RG557

[lapis moat]

you post nonsense every day

go to bed

You're posting a clip that is proving yourself wrong and cant even realize it

idk what else to say

[swift lava]

There is no reason to be rude

Color isnt subjective

You're the one acting that way right now

[lapis moat]

Your entire post history is devoting your life to trying to make everyone hate this device for no reason other than pure bias, and I'm the deluded one?

You need to find more happiness.

[swift lava]

Joe is being reasonable

[hearty hound]

🤔 Now it's interesting to see what this device is capable of in general after the update, and maybe even swap to 556 display will be easy way for daily use :/

[hearty hound]

actualy it is for common peoples

90-95% of people have never seen the right colors on screens*, there are calibration standards for displays

For examble monitors/tvs most of chinese brands atm aim to Dci P3 coverage over 95%, When A brands and 100% srgb are not able to often give out for the same money (about monitors)
in the example of white color, in the correct representation it is not super white but yellowish (on any right calibrated (Datacolor) display, starry-eyed question, which would people like more?) the right white or what they imagined it to be ''or see on non/bad cal screen'' (it's to the detriment of the other colors)

[swift lava]

Russ has seen hundreds of screens

I'll trust him.

[hearty hound]

we are different, i trust only measurements 😉 So far, these are the conclusions, if we get a measurement, we'll have a different conversation.

[vocal loom]

Only trust measurements but make statements based on YouTube compressed videos that don't have measurements?

[swift lava]

So due to complete lack of measurement you conclude the screen is different and worse

All evidence that we have points against that

[hearty hound]

it's a conclusion without a bottom line

[hearty hound]

u ckecked time-code?

see difference in pwm signal?

the fainter you see the lines, the cooler the screen (and less dangerous to ur eyes, even if u dont feel pwm)

[rocky nebula]

stop projecting, noob

[radiant meadow]

Noob

Funny

I'm not stressing because we all learning anyway

[vocal loom]

I don't get why you are here at this point

[radiant meadow]

Me

[vocal loom]

Nah the other guy

[radiant meadow]

What did I do

[radiant meadow]

Oh oh

[rocky nebula]

everything

[vocal loom]

Dude basically hates and counts everything about the device as a negative like daily lol

Idk why stay around

[rocky nebula]

you mean noname

[vocal loom]

Yea

[rocky nebula]

he does that to every device always. he's sort of a low effort troll

[hearty hound]

nah, pure performance good

and i sayed that many times, just take off purple glasses and i will see full picture

[lapis moat]

Go to bed

[rocky nebula]

(removes filter)
wtf... what are you... you know what, nevermind
(refilters)

[hearty hound]

All you can do is lie, you little dumbass with no basic technical knowledge.

[radiant meadow]

Woah woah

Don't get it too far

[hearty hound]

yh

kids baiting 😄

[rocky nebula]

@signal cedar i'm being bullied.

[lapis moat]

nah let him dig his own grave, should hav been removed weeks ago

[hearty hound]

I see the pros, I see the cons (which alas outweigh the pros) and I know the technical aspects of the devices, difference big

[rocky nebula]

you... do very little empirical research, make weird askew proclamations about things that don't matter and then shift the goalpost every single time someone corrects you so you can laugh about how confused they are.

[hearty hound]

now about your lie that i hate any device it's not true, besides the 557, except for the updated freak design for the Action P (black and orange)

others good 😉

[radiant meadow]

Oh dear

[signal cedar]

What's going on?

[hearty hound]

👀

[signal cedar]

Please ping the <@&907746402191413258> role not an individual staff member

[rocky nebula]

k

[signal cedar]

I've sent to the team to look at the thread to see if moderation action is needed

I'm at work so can't help at the moment

[rocky nebula]

same. i'm on break just seeing what's going on in chat while i test the screenmapper on the e6max

[radiant meadow]

How is e6max going

[rocky nebula]

firmware 1.12p made it not so battery hungry. other than that, the same

[stable nacelle]

Rule #1 @hearty hound

Treat everyone with respect. Absolutely no harassment, witch hunting, sexism, racism, or malicious trolling will be tolerated. It goes without saying that there should be no political discussion, this is a handheld gaming server.

[radiant meadow]

Cool cool what's like battery life

[rocky nebula]

hard n64/dreamcast and mid 3ds games... ~2 hours. 8-bit, ~3-5
it's a hungry boi. thing peaks out at 9w

[dawn jay]

I'm currently at 35 minutes of 557 high-end gameplay showcase for my video on Wednesday

I'd ask for more suggestions, but I think we're approaching no man's land

[radiant meadow]

Go crazy cowboy zu

[radiant meadow]

Damn

[lapis moat]

Save some of that footage for post update testing too Zu

[swift lava]

And how is this relevant to color range

[dawn jay]

I'm mashing refresh on the OTA app

nothing yet

[lapis moat]

hm try ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬅️ ➡️ ⬅️ ➡️ 🇧 🇦 and then mash

[swift lava]

Try Alt+F4

[vocal loom]

Delete system 32

[dawn jay]

https://tenor.com/view/muffin-cowboy-hat-bluey-facey-talk-naughty-gif-26426999

[river parrot]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

is it powered on?

[dawn jay]

I'm going to turn your lights off

https://tenor.com/view/with-my-fists-alex-engvid-fight-answer-with-my-fists-gif-23299719

[river parrot]

did you turn the brightness up?

[long chasm]

Try using a vpn and connect to china

Could just possibly be not out yet for your timezone

[hearty hound]

I don't know if you see it or not, but I thought the colors were less saturated. I don't mean the vomitous toxic colors that are in the profile, no.

maybe that just camera moment, or not ... but pwm signal enough to say it was different display

[true hedge]

Can confirm PWM still an issue.

[still ocean]

PWM go brrrr

[hazy solstice]

That's how my foot felt when I got out of bed this morning

[hearty hound]

u have 556? will be nice to record the same

[hearty hound]

it looks eh worse than i thought by reviews ...

[true hedge]

Sorry I never owned a 556. I wish I had one for comparison.

[hearty hound]

eh

rp5 have?

[true hedge]

Rp Flip 2 it has the same screen as the RP5. No PWM whatsoever on the RP Flip 2. At least not at a 1/60 shutter speed.

I'll have an RP5 by thursday though I can double check then.

[hearty hound]

nice

[lapis moat]

We already know Retroids have no pwm that is nothing new

[hearty hound]

hope somone will buy Radex Lupin to measure them (It like 70$)

most usable thing for reviewers (it help to protect sensitive pwm users to not buy thing, if they wont tired, red eyes, somone can get headache) i dont feel any, can use even worst old amoled samsung hours, but i never use low lvl brightness (yes it will impair vision after long time)

[hearty hound]

cant even say properly on what year/generation panel perform (really bad results) try to find model of this display
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nTLJz5EZc/ source

[hearty hound]

26$ retail price

[hearty hound]

and this one pocket 5 / flip 2 i believe and u cant just buy it, but can swap to any 5.5 (when 5.48 single atm) with a file, of course it wont be problem to fit 5.5 (and somone i believe make normal 557, with good screen from rp5 or better with good sticks and something else tuned too)

[prisma seal]

BUT CAN IT RUN CRYSIS?

https://tenor.com/view/crysis-gif-11975668691334140917

[hearty hound]

ofc, switch / x86

[still ocean]

PSA: Don't be a silly goose like me and try to flash another devices (non-Anbernic) preloader to this one, it'll trip an eFUSE. Means that I can't ever restore the stock firmware and preloader, I have a true paperweight.

[crude mango]

No way to reset the eFuse?

[ruby skiff]

Damn

[silk sable]

Anbernic Brick

[still ocean]

No way to reset the eFuse in this case. It's not Anbernics fault or anything like that, just making sure that no-one else tries this.

