Powkiddy RGB50

[lone wedge]

[shut cape]

All this needs is GBA 💯

[haughty patrol]

I mean, if this could play more that would be nice, but yeah GBA will be the main task

also a SoC that doesn't relies on Powkiddys horrid Android is better than more power tbh

[shut cape]

It would be nice but not even worth complaining about. Just gimme gba and good controls thx

[haughty patrol]

if it's on paar with the V10 I'm down

could also be the 2nd Powkiddy device I pick up multiple times, the colors are just nice

[peak dawn]

What’s the first one?

[haughty patrol]

rgb30

[lone wedge]

Why yellow though

Generic black would be better

[cunning crane]

False, bumblebee edition RGB30 is the way to go

[near nova]

For Fred Metal the only way to go

[vapid frigate]

Why does this thing cost almost $200 on AliExpress, and no kits are sold of it 😭

[vapid frigate]

Facts, I have his RGB3O as proof

[vapid frigate]

Stealing this Image, so good

[swift belfry]

I wanted one of those but it’s so chunky

[cobalt rose]

it is, but you get over it quickly due to the comfort

everyone, including me, looks at it and goes "ew its chunky" at first

[river ether]

Still hasn't said what KTR1 it's going to have. Oh well. More misinformation out of China.

[near field]

?

[river ether]

Nil used two different screens for the ktr1. So saying it's the same screens half true. The first gen one had lots of light bleed. Then he changed the panel.

[near field]

he never changed the actual display, he added a reinforcing frame to the display for later revisions to mitigate the way the paper thin shell would pinch at the edges of the display previously

iirc

pretty much none of these screens have light bleed when they're hooked up on a bench, it's usually caused by poor shell design putting pressure on the screen at the edges

[river ether]

No he said he changed the panel. Maybe Nil was lying. Who knows I am not on ktr1 discord anymore

[little timber]

Is RGB50 out yet

[river ether]

That not 100% factual either. Many screens have light bleed

[near field]

I've certainly never seen an example of it in a screen sitting loose on a bench

[river ether]

I have replacing cell phone screens.

[ivory kettle]

I have, although most of the time it’s because it’s a low quality display panel that has its actual metal frame putting pressure on the front of the screen (by metal frame I mean the one surrounding the display panel when you have it completely loose, not the one that’s used in the device for assembly), so I’d believe it if Nil said that and meant he swapped manufacturers to find someone that is better at avoiding those kinds of issues.

[icy venture]

The reason he swapped suppliers was because he had a massive failure rate with the first one. He did make some claims that the screens from the new one were brighter, but evidence suggests that’s debatable at best.

Those screens had great color saturation, but not so great contrast/black level floor. It was a common complaint on the blackberry too

Seems like a good chance ayaneo might be using this too, but unclear . So options probably at the low and high end that aren’t ktr1

[icy venture]

Hah and there it is. G3x g2

[wicked gulch]

G3x?

[lone wedge]

Wrong channel, one down

You misclicked

[tough agate]

can u check if the ace is taller than the rgb50? I'm not sure

[peak dawn]

The 3 horsemen of 3:2

[wraith fulcrum]

I'm starting to hate it when AN comes up with good devices 😄

Because it's like "well, you wanted it — go pay $350" with nothing inbetween that and the sub $100 heavily compromised devices

[vast karma]

I dunno. Sticks on almost all their crap are placed garbonzo

[cobalt rose]

I like the rgb50 better tbh

this will probably be the best thing powkiddy has made in a while.

Typical powkiddy to piggyback on open sources though. they'll probably wait till other units release and nab/mod their firmwares

[vast karma]

Lol. True

[sweet juniper]

they supposedly change to something like AYN/Retroid 's for the DMG, though need someone with one to confirm. Russ did mention its alot better than their previous devices

[vast karma]

Have both a DMG and RP5. You mean for the stick hardware? I was talking more placement so close to chin

[sweet juniper]

ah ok, thought you referring to the sticks themselves

[vast karma]

Nah. They're ok. With the DMG it's just the fact they aren't recessed. So sliding into pockets isn't really a thing. These don't look recessed either

[river ether]

RGB50 looks the best the ace just look off

[near field]

honestly from the pic the ktr1 is the best looking but unfortunately I know it is gonna have the worst controls of the three lol

hilariously enough if the rgb10x and v10 are any indication the powkiddy will probably have the best dpad of the three

[lone wedge]

WTF are those sticks

The ace

What are those?

[ivory kettle]

Well, I wouldn’t say that exactly, considering the AYANEO Pocket Micro had a legit pretty nice D-Pad and buttons, so if they also have the same membranes and internal design it could legit be better than it.

Of course, they could also use the Evo’s D-Pad and buttons, which would apparently not be the same…

[wraith fulcrum]

I've just been browsing through retrocatalog, did they really just preload Gamma on this?

[ivory kettle]

No, pay attention to it saying “Custom OS” next to that.

[wraith fulcrum]

Ooops, sorry

Long day

[cobalt rose]

Yes, but no

[broken shuttle]

this is gonna be like $400 isn't it

and meanwhile Powkiddy's will be like $120

[icy venture]

At least around dmg, $330-$350 I reckon

[wicked gulch]

rly hope pwkd keeps it 100 or less

this is the device im most excited for

big screen w

[broken shuttle]

do we have any idea what the 527 performs like? I saw somethign about it literally just being 8 a55 cores and that's disappointing to say the least, if true

[wicked gulch]

comparing it to a retroid would be helpful

i know theres a benchmark site but i dont know the name

[broken shuttle]

well the rk3566 is FOUR a55 cores

so there's your floor

oh here we go

a527 performance right here, it's in the GAMEMT E6 MAX apparently already

oddly enough, seems quite similar to P65/T610 level performance. RP2S type perf

[cobalt rose]

THis chart is accurate. the only thing not tested so far is Vita

ps2, for what I've tested starts to cap off at Phantasy Star Universe and .hack IMOQ(F).

[broken shuttle]

frankly if it barely handles 3DS I wouldn't get my hopes up for Vita lol

Vita is closer to PS3 than it is to PS2 from what I understand

[cobalt rose]

'barely handles 3ds' isn't entirely accurate. It plays Mario 3d Land, Mario Kart 7, and Luigi's Mansion at hugging full speed

there is an upper limit around DOA Dimensions where games start running at 80-90% speed, but much of the library is underneath that mark

https://youtu.be/1jmeVBs_zEY

[broken shuttle]

that's dope

just keep in mind that's effectively 172.8k pixels while vita is 522.24k

[cobalt rose]

yeah, its kinda impressive for a bunch of shitty a55 cores

[broken shuttle]

so like, triple

could be interesting though for sure

I'm very intrigued by this device regardless

I always wanted a KTR1 lol

the display was the main selling point

[cobalt rose]

weirdly enough 3ds runs better than gamecube. I did the whole intro of Luigi's Mansion and it only stutters in cut scenes

[broken shuttle]

that makes sense

game cube is 640x480

307.2k pixels being rendered per frame

78% more than 3DS

[cobalt rose]

yep

[broken shuttle]

Dreamcast is a unicorn console I swear

[cobalt rose]

dreamcast gets a free ride. just install redream and go. everything just works.

THe big thing i noticed with n64 is -no more rockchip render glitches-

flickering walls and seeing through geometry... that crap

[broken shuttle]

the first console to primarily output 480p, the first 6th gen console, yet somehow it still looks THE BEST in a lot of games relative to its 6th gen counterparts

[broken shuttle]

that's wonderful news

[cobalt rose]

https://youtu.be/sQK3zY2NtRo?t=6
here is the beauty of luigi's mansion

[broken shuttle]

yeah lol

not loving the audio artifacts

[cobalt rose]

yeah, that's just azahar. it's still a young app

[broken shuttle]

stoked to see it mature over time

[tough agate]

How much do you expect the rgb50 to cost?

[near field]

$99

[tough agate]

that would be pretty insane

[broken shuttle]

This display isn't 120hz is it?

[near field]

No

[broken shuttle]

Confirmed I'm still getting a 34xx lol

[tough agate]

is blackframe insertion really that important for yall?

I've never used it but I don't think I'm missing out on that much

[small mulch]

It deserves a gyro. Enough said.

[tough agate]

Eh, I wouldn't lose any sleep on it. But it would have some little usage

[broken shuttle]

I want the most authentic "modern" GBA experience possible, and it happens to come with the effect of also bringing a super authentic SNES experience to the table which is probably my next favorite retro handheld lol

[wicked gulch]

Sacrificing a whole inch for bfi is bold

Idk if I could

[tough agate]

yeah there is no fucking way

[quasi vortex]

Then again not at 60fps?

[tough agate]

why would anyone take the blue instead of the green?

I don't think 120hz justifies the huge difference

not to mention it's 480p vs 1080p

gba specialist vs handheld that is good for everything

[quasi vortex]

Looks like 30fps

[quasi vortex]

Sega Rally 2

[broken shuttle]

oh to be clear I'm still very much interested in this. Just don't think it's an instead of the 34xx, more of an as well as the 34xx

[vapid frigate]

Flycast SA > Redream. Learned that the Hard way on Android after Paying for Redream Premium

[tough agate]

I think that's fair. I myself do not see the appeal in the rg34xx because I have no nostalgia for it and I do not really care about 120hz. So in that case I think it is clear why something like the rgb50 would be much more appealing.

It is functionally a better handheld.

[quasi vortex]

IIRC redream is faster for lower end devices?

Would use flycast anywhere else though (i.e. t610/p65 and above)

[vapid frigate]

Oh dang, this I was not aware of. Ty for info! Wish it could play Intrepid Izzy & Alice Sisters, both games refuse to play on Redream and they are 2d Platformers

[little timber]

I use retroarch cores more almost every emulator anymore

Universal hotkeys are too good

[cobalt rose]

Retro arch cores are almost always slower unless you use upper tier hardware.

