Retroid Pocket Classic

[modest mantle]

being able to look up game guides, moves, etc. while playing/paused is pretty tight

[merry mango]

I’ll just use my phone….

[modest mantle]

or watch twitch/youtube while playing, etc. really a lot of usecases

could jsut use your phone to emulate games too XD

[summer marsh]

wow I checked out the video, that thing looks god awful

[merry mango]

Oh I could use the second screen for a cam girl….

[modest mantle]

hell yeah brotha

[late rock]

Yall don't see the vision

More for me

[modest mantle]

it's a proto, and in teenage basement lighting

so i'll wait til official info drops

[merry mango]

Or I mean alerts for a new retroid/anbernic device

[modest mantle]

now you're thinking

[summer marsh]

it looks like something 2ds/3ds fans will drool over but in practice be overpriced, poorly made and awful to use

[late rock]

We will see 💪

[modest mantle]

it'll just help me consoome while enjoying the consoomtion

[summer marsh]

I hope it's good for you sorry not trying to be a hater

[modest mantle]

nah, you're right to hate on it, but i still love the idea

[late rock]

Nah I get it, you'd have to really want dual screen emulation to justify getting this

[merry mango]

If anbernic is cooking something, they better reveal by Monday

[modest mantle]

haha, right?

gonna be empty pockets soon

[merry mango]

2 classics + flip2

[summer marsh]

that new magicx one that's coming soon looks way better imo even if it can't do 3ds. personally I think nds >>>>>>>> 3ds anyways so I'm happy

[late rock]

I also don't have a high end android handheld so I can kind of justify spending a bit more

[modest mantle]

i mean i'll just sell some stuff and still afford it, heh

you never really profit, you just roll your profits into more handhelds

[late rock]

Oh yeah for sure, I think this will be my one and done device, at least for a while

[modest mantle]

again, until something comes along with dual screens, it can do single or dual, so it checks a lot of boxes

[late rock]

Hey you doubt me but I only have two handhelds 🤷‍♂️

[merry mango]

Get a rog ally with second screen lol

[modest mantle]

downside it being bulkier, but i don't really mind bulk if it is capable

ok, well it's not THAT bulky

i could still fit it in a coat pocket

[late rock]

Pretty bad battery life, also the qc isn't great

[merry mango]

Steam deck with second screen?

[modest mantle]

wrong direction

[late rock]

I considered getting a portable monitor and attaching it to my legion go, but it's a bit too goofy even for me

[modest mantle]

i mean i would never take it in public

closest i got was a y700 vertical in a gamesir g8+

which was pretty awesome but

[late rock]

You'd have to assemble it every time you want to use it 🤣

[modest mantle]

i can respect pocket dmg + external tho

s865 in the classic would have maybe had that chance too, with video out

[summer marsh]

do any reviewers like RGC or Stubbs have the Flip2/Classic? IIRC some had them before preorders went live for the rp5 and mini

[modest mantle]

nope

[summer marsh]

damn

[modest mantle]

yeah, why i might just get 1 classic

way less of an investment

[summer marsh]

would have loved a pre-review, I am like 80% on pre-ordering a classic

[modest mantle]

def seems safer then the flip

[merry mango]

What’s stopping the rest of the 20%?

[modest mantle]

it's still a new formfactor for them

there's bound to be a kink

[summer marsh]

honestly just not knowing if linux will ever come to it haha

everything else looks golden

[merry mango]

What you need Linux on the classic for?

[summer marsh]

well I'm not here to start a debate but in my personal opinion linux OS is a better fit for both the form factor and the types of systems I'd play on this

just be a better fit

[modest mantle]

i'd love linux on everything to be honest

android can get janky

like just remapping buttons or other stuff

[summer marsh]

yep I prefer the simplicity of linux os especially for ps1 and under

[merry mango]

Oh like make it into a fancier rg35xx

[summer marsh]

once you play stuff like n64 it's worth dealing with android...sort of lol. I just like linux better

[merry mango]

Linux also has Lindbergh loader….

[summer marsh]

the options are just nice to have, especially after rp5/mini

[modest mantle]

it's why i picked up an odin 2, now that linux is being ported

[merry mango]

I can’t go back to not oled…

[modest mantle]

yeah, i haven't hit that point yet, maybe Classic will change me

[merry mango]

my monitor is oled. my tvs are oled. rp5 oled. then i just finished suikoden 1 remaster on my aya air

also oled

i recently turned on my rog ally and was like ew

and that was pretty good for non-oled

[summer marsh]

I don't mind it for my tiny magicx devices but yeah I'm mostly oled except for my macbook

imagine switch 2 doesn't have oled. big L for Nintendo

[merry mango]

im thinking it wont

[high hemlock]

Eh, if it makes it cheaper I totally don't mind it not being OLED at all, as long as the panel is good. I have used my own fair share of OLED screen (phones, TV, monitors) to know that I can go back to LCDs perfectly fine.

[tepid harbor]

But screens kinda a selling pint on this thing

[still musk]

Are they? The resolution is kinda wacky

[high hemlock]

Yeah, that's why I'm not too intrigued by this device. The only selling point is the OLED which I don't care much about.

[tepid harbor]

3+ and 5 by themselves didn’t have crazy qc issues tho

They just had weird shipping times

2+ also was largely unproblematic minus the really slow shipping

[late rock]

A well built vertical with a high resolution and decent power, I don't think there's anything like it at this price point tbh

[tepid harbor]

3 had some light bleed and famously bad development but its qc was okay

[still musk]

They should have made 2 configurations for the Classic. Weaker CPU w/ no sticks. And a better CPU with Sticks.

[high hemlock]

If it has sticks, yeah, maybe. But without sticks, I would much rather buy Brick instead. Without sticks I wouldn't be playing anything past PS1 on it anyway.

[ashen vault]

well i didn't say that, just launch issues or ''rocky releases'' as rgc said

[high hemlock]

And I am not so sure about the "well-built" part just yet.

[late rock]

I dont really see why it wouldn't be

The rp mini stuff was a one off, this screen is a known quantity

[tepid harbor]

Ohhh

[candid jasper]

It'll be well built in that it'll have a good quality and feel to it mostly likely

[tepid harbor]

I thought u meant primarily launch issues

[high hemlock]

My RP2+ had a hardware issue that they never solved for me, and my RP4P also suffered from the trigger issues and the horrible screen tint and vsync issues.

[tepid harbor]

Yea idk it prolly won’t be for u

[high hemlock]

Honestly I don't really trust Retroid too much now.

[tepid harbor]

It prolly will have better battery and thermals than a trimui brick

But like

Brick is half the price and way more pocketable

[late rock]

Eh the brick was kind of a hassle to fit in my pocket

[tepid harbor]

I thought it was pocketable as hell

[late rock]

Not because of the size, but the shoulder buttons and back

[tepid harbor]

The shapes a little sharp tho

[late rock]

The shoulder buttons also fell off sometimes

[tepid harbor]

Yea

[tepid harbor]

The screen tint and vsync was fixed tho

[late rock]

This is bigger but it's flatter too so I think it'll fit better

[tepid harbor]

But for the triggers u had to ask retroid to send u a new backplate and learn to open it up

Lowkey sucked for early adopters cuz it was guaranteed to break at a point and u had to ask retroid

It was free no delivery and they sent a kit which helped

But yea

2+ also had retroid promise android 11 for a year and they waited until almost the 3+ coming out for them to drop

[high hemlock]

It was kind of fixed for the most part, yeah, but still kind of subpar when compared to other screens in the same price range, since they can't completely get rid of hardware issues with a software update. And it was apparently kind of a lottery too, with some people having it worse than others. It was crazy seeing that the screen on my RP2+ was much more comfortable to look at.

[tepid harbor]

4 pro screen also added extra input lag after they fixed vsync

It was Odin 2 bad

I think it’s a great screen minus the bad ghosting tho

But oled really beats it

[high hemlock]

OLED or not, I just wanted an RP4P with a good quality screen 🥺

[tepid harbor]

Rp5 babyyyy

[high hemlock]

Nah, I hate the RP5 and RPM design, especially the RPM with the fake "bezeless" look. I think it's a huge step backwards from the RP4 design.

You can put the latest gaming Snapdragon in there and slap a 4k OLED on it and sell it for $200 and I still wouldn't buy it.

[tepid harbor]

Damn

Maybe flip 2?!?

The all glass screen got enough complaints to probably have another next model look more retro and less Ayaneo-esque

[high hemlock]

Well the Flip 2 might be kinda intriguing if I were interested in clamshells.

[tepid harbor]

Clamshells are pretty peak tho

It makes it pocketable and sturdy as long as the hinge works

[high hemlock]

If the hinge works...yeah

[tepid harbor]

You’ll find out in a few months

Rg35xxsp and v90 hinges were good

Miyoo flip and retroid flip not so much

But once retroid reinforced it there weren’t any hinge problems

So we’ll see if they learned

[late rock]

The rp5 is just beautiful though, I don't own one but I when I see videos of it it almost looks like the screen was edited

[high hemlock]

But they weren't even able to catch the color mixup of the orange Mini. Wouldn't expect them to be able to properly QC a hinge mechanism.

[late rock]

I mean duds happen in manufacturing

[tepid harbor]

Also powkiddy has like a 10% hit rate on their products so if they can get a hinge to work

Retroid who lost a ton of money from their first hinge probably will try to make it better

ESP if they advertised how its a better enforced hinge

[candid jasper]

Yeah retroid coming back to a hinge makes me feel confident in the hinge

[late rock]

Didn't they also revise the hinge on the original flip as well?

