Powkiddy RGB50

[near field]

if you're a PS2/GC kid you want a snapdragon, if you're a 5th gen and down kinda guy budget priced t618 level perf but with firmware support is the dream outside of disappointing sega saturn

[keen basalt]

The only thing confusing me is the A733 gpu which is neither adreno, Mali or powervr

[quasi vortex]

Hm. Good enough for n64/dc/psp upscaled and some lighter gc games

[keen basalt]

I looked it up apparently the bxm is a midrange powervr gpu.

bxe is entry level and bxt is a high end powervr gpu

[wraith fulcrum]

One of mine broke today, so I'm extra bitter

But damn it's a comfy handheld

[quasi vortex]

Not much use outside of that unless you're willing to spend the rest of your life tweaking

But for $100? Seems competitive, I'm a little wary of the GPU side though

[keen basalt]

Good enough for the price you be paying is say

If it’s not more powerful than a g99 I can’t be above 100

It might be below 90

[quasi vortex]

LPDDR5 and UFS 3.0 sound nice but I bet they're going to go with eMMC 5.1 as a cost cutting measure

[keen basalt]

It’s not Qualcomm though, don’t they need to price it more competitive to get some market share

But maybe you’re right

[quasi vortex]

$90 for that level of perf is very competitive

Compared to magicx's p65 offerings

[keen basalt]

It’s above a T620 though

[quasi vortex]

In CPU yeah, Not sure about GPU though

[keen basalt]

Yeah I couldn’t find anything about the gpu

Maybe the immature drivers might make it less powerful than a T618 in real life performance

[wicked gulch]

Jigg do u have that pfp because you are part of the Luigis got big titties community, or are u simply an ally

[keen basalt]

I have it because it chose me. (It popped up in my instagram feed)

[wicked gulch]

That's beautiful

[keen basalt]

So are you

[quasi vortex]

It starts with SoC speculation and PowerVR drivers

It ends with e-flirting

Beware the pipeline

A76 effect

Hold on

[keen basalt]

Well there aren’t many alternatives according to the information we got from jdewitz

[keen basalt]

Nah this must be edited

I don’t believe you

[quasi vortex]

Fact checked by real American patriots

True

[keen basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[vapid frigate]

Why are we doubting a Spruce Dev?

[proud ore]

What’s wrong with the sticks ? Is it because of how tall they are ?

[little maple]

Almost too tall lol

[near field]

The big sticks on the 406v just makes it feel like an actual gamepad, but yeah them being that tall while right next to the screen I could see being weird

[proud ore]

I actually don’t mind and prefer comfort over it being pocketable

and have a nice range of motion , aren’t they the same sticks on the RP5?

[little maple]

Yeah

[near field]

Less recessed though I think

At least on the 406v they protrude more

[proud ore]

I bought a RG556 and for the most part it’s great but damn the sticks suck , wish we got those sticks with the 556 first

[tough agate]

My phylosophy is
if a handheld is pocket sized it needs pocketable features to make sense. If not pocket sized it can be whatever you want on it, doesn't matter anyway.

[vast karma]

Does PK ever make them removable? Like could I pop them off and replace them with a printed piece?

[halcyon sage]

Watch Powkiddy put the Snapdragon Gen 2 on it just for the lolz

[near field]

💀

[lone wedge]

Fuckery department influence is strong

[compact escarp]

Which Gen 2?

[haughty patrol]

8 gen 2, obviously

it's the only one that supports Android and Linux as of yet after all

[near field]

Again, it’s confirmed t618 equivalent any any GC/ps2 you run on it is a “bonus”

Also I require that beige with 2 tone red/white buttons to make it to production

[tough agate]

More like 2 gen 8

[haughty patrol]

I'm with the prison color on this

red buttons on transparent black is nice

[mortal dirge]

instant banger

they'd smoke both Anbernic and Retroid overnight

[near nova]

Chinese leaks say allwinner a527p

Also calling it rgb45

Actually X45H

【泡机堂新机X45，4.5英寸3:2屏幕，全志A527，新的GBA神机？-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/jY310av

[icy venture]

Those straight lines on each of the edges of the bezel… bug me

[vast karma]

straight lines? you mean the decorative bits?

good to see their comment sections are just as helpful as ours

[lone wedge]

Can't desert you

[icy venture]

Yeah just each corner of the outside of the screen bezel…

Normally it would be rounded. But they’ve cut like a diagonal line

[vast karma]

Ah. Ok. I got you. Yeah. A little weird

Dunno if I'll care once the screens on

But yeah. Chip seems solid. It's all I wanted

Think it'll be under $100?

[ivory kettle]

Yeah, if it’s T618 level and it can support Linux, I can see it doing 3DS pretty well (this is mostly taking into account Azahar’s new setting toggle that honestly has helped a lot with performance for a good number of games).

[ember latch]

The E6Max can run 3DS games using the same chip. Dragon Quest XI works at 2x resolution, while Mario Kart 7 runs at 1x resolution. Using Azahar likely provides even better performance

[mortal dirge]

never gonna make you cry

never gonna say goodbye

[halcyon sage]

Missed opportunity to dominante the market tbh

[acoustic current]

pretty sure $250 would be the price floor on that handheld, not sure how that would dominate the mainstream market

they could make a worse odin 2 (for everything other than GBA and maybe PSP)

[halcyon sage]

I am joking

[mossy aspen]

I will buy the black one

[cobalt rose]

My max arrives in like 2 days. Ill be testing a ton of games out and posting videos
Poor sinyorksu being chased by every handheld maker now. Dude flooded bilibili with tech reviews and scared the market

[wicked gulch]

On the rgb50?

[acoustic current]

Only if it was a Qualcomm flagship SoC like others were suggesting. Powkiddy isn't that nuts though

[wicked gulch]

What are you referring to that will be 250?

[near field]

a hypothetical s8g2 powkiddy

this however is going to be t618 equivalent but not a t618 because this will support linux

[wicked gulch]

Ohhh

[wicked gulch]

Ty sm for the context I was confused

Yeah that hypothetically pk device would just be a pk5 in a x55 shell

[near field]

this is probably an a527 or something

and hopefully will be aggressively priced

since 'mid range' now means oled + sd865 for $199 they're gonna have to go a decent chunk cheaper to get away with switch sticks, IPS, and a chip that's unsuitable for ps2/gc

I guess in some ways despite being a fairly different form factor this is actually competing moreso with the RP classic's g1s2 at like $115

[wicked gulch]

I just pre-ordered the classic. It cost me.
More like one around one fifty

Cause they're shipping's like thirty five or something

[near field]

129 here after shipping

which granted powkiddy does free shipping to me

[mighty coral]

maybe they want HDMI, a523 doesnt have it

[near field]

I'm sure if they're actually using the allwinner 523/527 it would 100% come down to what the price difference is between them

[wicked gulch]

WEHHHH

[near field]

but yeah 'new chip' doesn't scream 'safe preorder' to me from either retroid or powkiddy

[wicked gulch]

Yeah tbh maybe I should cancel my pre-order if I still have time

[near field]

up to you, it's not exactly a life changing amount of money to gamble I imagine

[wicked gulch]

Do u remember how discounted the rp2s got

[near field]

my interest in the classic died when they revealed the chip mostly because I highly doubt we're gonna see any community firmware

[wicked gulch]

Like on black friday

[near field]

I don't think it was more than 10 or 20 bucks off

[wicked gulch]

Yeah 20 isn't a big deal

[acoustic current]

If it ever happens it's gonna be more crossmix and less rocknix

[wicked gulch]

Gamma os

[near field]

at this point so many handhelds can run mainline linux all across the price spectrum I don't know why I'd buy the ones that don't

my one exception is fat gameboy my beloved

can't wait for gamma lite on the 406v

[acoustic current]

Yup. I literally stopped following the classic once I saw funky snapdragon

[wicked gulch]

Gamma fixed the sticks on the 556

[near field]

gamma lite on the 405v was a dream

can't wait to put it on my 406v

battery life is gonna be hilarious

[acoustic current]

I'm so stubborn and stupid that I would have paid most of $200 for a classic with an sd865

As it is, my watch continues for a vertical Linux handheld that isn't pi based

[near field]

same. Would've paid like $170 for an sd865 classic 6 in a heartbeat.

if retroid is gonna abandon linux support after supporting it on exactly two handhelds (one of which wound up having a fake screen ) the RP5 will probably be both my first and last retroid product.

[acoustic current]

They probably got a smoking deal on that snapdragon chip and were like no one will notice

[near field]

I heard from a few people that the 865 is not that expensive atm

[acoustic current]

Its in closeout phase I'm sure

If they're still being made new Qualcomm can't charge kidney for them anymore

[near field]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a long tail of sorts where the 865 sticks around as a linux chip now that it's been mainlined but nobody uses it for android handhelds because it doesn't support up to date android builds

[wicked gulch]

That would actually be super fucking chill

That's the scenario where powkiddy eventually gets a 865

[acoustic current]

Like it would be good enough for most things indefinitely

Hopefully that success would encourage them to keep doing so with the 8 elite

[exotic tapir]

what's this? a cheap widescreen android handheld? sign me up pls

[wicked gulch]

More of a medium screen

[wraith fulcrum]

Well at least it‘s gonna run GBA well and probably be cheap

[wicked gulch]

Will it emulate psp well?

[wraith fulcrum]

Not as well as T618 from what I‘ve seen

[atomic drift]

only a527 device was this so far

not as good psp as the t618 by any means

[proven root]

Why didn't they call this RGB45 instead?