It's also known as anti rollback

[thorn garden]

gotta roll forward then

[pale marlin]

Ok. So having read through everything it seems pretty safe to say the 556 and 557 are using the same panel then 😂

[hollow terrace]

Did the OTA update, still can't run Netflix on RG557 😭. What a waste of the OLED panel

[hearty hound]

So atm u need donor 🫤

[dawn jay]

Still no OTA here

[radiant meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-2637821906251932852

[dawn jay]

I don't want to VPN and accidentally switch my 557 to Chinese

[still ocean]

https://win.anbernic.com/download/581.html

(Requires firmware 1.18 to be installed first)

Download this zip, put it on the internal storage.

In the FOTA app, press the 3 dots and choose the option to install from storage

[dawn jay]

Based Gamma

Failed lol

I'll wait. The Gamma script is probably better anyway

[ruby skiff]

that'll be why it failed prob

[still ocean]

no it's not that

review/dev units came with firmware 1.16

the OTA expects 1.17

[hearty hound]

🤔

[still ocean]

the script doesn't modify any files/partitions, so it'll never be that

[hearty hound]

contact anbernic for new motherboard 😄

[still ocean]

FWIW I have a second unit now, as long as I don't actually flash a firmware from another device on this, the unbricker I built works

[hearty hound]

oh, torment continues

boot unlocked already?

[still ocean]

Don't expect GammaOS on this folks, we're SOL without the bootloader unlock. No CFW on this until then.

[broken geyser]

Any chance of just tweaking stuff inside of there even if you can't do the full gamma

[still ocean]

It'd be temporary between boots but yeah I could probably do some stuff

[hearty hound]

What if you ask anbernic unlock boot script, maybe they can help at least this time

[broken geyser]

I'm guessing that means you couldn't create some kind of auto run script that runs it boot up to put it back on each time? Sorry for my ignorance

[still ocean]

Maybe with a special app it's possible

Cool my RGB driver works on this

[broken geyser]

that is nice.

[dawn jay]

I have UP1A.231005.007_20250408-2244

[rocky nebula]

Can't they just supply an img file to be flashed using phoenix?

[dawn jay]

Now begins my journey to find a copy of the 1.17 firmware

[rocky nebula]

Hrm...Anyone with a Factory-reset 1.17 os can rip it, post it, and that would be your salvation
its the long way through the woods, but you'd circumvent this weird dead-end

[still ocean]

Maybe if we all bug Lee, we can get it

[dawn jay]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-gif-27406491

[still ocean]

Not as simple, need to trim the trailing padded bytes from the dumps to the exact length the BROM expects. Unfortunately it's a crapshoot on what that actual figure is.

I dumped mines (1.17), and I'm still curating the dump, will take a couple of days

[broken geyser]

Today I learned that gamma takes long dumps

[swift lava]

Curating dumps is strange but gammaos is good so I can put up with it

[stark cape]

I'm surprised I haven't seen a teardown of this on YouTube yet

[hearty hound]

i will say more, i dont see teardown on bilibili and other chinese sources

[alpine bronze]

So what happened with the Ota update

[long chasm]

More performance

[alpine bronze]

🤔

How noticeable in Switch games?

[stark cape]

Probably not a huge amount?

I'm just guessing though, since the issue with Switch emulation are drivers

[lapis moat]

Most reviewers have dev units so they don't have access to the OTA yet, will have to wait for more ppl to get it in hands to test deeper

Hopefully mine comes in by end of week

[timid elk]

https://tenor.com/view/ota-matsushita-ota-somnium-psyncin-ai-the-somnium-files-aitsf-ota-gif-22463467

[swift lava]

Eden my goat

[long chasm]

In the ota they showed off winlater DmC

[still ocean]

wahey, I managed to restore my previous firmware back, I'm now on v1.18

I think the OTA will work now

[hearty hound]

🤔

[still ocean]

ah nevermind, upgrade failed again

shrugs

doesn't matter

[wintry lark]

https://tenor.com/view/doesnt-matter-dont-matter-idc-owlman-earth3-gif-14630439

[still ocean]

ah there we go, fixed it, had the 1.16 preloader instead of 1.18, it was actually checking this, interesting

I wonder if it's changed in the OTA....

[long chasm]

🙏

Has anyone ever told you that you’re the spitting image of DJ Khalid but better looking lol

I had to look up to make sure you weren’t DJ Khalid himself 😂

[still ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/ilikethat-djkhaled-snapchat-khaled-likethat-gif-5407222

[dawn jay]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[still ocean]

ooooh performance after OTA is actually quite good

I'll need to check what they fixed, I suspect they actually fixed the GPU governor

I'm actually getting a good solid 60FPS now in SMO

no script

[radiant meadow]

Ph

Oh

[still ocean]

I'm trying this with the driver I posted

[long chasm]

Ikr noticed like they showed off DmC latest one in winlator on the ota vid so there’s gotta be more power

[hearty hound]

yeah they do (shock)

pretty sure it still not great, but way way better

[still ocean]

still some slight drops, but certainly getting nicer performance than firmware 1.18

[radiant meadow]

Not too bad

[still ocean]

interestingly, the governor behaviour is the same as before, shows as dummy

I'll try with my script for the lols

[hearty hound]

what app u run to root permission manage?

[still ocean]

none of them will work, anbernic ships firmware with a su binary that only works with apps and not over adb. So using termux in this case

magisk etc are not compatible

[hearty hound]

fuck

alr :/

[still ocean]

will test more tomorrow

[meager hatch]

Glad to see Anbernic "fixing" things ......still hate the tiny sticks so here's hoping the don't use them on the 407V/H or whatever they're going to call the next updated version of that line

[radiant meadow]

Actually it would be suitable for device like 407h/V

[meager hatch]

Big nope from me , I prefer the sticks on the current 406 series and not the smaller ones , not like these are pocketable to begin with

[radiant meadow]

I mean they always like to change the device

One min it was switch sticks

Next tall sticks

[meager hatch]

Of course but they don't have to reinvent the wheel when something already works and gets praised by most

We'll see what happens

[radiant meadow]

Yeah

[lapis moat]

People also bitched that those ones were excessively tall and the caps popped off too easily

People will always bitch, it doesn't matter

[radiant meadow]

I can't lie I do remember that

That's why rg557 I understand because it's small sticks and it's bigger device but it would be fine device like rg407h

[vocal loom]

Oh dam if anbernic is actually fixing performance that's a huge plus

Never expected them to

[radiant meadow]

I mean they needed the fix the device so rg557 can be useful device

[vocal loom]

At no point did I expect them to fix it

I doubt most did

So that's a plus

[radiant meadow]

True I was sure because if not next time anbernic use that chip again I don't know people would look at it and having performance issues

Would buy that device

If they keep improving the device it will set good foundation for the chip

[hearty hound]

for >200$ yes 4:3 horizontal will hype

because in the current price situation, it's more reasonable to add and get a real high-end device with powerful hardware (8gen2/G3X gen2) or even steamdeck/rog ally 💀 (x86 not respect, unless lightest, but they have crazy price)

[radiant meadow]

I think 4:7 4:3 device would be fine but if only they can release the device on time and good

[radiant meadow]

Probably not it would be nice for get snapdragon but anbernic doesn't change the chip until they done like 4 devices or 3 devices with the same chip

[hearty hound]

maybe, somone else will do 😉 (who know what people need)

[alpine bronze]

docked mode?

[swift lava]

if this is the work you do working with the fuckery department bums at anbernic

super sp will be eating good

[prisma seal]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lULhgjylg_c

@still ocean Which emulator are you using here? Yuzu or Citron or eden? 😎

[meager hatch]

I will admit that's pretty impressive

[rocky nebula]

now try Shining Resonance Refrain up to the first dragon fight

[vocal loom]

That's really good performance

[cold void]

Damn impressive

[lunar python]

557 is stocked in Aliexpress ship from US. The $45 off coupon works on the device.
$269.99 drops down to 224.99

[orchid beacon]

Your room has pwm

[rocky nebula]

i don't care about pwm

i'm here to game not complain. that's like 90% of what people here do. nitpick and complain. nobody here actually wants to play on these devices

it's like being in a room full of TECHNOZOMBIES

[ruby skiff]

Yet you're here complaining about other people 😉 😄

[rocky nebula]

fffffuuuuu

[still ocean]

it will be the same as this, just with the latest OTA #1359106082781266044 message

[uncut storm]

I haven't looked here for a few days so i am out of the loop.

