RG557

[quaint jolt]

Just stop shipping to USA until the tariffs change

[warm wyvern]

They will probably sell it from their US or EU warehouse. Just give them some time to sort it out

They have a warehouse in Poland

[hearty hound]

true, but it will take time anyway

[warm wyvern]

It can even benefit you guys in the long run because Ali sometimes has a long shipping time

[quaint jolt]

I'm pretty sure that doesn't get around tariffs. Product of Origin is still China. They have to move their manufactuering to another country like cambodia o

[warm wyvern]

Depends

[quaint jolt]

If country could proxy ship their products, then tarrifs would be useless lol

[warm wyvern]

If it's shipped from Southeast Asa it won't, they can put Indonesia in the box and call it a day

Plus they can classify it as a phone ( which it is )
They're free of tariffs as i read

[quaint jolt]

Yes thats "manufacturering" move. But shipping something to EU, then shipping to USA isn't gonna work.

[warm wyvern]

There will be the middleman tax involved , it will be certain.
But better 20% taxes than 250%

[quaint jolt]

But USA government officials will catch on like they did with Vietnam

There are legal definitions as to what counts as manufacturer where. They might have ship parts and assemble in cambodia or whatever

[lapis moat]

Can't believe out of all the things this fuckass had to start ruining it has to be our hobby

[warm wyvern]

Maybe or maybe not. Some "creativity" will have to be used along the way there

[quaint jolt]

They can always lie to customs but if you are caught big fines or possible legal issues.

[warm wyvern]

My friend from Brazil asks Anbernic to mark their stuff with a low value so he won't pay 800 bucks in taxes
It's up to you , you either trick the government or get tricked by them

[uncut storm]

Well, that poorly tanned creature always hated games and loves using them as a scapegoat for serious social issues so it's not like he would care

[quaint jolt]

Retroid specifically refuses to do that. They will not take that risk.

[vocal loom]

This is why I ordered a portal as backup lol

[wintry lark]

"Backup" as if it's not the endgame handheld lol

[uncut storm]

current endgame*

it will get outdated like everything else

[vocal loom]

How do I say this

All the extra shit I don't care about too much

556 was near 10/10 to me

I easily had more fun on the 556 over stronger/more expensive devices

[wintry lark]

You would need a pretty significant jump in performance to make the odin 2 outdated

[lapis moat]

Odin 2 is already basically performance capped, it's up to the emulation devs to unlock more ability now. A stronger chip isn't gonna do much

[uncut storm]

Yup, but it's bound to happen. I am not saying anything strange really, given enough time, new things will appear that leave it behind; that's the way technology is. I'm not even talking about power. Battery life, ergonomics, controls, screen type, etc

[quaint jolt]

True but theres always hardware/form factor changes. Like the Portal has a curve screen which makes it hard to put screen protectors on

[lapis moat]

I'd have committed to a Portal as well before all of this if it wasn't for the clackfest buttons

[vocal loom]

Like to me all that matters is up to Wii and 3ds. So to me many other handhelds can start being or are "end game"

[uncut storm]

Again, I am not taking away value from anything, I still use consoles that have been long since been made easy to emulate and play somwhere else.

It's just the matter of these things, newer ones will come, and might improve in most, or some ways (and of couse they can worsen in others).

As long as you're enjoying it it doesn't really matter much what else comes,

and if you look for specific use cases that don't need the currently most expensive thing well, that's also good

[hearty hound]

huh?

[uncut storm]

I myself don't even entertain he idea of getting a device that can emulate switch or similar, I wouldn't use it for that.

[lapis moat]

Gonna need more than "huh" to know what you're missing

[warm wyvern]

Also think of the factor time + politics . What is today won't be the same tomorrow. Every politician is the same with that rule. Tomorrow Xi and Trump shake hands in whatever deal and it that all falls apart

I am not discussing politics btw Just saying what i noticed over time with these things

[uncut storm]

i mean sure

we could add politics

i am not afraid of those

politics have shaped videogames since the beginning lol

[hearty hound]

Elite has own driver (it doesnt work on any other soc), 8gen3 compability with others, both give way more than 8 gen 2, how it can be capped? dont understand

[rocky nebula]

adults put too much thought into how they play with toys

[uncut storm]

in a way? yeah

as kids we could play our consoles connected with the cheapest cables available (the ones that came with the consoles) on mediocre crts and we did not care

[hearty hound]

ik that turnip still dont work stable on gen3, but anyway

[uncut storm]

nowadays we can see people getting angry because the shader is not 100% to their standards

[quaint jolt]

He means emulators haven't caught up yet. So the extra processing power doesn't mean much in terms of what you can emulate.

[hearty hound]

depend what emulators

in switch / gamefusion (х86) u see difference / higher demanding too

[quaint jolt]

Yea and it maxes out at odin 2 soc

[hearty hound]

🤨 it use just gen2, maybe we dont understand each other properly :/

[quaint jolt]

If Odin 2 used a chip that was 2x more powerful than it is today. Would you get better switch emulation?

[hearty hound]

ofc

[lapis moat]

The amount of headway that isn't being utilized in the gen2 still relies a lot more on developing the apps than just reaching higher benchmarks

Of course there's stronger chips but it hasn't been stretched yet power wise

[hearty hound]

citron/sudachi can utilize more if u have demanding game with docked mode and some graphic mods

[quaint jolt]

Nope. We already see that with SD vs Mediatek. The drivers and optimization make a big difference

[wintry lark]

I mean ig, you could say that about anything though

[hearty hound]

u cant compare memetek and snapdragon

1st has closed source gpu, no ways to improve

[wintry lark]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[uncut storm]

Yes, that's my point actually. That's why I think obsessing so much with the latest stuff is kinda pointless and can make people feel misserable sometimes.

[quaint jolt]

"Improve" aka optimization. Switch emulation is bottle neck by the emulator. Not the hardware

[hearty hound]

this why even 845 snapdragon will punch 9400 dimencity in switch emulation (heavy ofc)

just bc of drivers

[uncut storm]

developing emulators is a pretty long, and often unthankful task

[hearty hound]

yup

[quaint jolt]

Switch emulation is still dogshit on x86/PC. I have a monster setup. Its not the hardware ...

[uncut storm]

the more complex the system to emulate, the more things you need to do

[hearty hound]

they scary to make it payed, and just burned out mentally

like aethersx2 guy (legend)

[uncut storm]

this is precisely why I don't even care about switch not being "ideal" on a midrange retro handheld

[hearty hound]

zelda botw 4k not exist?)

[uncut storm]

I mean, making it a paid emulator would be a one way ticket to doom

by the hands of Nintendo

[vocal loom]

I just own a switch with the games I'd want to play anyways lol. Switch now has like every Wii u game that mattered except like Zelda hd

[hearty hound]

emulation on x86 almost perfect with tons of graphics improvements

[lapis moat]

Battery management however is far from it

[uncut storm]

I don't know how donations fare with more modern emulators, but I have thrown a bit of money here and there to older ones because they really deserve some thanks for the monumental task they take for us

[hearty hound]

true

[quaint jolt]

Perfect emulation to me means getting every single game to run with out hiccups as much as possible. Have a few games run really great at 4K isn't important to me.

[hearty hound]

nah, it will anyway be doomed

[lapis moat]

I've donated to Gamma a few times, dude's a monster

[hearty hound]

they only complain about ''emulation'' not even free roms

[warm wyvern]

People get entitled with free stuff being done for them , let alone paying by it.

[vocal loom]

Especially in between producing music

[hearty hound]

but who cares, fork will live forever

[uncut storm]

Because Nintendo wants to make emulation look evil. They've been doing this pretty heavily these last few years. They really want for people to associate emulation with illegal downloads, it helps their case

[hearty hound]

one be doomed, another team magicaly get code and just make it better, again and again it happened

[quaint jolt]

Donating to emulator developers is very tricky. The developer's leave a paper trail and open yourself to liability. Staying annomous online is the best way to prevent youself from getting sued.

[uncut storm]

I agree

but there's a difference between "hey, I'll send you 10 euros as thanks" and "hey, let me be part of your patreon for extra goodies each month, don't forget to share those unreleased switch games pls"

like, there's levels for these things

but sure, corporations have gone more hostile over time

[hearty hound]

its good too

if u can pay extra, why to not get advantages?) im getting always alpha builds for supporting. its nice to see first

[uncut storm]

if we were talking about other matter i'd see nothing wrong, but with these things? you make yourself a bigger target

Like, donating and getting beta releases it's one thing, but the small let's call it web of interest that this can cause, can be seen as a fantastic prey for corporations

again I am talking from the viewpoint of opening yourself to big problems

[oak stirrup]

And it seems like nintendo fanboys got brainwashed into such mentality

[hearty hound]

it doesnt work like that

only the developers are at risk if they are public

[uncut storm]

that's exactly what I was talking about, I was talking from the viewpoint of the developers

[hearty hound]

oh

[oak stirrup]

Paywalling emulator is such a stupid move regardless

[uncut storm]

I talked how hard working on emulators are, and how wanting to compensate them could be a good way to show thanks, but some avenues for that can lead them to issues

[warm wyvern]

Egg cough NS cough cough

[hearty hound]

i wish every high-demand emu will be payed ... and with online check licence ofc
To see high quality products, with a masive teams of developers

[oak stirrup]

They had big enough balls at least

[uncut storm]

I would agree, but I don't care much if alpha versions are shared among people that donate. To me it's like having people testplaying to have a better stable release

of course then cases like the yuzu thing happen and everything goes to shit

[oak stirrup]

With how rapid information can spread nowdays, and how easily the narrative can be twisted, still an unwise move

[hearty hound]

u realy believe yuzu stop developing?

[uncut storm]

You made me remember that embarrassing trend of bragging about emulating switch in social networks

[uncut storm]

Nope, I don't think that. But it'd be silly to negate that it was a mess

[hearty hound]

they just make appearance (most of main devs just combine with each other)

[uncut storm]

anyway, let's hope more info about the 557 comes out soon, I'll go to hunt some tigrex lol

take care

[spiral sonnet]

Word

[wintry lark]

I mean work isn't free, can't really say I blame them

[hearty hound]

@quaint jolt 6X
50-55+-
35-40+-
23-35+-

[hasty knoll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/Wnddz1z7zQ

wow I realized how late to the draw I was lol

fingers crossed they have some rg557s stocked in their US warehouses

[ruby skiff]

just a bit 😄

[vocal loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/Wnddz1z7zQ

Anyone see this yet?????