[vapid frigate]

RetroArch is kinda Trash for anything Ps1 & Above, IMO. If you are talking about Snes & Under tho, Retro Arch is unbeatable.

Duckstation for Ps1, Mupen for N64, Flycast for Dreamcast (and now Apparently ReDream on LowEnd Devices lol), Drastic is Great for NDS but I also don't really care about Retro Achievements like that

[cobalt rose]

On x86 handhelds it does reduce bloat a bit though. You get more wiggle room due to performance

[little timber]

I do everything up to DC/N64/PS1 on retro arch

I don’t miss having 20 different standalone emulator apps whatsoever

[cunning crane]

I’ve been using RA to play GC and Wii games even on my RP5. I’m happy with 1-2x resolution because it means I can get a butt load of flexibility, as well as all my hotkeys working exactly as I expect them to

[near field]

Why would the 34xx screen be good for snes? It’s 480p 3:2 which is not high enough res to get away with not integer scaling and also integer scales the 224p snes output poorly

I have a 34xx, just for gba basically

[sleek wren]

720x480 huh

Outside of the letterboxing, I'd have figured it'd be about as good as all the 640x480 screen devices

Granted, that's not a perfect integer scale for SNES, but it's pretty close

And if you do integer scale, you're not giving up much of the screen

[haughty patrol]

I mean 4:3 SNES ain't exactly integer scaled to begin with

[near field]

Correct. Integer scaling snes is a massive PITA on most screens, which is why you need a high res screen so you don’t need integer scaling

Like last night I was playing DKC2 on a 2762x2064 OLED with geom-deluxe

👌

[sleek wren]

It's always a bit of a grey area with SNES tbh

Technically it's an 8:7 system, but I'd imagine a lot of games were still designed with 4:3 in mind

[lone wedge]

Technically 1440p integer scales 4:3 snes

[lone wedge]

Only the non Nintendo games though

[lone wedge]

Easily too

That's why super SP wins

[cunning crane]

False! Nintendo or non-Nintendo, some games look better in one aspect ratio or the other. 4:3 Mario looks fat to me now lol

[sleek wren]

I've never even seen what Mario World looks like at 8:7 tbh lol

Fat Mario is all I've ever known

[lone wedge]

well ya of course

4:3 mario is fat because nintendo made all their games for 8:7

[vapid frigate]

Fat Mario is more "Realistic"

https://tenor.com/view/madturnip-show-super-mario-bros-gif-19309485

[haughty patrol]

Chrono Trigger and Mortal Combat are the only ones who actually took the 4:3 stretch into account when making their pixel art, everything else... not so much, at worst text will look a bit stretched in 8:7, but otherwise...

[silent geode]

Also Zelda:LTTP I think

[vapid frigate]

I never met no skinny Plumber, except on the internet lol

[near field]

Even in chrono trigger they correct sprites and backgrounds but not particle effects, spell animations etc

The math involved for a glowing transparent circle growing when you cast a spell is simply not easy to do “corrected” on the snes hardware

[mortal dirge]

what if Mario was originally a thin dude

and he only became fat because everyone played 8:7 games in 4:3

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-mind-blown-wow-impressed-confused-gif-3345105

[near field]

this is him on the NES in 16:15 PAR

so he's fat even before you 'correct' to 4:3 (which definitely wasn't a thing designers could account for on the NES hardware) and became morbidly obese when you did lmao

I think he's always been a bit on the wide side

if anything his sprite in SMB1 is the only place where he looks less portly than he did both before and after that point

though in the SMB1 manual he is depicted fairly chubby

[humble pulsar]

I'd go by the GBA remakes to see what Nintendos true vision was for the mario sprite

[near field]

Those iirc are equivalent to NES/SNES PAR with no correction to 4:3 before cropping to 3:2 area for the gba

They actually redesigned some levels to account for the 160 pixel height vs 224/240 rather than change any sprites

[vapid frigate]

"True Vision"

[humble pulsar]

now you got me looking at creepypasta games, thanks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFayo3KtZEA

[vapid frigate]

Anytime Buddy 😉

@humble pulsar quick Question, What SD card Size & Quality do you Recommend for Gamma OS on the RGB30

[humble pulsar]

Use cards with speeds similar to a SanDisk Extreme (A2 for gaming) or Samsung Pro Plus.

https://www.samsung.com/uk/memory-storage/memory-card/memory-card-pro-plus-microsd-card-128gb-mb-md128sa-eu/
https://shop.sandisk.com/en-gb/products/memory-cards/microsd-cards/sandisk-extreme-uhs-i-for-mobile-gaming-microsd?sku=SDSQXAH-064G-GN6GN

[vapid frigate]

Ty, had a feeling it would be another A2 card I would need

At this Point I might as well buy a 6 pack of them

[formal smelt]

Catching up on chat after being away for the day is always a fun surprise when news is light...

4:3 fat Mario! 🤌🤌

[cobalt rose]

I would put Vita in the same category as 3ds.

there are definitely a lot of indies and 2d games/visual-novels that run well, but once you begin crossing over to 3d, you almost certainly start rolling the mali gpu-dice

[exotic tapir]

Is there really any info as to why the consoles were rendering in 8:7 and then stretched to 4:3? It seems counter intuitive.

Also have to remember that honestly, the majority of people have never played a real SNES, but have played a million SNES games - the ZSNES generation is a lot bigger than the SNES generation tbh

so for people like me, their first experience was in 8:7 on a PC CRT

which also meant you could see the pixels, etc

And then every reamaster that's maintained the pixels often keeps stuff as it was - the various FF remakes/ports/remasters kept everything at 16x16 or 16x24 rendered at GBA/WSC/PS1 resolutions etc

[lilac spade]

what I can't find is why didn't they just make it 4:3 instead of doing all of this tldr: hardware limitations of the time

[near field]

There was functionally no downside - CRTs don’t really have a horizontal resolution

I mean even for LCDs there’s nothing saying you have to have the same vertical and horizontal distance between the pixels - the game gear screen was like that

Obviously now we’re all just trying to figure out how to deal with quirks of past technology when playing games on modern uniform pixel screens lol

[lone wedge]

This is by far the most worthless thing I've read in the subject. Theres no need to stretch if you aren't 8:7

[lone wedge]

Please don't expose me to such info

How much is the stretch

[near field]

gamegear uses the same res as the gameboy (160x144) but it stretched it across a 4:3 area

[lilac spade]

Meh I don't completely disagree with you. It was lazy on my part. It was mostly to show there's a whole rabbit hole you can fall in on the subject.

[lilac spade]

it just needs to explain a bit more about CRTs

gdi you made me fall back into this rabbit hole

[broken shuttle]

oh god subpixel structures

[exotic tapir]

My skin got 3 shades paler and I sprouted 4 new pimples when I watched a video on subpixel scaling

[exotic tapir]

Like when you set up Windows 95 as a kid and descided '1600x1200 made everything too small' so switched back, not understanding how big a deal having a machine running at 1600x1200 was

[cobalt rose]

I just can't wait till the influx of noobs that can't understand what cci and cxi formats are arrive

[lilac spade]

Early CRT days .... I've touched one of these in order to play NES... excuse me chat I do believe it's time for my midlife crisis.

[cobalt rose]

heh. i remember using that with the atari 2600

[vast karma]

Man. NES days. Had to run to a RadioShack to grab one once cause I was staying with my grandparents. Lol

[lilac spade]

It was my grandparents TV too 😂

[cobalt rose]

and you had to use channel 3 or 4 for gameplay due to analogue vhf override

[vast karma]

Pretty sure it was encased in wood too

[cobalt rose]

and your grandmother said something to the extent of "that box has the devil inside of it" and would make you go play outside

[lilac spade]

the satisfying click of changing the channel on those old tvs 🤤

[vast karma]

So tactile. Lol

And the delay afterward

[lilac spade]

This is whole 8:7 thing is really just like Nintendo's signature move. Use underpowered hardware but make up for it with really great games and affordability.

If you really want to dive into the rabbit hole this is really informative, google: Super Nintendo Architecture A practical analysis by Rodrigo Copetti

[exotic tapir]

Snes is the same 6502 in the NES isn't it?

And I mean a lot of those later games basically had the hardware to play them on the board and the cartridge slot doubled as an ISA slot...

Or they just lagged like crazy, like Super Metroid did. Would Doom run better in SA2 mode?

[exotic tapir]

Is that RCA to coax? Then to TV aerial? Lmao

[lilac spade]

Yoshi Island and Star Fox are perfect examples here

fun fact this is the reason Yoshi Island was hard to emulate for a while

[exotic tapir]

Nintendo: 'we'll make an underpowered piece of shit with an expansion slot so it's cheap '
Also Nintendo: 'let's design a whole new co processor and graphics hardware for our piece of shit with an expansion slot and charge $100 a game cart'
Also Nintendo: 'Let's do that again!'

[exotic tapir]

Yeah I remember the 'unemulatable games' of the early 2000s. Iirc there was a really popular one apart fro. Yoshi that didn't work?

Also found this trying to figure it out

https://forums.emulator-zone.com/index.php?threads/need-thingy-to-run-zsnes-cant-get-it-help-would-be-appreciated.2161/

[lilac spade]

Not sure I only remember hearing about Yoshi Island at the time and that's all I cared about at the time as well. Maybe Earthbound, Pilotwings, or F-Zero?

Star Ocean maybe?