So have they been making improvements? I am glad to read that

[prisma seal]

Any reason why you're not using Cirton 0.6.1?

[still ocean]

Does it support custom drivers for mali?

[still ocean]

no it doesn't it seems, performance seems to be the same anyway.

[swift lava]

What does?

[still ocean]

citron

[swift lava]

Citron does?

When did that happen

On what level?

[warm wyvern]

Does Citron have driver support for Mediatek ? What sorcery is that ?

[swift lava]

I don't think so

Panfrost isn't made for kbase

And d8300 doesn't have panfrost or panthor

They aren't compliant on that gpu

[lapis moat]

Gamma literally followed up his next sentence with #1359106082781266044 message and everyone seemed to ignore and got stuck on "IT SUPPORTS?!?!"

Read

[swift lava]

I asked, "what supports?" And he said citron

In response to the question asking what emulator supports drivers

[still ocean]

Citron does not have support, I was asking the question if it does

[swift lava]

I don't think anything does

No kbase on any of them

No 8300 support on any of them

[still ocean]

uzuy does

[swift lava]

What

How

What type of custom drivers

On what level

[swift lava]

Citron is made by uzuy dev

What level are those on

Root or like in the app

[still ocean]

App

[swift lava]

Ask the Eden dev to include whatever that is in the new emulator

🐐

[atomic lichen]

looking at the tests .... i really need Arc Pro with that SoC 😄

[swift lava]

Hmm super sp could use this

So mali does support uploading

Are the drivers open source and you modify them

[radiant meadow]

Mad

We got drivers for mail before gta 6

[swift lava]

Drivers for mail

How does this work

Why have I not known this

[atomic lichen]

gamma bless

[swift lava]

Super sp is so back

I am hopeful for the first time in months

[still ocean]

Ehhh I wouldn't get too excited, it's drivers from other devices

Not the same as the adreno stuff, which can be built by the community

[swift lava]

Not modified by you?

[still ocean]

No

[swift lava]

😦

NVM hope is dead

Please Panfrost kbase

[dawn jay]

I got similar performance across a couple emulators. The driver didn't seem to unlock anything that didn't run without it

[still ocean]

Yep, might not be making a difference in this case

[swift lava]

Eden bcn soon

[long chasm]

I’m assuming it’s going to be the same specs for the upcoming lineup in the price range curious to see what happens

[hearty hound]

Citra / Sudachi best, similar? (shouldn't be)

[river parrot]

This

[dawn jay]

OTA unlocked the highest 3DMark score yet

https://x.com/ZuReviews/status/1920136393369559148?t=EHg38_PWlKy7bu_N497nxg&s=19

ZuReviews (@ZuReviews) on X

I finally got the OTA for the 557, and they seem to have eeked out more performance than our homemade scripts. I just ran 3Dmark and got 3265. We were previously maxing out at 3164.

Stay tuned for my 40 minute 557 showcase later today. You'll get slightly better results than me!

X · May 7, 2025, 3:19 PM

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[lapis moat]

Neat

[dawn jay]

The Geekbench cpu score didn't change by much, but the Vulkan GPU score bounced up from 8708 to 9721.

Maybe Anbernic did something on the backend to make the GPU actually carry more weight

[swift lava]

Eden bcn soon

[hearty hound]

that huge improve

but how it possible :/

[swift lava]

GPU governor was misbehaving

[hearty hound]

gamma script do the same

[long chasm]

Waiting until July that’s when I’ll buy this see if any more announcements

[hearty hound]

somone should compare aida gpu drivers

[dawn jay]

https://youtu.be/FcU8HaqYqaI

[radiant meadow]

We love Cowboy Zu

[swift lava]

Eden bcn soon

[hearty hound]

when

[hearty hound]

btw, cooling matter

[orchid beacon]

Love the edit in the gt4 clip 😂

[dawn jay]

https://tenor.com/view/velma-dinkley-shaggy-brakes-brake-gif-19629731

[swift lava]

Wonder what egg ns is doing

Egg ns illustrated what we should all strive for

[tribal meadow]

Looking good. Anbernic's high-end's back on the table, bring out the 4:3.

[ruby skiff]

careful, noname is gonna turn up again to slate it 😄

[radiant meadow]

🤣🤣🤣

[orchid beacon]

Performance is looking great! So how about the sticks, are they ok or??

[hearty hound]

yeah performance surprised after ota

[ruby skiff]

I also love how in every video, Zu's eyes are like he just slaughtered a village of people 😄

[still ocean]

you know, I never once thought about the sticks, they're great

[wintry lark]

4.7 960p 4:3

[hearty hound]

but how it goes higher than script ..

and who make them firmware

[dawn jay]

they're small. Like... you notice it immediately, which is why everyone called them out

[hearty hound]

seems like its not anbernic anymore

[dawn jay]

but yeah, they kind of don't bother you after a hot minute

they play very good

[still ocean]

Anyway, comparing the firmwares 1.18 vs 1.20, they've made some driver changes with the display in addition to changing polling for the joypad from 5ms to 10ms
This sort of stuff can only be done by Anbernic as they have the firmware source code, but definitely some changes made under the hood and not just the performance governors.

[dawn jay]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-smile-crazy-eyes-gif-13867482

[hearty hound]

how they change drivers on mtk?

[still ocean]

not changes to mali drivers, other hardware stuff.

[hearty hound]

oh

why that impact in performance that much?

vulcan almost 10k is crazy for that chip

[still ocean]

hmm I already got 9.5k on my own benchmark pre-OTA

so not a million miles away

[hearty hound]

seems like i miss ur benchmarks

:/

i thought max was 8700

[hearty hound]

deleted already

[still ocean]

?

[tribal meadow]

Don't suppose we know the average stick polling rate on those?

[still ocean]

remove your baseline

[still ocean]

now it's 10ms

[hearty hound]

ow

[tribal meadow]

As in generally with these handhelds.

[hearty hound]

9500 ...

hm

vulcan score like 8s gen 3 (poco f6 stock avg) / 8 gen 2 (factory tuned on ''max stability'' like nubia)

solid (if force with root every app to use vulcan.api performance should be great instead opengl)

[warm wyvern]

Saw this on fb , that would be so neat

[wintry lark]

Those sticks seem a little short but other than that this would be peak

[warm wyvern]

I think it's just the 405V photoshopped with the GC color. I remember the sticks were short
They will either use the 406 sticks or these new smol ones now tbh 😆

[wintry lark]

Yeah I bet they're probably going to use the rg557 sticks, though at least on this it would make more sense imo

[warm wyvern]

Tbf i didn't use the 557 sticks so i can't complain. Zu said they're good and accurate too , just too small but i also can see them working on this model

[swift lava]

Hmm

[hazy goblet]

Here, I fixed it with 4.7 screen :

[warm wyvern]

Even better tbh

[hazy goblet]

That's why I did it, looks less bloated than 4" version 😄

[timid elk]

Good lord that would be a beefy lad

Honestly though I'd be kinda into it

[crude mango]

god an even fatter gameboy

I would buy it

day 1

especially if they come up with a good design for analog triggers on a vert

[uncut storm]

are 4.7 inch 4:3 screens a thing? what device uses them?

[crude mango]

anbernic supposedly is launching one

120hz, 1280x960, 4.7"

[uncut storm]

...oh god

[crude mango]

even bigger than the 4:3 area on the 557/rp5/flip 2 by 0.2"

[uncut storm]

let it be good

[crude mango]

if we get a dpad top but with good stick ergo handheld with that screen that's basically endgame retro handheld tbh

[uncut storm]

...yeah.

I mean, psp wouldn't look as great, but it would be a big, big improvement for nes, snes, pce, and any 8:7 system/game

[tribal meadow]

I hope they continue the quasi-Sega d-pad thing they have going.