[tepid harbor]

This is according to Chris so it might not of been the most definitively accurate source but the rp flip was much much harder to engineer than the flip 2 which is more streamlined

Yea they did, revised hinge worked fine

[late rock]

I think they have enough experience at this point

[tepid harbor]

They’re doing the 3ds hinge design

And apparently they went to a factory that opens and closes hinges like 250,000 times for testing

[late rock]

That's kind of funny to imagine

[tepid harbor]

And this design can go up to 180 degrees unlike the original so there’s probably just a lot less points of failure

If flip 2 gets qc issues I don’t think it’ll be the hinge it’ll be some random bullshit

But this is literally just the rp5 in a flip form factor with every single same part and software

Hard to see how they’ll fuck it up but that’s the fun of it

[late rock]

We know the screen shouldn't have any issues, so maybe some issues with the buttons

[tepid harbor]

They got a lot of critique for the rp mini buttons

I hope they make it like the 4 pros membranes

4 pro buttons are best retroid buttons id say

Retroids always weirdly bad with good face buttons

[high hemlock]

Either way I'm not blindly trusting their quality anymore given their previous issues.

[tepid harbor]

Why can’t they just use the same membranes as the miyoo mini

[late rock]

I'd still trust them more than other companies

At least they actually communicate

[tepid harbor]

I trust retroid more than anbernic/powkiddy/miyoo/Ayaneo but not as much as like… valve

And that’s a big gap in trust for me because valve always is my goat

[late rock]

In the retro handheld space I mean

[tepid harbor]

The anbernics I got were mostly good

But rg405m had so many issues despite me loving it

And that’s with me having gammaos to solve the basic issues

The broken trigger buttons were so cringe

[high hemlock]

I guess it just hits different when I only had 2 products from Retroid and both of them had glaring issues.

[tepid harbor]

Yea

2+ is old and outdated as hell despite being really good for the time

4 pro is by far the most problematic retroid handheld besides the flip 1

Mini was more controversial but the device was still overall very good if you don’t care about shaders or the screen size

I never really liked the 4 pro lol

It was so uncomfortable to use despite not having the weird ass side buttons that the rp3+ did

And its input lag and ghosting was getting on my nerves

And it’s high end battery life was pretty bad if you wanted to run something like god of war

Rp5 and mini fixed these issues although the bad stick placements that weren’t inset did ruin its ergos for the 5 a bit for me but I just need that device but smaller

[high hemlock]

If they had just put the RP5 hardware inside the RP4 shell I would be back to licking Retroid's boots right now.

That RP5 and RPM design...ugh...

[tepid harbor]

Odin 2

[high hemlock]

I'm actually considering an Odin 2 now. It's amazing how it's still the best valued device so far with an SD8g2 for $300 and there still doesn't seem to be anything close in the horizon.

[modest mantle]

OLED so pretty tho. And I say that as an Odin 2 owner

[glacial bison]

I ordered one 12 days ago and it still hasn't shipped so may be better to wait for a portal

[tepid harbor]

Odin 2 is very nice for the price

[summer marsh]

One benefit of not going with the Saturn model due to the SoC is going with a model that has black bezels. makes the bezels look smaller and looks better with black content

[ornate sail]

List of arcade games that play with more than 4 buttons : http://adb.arcadeitalia.net/?search=mame&clone=0&input_buttons_from=5&input_buttons_to=6

So one knows what he misses buying the 4 buttons instead of 6. Plus Saturn games though probably not emulated accurately anyway due to the SOC.

[pseudo dove]

You do still have 6 buttons though in the 4

[night crag]

now to decide, wait for this for a flagship phone or a rpc

[turbid haven]

i love both odin 2 and portal but i do prefer the portal

[ornate sail]

Deeply sorry, I should have told 6 face buttons. And perhaps also mention that I don't consider start/select as actual buttons.

[pseudo dove]

Wonder when they will release the chip details

[distant widget]

17th, probably some new/refreshed chip from Qualcomm. Maybe announced by Qualcomm together with the new chip to be used in pocket S2.

[lucid bone]

Yeah, it's likely that the Classic will use a new yet to be announced chip, which is why they still keep it a mystery

[delicate ermine]

SD G1 Gen 1 it is, probably

[distant widget]

more likely a g1 gen 2, even if its just a minor refresh of the gen 1. no sense keeping embargo on something that announced more than a year ago even if nothing actually uses it. Even if just to "save face" they will give it a new name

[surreal gyro]

They keep it a mystery because they have to. It's under embargo until the 17th. They don't have a choice lol

[twin shale]

Realistically it could be all someone needs. Like most people outside of these enthusiast spaces likely don't need more lol

[brittle tiger]

There’s the Mini Coupon.

[surreal gyro]

Where's the coupon for the 30 off if you buy the combo? 🤔

[delicate ermine]

probably like with the old RP5+Mini Combo, you just select it on the store page?

[surreal gyro]

Ah I didn't do the combo. But was guessing, logically, if you need a coupon for the others you'd need one for the combo. Figured I'd ask 🍻

[novel crane]

RETROID

GIVE ME IRL PICTURES

AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[delicate ermine]

Well, they better have the combo deal on when this goes live or I ain't buying

[novel crane]

Joking aside, i wanna see what the long bois look like

[surreal gyro]

I'm honestly shocked they released real pics of the flip 😅

[dim thorn]

Can't use search anymore so i'll ask what was probably answered 38263 times already: is the screen on this oled + touchscreen?

[novel crane]

Yes

[dim thorn]

can't believe this is how most people use the Internet

[ashen vault]

Someone wants to start a petition to place the headphone jack on the bottom

[surreal gyro]

That's awful

[nova skiff]

why did they do that

[surreal gyro]

Because everyone wants to hear your game 🤔

[surreal gyro]

Same thought I had on devices with the charging port on top. 😵

[nova skiff]

I don't mind that for horizontal handhelds but it seems off for vertical handhelds

[summer marsh]

Am I dumb for hoping it will run beetle Saturn well

[nova skiff]

one would hope since the first pocket s could lol

[ornate sail]

That would be great. And it would make easier my choice between 6 face buttons and black bezels.

[void mortar]

At the very least, if needbe, there's Yabasanshiro for the most demanding of Saturn games.
Idk if this will run every single Saturn game well enough on Beetle, but would certainly be cool

[tulip drift]

So what exactly is the appeal of a new vertical handheld coming out? I like the color of the green one, but I can't find any justification for any new device like this. There's not really any upgrade path from the RG35xxSP that I have. It already does all the systems you can do with those buttons.

[nova skiff]

vertical is my least favorite form factor as well but I still see the appeal in this

[summer fjord]

The Classic is gonna have a much better screen. 1080p and AMOLED

[late rock]

This like twice the resolution and oled

[nova skiff]

yeah what they said lol

add in performance overhead for more accurate emulators and heavy shaders

[tulip drift]

Does the resolution matter? Does the 1080 scale better for integer scaling?

[analog thunder]

It's better if you need to not integer scale something and provides more room for filters and it's OLED and people like the more square-y aspect ratio and it has Retroid's phantastic d-pad

Not saying you need to buy it - I'm not gonna buy one - but yeah there's an appeal to it

[steady mortar]

Okay we confirmed it's doesn't have no video output

[summer fjord]

Basically buy this if you were considering a TrimUI Brick

[late rock]

We need a solid black color

It would go so well with the oled

[distant widget]

OLED aside, the screen in the 406v/h is better for most systems compared to this?

[novel crane]

Mainly a stronger vertical that can play those systems more accurately with better battery life, a better screen, and more power for systems like Saturn and Dreamcast

[late rock]

It might even be able to play platformers from gc and ps2

[lunar pecan]

bakugan ps2 rahhhhh

[steady mortar]

Yes but without video output we cooked unless you cast it or use some adapter to connect to the tv

[late rock]

Yeah that's a big miss

That's a pretty big utility loss

[steady mortar]

Man it would be nice this is only device in retroid history to not have video output

[late rock]

I wonder if the chips just don't support it

[summer fjord]

Is it confirmed that it won't have video output?

[feral jay]

Wait...what is that? That's so clever...

[steady mortar]

Apparently it's the chip

[wild beacon]

sure sounds like a brand new chip

[distant widget]

Means probably no Linux if the g3x gen 2 is any indicator, and maybe possible driver issue at least initially

[full vortex]

Oled is the screen, how can you say oled aside

[wild beacon]

those are safe bets

[steady mortar]

It's not g3x gen 2 remember it's 4 gen 2 but overclocked which probably meaning g1 gen1

[distant widget]

Doesn't really make a difference to the probability of Linux if it's g1 gen 1 (I personally think it will be g1 gen 2), you can also call the g3x gen 2 as a 8 gen 2 with super high clocked GPU as well.
I think someone mentioned previously the 4 gen 2 's Linux support progress isn't great, this g1 gen 1/2 will be even more obscure if it's a "custom gaming" variant of it.

[analog thunder]

Driver issue? Dang, I guess it's not gonna be very good for racing games, then

[steady mortar]

Oh 👀

This is dark

[merry mango]

have we confirmed mono sound?

[steady mortar]

That's not good

[summer marsh]

No Linux on this will be a travesty

[nova skiff]

disappointing but not the end of the world to me

the big picture is linux on retroids is still the exception and not the norm

[surreal gyro]

Have you not seen the pics? Lol

[night crag]

gamesir teased it at ces

[merry mango]

yeah, i still holding on hope.....

[surreal gyro]

For what? The shell is done lol

They aren't resigning it

[frank grove]

Will the classic be touchscreen?

[surreal gyro]

Yes

[frank plinth]

Weird question, and off topic... Do they make video players with filters...

I really want to load this with some old TV shows and watch with a CRT filter on

[frank grove]

Will n64 and dreamcast be playable since theres no stick?

[surreal gyro]

Playable, yes. Enjoyable? Probably not

Why do people always want to play shit on a device not optimal for it? Get a device with sticks if you want to play a system that uses sticks. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[late rock]

The six button version should have had a stick tbh

It's in a weird spot where it's not quite powerful enough for good saturn, but also lacking in controls for good n64

[nova skiff]

I'm more optimistic on saturn performance than most peeps here are

but yeah I would've liked an analog stick or slider. n64 aside there are some saturn games that would benefit from it

[delicate ermine]

with the power this has a slider would have been added value for people, tho they didn't even include a HDMI port...

