2025 XU Product Slate

[dry sierra]

Probably unlikely but would love to see linux on this thing. Linux is generally better for low end systems. Although this is pretty powerful all things considered.

[bronze yew]

it's basically a cheaper and better Retroid Pocket 2S

[sharp cloud]

1. What is the delivery date for dream 1 again?

2. So dream 2 will be using the same screen but different design (hopefully analog trigger)? And no fixed date yet?

[bronze yew]

I hope Dream 2 has a bigger screen

they had like a 4.5" 1080p panel iirc

[dry sierra]

It's SO MUCH better

[bronze yew]

I mean technically... the screen is the bigger selling point, the power difference is negligible

[dry sierra]

rp2s had huge bezels and a low resolution screen

the screen is one of the most important aspects of a handheld

[bronze yew]

yeah, while I love the RP2S, the screen just sucks

[dry sierra]

Like the rp2s had such chonky bezels that it could have easily fit a 1:1 4 inch screen

[bronze yew]

indeed, we kinda begged Retroid to do a 2S+ at the time

[dire ivy]

i mean, we propped up sinyorksu. i see no problem helping LUNA sell 100k units. fire up the internet love machine

[bronze yew]

this will sell 100.000 units by itself at that price point

[dire ivy]

you gotta show completely braindead people it works though

[bronze yew]

at $76 shipped it kills the entire budget market

[dire ivy]

people who daily shitpost "can the odin 2 play n64???"

[bronze yew]

well, obviously we need reviews and shit

they should send some units to Russ and Co. asap and that will fire up the hype machine

also Gamma, Gamma always needs an unit

[dire ivy]

maybe show more than the typical games. do some clips of Danganrampa and Criminal Girls or AIR.

[glad oriole]

Dream 1 is expected to be shipped in mid-November

Dream 2 is the original XU30H40, which has a Hall trigger

[sharp cloud]

Dream 2 un-determined date in 2026 then?

[solemn pumice]

Early 2026 he said

Probably Q1

Especially since they already got the mold (XU30 H40)

[glad oriole]

Dream 2 is scheduled to be released before March 2026

[sharp cloud]

Would personally prefer a larger screen for dream 2 as well, but if plans are already set in place or there are cost consideration then best to go ahead rather than have more delays.

[glad oriole]

After the release of Dream 2, all Android retro devices may see price reductions

[solemn pumice]

There is a 4,5“ 4:3 Screen XU wanted to use

[glad oriole]

Dream 2 mold has been developed

[tawny swan]

🤔

Dream 2 is D900 equivalent or 7300/7350

[wraith salmon]

I like 1 and 6

[tawny swan]

or still not confirmed

[glad oriole]

It won't be the D7350. People don't understand the performance of the D7350.

[solemn pumice]

1 to 6 got cancelled

[glad oriole]

Dream 2 will be released in a while, I hope everyone can help promote Dream 1

[tawny swan]

its close to 865

[glad oriole]

As long as Dream 1 succeeds, Dream 2 will come faster and better.

[tawny swan]

so, dream 2 is 7050, which is slightly overclocked D900

[glad oriole]

Actual machine test is slightly better than 865

[tawny swan]

in what case?

[plucky halo]

I'd ship dev units to every cfw dev if you want to reach that faster.

And every reviewer before release 🤣

[glad oriole]

PS2 GC 3DS

[tawny swan]

how (gpu weaker too)

I need an explanation of how this is possible to be better in emulation ...

[dire ivy]

it's almost an exact copy of the t618. we already know what it can do
2x A75 + 6X A55 w/1mb L3 cache
Mali G52mp2
2ghz top speed

it's basically an rg405m with a plastic body

library will cover mid-tier gamecube(double-dash, lockdown, goldeneye, pikmin, mario party...) and lower.
https://youtu.be/38fzdUexch4?t=177

[dire ivy]

mid-upper tier 3ds(DOA, SF4 Mobile, Asphalt, FF Explorers, DQ7&8...) and under is also on the list. I won't say much for vita or ps2.

the soc inherits no guesswork. the handheld just needs to show up and -not have build issues-

[earnest mountain]

I think Whatever was talking about Luna’s claim that the D7050(?) is better than the snapdragon 865 at PS2/GC/3DS

[dire ivy]

well. you just need a side by side of like... ps2 NFS:MW to tell that.

you'll see it all over the EE numbers

[tawny swan]

no

[dire ivy]

you can also just run... Genshin Impact on Ultra graphics:
runs at ~35fps on the d7050 and 60 on the sd865. I wouldn't say that's better, but it's not bad either

[tawny swan]

7350 and 865

[earnest mountain]

Oh, I misread then

[tawny swan]

Luna claim 7350 slightly better in emulation ps2/3ds/gc and it cant be real in any case

[dire ivy]

in 1x gameplay, they are exactly the same. in 2-3x res gameplay, the 7350 will start needing 0/x EE skip

[tawny swan]

yeah, they can be the same in up to 2x

single power matter

and it similar

[dire ivy]

they both play ps2 accurately at 1x with stock shaders/effects. that's really the only benchmark any of them need to hit.

[tawny swan]

or they just get order 7350 with unlocked tdp 🙂

10w => 15-20w (peak load)

[dire ivy]

you are an insane man who wants to see devices catch on fire

[tawny swan]

it will not fire bc of cooling

but it will definitely will be loud

[dire ivy]

okay buddy

[tawny swan]

it super unrealistic scenario, so yeah ... 7350 not better than 865 in any case

[bronze yew]

I mean, it really depends at what price point XU is going to hit with the Dream 2

if it's a $99 device with a 7050, who gives a shit, lets go

[tawny swan]

and 7350 for 130$

[solemn pumice]

D8300 for $250 🔥

[bronze yew]

too expensive

[fiery panther]

Can someone make a summary of all that has been said

[solemn pumice]

I was throwing shade at anbernic

[bronze yew]

all is cancelled, we are only getting Dream 1 ($66, G85, 4" 960x720p) and Dream 2 (?, ?, same screen iirc)

[fiery panther]

Hope they keep the turquoise color

[solemn pumice]

Same mold, so not unlikely the reuse the colors

[bronze yew]

Luna said they will do a shit ton of colors

[solemn pumice]

They confirmed D7XXX as a chip

[bronze yew]

basically color spam like R36S

[solemn pumice]

But that can probably change real fast depending on how the market moves

[bronze yew]

I mean, yeah, also A78 cores iirc

[solemn pumice]

Maybe Dream 1 won’t sell and they go bankrupt

Who knows

[bronze yew]

I have my doubts that this won't sell

[tawny swan]

trash

[solemn pumice]

I don’t mind that, the 3 base colors seem boring

[tawny swan]

she didnt say that

[solemn pumice]

It was a RG557 reference

[tawny swan]

ik

😉

[bronze yew]

sure the competition on the 4:3 market is going nuts right now, but this is basically a budget market killer at this price point

[solemn pumice]

What part did Luna not say

[tawny swan]

that they cancell all of devices, except 2

or i miss something

[sharp cloud]

Yes, easy to miss stuff when thread get spammed with other messages
#1392860755849646151 message

[tawny swan]

magicx or XU?

[bronze yew]

I still think it's stupid to just scrap everything, despite having molds already

[clever verge]

We need someone to be able to just Pin stuff

[solemn pumice]

XU, but magicx designs XU products, so they share the loss

[bronze yew]

my XU40 H44 doesn't has to be as competitively priced as the Dream2, just give it to me

[clever verge]

But that would also Imply people read the Pinsv

[tawny swan]

hmm

well, that good news

they wont waste time and money for unpopular options

[solemn pumice]

Tbf, there’s to many pins here.

There should be a big summary that should be pinned instead

[tawny swan]

and focus of main stream things and competition

[woven shell]

as long as we get that blue/orange colorway for dream1 i'm fine

[clever verge]

Calling yourself put i see

[bronze yew]

H40 H44 was literally the most voted option they had and a more budget Pocket ACE is certainly not something that would be unpopular

[tawny swan]

it will with that soc

market changes

globally

[solemn pumice]

They might bring it back.
But it all depends on Dream 1 sales.
They’ll go from there.

[sharp cloud]

Still more interested in the ayaneo air mini due to larger screen, analog triggers and more grip, but for only 66 USD might just get this as well for mainly GBA, since it is the cheapest device with > 3.5" for gba and with integer scaling as well.

Think the screen also does some system like Gameboy well.