[uncut storm]

I always liked that (sega one) but it has been years since I played with one

[crude mango]

just as big as a real psp tho

[uncut storm]

i remember even having a ps2 controller with one that kinda was similar and it was so much more comfortable than the original ps2 one for me

[crude mango]

screen is as wide as the ktr1 screen but as tall as the rgb30/cube screen

[lapis moat]

Seems like it's a Peter Pan vs Jiffy type of deal where it depends on what household you grew up in

[wintry lark]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[uncut storm]

Sure, but you have to give 16:9 screens the upper hand there.

I would take the compromise though

[crude mango]

yeah, psp, wii.u, and switch emulation are when you get into 16:9 supremacy

[wintry lark]

Relatively pocketable, high res 4:3 with 120 hz for android games as well as streaming and the power to back it up

Peak

[uncut storm]

I rather make those 8:7 games look bigger myself

snes to me always suffers a lot on these portable devices, looking tiny in comparison to other systems

[warm wyvern]

They could make the design less chonki too tbh 😂

[hazy goblet]

thats true, though I like the idea of giant GBC (with rounded bottom) 😄

[lapis moat]

I honestly believe the smarter move for Anbernic would be to pair that new screen with the T820 to keep retail price accessible, or at least an additional option to do so. 4:3 stuff doesn't ask for much more and that screen more likely wouldn't make use of everything the 8300 can give.

[hazy goblet]

Agree, even with T820 it would be awesome, that chip is super underrated but is actually quite capable if you want to play with emulator settings

[wintry lark]

I wouldn't mind playing 16:9 content on it tbh

[uncut storm]

i mean... at 960p, you only need x2 for dc,gc,wii and ps2, and x4 ps1/n64/saturn (but a x2 is already a pretty big improvement, and n64 and saturn really ramp up beyond x2)

[tribal meadow]

I don't think T820 is enough for 960p coverage.

[uncut storm]

going beyond that seems like a waste

[tribal meadow]

Not completely.

[lapis moat]

For vast majority of stuff it usually is

[tribal meadow]

Besides, the T820 isn't being sold particularly cheap either.

[hazy goblet]

960p is 2x internal resolution of PS2 and GCN, right?

could be quite hard to achieve for PS2

[uncut storm]

ps2, wii, dc and gc had 480 as their normal resolution

some games on ps2 used 448, or even 240p, but yeah

[wintry lark]

4.3 inches when playing 16:9 is still plenty big imo, I would prefer if they used the d8300

[uncut storm]

generally speaking that's the magic number

[radiant meadow]

Mmmm

[uncut storm]

at 4.3 inches, a 4:3 display would be less taller than the retroid pocket 5 screen,

[radiant meadow]

D8300 perfect ps2 or gc or t820

Well

I will take d8300

[hazy goblet]

T820 = still quite good PS2 (some games require underclocking) and very good GC 😛

but anyway D8300 seems more likely

[wintry lark]

T820 works better with a 720p screen imo, more fit for what resolution it can typically handle in higher end games

[hazy goblet]

unless they will finally use P65 as rumored 😄 I wouldnt mind either 😛

would be quite great N64/DC/PS1 and below handheld

[hazy goblet]

thats also true 1.5x is sweet spot for PS2 and T820

[uncut storm]

well, i have no experience with 1.5x resolution on gc or ps2

you can't even do 1.5 on dolphin on pc

[hearty hound]

dont joke like that

[uncut storm]

as far as I know

[hearty hound]

T820 cant handle most of 1x ps2 heavy games, weak cpu, gpu should be enough

[lapis moat]

I played a good dozen or so PS2 titles at 2x on my 556. I wouldnt call it common but it's not rare either

[hazy goblet]

Yeah, I know you are trolling but it handles most of PS2 games at 1x quite well, only the hardest ones give some trouble

[hearty hound]

how im trolling, i use it lol (selling atm)

dont live in dreams, realy heavy ps2 games will ruin them

cpu should be like dimencity 900 / g1 gen2 for heavy ps2 emulation

i wish somone will find allot 845 and use them for affordable handheld, eh

[hazy goblet]

I hope you are aware that T820 is slightly better than D900?

[hearty hound]

alr, u real trol ...

wow

shock

[hazy goblet]

maaaaan

its even more visible in actual emulation and gaming

I think you mistook it for T618

[hearty hound]

NO WAY

U COMPARE THEM IN ANTUTU

[hazy goblet]

yeah you are right, actually in emulation T820 is quite noticably better 😄

[hearty hound]

Just say u dont understand what talking about

and i will explain why u are wrong)

[hazy goblet]

Go on, but just be aware that I actually owned both Odin Lite with D900 and RG556 😄

[hearty hound]

900 in any emulation beat 820

[hazy goblet]

please explain why, this is just statement 😄

[hearty hound]

alr

[lapis moat]

we've been thru this already, don't bother feeding the troll. All he wants is a rage reaction and you're giving it to him.

[hearty hound]

@hazy goblet

that so easy, without any benchmarks u can understand that by SOC specs

[crude mango]

there's no d900 there

oh wait

rp4 at the bottom

I'm wrong

[hearty hound]

)

[crude mango]

I thought you were mixing up odin pro with odin lite

[hearty hound]

no

Like i sayed before, T820 was WEAK CPU

CPU not = SOC

[crude mango]

I mean even in that test it's barely below the d900

[hearty hound]

T820 has normal GPU

this why u can increase resolution without impact in performance in some cases

[radiant meadow]

Actually par on gc and ps2 but in real life I found t820 slightly better than d900 in most cases

[hearty hound]

If T820 give stronger cores, it will perform realy great on ps2, any game on 1X+

60 fps

[hazy goblet]

It's quite interesting that in these benchmarks its actually slightly lower than D900, but they are pretty much comparable even there and from my own experience T820 really was more reliable at emulation

[lapis moat]

Which is why benchmarks are never the whole story

[hearty hound]

just make performance comparison, and u will see the same

[hazy goblet]

I was playing through GoW1&2 on both and performance was better on T820 😛

[lapis moat]

T820 consistently outperformed so none of it matters. There is no need to guess, we have the real world examples that have been out for a year

This si all irrelevant

[hearty hound]

settings i guess

[hazy goblet]

Man, even according to the benchmarks you selected both SOCs are almost the same

[hearty hound]

i didnt

you're not paying attention, look at what I'm pointing out. Specifically, the power of the CPU

GPU u can say it the same (but for real, its not)

[hazy goblet]

But you are aware that T820 performs better in emulation prob because the big core is clocked at 2.7GHZ vs 2.4GHZ in D900 😛

[hearty hound]

im aware that D900 better in emulation, so

and any video test proof that

[hazy goblet]

And actually I think D900 has better GPU

[hearty hound]

and CPU

[hazy goblet]

OK, still I know you are trolling and you are not baiting me 😄 just so you are aware, but give emulation examples pls

[hearty hound]

you have to think about gpu power when you increase the resolution or add aliasing

nvm

[hearty hound]

@radiant meadow
GPU: FP32 : 460 vs 435 (GFlops)
T820 - 8 cores (1+3+4)
1 x Cortex A76 - 2,7Ghz
3 x Cortex A76 - 2.3Ghz
6 x Cortex A55 - 2.Ghz

MTK900 - 8 cores (2+6)
2x Cortex A78 2,4Ghz
6x Cortex A55 2.4Ghz
D900 can be worst in one case, horrible frequency table + governours or broken firmware

For example Retroid downclock Cortex A55 to 2Ghz (base 2.4) what about Odin Lite, idk trying to find real specs get
Odin Lite: CPU frequencies seem locked at 2GHz for the efficicency cores and 2.4GHz for the performance cores, so it = Retroid, if firmware not broken

[prisma seal]

And Eden first Alpha coming in three days 😍

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/s/dSzSnGzu21

[hearty hound]

Finaly

[prisma seal]

Time to delete the leaked build 😂

[hearty hound]

3 days*

[prisma seal]

2 days and 22 hours

Yeah okay then 3 days!