[late rock]

Chip limitation I guess

[nova skiff]

I'm still looking forward to this but man if these little things aren't adding up...

[delicate ermine]

chip limitation is usually video out via USB-C, but adding in a HDMI port works with the most garbage stuff out there, so it's kinda disappointing this doesn't has one

[merry mango]

im telling you guys, its a cps machine. a lot of saturn games were ports of cps games, so theres that part of saturn lol

[frank grove]

The ayaneo is over $400, not many other verticals with such a nice screen

[steady mortar]

Very disappointing

[pseudo dove]

Weird they didn’t give it the Saturn dpad too then

[late rock]

Probably just gonna be a platformer machine for me

I prefer the 4 button colors, but I almost want to get the 6 button one for the novelty

[eager rain]

well yes, but also kinda no - the way hdmi output was hacked together in t618 devices (another chip that doesn't support two video streams) was an extra chip that all it was doing was hijacking the dsi signal meant for the internal display and sending it to hdmi instead - which caused issues with the rp2s because the dsi signal is 4:3.

if they pulled that trick with this you'd be outputting hdmi in 8:7 (or 31:27 or whatever the hell)

basically proper external display support vs crude hdmi screen mirroring

[delicate ermine]

better than nothing

[eager rain]

depends on the cost. Personally I'm never gonna use it and I think people would just complain about it being shit

[merry mango]

i have 3 verticals but no 6 button. well no 6 button handheld at all

[nova skiff]

now tbf, this is a case where I'd rather retroid stick to what they know

they know their dpads

[merry mango]

im not enjoying the rp5 dpad for sf3 as much as id like to

[delicate ermine]

yeah I don't need it either tbh, never really used any of the HDMI options with those devices, but still kinda baffling how they cut the option here

[merry mango]

not sure if thats cause im touching the stick

[late rock]

There's not many six button handhelds, so I think I'm probably going to get that sku. I'll probably control map the extra buttons into something

[surreal gyro]

So you'd rather have a nice screen than be able to properly play something? Got it

[late rock]

I mean

[surreal gyro]

Can't play it. But looks so good 🤣

[late rock]

A nice screen doesn't hurt

[surreal gyro]

Hurts when you don't have proper controls

[merry mango]

https://tenor.com/view/why-dont-we-have-both-both-celebrate-happy-gif-4997058

[nova skiff]

reel it back a bit 😆 I'm sure that's not what they meant

[surreal gyro]

It was a genuine question though. People always want to play things on a device not optimal when there are 30 other devices that would work better 🤷🏻‍♂️

[glass orbit]

it looks like the usb-c port is on the top so that would make for an interesting docking experience with the retroid dock

but yeah they chose a SoC that can't do it anyway

[late rock]

There's not many options for a vertical handheld with dual analog sticks and a great screen

[surreal gyro]

And that lol

[nocturne gazelle]

given the price and the odd choice of IO placement it was probably just cheaper from a pcb manufacturing point to have all the IO one one edge

[frank grove]

I mean I play Vice City on the brick through portmaster and it plays just fine

Dont know if that constitues "properly"

[surreal gyro]

I don't count portmaster. Speaking of actual consoles. PS1 is the most that makes sense with no sticks.

[glass orbit]

i'd say it just depends on the game even for ps1

[glass orbit]

i mean there are switch games that play fine with d-pad (think 2d platformers / metroidvanias)

[late rock]

There's a lot of indies that could probably be played on this thing I imagine

[heavy wren]

🤦‍♂️

This is a retro machine

It’s obviously not meant to play n64 + even thought it’s totally capable

[delicate ermine]

snaps a mobile controller onto it you said something?

[heavy wren]

The power & screen is mainly catered toward those trying to achieve a high upscale or tons filter capability… buuuuuttt it’s just as easy to pair a controller 🫣

[late rock]

N64 is definitely retro

[frank grove]

Whats the point of making it so powerful then to just play gameboy?

[heavy wren]

To upscale and use filters

If you have not used either methods before, it takes a lot of power to upscale & run filters

Anything under 4 gb ram causes slow downs and especially heating

Even on early console emulation like snes

If this is not your piece of cake, they made the flip 2 for y’all🤷‍♂️

[wintry pecan]

People discount upscaling as free a lot, but that's only 2x or so
Because basically what's happening is the device renders the game at native and then does all the pixel math to make it bigger, it does this each time you increase the resolution, not just once, so 4x is 4,x the math

Shaders on top is even more

[heavy wren]

☝️☝️☝️

This here is why there is a need for the Power

Also the classic & flip are up on the retroid site as sold out did i miss sum😭

[wintry pecan]

Yes

You didn't read the announcement properly

Listing is up but as sold out till it opens

[summer fjord]

Can't really blame the guy if mods don't pin the announcement

[nocturne gazelle]

... it is the top pin

[summer fjord]

I was referring to the announcement that explains why the devices show up as sold out

[wintry pecan]

Your still wrong

[nocturne gazelle]

what announcement thats just people not understanding things

Their annoucement with pricing clearly states date preorder go live and at which time

[full vortex]

Yeah I thought it was cus mods aren’t pinning

[frank grove]

To each their own, but to me its such a funny concept to put a filter on that makes the game look worse

Again, to each their own

[gusty socket]

Every retroid release people always see the “sold out” on the website before pre orders have even started and complain on discord. It’s a part of the release cycle now

[heavy wren]

Godly marketing strat

I’m literally itching for it now

[ornate sail]

The screen for instance. And the 6 face buttons for some. I have a brick and I find it a bit too small for my hands and eyes. So this Classic could perhaps replace it. If it does Saturn accurately, that would also be great. And the touch screen will make it easier to play ScummVM games. That’s for me. It perhaps has somerthing more for other people.

Ah and also : the Brick screen is a poor IPS one. AMOLED is something !

[merry mango]

brick-too smol
rg40v-feels and looks cheap (imo), lcd
classic-just right?

[tight escarp]

Brick has a poor IPS? Brick has a gorgeous IPS, everything looks super sharp.

[merry mango]

its just itty bitty lol

[tight escarp]

After lack of video out, weird button placements, weird port placements, the Brick is my classic, cause there's not enough for me to gain from the classic besides the screen and I have plenty of nice screens lol

[heavy wren]

And just not powerful enough to run shaders & upscale (gets really hot)

I luv my brick but it will get put down once the classic arrives

[late rock]

Do you guys actually dock your handhelds

[heavy wren]

Same format + more screen + better screen + more power + better OS

[tight escarp]

It does get hot, can't deny that. But it's performed pretty well for me.

[merry mango]

it hurts my hands

[tight escarp]

If I want anything above ps1, I'll just pick up my rp5, ally, etc.

[heavy wren]

☝️Type shit

[junior fox]

Sorry to all the people who missed out on the drop

you almost had it

[tight escarp]

The port location was my final straw, after the awkward button layout choice (everything based on the six button, width of device, menu, start, select locations, etc. etc. Too many weird choices, including no video out due to the chip. Meh.

I get more versatility and pocketability out of my anbernic devices. I wouldn't be putting the classic in my pocket, so there's really no difference between the classic and my larger handhelds that can play anything.

[late rock]

Yeah I wish retroid would've put more stock up, kind of disappointed

[junior fox]

bit of a bummer to those who missed out, but it's just like they say

I never sleep, 'cause sleep is the cousin of death

death, in this case, meaning to miss out on sick ass handhelds, of course

[late rock]

Shadergate has affected us all 😞

[gaunt cargo]

RH link if you want to support when ordering.

https://rh-go.link/Retroid-Pocket-Classic

PS: It shows sold out currently, but that's just until the Monday 6:30pm PST launch

[novel crane]

Tbh, The only major issue I have with the Classic is the headphone jack

It should be on the bottom

[scarlet meadow]

Still wish it had at least 1 slider or stick. Going to wait for reviews to see how it all plays out

[rough depot]

I understand why you feel this way, but it’s so much nicer to have it on top so you don’t need to worry about resting it on something while you play

But honestly wired headphones are just kinda inconvenient wherever they plug in

Because on top has its own issues

[novel crane]

I call it a major issues, but it's more of a inconvenience. The charging port and SD card slot are fine

[merry mango]

would it be too much to ask for a turbo function on these retro handhelds, like an 8bitdo controller?

[sage silo]

At least when it comes to emulation, you can typically configure that in the emulator

[merry mango]

its just not the same....

[sage silo]

It offers more options in software

[merry mango]

actually can you assign a hotkey?

that could be fine, since i would already have the 6 face buttons

[nova skiff]

retroarch has a hotkey for that

[merry mango]

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-e-honda-honda-chun-li-button-mashing-gif-16732688

[last badge]

Active cooling is abit redundant on a lower mid range chip like a 4 gen 2

Especially a power efficient one (samsung take notes)

[last badge]

Unless it's on samsung litho

[delicate ermine]

it is, but there would have been complaints without it

[merry mango]

they should have the fan in the front, to cool me down during intense gaming

[nova skiff]

if it's not needed who would complain?

[nova skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753327773095034930/859506899949715506/Screen_Shot_2021-06-29_at_1.51.50_PM.png

one of the famiclones of all time

[wild beacon]

somebody should make a good one of these

maybe we should ask MagicX

[nova skiff]

I need magicx to release everything they have planned first before they even think about this 😆

[ebon forum]

i need magicx to release

anything

the other thing i was waiting for is here

and its disappointing

so the super sp will save me!

[knotty thunder]

What, you don't like the wire either dangling in front of the screen, or behind the device and getting tangled in your fingers on the shoulder buttons?

[ashen vault]

no

[knotty thunder]

I really hope your profile pic doesn't awaken something in me

[ashen vault]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-confused-jimmy-butler-confused-eye-squint-gif-12144635464811342257

[brittle tiger]

Eh, I prefer it on top, although I’ve got headphones where the headphone plug bends at a 90 degree angle, so that might be something to do with it.