[wraith fulcrum]

Like it‘s 8 A55 cores, just with better cache and higher RAM clocks than RK3566

[atomic drift]

I mean the RGB30 has a 4" screen

[proven root]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-fair-enough-gif-26167449

[atomic drift]

tbf powkiddy's naming schemes aren't notoriously the best

[wraith fulcrum]

They‘re aggressively not the best, even

[proven root]

The chinese hates number 4 so it makes sense.

[keen basalt]

Imagine a Powkiddy RGB10Max3Pro with an Allwinner A733 Pro3

[wraith fulcrum]

Damn, I was really hoping they just figured out how to make a good A311D handheld

[tough agate]

atleast they are cool, I mean rgb50 just sounds pretty cool buuut it may have to do with the fact that 50 is my favorite number 😅

[wicked gulch]

Too bad its not an A where you dont have to wonder if it will play a particular psp game

Sometimes a B-rating will play all psp games depending on the device

But i doubt it

Lowkey im wondering how far off this is from the power of the rk3566

[quasi vortex]

So an overclocked a527

[acoustic rover]

I haven't seen this leak and I can't confirm that but I will say I was told rgb50.

I can only give what I was rtold I can give but if it leaks it leaks

Hu says the name isn't x45h but he's asking the team

[keen basalt]

You can just tell us and then delete it right away

[acoustic rover]

no i cant

[keen basalt]

If someone asks me I won’t tell on you

[acoustic rover]

Miyoo iced me out and I never said anything about the mini+

[keen basalt]

I’ll tell them that I’m blind on my right

And 43% blind on my left eye

[keen basalt]

Yeah I’m not being serious anyway, we will patiently wait

[acoustic rover]

Hu says ignore the name. Still the RGB50

[keen basalt]

I like how you pinned „before you hurt yourself“

[acoustic rover]

Well i dont want any broken hearts and you know how people are when they don't actually know anything about a platform

CPU speculation is always hilarious and watching people tie themselves up can be rough

they all want to play ps3 on a device that MIGHT do a few 2d ps2 games

the most you're going to get out of this is like 20% of the NGC library

[wicked gulch]

Anything miyoo releases is a leak anyway bcuz its half done

[acoustic rover]

people forget that the OG mini V1 was PROBLEMATIC

it ran itself out of memory and flipped the screen upside down if you played and exited 3-4 games in a row

[keen basalt]

Sounds like it’s possessed by a ghost

[acoustic rover]

It was a garbage implementation

but the community fixed it. Miyoo owes Jim

KTR1 screen confirmed by Hu

[wicked gulch]

Literally every miyoo device has been crippled by software lol

[wicked gulch]

IM SO EXCITED

[near nova]

There has been 2 versions of the ktr1 screen so hoping it's the newer one

[keen basalt]

Can you write „stop asking me about specs“ and pin it pls

[acoustic rover]

nah i dont mind when i can share

well it looks like i might have a prototype or dev unit, possibly even a retail in my hands before i get the v90

so at that time, i can shoot it and share

[near nova]

The screen itself make this worthy regardless of what the cpu can achieve

[humble pulsar]

it's the same panel btw, no difference between the two (in terms of the LCD itself). the lamination process might be slightly different

I have both, and can use old and new firmware on both screens, just the digitizer parameters have changed

[tough agate]

Honestly I don't even care what the chipset is as of now. No need to be impatient. What matters is that I'll do ps1 and n64 fine and that's enough information for me rn.

[near nova]

Awesome thanks for schooling me there. That's good to know

[near nova]

And really great GBA

[tough agate]

well yeah but gba preformance is hardly technically impressive

I do hope I'll be able to run gba in 2 frame runahead though

[keen basalt]

okay can I ask you about the specs then?

[wraith fulcrum]

I absolutely love speculating. Hell, what else there is to do in a rumor section of the server

But that's all it is — speculation

I'm like those people who watch the first few scenes of a murder mystery movie and try to guess who the killer was, same excitement

[keen basalt]

rumor mill the only reason why I'm on this discord

[wraith fulcrum]

Ooooh, so 1620x1080

I wonder if there's like a community bezel pack for this screen because a bunch of stuff is gonna have black borders

[wraith fulcrum]

Yeah, same. The sections for the devices that I do own are incredibly low-traffic anyways lol

[sweet juniper]

A527 with such a screen is kind of disappointing, need 5x (for psx/N64) and 3x (Dreamcast) and 4x (PSP) to meet/exceed the resolution of the screen, not sure if the a527 can do that even for psx, especially if pgxp options are used.
But might get it for just gba only if it's sub-100.

[keen basalt]

if you're being this harsh we'll never get hd screens on budget handhelds that are supposed to play 2d stuff 😭

so many people would kill for a 4'' 960x720 screen on an entry level handheld

[near nova]

That CPU has not been confirmed remember it's just a leak from China

[sweet juniper]

I mean if it's really budget, then yes it's fine. I would get it for just gba alone, only if it's below 100.

[keen basalt]

I can see that happening

[cobalt rose]

these are silly numbers

like, are you just looking for blurrier and blurrier textures with sharper and sharper jagged polygons, or is this just how you play

[wraith fulcrum]

Oh yeah I really hope it's something beefier

I mean, it's not just scaling, it's also higher-end emulators for 2D stuff and all the extra features

[sweet juniper]

That's just how I play. And even if playing at 1x (like with beetle psx or Saturn) , I would prefer integer scaling.
Cannot stand the scaling the display (or android) use to scale less than native resolution to panel native resolution.

On more expensive monitors and TVs it is still kind of acceptable (even if not ideal) as they have decent scalers.
On PC you can set GPU to do the scaling as well if your monitor do a poorer job.
Not an option for android/mobile screens.

[craggy trail]

If it's similar to t618 it would be fine

Not like rg406h but it would be fine

[cobalt rose]

if it's anything close to rg405v/m performance, that would be nice.

those two specifically accomplished a lot with the soft 640x480 panel. Not quite mini-crt though.

[vast karma]

Man. Checks the boxes I care about if cheap

[atomic drift]

the E6 Max? think it's normally around $80 on ali from what I've seen

[cobalt rose]

natives got it for 55usd. first international batchers got theirs for ~73-78usd with coupons. no clue what the actual price will be on launch. they can't go too high, because the tablet version is only like... 50usd

[vast karma]

In the US it was 90 with coupons. Eventually once there's sufficient stock he's dropping coupons to put it at $80

If international got it originally for 73-78 that's solid

[cobalt rose]

my guess is its the fees of using Cainao for shipping

whenever someone uses them, normal usps doesn't deliver my package. its always just a random dude lol

[vast karma]

Yeah. Probably. If we had that option I would have already ordered. but I trust him to drop coupons at some point. Heh

But yeah. If this ended up being well above $100 is probably skip

[cobalt rose]

looking forward to that Double-dash 30fps code stress test. Not even going to attempt native on this level of hardware

[vast karma]

Honestly just so many options past that point while this still offers some uniqueness in the budget range

I mean I know everyone is chasing the ratio

[cobalt rose]

yeah.

I expect this and the others in this power range to be decent 3ds/vita machines, which is fine

[vast karma]

And pretty killer for most stuff lower

[cobalt rose]

if MK7 and Dragon Quest 9 are already running full speed, that means the mid stuff like Legend of Legacy and Dead or Alive Dimensions will also run well

[vast karma]

Maybe if I operated purely in the budget world, but most of the higher stuff I'd play on my Odin 2 anyway. But this would be a nice budget compliment if you already got a premium device, or even midrange

[cobalt rose]

most of the chinese reviews highlight it as a cheap android gaming platform. (genshin, zzz, and PubG/Fortnight footage.) kids probably like -that- more.

i guess the question "why" exists. for me, budget options are what i bring to work because i'm not afraid of them breaking backstage

[crystal topaz]

RP3+ remake?

[wicked gulch]

That's a good question!

[mortal dirge]

oh shit

this might be the first exciting powkiddy in a long time

[cobalt rose]

they've been floundering for a while according to Calten

[craggy trail]

If it's actually t618 performance they have to price very well

[cobalt rose]

lotta tossing units in the trash at the engineering level

[cobalt rose]

not too well. They still have the x28 which sells decently as an android gaming handheld

its main set-apart feature is still the Powkiddy button that opens/closes a screenmapper and memorizes what program it was used for.

[craggy trail]

Of course

[cobalt rose]

i wonder if the rgb50 will have that button

[craggy trail]

Maybe they will have that button

[cobalt rose]

if it doesn't, 0/10

@acoustic rover will it have -the button-?

[peak dawn]

Maybe this will beat the helegale for launch

[vast karma]

Haha. Too true. I'm at least more likely to throw it in my pocket without a case

[silent geode]

You guys are setting up for a dissapointemnt if you are expecting T618 level CPU

@acoustic rover said that you may expect only 20% of Gamecube catalogue to be playable.

[cobalt rose]

odroid said that about the s922x, and then retroarena and rocknix/jelos happened. We had epic mickey running in like month one

[acoustic rover]

So this CPU scores about 200 points less in benchmarks than the t618. So it's like 2,100 versus 23 to 2400

Reportedly the t618 is about 11% more performant

Cpumarks: 2575 to 2297, if benchmarks matter

But you probably won't get much more squeeze out of it than that.