You win this time 😉

[hearty hound]

A78 has +20% ipc and be more effective

[supple anchor]

what do you mean

we are in the community of nitpicking

[hearty hound]

This why D900 is on next lvl

and here proof that u lieing, Odin LIte perform like Pocket 4, and it beat any T820

[radiant meadow]

You right but you see in real performance odin lite is actually fine on gc but ps2 tho that's when performance falls little behind sd 845 and even t820

[hearty hound]

never see that

if u have example will be good, before i insta buy pocket 4 to proof that -_-

Dimencity has even better driver support at all
Vulcan latest drivers:
Mali-G68 MC4 1.3.278 49.1.0
Mali-G57 MP4 1.3.269 48.0.0 (most have 40)

[pale marlin]

Honestly it's not so much the physical size of the 557 sticks that gets me. It's having a stick with not much range of movement, and I don't know if I might be conflating the two. You just can't play something like F-Zero GX very well on a stick without much range!

Unfortunately it's one of those things you can't know for sure unless you use the thing yourself

[rocky nebula]

it doesn't matter because the odin 1 series isn't made anymore.

[hearty hound]

ofc it will be hehind qualcomm, drivers matter

even 845 with turnip/or latest adreno will kill most of handhelds in emulation, even without gpu overclock (at max it can be 840mhz) custom extreme kernels etc

[rocky nebula]

if you want to see how weak they are, go look at Shadow of the Colossus footage

[radiant meadow]

In fact look at the getaway d900 couldn't handle it

[rocky nebula]

yep.
https://youtu.be/9VicuAE9_1I?t=78

[hearty hound]

settings

[rocky nebula]

odin lite can't play it. odin pro played it in slow motion. rg556 could render every vps frame and just needed the framelimiter to be hacked

[dawn jay]

As someone who has definitive video proof of coming in first on Fzero GX using the 557, I disagree

[pale marlin]

What's the range like on those sticks compared to others? Say, an Odin 2? Honestly out of everything that's my biggest potential bugbear

Would be great to hear it's just as good as other sticks on the range front!

[rocky nebula]

what do you mean by range? it's shown in several reviews that it's a smooth, non-snapping gradient

[hearty hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwl20sRxK7Y

here guy understand what he do, not much but ...

[dawn jay]

Lower, mostly because they're short, but during actual gameplay it doesn't feel limited

If that makes sense

[pale marlin]

Yeah I think it does. Thank you! Almost like because of the accuracy you might acclimatise quickly

[dawn jay]

https://tenor.com/view/seahawks-russell-wilson-unlimited-mvp-gif-18967245

[pale marlin]

Yeah so with this I mean actual physical range, how far it can move, with a larger range in general allowing for finer movements. I've found that the same sized sticks can actually have quite different ranges of motion, the Ayaneo Pocket Air is an example of one with an oddly low ROM. But accuracy and smoothness helps

[rocky nebula]

you want to know how big the gearbox mechanism is.

probably not going to be ps4-controller large. it looks like they're almost the same size as vita gear boxes

[pale marlin]

Yeah, that's a good way of putting it!

At any rate, what with the 556 being one of my all time favourites, it's good to see the 557 launch isn't looking quite as cursed as it once did

It'll be interesting what having to crank that SOC up to max so often might do to battery life though. Then again, had to do the same thing for the 556 for PS2 (it had a high mode that actually worked!)

[hearty hound]

@radiant meadow btw, also A78 outperform A76 2,7 by 7% and A76 2.3 over 25% (20% ipc matter) nothing hard there, this why in any possible FAIR scenario wont lose, now u know :0 (and benchmarks shows perfectly real difference)

o Gammaaaa with good news?

[still ocean]

Alright, I've been gaming on this quite a bit today.
So far it's my favourite to game on, really comfortable, and the sticks are absolutely fine IMO.

[hearty hound]

u have grips on rp5? seems like u need this kind of ergonomic (i dont like)

[still ocean]

Anyway, I'm out of here until we get some movement on the bootloader unlock 👍

[hearty hound]

T820 time?

or not yet

[radiant meadow]

It's fine

[swift lava]

does it replace citron

i have 0.4 and i want to keep my save data for the one game i have installed

[hearty hound]

dont

[swift lava]

doesn't?

[hearty hound]

yh

[swift lava]

or are you commanding me to not do so

[hearty hound]

both

wonder what performance will be, if they arleady ready to drop it public ... (bet it already a bit outperform sudachi and citron)

[swift lava]

leaked version is good

maybe 6k will finally work for me

[hearty hound]

eh not realy

they do just core it run allot of stuff but with graphical issues

[swift lava]

smh why can't i run ssbu on a motorola edge at 4k

[swift lava]

mali issue

not eden issue

sd8gen 3 eating oof

goof

good

[hearty hound]

no, test on gen3

and elite

[swift lava]

citron likely has issues in the same games

[hearty hound]

yeah but less

it just need time

[swift lava]

8 gen 2

[hearty hound]

both have full turnip

[swift lava]

no

[hearty hound]

???

[wanton flower]

Guess I got lucky my review unit was on a new enough version to get OTA. Kinda glad I've been slacking on making the video now lol.

[hearty hound]

test switch demanding games in sudachi

[wanton flower]

Maybe, I hate doing switch on android.

lol

[hearty hound]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-banned-banhammer-ban-hammer-mod-gif-458944485492049902

[hazy solstice]

Imagine having a personal preference
Couldn't be me

[velvet helm]

@still ocean Try Nyushu, I hear it has Mali Driver support.

Even if we don't get Switch Emulation running well I'm just happy to have this Handheld as a Wii and below device.

People were and still are extra critical of Anbernic. So I wouldn't be surprised if they don't want to engage with the community.

When I buy this device what do you guys think?

White 🤍 or Purple 💜?

Gucci or McDonald's ?

[long chasm]

Depends w what you want, personally think white is nice but the black borders sticks out more than the purple imo

[lapis moat]

Amazon also sells a more form fitting case for the 556 that comes in a few different colors, looks a lot better

[thick sail]

Purple and the mcdonalds case make me want this for the looks alone

[radiant meadow]

White

[rocky nebula]

i mean, if you want a list of switch games to try, i can totally give you ones that already work on 556.

Chocobo GP, Cult of the Lamb, FF15 Pocket Edition, and Road 96 are all worth trying.

[velvet helm]

May I please have a link?

[wintry lark]

Til FF15 pocket edition is a thing

[rocky nebula]

indeed, it uses similar character designs to Legend of Legacy and the FF3/4 ds remakes

https://youtu.be/GLVmNUQA50Y?t=141
man, it was a 11 months ago when i made this.

[velvet helm]

Considering I want this as a Wii Handheld it's definitely tempting, my only problem is White stains easier.

[rocky nebula]

pretty sure the 557 can do full 720p@60fps
the whole "mali can't play switch" thing is up there with the other 'too lazy to test it so i'll say it doesn't exist' arguments. speaking of which, i feel like testing something new in sudachi

[velvet helm]

I'm also pretty biased towards Purple too. Purple is my childhood video game color.

Yeah it was the same thing with the RK3326. Everybody was saying it couldn't play PSP or N64 Emulation. But I showed people that this Chipset is powerful enough to play at least the button 60% of PSP games at Native Resolution.

[rocky nebula]

it happens so often, I just ignore it. Like if a person has done zero research and testing and is spewing "i heard X can't do Y" they're on some sort of truth-fabrication brainworm

[vocal loom]

I wanna say this is like the 4th time you've made a similar statement lol. Not complaining you working on it, but basically see you tomorrow lol

[rocky nebula]

Gamma probably just gets stressed out by all the questions, tbh. the jelos guys would get that way too.

i'm gonna go test Kirby Star Allies from the 2018 switch batch

[crude mango]

the PSP is a weird one because part way through its life cycle they let devs significantly overclock the CPU, so any game from before that point is way easier than the ps2 ports etc that took advantage of that power unlock (at the expense of battery life on the og psp)

also it has a load of 2d 'indie' type games that should run on anything

[lapis moat]

https://a.co/d/7cQXIE5

[vocal loom]

When does yours come in? I need a normal user review lol

Console not case

[thick sail]

I like looking through the clear purple to the circuit board more than the actual purplyness of the plastic itself

[lapis moat]

This is the latest info I've gotten so far.