Charging port is a little annoying though, considering it also retroactively killed the whole “grip with sticks that plug into the bottom usb-c port” idea.

[ashen vault]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-annoyed-throw-hat-boo-this-man-gif-12390445

[brittle tiger]

When you have the right angle plug, the port being on top is the exact thing that stops it from ruining your grip or making it uncomfortable.

[eager rain]

what makes you think the top usb port even works as an OTG port

[modest mantle]

One of them is

If that's the only one it's gotta be that

[eager rain]

oh this does actually have two?

I thought it only had one usb port for some reason

[brittle tiger]

This is obviously different with horizontal handhelds, where the headphone jack works for the bottom when it’s towards the middle, nowhere near the controls.

[brittle tiger]

Note that headphone jack does not bend at a 90 degree angle.

[eager rain]

hilariously enough I think every commercial first party vertical put the headphone jack on bottom

[brittle tiger]

Also, pretty much most Android devices, including the really older chipsets, come with otg support, you’d literally have to design it purposely without the data pins connected properly for otg to not work.

[modest mantle]

On the bottom def makes more sense

[brittle tiger]

For what reason?

[modest mantle]

Dunno how people hold their stuff but I'm never really cupping the bottom of a vert

Case then you don't have the cable dangling over the screen. Or behind your hands. Etc.

It gets it out of the way

[brittle tiger]

Unless you meant the usb-c port, then yeah it’s fine.

[modest mantle]

Which is kind of the point

Meant the audio jack. On the top is weird

Even cell phones never did this

Ports on the top means the cord be wippin. It's just silly

[brittle tiger]

For what reason would you have it going over the screen, and what about the thing being over the hands would be bad?

[modest mantle]

Cause you like gold it upright and gravity

[late rock]

The cord would definitely start to get in the way of the screen

[modest mantle]

If you held it upside down I'd see your point

[brittle tiger]

How roughly are you roughly swinging handheld where the cord would whip?

[modest mantle]

Or you'll just have to adjust it every time

Like this ain't rocket science. it's basically physics. Heh

[late rock]

That's one of the most annoying parts of the Legion Go too, have to readjust it every once in a while

[brittle tiger]

You literally just loop it behind.

[late rock]

Doesnt work all of the time

[modest mantle]

Gravity pulls things down. So every time you plug in headphones your moving the cord behind the device, where the shoulder buttons are

[brittle tiger]

It should not be phasing through your arm or the device.

[late rock]

That only really works if you stay completely stationary

[modest mantle]

Ok. I need a pic of your perfect cord placement

[brittle tiger]

Again, that’s not how that works.

[modest mantle]

You must have a novel way none of us have discovered

[eager rain]

either you have the cable dangling and brushing against your hands every time you move (distracting) and straining the cable if you don't buy a 90 degree one, or you just plug in to the bottom and everything is perfect.

[late rock]

How is that not how it works

[eager rain]

headphone jack on bottom also makes more sense from an internals perspective because it's right next to the speaker - no clue why you'd be routing analog audio signals way up to the top of the device in the first place

[modest mantle]

Perfect is too easy

I need a challenge

[late rock]

There's always some just odd design decision on these handhelds for some reason

Not a deal breaker but just mildly annoying

[simple wyvern]

But if plugs are in the bottom You can’t rest the console on your chest/lap as you play 😦

[modest mantle]

It's def just how they designed the board

And once that's done, there's no going back

[late rock]

People rest their handhelds on their chest?

That sounds very uncomfortable

[modest mantle]

The day I need to rest this massive honking 50lb vertical on my lap is the day I won't see that sweet sweet OLED

[brittle tiger]

It’s called this but as the actual plug for the headphones. And the main thing is that it sucks for vertical handhelds since it basically sticks out enough so that any grip that goes low enough will have the pinky’s pushing on it or just bumping into it.

[modest mantle]

I mean that'd also work on your lap too

I dunno. I fail to think 30 decades of electronics design and Retroid was the first to get it right. Lol

[brittle tiger]

How does the cord, assuming you already have it plugged in and you’re headphones on, somehow go from being behind the device to in front of it, when your arms are already holding each side of the handheld and effectively making a loop that the headphones thread through?

[modest mantle]

Def hurt your neck after a bit

[late rock]

I mean maybe it's different in real life but I still can envision one wrong movement getting the cord in the way

[simple wyvern]

No one plays while lying down? Lol

[brittle tiger]

No, but the only handhelds where it was fine for me was the DMG since it’s a beefy enough boy that my grip never could reach the bottom to begin with.

[modest mantle]

This is like a weird thing apple introduced because it had that honking ass connector on the bottom

[brittle tiger]

This in particular sucks with bottom headphones in general, but not as much with the right angle.

[modest mantle]

I mean I play reclined

Laying down just sounds uncomfortable

I play laying down on my side

[late rock]

Again, because while it might work for a time, I'm not going to be completely stationary, if I have to adjust or anything the cord will probably move, because it's a cord

It's not like I'm tying a knot here

[modest mantle]

If you never move, neither does the cable. Valid

[modest mantle]

But yes. The cord on top. Will dangle. Will hit your fingers on the back. And you'll have to move it every time you pull it out of your pocket

That's just physics

It's the way gravity works

[brittle tiger]

So then you move it back. If you’re already one handing something as heavy as a legion go to grab something, moving the cord isn’t going to interrupt a game.

[simple wyvern]

I might be weak af, but holding any phone in the air for a while starts to get tiring so I support it on me lol

[modest mantle]

Might as well tell us the earth is flat

If you can manage it and don't mind. That's cool

But arguing that it's the best design choice is wild

[late rock]

I guess? That's what I was saying earlier it's just mildly annoying, not the worst thing in the world.

[modest mantle]

I guess I'd have my elbows down to support the weight. Like in the pic

I don't think I'd ever be extending it out in front of me

[brittle tiger]

I wasn’t arguing that at all, I was saying I’m fine with it cause it works better for my headphones.

[wintry pecan]

do you guys not have a hook hanging from the ceiling to support your headphone wires?

[late rock]

I usually just duct tape them

[modest mantle]

Ok. That's a valid point

[brittle tiger]

It’s the only point I was arguing, that’s why I was focusing so much on the right angle plug.

If you guys use headphones that have a regular plug, no shit you’d find it annoying. That I get.

[late rock]

Regardless, I think I might turn this into my daily carry mp3 player/emulator

[brittle tiger]

The reason why I use a right angle plug is because it’s flat out the only type of plug that my favorite headphones use.

[junior fox]

Wireless headphones are a thing

[late rock]

Boo

[modest mantle]

I mean I'll use wireless 100%

[brittle tiger]

No they aren’t. They do not exist.

There are no wireless headphones in Ba Sing Se.

[late rock]

I'm fine with wireless headphones but I can't trust myself not to lose earbuds

[modest mantle]

Audiophile is a word I can't define

As long as it's not crackling I'm happy

[late rock]

Same I don't go too deep into it, just got myself a cheap pair of iems and I'm happy with those

[brittle tiger]

With me I just dipped into the audiophile spaces to find a set of cheap headphones that have really good speakers for the price (at the cost of cheaper plastics and earcushions, but the earcushions you can just replace).

[candid jasper]

I'm on team all ports top. Handhelds end up on my stomach too often for bottom ports and right angle adapters are meh

[surreal gyro]

I had one of those, wish I still did, too damn expensive to purchase again now. Was such an amazing handheld

[dense tangle]

Does the classic have Bluetooth?

[brittle tiger]

Well, at least most handhelds nowadays can play the games it played.

[junior fox]

It does have BT, yep

[surreal gyro]

Very true, I wish the NA market had appreciated NEC more. Might have had more from it. So underrated

[brittle tiger]

Yup. In all seriousness Bluetooth headphones should work fine, I just prefer wired for the latency.

[surreal gyro]

And for one less damn thing to charge lol

[late rock]

For real, wireless earbuds have terrible battery life

[brittle tiger]

I know good wireless headphones shouldn’t have that being as much of an issue, but god the good ones just get insanely expensive.

[brittle tiger]

That too. I really wish the wireless earbuds at least had an option to plug into devices wired to both charge them and do wired audio.

[ashen vault]

Lmao you guys are still arguing

[late rock]

Nah just discussing

[ashen vault]

Of course

My bad

[modest mantle]

Yeah. BT is fine for me

[brittle tiger]

We stopped arguing about the port and are now just talking about wireless headphones and earbuds.

[modest mantle]

Glad it at least has that

Id say for controllers. But no video out

[brittle tiger]

Mainly after I added elaboration on the fact that I was saying I specifically prefer it for my particular headphone’s plug.

[ashen vault]

Realistically having the msrp lower without video out is the better decision

[modest mantle]

At least it has one

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, at least it has a headphone jack, unlike another recent stickless handheld.

[modest mantle]

Id take a more powerful chip and pay slightly more for it. And then it would just come with it. But yeah

[ashen vault]

Seeing how this is 114-124 for pre orders I feel like retroid cut all the right corner

[modest mantle]

Like id take video out over usbc

[brittle tiger]

Did David confirm that it didn’t have video out and that it wasn’t just hidden due to the chipset being embargo’ed?

[ashen vault]

And then people would also pay slightly more for a slider or for a volume wheel

You gotta find the perfect sweet spot

[modest mantle]

I mean shit chips can do video out. So they just picked something weird (imo)

[ashen vault]

Where this will be bought by as many people as possible

[late rock]

Seems to be a lot of new specialized snapdragon chips in these next handhelds

[ashen vault]

I feel like classic + flip is such a better bundle deal than the mini + rp5

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, that’s for sure.

Nice to see them branching out.

[modest mantle]

I hope it gets us something

[ashen vault]

They better get Linux support asap

[modest mantle]

Def a risk of being Guinea pigs

You know they didn't test them like a phone Manu would

[brittle tiger]

The fact we can actually mess with the GPU and some of the drivers already gives us a better head start on that than it does with stuff like Unisoc.

