Dream 40 & 50 are it

[wet quest]

Damn. Did they say why?

[clever verge]

"Market is too competitive. People have unrealistic Expectations of cost to Performace. Harsh Criticism is hard to take."

[livid herald]

Either increased competition or they wanted to scale back to more attainable production goals

[bronze yew]

change in strategy due to the Android market breaking into the budget territory

gotta compete with the Mangmi X and Ayaneo Pocket Air Mini somehow

[livid herald]

I feel like besides competition, they also probably realized announcing too many devices long before they're released may be a bad idea, so now they're down to a more realistic two devices

[clever verge]

It's good to actually release products at some point as a company

[livid herald]

True

[wet quest]

I thought that the xu35 and xu40 were really good competitors to the Air X. Especially the xu35 since it had better performance for thr same price right?

[bronze yew]

I mean, XU35 was the same SoC they are using now iirc?

[clever verge]

They have a 4", 4:3 & a 5", 16:9

Both using a G85, 3gb + 32gb layout

[bronze yew]

yeah, stuff just got a lot cheaper for us

[bronze yew]

3+32 mate

the Pocket Air Mini is 3+64

[clever verge]

Fixed

[wet quest]

Is the pocket air mini also a g85?

[clever verge]

G90T

Slightly worse G99

[wet quest]

Oh damn. Do we know the price at all yet?

[bronze yew]

nah, G90T, basically a ancient version of the G99, but that thing is $89-99 retail, compared to $66 for the Dream One

[clever verge]

$80

[bronze yew]

yeah on Early Bird

[clever verge]

Fair lol

[bronze yew]

with $20 shipping we are still out a bit more than with the $66+$10 shipping for the Dream One

[clever verge]

I figure most people will be jumping on these quickly for best prices because it's android

The 2gb version is not worth it. 3gb all the way

[bronze yew]

I won't jump, because Aya promised a free one to Pocket S2 backers

[wet quest]

Damn is there really any reason to get an Air X if the Dream One is coming out a month later?

[clever verge]

I'm still Team XU Retro, I just want them to release a device for once in stead of talking about it

[bronze yew]

I mean, if you want a 5.5" screen I guess

[clever verge]

1080p, 5.5", sd662, has Rocknix support already well underway

[wet quest]

Yeah but sd662 is worse than g85

[clever verge]

But has Rocknix support already

[livid herald]

Yeah, the Rocknix is what's leading me towards the Air X, admittedly

[bronze yew]

honestly the Air X is pretty unexciting for me, I have the RP5

[wet quest]

What's rocknix

[clever verge]

Linux

[livid herald]

Would be nice to see Ubuntu Touch or postmarketOS on the XU Dreams, but that's not as likely, all things considered

(They'd need to use Halium, I think)

[clever verge]

So you can load up the SD card. Plug it in, then load your Roms/Bios and go

Pre Configured easy mode

[wet quest]

Is linuix really that much better than android? Like what's the advantage

[tall olive]

And you also get portmaster

[bronze yew]

I mean, if they sell a shit ton of these it may happen

[livid herald]

True

[leaden fog]

Lower input lag, portmaster

[clever verge]

I'm a Linux Dev

I'm Bias as hell

[bronze yew]

basically Portmaster, slightly less input lag and not having to set up everything yourself because the CFW devs did it

[livid herald]

It depends on usecase, admittedly

[bronze yew]

you throw away the decent Android sleep mode tho

[livid herald]

Both have their advantages and disadvantages

[clever verge]

Not really, we do alright depending on the chip

[bronze yew]

depending on the chip may be the keyword here

but yeah I'm all for CFW existing

doesn't means I have to use it at the end of the day

[wet quest]

Cfw?

