Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[sacred kindle]

my previous job was chill enough that I'd check discord/watch russ rgc on youtube

didn't pay well though so i quit

[sweet shuttle]

Man

It's been a month since the last time Russ reviewed a new handheld

[sacred kindle]

Right???? Anbernic hurry tf up

need my snacks time

[spring terrace]

i feel like i saw something about him traveling or otherwise taking some time off? i might be mixing him up with someone else though

[sacred kindle]

Taking some time off
iirc he might be scaling down on youtube since he made less in 2024 than in 2023

[spring terrace]

oh right the repeat adpocalyspes of youtube

[wooden phoenix]

Yeah if you have crazy down time it probably doesn't pay well. Unless you're the boss 😅

[sacred kindle]

unfortunately!

[fluid stone]

Vertical. Horizontal. Clamshell. Long ago, the form factors lived in harmony, but everything changed when the Retroid nation attacked. Only the Anbernic, master of all form factors, could restore harmony. But when the world needed it most, it vanished.

A hundred years passed and my Russ and I discovered the new Anbernic, a horizontal h700 with a 3.7 inch screen named RG37XX, and though it's emulation skills are great, it's got a lot to learn before it's ready to save anyone. But I believe the RG37XX can save the world.

[coral valley]

3.7 inch screen, you don't mean...

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[spring terrace]

when is magic x gonna make an x shaped device

and live up to their brand name

[coral valley]

Hey stop distracting them, I need my dual screen first

[spring terrace]

right right, ship that first

then we can talk

[coral valley]

X shaped handheld with screen in the middle, different controls on all four ends

The ultimate versatile handheld

[spring terrace]

why swap keycaps, just flip the device to orient with the ones you want!

[coral valley]

Actually doesn't sound like that bad of an idea 🤔

Most controllers have grips at an angle, so ergonomics wouldn't be too bad either

[jolly kayak]

I wanna play pvz DS on the flip and hold it up vertically like it's a booklet

[south mantle]

Ooooooh

I completely forgot about playing those games

My Flip 2 is about to be a treasure trove of classics

[gentle badge]

Wouldn’t a tablet make more sense there?

[jolly kayak]

Not if I have to buy it

[distant drum]

Why is Flip2 trying to take RP Mini away from me.

Get out of my head CHARLES

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-me-head-smiling-friends-get-out-of-my-head-my-head-me-head-gif-7400622326871933876

[vital belfry]

Where do you guys even find all off these

[wooden phoenix]

Too much time on their hands. I can feel my tax payer dollars being sponged 😅

[wooden phoenix]

This channel is awful lol. I just want to go back to the stick argument at this point 🤣

[spring terrace]

is it... udderly terrible?

[peak nacelle]

I've got no beef with this but you're really milking it

[gentle badge]

don't have a cow man

[wooden phoenix]

Oh Lord. You guys need to go touch grass 😅🍻

[gentle badge]

why grass?

[wintry rock]

I wouldn't use the Pimax Portal as an example of how to price your products. That thing didn't sell and got unceremoniously dumped by the manufacturer after a short while. But I would not be surprised if the Flip 2 was somewhere close to $250. It ain't going to be under $200, though.

[wintry rock]

Eat grass, not just touch it.

[spring terrace]

[sage oriole]

It was a good example of the same chip in a product 2 years ago and is the only comparable example we have, for better or worse.

I actually bought one as well 😫

[gentle badge]

https://tenor.com/view/cows-touch-grass-eat-hungry-devour-gif-5498346458481352488

[fluid stone]

Wait can I post my rat in here since his name is Beef

[wintry rock]

(I have a Pimax Portal ... but bought at the clearance prices and nowhere near MSRP, thankfully)

[sage oriole]

You make better decisions than me then 😅 although I did manage to sell mine on at a profit.

[fluid stone]

Beef is the brown/gray one, he counts as a cow because of his name

[spring terrace]

oh he is indeed a beefy boy

[fluid stone]

"You're not 'filling out nicely', you're fatter than ever! When people see you on the street, they go 'GOD, that's a big, fat ass!'"

[robust wedge]

The original Flip cost more than the RP3+ so I don't know where you're getting this. More moving parts means more engineering means more 💵 .