[bronze yew]

720p is literally the next best option for integer scaling everything after 1440p

[sharp cloud]

Find it surprising that h50 was scrapped though, since it should be quite far ahead in development and is still competitive against mangmi air x (pocket air mini not a replacement/competitor with it for GBA, PSP, streaming, widescreen android games etc).

[bronze yew]

960p only works well on 4:3 systems really

[clever verge]

If you don't turn on Interger Scale for GBA. You will be fine

[bronze yew]

yeah that's pretty weird too, expected it to be launched soon to beat the Magmi out

[dire ivy]

• g85=t618
• LUNA needs help getting that sweet commission bux
• they said some things about the Dream 2 that were false and Whatever is mad about it

[fiery panther]

Hm

Well

[tawny swan]

nah, i asked if Dream 2 has 7350, and she says no

it will be 7050

and after 7350 vs 865 start conversation

[solemn pumice]

Or 7300 like the ktr1s

Actually

It should be a D7050

[tawny swan]

well, its too in different league actually

[solemn pumice]

Because of what Luna used to say back then

Wait

[tawny swan]

wonder how they all start rush when mangmi drop pocket max (865) for 150$

which can be beated only by 8300 for 200$

or even 8 gen 2, also G2 Gen2 can be

[sullen tide]

At this point we need to keep a list called XURetro Vaporyard tracking all the devices they said they would release and the dates they killed them.

[burnt current]

I appreciate Luna's bluntness

[solemn pumice]

They don’t wanna mismatch the 4“ 720p screen on the Dream 2 with an SoC that’s too powerful

[solemn pumice]

Well it’s just a single device for now, 2 if you count the dream 2

Good thing they wiped their entire roadmap

[frigid condor]

is that part of this device’s ad campaign?

[solemn pumice]

Mangmi needs to drop their Aur X first

[sullen tide]

Who's to say the Dream devices won't get wiped in a month and something else gets proposed. SMH

[sullen tide]

At this point I think that device is dead.

I feel bad for the YTers who spent time and made reviews for it.

Well atleast the got a free device FWIW

[tawny swan]

its not dead, bc it one 16x9

and its qualcomm

[sullen tide]

and 4gb ram

[tawny swan]

even with much weaker soc it still has potential in some snenarios

[bronze yew]

the one nice thing about Anbernic stuff is that it will actually release once we know about it

[solemn pumice]

#1392860755849646151 message

[sullen tide]

🤞

[solemn pumice]

Also ignore what I posted 2 messages below that

[burnt current]

No I will not ignore it

The steering wheel handheld deserves to exist

The community doesn't only deserve it, it needs it

[frigid condor]

Only if it has a mind control laser

[sharp cloud]

Info here don't get updated on the magicx server?

[bronze yew]

cuz @frigid condor is a lazy lil cat

[solemn pumice]

yeah Bobby has gotten complacent

The fed him too much lasagna

[frigid condor]

Hmm, I deleted my post because I guess the mods got involved with your post because handheld has to exist because it’s too low of a price to be believed

[frigid condor]

I’m just given management permissions now

[dry sierra]

XU really seem to know what they are doing

[bronze yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shake-gif-19831790

[frigid condor]

if I can get a webhook posted up I’ll be able to post announcements again

[jolly kettle]

I didn't post anything outside of comments

[pine current]

sounds like they should get some preorder stuff up and take my money then...

[frigid condor]

Did you get a reason for a mod removal?

[jolly kettle]

Mod removal?

Nothing happened right

[frigid condor]

I see a mod removal tag on it

[jolly kettle]

I didn't make any posts about the dream1

[frigid condor]

oh

Anyway this one got deleted

[jolly kettle]

Yea that's not me

[solemn pumice]

Yeah I think one particular comment caused it. Mentioning OP‘s account history and it seeming like an ad

[frigid condor]

god forbid a man post an ad on a low karma account

[left niche]

thats a lot of Right Mouse Buttons

[dry sierra]

why are people selling trimui smart pros for 89 dollars on facebook when the xu dream 1 is 66?

g85 is like 4 times more powerful right?

[frigid condor]

well for one, the dream was just announced

[dry sierra]

Yeah I know, I'm just thinking how pathetic it is to overcharge for the trimui smart pro like that

this shit is NOT worth 88 dollars

and it's used

[solemn pumice]

https://gogamegeek.com/products/crossmix-os-trimui-smart-pro-handheld-game-console-with-built-in-games

$100

[dry sierra]

Isn't it like 60 dollars on aliexpress?

[solemn pumice]

Probably even drops down to $40 on choice day

[dry sierra]

the trimui smart pro having a 16:9 screen might be one of the most useless things ever

it's only good for portmaster stuff

most of psp doesn't run, gba gets letterboxed anyway if you want crisp integerscaling

wonderswan might be the only system that benefits from it

even then

quite a small library

[dire ivy]

this is the xu project slate chat. #💈│trimui-chat is that way <<<

[sinful mortar]

People need to stop fearing black bars so much
Unless you know of another device capable of 4" 720p 4:3 at $40 on sale 🤣

[fiery panther]

Hope those bubbles are the screen protector and not the tempered glass

[tawny swan]

Pie soon

[fiery panther]

[tawny swan]

Dream 1 cost 66$, so they 200% will decrease price on Pie

[sinful mortar]

Yeah competition is getting good now

TSP's been out for a 2 years now tho

imo there hasnt been a budget device with a better screen than it for 4:3 content in that time.
Its just a fear of black bars that people dont notice

[zealous jolt]

wtf is pie lol

[sinful mortar]

a device that failed to launch so hard people forgot about it already

[zealous jolt]

Oh the helegaly one?

[sinful mortar]

yup

[zealous jolt]

Yea rip, that one looked promising

[sinful mortar]

and now its going to be dumpstered by whatever the fuck that magicX thing is called now dream1? and the aya mini pocket air

unless you specifically need a linux OS device out the gate I guess

[tawny swan]

Dream 1 and Dream 2 next

g85, D7050

[sinful mortar]

idk if helegaly has any other business backing but I dont see them surviving longterm after this device

[glad oriole]

Can someone share this poster on Reddit? Thanks

[tawny swan]

who knows ...

[dry sierra]

the black bars were never the problem

the device could have used a 4:3 screen and not much woukd have changed, although I'm happy we got a 720p screen instead of one of those 4 inch 480p ones

[sinful mortar]

given the price anbernic are charging for the 406 line it probably is just way more expensive to source

[static aurora]

Already shared it, thanks👍
https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/gv3yAGSOh1

[glad oriole]

Thanks

[static aurora]

You are welcome👍
Shared it in all retrogaming communities as well 🙂

[glad oriole]

Thanks

[fiery panther]

That thing is really tempting

66 dollars is a steal

[glad oriole]

Dream 1 will release more color renderings next week, including a transparent shell.

Real pictures will appear soon (this month) and test video will be released in October

[woven shell]

I am kindly hoping for a teal/orange colorway like was teased for one of the earlier XU devices

[fiery panther]

Belibolt

[fiery panther]

Keep those in the renders, the Tone35 was going to have those but they got scrapped and changed to generic colors

[woven shell]

perry the dream 1

[rare junco]

Yes, please! It might just tip me over if the transparent color is green or orange.

[fringe cedar]

Plain yellow shell with black hardware and I don't think I could resist. I'm a basic bitch.

[sudden narwhal]

Like this? 💯

[fringe cedar]

Like my beloved...

[bronze yew]

rgb30 my beloved
I'm still sad MagicX isn't making this one real

man, all the great handhelds with G85 they could just spam

this one for $69 would go so hard

[clever verge]

It's so close too

[bronze yew]

I mean, I will totally buy this, but I would also grab the 1:1 or 3:2 if they make it

this is such a nice design

[vagrant iris]

@glad oriole I hope the unnanounced transparent color is same magenta as on xu20

[sharp cloud]

strange for a low margin product to have too many colors though, would just increase cost and supply chain complexity?

[vagrant iris]

I think they are expecting it selling very well, I think rightfully so. Also they need to have a huge volume to have a nice profit with lower margin levels

[dire ivy]

how about.... skip the d7050 and put a g3x gen1 in the Dream2

you beat everyone on cost and performance in the bracket and also make statlords angry for the rest of the year, since they paid 2-3x already for the sameish result

[tawny swan]

nah, they need have balls to pick it

[jolly kettle]

888+... wouldn't be so sure about battery life

[dry sierra]

what's the screen on this one again? wasn't it 1080x720?