[clever verge]

Exactly

[clever verge]

Custom Firm Ware

[bronze yew]

and MagicX/XU Retro stuff comes pretty well pre-setup with Dawn/Aurora launcher, so I'm honestly cool with using it as is

[tawny swan]

G90T which has the same performance in cpu as G99 if compare to pocket micro

and better gpu

if count KT-R1 it has a slightly better realization G99 than G90t (but u wont feel that in any game)

[wet quest]

Idk guys this is so confusing
Im kinda new to this hobby should I get the Air X or wait for the Dream one

[bronze yew]

depends on what you want, 4:3, 16:9, Linux CFW or slightly more power, Air X looks like it has some build in ergo, Dream is flat slab goodness

inline or stacked triggers are also a distinction here

[tawny swan]

depend what u need

if 4:3 = Aya air mini, if 16x9 wait dream 1

maybe soon dream 2 with 7300 can out 4:3 sub 100$

[bronze yew]

Dream Two won't happen the next 4-5 months, don't sell anything that's not ready to release

[long sapphire]

16:9 screen 5.5 1080p mangmi air x

[tawny swan]

weak

[long sapphire]

g85 vs s662 about the same processing power

[tawny swan]

crazy

oh ... nanoreview guy right?

[bronze yew]

nanoreview > whatever Whatever claims

[tawny swan]

here real by Geekbench 6 official database, can link any of this results

not done yet, but whatever

[wet quest]

Is the 16x9 version of the Dream coming out at the same time as the 4x3 version?

And also how tf do we know that they'll actually release it this timd

[tawny swan]

i dont think so

[wet quest]

Earlier or later?

[tawny swan]

they need to check sales on dream 1 4:3

[wet quest]

Oh ok

I just don't know if I want to wait for a device that might never come out

[tawny swan]

well if wont wait, u can go for 4:3 dream 1

or air mini

[wet quest]

Are there any other 16:9 devices under $100 that compare to the Air X?

[long sapphire]

Here’s a breakdown comparison between the Helio G85 and Snapdragon 662 (S662) in terms of AnTuTu and related metrics, along with my commentary on what it means in real-world use.

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Summary of Benchmark Numbers

Metric Helio G85 Snapdragon 662

AnTuTu v10 (total) ~ 262,684 ~ 247,218
AnTuTu v10 (subscores) CPU: 87,210 / GPU: 40,264 / Memory: 64,159 / UX: 71,051 CPU: 89,386 / GPU: 34,918 / Memory: 60,894 / UX: 61,570
AnTuTu v9 (comparison) ~ 226,311 ~ 209,877

Key Observations

In the v10 benchmark, G85 leads in total score by a margin (262k vs 247k).

G85 has stronger GPU and UX (user-experience / UI) scores compared to the S662.

S662’s CPU score is slightly higher (89,386 vs 87,210) in that particular data set.

In memory and UX, G85 tends to have an advantage over S662.

In earlier versions (v9), the gap is also in favor of G85, though narrower.

---

Breakdown & Interpretation

CPU

Snapdragon 662 has a slightly higher CPU subscore in the v10 data (89,386 vs 87,210).

This suggests that for pure computational tasks (arithmetic, logic, single/multi thread performance), S662 might edge ahead in some workloads.

However, the difference is small, so in many regular tasks (apps, browsing, multitasking) it might not be very noticeable.

GPU (Graphics)

Helio G85 has a clear advantage in GPU score: ~40,264 vs ~34,918.

That’s about a ~15–20% advantage in graphics workloads.

This means for games, 3D rendering, animations, G85 will likely give better frame rates or higher settings in more cases.

Memory + I/O

G85: ~ 64,159 in the memory/IO subscore (v10)

S662: ~ 60,894 in the memory/IO subscore

G85 has modest advantage here. Better memory and I/O performance helps in faster app loading, smoother swapping, data transfer, etc.

UX (User Experience, UI Responsiveness)

G85: ~ 71,051 (v10)

S662: ~ 61,570 (v10)

---

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Bottom Line

[bronze yew]

it will go on pre-sale in late October as well, but ship 10-15 days later than the 4:3 version

[tawny swan]

Aahhaha

ai prompt

what a lol

also count antutu its wild (meme benchmark)

[long sapphire]

u got 5 dollar off for early bird at 75 dollar
u got a poor man's rp5 device why not

[wet quest]

Might just go for the Air X tbh. Who knows if the Dream will even come out :/

Are there any other 16:9 devices under $100 that compare to the Air X?

