ASUS ROG Xbox Ally

[warm belfry]

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/xbox-hardware-report-project-keenan-next-gen-xbox-2027

https://www.polygon.com/xbox/537029/xbox-handheld-report-2025

A lot of news outlets reporting this today. “Partner device”

My guess is using current windows handhelds with either xbox os or xbox style launcher

[deft sierra]

Would sound right. If true, this admittedly has some interesting implications for what the next gen of Xbox could be...

[stray socket]

Current as is, current today, or current as in, current at the time of the release. Meaning future current.

Current doesn't look like a word anymore, and I want curry now.

Because I can't imagine they'll just grab, say, the ROG Ally X and slap an Xbox OS on it and call it good.

[charred kite]

My guess is that this is the reason why we haven’t heard anything about an ROG Ally 2 so far this year

[gritty cargo]

Oh wut

[warm belfry]

Well it sounds like next gen xbox is essentially a pc. So maybe they are moving away from “console” to a more pc like strategy

[gritty cargo]

@warm belfry making me add possible last minute podcast topics

[warm belfry]

Sorry 😅

[gritty cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-blessing-your-sins-are-forgiven-dipped-in-water-gif-16861027

[stray socket]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-oh-damn-oh-daymn-daym-damn-gif-10129893223082536574

[gritty cargo]

This is also exciting if true

[warm belfry]

@gritty cargo make sure to clarify this is a “partner device”. Xbox own handheld/next console still planned for 2027

Best guess is asus making it. As people have mentioned. As no word on Ally 2

[stray socket]

Microsoft: "Fine, if we can't beat Sony at the home console market, we'll compete with Nintendo in the handheld market!"
Microsoft two days later:

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-car-crash-gif-9388562661726532947

[spark lotus]

X-Deck?

[gusty saddle]

Ally X-Box

[soft island]

Not really a box

X-Slab

[gusty saddle]

Ally X Treme!!!

[soft island]

https://tenor.com/view/extreme-gif-8818707

[mystic knoll]

Ally X-X

[pearl oracle]

It truly was in the name all along.

[light phoenix]

this will be xbox in 2012

[silent nimbus]

Isn't there the Xbox branded windows handheld then a supposed "Xbox handheld" releasing with the next gen systems in 2027?

[turbid trench]

This type of news has been a thing literally years for years at this point. An Xbox handheld is mythical at this point

[warm belfry]

Yes 2025 is “Partner Device” so could be asus, lenovo, msi etc making it with microsoft doing software. Then microsoft handheld + console in 2027

[silent nimbus]

I'll be keeping an eye out for the partner handheld

They really need to flesh out their PC library tho

[warm belfry]

From what i have read. The next xbox console is essentially a small form factor pc. So i wonder if the rumor of them opening xbox consoles up to epic store and steam etc has some validity. Imagine they would want some sort of cut though if they did that. Guessing this “Partner Device” is them testing if that will work

[silent nimbus]

It's entirely possible. If they went that route with the official handheld then I'd be happy with that

That would also mean PlayStation PC games on Xbox

Actually a pretty clever idea I'd say

[steady bramble]

So I’m just curious if anyone read anything remotely solid. I’ve read the stuff about the Xbox/Handheld versions in 2027 but I’m curious about the branded Xbox handheld this year.

Is this supposed to be another windows handheld or is it supposed to be something like a Xbox series s in handheld?

[silent nimbus]

The handheld rumored to be coming the end of this year is gonna more like an Xbox branded Ally or Legion Go, while the one rumored for 2027 alongside the next Xbox consoles its supposed to be actual Xbox in handheld factor

Take it all with a large grain of salt tho cuz nothing is confirmed and is all speculation and rumors

[steady bramble]

Yeah I am. I’d considered a series s for at home emulation and gamepass. If they make a handheld that can be an Xbox and emulate I’d be all over it but I’m not holding my breath.

[silent nimbus]

I have a series S that I got back when verizon was doing a member deal selling them for $150. gotta say I'm quite happy with ut

[turbid trench]

Honestly, an Xbox g cloud style device makes the most sense lol

[final horizon]

Give me this.

Series S was so fun for the price. I bet they could make a handheld Series S.

[warm belfry]

https://archive.ph/2025.03.12-170151/https://www.theverge.com/notepad-microsoft-newsletter/628073/microsoft-xbox-handheld-project-kennan-notepad

Verge article with ads removed

Sounding like ASUS is the partner

“The device itself will be powered by Windows underneath but with an interface that more closely resembles what you’d find on an Xbox.”

So to me. Sounds like the are going after the steam deck rather than switch. Having desktop os with a big picture type mode

[silent nimbus]

I hope it’s a feature integrated into windows as a whole

Not just that device exclusive

[warm belfry]

Well if rumour’s are true. Next xbox is a mini pc. Which would also align with them turning all devices into an xbox. Either buy a premade xbox or build your own.

[silent nimbus]

They retroactively do that to the one and series consoles too

Which I really hope they do

[blissful temple]

Yh but xbox will do their own handheld for 2027/28

Final gen for xbox

[blissful temple]

Last dance

[charred kite]

#1348770660192751739 message

we knew it before The Verge did

[warm belfry]

Lenovo partner with steam and asus partner with microsoft. Poor msi

[charred kite]

MSI can’t even figure out how to operate a supply chain.

Them running a partnered device launch would be a train wreck

[warm belfry]

Asus and Lenovo have really pulled ahead in the handheld market. Still shocked we haven’t seen HP Omen or Alienware yet

[charred kite]

I still have big issues with Lenovo, but I agree ASUS is certainly leading the pack.

I don’t think we will see an Alienware sadly, the market just doesn’t seem big enough to bother

The Go S does have some of my favorite controls on a handheld though, just stellar.

The pitchy fan and not so great speakers bring it down though

[blissful temple]

Lenovo problem is software and optimization

[kindred spindle]

Damn, handheld series s is literally all I want from them

But that Verge article makes it seem like they’re going in an entirely different direction

Like, if their end goal is to build an ecosystem that makes it easier to cross-publish apps on Xbox and PC, an Xbox-branded handheld PC seems more likely than an actual handheld Xbox

[silent nimbus]

And speakers

[blissful temple]

Especially the speakers idk why

[blissful temple]

But the problem is xbox need to have every game on xbox play anywhere

[silent nimbus]

I have like two games that support play anywhere

It’s not a lot but like

It’s really damn cool

[blissful temple]

Then also what about og xbox games and xbox 360 games

[silent nimbus]

Closed source emulator that they use on current consoles maybe

Xbox is in an amazing position to make their Xbox shit just work on PC

[blissful temple]

If they can do that then it deffo already w in my eyes

[silent nimbus]

For sure

Since Xbox “lost the console war” they really have nothing to lose from essentially merging PC and Xbox

Xboxes are already just locked down PCs

[charred kite]

A lot of games support Play Anywhere especially first party Xbox ones devs

[silent nimbus]

It’s the 3rd party games that need it too tbh

[charred kite]

I think that’s on them more than anything

[blissful temple]

Yep

[charred kite]

Too many launchers now out there hoarding data

[blissful temple]

Bro it's annoying it's took them so long to do this

[deft sierra]

Alienware has a concept in the UFO, but they didn't put it in production

I also swore there were rumors saying that the next-gen Xbox will be a 3DO-like platform licensed out to other hardware manus, with MS's version serving as a reference design. Seems like a Xbox-branded PC handheld is a logical first step towards that future

(And remember that the current "This is an Xbox" marketing campaign seems like them signaling that they may give up on keeping Xbox as a hardware platform...)

(I also heard rumors of an Xbox-branded Quest VR headset too, but those haven't gone far)

[silent nimbus]

xboxes as we know them now are probably dead

the next generation is most likely gonna just be licensed PCs yeah

[radiant ginkgo]

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/xbox-project-kennan-gaming-handheld-everything-we-know-so-far

[upbeat delta]

Beat me by 3 seconds lol

[silent nimbus]

Glad to see they’re pushing play anywhere more

[charred kite]

So now we wait

[charred kite]

They have over 1k in the program. They’ve been pushing it for a long time now

[silent nimbus]

Well then I’m glad they’re still pushing it

[warm belfry]

https://www.theverge.com/news/633478/microsoft-xbox-steam-games-support-ui

[silent nimbus]

It’s joever

Xbox won the console war

[blissful temple]

Oh

[silent nimbus]

Sony will never financially recover from this

I’ll be able to play Sony exclusives on my Xbox now

[blissful temple]

If Microsoft can pull it off they won in long term

[silent nimbus]

Definitely

If they push it retroactively to the one and series line?