[bronze yew]

that render was with the 3.5" screen from the Pocket Micro/MagicX One 35, so 960x640

the XU40 H44 was with the 1080x720 screen and looks similar yes

[jolly kettle]

Looking forward to it! Currently racking up ideas for my take on a promo poster hahah

And for the Dream 2

[glad oriole]

Dream Series

Dream 1 G85
Runs perfectly on DC, PSP, and N64 SS (saturn.emu). Bonus: PS2 GameCube, 3DS, and PS Vita

Dream 2 D7XXX
PS2 God of War 2, 1.5x resolution, 60 fps
PS2: Over 60% of games at 2x resolution or higher, 60 fps
3DS: Over 70% of games at 2x resolution or higher, 60 fps
GameCube: Over 70% of games at 2x resolution or higher, 60 fps

[fiery panther]

How much is the Dream 2 going to be btw

100?

[glad oriole]

If you want to play the full PS2 at a budget price, please wait for Dream 2. Currently, there is no device that can run the full PS2 for less than $150, including the new models to be released in the next few months. Not to mention 1.5 times the speed of God of War 2, even 60 frames at the original resolution will not be stable.

[fiery panther]

I see

[glad oriole]

Incomplete PS2s have been released recently, using various methods to advertise full framerates for PS2 games.

PS2 God of War 2 Testing Standards
1x Resolution (60 fps) for beginners
1.5x Resolution (60 fps) for standard
2.5x Resolution (60 fps) for strong performance
3x Resolution (60 fps and above) for strong performance

God of War 2 Review: One of the best performing games

[glad oriole]

Many people talk about dream prices

[fiery panther]

Okay

Btw can you guys test Jak and Daxter precursor's Legacy?

That game is hard to run

[glad oriole]

Dream 1 first version transparent rendering

[frigid condor]

[vagrant iris]

I went from being interwsted in it to wanting to buy more colorways its beautiful device in transparent colors

So it shouldbe good for Dreamcast and n64 emulation, right?

[dry sierra]

What do we know about the dream 2 as of now?

[frigid condor]

it will be sponsored by cat insurance

[glad oriole]

The color scheme of Dream 1 has been adjusted. What do you think?

[rare junco]

Make that orange transparent and I'll take it.

[long sapphire]

will xu dream1 be delivered or xu retro will change course again?
previously, g85 suppose to be XU35 H50 which i prefer as 5 inches screen.

[glad oriole]

This is the alternate color

[vagrant iris]

O like the navy version but imo the sticks should be the same color as buttons or make buttons black

[obsidian kraken]

Give this burgundy buttons like the original Gameboy or the red/blue/yellow/green colors of the Super Famicom and it will sell more guaranteed.

[sullen tide]

Any Skittles Colors?

[vagrant iris]

I think its my third favourite after transparent colors and solid navy

[solemn pumice]

Very nice

[sharp cloud]

A lighter transparent green similar to Retroid pocket 2S green would be nice

[solemn pumice]

Will they be more saturated under natural sun light?
They look kinda pale in the renders.

[vagrant iris]

I think the colors are usually less saturated on renders

[solemn pumice]

I think having a a two-tone color look is better.
3 different colors is too much ( grey button, black sticks and the color of the shell)

[frigid condor]

i like these subdued colors more

[glad oriole]

We continue to work overtime to render different color schemes, let you see your opinions

[solemn pumice]

I need more saturation

[glad oriole]

The black shell matches the button color.

[solemn pumice]

This truly looks like a dream come true

[obsidian kraken]

The fact that this is supposed to be a retro enthusiast focused device, but the company doesn't have the foresight to colour it like the most obviously popular retro devices is a little alarming.
I mean, Gameboy, Super Famicom and NES and Famcom are the obvious default if you are trying to get sales.

[burnt current]

NO

THERE ARE ENOUGH FUCKING SUPER FAMICOM COLOURED DEVICES

I swear to God

[frigid condor]

but there's not enough snes colored devices

[burnt current]

SNES is definitely more novel

[solemn pumice]

I think you’re making a very good point

[obsidian kraken]

I'm not saying the only color, but it's pretty obvious that the retro colour schemes are popular and sell well.

[solemn pumice]

I think you’re making a very good point

[burnt current]

I hate that he is

[rare junco]

Can't express this enough 😂

[burnt current]

It's just that when a device gets a pure black or SFC colour scheme, that's 1-2 less colour options that could have been more interesting instead

[rare junco]

And please don't make another GameCube colored device either

[burnt current]

I guess pure black is basically mandatory

[burnt current]

Oh god

Absolutely this

[sinful mortar]

pure white no balls

so clean

bonus points for no legends below the buttons either

[burnt current]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-2698621052030991177

[sinful mortar]

if you're this into emulation handhelds and need to be told where the start and select buttons are

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[obsidian kraken]

Agreed, but I'm looking at this from a sales point of view, not the point of view of a person who already owns 20 retro handheld.

[burnt current]

I could definitely do without glyphs on a handheld in general

[sudden narwhal]

This is amazing! Maybe could be better with grey joystick instead of black

[burnt current]

Idk if it's just the rendering method but the transparent renders seem rather desaturated

[sharp cloud]

People have issues knowing where select/start is on the konkr

[burnt current]

Konkr does have a ton of buttons on the front

[sinful mortar]

android problems

[solemn pumice]

I was thinking the same

[sinful mortar]

menu/back are always going to be weird for face buttons

[sharp cloud]

Maybe the render is for when putting it against bright background/light source?

I remember the rp2s green looking somewhat different (when putting it down on a table, in the case, holding it up etc) in different photos/reviews

[rare junco]

The One35 had a very good opportunity to embrace wonderswan-ish color choices because of the obvious vertical mode gimmick, but they don't seem to want to do it. Maybe the Dream 1 can do it instead.

[sinful mortar]

they almost did for the zero28

too bad it never happened

[celest thorn]

hot af 🥵

esp translucent buttons

[rare junco]

Yeah. But reddit keeps on choosing dull and boring colors in the polls.

[celest thorn]

it might just be how render looks like, but someone should DEFO do this color scheme

[sinful mortar]

the glacier model did have transparent buttons so it could have gone either way

idk if they ever said what the deal was if it even got that far

its all lost to archive hell now

[bronze yew]

I really liked the old teal render better than these 😅

[bronze yew]

nah, that looks kinda off... just give me a fully black one

[jolly kettle]

Will this be a touchscreen device for sure?

@glad oriole also how large will the battery be?

My guess is 4500mah

[burnt current]

They might reuse the One 35 battery

Which is 4300mAh

[jolly kettle]

That's plausible

[glad oriole]

How to match the button color with black

[bronze yew]

btw, as this is basically the first sub $100 N64 capable device, we may as well lean into it and do these colors

[bronze yew]

I have no real issue with grey buttons on an black device

[glad oriole]

Battery about 4300 mAh

[jolly kettle]

Fair, same battery as One 35 so yea

[bronze yew]

generally speaking to keep cost down you guys probably don't want to make a load of different colored buttons, so going with a classic grey like the N64 d-pad had, should match well enough with whatever shell color choices you go for

[glad oriole]

Are the button letters white or colored?

[bronze yew]

I would go with white, colored will look off with grey buttons

also making the letters colored could clash with some of the shell colors you may want to do, rather keep it subtle so they fit with everything

basically this, maybe a slightly darker tone of grey and make the stick caps a dark-ish grey tone as well instead of black, so they will match, they will go fine with all colorways

[bronze yew]

honestly, with this device I kinda would try to drive the fact home that it can play N64 perfectly fine

so a black/grey-ish color as the safe option
and the clear-blue/grey-white-ish color and blue-yellow ones to draw attention would be the options I would go with

shame the Dreamcast has no nostalgic colors, doing grey with skittles would just look like a SNES

[glad oriole]

Dream 1 second edition color rendering

[jolly kettle]

Love it love it

I'd be honoured to make the official promo poster for the dream 2 :kekw:

[bronze yew]

hopefully with better renders, these still look a little raw

but I like the grey-tone of the buttons better than the previous ones

[jolly kettle]

Yes yes

I'll post my take on a Dream 1 poster when I get back

[burnt current]

why do they always get rid of the orange ;_;

[bronze yew]

tried to get the blue tone a bit more into the direction of the Pokémon N64, with a yellow back this would slap

[glad oriole]

Due to time constraints, software fast rendering was used, so there is no shadow texture effect.

[clever verge]

1. Are you going to be using all 3 transparent renderings you just showed off today?

2. Do you only have the Ability to have 3 non transparent colors as well due to time constraints?

[glad oriole]

The initial release is 3 opaque colors. If sales are good, 2-3 more transparent colors will be added.