[brittle tiger]

Of course, having official Linux support would in turn be even better.

[modest mantle]

But yeah. At least it's a snapdragon for driver support

[ashen vault]

Yeah I’m glad we’re moving away from anything Mali

[merry mango]

Why mali don’t get drivers?

[simple robin]

Delay for certain color. Then that color was nothing like the render. 2s had couple problems

[brittle tiger]

Because Mali is a miserable pile of secrets.

[merry mango]

Damn humans

[ashen vault]

I guess retroid never beats the no QC allegations

Their reliability solely relies on how good their manufacturing process is

[brittle tiger]

…Are you sure you’re not just talking about the white RP3?

[ashen vault]

Yeah which color was it btw

[simple robin]

GREEN took 6 weeks

[modest mantle]

I mean. Could be any of their devices. At least the RP5's haven't started catching fire

[simple robin]

Yeah I am sure

[modest mantle]

They're just one of the best in a sea of moderate to low QC

[brittle tiger]

Like it was in an in-between state for going from pure white to smoker yellow.

It was still mostly white, but you could see the yellow tint.

[modest mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/so-hot-the-things-they-do-fuck-damn-leonardo-dicaprio-gif-5195946

[simple robin]

We all know that before ordering

[modest mantle]

You think we'll see physical examples?

[ashen vault]

That’s annoy me

But luckily I always avoid white

[brittle tiger]

True, but of course we still know to be careful with pre-ordering stuff.

At least with me, I the only reason why I can’t complain about literally all my Anbernic devices having annoying issues is because I literally only ever buy the budget stuff now (with the RG Cube being the last expensive Anbernic handheld I ever bought because fuck dealing with that shit at $160).

[brittle tiger]

I swear, I don’t understand why it’s so much easier, even for me, to give a handheld a pass on issues if it’s cheap enough, but the literal only times I get annoyed about it is when people pretend they don’t exist in the first place.

[modest mantle]

At near $100 it's at least ewast-ish risk

[rough depot]

Do you guys really play these connected to a TV? I just feel like there are other options that provide a better experience for that if you're going to spend $100-150 anyway.

Honest question. I just buy handhelds to play handheld

[gusty socket]

I’ve only attempted docking one device and the experience was so awful that I’ve never bothered trying again

[high hemlock]

Well, yes, if the device supports it. Not all the time, but yes.

[rough depot]

Like plug it in and sit on the couch with a controller?

[high hemlock]

Yes. It's a "sometimes I just feel like it" thing for me.

[rough depot]

That's fair, but since you already have devices that do it does another device not having that option make it a dealbreaker for you?

In my mind you only need one dockable as long as it plays everything you want

[high hemlock]

Not a deal breaker, but I do take it into consideration. I tend to not like having to deal with multiple devices for the same game.

[rough depot]

good enough, thanks for the perspective

I feel like for me personally that would be minimized by either keeping games to certain situations/handhelds or by getting something dedicated to hook up to a TV like a mini PC with some kind of save sync enabled

[glass orbit]

also lets you use more accurate cores and/or faster fast forward

with the super cheap handhelds you're usually limited to specific cores because others don't run well

if we're sticking to GB i like to use sameboy for example, it's the only gb core that can play pokemon red/blue in full color (in super game boy mode)

not sure how demanding that actually is tho, but it is the most accurate gb core as well

[eager rain]

Plus shaders

The good gameboy colour shaders require vulkan

[ashen vault]

Apparently the Retroid Pocket classic (1240x1080 screen that was also used on the pocket dmg ) and RP Mini have the same screen with the only difference being part of the mini display is tucked under screen.

Source:

https://bitbuilt.net/forums/index.php?threads/investigating-the-retroid-pocket-minis-display.6845/

[merry mango]

so classic = shadergate2?

[late rock]

I don't think that's what it means

[ashen vault]

That’s how I understood it

[late rock]

I mean as in the rp classic won't have the same issues

[distant widget]

Interesting, wonder if they can do this with other panels in future. If they actually get it right, leaving 1280x960 active area then it should be fine?

Alternatively，if it can gets recognised as a 1240x930 screen and thus send 1240x930 over to the display it should still be better than the situation now with the rescaling.

[late rock]

If they really did repurpose the dmg screen and knew about the issues, then that makes their handling of the situation that much worse

[distant widget]

Oh wait, former (leaving 1280x960 active area) is not possible (since it's a 1240x1080 screen) , but the latter should still be doable.

[lucid bone]

Nah, mini has scailing issue due to the hacked display controller to force to a certain res and aspect ratio. Classic will be using native res, shouldn't have any issue

[distant widget]

Might be the supplier side hiding the information, or retroid just not doing their homework before purchasing

[late rock]

Could be, I don't know how they get their screens

[merry mango]

so continue with preorder....

[late rock]

Probably, besides if they had any issues like that again I think they would be more likely to accept returns

[merry mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-to-see-here-explosion-explode-bomb-fire-gif-4923610

[lucid bone]

This is why everyone was shocked when they announced a 3:7" OLED...there's no panel like that out there. Where did they get it from? Now it’s clear that it’s a heavily modified panel.

[full vortex]

Well that’s crazy

[eager rain]

yeah the mini bugs are all tied down to them trying to butcher the classic screen into being 4:3 lol

this is the screen unmolested that they could've just put in the mini as well and been fine lol

[late rock]

The plot has thickened

[ashen vault]

Oh no it won’t

[late rock]

Unmolested lmao

[full vortex]

You’re telling me we could’ve had the classic before the mini

[eager rain]

we could've had the mini with the classic screen instead of those big 'not a bezel' blank spots above and below the screen

and proper scaling...

[full vortex]

A retroid 1:1

Or close to it

[eager rain]

31:27 or whatever

[full vortex]

What a crazy alternative universe

[eager rain]

a hair wider than 8:7

[wintry pecan]

funny enough, i think the mini existing in its current form is BECAUSE the community cried so hard for OLED 4:3

we monkey pawed oursleves

[full vortex]

Someone over at retroid probably wanted the classic out first too

So they wouldn’t have to mutilate the damn screen

[late rock]

So not only did the "bezeless" design make the rp mini look too big for its screen, it also fucked up the resolution. Dang Retroid

[eager rain]

but it would've been a better screen for 4:3 while also being taller for other stuff.

and no bugs.

[full vortex]

Well people obsess about integer scaling anyways

[ashen vault]

Here’s a picture of mini with the right resolution 1240x1080 turned by 90 degrees with some of the sides cut off

[distant widget]

What's the chance of mini and classic being made at the same factory and some of the mini screens accidentally being used in classic like how they mix up the mini colors initially ?

[wintry pecan]

nono you didnt read good enough

ITS THE SAME SCREEN

both are the pocket DMG screen

relinking article

https://bitbuilt.net/forums/index.php?threads/investigating-the-retroid-pocket-minis-display.6845/

[distant widget]

I mean the covered up/reduced area screens meant for the mini being assembled into the classic since they are about the same size in actual

[late rock]

The LG wing screen situation is crazy

[reef magnet]

that screen being the lg wing one sounds like retroid got magicx'd lmfao

[knotty thunder]

Yeah this would have been amazing, day 1 buy from me lol

[viral mantle]

Has anyone figured out what the chipset will be for RP Classic? Qualcomm 4nm is vague and after the whole screen issue of RP Mini I don’t trust Retroid any more.

[ashen vault]

It’ll be a new chipset which will have its embargo lifted on the 17th

[viral mantle]

Oh interesting. How did you find out

[ashen vault]

Also the pre order period will probably take a month so you can wait like 3 weeks and wait for reviews

[viral mantle]

Thanks. SD4g2 has what kind of performance?

I guess the biggest wish is to play Saturn well which the 6 buttons layout hints on that

Anyway I am not planning to preorder after the whole RP Mini screen drama.

[ashen vault]

Probably between g99 and d900 🤔

[eager rain]

So doubtful it will be enough to play harder games in beetle Saturn

[ashen vault]

Which translates into some stuff will run with yabasanshiro but heavier titles won’t

[ornate sail]

Sega Rally ? Beetle or Yabanshiro ?

[ashen vault]

I guess you’re not pre ordering

[astral holly]

I held off on the brick so I’m going with the classic at least waiting for reviews if it can do Saturn I’ll get the 6 if not I’ll get the color I want

[viral mantle]

@ashen vault Indeed I am not

[ashen vault]

Good for you

I’ll also be waiting

[distant widget]

Does Qualcomm have other partners for the upcoming GDC event for the new chips reveal?
Both their known partners are facing negative publicity 🤣, not really great for products launch.

[viral mantle]

Which is the other partner?

[ashen vault]

Razer edge 2 maybe?

[distant widget]

Ayaneo, igg account being reviewed

[ashen vault]

Their igg is on lockdown

[viral mantle]

Why? They didn’t fulfill the backers orders?

[wintry pecan]

thats part of it

and tons of refunds

[ashen vault]

Too many refunds possibly,

Check out their discord

[wintry pecan]

pocket evo was a shit show

pocket micro wasnt fully fufilled

[distant widget]

No idea, might not be one specific issue but a accumulation of many reports from their previous campaigns

[viral mantle]

Anbernic

[merry mango]

Can you cancel the pre-order?

[magic rover]

Utterly baffling. What the fuck.

[ornate sail]

I think that those wanting something smaller than the RP5 and yet keep sticks should wait for the RPMv2. The screen to body ratio will improve « a lot », they say. That means a significantly bigger, yet 4:3 screen.

[pseudo dove]

Hope we get some pics of the actual retail device soon

[halcyon gyro]

"brand new" screen? wonder how true that statement is

[delicate ermine]

[pseudo dove]

Want this

[thick isle]

To me it’s false advertising regardless of Retorid knew it or not.

[nocturne gazelle]

They knew 100% editing screen drivers isnt something you do on accident

[dusty marsh]

This is why I rather wait and see on anything they release.

