Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[coral valley]

That's fair, there's so many oldish games that still feel modern that it makes it hard to justify a lot of super demanding new games

[gentle badge]

the best game to come out recently was ultrakill

that runs on my 5700u miniPC lol

[coral valley]

I cant believe they're using it for the halo remake. Just sad really

[lilac sable]

i dont mind really. i just hope down the line it does get optimized. being on unreal engine 4/5 means i can play it in vr

[coral valley]

Also, getting a second remaster/remake of halo ce before halo 3 remastered is crazy

[lilac sable]

would be nice if they made all the cortanas into halo 4 cortana

[echo lynx]

I was so happy for cemu

Marrio 3d world instantly looks and sounds better then any Wii game

[coral valley]

You horndog 🐈 (I agree)

[lilac sable]

...and also use unreal engine so i can view in vr

[coral valley]

Bro

[echo lynx]

Just port bf1 to switch 2

[rigid thicket]

I think it kind of depends on genre too.

Like, most shmups hold up since they're just very tight and focused games.

There's not a crazy amount you can do to "advance" them.

Even when there is a better modern one the older ones don't lose value.

Same goes for like, platformers and stuff.

[echo lynx]

But when you deal with iron boots

[rigid thicket]

It's mostly 3D games where better tech and QoL really make older games feel dated.

Or things that are simulation based

Like reactive worlds and stuff.

This is kind of an opposite example, but Avowed feels bad because it presents like a reactive world game but has none of what even Oblivion has in that regard.

[coral valley]

I dont know if this can be considered that old of a game but dragon age inquisition

[opaque harbor]

You forgot something 😅

Like people who like both depending on the game

[south mantle]

But can it play Ark

[fast sonnet]

Ark was disqualified due to obscene unoptimization

[echo lynx]

Optimisation?

What's that?

I only know spaghetti code dinos

[lilac sable]

i think they call it DLSS, FSR, or XESS these days

[coral valley]

I love 4x frame gen I love input latency

I love blurriness

[rigid thicket]

Just an example of companies using features as a crutch/to be lazy rather than using them to push things further.

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wilds-gif-16097361606535606417

[echo lynx]

Ayaneo truly loves fsr

Steam deck truly loves fsr

[lilac sable]

frame gen still needs work (ie latency), but dlss imo is usable now. not as blurry as before

[coral valley]

Dlss is good when you're using quality or balanced imo, but anything past that and it's pretty noticeable

Depends on your base resolution of course though

[lilac sable]

have you played around with the different DLSS presets?

i find preset J is the sharpest

dlss 4, preset J

[coral valley]

I haven't used dlss4 yet actually

[echo lynx]

Wonder who's doing this

[coral valley]

Maybe it's better than I thought

[rigid thicket]

These features were meant to push you over the threshold if you were a bit short, but now companies, including Nvidia, are slacking off and using them fake it. 😔

[tranquil elbow]

thats so wrony holy fuck haha

[coral valley]

Yeah it's nice for handheld pcs to make otherwise unplayable games playable but for modern dgpus is a bit much

[lilac sable]

its a game changer. never used dlss before the new ones

[echo lynx]

I've gotta buy a 9070xt

[tranquil elbow]

there are so many ancient games that hold up perfectly even now

[echo lynx]

Iron boots

[tranquil elbow]

what does that even mean

[coral valley]

Is that supposed to be a minecraft metaphor

[echo lynx]

No Zelda issue

[tranquil elbow]

the problem with DLSS is that you have to buy a piece of shit nvidia card

[lilac sable]

whats a better card?

[tranquil elbow]

better than what?

[rigid thicket]

I'm gonna go ahead and be gunshy about Nvidia and Nvidia specific features after the whole PhyX thing.

Like, if raw performance of the card is better sure, but if it's performance with any Nvidia only feature I'll pass.

Not that we've needed anything beyond like, a 2080 for the past decade.

[echo lynx]

A133p type shit

[coral valley]

I bought an Nvidia card solely for cyberpunk tbh

[echo lynx]

With the physx

[coral valley]

Path tracing is a game changer

[tranquil elbow]

yeah in the 2 games that support it

[coral valley]

For now

[rigid thicket]

It's a game changer in the games that bother to support it well.

[lilac sable]

nvidia has no competition in the high end

thats why their prices suck

[tranquil elbow]

for now yeah, its been out for 5 years and 2 games support it, one being a 5 years old game

[rigid thicket]

But for most games you can't even really tell or the performance hit is so high it's not worth it.

[tranquil elbow]

don't hold your breath

[coral valley]

Path tracing mods though

[tranquil elbow]

you dont need the high end unless you're playing at 4k on a 120+ hz monitor though

[lilac sable]

you need high end gpu for PCVR

[coral valley]

Besides I think its safe to say Ray tracing is going to become more and more important

[lilac sable]

yes im playing on that too

[coral valley]

For better or for worse

[tranquil elbow]

lmao they've been saying that since the 2000 series

and people believed it

[coral valley]

Yeah and it's becoming true

[honest pond]

Ray Tracing is the biggest scam

[coral valley]

Depends on the implementation

[honest pond]

We've sacrificed so many advancements in graphics for realistic lighting that you only notice if you stare at a scene for a few seconds

[tranquil elbow]

yeah at at breakneck pace. That's why 2 games support path tracing after 8 years. Keep buying nvidia, if you're lucky you could even get a gpu with all its ROPs and which doesn't catch fire

[honest pond]

And games run very poorly

[tranquil elbow]

if you're lucky, though.

[coral valley]

Amd is making it a point to increase their ray tracing capabilities as well

Not just nvidia

[tranquil elbow]

even more reason to not buy an nvidia lol

[coral valley]

It's still not quite as good though

[tranquil elbow]

raytracing is a scam, but its all nvidia had, now they dont even have the esclusivity so why buy a 5080 missing ROPs or a 5090 that catches fire

[echo lynx]

Good thing I can immediately get my RMA

[tranquil elbow]

yup plenty of 5080s going around

RMA and get a substitute in 6 months, maybe

which could be just as bad cause a lot of them are missing ROPs and nvidia lied about it

[gentle badge]

Raytracing is not enough of a visual improvement to be worth the cost

[coral valley]

Subjective not gonna lie

Witcher 3 raytracing? Sure. Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2 raytracing though?

[rigid thicket]

Nvidia telling the public none of the laptop SKUs will be have the ROPS issue while telling all laptop manufacturers to check all their laptops for missing ROPs before shipping them out. 😂

[tranquil elbow]

its insane how people still buy them

[lilac sable]

cvyberpunk path tracing sold me

[tacit gorge]

instead of putting my money into gpus, i’ll buy many many years of game streaming that will allow me to play whatever i like on a potato and only get better over time.

[rigid thicket]

Games made to look good without raytracing originally don't see much of a visual improvement when it's added afterwards.
Games made to look good with raytracing from the start don't put as much effort to make it look good without because it's supposed to be a selling point.

//tinfoil hat

[tranquil elbow]

so youre paying 1500$ to play a 5yo game with path tracing

I mean, it's your money

[coral valley]

Yes

[tranquil elbow]

what a deal

[coral valley]

People pay extra for better ways to experience games, not that crazy

[echo lynx]

You pay 200 to play 25 year old GCn games

[tranquil elbow]

paying 1500 euros for a single game is pretty crazy

[coral valley]

Well that was an exaggeration lol

Obviously not just cyberpunk, but it didn't hurt

[tranquil elbow]

nope its also alan wake 2

and

and....

[coral valley]

And all of the other games that support Ray tracing

[tranquil elbow]

of which there are none which support full pathtracing, and normal raytracing is a scam

[coral valley]

That's just way too general

And games do usually look better for it

[lilac sable]

You can do whatever you want. There’s no point on shitting on other people lmao

[tranquil elbow]

Im not shitting on other people

I already said its their money and they can do whatever they want with it

and in the exact same way I can say how much I think it's dumb as much as I want

[coral valley]

If ID is pushing raytracing I think it's going to be more commonplace

[tranquil elbow]

nvidia advertising has been saying that since 2018

it aint happened yet

[opaque harbor]

I mean Nvidia is a soulless corporation so pointing out how the tech has not lived up to the claims is fair

[coral valley]

It literally is though

Not gonna happen overnight

[tranquil elbow]

not gonna happen in 7 years either

[opaque harbor]

I mean it has taken too long

[tranquil elbow]

-40 fps but the rain puddles look better! fk yeah

[opaque harbor]

We should have seen much more progress like 4 years ago

[tranquil elbow]

it only costs 2500$, Hey why is my case on fire?