[long sapphire]

if psp/dreamcast/n64 library
better 3ds/ds as bigger screen
it is really good for air X

1080p 5.5 inches screen. what more u want.

[bronze yew]

don't know about shipping and potential taxes yet, Dream One will be $66+$10 flat

[bronze yew]

only used stuff, pretty sure you could find some RP3+ or x28 for below $100

[long sapphire]

if u need more power, dont mind small screen at 4.2 inches. smaller psp screen
but more playable ps2 and gc.
3ds and ds toggle mode or tate mode.
can consider ayaneo pocket mini

[tawny swan]

no

Air X was unique

[bronze yew]

pretty sure people will play with their Dream One by the end of this year, we just have to force Luna into making the colors we want

[plucky halo]

Even handhelds has power scalers now

[fringe cedar]

Can't wait until some news/photos drop so this can stop being an argument about all the things the Dream1 isn't 🤣💀

[long sapphire]

the problem with dream1 it is actually competing with ayaneo pocket mini not mangmi air x. air x has 16:9 aspect ratio 5.5 inches for people wanted bigger screen.
both dream 1 and pocket mini is 4:3 device. ayaneo marketing is solid, they show video of gow2 ps2 and shadow of colossus, this fool people that pocket mini can support quite a number of ps2 games which are not true. they use cheat mod and some setting but how users will know. they even introduce 2G/32G model for early bird at 70 dollars about the price of dream1 at 66 dollars.
obviously g90t is way stronger than g85 chip and between the choice people choose pocket mini over dream1. dream1 if release 1 to 2 month earlier they will do well. with the arrival of ayaneo pocket mini, dream1 face a very difficult opponent.

[tawny swan]

how much mangmi did u pay for that nosense words every day?

Everything you say is not even close to the truth... You constantly twist the facts.

[long sapphire]

no. u can search g90t perform around 50 percent better than g85 and s662. this information can easily find in the web.

[tawny swan]

...

[fathom swallow]

Uh oh. Time for a chart off!

[long sapphire]

https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/mediatek-helio-g90t-vs-mediatek-helio-g85

[tawny swan]

real difference Air X vs Pocket Air vs Dream 1 is bigger screen (cant say what quality it is, dont see valid tests) and more RAM, thats IT.

also XU35 exist 4:3 with 4gb ram

You're talking about something you know absolutely nothing about. They show you the emulation settings, they show you real gameplay, and you say they're cheaters. Are you sure you're okay?

Stop trying so hard to convince people that Air X is better, bc its not true

[long sapphire]

infact dream1 is a very good retro handheld better than anbernic release h700 series, it bring mid tier processor which is rg505, k56 and x28 which are selling at 120 to 130 unlike dreamer1 selling at 66.
but ayaneo pocket mini come in with similar screen as yours but stronger cpu g90t and with 2G model ( which people should not get) the early bird is at attractive 70 dollar quite similar to dream1 at 66 dollar. this is fact.

[radiant lantern]

Nobody should buy the 2gb pocket air mini

[tawny swan]

seems like its ai ... but super outdate model

[radiant lantern]

32 gb of storage on android is pitiful

[tawny swan]

we didnt talk about Dream vs Air Mini, only about Mangmi vs others

[long sapphire]

air X is for people who want bigger screen for pc streaming for better psp gameplay.
in that area. dream1 is not that device. they are different

[tawny swan]

Yes, and thats it

[bronze yew]

you are aware that there will also be a 16:9 Dream One

[tawny swan]

stop making up imaginary advantages

[bronze yew]

I mean to be fair, the trigger setup and the slightly bigger stream probably make the Air X the better streaming device (dunno about latency with the 662 compared to the G85 tho)

[tawny swan]

5'' inch yo, big difference with 5.5 ... 🤓

Magmi better, all buy Air X !!