[merry mango]

maybe im not gonna preorder anymore...

[rough depot]

I wouldn’t be that concerned about issues if they’re using the native resolution of the screen in this one, which is appears they are. The screen is in the DMG and is a known quantity.
If you’re not preordering on principle I can agree with that though.

[merry mango]

principle. how can you support a company like that?

[halcyon gyro]

true

[junior fox]

😳😳😳

[scarlet meadow]

You'll change your mind in half an hour or once you see it actually gaming

[halcyon gyro]

orrr we just let this sink so they are forced to lower sale price

[dusty marsh]

Or I just decided to pick up a ayaneo pocket dmg through Droix. It's overkill and more expensive, but it's the most powerful (thus far) vertical handheld and I'm cool with paying for that.

[brittle tiger]

Considering even now I’d still consider AYANEO one of the even worse companies, I’d personally rather still get the classic over the DMG.

[dusty marsh]

Ayaneo has their issues, no question about it. Hence the purchase through Droix for their 2 year warranty on each purchase.

[novel crane]

After reading all of this and such, i might still purchase the Classic, but that will be it from me with Retroid

[merry mango]

Yeah prolly

[novel crane]

even then, I still call Ayaneo the greater of the evils

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, I still think even the current Mini situation is only a mere fraction of the shitshow that was the AYANEO 2S.

[rose dove]

Wouldn't it be better if this had an 865 like the mini?

[delicate ermine]

wouldn't it be better if the mini had the full sized DMG screen like this?

[brittle tiger]

Honestly I’m still baffled on how I ended up getting the Pocket Micro, even if I legit still like the device.

[brittle tiger]

Well duh, then we wouldn’t have had this whole situation in the first place.

[delicate ermine]

I would buy one if they just released the mini with the full sized DMG screen

[hexed dagger]

so if you have the RP Mini but don't want to use it, and you buy the Classic, does it mean you have a free spare screen for your Classic now?

[brittle tiger]

Like, if you had said this at the very beginning, I definitely could see people arguing “well yeah it’s pretty much the same screen size for 4:3 and has more screen height for vertical as well, but that integer scaling dude”.

Now? I’m pretty sure them not just using the LG Wing screen with none of the weird stuff would’ve outright avoided literally all of this entire mess!

[delicate ermine]

it will be impossible to get the screen off

[brittle tiger]

No, since I don’t think even the best hardware modders in the community could legit perfectly delaminate and remove the screen from the lens without somewhat damaging it.

[delicate ermine]

also I don't think the panel control chip would allow for the full screen to be used anyway

[hexed dagger]

Sorry, I was joking. I thought it would be obvious...

[scarlet meadow]

This is what the screen looked like after the person doing the investigating looked like after removal

[modest mantle]

Geometric Pixel Shader

[nocturne gazelle]

To be fair these things are quite literally fused to the front glass but yeah with proper equipment (often quite expensive equipment) you can do a better job

[dusty marsh]

Shader will buff that out, no problem.

[gusty socket]

Evil is evil. Greater, lesser, middling, it’s all the same

-Geralt

[novel crane]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[frank plinth]

There is very little incentive to pre-order the Classic, in my opinion.

After all this... waiting for reviews is the smartest choice.

Unless $150 is meaningless to you, then have at it!

[novel crane]

150?

[frank plinth]

shipping and stuff

[novel crane]

Ah, i was about to ask

[frank plinth]

I want the Classic. I want to love the Classic. But I'll wait to see what the early adopters and reviewers find first.

I secretly hope the first teardown reveals a RK3326. 😂

[late rock]

I mean I think it's meant to be an alternative to the analogue pocket for people who want a premium gameboy style device but don't care that much about FPGA

[scarlet meadow]

I just wish it had a single slider or stick and Im willing to die on this hill . It would of been a guarantee buy for me but know with all the other drama going on not so much

[frank plinth]

Lack of dock support or at minimum HDMI/Display Out is a bigger miss for me.

Especially when Retroid has an official dock that by all accounts is not bad.

And many of us have some type of Gamesir or 8bitdo controller.

Lack of dock support, random 6 button option for the Classic, different chip options for the Flip 2. Just feels like they're not serious about building a real product line.

Throwing everything at the wall.

[dusty marsh]

what about the anbernic rg40xxh? I assume bc OLED.

[novel crane]

And power

[dusty marsh]

How much power would one need for a single analog device?

[novel crane]

For stable Dreamcast, N64, and Some Saturn games + PSX, a bit more than the h700 can offer

without frameskip mind you

[dusty marsh]

N64 games you would need more buttons though (c buttons) and Saturn I don't see happening. Dreamcast is def valid though.

I hope I am wrong bout Saturn compatibility though.

[brittle tiger]

Welp, I guess I already missed the fact that David did already see it and basically just stonewalled the problem.

[brittle tiger]

So yeah, I just went from being willing to pre-order only the Classic to flat out not wanting to get it at all.

[high hemlock]

Not to mention they just randomly OEM'ed some cheap Bluetooth headphones for no reason.

[void mortar]

This is genuinely saddening stuff to learn...

Oh well, maybe I'll go with an Odin 2 Portal and Anbernic 35xxSP or Miyoo Flip combo instead.
Supposedly there's a V2 batch for the Miyoo Flip now that's improved, but I'll have to see in what ways

[scarlet meadow]

It’s nice and all but still only a H700 + your right no OLED

[frank plinth]

It's impossible to regard these companies as serious companies in the same way we might a Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, Lenovo, Logitech...

Not making excuses for them... just pointing out that they're not serious... they build iteratively... they always make some type of hardware mistake... we are the beta testers... they make their money by having us buy MORE devices (not investing in an ecosystem...)

It's just the model. Still just cheap-ish toys that got increasingly more expensive because buyers (us) said we wanted more performance and better displays and we showed with our wallets we'd keep buying up. But the parts are still sourced as cheaply as possible...

Like, why can't we get proper C-to-C charging on Anbernic devices... because they're not serious companies.

[summer marsh]

It's ridiculous to even think they are remotely on the same level. They aren't selling millions of these devices

[frank plinth]

/ rant 😇

[frank plinth]

Yeah, I think that's my point.

Saying "Retroid is an anti-consumer company" is a silly statement to me...

[void mortar]

They may not be on the same level as those companies, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't want them to improve either.
And I'll also admit there isn't really anything else on the market that are like the Flip 2 or the Classic in terms of their specs and form factor, which is what makes this so difficult for me in terms of wanting or not wanting to give them my money

[summer marsh]

fair, though I guess I take a bit of an issue saying 'they're not serious'. I really think they are trying to make great devices for gaming and care about what they do. but they have to make a lot of tough decisions when it comes to engineering and parts and manufacturing.

they likely don't have a massive engineering budget and the margins are relatively small. though you can tell they put care into the design and generally make devices they would want to game on

[frank plinth]

Yeah, "serious" might be the wrong word choice.

At the end of the day, they are still hacking together a product strategy with hacked together components.

[void mortar]

The Flip 2 is genuinely the kind of device I want to have, but this whole mess that they could've very easily avoided for many months now just makes me feel... Ugh

[frank plinth]

I think we can invest in the intent, and appreciate that we're getting relatively great products that fill big gaps in the market, but still remember the reality; no real product strategy, limited by international shipping and customer support, going to cut corners to maximize profit, going to work with limited components, likely run by a small team doing the best they can...

[hexed dagger]

Oh come on, I work with Microsoft cloun products daily and we are 100% beta testing their products. I don't want to spam with all the stories, just for an example, I asked something about their product pointing out that their documentation is missing this info, and in a week they responded with "no, look, the info is here" with the docs updated.
And that's just Microsoft and arguably cloud should be different. Well then, what about ASUS? And so many other big brands...

[frank plinth]

I'm talking about hardware.

[hexed dagger]

and ASUS is what?

Besides, the point is that I have no idea why people consider Microsoft a serious company, that made me laugh

[summer marsh]

man I agree with your general sentiment but acting like they don't have a product strategy is crazy lol.

also saying they will cut corners to maximize product is probably the most cynical view on it

[frank plinth]

I don't think they have a strong cohesive product strategy.

And my comment around cutting corners was a general comment, not limited to Retroid.

[summer marsh]

realisitcally retroid probably offers some of the best value out of most manufacterers unless you're talking the true budget devices. they have often surprised everyone with great price to performance

[frank plinth]

Yes. They are easily my favorite of all of the retro handheld manufacturers, specifically because of price-to-value.

[nova skiff]

oh retroid is cutting corners alright

[frank plinth]

And I think they have the best intent and spirit of most of the manufacturers.

despite recent controversies

[brittle tiger]

Look, I’m sorry but this went from being a “company couldn’t solve the problem” to “the company literally was lying about what the problem was for literal months”, and that’s assuming they only found out while researching the issues and somehow didn’t know about their screen being an LG-Wing screen from the very beginning.

[summer marsh]

eh they made a mistake, I still think this whole thing is overblown

[void mortar]

I find it very hard to believe it was just a mistake based on what's known about the screen now

[hexed dagger]

Exxon also made a mistake

[summer marsh]

Well everyone thought the screen was beautiful until we found that out so yeah I think they made a mistake. perhaps they thought they could fix it.

it's still a great device

[brittle tiger]

They literally got the wrong screen since 4:3 OLED flat out doesn’t exist, covered it so that it would only have 4:3 as the visible display, and then pretended it had a resolution that it didn’t actually have.

[summer marsh]

looks like they learned not to repurpose screens like that and are getting custom ones made for their devices. so they learned from this.

[summer marsh]

eh stay mad, I'll buy a mini from someone if they don't want it

[brittle tiger]

They literally could have avoided all of this by not lying from the start and advertising it as the proper LG Wing 1240x1080 screen.