[solar sonnet]

I think it's less about it being 'cheap' and more that they never sell their hardware at a loss

[exotic tapir]

using the 6502 in 1989 was being cheap

[haughty patrol]

midlife crisis? rather go and purchase a lot for your funeral

[lone wedge]

Does this have linux promised?

New user

Only 20 years old now

[mortal dirge]

that's funny, I seem to remember actually playing Yoshi's Island on ZSNES right around that time

it must have gotten Super FX support right about then

[cobalt rose]

yeah. most of the "been emulating since 1999" crowd knows around the time zsnes was able to play yoshi's island

summer of 2004 or something. the system requirements doubled and suddenly you could play starfox. i had just graduated and my dad was about to throw me out, lol

physically modded ps1 and burned disc days... mmm...

[tough agate]

Do you guys think dual booting between android and linux will be possible with a switch of an sd card?

[vast karma]

Would be cool

[cobalt rose]

Taki has a video about going between android, linux, and modded switch os

pretty much already has been a thing for a year now

[frank idol]

3:2???? YES YES YES

[mortal dirge]

I'll do you one up, running burnable mini-dvds off homebrew on the memory card booted via a (long ass) action replay code on the GC

[cobalt rose]

So when is the rgb50 release date

[swift belfry]

I once advised a friend to break a pencil off in his PS2 detection switch because he accidentally kicked the whole lid off one night

[lone wedge]

What happened?

[exotic tapir]

What gets me is hunting around for DirectX 8.1 in 2005. 9.0c had been out for over a year at that point. How had he not had something install DirectX at that time?
Console gamers smh

[exotic tapir]

I remember playing very glitchy N64 as a kid, UltraHLE lmao

[mortal dirge]

fucking N64 man, it was impossible to emulate

you needed a NASA super computer to run it at full speed and even then it was half assed

[frank idol]

what is the leaked chip and what can it play up to?

im reading it cant do 3ds up there somewhere

[cobalt rose]

Allwinner a527 - 8xA55 2mb cache cpu. basically ~2-2.5x as powerful as the rk3566. I have the gamemt version.

So yeah... vita, 3ds, ps2, and GameCube, but you'll only be playing the lower halves of each catelogue. There's videos and stuff in here: https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1340711956495077497
Mind you, i'm no reviewer. I mainly just show if a game is playable

[cobalt rose]

I remember UltraHLE seriously teeing me off because of compatibility bugs.

[exotic tapir]

3DS requirements have dropped with Aazhar disabling right eye rendering

[exotic tapir]

this means it'll play a lot of Android games/ports as well which is handy

[cobalt rose]

oh yes. But I think the powkiddy version only has 2gb of ram, so yeah it'll be good but, not crazy good for android.

[frank idol]

theres linux on this chip?

i didnt even know dang

[cobalt rose]

the sbc version pine64 sells comes with Android 13 and Armbian 5.x so it's best to expect versions of those floating around

according to devs, linux is stuck on a 5.x bsp source, so nothing is getting better, but it's easy to layer and bandaid. Helegaly has already built an emuelec/batocera image from it for their a527 handheld, so its only a matter of time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342191309959463027/1353781751574429696/K46.mp4?ex=67ead001&is=67e97e81&hm=08ae90c0122db26bb51bc03ae92a27c0039b9b39ad164e3e356d3b038b3800bc&

[vocal iron]

Yeah I've been playing with the right eye rendering trick. Some games seem to break with it tho

[cobalt rose]

there are also some games azahar will refuse to accept as valid too

[tender blaze]

do people get stutter free 3ds emu in azahar? with async shaders enabled?

[ivory kettle]

Those would be .3ds files, which is what happens when you dump them as encrypted (or if you dumped them as decrypted back during the earlier days of 3ds modding), but if you dump them as decrypted nowadays it should give .cxi, and even if you have them as that older decrypted .3ds variants, you can still just change the file extension to .cxi and it’ll work just fine since it’s really just wants the games as decrypted.

[cunning crane]

Oh, good to know about being able to change the file extension

[cobalt rose]

i mean it treats some of the cci or cxi files as invalid. 😦

Steamworld Dig 1&2 I'm looking at you. this was a whole 2am ordeal of using several decrypts, manual-included. I mean, Citra works, so whatever.

[grim apex]

the kitty pounces again!

[lone wedge]

Azhar plus is the dirty fork

Theyre taking one for the team

Azahar

But with 3ds server access and .3ds support

So azahar will develop and they will patch azahar

As long as azahar stays clean by "virtue signalling"

It'll stay up

And Nintendo won't catch em

[sleek wren]

They got Yuzu by catching their devs acknowledge piracy in a secret channel in the Discord server IIRC

[grand ore]

The only reason they found Yuzu's creator is because they collected donations which has a paper trail. If they really wanted to be anonymous, you must avoid traditional payment systems.

They can't sue you if they can't find you. Its that simple

[river ether]

Wrong channel

[mossy aspen]

so how much this will be? like 75 to 150USD?

[vapid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/tree-fiddy-lockness-monsta-gif-14302477

[mortal dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-ball-fortune-teller-betty-white-kristallkugel-scry-gif-22610039

but yeah probably not higher than 150 unless Powkiddy does something weird

[kindred terrace]

If it is 150 they will sell no more than 15 pieces

[cobalt rose]

this is only worth 80usd MAX, because the soc is a 50usd tablet sort of thing

[north path]

Price has been described as budget but not too cheap so $80 sounds right

[wicked gulch]

100 or less and ill be impressed

[primal wagon]

max3 pro is $100 and this is weaker than that

although better screen

[cobalt rose]

I'd say they're even.

this does 3ds a bit better than the max3pro but worse than OGU, which is frustrating, but whatevs
All three can deal with n64. specifically World Cup '98 which can't even run full speed on the t618

[sweet juniper]

Max3pro does not have issues even with the tougher PSP (even at 2x minimum) and DC games like DOA etc.
Never really tested n64 on it, but doubt it would be worse than a a527

First time heard of t618 performing worse a OGU/max3pro for n64, are you comparing the same emulator/plugin version and settings?

[cobalt rose]

this is best answered by recording with all three. they all hit the minimum fps for full-speed gameplay in WOrld Cup, which is 30 fps, but none of them can sustain 60 especially in actual gameplay

In my experience, using glideN64Fast, the a527 hits open field low marks at ~35fps alongside both soc's, but they all average around 35, 39, and 50 once the ball is in play.

[cobalt rose]

i'll do a recording with my rg405v(at the risk of corrupting battery percentage again lol)

[silent geode]

wow thats wild, so you say that a527 is actually faster in n64 emulation than t618 ?

[cobalt rose]

no... it's just slightly weaker in multicore. you see it in the numbers. hold on streamable is processing

[silent geode]

yes, in multicore its very close indeed

[cobalt rose]

https://streamable.com/d0dq7q

the video is expired now, gonna download and reupload. should show off the high-30's/low-40's fps.

reuploaded:
https://streamable.com/mhqyma

actually, i'm lying... its performing almost identically?

[sweet juniper]

I don't see the t618 performing worse, possibly even better. Hard to say for sure with the speed up and dynamic action going on.

This is a 30 fps game? If yes I dont know why you say can't even run full speed on the t618

[cobalt rose]

this is one of the few 60fps-supported games on n64

on my rg556, it barely dips at all below 57fps(but it does dip)

the significance probably makes better sense to an FPGA gamer, tbh.

[sweet juniper]

The videos seems very fast/smooth despite not maintaining 60 fps (for a 60fps game), or was that altered when uploading

[cobalt rose]

yeah. it's bizarre. probably has to do with background vps framerates being higher on the t618

this is original hardware speed:
https://youtu.be/bcvFi3-OJBk

hrm... gamespeed is probably the best gauge

t618 is close but not perfect(better than a527) while being equal in gpu power. either way, hitting the minimum fps for audio sync is better than nothing.

[languid summit]

I guess T820 is the minimum "stable", all under will not fit to get 60 fps

[cobalt rose]

Yeah t820 can handle gliden64-accurate though

[languid summit]

Would love a 3:2 handheld with T820 inside & about the size of Retroid pocket 2s

this CPU shouldn't be expensive nowadays

[cobalt rose]

i'm fine not surpassing the og hardware.

makes me wonder if the MiSter codes in the same types of fps dips just to achieve 1:1 emulation

[last ice]

I wonder what's the cutoff for ParaLLEl-RDP.

[manic herald]

Any guesses if this will run Android or Linux?

[haughty patrol]

both apparently

[kindred terrace]

When is the release date? In two weeks?

[near field]

My guess is android from factory

[mighty coral]

And possibly some really badly botched batocera build

[vast karma]

Haha probably accurate

Kinda excited to try this special button everyone talks about

[mighty coral]

actually batocera seems to be implementing some a527 support for orangepi 4a, so they could probably piggyback on that.

[proven root]

You're very updated, that was added yesterday

Nah I was looking at the latest update, It was actually added on December 24 😆

[keen basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/moo-moo-mario-cow-moo-moo-cow-mario-kart-gif-11182502275773118345

pre order wen

[cunning crane]

Jigg what is a calcium cannon?

[north path]

A Moo-Moo Missile

[cunning crane]

I am upset

[keen basalt]

You’re not upset, you’re probably just calcium deficient..

[peak dawn]

What the fuck is this chat

[cobalt rose]

a527 revolt.

[peak dawn]

Oh man I miss Snufkin

[cobalt rose]

😕

[grim apex]

play Snufkin: Melody of Moominvalley

I enjoyed it greatly

🙂

[kindred terrace]

When?

[grim apex]

whenever the opportunity arises! 😛

[mild depot]

what no rgb50 does to a mofo

[cobalt rose]

@acoustic rover when is this dropping?

