Anbernic RG DS

[charred lava]

mainly two things

1. ds emulation on these sbcs is just worse on linux

2. you don't really multitask on linux

in the context of handhelds

[upper fiber]

Well that might be the good thing Linux need less ram, like a lot of less.

The best can happens in my opinion is android 10.

Consume alot of less ram permission to emulator are easy.

[charred lava]

true, but you'd need to make a new cfw custom made to take advantage of that

[upper fiber]

A daijisho like laucher and that is it

[charred lava]

i'd kinda would love a simplier one

like mimic the ds lite or 3ds homescreen

(twilight menu but you know something like this)

[zinc patio]

Tbf , if they had released something like that without the sticks it would have been better marketing right off the bat .
I wonder what low end chip could have handled DS a bit better also.
I think they rushed this thing to compete with Ayaneo and released whatever and the preorder thing didn't help either. Funny is that Ayaneo is stuck to ship their stuff too lol

[charred lava]

I like the sticks tho

in the same way I like sticks on the RG 34XXSP

[oblique estuary]

i think people get too caught up on sticks

i played and beat new super mario ds on my rg34xxsp and i remember seeing endless hate to it having sticks. but, with sticks, i could move the stylus around without two screens, and the other stick i used as a hotkey for swapping screens. i can use portmaster and play games that need sticks and a dpad. the sticks don't hurt you just by being there and having an extra two buttons for hotkeys or alternatively movement option is nice

like the four back buttons on the steam deck, i rather have them and not use it than not have them and wish it were there when i play a game that needs them

[charred lava]

i don't get the stick "hate" on a clamshell. like a non clamshell yea, i can see not wanting sticks so they don't get caught on things. but in a clamshell, it's gonna be closed anyway.

[oblique estuary]

agreed, the only potential negative is aesthetic but i think that's a minor thing compared to the lost functionality

i can play half life on my 34xxsp, if i had a 35xxsp i would not be able to

[zinc patio]

I love sticks on eveything , just in this case because it will give the normies the message that it doesn't play 3DS right off the bat. They shouldn't have showed 3DS on the teasers either

[oblique estuary]

on the otherhand they showed the one 3ds game i would really hope for playing (rune factory 4) so i'm gonna watch all my free time disappear to farming addiction

it's over. that game is a drug

[loud yacht]

For something small like the 34XX SP I can see it being a complaint from people who wanted stereo speakers and they see the sticks as taking up space where those could be used…except the 35XX SP didn’t have stereo speakers there either (since that would render them worthless by covering them with your palms), so even that’s already a moot point.

Meanwhile with something like this where it’s got both sticks and stereo speakers, that’s just a worthless gripe that gets rid of controls for the sake of getting rid of them.

[zinc patio]

The funniest part is that according to those translated chat messages , they released this handheld with the RK chip to avoid criticism. Tragic comic

[robust river]

Surely there’s some super low spec twin stick shooters I can play on dis

[zinc patio]

If it plays Doom 64 then yes

[lethal sundial]

Golden Sun, Feel the Magic XX/XY

[lethal sundial]

there’s a DS Geometry Wars

[oblique estuary]

i'm surprised no reviews have shown trying to run like, youtube on one screen yet

cuz even anbernic was advertising the game guide / video on other screen combo

[lucid yacht]

That's just excuses they came up with after the backlash probably, they're in the business of selling this device after all

[zinc patio]

I was trying to give them some dignity lol

[lucid yacht]

Since there's no google services, I assume youtube has to be watched through the browser

[oblique estuary]

youtube vanced might work?

since that uses separate handling than the google play services

[charred lava]

i'm still waiting on retail units for that confirmation

there's been cases where the review unit is the chinese build which has google play removed while the later retail unit does

[robust river]

MicroG surely will work

[charred lava]

it's likely it doesn't but who knows

[robust river]

damn :(

[lucid yacht]

If it has google services installed, it will probably be even slower

[charred lava]

that's' fine?

wouldn't be the first time i've used android on a rk3566 esque chip with google play

i did the same with the 353M and gammaOS

i know what to expect

[lucid yacht]

Ok, I hope it won't be the issue

[urban oracle]

GammaOS will help optimize the ram usage and overhead

Definitely hyped for it

[zinc patio]

Perhaps this will be the same situation as that Myioo Mini vertical that everyone hated but then it redeemed itself

[upper fiber]

aurora store

[urban oracle]

Yeah, I don't want Google services on this

[grim lion]

I'm going to try other versions besides stock next, seems like we can get a stable 2x, the 3566 itself could (although now we're pushing 2 screens at once). 🤔

[urban oracle]

Google services on my 353p made Minecraft unplayable, hollow knight got a little choppy, and PSP and N64 emulation was a lot tougher

[urban oracle]

Yeah, def adding my own emulators. azahar+, fresh install of drastic, PPSSPP

[charred lava]

aurora is not enough for what i want

a good amount of apps i use require google verification for licenses

[urban oracle]

True

Adding Google play services isn't too hard at least

But I won't be doing it myself probably

Unless GammaOS gives us enough headroom for Google play services

[zinc patio]

But how am i going to have spotify playing Tech Death Metal on the top screen and Doom 64 on the bottom screen ? How !!??

[urban oracle]

Damn u right

I need slipknot to help me get cozy when playing stardew

[zinc patio]

Max can't take my Necrophagist away like that

[jolly radish]

Can’t wait for the flood of WTS posts in the #💬│marketplace-chat

[upper fiber]

https://bit.ly/4rf9lFa this the last mod version

[upper fiber]

Well the 2 screen thing might consume more

[zinc patio]

Hear me out , alt reality where this comes with a D8300
Cult of the Lamb on the bottom , Black Metal playlist on top
We could've had it all

[grim lion]

Also need to confirm that they aren't already running a modded version

[jolly radish]

In before RGDS Slide

[grim lion]

Heading to an out of town a family thing today, let's see how it does on the go

[urban oracle]

Inb4 RG Rollup

[distant jacinth]

Damnnn there's a band name I haven't heard in like...18 years maybe lol

[zinc patio]

My wallet is ready

[zinc patio]

Suiçmez dropped two perfections in album form and vanished from the scene lol

[urban oracle]

Idk all I want to know is can the RG DS use doordash 👀

I can't order doordash while grinding pokemon on my Ayn Odin Lite

[upper fiber]

MMM who knows? Give one and I would investigate for you

[grim lion]

Should be ok technically, but running two apps at once starts to bog down UI performance. Loading web pages while gaming can take a few extra seconds, etc.

[zinc patio]

Ordering Door Dash while discovering energy tanks in Super Metroid with Darkwave playing on the top screen
Remember what Max took from us

[jolly radish]

Max is fueled by spite and hate

[wraith snow]

see this is what I was thinking, the power should be there for 2x from a hardware standpoint, 2 screens notwithstanding

[bright pecan]

The way I see it, the Anbernic RG DS does what it's supposed to do: capture the market for the lowest budget segment on dual screen handhelds.

[wraith snow]

Golden Sun DD was precisely the one crashing at 2x for Stubbs

[jolly radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/377407857001496576/1393259563427430512/image0.gif

[bright pecan]

Someone who's looking for the cheapest device they can get to play DS on actual dual screens will not care about occasional slowdowns for the most demanding DS games or having to choose between non-integer scaling and borders around the screen, they just want a device that exists at the price point they can afford.

[wraith snow]

I don't know if this helps but one thing of note is that drastic can get kinda unstable if you change settings mid-game; when changing settings it's best to restart drastic

for example the weird frame pacing issues you saw once on the stream are probably due to this

[grim lion]

Ahh this is good to know! Yeah I noticed the frame pacing was mostly fine when I was playing after the livestream.

[jolly radish]

My problem with this device is they did highly misleading advertisements for this thing, getting everyone’s hopes up. Though some of you were delusional and you know who you are.

[bright pecan]

The enthusiasts (who aren't stupid ) already knew smooth DS emulation was going to be a tall order on a sub-$100 device when factoring in the R&D to get the dual screen form factor down and either already got the Thor or are waiting for whoever will step into the $150-200 range, Anbernic knew that crowd wasn't going to buy the RG DS anyway.

[grim lion]

It's been so long since I've relied on drastic for DS, melonDS has spoiled me 😆

I'll add a note to the vid

[jolly radish]

So taking bets on how many RGDS WTS posts in #1118633698179428362 will show up within the first week.

Ohhhhhbh

Finally

Popped my back

[zinc patio]

I thought they would be a bit aggressive with it and put a G99 or equivalent there like Ayaneo , because this is what this device is for , to compete with them.
Then they started with the chip teasing that would indicate that
But thinking it would be a SD or even T820 is delusional

[jolly radish]

Oh that feels good

It’s bee like 6 months since I was last able to

[grim lion]

For 2x testing I went back in after a restart, just to confirm, and the game crashed again

But the other settings I'll try this method, and with 2x again

[wraith snow]

ah, that's disappointing

[grim lion]

That was for golden sun

[wraith snow]

maybe I'm delusional but I won't give up hope that this thing can be saved yet lol

[zinc patio]

Stubbs trying to make the RGDS work

[grim lion]

I want it to be enjoyable so badly, it looks and feels great, dang it!!!! 😂

[jolly radish]

Cannot wait to see how to summons wreck this chip

[grim lion]

We will get there in time, I have no doubts on that. The software is just starting from a very awkward place. A dumb place.