[lilac sable]

They got tied up with AI

[rigid thicket]

We get a lot of soulless/buggy games these days because of the focus on making things pretty. 🥲

[tranquil elbow]

oh cause they removed load balancing from their 2500$ card so a single cable is carrying 23 amperes

[lilac sable]

Nvidia don’t care about gamers anymore

[opaque harbor]

Ah yes from one scam to the next like with mining 😅

[tranquil elbow]

all good, keep bying nividia

[lilac sable]

Will do

[coral valley]

It's incredibly noticeable in facial models usually

[lilac sable]

I’ll just buy whatever is the best on the market

[opaque harbor]

So the 9070xt?

[tranquil elbow]

it does literally nothing to facial models unless its path tracing, which 2 games have

[rigid thicket]

I actually really hate that we can see every blackhead on a character's face these days 😂

[tranquil elbow]

keep a fire estinguisher nearby

[opaque harbor]

Since amd is the only one shipping hardware

[lilac sable]

Ok

[coral valley]

So is AMD, you should never treat a big company as anything else other than something you buy products from

[lilac sable]

I may just skip this gen. 4090 good enough

[opaque harbor]

Oh no I expect amd to get worse over time as well it's just Nvidia is ahead on that front

[tranquil elbow]

I love that a small chinese company gets completely obliterated cause they lied about a screen but people defend a company whose cards literally melt

[coral valley]

I'm not defending anything

[lilac sable]

Who’s defending?

[coral valley]

But yeah, I am still going to buy gpus lol

[tranquil elbow]

you're buying that shit and you just said you'll keep doing it

[rigid thicket]

In fairness, you can acknowledge something is bad and keep doing it.

[lilac sable]

I just said I’ll keep buying the best on the market

[tranquil elbow]

is a card that catches fire the best on the market?

[lilac sable]

Yes

[jolly kayak]

Ark Survival is sooooo goooood

[tranquil elbow]

aight cool I dont think there's any room for discussion lmao

Im gonna screenshot that though for when people ask me why I dislike nvidia fanbois

[coral valley]

If intel, AMD, or Nvidia, sell a card that appeals to my budget and wants I'll buy that. I'm not blindly loyal to any of these companies

[tacit gorge]

it certainly is amongst the hottest in the market.

[opaque harbor]

Eh I wouldn't oversell the 5090 it's eh

[lilac sable]

Which one are you gonna screenshot

[tranquil elbow]

this

[lilac sable]

Coming from a 4090, yeah

[jolly kayak]

Why do yall own a 4090

[opaque harbor]

Between a meh uplift for its specs, the high power draw, melting connectors, missing rops, driver issues, and terrible supply I can't really say the 5090 is actually good

[lilac sable]

Otherwise, it’s still the best in the market and will be for 2yrs

[coral valley]

Hopefully this generation doesn't only last 2 years

[opaque harbor]

3 years

[floral pebble]

Effective advertising

[lilac sable]

Nah the 5090 is just a 4090ti

[opaque harbor]

The gens will keep taking longer

[jolly kayak]

Lot of copium huffed for some reason

I got a 3070 and I don't expect to get a new one till it dies

[opaque harbor]

I am keeping out a eye on a new one slot card that is good but I have no idea what the amd aibs are planning

A 1 slot 9700 sounds neat

[jolly kayak]

Where tf did the money bags people go

Chat died immediately as I started reading

Elder what u got in ur rig?

[opaque harbor]

A 3060ti

[jolly kayak]

Hell ye

[coral valley]

I got a 4080

[opaque harbor]

Sadly good 1 slot cards are rare

[jolly kayak]

Elder what are u talking about

Is this on some SLI cope?

[opaque harbor]

I want to build a mini pc

[coral valley]

Ah

[jolly kayak]

Single fan card?

[opaque harbor]

And obviously fitting a large GPU in a very small system is not a option

[rigid thicket]

Usually, but literally just a card that only takes up 1 slot in thickness.

Or at least close to it.

[jolly kayak]

I thought 3070 is single slot

[rigid thicket]

Companies like to fudge the numbers and round down.

[coral valley]

I think I'm going to sell my 4080 rig tbh

I kind of want an egpu instead

[rigid thicket]

It's why building SFF is a nightmare, you can't trust numbers.

[south mantle]

To be completely fair, it’s technically user error causing it all. However, we wouldn’t be in this situation if Nvidia designed a connector that wasn’t so unabashedly dumb

12v High Power has just been a catastrophe

[tranquil elbow]

what user error? there have been reports of melting connectors with the supplied psu cables

[south mantle]

The failures are pretty much all linked to connectors not being. Seated properly

People not plugging them in all the way

But tbf, Nvidia should’ve just designed a locking mechanism

Like any normal engineer would

[tranquil elbow]

which, btw, they could've been easily avoided if nvidia left the power balancing in their 2500$ cards. Which, btw, the 3090ti had

they removed it for other generations

[tranquil elbow]

no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB75fEt7tH0

are you saying der8auer can't properly connect a cable?

[south mantle]

Oh I didn’t know there was an update on everything??

Last I had heard about the 12vHP debacle was how Nvidia hadn’t designed a proper locking mechanism and people were seating connectors in crooked but couldn’t tell

[tranquil elbow]

you're probably thinking of the 4090 which I think you are right about. 5090s just melt.

[south mantle]

Wait reallyyyyy?????

[tranquil elbow]

yeah

[south mantle]

I just assumed that it had to have been the same deal???

[tranquil elbow]

nvidia never fails to surprise us

[south mantle]

What on earth has Nvidia done this time?

Did they not learn?

||They haven’t bc gaming isn’t their main market anymore||

[tranquil elbow]

they do not care. Removing the load balancing chip saves them 2$ every 5090 they sell

and as you can see from this very chat people keep buying them cause "they're the best on the market"

[south mantle]

I really need Intel to kick things into high gear bc AMD isn’t gonna do it

[tranquil elbow]

so if you wanna blame someone you know who to blame now

[south mantle]

And I’m saying that while owning a 7900XTX

[tranquil elbow]

the newest AMD cards are a killer deal

the 9070xt in particular at MSRP is the best deal on the market atm

doesnt even catch fire

[south mantle]

Yea at MSRP the 9070/XT are very interesting

Unfortunately it’s kind of a sidegrade for me

But they do look nice

[tranquil elbow]

fair, it would be a decent upgrade for me but I dont need it

Ill pick one up when they go for 500€ maybe, and sell my 6800xt

[south mantle]

I’m just not confident AMD will actually try to compete seriously in the high end next gen

[tranquil elbow]

nah no chance

[south mantle]

Like they’ll exist there, but their pricing will be all wrong

[tranquil elbow]

if you want a 4k card you need to buy nvidia, and keep a fire estinguisher nearby

[south mantle]

I mean I run 1440p UW

So for now I’m fine

24GB’s of VRAM feels nice

[tranquil elbow]

AMD will definitely compete in the 1440p bracket

thats what they're targeting with their "high end" usually

[south mantle]

I mean the 7900XTX can do fine at 4K

I used to have a 4K monitor

It was alright, but I def prefer my 1440p UW

[tranquil elbow]

Im fine with 2560x1440 myself haha

[south mantle]

I’ll take the extra screen space over the higher PPI

Yea 1440p is still a solid spot

[tranquil elbow]

most pc games run like shit on every hardware anyway.

[south mantle]

I’ve just decided to only play Wii and GC era games from now on

This is my final battlefield

[rigid thicket]

Most PC games don't even demand that much unless you're doing 4K.

[tranquil elbow]

monster hunter wilds has entered the chat

its dragon dogma 2 with a steel chair!!!

[rigid thicket]

And you'd probably get better everything at 1440p with better settings than 4K anyway.

[tranquil elbow]

hell even avowed runs at 60 fps and it looks like shit lmao

skyrim ass game and cant even go beyond 60-70 fps

[south mantle]

Uhhhh HD2 and WH40K🥲

There are some CPU intensive outliers

VANILLA MINECRAFT

[rigid thicket]

Moooost, ahaha.

[tranquil elbow]

I wish they were outliers

when a game comes out runnin well (KCD2) people lose their mind cause omg, it runs well!

[south mantle]

me getting my 7800X3D for $340 way back when thinking I’d be safe

[rigid thicket]

AAA(A) games don't count because they've stopped caring for a while now.

[tranquil elbow]

you're safe, that's a beast of a cpu

[rigid thicket]

And all this framegen/AI upscaling stuff just lets them not care harder.

[tranquil elbow]

and for that price its a bargain. Friend of mine lives in china and can get me one for 320€ and Im seriously considering it even though I would need to change mobo

it goes for 400€+ in my country

[south mantle]

Fr I’m happy with it. I managed to get one at the old sale prices. Crazy to me that the new 7/9800X3D pricing bracket is like $450 now

[tranquil elbow]

well if you dont care about AAA games you dont even need an expensive gpu

[south mantle]

You see if you get a 7900XTX with 24GB’s of VRAM, you can just turn on AFMF2 for all games at the driver level. Who cares about VRAM consumption🙃🙃🙃

All games run above 100FPS now

Until they somehow manage to still not

[tranquil elbow]

the input lag though

melts like the bad guy from indiana jones

[south mantle]

Input what????