Hooo boy

[blissful temple]

But is it possible if they can work on xbox 360 and og xbox games on pc 👀

[silent nimbus]

God I hope so

I mean there’s really not a lot they have to do to put them on PC

[blissful temple]

That's true

[silent nimbus]

The only hurdle is keeping people from prying into the first party emulator

[blissful temple]

Unfortunately most of them on pc

But first if they can improve play anywhere titles they can make it work

And Xbox UI as well

[silent nimbus]

Honestly play anywhere is gonna be kinda obsolete if you can play steam games directly on the Xbox

I can see them merging the Xbox PC and console libraries maybe

[warm belfry]

It would be cool to start working through my 600+ games backlog on steam by playing it on my xbox series x 😅

[kindred spindle]

Fuuuuuuck that's awesome

I mean, Xbox is my backlog machine anyways, this will make it a lot better

[blissful temple]

I can't lie tho

My xbox series s is going to be valuable indeed

[blissful temple]

600+ jesus

[silent nimbus]

My $150 series is for sure coming out of storage

[blissful temple]

https://tenor.com/view/blow-dust-joel-dawson-dylan-obrien-love-and-monsters-dusty-gif-18651670

If they can do it tho xbox series s and x price is going to be high high

Even higher than ps5

[silent nimbus]

Should I go grab a digital series X lol

[blissful temple]

You might have to do that

But we don't know if they are going to update that on current consoles or next gen

Because it's could be xbox app on pc

First then maybe later on

[silent nimbus]

True

The oopsie photo did have the series consoles on it

[blissful temple]

True but xbox can put there as a xbox play anywhere advertisement

[silent nimbus]

We’ll have to wait and see

[charred kite]

I guarantee it was

It’s just showing the family with a shared UI. The pc variant likely has integration for any game stores like Playnite does

[blissful temple]

Yh

[warm belfry]

Yep

😅

[deft sierra]

Funny, me and a co-worker were talking about how the lines between consoles and computers are getting more and more blurred these day, and now this

(Also, I wonder if MS will open the doors for Minecraft Java Edition to run on Xboxes, heh. Doubt it, but would be silly)

[silent nimbus]

Java on handhelds is definitely a dream come true

[warm belfry]

https://x.com/videocardz/status/1906781660621713426?s=46&t=W6WfgknjfK4-AMAr6C71lA

VideoCardz.com (@VideoCardz) on X

ASUS and XBOX tease ROG Ally update
https://t.co/0SCHqugydD

X · Mar 31, 2025, 6:52 PM

https://x.com/asus_rog/status/1906768458504687656?s=46&t=W6WfgknjfK4-AMAr6C71lA

ROG Global (@ASUS_ROG) on X

Our little robot friend is cooking something up...
#ROG #ROGALLY #PlayALLYourGames #NextLevelGaming

X · Mar 31, 2025, 6:00 PM

Another April 1st reveal?

[silent nimbus]

Wouldn’t surprise me

[warm belfry]

Xbox replied to tweet. So guessing this is it

[silent nimbus]

[charred kite]

I don’t see 8” display on there

[warm belfry]

I get the feeling this will be Ally X, 32GB Ram, Z2E and xbox colour way.

[charred kite]

Nah it’ll almost certainly be the Ally 2

[silent nimbus]

It won't

[charred kite]

If I were guessing it’ll be 8”/Z2/16GB/512/65wh and then a Z2E model coming later in the year

[silent nimbus]

Asus has said the Ally X won't be replaces soon

[charred kite]

That was last year they said that lol

And it’s been 2 years since the hardware was released

[silent nimbus]

ally x hasn't even been out for a year

[charred kite]

They aren’t Valve, they make nada post-sale. They need to continue to release hardware to make money

[blissful temple]

That's last year

[charred kite]

Ally X launched in July, I’d wager the Ally 2 will launch around May/June

[blissful temple]

Plus Two years is enough for them to move on

This is it Xbox os vs steam os

[charred kite]

I wonder if we will see two models again though. A Z2 and Z2E or just a Z2E model

[blissful temple]

God bless Valve 🙌

Ohhhh I forgot they got normal z2

[sharp ingot]

It'd be doa, there's so many battery upgrade mods for the z1e ally and they can be found for cheap

[blissful temple]

Actually it's not bad idea

[sharp ingot]

Depends on the price imo

[blissful temple]

But it depends how powerful is z2 and z1e

[sharp ingot]

I'm guessing they meant the z2 go

Anything over 500 and I don't think it would sell very well

[blissful temple]

They got z2

[charred kite]

No, the Z2

It’s just a Z1E in new clothes lol

[blissful temple]

Everyone can see it right

[charred kite]

Z2G is Lenovo exclusive apparently.

[sharp ingot]

Are there three variants of the z2?

[charred kite]

Only ones dumb enough to buy it

[blissful temple]

This

[charred kite]

Yeah 2 Z2 variants

[blissful temple]

I just realized

[charred kite]

Z2E is new
Z2 is Z1E
Z2Go is trash

[blissful temple]

Z2 go was designed for steam os

But lenovo fucked that up

[charred kite]

Nah; it’s just a bad chip

Even running SteamOS/Bazzite it’s bad

[blissful temple]

Not that bad it's better because it's supposed to be steam deck pro for steam os only thing they fucked up was the price

Battery life is way better for z2 go as well

[charred kite]

Regardless of price it’s a bad chip

Battery life isn’t better then anything, other than a full sized desktop chip lol

Comparing the Go and Go S in Bazzite just streaming the Go S is pulling close to 50% more power

[blissful temple]

Do you have legion go s

[charred kite]

I did yes

[blissful temple]

Oh is it that bad

Jesus

[charred kite]

Yeah it’s really really bad

Even where you’d think it might do well, it does worse

[blissful temple]

So what does compare to the steam deck performance

[charred kite]

I’d only buy a Go S Z2 Go in the same situation as a Z1 Ally. Something around like 350 or so

[charred kite]

Both running at 800p it can offer better performance at a higher TDP

But apples to apples it’s pretty much the same in the few games I played local

And the moment you try to do 1080p you are 25w or higher just to be at 30fps in something like No Mans Sky

[blissful temple]

Ouch that's peak

[charred kite]

Just sitting at the Bazzite home screen where my deck pulls 5.5w the Go S was at 15w just to be smooth

The Z1E Go OG was around 10w

[blissful temple]

One thing I will say that they shouldn't release the windows version and steam os like cheaper as well

[blissful temple]

15w

It should be low nah

[warm belfry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/s/rVni9ZbWfU

Looks a bit rounder

[silent nimbus]

No C button???

[charred kite]

I don’t think that’s a console. Looks far too small. It’s more likely a prototype variant of a backbone or something

[radiant ginkgo]

I'm pretty sure that's just a razer kishi

[charred kite]

That’s it! I knew one existed with those two slots on the edge

[radiant ginkgo]

Identical lol

[charred kite]

Yeah

Guarantee it’s a Kishi, even has the depression around the stick

[radiant ginkgo]

I recognized the two slightly off set buttons on the right side immediately

[warm belfry]

Yeah you might be right. False alarm 😅

[radiant ginkgo]

Probably the Razer Edge itself

On the other hand, this might be it

Bottom left corner

[charred kite]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-bmr-under-siege-2-movie-apply-full-image-enhancing-enhance-gif-11740005328423716755

[radiant ginkgo]

I see a full sized stick and chunky triggers

Not much else out there it could be, and it doesn't look like other existing x86 handhelds that I recognize

[charred kite]

And based on the handle, it looks like a high stick on the right side, no?

The only ones who use that silver trim on the stick is Lenovo currently

[radiant ginkgo]

Which one uses a silver trim?

The Legion uses a silver ring, not stick as far as I can tell

[charred kite]

The Go S has silver trim on the stem like the photo has

[radiant ginkgo]

You sure? I could be wrong but I don't see it

[charred kite]

Yeah if you watch Russ video on it you’ll see them. I returned mine so I can’t send a pic of it

Whatever it is in the pic though has a very flat front

[radiant ginkgo]

Ah, now I see

Yeah, the pic is definitely not the Lenovo

[charred kite]

No it’s not one we currently have

I was just saying they are the only ones I’ve seen using those specific sticks

[radiant ginkgo]

Funny enough considering that this is an Asus device

Maybe they're Microsoft's own sticks

[charred kite]

Well we assume it is an ASUS. They also never said that the partnered device was just one device

Microsoft would be smart to release a few variants and see what form factors take off and are preferred

[radiant ginkgo]

They retweeted Asus a bit ago, but I suppose it is just speculation

[charred kite]

Yeah, I agree that it most likely is the Ally 2. But we will have to see. I just hope they do something soon, but they could be holding off due to the economic uncertainties at the moment

[radiant ginkgo]

Phil mentions in the video that it'll be announced soon with an upcoming game. Speculation that it's the Oblivion remake

[soft island]

With tarrifs it's probably already been killed by MS

[mild sinew]

Brother its already may and we still got no new Information

[charred kite]

I’d wager tariffs delayed this a bunch as the whole costs target has moved

[deft sierra]

Apparently, someone recently noticed the wording on the recent Gears of War remaster's announcement...

Could the ROG Ally/Xbox thing be the first of many "Xbox PCs"? Who knows

[gusty saddle]

Could also mean gamepass on PC

[deft sierra]

True

[gusty saddle]

I am in the camp that we will still probably see something come out of this just dunno when tho

[charred kite]

That’s my guess.

I figure they will launch some Xbox UI for PCs and integrate Gamepass branding into it. Instead of calling it Gamepass Ultimate Console+Desktop it’ll probably be Gamepass Ultimate Xbox Console+Xbox PC

[kindred spindle]

I mean, if they actually ported Xbox OS to PCs (as opposed to just using Windows with an Xbox app) that would be really cool for handhelds

But that sounds like too much effort

[charred kite]

I don’t think they will bother doing that. It probably opens the consoles up to exploiting if they did something along those lines.