[cunning crane]

Cancelled after he saw what Jigg was doing in here

(/s)

[near field]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-gif-5769121116284891944

[shut cape]

Rgb50 and v90s news please 🙏🏻

[formal smelt]

I really think some previously announced devices are going to disappear.

Unfortunately.

Or we won't hear about them for a while. I don't know how any manufacturer is expected to price anything.

[near field]

I mean they’ll price the same way they would before, they don’t pay the tariffs and they have customers outside the USA

[formal smelt]

Sure. Unless they really count on the U.S. market to make it worth producing at scale. Would love to see the breakdown of revenue on these devices by country.

[vapid frigate]

I wanna Guess USA is about 40-60% of total Sales across the whole globe

[primal wagon]

I'd say Stubbs is half that

[vapid frigate]

I was gonna guess all of the Retro Tubers combined would make up about 10% of total sales in USA lol

I gotta stop going down rabbit holes and watching videos with less than 1k views lol

[near field]

I think it varies a lot manufacturer to manufacturer

retroid and ayn are very focused on the western market, powkiddy and ayaneo I think do more sales domestically

anbernic seems to be more even handed

[rich plover]

yeah iirc powkiddy do great domestically

i think in china these handhelds are viewed more as short term transient things and not long-term investments so powkiddy is good value and the things that reviewers would ding them for are less relevant

[near field]

in the west I see people claim powkiddy devices are 'barely cheaper than anbernic' on budget handhelds because they aren't taking into account that powkiddy shipping is free and anbernic is not

powkiddy devices feel cheap

yeah THEY ARE CHEAP

I've never bought a powkiddy handheld and felt like I didn't get my money's worth

they're just low end

[little maple]

You simply have to worry about them dying randomly on you

[near field]

I haven't experienced that

having used a q36 mini, a v90, an rgb30, and a rgb10max3pro

[formal smelt]

I have to agree... and they're getting better. V10 is so good for the price.

[small mulch]

true, USA isnt the entire world we are buying the devices just fine so far

[cobalt rose]

after the rgb10max3pro, powkiddy needs a win on the mid end.

x28 is mostly forgotten.

[silent geode]

what we really need is Anbernic 457 with this screen, it will be perfect wiuth d8300 😍

[haughty patrol]

That would actually be neat

[exotic tapir]

powkiddy is fine. people complaining their $50 handheld isn't perfect live in la la land, you have a $50 handheld, stop complaining about the dpad and go play final fantasy for five minutes on the bus

[silent geode]

I would say the dpad is the least of the problems I had. My RGB30 battery management was terrible (same issue on RK2023) and the micro switches below the shoulder buttons didnt have any support so they got ripped of the mainboard after a week of use, i had to buy a new ones solder them to the board and glue them for additional support

Dpad is actually fine, easy to fix woth kapton tape

[haughty patrol]

No issues with my shoulders and yeah kepton tape fixes the worst, dropping in a V10 d-pad is still 10x better

Battery ehhh

[exotic tapir]

My rgb30 has a bit of a creaky dpad but I got a good unit otherwise

[river ether]

I was just told that the RGB5o should be out soon, so the full specs should follow.

[keen basalt]

Thanks Jaydewitz

[river ether]

Welcome whoever this is

[cobalt rose]

how much ram? 2gb? 4gb?

[silent geode]

Is it confirmed, who told you that? Now I'm getting excited

[silk dust]

Definitely keeping an eye on this one.

[high sorrel]

Me too
That design, out of many newer Powkiddy handhelds (ew rgb20) looks more comfortable for me

[silk dust]

Agreed and the screen should look real nice.

[vapid frigate]

PK has like 4ish days to release thise and the v90 refresh. And then2 weeks to get all the units out TO USA customers lol

Would be awesome if they could pull it off tho lol

[near field]

I don't think they're gonna change their entire business and potentially release unfinished stuff just over the USA

7.85 billion other potential customers

[vapid frigate]

Depends how big USA sales are for them

[high sorrel]

I feel like that in probably 6-12 months I'll start to see them being sold in certain stores (like phone accessory stuff for example) in my city

I remember seeing a R36S box at one of the glass displays at a phone repair/accessory/whatever store in my city in June of 2024

[exotic tapir]

most of their money is selling in switch clones to SEA/Africa, I imagine. They make the best ones.

[kindred terrace]

Hello @powkiddy , when when when ?

[cobalt rose]

Soon.jpg

[final plover]

[tough agate]

Honestly so excited for this one

it's basically gonna be the trimui smart pro we always wanted

well probably not as cheap

but it'll have the same purpose with better specs

[cobalt rose]

The thing is testing is done. We just need one manufacturer to release it to market lol

[cobalt rose]

Honestly did not expect the 3ds library for this soc.

[tough agate]

perfect 4x 3ds

[cobalt rose]

there's not enough power for that. you'll get 1x 3ds at most.

android games will be able to render at the current screen real-estate. you might be able to get some psp games to render at 3x as well

[tough agate]

oh sry might have been misleading with it

I didn't mean upscaling

1x scaled games would look really great especially with 2d games

[shy prawn]

Yeah the Ace would probably be better suited for that, but be ready to pay.

[cobalt rose]

n64 is -great- on this soc though. just stick to glideN64-accurate for easy/mid stuff and fast for the hard titles and you'll be fine

[high sorrel]

wait, what soc does it have? I think I missed on that one

[primal wagon]

Allwinner a527

[high sorrel]

Wow (the A527 is basically just the A523 as far as I know)

But what about the final price?

[primal wagon]

Gamemt e6 max is $70-80 on aliexpress with the same chip and slightly worse screen

Rgb10max3 pro puts a top price pressure on it around $100

[high sorrel]

Hope that it comes off at the $70-80 price range once it comes out

[primal wagon]

The thing is, 4gigs of ram is gonna allow a lot more android and portmaster games versus 2 gigs.

[cobalt rose]

8xA55 with ~4x the cpu cache(2.2mb) of an rk3566 . basically allows it to dance on the same level as the s922x and a311d

[high sorrel]

damn

[cobalt rose]

it definitely swings pretty hard on apps with multicore support. showed this off a while back in mupen64plus-ae:glideN64 comparing its performance with the rg405v

lack of big cores makes it bad for gamecube/dolphin emulation though unless you use something ancient like Ishiiruka v6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMv7xqDtfIY

[lone wedge]

Fire in Malaysia

[lone wedge]

Oh my god

This is the best device ever

Other than super sp!!!!!!

[proven root]

Wait this is an A527?

[tough agate]

I just realized that psp isn't going to run ideally on this device

it does run at fullspeed

but because it lacks power it's going to have input delay

[haughty patrol]

wrong conclusion

[tough agate]

why?

[silent geode]

I think most of the games other than two GoW, GTAs and Midnight Club games should run quite well

[cobalt rose]

not sure how you came to that conclusion. input delay is caused by cpu lag when the command thread doesn't have enough resources. this may have been an issue on the rk3566, but is nonexistent on a527, which has ~4x the instruction bandwidth

the largest bottleneck currently is ram speed

[tough agate]

I've done some research because my recently bought rp2s power tablet was having input delay. When I tried applying settings inside ppsspp that recude lag the game started to chug, since the rgb50 is similar in power compared to the rp2s It seems like it would have same issue because of the power it lacks.

Many people claim ppsspp notoriously has input delay by itself

So because of the chugging with these settings I came to the conclusion that you need a lot more power to actually play games that relly on quick inputs when it comes to psp emulation.

[cobalt rose]

if you turn the instruction buffer off, you get control lag even on x86.

this isn't a hardware issue

[tough agate]

instruction buffer?

[cobalt rose]

yeah it's in the settings. usually it's already set to 2x, but if you set it down to 1x or off by accident, you create your own lag.

[tough agate]

people claim it reduces input delay so I listened

I am very sensitive to input delay and people like russ never told me this could be an issue with emulators such as ppsspp. Presumably because they aren't sensitive to it.

[cobalt rose]

Russ gives horrible advice(sometimes) and then turns over himself in his Tech Dweeb persona by hyperdiving everything, configuration-wise.

amusing, but yikes lol. it can and will paralyze the way people think about this stuff.

[kindred terrace]

WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN???

[vapid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/eventually-marques-brownlee-sooner-or-later-mkbhd-gif-11548666401497233379

[muted falcon]

So is this expected to be an android handheld like the e6 max?

[primal wagon]

I believe the rumors are of a batocera build

[vapid frigate]

Dual Booting

[cunning crane]

Makes sense given what recent PowKiddy stock OSes have been like

[muted falcon]

Oh interesting

[kindred terrace]

I ordered a powkiddy 35H for 44 euro shipped on Ali in the meantime (inc shipping taxes). Fair price

Even though i already have 350M , 351MP , 353M , RG35xxH , RG40xxH and a few more

[mortal dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/cruftbox-but-why-gif-1290062710361139636

there's no reason for anybody here to get that handheld

unless you are a reviewer and need something to put up on YouTube

[cobalt rose]

welp... e6maxes are landing stateside. gg's powkiddy

[kindred terrace]

I am an addict

[near field]

Or don’t have a handheld yet

[swift belfry]

Honestly though, the dpad on the rgb10x was my favorite on any retro handheld

[exotic tapir]

My RGB30 wasn't so good but the screen is worth it

[kindred terrace]

I will buy a rgb10x and swap this dpad with my rgb50

Wait, it is the same!

Oh, this thing might be good

[tough agate]

when are we gonna get a full sheet of specs/more pics?

[shadow rune]

the RGB10X d-pad is a very close replica of the original SNES d-pad, it doesn't feel exactly the same, but I think it's better than pretty much any d-pad on any other modern handheld

[near field]

don't make me want an rgb10x pls

[shadow rune]

haha it's not memorable overall, if you have a bunch of other handhelds you absolutely don't need it

the screen in particular is pretty meh compared to some of the other cheap options (especially the Trimui Brick)

[cunning crane]

Vanilla ahh handheld

[atomic drift]

I wonder if the membranes are similar

[manic herald]

@acoustic rover Any news on this one?