[rigid thicket]

I had a chance to grab a 7900XTX at half MSRP a while back and I passed on it because someone else "needed" it more than I did (they had like a 970 or something)

[south mantle]

You need proactive reflexes

[rigid thicket]

I'm so sad I didn't just go for it.

Well, like, mildly sad. I don't play any games that would've needed it I guess

[south mantle]

I mean all in all, you could get a 9070XT if you can find one at MSRP and roughly be in the same boat

[coral valley]

Yeah I keep seeing people say afmf2 is great on handheld pcs but I tried it on my legion go and it feels pretty bad

Maybe I'm just missing something

[south mantle]

I think it’s fine if you’re already above 100fps and the game is slow

[tranquil elbow]

framegen feels okay if the game runs at 50+ ish natively

[south mantle]

Like my monitor is 165Hz

[tranquil elbow]

if you use framegen to bring the framerate from 30 to 60 its gonna feel terrible

[south mantle]

If I’m getting 110fps, sometimes I’ll just flip it on

Def per game basis tho

[rigid thicket]

Framegen is best for getting more frames if you're already close or at 60+

[tranquil elbow]

depends on the game too, like a turn based rpg with input lag is almost unnoticeable

[coral valley]

Yeah usually fsr frame gen isn't as noticeable as driver level

[lilac sable]

Waterblock

[tranquil elbow]

a fps with input lag is gonna make you vomit

[rigid thicket]

Like, it's good for making a game smoother.

[south mantle]

It’s the only way I can make HD2 “get to my monitor refresh rate”

[tranquil elbow]

I swear HD2 got worse every patch

[south mantle]

It’s just frame smoothing

[tranquil elbow]

it ran at 110 at launch

[south mantle]

It literally did this time with what they did to bots

[rigid thicket]

But having it be required like Wilds did to hit 60 is hot garbage.

[south mantle]

They increased bot ai responsiveness, and it started to tank people framerate

[coral valley]

The re engine is something else lmao

[tranquil elbow]

I have framegen on in wilds, and it goes below 90 sometimes

its horrible

[coral valley]

It worked great for mhrise at least, but open world is a no go

[south mantle]

We’re living in one of the coolest but worst era’s in games

[lilac sable]

Re engine on open world is shit lol

[south mantle]

I mean we’re talking about ai upscaling of images and framerates, but it’s being horribly abused

[rigid thicket]

Coolest at AA and below, worst at AAA (and above )

[south mantle]

AAAA is a joke

[tranquil elbow]

thats because devs use upscaling and framegen as a crutch not to optimize their games

and I say devs but I mean suits, cause the only reason they do it is cause it's cheaper

Im sure the devs would love to optimize their games

[lilac sable]

So sad it’s come to this

[south mantle]

Framegen and upscaling should be an accessibility tool to enable kids to have the option to play larger games on iGPU’s

Not the literal standard for running a game normally on a dGPU

[rigid thicket]

That's what it was supposed to be.

But now you have AAA's using it as a crutch and Nvidia claiming it's the future.

[tranquil elbow]

4090 performance for 550$ guys

its true (with 4x framegen and enough input lag you can go make coffee after pressing a key)

[south mantle]

You need this

Latency from frame gen doesn’t matter when you have this

[rigid thicket]

And now they've removed PhyX support so the 50 series can't even play old games that relied on it well anymore

[south mantle]

Literally Ultra Instinct is required to play with multi-framegen

[tranquil elbow]

brb learning how to divine the future so I can use framegen

hey wait a second, they could use rollback on single player games

I see no flaws in this plan

[south mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-instinct-goku-gif-24087100

You use your Strat

I’ll use mine

Maybe one of us will figure out how to play with MFG

[tranquil elbow]

our battle will be legendary

[sacred kindle]

throwback to puddlegate

[tranquil elbow]

or something

[sacred kindle]

what? You want more soulless photorealistic mocaps? Let me introduce you to Immortal Heroes: The Game!

[south mantle]

Halo 4 cutscenes look way worse bc of the move to mocap alone. Don’t even need to talk about the other issues

[tranquil elbow]

hey at least indies are still good

[lilac sable]

Sucks but I can’t remember the last time I’ve used physx

[coral valley]

Halo 2 anniversary cutscenes 😩

[lilac sable]

That said, anyone try mirrors edge on winlator?

[south mantle]

I’m willing to say Blur cutscenes are dif

But in-engine cutscenes shouldn’t be mocap in Halo

It looks weird and worse

[coral valley]

Just use Shaq for Spartan 2s

[south mantle]

I’ll do you one better. Halo Wars Definitive Edition in Winlator

[lilac sable]

Oh I’m not a rts guy

[rigid thicket]

It's partially why they dropped support. CPUs are able to handle most physics stuff now so Nvidia didn't want to bother if devs were all offlloading to CPU anyway.

[south mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo-wars-arbiter-forge-sgt-forge-gif-5480559627726524633

Eat your green beans and like it

[rigid thicket]

Think the last time I saw PhysX as an option was one of the Borderlands games.

[coral valley]

My attention span is too short for rts

[south mantle]

That’s why you gotta play Halo Wars

It’s like the Arena fps of RTS

Best decision you’ll make

🥲 please play

We need more players…

[coral valley]

I've heard the halo wars 2 lore is pretty interesting so I will at some point

[south mantle]

Except the Flood lore. 343 nuked the lore for no reason

[lilac sable]

Does it have halo 4 Cortana?

[south mantle]

Yea. Every game does

[coral valley]

Mods

[south mantle]

Oh wait lol

I read that wrong😭

I thought you asked if every Halo game has Cortana lol

[lilac sable]

Fair enough

[south mantle]

Which I guess isn’t even true if we’re counting spinoffs

This chat is sure amazing

Flip 2 cool guys

[lilac sable]

Blame retroid for slow info

[rigid thicket]

It's not even info, everyone's just waiting for units now, ahaha.

For reviewers or for themselves.

[lilac sable]

True. I was thinking of the classic, rather than the flip2

[coral valley]

Still no demo videos

[tranquil elbow]

Ill take halo discussions over politics drama lmao

[rapid echo]

Is there no sales tax addon when ordering from goretroid when buying from US, just added shipping cost?

[jolly kayak]

That seems to be a shopify thing

[lilac sable]

https://videocardz.com/pixel/asus-rog-astral-rtx-5090-cards-now-sit-on-shelves-as-gamers-reject-3719-price

nice to see. people shouldnt be buying at these absurd prices

[jolly kayak]

Yall think the rp flip 2 will have a nice texture

[maiden radish]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-13762570480753436158

[jolly kayak]

I wanna play like, switch games I don't own on it or something idk

[tranquil elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/ninjas-snake-eyes-jump-attack-stealth-gif-21621745

the N-injas are coming

[south mantle]

I think Nintendo is asking you to rephrase

[jolly kayak]

Rephrase deez nutz

Seriously though

I own Celeste, Shovel Knight, goodboy Galaxy, Dredge, and so on. Lemme play it on a clamshell OLED

[south mantle]

I own Super Mario Galaxy

Let me play it on an OLED clamshell

[distant drum]

Good thing you don’t need permission.

[echo lynx]

I'm waiting for the PS3 and vita online stuff to go down

[south mantle]

So I don’t need to send priority mail to Nintendo?

[jolly kayak]

I just need Retroid to hurry tf up

[echo lynx]

The libraries will be unlocked once it's abandonware

[distant drum]

Damn I should put priority on playing my vita games or risk never being able to earn trophies for them.

[echo lynx]

It's not right to me to emulate what I don't own

Or what I can get and give money to the company for

But havent

[distant drum]

I’m like this for stuff that is still for sale by the publisher but once it’s not IDGAF.

I think postmaster is cool in that regard. You can buy the games from gog or android and stuff then pop them onto any device.

It’s obvious that people in this hobby aren’t shy about spending money. Just look at the number of devices people here buy ahhhaha

[jolly kayak]

Yeh if Nintendo doesn't provide a current way to buy the physical copy, fock em. And also if I have bought celeste twice already, I ain't paying for the switch version

[rapid echo]

How many more weeks we got for preorder?

[jolly kayak]

At least 2

[lilac sable]

so 2 weeks to cancel......

[echo lynx]

Precisely

But if a version of the game is available and I don't own jtI won't emulate it

That's why I don't emulate mgs for the gbc

I don't own the PC version that is for sale

[jolly kayak]

What is mgs

[distant drum]

Metal Gear Solid?