[dreamy lark]

3/4 of the potential costumers are going to wait for the transparent colors imo

[bronze yew]

hmm, maybe the grey is a bit too light, but it probably would look good if properly rendered instead of me just painting a circle over it

with 3 opac colors my desire for a Pokémon colorway is off the table @glad oriole?

[burnt current]

I feel like grey caps must be off the table if they're prioritizing changing the button colours to match the sticks instead

God I'm fucking salty

Once again, orange gets revealed as a potential colour, then gets cancelled

In favour of Super Famicom this time

Fuck it all

[bronze yew]

I mean, those will be the same caps as on any other MagicX product

[burnt current]

And they've only featured black and white caps

Never grey

[bronze yew]

fair enough I guess

[burnt current]

The only company to use those caps other than MagicX have been Mangmi

Who also only used black and white caps

[glad oriole]

The actual grey hat doesn't look as refined as the black and white one

[bronze yew]

you have a picture of those?

[glad oriole]

I don't have the real thing now, but I saw it at MagicX before.

[burnt current]

I think the middle one would be much better as orange

Especially since you're after removing the colour from the opaque models

[burnt current]

I am rapidly approaching your location

This is your fault

[glad oriole]

MagicX has a new cap, the cap of Z28Z40 has been copied by others

[bronze yew]

I mean he ain't wrong, albeit I would really try to distinguish this from the usual GB/SNES colors, due to it being a more capable device I really would love them to take a shot at the dual color N64 models

[glad oriole]

MagicX suggested that we not make the orange color, as they said the orange color of Mini m is not selling well.

[burnt current]

It's not?

Fuck

I thought that was the most iconic colour for the Mini M

[bronze yew]

black and skittles obviously outsell some random orange

black is a safe color choice and skittles is nostalgia bait

we know this market works like that

[glad oriole]

Gray and black sell well on XU10, so Meng1 makes a gray and black or purple and black

[bronze yew]

I really would love it if you guys could do some renders of these colors

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black is safe, the other two are pure nostalgia bait

I bet they would sell

[bronze yew]

they white looks clean, but the others won't work in real life tbh

[rare junco]

This I would buy two

[spark cradle]

no teal?

[jolly kettle]

Osaka putting me out of a job grrr

[spark cradle]

teal was the main reason I had my eye on it

[jolly kettle]

Well

Not really

[bronze yew]

if you want to do it, you can make me a Pokémon and Japanese N64 color Dream 1

[glad oriole]

Purple-black
Gray-black
This one is better

[bronze yew]

honestly as this is called Dream 1, I'm kinda conflicted that we won't do a Dreamcast color, but if we put Xbox layout buttons into this which are skittled in the wrong way the SNES crowd will riot

I would rather have a more black-ish body with grey buttons tbh

the purple one looks too much like the rg353m

[burnt current]

I definitely prefer purple over grey

[bronze yew]

instead of purple I would really still like the dark-ish blue with yellow back of the Pikachu N64... but I don't know if doing two different colors for this won't drive up cost for them

arguably the Retroid Pocket Classic in the Pokémon colorway sold really well, so I would expect people to go to town here as well, if I can convince Luna

[bronze yew]

that looks kinda rad, but we are a lil restricted with the stick caps

instead of standard skittles, I would really just say fuck it and do a Dreamcast color... especially as we are stuck with 3 opac ones for the start...

Black, Dreamcast, Pokémon N64 🙏

Dream 1 without a Dreamcast color just is too much of a sin

[jolly kettle]

We've got gamecube coloured handhelds but no dreamcast coloured ones

So the dream1, a device perfectly capable of running the whole dreamcast library upscaled to screen resolution, having a dreamcast colour would be perfect

[jolly kettle]

Okok here's my take on a dream1 promo poster
UNOFFICIAL......for now

[bronze yew]

I refuse the platypus color

which is neat, but won't work with a color that doesn't exists

also pink is kind of a hard sell IMO

we don't even got Fuchsia on the rg34xx

[jolly kettle]

Now gib dream2 details

[bronze yew]

won't that be the same shell, with stacked shoulders and more power?

[jolly kettle]

Would also be ideal to have renders with transparent bg

The white lines around the render in the poster are residue from GIMP magicwand

[jolly kettle]

🤔

[sinful mortar]

official enough

[stark stirrup]

I use jak3 as my personal assessment of if it can fully run ps2

[zealous jolt]

is this ai? it looks like it but on the other hand it kinda doesn't. not like that normal ai slop where it's immediately obvious from the button markings or whatever

[bronze yew]

it's AI

[bronze yew]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-the-platypus-phineas-and-ferb-pnf-dr-doofenshmirtz-perry-gif-26543370

[obsidian kraken]

@jolly kettle did all the work.

[jolly kettle]

Perry the platypus

[sinful mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-got-cha-caught-ya-poke-poke-poke-gif-13613430

not sure if bajablast or leprechaun colored

[clever verge]

XU Retro, now endorsed by Mt Dew

[zealous jolt]

oooo the buttons on the top left one look nice

[bronze yew]

black, dall-e's take on the Pokémon N64, which is a bit wonky and I had to swap out the d-pad with paint, because the fucking AI made it yellow and lastly Dreamcast, which this damn AI butchered the most

tho I really think the Dream 1 deserves a Dreamcast colorway

[tawny swan]

7050 after basic tweaks

[jolly kettle]

Truth

But

It'll be abit better than a 7050

[tawny swan]

for 100-120$?

[jolly kettle]

I'm guessing it'll be the 7300

[tawny swan]

its different league

[bronze yew]

7050 for $99 would be amazing tho

[jolly kettle]

Truthnuke

Full GameCube and majority of PS2 for $100 would fly off the shelves

[tawny swan]

7050 can full ps2, but for heaviest titles u should use hacks and native res

[clever verge]

Blame the Boring ass people who only buy Black & White & Grey units every single time.......

DMG/SNES/SFC Grey over & over again

[bronze yew]

that's why I want black, Pokémon N64 and Dreamcast

[clever verge]

Dreamcast/SFC....Same thing

[bronze yew]

nah, the colors on the skittles are different

[clever verge]

Barely.....

[bronze yew]

honestly, that would be the colorway I would buy instantly, but only opac for the start

fuck clurple, this ain't a gameboy

[clever verge]

I love colors, I only got the Transparent Black option for the G350 because Teal was a 35xx Pro exclusive color

Otherwise, I love my devices with all the fun colors. Red, Yellow, Purple, Blue, etc. I miss N64 Green

[bronze yew]

that's why I'm suggesting nostalgia bait which underlines the capabilities of the chipset

[clever verge]

Give me my Transparent N64 Green like the Rp2S

MuOS Corey loves his

[bronze yew]

black - safe color
Dreamcast - nostalgia bait that plays into the name of the device
Pokémon N64 - nostalgia bait that will make people go and customize their device with stickers and stick caps
the two color ice blue N64 - nostalgia bait and the most iconic of the transparent N64 colors, which should be especially effective on the Asian market

and you guys can't deny that people did go nuts about the Pokémon RP Classic

this won't have one

I don't dislike glass fronts, but they make no sense on cheaper devices and the most on OLED... and even there manufacturers fumble it by not doing all of the colors with black glass

[clever verge]

Etsy

[bronze yew]

Ayaneos KONKR Dragon Cheese did it right and that's not even OLED, meanwhile AYN goes and does an extra stinky purple bottom glass on the THOR

[clever verge]

Could always multiple level spray piant them. But that is days of work

[fringe cedar]

Crazy because it's such a rancid colourway. Hated it in 2000 and hate it now.

[bronze yew]

I will put some stick caps on my Pokémon Dream 1 and call it a day

[fringe cedar]

As a Brit this is basically porn for me 😈

[languid dagger]

What's the screen size of Dream 1?

[fiery panther]

Wait is that color real?

[tawny swan]

4

[languid dagger]

If only it were 5 or 5.5😣

[tawny swan]

its remade H40

[storm warren]

Love it, yes please

[tawny swan]

not H50, its canclelled

[bronze yew]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

[fiery panther]

Ah

[bronze yew]

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[bronze yew]

Don paying for the extra premium AI

where is my blue-yellow Pokémon one @obsidian kraken

[fringe cedar]

Boooooooooriiiiiiing

[languid dagger]

So the 5" screen is cancelled?😲

[tawny swan]

if dream 2 not 5, yes

[languid dagger]

Well shit... That was the handheld I was going to buy

😅

[fiery panther]

Don't trust any announcements until the shit is on stores.