[keen basalt]

@river ether Any news on this one?

[swift belfry]

It’s so incredibly average, especially compared to a 35xxh—meh screen (mine cut off text on the stock arkos), rattles, terrible charging and battery reporting … but the controls were somehow top tier. I kinda miss mine now tbh.

[shadow rune]

Exactly, it kinda sucks because if it had a better screen It'd be one of my favorites, but the controls are really top tier, hopefully Powkiddy will use the same style of d-pad and face buttons for their next devices.

[exotic tapir]

pretty sure those originated in the v10

[cobalt rose]

finally got to testing gamecube on the a527 today. it's not as grim as jdewitz makes it sound.

[acoustic rover]

Oh I don't think it's grim I just don't think it'll be super enjoyable for most games. Animal crossing should definitely run though. Can you test Pikmin and see how many FPS you get? Lego Star wars og is another good one to try if you want to stress test.

[haughty patrol]

If it ain't runs Double Dash I don't even bother testing GCN

[cobalt rose]

Games I have tested thus far and found worth running: animal crossing, bomberman generation, city racer, conflict: desert storm, crash nitro kart, digimon world 4, evolution worlds, 007 series, kururin squash, lost kingdoms, prince of Persia series, Mario strikers, v-rally 3

double dash needs the 30fps patch and pal, so not enjoyable. Mario kart 7 in azahar runs full speed though

[cobalt rose]

I will try those later. Even if they dont work, there are 3ds/psp/etc. versions that run fine.(like Luigi's mansion 1&2)

[silent geode]

Prince of Persia games run well? thats exciting

[cobalt rose]

its the same mixed bag as the rgb10max3pro though before jelos and rocknix mainlined that soc. a527 is running on old linux 5.x with frankenstein drivers. Gamma might be finding that out around now.

[cobalt rose]

https://streamable.com/rm15nd
I have never played pikmin, but it seems interesting. Pal fps seems fairely solid

[kindred terrace]

33 euro shipped on ali now

[near field]

yeah but I already have a 35xxSP and a 28xx on the 480p side of things

and on the better than 480p side of things I have a 34xx, a 406v, and an rp5

[kindred terrace]

I have 350m , 351mp, 353m, 35xxh , powkiddy 35h and a few more 3,5 inches. 33 euro is ok

[mortal dirge]

is this coming or not

what's taking Powkiddy so long

[atomic drift]

nope, cancelled, dead

[peak dawn]

Source: random kangaroo

[atomic drift]

https://tenor.com/view/kangaroo-man-punching-gif-15068733

[tough agate]

I can already imagine myself playing so many games on this

I hope the screen will be good and there wont be any light bleed or anything like that

rgb30 was pretty prone to that

[cobalt rose]

I hope powkiddy isn't scared. They clearly have the high ground with 3:2

Good for 4:3 and 16:9 stuff and clearly mid for android/linux ports

[silent geode]

Nah I dont think so, we learned this exists less than a month ago, this has potential to be their new rgb30, a trendsetter for lower end devices

I just hope they will do better QC this time 😛 loved RGB30 but hated it's quirks

[tough agate]

the v10 didn't have any quirks no?

I think they were on the right track with that

[silent geode]

yeah, apparently RGB10X is also good, so fingers crossed

[near field]

this looks like it uses the rgb10X controls complete with a full sized dpad for once on retro handhelds

actually the same size as a snes controller

plus 1080p 3:2 is actually a pretty good res for snes, you can do 5x integer overscan vertically and then take your pick between 5x horizontal, 6x horizontal (a bit wider than 4:3), or non-integer anamorphic 4:3

so there is a very real possibility this becomes the best snes handheld on the market.

[vast karma]

would be awesome, i'm assuming all these 3:2s will do well in that regard

[near field]

they all have a good screen size/res/aspect for snes but this is the only one AFAICT that has a dpad this close to the snes dpad

[vast karma]

damn, true, well, i'm gonna buy whichever comes first, lol

so giddyup powkiddy

[tough agate]

I am so excited for this handheld

this is what I've always been waiting for

perhaps I would have liked a 16:9 1080p display more but 3:2 does make for a very unique experience

but 16:9 just for the sake of psp sounds a bit foolish

and it's not like 4.3 inches is bad

[near field]

its the same size as a PSP in fact

[tough agate]

yeah I know

Other than gba it being 3:2 instead of 4:3 might mean it's worth having the extra space for Lynx and Wonderswan games

small library but a nice bonus

honestly just gba alone makes the aspect ratio justified for me

[rich plover]

yeah wonderswan and lynx are both gonna be letterboxed a bit but not that bad. you could probably just do overscale in some games too if you want them to take up the whole screen

[near field]

I would say generally overscan on a low res handheld system is a bad time

they don't assume the edges of the screen are no-go zones the way CRT systems do

that's partially why super game boy did the border art stuff

the other part was technical limitations on the resolution output of the snes

[rich plover]

yeah good point

[kindred terrace]

POWKIDDY WELEASE WGB50 NOW!

[peak dawn]

[cobalt rose]

This chipset handles XIII, Judge Dredd, Worms 3d, Conflict: Desert Storm, and V-Rally 3 quite well. All of those are variable framerate gamecube titles though. Does add a bit of choice freedom.

I want to say ~30-40% of the library is playable. the mid stuff like Beach Spiker and Medal of Honor: Frontline is where you run out of raw power.

[hidden plaza]

I see a pattern here lol. We both like horizontal ones

I just confirmed the order too but for my first handheld (after the PSP and 3DS), the 35xxh for 41 euros. Then for another 11 euros i got a 128 sandisk and a 32 kodak (for the fw), did i do good? 50 euros complete starter set

I chose the 35xxh cause i like horizontal ones, but i didnt want to spend too much on my first one.

Tbh i liked more the switch lite looking ones like the upcoming rgb50 but the 35xch seems perfect for starters

[swift belfry]

I’m gonna play devils advocate and say I like the rgb10x more than the 35xxh. Better dpad and buttons, slightly cheaper, ArkOS out the box.

[hidden plaza]

Fair enough, that thing's build quality is so good apparently, the colour options are good too and man I love the small + and - buttons
I didn't go for it cause it's a powkiddy and many people complained with the battery life being random sometimes in other powkiddy devices. Also i have a Bluetooth controller already so I said "why not trying a device with HDMI out and BT for some home console experience?"

[tough agate]

What android chip is this most comparable?

[cobalt rose]

s922x

[haughty patrol]

A527 is quite removed from the step up real Android SoCs provide

[tough agate]

Hmm.. doesn't seem to come up in nanoreview.net

[cobalt rose]

https://gadgetversus.com/processor/allwinner-a523-vs-amlogic-s922x-h/

[haughty patrol]

this is a 527 tho?

[cobalt rose]

a523 and 527 are the same soc with different peripherals

but yeah, this and the amlogic trade blows pretty evenly until you get to modern multicore applications

[haughty patrol]

well, I would say this is around the ball park of the rk3399 in terms of power, ain't it?

[tough agate]

stuff like the Unisoc Tiger or Dimensity socs are on the site but Allwinner or amlogic don't come up at all

[haughty patrol]

generally I would expect N64/DC to run more or less fine on this, but PSP won't be all the way there probably

and certainly not upscaled like on the t618

[cobalt rose]

eh... you'd have to go back and look at the footage to see how off this statement is.

3399 is good, but it hits lower ceilings on everything

[tough agate]

is it stronger than the T610?

[haughty patrol]

we have footage on this?

[haughty patrol]

nah

[cobalt rose]

we've had it for a while. just go browse some rg552 reviews

[haughty patrol]

I meant of the rgb50

i'm aware that the rg552 is relatively limited on N64/DC/PSP

[cobalt rose]

powkiddy -says- its going to have an a527, but we've seen no units in the wild.

but 527 is good at all three of those, and stretches out quite a bit into gamecube and 3ds

[haughty patrol]

generally speaking the rk3399 is ancient and can do those systems only marginally better than a 3566

but the 527 shouldn't be much more powerful either

[cobalt rose]

it's about 2x on single core and 4x on multi compared to the rk3566. the layout has about 4 times the cpu cache

[tough agate]

t610 is stronger?

[cobalt rose]

like... there's a small library of growing videos now on the e6max showcasing that.

[haughty patrol]

39% single and 16% multi-core

[tough agate]

what about the p65? that's like super low end

[cobalt rose]

gammaOS is also coming to a527's. it's already out in pieces for the e6max. there are some thermal hangups because 22nm does get hot quite fast. you can't do a full 2.2/1.6 overclock

[tough agate]

Is there a possiblity this thing could cost 90 bucks?

[cobalt rose]

with tarriffs, yeah. if not, 70

[tough agate]

70?? that would be AMAZING

For the 1st time even I'm not complaining I live in one of the bad EU countries

[cobalt rose]

fundamentally, it's performance is what was expected of the rgb10max3pro and ogu, but not really delivered upon.

[haughty patrol]

RK3566 single-thread 505, multi-thread 922
A527 single-thread 678, multi-thread 2297
RK3399 single-thread 979, multi-thread 2925
T610 single-thread 1069, multi-thread 2565
T618 single-thread 1163, multi-thread 2575
T820 single-thread 1919, multi-thread 5482

all numbers from CPUbenchmark
emulation generally relies more on the single-thread capabilities, so I wouldn't really expect too much from the A523/7

[cobalt rose]

this is an armchair take. there's actual videos made by content creators running these socs if you need to see the real world differences.