[lilac sable]

mario galaxy sunshine?

oh gbc

[south mantle]

Mario Galaxy 3

[lilac sable]

where is mario 128

[south mantle]

why is mario 128

[lilac sable]

sequel to mario 64?

we'll have to wait for the 128-bit systems i guess

[echo lynx]

i doubt we'll ever get there

[lilac sable]

mario quantum

[restive karma]

Industry trend is going mArIo tho

[lilac sable]

ohh... didnt realize metroid prime 4 is a switch game. cant wait to play it on the flip2

or i guess my switch lite when i get the super 5

im guessing its gonna be 30fps on switch 1, 60fps on switch 2?

[rigid thicket]

It's gonna be 30 on Switch 1 and 30 on Switch 2 but with better textures

[blazing compass]

dear god-

[jolly kayak]

Switch 2 will be as powerful as steam deck 🤯🤯🤯

[rigid thicket]

I hope the Switch 2 will let us choose rendering resolution if we prefer performance...but I guess that's what DLSS and junk will be for.

[coral valley]

That would actually be crazy if it is

[blazing compass]

wishful thinking, the 557 will destroy it performance wise

[coral valley]

Yes so will the 407m

[lilac sable]

and be more comfortable

[south mantle]

I like Flip 2

[lilac sable]

just watched the prime 4 trailer again. the aesthetics of the game really reminds me of halo 4

[coral valley]

wait I just realized you might be serious

[echo lynx]

557 wont do it

but my phone will easy'

sd8gen3

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-man-idk-i-dont-know-gif-27358524

[south mantle]

Guys

This dude stole my Flip 2

[blazing compass]

superserious

[coral valley]

super sp

super nintendo

[echo lynx]

SUPER SP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blazing compass]

SUPERRRRRRRRRRR

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/lone-wolf-sigma-skibidi-rizz-gif-15646566662405867061

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/mammoth-gif-26138836

[honest pond]

https://tenor.com/view/suuuper-franky-gif-19916037

[icy bramble]

This device is what the Switch Lite would be if it was actually good

[blazing compass]

this must be a super day, the superest day of all time!!!

so super!!!

[rigid thicket]

I'm still upset the Switch 2 isn't a Surface Duo style dual screen that can fold all the way back.
They just don't want the NDS/3DS/WiiU virtual console money I guess. 🥲

[coral valley]

You can't really play the more demanding switch games on this though

[icy bramble]

Didn't say you could

[coral valley]

Can't really be considered a switch lite then

[random tulip]

Yeah. Switch ultra lite

[south mantle]

Wii U?

[random tulip]

Basically a PS2. Heh

I mean it can play some of the games of the systems above it

[icy bramble]

I said it's what it would be if it was actually good, that implies that if it had Switch hardware inside it would be more optimal than what the Switch Lite is 🙃

[coral valley]

Oh well in that case yeah

Switch lite clamshell would go hard

[south mantle]

What is Switch battery life like?

I’ve never used mine portable

[snow basalt]

It's not bad tbh. I have all three versions and I've never felt let down by the battery life (other then sleep mode drain. Not terrible but not great) you will need to charge it after a long session but it'll get you through a commute or decent trip

[south mantle]

Gotcha

[restive karma]

I have a "maybe patched" old switch bought in 2018 and its battery only lasts <2 hours playing botw now.

[south mantle]

Marketing Slide

Flip 1 is actually a jet turbine engine

Takes in fresh air and then mixes it with fuel to create a force of propulsion out the back

[kind ridge]

It's why the hinge cracked. Couldn't handle the dynamic load

[south mantle]

Yea an afterburner can really push a frame too far sometimes

[urban jewel]

how is this thing not in anybody's hands yet lmao

[tacit gorge]

stubbs should know. he likes to eat handhelds.

[jolly kayak]

Are there individual APKs available for games like shovel knight?

I saw a post about UFO 50 having an APK that just needs the game files

[fluid stone]

UFO 50's case is a program that builds the apk as long as you put the game files in a designed folder. I never found something like that for Shovel Knight, I had to dig up an apk for the version that was released on like the Kindle Fire store or something like that lol

I know about Sonic Mania, Sonic 3 A.I.R., Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute, AM2R, UFO 50, Cave Story, and CrossCode as far as games you can build APKs for using game files

All of them I'm sure you could find pre-made APKs out there but those would be copyrighted and not allowed to be posted here

[jolly kayak]

Gotcha. I hope an android portmaster comes sometime soon then

This is all a bit tedious 😛

[fathom geyser]

Eh I expected a wait but they should be shipping any time now

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-waiting-spongebob-waiting-spongebob-waiting-forever-spongebob-meme-gif-12410484197149593225

[wintry oxide]

I know someone already said setting their clock ahead to mid-April didn't get them a shipping notification, so apparently Retroid patched that exploit.
🤔
Can someone set Retroid's clocks ahead to mid-April and see if they start shipping? 😜

[south mantle]

Real Wii fans are gonna play De Blob on their Flip 2’s

[fluid stone]

Hell yeah, de blob fans unite

[maiden radish]

What was that Wii game where you threw stuff at the jenga tower

BOOM BLOX

[south mantle]

https://youtu.be/q3JOh9oujkE?si=SxkXp69GwEwv6_rg

[south mantle]

Halo 3 Jenga

[strange glen]

Do we know when the reviews of flip 2 are going to come out yet?

[tacit latch]

no reviewers have had theirs shipped yet, so we are at least 2 weeks away assuming they start shipping them next week

sit tight

[south mantle]

But I wanna play De Blob on my Flip 2 now tho?

[jolly kayak]

I need my goodboy galaxy now

[south mantle]

Anyone play Tron Evolution: Battle Grids

[uncut crescent]

That's likely not going to happen anytime soon if at all

[south mantle]

Hear me out

War Thunder on the Flip 2

Using Winlator

[maiden radish]

I’m excited for the form factor. Clamshell is a lot better than a tablet style imo. Should make playing every game more enjoyable for me as long as it isn’t a flaming turd

[echo lynx]

Winlator isn't at that stage and probably never will be

Unless war thunder is Linux native

[south mantle]

I know people play it on there

https://youtu.be/MzkSEOP92SU?si=frZS1e-l-Z6t433H

[strange ivy]

I assume the obvious reason is that it's still being manufactured.

[strange ivy]

Expect them to be a week to a few days before preorders get shipped.

[rapid echo]

Will the Ice Blue be the same color/tone as the Pocket 4?

[blazing compass]

It seems like it’ll be a lot closer to green, not for everyone but personally I love it

[rapid echo]

I wish it was jungle green myself.

[rapid echo]

Left is Retroid Pocket 4 Ice Blue and the right is Retroid Pocket Flip 2 Ice Blue. Colors taken from official images on the sales pages.

[maiden radish]

That would slap

Unless that’s what the Xbox handheld is gonna look like and Microsoft told them no

[severe ridge]

microsoft has no say in colors that dont have their branding

[rapid echo]

Put on a vinyl og xbox logo sticker on the top

[opaque harbor]

well the cyan flip 2 aside

why do we think retroid added the top shell lines?

[restive totem]

Real Wii chads will play Prince Of Persia : The Forgotten Sands on the Flip 2

[distant drum]

Naw, the real Wii connoisseurs will be playing Wiiware titles like Castlevania ReBirth and My Life as a King.

[versed vigil]

I really wish the AYANEO Pocket Classic was just an AYANEO Pocket DMG with the G99 chipset and no touchpad instead of the G3X.

[versed vigil]

Like, that frankly at least sounds way better of an idea than wasting the money needed to get custom made Micro front panels without the stick openings, just to only be able to sell that stickless Micro for $10 less.

[coral valley]

Make it an 865 with two sticks and we got a deal

[versed vigil]

Hey, I’m only trying to make a better idea for a “Classic” than what AYANEO did, especially since it would at least be able to more easily fit in the $170 price range.

[restive totem]

The giga chads will play Little King's Story and Cursed Mountain

[coral valley]

I dont have a 3d printer or rp5 but I'll download it just in case

[south mantle]

WWII Aces

[rapid echo]

They need to make shell replacements with different transparent colors for sale later on.

[south mantle]

Where Flip 2?