[wraith fulcrum]

That sounds great tbh

[near field]

Uhh, you sure you want to give the exact cpu mark score? I just was able to figure out exactly what cpu this is from that

Not gonna share because I don’t want to get you in trouble

@acoustic rover

[cobalt rose]

HEH

you sneaky dog

[keen basalt]

Proceeds to feed us with benchmark scores to speculate

hurts himself

[cobalt rose]

At least we've exited rk3566 hell

[near field]

I mean I am going to buy this as soon as one good cfw releases a build that supports it

MuOS with a BSP kernel might be first, I don’t think this cpu is mainline yet so rocknix support might be a way out

Knulli is probably gonna be the first ES firmware

[cobalt rose]

status of arkos fork: bmdhacks waiting on unit
status of batocera fork: hackaround slamming his head against no uboot and a bad mali blob

we're going to be stuck with android for a few months at least.
maybe @rapid niche will fork Retroarena

[acoustic rover]

It's already leaked

[keen basalt]

A733 it is

Damn

[near field]

No

[acoustic rover]

The good news is that it's a well known pentium

[keen basalt]

My bad

But what else got leaked

[atomic drift]

A527?

[little maple]

I was hoping for a Xeon personally

[acoustic rover]

Well the name in the video is wrong it's not the x45h

[near field]

That certainly fits the benchmarks and the leak

[atomic drift]

aye yeah

[near field]

Just hope we get good cfw

I hope powkiddy sends a dev unit to muOS as well as rocknix/theRA/gamma

[keen basalt]

Maybe

[keen basalt]

Power delivery and battery drain is gonna be more interesting than actual performance on this thing

This might be a handheld you can charge over night with a usb c to c cable

[atomic drift]

wait a minute

someone updated the performance scores today

[keen basalt]

I remember magicx planning on using this as well

[vast karma]

Where's this sheet at?

[atomic drift]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1irg60f9qsZOkhp0cwOU7Cy4rJQeyusEUzTNQzhoTYTU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

N64, DC, and PSP have all been upgraded to "A" level performance today

[quasi vortex]

A tier for DC and PSP is a stretch

[vast karma]

Sus

Who's on PK payroll?

Lol

[cobalt rose]

not if you look at all of the bilibili reviews. anyone running GoW at 1x or 2x got 45-60 fps.

[quasi vortex]

PSP should be B+ tier

Or A- if we're being generous

[cobalt rose]

it was the reviewers playing at 1080p getting like 20fps

B+ or A- is fair

[quasi vortex]

Dreamcast B+

PSP A-

[atomic drift]

I wonder what new info was provided

I assume they wouldn't do that without evidence

[cobalt rose]

oh... so its all armchair judgement.

[vast karma]

PK lurker was like "they're interested, bump it up"

[cobalt rose]

-opinion discarded-

[atomic drift]

It's typically pretty accurate from what I've tested

[vast karma]

Yeah. Would be nice if it was just tied to some metric

[lilac spade]

yeah its great for like a quick reference

[vast karma]

Like tested against x number of titles and meets y metric

[lilac spade]

someone needs to make a testing standard lol

[quasi vortex]

I'd put GC/Wii in C- tier

[cobalt rose]

here's the thing. if someone makes like 30 10 minute videos of hard stuff running close to 60, that's at least A-

[atomic drift]

The only real thing I look at in this spreadsheet is what platforms get an A, because everying B and down heavily depends on settings and CFW from my experience

[quasi vortex]

GC C-
Wii D+?

[cobalt rose]

if someone makes that same number of videos of gamecube games playable at 50% underclock, B-/C+

[atomic drift]

Well they did say 20% of GC library

It's better than a D

[quasi vortex]

Yea

[atomic drift]

but not strong enough to be a C 😆

[quasi vortex]

I'd say C- for GC

[cobalt rose]

this whole "I saw stuttery audio in re4 and did no tweaks; F+/D-" metric is kinda wack

[vast karma]

Time to start a patreon and hire some testers XD

[wicked gulch]

LETS GO

[quasi vortex]

As for psp it should run all 222mhz games at 2x/3x resolution

[cobalt rose]

well, at least 5 people are getting e6max units today. probably two of those people will start brute-force testing and posting videos.

[quasi vortex]

That's where most lower end (i.e. rk3566) devices get gpu limited

[wicked gulch]

I hope this does better 5hen 3566 at hard to run psp games

[quasi vortex]

I remember seeing motorstorm not quite running at fullspeed

Not sure what resolution tho

[wicked gulch]

Death Jr playable 🤞

[cobalt rose]

that's fixable. I have motorstorm locking 30 on my rk3566.

[quasi vortex]

Oh!

[cobalt rose]

there are so many post-processing layers in motorstorm, it breaks itself in emulation. you can turn them off and get zero graphics change with a cheat

[wicked gulch]

Is @feral nimbus getting one sent today, I wanna see that stream

[quasi vortex]

As for gcn I think lighter games like alien hominid and maybe luigi's mansion will be fine

[wraith fulcrum]

Oh fuck I didn't think they were talking about multithread score

[cobalt rose]

don't know. don't remember him in the few people that bought at the 79usd window

[quasi vortex]

Double dash too with the 30fps gecko code

Wii might be able to run muramasa at fullspeed

[cobalt rose]

gamecube has stuff like kururin squash, red faction 2, one piece - grand adventure, the mario party stuff, rogue ops, conflict - desert storm.... those are all mid and lower-demand games. I expect those all to run fine

[quasi vortex]

Seen that running at around 30fps on the h700 of all things

Of course everything crumbles to the ground when there's enemies on screen and combat going on

[cobalt rose]

i think 20% is "20% of the games people like to play"
Like Crash Nitro Cart will run on even the a311d(but its barely mentioned)

[quasi vortex]

Then again that's at like 0.6x resolution with every speedhack in existence

[quasi vortex]

Twilight princess might be passable too

That's on the lower end of gc afaik

[cobalt rose]

yeah. it'll all even out once game-testing begins

[craggy trail]

Okay it's like t610 level than t618

Win wib

[near field]

Yeah as someone who doesn’t care about gc/ps2 on a pocket handheld at all this is looking better every day

[cobalt rose]

I expect -at least- Choro Q to work in nethersx2 because that runs well on the 405v without the fan and cpu set the default. It's a very mid game

[wraith fulcrum]

Okay, correct if I'm wrong, but it's only T610 level in tests that account for multithread which is pretty meaningless for emulation, no?

It's about 40% less than T618 in single thread

[north path]

I'm hesitant about any scores yet because I really haven't seen any videos yet besides 60 second preview showcases

Plus no Linux yet and I'm not sure what support the chip even has on the Android builds

[craggy trail]

I don't mind to use this device as psp ,dc and n64 and middle device for ps2 and gc

[cobalt rose]

the chip ships with android 13 and armbian support.

what's lacking is peripheral sources. only powkiddy, gamemt, helegaly, etc. have those

[quasi vortex]

Until you account for single core performance

[cobalt rose]

this is why every linux dev is kinda in a frustration loop at the moment. getting peripheral sources is the hard part

[craggy trail]

Maybe but a527 should capable of dc n64 and psp

[craggy trail]

Single core performance

[quasi vortex]

N64 should be just fine

DC and PSP, all but the heaviest

[wraith fulcrum]

Yeah, that's kinda my understanding as well

[cobalt rose]

its also up in the air because the review showcases are all different.

[craggy trail]

You are telling heaviest psp and dc could struggle

Me *

[cobalt rose]

several people stuck at 20's fps and several people running at 60 with no mention of vulkan/opengl, alpha unit, or whatever

[wraith fulcrum]

I mean, maybe someone really talented will one day squeeze every last bit of power from this to bring full PSP

But it's sure not great for a consumer to depend on CFWs that much

[sweet juniper]

Magicx couldn't get PSP gow to run full speed on a 2ghz version of the a523, be it 1x or 2x without the 30fps cheat, so yes the single core performance is limiting things.

[cobalt rose]

greatest fear: its android running on a 4.x kernel with an unlocked fat32 boot sector

great for tweaking, BAD for performance

[wraith fulcrum]

Yeah, the videos I've seen for A523/A527 tablets showed similar results

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cj-gta-gif-4582277092841105181

[wraith fulcrum]

I honestly think MagicX was one of the few companies that realised people are asking about GoW not because they want to play GoW that bad but as a benchmark

[sweet juniper]

They made a choice to change the one35 from a523 to p65 which is a good decision, else the gap between a133p devices and the a523/a527 devices initially planned is just not big enough

[wraith fulcrum]

Yeah, that's honestly a very good chip for this

[haughty patrol]

I won't judget the A523 based on tablet performance, given how a bad android implementation could definitely take away from it, but ehhh... I saw stuff run better on h700 devices

[wraith fulcrum]

We need to tell Sean to get a KT-R1 screen 😄

[cobalt rose]

i mean... you go from not running liberty city stories to close to full speed, but jumping to full speed with the p65 is a good call

[quasi vortex]

Clamshell with ktr-1 screen when

[keen basalt]

Yes I know what means. Hate when that happens

[haughty patrol]

tho I have lil confidence in Powkiddy to provide a proper Android environment either... so this will probably struggle with N64 already

[sweet juniper]

Didn't powkiddy have the lowest performing t618 devices (stock/without gammaos) ?

[cobalt rose]

oh no... what if.... closed source PowkiddyOS

and its just a hack of jelos

[wraith fulcrum]

Well tbf they also had the most performant RK3566 ones, but IIRC that was due to better memory chips, not incredible software skills

[haughty patrol]

yeah and we still don't have GammaOS for 'em

[keen basalt]

Yes the X28 in particular made gamma pull his hair out

[haughty patrol]

*x28

[keen basalt]

thanks

[wraith fulcrum]

[haughty patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/periodicazo-fifidonia-newspaper-gif-5642703893973833213

[wraith fulcrum]

Anyways, best of luck to PK and I wish someone else picks this screen

[keen basalt]

Can’t get worse than the RGB10Max4

[muted falcon]

Emphasis on the someone else

[haughty patrol]

I mean the x28 is pretty solid hardware for Powkiddy, but yeah the software side is... interesting at the very least... I hope this one will be easy to support with GammaOS/Linux CFW

also if they don't use the V10 d-pad on this I will riot

[wraith fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/point-hehe-haha-smiling-i-see-what-you-did-there-gif-21567119

[acoustic rover]

Rocknix doesnt work with allwinner. I've asked for Gamma to get one.