[haughty patrol]

I'm not saying that the real world performance can't be better, but it's somewhere between the rk3566 and the t610 nevertheless, if it outperforms the rk3399 that's nice, but it ain't doing miracles either

[tough agate]

Is there a handheld we have that is roughly equal to it in power? I wanna watch a review to see what I can expect.

[cobalt rose]

on paper it -looks- like the rk3566 and a527 are close to the same, but running, let's say World Cup '98 on n64, one is clearly beyond 2x faster

it actually comes close to tying the t618, as i showed some people earlier up in chat, so the single core scores are -kind of- off

gamma can give more clarity to that since he's trapped in score-comparison and overclock hell

[haughty patrol]

still no point in hyping it up beyond it means

[tough agate]

It absolutely is worth hyping. It's going to be endgame in the budget category.

[haughty patrol]

if it does better on some games that's nice

but it could also do worse on others than the rk3399

[tough agate]

Wait, will this have hdmi out?

[haughty patrol]

the goal post for budget will move with the years and at some point a sub-$100 device will run PS2 no problem

[haughty patrol]

unlikely

[tough agate]

But the rgb30 had it

and it's lower end

[haughty patrol]

entirely depends on if the SoC supports it

okay quick google search

seems to support it

[tough agate]

yess

[cobalt rose]

Already does have support

@acoustic rover can confirm if this iteration includes it

[coarse temple]

no problem it should be T770/T820, a bit unreal for 100$ for now

maybe next year ...

in this year goal should be good gamecube lvl for 100$ at least (helio g90/99/) G1 gen2 would be great for less than 120. good ps2 lvl

[haughty patrol]

i mean the g1 gen2 is surprisingly close to doing decent on GCN and PS2... so if that moves into the sub-$100 bracket with maybe a less premium device than the Classic... we may be close

[coarse temple]

we dont know if others can use it

maybe only retroid/anbernic/etc has rights (if not, i dont understand why we dont see any no name with new qualcomm chips)

@proven root

it can be exclusive or not?

[silent geode]

P65 seems to be much stronger than a527 but still worse than T610

[coarse temple]

yup

[coarse temple]

but p65 better in ps2

[cobalt rose]

The mantra is people want a larger jump in power for budget hardware, but also these companies still need income

So there's an infinite amount of frustration and bad faith arguments putting down t820, a527, t610/618 and other mid processors.

rp5 broke the whole market

[tough agate]

ouu what site is that?

[sweet juniper]

they should be comparable in cpu, with a slight adv for the p65 in gpu. p65 should be closer to t618 then t610. too few devices for data aggregation for both chips though, in handheld without cooling issue results would differ

[silent geode]

gadgetversus.com

[silent geode]

We didnt really see p65 in action, single core performance is more important for emulation, but hopefully it will be indeed closer to t618

[coarse temple]

what the fuck is that
G57mp1

and why it perform that good

[haughty patrol]

the p65 is pretty much just underclocked anyway

[sweet juniper]

underclocked of?

[silent geode]

Yes but on the other hand sometimes, especially on reddit you can see people overly excited for p65 or A527, sometimes even the same people bashing T820 are overhyped for those chips

[coarse temple]

its beat P65

[haughty patrol]

compared to the t618

[coarse temple]

30mhz

its not realy anything

[haughty patrol]

same cores, same gpu, just a lower binned SoC

https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/unisoc-tiger-t618-vs-mediatek-helio-p65

[tough agate]

Oh wow, the T310 (Retroid Pocket 3) and A527 are pretty close to each other.

gotta look up rp3 reviews now ig

[sweet juniper]

yep, t310 still has the edge in single core, just held back by its ancient powervr gpu

from the videos we seen of the a527 til now, t310 (rp2+/rp3) does some stuff better than the a527, some worse (when gpu bottlenecked), would put in the same tier rather than something like the s922x/a311d or t610/t618

[coarse temple]

yes

[haughty patrol]

I mean generally speaking up until we hit GCN/PS2 GPU should be less important, but yeah this could be so weak that it would bottleneck even at native

[coarse temple]

maybe firmware just nerf 527 a little

[sweet juniper]

there is just so much you can get from small a55 core

putting these emulation device aside, the experience of using a phone/tablet with at least a 1-2 big core is much better than those super budget a55 cores only phones/tablet, with no gaming involved, just browsing, navigation , youtube etc

i had a t310 tablet (some alldocube smile something, forgot the name) and the teclast p85t (a523), the t310 definitely feels better to use than the teclast p85t

[tough agate]

naaahhh accourding to russ's video it sometimes struggles with 2x ps1

this better be 70 bucks

[sweet juniper]

russ has a a527 video ..?

[haughty patrol]

I mean, I also have a 50buck a523 tablet which is absolutely atrocious

[tough agate]

nope, but the T310 (rp3) is pretty close to it in power

[haughty patrol]

but it honestly always also depends on the android implementation

[coarse temple]

it close but not the same

[haughty patrol]

like my Samsung Tab A9 runs stuff better than my other Helio G99 tablet

[coarse temple]

u foget about gpu

and also about 527 in e6max underclocked manualy, it should be 850mhz instead 750mhz by defoult

[sweet juniper]

the a527 should have a better chance at upscaling ps1 with its gpu

not sure if cpu would do well for duckstation/swanstation though (beetle psx is out of the question) , and is pgxp all on gpu load? or does it incur cpu side load as well?

[cobalt rose]

I'm pretty sure what the a527 can do and what I can use it for, beetle Saturn is not it.

Gamma obviously found out you can overclock the GPU to like 925mhz and get better performance in gpu heavy games without screwing up thermals, so that's a thing.

I personally am angry that drastic crashes on gamelaunch. Multiple versions across multiple os resets too

[humble pulsar]

wait drastic crashes?

working fine on GCore, I yeeted the stock firmware as soon as I got the E6Max

[cobalt rose]

yeah. i have another clean stock image downloading though. been helping sin iron out his issues(like wire file-transfer being broken in the last clean image)

[kindred terrace]

F

Me waiting for the announcement

[coarse temple]

when any info about it ...

[silent geode]

Man, I kinda feel bad for Powkiddy, they will have a tough time competing with both Helegaly Pi for this handheld and with Anbernic Rg34XXSP for V90S

[exotic tapir]

Their's will be $20-30 cheaper so they'll be fine

[tender blaze]

just from first glance this looks like the best 3:2 among the candidates (this, helegaly, ayaneo pocket ace, 34xx/sp).

[keen basalt]

You know what.. I think you’re right

[muted falcon]

Tone35 clears

[tender blaze]

lowres, single analog stick. don't like the dual dpad gimmick.

[muted falcon]

640p for 3.5 inches is just fine, other criticisms are fair though

[tender blaze]

it's more that it's relatively low PPI, AND not an ideal resolution for integer scaling several 2d systems. the KT-R1 screen is over 400ppi so scaling doesn't matter.

[muted falcon]

I dont know that I would say 330ppi is low, but I suppose if you must integer scale then yeah the resolution isn't as good. For gba and psp it's great though

[tender blaze]

ironically the reason I like rgb50 the best is because it looks like a scaled up magicx mini m/zero28

[coarse temple]

seems like it was leaked powkiddy x45 with a527 a month ago

[sweet juniper]

Helegaly has a 3:2? Only know about the 4 inch 4:3

There is the gkd little as well.

[near field]

406 screen is the best screen for 2d systems

it's not close

[tender blaze]

oh oops my bad, though the helegaly pi was 3:2, not 960x720. yeah that's the magic res.

[silent geode]

I wonder how Powkiddy will price this one, it will be hard to compete with $60 Helegaly (also probably with better build quality)

[tough agate]

What company makes the helegaly?

[silent geode]

I think they are new guys on the market

[tough agate]

looks pretty promising

but it still can't beat the ktr1 screen

[silent geode]

the thing I'm worried about is that A527 won't be strong enough for a high res screen like the one from KTR1

also it all depends on price, if its similarly priced than it will be a hard choice between them

[tough agate]

screen
resolution is only a small part of power consumption

[cobalt rose]

desktop resolution is a non-issue. the soc is equipped to decode 4k@60

[cobalt rose]

biggest issue will be tdp. a527 draws 1w at idle and 8.7 at max load, so it can get quite warm and battery-hungry on a 5000mah lipo. it's fine on small stff like gba and ps1, but when you make it push heavy n64, 3ds, or vita titles... you'll be looking at 2ish hour battery life.

22nm is like that

[tough agate]

vita titles on a device weaker than rp2s 🤔

[cobalt rose]

i got Drive Girls, TItan Souls, Dragon's Crown, Muramasa, and Odin SPhere all running pretty well at 405p

basically means 2d and simple 3d games are fair game. The wall begins at Dragon Quest Builders and Wipeout 2048 though. both play really well on t618 and are unplayable on a527 due to low fps and stuttery audio.

THere definitely is a "playable on a527" venn diagram of Vita games. THat's not going to stop newbs from trying other titles and complaining about it though

[near nova]

@jaylash this his exactly the battery experience I've had

[cobalt rose]

Looks like the new delta force game will be playable on day one:
#1347046772698124361 message

[river ether]

What?

[urban kite]

I couldn’t get vita to work on my 2+, but 3 plus works

[cursive sentinel]

After tariffs hit

[coarse temple]

how u know?

[vast karma]

Cause shipping stops or has stopped to the US and most probably won't drop a release til post may 2nd has gone into effect

[cobalt rose]

powkiddy is probably delaying release so they can steal the helegaly linux firmware

because ya know... that's how fartsniffing works

[peak dawn]

Lol

[cursive sentinel]

I don't.