[urban jewel]

pretty scummy of Retroid to make something available to buy that's still being manufactured, no?

which like, it's odd that it wouldn't even be the scummiest thing Retroid has done in recent memory 🙄

[south mantle]

I wouldn’t really call it scummy. It’s more of a “made to order” style of manufacturing which is a legitimate strategy because it can largely eliminate risk of ordering too many of a part you don’t need. This pre-order era just lets them get stock ready for launch and then I imagine they’ll send out a large first wave, then they’ll start sending out new orders from there as well as the remaining preorders

So long as they let people release reviews before launch to give people a chance to cancel, I really don’t see an issue

Regarding reviews relating to things like the hinge or the build quality/longevity of other parts, we likely won’t see credible “long term use” reviews until months after launch. That’s completely normal for any launch for a product, regardless of a pre-order period

[urban jewel]

the scummy part imo is charging $200+ for a product that hasn't been reviewed properly yet. Nobody knows if thing has some fatal flaw that would be a dealbreaker for them so they're just buying a spec sheet

at that point they might as well just be Ayaneo doing Indiegogo campaigns for their devices lmao

[tranquil elbow]

I don't see how it's scummy. No one's holding a gun to your head to pre-order a product that doesn't even exist yet.

Considering what happened with the mini, if you pre-ordered this you must be absolutely aware of the risk

[uncut knoll]

That's why i'm going to play the long play with the flip 2. I don't have any rush with the device until more reviews came out

[tacit gorge]

i don’t see your point tbh. at this point everyone should know what they are getting into. this is a pre sale of a chinese handheld.

[copper burrow]

how dare they offer presales, thats..... that's like killing kids with a baseball bat levels of bad

[restive totem]

It's on people and their lack of self control though. Retroid has a long rep of playing out people. The RP3 / RP3+ , that cringe with the mini ... people buy it at their own risk. I will only get one after watching a bunch of reviews.
Mind you , the only flawless release they had was the 2S.
It could be 200+ invested on something else like adding for a deck or the Portal

The handheld is suposed to be shipped mid April and we had zero reviews by now.
Mods on their discord even get triggered when you ask to see the other colors they have to offer ... and the people asking actually preordered the handheld

[versed vigil]

…Or people are just being complete idiots if they’re pre-ordering without bothering to consider the risks of that. If you don’t like it, you don’t need to pre-order it until there’s a review, or you can just flat out wait until it’s in people’s hands to decide.

No one’s forcing you to pre-order it.

[opaque harbor]

But as stubbs said this hobby is the sickness people have to collect everything and have little patience

[versed vigil]

…Also, I’m at a loss here on this point, because that’s literally what Ayn does as well, so unless you’re willing to call them scummy as well, that doesn’t even work.

[versed vigil]

So then they should be going to freaking Handheld’s Anonymous and trying to recover from their addiction if it unironically is that, and they’re incapable of even waiting.

[opaque harbor]

I am waiting on that Russ review

Before I buy a clear cyan

[versed vigil]

There we go, that’s what you should be doing.

You don’t need to pre-order day 1, you can wait until reviews are out.

[tranquil elbow]

you can even wait for a revision since V1s usually have kinks to be ironed out

the SP is my favourite retro handheld but I wouldn't have bought a v1

[tacit gorge]

but… but you are missing out on that sweet $10 discount! ha, who’s the idiot now? 🤡

[tranquil elbow]

and the miyoo flip v1... yeah

[versed vigil]

Nope, the RP5 is also now holding that title when it comes to not having hardware issues on release.

The whole reason we were pissed off is because Retroid was usually a lot better than they were with the Mini, and then they suddenly just decided to be way worse for no logical reason…and then we found out that reason, and it became outright stupid since they could’ve avoided this entire thing by using the proper screen from the start.

[tranquil elbow]

and armed with this knowledge, if you preorder anything, expecially from Retroid, it's on you

[uncut crescent]

Preordering anything nowadays is a risk that falls on the consumer at this point, not the manufacturer. They don't have a gun pointed at you or are bribing you to do so, especially if you know the risk involved and it's shown to be a repeated thing.

Its not scummy

[versed vigil]

Exactly, they went from having at least some credibility for “being willing to be transparent and fix day 1 issues for people at no extra charge” to having no credibility at all because fucking Christ, they literally were being completely awful for no good reason, and they outright could have avoided all of this by using the proper screen.

[tranquil elbow]

it's not even something you ahve any reason to do

[uncut crescent]

It's how most businesses have done it for while

People chose to preorder out of interest or hype

[tranquil elbow]

the only upside is... a 10$ discount? Is a 10$ discount worth the gamble? I dont think so

I don't want to snoop into anyone's pockets ofcourse, but if you can afford a 219$ handheld you can afford a 229$ one

[uncut crescent]

Its why im just waiting for reviews on the Classic before I spend my money

[tranquil elbow]

(does that saying work in english lol)

[uncut crescent]

and before I trade in my Odin 2 for the Portal once they finish up their back log

[versed vigil]

It’s outright worrisome on something like an Anbernic device.

You’re telling me you’re offering $10 off your already cheap device right from the get go for people who order within 3 days of release? What’s the catch? How good is the QC?

(The answer is it’s literally never good).

[tranquil elbow]

it does smell a bit fishy, yeah

[versed vigil]

Like, at least Pre-orders make sense to have an early bird, since that’s literally just standard for most of these devices.

Putting an Early Bird discount for what is unironically a regular order that is in fact supposed to be shipped as soon as they can is really scummy, especially for Anbernic’s usual quality control.

[tranquil elbow]

sure but if you buy into the early bird offers you're basically agreeing to be a beta tester for the product and we're back to square one

[versed vigil]

You’re pretty much saying to people “sure, you can wait for AliExpress Choice day…or you can get it right now!”.

[tranquil elbow]

I'm not saying omg don't do it, I'm saying, be aware of what you're doing

[versed vigil]

Exactly, and meanwhile people still end up being exactly that for Anbernic, except they’ll never bother doing any better on fixing issues that aren’t widespread, so those little things you’ll find? If only some of the sold units have it, they don’t care.

[tranquil elbow]

Ive never bought a retro handheld at launch and I don't think I will

expecially from China since you're basically on your own if something goes wrong

[versed vigil]

Yup, that’s what I’ve been saying after what happened with the Mini. I’m still willing to pre-order the Classic because I literally cannot even see how they could mess that up, but that’s still the risk I’m taking, they logically can in fact potentially mess it up.

Meanwhile I’m literally refusing to pre-order the Flip 2 because I’m waiting until Gamma or other CFW devs get it.

[tranquil elbow]

yeah, the important thing is being aware of it

[restive totem]

I am not getting the classic because i am sure it does nothing more than my TrimUI brick can do tbh , and it's pretty weird they haven't posted pictures/ videos of it and the SOC is a surprise , they're using the trust me bro method.
I know what i am getting into with them and will get a Flip 2 , after reviews from both big and small channels. I don't mind waiting for revision either.
We don't have options in this market , it's either Retroid , Anbernic or getting ripped by Aya. Atm Retroid has the better handheld

On the price range i mean

[random tulip]

Every Manu has their uh-oh moments. The RP mini was an oh-man moment. Brave souls pre-ordering on the heels of that 😆

[sage moat]

Yeah I kinda expect less from products coming from China they have a reputation for a reason the fact we get any level of high quality from some of these handhelds feels like something unheard of even 5-6 years ago

Pre 2019 handhelds were just... not good and before then you mostly had famiclones and things you wouldn't recommend even at the time

[random tulip]

Yeah. We're def in a good place

[south mantle]

No one has to pre-order? I could understand it if this product was live and Retroid refused to send review units out, but this isn’t that case

[naive hollow]

Still not entirely sold

I want the ice blue but I know transparent plastic has issues

[rigid thicket]

Pre-ordering has always been a risk regardless of the product.
Any sense of "trust" or company reliability only lasts until they screw up.
And they all screw up eventually.

From a business standpoint, pre-orders on made to order style stuff is just a cost savings measure.
They save on knowing how many units to produce.
They save on bulk shipping products in crates to different areas.

[naive hollow]

Yeah n retroid has a pretty rocksteady track record of fudging stuff on launch

I want both but also don’t want to preorder

[rigid thicket]

But yeah, don't pre-order unless you can figuratively throw that money away

[naive hollow]

Fair enough

I’ll have to wait then

[rigid thicket]

It's bad enough when a pre-order falls through or leads to a bad product. It'

s worse if you financially strained yourself to do so.

[naive hollow]

Been riding the “wait till the launch issues are found and fixed” boat since the RP3

[rigid thicket]

You're a better person than most here 😂

Me included because I pre-ordered 🤣

[naive hollow]

I have them in my cart lol

[rigid thicket]

But I understand all the risks so I won't complain either way, it's on me.

[fathom geyser]

Man the 2S barely got any promotion yet it was one of the best releases with no issues, it was what got me into the hobby

2 photos on instagram and one youtube video

[naive hollow]

Seriously, it’s my favorite retroid device

[manic grove]

they discontinued the 2s without a true successor, a real shame

[fathom geyser]

Classic is close

Not quite there

[manic grove]

I was about to say

[naive hollow]

Ye not quite

[fathom geyser]

Classic is neat tho, I will most likely be getting one if they do these well

[manic grove]

put classic screen on that rp2s body and it would be #1 budget handheld again

[rigid thicket]

Verticals hit me in the nostalgia, but I can't stand using them, ahaha.