[long sapphire]

i agree people should not buy 2G/32G as is it really bad. but those newbie see ayaneo marketing viral video thought that all their video gameplay on 2G/32G so they will buy ayaneo marketing tricks.

[tawny swan]

that how david looks:

[fathom swallow]

Says man with 0 handhelds 😆

[long sapphire]

dream1 is 4.0 inches unless it change to 5 inches am i wrong

[tawny swan]

again no sense words ...

[fathom swallow]

Any serious streamer knows that .5 inches can make a big difference

[tawny swan]

2gb enough for ps2 emulation, and anything below (with some game exceptions)

its not enough for android games

[fathom swallow]

Small drop in screen size and some text becomes unreadable on PC games

[tawny swan]

2gb decent option, but its option

[long sapphire]

dream1 is not xu35 h50. xu35 h50 at 5 inches for 4:3 screen is good. i thought it is cancelled?

[tawny swan]

:/

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[long sapphire]

it is 4 inches am i right?

[radiant lantern]

There's two models of the dream 1

Ones 4:3 the other is 16:9

[tawny swan]

https://tenor.com/view/poof-breaking-bad-saul-goodman-bob-odenkirk-gone-gif-3134182018174735587

[long sapphire]

okay. because the poster is not clear. i based on the 66 dollar poster.

[fringe cedar]

And none of them are Yellow

[tawny swan]

if u realy like that colour, u can just paint it easy

[long sapphire]

4 inches 4:3 and 4 inches 16:9 models???

[tawny swan]

maybe hes trolling us

i wont believe that he can be like that

[bronze yew]

5" 16:9 1280x720

I wrote that above when this whole pointless discussion started, now everyone shut the fuck up and buy whatever you want

[fringe cedar]

Preach 🙌

[long sapphire]

is there a poster or anything abd will it be also 66 dollar.
if 5 inches 16:9 720p it is really a good purchase it will be like trimui smart pro.
but i dont c any poster. i only know that xu35 h50 get cancelled??

5 inches screen may now able to compete again air x as g85 chip is around 10 percent faster.

[bronze yew]

haven't made one yet, Luna already confirmed that it's also $66 and goes on pre-sale the same day, but will ship out 10-15 days later than the 4:3 model

[jolly kettle]

Dream 1 will be better for android gaming if you're content with using an SD card for storage

Than the 2gb air mini

[long sapphire]

okay thanks for your information. i hope that the 5 inches 16:9 screen exist as it is similar to trimui smart pro. and it maybe more pocketable compare to air x.

[bronze yew]

I think it will probably just be the TSP screen, which is 4.96", so basically 5"

[long sapphire]

i saw the 66 dollar poster and i thought only 1 variant of 4 inches. yes it is good for the market as suddenly there are more competition for mid tier devices giving advantage to consumer

[jolly kettle]

The dream 1 will be a much better value proposition when the air mini's earlybird lapses

If you want to spend as little money as possible that is

[radiant lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

$76 vs $120 including shipping

[bronze yew]

yeah Air Mini only works out on Early Bird pricing tbh

also Mangmi Air X will be $90 after Pre-Sale iirc?

[fathom swallow]

And ayaneo MSRP is almost never reality

So really y'all are just making shit up

[bronze yew]

let alone that we don't know shipping and potential taxes for that yet

[jolly kettle]

Air X's battery life is meh at best

Compared to the mtk g85

[long sapphire]

then xu dreamer1 should release after pocket mini early bird lapse. i think xu dreamer1 will do well. but personally i prefer the 5 inches 16:9 aspect ratio for psp gaming.