[bright pecan]

I do expect the RG DS will look more appealing in 6 months to a year when sales drop its price to like $80 after shipping and Anbernic's software engineering division (read: random open source devs putting their stuff on Github ) provide a more polished OS selection.

[cloud saffron]

or someone with the balls to make a better one for similar money

[wraith snow]

Gamma may be our only hope here but he's like 10 devices deep before he can get to this one lol, we'll have to figure something else out in the meantime

[jolly radish]

So Gamma?

[grim lion]

MagicX was cooking on something if I recall

[jolly radish]

A 2DS clone

[cloud saffron]

they're working on a 2ds thing and failing to deliver on preorders of their current for sale device

[bright pecan]

In fact if their bottom screen keyboard solution is what I think it is, I'm pretty sure they have ALREADY lifted someone's code from Github to put it on their device.

[wraith snow]

oof, not the 2ds clone

[grim lion]

Yeah, I'm stubborn enough in the meantime too. It's definitely one I keep picking up, I need to give Odin 3 more love.

[jolly radish]

I still have my 3DS XL

[zinc patio]

there's a huge demand for a budget dual screen in the market

Mangmi , Retroid , Trimui " Lmao who cares "

[jolly radish]

If you ever get tired of the RGDS (red one)

[wraith snow]

subtlety is not @jolly radish 's forte

[distant jacinth]

MagicX boutta price themselves out of selling any devices

[grim lion]

Goes to another reviewer on our team, otherwise might end up in year end giveaway. So go fill out the survey in #announcements

[wraith snow]

can I be a reviewer in your team

[bright pecan]

Re: the frame flexing from trying to open up the hinge from the edge, I've tried doing that on my Thor and saw no visible flex whatsoever, so the RG DS being susceptible to this feels like a skill issue tbh

[jolly radish]

I have ADHD and likely autistic, fuck subtlety

[zinc patio]

Can't price themselves out when i wasn't going to buy it anyway

[grim lion]

Definitely apply when we post our next job!

[wraith snow]

checks out, carry on ser

[wraith snow]

oh I didn't know you were doing job applications

[grim lion]

Yeah check history in #announcements

[bright pecan]

I don't suppose y'all are looking for a French translator?

[jolly radish]

I’ve never been tested for ADHD or the tism. However I would not be at all surprised

[grim lion]

We're full currently, but people come and go, so you never know.

[wraith snow]

do you really need Andrew though

[bright pecan]

Instructions unclear, replaced all the reviewers with ChatGPT

Surely AI can do this

[jolly radish]

Holy shit. PayPal has an offer for 20% for pay in 4 transactions, needed to save the offer on your account.

That alone might make this device worth it

Nothing stopping you from paying it off early

[zinc patio]

As you know , Portuguese is the language of the future so it makes totally sense that you hire a Portuguese translator ( me )

[grim lion]

Andrew runs the website, the writing team, writes reviews, edits the team's articles, writes RH weekly, RH Deals, RH Deals Website, RH database website, preps podcast topics, and co-hosts livestreams. Also he makes most of our thumbnails these days. We will keep Andrew.

[jolly radish]

I know this is a joke and @grim lion wouldn’t be this kind of an asshole to do this, but please no

[zinc patio]

People don't know this but all Retro Handhelds videos are AI generated , none of the staff exists

[distant jacinth]

I like Andrew he's cool

[bright pecan]

The retro handhelds themselves are AI generated too, we've been hallucinating them the entire time

[jolly radish]

I trust we’re paying him a lot

[zinc patio]

They messed with our ventilators so we're seeing a RK chip in there when the prompt said Snapdragon

[distant jacinth]

Only genAI would do something as diabolical as put analogue sticks on vertical devices

[wraith snow]

I stand corrected, absolute gigachad

[grim lion]

[bright pecan]

...Come to think of it, did vertical handhelds (outside of the retro emulation handheld space) actually exist after the Game Boy?

[grim lion]

Watara!

[zinc patio]

Does the GBC counts ?

[bright pecan]

Still a Game Boy for all intents and purposes.

[jolly radish]

Pocket

[bright pecan]

I guess the doorstopper version of the 2DS can be considered a vertical handheld?

[distant jacinth]

Yeh

[jolly radish]

Nintendo was the only one doing vertical handhelds

[jolly radish]

Oh dear god I had this

[zinc patio]

The Gigachad of handhelds

I had 2 of them , the hours i spent playing them

[jolly radish]

There was a Tetris mode that had all squares

[bright pecan]

I once stepped into a convenience store and got jumpscared by an Atari branded console

[jolly radish]

There’s a retro game store at our local mall

[zinc patio]

We had this and were happy
Life was simpler

[distant jacinth]

All those buttons for hotkeys

[zinc patio]

But can it run Winlator ?

[drifting laurel]

Yes

All of it

[zinc patio]

I should have known , all those buttoms with a weak chip wouldn't make sense

[distant jacinth]

Me when I'm emulatin'

[bright pecan]

So if more buttons means more powerful, that means the most powerful handheld out there should be...

[drifting laurel]

Also comes with a builtin frame time graph display nice

[zinc patio]

Useless because it doesn't have sticks

How can i play RDR2 on this ?

[bright pecan]

fine.

[zinc patio]

Perfect

[upper fiber]

But need two screen

[radiant prawn]

Do the sticks have L3/R3 clicks?

[grim lion]

Update:

Enabling 2x (high res mode) then closing and restarting drastic seems to help.

Drastic version they have on here.

Contra on 2x

[charred lava]

interesting

wait

[charred lava]

that's not even the final official build

final was 2.6 something

i was gonna suggest trying out the continued version

https://github.com/R-YaTian/DraStic_rev_i18n/tree/main

[robust ledge]

Yikes! Sonic Rush looks rough in ETA’s vid

[grim lion]

Thanks! Testing the multi threaded option with 2x on.

Assassin's Creed hits full speed with both options on. 🤔

In the car right now, making due

You know, a follow-up to the follow-up livestream might be in order here 😆

[fierce cave]

that is a fine RG557 case you got there

[upper fiber]

that contra have weird soundtrack

[fierce cave]

I mean it's no Anbernucci, but second best

[grim lion]

Odin 3 is in there

[fierce cave]

that upsets me a little bit

[grim lion]

I know it does, hurts me too Rob

Going to early Thanksgiving at the in-laws

Had to grab something festive

[fierce cave]

just makes me want McDonald's

[grim lion]

I did that the other night and it was a mistake 😂

[zinc patio]

Max watching your first review vs Max now seeing you making it work here

[lethal sundial]

it didn’t crash for me, I was seeig the intro had slowdowns but the gameplay was actually okay

[grim lion]

[lethal sundial]

also, there are a handful of games that have that filtering issue (black lines) when played at 2x

[upper fiber]

weird is crashing at x2 is not about performance. what happens with ds core on retroarch?

[charred lava]

disable edge marking should help with that in some games

[grim lion]

Updated pinned comments in both vids

[grim lion]

Good find! What's an example game?

We're getting 2x in Baby Pals lfg

[bright pecan]

Don't we have a list somewhere in this thread of "nightmare scenario" games to try and emulate?

[fierce cave]

How does House MD run?

[cloud saffron]

well hes kinda a cripple so bad I guess

[fierce cave]

https://tenor.com/view/goteem-go-team-happy-fun-sports-gif-4789485

[cloud saffron]

give me some percs a fishing pole and a treadmill and we'll see what speeds we get

[grim lion]

Ben 10 galactic racing. 2x, multithread on. Fullspeed.

[fierce cave]

try DS on the Subaru

[thorn iron]

You should move to the back seat

[bright pecan]

How about Trackmania DS?

Or was that one already tested?

[fierce cave]

get the full 10 year old experience

[thorn iron]

the enjoyable experience of playing ds on the back seat on a car ride

[grim lion]

I am

[fierce cave]

no, you're IN a Subaru

I need you to try it ON the Subaru

[distant jacinth]

More like Solatubaru

[charred lava]

bruh

i was literally looking up mech furry game because i couldn't remember the name

[urban oracle]

Think it has something to do with the recording, rather than the system. Nobody else has had any complaints about it or noticed it when testing. I think it's just a camera trick

[grim lion]

Well!

[loud yacht]

Should have looked up “furry mech game ||where the power up is a furry turning into a human||”, (spoiler warning for Solatorobo) since otherwise that prompt alone would just as easily give you CyberConnect’s other furry games.

[grim lion]

Sonic rush

Still on stock drastic at the moment

[loud yacht]

Although saying “the cartoony furry mech game ||that takes place in the far future after humanity has actively killed themselves in constant war and destruction||” would probably also work, but that involves knowledge of that Solatorobo spoiler.

[thorn iron]

play avalon code

[grim lion]

Performance dips after sleeping/waking if a game is running, resolves after about 30 seconds.

[loud yacht]

Before anyone asks, no I’m not making either of these spoilers up, Solatorobo goes in some wild directions for what you’d expect from the artstyle and initial introduction to the setting.

[undone brook]

Okay

[grim lion]

Force unleashed can't quite pull off 2x, but 1x is solid

[drifting laurel]

Never knew there was a force unleashed ds port

I gotta try that

[charred lava]

It was weird

[drifting laurel]

They put it on everything apparently lol

I played it so many times on the wii

[tropic crystal]

If you're in a game testing mood, I'd be curious to see the responsiveness of the touchscreen tested with a couple light gun shooter'y type games like Touch the Dead or Point Blank DS. 💥

[cloud saffron]

point blank would be the one to test
its a generally more precision oriented series

[tropic crystal]

Yeah, that is true, but Touch the Dead is my favorite DS game so I just wanna see if it can do it lol

[wraith snow]

look ma, I'm famous!