[crude mango]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/Wnddz1z7zQ oh crap guys it's joever

[stark cape]

[wintry lark]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-joe-biden-microphone-interview-walk-gif-2478024445377708296

[hasty knoll]

watch out every time we post it, it will add another month for them to undo the tarriffs

but for real hope all the US peeps got every thing they need now

[crude mango]

apple got exempt and ipads have retroarch now

[hasty knoll]

but it's not the same yeah definitely

[wintry lark]

"No one gets off the hook" except the ones that do

[thick sail]

No China shipments kinda sucks for the ali sales but 557 will still ship from US warehouse

They wouldn't send out review samples just to torture us

I hope

[ruby skiff]

Well, until the us warehouses run out of stock

[wintry lark]

It's joever

[tight cape]

you guys seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/Wnddz1z7zQ

[hasty knoll]

whoop that's another month

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-and-another-one-gif-13250129

[tight cape]

but in all seriousness

they either shipped a bunch in advance to their US warehouse or they don't think US sales are important

guess we are about to find out

[hasty knoll]

I hope for the good of this hobby as whole that US sales aren't too important for these companies

[tight cape]

I would bet my left nut they are not

muricans are just very loud, but don't necessarily represent the majority of the sales of these companies

[hasty knoll]

yeah I imagine domestic sales alone would far outshine US sales across the board but I wonder about the effects of part of the audience disappearing so suddenly for small(ish) companies

but that's a discussion for another time and place lol

[radiant meadow]

US SALES is important very important

[tight cape]

they'll take the hit but survive

my impression is that these companies can survive a bad year or two

Retroid is already thinking in +12 month timelines so

[vocal loom]

They could take a hit and US sales can also be very important. Both can be true

You never really want to lose a market. And Americans consume a ton

[tight cape]

you ever seen the reviews section of a handheld on AliExpress?

because let me tell you it's tower of babel in there

almost every language of the world represented there, very little English

not saying the US isn't important in the big scheme of things, just that you have to be open to the possibility that the US isn't the center of the world

[vocal loom]

That's a very different than you betting your left nut that US sales aren't important to these companies lol

[warm wyvern]

Retroid in 2 months went through the mini scandal , the refund scandal , now the kits , producing custom OLED screens , CEO mortgage his home , social media guy got doxxed and now they can't ship to the US anymore

https://tenor.com/view/gil-gunderson-simpsons-janitor-fall-gif-13177654

[supple anchor]

Linux

Also release date when

[long chasm]

LINUX master race

[prisma seal]

2040 by this rate 😛

[kindred cove]

I think it’s cool of the retro handheld companies to go hard enough to have obvious fan boys, real commitment to the retro experience

[quaint jolt]

Thats aliexpress though. On Anbernic official website Americans are the #1 visitors. About 30% of their traffic is American. Obviously international sales don't compare to their domestic market, but if we are comparing overall international sales, America is important. Nobody is saying Anbernic is going out of business but they will take a large blow

[warm wyvern]

They will release when all the catalogue for this year arrives at the US warehouse btw , even the unreleased stuff will be shipped there

Source : i made it up

[lofty hound]

I COULDNT GET AN RG34XX IN TIME FUCK

[crude mango]

🇨🇦 it's nice

controls super quiet

[lofty hound]

I mean gba is good on trimui sp and cubexx, bur man I wanted that gba form factor.
And that transparent red.

It is what it is I guess

[lapis moat]

They don't have any in US warehouse? Sucks

[lofty hound]

They do on their website and Amazon, but it's more expensive their

[hearty hound]

even if they have, i think just doesnt ready for that ...

[lapis moat]

Hey at least it's available

[crude mango]

I went indigo for mine

[tight cape]

but to be honest, even if you are American and for whatever reason Anbernic doesn't stock their US warehouse, I wouldn't worry too much, resellers will get their hands on these pretty quickly and it's almost guaranteed that at least one of these will figure out how to circumvent the tariffs and ship to the US eventually

[vocal loom]

I mean id take Russ's advice and just chill and play for a while for sure lol

Realistically anyone in these forums has something to play lol

[zealous ridge]

since when is this hobby about playing games

[silk sable]

You guys put games on your devices?

[crude mango]

hey winlator 10 supports mali

[hasty knoll]

it hasn't before?

[crude mango]

nope

I think you could technically use it but officially it was not supported at all

but now it is

[ionic hornet]

Mali for DXVK?

Wait so winlator 10 is the last version?

[hasty knoll]

say what

[hearty hound]

gamefusion also

[ionic hornet]

in the past mali gpus didn't support dxvk in winlator

which mean no modern games

[hasty knoll]

right I was wondering if this is really the last winlator version

[silk sable]

Last version before the next version comes out

[oak kernel]

since when?

also is winlator just windows for android?

so like i could do anything a windows computer do?

[crude mango]

since version 10

[crude mango]

no, it's a prepackaged/configured WINE type deal to run windows apps on android

[uncut storm]

Well that's good news

[oak kernel]

someone needs to try it out

[uncut storm]

Yup. If i could play outrun 2006 on this it would be amazing hahaha

[radiant meadow]

Wait what

[uncut storm]

https://github.com/brunodev85/winlator/releases/tag/v10.0.0

Added support for Mali devices

Implemented textureCompressionBC for devices that don't support this feature

Added fixes for vertex explosion for Mali devices

[radiant meadow]

RAHH

So should we add winlator to rg557 list or too soon

[zealous ridge]

it will probably work, so why not, now only CEMU needs to work things out

[uncut storm]

But what has been shown about wiiu? I only saw the small part where a spiderman game was tested and seemed fine

[ruby skiff]

ew amazon

[oak kernel]

400??

[crude mango]

Third party Amazon seller scalp price

[past tulip]

Third party markups wouldn't even be so bad if the fuckers actually kept stock on hand, but with that shipping time they aren't even rushing to order one when you give them your money

I bought an rp3+ off amazon and it was about 10% markup, but was next day delivery with prime

[oak kernel]

we still havent gotten a release date right

[uncut storm]

No, we don't

[zealous ridge]

it will just be out in the wild like next week

it's Anbernic after all

[past tulip]

Yeah, their usual new launch schedule being announce vids, reviews and ship all done within a couple of weeks

[kindred cove]

I’ll be curious if they did load up the us store and final price via that store

[ionic hornet]

https://youtu.be/cEsA-NMPCRM?si=lH7LQYpwtDtbNgQh

@vocal loom

[vocal loom]

Dude

that shit looks fucking gorgeous

Holeeeeeeeee

[tight steeple]

What about the portal though?

[vocal loom]

I feel like I've said this so many times lol

Me getting the rg557 whenever that is is purely to see if I would consider it a 10/10. 100% A luxury purchase whenever I do lol

[tight steeple]

That’s crazy

[hearty hound]

yikes even on aethersx2 it lose to pocket 5 (that surprise even for me) is it really for emulation?)
im sound like a mtk hater, but no ... i like those socs, but too much low sides in this case

[ionic hornet]

who

[hearty hound]

557

[ionic hornet]

asked

[crude mango]

I wish the 557 had the arc/406h/cube dpad

[tight steeple]

Or even 406H sticks

[past tulip]

Is there any device where you wouldn't say that though?

[radiant meadow]

Oh dear

[tight steeple]

This refresh feels kinda lazy

I mean

It is lazy

[crude mango]

no

floating dpad is best dpad

[tight steeple]

Flipperinos

[radiant meadow]

It's not looking good at all

[hearty hound]

fact

[hearty hound]

true, but how it feels ...

[past tulip]

As long as the sticks are good and work properly, them being shorter than the 406V/H sticks is fine and just a preference thing rather than an actual problem

[radiant meadow]

It could be ayaneo pocket air situation when they have compatability issues with drivers but got fixed after this

[warm wyvern]

Mate just get both 😅
I am waiting for the Flip 2 and if Anbie releases a V of that model i am getting one too 😅

[vocal loom]

I am lol

[radiant meadow]

But I don't feel confident when it comes to anbernic

[hearty hound]

uh im trying to compare in my head, how perform my old phones, and seems like even 855 (850mhz) Mi9T pro with gpu overclock will beat that 8300 in ps2, if i remember right numbers, eh ... drivers is everything nowadays (and that sad) turnip ofc

[tight steeple]

Yeah don’t worry anbernic is known for releasing OTAs frequently to constantly improve their handhelds even after the initial release

[vocal loom]

Tbf that's quite literally what most people wanted. Better sticks (which it's looking like is technically correct lol), better chip, likely better wifi, everything else keep the same

[tight steeple]

You’re not wrong, I feel like I actually said the very same thing 2 weeks ago

#🔥│upcoming-chat message

There we go

[vocal loom]

Lol

[radiant meadow]

I hope that's true because God of war 2 can run d8300 no problem which again it's new chip that anbernic using

[past tulip]

I think I feel fairly confident about their XX models, they have locked in their process on that tier, but they seem a bit more all over the place with the dearer android ones

[ruby skiff]

yeah, gonna hold off on this

anbernic don't really update stuff that often

[tight steeple]

Maybe gamma can fix it or like borrow drivers from somewhere else

Hope their other release in may will be a xx line refresh

That’s where anbernic real potential lies

[ruby skiff]

needs to have that unlock bootloader first, and will take a long time most likely

[tight steeple]

unless..

yeah nvm

It’ll take forever

[radiant meadow]

You see the problem is why anbernic should have optimization the software in the first place

[ruby skiff]

given we havent got it yet for the t820 yet, it'll be a while to get it on this

[ruby skiff]

yep, but why put in the work 😄

[radiant meadow]

They are doing the same thing like rg505 rg405m

[past tulip]

An XY line with the brick's screen, the classic's square one, the 4:3 from their 406 models and the 3:2 from the ayaneo would be a nice selection of mid-tier models with a mix of V/H/SP form factors

[tight steeple]

I want this, but from anbernic

406H screen and A527

[hearty hound]

can, 2x on that big screen it wont look good

[ruby skiff]

welp, this one is off the list for me 😄

[tight steeple]

And the 3,2“ 1024x728 screen as well, yes

[past tulip]

It would be a good combo and no need for them to refresh every XX either, some would be complimentary option at entry-level

[hearty hound]

eh, it doesnt sound cheap now

a527 with good screen panel, and seems like good materials

[tight steeple]

refresh the 40XX-V please

[radiant meadow]

Wait is russ used Vulkan on ps2 and gamecube

Let me ask him

[past tulip]

Being disappointed by that screen would seem to be a good indicator that the person commenting had never seen it and just saw it wasn't oled.