[brisk gulch]

Gotta make at least 3 color variants: one that is all black, one that is a light color scheme/SFC/DMG/all white and then one very unique color that pops

[bronze yew]

Dream 2 is probably pretty much the same device as Dream 1, 4" 960x720p, just analogue triggers and more juice to run GCN and a good chunk of PS2

[bronze yew]

Black, Dreamcast, Pokémon N64

for the Dream 2 we kinda need the all black device to have the face button lettering in the PlayStation color

then we obviously need an Indigo device and for the 3rd one I would go Silver

silver and black kinda work for both systems anyway, as far as transparent colors go I only recall a dark clear blue 🤔

why does AI insists on skittles

[fringe cedar]

@obsidian kraken

You gave me the Heinz Beanz Dream. Now give me the DMG yellow with all black hardware.

[fiery panther]

Skittles don't fit this

What about yellow face buttons?

[bronze yew]

I mean, we could go with yellow face buttons, but I would stick with grey to not have too many colors for parts

the two-color shell is really the only thing we need in the first place IMO

especially as this isn't a 6-button device

black with grey buttons
blue-yellow with grey buttons
white with the same grey buttons, just extra face buttons in Dreamcast layout and color

too keep it simple and cost down

basically making the shell color the only thing that will be swapped (aside from the Dreamcast face buttons) between the different color units

d-pad, shoulders, stick caps, etc. all grey

[solemn pumice]

This one‘s pretty. Looks like the rg353m

[tawny swan]

when dream 2 show

[bronze yew]

yeah, totally sold on this, obviously the blue should be a bit darker and XU won't include such stick caps, but I want it

now we need a Dreamcast model next

[languid dagger]

Dream 2 with 5.5" screen!🙏🏻🙏🏻

[bronze yew]

Dream 2 will basically be the same device as the Dream 1, just with more power

[tawny swan]

who say that?

[bronze yew]

Luna

[tawny swan]

where

[bronze yew]

#1392860755849646151 message

it's the same design as the Dream 1, just with stacked shoulders and more juice

[tawny swan]

hm

[fathom swallow]

Damn. Wait for 2 I guess?

[tawny swan]

yh

[bronze yew]

I mean, technically yes, but if we don't buy Dream 1 XU may be done for

[tawny swan]

idk, 15$ not worth to economy and get dream1 instead air mini imo

if u dont need pocket format (small)

[bronze yew]

~$25 rather, shipping for Air Mini is double of that for the Dream 1

[tawny swan]

i mean 2gb variant + 20 shipping vs dream1 with 10 shipping

[bronze yew]

yeah fair enough I guess, can't say I'm pumped about the 2gb variant, they already showed some games that wouldn't run on that

[tawny swan]

where?

i dont know any ps2/gc game which need more than 2gb

[bronze yew]

they tested a bunch of games and while most of them are labeled as "2gb OK" some are not

[tawny swan]

o_O

i watch full stream, huh

[solemn pumice]

All I’ve seen

[bronze yew]

yeah, it's Saturn stuff

[tawny swan]

-_-

rofl that it ask 3gb ...

[bronze yew]

gotta play my Super Robot Wars F: Final Chapter dude

[tawny swan]

emu moment probably

[sharp cloud]

Which emulator was they using for Saturn?

[tawny swan]

i got something 😄 watch Air Mini channel

[solemn pumice]

Saturn.emu based on mednafen, I think

[fiery panther]

Is that better than RetroArch?

And better than Yaba Sanshiro?

[solemn pumice]

I just tried to find a source and realized I couldn’t.
Because I apparently got it mixed up with XURetro

[solemn pumice]

You know, that’s a good question.
I haven’t seen any reviewers do an actual comparison between the two.

[fiery panther]

Someone should test them on a console with similar specs

[tawny swan]

no

[tawny swan]

no

[fiery panther]

Elaborate

[tawny swan]

they are better

[solemn pumice]

Better in what?
Performance, accuracy or features?
Or all three?

Share your expertise with us

[bronze yew]

btw that being said, we are comparing EB to a clean $66 forever, the Air Mini certainly has more juice, but is $89-99 retail and knowing AYA it will stay there at least until the Dream Two comes along and knocks them down a peg with a D7050 for $99

[tawny swan]

accuracy and performance

features maybe, but i dont care in that

[solemn pumice]

same

[solemn pumice]

good to know, curious why xu didn’t use YS then

[tawny swan]

not noob friendly

[bronze yew]

honestly if they do Black and Blue-Yellow like I want, I gotta buy two XU Retro Dream One, easy EDC device

[sharp cloud]

Seems less heavy than the beetle core in RetroArch, so probably the next to try when beetle don't works well before trying Yaba, if not going for higher res rendering.

https://youtu.be/HQOBdhnnQkM?t=15m42s

[tawny swan]

beetle is the most demanding

x2 or like that vs others

[woven shell]

Bunch of morons drooling over computer generated imagery like sheep in a pen

[clever verge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-eating-rock-gif-13935567355130525471

[fringe cedar]

Acting like you wouldn't buy the HeinzBeanz Dream 1

[sinful mortar]

Miyoo P60 releases tomorrow in beanz colorway you saying you wouldnt buy it

[dire ivy]

@glad oriole how is the screenmapping. is it SIMPLE?

if it isn't "open, move button assignments around, close, then play," this will be -bad- for android native games

THe one thing about retroid/gpd/powkiddy is they kind of share the same vision for screenmapping. I miss my GPD XP Plus and x18s because it was really easy to do playstore stuff on those devices.

[rare junco]

Tbh 3+32 is gonna be crap for native Android games.

[sinful mortar]

yeah probably but also this is retro handhelds not optimized android gaming discord

[glad oriole]

Same experience

[plucky halo]

if you want native android use a phone? 🤣

[glad oriole]

This week, several bloggers have released review videos about the XU20, and the product is currently on a limited-time promotion.

[rare junco]

What do you mean same experience? Like same as the XU20 and the magicX devices released so far? Because that would mean no screen mapping.

[frigid condor]

I’m pretty sure he means it’s the same as the key mappers PsiDozer mentioned

[rare junco]

Well if they are really going to have a screen mapper this time it would be great. For the A133 devices and the Dream 1 it's fine without, since people probably won't want to do much native Android gaming on it anyway. But it would be good to have something going forward, for the D7xxx devices.

[frigid condor]

pretty sure the g85 devices will have it

[rare junco]

Here's hoping. And on that note, I also hope they won't have issues getting OTA firmware updates and Play store working on G85 and their future devices.

[glad oriole]

A133P does not support key mapping, G85 does, and the experience is no worse than RP

[glad oriole]

Please help us share the XU20 promotional poster on Reddit. Thank you!

[static aurora]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/mTIWDbYOnG

[bronze yew]

A XU20 promotion would make more sense when Dream One is going on sale, I could grab both at once

[vagrant iris]

I wanted to say the same thing 😄

[fringe cedar]

What is it about this scene that breeds rampant consumerism lol

If you actually want the Dream 1 why would you also buy the XU20 at the same time?

Genuine question 👀

[tawny swan]

no

3gb enough even for genshin

anything less demanding will be fine

[rare junco]

Well I mean, yeah, obviously there are games that will run fine.

But 3GB ram is not generally what people would consider good for native Android gaming.

Not to mention 32GB of storage will get filled up pretty damn quick with more recent games.

[vagrant iris]

I think XU20 could be a very nice EDC, while doing errands etc.

But I'm more excited about ZU's Dream

[fringe cedar]

I guess there's just levels to it that I am not aspiring to or complicit in...

Off the top of my head I can't think of any other market where people are so willing to just drop money on something on a whim or because of FOMO or that it "looks nice" other than fast fashion.

It's not my business how other people spend their money, I just don't understand it personally haha

I bought a single device (RGB30) like a year and a half ago and have just been using and enjoying it. I have looked at devices, watched reviews, followed reveals/announcements etc the whole time but I have never once thought "I'll buy that, and while I'm at it I'll pick that other one up just because it's on offer" or "Might get that too because it could have a use"

Like... Surely you aren't actually playing that many games or enjoying your handhelds in-between juggling all these niche use cases and set-up.

Anyways, I'm just rambling into the void.

[frigid condor]

Does the Dream 1 fit in your mouth?

no!