[wraith snow]

well, there was that one episode one time

[wraith snow]

Stubb's family cameo

they look adorable but they don't seem to appreciate that you got things running at 2x

[grim lion]

Yeah it's not top of the priorities today

Tomb raider underworld 2x, with multithread

Solid

[tropic plank]

So is the device good in your opinion because some people keep harping on it where as I see a good device for the price point. Though it is a bit rushed. Maybe gamma os could improve it.

[upper fiber]

and some emulator improvement maybe when this in the wild and popular the one is modeing drastic can fix some things

[trail wigeon]

its a rockchip so in an ideal world we'd get a linux cfw and drop the android bloat entirely

if on linux arm drastic we can get NDS running reasonably well on the old sigmastar miyoo mini chip surely it can work on this

[upper fiber]

linux is something near impossible really dual screen touch, your hopes are too high

if anbernic could put linux in this they would put because they can just sell it with 2gb

in the anbernic arc touch dont work

[radiant flicker]

I have ubuntu touch on my xiaomi 9A, anything is possible with linux as long as driver is available

Twitter is fine, as long as you don't read the reply section

[grim lion]

48 hours in and if say It's not bad, but it's not great. Too soon to say with certainty, it's coming together for the DS experience the more I mess with it. Just have to fiddle with settings, it is a finicky experience.

Overall I'm having fun playing on it.

[ripe sigil]

Don't think so, but also, wrong channel.
Not where I wanted to post this xd

[ripe sigil]

The device itself seems great look and feel wise.
I'm curious how much better it'll get if and when we get GammaOS on here.
Linux might be interesting too

[upper fiber]

and that is my point, anbernic not gonna be like ayn and give you all what you need to build a linux rom

[urban oracle]

Touch worked for me on the 353p using ArkOS. Pretty sure it works on the Arc-D too

DS worked fine on the 353p for me. I never tested it on my Arc before selling it though

I think we will get a Linux build for the RG DS eventually

[upper fiber]

i dont know, i would not put high hopes on that.

even so, if you see in the arc linux vs android the performance is the same or worse on linux and you gonna have the problem that drastic core or standlone dont do dual screen as android, i see no win in linux really

but i might be wrong, puting linux wuld no solve any of the problem of this device.

the only one is ram and i dont know how much this is a problem.

[sharp scaffold]

2x ds is possible. it just wasn't playable for some games on rk3128 and rk3326. Tales of Innocence battles in the late game for instance.

[upper fiber]

The big problem here, is this device depends on a emulator that never were created to dual screen devices, is not opensource and to work in dual screen they are moding it, is like fixing problem with duck tape

https://github.com/jquesnelle/nds4droid

https://github.com/tangalbert919/iDroidDS

https://github.com/Hydr8gon/NooDS

Really some dev would have more luck doing a fork of this emulator that continue drastic, the dev is silent and the development completely stopped.

[charred lava]

i was talking with the dev of NooDS this morning

in their discord

he said he'd look into what it would require for dual screen display

he doesn't have a way to test it tho

[grim lion]

Issue: when you plug in to charge, the device wakes up (even if screen is down). Have to open and close it.

[charred lava]

does the power button work?

same issue the thor had before it was patched

[grim lion]

Also when you unplug from power it wakes up

Power button puts it back to sleep as well, yes

[charred lava]

so exactly like the thor was lol

i think it's just the generic android behavior

[grim lion]

Annoying none-the-less

[charred lava]

we know it can be patched but

it's anbernic :/

[radiant flicker]

does it auto sleep back if you just do nothing?

[grim lion]

The displays turn off, you can set the timer for that. Sleep though, hrm let me test

No it doesn't look like it will auto sleep

[torpid pike]

This is off topic but if you want to test how good the device is, try playing any of Renegade Kid's games. Moon and Dementium are DS FPS games that target and run at 60fps on real hardware, but I couldn't get Dementium 2 to run on Drastic, at least on a really cheap tablet I have.

Or Phantasy Star Zero, it's decently well optimized and a pretty impressive 3D dungeon crawler for what it is on DS.

[sharp scaffold]

ps0 runs even on rk3326 though much like Phantasy Star Portable 1 & 2

Tales of Innocence can be stuttery/framedroppy in open world areas and busy fights

https://streamable.com/csu54a

[warm crest]

Hard to keep track... Has anyone tested the Waluigi Pinball or Tick Tock Clock on this thing yet? Often reviews just do figure 8 circuit which runs on potatoes. With enhanced resolution*

Also I'm sort of assuming Android avoids the rockchip sleep power drain issue on the Linux ones?

[vestal spade]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1p58f93/rgds_top_and_bottom_screens_are_not_synced

wonder what your doing different

[grim lion]

🤔 what is ETA doing

The only settings I had toggled differently in my clip from how they had it setup is enabling multithread rendering and high res mode.

[sharp scaffold]

reddit is being salty as ever i see

[fierce cave]

I feel like Reddit is getting worse... somehow

[upper fiber]

Well send one buy it one to him or something, if he is willing improve his emulator the community need to help him.

[charred lava]

he mentioned buying a hdmi out thing and got recommened by someone else, to buy a switch dock extentsion cable for it

he liked the idea and that's where the convo ended

[upper fiber]

Well I don't anything personal vs ETA but he have some videos that aren't top notch or very halfway, I don't watch it anymore. I don't hate him but he kinda have some not good takes, But yeah reddit is going to far.

[charred lava]

not sure if i can post the server invite or not

i forget if discord links are blocked

if you just want to talk to him lol

rather than me relaying

oh wait i can just do this

https://hydr8gon.github.io/projects/

his discord link is there

i only mentioned the Thor

[oblique estuary]

man im getting real tempted to put in a preorder

[charred lava]

cause I don't even know if this device can run it properly

it's why i wanted to see if nooDS runs well or not

[upper fiber]

@grim lion can you test that emulators ? If even they performance is like drastic ?

[upper fiber]

Melon D's don't woke well

Not even in 1x

[charred lava]

i know

nooDS runs much better than melon

[grim lion]

When chatting with him about his style, he is the first to admit he is a showcase channel and not a typical reviewer. You know what you're going to get with him. I wouldn't expect too much beyond that. Jay's a nice guy, he does his thing, and his output is prolific. Can't knock the hustle, but I have to question results like this. He might have changed a setting? Did he mention the de-sync in the video itself?

[grim lion]

I'll have some fun with these, thanks! 😄

ETA's passion is with the X86 stuff, that shows

[upper fiber]

Yeah because of that I said I have nothing personal to him.

[grim lion]

Yeah for sure, he also is a prankster to the nth degree lol

[oblique estuary]

if you could, do you mind seeing how ereader prestigio works? it supports dual screen and if this can work for dual screen book reading then it is the easiest $100 purchase i'll do

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.prestigio.ereader&hl=en-US

[upper fiber]

Some in reddit take too personals things and we'll write like a teenager.

[grim lion]

He got me good, in Taipei, in LA, at CES

[fierce cave]

I didn't specifically mean that link, I just meant in general. Reddit's hostility and vitriol seems to be worse than ever.

[grim lion]

Ooo cool use case! I can try it

Not sure why we're not seeing a flood of other reviews for this yet, but until we do i'll keep on testing for people

[oblique estuary]

thank you, really appreciate it!!

[charred lava]

I want this to come out already so people can stop complaining and judge it for themselves lol

[grim lion]

And probably after too, the device intrigues me and I want to learn its ways lol

We don't have much other year end devices coming in, next big one I think is the RP6

So i'll have some extra time to focus in on a few of the main ones like the DS, Odin 3, Thor

[upper fiber]

Well in some ways is the fault of how reddit itself, the site changed to place that was free a a place that is censored and very political, most of the mod thinks they are from the CCP.

[grim lion]

It was a nice road companion today, fits in the pocket and it wasn't too loud when used in a room of people. No one asked about it.

Just looks like i'm playing on an old 3DS 😄

[oblique estuary]

this device interests me a whole lot more than the thor cuz the thor i'd want to baby 24/7, between the glass screen and not closing fully and the hinge concerns i feel like i'd get really paranoid

anbernic's track record of durability though is pretty great and i throw my 34xxsp in my jacket pocket without thinking all the time

[grim lion]

Yeah this one, no case, no screen protectors, just tossed here, tossed there

Seems well built in that regard

If it breaks, well, there goes $100 but not $300 - $500 😄

[upper fiber]

From outside look like a Nintendo product, the overheating problem can be solve with thermal pad a copper tape

[grim lion]

No weird screen flex, the screen is housed in a thick-ish casing compared to others of its type

[upper fiber]

The SOC is nude, not even a thermalpad

[grim lion]

I was thinking about this today too

Yeah that makes a lot of sense, it gets hot.

I need to open it up and look, I have some copper tape.

[upper fiber]

The air is his only thermal conductor

[grim lion]

Wonder why they didn't apply that, there must be a reason.

[upper fiber]

You can mod a little air intake too

[grim lion]

When we did this on the 35xx SP, it became fucky as I recall.