[jolly kayak]

Premium glass front my ass

There's like 2 fools that liked it

I don't know why tf wanta glossy devices at all. Steam Deck rugged finish is where it's at; premium RP5 would've been the same. Instead they went with the easiest to damage so you can order replacements

[gentle badge]

I actually do like the glass front on the RP5 for one reason - one the black colourway it makes the pillarboxing disappear when playing non-widescreen games on it (why does a 'retro' handheld have a 16:9 screen in the first place damnit...)

[fast sonnet]

versatility, for like game streaming and maybe those consoles that have 16:9 support

like there's a handful of N64 games that support widescreen

[gentle badge]

I expect it has more to do with the 5.5" 16:9 being equivalent to a 4.5" 4:3 and high quality large 4:3 oled screens at 1080p don't exist (yet?)

[fast sonnet]

that too

it works out IMO

[gentle badge]

yeah but what I'm saying is part of the reason the 16:9 doesn't bother me even as 16:9's biggest hater is the glass front

[jolly kayak]

Meh, doesnt really do the job in daylight, and it looks the same as a steam deck pillar boxing at night

[fluid stone]

https://youtu.be/5f4MGuoOMfQ

[wintry rock]

We've seen the RP Mini. Now we know why more retro handhelds don't have a 4:3 OLED. The only one apparently available was defective.

[gentle badge]

Luckily anbernic found a pretty good 4” 4:3 LCD

[lilac sable]

the problem is the marketing. they shouldve announced the incorrect scaling as a _feature_🤣

[tacit latch]

don't think that would have stopped Anbernic lol

[craggy kestrel]

Half-life 3 confirmed Flip 2 launch title

[south mantle]

The fact this was made for this extremely niche scenario

[coral valley]

Yeah anbernic wouldn't care at all

[wintry rock]

Call it "built in image smoothing" or something.

[wintry rock]

To be fair, Anbernic actually seems to have used a half decent screen (but not OLED of course) for the 406H/V.

Anbernic's screen issues seem to be more caused by how they assemble their devices (light bleed because the case squeezes the screen too much, screens falling out of the 405M, screens actually breaking due to cases being overtightened during assembly, etc.) as opposed to issues with the screens themselves ... at least for their more "premium" stuff.

[coral valley]

Anbernic doesn't really strike me as the type of company to check for defects like the one in the mini

[wintry rock]

Apparently no one does ... it's an odd defect to have and might have gone unnoticed for a general purpose device other than people reporting the screen being "shimmery".

[lilac sable]

They would rather partial refund you $20 cad or send a replacement screen

rg556

[south mantle]

Ladies and gents

We’re nearing time

Tomorrow

It has to be tomorrow

[coral valley]

Soon

It will be soon

[south mantle]

Tomorrow be Wednesday

There’s nothing else to reveal for the Flip 2 and Classic

Other than the Classic’s chipset ig

It’s gotta be pricing and or preorders

[coral valley]

Still dumb they didn't announce that alongside the other specs

[south mantle]

Yea that was wild

[coral valley]

They're challenging themselves to see how long they can drag out a release

[south mantle]

Speedrun

But like opposite

[coral valley]

Price reveal has to be tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-pondering-my-orb-my-orb-orb-pondering-my-pondering-my-orb-orb-gif-24060364

I can see it now

[south mantle]

We invading Retroid’s office if it doesn’t happen

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-wide-slayer-gif-18921488

Watch them release the shipping and tax costs to let us calculate it from there

The Drip feed grind goes on

[tacit latch]

can't wait for the first digit of the price

[wintry rock]

When I said that they'd leak the price one digit at a time the other day I thought I was joking. Now I am not so sure.

[formal latch]

y'all are really on that copium IV drip, eh? 😛

[south mantle]

More like hopeful “deductive reasoning”

[distant drum]

$230 to $250?

[fast sonnet]

I hope $200 as the baseline

[south mantle]

What was the RP5’s launch price?

[distant drum]

Same as it is now

Or do you mean early bird?

[vital belfry]

200 first day early bird

210 pre order

And 220 now

[south mantle]

Dude

You absolutely terrified me

I though preorders randomly dropped

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-vegeta-dragon-ball-ocean-floating-gif-14243400581863222654

[vital belfry]

How do you get jumpscared by the answer to your own question

[south mantle]

Bc I forgot I asked the question

[robust wedge]

Valid.