[wary tiger]

From reviews, the one in 406V does seem to have some calibration issue with the gamma curve or something. The brightest and darkest parts ' details looks abit crushed sometime to me.

[zealous ridge]

yeah they did some re-calibration on the 406h, so that's a bit better

[spiral sonnet]

What's up with the high end performance on this? It's not really what it should be, especially the GoW2 and Mario Sunburn tests

[zealous ridge]

yeah, d8300 should actually handle 3-4x on GCN/PS2

[lapis moat]

Russ weirdly chose not to use the 3668 build of Aether in his vid but he mentioned he'd be testing it later. Chances are 4248 just isn't the right one

[spiral sonnet]

I'm going to pin it on software

Since on paper what progamer said

D8300 should do majority of GCN at 4x, lighter games at 5x even

And 2.75x-3.5x for PS2 should be easy

The 3dmark score gap between the d8300's gpu and the a650 will back this up

Even accounting for turnip drivers, since I think russ only uses the turnip drivers for switch/wiiu testing(??)

[lapis moat]

The compatibility will matter a bit more for GC texture packs but for PS2 yeah it's clear

[hearty hound]

😄 yeah in GOW 2 OFC

[spiral sonnet]

RP5 runs Mario Sunburn at 2x 60fps according to Russ

[vocal loom]

https://youtu.be/eYNkMhQghnk

[spiral sonnet]

D8300 is struggling to pull 30fps

[narrow eagle]

breaking news reviewer doesnt tinker

im shocked by this news

[hearty hound]

Ow prime ... nice brb

[vocal loom]

Oh lol I mean I get both tinkering and not tinkering

[stark cape]

What is Mario Sunburn

Is that just a funny name for Sunshine

[spiral sonnet]

Mario Sunshine hack

[narrow eagle]

romhack that makes it better

[lapis moat]

That's exactly what I mean yes

Again just wait for them to try 3668 and compare apples to apples

[spiral sonnet]

Still would have liked to see 3-4x on GCN/Wii testing

[stark cape]

I'm actually really interested in seeing what these sticks might look like in a teardown

[narrow eagle]

isnt it just a first impression

[spiral sonnet]

True

Think eta's using 3668, 3x opengl is an absolute breeze for gow2 here

[hearty hound]

hmmm alr 3x handle, open gl saved

[lunar python]

woow the purple is beautiful in sunshine

[zealous ridge]

I tested quite a bit of GCN on my phone and 4x usually shouldn't be a problem tbh, but unlike Russ on the 557 CEMU doesn't starts games at all

[lunar python]

I wanna buy this so bad

[vocal loom]

Yes dude that shell looks crazy good lol

[lunar python]

seeing the shell in dark rooms was like whatever, it looks almost black. But in sunlight it is glorious

[zealous ridge]

clear purple one will feel like shit tbh, I already hate this kind of clear plastic on controllers

[narrow eagle]

nope

[lapis moat]

Really doesn't feel that bad

[narrow eagle]

straight up being reddit

the 556 blue is nice feeling

[lunar python]

different strokes for different folks

[vocal loom]

Yeah lol dude that plastic to me genuinely felt amazing

Very love it or hate it seemingly

[tight cape]

damn that is actually fire

[lunar python]

it's from RGC new vid

[stark cape]

So, do we think the TMR sticks were originally designed for the Switch?

Gulikit has made them before

[proper flicker]

I mean, I was a bit worried about glossy cheap feeling clear plastic on the atomic purple 406h, but it's honestly very nice to the touch

Anbernic did leave some fucking factory dust behind the back and I did break one clip opening and closing the shell to clean it, but that's another story

Oh nvm seems like they're using a much glossier kind of plastic here

[hearty hound]

O_O

first gamepad with TMR

nintendo do actualy nothing, just grab

[stark cape]

I meant something like these

[hearty hound]

yeah gulkit mod, it also first if forget about chinese nonames

[stark cape]

Since Russ said they had a lack of range and felt somewhat similar to Joy-Con sticks

[hearty hound]

hall effect sticks almost died, TMR already not the best

[wary tiger]

I don't think the one on rg557 is tmr, though I am not convinced it is better than TMR, at least for now. Most of the bigger controller brands with some of the most expensive controllers still don't seem to be leaping on this digital capacitive yet.

[hearty hound]

end-game atm (capacitive)

[icy perch]

The caps look really small, and far too recessed. It does look like they are can be replaced. (cable placement looks to be the same as in the 556 since we can see through both devices) I replaced my 556 sticks within a week of having it with Gulikit hall ones. I will most likely order replacements when I order the 557

[broken geyser]

Odin portal for highest level emulation and rg406h/v for crisp 4:3 ps2 and below imo. Seems like this misses on several points. I'm going to skip buying myself

[lunar python]

Stubbs liked the sticks even though they are tiny

[wary tiger]

Still waiting for official rp5 grip information to see if it's worth replacing the rp5 with this

[icy perch]

saw that....Russ didnt like them for the same reason. LOL

[icy perch]

rp5 has better compatibility, with its Snapdragon chip. It will probably out preform the 557 despite its higher horsepower on paper

[lunar python]

100% keep your rp5 and buy a grip. [This](<https://www.etsy.com/listing/1847697839/felt-retroid-pocket-5-grip-2-in-1) one is highly reviewed

[wary tiger]

Power doesn't matter for me in this case since i already have an O2 pro. Main reason for rp5 was for a smaller (compared to deck OLED) OLED device that are mainly used for n64/PSP/DC and below (still have some lighter PS2/GC stuff there to free up the storage on O2).

But the rp5 is really uncomfortable to use for me.

Hated the ergo on rp3+, thought the rp5 would be better with the inbuilt grips but ....🤣

[lunar python]

rp5 regularly sell at the lowest for $200 shipped in #1118633698179428362

[uncut storm]

Is the odin 2 ergonomic?

[zealous ridge]

I mean... I doubt this will be more expensive than the RP5 tbh so even if the Mali drivers give some issues it should be a competitive alternative

[zealous ridge]

Odin 2 or Odin 2 Portal?

[uncut storm]

2 normal,

[lunar python]

people complain about input latency with odin 2 normal
and there's much better screens available

[uncut storm]

Really? First time I read about it

[wary tiger]

Not as comfortable as something like the deck or a proper controller, but still better than most smaller devices.
Think not as good as the portal with grip and probably the rg556/557 though from what I see (don't own these).

[uncut storm]

Thanks

I just watched russ video on 557, and i was curious

[icy perch]

Rp5 with grips is way more comfortable than without. My 556 is way more comfortable that the rp5

[wary tiger]

Yea, that is why I still hold on to the rp5 for now, hoping for an official grip on par with the portal one. They said 3rd party ones have risk of cracking the glass?

[uncut storm]

That full front glass is more of an inconvenience than anything

[zealous ridge]

yeah hard plastic clamping onto the glass front is kinda iffy

[icy perch]

I put a full glass screen protector on it, and I have had no problems with them. 3d printed, got from etsy. They are not super tight, but hold solidly

[zealous ridge]

I mean it would still be neat if Retroid does an official grip for the RP5 tho

[lunar python]

I don't really see that being reported. This guy cracked only the screen protector because it added some thickness. This post addresses concerns

[uncut storm]

Or just design things better next time...

[zealous ridge]

I mean, the design isn't bad per sé, but it's more focused on being compact than ergonomics

[lunar python]

right now it's only early impressions videos out. I hope in the full reviews, mali drivers are implemented to the fullest and switch performance improves

[uncut storm]

I guess so... But being compact isn't much of a great thing when people find it hard to use and add an accessory to it make it less compact in the end.

Russ' video wasn't a great showcase for the 557... we'll see if things change for the full review.

[ionic hornet]

I thought it was great

[zealous ridge]

I don't think it's hard to use, but yeah a few more mm in width to add more inset to the sticks would have made it better too IMO, personally a grip akin to the Portal 2 one that doesn't adds much high but only a lil width would be good 🤔

[uncut storm]

How so?

[hearty hound]

grips should be detachable for normal transportation, without wasting more space

[uncut storm]

That sounds nice but sounds hard to implement

[wintry lark]

https://tenor.com/view/unsrscandidate-the-deep-the-boys-gif-3571530398639127156

[wintry lark]

🤷‍♂️ I mean probably not as good an oled still

[hazy goblet]

The slowdown in PS2 and GCN emulation are super weird in RGC video, i wonder what performance profile Russ tested these on

[lapis moat]

#🐈│retro-game-corps message

[hearty hound]

just wrong settings, 8300 can handle 3x with right in GOW2

[wary tiger]

won't call it "wrong settings", more like use a lighter version of the emulator

[hearty hound]

it exact settings

[wary tiger]

if you call this using wrong settings, we would need to test dolphin etc with those older mmjr/mmjr2 builds

[hearty hound]

they use the same build

[hearty hound]

ishiiruka best

[wary tiger]

are you talking about eta prime vs russ? i dont think the eta prime one shows the build/version

[hearty hound]

yup

it use defoult

always

[wary tiger]

there is no indicator which aethersx2 or nethersx2 version is used in eta prime video though

i mean there is plenty of nethersx2 (with different gameDB which affect advanced backend settings/options etc)

[hazy goblet]

Yeah, what I meant is Anbernic used to have performance toggles in Android, during t618 and T820 the higher performance mode was called "High Mode" I believe.

[prisma seal]

250 dollars for this?
ETA powerhorse my Danish-ass 😛

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-dr-bones-spock-look-stare-gif-2949609057232605370

[zealous ridge]

I bet this is way less than $250

[uncut storm]

So the performance in russ video is not accurate?