[upper fiber]

Cheapness

Laziness

[zinc patio]

Do you want to see the Spanish inquisition there ? Log in and say a bad word about the upcoming Prime 4 😆

[upper fiber]

Same happens on rg40xxh

[grim lion]

Why go to the trouble of making a damn fine piece of hardware in most regards (software, no), and then give up on thermals?

[upper fiber]

Is like the problem in the V1 trunui smart , at last they fixed it

[grim lion]

Well if we can come up with a cheap and easy community fix, i'm all for it, and I hope they steal it

[upper fiber]

Laziness and if the device is working "fine" why put the extra work

[grim lion]

Reviewers will tear it apart in the west?

Maybe domestically people don't care, that's probably their main market

[upper fiber]

I don't know, even chinnense review mention the temps

[zinc patio]

Joey and Dodo enter the chat

[grim lion]

I remember when Black Seraph said hot handhelds are a feature since its so cold where he is 😄

[upper fiber]

I think as I say this is more like a reviewers problem not a user, that just play DS and not to go beyond of that

And maybe most the user base don't care or don't note it, were not the main clients.

[grim lion]

Oh casual players will notice this though

[upper fiber]

We are adults buying toys and trying it like we're Ferraris we know to much and that is a problem hahaha

[grim lion]

39.5 Celsius will not go unnoticed, i'm hoping with the extra lead time they will address this before shipping final, these are pre-prod

[charred lava]

I feel like a hot handheld is the first thing people will talk about

[upper fiber]

Even more I would say if you underclock the sock like 50hz, that might solve part of the heat. Because this a overclock chip and is pushed to the limits .

[grim lion]

Yeah was thinking about that too, overclocked 3566 basically

I would happily take a regular 3566 with lower temps over this

[zinc patio]

Is it ok to use a thermal paste on it ?

[upper fiber]

Yeah but you try to play 3ds, and after that DS if you only play DS and nothing more maybe don't overcooked.

[upper fiber]

Paste alone without a heatsink would not work and you need use a paste is thermal glue to put the headsink. The easy solution is thermal pat and copper tape

[grim lion]

How about we just give up on 3DS

[upper fiber]

3ds is just a lose cause

[grim lion]

This chip, even overclocked, will not get us there to an acceptable level for the games people will want to play

[zinc patio]

I have given up on 3DS since the AI renders showed up tbh This is a DS device

[grim lion]

For sure

[upper fiber]

I think a underclock would might make more stable, I don't know we're is the sweet spot

If the console is root any kernel manager can change the GPU and cpu clock

If the kernel get publish well the under volt can be a possibility.

[upper fiber]

I think ambernic commit a error in showing 3ds but I understand why they do it.

[lucid yacht]

They probably don't want even higher surface temperatures.

[zinc patio]

They wanted to show that it was a bonus system , it's clear tbh
But people went like " Full 3DS library for $99 bucks "

[upper fiber]

Can't be worse that already is

[grim lion]

Might the explain the chaotic decode time fluctuation with Artemis 😄

I've never seen local streaming switch anywhere from 5ms to 250ms, all over

I got 5ms for about 30 seconds straight once though

[upper fiber]

Might the soc working at his limit is not good and might explain why reset itself.

[lucid yacht]

Obviously can :) 39c is a temperature of a smartphone during gaming. 50+ c is bad for your skin.

[grim lion]

I'm sure it could be worse, burn someone's hand, liability

[grim lion]

Yeah this is about right

[zinc patio]

" Your honor , i was trying to pirate RE: Revelations and the device in question burned my hand "

[grim lion]

Phone does get almost as hot sometimes, not my s25 ultra usually, but i've had that happen

[upper fiber]

You are not making it worse using termal pads and copper tape. The SOC is the middle on the device

[grim lion]

Your hands will touch that area

Well if you have big hands

[lucid yacht]

CPU temp could easily reach 90c, if it goes straight to the plastic shell through copper/thermal pad, you can burn your hand. it would be relatively easy to test though, someone will try 😁

Yeah if you will never touch the back center area, it would be an improvement

[upper fiber]

You are being to extremist, many consoles have this style of mod even the 40xxh, you can control with copper tape were the temp go.

[lucid yacht]

Maybe you're right

[upper fiber]

You do that the copper tape go where hands are not.

Is an easy test if work, work but to me I think a little underclock that will lose near nothing performance might make this sock more stable

[radiant flicker]

hmm i see the ubs c hole right there, someone can put a blower fan directed that way

2006

1703?

this 1703 and drill some holes? 🙃

or these

[lethal sundial]

no sonic rush issues on my side (?)

https://youtu.be/VqYFhLf-tr0?si=WzkE9xWYmQfvw3B-

there's some youtube weirdness going on

or some weirdness

hmm I see it now

[wicked latch]

CrapTube doing weird bullshit to videos?

[radiant prawn]

Do the sticks have l3/r3 clicks?

[lethal sundial]

yes

[weary pecan]

What is the battery life like playing DS games at 1x and 2x res? Can't see me using one of these for anything else, just since Stubbs mentioned it draining very quickly earlier.

[timber tree]

hows everyone doing

[devout plinth]

Looks like there's some weirdness indeed

[urban oracle]

Ya, it's cameras, or YouTube compression

Maybe a bunch of people will cancel preorders and I'll get mine sooner

[lethal sundial]

if I stare at the microphone and push right I can’t see it myself

I’ll keep trying

[weary pecan]

It almost looks like the top screen is 1 frame behind so when there's a lot of lateral movement you can notice it, but when it's a smaller change it looks fine. 🤔

[wicked latch]

Could be a rolling shutter artifact

[stoic laurel]

Reddit-tier armchair scientists are going to look at it and swear its reality

[stoic laurel]

https://youtu.be/dNVtMmLlnoE?si=Xs_kQT3T5eZ7HYrA

[brazen osprey]

alright, forthenext, now record the video with the ds upside down, if it's rolling shutter issues then the bottom screen should be the one with delay

[radiant flicker]

reddit already have their field day with this

[red jungle]

Is this an issue in a anything other than Golden Sun?? If it can't run all the games at 2x what's the point even lol

[radiant flicker]

suddenly everyone is interested in golden sun DS now 😆

[zinc patio]

RGC should have tried ET for the Atari , it would be the most beloved game ever by now

[ionic jasper]

Just wait for the RG 3DS

[zinc patio]

[radiant flicker]

the whole point of the device is it looks like the DS, nostalgia and all that. the 3ds will have a big ass fan and nobody wants that "Just get a Thor"

[radiant prawn]

Record it sideways, heck diagonal lol

[hard obsidian]

finally it's worth it to dig them out

[drifting laurel]

Psy? Dozer?

[trail wigeon]

To run them all at 1x…?

[brazen osprey]

upscaling in ds is pretty meaningless to me, knowing this is underpowered i'm not gonna even turn 2x on for the games where it works

[radiant flicker]

true though, even on pc, I play at 1x

[jolly radish]

If only they were this interested when the game was being sold. Maybe the series wouldn't have died off

[radiant flicker]

the first gba game was great though

[jolly radish]

As was the second

[brazen osprey]

i didn't even know there was a golden sun game on ds until this week

[jolly radish]

GSDD is was the reason why the series died off. It didn't sell enough

[radiant prawn]

Coming from someone who loved the GS games, GSDD felt like a fanfic

It's not bad, but it doesn't live up to TLA

[jolly radish]

Oh I’m lot a fan of the game (preordered it)

Loved the fuck out of the first two

Even if some people who I’ve since gone full no context with says they’re overblown

[wraith snow]

yeah it's not just you; my reddit account is 12 years old, I've seen it evolve over the years, and it's just trending down and down and down with every year that passes now

[jolly radish]

Reddit has always been a cesspool of neckbeards

[wraith snow]

it was fairly pleasant in some niche communities some ten years ago

[halcyon grail]

https://tenor.com/view/jello-jiggle-wiggle-gelatin-jelly-gif-24221404

in drastic anyway

melonds seems better, but is too slow

[wraith snow]

unstable?

[halcyon grail]

may need to do some jiggery pokery with virtual displays at some point

rather than rely on drastics own mehanism for dual screen stuff

[worthy tulip]

Well well well

[halcyon grail]

xmas project

[wraith snow]

help us obi wan kenobi, you are our only hope

[radiant flicker]

can this thing be overclocked further? I don't mind drilling some holes and put a fan in there

[still idol]

please save us 🤣

[jolly radish]

You work too hard

[brazen osprey]

battery life is already bad enough lol

[radiant flicker]

I only have 1-2 hours of playing here and there during the day, rg35xxh lasts me for several days

if I have some free time for myself. I rather use my big ass pc monitor

[brazen osprey]

i don't usually bother playing if i don't have a couple hours to sink into a game

[radiant flicker]

If i do that, I would not be playing anything at all

[sharp scaffold]

Funny thing is Nate is closer to being my alt, but that's because we work together. I had this issue in skyrim modding forums too though. it's kinda funny.

poor thallassa, she banned several people thinking they were me

are we still on the 'cmos is real life' thing?

[radiant flicker]

why bother, just let reddit be reddit

you're gonna get a bunch of downvotes because people just want to hate on anbernic atm

[urban oracle]

You guys think something like this could be added easily?