[languid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-waiting-clock-late-tik-tok-gif-12611264352186177814

[kindred terrace]

WHEN WHEN WHEN?

[vapid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/eventually-marques-brownlee-sooner-or-later-mkbhd-gif-11548666401497233379

[coarse temple]

[storm dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-star-watch-patrick-star-time-patrick-patrick-watch-gif-24549688

[tough agate]

do yall think this device will have a better screen (when integer scaled) than the oled vita screen?

[muted falcon]

Doesn't seem to be that good for psp integer scaling unfortunately

[tough agate]

okay but you might want to play gba games on the ps vita

[final plover]

Honestly, at 1080p, not having integer scaling’s probably not a huge deal

Also, integer scaling is going to be impossible for PSP unless you’re using a PSP, Vita, or something with the Vita screen because of the resolution.

It’s 30:17 and those are the only screens with that ratio

[haughty patrol]

the M17 gives a perfect 1x scale for PSP

also honestly at 1080p it's nearly perfect 4x, just do a lil crop overscan, you won't lose too much

1920x1088... can do without those 8pixels

[tough agate]

actually you only lose 2 pixels

cause 272p cropped with 1080p is 270p

[haughty patrol]

oh yeah you are right, lol

[final plover]

We don’t talk about that one

[vast karma]

Look. They're right there!

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[languid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bearish-bearish-af-bearishaf-bear-teddy-gif-14284112562745911762

[near field]

I need this two tone abxy one

[muted falcon]

Tone35 mentioned

[kindred terrace]

I just need this one

No color

[near field]

I love retro handhelds to actually look retro

[haughty patrol]

I may go with cheese

but that depends on how transparent the "black" (?) one is in RL

[frank vessel]

Nothing like red buttons and dpad ta ruin the look of a handheld

[near field]

imagine if the red one had red sticks too

[storm dagger]

🤮

[tough agate]

this is what I would need

otherwise I would buy a white model

could be a nice contrast to my black vita

especially since I am planning to use 1 bag for both since they are so similar in size

[vapid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/marlon-webb-but-i-got-a-watermalon-instead-but-i-got-a-watermelon-instead-watermelon-watermelon-helmet-gif-21653567

[vapid frigate]

The Sticks look ssssoooooo tiny lol

[coarse temple]

retro style a bit fucked

[muted falcon]

Wait why is the rg505 here

[cunning crane]

Terrible DMG color matching competition

(We all lose)

[muted falcon]

Actually yeah why are all of these so ugly

[cunning crane]

I feel like these companies grab onto the body and button color (but don’t always nail it) and then neglect the texture and other design elements that make the DMG what it is. You see a lot of “wrong” d-pad colors too

D-pad should be straight black if they wanna do a DMG colorway

[rich plover]

yeah they also always have snes dpads not dmg ones. 8bitdo is the only one ive seen get that right

[pine slate]

8bitdo handheld when?

[languid summit]

This is to show evolution of handheld 2-3 years after 😄

RG505 still better than the others (except his majesty premium Ayaneo Pocket (F)ace)

https://tenor.com/view/lady-gaga-poker-face-cant-read-my-dancepop-ill-get-him-hot-gif-21661935

[vast karma]

GKD little don't fail me now!

[cunning crane]

Idk what this gif is but it makes me uncomfy

[rich plover]

i thought it was from illbleed but i think its not

[ivory kettle]

Man, that exact picture of the rg505 would’ve actually been pretty damn accurate to the original DMG if that was the colors they used.

Since a lot of the “warm light brown” colors in shells were literally from UV Degradation.

[near field]

I know it's not accurate but I enjoy my cigarette stained miyoo mini plus colourway

[rich plover]

yeah lol i like it even if its not very dmg accurate

[near field]

it actually reminds me of the c64

[rich plover]

yeah it is very 80s even if its not accurate to the specific 80s machine its trying to be lol\

[lone wedge]

Integer scaling

[vast karma]

Yellow miyoo mini is my favorite. I wish the pkmn yellow classic had that yellow

[near field]

I can't stand the shoulder buttons on the OG mini

[rich plover]

yeah lol worst part about it for sure. i still use mine but almost never for games that need shoulders

[vast karma]

To be fair I mostly use it for save states and FF in most games. Sometimes to cycle through menus

[proven timber]

oh boy reminds me i havent taken my KT out of the drawer in months

[acoustic rover]

I'm trying to figure out what pk is going to do about tariffs.

Not vaporware but not done yet

And right now everyone is hitting pause

[keen basalt]

Yeah that’s a big concern

Maybe it’ll work if us peeps pay a little more in shipping like it is with what retroid is doing right now

[acoustic rover]

From experience, I'd just say wait six months (this is foreign policy related, not handheld related)

[peak dawn]

So basically 2026

[acoustic rover]

Like q4 yeah at least.

Political views either left or right aside, these tariffs were a shit idea. Like operationally the whole move fast and break shit thing is not good for any economy.

[kindred terrace]

Why, as if usa is the only country buying? Us europeans will buy two if they release in may, promised!

[acoustic rover]

I mean wait 6 months for the tariffs. They aren't sustainable and I don't think they thought that through completely.

[acoustic rover]

Keep in mind that PK's biggest customer base is actually Chinese buyers.

[cobalt rose]

Old America buying up the power and handing it to an angry grampa to screw over new America is just the tip of the iceberg

[haughty patrol]

we buying Ayaneo Pocket ACEs just to spite the US guys for delaying our latest Retroid devices with their bullshit

[haughty patrol]

I mean, they make it incredibly hard to obtain their stuff here in Germany AND it's usually as or even more expensive as better options from let's say Anbernic... so yeah, no surprise it ain't doing to well

[proven root]

This. It’s bigger than western audience combined. But… they also have many companies to rival their market share.

[tough agate]

yeah in that case they have no reason to hold back releasing this thing

[near field]

Canadian here, excited for rgb50 and v90s

[acoustic rover]

I think the larger point is that it's still cooking

[near nova]

Anyone know what percentage of Chinese people actually use these types of handhelds? Has it even penetrated 10% of the population in China

[cunning crane]

I doubt it

[tough agate]

I don't even think 10% of chinese people even own a switch let alone a powkiddy.

[near nova]

So that means that there's still a lot of share to be gained if more people notice these things or start to want to use them so yeah I think that they will be able to flourish easily just within China regardless of what happens overseas. This is why I wish we could get somebody over here to actually manufacture these as well and compete. The original Atari and the original Apple 2 used a CPU made completely in the US for example it's a shame that we weren't able to keep that going as we moved into this technological age

[mortal dirge]

I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that because it hasn't cracked 10% of the population in China it has a lot of room to grow

[near nova]

Im I'm making many assumptions yes but if you look at something like the use of the VCR there were less than 10% of people that had VCRs in the pre-1985 era for example and that blossomed once they became more popular. You can also look at home computers as well that really took off after 1995 and Windows 95. So I'm making an assumption based on the same thing that if there was some sort of catalyst that could move it from a niche into mainstream

[frank vessel]

I'm ready for the retro handheld revolution fa sho dood!!!

[solar sonnet]

It's a very grey line to do something like this. The whole point is to pretty much is to play ROMs that you acquire yourself which makes it general user unfriendly unless it comes shipped with the games which is a no-no

Evercade is probably the closest we will get in the West where they've licensed the games

The cost of labour now in the west is now much higher compared to Asia. Several factors worth. Making that a big hill to climb if people want the source of manufacturing to be in the west

Using phones as a parallel. IIRC, this phone is manufactured in the US and parts are also sourced there. Its at least double or triple the price of a comparable phne https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

[quasi bridge]

10% of chinese population is 140 million people

[tough agate]

Yeah I was pretty confident about it being high like that

[quasi bridge]

it would definitely be the highest selling console if so many chinese people had that

and retro handhelds wouldn't be a niche market at all

[tough agate]

I think powkiddy is lucky to get sales of 0.1% of the population on all their handheld sales combined

but tbh meeting a powkiddy user out of a 100 people sounds pretty insane

[quasi bridge]

0,1% is one out of 1000

[lone wedge]

Probably high quality

[tough agate]

yeah I just accidently made a typo

[kindred terrace]

Chinese people don’t have time to play games. They only work

[scarlet orbit]

plenty of technology that faded out by being obsoleted/redundant before gaining market share

[vast karma]

Probably have more time than we do at this point

[near nova]

Yeah that really puts it in perspective. And to be clear I wasn't talking about using a certain single handheld I meant all of them combined over the last 10 years as in any citizen has touched at least one and played one

[mortal dirge]

I think you are vastly overestimating the potential of the retro handhelds market; it's growing, yes, but it's never going to have the appeal of a PlayStation or a Nintendo Switch; we are not going to go mainstream in the broadest sense. Comparisons to the adoption of VCR or home computers are way, way, way too optimistic right now in my opinion

[near nova]

Very valid points as I am definitely an optimist. I guess my overall question is whether or not are impact on their ability to survive as companies within China matters or not and by our referring mainly to us buyers

[mortal dirge]

well, if it helps, US sales to these Chinese manufacturers are estimated to be around 20 to 30% right now

they will take a hit, but survive

[primal wagon]

Just look at Huawei. Getting banned in USA has done nothing to halt their growth. In fact, its prompted them to expand into components that they would have continued purchasing if they weren't banned.