[near field]

Dang. Fingers crossed for muOS but gamma lite would also slap

[tough agate]

wait, the rgb50 chipset has been leaked?

[near field]

Yeah someone in China leaked it as a527

[tough agate]

is there any handheld that has this chip?

[muted falcon]

E6 max

[feral nimbus]

I’m out of action for a few months I’m afraid

[mighty coral]

uhm bad mali blobs seems to be a running theme with allwinner

[tough agate]

mali blobs?

[mighty coral]

gpu driver

[near field]

blob = closed source chunk of code provided by the chip maker instead of actually upstreaming proper gpu support into FOSS renderers etc

basically this chip can run linux but it does in on a vendor provided fork of 5.15 rather than mainline linux 6.10 or 6.11 so you're losing out on years of improvements and bug fixes.

[tough agate]

Shouldn't be too bad right?

after all there is not much of a bar to clear here

ur gonna be doing upmost psp emulation reliably on it

[near field]

On Linux that will depend on whether the bsp package supports Vulkan. I think allwinner is usually good for that though.

[craggy trail]

At least as long it can most of dc and psp well

I Don't mind

[near field]

IIRC the a133p supports Vulkan in Linux so I’m hopeful here

My main use for this handheld would be Linux + slang shaders

[tough agate]

on the android side of things it shouldn't have any of this right?

[near field]

No clue what version of android this chip supports or the implications there. Not really an android guy

powkiddy stock android has not always been the best

but if gamma whips something up it'll be 🔥 and he has already worked with this screen at least (ktr1)

[cobalt rose]

A527 has android 13 support. Powkiddy may or may not screw that up

ljke, the generic dev board pine64 sells has a full distro that can be downloaded and installed, adapted, or whathaveyou

[near field]

hopefully powkiddy has some source code to share with devs as well as units to work on

[cobalt rose]

same goes for debian arm Linux support

Until a done, and bug checked cfw is released though, there's always going to be a "does this support linux" question.

[vast karma]

Always wondered. Is there a way to root and just run stock on these devices? I know you might lose some controller integration maybe?

[ivory kettle]

You using DHL or 4PX? 4PX should only be $15 for the North America region.

[ivory kettle]

Well I wouldn’t say that considering they’re still supporting Linux on the SD Flip 2.
I think they’re working on Linux for this thing, but this time they might be learning from past mistakes to only promise stuff when they can actually confirm being able to do it.

Or at least, I hope that’s the reason, since I would hope they had actually learned from those mistakes.

[vast karma]

Is Linux support actually something they have to turn on. I thought it was just the 865 had devs put in the effort, so doing on on other devices with 865 is a lower lift

[near field]

its something that requires a lot of work either by the people selling the hardware or by FOSS devs hacking away at it unsupported

[vast karma]

Ah. Gotchya

[ivory kettle]

There was some effort done beforehand for it, but most of the help in getting everything working was actually done by Retroid making and providing the open sourced Linux Kernels for the 865.

[near field]

the 865 itself was already supported in the mainline linux kernel and then retroid actually provided sources for the peripheral stuff

the new g1 chip from qualcomm should get kernel support from qualcomm but they aren't going to do that.

[mighty coral]

there was a lot of work on sd845 from Odin Pro that helped on SD865

[vast karma]

So whenever Linux is supported it's that the chip makers actually made that possible, or devs hacked through it. Not necessarily that they're shipping the unit with a Linux OS

[mighty coral]

Im sure there is some crappy tinalinux build for a523

[near field]

the rgb50 is coming with a chip where it looks like getting a linux build that uses the closed source gpu blob and BSP kernel would be doable

like how muOS works on h700 chips or knulli on the a133p

[vast karma]

So we might get Linux but not be able to do much optimization with it?

[near field]

but rocknix = mainline only so unless the 527 gets mainlined rocknix is not going to support it.

[near field]

basically yeah, you'll be able to config stuff and compile stuff for it to optimize but you'll be using a closed BSP kernel so you can't make any kernel level changes.

[mighty coral]

h700 took quite a gargantuan effort by the sunxi community

[near field]

yeah, it's not like BSP kernel firmware has to suck - arkOS is BSP, muOS is BSP, knulli is BSP

mainline is better but if this gets muOS I'll buy it anyway

[vast karma]

More so that if it does suck there's not much we can do about it

[near field]

see: the battery bugs in the 3566 bsp kernel that we had to live with for a long time before the 3566 got mainline support

but the a133p BSP kernel used in the TSP seems surprisingly decent. Supports vulkan, good sleep mode.

so I'm cautiously optimistic for a BSP kernel 527 firmware

[lone wedge]

limbo is present

[near field]

?

[lone wedge]

minui has the limbo issue with a133p devices

apparently its popped up with the mero28

[near field]

is that bug present in knulli for the TSP?

[tough agate]

OH MY GOD

muos was MustardOS this whole time???

[near field]

Yes

[tough agate]

I always thought it was a cow os

[near field]

[sleek wren]

Where the fuck is my SpaghettiOS

[near field]

I still think we should get ASBestOS (allwinner software best OS)

[modern crypt]

Someone port TempleOS to allwinner

[near field]

I still want a retro handheld maker crazy enough to make a mini laptop that boots straight into DOSBOX-X running win98se

https://tenor.com/view/3do-homm3-heroes3-heroes-of-might-and-magic-heroes-of-might-and-magic3-gif-20077853

[vapid frigate]

" WiLl ThIs HaVe OnIoN Os "

[manic herald]

So... a little worse than a Snapdragon 660 in terms of perf?

[vapid frigate]

T618 in terms of Performance. Full N64/Psp/DC. Lite GC, 20% rough estimates

[manic herald]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5591vs4033/Allwinner-A527-vs-Unisoc-T618
Seems worse than T618

[vapid frigate]

Emulators have also come farther than they were last year. But yes

[last ice]

Hmm, single thread difference is looking significant.

[near field]

yeah it'll do less ps2/gc than t618 does

but should still be fine for dc/psp

[last ice]

Are N64 and DC multithread friendly?

[near field]

dunno, but the 3566 is almost good enough to run those.

this should be over the line

[cobalt rose]

For any interested, gamecube vids will be posted tonight.

[wraith fulcrum]

Just a netbook with one of those iPad screens would be awesome

[cobalt rose]

I absolutely do not expect rogue squadron to work, so that will not even be looked at

[near field]

1000%

[mortal dirge]

this actually a thing, kind of: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005007016599374.html

there are a few of these floating around Ali, but can't vouch for how good they actually are

[near field]

yeah I'm hoping to emulate a pentium 1/2 rather than run a real 386

(also that screen on a 386 is a travesty)

[mortal dirge]

ah, yeah, the specs aren't exactly great

it's a neato idea though, if someone did a premium version of that thing

[covert sapphire]

This pic rules

WHYYYY

I'm gonna scream and shit

There we go, god

Great pic

Looks really comfortable

[wraith fulcrum]

Oh I forgot, these guys are actually making an MSX laptop with an iPad 2 screen now

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156685326770

It's FPGA-based, don't know if the 486 core is ported to it though

[near field]

oh man

that would be pretty sweet

[cobalt rose]

I have a feeling vita will be great on this since all vita games were designed for 4xA9@500mhz. Ratchet and clank collection, for instance.

[acoustic rover]

That's running it native. This is an emulation handheld and you're not going to run Vita games natively. I don't know if Vita 3K will even run.

PSP though. Shouldn't be a problem.

Im baffled

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Powkiddy-RGB50-revealed-as-new-3-2-retro-gaming-handheld-disruptor.984755.0.html

Dude went from never citing me to just plastering my name all over the fucking story

This is completely unnecessary

a little bit weird

[near field]

I need this handheld to turn out well

[little timber]

Please tell me the triggers are in line

Plz I need it for pocketability

[acoustic rover]

I think they are but I haven't seen the top

[near field]

yeah that's a concern of mine

[acoustic rover]

PK doesn't usually do stacked triggers though

[near field]

stacked could be ok if they're still digital without a big bump like on my sn30 pro

[acoustic rover]

Yeah man I'm uncomfortable seeing my name this many times in a row.

[near field]

like these are stacked without sacrificing pocketability (the full sized sticks make that gamepad not super pocketable regardless though)

[acoustic rover]

I have the sn30 pro and I love it as well

The triggers feel a little bit short but it's a decent compromise to be able to stuff it in my bag

[near field]

I wish they'd make an m30 pro that is just an sn30 pro but shaped like an m30 with the m30 dpad lol

[acoustic rover]

I still use my Xbox 360 controller 😂

[little timber]

I just don’t want a massive trigger shelf

[near field]

because currently I alternate between the m30 and the sn 30 pro for what my laptop bag gamepad is

[little timber]

That kills pocketability

[languid summit]

This article is really badly written and it looks he throw your name as the "serial leaker" there.... hope your reputation will not suffer for it

[near field]

yeah this handheld only makes sense if it's flat enough to be pocketable

[north path]

I guess he really wants to source properly? Still a bit weird

[acoustic rover]

I mean it's a little weird the way it's written right?

[languid summit]

sure

[acoustic rover]

I don't have a need to be "the guy"--I'm just doing this because it's fun and I have an ongoing dialogue with some of these companies for a range of things.