[sharp scaffold]

this makes me want to pull out my Fujifilm s700(ccd) and hs10(cmos) camera and record a video on both just to spite the lag-complainers

[radiant flicker]

try 2006

or 1703

[urban oracle]

I think a thermal pad and some fans would help this device a lot

[jolly radish]

Kids get ahold of you phone?

[sharp scaffold]

chances are all you need to do is install a softgovernor app. set min frequency and max frequency, then manually set the thermal throttle to what doesn't cook your hands, and you're done

[jolly radish]

Anbernic does deserve some hate

[urban oracle]

If I bought some fans like that, how would you power them though?

[radiant flicker]

5v is everywhere

[grim lion]

I think a ghost did

[jolly radish]

There are plenty of headers in the 476H that have nothing plugged in, I'm sure the RGDS is the same

[urban oracle]

There def seems to be enough room to throw in a 5-8mm fan or two

[radiant flicker]

1703 fan, you can but you need to drill some holes

[urban oracle]

I think a thermal pad and copper tape over the center of the device. And 2 little fans on the back on either side of the SOC. One as an intake and one as exhaust. Try to create a constant airflow over it??

Maybe overkill

[sharp scaffold]

actually, just use an m.2280 heatsink and place it over the two big chips

[radiant flicker]

that's definitely overkill

[sharp scaffold]

depends on how agressively you want to move heat around?

[radiant flicker]

I like the old way of using the battery as the heatsink and direct contact to the shell, but apparently people don't like that

[urban oracle]

I mean yeah, a 5 dollar heatsink and 5 dollar fan would probably help this device a lot

Gotta see if there's a header on the board for a fan. I can't see in that grainy pic

[radiant flicker]

the 5v pin is right there, the usb c port

or just hook directly to the battery

[urban oracle]

Yeah, I think I might do that

[grim lion]

Zu's review unit arrived, he's going to test sonic DS in his vid

[urban oracle]

Found a 10mm heatsink on Amazon with a built in fan

But 10mm might be too much

[radiant flicker]

the 2007 has a metal version

and a metal blower version too

[urban oracle]

Yeah, 3007 also might be a nice fit

[radiant flicker]

I don't think that's necessary at all if you just play DS games

passive cooling is fine

not sure about the west but these things are very popular in asia

[urban oracle]

That's terrifying

I'm probably just going to add a little fan and heatsink because it's super cheap anyway

[brazen osprey]

artifact sounds like the correct word for that

[radiant flicker]

they're magnetic slap on

very popular with the people who play mobile legend bang bang

[brazen osprey]

i thought the cool thing about the ds form factor was that it's compact and self contained?

[urban oracle]

Yeah, if I see anyone rocking one of those I'll throw hands

[radiant flicker]

I see them everyday

[brazen osprey]

i don't think i've ever seen anyone play games seriously on their phone in the wild

[radiant flicker]

mobile gaming is very big in asia

[wraith snow]

seems like the desync is very real unfortunately

[radiant flicker]

joey has a review unit?

[still idol]

It is a gamma unit.

[sharp scaffold]

not seeing mobile gamers in the wild is a 'you probably don't get out enough' thing.

so many people at work do like... animal crossing islands, digital cat cafe's, idle rpg and base defense shit, and whatnot.

[radiant flicker]

idle rpg is big here too

[sharp scaffold]

and then there's ROBLOX

[wraith snow]

no, that's Gamma

[upper fiber]

But that don't have any point of being unless you can control be software

Two air intake and thermalpad+copertape

[zinc patio]

Perhaps we should just admit that this device is bad and move along

[quaint trail]

Imagine making a ds clone that doesn’t properly run all ds games. That’s peak Anbernic right there

[zinc patio]

Sequel for : The Saturn Handhled that couldn't play Saturn

[zinc patio]

They rushed it to compete with Ayaneo , tried to make it cheap to sell more but couldn't really make the promised price point , put the shittiest cheapest chip in there that can't handle DS and made it a preorder on top of that. Their hope is that the design is sort of cute lmao

[grand sluice]

different analogy but this reminds me of the time people expected all steam games to run on steam deck at the level of a PC

[radiant flicker]

well, 90% of target audience would buy this to play pokemon anyways

[zinc patio]

The mistake of the " community" is thinking that we are the target audience

[sharp scaffold]

can't handle ds is a funny way of saying 'it has issues with the top 1% of games.'

[radiant flicker]

pretty sure this community or even the reddit is not even 0.1% of anbernic customer base

[sharp scaffold]

it's exactly what people mean when they say rk3566 can't handle psp.

the only issue games are top 0.8%. its round-down thinking; truly flatbrain territory

[zinc patio]

Yes, their DS handheld has issues playing the entire DS catalogue.

[sharp scaffold]

lol

[quaint trail]

Drastic should be able to run on a potato

[sharp scaffold]

go forth and hate your rgDS then, bro

[zinc patio]

Nah , i didn't buy it and i am not hating just saying that the DS handheld won't play 100% of the DS games

[quaint trail]

Why emulate if you can't upscale past 1x? Just get a DS lite at that point. Same experience, honestly, it's probably better on a ds lite

no increased lag

[zinc patio]

The lag is pretty cringe

[quaint trail]

But at least it looks like they made a good hinge, so there's that

[upper fiber]

Lag is what make us stronger

[radiant flicker]

unless the whole game is `100% 3d, anything more than 1x looks bad

[upper fiber]

I played moba with 300 of ping

[zinc patio]

They do have a good history with hinges so far

[upper fiber]

Without lag life is meaningless, just a comfy sofa for handled oligarch

[bright pecan]

I'm still not sure what y'all were expecting out of a $100 first-gen device tbh

[upper fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/lag-gaming-door-gif-17974671

[sharp scaffold]

lagposters:

• ignore reviewers who say there is no lag
• gaslight non-reviewers who say there is no lag
• troll any footage from other devices showing no lag.
• believe everything on reddit.

[zinc patio]

Nothing really lol I just thought that the DS handheld would be safe for DS😆

[upper fiber]

I believe in not God only anbernic

https://tenor.com/view/popcat-popcatsolana-gif-7948359311851619749

[sharp scaffold]

thanks #🕹│rh-general
i needed a cat meme

[upper fiber]

Anbernic consoles are angels send to destroy humanity and is because why are sinners, just Ayngelions can combat vs angels.

[bright pecan]

Also I find it hilarious that the latest bit of drama erupted due to footage from ETA Prime, who is infamous for being overly non-confrontational regarding a given device's flaws in his reviews

[upper fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-facepalm-headbang-ugh-mad-gif-17881849

[zinc patio]

I think the nail in the coffin was ETA's Sonic Footage and then the RH Impressions video 😆

[upper fiber]

Eta is like a showroom assistant and not reviewer

He might like review other product that cheepo handled of the day

[sharp scaffold]

the problem is the evidence is tainted. telling people the evidence is tainted makes them think you're lying. thus angry reddit.

[quaint trail]

Cool story

[sharp scaffold]

i tried to sum it up as simple as possible.

[timber tree]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-12567454887078541885

[sharp scaffold]

yikes.

[pearl flower]

Reddit 😂

[vivid hazel]

This is such an informative video. Love it

The explanation is so clear

[terse shore]

even if I hadn't already bought Thor this would make me go thor instead

Jury's still out on if this is a universal issue naturally but if it is I mean

[red jungle]

Why even own it then

[brazen osprey]

you know that if you run a gba game on a 1600p screen you're literally running it at 1x, right

[red jungle]

That would be an integer scale not at 1x,

Unless you mean let the displays scaling run it, which depending on the display could look horrendous

And is, completely irrelevant to Nds games which have 3D

[brazen osprey]

you are looking at the same 240x160 pixels on a native gba screen and on a 1600p 10x screen

[red jungle]

Cool, this is irrelevant to Nds

[charred lava]

I mean if you're talking about scaling then no

[brazen osprey]

upscaling ds is pretty much a non factor, and i was the one raging about the screen thing when it was anounced

[charred lava]

It's 10x integer scale is still 10x

[red jungle]

Anyway can the damn thing not even handle 2x Drastic on Nds games?

[brazen osprey]

no

[red jungle]

I can't believe it's this doa

[charred lava]

High res on the 3d is a different thing

Which GBA lacks

[red jungle]

Yeah it's just a disingenuous random tangent

[brazen osprey]

i thought that's what you meant, i consider ds a 2d system

[red jungle]

"oh yeah it can't increase res on DS? Well did you know for pixel art scaling doesn't matter?"

[brazen osprey]

ds is mostly pixel art after all

[red jungle]

There's like, a huge amount of 3D assets and terrain in the first party DS games

[brazen osprey]

well okay, i misinterpreted your initial point anyway

[wraith snow]

sir, Gamma confirmed that there IS lag

[red jungle]

Hard to believe but fair enough, but yeah resolution scaling on games with 3D stuff is a really nice improvement and makes 2D stuff in partially 3D games look nicer too

[brazen osprey]

lol i just misunderstood, it's all good

[red jungle]

Learning that it can't run all the NDS games at 2x res, which was like the absolute bare minimum expectation for the device

Is baffling

[charred lava]

Personally don't care that much for 2x on this

[drifting laurel]

just gotta wait for the t820 version atp ig

[brazen osprey]

i do not care at all

[charred lava]

Because sharp bilinear works on this

1x with that should be fine

[brazen osprey]

i care about integer scaling which has already been dead for weeks

[red jungle]

Doesn't really do much if anything for 3D games imo

[ripe sigil]

If people still want to buy this in spite of the issues that have demonstrably be shown, that’s whatever. No need to go out of our way to rationalize purchases we make, it’s one’s money to do whatever with.