[kindred spindle]

Yeah, good point

Honestly I just really like my Xbox for casual stuff (been playing through remade Oblivion on and off lately), but Windows with an Xbox app doesn't sound anywhere near as plug and play

[blissful temple]

Man Man

[gusty saddle]

Most of the discussion has been surrounding the idea that they are working on some sort of front end or handheld OS

Or at least usable controller inputs on windows

[kindred spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-philip-j-fry-heart-broken-heart-gif-22606265

[gusty saddle]

I don't think it's toooo hard to believe. I mean especially if asus is just handling the hardware part

[kindred spindle]

I'm just kidding honestly

[gusty saddle]

Fair it feels like vaporware to me too lol

Just gotta hope

[kindred spindle]

Oh wait, I misunderstood you. I thought you meant the handheld OS is impossible

[gusty saddle]

Oh no

I think that's what we're gonna get

Lol

Or at least what they're alluding to

[kindred spindle]

I think it's not completely unreasonable (basically just go the SteamOS route), but man that just sounds too good to be true

I obviously gave up on the idea they're making the handheld themselves (huge fan of MS-made hardware tbh), so I guess this is the next best thing

[warm belfry]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-ally-2-and-rog-ally-2-xbox-edition-gaming-handhelds-leaked

🤮

What is this design 😂

[pulsar grotto]

oh no

[warm belfry]

@ancient stag @covert furnace @lofty granite @gritty cargo

[gusty saddle]

I refuse to believe this is real

[warm belfry]

Very good fake if not 😅😂

Looks so bad 😂😂😂

[gusty saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-mandalorian-laugh-cry-gif-21495683

[warm belfry]

Im sure ergonomically its amazing though

[covert furnace]

🤮

[ancient stag]

No, no way

This..

[warm belfry]

Yep

[covert furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[ancient stag]

Probably some prototype or something?

or really good photoshop/ai

lol

[covert furnace]

Yea I refuse

I can’t

[warm belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/grief-cycle-first-sign-denial-of-denial-is-the-first-sign-of-denial-in-denial-denying-gif-13931620905986364267

[sharp ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/what-in-the-actual-fuck-what-in-the-actual-fuck-johnny-cage-johnny-cage-mortal-kombat-1-mortal-kombat-1-mortal-kombat-1-johnny-cage-gif-16481823016735548355

[covert furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/not-like-this-stare-no-nope-gif-16373672

[warm belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/elephant-ears-dumbo-happy-dance-gif-5359901

Reminds me of dumbo 😂

[sharp ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[radiant ginkgo]

Sorry haters, but this is peak handheld design

[velvet skiff]

yeah this is great. looks goofy but very practical.

[sharp ingot]

I was trying to remember what this reminded me of

[warm belfry]

I was about to post the gamecube keyboard

[rapid veldt]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-ally-2-and-rog-ally-2-xbox-edition-gaming-handhelds-leaked

Don't know if this counts here or not, but thought it was more Relevant than just Starting a Whole new Thread

[warm belfry]

Yeah already posted above 😅 but yeah this xbox and ally 2 handheld in one kinda. They are essentially same handheld

If true. We may have the gcloud of x86 handhelds

Even if it is super ugly

[soft island]

Assuming their going with 8+" screen this shits gonna be huge as well

[rapid veldt]

Personally, even if it's Ugly, if it's comfortable....I may let it slide

There are other X 86 devices that are just Ugly & Uncomfortable

[soft island]

Making deck look saner and saner every day

[rapid veldt]

Deck needs more Power

Can't keep using a Chip that was Old in 2020 in the current t year and asking that much money

[warm belfry]

In fairness only a handful of people love the gcloud. Me being one of those due to how comfortable it is. Still most ergo handheld out there

[rapid veldt]

Another Device I'm waiting for a "Refresh" on because of that stupid picture Snapdragon released

[warm belfry]

Me too 😬😬😬😬

[rapid veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/go-on-gollum-my-precious-gif-10877364535161632621

G cloud was good except the Chip & D Pad

[soft island]

I just meant shape and size wise. Gets flack for being big. But this thing looks monstrous. Plus many would consider deck ergos good enough. No reason to reinvent the wheel and give it some dongs

[rapid veldt]

Some of us perfer it that way. It's a Familar hold 😉

[soft island]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-evil-headnod-jack-nicholson-gif-8019533

It def takes or to pure couch dedication that's for sure

[rapid veldt]

I'm just more concerned about Weight. Curious how freaking Heavy this tank about to be

[rapid veldt]

My Current Ally X is already dedicated for the Couch. No big loss there

[warm belfry]

Xbox Handheld/Ally 2

Updated name as same device essentially

[weary igloo]

im into it. just worried about price. the ally x is already $800..

that VideoCardz article mentioned an event when Asus would likely announce the handhelds. when is that gonna be?

answered my own question - the event is in two weeks

[blissful temple]

True but at the same time as 2020 chip they did extremely well 🌟

https://tenor.com/view/xbox-among-us-sus-gif-24221995

[weary igloo]

Russ is gonna love the ergos

[blissful temple]

Ally 2 black version would be $800 again

White model maybe 599

[cold marten]

800$ kinda impossible now

[weary igloo]

think that’s including Donnie’s taxes? will Asus take the hit and eat the extra cost?

[cold marten]

1200$ good chances

[weary igloo]

this is what i’m thinking as well

[cold marten]

I would like the ergonomics, I want these for playing comfortably not a decoration piece

[rapid veldt]

I just think it will be a Familiar feeling in both hands. Like a Good time I had once a Party

[blissful temple]

Oh yh

But not the amd custom apu tho

That's super steam deck

[deft sierra]

Kind of interesting to see that they'll probably make the white model an entry-level one if it's using the Aerith Plus CPU (the rumored Z2 A?)

[blissful temple]

With 120hz probably $599 to 499

If 499 100% good deal

[deft sierra]

Pray ASUS learned from Lenovo's mistake...

[turbid trench]

Looks comfy as hell

[blissful temple]

One thing I know about asus the software will be fineeeeee

[blissful temple]

Man Duke xbox handheld is coming back

I can't lie I actually dig with this

[charred kite]

Uhmm, where the eff is the 8” panel???

[warm belfry]

https://www.theverge.com/news/662440/xbox-handheld-photos-microsoft-asus-rog-ally-2-fcc-listing

Verge now reporting on it

@ancient stag @covert furnace seeming pretty legit now 😂

[ancient stag]

What are the chances we get a windows gaming edition / interface alongside this

[covert furnace]

I think that's the part I'm most curious about, what the Xbox version entails

[warm belfry]

Well at least we know how bad the finger print situation gets 😂

Clearly they have been eating greasy chips

[covert furnace]

that shell is definitely not final

https://tenor.com/view/cheetos-dirty-fingers-linus-tech-tips-ltt-lmg-gif-25069604

[warm belfry]

What excites me most is seeing how big those speakers are

https://tenor.com/view/blown-away-maxell-tape-ad-advertising-stereo-music-gif-25588455

[charred kite]

It’ll just be the Xbox app, but almost certainly

[silent nimbus]

50/50

[sharp ingot]

Yeah I don't expect Microsoft to put much effort into this tbh, just slap on their label and maybe a front-end

[gusty saddle]

Hopefully phil spencer putting money where his mouth is

[modern coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-gif-11129110201495930569

[warm belfry]

I doubt it. But i wonder if the xbox version will be subsidized to get people through the door like their consoles and spend money on xbox store 🤷🏻‍♂️

Or gamepass

[covert furnace]

Yea, hopefully it's subsidized a bit

I imagine the Xbox button just brings up the Xbox app in Windows

[gusty saddle]

Nah it just brings up the windows start menu

It brings up task manager

[sharp ingot]

Windows gaming edition would be crazy

[warm belfry]

Reminds me of Windows XP Media Center edition.

[covert furnace]

lol brings up CTRL ALT DEL

: (

[gusty saddle]

Honestly would not be a horrible hotkey 🤣

[covert furnace]

and then you get sad blue screen

[gusty saddle]

Blue screen on a handheld is probably a different kind of pain

[blissful temple]

Well microsoft have to prove they can make windows gaming experience

If they Want to complete against upcoming all star steam os

[covert furnace]

lol MS after 3 decades...

https://tenor.com/view/nah-han-sung-kang-fast-x-no-gif-9009623534519168477

[blissful temple]

Dad we need faith I know Ms is not good at delivering but it could make a difference when it comes to pc gaming

Having like a console experience

[covert furnace]

it would be awesome

[soft island]

Yeah, i'll be shocked

Maybe by Gwindows 10

[blissful temple]

But also if they take advantage of xbox play anywhere it would be even better

[soft island]

Unfortunately in the current world it's probably going to have AI up it's ass

probably some NPU requirement so they can learn from your gaming

[charred kite]

I wish they’d do something like that

[cosmic ridge]

Next gen Xbox is being worked on by the surface team

[deft sierra]

I wonder if the "Xbox PC" they were talking about is basically MCE for games...

[turbid trench]

Am I the only one for them going Omega ergos?

[silent nimbus]

I'm all for it

[charred kite]

As long as it works, yeah

I wish they added a second set of back buttons though

[sharp ingot]

Nah it's ugly as sin but focusing more on ergonomics makes the most sense for a pc handheld

I'm still going to make fun of it though 💯

[mild sinew]

If it plays all xbox console games and PC games its an instant buy

[stray socket]

I don't think this one is the handheld Xbox, as in an Xbox that is a handheld, and is just an Xbox branded PC handheld?

Unless I've not been keeping up and this is that device.