I never leak anything

I only post what I'm allowed

Anyway whatever.

[languid summit]

I guess we should all post a comment and request to delete this trash article

[acoustic rover]

I think that's taking it a little far. Let's just let it be 😂

At least it's cited

[languid summit]

it's a joke, don't take it personally 😄

[acoustic rover]

"text based communication"

You got a 50/50 on whether or not somebody's going to get the joke

[languid summit]

If you have a good sense of humor, you don't need more than text, you see

🤣

[acoustic rover]

Self own I guess 😂

[languid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[languid summit]

For the one wondering of the price of this

[acoustic rover]

"cereal leaker" 😂

[languid summit]

(it's not Powkiddy BTW but same "supposed" CPU)

[acoustic rover]

Yeah it looks close in specs

The screen resolution lower.

In a handheld like this a 720p screen is probably appropriate

[near field]

I would kill for this to have the 4" 960x720

[acoustic rover]

I don't know if the RGB50 is going to be a touch screen but I should probably ask

I think I was assuming it's going to be but I don't know that for sure

[languid summit]

Android without a touchscreen is...... boring

[little timber]

As long as it’s integer perfect for gba I’m cool

[languid summit]

but tbh, i got a feeling that this one should be my first Powkiddy ever

[little timber]

Seems like a great device to start with

[languid summit]

well i'm not gonna start (already got a RG556 since almost a year and JB PS Vita & 3DS) but for a small size format, it looks really promising

[languid summit]

Chat GPT comparison between Allwiner A527 and RockChip RK3566 FYI

[lone wedge]

Why is this an rgb30 succesor, isn't the rgb30 the 1:1 cubexx opponent?

[lone wedge]

Just check the chart

We even had chart guy in here a while ago

It was like seeing a celebrity

[near field]

the rgb line also includes the 4:3 rgb20, the 3:2 rgb10, the 16:9 rgb10max handhelds, etc

rgb basically refers to the design team as far as I can tell rather than screen aspect

[lone wedge]

Rgb20 is the brick screen

Right?

[near field]

that's the rgb20 pro

the og one was 3.5" 480p

[lone wedge]

But the fuckery department has spotty influence?

[near field]

most of the rgb line has always been good

[lone wedge]

I'll chalk it up to bad wifi

Gotta get it out eventually!

[cobalt rose]

i will make it run. i just opened my e6max

[acoustic rover]

The 3566 will play animal crossing and Pikmin.

[languid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/wn-gol-d-roger-gold-roger-roger-laugh-wnthefirst-gif-8729588042333237827

[vapid frigate]

The rk3566 will not play Animal Crossing for GC....it will play Animal Forest for N64 tho....

[little timber]

It can play animal crossing on the gba

[cobalt rose]

powkiddy has nothing to worry about. the e6max has all the marks of a made-by-one-guy handheld.

just make sure the rgb50 get's that screenmapping button, @acoustic rover

[acoustic rover]

I'm not going to argue about this. Pikmin and AC run. Not well. But they do. However yes- just run animal forest if you really need ac

This is what I found just looking for the title but I know I have some gameplay

It's immaterial though. Nobody is out there buying a 3566 to run ngc. Totally fair conclusion.

[vapid frigate]

Yea, it definitely runs. You are correct. So does MK Double Dash & Viewtiful Joe.

If you want games that Run well & are enjoyable, both Pokemon Collosium & Gale Of Darkness XD, Wario World, Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door, & Ikaruga.

I'm still trying to figure out how h700 devices get Simpsons Hit & Run to play, but the rk3566 cant

[acoustic rover]

I think it's running a port of the engine, or it's running a wrapper with the android package.

[vapid frigate]

Aaahhhhh is that how MuOS did it

Lucky ducks lol

[acoustic rover]

A lot of the modern ports of android packages owe sooooo much to flow and rin

Yeah that's the model they got to work on vita

[vapid frigate]

I wish MMJR made a Linux Port

[acoustic rover]

Some of them just run though. Stardew just boots the exe

I think, and please correct me if I'm wrong, a lot of mono games come with arm Linux builds

And now there's a Godot interpreter too

It's probably the most exciting time I've ever seen for ports and emulation

[vapid frigate]

No idea, I'm new to Linux stuff. The RGB30 is only my 2nd device....and my 1st was a MM+ w/ Onion OS

I think the Dolphin Devs are Incredible, and it really just goes to show how amazing that team really is

[acoustic rover]

Well now with Qualcomm just handing out CPUs I guess, the main build of dolphin gives great performance.

Mmjr offers some cool hacks but for anyone new, the recent generation (of CPUs)just works fine(with the official build)

I think mmjr2 has fast forward you can map to an onscreen button. I use it in one of my builds on the rp5. I have no idea which one.

Whichever is purple and black by default ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[mighty coral]

stardew took crapload of manhours to optimise for 1GB device though

[tough agate]

why would you even use t618 for ps2 😭

[vapid frigate]

Because 2 years ago:

1. It was all they had

2. They were "told" it could "handle it"

Some games do work on the t618, just not alot, it's kinda like 10-20% of the total library & a ton of tricks to make them work. All native with little to no up scaling at all

[tough agate]

yeah I know, but I wasn't really thinking if 2 years ago but present day

[vapid frigate]

People say that today about people using rk3566/h700 devices and GC games 😄

I still can't get over GameCube runs on those cheap budget devices lol

[haughty patrol]

Only like 2-3 games tho

[vapid frigate]

I have 5 working right now 😄

[haughty patrol]

Witchcraft

[vapid frigate]

And I mean fully Playable, not just staggering and running with a Ton of lag. Otherwise it would be almost 20

[haughty patrol]

Out of curiosity, which five?

[vapid frigate]

RGB30:

Ikaruga, pokemon Colosseum & Gale Of Darkness XD, Paper Mario TYD, Wario world

Ikaruga is a SHMUP, it's Gimmick is Light & Darkness bullets while you shield and dodge bullets from both. Was alot of fun tbh

[little timber]

I’m gonna need some proof on those Pokemon games

[acoustic rover]

Ikaruga, just run for Dreamcast.

[vapid frigate]

I did not know it was a DC game 😅

I'm game testing all of DC, and I'm only up to H

[acoustic rover]

It performs well.

[quasi vortex]

Yea ikaruga and crazy taxi are originally Dreamcast games

Ikaruga DC runs full speed on a133p/3566

With flycast-sa

[vapid frigate]

PAL roms, 25 Fps, and no Graphical Issues or Slowdowns

[vapid frigate]

Only have Retroarch Flycast for ArkOS

[tough agate]

gc on h700?

wtf?

[vapid frigate]

MuOS, and yes

they overclocked the chip and got some great performace out of it

[tough agate]

blackmagic

[little timber]

Oof that doesn’t sound very pleasant

[vapid frigate]

dolphin is also a super mature, well developed Emultar

[vapid frigate]

30 fps is Native

60 fps is only possible with a patch

have you ever played Gamecube through the dolphin emulator?

[little timber]

Yeah I play the Pokemon games almost exclusively

[echo venture]

Give Alien Hominid for the GameCube and Muramasa: The Demon Blade for the Wii a try. I'm fairly certain that they're the easiest to run games for their respective systems, and both quite good ^_^

[quasi vortex]

There's a compat sheet for it and it says "playable" yet it runs at like 8-15fps

For h700 gcn

Every speed hack applied, subnative (0.3-0.6x) resolution, emulated cpu underclocked to fuck

[vapid frigate]

wasnt Alien Hominid a GBA Game?

[quasi vortex]

GCN/PS2/Xbox

Before that it was a flash game

It did get a pretty good gba port of sorts

[echo venture]

It was originally an online flash game that was ported to the GameCube and... cobalt beat me to it lol

[vapid frigate]

yea, the gba game reminds me of the flash game i remeber

[quasi vortex]

The flash game was like level 1-1, released on Newgrounds in 2002

GCN/PS2/Xbox (PAL only) was the full game released in 2004

[vapid frigate]

i was never good enough back then to get past that part, things have at least changed since then. gba port im much farther lol

im pretty sure the Wii game aint running tho

[quasi vortex]

Muramasa apparently runs at like 25-30fps on h700, but performance crumbles with enemies on screen

But that's like I said with all the speed hacks in the book

[echo venture]

The GameCube version is basically the same as the GBA version but with better graphics and some really thrilling setpieces added. Especially the final boss fight.

[vapid frigate]

i dont have access to those speed hacks and i cant touch any of the dolpin settings in ark os

[quasi vortex]

GBA ver came out in 2006

In PAL only, just like the Xbox version

[vapid frigate]

i will give Alien Hominid a Shot, but i dont think i can get Muramasa running at all. i cant get Simpsons Hit & Run working either

[quasi vortex]

Muramasa will have a chance on the A527

It'll probably run at fullspeed but dip during combat

Except at 1x resolution rather than like .5x

Especially with the extra GPU grunt

[vapid frigate]

if the CFW/CSW give full Emulator Access, then its totally possible. if they dont.... lol

[swift belfry]

I’m actually pretty hype for this. I know Powkiddy has their rep, but recently they’ve been improving a bunch imo. My daily portable rn is the RGB10X and I love it. The dpad and buttons are larger, more in line with actual retro controllers than what most modern (ie small af) retro handhelds offer. It doesn’t rattle, has decent battery life and screen, and overall just feels substantial yet pocketable.

Scale that up to a 4.5” 3:2 and you essentially get my dream device

[little timber]

3:2 is one of the best catch all aspect ratios for retro games

This would actually be good for Tate DS too

[vapid frigate]

@quasi vortex just tried it out for GC, runs awesome!