[summer marsh]

I'd prefer that over the massive bezels but yeah I still think people are losing their minds over this when it's not that big of a deal. they made a mistake

rp mini a great device

[brittle tiger]

That is outright stupid, because it would’ve been the same 3.7” for 4:3, while also having a taller screen for 8:7 stuff or 3DS. And they would’ve avoided all of this mess.

[summer marsh]

mistakes were made lol

[spark oasis]

I agree, i wish they kept producing it

[summer marsh]

anyone looking to sell me their mini? thanks

[void mortar]

I do think the custom screens could be better for them in the long-term, but we'll have to see how that really pans out.
But yeah, I'm not happy with them having lied about this issue to begin with. It's a really bad look no matter how you slice it.
I may still get the Flip 2 anyways as there isn't anything else like it, but 110% waiting for reviews, and I'm also considering other options now.
Ig if there's anything this mess has ended up doing for me, it's to not fixate too much on just one option in terms of my next retro handheld purchase

[brittle tiger]

Literally zero mistakes were made. They designed the Mini around this screen and then lied about the resolution. This isn’t even the same as the whole scaling shit they made up, it is literally not even the advertised resolution.

They literally shot themselves in the foot for no reason at all since they would’ve been just fine selling this as the full sized screen.

[summer marsh]

well don't buy retroid in the future then, lots of other manufacterers to choose from.

also I don't know why everyone is just assuming guilt and malicious intent, I think it's likely they didn't realize the issue until people brought it up.

[brittle tiger]

I cannot understate the fact that no other company has ever done this, point blank.

[brittle tiger]

Because you literally cannot design the device around the screen and somehow not know that it’s not actually a 1280x960 screen until people point it out.

[frank plinth]

I can agree that they might not have even known. We don't really know how these get made.

[brittle tiger]

They literally could not have even bought the screen without knowing it was the LG Wing screen.

[frank plinth]

Like other companies released handhelds with falsely-advertised chips

Yes, someone would have known.

What I'm saying is that it might not have been Retroid...

[brittle tiger]

That was literally the only other thing I was giving them (they couldn’t have known if it was the driver chip).

[summer marsh]

alright I'm done here for now and gonna enjoy my saturday and play some games. try not to chase the drama too much everyone, we are here to have fun and enjoy retrogaming.

[regal egret]

I was an apoligist too, but RNS is right on this one. Sucks because I like the mini but would've liked it even more if they hadn't intentionally handicapped it.

[analog thunder]

It's 1240x1080??? I thought it was 1280 x like 920 or something and then just stretched to 960

[regal egret]

Wrong thread to vent though I guess.

[brittle tiger]

No, they would’ve had to know if they were buying it in the first place.

[brittle tiger]

Nah, I’m still calling that dumb.

[frank plinth]

Yeah, I'm not interested in being an apologist here. Just pointing out once again that I don't regard these companies as "serious" companies. My only point earlier was that when the business model is to release multiple handhelds a year, what we get is: often niche, often rushed, never perfect, and with another device right around the corner. I don't think there's a 3-4 year product roadmap. It's just iterative release after iterative release based on slightly fixing what we find "wrong" with one device or playing off of something someone else did (like micros and 1:1s.)

And when the operation is based out of China, they have to deal with tariffs, international shipping, communication challenges...

I just don't see how we can regard these companies (despite them having the best intent and creating toys we love to buy and play with, myself included) as anything else... 🤷

[lunar pecan]

actually curious what's your reason pre-Mini drama?

[brittle tiger]

Like, the Mini is unironically among the top 10 worst things any of these companies have done, and it’s especially stupid because they could’ve avoided it from the beginning by not lying about the screen.

[steady mortar]

Top 10 even top 5

[pseudo dove]

I know everyone’s tastes are different but a 4” square screen with the sd865, the mini build quality, aesthetics, comfort and controls able to run Linux… that would been one of my dream devices for that sized device

[brittle tiger]

Yup, it’s basically a company that was at worst on par with Anbernic jumping down to AYANEO levels of bullshit.

[high hemlock]

Couple of things combined. Unsolved issue on my RP2+, screen tinting and ghosting on my RP4P, their drip feeding strategy, and I simply just hate the RP5/RPM design (aesthetically)

[regal egret]

Let's see the list.

[steady mortar]

Don't forget about rp3 and rp3+

[brittle tiger]

First place is the AYANEO 2S screen being able to heat up to such a high temperature that it would literally start delaminating and damaging the screen display. And then proceeding to lie and pretend it’s working as intended.

[lunar pecan]

Actually wild that of all these issues, it was the shaders bit that became the catalyst for all this

[eager rain]

I might just get a 40xxV in the big sale this weekend instead

a lot cheaper (for reasons, obviously)

[regal egret]

Once you see it you can't unsee it. I wish I was still ignorant to it honestly haha

[lunar pecan]

Would it really affect you that much though

[regal egret]

It's a feature not a bug! The screen lifts to cool, duh.

[lunar pecan]

Like I don't think you can ever capture the magic of the original hardware imo

[regal egret]

It is not bad for games that don't require pixel grids.

[lunar pecan]

hm

[frank plinth]

I'd love to see real sales numbers on these devices.

Like how many Minis are actually in the wild vs. the RP5

How many 35XX SPs did Anbernic sell?

When Powkiddy releases another low-powered iteration, like the V20, how big is that market still?

[regal egret]

Guessing the chart would just be inversely proportional to price.

Highest selling devices have the lowest prices.

[lunar pecan]

i think super cheap devices are more likely to sell in poorer countries

the amount of r36s+clones I've seen locally were quite staggering

[novel crane]

Tbh

With everything going on

I might just buy a Analogue Pocket

[dusty marsh]

Love my pocket. Resolution is chef's kiss

[frank plinth]

I am still most likely going to buy a Classic. 😂 😇

It checks all of my boxes, and I can deal with its shortcomings; just need Russ and others' to give a loose stamp of approval before I pay for it.

[novel crane]

Like

I WANT TO BUY THIS

But rn Im incredibly hesitant to do so

[turbid haven]

I mean, people continue to support companies and other things guilty of far worse crimes, but yes true

[dusty marsh]

The fact there is no black model and the six button version is locked to just one color is just messed up. But I am glad other people like it.

[frank plinth]

just throwing ideas at the wall

[ebon forum]

That's the resolution of the screen before they trimmed it

[night crag]

im just gonna wait a few months before i buy, get a cheaper device to tide me over till then

[dusty marsh]

Or wait for people to sell them on WTS

[ebon forum]

There's genuinely no way they didn't know

[eager rain]

yeah they took a 1240x1080 screen, covered up part of it to make it 1240x930, then fed it a 1280x960 signal so everything gets covered in bilinear scaling vaseline

a real marvel of modern engineering

[ebon forum]

They were covering up the panel with the bezels

[ebon forum]

It's such a joke because I know so many people want a pocket DMG horizontal

[dusty marsh]

No wonder the casing seemed excessively large 🤣

[ebon forum]

But I want integer scaling more

[brittle tiger]

Well good news is that we’re already pushing for them to delist the current Mini and release both an updated Mini with the actual 31:27 screen being fully uncovered, as well as a diy screen kit mod for replacing the one in the original RP Mini. Even if they have to cancel the Mini V2 screen to do so.

[brittle tiger]

That way, they can offer the replacement for free to people who want it (even if they just want to return their original Mini to replace with the updated one), and offer full refunds for people who don’t want that without going bankrupt.

[brittle tiger]

Oh, and also actually be fucking honest and transparent about what happened instead of trying to use the Mini V2 to deflect from the issue.

[lunar pecan]

how big will it actually be this time
3.9" or something?

[scarlet meadow]

Where the Retroid discord ?

[ebon forum]

And the dumbest thing is they lied about it being the screen driver chip

[eager rain]

Why do that when they can deduct “depreciation” fees from returns to keep half their scammed customers money and then resell those devices as new to fresh marks who don’t know any better

[brittle tiger]

Yup, and it literally will not change the size of the device at all. Because it’s the same freaking screen.

[wintry pecan]

It still is the chip, just for different reasons now
Poor chip is confused af

[lunar pecan]

Wtf I'm now interested in the device

i really disliked how small the OG screen was

[delicate ermine]

3.92", they just covered 0.22" of the screen and claimed it to be 1280x960 while it was only 1240x928

[ebon forum]

It's just so stupid

[brittle tiger]

Well, I guess they could just tank all their reputation and also throw away any possible chances they have left.

[ebon forum]

I was going to buy a retroid matbe

If the super SP didn't work out

But now?

[eager rain]

I think we are past that point lol

[delicate ermine]

yeah definitely holding off on the pre-orders for the Flip2/Classic at this point, despite being fairly confident on these devices being fine, after that shit show, nope

[brittle tiger]

At this point, they’re only AYANEO territory for me (since I’m at least not burning my freaking fingers by trying to just use the touch screen), so they’re still on the literal brink of being unforgivable for me, but literally anything other than trying to legit solve this problem will push them past that.

[lunar pecan]

oh fuck...
a 3.9" horizontal that plays up to ps2 with sticks or a 3.9" vertical that plays up to...Saturn? or smthn but has potential pocketability

decisions, decisions ...

(i will probably end up getting neither)

[ebon forum]

The bringus video was entertaining

[brittle tiger]

Exactly!

[brittle tiger]

It would still be only 3.7” for 4:3 content, but it would have extra height for Gameboy/GBC and for 8:7 NES/SNES, as well as for DS/3DS, and would also be what the screen actually is instead of continuing to lie about the resolution and pretend it’s a 4:3 960p screen with “a scaling issue”.

[lunar pecan]

ah ty

[teal hatch]

All this stuff going on with retroid, kinda wonder now how intentional moorechip is about denying the Ayn-Retroid sister company thing

[scarlet meadow]

And here I am campaigning for Retroid to use the DMG screen while all along they were just purposely gimping it just to say look we have a 4:3 OLED

I believe many would of preferred that over what we got

[teal hatch]

Almost feels like a risk avoidance tactic now trying to avoid blowback on Ayn for these kinds of things. Like "what if the community finds out...let's have plausible deniability in the event of backlash"

[brittle tiger]

So it’s your fault they thought it would be a better screen and then tried to compromise with the 4:3 people. /s

In all seriousness, yeah now that we outright know that the device wouldn’t in any way become bigger since it’s literally already in there, the LG Wing screen would be better.