[gusty saddle]

It's a pc handheld

[blissful temple]

It's pc handheld

[peak path]

I hope Microsoft makes a special version of windows optimized for gaming. You load automatically into a game loader and all of the desktop mode stuff is completely walled off and you have to swap to it to use it (like steamos)

[silent nimbus]

As nice as it would be that's probably the least likely scenario

a "windows 11 gaming edition" or such would be really nice

[warm belfry]

Xbox series devices are technically running a version of windows at the moment. So I don’t doubt that it is possible to make a xbox windows hybrid handheld. But this will likely be xbox version of big picture mode more than anything else to be honest

[fleet girder]

There's rumors this thing will have a 99wh battery, right under TSA limit

So maybe they're doubling down on ergonomics, battery life and extra ram this Gen so they didn't see the need to upgrade the screen yet

[brisk wadi]

My Ally X is damn near perfect, just too heavy. If they could keep the battery and somehow make it lighter, I’d buy it on day one

[silent nimbus]

My claw 8 is perfect

Hopefully we get a good Windows interface for gaming out of this

[gusty saddle]

Play with a pillow 🤔

Almost no way this will be lighter than the X

Switch 2 is a good choice though maybe lol

[brisk wadi]

Yeah, I can still dream though lol

[silent nimbus]

With a 99wh battery hell no lol

[sharp ingot]

"Xbox handheld"

Look inside

Front-end and label

[charred kite]

Biggest issue is that the Xbox app doesn’t have a list of games you’ve recently placed in reverse chronological order.

Instant no starter unless they fix that

[soft island]

Just picked up my steam deck last night and the ergos are just so good. I guess maybe the grips on this might work better for the traditional Xbox staggered sticks

[silent nimbus]

Not a fan of deck ergos personally

[gusty saddle]

Same

[ancient stag]

I believe "Jump Back In" is doing that

Not your entire library but for me is showing the last 9 titles

[charred kite]

Yeah but in my experience it doesn’t really follow the games you’ve actually played in order even if they were through Gamepass

Maybe they have changed the behavior recently though

[ancient stag]

I think that's the order I played those in. I didn't play minecraft but I think I installed it so it got a spot lol

But COD and E33 are def most recent two

[velvet skiff]

if you turn off compact mode you get this in the sidebar:

[grave sedge]

Better xCloud App got everything better 😏

Some smartphone screens

[silent nimbus]

Maybe it’s a nothing burger but I realized that the Xbox play anywhere icon changed recently

[blissful temple]

https://x.com/JezCorden/status/1928196747739750745?t=zSXGHsmGhCP1O886Xyp6Uw&s=33

Jez (@JezCorden)

EXCLUSIVE: Xbox's first-party handheld has been side-lined (for now), as Microsoft prioritizes Windows 11 PC gaming handheld optimization.

The Xbox Series X successor is full steam ahead, though.

DETAILS: https://t.co/CvxaYEQgeE 👇

X · May 29, 2025, 9:08 PM

[silent nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-6153870554148391864

[kindred spindle]

Maybe I'm biased but it doesn't feel like Series X needs a refreshment already

Like what are they gonna add, more ray tracing?

[velvet skiff]

ofc. and fsr4. rdna4 is a big jump in raytracing perf

[sharp ingot]

Full steam ahead?

[velvet skiff]

If they're targeting 9070 perf @ ~$600, that's a whole system for less than the street cost of a 9070

[blissful temple]

Full steam ahead

[gusty saddle]

It would be cool if the cloud system used something that could do 1080p120

I just learned today that was not the case already lol

[charred kite]

Don’t be surprised if the PS handheld goes the same route

[cold marten]

CPU actually GPU seems not much of improvement

Gone are days 50% improvement

It's been more than 2 years for AMD Z1 extreme

Trying to play Red Dead Redemption 2 at 60 is still a drag

Too many compromises

Wondering how long for Z3 Extreme

[silent nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-gif-10559980082154008380

[velvet skiff]

because amd integrated graphics is still basically the same as 7series. Next gen ("UDNA") is supposed to be the one where rdna4 will be in integrated chips

[warm belfry]

https://youtu.be/7HXKW77Erso?si=ffcl20sGSYvrVeCi

https://youtu.be/3njzvmkEZGo?si=7_ITGYyNFjM3XH8-

https://youtu.be/Y3mJYmkEXl8?si=-a4A5tudsHVYJYdg

https://youtu.be/8_jnCcIWb5E?si=e83Q7s2GhUI071rZ

Enjoy the content 😅

@lofty granite @ancient stag @covert furnace

[ancient stag]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[warm belfry]

Chip update, handles and software. Are main points here. But overall much of the same.

[ancient stag]

Can’t watch right now is it windows or Xbox os

[warm belfry]

Boots into xbox mode over windows

Like big picture

[ancient stag]

If optimized windows will it come to existing windows handhelds?

[warm belfry]

It does things like uses less ram and stops annoying windows updates while in xbox mode

But essentially its big picture mode. And armoury crate is now a widget within xbox mode

[ancient stag]

7” and not oled is a double negative for me though.

Doubt I’d buy this one.

[charred kite]

Ughhhhhhhhhh why 7”

There is a perfectly wonderful 8” VRR 1200p panel

Literally better across the board

[warm belfry]

Still 24gb ram too. Not 32gb

Low end 16gb

[charred kite]

24GB is great

Zero issues there

[sharp ingot]

Yeah 32 is kind of unnecessary tbh

Nice to have but probably not going to add all that much

[charred kite]

The price is going to be absurd since it’s not a proper Xbox console subsidized and the 7” screen is a dealbreaker

And Z2A…. As is the Z2G wasn’t bad enough as it was, let’s make it even worse lol

[warm belfry]

😅 yeah i think high end or nothing really

But handles though 👍

Personally going to wait for LeGo 2. But thats just me

[charred kite]

Legion go still gonna be super uncomfortable for sure

It’s great if you want an x86 tablet with controllers but it’s too big to be a real handheld IMO

[granite island]

Damn Lego 2

[warm belfry]

I have my current lego on my chest half the time

[granite island]

Hasn't it been a few 80 years of Lego 1

And a movie

Changing the Lego system will ruin a lot of compatibility

[sharp ingot]

Four of them actually

[deft sierra]

(CoughGalidorcough)

[granite island]

So many cultural references to the current system

I don't know how they'll do it

What would they even change

[sharp ingot]

Go back to wood maybe

[deft sierra]

...they're pulling the legs of Silksong fans everywhere/lh

[sharp ingot]

The hardware on this isn't really anything crazy, the windows improvements are pretty interesting though

[ancient stag]

Maybe z2a is hx 365 or something, better than the go?? Idk

[deft sierra]

Last time, rumors said the Z2A is just the Steam Deck CPU

With this in mind I had expected that chip to debut in a SteamOS handheld, not a Windows one

[ancient stag]

Well z2go has almost identical performance to deck at 15w

[ebon anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/its-about-time-starcraft-tycho-gif-19200895

[molten current]

The software side is by far the most interesting news here. Tbh I didn't expect Microsoft to go through the effort.

[warm belfry]

Hopefully they will release an image or app for other devices

[charred kite]

Linus showed Zen2 and 8CUs lol

[molten current]

I hope I can somehow graft this on top of Win11 LTSC 😂

[warm belfry]

Sweet LeGo time @ancient stag

😅

[ancient stag]

Yeah zero interest in these outside of windows improvements (hopefully coming to existing handhelds??)

[deft sierra]

Wouldn't surprise me if they do bring it to existing handhelds too

[molten current]

This makes me think it'll generally run on any Windows PC

Hype hype hype

Still not buying the hardware tho 😂

[grand fulcrum]

This just looks ugly too me

Probably comfortable, but God

[molten current]

Not a fan of giant handhelds that are no more convenient than a laptop

[warm belfry]

Ergo heaven. But one ugly boy lol

[warm belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-cat-peeking-gif-8420673

According to tom warren 😅

[grand fulcrum]

And even then, like Bass said, the window's improvements will be awesome to see, but at this point, just get an Ally or Leigon Go 2

[warm belfry]

Im a lenovo shill. So there was little Asus could do to sway me

😅

[molten current]

I haven't mained a mouse on my home PC in ages, so I hope it doesn't get in the way of my controller PC mapping. But knowing how current Game Pass stuff in Windows work it almost certainly will. 🥲

[grand fulcrum]

I mean... I have two Lenovo thinkpads that are still kicking + I like the Legion Go

[warm belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

[grand fulcrum]

Tbh, this is one of those Devices that lives up to the phrase "Why do you exist? What is your purpose?"

[charred kite]

It sounds like someone will have to reverse engineer it though. A public release doesn’t seem plausible cause off that tweet

[grand fulcrum]

Cause if you don't have Game Pass or aren't interested in the Xbox Library, there are just

Better options

[ancient stag]

Which tweet?

[molten current]

You might be right but my hopes are up. The main impetus to lock it down being to optimize specifically for various brands probably.

[grand fulcrum]

My main question now is

[warm belfry]

It says “and other windows handhelds”. I will assume this will come in a Windows update or a download of some sort. Guessing microsoft had a deal with asus that gave them exclusivity for a while

[grand fulcrum]

Wtf is the price

[wise spear]

So the reveal happened

[warm belfry]

…bit like lenovo being only partner with steam. Imagine more handhelds will come once initial deals are over

[wise spear]

I'm kinda excited tbh

Not really the device but what Xbox will bring to the Window devices to support it

[warm belfry]

It likely wont take long to get an unofficial version of this pushed to a handheld. Hell im running Windows 11 unsupported 😅 on my pc

[wise spear]

Do you think they'll make an official Xbox launcher for windows?