[tough agate]

og psp size 16:9 and dsi xl sized 4:3

what's not to love here?

[vapid frigate]

potientally?

it might be not that Pocketable. it might be too big and it might be more of a "Portable" kind of device. like the RP4/5 or alot of the other 16:9 twin stick devices

[tough agate]

I was talking about the screen

[kindred terrace]

I have a 556 and since i only play arcade retrogames i looooove the sticks! They are great for shinobi and rolling thunder!

[vapid frigate]

the screen is going to be its single biggest selling point. 1080p up scaling of old pixel games is going to give some incrdible Interger scaling

@quasi vortex was Ikaruga only a Japanese release for DC?

[tough agate]

of course many things can go wrong with it, I'm not saying it's going to be good 100% I'm just being very optimistic

[quasi vortex]

Yea

People imported it a lot though

Was first released in the West for the GameCube in 2003

[vapid frigate]

that is why i dont have it in my massive Library lol. i only have USA/PAL roms lol

time to get an Eng Patch going lol. i love Ikaruga, but i wanna see the Speed Difference

[proud ore]

They just have limited range and kind of to small to my liking , if this had the sane sticks they used on the RG 406 lineup I wouldn't even bother looking for something else

Everything else is actually pretty good with the RG556 just wish it had better sticks

Hopefully the RG557 fixes that

[cobalt rose]

i play mostly vita and lower/mid switch games on my 556 these days.

[kindred terrace]

You can update the sticks with firmware i thought? But like i said, i use the left stick more or less likea d-pad

[cobalt rose]

Lost Ruin, Thronefall, Sword Art games, etc.

to correct the misconceptions on a527 power though, its more like a snapdragon 835 than a t610 or t618. 8xKryo280 is a lot like 8xA55 in overall power. Double-dash for gamecube stumbles in the same way on each. FF12 plays okay on each. Genshin plays fluidly on each. It's not great, but not horrible.

[visual vapor]

just checking

was i right?

[shut cape]

About??

[tough agate]

Will the rgb50 be more powerful than the switch?

[mighty coral]

At minimum the gpu will be still weaker, that maxwell gpu in tegra x was a beast, relatively

[little timber]

Probably more powerful than a PS5 pro I’d assume

[tough agate]

beast in 2015 😌

[mighty coral]

And yet its still way stronger than the g57 here

[cobalt rose]

NO

[haughty patrol]

given how t618 devices already kinda struggled with Gale of Darkness, I am not inclined to try on my rgb30

Pikmin should run tho

[cobalt rose]

lol. less powerful than the rgb10max3pro. in fact, if powkiddy scratches this, gives the 10max3pro 4gb of ram and a touch screen, they will have a 10x better device

[acoustic rover]

I think the max 3 pro was a misfire that I advised against when odroid made the same system

[haughty patrol]

the design was nice tho

no Wifi stupid

[cobalt rose]

after some testing. i don't think a527 is an SOC for anything beyond psp and dreamcast. Everything beyond that point(3ds or gc or ps2) sucks, even light stuff

[near field]

Yeah the max3pro was an improvement over the OGU, powkiddy’s changes were good. Everything wrong with it they inherited from the OGU and I was left wondering why they thought the OGU was something worth cloning.

But yeah now I want the max3pro shell but with improvements and better innards

[near field]

Sounds good to me

[shut cape]

Can't wait for retail videos

[torn dome]

This right here. The a527 is an overclocked rk3566 w/ extra lower clocked cores and a slightly better GPU. This is best suited for 16:9 devices for game streaming and lighter native android gaming. They should of went with the a733 or the Genio 500.

[near field]

Honestly makes me sad the rgb10max3 (not pro) got ergo grips and stacked shoulders instead of just re-using the max3pro shell

Would’ve been a great pocket portmaster handheld if it had stayed a flat candybar

[near field]

Every home console 5th gen and down is 4:3

[torn dome]

I'm lost. That seems like a general statement?

Are you suggesting they should of went with a 4:3 screen?

[cobalt rose]

3:2 is fine for this. Good for stretched 4:3 and 16x9 and will fit both lynx and gba perfectly

[torn dome]

Ya I've wanted a handheld using this exact screen for a while, to be a middleground between 4:3 and 16:9.

[near field]

I’m saying they shouldn’t have gone 16:9, I think 3:2 is a suitable compromise to get us 1080p especially if it’s a good chip for psp (this screen would be wasted on an h700 or 3226)

And with a bit of vertical overscan this is the best screen ever for integer scaling genesis

[cobalt rose]

If it has 4gb ram, portmaster will be good too. You'll get as much of the win7 era and below this thing can handle

[near field]

I’m worried it won’t support 32 bit portmaster stuff (same problem the a133 has)

[torn dome]

Oh no no I'm not saying this should be 16:9 at all. The screen is perfect. The SoC is dumb,.

[cobalt rose]

yeahh.... The sunxi linux community will have to help with that again

[wraith fulcrum]

So how's GoW?

Idk what's a benchmark game for DC, Sega Rally 2, probably?

[near field]

I don’t think there’s anything dumb about Linux handhelds finally getting something in between 3566 and sd865 for people who do care about n64, Dreamcast, psp but not ps2/gc

[cobalt rose]

ill post gow later. It hovers between 45 and 60 fps for me.

but also, e6max's os is super-jank. sinyorksu locked down everything in a dumb way. Waiting for gamma to get his unit and fix it

[wraith fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/cakeuis-dj-khaled-gif-24296363

[cobalt rose]

Like... He locked Google services so it can't update itself. It just breaks, so I removed it in adb

Laffo

[sweet juniper]

Hope reviewers can test the DC, PSP and n64 stuff that rk3566 cannot run full speed (at least largely locked) to see how they perform here.

Would be amusing if the t310 with the outdated powervr GPU actually perform better than the a527 for those DC/PSP/n64 titles

[torn dome]

All I'm sayin is people are gonna buy this for $80(educated guess) and become disappointed because it barely does anything over an RK3566. If I'm wrong and it's $60 then it might be interesting.

[wraith fulcrum]

I think it'll get cheaper eventually

[torn dome]

I'd totally bet money the t310 would fly past it for emulation, purely because it has that single cortex a75 at 2ghz. This is assuming the ram speed is the same on both, as that is a significant factor in the performance.

[tough agate]

wait, so that means

my switch was able to do perfect psp this whole time??

[sweet juniper]

It should be able to get cheaper I got a a523 tablet from teclast, for a family member more than a year ago for just 54 USD.

[torn dome]

Do you have a hacked switch?

[tough agate]

yep

[wraith fulcrum]

Wasn't the GPU on T310 an even bigger potato though? I suppose that would matter for N64/DC/PSP

[tough agate]

it's kinda weird how the switch can run psp upscaled no problem but it struggles to run gba with 2 frames runahead

[near field]

it has a good gpu and a trash cpu

[torn dome]

PSP is affected more by the GPU than the others. The N64/Dreamcast are a bit more biased tward single core cpu performance. Like Flycast for example is multi threaded but extra threads don't help it that much. You need a fast single core.

However, if the drivers are trash for the GPU that is also a factor.

[sweet juniper]

The cpu is kind of weak, it's a large core but older architecture plus locked at 1ghz (unless u oc it), so not much better than those higher clocked a55 cores

[near field]

NSO+ psp release wen

[torn dome]

The Nintendo Switch SoC is pretty amazing though. It proves what you could do with an Android phone if it wasn't eating up all the ram and background resources.

[near field]

basically yeah - this is what you could do with 5w on linux arm if chip manufacturers gave a shit about drivers

[wraith fulcrum]

Or if you could code your app/game just for one device and not a billion different phones

[shut cape]

💵

[cobalt rose]

Welp, the helegaly pi got batocera first

That was pretty fast, ngl

[proud ore]

Wait you can play Genshin on GameMT E6 ?
I have a young cousin that’s into the game but no device of their own to use so this a decent option?
Does it have controller mapping because I’ve heard it does not on Android

( Genshin does not have controller support that is )

[cobalt rose]

It comes with panda gamepad pro built in, but wait for gamma's os fork first

I tried hacking it apart from the inside out, but there's some cursed levels restrictions going on

[proud ore]

Got it and thanks for the info , besides that Im guessing all low gets you at least 30 FPS or close

[lone wedge]

The switch GPU is shockingly good

I wasn't expecting those benchmarks at all

[earnest skiff]

If it had a better cpu, we'd probably get better Gamecube and PS2 on the switch

[kindred terrace]

That is currently what the spreadsheet says

N64

[lone wedge]

which column is n64

make a suggestion

on the sheets'

hell respond

[kindred terrace]

That is the RGB50/45 alwinner A527

Only 4:3 playing perfect

[cobalt rose]

That shit -sinks- at GameCube and sort of flutters at ps2 because there are 8 cores capable of making games like shinobi decent

[kindred terrace]

No widescreen like some DC, PS2, GC etc

Someone tried to fake it today!

[lone wedge]

Which one is more intensive?