[jolly kettle]

<=3 hours on psp vs 5.5 hours on the g85

[bronze yew]

dude, you can only get the good Aya price either while it's EB or when they clear stock

[radiant lantern]

I mean yeah they do sales, but there's still plenty of time where they sell it for msrp, and who's waiting for the air mini to go on sale

[bronze yew]

why should it, they keep the $66 price point, it will sell

[fathom swallow]

Exactly. Ayaneo MSRP does not exist

Y'all talking like it does

[long sapphire]

ayaneo pocket mini are really doing very well especially launch in china selling 7500 units

[dire ivy]

the Odroid go Ultra and the rgb10max3pro

[fathom swallow]

By the time it's actually being sold at MSRP people will be selling on marketplaces for eb

But it feels good for them to show big %%%% off

[bronze yew]

OGU only works for Americans as shipping is insane, RGB10max3pro is over $100

[jolly kettle]

Both even worse for efficiency

Will the dream one 50 also have the same 4300mah battery?

Or would they squeeze in a 5000mah cell

[bronze yew]

everything same, just different screen

[dire ivy]

you're gonna have to back that up buddy. the amlogics have stronger gpus and more mature firmware

[jolly kettle]

Ahh

[jolly kettle]

Truth

Haven't done alot of research on the amlogic stuff

CFW saved the ogu

[dire ivy]

the ARM Mali-G52 MP6 allowed s922x to pretty much run heavy polygon/texture games for cheap, and the amlogic A73 core configs still run faster in single-thread mode since their clocks go up to 2.4ghz. there's just a consistent amount of 'ew hardkernel' in this corner of the community

which is fair. hardkernel is not known for putting money into build quality. the same can be said for powkiddy lol

[fringe cedar]

Nooo stop talking about the Max3Pro

I've been battling the desire to buy one for months... Dream1 pulled me out of it.

That and the disappointment of Max4/RGB50 vanishing into the ether

[dire ivy]

i think max3pro has an g52 mp4 inside?

[tawny swan]

yes

[dire ivy]

yeah they're both decent budget handhelds.

[tawny swan]

Max3 pro was good for that price ...

but it rare

[long sapphire]

why u buy this when there is air x and dream 1 5inches model coming out.

[dire ivy]

someone said there were no other handhelds like these, so i corrected them?

[long sapphire]

there is one x55 5.5 inches but rk3566 chipset cannot compete.

[fringe cedar]

I mean... It is beautiful

[dire ivy]

okay you are clearly hallucinating

[bronze yew]

it indeed is, that's why I overpaid for the blue one

[long sapphire]

dream1 5inches and air x are the one to get for 16:9 device less than 90 dollar

[dire ivy]

i had the warm grey and blue one, because i melted the cpu on one and got a replacer.

then i sold the working one lol

[fringe cedar]

I want/wanted the grey one...

Hearing about the Max4 being a re-shell of this was amazing news but I think I have waited too long.

[dire ivy]

fun times. don't overclock-overvolt-dethrottle

we begged powkiddy to give it a touchscreen, and they like... OMEGA FOOT-DOWN'd the 'no it does not need touchscreen/android'. so close to perfect

[bronze yew]

yeah, it's kind of a shame the Max4 never happened, because I liked the design and hated the no-Wifi and some other stuff about the Max3, but oh well

Dream One 50 certainly will be the sub$100 16:9 device to get going forward

[jolly kettle]

There is a lineageos build for it out there apparently? How is it?

[fringe cedar]

Personally, the fact it was beefy Linux was it's biggest appeal to me 🤷‍♂️

[dire ivy]

performant, but janky. i used a (wearable)air-mouse with mine

[fringe cedar]

But alas... I don't think it's ever coming

[dire ivy]

yeah let the better-built dream1/air-x take point.

[fringe cedar]

RGB30 still doing the business for me at present, but Dream1 really has my attention.

I'm scared to use Android

[dire ivy]

i have an x28 on the way and a 256gb microsd already prestocked with apks, games, hacking tools, and whatnot with a switch case for it to live in. just another day

[bronze yew]

as pre-setup as MagicX's/XU Retros launcher is, you can just drop your ROMs onto an SD card and call it a day

[fringe cedar]

This sounds reassuring!

[glad oriole]

Mali-G310 MC2
Mali-G57 MC2
Which GPU has better performance?