But constantly telling people who point out valid flaws they’re wrong or that this device that doesn’t even play the DS library as well as original hardware at the bare minimum even with proof is peak gaslighting lmao

[stoic laurel]

Yeah I've made the 'thing' once or twice lol

[brazen osprey]

gaslighting? lol check my posts in this thread, i've been hating on this from day one

[red jungle]

RGDS is a huge fail tbh

Worst device from Anbernic I've seen in years

[charred lava]

You're talking to a person who likes sharp bilinear on every 3d system even on the Thor

And sticks to 1x

The only time I go above is if there is a really good hd texture pack

[ripe sigil]

I personally buy devices like that for versatility and/or bc they play the games as good or better than original hardware.
I waited for reviews patiently to see if this device ends up being actually good, and it did not live up to my expectations.

I will just wait for a better dual-screen device. I don’t buy a lot of devices

[drifting laurel]

there's going to be a t820 version trust

maybe

[brazen osprey]

i ended up ordering one despite thinking it's a shit product because i don't trust anbernic to make a better version without stupid feature creep

but yes, it's shit

[charred lava]

People are saying wait for a better ds from Anbernic but I'm not convinced they will lol

As in make another one period

[brazen osprey]

i see them doing an overspecced one that still doesn't have integer scaling screens, with a chonky design because it will need a fan

[ripe sigil]

It doesn’t have to be Anbernic, just any company really.
Thor is great but it’s also very pricy for my purposes x)

[charred lava]

Looking at you RG Arc with Saturn capable internals

[wraith snow]

still waiting for a plastic 405m, any day now

[brazen osprey]

in my opinion this is better than the thor for ds specifically

[drifting laurel]

I can definitely see one being made next year tbh

[stoic laurel]

A lot of this yelling is just people mad that max zhou hasn't been canceled yet

[brazen osprey]

at least it has matching 4:3 screens

[ripe sigil]

I’m sadly fairly disappointed with the RG DS after seeing how it actually does

[charred lava]

You can easily make them match on the Thor

It's what I've been doing

[drifting laurel]

once they know they've extracted all profit from this one, they'll make another

[stoic laurel]

Max is the Elon musk of handhelds

[brazen osprey]

i was ready for the worst so just seeing you can at least play everything at 1x, i'm happy with that

[charred lava]

This was last night on Drastic

[brazen osprey]

no i know, but then i know i'm wasting screen and that i have a dumbass 31:27 screen at the bottom

[still idol]

Retroid made a mistake releasing another RP5 and RP6. This was the time for them to release their DS version with a G1 or even a G2 processor.

[charred lava]

It really doesn't matter on a black Thor

It just blends in

[ripe sigil]

Big difference between “yelling” and understandably expressing disappointment in a handheld that people have now shown has more issues than one is lead to believe.
Anbernic makes good stuff still. I am playing and loving my 35xx SP every day.
But yeah, this isn’t really worthwhile for me to upgrade to, at least at this point in time

Maybe GammaOS might help, but Idk if that would really fix all the issues

[brazen osprey]

but i know, it can't escape that

[drifting laurel]

still time for retroid to make a ds handheld, though they're apparently working on fixing the idle drain issue on the attachment so it might be a bit

[brazen osprey]

i wouldn't care about retroid ds unless they actually get 4:3 screens going

[charred lava]

Just like you know rg ds isn't integer scale tho 😘

[brazen osprey]

yeah but there's no correct option lol

[ripe sigil]

Anyways, now that I’ve seen the reviews for this, and also clips from reliable sources like Gamma showing the screen latency thing isn’t just camera stutters ot Youtube shenanigans (shocker), not really considering this anymore

[charred lava]

fair enough

[brazen osprey]

i was surprised at how decent ds with shaders looked on anbernic's video, i can deal with that

as much as it pains my soul

[urban oracle]

The RG DS is not marketed towards us, it's marketed towards the nostalgia seeking people who want something cheap and does the job. This is tiktok shop device. Like the all of the H700 devices

[drifting laurel]

nah I'm pretty sure the actual ds is filling that market just fine

[brazen osprey]

nah i have two ds lites but i hate using original hardware

[jolly radish]

No one should ever suggest that the nostalgia factor won’t make these sell like hotcakes

Especially on tikschlock

[urban oracle]

I loved playing my games on my 35xx without integer scaling at only 1x resolution. I didn't care and I still dont

35xx was literally perfect for most people who bought it

[brazen osprey]

me too until i played gba games on my 34xx and that became my new standard

[brazen osprey]

nahh lol, just the noisy ass buttons made me not take it outside

oh sorry, i meant 35xxsp

[urban oracle]

That's what the RG DS is. It's the bare minimum. It works for what most people will buy it for

[brazen osprey]

the 35xx plus is a perfect device in my opinion, yeah

[urban oracle]

It sucks that it's the only "budget" option for DS

[drifting laurel]

I still think the average person who isn't deep into this hobby is generally more receptive to original hardware, because that's what they know

[charred lava]

The desync isnt gonna affect most people

By that I mean it doesn't matter for Pokemon

[brazen osprey]

i suppose many of those will be like "oh i had one of those and i can buy a new version now?" probably they don't have one anymore and don't feel like buying used

[urban oracle]

I like the 2ds one that magicx teased, it's got a much more powerful chip. Should handle a lot of GameCube even. but I want a flip that will fit in my pocket

[urban oracle]

Yeah, eBay is crazy for buying DS hardware. 90 percent have yellowed screens or are broken in some other way

[oblique estuary]

integer scaling doesn't matter to most people who just look at these and think "i want to play ds games"

they're android dual screen devices you can use for youtube + gaming if you want without shelling out 3x the price for the thor, and can play psp and ps1 and n64 unlike original hardware. ofc it won't appeal to people who have more money to burn but this will work fine for a lot of people who just want to play some games. a random guy who just wants to play pokemon is not gonna care about a slight screen frame synch delay, and for most games that kind of issue won't matter

[charred lava]

I just don't like the 2ds design

[brazen osprey]

they sell refurbished reshelled ones on aliexpress, i have one

but those are more like 70 bucks

[charred lava]

I can give the zero 40 a pass because of how cheap I got it for

But I ain't spending anything over $50 on a flat 2ds device

[urban oracle]

Yeah, I would take a D900 or D1100 DS device for like $170 over RG DS and Thor

[brazen osprey]

i would take a 120 buck a527 brick screens, ds lite sized trimui ds over anything

[wraith snow]

https://youtu.be/gvGIMPTPDQA?si=Q8ZWaBOVqrxpaBxs

[brazen osprey]

[zinc patio]

And the biggest lolz is that they were trying to avoid criticism with this one

[drifting laurel]

Still kind of bothers me they didn't line up the top and bottom backgrounds

[zinc patio]

I can be wrong and i hope i am tbh But they wanted to drip feed us with this one as they usually do but it will be hard to remove the shadow of this device. They can make a more powerful one but it will take sometime for it

[brazen osprey]

bothers me to have an android anbernic without anime tiddy

[wraith snow]

thanks, now I can't unsee that

[drifting laurel]

I might be just coping but they did release that dual screen update for t820 handhelds a few months back so maybe there's hope

Of course, that could just be because of the retroid ds

[brazen osprey]

don't cope with that, that will need a fan and will be huge

[red jungle]

Honestly if they had made this like, $129 with a T760, this probably would have been super successful

[drifting laurel]

Tbf the t820 isn't a super hot chip and the rg476h is relatively thin

The fan is pretty quiet on my cube at least

[red jungle]

Ngl the 406H is definitely like the ultimate

4:3 handheld imo

Just enough power to play anything from 5th-6th gen at fhd

And it's nice and small and more pocketable due to the 4:3 display imo

Not as long

[brazen osprey]

for me the ultimate 4:3 would need to do full ps2

so technically it's the 477m but nah

[red jungle]

What can the T820 not do on PS2?

[zinc patio]

If they had released the DS406 , for their usual $180 price or whatever they would have a huge hit , specially now during Christmas season but well ...

[jolly radish]

The best T820 is the 476H

[lucid yacht]

@upper fiber They already made a ds handheld, that's why I'm so confused

[brazen osprey]

considering it's in the same tier as the d900, a lot

[red jungle]

?