Estimated time is the 10th 🤷‍♂️

[velvet helm]

Unfortunately most people don't know how to not pester developers. Sometimes you just have to give them air.

[real ermine]

your air breathing down on their necks

[swift lava]

I think it's like double or smth

[rocky nebula]

i think max overclock was 500mhz

psp was weird. it was a 2-core MIPS processor with 4mb of cache partitionable between the cpu and gpu. One of the cpu cores had an assisting FPU and VPU for brute-forcing physics and graphical effects.

[swift lava]

Damn doesnt show up in my vsh

[charred steeple]

What performance are we expecting out of this thing? I just want PS2 + low end PC (persona 4 golden modded)

[ruby skiff]

just? 😛

[charred steeple]

It's that good?

[ruby skiff]

oh i was teasing by your phrasing xD

[charred steeple]

I thought it was pretty conservative with what people are expecting with PS3 nowadays haha

[thick sail]

I think "just" is fair for devices >$200, we've gotta keep advancing or what's the point? Lotsa people are expecting switch nowadays

[ruby skiff]

thats because they are weird 😄

[sullen topaz]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKRViI3

[rocky nebula]

my problem is I paid about this much for the win600, which while less powerful, does 7th and 8th gen pc ports. I kind of wish they would reshell the 600 like this

[swift lava]

But Intel integrated graphics

[rocky nebula]

would you prefer intel or are you saying it was intel.

[swift lava]

It was

[rocky nebula]

😆

it was an AMD raven ridge 3020e and 3050e device.

not sure where you got that goblin-tier info

[long chasm]

Mostly x3-x4 most ps2

Winlater was showing DmC latest one so that’s impressive

I’d say wait for ppl with OTA updates to test winlater themselves on YouTube

[rocky nebula]

steam for arm with proton support is -coming- at least

[long chasm]

Cas yknow compat stuff

[long chasm]

That would be nice for arm chromebooks

[rocky nebula]

people will eventually not have to deal with the shithill of winlator compatibility

[long chasm]

I mean I don’t really care for it cas I play em for older stuff but it’s cool you can do it

[rocky nebula]

chomebooks had, what was it?

Crouton?

[swift lava]

What

[rocky nebula]

but crouton is incompatible with every other version of android. it basically installs ubuntu in a wrapper and lets you do arm-debian things like install the steam/gog flatpaks

[swift lava]

I could've sworn it was a 600

I distinctly remember it being an Intel hd 600

[rocky nebula]

no dude. you made that info up and believed it. it happens.

[swift lava]

From anbernic themselves

Either that or I was an athlon hater

[rocky nebula]

Taki Udon -wanted- anbernic badly to use the pentium 7505 or 8505, but they basically set him to ignore and chose a worse, more power-hungry soc. this was.... 3ish years ago. gpd and onexplayer took those suggestions and made two pretty good handhelds. (Pocket 3 and MiniPro 8505)

[radiant meadow]

Fingers crossed I'm excited

[rocky nebula]

because watching script kiddies explode their Odin-2's trying to run Wayfinder is going to be amusing

[long chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/live/B0FM4MztKRE?si=y1ZosqWbLoWjIxGW

https://youtu.be/DJ1C2XU_BC0?si=xWYD2tWT2b6_XM2O

[rocky nebula]

Hades actually running at full speed. nice

[lapis moat]

Well damn that's way better than I was expecting

[hearty hound]

R.E full speed ... interesting

[sullen topaz]

Yeah, it was basically the 552 with some curves

Hell... I wish they'd reshell the 552 with more RAM and beef it up.
RG552 plus

[long chasm]

Yeah at I think 800ish resolution which isn’t bad

[dawn jay]

TOTK absolutely dies as soon as you wake up with your zombie arm

[long chasm]

Oof yeah

[rocky nebula]

thats why i try to do 10 min. minimal when i test games. doing just the opening is kind of a crapshoot

[long chasm]

He

Ye

[violet dragon]

So everything works better after the update?

[hearty hound]

seems like

[lapis moat]

Same for Mario RPG. Usually totally fine at 60fps during the bowser's castle intro but then drops hard once you hit Mario's house. Def gonna test that

[rocky nebula]

Outrun 2006 for ps2 is like that.

everything is fine UNTIL Stage 4.

https://youtu.be/o-mMyD0X3k0
would love to see how much the 557 dips or if it even dips at all in zone 4. VPS went from a solid 60 to 38-41 then back to 60.

[warm wyvern]

The light bleed nearby the left stick 😪
Also that graphic Glitch on DK Tropical Freeze

[lapis moat]

Should have expected someone to focus on the 1 rough one and not the 49 great ones lmao

[warm wyvern]

I have light bleed trauma lol 😂

[swift lava]

Oh my this is good

Whatever works now will work 10x better with eden

My goat super sp

Same chip

[wanton flower]

Ok so. Starting some testing post update. Gran turismo 3 pre update I needed mild underclock to get 2.5x, had to drop down to 1x with underclock off. After update on performance mode…4x with no underclock

Pretty huge difference

[wary tiger]

Do you need to keep switching performance modes depending on what you run, or will keeping it at the highest or 2nd highest be sufficient without significantly impacting battery life when running older systems?

[wanton flower]

There’s just two modes, auto or high performance

I’m still testing so idk about battery impact

For reference I just turned it back to auto and still managed 3.5x in Gran Turismo 3. So even auto is better than pre update

Only switch game I have on here right now is hades and it went from 40 to like 50-55 fps but the game is still kinda a blurry stutters mess (it’s already less than 720p on the switch)

[stark cape]

I know the 557 has the same screen size as the Switch Lite, but I still think 5.5" is just too small to play Hades on

[swift lava]

Which emu

Does eden

Damnit tommorow

[tight steeple]

247€ on Geekbuying

[rocky nebula]

laptop gamers.... we're still relavent...

[hazy solstice]

Hopefully everyone who gets the 557 enjoys it especially with the OTA

But man the PWM on it makes things suck

[rocky nebula]

yeah some people get a headache from it. those same people also got a headache from the lcd steamdeck

bioneuroresonance frequency go brrrr

[velvet helm]

I just want Anbernic to release a Mendocino 7320U Handheld with Retro Appeal. 😥

[hazy solstice]

Yeah it's a bit of shame in all honesty
I know a couple people personally who would call it a deal breaker. And to them it'd likely just be this screen

[rocky nebula]

those are okay. they hit a very low ceiling at the gpu end though

going intel 11th gen even with an i3-1125g4 will get better results. intel produced a crapton of them for stacks of school laptops, half of which can be found on ebay. whole g-series line is depreciated

[violet dragon]

What's PWA?

[rocky nebula]

he means PWM.
example: #1359106082781266044 message

stands for pulse width modulation
https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/story/202307/pwm-sixteen_nine.png?

the 8 sec. adhd description is the lower the frequency, the more it makes the muscles in your inner eye freak out which can give you burning sensations and a tension headache

[violet dragon]

Interesting. And it's really low on the 557? How was it on the 556?

[rocky nebula]

normally, we don't deal with this because companies use cheap TFT/lcd displays, which ghosts and hides the modulation, but since everyone has a boner for oled, this has become a problem

[rocky nebula]

i don't know if it was a problem or not. nobody talked about it or said their eyes hurt

[hearty hound]

its like 240 or something

[stark cape]

240?!

Jesus

[rocky nebula]

usually the lead issue with the 556 is its ergo, sticks, power ceiling, etc.

[hearty hound]

could be even lower

[violet dragon]

240 on the 557?