[vast karma]

Yeah. The US isn't as critical as it once was. Especially as electronics and components got way more affordable

[near field]

Biggest barrier to retro handhelds is that even in a world where 100% of people wanted to play retro games many would rather use devices they already own like phones, laptops, tablets, htpcs, etc

[vast karma]

Still gotten to a pretty impressive performance and price point even with that hurdle

[proven root]

10% of china population is 140 million 🤣

Thing is these are absolute nostalgia devices

If you had no concept of a gameboy when you grew up then you won’t even be interested in these

Most rural chinese citizens don’t have that

[tough agate]

That's a bold claim

my favorite game ever made is on the gba and I grew up with my parent's pc playing minecraft

[proven root]

you grew up playing minecraft 🤔 you’re quite young…

[near field]

I know zoomers who own typewriters and vinyl record collections

they definitely sell retro handhelds to the under-30 set

[proven root]

Pretty rare imo, they usually prefer mobile games, pc games and more modern titles

Nintendo only began to officially enter in Mainland China in the 2000s. In the 90s government regulations made it extremely limited.

[tough agate]

yeah I'm 18

[proven root]

Famiclones are very popular though!

[proven root]

The government even banned home consoles in the 2000s so bye bye Nintendo 🤣

[proven root]

Point is no nostalgia factor for people that didn’t have them before

[frank vessel]

It's probably for the best. I'm kinda getting sick of all the dmg and black and red nes colorways that take up a spot for a original colorway.

[lone wedge]

i mean everyone can be a purist with hobbies there are demographics but anyone can pick up any hobbt for any reason

[lone wedge]

i know im not here for any nostalgia but wii nostalgia

yet the super sp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is my target

my phone does dolphinbar very well

same wiimote i had back in the day

i forgot to give it to the guy i sold my wii to

[mortal dirge]

man, for your own sake I hope the super sp turns out good when/if it comes out

I don't know what you'll do with your life if it comes out and it turns out it's a dud

[muted falcon]

Wait for the super sp 2 of course

[lone wedge]

wdym why would it be bad

if it isnt good its not the super sp

theres no way magics will cal it that anyway

[tough agate]

I feel like you're never going to be satisfied

dualscreen android clamshell releases -> only has a 1080p screen, not 1440p -> sigh still not super sp

[kindred terrace]

Everybody, I just talked to the Vaporware Police and reported the RGB50. The officer told me we have a strong case here and they will contact @powkiddy soon to give them some serious interrogations .

[tough agate]

If this would actually be vaporware I would be so mad

I put all my hope into this lil guy to be my savior in the handheld market

well there's the rg47 but even if that's coming out I am most likely sure it's going to have large grips built in

So I don't have high hopes for that one

[cunning crane]

I know you’re trying to joke but you’re making it unfun to follow this channel and probably also unfun for the people sharing the information as they get it. Can you like… stop being so negative? Our PK contact said it’s still cooking. Products take time to get where they need to be.

[vast karma]

I got my GKD backup if this falls through. One of them will make it

[vast karma]

Anbernic broke people's brains.

[swift belfry]

Real shit they did. As cool as it is to have lots of options, we really don’t need more than 2-3 releases a year from a given manufacturer.

[vast karma]

Not at this point. Now a year or two from now we may miss it dearly

[kindred terrace]

While Powkiddy is taking its time to release a 4,5 inch 3:2 this is what meanwhile is happening at Anbernic

(Concept) , but they are releasing a 4,7 inch 4:3 handheld, most likely this month!

[cunning crane]

I love that the mock-up is just straight up the PowKiddy Rgb30 stretched out

[vast karma]

Very anbernic

[vapid frigate]

That RG ACE would kill. Fudge....

[high sorrel]

"yay, a 4:3 rgb30! now I won't suffer with a uncomfortable 1:1 display!"

[cobalt rose]

rg ace will be the new allwinner i take it

[near field]

I feel like it’s more likely to be a cube (hopefully the XX version) stretched out

[near field]

that being said 'beeg 4:3 rgb30' appeals a lot to me

if powkiddy can get that same screen

[cunning crane]

gonna get the 557 sticks I bet

[near field]

if so I'm fine with that if it's flat and pocketable like that RGB30 based mockup

if it's based on the cube and has grips you don't gain anything by going for small sticks

[tough agate]

because 4.7 displaying 1:1 is 4 inches

also I love this form factor

flat back, inline, recessed sticks

perfect for pocketability

[kindred terrace]

So here we are, 6 weeks further and nothing

Just renders

That is all we know

We have seen nothing so far

I guess I just wait a little longer

[haughty patrol]

we just buy Ayaneo Pocket ACEs until Powkiddy delivers

[near field]

One of the biggest markets for electronics is in the middle of shooting itself in the foot so I think a lot of people are waiting to see whether it bothers going to the hospital before deciding how to market and launch their next electronic item

[kindred terrace]

Usa is only 25%. 75% is china , europe, asia and rotw. Better sell it to the 75% who still wants cheap chinese stuff.

[near field]

and they will, but why not wait and see what that 25% is gonna do for a few weeks?

(I also suspect the entire new gen is stuck in software hell)

[kindred terrace]

Well, me as a European is gonna spend my money on those companies that still wants me as a customer. Maybe buy a RG557, RG406, Pocket Ace, or Action Pi. All nice 4 inch or bigger handhelds

[near field]

I'm mostly waiting for anbernic to do their 4.7" 4:3 handheld

(canadian here, so I'm also not directly affected by the footgunning competition to my south)

but if the rgb50 is pocketable and the anbernic 4.7" 4:3 is like a wide cubeXX that's a strong point for powkiddy

I was previously excited for the rgb10max4 that seems to have been cancelled because anbernic is abandoning the flat pocketable slab

[kindred terrace]

My ktr1 is pocketable.

The anbernic 4,7 in wont be pocketable.

[near field]

why not?

if it's a wide cubeXX it won't be

if it's just a wider rgb30 it will be

the screen is the same height

[kindred terrace]

I think a 4,5 inch 4:3 would be pocketable and the best “small” handheld

Everything bigger than that will be “big”

[near field]

I don't think an extra 0.2" is gonna ruin it

the rgb30 and rgb10max3pro are both pocketable

[near field]

yeah, wide rgb30 like that would be perfectly pocketable

[coarse temple]

rgb30 dezign 🫤

[near field]

I like the rgb30 design, my only real complaints were a mediocre dpad

[coarse temple]

wish they start use up-date screens without that horible bazzels

[near field]

but yeah imagine if the new anbernic handheld is 'beeg 35xxH'

rather than 'beeg cubeXX'

either one would be fine by me frankly, but I'm worried we'll get a stick top with just enough ergo to no longer be pocketable but not enough to be proper gamepad/dualshock layout

the worst of both worlds

[vapid frigate]

Donor v10 fixes that, really well both Membrane & D Pad itself lol

As well as that Kapton tape mod for no more False Diagnols

[near field]

yeah I don't really feel like buying two handhelds to cannibalize together just to get a fixed rgb30 in 2025 tho

[vapid frigate]

Fair, I did it lol. It's such a Massive Upgrade to the RGB30. If I had bought the RGB3O 1st hand from PK, I could have contacted PK directly and just bought a V10 D Pad right from them

However, I bought mine 2nd hand. So PK stopped messaging me

[near field]

I wish powkiddy would just make an rgb30mk2

[vapid frigate]

Yes!!!!!!!

I did a Whole Slew of Mods, with 1 more left to do on the way

[near field]

but yeah anbernic making a new handheld with a screen just as tall but 4:3 and higher res has me waiting to see what that looks like before buying anything else

[vapid frigate]

I am now team 1:1

[near field]

but powkiddy's controls actually getting good with the rgb10x and v10 has me excited for the rgb50 too

[vapid frigate]

I mocked it, I was wrong

[kindred terrace]

Why?

95% of all RETRO games were designed to play on a 4:3 screen!

From atari 2600 until ps2 !

[vapid frigate]

I'm old, my eyes suck. 4" screen & 720p is amazing

PortMaster games have Aspect Ratios for 1:1, most of them Anyway that work for rk3566 devices

[kindred terrace]

Only gb, gbc, gba, ngpc, lynx are the exceptions and one can discuss nes, snes, pc engine

[kindred terrace]

Show me your coloection of handhelds

I dont want anything less than 4,0 inch too

(Retroid mini exception)

[vapid frigate]

Snes 8:7, Interger Scale & Overscale

[kindred terrace]

But Arcade , ps 1, ps2, gamecube, n64, saturn, dreamcast. All 4:3

[vapid frigate]

Arcade Shmups lookamazing on the 1:1 because I can see the screen with less Black bars than the 4:3 screens lol

[vapid frigate]

V10 is a Donor unit & I'm using to play test ArkOS to help find Bugs. Same For Miyoo Flip

RGB30 is my Daily Driver, Rp4p is my 1st Retro Handheld & Baby, N3ds XL is from when it was new, Ally X is amazing

[near field]

8:7 snes, 16:15 nes, 10:9 gbc, and 3:4 tate arcade I think warrant having a 1:1 around maybe

[vapid frigate]

Are we Satisfied Zeph

[kindred terrace]

Here is my solution for that

[vapid frigate]

Magic X Zero Touch or what ever they were gonna call it

[kindred terrace]

Where are your retroid mini , pocket 5 and ayn odin 2 portal ?

[vapid frigate]

It's ugly as Hell, but it prob wins the Shmup race lol

[kindred terrace]

Should be 3:4 for arcade shooters

[vapid frigate]

I got the 4 pro in 2024, I ain't upgrading. And I definitely ain't made of Money. Contrary to what my Child tells me lol

4 pro basically plays Ps2/Wii/GC & under perfectly outside of a Small % of Ps2 games. Like 1% of the Emulatable stuff

[near field]

yeah they went with 3:5 which actually is perfect for NDS (you want a little taller than 2:3 so you can still have a screen gap)

[tough agate]

what's wrong with not having a gap?

[vapid frigate]

It's supposed to be more accurate to the actual DS hardware

[tough agate]

that's like saying turning down brightness for gba is more accurate to hardware