[tawny swan]

MC2 ofc way way better

u really thinking to pick amlogic S905X5M?

[glad oriole]

They should all be MC2

no

A76+G310

[tawny swan]

i know only S905X5 with G310 2 and it way weaker than 57 MC2

[glad oriole]

Is G310 much weaker than G57?

[tawny swan]

yes

really want to fight vs that?

[glad oriole]

Vulkan is good on the G310

[tawny swan]

if u want tell here soc, send in dms ill try find results to compare

[glad oriole]

This is a TV box solution, don't think too much

[tawny swan]

ik

amlogic

they never have good drivers

[glad oriole]

A76 solution game box, game Linux, Android 15TV

[glad oriole]

I don't understand your pictures

[tall olive]

No one does 😔

[zealous jolt]

Linux?

[tawny swan]

Dimencity700, G57 MC2

[glad oriole]

It is an Android box that supports Linux. MagicX does not plan to use this SoC for handheld devices.

[tawny swan]

yeah ik

many of them support linux

[sharp cloud]

G310 only has option for 1 core, so just mp1/mc1. But there is alot variants/customization within the core, so performance can varies alot depending on the one used. you can only test it yourself and compare

[glad oriole]

Possibly G310 V2

[tawny swan]

yeah it is

[glad oriole]

I want to know how this GPU performs.

[tawny swan]

half of G57 MC2

+-

[glad oriole]

Allwinner A527 uses G57 MC1, so it cannot be weaker than it. Officially, the G310 is equivalent to G57MC2.

How does the Imagination PowerVR BXM4-64 compare to this?

[tawny swan]

no idea who say u that ...

[tawny swan]

BXM4-64 is different lvl soc gpu

[fiery panther]

Wish I could understand any of this

[bronze yew]

TV boxes are uninteresting anyway, as you can just grab a cheap Mini PC that does up to Switch for below $100

[fiery panther]

Which one runs PS2 better

And has less heat

[tawny swan]

not interesting for gaming

tv boxes has big advantages of mini pc for watching content

[bronze yew]

Ehhh... If you think so

[dire ivy]

you guys bickering over gpu's have zero idea what you're talking about. it's kinda funny.

[dire ivy]

g57 is newer and a little over twice as powerful per core

it's like 700's versus 1200's on Wildlife Unlimited

[tawny swan]

https://tenor.com/view/cqt-viralhog-pet-upside-down-relax-gif-11796968926363945914

[sharp cloud]

G310 is actually 2 generations newer, though it's a lower end entry.

[dire ivy]

if you really like cheap, powerful mali socs, find a warehouse full of old Kirin 810 processors. But if you're building a tv box, amlogic already has the a311d2 that you can compare with

[glad oriole]

The market size of game boxes is much larger than that of retro handheld consoles

[dire ivy]

that g52-mp8 gpu is pretty nice

[frigid condor]

does magicx still make them?

[dire ivy]

hardkernel has a huge steak in the gamebox market if you want to look over their stuff.

i personally have an N2+ fully loaded with android and ubuntu for experimenting with

they're most powerful kit is an i3-n305(supply your own ram/storage). lowest is an 8gb ram rk3566

[glad oriole]

MagicX's main profit still comes from boxes. Their handheld device division has been losing money. The continuous development of molds, SoCs, and software requires huge development costs.

[dire ivy]

you're not competing properly.

find a weak spot in the market and fill that.

[glad oriole]

Competition is not the most critical issue, and the main market has shrunk severely

[dire ivy]

have you considered doing a 6" gaming tablet? give it an soc that supports docking, and build it for easy telescopic controller pairing

currently, only the Razer Edge fills that spot. I guess you could count the switch.

[tall olive]

Maybe it's just cope but the one 35 seems like it has enough creativity in it to get decent sales imo

[glad oriole]

Our boss and MagicX boss are not optimistic about the current retro handheld game consoles. Even though some devices have been completed, they are not mass-produced.

[dire ivy]

hmmm...

partner with powkiddy? take on each other's dead projects?