[rocky nebula]

prepare to burn your eyes out kid

[hearty hound]

here

[rocky nebula]

as much as people complained about the rgcube screen, it was practically immune to bad PWM due to ips ghosting

[hearty hound]

even odin 2 has ghosting, its not trash display at all, just not good as want to be (can swap too)

bc it use too cheap ips panel

but i think people who complain never see switch screen (slow, low contrast, low brightness) just Oled version good, but can be swapped (on any Switch version) to great or even perfect with some tuning (consumption will up a bit)

[rocky nebula]

it's an occam's razor situation. You either pay a ton for the best panel that doesn't burn to play on, or you pay a meager amount for a cheap panel that doesn't burn to play on. You either complain about expense or you complain about aesthetics. or not, because that's not really the point.

[hazy solstice]

Yeah I definitely meant PWM

[wanton flower]

Sudachi

[swift lava]

Test Eden tomorrow

[rocky nebula]

why. it has the same exact compatibility as sudachi, which has slightly better compatibility than uzuy.

[hearty hound]

it has already better than sudachi

a bit

for first alpha build (not c.a.t) that impressive

[rocky nebula]

tell me then: Does 2018 Kirby still crash on load? Does KOF 13 still have invisible characters? Does Pizza Possum still have a broken DOF shader and look like a blurry mess?

[hearty hound]

1 day left, and u will know 😉

[rocky nebula]

not interested. switch development moves slower than vita3k development.

[hearty hound]

[rocky nebula]

in 6 months, maybe it will be slightly better.

[hearty hound]

I haven't noticed any significant improvements in half a year on really complex projects

[hazy goblet]

This reminded me that one of the only games (cause its not available anywhere else) you would want Vita3K to play, is still broken 😦 (Uncharted: Golden Abyss)

[rocky nebula]

i have decent fun with SFxTekken, SOA:Hollow Realization, and Wipeout 2048

i know vita3k's development is much like cxbx-reloaded. There just aren't enough dedicated testers

[stark cape]

I would imagine the Vita version of P4G is still the easiest to emulate

[lapis moat]

Still no movement on my order 7 days later

I get it if it was coming from China but US warehouse should be movin along fine

[swift lava]

I'm going to agree with no name here

Performance

Performance is the change

[solid timber]

it is only issue if you can't use switch oled lol

as it is much much worse.

[broken geyser]

That's likely because they were sold before they were actually in the US Warehouse

[hazy solstice]

With more use and time with the 557, I realized I definitely fatigue easier with it than I do any other OLED handheld I've got, which is a shame cause the OTA fixed a lot of other issues. But can only do so much.

And was also really awkward to realize

[true hedge]

1/60 Shutter speed. 50% brightness.

1/60 Shutter Speed 25% brightness.

Look at the difference in the speed. The PWM flicker on the SWOLED is slower where the 557 is super fast. That rapidity might be the cause of the fatigue. I stand by what I said in my video: this is the first handheld that ever gave me headaches before, so that should still be a consideration. This is with the OTA update btw.

The OTA update did fix performance, but it didn't really change my opinion on the device because what is performance if I can't play this for long periods without getting a headache? I never had that problem with the Switch OLED.

[true hedge]

I talk about it in my review.

Ok gonna go to Walmart now. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

[hazy solstice]

Can you get me some milk?

[true hedge]

Whole or half?

Or skim?

[hazy solstice]

Half

[true hedge]

You got it buddy. Might be sour cream by time it gets to you though.

[hazy solstice]

FUCK

[violet dragon]

Cool, I'm really curious how this particular issue is compared to the 556. I don't really have eye fatigue problems with the 556.

And with the update on the performance I'm very strongly considering getting the 557. But eye fatigue on ips screens is a huge issue for me (probably has nothing to do with PWM) so it's kind of going to be a make or break thing for me.

[true hedge]

Sadly I never owned a 556 so I can’t compare it to that.

[violet dragon]

Oh I assumed that's what you meant replaying to dozer since he had been replying to me asking how it compares to the 556.

[true hedge]

Ah sorry I meant PWM issues in general.

[rocky nebula]

556 didnt have pwm issues. thats what i mean

[rocky nebula]

he asked originally if the 556 had the same issues as the 557

[violet dragon]

Well for posterity's sake I got some 556/switch video. Not sure the exact shutter speed, it's close to 1/60 I think. 50% brightness.

25% brightness.

Even without knowing for sure the shutter speed I think I can safely say the 557 is way worse

[hazy solstice]

I'd say it's way worse than both devices you've got on screen

[violet dragon]

Oh yeah that's compared to the Switch OLED.

[rocky nebula]

yeah it's smooth enough on the 556 that you only see it on a white screen. i did a 28 min. Hyrule Warriors video at 60 and the effect was invisible

[violet dragon]

What's curious to me is that the 557 is supposed to be the same panel as the 556 right?

[hazy solstice]

You'd think so
But after a year they could've easily changed

[rocky nebula]

if it is, something's up with the display driver or voltage/ampage or whatever

[violet dragon]

Gamma will fix it right? (That's a joke btw)

@true hedge I really appreciate the video you took on the 557. It really helped me out.

[hearty hound]

yeah that rip

[hearty hound]

noone do right comparison to say that

[dawn jay]

I compared them in my first video

https://youtu.be/1SVhNn4Y_EU?si=DRlkRrNQnXaUhBmH

10:11

Compared to 9:00

[hearty hound]

oh, i miss that
upd: I remember why I said that. I didn't take this comparison seriously, because it was not shot in one take with two devices, and the camera could have been shot differently.

[true hedge]

Don’t let @dawn jay hear you say that.

[hearty hound]

but I still can't say for sure it's the same screen

[true hedge]

Oh one more thing I want to add to my TED Talk. PWM sensitivity is different for everyone, so ymmv.

[hearty hound]

If we judge by timecodes, let's say both there and there 50%, then 557 shows itself worse (and if im right, its not possible if it was same panel) from all the videos that try to show the ripple, my conclusion is the same.

[hearty hound]

somone should do like that properly (even on bilibili noone😢 )
DC dimming off:

bet 557 has 240hz

[rocky nebula]

this benchmark is useless to the current case study

[hearty hound]

it's the most accurate study

this is the only way to find out the real flicker rate

[rocky nebula]

the discussion isn't about the study itself but the comfort level of the 557.

eye sensitivity stops around 650-800hz. anything above, it stops registering in the muscle. this is why pwm doesn't matter with the 556

[hearty hound]

sadly Taki Udon skip this model, he will show

[kindred cove]

My 556 has it, super noticeable when I got to take a picture of it but I don’t notice much with my natural eye, I typically play on lowest brightness

[hearty hound]

There is a stratum of people who do not accept even 2000 Hz, and at 3000 they do not feel any discomfort.

most sensitive

avg for peoples enough 1k

[rocky nebula]

optic nerve harmonics, how bad your nearsight/farsight is, density of the fluid in your eyeball, there's a lot of factors

[kindred cove]

yeah, it hasn't caused me any discomfort, it is annoying when I want to take a phone shot of it but I just turn the brightness up for that

[thick sail]

Do you guys think the 557 will make me go blind or just give me migraines?

[crude mango]

hrm I should try taking a pic of my oled ipad with my phone

see if it shows any sign of this

[hearty hound]

model?

[crude mango]

13" m4 ipad pro, the new m4 pro models are the only ones they've ever done oled on in ipad land

[hearty hound]

individually, even at 100% brightness it's dangerous to your eyesight

even if you're not sensitive to the pulsation, your vision will slowly deteriorate, faster eye fatigue over time from the screen, etc.

[thick sail]

Hmmm, I do really like the look of it though. Maybe I'll hold out for a price drop

[hearty hound]

the symptoms will vary from person to person.

[rocky nebula]

If you only play in 30min. to 1 hour segments. you will be fine

You know those warnings they put in games? "Take a break after 1-2 hours of play". Those are there because this has always been an issue.