Or something like that

[grand fulcrum]

This is one im interested in for the same reason. The device itself Idgaf about, but the possibility of better Windows gaming performance is interesting it think about

But thing is, will it be enough to stop the wave that Valve has made with people slowly swapping over to Linux

[wise spear]

Nah

As long as Steam Deck is successful, Linux gaming will be chugging along fine

[grand fulcrum]

I mean, ik that, but i was being more rhetorical

[blissful temple]

Steam deck is successful but having better windows experience gaming wise would help a lot

[charred kite]

The one from Tom Warren

[charred kite]

My impression from the tweet is they are building it along with ASUS for the Ally and they will choose what devices get it. Sounds like a partner program to me

[feral matrix]

So this is a windows handheld?

[mild sinew]

fking hell 7 inch screen and no oled

pfff

[blissful temple]

Yes but xbox style

[turbid trench]

VRR for handhelds is amazing. VRR on OLED is still ass

[blissful temple]

Word

[feral matrix]

Xbox style? Is the OS going to be like console experience Xbox?

[mild sinew]

it can use this "Xbox Remote Play"

to play xbox games

[feral matrix]

So can everything else

[mild sinew]

I rly hoped it can play xbox games natively

no streaming shit

legion go 2 it is then I guess

[turbid trench]

Why would you not be able to play Xbox games natively lol

Pretty much everything Xbox is made pc

[toxic sorrel]

i have the ally 1 so im more interested in the software side of this but its neat to see

[soft island]

Dual boot into big picture would be awesome. Should be pretty easy to do with a launch script. Pick one, the other, or desktop

[soft island]

I have no clue but I'll always take more

[turbid trench]

I'm saying it in a more like "what are you talking about way lol".

[soft island]

Oh. Haha

[sage jolt]

Why not Legion Go S Z1E

[turbid trench]

Personally this looks dope, love the work done on this windows side, love going all in on ergos

[sage jolt]

Looks great

[grand fulcrum]

It looks too chunky imho

[deft sierra]

Meanwhile, me wondering if clearance sales for the original Allys will come after the Xbox Allys go on sale, or if ASUS considers them distinct enough

(Heck, who knows, maybe we'll see the ROG name used for SteamOS Allys in the future)

[fleet girder]

No display improvement, no ram increase (the cheaper model has slower ram as well)

Seems like a skip

Didn't increase battery size either

[spiral yoke]

If it’s more budget friendly that way with just a upgraded APU then Im OK with that , the screen was already good and 80Whr the biggest you can find .
Might trade my OG Ally if its worth it

[cedar hedge]

I read that this is one of the reasons why switch 2 has LCD instead of OLED. Why is VRR on OLED technically difficult to achieve?

[charred kite]

OLED brightness works by pulsing the backlight on and off (PWM). At a set refresh rate that is not difficult to achieve and have it not be perceptible to most people.

VRR adjusts that and IRRC they have to double the PWM rate to compensate but that means only half the light gets through so the pixel brightness requires substantially more power

It’s less of a technology issue and more of a power issue. Laptops are just now getting OLED VRR panels. The Legion Go 2 is going to be interesting to see if/how they pull it off

[deft sierra]

I think some iPhone Pros have OLED VRR too?

[charred kite]

Adjustable, not variable

[deft sierra]

Heh, must've gotten them confused

[charred kite]

Adjustable means it can be changed at a much slower rate then what you’d need for a game or whatnot

[charred kite]

Lenovo did too with the original Go branding it “ARR” which it really wasn’t

The SteamDeck OLED is somewhat ARR as well since it has a bunch of rates it is compatible with

VRR flicker is also a symptom of the problem too. My guess is on power constrained handhelds it gets really bad

[kindred spindle]

I think my problem is that this is just a gaming PC as opposed to a specific handheld that devs would target and optimize for

That's the thing I liked about that old "let's just make Series S, but portable" idea — it's hardware devs already target

Here it seems to be just one configuration of many

And the appeal of an Xbox handheld for me would be not having to think about tweaking/configuration at all

Oh, and backwards compatibility with X360/X1 library (even at current Xbox levels) that hasn't been mentioned so far IIRC

Not to mention I would assume that 5 years later Microsoft+AMD would be able to put SeS into a much smaller device than this

[blissful temple]

I agree

[soft island]

It looks hideous. But with that powa I'm gonna be couching it anyway. Not picking up chicks

If it feels like actual controller grips I'm all for it

[soft island]

https://youtu.be/Pp3fbZZOlcs?si=Y0VDhoRnmwH1YkSu

Had some good comparison pics and first takes

Talks about grips a bit too

Def seems like an Asus device Xbox commandeered rather than designed itself. Id take the little extra width to basically get the PS portal equivalent but Xbox grips

[velvet skiff]

Hope the os image comes for steam deck at some point lol

I prefer windows, and running non-steam games without jumping through hoops, but prefer the extra inputs on the deck

[soft island]

Dual booting is def the way to go. It's what I do on my GPD win max 2

[deft sierra]

One thing I'm now curious about: with the new handheld having zero signs of ROG branding, does this mean ASUS will reserve ROG branding for SteamOS devices now, or just for non-Xbox stuff in general?

[velvet skiff]

there's ROG brandiong on the bottom bezel

[deft sierra]

And yeah, my daily driver laptop dual-boots, heh. Great for when you encounter something that only works on one OS and not the other

[deft sierra]

Heh, didn't notice at first

[soft island]

The entire texture of the device is says "rog Xbox" and the giant bezel letters

[deft sierra]

Oops, sorry

[soft island]

Haha. All good

Just funny. Cause it's coated in the letters ROG

[deft sierra]

Heh

[lone prawn]

My impressions based on the announcement. The Xbox Ally X looks ugly as hell. It maybe ergonomic but I found the Ally X comfy enough, the added bulk and weight for extra comfort is not worth it in my opinion. It has the same 80wh batteru and screen (original rumour was 99wh) making this upgrade note worth it just for like 20 percent extra performance if even that on higher wattages. I know mid and low range wattage there is more of a bigger improvement.

What excites me is the OS improvements especially if this means we get imrpovef sleep mode thars reliable and drains much less battery (heard its 2 thirds less battery drain that before on standby)

Im hoping this OS improvement comes to original Ally X and ill be satisfied

[soft island]

Dave said in hand it wasn't even that much more ergonomic

So I'm kinda like, eh

But yeah. A less shitty windows is welcome all around

[lone prawn]

In the UK Ally X can be had for £500 - £530 used way better value proposition than this

[soft island]

Yeah nthe performance bump isn't even that significant

I mean I guess it gets you to 900/1080?

[lone prawn]

When they go to RDNA4 thars when we will get a bigger performance increase

This is a minor improvement but atleast the OS stuff looks promising

[glossy elm]

Those ergonomics look divine, excited just on that alone

Steam Deck brutalizes my wrists even with grips

[blissful temple]

I'm thinking about z2a and the price around it

But also the xbox os

[lone prawn]

So glad I got my Ally X when I found it for £530 no regrets and looks like it will be something I will keep until the Ally 3 which let's be honest is another 2.5 years away

[soft island]

Yeah but might work for you then. Personally I just think it's dumb they didn't angle them like a controller.

It's not like your holding your hands out that much wider

And now it's thicc, cause the battery has less room

[blissful temple]

But But I was thinking something

If they are doing this right

[lone prawn]

No doubt it will be comfy i like the GameCube comtroller feel bit the additinal bulk and ugliness ain't worth it especially with Ally X already being pretty good and comfy for me

[blissful temple]

They need to do xbox 360 and og xbox on pc and forget about xbox handheld

[soft island]

Agreed. Just save me all the effort

[blissful temple]

Especially when we got two models and you are focusing on xbox os on the handheld

And we are getting rumored about xbox pc

Like this point they should put it all and let it fly

[lone prawn]

They should have added a tiny trackpad

[blissful temple]

Erm agree as well

But at the same time idk

[lone prawn]

Im not a fan of trackpad with games but it's useful to do odd bits on windows

[blissful temple]

Let me watch the first impressions seeing wag1 on the device

[lone prawn]

I hate having to swap from controller mode to mouse mode not a dealbreaker but a minor annoyance was thinking this would be a obvious thing to add on a Ally 2

[deep prairie]

compared to an ally X running bazzite this is not a huge upgrade, chip is new almost everything else is similar

sure if you were on windows 11 instead of bazzite the software leap is the big deal

but I don't think this is "the big leap" overall, it cannot even use FSR 4 upscaling because no RDNA 4 on APUs

[lone prawn]

I personally cannot stand Linux so the Windows OS improvements are a big deal for me

[glossy elm]

I definitely get that. I’m just excited for once, someone actually put some level of thought into ergonomics. Seems like no one really does these days

I’m old, and have old hands 😂

[lone prawn]

I think if Ally X ergonomics were so bad the people would have cared more but most were satisfied with Ally X ergos

So this just seems unnecessarily overkill

[drowsy grotto]

Ngl the USB4 port is a huge fail if it doesnt have full pcie support

could it possibly be USB4 v2.0 with the 80gb bandwith?

that'd be perfect and I'd probably get myself one for Christmas tbh

if its 40gb idk if I could consider it because if im spending so much on a handheld I want to be able to dock it properly

I wonder what the pricing will look like, if they can at least make it as much or less than the ps5 pro then it wont be too crazy price wise

[sage halo]

I was interested but apparently the z2 extreme is equivalent to a8840u, which I already have with my gpd.