[pseudo dove]

They should just own up then make the rp mini with a new face to accommodate the full screen… if they did that I’d rather it than the the classic though

End game

[scarlet meadow]

It’s all my fault

https://tenor.com/view/my-fault-gang-gif-5539192570062285306

[brittle tiger]

I’d put the Shame gif if I could put make a big text /s next to or right below it.

[merry mango]

oof just saw this
https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1jasndj/another_retroid_mini_depreciation_fee/

seriously, how can you support a company like this

[full vortex]

just chinese handheld

hardly consider any of it support. I like I buy

[merry mango]

true....

https://tenor.com/view/new-hat-lisa-smithers-the-simpsons-gif-14076043

[brittle tiger]

Like in the Retroid discord, I have to ask if he was planning to do the same thing and is just angry Retroid already did it and ruined it by lying about the resolution (making it more obvious and now ensuring people will know to check for this in all handhelds from now on), so now he can’t get away with doing it himself and has to think of something else.

[wintry pecan]

Tbh tearing a device down that far has a high risk for unrecoverable damage

That shield on the back of a panel is important and can fuck it if messed with

[scarlet meadow]

What!
You can’t fix this

[merry mango]

https://tenor.com/view/wreckitralph-fixitfelix-gif-19395989

[scarlet meadow]

Little super glue and duct tape and its good as new

[rough depot]

As someone who has delaminated a different screen, this was forcibly ripped off, not removed with any tools

[nocturne gazelle]

yes because specific fixtures and tools for delaminating this screen properly exist /s

[scarlet meadow]

Never tried anything like that personally because I know that’s how it would end up

[rough depot]

I mean the principle is you have to heat up the adhesive, slip a very thin knife or wire onto one corner, and inject IPA or some other dissolving agent between the screen and the glass and repeat that SLOWLY it until it comes up

[wintry pecan]

Talking about this shielding
Any farther than this and you risk damage

[rough depot]

And even then it’s not guaranteed

[rough depot]

Yeah I wouldn’t attempt this

[nocturne gazelle]

once it cracks might as well rip it

whos to say he didnt try to razer/ipa/heat before then

[rough depot]

Not saying he didn’t, but he probably had one crack and then ripped it off

[distant widget]

maybe its different for full glass front type of screen?

[candid jasper]

Screen melters are pretty cheap these days too

[wintry pecan]

You'll notice that shielding hides the actual size pretty good

No way to tell unless you get that off

[rough depot]

I mean you can see the outline of the height of the screen

[nocturne gazelle]

cheap ones are bad and still $100's

idk many people that really go for such single use tools unless they do cell repairs on the side

[wintry pecan]

You can NOW
Would you recognize it if you didn't have that info or just think they used more shield for structure

[nocturne gazelle]

I mean they had partially assembled screen units for testing of the RP5

[candid jasper]

Nah mine was $70 and it wasn't even the cheapest

[nocturne gazelle]

id assume they'd have the same and or samples before that for the mini as well

[candid jasper]

Got the screen off my Lenovo ThinkSmart View

[nocturne gazelle]

did you delaminate it tho

[candid jasper]

But you're right most people won't be spending money on specific tools like that

[nocturne gazelle]

its a completely separate process than removing a screen assembly

[rough depot]

I had always been of the opinion the screen was larger, at least electronically. People were mad about size relative to the device when this launched and I tried to tell some that it was because the screen is physically larger than the display area shown.
That being said I wouldn’t have assumed it was all more screen there, just supporting electronics

[nocturne gazelle]

https://x.com/Retroid0fficial/status/1840224647561814449/photo/1

Retroid Pocket Official (@Retroid0fficial) on X

Just in the workshop, booting up Android 13 on the RP5.. nbd..

X · Sep 29, 2024, 2:58 AM

for example this is a unit they were testing on for the RP5

[wintry pecan]

Same

[nocturne gazelle]

pretty safe to assume they had access to bare panels as well in the stages leading up to panel selection

[brittle tiger]

Yup. That’s the only reason I was willing to still give them some benefit of the doubt about not knowing.

Then someone helpfully reminded me that they were spending literal months looking into the hardware of the screen itself, many of which also had them working on the Flip 2 and Classic, so they had to have learned it during that time.

[modest mantle]

Well isn't it only a shader thing?

Like how bad is it? Would normal people even know?

[regal egret]

It was assumed to be at first, but new information was posted yesterday or today revealing that they purposefully lied about the screen they were using.

[stone ice]

for me it's not a shader, scaling or resolution thing anymore

retroid are just liars

[scenic lodge]

It was never a shader thing but shaders made it the easiest to spot

[modest mantle]

Like. People who work and test vacuums aren't vacuum fanatics. The people who buy 15 vacuums are the fanatics. The lie is definitely bad. But it's possible when testing they just didn't notice if it's not that obvious

[scenic lodge]

https://bitbuilt.net/forums/index.php?threads/investigating-the-retroid-pocket-minis-display.6845/

[brittle tiger]

For a screenshot and not a link.

[modest mantle]

Well yeah but like, if the resolution wasn't fucked it wouldn't have been a thing if they'd got it working no?

And yeah. It seems like people only first noticed with certain shaders. Would be shocked if any of these makers tested even a third of existing shaders on a panel

[stone ice]

the resolution is fucked though

and they scammed people out of 30 lines of pixels, even if they don't care about the shaders

[modest mantle]

Like noticeably to the average person? (Again my original assertion)

[stone ice]

if they gave you a 4000 mah battery instead of a 5000 mah for your phone would you notice?

there's literal numbers that they're saying that are false

[modest mantle]

Like if the answer is yes, then yeah, it's more likely something they caught in testing and tried to slip through. If no, then it's just dealing with fallout extremely badly

[modest mantle]

Probably not. Lol. I don't time my device battery life

And I'd consider myself slightly above the average person

[stone ice]

it's not the final result that matters, it's the lying about the actual numbers and trying to pass the issues as a "chip issue with the screen manufacturer", while also having your screen so deeply hidden into the device that you have to break it to check it

[modest mantle]

I just know little about the launch. Am just curious as to the level of the impact. Some people are swearing blood oaths of vengeance. And others say the barely notice or didn't til they read about it

[stone ice]

i probably would notice since i love my crt filters, but again that's not the issue

[modest mantle]

Cause I'll totally buy someone's on the cheap. I doubt I'd even notice if the average person wouldnt

[stone ice]

this is like if we saw today an email from magicx saying "haha, i hope we get them good with the whole rk3326 with an rk3562 sticker thing"

it says all i need to know about the company, not about the device

[modest mantle]

Yeah. The response is the issue. I get that. And I'll likely wait on both flip and classic instead of preordering because of it

But if it gets me a cheap mini second hand, Ill still bite if it's not that bad

[stone ice]

that's understandable

especially once you know about the issue

i just don't like people defending it saying "well it's hard to notice"

[modest mantle]

Yeah. For sure. They should have just said it at launch. Normies in the testing department may not have even noticed

[stone ice]

honestly i would totally understand

[modest mantle]

Still a shitty thing to do tho

[rough depot]

I still haven’t seen anyone put it up on marketplace

[stone ice]

even if before launching they'd said "hey, we took the cool screen from the dmg and plan to make a 4:3 screen by cropping some pixels", if they were transparent about that no one would have cared

well maybe they would have said "just leave it like it is and don't fuck with the resolution"

[regal egret]

You can take my mini out of my cold dead hands.

In all honesty now I am just holding on to it in hopes of the DIY kit for the new one

Welcome to stockholm folks!

[rough depot]

This is like obscene levels of copium lol

[regal egret]

I'm still playing it, so it isn't like it is just sitting in a drawer.

[rough depot]

That’s fine then, carry on

[turbid haven]

To let people deal with their massive betrayal, I'm offering £20 for their rp minis

[pseudo dove]

I’ll give you £25

[nova kayak]

Is this what the eventual outcome was, that MagicX knew the whole time? Last thing I read when it was all going down was that their supplier lied to them and they had no idea.

[stone ice]

no, i do believe that they were lied to

but i'm saying, this is like if we saw that email today and they were just lying about not knowing about it

[nova kayak]

Ah, after re-reading your comment I see I just misread it.

[distant ledge]

I don't fully follow, does the Classic's screen prove to be troublesome, too?

[brittle tiger]

Oh at this point, I’m literally just judging anyone who keeps trying to use that as a defense even now.

[pseudo dove]

No, the classic screen is running the same screen but at the actual specs

[brittle tiger]

Like, at that point you’re literally defending false advertisement with “it’s not even that bad, people barely notice it”, that’s not a good defense.

[distant ledge]

might be they notice, but don't care as much? people can have different standards, no?

but I agree, that if I want to use something that was advertised as being so-and-so then I expect it to work like so-and-so

[stone ice]

like just now there was a big scandal with nvidia cards for giving you less rops than advertised, and those were actual defects, not malpractice

[brittle tiger]

That doesn’t excuse the false advertisement, much less the fact Retroid isn’t bothering to try fixing it, and is instead using the Mini V2 as some kind of excuse to say “hey, we know it had issues, that’s why we’re doing this”.

[late rock]

Yeah I lost some respect for some of these youtubers after seeing their takes

[stone ice]

you buy a bag of 12 croissants, and you get 11 croissants "hey, but the croissants were good!" this is literally what any defense of this sounds like

[turbid haven]

Then that will surely be their problem to having blind faith, their stockholm syndrome will lead to them being fucked over and we'll just know better overall 😄 you can lead donkeys to water but they still need to drink it

[late rock]

I personally can't tell but that doesn't really matter if there is an objective problem