[tribal brook]

I want the Rg Cube body with 16:9 or 3:2/5:3 screen rácio,5" to 5.5" size ... With A527, with Linux

[zealous ridge]

you can get a Poco X6 Pro for 220-230€ fully taxed and shipped here in the EU, my guess would be $189-199

[zealous ridge]

this should be able to do more, CEMU/SWITCH/WINLATOR aside

my phone using the same SoC runs most GCN/PS2 stuff at 4x

I'm just pulling over Rogue Leader for the lolz

[hearty hound]

switch and winlator, u crazy ... 4x ps2 too

max it can 3x in god of war 2 stable at first location (its not the most demanding part of game) and light switch games

[zealous ridge]

I said most

[zealous ridge]

okay, Rogue Leader still runs like ass

[desert lotus]

Had this issue with Alldocube Turbo tablet. The 6 gen 1 chip can easily do gamecube. Used phones with same chip. But the android build on the tablet they had borked it. Causing gamecube to be a slideshow. Maybe similar things happening here? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[zealous ridge]

even at 2x you get some dips is game speed, albeit I would say it is playable, switching from 3rd to cockpit view is really breaking it

[zealous ridge]

I mean from what I saw on Russ's video it may be the case that Anbernics android build limits what the SoC theoretically can do, not that there is any need to push 4x on the screen

[desert lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-12602848223923095615

Hopefully a pre-release update could help things

[zealous ridge]

but yeah stuff like Rogue Leader regardless runs like garbage, while I do other stuff at 3-4x + 2x full screen anti-aliasing that is barely running acceptable at 2x in OpenGL and 4:3 (forced 16:9 borks it )

[uncut storm]

you mean vulkan vs opengl right?

I guess will still have to wait quite a bit to get reliable information about the 557's performance

[hearty hound]

just watch performance on poco x6 pro / k70e

[uncut storm]

yes, I've seen videos

[hearty hound]

8300/ultra the same socs

[uncut storm]

and seems really decent

[hearty hound]

like i sayed) max ps2
drivers biggest issues on mtk

[uncut storm]

yeah, i also looked for the differences, they're meaningless

the video I saw ran wiiu

[zealous ridge]

how, my CEMU closes all games I try to start on the phone

[uncut storm]

switch it couldn't, but not that I care nor any device of this kind does it solid enough to matter to me

the video was linked here a couple times

hmmm

[hearty hound]

it could light games

like 2d/platformers

[uncut storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVMgV0738fc

sm3dw for is shown there

[hearty hound]

maybeeee in near future we will see normal pefromance on X86

bc of gamefusion (it support mtk at start, but just was cuted)

[zealous ridge]

unfortunately not how it's set up or which CEMU version is used

[uncut storm]

yeah, sorry I don't know either, as I said the video was linked here, that's how I found

[uncut storm]

I watched the video from ETA prime and gives an entirely different feeling from rgc.

Also, maybe it's the camera but on ETA's video there's no pwm.

[vocal loom]

PWM will exist on every single model

It just doesn't affect the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people

Again you would know if it bothered you by now lol

[glossy pond]

ah okay so the Russ vid confirms they downgraded sticks again from their last releases

kinda crazy to me how much back and forth there is with these devices

seems like they don't really understand what to match

[zealous ridge]

downgraded is such a harsh word

they god criticized for the sticks sticking out too far on the rg406h a lot

now that's the result

[glossy pond]

from my POV that is totally fitting, switch sticks are miserable - they feel extremely bad

[glossy pond]

yeah from people who apparently want to pocket an oversized handheld

who could have just bought caps that stick out less

[zealous ridge]

it's fun how they decided to listen to them with the rg557 which ain't going into any pockets

[glossy pond]

exactly

the range of motion makes it much worse tho than just the height

[placid condor]

The sticks on the 406V/H are weird, because when you watch a review video of them on YouTube they look way too tall and awkward, but then when you hold and use the device in real life they don't look too tall at all and feel just fine lol I use my 406V every day and in real life the sticks look and feel really nice, but then when I see it in a video they still look huge. There's this super weird disparity between what a camera shows and what the real world experience is.

[glossy pond]

I doubt the camera footage is distorted or anything, you just don't look at your device from the side holding it 10cm from your face

just a case where using something and experiencing it is actual testing while judging based on looks didn't work

[tribal brook]

From ETAs videos the Dpad seems very good.

[glossy pond]

same with how people said the steam deck doesn't look ergonomic with the layout but when everybody got hands on that fear disappeared faster than anbernic released devices in 2024

[placid condor]

That's as good of an explanation as any I've got! I wish they would have stuck with the 406V/H sticks, since the range of motion and precision on them is great.

[glossy pond]

it would have made the 557 way better imo, that handheld literally goes for ergo

[tribal brook]

i know that Russ preferes Retroid style of dpad but personally that was never my favorite.

[glossy pond]

so having switch style sticks on the 557 is going against every other design philosophy that went into that device

I mean the RP5 is less ergo focused but still uses better sticks

I saw nobody complain that the RP5 needs smaller sticks so you can pocket it more easily so why would it be true for a significantly larger device?

[glossy pond]

I mean ETA is not a reviewer, he is 99% positive about everything

[glossy pond]

personally I think the sega style d-pad anbernic used for a while was their peak

556 and 557 d-pad look more like a steam deck d-pad maybe not as clicky but I would def take a disk like the cube or 406h

[tribal brook]

I also would take the sega genesis/saturn disk pad.. but that's me. I agree with you about ETA. He is positive about most things.

[past tulip]

Seems more like they are simply changed rather than actually downgraded, they are just an easy target due to being different from the last ones

[glossy pond]

yeah changed for the worse, ofc it's an opinion but since there is no objective way to determine which sticks are preferable I think the word is fitting
it's within the context of my perspective

[past tulip]

seems like an unnecessarily pejorative description if you describe it as an objective fact rather than a subjective opinion.

[glossy pond]

I don't

[past tulip]

As far as Russ, he obviously had to find something to complain about when the device is literally what everyone asked for, same great ergo and screen, but better sticks and processor

[wintry lark]

yep, definitely not that the sticks are small and out of place

[glossy pond]

find something to complain about
seems like you imply some sort of bias, I think he just gave his subjective take

it's different for everybody, for the people who have 0 issues with switch sticks they can just ignore that others don't like them I guess

[past tulip]

He does seem to hold anbernic up to higher standards than some of the ewaste shite where he goes out of his way to find something nice to say about them

[wintry lark]

probably because they've been in the game for a while, and they also cost substantially more than most cheap devices

[glossy pond]

can't comment on that tbh, have not watched his reviews of cheaper no name handhelds

[radiant meadow]

I can't lie I get why he does that

[past tulip]

I'm fine with him finding fault with the anbernics, but he should put the boot in on the shite when necessary and tell people to avoid it rather than trying to make excuses for them

[radiant meadow]

Anbernic been longer than ayn or retroid so you expect Anbernic at least step up their game

It's not problem when it comes to their budget lineup

[glossy pond]

again I have not watched it but I don't think newer companies should get a pass just because they are new, reviews should take the side of the consumer

[past tulip]

I expect them to deliver, but it's dishonest to not call out everyone just to be consistent tho

[wintry lark]

I mean personally I am willing to give newer companies a bit of leeway

[past tulip]

You are not making recommendations to a wide audience tho

[glossy pond]

sure, you can do whatever you feel like with your money - if you make a review that should probably change or at least be clear

[radiant meadow]

Oh trust me it's the same thing with ayaneo the build quality is good but their software always sucks and never to fix it the problems

[wintry lark]

I mean I guess, but where do you feel like he hasn't done that?

[past tulip]

Just go back and see how many powkiddy lemons get downplayed as it's powkiddy being powkiddy or suchlike

[radiant meadow]

He always do that to each company

[radiant meadow]

Nah powkiddy x18s he didn't like that device at all

[glossy pond]

handheld reviews are a bit vibe based anyways it feels like, whenever nobody noticed the triggers on the 406H had different activation force despite taking about how d-pads feel for 3 minutes on some devices that was def a wake up call for me that handheld reviews are a bit more loose than what you would expect from a Gamers Nexus GPU review or something

[radiant meadow]

Only thing I would criticism for him is miyoo flip

And ayaneo dmg

[past tulip]

Fuck gamers nexus, that guy is so far up his own ass he's doing laps at this point

[glossy pond]

you can dislike him personally but at least his reviews are decent

[radiant meadow]

You see imagine gamers nexus review retro handhelds only ayn and Retroid would make a pass from him

[glossy pond]

I know people like infotainment LTT slop more but that's another topic

the people who prefer LTT might as well act like ETA prime does handheld reviews

[past tulip]

retroid, really, with their early batch issues?

[wintry lark]

true, I mean there is a lot of subjectivity when it comes to how much you'll like a handheld, it's not like a gpu where the only thing you really care about is performance

[radiant meadow]

Well retroid 50-50 most 20-80

[glossy pond]

for sure, yeah

[ionic hornet]

my gpu doesn't have anime tiddies 0/10 would not recommend

[glossy pond]

but also attention to detail, I had the false impression that handheld reviews were really careful when it comes to controlls but then nobody noticed the triggers on the 406H feeling different with the right one slightly grinding on plastic

[past tulip]

at least their stuff is relatively entertaining, gamersnexus believes his own hype too much and has forgotten that there should be more to videos than his agendas

[glossy pond]

that's an oversight I just didn't think would happen

[ionic hornet]

406 sticks weren't good

I'm personally glad they didn't use them on the 557

[radiant meadow]

Sticks is not the problem for rg557

[wintry lark]

ngl I think the reviewers were so burned out by the point the rg406h came out maybe they stopped paying as much attention

[radiant meadow]

As long the sticks are good

[glossy pond]

I disagree with LTT being entertaining but that's subjective
and I think an agenda that puts consumers first is what a lot of people want but I guess on the flip side a lot of people love to defend billion dollar corporations since they are emotionally tied to them for one reason or another

[past tulip]

That's a lame excuse, if they can't be bothered to do their job properly then just skip the device

[glossy pond]

what do you dislike about them? way more range of motion does feel closer to a full size controller

[ionic hornet]

they were too tall

[wintry lark]

wasn't an excuse lol, just saying wouldn't be surpised if that was part of it

[radiant meadow]