[feral matrix]

They confirmed there is a "gaming mode" that shut off window process in the background. I think thats the biggest positive selling point for this device

But damn it looks ugly lol

[deep prairie]

yeah that's a "big positive" compared to windows which I would never use on a handheld xD

took them 3 years to catch up with valve, that's why I think it's not exactly moving the needle - maybe for windows Ally users? idk

[feral matrix]

They said it can boot straight to gaming mode. You never see windows. Like steam deck uses never see desktop mode

[deep prairie]

I think many of them would have installed bazzite but probably not

yeah I get that part

I am just saying that's not a big innovation if you have used linux on x86 handhelds

[feral matrix]

Competition is always good.

[deep prairie]

for sure, if you read my OG comment I was just going on about how this is not "the big revolution"

it's still good to see ofc, seems like "windows" handhelds might be usable outside of the box now

guess for people who want to play anti cheat games that never worked on linux this is big

because they cannot switch to bazzite on an Ally X without getting locked out of the specific titles

[feral matrix]

Yes. Windows has more compatbility than Linux

That is also major selling point

If this devices new "gaming" OS can offer a similiar/better experience than Bazzite, then its a no brainer.

[deep prairie]

I always felt like these anti cheat games being pvp were titles people get competitive in, not ideal on a handheld but maybe people dock it and play with controller (?)

I am probably to PC pilled to understand

if I think anything esports game I think of people with 240Hz monitors on desktop lol

[feral matrix]

Im not talking about anti cheat stuff. I'm referring to different game compatibly due to being Linux. Most game launchers are made to be on windows

[deep prairie]

similiar/better experience than Bazzite
def a high bar but it would be good for the handheld PC space

[deep prairie]

fair enough, I have mostly seen people complain about games being blocked due to anti cheat on the deck

[turbid trench]

https://youtu.be/1vce4ei6Mzg

[deep prairie]

guess there are a few more where proton doesn't make it playable tho

ETA prime?

• what a beast ✅
• plays everything ✅
• so excited for this ✅
• great emulation performance ✅

[feral matrix]

Yea. If you are a gaming on Linux it can be a pain in the ass outside of steam games.

[deep prairie]

I had the feeling a lot of people had workarounds with heroic games launcher and all that jazz

[turbid trench]

I mean his style is literally perfect for previews

[deep prairie]

but I guess by now some people might have games in the microsoft store or smth

that said we will see how well steam games and other titles integrate on this xbox handheld

they have a lot of things to deliver on

[deep prairie]

yeah just barely any criticism so you gotta be aware it's a positive echo chamber

[turbid trench]

Some comparison sizes

[deep prairie]

hopefully Russ and Rob get their hands on one soon

ok nvm Russ literally uploaded a video 1 min after I said this xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNixS89T4rM

[turbid trench]

Niceee

[spiral yoke]

It's sort of growing on me

[deep prairie]

I mean if people have no PC handheld and the OS is solid out of the box this could be good, but might be 800-1000 bucks which is scary

[spiral yoke]

Still not sure the Z2E is a enough for me to upgrade , its kind of underwhelming

[deep prairie]

from what?

[spiral yoke]

The OG Ally

[turbid trench]

I mean in your case likely you'd just slap the OS when you can

[deep prairie]

yeah that's not a huge upgrade

I guess the 24GB of RAM help in some newer AAA games to avoid stutter

think horizon forbidden west etc.

[spiral yoke]

Hopefully it's not crazy more expensive the the first X

[deep prairie]

if you do not play any of those it seem too small of a step

[turbid trench]

The comfort level looks insane to me

[deep prairie]

if AMD had RDNA 4 APUs this would be massive, FSR 4 is like 10x better than any AMD upscaler prior

future handheld gens hopefully will get FSR 4, upscaling is the only way you can keep up with many modern releases so the quality of an upscaler is foundational for a high end handheld imo

[cold marten]

Xbox came to ROG, for using the same freaking naming they do with Xbox. Confusing people with the same shit over again

[velvet skiff]

at least 2-3 years away, as rdna4 isn't coming to this gen's APUs.

[zealous echo]

I thought this looked really bad when it leaked but it’s definitely growing on me. I don’t think it will be very portable but I realize I never want to take these big devices out traveling anyways. Something more comfortable could be worthwhile.

Also Windows means I can load Minecraft for my son without using the Android version.

[turbid trench]

One more comparison pic, seems to be in the same realm

[peak path]

I think you are 100% right as in there is not a single game that would be bottlenecked by the ram before it is bottlenecked by the iGPU. 24GB is fine lol

I was wondering why there were so many SteamDecks put up for sale today lol, glad this is finally shown off

Xbox finally relevant to me again 😂

[lone prawn]

If Xbox Ally comes out end of this year along with Legion Go 2. Thats 2.5 years since the original Ally. So going from one generation graphic chipset of Z1E to Z2E that's 2.5 years. And Z2E isn't really much more powerful. So if you want another 2.5 years for Z3E with RDNA4 in total for a true generational leap that's 5 years.

[drowsy grotto]

It's annoying none of the people who got a chance to get hands on with it had the balls to post real testings or try stuff like eGpus

[deep prairie]

yeah I think until then the hardware side is not that exciting to me personally

I guess Zen 6 rumors potentially being TSMC 2nm is good to hear, I know everybody is going on about how we got enough CPU perf for handhelds but with a new home console gen not that far in the future it's good to have additional headroom

[rough thorn]

Would the Xbox Ally X in theory be the best value handheld depending on price if it came out this year?

[tribal maple]

Value is entirely subjective, what do you mean?

[feral matrix]

No. I still think bang for buck steam deck is still king.

Obviously if you want more performance than what steam deck offers then you have no choice

[lone prawn]

Best bang for buck is a used OG Ally Z1E then mod it immediately with a 74wh battery and larger SSD

If you look around you may also find a decent deal on a used Ally X, if found mine for £530 with 8 months warranty (RRP is £800)

[rough thorn]

Just in terms of performance/ raw value

[peak path]

They were providing really good value compared to PS5. Xbox was more powerful while at the same cost of a disc ps5. PS5 disc less was the best price to raw performance. But that went out the window when ms hiked the prices

I wouldn’t trust ms to care much about price to performance on a cutting edge handheld immediately after ms increased the price on their aging console.

[tribal maple]

Performance will probably be top of the line but considering you can play 95-98% of the same games on a Steam Deck for half the cost puts it significantly ahead for value

And the other suggestion of a used Z1E is also true, same concept. So categorically it’s very difficult to call it good value unless you must have those 3-5% of games

[sharp ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-man-idk-i-dont-know-gif-27358524

[tribal maple]

My launch one died recently and I was so pissed about the price hike. Series X is my favorite console in recent memory

[peak path]

I’m sorry about that! There are still good used console sales to be found. I’ve never thought we’d see a mid gen price hike instead of a price cut for a video game console.

[grave stirrup]

Do we have rumored pricing on the low end model yet?

[charred kite]

If I am taking a wild swing, I would say the prices are probably 599 and 1099 +/- $100 on each one

[drowsy grotto]

Anyone know when we could expect to get a detailed spec sheet and people testing eGpu support?

Need to know if it's doa for eGpu use

The Usb4 version is still unspecified

Really really reallyyyyyy praying for Usb4 2.0

[charred kite]

Probably won’t hear anything about it till November at the earliest

[drowsy grotto]

Pain

[peak path]

Didn’t know about v2 until your post. The stats on v2 are crazy! 80Gbps both ways (double v1) but then half of the lanes are reversible so up to 120Gbps! 🤯

[drowsy grotto]

It's a game changer but idk why nothings used it yet so I'm wondering what's the deal with it

[peak path]

ChatGPT told me that there are some thunderbolt 5 products out now and that is the same standard

[drowsy grotto]

Some have said it's been rebranded as Tb5 but it still exists in recently updated specs lists and standards things

[peak path]

I thought TB was just Intel’s version that they essentially do everything in the USB4 consortium spec but just bring it to market faster.

[warm belfry]

ASUS ROG Xbox Ally

Name updated after recent news

[rough thorn]

I already have a Steam Deck and I want a Legion Go eventually but the inherent lack thereof of a giant performance leap is why I'm not so convinced to get one so quickly

I was curious if the Xbox Ally might be better but maybe not

My main gaming devices are my desktop and my Steam Deck

[fleet girder]

We've kind of reached the point where tsmc monopoly and corporate greed by all companies involved has allowed performance increases to now come with price increases therefore new generations aren't as exciting anymore

What is exciting, last generation devices going down in price

[blissful temple]

Yepp

[tribal maple]

Seriously, this is completely insane

[charred kite]

The Xbox Ally X is going to be what the Ally should be, it’ll handle more intensive games at 1080p instead of having to downscale many to 900p

It won’t be a massive leap up but it will be quite noticeable. The HX370 (what the Z2E should be) is also better at low power then the Z1E is.