Hrm, I thought it was able to run the library at 2x

[zinc patio]

90% of PS2 at 1x

[red jungle]

Ig the Rp Mini V2 might be the better 4:3 device then(if it wasn't symmetrical controls)

[zinc patio]

I feel they didn't took the proper advantage of that chip when it was relevant tbh

[lucid yacht]

They released an rk3568, with 3+32 gb, no fan no heatsink, for $100. What makes you think they're releasing something with much more power and ram for just $30 more

[red jungle]

The ram isn't really the issue here

Also a T760 isn't leagues above

[lucid yacht]

It's a whole tier above i'd say. It's not like there's rk3566 and 8 gen 2 and nothing in-between

[red jungle]

Are you a real person with that comparison lmao

[zinc patio]

Because his mistake is think with logic and we're talking about Anbernic here

[red jungle]

Don't encourage him lol, but yeah if only Anbernic had some of that

[lucid yacht]

Anbernic is selling their 3566 devices for $80 now, and their t820 devices for $130-$150. It's easily a $180 product if anbernic makes a T820 DS

[drifting laurel]

That's why we got ali coupons

To make anbernic prices reasonable

[lucid yacht]

They apply to all anbernics, so my point still works 😁

[red jungle]

I never mentioned T820

T760 is a lower power chip

[lucid yacht]

T760 is just T820 with dual screen funcion turned off, so I assume you meant T820

[brazen osprey]

i paid 103€ for mine which is a lot better than i could expect for any anbernic dual screen at release

it will end up being 70-80 bucks in a few months

[red jungle]

This is just, straight up misinformation what lol

[zinc patio]

If they released the DS406 right now i can see them easily changing $200 + for it lol The excuse would be the fan and the 2 screens

[lucid yacht]

It's on their official website, I'm not making it up haha

[junior rapids]

So no longer a camera issue that experts were mentioning earlier? 👀

[lucid yacht]

I never thought it was a camera issue, but it was worth testing out

[red jungle]

T820 has notably better cpu and gpu performance, 15-20% better antutu score, 30% better gpu benchmark scores and the Cpu and Gpu clocks are higher

[zinc patio]

I gave the benefit of doubt on that because i post guitar videos on YT and lag / sound quality loss is a real problem but yes , it was an Anbernic problem all along

[zinc patio]

It is a decent midrange chip imo

[lucid yacht]

Yeah cause it's a lower power t820, max frequency is lowered. Otherwise it's the same 4xA76+4xA55+G57 chip, just different frequency for different power. And fancy stuff like dual screen function turned off. Similar to how 3566 is a low power 3568 with a couple fancy features turned off

[red jungle]

Yea but I think a T760 would have been enough for playing Nds at 2x without issue, RGDS not being able to do that is such a fail

I wonder how the Rgds would perform if it had a G85 or something

[weary pecan]

I think Cary has the cause of the juddery/desync issue. The top screen goes into a 40hz power saving mode so that's what is creating the judder in the sonic game because of the mismatched refresh to the game frame rate

[brazen osprey]

a what

[weary pecan]

So if Anbernic can do an OS update to stop that and maintain 60hz that should hopefully fix the issue

[lucid yacht]

If anbernic can do an OS update...

I'm kinda worried we have to rely on custom android 😭

Apparently nobody checked the refresh rate at anbernic before shipping it or what

[urban oracle]

That's good news, I'm sure it will be fixed because that's a huge mistake

[zinc patio]

Gamma , every single time Anbernic releases a handheld

[terse shore]

link?

[stoic laurel]

NFS underground 2 and kill zone for sure. But you can just play underground 2 on GameCube or winlator

All of the black ops and modern warfares work in winlator so I don't care about kz

[charred lava]

The t760 what now?

Never heard of anyone even mentioning that

[lucid yacht]

https://www.unisoc.com/cn/product/SmartPhone/T8100
https://www.unisoc.com/en/product/SmartPhone/T8100

T8100 is T760

https://www.unisoc.com/cn/product/SmartPhone/T9100
https://www.unisoc.com/en/product/SmartPhone/T9100

T9100 is T820

(they recently renamed their chips to copy the Dimensity line, I used notebookcheck to see what chip is what now)

Both websites mention dual-screen support for T820, and don't mention it for T760

[twilit meadow]

Anbernic doing a OS update ?

[lucid yacht]

Yep that's what I'm worried about, they just throw it out and wait for modders to pick it up

[weary pecan]

There's still a couple of weeks til launch so they could fix it. I asked Cary if he has contacted Anbernic, hopefully he asked/made them aware 🤔

[lucid yacht]

I already have a device in transit apparently so no update for me

Well, that's if "anbernic direct" aliexpress store aren't a bunch of liars I guess

[zinc patio]

Usually the update is the more powerful handheld that comes out 3 months later

[charred lava]

You have a higher chance of Gamma making a build even with his busy schedule than relying on Anbernic doing an update

[weary pecan]

When did you order? I ordered on 16th November and no status update. But beginning to think I should cancel. It's for my kids but beginning to think I'd rather let them yeet original hardware around 🤣

[lucid yacht]

If I remember I ordered on November 1st or 2nd

[charred lava]

If it's for messing around with I'd still give my kids this lol

They won't know the difference

[jolly radish]

It would also be 50% thicker with the needed fan (still needs a fan even with the current design)

[grand sluice]

This lol I bought one for my kid as well. He won’t be like “dad what the fuck is this, pokemon platinum at 1x? Literally fucking unplayable”

[jolly radish]

It also needs to have a proper screen resolution

[lucid yacht]

Fans are slim, I wouldn't worry that much.

[jolly radish]

Yes the 480p still is a bug up my ass

[warm walrus]

Top screen? Or bottom screen?
The top screen is ahead here; #1385011384307421224 message

[jolly radish]

In no reality do you call 480p HD

Look I’m not a screen snob

[grand sluice]

Rising RAM prices are concerning as well

[jolly radish]

I couldn’t care less between 720p and 4K

But I don’t like liars

[charred lava]

Wdym two 480p is 960p. That's clearly how it works || /s ||

[lucid yacht]

Don't worry they'll just start shipping 4+64GB T820 devices from now on, no biggie

[jolly radish]

We don’t need a T820

That’s ridiculous

[lucid yacht]

That's the cheapest cpu that supports dual screen

Well that and rk3568

[jolly radish]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-fun-vegito-vs-zamasu-bruh-seriously-vegito-seriously-gif-20728473

[grand sluice]

cant t618 support dual screen?

[jolly radish]

I guess not

[lucid yacht]

Nah

[jolly radish]

Just gonna keep that gif tabbed

[grand sluice]

sucks cos 405v DS performance is good enough

[jolly radish]

So the fuck are they supposed to put in this thing

[lucid yacht]

T820, told you

Melon DS will still lag, but maybe drastic will finally reach that 2x 3d hi-res

[stoic laurel]

It's good that the rgds is successful at least.

[charred lava]

I only bought this because it was under $100. I'd have zero interest if it was around 150+

[lucid yacht]

You sure?

[brazen osprey]

i'd pay 150 if it was good in any way

[charred lava]

I already have my Thor

[stoic laurel]

Anbernic can't unsell out preorders

[lucid yacht]

Compromise - T820 with 3+32GB for $150. That would work. jk

[lucid yacht]

What are you saying?

[stoic laurel]

That the point of this is to make money, which they did

[jolly radish]

Not with this crowd of the tism

[stoic laurel]

Lol

[charred lava]

It's Anbernic, it's not gonna be cheaper than the Slide

[stoic laurel]

We need rfk to say anbernic cures autism

[lucid yacht]

Yeah T820 version will definitely happen, they have to make a 3DS knockoff at some point, after all

[zinc patio]

The preorder was then a ploy to sell a subpar product that people can't return 🤔

[jolly radish]

I’m just waiting for the flood of them in the #1118633698179428362 forum

I’ll give you $60 for a red one

Might have sold me on it if they’d of done a cobalt blue one

[lucid yacht]

I can easily return aliexpress orders lol, I think it's the same with anbernics website. What preorder did is - lured some people to buy a thing they didn't expect to suck this much.

[jolly radish]

My side eye started tingling when they said sub $100

https://tenor.com/view/change-eyebrows-change-facial-expression-suspecting-stare-are-you-serious-gif-16709743746036566000

[zinc patio]

I waited until the reviews so i didn't buy it. Same with the RP6
No review = no buy

[jolly radish]

Then the leaks of the specs were like “well fuck, that’s underwhelming.”

[lucid yacht]

That works too, I was just thinking "eh, $100 no biggie, let's see what this can do". But 40hz will be ass, I hope there's a fix, or it's just a chrome thing

[zinc patio]

can you guess what powers it?👀

[jolly radish]

https://tenor.com/view/change-eyebrows-change-facial-expression-suspecting-stare-are-you-serious-gif-16709743746036566000

They got people’s hopes (some of you are delusional) for a decent upscaled device

[zinc patio]

I thought this would be for the DS ( and DS only) what the 34xx was for the GBA

[jolly radish]

There are people who actually thought it was going to be a T820 (not me though)

T820 = bitch you better have a fan

[lucid yacht]

There's still some people who think anbernic will make a $130 T820 version

[jolly radish]

https://tenor.com/view/change-eyebrows-change-facial-expression-suspecting-stare-are-you-serious-gif-16709743746036566000

[zinc patio]

what a steal , i'll buy a T820 for $99 from those Anbernic suckers

[lucid yacht]

"I would gladly pay $30 more if it had something more powerful, like T820" is a type of comment I've seen a couple times already lol

[jolly radish]

T820 would be no less than $150 to $175

[lucid yacht]

$185 easy

Maybe more

[jolly radish]

And knowing Max it’d be at the higher end of that

[zinc patio]

Like a T820 costs $130

[jolly radish]

Would I pay $150 to $185 for a T820?

https://tenor.com/view/yup-dale-doback-step-brothers-yes-i-agree-gif-1579811350903017250

[lucid yacht]

If it has dual screens, yep

[brazen osprey]

if it has dual integer scaling screens, yes

[jolly radish]

And the 4.7” display

Yes I want a big boy

[zinc patio]

It is already at the $180 price , the 476H costs that for me on ali. If it had dual screens i can see them charging $200 for it , easy.