My problem is anbernic is not using the chip their full potential and the android build somehow not making the experience good it was the same thing when rg505 rg405m had the same problem

[glossy pond]

I mean if that's true they shouldn't be surprised their credibility took a hit xD

[past tulip]

He hasn't done that with many recent so-called exposes tho, like that manufactured drama with honey where he used it to target ltt because he has an axe to grind with them

[radiant meadow]

I don't blame them

[glossy pond]

LTT fanboy detected

[past tulip]

If you can't be objective about something then he shouldn't pretend towards pseudo-journalistic pretensions

[ionic hornet]

okay buddy lol

[glossy pond]

I mean yeah he could have said it differently but I don't care enough really

[radiant meadow]

You Want him to lie

Cmon

Let us be real

[glossy pond]

it was objective to say LTT could have warned people about it but choose not to, that's all he said

[alpine bronze]

Audio is a non factor, use earbuds like a normal person, the drivers issues can hopefully be tweaked eventually because iirc there's translation layers for dxvk and all that's left is bcn texture compression or something? Or maybe I'm oversimplifying it idk what else is at fault with Mali Gpus

[past tulip]

He framed it like ltt knew about the anti-consumer stuff, except that only happened long after they'd dropped them

[radiant meadow]

I don't know how Retroid make d1100 drivers good as hell

[ionic hornet]

audio isn't even a factor for me to consider on an android/linux handheld

[glossy pond]

ofc they knew, that's why they dropped honey

[past tulip]

It was anti-creator when they dropped it

[glossy pond]

wat

[ionic hornet]

unless a handheld can have better speakers than the claw I really don't consider audio when buying

cuz that'd just be unfair

[radiant meadow]

What about legion go or ayaneo pocket evo audio

👀

[ionic hornet]

okay objectively bad audio is bad yes

[past tulip]

The issue that got ltt to drop them was due to it losing them affiliates, harming creators, the stuff that got exposed more recently was that it had moved onto recommending worse deals to consumers

[warm wyvern]

Tbf we just know they rushed that device even with the 4 month hiatus

[wintry lark]

audio has never been a big concern for me in general for handhelds, I just don't care that much

[ionic hornet]

if i want stellar audio i use cans

[past tulip]

I wouldn't want the ayaneo situation with the pocket micro as far as audio, but beyond that I am not particularly bothered about audio as I mostly play audiobooks while playing on my handhelds

[alpine bronze]

It's not even that people don't care or that like, the audio is great on it, but aren't most people using more expensive handhelds like this gonna be using earbuds? Or is that not normal lol

[ionic hornet]

i almost never use headphones period

[alpine bronze]

I even use earbuds with my 40xxv half the time

[wintry lark]

I usually don't use earbuds with my devices tbh

too lazy

[ionic hornet]

earbuds at work and that's about it

and just one earbud

[alpine bronze]

I just prefer being more immersed in stuff ig, and my audio not being on speaker

[ionic hornet]

i like being aware of my surroundings

[radiant meadow]

It depends if I'm in the mood or not for using ear buds but as long sounds good decent enough then it's okay

[wintry lark]

I'll usually use them if I'm super invested in a game, like cyberpunk or hellblade, but other than that usually I don't

[ionic hornet]

Yeah retro games pretty much never

[alpine bronze]

Well, if you're being aware and paying attention around you, you aren't really fully invested in what you're playing no?

Idk maybe that's me

Can't really get into a game unless I can concentrate on it, if I get distracted I like

Lose a bit of interest or something

[ionic hornet]

If I’m at home maybe, out in public hell no I’d never cut myself off like that

[past tulip]

I think it varies with the type of game for me too, some you need the audio cues and others are fine even when silent

[alpine bronze]

I mean, I usually use one earbud if I actually need to be aware of my surroundings

[rocky nebula]

The first person that speedruns black ops on wii without being personally attacked by Mali drivers, small sticks, or that slowdown in Russ' video wins a good handheld

lets keep this contest clean. If you need Adderall, there's a bowl by the snack table

[alpine bronze]

What's the incentive

[past tulip]

Sticks/drivers that gave me an excuse not to play a console fps sounds like a plus point to the handheld. 😄

[radiant meadow]

At least all the negative little tweaking around the device can make the device better

[alpine bronze]

so im hearing like

wait 4 months, check in, consider purchase depending on scene

[vocal loom]

Yeah I mean realistically it won't change much. Get this device if you want a boosted 556 basically. Something that can have amazing power and ergos, but that you'll have to work with

[radiant meadow]

Positive thing is that for ps2 using 3668 would help d8300 because God of war 2 should run much better at 3x

[swift lava]

Mhm 3x gcn SD 1440p

I can't wait for benchmarks super sp perf is being written beforehand

[quasi seal]

Can you please give an example where I was dishonest or inconsistent, or making excuses for other companies? I'm having a hard time following all of these accusations and putting them into context.

I don't see it as holding Anbernic to a different standard, and I've never gone out of my way to find something nice to say about any other company; my standard is my standard. I will try to find the target audience for a piece of hardware, and will take price into account regarding my expectations, but that has nothing to do with the individual brand, but rather whether or not the device provides more value than not.

[quasi seal]

This is interesting, I hadn't heard that before. I just tested both of my RG406H devices and I am not detecting any difference between the two triggers, and certainly no grinding. I apologize for not bringing it up in my review, this is the first I'm hearing about it. Bummer to hear that it has colored your experience with my work.

[glossy pond]

yeah it's tough when a lot of assumptions have to be made, the fact that you just checked and didn't find anything has me believing it's not happening for every 406H device

it felt a bit bad when somebody brought it up when people were first getting the 406H devices and like 3 or 4 people here kinda confirmed they had that issue but no reviewer was speaking about it
that said even back then I said it's entirely possible that this issue doesn't effect every model, it can be easy to feel frustrated but yeah

[ionic hornet]

FWIW my 406H didn’t have any grinding on the triggers

But I have a friend who’s unit did

[radiant meadow]

@quasi seal also the chip d8300 have driver issues is it same problem you had with d1200 or this is like software issues?

[quasi seal]

To give you an idea of my review process, I spend about 10 hours per device just playing random games at various levels (retro to modern, different resolutions) in different contexts (with/without shaders, different scaling options) and positions (sitting, laying down, etc). I take notes the entire time, and make observations about the controls and ergonomics. Those notes then get bulletized which I will summarize when recording voiceover. It's probably not at Gamers' Nexus levels of review, but I do try my best. It's hard to anticipate future problems if and when I don't experience them, but that's also part of the review process -- I give it my best shot, and let the community take care of the rest, and amend when I can with follow-up videos when it gets to the point that it tangibly affects my review assessment.

[radiant meadow]

Because I don't remember d1100 rp4pro having problems likee this

[glossy pond]

you have probably seen what I said about the in depth d-pad comments a lot of reviewers make - I really like that.
I think at the time I was probably frustrated enough to entertain the idea "how high are the chances that out of 10+ reviewers nobody had that when 4 people in the channel for the 406H confirm it"
but I am very aware that we have to be careful just labeling people as shills, claiming golden samples, etc. so I think the way you deal with this stuff has always been the best way possible, if there is uncertainty there is good communication

[radiant meadow]

That's fair

Mostly of the time russ would always do the follow up videos as long I can remember

[glossy pond]

I was under that impression, and I think you do (and did) a great job, handhelds have a lot more subjective qualities to them so the GN comparison is not entirely fair I must admit.
The general statement I made probably is frustrating to read but given at the time people on this discord were talking about the trigger issue on the 406H and it seemed like no reviewer had a device effected and no response seemed frustrating - but things move very fast with so many devices releasing and it's possible reviewers just didn't run into the issue. My confidence in you noticing something like that is a lot higher than with some other people so I didn't think your device had the issue but thanks for confirming!

[radiant meadow]

But anyway I think we need more investigation on performance issues on ps2 and gc because God of war 2 should able to run 2.5x fine and mario sunshine 3x or more

[quasi seal]

It's hard to say right now, with the RP 4 Pro I had a week of testing before releasing the video (no initial impressions), and I only had a few hours with the RG557 before making the video last night.

This was VERY preliminary performance testing, the majority of my time prepping for the video was focusing on the most important parts of an impressions video -- controls, screen, etc. The chip will need more time to test, to find out how standard emulators perform and work through the issues as I encountered them. I tried to caveat that section several times by saying further testing is required, but I think people just ran with a few different stories based on their perception of that section. My point was that it's not going to be a catch-all experience for emulation, like how you can just turn on a high-powered Snapdragon device and just go. So I'll spend the time combing through the apps and settings to find the optimal result, but it's also important to highlight the pain points!

(I'm deliberately not trying to work today since I probably put in about 80 hours of work this week)

[crystal sparrow]

@quasi seal You are incorrect in the video when you say that the sticks are TMR. Capacitive and TMR are different tech. RG557 presumably uses the new JL16 sticks by K-Silver, the same as the one in the PXN 8K controller. You could try to do a teardown and place a magnet near the stick to see if it triggers. If there is no interference, it is neither hall effect nor TMR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDfG5l88YQA

[radiant meadow]

Okay thank you for answering I really appreciate it

[quasi seal]

Thanks for the clarification, I am reading up on the PXN 8K right now.

[crystal sparrow]

By the way, the Abxylute One Pro that you tested also uses the new capacitive sticks. It is the first handheld to announce the use of these sticks, but Anbernic will be the first to ship a handheld with capacitive sticks.

[quasi seal]

Those sticks are really great....they would have been excellent in the RG557 😄

[glossy pond]

I guess a more general statement that can be made is that with reviews of PC CPUs and GPUs like GN would do, we more or less expect low variance when it comes to product quality - they did a video showing this with a ton of CPUs in 2023.
Sure performance might vary a few percent points but no crazy outliers.

For handhelds where maybe 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 devices could have a specific issue it's not reasonable for reviewers to buy the handheld 10 times just to see if one of them is effected by some weird issue.
We probably have to acknowledge that we are dealing with smaller companies so the QC could be worse or it's just generally higher variance because there are a lot more moving parts, esp. the controls which do come with a feeling aspect once you hold it in hand.