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-bleh-cat-spinning-cat-bleeeh-gif-27228826

[bronze yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shake-gif-19831790

[fringe cedar]

Challenge accepted

[sinful mortar]

[errant mauve]

That's fair, and believe me now that it's all said and done i wish i had a lot less of em

There is something alluring to trying to find that perfect one

But it's not super worth it

2 or 3 for actual use, mayyyyybe keeping a few around for sentimental reasons but i really need to get rid of the rest of mine

[burnt current]

I wonder if you've ever played Postal 2

[livid herald]

True; I'm just hoping to stick to 1-2 devices if I ever get into this

One less powerful Linux one for 2D consoles (i.e Trimui Brick), one more powerful Android one for 3D consoles?

[regal dagger]

Genshin on a g85 starts at like 21-26 fps on the lowest settings and only gets worse. Also it won't fit in 32gb. Not playable at all imo.

[tawny swan]

oops nvm

g85 cant run genshin on stock resulution yes

with root u can lower it

[regal dagger]

I see, still wouldn't consider genshin to be enjoyable on it

Even on 8 ram

[tawny swan]

ram doesnt matter

g90t enough to play genshin 30+ fps

[regal dagger]

At lowest settings maybe yes

[tawny swan]

yh

its already sick for that price

[regal dagger]

But at that point wouldn't it be better to stream it?

It's gonna heat as a fireplace and drain the battery like crazy and take 25 gigs of internal memory

[tawny swan]

ew

[tawny swan]

it wont heat

cooling help allot

it can hold max performance infinity

[regal dagger]

I'd still prefer to play it on my phone

[tawny swan]

:/

which is insta start heating+throttling+down brightness nah

[regal dagger]

Idk so many limitations, low graphics, 30 fps... Really I'd Just stick to the retro stuff on a g90t

[tawny swan]

also after that touch screen will feels different

sample rate goes down

[regal dagger]

I got a thermoelectric cooler from ali for just 8 euros, it's amazing

[tawny swan]

alr, external cooler ... it fix heat problem, but wont add comfort

[regal dagger]

Not really powerful but keeps the temps at the low 30s

Idle goes below 20 but i only use it for gaming and fast charging

[tawny swan]

before i was the same guy, phone + cooler + telescopic gamepad better than handheld 😄

but for real its not even close, if u wont waste allot time to root, configurate soc, tuning hardware and other tweaks

[regal dagger]

Yeah I'm rooted

(And Google hates me)

[tawny swan]

done resident evil on egg ns some years ago on my Poco F2 with all of tweaks (overclock ofc)

[regal dagger]

Now things are way better

[tawny swan]

it was decent experience even vs way less powerful handheld

[tawny swan]

emulators better, but handheld comfort build different

[woven shell]

who would consider genshin to be enjoyable in general?

[regal dagger]

I mean, it's a genuinely good looking and fun free game if you ignore the toxic part of the community (which is a really easy thing to do considering it's mostly single player)

Like, I've been a mobile only player for a while and getting such a beautiful and actually really open world game for free on mobile back then was insane.

Also this is quite a bit OT at this point

[jolly kettle]

Truthnuke

[fringe cedar]

@glad oriole to get back on topic - can you please confirm or deny if there will be a Dream 1 in this colourway... 🙏🍌 🧀

[burnt current]

Deny

The 3 initial colours already got confirmed

If it does well, the remaining 3 will be transparent

[fringe cedar]

Cries in Yellow

[sinful mortar]

its ok it almost never turns out the way you think it does

unless you wanted 9to5 smoker or watered down mustard color

[clever verge]

"Ball Park" Yellow or "20 Years a Smoker"/"Dehydrated Piss" Yellow

Thanks you Australia for the Names for the Miyoo Flip yellow

[fringe cedar]

PowKiddy got the yellow mix on lock if you ask me 🤷‍♂️

[sinful mortar]

looks at the GB you posted before

they look nothing alike

[bronze yew]

which ones do we get?

[fringe cedar]

The GameBoy is cleared filtered into oblivion though

[sinful mortar]

then why did you post it as your "dream" colorway

[clever verge]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-food-gif-5113834195819307982

[sinful mortar]

kits right pk got that slightly off velveta look

like its been left out in the sun for the day

[clever verge]

PK got it looking like Crayola

[sinful mortar]

you know what it is pretty close to velveta

you should just dunk your handhelds in it cheap fix

[fringe cedar]

Because everyone knows what the classic yellow GameBoy looks like.

Sadly my childhood DMG has faded with time... Would like to restore her one day. I actually really like the PK yellow though personally 😎

Definitely more of an orange tint though I'll give you that

Just shows how the background and lighting can fuck up colour perceptions though.

The teal RP Classic colour looks slightly different in almost every photo I've seen of it 🙃

[bronze yew]

the DMG wasn't that iconic in yellow, the Pocket was the one that spread most in cheese

[fringe cedar]

Agreed

[bronze yew]

also I don't want a yellow one, this ain't a vertical, give me Blue-Yellow akin to the Pokémon N64

[fringe cedar]

The PK yellow is actually really close to the Pocket Yellow in person

[languid dagger]

Have they added controller support for Android yet on that game?

[fathom swallow]

I always liked the mm v4 yellow

[sinful mortar]

actually yeah they did

fucking 3 years too late but they did it

*4 years

[fringe cedar]

Yeah that's real nice 👌

[clever verge]

Why couldn't Miyoo just send us the Yellow for the Flip

[fathom swallow]

I have no clue man. They really dropped the ball there

[languid dagger]

Those game developers are fucking morons...4 years later😂🤦‍♂️

[sinful mortar]

im not sure if stupid or apple had some shitty contract in place

because iOS had controller support the entire time? or at least by year 1

I wouldnt put it past them to pay money to gimp one of the highest spendy/most popular mobile games on competitors phones

seems like something they'd do

[regal dagger]

Yes finally, playstation and Xbox compatible controller work!!

[regal dagger]

Yeah, same reason the game is still capped at 60 fps even on PC, apple has a contract to have the exclusive for iPhones and iPads

[burnt current]

https://youtube.com/shorts/l9m-rc5f6wo?si=chU8IGy96js-itc6

[glad oriole]

Does saturn.emu primarily use the CPU or GPU for processing?

[clever verge]

Cpu

Saturn is just demanding for no reason Like that. It's frustrating

[drowsy bison]

I had to think about it for a bit. CPU because it has to translate the Saturn's instruction set

Also it needs higher single CPU power rather than parallel

[glad oriole]

Can the A76 device run Saturn.emu completely?

[dire ivy]

what do you mean 'completely'? every frame at the original res, 60fps, no sound issues?

[glad oriole]

Yes

[tawny swan]

cpu ofc

[dire ivy]

using Kronos, you can get perfect saturn in win10 on i5 6th gen and up. win600 for instance can do perfect saturn since it's 8th gen equivalent

[glad oriole]

SS used the "Dragon 1" as their testing standard, and the results for the A78 2.0 were excellent. Now they want to know how the A76 performs.

[dire ivy]

for ARM???

you need something stronger than t820... like dimensity 1200 or higher

[tawny swan]

wait what

[tawny swan]

beetle?

[glad oriole]

Yes

[tawny swan]

a76 cant

[glad oriole]

Can the T820 run Beetle smoothly?

[tawny swan]

even G1 cant heaviest titles

cpu bound

[glad oriole]

No wonder MagicX insisted on using the A78 chip in the Retro45 device.

[tawny swan]

make sense if they want ultimate affordable saturn compatible device ...

beetle.core

[dire ivy]

no. saturn requires almost complete bruteforcing the 8 cpu architecture

[tawny swan]

but i think it needs 1100

[dire ivy]

if it was all A7x cores, yes, but those A5x cores ruin it. Also RISC>ARM is slower than RISC>X86

[drowsy bison]

What emulator is saturn.emu comparable to, YS or Beetle or something else

[dire ivy]

saturn.emu is more like ys. it cuts corners and forwards operations to a separate gpu interpreter instead of doing it like a bunch of math coprocessors

[tawny swan]

Yaba

[dire ivy]

you kind of have to take your time and go through the library to see what works with YS and saturn.emu, rather than count on stranger takes though.

a person with a saturn will almost always hate ys gameplay, controller latency, etc.

[tawny swan]

but most of them use it

bc beetle extremaly demanding

but awesome

[dire ivy]

best way to play saturn? on a laptop running windows or linux. same for xbox

[drowsy bison]

Because it's what most processors can afford, over super accurate emulation, just expanding the thought process on why they use YS and similar

[tawny swan]

yh

[glad oriole]

The Retro45 device lacks a right-side joystick, so using a high-performance A78 processor is somewhat wasteful; they believe that the Beetle system's overall design is more suitable for this device.

[dire ivy]

it depends man. are you designing something JUST for saturn?