[tall olive]

Well I wish you luck in your endeavours, magicx and xu seem to be pushing the market in a good direction with unique design choices and well priced hardware

[glad oriole]

RP is okay this year, RG is average, Ma and Ay have been losing money, and Mi, Tr, and Po have been on vacation for a long time. This is the real situation of Chinese retro manufacturers.

[glad oriole]

They may release XU20

[dire ivy]

yeah because powkiddy isn't making new stuff

[glad oriole]

powkiddy has been cooperating with MagicX and has sold Xu10. Most of the game boxes they sell are MagicX.

G310V5 is the correct one

Does V5 have 5 cores?

[dire ivy]

look at the soc layout. that will tell you everything

https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/07/01/amlogic-s905x5m-vs-s905x4-features-and-benchmarks-comparison/

same 4 A55's, but they are being overclocked to hell. probably have more cache and mobo bandwidth

https://youtu.be/bBeIAuaWIAo

[glad oriole]

905x5 is G310v2

[tawny swan]

no -_-

[glad oriole]

A55 and A76 cannot be compared

[dire ivy]

that's the 5. not the 5m

[tawny swan]

5m newer

[dire ivy]

i see what your'e talking about. the v5 is pretty new

[tawny swan]

and different

[dire ivy]

same cpu, updated gpu.

[tawny swan]

gpu different

[dire ivy]

i know amlogic's laziness. it's the same chip(with some tweaks to the dye) with a slightly different mali blob, which is the same blob they've been using for like 5 years, because only one dev updates it

[glad oriole]

Just now Soc official replied that G310V5 is slightly better than G57MC2

[dire ivy]

the naming conventions are weird. here's the official descriptions:
S905X5:
CPU ARM Cortex-A510
GPU ARM Mali-G310 V5
40k DMIPS
6 nm
PCIe 3.0

S905X5M:
CPU ARM Cortex-A55
GPU ARM Mali-G310 V2
30k DMIPS
6 nm

S905Y5:
CPU ARM Cortex-A55
GPU ARM Mali G31 MP2
20k DMIPS

[dire ivy]

why are you posting charts again

[tawny swan]

that lie

heavy asf

[dire ivy]

so this is where A510 gets confusing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A510

[glad oriole]

G310V5, 1GHz, 110 GFLOPS
A733:BXM4-64, 1GHz, equivalent to G57MC1, 60 GFLOPS
A537 and A527, 750MHz, equivalent to G57MC1, 50 GFLOPS
RK3568, 800MHz, G522EE, approximately 40-45 GFLOPS

Officially given

[dire ivy]

the gpu is fine. the cpu is what worries me. if it has 1mb cache, expect t610-ish performance

[tawny swan]

3568 ~ 100 (80 minimum)

tf they use

[dire ivy]

sgemm gflops test

it's a raw math brute force test

[tawny swan]

G310V5, 1GHz, 110 GFLOPS 110
A733:IMG BXM-4-64, 800MHz IMG BXM-4-64 50-65
A537, 850–1000MHz Mali-G57 MC1 60-80
A527, 800–1000MHz Mali-G57 MC1-2EE 60-80
RK3568, 800–1000MHz, Mali-G52 MP2 100-120
that how it should be, easy math ... i have no idea what they count

[dire ivy]

this is some sort of weird troll. i'm out

[fathom swallow]

Def a shared psychosis of some sort

[frigid condor]

I can say this is true, a Powkiddy related YouTube channel posted a video about the XU20 recently

[frigid condor]

I thought Miyoo and Trimui just have really long release schedules

They both release like 1 handheld a year

[glad oriole]

I can't comment on the company by that name, you guys can discuss

[tawny swan]

u should make alt acc Not LUNA and give us insides

https://tenor.com/view/ねこ-gif-24991081

[frigid condor]

[bronze yew]

Maybe in China, here those boxes have a rather shady reputation and as said, it's more cost effective to set up a Mini PC yourself

But good to know where the MagicX magic money comes from