[naive hollow]

I can’t decide between poke yellow classic and Saturn

[ripe flare]

Classic screen and chip in fully plastic variant of the Mini shell imo

[manic grove]

there's something charming about the boxy rp2 form factor lol

[ripe flare]

i suppose you're right

it does look really cool

[naive hollow]

My bank’s pay in 4 systems also really didn’t like the retroid site

Otherwise I’d have them ordered by now

[strange ivy]

This is the dumbest thing I’ve read in a while. We do this all the time.. When you go to a restaurant or buy from a food stall. When you make a custom order for a piece of clothing or tech. All those things are orders for things before they’re made.

[naive hollow]

This is definitely a take

Feels like bait

[strange ivy]

Definitely bait. Good thing you don’t earn perks for people engaging in what you say/do on Discord.

[restive karma]

Gambling is fun what are you guys on about

[naive hollow]

99% of gamblers quit right before they win big

Don’t be a loser

[floral pebble]

Gambling is more fun when you can win something

If you gamble on it and it turns out to be a great device, you "win" but if it doesn't you lose.
If you don't gamble on it and it turns out to be a great device you can just buy it then and win anyway.

[dense heart]

Wait, I thought it was a privilege to be a part of the research and design team

[random tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/gladiator-we-who-are-about-to-die-salute-you-gif-8208254152447993375

[tranquil elbow]

I wanted a 2s so bad but it was sold out everywhere except nutjob stores that were selling it for like 180€

When its msrp was 99$

[manic grove]

from time to time you may see one pop up on RH marketplace

definitely not as frequently anymore though

[tranquil elbow]

I have bad OCD so buying used is not something I really do unfortunately

Also RH marketplace is 98% US :(

I can buy like, used music hardware but stuff with a screen would not let me sleep. OCD is fun

[dense heart]

https://tenor.com/view/yshtola-yshtola-rhul-rhul-ffxiv-ff14-gif-22728978

[tranquil elbow]

Hell yeah shtola

[dense heart]

Ready for the next tier to drop?

[tranquil elbow]

Yeah, I don't have a static anymore so I'm going in super casual but I loved the first one

[dense heart]

casual is the way to go I like having my fun w/o the sodium. Loving the Cyberpunk vibe they have going with everything.

[tranquil elbow]

Yeah same haha

Might be my favorite raid tier ever

[dense heart]

Gundam furry cloud will forever be locked in my memory

[restive totem]

If they put a SD in it = perfect handheld
I'd take it over the mini every day

[naive hollow]

Someone tell me not to preorder

[severe ridge]

No balls

[strange ivy]

No

[ripe flare]

do not (not) preorder the sexy transparent beach-blue flip

[naive hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

Guess I gotta preorder it now

[severe ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-patrick-best-bad-influence-ever-gif-14172717

[jolly kayak]

I hope Flip 2 is a raging success

[south mantle]

I do too

[naive hollow]

Now what color

Ice blue?

I’ll be getting poke yellow in the classic

[south mantle]

GC

Only

[ripe flare]

i cant believe you betraying the 6 button guild...

[naive hollow]

I like it but like

It won’t do accurate saturn

[jolly kayak]

Im getting black and swapping the ABXY for yellow green blue yellow whenever they made flip 2 buttons available

[opaque harbor]

you can wait for reviews at least

[naive hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-no-stare-insane-gif-15932475392841589612

[naive hollow]

That would be the responsible thing to do… but I’m not responsible

[floral pebble]

You can't trust reviews to catch every single issue.

And even then, ergonomic choices vary, the only sure way is to test it yourself.

[jolly kayak]

At the end of the day, I think buying things after narrowing your preferences is the only way to find out

[south mantle]

Flip 2 is the only option for what I want

So I’ve bought it

[opaque harbor]

But you at least wait for them 😅

[floral pebble]

I'm waiting on the cow colorway like any reasonable person should.

[strange ivy]

After the whole Mini debacle, it better be. Retroid has to redeem themselves with the Flip 2 and Classic

[tranquil elbow]

reviews at this points are days away

[restive totem]

When the first review finally drops

[urban jewel]

you can disagree without being a dick about it, thanks.

[urban jewel]

???

[urban jewel]

"Definitely bait" well no, it's my opinion. I don't bait. And even if I did, there'd be no reason to do it in discord.

y'all are wild lmao

I want this device

zero shot I'm buying without a few reviews coming down the pipeline too

seems irresponsible to do in a post-RP Mini screen controversy world

[opaque harbor]

I would advise against ordering before reviews but it is worth remembering what hobby this is 😅

[stray dagger]

the hobby is about rushing to buy the next handheld, fuck reviews

[urban jewel]

yeah I gotta keep in mind there are people in here who basically just collect these things lol

[opaque harbor]

you should have seen the devise quality that used to be common like 5 years ago

I used to have the old bitboys

[stray dagger]

I mean, Miyoo still makes such garbage quality

[opaque harbor]

I also remember the lead up to the 199

[urban jewel]

5 years ago I didn't have any handheld systems at all and my only computer was a 2017 Dell laptop with an i5 7300HQ and a 1050 ti 😂

[naive hollow]

I said “feels like bait”

[sacred kindle]

still beats my 2016 940mx acer laptop

load of overpriced garbage that thing was

[urban jewel]

I definitely feel you on that. One of my biggest regrets was not just paying up a lil bit for an i7 7700HQ and 1060 on that Dell laptop. Would've lasted longer

[sacred kindle]

oh i got mine all the way back in 2019 for like 700 USD; not even SSD. Biggest rip off

Last year got a used ryzen 5800u 2n1 touchscreen just for 330$. So much better for my use case + fantastic battery compared to the previous one

[urban jewel]

Hell yeah. Just last year I got an Acer Swift Edge 16 with a 6800U in it and a UHD+ OLED display. Only cost like $530 plus tax. I love that thing. Just wish it had more RAM. Soldered RAM is the bane of my existence.

[strange ivy]

I mean, you were the one calling them scummy first despite preorders being something normal in everyday life.. So, likewise. You're welcome to comment about the way they do things without being a dick about it as well. Are you surprised you got responded to in kind?

Anyway, you do you boo.

[manic grove]

and that's a good stopping point for that argument scratch that I'm gonna throw something out there

[tribal plover]

according to gamers nexus retroid pocket is working with Samsung to put the upcoming snapdragon g3 gen 3 in some unannounced project

so probably a pocket 5 pro i guess?

[severe ridge]

#1351223469873958963

[opaque harbor]

if it is not a clamshell how exciting is it really?

[tribal plover]

oh damn

I did not see that lmao

[naive hollow]

if it's $400 that's not really exciting...

[manic grove]

my opinion is preordering in general is not a wise choice but that's not at all new to retroid or this hobby

[gentle badge]

also a huge step backwards from the sd865 in terms of firmware and software support

I don't think there's really anywhere to go from sd8g2 and sd865 until something new gets mainlined, there's simply no need for more power at the expense of losing all the advantage of a mainline SoC

[manic grove]

I really wish the status quo didn't shift into giving companies interest free loans but I'm just yelling into the void here lol

[severe ridge]

no i agree

[strange ivy]

Agreed

[severe ridge]

what we get for that "loan" tho as a community is at least a modicum of input on the final design(at least with retroid/ayn)

vs anbernic askes nothing and just shits out a product

no loan, just gimme money

same with miyoo, for all the good that does them

[manic grove]

for reasons I'm putting retroid on the same tier as anbernic right now

maybe below

[gentle badge]

honestly I think that's why anbernic successfully designs multiple unique handhelds instead of slight variations on PS2 playing homer cars

[limpid ledge]

And it's work for them

Retroid and Ayn won't get away with that due to the chip and price

[strange ivy]

I find it interesting that the RP6 will be getting a flagship Snapdragon chip.. I'd assume they've always positioned themselves in this middle ground to avoid competing with AYN.

Seems like that's all about to change

[naive hollow]

yeah retroid has slowly been moving away from that middle ground

[limpid ledge]

I think it would make sense but it depends on the price

Because you have to think about odin 2

[naive hollow]

then again people always want more so these companies just make more powerful and more expensive devices

[tranquil elbow]

they've been creeping up

RP4 was 149 baseline, RP5 was 219

[limpid ledge]

Pro version was 199

[tranquil elbow]

wouldnt be surprised if RP6 has a 865 and 300$

[tranquil elbow]

yes, thats why I said baseline

[strange ivy]

Considering the RP6 will have a high-end chipset. I can't imagine it being cheaper than the Odin 2

[limpid ledge]

It's not sd865 it's better than that

[tranquil elbow]

sorry I meant a 8gen2

or something like that

[strange ivy]

We already know what the RP6 will have.