[tawny swan]

say them that its not 100% compatible with beetle, not enough power

[dire ivy]

the powkiddy A20 which i used to own was built for saturn with the six facebutton layout, and that was tolerable with the amlogic s905d3 inside

[drowsy bison]

Good enough for YS/saturn emu, but that's a low bar

[tawny swan]

focusing on one system eh its dumb idea

[tawny swan]

it can run beetle, but not game like rangers

most demanding stuff i mean

[dire ivy]

anbernic did that with the arc and it was a very popular unit

[tawny swan]

this shit melt G1 cpu insta

[tawny swan]

exception ig

[glad oriole]

MagicX's Retro45 game console already uses the very suitable A78Sco chip. Our XU team initially planned to develop a device using their A76 chip to see if it could fully emulate the functionality of the Beetle game console.

[drowsy bison]

I had to remind myself, this is the six button device doubling for N64 and Saturn (Retro45)

[tawny swan]

fully emulate that mean any game no problems, so its impossible even for a78

[glad oriole]

SS uses the "Flydragon 1" as its testing standard.

[tawny swan]

dont know how demanding it is

[drowsy bison]

Saturn.emu should run alright, guessing without hardware in front of me, referring to your original question

[glad oriole]

An emulator cannot guarantee 100% compatibility with all games.

[tawny swan]

100% i say about all supported games

beetle if i remember right can anything run (never see list, but also never hear it unsoport something)

[tawny swan]

fine on a527 😄

perfect on G99 and even T618

@dire ivy for beetle.core anyone do list with supported/unsupported games?

WTF (7050)

alr, im take my words back ... it probably can run any beetle game

single should be enough

100 extra points over pocket classic

almost D1100 single power 😮

now i want to see how it can run rangers ... time to hunt guy with 7050 any

1100 almost run amok, it probably +- the same demanding game as burning rangers (if im right, confirm someone)

[rare junco]

So is it basically fixed in stone that the Dream 1 will launch with only opaque colors and the transparent colors will only come if the sales are good?

[sullen tide]

Mangmi just pushed their release to mid October

Mid October is going to be crazy with 5 release competing for my wallet.

Everybody's trying to hit that end of year Sales targets and get their Christmas bonuses

[rare junco]

If XU isn't going to do transparent colors at launch I think I'll just buy the Air X instead

[sullen tide]

On my radar,

Helegaly Action Pi + Ayaneo Pocket Air Mini + XURetro Dream 1 + MagicX One35 + Mangmi Air X

Oh the choices!

I might have to mortgage 2 of my houses /s

[rare junco]

The action pi is dead lol

[sullen tide]

I was able to snag one though. It's pretty good IMO and it's very similar and a nice replacement for the Trimui Brick in terms of feel.

[drowsy bison]

Dream 1 definitely caught my attention

[rare junco]

I'll believe it when it's actually out and they actually have stock to ship

[sullen tide]

There were some resellers on TikTok for $56 last month

[sullen tide]

I agree. Their current commitment is mid October.

[frigid condor]

You have more than two houses?

[sullen tide]

/s sarcastictic tone

[frigid condor]

You could’ve given one to the Retroid CEO and it would be a less risky mortgage screen you know

[sullen tide]

lol

[frigid condor]

btw I want a mortgage screen gimme

[fathom swallow]

I'm leaning heavily towards One35 but the dream 1 is interesting

[spark cradle]

@shadow garnet no transparent colours for the Dream 1?

[bronze yew]

Wrong Luna

[spark cradle]

oh shit sorry

@glad oriole

[glad oriole]

For devices with a 16:9 screen, which of the following two options do you prefer?

[placid cosmos]

is one of them sliders and the other recessed sticks?

[drowsy bison]

start and select positions, inline vs stacked triggers, PSP vs traditional analog sticks, and I'm guessing device thickness are all different?

[glad oriole]

I'm referring to the overall design, excluding the joystick and shoulder buttons.

[spark cradle]

1 for me

the oval shape is very nostalgic

[solemn pumice]

I guess rounded of/ curved sides as well

Kinda like a PSP or TSP

[placid cosmos]

dont care about that shape on the sides lol, it doesnt affect anything really

[spark cradle]

let us nerd out

[solemn pumice]

I think mentioning the screen size is very important.

Variation 1 works best with a smaller 5-Inch screen for example.

[glad oriole]

Figure 1 shows a 4.1-inch screen.
Figure 2 shows a 5-inch screen.

[placid cosmos]

useful information

[solemn pumice]

Well well well, that changes things 😆

[rare junco]

Figure 1 is what the One41 would have looked like, right?

[vagrant iris]

It is super popular here, but I think its one of their worst sellers ever 😄

[drowsy bison]

something similar to a PSP in size and screen size that could actually do PSP

[vagrant iris]

yeah, number 1 is definetly what looks better for me, excluding sliders of course;)

[jolly kettle]

I don't think you can run Kronos on arm

[bronze yew]

One41 was kinda more interesting tbh, something slim you could easily pocket that does PSP, a 5" budget 16:9 is just ehhh, I have fancier shit for that

Like a Odin 2 Mini, that's 5"

[jolly kettle]

Panzer Dragoon

[dire ivy]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1227441/RetroArch__Kronos/
there's also a github, so it can be compiled for arm if needed:
https://github.com/FCare/Kronos

[jolly kettle]

https://github.com/FCare/Kronos?tab=readme-ov-file#raspberry-pi-4-raspberian-os

Don't count on it

Hopefully ymir implements a vulkan renderer soon

[dire ivy]

the compatibility list is nice. some games like Disc World won't open, but they have psx versions anyways

i don't think anyone cares about valora golf, or true pinball, or the other japanese only games that don't work

i almost want to know if the 32-bit version will run in gamehub or winlator since it uses gles2 > opengl

[glad oriole]

There will be two 16:9 device designs for viewing and voting later.

A super typhoon has made landfall in Guangdong, China. Today I'm taking a break from work at the company. In a few hours, we'll be battling a typhoon with a force of over 12.

[sullen tide]

Stay safe!

[jolly kettle]

Will this be for the dream2?

[sharp cloud]

#1392860755849646151 message

[jolly kettle]

Ahhh okok

[bronze yew]

16:9 is the least interesting aspect ratio to me, the big high power stuff already is 16:9, I don't need a budget-y device with that at all

Where is my 3:2 goodness

Also Dream 2 Info drop

[stark stirrup]

Sending favorable positive thoughts your way for least damage and impact

[frigid condor]

bring a cat with you

it will bring you good luck

[tawny swan]

still

[clever verge]

Stay Safe, Be well, Positive Thoughts, Take @frigid condor with you for Good Luck!

[bronze yew]

Sacrifice Bobby to the typhoon

[clever verge]

https://tenor.com/view/boredmemes-cultonape-notacult-cult-cult-on-ape-gif-12468190758232862766

[glad oriole]

16:9 screen, 5 inches. Available in two designs. Which one do you prefer?

[bronze yew]

Why would you guys vote for the even boxier design that won't rest nicely in your palm

[rare junco]

1 looks damn clean

Man, if this were the form factor for the Dream 1 it would be an easy choice over the Mangmi Air X.

[bronze yew]

This is literally the Dream One with a 5" 16:9 screen

They could probably churn it out a month later for pretty much the same price if they want to

[clever verge]

Yes, exactly. And that I'd what I was personally wanting b4 it got canceled

[burnt current]

Potential hot take
At this level of power, you're basically making a device that's perfect for PSP, and in that case I think the left stick would be better up top

[tawny swan]

isnt 16x9 cancelled wtf

it alive again?

[clever verge]

D Pad top, leave the Stick top for those over powered Android devices focused on Ps2 & Higher

[burnt current]

Yeah yeah I know PSP had a slider on the bottom but idk if anyone actually liked that

[bronze yew]

PSP had d-pad on top and you played most games with that

[burnt current]

What?

No

I own a PSP Go and I've never encountered a game that mainly uses the D-pad

[clever verge]

Only games that made you try like that with both D Pad & Stick were Monster Hunter games. Good old Crab Grip

[bronze yew]

You only played God of War?

[lilac wigeon]

Sticks on bottom PS arrangement is better as long as they're sufficiently inset.

[burnt current]

Crisis Core, P3P, Birth By Sleep, Monster Hunter, Metal Gear Solid

Plenty of games that primarily used the slider

[bronze yew]

I mean, I'm cool with XU doing a 16:9 Dream 1, as long as we get the Dream 2 early next year

[clever verge]

Let the 3d printers handle the Grips to better get the Stick where you want it

D Pad top for the absolute majority of the Retro games you wanna enjoy

Anything under PsP/N64/DC

[bronze yew]

A little bit more inset would probably help, this looks a bit to straight under the primary inputs

i think the RP4 had more inset?