It was unlikely but not impossible for an issue on a device to slip through the cracks and I don't think there is a great solution to this if I am honest.
As I said it's unrealistic even for Russ to buy the same handheld many times to find issues only effecting a percentage of all the units being sold.

[quasi seal]

Ha, well you say that while I am sitting here with 9 different Miyoo Flips...video coming about that this week 🙂

But I do agree that it's hard for a single person to come to conclusions that require a consensus. I also generally work in a vacuum, so that I am not influenced by others.

[wintry lark]

Personally I can't wait for the Miyoo Flip V3

The Miyoo Flip V5 is going to have such a nice hinge

The hinge on the Miyoo Flip V8 is going to rival the V90

[crude mango]

by then miyoo will be competing with the anbernic 349sp or something

it'll emulate ps5

[storm gull]

There hasn't been a Miyoo product that has yet to woo me like most Anbernic devices.

[supple anchor]

final? meaning no more development?

[rocky nebula]

My rg556 replacement battery arrived today. Now when the first gives out, I'll have 1-2 more years of play

I wonder how many long-term 557 owners emerge from this.

[kindred cove]

I’ve given it some thought and I’m going to treat my 556 like I have treated every iPhone I’ve ever had — don’t replace it until it breaks. On a 12 mini currently. Maybe I can hold out for 558 or 9 🤞

[uncut storm]

...Thins got a bit heated while I was sleeping, huh

[uncut storm]

Well, that's what it says, but who knows

[rocky nebula]

Yeah, a lot of unchill going on.

[uncut storm]

I guess it will take a couple weeks to start seeing the real performance of this thing

[rocky nebula]

here's the thing. lemme introduce some basic thinking.

you buy it, right.
you put your favorite games on it.
and you play it.
And if you have any doubts whatsoever if it can play some meme game that breaks computers, just ya know, download and test that out. maybe even post some footage on streamable.com

like, this doesn't have to be an endless cycle of armchair circlejerking.

[fleet storm]

I'm doing this with my GPD XP+

[ruby skiff]

Huh some angry little people in here while I was asleep 😄

[real ermine]

any TLDR what i missed

[ruby skiff]

You assume that a lot of people in our hobby are capable of basic thinking 😛

[uncut storm]

That's fine and dandy, and what I'd like to do, but before buying I'd like to know what to expect and if the reasons why I want it in the first place work.

I don't want, i don't expect this or any device to start emulating switch, ps3 or whatever ridiculous thing some demand, but if I see footage of the "ceiling" i want (gc/wii/ps2) having issues, i will have second thoughts at least until a good analysis has been done.

For the record i never had one of these things before.

[oak stirrup]

So basically some really well-educated people accused Russ for being a shill for not explaining things they wanted to hear

[real ermine]

shill so like the 557 is really good?

genuine question btw havent watched any of the 557 reviews so

[oak stirrup]

The review was fine, typical Russ review

[thorn garden]

its not bad, but its yet another case of why did anbernic do this

[uncut storm]

...then again, it was a first look video. It,'s rushed like many of them are, they will miss things.

The thing is that in other video the machine is seen working better than on russ' video.

[real ermine]

so howd some people accuse russ of being a shill? to what device/company?

[oak stirrup]

Him not being too critical towards Anbernic for their "half assed" efforts

[real ermine]

i assume the half assed is 557 basically being a 556 w/ an upgraded SOC?

[oak stirrup]

As if other brands put more efforts to begin with

[uncut storm]

And better sticks

[real ermine]

oh cool new sticks

[uncut storm]

And more ram

[real ermine]

so like how is the 8300 in actual use

[uncut storm]

That's the thing. You can find videos of how it works on phones, and can be quite decent, but as of now on 557 might not compare to that and we don't know if it's the android version in it that might cause issues, o something else, or just poorly set up emulators...

[oak stirrup]

"In my test emulating this specific game with specific emulator at specific version, it was choppy and did not perform well. But russ didn't say anything about it, therefore he is a shill."

[uncut storm]

I don't get where in his video was a shill for anbernic, he was more critical than supporter

[real ermine]

this is kinda partly the reason i held off getting the XX6 gen of anbernic, too bad we didnt get a snapdragon for XX7 as well

[oak stirrup]

The mental gymnastic is impeccable

[real ermine]

holding on to my odin 2 until something similar to the odin 2 mini comes out with better screen body ratio

cmon ayn odin 2 portal mini

[uncut storm]

I am not partial to any company, i just want a solid all around device.

[oak stirrup]

People would blame everyone and everything but their impulse buying behavior

[ruby skiff]

In a few days they will have to make do with what they have already 😏

[real ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/special-ed-special-gif-14524557650897979460

[ruby skiff]

Ah remember when she was barely relevant

[oak kernel]

i have a question

why does mali gpu not have support

like is it a hassle? or they just havent gotten to it?

[quasi seal]

Actually for clarification I think people were saying the opposite -- that I am too harsh on Anbernic but don't have the same level of standard for other manufacturers. It's fine, I get how my assessments (and delivery) can be interpreted in many ways, especially in a quick look video where we're all still figuring out more about the handheld.

[oak kernel]

imma be honest, you look like you were about to crash out at the end because of how disappointed you were 🤣🤣

[quasi seal]

It really comes down to quantity of scale, Mali GPU phones/devices are a fraction of the Qualcomm/Adreno space, so developers generally focus their efforts on Snapdragon processors. Backend support from Mediatek is also rather poor

[thorn garden]

you did all but throw it at the wall

id say its not a bad device, but its full of choices that make you go "WHY"

[quasi seal]

I guess the way I saw it, Anbernic had 14 months between the RG556 and RG557, and the upgrades, while welcome, didn't push the needle as far as I would expect over that timeframe.

[thorn garden]

which is anbernics favorite thing really

[oak kernel]

yeah when put into that context, it is quite disappointing

[ruby skiff]

its Anbernic, since when have they ever pushed the needle 😂

[oak kernel]

really makes me second guess myself and to just go a rp5

[thorn garden]

556/557 for comfort, rp5 for performance

[quasi seal]

It certainly isn't a clear-cut advantage on either side, which is unfortunate. My job would be a lot easier if I could say, "hey this one is better!"

[ruby skiff]

plus it depends on what stuff you realllly want to play on em too

[oak kernel]

i kinda feel like rg557 might push more emulators to support mali gpus

[oak kernel]

true true

im just waiting and playing the handheld that i currently own

[ruby skiff]

yep 😄 and for those in the states, options gonna be pretty thin soon

[warm wyvern]

All they had to do was to use the sticks from the 406V/H in there and a midrange chip like the SD865.
No more and no less

[thorn garden]

yeah anbernic loves to make the "WHY" choices lol

[rocky nebula]

anbernic, send me a 557. i will make you a bunch of unvoiced gameplay vids of stuff and never answer questions in comments 😄

[warm wyvern]

I think he showed pretty much everything that is wrong with that device on the video lol

[real ermine]

shouldve just called it the RG556 pro/plus instead of an entirely new 557 generation

[oak kernel]

why does it feel like the rp4 pro is better than rg557 even thought its chip is "weaker"

i feel like rg557 if they get somemore updates on the software it could get better

at least i hope so

[ruby skiff]

anbernic does not believe in updates so good luck on that front 😄

[warm wyvern]

If i polish and put gas on my Nissan it will run faster and look cleaner than a Ferrari that was left to rust with no gas

[uncut storm]

I think you people are getting too ahead of yourselves. Did the rp4p play ps2 DMC at x6/x7?

I know it's "cool" to trash everything but the thing has barely been tested

[ruby skiff]

Join us next time on 'obvious statements' 😄

[hazy goblet]

To be honest I actually think you are correct cirtizing them, it all depends on a price if it's more expensive than Retroid Pocket 5 than there is something wrong with Anbernic. I think Moorechip brands are quite hard to compete with. Both Ayn and Retroid have killer prices for their performance and quality. Like when I saw your Flip 2 Review it was quite funny that it only really competes with the other Moorechip handhelds like Odin and other Retroids, they completely took over this segment of the market.

[ruby skiff]

anbernic isn't really known for having their products for cheap, esp the android lineup

[warm wyvern]

There's no competition in this market. Retroid has a ton of problems too , they pull out some shady stuff from time to time. But what they're offering is way better than Anbernic

[ruby skiff]

cough Mini fuckup

but as they have the new shiny flip 2, all forgiven 😄

[idle vortex]

really strong cpu

but can rg557 play switch game well like snapdragon 8+ gen1?

[stark cape]

Nope

That's one of the problems with it being a MediaTek chipset

It has the power

But since Snapdragon chipsets are so much more common, they're the ones that get all the focus with compatibility and drivers with emulators

[ruby skiff]

and in this scene if you don't have a snapdragon chip, you must be satan's spawn and break into people's houses

[stark cape]

It's true

After say, 2x resolution, people don't care about having that much overhead for GCN and PS2, I don't think

[idle vortex]

i'm not switch fan

[stark cape]

They want to move onto the next step, which is Switch, but the 557 can't really do that

[idle vortex]

i just play some old game like pes and diablo 2

[grave mauve]

pes is not pro evolution soccer?

[idle vortex]

yes, it is

i like to play pes2013

so i find a device can play both pes13 (winlator) and diablo 2 resurrected (switch)

really like rg557 form and i think it can play pes13 (like rg556 did)

but so sad maybe it can't play sw game diablo 2

[warm wyvern]

It's overkill anyways because the screen won't do any 4k
That's why the DMC at 6x thing is a meme

[uncut storm]

I mean, for a 1080p display i don't think the jump from x2 to x3 is big enough, much less going over that...

[alpine bronze]

What's the best kinda dock for this and the likes of the Odin 2?

Odin's own dock is a bit lame, no SD slots, no Ethernet

Probably the Jsaux 5in1 for the Deck?

The one for the Ally X is a bit better but like twice the price

[vocal loom]

Lmao this chat quickly just became people arguing about people arguing

I think Russ's video was fine. It's realistic in a quick use kinda way. If you want the absolute easiest/most compatible setup, get something else. Likely it will end up having amazing performance at many emulators, you'll just have to know some tweaks you'd otherwise wouldn't on snapdragon. And then of course at the very edge on rough emulators you'll have issues you can't solve

[vocal loom]

There's would be very unrealistic and I wouldn't go hoping for it

[oak kernel]

unfortunately yeah 😢

imma make my own emulator /j

[uncut storm]

Oof, good luck with that...