[fast sonnet]

ADHD things

[south mantle]

Also I’m on edge about the Flip 2 pre-order

[vital belfry]

All good all good

Happens

[south mantle]

Surely it’ll happen between now and tomorrow, right🥲🥲

[fast sonnet]

I pray it'll be at $200 for the base

[vital belfry]

base as in d1100?

[fast sonnet]

ye

[vital belfry]

sounds very feasible

[fast sonnet]

I know the SD865 is better but just having RP4Pro performance in a clamshell is enough for me

[vital belfry]

Oh well, I want Linux

So Qualcomm it is

[fast sonnet]

fair

if the price difference isn't too crazy I might jump to the 865

[random tulip]

Yeah. Linux just opens up possibilities for something I plan to hang onto. So worth it for me

[wary briar]

it will be 201

just to mess with you

[south mantle]

Here we are

Waiting

[wooden phoenix]

I'm sure you'll be okay? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[peak nacelle]

We could have a sing-a-long. Everyone wins with a sing-a-long.

[south mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-bonfire-party-gif-25261767

I suppose we could do this

[peak nacelle]

Waitin' on the flip two
An' I just gotta tell you
I wanna play mah games

Don't care about the mini
Screen was fine for plenty
Boxy screens just aren't my flame

Shove a 5 into a clamshell
Put the sticks wherever the hell
Then shut up and take my money

[wooden phoenix]

Or this

[fluid stone]

Come gather round the e-waste and sing our Retroid Flip 2 song
Our r e t r o i d f l i p 2 song
And if you think they'll only refund 200 Minis then you're wrong
But it'll help if you just play alooooong!

[peak nacelle]

Bom bom bom...

[warped leaf]

Yo, it’s been too long, where’d the Flip 2 go?
Silent like a ninja, man, it’s moving real slow.
Waiting for a leak, but there’s nothin’ in sight,
Like a cow on a skateboard—man, this don’t feel right!

Moo-ving through the forums, searching for a clue,
But all I see’s the tumbleweeds, not a drop of news.
Retroid, what’s the deal? Y’all ghostin’ the herd?
We need some beefy specs, drop the specs, that’s the word!

A clamshell dream or a vaporware scheme?
Tell us if it’s coming or just lost in the stream.
We’re out here grazing, waiting for the sound,
But all we get is silence—yo, this ain’t cowmpound!

So milk the hype, don’t leave us on read,
Or we’ll stampede over to something else instead.
Flip 2, where you at? Give us just a peek,
Or we’ll be out here chewing cud for another whole week!

[fast sonnet]

this needs to be recited during the next podcast

who's got the chops to make a beat for this?

[warped leaf]

beefy specs is just hilarious, thanks chatgpt

[peak nacelle]

Makes me vaguely hungry

[cunning isle]

Stubbs with the sideways hat
I forgot his DJ name lol

[lilac sable]

another day, another no price announcement

[white prism]

Maybe they forgot it

[peak nacelle]

They're merely resting, pining for the fjords

[blazing burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/windex-big-fat-greek-wedding-greek-greek-wedding-gif-21017596

How the cows doin

Where news retroid

Don't make me start milk rapping again

Anbernic already released 2 handhelds today 😂

-# This is just a funny joke

[distant drum]

Ghosting the herd

“Retroid Flip 2 cancelled due to an overwhelming number of Retroid Pocket Mini returns.”

[sacred valley]

I hope "Qualcomm 4nm" means a chip that has had recent Linux development. I don't want to go back to 0 waiting on the Linux build. Imo nothing wrong with a 865 for a device like this. I don't even know what I could possibly benefit from if they put in a 8gen2 instead of a 865

[lilac sable]

nah they would just tack on the money lost from the mini onto the flip2 and classic

[tacit latch]

if only man, if only

[coral valley]

I predict that price reveal will be tomorrow

[tacit gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-gif-24248233

[coral valley]

It's going to happen

For real this time

[tacit latch]

we'll just keep predicting it until it happens

but for real though, I think they want to do combo deals again, so chances are we'll have to wait until they are finished hyping the classic

which probably means CPU reveal of the classic comes first, and then the price reveal for both

[coral valley]

That's the plan

[tacit gorge]

obviously retroid can’t do anything flip 2 right now, because all their staff, yeah both of em, are busy handling them returns 🤣

[coral valley]