[burnt current]

But the screen is 16:9...
Stick on bottom is great for 4:3, but with 16:9, you're getting that specifically for those midrange systems

[clever verge]

Depends on chip used

[bronze yew]

Yeah, looks just a little bit further inset IMO

I absolutely don't want to see any sricks on top as long as this ain't running a 8g2 at the very least

[clever verge]

You can't base Screen Ratio on Stick Placement. It's all about your target Audience

[burnt current]

I've heard the comfiest Retroid device is actually RP Mini

[clever verge]

Retroid is D Pad Top and they are using a SD 865, arguably that device "should" have had Stick top. Same for Mini/V2

[jolly kettle]

Perry the platypus!

[burnt current]

The difference in stick placement makes a huge difference

[lilac wigeon]

I keep having to restrain myself from getting one. I want something flatter with 120Hz.

[burnt current]

RG477M not your cup of tea?

Or is it too big

[clever verge]

It's the Inset Stick Placement. Stick top or bottom is less Relevant than you think. And Flat Backs make 3d Printing super easy

[lilac wigeon]

Too big for the pocket

[clever verge]

• too big
• too expensive
• not a Snap Dragon
• Screen is not Oled for that Price

It's in a super weird spot that 477m

[lilac wigeon]

Anbernic should have switched the triggers between 477m and 476h.

They always do that to get you to buy more.

[bronze yew]

we gotta do this and now ya all shut up, now it's tall enough to comfortably shift your hand down to the sticks

[burnt current]

Now you're reminding me of MCON's weird handle-wing-things

[bronze yew]

I mean honestly with a 5" screen there is no way to make it extremely comfortable, if the device isn't taller than the screen

I love the Powkiddy x28 ergo and hate that of the Retroid Pocket 5

[lilac wigeon]

Round sides like the PSP or TSP work pretty well, not sure why that design isn't more popular.

[rare junco]

I think it makes it look like a cheap PSP knockoff tbh.

[glad oriole]

4:3+16:9 dream combination

[lilac wigeon]

Sticks on the 4:3 should be inset as much as possible.

[clever verge]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-will-ferrell-beautiful-its-beautiful-wonderful-gif-3547414

[tawny swan]

so dream 2 can be 16x9 now? or its dream 3

[clever verge]

Fuck the Haters, I'm here for this. Give us the best of both worlds. And hopefully 1 of the CFW teams can get us some Linux on here for Port Master support

[tawny swan]

confused

[rare junco]

Um...is clear black + orange buttons gonna be a thing for the Dream 1?

[glad oriole]

If it is Dream 2, there must be a trigger.

[tawny swan]

so its 3

[rare junco]

So it's gonna be dream 1.5?

[tawny swan]

😄

2.5 ig if its 7050 too

[glad oriole]

Dream 1 can also be released in 2 devices

[tawny swan]

wtf

[rare junco]

Now you have my attention

[tawny swan]

Dream1c (compact)
Dream1w (Wide)
Like that?

[rare junco]

16:9 dream 1 with exactly that colorway

[jolly kettle]

Wonder how much a Dream 1W would be

Since apparently the 16:9 720p screens are cheaper

[tawny swan]

like or cheaper

[jolly kettle]

Don't let scope creep get to you

[tawny swan]

atm im waiting only 2 devices, dream 2 (7050) and kt-r1s (7300) ... maybe mangmi max (865) if it out soon (already exist so)

[clever verge]

Dream 1 & Dream 1 XL

[glad oriole]

I hope you can provide a better and simpler name

[radiant lantern]

Dream 1 and Dream Bigger

[obsidian kraken]

Dream S - small
Dream R - regular
Dream E - large(max)

[tawny swan]

DreamE

i dont think they want be associated with

one latter after Dream 1 will be good, and easy to remember

[livid herald]

Same, heh. Hoping we get either postmarketOS or Ubuntu Touch myself

[tawny swan]

or maybe just:
Dream 1
Dream 1-W

[clever verge]

I mean, there are UnofficialOS, Knulli, MuOS, and many other teams

[storm warren]

Dream 1 and Dreeeeeeam 1?

[clever verge]

Ngl, @radiant lantern has a Nice one. Dream & Dream Bigger is kinda nice

Dream & Dream HD, also could work

[storm warren]

Glad we're keeping the teal/orange color combo alive

[glad oriole]

Please give it a simple name.

[clever verge]

Are you trying to Keep the Dream Part @glad oriole ?

[dire ivy]

Thats how democracy works

Also why is whatever mad. He has zero handhelds and will buy zero handhelds because they're all trash to him.

[clever verge]

4", 4:3 = "Dream"

5", 16:9 = "Fanstasy"

Anyone who asks gets called Toxic or a Hater anyway lol

Or they immediately go any cry "Victim" status like that other Snæke Troll kid

[obsidian kraken]

DREAM ON

[dry sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-gif-21621168

[clever verge]

https://tenor.com/view/dream-on-gif-18356148

[bronze yew]

honestly, should be pretty much the same price as Dream One... the 5" 16:9 screen probably is cheaper to source for them than the 4" 4:3

[bronze yew]

nah, 16:9 devices are gotta be called "Nightmare"

[dry sierra]

5 inch 16:9 is 720p? I dunno, you usually want 1080p for a psp machine

[burnt current]

Mouse pulling a horse carriage or whatever the fuck tbh

[bronze yew]

I mean, "Dream" already is such a random word to name your 4:3 devices with, you could literally throw everything if you aren't following a theme here or anything

like name it "Horizon 1" and call it a day

[burnt current]

No I love the name Dream

[storm warren]

Dream UI Smart Pro

https://tenor.com/view/bro-gif-2885651493260165635

[bronze yew]

probably the TrimUI Smart Pro screen, but honestly that ain't bad, you already need 3x to max out that one... doubt the G85 handles 4x to upscale PSP to 1080p 🤔

[tawny swan]

Dream good name, but it should be one device imo

and better version Dream Pro or something

[bronze yew]

pretty sure they go with the One, Two SoC name of MagicX now

less of a letter and number string, more random words, not that horrible tbh

maybe I would call if Dream One 40 and Horizon One 50 to give the screen size alongside it, but oh well, it's not like we don't know them or anything and the random folks who buy this won't "decode" the names anyway

[dry sierra]

you don't get it

it's for integerscaling

[bronze yew]

I get it, all I'm saying is that I doubt that the G85 can do consistent 4x PSP

[dry sierra]

psp is not gonna look good on a 720p screen

ehh

I mean it's gonna look okay at best

but not impressive

5 inch 720p has a pretty good ppi

[bronze yew]

ever tried a PSP game on the TSP? looks fine to me, the pixel art-sy stuff naturally profits from being integer scaled on an 1080p display, but that's not really the majority of the library

also if it's really the TSP screen which is like 4.96" or so, the screen real estate is pretty consistent between both devices

960x720 vs 1280x720, one for the black bar haters one for those that want more screen for PSP/GBA

now they literally only need to make the same device with the 4.4" 1080x720 screen

[clever verge]

PsP & GBA are 2 of the Most Emulated consoles on these devices tho

Magic X making the One35 with that 3:2 screen was their defense not to make one

[bronze yew]

but I want it

[burnt current]

I'm just thinking that once you get to systems with mostly 3D games, perfect integer scaling is way less important

[bronze yew]

at the end of the day all these screens pretty much scale the same, just with more, less and no black bars

[dire ivy]

my only critique is it looks too much like the rg505.

[bronze yew]

which is quite comfortable, so no issues, flat slabs all the way

arguably I'm more interested in the 4:3

[clever verge]

Yes, but with a Better/Worse potential chip

But definitely with a better screen

[bronze yew]

but I guess they can off-set the cost of the mold by selling it for the same price as the Dream 1 and having a bigger margin due to the screen being less expensive

[dire ivy]

inline shoulders are index-finger-rape bad for twitch shooters like left4dead, vermintide, jump crew, etc. so streaming those games is out

[bronze yew]

even if it probably won't sell as many units as the 4:3

[dire ivy]

a good handheld for vita is my schtick atm

with the rg505, everything was fine up until Sword Art Online - Hollow Realization, and then the open world destroyed the gpu. it's better on the 556, but the 556 isn't pocketable

[bronze yew]

Vita ain't really reliable to emulate, ain't it?

also One-series devices will kinda cap out at light GCN games, doubt they have enough juice for that either way