[uncut storm]

That's why I said it would take time to see it's real potential, and it's too soon to be discarded

[vocal loom]

Whatever you do don't make it public lol

[radiant meadow]

Yh I'm still getting rg557 because idk something about this device learning to how to tweak could unlock the device potential

[oak kernel]

yeah i mean rewatching the video, he really made it clear that he needs more time with the device and to give him a couple of weeks

[ruby skiff]

nono how dare you share your reasonable take 😄

[radiant meadow]

Yh he did say that to me

[vocal loom]

Whenever I get the device I'll just slap my 556 tweaks and enhance resolution lol. Should workout well

[oak kernel]

i mean he is getting thrown every single upcoming handheld. i was quite shocked to see rg557 review so soon

[uncut storm]

Specially since on other people's videos the perfomance was seemingly superior than in russ video. Different settings, different emu versions maybe, etc.

It's a new chip so you can't just go on to your usual checklist of things

[vocal loom]

I get people shouldn't have to mess around too much, but to me, wildly, I got insane satisfaction from learning what the 556 was and how to flex it's muscle. Luckily I saved those tweaks for future use, made me learn a lot about dolphin too lol

[ruby skiff]

People like being spoonfed and just want shit to be plug and play 😄

[oak kernel]

lowkey its just human nature to want thing already made for you

[uncut storm]

I mean, having to tweak stuff for it to work can be annoying, sure, but on the other hand, does anyone really expect that for more powerful systems it would be a "0 tweaks experience"?

Different games cand do things very differently, some require some settings on, others off etc

[radiant meadow]

I mean I don't blame them everyone basically suffered ptsd from t618 days even tho it was fun

[vocal loom]

Yeah but some systems you get closer to 100% no tweaks with raw power/snapdragon a la sd8gen2

[radiant meadow]

Absolutely no because even pc handheld can be powerful yet you have to tweak some games in pcxs2 like driv3r true crime new york of city

Same thing with xemu

[vocal loom]

Basically all I'm saying is, definitely have realistic expectations if you buy this, or genuinely, otherwise buy a portal lol

[radiant meadow]

Or classic words get a steam deck bro

Ahh good times

[vocal loom]

Sure but personally I only would do OLED now lol. But tbf I find decks ergos genuinely top notch

[radiant meadow]

Deffo need that steam controller

[oak kernel]

does anyone still play with the x55

cuz thats the only handheld i have HAHAHA

[vocal loom]

Powkiddy?

[oak kernel]

yeh

[uncut storm]

Yeah but sometimes there's things to be gained.

For example i like integer scaling for clear pixels, but many systems look small on 1080p because 224 scales poorly on that.

But with with a bit of tweaking and the shimerless sharp shader, you can get full screen and a very respectable, sharp output without shimmering pixels.

If I wasn't trying stuff i wouldn't have found it and I am quite happy with it, and I am sure that will look even better on a portable screen than on my monitor.

I get plug and play, but tinkering can be fun and informative.

[mild jungle]

It's not a terrible device really, it's just got a lot of QC issues

[vocal loom]

I wouldn't doubt some people do. They likely bought and got out of the community if they did lol, a one and done type thing

[mild jungle]

if you get a good one it's fine

[vocal loom]

Definitely not the normal mindset though, and we shouldn't ever expect that to change, but I agree if you enjoy it it can be crazy satisfying

[uncut storm]

I don't expect to convince others, just leaving that there as an example of my own experience.

I know most just "want thing, now"

[wintry lark]

Imagine wanting your device to work couldn't be me

[ruby skiff]

[ionic hornet]

Why would I want a device to work

[wintry lark]

I mean there's some fun to be had in tinkering but if I have to choose between two devices I'm going to choose the one that works more out of the box

[uncut storm]

You can't expect one generic setting to work on all. Heck, even on NES different games have different widths depending on the mapper, so if you like seeing garbage data on the sides you'll have fun

[ionic hornet]

You’re exactly right. I don’t hours of free time in a day to set shit up. Plug and play is nice

[ruby skiff]

oh i never said it was a bad thing 😄

[meager hatch]

Damn after watching reviews the small sticks really killed this for me , I agree with Russ 100% and Anbernic should’ve of used the 406V-H sticks .
I like my RG556 besides the sticks and was hoping those were a upgrade , in many ways they half assed it and made it even worse

[lofty prairie]

people cope about the 556 sticks so hard it's wild

they're trash and probably worse than an actual switch joycon implementation, the rgb rings block movement

[uncut storm]

But even then, how "hassle free" is rp5 with ps2/gc/wii? Because I've seen people say you need to keep changing the fan power, or that sometimes there are stutters etc

[radiant meadow]

I mean it would help people knowing how to tweak

[lapis moat]

I'd say by solving the snapping issue alone the sticks are still a net positive improvement, solving that was 2 steps forward even if the size is one step back. Idk how it can be taken as worse.

[meager hatch]

My only hope is they don’t screw up the eventual upgraded 407H- V and is just a SOC upgrade

[uncut storm]

Honestly i still think the smaller sticks are fine if the movement is registered well, and they seem to do

[lofty prairie]

it's funny to see the rg556 showcase vids and it all looks like they play on the dpad

[meager hatch]

One step forward 2 steps back on the sticks

[lofty prairie]

one step forward but the original was in the victorian era

[lapis moat]

Hey better is better. Is it 4-month hiatus with no news amount of better? No. But somethin

[meager hatch]

The new sticks might be slightly better but that’s really not saying much , there is no reason why they couldn’t use the 406H sticks , it’s not like the RG 557 needs them that small and low profile because it’s not pocketable

Anyway wasted potential and easy pass now

[uncut storm]

Slightly? Ignoring russ not getting over the size, they seem to work a lot better than the 556

Like sure, we could talk how they're not the 406 ones but throwing these out entirely feels unfair

Specially without trying them out

[fickle belfry]

The stick thing seems like ... these are way better but NOT IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY SO THESE STICKS SUCK!!!!11!!!1!

[lapis moat]

They're def not gonna satisfy everyone they won't be great for fps or some high end streaming so if that's what someone wants to buy a device for I'm sure they'll pass. But they're prob great for any emulation needs

[meager hatch]

Yes slightly , like I said one step forward and 2 steps back ,they are a improvement but they really could of been so much better.
Are you telling me they sticks used on the 406H wouldn’t of been a better fit overall ?

It’s not like they needed to reinvent the wheel all they had to do is use what they already had

[fickle belfry]

May end up being a pointless discussion anyway for those of in the US with Anbernic not even shipping devices here. I guess we still don't know if Anbernic managed to get anything to the US early enough. Because I am not paying more for this thing than I paid for my ROG Ally.

[uncut storm]

Seeing how you can find critiques about the size and height of the 406 sticks... maybe none is perfect?

[lapis moat]

One forward and two back would imply not an improvement, you're contradicting yoursef lol

Other way around

[ruby skiff]

well people in the us are likely to have bigger priorities in mind than their handhelds 😄

[uncut storm]

Yeah...

[meager hatch]

All Im saying is there is no good reason for them to be that small, like I posted earlier the RG 557 isn’t exactly pocketable.Not trying to kill anyone’s enthusiasm over this but it did to mine

[fickle belfry]

These cheapo devices being as expensive as a Steam Deck will just drive more people into Valve's loving arms ... 🙃

[uncut storm]

I can agree with one thing though, the caps should have been interchangeable

[meager hatch]

It’s a saying man that got the point across 🤣 your just nitpicking now

[uncut storm]

To cover any biases

[meager hatch]

[uncut storm]

Unless the sheer size of the thing makes them walk away...

[fickle belfry]

Bigger is better! 'Murica!

[uncut storm]

I mean, it can act as a blunt weapon so... Sure, Murica!

[lapis moat]

yeah it got the wrong point across because you used it wrong lol

[lofty prairie]

joycon sticks suck and the new sticks don't sound like an improvement over them beyond being capacitive

[meager hatch]

Not really one step forward being the are slightly better feeling
2 steps back are the fact you cant take them out and replace the shaft/tops completely and are smaller

[uncut storm]

Well, if we are going to be like that, the dumb gamer rgb lights are better than 556

[lofty prairie]

idk what's the last joystick people here used for 3d games like gamecube/ps2

[uncut storm]

So it's 2 forward and 2 back

[lapis moat]

Brother this isn't a debate, 1 forward two back is 1-2, in the negative meaning worse than previous. Literally just math

[drifting summit]

I'm confused by the conversation. Russ has the device, played around with the sticks, said they're too small and the range of motion is too small. That's a review, that's his opinion

[lofty prairie]

i replaced the rg556 sticks with tmr ones + tried all the variants of gamma stick fixes

[vocal loom]

Consider if this is worth it lol

[lofty prairie]

shit's fucked yo

[drifting summit]

or, impressions, not a review, but the same point

[lofty prairie]

can't rely on gamma to fix all the shitty android versions on devices

can't recall if he directly compared the new small sticks to joycon one in the video

[vocal loom]

Lol I think I'll just dip out these threads till I get the device some time in the future. It's just gonna be circular discussion till then lol

[lapis moat]

Idk what it is about new releases in this hobby that just turn off people's reasoning section of their frontal lobes, it's like seeing an accident on the highway

[meager hatch]

All im saying is I wasn’t a fan of the older 556 sticks and not a fan of the new 557 sticks for different reasons, it’s really not that deep and my opinion. Not telling people not to buy the 557 because in a lot of ways it does a lot right ( why I bought the 556 to begin with ) just not what I wanted to see with the 557 .
I do hope those that do buy are satisfied with them

[drifting summit]

My statmeent wasn't directed at anything you were saying, that made sense

[ionic hornet]

Or lack of performance

Or the disappointing screen resolution

[uncut storm]

Well, depends on what you want to do right? Isn't one of the most powerful handhelds still?

I ask honestly

[ionic hornet]

Not by x86 standards

[uncut storm]

I forgot the specs of that thing

It never entered my zone of interest

[ionic hornet]

In fact it’s one of the weaker x86 devices

Which is okay cuz that’s not what it’s aiming for

[uncut storm]

Oh.