If anything now is the best time

Make everyone forget

[tacit latch]

the reveal of the classic specs and the reaction to that shows that Mini fall out is already old news so I think we are clear on that front

wish Chris would come back but other than that we are good

[tacit gorge]

imagine chris was actually taki 🤯

[coral valley]

I honestly don't think the mini drama would have been that big if there was more to talk about

[tacit latch]

for sure

this was discussed on the RH podcast, they have too much social media presence for their own good

companies that don't communicate at all like Anbernic fare better because they just ignore people and move on

[coral valley]

Yeah that's what kind of ironic about it

Customer service bringing attention to the issue just makes it worse

[rigid thicket]

It was a pretty basic CS fumble. Never promise anything you don't know you can fully commit to.

[tacit latch]

but I would say it's a good problem to have otoh, because at the end of the day, it shows that a lot of people feel very passionately about Retroid

for a small and super niche Chinese hardware company to have such a vocal and passionate fanbase is a pretty remarkable feat

and it means good things for their future

[coral valley]

Although I have to say their solution still doesn't make much sense to me. I don't know how many minis they sold, but it feels strange to avoid allowing returns, but then spend 2 million on a new deal.

They're making an investment I guess?

[sacred kindle]

Y'all think they'll do heavy discounts on Minis?

[tacit latch]

nah the real resolution to the whole issue is that they are going to accept returns indefinitely

that's the real story

the 2 million investment thing is there because they needed something to distract and move attention away from the returns

but they have quietly lifted the 200 unit return limit

[coral valley]

Yeah that does make more sense

The deal probably isn't limited to just a new mini screen

[tacit latch]

my guess is that they were already planning on doing that investment, Mini fall out or not

or they made it up and it's not really happening at all

either of the two

[coral valley]

That'd be a dangerous lie lol

Then they'd really piss people off

[tacit latch]

nobody will ever find out lol

with a 12 month timeline everyone will have forgotten about it

[coral valley]

I'm not too sure about that

[tacit latch]

or they can always reply "we couldn't make it work in the end" if somebody asks in 12 months time

[coral valley]

People are very passionate to get a 4 inch mini in their hands

[tacit latch]

oh for sure

I do think a mini with a bigger screen would have a market

[tropic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-austin-powers-evil-one-gif-14681923667046200996

[stray dagger]

the demands are 4.5" 1920x1440, nothing less will be accepted

[south mantle]

I just want to play Backyard Monsters on a clamshell device that isn’t a full laptop

[coral valley]

1440p is crazy

[stray dagger]

it scales perfectly for almost everything

[icy bramble]

Why are we back to demanding the mini be something it's not

[stray dagger]

at that res you can literally integer scale everything but 4 systems perfectly and even 3 of those are better than on any lower resolution

[stray dagger]

the screen is supposed to be used in future devices as well, so it would make sense to make it bigger, especially since they could fit a 4.5" screen at the same high the mini has anyway, probably same overall footprint as well, but I will rather take 5-10mm more width for more stick inset than on the RP5

[coral valley]

If the screen has 400ppi I think you'll be fine

[stray dagger]

funnily enough 1920x1440 works best, but 960x720 still is better for a bunch of stuff than 1280x960... while 1440x1080 is just dead last when it comes to integer scaling

[coral valley]

It would be awesome if it was 1440p but I can't really see it happening ngl. Also I think a 4 inch screen would be better, just to fill the empty space on the original

[stray dagger]

well, I mean if the overall goal was to just make a screen for the Mini as it is... sure 4" would be it, but this is a huge investment for them and they already said that this screen would be used in more upcoming devices, so making it bigger IMO makes more sense, we are basically talking a Retroid Pocket 5 in 4:3 at that point, with 4.5" that would only end up about being 170x78 compared to the original Mini at 165x77

also the demands suggestions for them to make it 1920x1440 is basically just future proofing it for whatever comes next, given how it's very unlikely they will push millions into developing another 4:3 panel

[south mantle]

Flip 2 is so lost that this is essentially the third Mini channel. We got the OG Mini channel, the new possible upcoming Mini channel, and finally the Flip 2 (Mini) channel

[stray dagger]

but for that kinda talk we have the #1348657419542073436 thread btw

[hushed shadow]

Serious question.... What is teh advantage of them "future-proofing" a panel for a dead layout? Everything that's going to run on a 4:3 panel has already been released... 4:3 consoles are long dead and we can already emulate most (all??) of them on the Mini. Am I missing something?