[vapid frigate]

Ps2 because it's Dead emu lol

Pcsx2 is for Windows Only. Aether sx2 is fully dead, Nether sx2 is a Patch for Android only

[lone wedge]

Wonder why dolphin out of all emulators ended up as the gold standard

[vapid frigate]

Because:

1. It's so optimized even can run Some games on an rk3566, and that chip can't even run the full DC/N64/psp Libraries

2. The UI in the emualtor itself is super User Friendly

3. Still receives Minor but consistent Monthly updates regardless of how small or large said updates are

4. Everyone loves GameCube & Wii emu

[lone wedge]

What about the gamecube made it so popular

[vapid frigate]

The games

[lone wedge]

No those are the reasons why it's the gold standard

But why did people make it into the gold standard

It wasn't even popular in it's time

[vapid frigate]

Because like Dreamcast, it was more Popular AFTER it went away

The Games were Smaller by Size (Literally), so they were more Optomized

Less Graphically Demanding

Fantastic Library

Still had dual Analog Support (Triggers & Sticks)

Best Controller for FPS/Fighting Games

Fantastic Library, with Great 3rd Party support

Simpsons Hit & Run, NFS Most Wanted/Underground 2, Smash Bros, Pokemon Games, Mario Sunshine, Mario Sports (That didn't suck), Party Games, Pikmin 1/2, Metroid Prime 1/2 (Most Beloved on the Franchise), etc

And then the Wii came along, and it was just a GameCube with x1.5 the Power & Motion Controls. It ran off the same system

[cobalt rose]

Haven't had enough time to test games. Spent all my time yesterday fighting bad distro issues

like when I get home tonight, the first thing I'm doing is installing lemuroid so I can test dreamcast. Maybe give Legend of Legacy and DOA Dimensions a test in CitraMMJ

[earnest skiff]

The PS2 was just so oppressive for the time, that everything else seem worthless or not worth the time. It's only after we kinda started to leave it behind that people realized how great the Dreamcast, Gamecube, OG Xbox was with solid libraries and options since they got cheaper (until they didn't)

Gamecube especially benefitted from this since a lot of people picked it up when the 7th gen was coming around and bundles for them were cheap

• the Wii was just a suped up gamecube with backward compatibility, which made people go back to that catalog with time

[shy prawn]

The PS2 was the weakest of the three systems, too, but also making it an affordable dvd player was like a cheat-code.

[earnest skiff]

Plus it basically got ALL the games

Which was also kinda it's greatest strength and weakness

[swift belfry]

PS2 was so dominant that it overshadowed DC/GC/XBox. And it’s really a shame because (and this is heresy on my part, but idgaf) I personally enjoyed all those systems way more than PS2.

DC just had some wild, cutting edge shit, and GC/XBox typically had superior versions of multiplats, better controllers (Xbox S), and their own unique shit.

PS2 didn’t have a Halo, a Wind Waker, Doom 3, etc. All its first party games were basically animal platformers.

[swift belfry]

I still remember how godawful a lot of ports and multiplats were on PS2. There are DC games that look better than RE4, for instance.

[near field]

I'd love a few recommends to check out on dreamcast if you have them handy

[atomic drift]

Oh what the fuck they set them back?

Interesting

Oh no they didn't they updated them again

those are different to the original scores

so they've been updated twice in like a day

so we've had three different scores now

[pale nest]

so I manage the spreadsheet, I'll try to explain the updates. The original performance grades were copied from those that I had written for the Unisoc T618 since someone said the Allwinner A527 is roughly equivalent to the T618. Then I received some comments on the sheet to tweak it a little to make it be slightly less than what the T618 can do.

As always, I'm open to suggestions on how to change performance grades to get it closer to the actual reality

[atomic drift]

Ahhhh gotcha that makes sense then 👍

[tough agate]

why only b tier for psp?

[atomic drift]

It's a new chip for these devices hard to gauge performance when it's not in a lot of peoples hands yet

[atomic drift]

cause it's not T618 level

[tough agate]

isn't it only like 15% less powerful?

[pale nest]

well the comment I received said to put either A- or B+ for PSP, and since I always try to lean more on the conservative side of estimates, I put B+.
lots of people have complained the sheet is too optimistic so I always lean conservative

[tough agate]

what is yours ranking method? most games 1x= B and like most games 3x=A tier?

[atomic drift]

Most games 1x would be A I would think

[upbeat quartz]

Ohh man this on RG407 hopefully

[pale nest]

right, if just about every game can run fullspeed at native resolution, I'd call that an A.
All these letter grades aren't really my opinion though, they are based on what I see people on discord saying and what youtubers are saying in their reviews, and by what comments I get on the sheet telling me to increase or decrease a grade

[peak dawn]

Is there any specific requirements/criteria for each grade?

[peak dawn]

Mmm

[atomic drift]

if you hover over the letters it tells you

for example

[pale nest]

not really, its all super general/vague estimates. but I kinda had a system laid down a while back:
A: Almost all games playable at full speed without frameskip
B: Most games playable at full speed, a few games have lower frame rates but still mostly playable with frameskip
C: Most games playable but mostly with frameskip, struggles with harder to emulate games
D: Only the easiest to emulate games are barely playable
F: Either cannot run any games at all or games are unplayably slow

honestly the performance grade section of the sheet didn't emerge until I had been working on the sheet for a while so it was never really meant to be the main focus of the sheet, but I definitely see why its important (and I do want to make it as accurate as possible, so I'm always open to suggestions to change scores)

[peak dawn]

Some kind of a systematic benchmark grading would be nice. But would require much effort considering the no of handhelds, that is nearly impossible

[pale nest]

some of the other handheld comparison sites attempt to rate performance grades in a more systematic way, but seems like most of them are using my sheet as the data source so the foundation is kinda built on sand lol. but I'll link a few of them for you to check out:
https://retrocatalog.com/
https://retroranker.site/
https://handheldsarena.com/
https://www.retrodock.com/finder/
http://retrodb.info
https://retroabxy.com/
https://handhelds.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Handheld
https://zhangjiquan.com/handhelds

[tough agate]

now that I think of it, I've tested out 3:2 widescreen hacks in duckstation on my phone and the viewable area did not really increase that much. Just proves how good 3:2 is in general for retro stuff.

[swift belfry]

The three treasure games for sure, literally any fighting or arcade port. I generally prefer the DC versions of the Sonic adventure and crazy taxi games. Anything that was on DC and PlayStation is generally better on the former.

Actually, there were a ton of multiplats between DC/PSX/N64 where Sega had the definitive version in my mind.

Of course there’s the zany stuff like Seaman. Sega Bass Pro Fishing is more fun than it has any right to be as well.

[tough agate]

Honestly this device will be so perfect mainly cause Ibalready own a ps vita. So my setup will be psp and ps vita on my vita and everything else on this handheld

[silent geode]

I don't want to destroy your dreams but it won't be even close to rg407 😄 1) it's screen is 4.5 inch not 4 ;D and 2) This thing won't be able to play PS2 or GCN, maybe just some very easy to run games, when it comes to emulation it is much closer to RK3566 than T618 because of quite low single core performance. You guys are really setting yourself up for disappointment. It has a great potential to be an amazing device for up to DC/PSP and especially good for GBA 🙂 But it won't be a powerhouse

[upbeat quartz]

Ohh meant by screen, this needs to be choosen by Anbernic

[vapid frigate]

I think GameCube is Farther Along than everyone realizes lol

Ps2 is definitely not happening

[cobalt rose]

as the only person brute-testing games on an a527 at the moment, it's funny reading messages like this.

currently the upper limit for ps2 is set at dotHack. dreamcast and psp are in the "autoframeskip and everything runs" category

[silent geode]

Could be, last time I checked my RP3+ was barely running it fine 😄

[cobalt rose]

upper limits for gc and 3ds aren't set yet, because not enough games have been tested to know anything

[silent geode]

Did you check PSP God of War games? 😛

[vapid frigate]

Ps2 emu is hopefully going to be coming up soon enough, Ethereal is coming by the end of this year

Nether Dev making a whole New Emulator

[cobalt rose]

yes. they play the same as outrun 2006, jak and daxter, and tekken 6. fps bounces between 30 and 60

its the gpu tying down those titles

[silent geode]

I checked you other message and not sure abou e6plus but other rk3566 devices run Tekken 6 quite well with frameskip set to 1 pretty much locked 30 fps

[atomic drift]

whoa really??

[silent geode]

great news!

[vapid frigate]

Dolphin is now able to run on Rk3566 device, like at all lol. My kids RP2S can Run Mario Party 4-7 flawlessly. The dolphin dev team have done awesome work over the last year optimizing their engine

You should try out Dolphin on your T618 again 😉

[silent geode]

Wasn't aware about the recent optimizations, they are doing such a good job!

[vapid frigate]

You might get f zero running lol

[cobalt rose]

let's not say crazy things lol

[vapid frigate]

But I'm crazy 🤪

But also, mmjr has gotten updates as well

[cobalt rose]

mmjr2 -sucks- on the a527. you need to optimized version of mmj with the fixed vulkan implementation

[vapid frigate]

Aw, booo. That blows

[silent geode]

good news, so we can lock GoW to 30fps with cheat code probably 😄 did you have a chance to check PS2 GoW games? 😄

[cobalt rose]

no. never gonna try those.

[vapid frigate]

Ps2 GoW was Demanding AF. Maybe temper Some expectations lol

Especially from Dead emulators without updates

Flycast & Dolphin put in serious work to optimize things. Aether just lied their

[silent geode]

they are actually not so bad, they are playable even on hacked switch with some tweaks (a cheat code for GoW2 especially ) 😄 there are much harder ps2 games to run

[vapid frigate]

A hacked Switch has Optomizations & Overlockings. I don't know about this chip tho

[cobalt rose]

I can tell you what ps2 titles -won't- run on this:
-NFS games
-Shadow of Collossus
-PES Soccer games
-King of Fighters: Maximum Impact 1&2
-Call of Duty Games.

[silent geode]

that's for sure:P

[cobalt rose]

by default, Soul Caliber 3 is on this list simply because it takes rocket science to make it play fluidly on the t820

[silent geode]

PS2 GoW was a stretch, I got excited too much ;D but I hope at least DQ5 remake will run well, its quite easy to run

[cobalt rose]

tactics games like Stella Deus and Eternal Poison are fine

[silent geode]

Overall how would you rate the emulation capabilities? is it a huge upgrade over a133p and rk3566?