[jolly radish]

https://tenor.com/view/change-eyebrows-change-facial-expression-suspecting-stare-are-you-serious-gif-16709743746036566000

[lucid yacht]

Nah, it will have 720p 5" 16:9 on top, and 720p 4" 4:3 on the bottom, it's the anbernic way

[jolly radish]

Where the fuck you at?

I have never spent more than $130 shipped for the 476H

Granted that was with some good sales on AliExpress

[zinc patio]

Portugal
And every sale i saw from it has a €50 shipping cost 🤡

[jolly radish]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-fun-vegito-vs-zamasu-bruh-seriously-vegito-seriously-gif-20728473

[zinc patio]

RIP

[lucid yacht]

High import tariffs probably

[zinc patio]

Probably , what kills it is the shipping

[brazen osprey]

i've seen them for 120 bucks in spain

oh 476h, not 406h, yeah those are around 150

[zinc patio]

The 406h seems to be decent , that Sega Dpad is pretty good imo
Same handheld but without the glass front

[brazen osprey]

the 960p screen is the high point of what anbernic has to offer i think

[jolly radish]

Yup

[zinc patio]

That it is , the custom screen is their biggest sale point for the 476H

[brazen osprey]

yeah that's kinda why i wouldn't want the 406h

but it's an okay device

[zinc patio]

I had a T820 before and had fun with Gamecube / Wii , surprisingly it plays Switch games like Luigi's Mansion 2 and indies

[lucid yacht]

Now that thor lite is gone, there's space for anbernics $180 crappy 3ds clone. Though I hope they just make an improved DS first (copium)

[zinc patio]

What color did you get ?

[brazen osprey]

i didn't buy the 406h, if you mean the rgds, i bought the black and red

[zinc patio]

Max " I refuse to do a T820 3DS 🙂‍↔️"

[zinc patio]

I meant the 476H , i thought you bought one

[lucid yacht]

It's perfect though

[brazen osprey]

nah, not interested until it's like 120 bucks or less

[lucid yacht]

Heaviest 3ds games will lag, and upscaling will suck. It's a perfect chip for an anbernic 3ds

[jolly radish]

Max: I refuse to give you the 4.7” display

[zinc patio]

And that's why he won't make it
Imagine him giving us an ounce of joy , not happening

[zinc patio]

We have this custom 4.7" display that we're not gonna use it

[lucid yacht]

That's all they do for a couple past releases tho

[brazen osprey]

this with the 4,7 inch screen would be huge

[jolly radish]

Yes and we love that display

[brazen osprey]

i don't think i'd want it

[zinc patio]

Same

[jolly radish]

It’s part of the charm that is the 476H

Such a lovely device

[lucid yacht]

We'd have the 4th device with this screen soon, and it's been what, 5 months since it was introduced

[jolly radish]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-your-point-huh-so-gif-4494575

[zinc patio]

The 477V will have it ( if it's ever released )

[jolly radish]

Yum

[grand sluice]

477h with the 406h form factor is more appealing

we dont need more fatass verticals smh

[lethal sundial]

Gamma is on the case regarding the "screen desync", I'll leave it to the experts to diagnose and explain

I did an additional test and was chatting to him about it

[zinc patio]

Leave the verticals alone
THICC verticals and thin horizontals can live together in harmony

[jolly radish]

Unless you’re the 406V

Then you’re an fugly bitch

[zinc patio]

The 477V is the plastic surgery she needed and the better chip is the ego boost aftewards

[lucid yacht]

B-b-but the cheeks...

[charred lava]

A look that not even a mother could love

[lucid yacht]

406V is cute

[jolly radish]

Fugly

I have never hated an Anbernic handheld more

[zinc patio]

So far*

[jolly radish]

It’s the R36S of anbernics

[charred lava]

I hate the 405V more tbh

[grand sluice]

if we got the 406/405v in 1999 as a handheld-ified N64 people would have flipped out because it has the N64 curvacious booty

goldeneye at school, now that's something

[jolly radish]

405V is just as fugly

[zinc patio]

Wood grain and the DMG one looks like a medical ER device

[lucid yacht]

I'm glad 405V/406V exists, but flat does look better. Wish they'd put some android chip in 40XXV shell.

[grand sluice]

it looks like a "future game boy"

[zinc patio]

477V will be flat

[lucid yacht]

Yep I know, I'm not buying a $220 device though 😁

[jolly radish]

You will

[zinc patio]

And analog triggers so it's an Anbernic miracle

[grand sluice]

not half bad, but man it's gonna be massive and a pain in the ass to bag

[jolly radish]

Cargo pants/shorts superiority

[zinc patio]

I am , because the stupid kid in me who wanted a Gameboy would have wanted this

[brazen osprey]

where do you see analog triggers there?

[jolly radish]

Still trying to figure that out

I’ll probably get the black one

[zinc patio]

I am trolling with that lol

[grand sluice]

maybe our friends are the analog triggers we made along the way

[zinc patio]

Embrace the massive non cheeked gameboy

[lucid yacht]

Mcon implemented analog triggers in a "vertical" handheld, of sorts. It's possible to make. No one else really wants to

[grand sluice]

id rather embrace cheeks, but not on a game boy

[zinc patio]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-mix-alot-big-butts-gif-19551628

[zinc patio]

I think Anbernic had that on a very early vertical model

[halcyon grail]

Hm

[stoic laurel]

Let him cook. Don't be like reddit and flame up the place

[zinc patio]

Anbernic should hire you and ship their handhelds with Gamma OS tbh

[stoic laurel]

Linux is coming too I think. I see no reason to hate this device

[zinc patio]

I think the damage is done tbh but i don't want to see it fail

[fierce cave]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-fuck-phew-nervous-relieved-sweating-gif-13800809

[grim lion]

The Phawx figured out that the top screen drops to 40hz after 30 seconds, power save mode. Says easily fixed with an update. Let's see?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvGIMPTPDQA

This is probably why the desync happens and why people are getting different results, wait 30 seconds before capturing footage.

I'm seeing it now as well, I have to focus on the center in between screens to notice like ForTheNext was mentioning

[grim lion]

🔥

[polar storm]

can you put gammaos on a cat next?

i’ll send you an orange cat

[jolly radish]

Well that didn’t take long

[sharp scaffold]

are you bloody joking?

[jolly radish]

I wish I was as smart as gamma

[sharp scaffold]

you're telling me that a whole community of shit-stained neckbeards threw a flamewar over the cpu governor drifting into powersave.

install 3C or CPU Tuner, set the on-state to ON_DEMAND. Set the sleep and lockscreen state to POWERSAVE, save the profile and go on with your life. this is the same way you fix the rg557's bollocks

[lethal sundial]

something you’d never do actually playing games 😂

[jolly radish]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-a-bit-aggressive-thats-not-nice-little-brutal-its-too-much-bet-network-gif-15326145

[wraith snow]

I don't think this is the cpu governor, rather it's one screen going into power saving mode while the other is not

[jolly radish]

Reddit is just as trash as twitter

[halcyon grail]

with you and which root? 😄

remember, these are getting locked down... so yeah

[lethal sundial]

btw - planet puzzle league

[halcyon grail]

OK a couple of things.

1. The top screen is set up as an "external" screen. Whether that is physically the case or not, I need to confirm
2. There is definitely some lags between the screens, but nothing worse that what I consider something like a retroid pocket dual screen setup. Taking me back to point 1, there may be something I can do around this but no promises.
3. MelonDS is a bit better for the lag, but runs like ass generally.

aight, I'm going back to GammaOS development

https://tenor.com/view/ight-imma-head-out-spongebob-squarepants-bored-boring-gif-16603981

[upper fiber]

That have something to be with the active screen going to 60mhz and the inactive to nearly 40hz?

[halcyon grail]

IDK about that on GammaOS or even stock, there is only a 60hz screen timing, no 40hz

DisplayModeDirector
  mSupportedModesByDisplay:
    0 -> [{id=1, width=640, height=480, fps=60.000004, vsync=60.000004, alternativeRefreshRates=[], supportedHdrTypes=[]}]
    2 -> [{id=2, width=640, height=480, fps=60.000004, vsync=60.000004, alternativeRefreshRates=[], supportedHdrTypes=[]}]

No alternate refresh rates on here

[distant jacinth]

On the one hand, I couldn't do any better
On the other hand, lmao

[upper fiber]

Can do a underclock? A litle like to 2.5% to 5. Maybe the overclock of the SOC is not stable

[halcyon grail]

dumped device tree, so you folks can verify for yourself: https://gist.github.com/TheGammaSqueeze/5c6b18ca3d957899c38719d923adc497

[upper fiber]

Can you build android10 ROM? This soc is soo weak

[halcyon grail]

No

I don't plan to work on this for some time, just to set expectations

[zinc patio]

At one point we must admit that it's not worth it and the device is not good. They released a lemon , simple as that. It happens

[jolly radish]

Community: Anbernic stop making shit software

Anbernic: why should we when Gamma will step in and fix it?

[halcyon grail]

Nah even GammaOS ain't saving this one (any time soon)

https://tenor.com/view/batman-christian-bale-dc-gif-23950715

[fathom kite]

gamma youre too good foranbernic

[tender flower]

What the fuck

[jolly radish]

Nah there's no reason to expect you to do anything outside of your desire to do so or time table

[zinc patio]

Based

[zinc patio]

Let it die , serves as a lesson to Anbernic to not released uncooked subpar stuff. It's a win for the consumer tbh