[regal pond]

maybe a hot take, but I feel like they shouldn't have branded this "Xbox"

it will just confuse casual users and cheapen the brand

an Xbox handheld should be a handheld that plays Xbox games, as in the entire console library in the go; this isn't that, and it's going to confuse the casual user that doesn't understand the nuances of what's going on here

[sharp ingot]

I've already seen it happening lmao, it doesn't help that they say it "natively" plays xbox games, when in reality they probably just mean pc versions of those games

[regal pond]

plus it cheapens the brand because, what's an Xbox? that had an easy answer up until now, after this handheld an "Xbox" becomes a pretty vague "generic videogame related" brand; it cheapens it if they ever want to continue their line up of home consoles

Also "ASUS ROG Xbox Ally", what kind of name is that for what's supposed to be a big deal first party Xbox handheld

I'm excited for the work Microsoft is doing to make windows usable with controllers, but the marketing/brand effort here looks half assed, and that's a pity because it would be a good thing if this handheld was successful for the industry as a whole

[charred kite]

What looks halfassed though?

It’s going to be the best handheld you can buy and just like Xbox does with consoles it’s pretty well configured. 24GB vs 32GB which is unnecessary, Z2E vs Z1E, 7” vs 8” (which I don’t like) and is more in line with what people want for handheld use…

Xbox isn’t (just first party) hardware anymore, it’s a brand. I would not be shocked in the least to see a Logitech GCloud 2 come out and it be Xbox branded as well

[regal pond]

yes, don't get me wrong, it'll probably a good handheld

I'm thinking less of us and more about what the normies and the mainstream will make of this

[rugged briar]

Got a series s for 150

[regal pond]

and in that department it feels just cheap and poorly thought out

[fleet girder]

I definitely agree it cheapens the brand but Microsoft has chose this direction, they WANT everything to be an Xbox and to water down the brand. Instead of creating standalone hardware and nurturing development teams to give them exclusives, they would rather go all in on the subscription model on every piece of hardware approach. They think they need to do it because they're in firmly third place, but they absolutely could turn things around if they ironically enough started doing things more like Nintendo.

[sinful coral]

There were a few Series S units for $180 here in the marketplace too

[charred kite]

I don’t think they ever could do things like Nintendo.

The biggest issue is PC gaming. Microsoft has their feet in both camps. What do you do, lock all exclusives to console or do you diversify?

Consoles are a loss leader but the leader part is quickly evaporating as people have come to expect the ability to play what they want where they want.

I don’t see how the Ally waters down the brand to any large degree. If they start putting their Xbox branding on any junk that rolls into HQ with a fat stack of cash like Abxylute or something, sure.

But this feels intended as an Xbox branded PC

[tidal agate]

Yeah I’ve refused to buy hardware that can only run console games instead of my pc and emulation library since the Wii.u

I’m never going back to consoles

So if they want my money they have to release for pc

[weary igloo]

the real question: do these Windows improvements include an actual suspend mode? probably not but we can dream!

[rugged briar]

There was mention of it

[velvet skiff]

they said the sleep power drain is reduced by 3x. dont think there is a new type of sleep/suspend like deck does.

[lone prawn]

Where?

[peak path]

I think MS has left the idea of the you needing Xbox hardware that plays the Xbox games. They started last gen but really went much stronger this gen in trying to make Xbox a platform meant for all hardware.

As someone who hasn’t been following Xbox closely this gen, I legitimately don’t know of a Xbox single game that isn’t on PC that this rog ally wouldn’t be able to play. Of course I’m sure there are still console exclusive games on the Xbox console, just as a casual observer, I don’t even know what those are at this point without Google searching it

I think making windows a true gaming platform with the desktop completely walled off from a game and multimedia OS that you can boot into is the smartest thing MS can do. Also, from I’m reading about this special version of windows, I don’t see the general sentiment of this is “not doing what steamos does, this is just a big picture mode”. To me this seems like the windows version of steamos and I am all for it.

[tribal maple]

They are reading the tea leaves correctly IMO, pivoting to becoming a software conglomerate is more profitable

It’s just a little weird because of our attachment to the old idea of what Xbox is

Nintendo has their niche and people basically play ball. Sony might be in a tougher spot 10th gen than they are now, especially if Xbox titles stop dropping for the PS6

[charred kite]

The other thing as well is that as consoles and PCs get closer together for software and coding and budgets get larger there really is no good reason to the developer to make something exclusive

[tribal maple]

It’s really only an advantage for the people who make walled platforms ie Sony and Nintendo, and the latter never has to worry because they have essentially completely unique library offerings to the rest of the gaming world

We’re entering weird territory but it’s gonna be good eating for people in this space who are early adopters of portable PCs :)

[eager haven]

I think youre looking at it wrong. On the contrary it id an effort to strenghten the brand. They want ro make an “xbox” of everything, so everyone says i play it on my xbox, whether its a tv, handheld, home console or a fridge. Something like when at times prople used to say i watch it on netflix, cause they streamed it somewhere.

[charred kite]

Sony is already slipping. Look at the memes about quality first party exclusives between PS4 and PS5 and then how many are coming to PC within 12 months

I’m not sure how long they will be able to hold out

[kindred spindle]

Come to think of it, you'll be able to play God of War, Last of Us and the likes on an "Xbox" handheld

[kindred spindle]

I mean, I love my Xbox, but it would be weird if the next Doom or Elder Scrolls game become exclusive

[tidal agate]

So it’ll use 1/3rd the power but then still crash your game and require a hard boot on wake

[deft sierra]

It is definitely an interesting time for consoles. As I said, it won't surprise me if the emergence of consoleified PCs (including PC gaming handhelds, and maybe something like Steam Machines?) changes the whole market

[granite island]

I think the issue is that we're in this echo chamber here

The average PS5 buyer knows that Xbox has sold out their exclusives and bought PS5 for that reason

And that army of kids will continue to be born

A pivot to steam machines will speak to kids though

[kindred spindle]

Doesn’t Sony do the same thing this gen though?

I mean, a lot less of their games probably come to Xbox (“console exclusives”), but it does seem like most end up on PC

[blissful temple]

Yes but the problem is playstation is their preferred console

Like ps4 and xbox one is the start of people build the digital library

[sage halo]

I want to like this but why did they have to stick with the 7" display 💀

[charred kite]

100% agree

[granite island]

Xbox has sold out completely everything is on PC from day one. It takes a while for stuff to end up on PC. Plus the dualsense is 😋

[deft sierra]

I think me getting a fancy workstation laptop for college (and getting a friend's old gaming PC) is what led me down the path of PC gaming, heh

[silent nimbus]

Now that stellar blade is on PC there’s no reason to buy any console

PC master race

[granite island]

What did you need stellar blade on pc for

I guess the tv is an inconvenient place to goon

[deft sierra]

I actually do have a list of games that seem interesting that aren't on PCs... yet

• Crash Team Racing: Nitro Fueled (could probably emulate the Switch version if there's no other choice)
• Crash Team Rumble (that one surprised me given how close MS was to buying Activision at the time)
• Spica Adventure (though I suppose there's probably something that allows you to run the arcade version on PCs...)
• Astro Bot (that one probably never will hit PCs)

[deft sierra]

Also, fun fact: back when the game was codenamed "Project EVE", the devs actually hoped for a PC and Xbox release in addition to the PS5 release. Then Sony footed the bill for publishing, and... yeah

[deft sierra]

Any other multiplatform or exclusives that skipped the PC?

[silent nimbus]

Cuz I don’t have a pee ass five

[charred kite]

If Xbox users could read they would be really upset right about now

[lime crater]

Are you going to be able to buy, download and play native/exclusive Xbox games on this that aren't on gamepass

[charred kite]

No

It’s still a PC

[silent nimbus]

Exclusive Xbox games?

[fleet girder]

Will you be able to insert original Xbox and Xbox 360 discs into the handheld and play them?

[weary igloo]

no. it’s a PC. not an Xbox. also no disc drive

think Steam Deck but for Windows

[lime crater]

Games on Xbox but not on pc eg mlb the show ,college football .nhl games.

[kindred spindle]

Have they said that already?

I mean, it will likely be the case, the backwards compatibility program seems to be a rather niche thing for them

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-dazed-confused-and-driving-gif-23893260

[sage halo]

Felt it was said without needing to. Rog ally with an Xbox button and grips slapped on to it. Z2 Extreme chip on one of the variations but the rest is more or less what you already have in a rog ally now.

[lime crater]

So it's not really an xbox and doesn't add any functionality that isn't already there now with the apps.

[silent nimbus]

I feel like the big sell is the customized windows version

Handheld PCs are all pretty much the same otherwise

[blissful temple]

Yh but unless the lower ally is more cheaper

This is not going to sell as much

But the customized windows version more money to Microsoft if they get it right

[silent nimbus]

Microsoft doesn’t care about hardware sales anymore, it’s all about software

Hardware is just a potential loss leader

[blissful temple]

Yeopp

[silent nimbus]

Moreso now than ever

[blissful temple]

Software is more important the more they can make the console experience the more people can use gamepass and play anywhere feature

[silent nimbus]

I have a claw so I probably won’t be getting any Z2E device right at launch

[blissful temple]

I would wait for price for z2a I know it's modern steam deck apu but I want a cheeky look

[silent nimbus]

Yeah it’ll be interesting to see how that pans out

Hopefully not another Z2Go situation

[blissful temple]

I would not worry about that when it comes to asus and xbox

[charred kite]

It’s going to be worse lol

Z2G is running 12CU of RDNA2 and the A is running 8CU, the Z2G has 8 cores Zen3+ and the A has 4 Zen2

[ancient stag]

Z2go only has 4 cores

[charred kite]

I thought so too, but tell that to videocardz

But yeah I’m pretty sure they copied the 6800U specs directly whereas it is cutdown

[ancient stag]

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/handhelds/ryzen-z-series/z2-series/z2-go.html

[charred kite]

But even then, it’s still the same CPU cores at Zen3+ vs Zen2 and 4 more CUs of GPU

[silent nimbus]

Z2A is in a better position if only because it’s not the leading offer on a new device

[ancient stag]

Huh

[charred kite]

Well technically the Z1E was

The Z1A is a wasted release on anything that isn’t like 6”, 720p, and sub $450

The only thing I can suspect is that the Z1A Xbox Ally is going to be targeted as a streamer and emulator and will be priced south of 500

But even then it’s still got a 1080p panel, native gaming is not going to happen outside of sidescrollers and antiques

Oof… and it has a 20w TDP limit

Who is this thing for?