[cobalt rose]

It's about as strong as the a311d in the rgb10max3pro. They both struggle in the same way on the same games.

[vapid frigate]

So Twilight Princess & Wind Waker on GC will run?

[cobalt rose]

the upgrade is more linear. from the a133p to the rk3566 to the a527, taking Liberty City Stories for psp as an example, you go from choking the device, to struggling to reach 30, to wavering between 40 and 60 fps.

[vapid frigate]

Oh hell yea! Can we get a Device to Gamma Already so he can Cook!

[silent geode]

thx Mate, actually sounds better than I expected, should be pretty good for most of PSP

[last ice]

Damn. I was hoping this would solve DC at least. Sorry if I missed it, but have you messed with Mupen64?

[cobalt rose]

not yet. the hardest i've don on DC has been crazy taxi 2 and sonic adventure 2. those hover between 50-60fps.

[last ice]

Oh? Good enough to drop MMJR2?

Arghhhhh. So close. So close.

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-happy-racoon-clap-slowly-barely-clap-gif-14134474

[cobalt rose]

i'm more interested in testing Quake 3 Arena for dreamcast. that slogs away at like 12-15fps on rk3566.

[craggy trail]

Try NBA 2k2 and Nfl 2k that's final boss

Headhunter and Shenmue

[last ice]

Unreal Tournament dragged too.

[vapid frigate]

That is what I'm gonna switch him to. Currently he uses Base Dolphin and it's pretty good lol

[noble cloak]

NBA 2K2 is the toughest DC game to emulate I've come across ... Also one of my favourites.

Need something a bit stronger to run that full speed, eg OGU. It also needs analogue triggers for free throws unfortunately.

Really great to play on my Gameforce ACE.

[cobalt rose]

unreal tournament is fairly low-requirements for what it is.

[mighty coral]

Yeah, It is sort of playable on 3566 already

[cobalt rose]

i wouldn't mind doing one of the heavier arena games. UT, Quake3, Spawn, Star Wars Battlefront 2, and whatnot.

[last ice]

Is it? Might have configured something wrong then.

[silent geode]

lol, just checked and DQ5 PS2 version is actually playable on RK3566, it shouldnt be a problem at all on A527 😄

First time running NetherSx2 on RK3566 out of curiosity lol

[swift belfry]

Shit, this thing has already reached my “yeah, that’s all I need” threshold lol

[compact escarp]

Heard they're FINALLY gonna add it in a future update, but not sure when

[compact escarp]

If I recall, a lot of Sonic stuff that gen ran the best on GC, while Turok: Evolution's bad rep was partially because the most technically inferior version, the PS2 one, was also the most played

Oh yeah, speaking of PSP performance test suggestions, I want to say Test Drive Unlimited. As an open-world racer, I feel like that one's probably gonna be resource intensive

[vapid frigate]

Oh, are we looking for the Heaviest PsP titles?

FF Type-0, motor Storm Arctic Edge, Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy

[cobalt rose]

Those three should be fine. Played motorstorm this morning at 2x opengl. It has the same t618 slowdown pattern

my concern are things like DIRT 2 and metal gear acid.

[near field]

Metal gear ac!d 1 will even run on 3566 pretty well, ac!d 2 is a nightmare lol

[cobalt rose]

I recall that one Silent Hill game having issues too

where this device is though, the most you have to worry about with psp is GPU-bottlenecking

[mossy aspen]

anyone played KOF XI of PS2 on RK3566?

[swift belfry]

Shattered Memories? That game was atrocious on anything except Wii. The PS2 version (which I have) runs at like 15fps during chases and doesn’t even have transparency effects

[wicked gulch]

And death jr.

[vapid frigate]

I didn't know that was a heavy hitting title lol. It was such a cute game 😅

[wicked gulch]

Lmao well every retro console that claimed to run some psp can't run death jr

All the way up to 3566

But yeah its one of my childhood games it was so cool

I liked their one classmate who was a guy in a jar

Lol

Behold him in all his jar based glory

[acoustic rover]

Dude your switch does insanely good PSP natively under horizon with Homebrew! No need for Android or anything. There's an hos build for ppsspp and it works great most of the time.

[silent geode]

Pretty nice improvement over rk3566 but still way weaker than T618

[cobalt rose]

the numerical results don't really tell much. In some cases like Quake 3 for Dreamcast, the leap is huge. like 15fps on rk3566 to 60fps on a527

[wicked gulch]

Can you compare it to the mt8365?( What the original abxylute had)

[torn dome]

@cobalt rose I'd have to wonder if faster ram is involved in this case too. What RK3566 device are you referencing?

[wicked gulch]

Who me?

[torn dome]

Fixed. 🙂

[cobalt rose]

x55 and its hardware clone the e6plus

i need to test redream on the latter though to see if things improve. it was flycast that was running slowly

[silent geode]

just tried it out of curiosity on RG353V (only RK3566 I have at the moment) and on REDREAM the framerate is also 60 fps 😛

Not sure if GammaOS Core makes a difference, but probably yes

[cobalt rose]

yeah, redream has some sort of crack under the hood

[silent geode]

True, I loved Redream on Raspberry Pi 4

works like a charm there

[cobalt rose]

i always kind of avoided it because it lacked widescreen-hacking, but accurate, fast emulation is probably better

when is Helegaly releasing an image of their batocera fork?

[small mulch]

if this is an android device will it have gyroscope?

i have an anbernic rg505 and when it was sold for 130 USD it had gyro on it.

[tough agate]

why would you need gyro in a retrohandheld?

tilting console like a phone on android racing games?

sounds kinda pointless

[scarlet orbit]

warioware ofc

[lone wedge]

3ds gyro

[tough agate]

bold of you to asume the rgb50 runs 3ds

[tough agate]

the gba/ds had gyro?

[scarlet orbit]

warioware on the gba had sensor on the cartridge

[river ether]

Nil used two different screens. So which one?

[silent geode]

works awesome on QuadTouch, Delta Touch and ZetaTouch. Old PC FP shooters are also retro 😉

[lone wedge]

Did you see the magicX channel

Unless this is Linux only

[silent geode]

p65 is stronger than a527

[lone wedge]

Surely the difference isn't that big

[silent geode]

I'm hyped for both RGB50 and MagicX ONE35 xD but if performance is close than probably RGB50 will be a much better option 😛 (unless PK will mess something again ... )

[tender blaze]

this vs helegaly pi is very interesting.

For the screen, high enough pixel density for integer scaling to not matter. Otoh pi has the golden screen resolution (960x720). both have dpad top. both seem to be linux (both batocera?). Seemingly the same processor.

[tough agate]

yeah but that is a super niche case

the Touch One 35 probably only runs about 10% of the library

[lone wedge]

we'll see

[tough agate]

even then there way some audio lag in the mk7 gameplay

[lone wedge]

ive asked sean to test xenoblade

[lone wedge]

where

[tough agate]

*audio glitching

watch the video again

[lone wedge]

oh ya at the end the star glitching

[cobalt rose]

so i assume this will have touchscreen at least for android, right?

it also -should- have a system-wide heatspreader or an ogu/10max3pro-style heatsink vent, because the 22nm a527 gets pretty warm

[tough agate]

wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me if it wasn't touchscreen but maan it would make navigating a pain

would honestly try to stick to linux in that case

[small mulch]

I use quadtouch delta touch and zeta touch. They run doom series, quake series and redneck etc they need to have gyro for precision aim especially if you wanna play doom mods.

[silent geode]

lol Azahar - the new 3DS emulator is crazy, they have to use some kind of dark magic, RK3566:

frequently drops below 60 but still its mind bending that it even works

Should be much better on a527 😄

[lone wedge]

Exactly what I said two days ago about the p65

[tough agate]

guys don't give me hope

it's probably only gonna run 10% of the library

oh my, it even has perfect integer scaling

[high sorrel]

zeta touch?

let me guess, source port for build engine games for android

[small mulch]

Zeta touch can run redneck rampage, duke nukem 3d and others

[small mulch]

Bingo

[cobalt rose]

doesn't work miracles, but a you get a bulk of the rpgs, racing games, 2d stuff, and library up to Smash Bros.

Smash is just too much for the gpu, but its entirely stage-dependent

[swift belfry]

Fixed

[near field]

gyro aiming > joystick aiming in fps

mouse aim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either though

[cursive sentinel]

Interested to see how this works out. Its like a better KTR1

[near field]

linux ktr1 is the dream

[sweet juniper]

Performance don't come anywhere close to ktr1 though

[cursive sentinel]

I think if performance is the concern, one would be better with a 16:9 handheld anyway

[near field]

neither the a527 nor the g99 are a chip I'd buy for ps2/gc

and both should be fine for dc/psp

so other than some android native games I doubt it'll matter in practice for emulation

[sweet juniper]

From the tests done, I still think t610/t618 are the minimum for great DC/psp

And even the t618 might not do well for such a high resolution screen.

[near field]

the high res screen doesn't make anything harder to run inherently

[sweet juniper]

Oh, and the a311d in the rgb10max3pro, forgot about that

[cobalt rose]

yeah, nothing is going to keep my 405v from playing decent vita, 3ds, psp, and dc tbh

but it's such a sleeper handheld. basically lives in my work bag as an r36s replacer. outside initial battery issues that everyone deals with, its worth the 4-5 star reviews

[haughty patrol]

I'm not too excited about the SoC, given how I have my doubts about how well it will run N64 and above, but the screen... the alluring sound of a great 3:2 display is calling me kids