[ionic hornet]

It’s an amazing indie machine, evident by my 90% indie steam library

[meager hatch]

Imagine that, people prioritize different things

When spending their hard earned money

[uncut storm]

Poor risitas, boiled down to an emoji

[radiant meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[fickle belfry]

The Deck does emulation better than pretty much all Android/ARM Linux devices, though ... which is what makes it relevant here.

[vocal loom]

Man does it have a putrid screen though

Worst I've seen since I can remember

OLED deck solid enough, LCD is bottom of the barrel

[fickle belfry]

I waited for OLED Deck to buy mine... And that thing is awesome to play PS2 games on. 🙃

[molten marsh]

I must be smoking crack or something lol, I have the LCD model and I feel like it's fine??

not amazing or anything

but just fine

[vocal loom]

It just depends on your definition. Obviously you can still play games on it and it's a great device overall. But it has sub 70 srgb coverage. And light bleeds out the ass

That is wildly bad

You can genuinely look at colors and see where definition is lost

[molten marsh]

maybe I won the screen lottery but I don't have any noticable light bleed

[fickle belfry]

To be fair, this is the Anbernic group where light bleed is just par for the course.

[molten marsh]

tru lol, my RG34xx has pretty bad light bleed ||and a dead pixel :(||

[vocal loom]

Dam

[rocky nebula]

It don't matter
NonE of this matters

[fickle belfry]

Nothing really matters. Anyone can see.

[fickle belfry]

Hmm ... Amazon resellers listing the RG557 for $360. That's going to be a hard sell.

[rocky nebula]

Old win600 pricing huh.

still not good. I can't even play Poker Night 2 on it

[drifting summit]

Strap in, that type of pricing might be the new normal

[wintry lark]

If that's the case then they can keep it

[molten marsh]

That might just be it's base price + tariff baked into its price

if I was to hazard a guess, anyway

[fickle belfry]

There's always markup on Amazon since these places usually have Prime shipping ... but yeah at this point it's probably that plus guessing what tariffs will be.

Anbernic will need to start putting sim slots in these things so that they can pretend they're phones for the US market ... 🙃

[molten marsh]

didn't trump axe that exemption days later?

I have a hard time keeping up lol

[wintry lark]

I think phones are still getting a 20% tariff

Though I think that applies to any product from China in general

[fickle belfry]

20% as opposed to 120%

[wintry lark]

They also mentioned plans of a semiconductor tariff

Holy shit have you guys seen this? 🤯 https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/ZQ3UNgkEd7

[lapis moat]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-16875499

[molten marsh]

I guess these things will just get sent to canada/mexico and then imported from those countries? Though that sounds like an obvious loophole to me

[uncut storm]

I guess smolstickgate is cancelled

Shoot

Wonder how many other niche interests are going to be this affected

[crude mango]

It’s going to go way beyond niche

[uncut storm]

Sure it will

[fickle belfry]

"Just use your phone" will become (even more) the norm here in US.

[meager hatch]

Screw Reddit , it's a toxic shithole but not good for our hobby overall.
Oh well

[crude mango]

Only if Apple stays exempt lol

[molten marsh]

a lot of people don't realize just how much stuff is produced either abroad or using materials sourced from abroad

[crude mango]

The only examples I can think of that are 100% made in America are the non-enameled half of the lodge cast iron skillet catalog and cotton t shirts made from prison labour

Even then the cotton probably uses imported fertilizer

[uncut storm]

And lard

[crude mango]

Same fertilizer issue for hogfeed

[uncut storm]

Aw shit

You are right

[molten marsh]

Even something like chickens, they might be fed with american corn, but that corn might be fertilized or treated with a pesticide which is sourced from another country

or the combine harvesters used to harvest the corn is made using components sourced from another country

it's all so interconnected

[lofty prairie]

potash is exempt

[fickle belfry]

Didn't Lodge get raked over the coals for making the enameled stuff in China when their whole branding was based on "made in America"?

[crude mango]

Canada is reserving putting an export tax on it as our nuclear option if the USA doesn’t back down

[crude mango]

Yup. But the only two countries on earth that make enameled cast iron are France and China.

[thick sail]

Canada only exists because it's close to america

Nobody would live in your ice wasteland otherwise

[fickle belfry]

Oh great ... now we're going to invade Canada for potash. 🙃

[lofty prairie]

mt dew and doritos are made in murca

[thick sail]

And lumber

[hasty knoll]

I don't like where this is going

[fickle belfry]

We should invade them for poutine instead.

[uncut storm]

I think I understand now the ironic "Man I love to keep winning" comments I see often nowadays everywhere

[crude mango]

A decades long insurgency followed by defeat again?

[uncut storm]

Like i got it before, but it really goes deep

[crude mango]

🇻🇳 🇦🇫 🇨🇦

[hasty knoll]

maybe but this is a post on a handheld with an oled screen and small sticks

[rocky nebula]

America is trash right now. Trade industry is basically dying. Truckers and stock trains are down to sub-covid 30% levels

[crude mango]

Honestly you’ve got the curds in Wisconsin and it’s not like America is incapable of making good gravy or French fries, surprised poutine isn’t a huge deal down there

[rocky nebula]

if there was a literal gravey train to canada, that would be great

[crude mango]

Up here it’s gotten so mainstream we have it at McDonald’s lol

[fickle belfry]

The cheese is in the North and the gravy is in the South.

[thick sail]

Southern gravy is white

That sausage stuff

[crude mango]

The gravy is in our hearts both metaphorically and literally

Wherever there are roasted meats, butter, and flour, the gravy can flow directly into our arteries

[rocky nebula]

I had loaded mashed potatoes last night at midnight from some diner. Chicken, corn, black beans, red bellpepper, and really old gravey

I hope I don't die from it

[crude mango]

Honestly it’s not authentic but I bet sausage gravy poutine would slap

[thick sail]

Honestly, sausage gravy would probably be better on fries than the brown stuff

It works for biscuits

[crude mango]

My only concern is that between cream gravy and fresh cheese curds my lactose intolerance would punish me

And probably punish everyone around me

[thick sail]

Lactose intolerance is a skill issue

[rocky nebula]

gassss

[uncut storm]

Punished Snack

[thick sail]

I definitely read about some girl overdosing on milk to build up her immunity and it cured her

[rocky nebula]

I too have exploded many toilets after pizza

[crude mango]

I watched a YouTube vid on that - it worked and she still didn’t recommend it due to how much of a nightmare the two week program of eating nothing but powdered milk was

[thick sail]

And I refuse to believe it wasn't real

[uncut storm]

I hope anbernic is reading on all this useful feedback

[thick sail]

She's gate keeping

[crude mango]

You’re basically forcing your gut microbiome to adapt to eating lactose

[thick sail]

Seems worth it

[crude mango]

I dunno, we don’t know how long the microbes will last after returning to a normal diet

[rocky nebula]

you're also keeping the methane industry alive at the same time

[crude mango]

You’re still missing the enzyme that lets you break down lactose in your stomach that comes from that one ancient Swedish dude (his descendants are the only actual lactose tolerant people)

[thick sail]

Swedish people are the best.
Meatballs, milk, IKEA

[molten marsh]

ABBA my beloved

[uncut storm]

Thanks for my cheese-eating passive ability, old sweddish man, i owe you some nice cheddar next respawn

[fickle belfry]

Mmmm ... gravy in the South:

... probably why the handhelds need constant cleaning.

[uncut storm]

I need to read about that, sounds mighty interesting

[rocky nebula]

That makes me rectum pucker

[thick sail]

Lima beans can ligma beans

Worst bean ever

[spiral sonnet]

The vomit reactions are from americans

[tight steeple]

Yeah that looks pretty fine to me

[rocky nebula]

i like the spanish version of that better

exchange the potatoes for arepas

the string beans for black beans and corn

[uncut storm]

Those drumsticks are too small though

[rocky nebula]

maybe those deep-fried plantain balls with the ground beef inside

sounds weird, i know, but it's sweet and crunchy on the outside and savory on the inside

[thick sail]

Those aren't string beans but still yes

Red beans and rice would be acceptable too

[warm wyvern]

Red beans or black beans with rice are the king

[meager hatch]

Lol . Us Europeans find that pretty gross looking too TBH like I'm sure some of our foods do to you

Last I checked Canada is part of America too.....North America

All kidding aside let's not make this thread about America vs everyone

[crude mango]

Don’t get me started on the entire concept of a “chip butty”

[meager hatch]

I'm scared to even ask

🤣

[crude mango]

Continental Europeans : North Americans = 🤝 dunking on UK cuisine

[crude mango]

It’s literally French fries and butter on white bread served as a sandwich

Vegemite is Australian isn’t it?

Marmite is the British one

[meager hatch]

It is

Tried it and it was like eating seaweed

[ionic hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-epic-embed-fail-embed-fail-gif-9875677717620262384

[meager hatch]

Actually seaweed taste better

[storm gull]

You could say that it's their Human Nature..

[crude mango]

Yeah nori is good

[meager hatch]

I clicked the wrong one

[proper flicker]

I mean, I like the gravy, I just don't understand why there are at least four kinds of carbs in here

There's mashed potatoes, mac'n'cheese, some kind of bread and the chicken also seems to have some coating

[storm gull]

Carbs are the backbone of American cuisine.

[kindred cove]

the bigbackbone

[vocal loom]

It's delicious

[wintry lark]

https://tenor.com/view/gojira-fmts-metal-france-cover-gif-16095414062237245331

[thick sail]

I was with you up until the point of counting fried chicken as a carb. If we're saying that gravy has flour in it too

[proper flicker]

Fair enough. I guess, the rest is just survival of the fittest (quite literally)

[proper flicker]

I just meant the coating on the chicken

[spiral sonnet]

Hahah I'm european too (the brits are coming)

[proper flicker]

As to the gravy — I mean, depends on how you make it. Gravy can thicken up if you just cook it long enough. Normally I don't add starch/flour unless I fucked up in timing

[thick sail]

Isn't that just meat juice? How do you make it gravy without the roux?

The main point is, lima beans are disgusting and should also count as a carb

Cause they're super starchy

[proper flicker]

Yeah, I was gonna mention the beans, just didn't know what kind of beans it was lol