[gentle badge]

g2g2 which I believe is currently rumoured to still be weaker than s8g2

[limpid ledge]

It is like bit worse than 8 gen2 but better than 888 and Sd 8 gen 1

[strange ivy]

I wonder who'll be making midrange devices when Retroid no longer fits the bill.. Besides Anbernic.

[tranquil elbow]

anbernic with a moustache

[limpid ledge]

Bad news is since Odin 2 models get linux support it can be difficult but at the same time can be cheaper than odin 2

[tranquil elbow]

(fake)

[limpid ledge]

I think magicx have a good chance If they can deliver

[coral valley]

I dont think it's unlikely that retroid would still make different tiers of handhelds tbh

[tranquil elbow]

yeah the flaghsip and the cheaper one with the fake screen

[coral valley]

They've built their brand off of being mid range, so jumping straight to ayaneo level without any other available options just doesn't seem like something they'd do

[naive hollow]

they've been creeping closer and closer

[limpid ledge]

If they can tho it would be better than ayaneo itself

[manic grove]

retroid left behind a void in the market where the rp2s was

[coral valley]

They've still stayed out of odin range so far

[naive hollow]

so far

[limpid ledge]

Let me be real Ayaneo is very overrated except the design wise

[naive hollow]

sounds like that's coming to an end if rumors are true

[coral valley]

That's a big if imo

[limpid ledge]

To be honest it would be good competition tho

[coral valley]

There's a big gap in performance between an 865 and g3 gen 3, definitely a middle ground to be had

[limpid ledge]

G3 Gen 3 nothing excited to about it when Ayaneo is going to use it and underdelived like every time

[coral valley]

Because the odins have also progressively gotten more expensive

[limpid ledge]

Ayn odin it's really justified when it comes to them because the power and good support and build quality

[coral valley]

Yeah I agree, I just think that while retroid has gotten more expensive over time, so has ayn, so I can't really see retroid stopping that pattern soon

[naive hollow]

where does it end tho

i loved my rp2s cuz it was $100

retroid isn't going after that audience anymore

that's lost customers

[coral valley]

The classic is that isn't it

[limpid ledge]

Good question unfortunately when it comes to Chinese companies they have to make devices to make money

[uncut crescent]

And while sure, the Classic is around 2S range, it isn't the same

[coral valley]

No sticks sure but a similar price range

[naive hollow]

true but a device doesn't have to me epensive to be profitable

look at anbernic

or trimUI

[limpid ledge]

Anbernic is bigger company they have to do the same but since all devices are in ali express they can take a break but not too long

[coral valley]

I think it's worth keeping in mind that until recently, retroid was still selling the 2s and the rp3, so they didn't have as much incentive to create a budget device while they were getting rid of stock

[uncut crescent]

I think where Retroid is leaving, people like TrimUI and MagicX is gonna fill the void

[limpid ledge]

Exactly

[uncut crescent]

Its clear MagicX is trying to crack the market and bring something new to the table for reasonable prices and TrimUI is slowly gain more popularity with each device they make

Anbernic is still Anbernic

[coral valley]

Keyword slowly, I'm dying for the next trimui

[limpid ledge]

What I can see is Ayn and Retroid stepping into pc handheld but it would be arm version

[uncut crescent]

More AYN in that field than Retroid

[jolly kayak]

Imo Anbernic still king of GBA and older

[manic grove]

counterpoint, rp2s was a "generalist" handheld that appealed to everyone who was okay with a 3.5" screen, classic is a more niche "specialist" handheld appealing to peeps who only care for stickless systems (which handhelds far cheaper than that could do)

[limpid ledge]

Especially ayn it would make sense ayn to take that step we have to wait for that

[naive hollow]

nah the classic is more niche than all around

[coral valley]

@jolly kayak right, but they still had the rp2s and rp3 on their website like a few months back. That's not enough time to come to the conclusion that retroid isn't making budget devices anymore

[uncut crescent]

Tbh, while retroid won't do it fully, what they should do is fix the Mini's screen to be the same as the Classic (something they are doing now) and drop the price to 150

[naive hollow]

they stopped making them months ago, they've been emptying stock

[manic grove]

it feels like forever since they discontinued rp2s lol

[jolly kayak]

I missed the rp2s boat

[limpid ledge]

100%

[coral valley]

Well yeah that's my point, they had no need to make any new ones until recently

[uncut crescent]

The Mini feels more like a generalist device

[limpid ledge]

Retroid need to take advantage of rp mini drop it to 150 easy money

[naive hollow]

tech has also come a long way since then, they could've made a more poerful device for the same price

look at 405 vs 406 devices

[uncut crescent]

And while yes, it would be selling it at a loss, it would make it the best generalist device within a reasonable price while still having the 5 and Flip 2 be the more expensive options

[limpid ledge]

405 with t820 would so beautiful that it would make gamma cry like a baby

[coral valley]

Well technically the classic is that at least in power, but i don't think they wanted to cannibalize their stock just yet

[naive hollow]

classic isn't in the same class at the 2s tho

classic has no sticks

[uncut crescent]

The 2S and the Mini are more comparable

[naive hollow]

yeah

in use case not price lol

[uncut crescent]

The Classic is more it's own thing

[limpid ledge]

Classic is like vertical analogue pocket but budget

[jolly kayak]

When the classic is a regression of the ayaneo gameboy

[naive hollow]

trimUI brick:

[uncut crescent]

Nah, more upgraded Brick/Sidegrade Analogue Pocket

[limpid ledge]

Ermmm sure but more power tho

[jolly kayak]

As opposed to the non vertical analogue pocket lol?

[naive hollow]

fair enough

[jolly kayak]

Not a side grade cuz it's cheaper

[limpid ledge]

Okay better ayaneo dmg without the stick

[jolly kayak]

🤨

Would've been better with a stick imo

[uncut crescent]

Cheaper, true. More powerful, yes. Better, eeeeh

[jolly kayak]

They had a chance to take the shot, have a stick and 6 buttons, and they aimed the gun at their foot instead

[manic grove]

that's a dangerous opinion

I totally agree though

[coral valley]

Wouldn't the rp4 base be their budget offering rn?

[limpid ledge]

I agree with this statement

[jolly kayak]

RP4 base 🫣🫣🫣 real chat

[limpid ledge]

Rp4 base sold out I swear

[coral valley]

Ig it did damn

[limpid ledge]

Rp4 base got violated by rp4 pro and the price doesn't make sense in the first place

[strange ivy]

At the end of the day, Retroid does niches well IMO.

They just gotta redeem themselves now. That is all.

[coral valley]

$150 for a d900 seems fair imo at least at the time of release, that's about what anbernic charges for their higher end

[tacit gorge]

would be hilarious if they went straight through another rp3/3+ fiasco.

[versed vigil]

It’s funny, but that actually seems to be the opposite case for the most part on specifically Chinese clamshell stuff.

Even the GBA SP usually has better plastic for its transparent aftermarket shells than opaque options.

Obviously there are still exceptions, but it’s funny nonetheless.

[strange ivy]

Ultimately depends on the quality of plastic used at the end of the day. If solid and transparent plastic were of "equal" quality, the transparent one should technically still fail quicker since it's more brittle than solid plastic.

Well hopefully Retroid learnt their lesson and use a better quality plastic for the Flip 2

[naive hollow]

Hopefully

[versed vigil]

Yup, hence why I always found it funny. It really does seem like the inherent brittleness just encourages companies to use legit better quality transparent plastic just to ensure it remains fine under normal use and they don’t have to refund it before the 15 days.

[strange ivy]

Hmm. Now I'm questioning whether I should keep my US SNES choice or switch to the Ice Blue

[versed vigil]

Eh, I wouldn’t expect it to be the case here, since most companies with a big enough name learn better if they mess it up.

Funnyplaying’s too big to avoid the same anonymity that most unbranded opaque shell makers have, so they end up having to make the only legit good quality opaque SP shells just because they would get people going after them and “it’s only a few extra dollars” (although even then they occasionally let some stuff slide, which ends up proving the point once again on there being no such thing as a completely 100% guarantee on it being good).