[thick sail]

I thought those were just put in to give your parents an excuse to make you go outside

[crude mango]

maybe a tiny of bit of flickering visible via camera on absolute minimum brightness on the ipad pro

nothing on anything above absolute minimum

[rocky nebula]

Fear-mongering this late in the game about an issue that has gotten better since ntsc tv screens is more of a "choose your own torture" situation.

[hearty hound]

@crude mango 480HZ

safe at 100%

most cases

[crude mango]

it's also a tandem

and I assume they are offset in phase

which would if my math isn't completely off make it functionally 960hz

[hearty hound]

nah

[tribal meadow]

How does this stuff compare to CRTs anyway?

[rocky nebula]

CRT = 100hz. possibly lower

[crude mango]

or actually if the two oleds are offset in phase 180 degrees at brightnesses above 50% you should zero 'off' time

[rocky nebula]

😄

[crude mango]

at exactly 50% it would be identical to DC dimming output wise.

[tribal meadow]

Straight comparison to refresh rate then? Hm.

[hearty hound]

yup, they why it die

[crude mango]

I don't think that's why CRTs died

[hearty hound]

one of the big reasons why people have ruined their eyesight.

[hearty hound]

one of important reasons

[crude mango]

I don't recall ever seeing eye care as a reason to upgrade to a flatscreen in contemporary sources

ads etc

or any discussion of regulation on CRTs for health reasons

[hearty hound]

is that they've been replaced by LCD monitors, weaker imagine but way smaller, cheaper, less dangerous, less consumption. less weight

etc

[crude mango]

I think you're taking a modern argument about the potential pitfalls of screen flicker and imposing it back onto the past

[hearty hound]

easy to back

[crude mango]

can you link anything from the actual transition era arguing for transitioning to LCDs over flicker?

[hearty hound]

lcd even in the early days was superior to the most expensive crt in this case

[crude mango]

(also didn't the backlights of early LCDs also flicker? they were basically flourescent tubes...)

[hearty hound]

there were dozens of reasons

[crude mango]

yeah I'm saying I don't think anyone in that actual period was discussing potential negative effects of flicker on eye muscles

[hearty hound]

common peoples not

[crude mango]

I think people just thought flat + crisp + no scanlines = the future

while I was just mad because I hated the switch from 4:3 to 16:9

felt like I was editing documents on my PC through a mail slot

(still does tbh unless you rotate a monitor to portrait and/or use 16:10)

I mean a sheet of paper is roughly 3:4 so on a 4:3 screen you can show one page of a document and have a reasonable amount of space beside it for your tool tray etc

on 16:9 people have just given up on actually viewing a full page

but anyway we're way off topic other than me being continually mad that we're putting 16:9 screens on retro handhelds

[hearty hound]

i hate 4:3

even ps2 doesnt look how should (everything made for 4:3 there)

[hearty hound]

this is the most inaccurate and stupid illustration ever.

[hazy solstice]

This is the one time I agree with you

[crude mango]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-horse-eyes-black-and-white-gif-17464853

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-blink-big-eyes-short-gif-gif-27595067

[rocky nebula]

The number of weird strawman arguments this guy makes in a normal conversation is reaching critical levels.

[hearty hound]

each animal species has a different field of vision, but as usual, this person doesn't get the point and making comments

[lapis moat]

It's called a joke, you doorknob

[hearty hound]

@crude mango i found, 150-500hz depend in price (most 180-250hz)

and used CCFL type

so even worst be better than most expensive crt

first LED LCD typically use around 200hz
nowadays for example, good monitors work on 2000+hz (for example xiaomi g pro 27 miniled some ppls sayed use 4000hz ''i didnt see that high measure, cant confirm'' but over 2000 can)

[solid timber]

at any brightness

[hearty hound]

finaly

[solid timber]

u get a black bar with switch oled

if u turn your shutter to like 1/4000+

[hearty hound]

share link

[solid timber]

557 WILL HAVE A VERY GOOD full brightness stage BRIGHTNESS

[solid timber]

i do this as my other hobby

this is my video

[hearty hound]

O_O

[solid timber]

from 2 years back

i am into screens in general

handheld is only part of the hobby

【合集·护眼科普-手机综合测试合集-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/MeePkCg

[hearty hound]

something wrong there

[solid timber]

nothing is wrong

[hearty hound]

s. oled has like 1k hz

[solid timber]

lol

it is 240hz

[hearty hound]

O_O

whhatt

[solid timber]

from start to finish

lol

[hearty hound]

hold on

[solid timber]

switch does Not Burn

cuz of this

there is this guy from YouTube made a video

remember

it doesn't burn

for months

even when u leave it on with partial full brightness rite

wrong video

[hearty hound]

100%

[solid timber]

【带你搞清OLED屏幕闪烁问题的真相~斥资10万+ 2023年~全旗舰手机等实测 ~新屏幕护眼系列之【手机篇】-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/PYwlrQB

[hearty hound]

50%

[solid timber]

246

who said 1000hz?

ur pic said 246hz

and there is no 246 hz

only 240 480hz

but 246 is close

it is 240

check my video

[hearty hound]

alr

[solid timber]

if u wanna actually argue

at least verify facts

[hearty hound]

nah i could be wrong, im not expert in switch 😄

[solid timber]

no oled can do what switch does

i am no.1 trusted voice in pwm dimming test in china

switch oled is only comparable to Samsung s23u s24u

this is my channel

[hearty hound]

alr, that make sense

[solid timber]

u can use ai to to check my comments

[lapis moat]

What kinda readings are you getting on the 557 so far?

[hearty hound]

so, over 50% on switch toggle DC ?

[solid timber]

am I speaking english?

i said from start to finish

pwm 240hz

super big black bar

[hearty hound]

no no

i mean dc dimming

[solid timber]

from my test in 2023

it is pwm

there is no like dc dimming for switch

[hearty hound]

bruh, it doesnt have dc? yikes

why that much fake info ...

[solid timber]

or u call that kind of graph like dc?

[hearty hound]

no

this why im asking

[solid timber]

557 is actually

very good at full brightness lol

but I think it is too bright at the level

unless u r in a well lite room

[hearty hound]

how u know english that good o_O

[solid timber]

and

being a Chinese panel

with little exp on oled tweaking

i won't be surprised if u feel it is burning ur eyes if u can't even set the color straight

but let's be straight

all oled lcd panel on handheld r too blue

[hearty hound]

yh

[solid timber]

issue from the tech in general

so u do need to adjust the color

[lapis moat]

Majority of the time most users won't be on full brightness though since it is such a bright panel, it's useful to know the freq when less than 100%

[solid timber]

yourself

which is like super easy

[hearty hound]

damn that so nice channel for getting info

[solid timber]

when u r making it lower brightness

it is as bad as the switch oled lol

or slightly better

[solid timber]

i have tested all the phones

[lapis moat]

Good enough then

[solid timber]

hence why i stated from day one

[hearty hound]

yeah i see

sick

[solid timber]

k70e has the 8300

it is close to 8gen2

and i am correct rite?

[hearty hound]

on paper

[solid timber]

no

on real world gaming

with games like ps2

[hearty hound]

nah its not

[solid timber]

gow

[hearty hound]

bc of drivers

[vocal loom]

Very glad I don't really get noticeably affected by pwm

[solid timber]

now ppl have confirmed

it can do x4

it is 8gen2 level lol

[lapis moat]

Yeah it is close, now that cpu is unlocked

[solid timber]

this is a new chip for anbernic

[hearty hound]

depend what game

[solid timber]

i am taking about gow

[hearty hound]

gow 2 x4???

[solid timber]

Mr noname

[hearty hound]

at solid 60?

[solid timber]

this is from the zu s latest review

it blinks

but mostly 60

with boss fight

[hearty hound]

alr, if say ONLY about PS2, yes it can be gen 2 lvl

[solid timber]

but no sound shutter so mostly 55%

[hearty hound]

on stock

[solid timber]

55

[hearty hound]

but if u tune GEN2 it will outbeat