[ancient stag]

Yeah wasn’t disagreeing just pointing out

It’s basically a steam deck apu with 5 more watts but considerably more pixels to push

[ancient stag]

Streamer probably yes, pimping out Xbox cloud gaming. No corpo is advertising emulation though.

[charred kite]

Yeah I didn’t mean officially

[charred kite]

I know you weren’t. I was going off the videocardz table but felt it was wrong. Thanks for sending the right link

[sage halo]

Microsoft is pushing that anything can be an Xbox though, I think it's a terrible ad campaign, so technically it's an Xbox 😛

Opted to just pick up an MSI Claw 8 AI+ though. It's likely more expensive but I already own a 8840u device (GPD Win Mini) and wanted something with a bigger screen.

[silent nimbus]

MSI claw 8 Chad yes

Claw 8 is mighty fine already. Once that gaming optimized windows version drops it’s gonna be king

[charred kite]

As long as it supports Intel

[silent nimbus]

Why wouldn’t it

[charred kite]

AMD and Microsoft already work together and the vast majority of handhelds run AMD.

We don’t know to what extent the changes they are making to windows. There very well could be things that will need workarounds for intel in terms of driver support and input.

I get the feeling that this custom UX won’t be a free for all but will be a Microsoft/Xbox partner situation

[silent nimbus]

This seems to be more of a windows than a handheld thing though

We’ll have to wait and see

[sage halo]

Aww yus. Cannot wait.

Yeah. Figured it's more of an optimization to windows from an OS perspective than the chipset.

[silent nimbus]

Yeah it’s more so trimming the fat than something driver related

[tribal maple]

The kids don’t play on PlayStation though? Overwhelmingly it’s Switch, mobile and PC

[granite island]

Not 8 year olds 12 year olds

[deft sierra]

My co-workers are all PS, heh

[silent nimbus]

I probably won’t pick this up, will more likely get the Z2E MSI claw

[charred kite]

No 8”, no buy

[silent nimbus]

Not to mention MSI’s stellar speakers

[blissful temple]

https://x.com/shinobi602/status/1933207091675537586?t=GPQ4aum-ofOtaSbOaRS8Ug&s=33

Shinobi602 (@shinobi602)

Microsoft's own dedicated handheld is essentially canceled as the company focuses on Xbox's new software platform, according to The Verge (@tomwarren).

Next-gen Xbox still coming but hardware from PC makers like ASUS likely also be considered next-gen Xboxes.

#Xbox

X · Jun 12, 2025, 4:57 PM

[charred kite]

This makes a lot of sense

It might also point to the Xbox team making a breakthrough in emulation capability or legal stuff since that’s the main reason they needed to do a proper console

[tribal maple]

Interesting theory

[regal pond]

or alternatively they are in the process of giving up on Xbox as a console

[peak path]

It will be stronger than the Steamdeck but seeing as it’s the same architecture as the 6800U, they really need to improve the energy efficiency or else it will be only marginally better than steam deck at 15w-18w

[peak path]

How’s the weight and ergonomics? It seems exactly half way between ally x and legion go in both screen size and weight

[blissful temple]

It would 6w to 20w for z2a

[charred kite]

Are you certain? The Z2A and Deck SOC are both 4C Zen2 and 8CU Van Gogh RDNA2 GPUs. For all intents and purposes they are identical chips.

6800U & Z2G are Rembrandt Zen3+ with RDNA 2 12CU GPUs. One just has 8 cores and the other 4.

[silent nimbus]

It’s on the heavier side but I drink milk and eat my wheaties so it’s not a problem for me

[tidal agate]

I think z2a has a higher tdp limit of 20w so it might be able to do a little better than the deck apu

[silent nimbus]

How is it gonna fare at low TDP applications tho

Steam deck like APU means nothing if it can’t sip power

[blissful temple]

Better than how z1 extreme and z2 go

Low tdp

[silent nimbus]

I sure hope so

[tidal agate]

Hopefully the cpu portion will behave exactly like a deck at low tdp, at least if you install linux

[silent nimbus]

Or maybe windows Xbox edition will be magic

[tidal agate]

But valve also put a lot of work into minimizing wattage overhead from the screen, wireless chip, ssd, ram, etc

[silent nimbus]

This time next year ppl gonna be installing windows on their steam deck to get more performance

[tidal agate]

lol

[silent nimbus]

Mark my words

[tidal agate]

I think not loading the windows desktop will be a nice way to avoid your frontend getting interrupted by ads for office 365 and save a little ram but I’m not expecting much difference once you’re in game

[silent nimbus]

All MS needs to do now is get more games on the PC Xbox platform

[tidal agate]

I’m sure you’ll also be seeing ads for the latest gamepass releases even if you only want to use steam too

[silent nimbus]

More play anywhere games

[charred kite]

They’ve got like over 1k Anywhere games already

[blissful temple]

More gamepass

More money

[peak path]

Nvm I confused Z2A with Z2Go, I didn’t know Z2A existed

[deft sierra]

(Inb4 people ask for ports of the Crash spinoffs)

[silent nimbus]

1K really isn’t a lot in the grand scheme of things

Play anywhere or not the pc Xbox platform is missing a lot of the big hitters

[quasi rivet]

so you can install steam and play gog games on this right?

just hoping this can be my endgame handheld

[sage halo]

It's a portable PC with an Xbox button. So yeah.

[silent nimbus]

Yup

[warm belfry]

https://x.com/gaming_bo3gg/status/1933603425721131108?s=46&t=W6WfgknjfK4-AMAr6C71lA

Gaming.Bo3.gg (@Gaming_bo3gg)

Xbox ROG Ally Prices and Release Window Was Leaked

• ROG Ally White: €599 (~$691)

• ROG Ally X Black: €899 (~$1,037)

Pre orders will begin in August, official launch in October.

Source: eXtas1s

X · Jun 13, 2025, 7:12 PM

[silent nimbus]

Not bad

[sharp ingot]

I'll have to wait for the benchmarks but $700 for the lower tier seems terrible

$1000 for the higher end sku is about expected though

[silent nimbus]

Keep in mind those aren’t official prices just rumors

[sharp ingot]

Ik, but if they are that's pretty bad for the lower end

[silent nimbus]

Can’t all be the steam deck

[sharp ingot]

That's just bad even compared to other rog ally skus

[silent nimbus]

Original ally MSRPed for $700

So not really

[sharp ingot]

Rog ally x is only 100 more

$700 for a 4 core cpu 🥀

[silent nimbus]

[sharp ingot]

My opinion on that is pretty similar, at the very least it has oled though

[silent nimbus]

There’s give and take between both devices

Oled but 800p

1080p 120 but lcd

And VRR

Honestly I’d take 1080p 120hz VRR LCD over 800p OLED any day of the week

Oled is nice but not nice enough to make up for its low res, 90hz, no VRR

[sharp ingot]

Right, but even then $700 would make this somehow worse than the original ally in price to performance, but who knows, maybe the z2a has some tricks up it's sleeve

[sage halo]

For $1000 I'm glad I got the MSI Claw 8 AI, same price but with more ram and a beast of a chip. Hope those holding out for this end up enjoying, plenty of handhelds to choose from.

Edit: Regarding the Rog Ally Xbox X

[charred kite]

The only issue is the Deck APU cannot run pretty much anything at 1080p so you’ll always be running 720p in games and scaling sucks

It’s one of the few cases I’d rather have the Deck OLED panel over the 1080p VRR one

[sharp ingot]

Damn I just realized they increased the Ally X from $800 to $900

Tariffs really screwed over handheld pcs

[charred kite]

Yeah they went up by $100 last month

[silent nimbus]

AAA games sure, I’ve ran plenty of games at 1080p on an external monitor no problem

[silent nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

The 8 inch screen is truly something special

Plus speakers that make everything else sound bad by comparison

[charred kite]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1lbiy3m/new_xbox_handhelds_may_cost_599899_us_prices/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

This would make a much better price tag, I wonder if Microsoft will subsidize it to hit those numbers (if real)

[sharp ingot]

I could believe $500, but $800 for a z2e sounds too good to be true

[charred kite]

Yeah 100%

Unless Microsoft is subsidizing it which is very likely

Honestly even $499 for the base one seems a little far fetched considering it is a “2025” release

[blissful temple]

That would be nice

[blissful temple]

It would be fine because vrr 1080p and Windows tax

[granite island]

What's the point

Get people using windows

Next time they have no obligation to use windows because none of their games are tied to windows