[limpid ledge]

But even that the shipping was too closer to rp4 pro

[south mantle]

Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity

[icy bramble]

Man thinking about how I rented that still kinda burns lol

[vital belfry]

The tier below MagicX ,right? 👀

[tacit latch]

source? did they have an aneurysm and confused the Qualcomm announcement with Samsung or did we miss a major development here

[jolly kayak]

They should've done orange spice color for flip 2

[naive hollow]

They should’ve done GBA indigo

I wouldn’t have thought twice

[limpid ledge]

Or sliver

Hot take tho I rather have sliver or black gamecube than indigo

[opaque harbor]

zelda gold 🤔

[tranquil elbow]

but slivers are all colors 🤔

[fathom geyser]

Wavebird would make me really happy, but I still like OG gamecube

[tacit gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/jizz-cum-in-pants-gif-21342476

[jolly kayak]

Fr

[tacit latch]

I'm still gutted that the silver Odin 2 portal didn't happen

we had one chance at a silver handheld

and Reddit ruined it

[coral valley]

Per usual

[echo lynx]

Take my downvoot!

[limpid ledge]

Broooo I was so pissed even worse indigo was the worse one

[crimson verge]

Any news of when review units will be sent out?

[limpid ledge]

Eah

Rah

They are treating this like a do or die wish

[restive totem]

Retroid " Why do you need reviews , bro. Just preorder it, bro. Just trust us bro "

[naive hollow]

[opaque harbor]

Well anyway

Do we think the flip 2 will use the rp5 fan?

[naive hollow]

is that a good fan

[tacit latch]

there was this a couple days ago

it seems they want to cook them for a bit longer before sending out review units

updates would be nice though

like "we are working on fixing bugs" or something

[naive hollow]

well then how realistic is the "Mid April" release

[opaque harbor]

I am not sure 😅

[naive hollow]

smells a little stinky to me

but we'll see i guess

[fossil timber]

It is definetely odd that they would open something for preorders before the their two new devices were finished.
That would be like Tesla opening orders for a truck before the design was finalized, and then spending years developing the thing before releasing it at a much greater price and poorly built.

[naive hollow]

Early review units can be good for finding and fixing possible issues as long as reviewers treat it as such

[limpid ledge]

I hear it

[tranquil elbow]

They're obviously terrified of fucking it up like they did for the mini

This is good for us consumers

They also know the consoles will be under very scrupolous scrutiny after what happened to the mini so they want to make them as good as they can for reviews

This is also good.

[blazing compass]

this must be a bug fables reference

[restive totem]

And what about the preorder stuff ? On paper they have 15 days to ship it 😂

[restive totem]

Problem is , the huge channels won't really call that stuff out
Minus Wulf Den because he always calls them out on every release and also Joey.

[naive hollow]

Well there's a difference between pointing out possible problems before mass production and being joey

[restive totem]

The curtain always falls ( sadly ) on forums like this one or FB , when the regular costumer points out the tech flaws of what they bought ( again sadly ). These are the real "reviews"

[naive hollow]

Besides I'd rather have a "beta product" go out to reviewers than straight to the consumers

Seems like that's what's gonna happen this time unfortunately

[jolly kayak]

Wulf Den mentioned omegalul

[restive totem]

That actually should be the case here.
I don't mind seeing a beta product and the reviewer treating it as what to expect from the product when this or that gets fine tuned

[restive totem]

It would also be like :" Can i see a video or picture of the truck i ordered "

Tesla " No"

[tacit latch]

to be fair to Joey, when he got his RP5 review unit there were a bunch of software issues and he chose to wait until these were ironed out before reviewing it (since the RP5 wasn't shipping yet)

but yeah it looks like Retroid simply doesn't want to take any chances this time

[fossil timber]

But not as crazy as shipping a production final product that doesn’t work in cold weather, or has glue holding body panels that melts in direct sun.

What a stupid design that would be

[strange ivy]

I'd rather them ship out a production unit to reviewers than a beta/prototype. They have to absolutely redeem themselves after the Mini shitshow. What better way to redeem themselves than to ship out a production unit without flaws to prove a point that what customers will be getting will be flawless as well.. But this is a double edge sword of course. If there are defects then they're fucked.

[manic grove]

I don't see the mid april target shipping timeline being realistic anymore

they need to delay

[restive totem]

Or the windshield , that they simply cut off from a bunch of Prius they bought in bulk and sold as Tesla custom because they thought the average consumer would never know.
That would be really stupid from Tesla.

[strange ivy]

Was never realistic. The RP5 had a delay. The Mini had a bit of a delay IIRC. A delay was expected.

Would be happier if Retroid took their time and do it right than to meet a deadline.

[naive hollow]

Which is a damn shame cuz I was hoping for this or the classic as a birthday present for myself

But again I’d really want these to be complete before shipping

Gotta do what ya gotta do

Still can’t decide between pkmn yellow and Saturn for the classic

Pretty set on ice blue tho

As long as the plastic isn’t super glossy

[random tulip]

I dunno man. Has a real feeling of let's rush exciting announcements to get communities excited and stop talking about mini

[worn pike]

how was the rp5? i remember russ mentioned some games on ps2 didn't run well vs like the odin2.

[limpid ledge]

It was the plan but mini situation overshadowed it

[worn pike]

man... id be down for a mini flip

[south mantle]

Idk about all that. If anything, I think the mini delayed Flip 2 announcements

We were getting consistent news and then had like two weeks of silence after the mini thing came to a head

[severe ridge]

they were all games that have optimization issues, the only reason they ran on odin2 and not rp5 was just cuz your throwing more hardware at it

[worn pike]

hmmm

[severe ridge]

jak3 and shadow of collosus were two of the notables

which also challenged even that actual ps2

[serene storm]

in its current state I actually think this is being handled well.. unless shipping dates gets pushed further back

and then we will see if it did actually alleviate first batch issues

[opaque harbor]

that sounds familiar almost like a gba sp retro handheld clearly a novel concept

[worn pike]

i love my 35xxsp, but more power and can charge properly with a usb-c pd charger, im down

[opaque harbor]

we deffinately don't have 3 of those out from different companies right now

[worn pike]

im down to check out a flip2 tho... but yea after reviews and other 'launch woes'

can't shove my portal in my pocket easily lol

[opaque harbor]

a ds lite form factor is so under used currently

and I find a rectangular form factor for a clamshell better then square

the gba sp was neat during its time but the ds line was alot better I find and I still have my originall gba sp and ds lite

[distant drum]

Chris is back?

[distant drum]

This is the most epic gotcha I’ve seen this month.

[fossil timber]

Thank you

[tranquil elbow]

😭 SOTC was one of the games I was planning to play first

[copper burrow]

Jak 3 is a chonk 😄

[echo lynx]

magicX flip

[maiden radish]

Letting them take their time is a good thing. No one’s forcing us to pre order. Hope it’s delivered as a quality product. This is only gonna be an issue if June hits and theres no units in people’s hands imo

[jolly kayak]

All I can do is look at the store web page

[south mantle]

I think people are getting too antsy about this thing exploding in people’s hands

Yea it’s true that it could have a ton of defects and pre-ordering is a wild risk, but it could also be perfectly fine

Given the platform it gets a lot of parts from, I think we should give it the benefit of the doubt as opposed to freaking out bc the mini

[random tulip]

The wisemans take. Could be bad or good or neither or both

[south mantle]

Yea

Just let reviews come out when they come out

And we’ll go from there

[random tulip]

Water is wet. It's true

But yeah. Not necessarily a fan of huge preorder windows. But hopefully they come sooner rather than later

[south mantle]

How long till someone comes in here with the spiel that water isn’t wet

[tranquil elbow]

the "this take means absolutely nothing" take

It could be good, bad, neither, or both

wow!

[tacit gorge]

there you have it. almost 20 min.

[random tulip]

Haha. Yup

[versed vigil]

It’s such an incredible statement, almost as if that’s the exact reason why a good amount of people are hesitant.

[tranquil elbow]

no no you see, the wise man said it could be any of these things

[tranquil elbow]

so you should stop worrying

[random tulip]

Or talking about it

Just sit back and let it happen

[tranquil elbow]

making a decision informed by your previous experiences?

what are you, a self-conscious being?

[random tulip]

I wish it was that low effort

In all seriousness I think it's only right people should share their concerns

And there is some validity to them

Discord is meant for discourse

It's in the name

[south mantle]

I do think there’s a difference between sharing concerns and giving needlessly one sided fear mongering

Like yea the mini happened, but like it’s based on the RP5, which was fine

So like, let’s just see what happens

I’m leaning towards favorable bc RP5

[tranquil elbow]

wait wait wait, is "yeah, one of the last things they released didn't have the screen they said it had, and then they lied for weeks about it, and refused to do anything about it for more time until they realized it would kill their brand" fear mongering?

[south mantle]

About a product that’s functionally not related when we do have a product that’s directly related that released fine

[random tulip]

Based sure. But also pretty different short of screen and chipset. Imagine most of the PCB layouts is different. Hinges, ports, etc

[tranquil elbow]

of the same brand

[south mantle]

People are ignoring the RP5 needlessly bc the Mini