I feel like they should make a drop in replacement (size, resolution, etc) For the existing Mini and just produce it as long as there is demand

I'm dancing on the edge of a knife on buying a mini right now as I'm fairly certain the bug wouldn't bother me and I think it's an amazing layout

[coral valley]

I mean I can definitely see the advantage in making a 1440p panel right now if they decide that it's something they want to do in the future

Really it depends if the new mini is going to just be a revision or a successor

[south mantle]

I would have never guessed that the emulation community/landscape was so crazy

Emulation has been on my mind for years and I’ve done it in burst, but this is my first venture into talking to other people about it

/getting a dedicated device for it

Y’all crazy

Companies are crazy

[versed vigil]

Everything that would run in terms of Android (and mobile in general) already has to support 4:3 unless they want to say “fuck you” to anything other than smart phones, since it’s the second most common aspect ratio for tablets besides 16:9 (and I guess 16:10, but that already supports 16:9).

also, 1920x1440 would already make the device integer scaled for PSP, Vita (Vita is exactly 2x the resolution of PSP), GBA, and even Switch docked mode, on top of also being integer scaled for most 4:3 console systems.

[south mantle]

But is fun

Except for Flip 2 silence

[hushed shadow]

Ahhh, I see, 1440 aligns with interger scaling on a greater # of commonly used resolutions. Got it.

[south mantle]

Are launches usually this silent/crazy

Or is this just a wild time for Retroid?

[versed vigil]

1920x1440 in particular, unironically scales with practically everything except for known oddballs like SNES, DS, Wonderswan, and NGP.

[hushed shadow]

That's the knowledge I was looking for, thanks for the primer!

[versed vigil]

And again, note that these are based on it being 4”. They’d all be even bigger on a 4.5” screen.

[hushed shadow]

I've got a best offer in on a mini on ebay, and I'm trying to decide if i'm going to keep it or not lol

he hasn't accepted it yet lol

I feel like pillarbox on the RP5 is pretty good for 4:3 games i've seen so far... but...SFC colorway 😆

[ripe flare]

The tease periods for new Retroid launches have been way too drawn out lately, but yeah this absolutely isn't normal

[tacit latch]

my hypothesis is that they planned to launch the flip 2 first, and the classic later, but they changed their mind last minute and decided to delay the flip 2 so they can launch it together with the classic and do combo deals

[long lichen]

It's pretty cool to see. I've been doing this since the early 2000s, my first device was a GP2X. For years you had one, MAYBE two dedicated options for emulation. It's really just been in the past few years that things have exploded.

[gentle badge]

Don’t forget 120hz VRR

[south mantle]

That is pretty neat. I’m just waiting to see if the clamshell space explodes. Flip 2 would be great for most Nintendo consoles on the go and 6th gen and older system I think. However, a newer more powerful clamshell that could emulate 7th gen and up reliably, would be crazy fun

[south mantle]

What’s the point of having a screen with a refresh rate higher than 60hz for emulation?

Genuine question. I’m a baby when it comes to emulation knowledge

[coral valley]

Black frame insertion and streaming would be the main reasons

[gentle badge]

120 lets you do tricks for better motion clarity but also there are systems and arcade games that don’t run at 60 - wonderswan is 75, many display modes for older PC games are 70 or 75hz, some arcade titles ran at 54, 62, etc, PAL games ran at 50

[south mantle]

I had a feeling you were gonna bring up BFI. Just wanted to make sure. Solid reason

Can remote play from a pc really run at above 60fps?

I’ve never tried it now that I think about it

[coral valley]

Yeah, you just need good wifi really

[gentle badge]

Basically a locked 60 is great for emulating NTSC home consoles and a fair number of handhelds but there are a lot of edge cases if you get into pc systems

Or arcade that has no reason to follow television standards

[south mantle]

Ohhh that’s a pretty solid reason. I didn’t think about that. I really though things would’ve been standardized at intervals of 30

[gentle badge]

VRR is surprisingly useful for emulation

Not needed of course but definitely a nice to have

[south mantle]

That’s I’d agree with

[coral valley]

You know I'd never really thought of that tbh

Makes sense though

[south mantle]

I am genuinely wondering how useful framegen would be for emulators. Like turning on AFMF2 to “run” at a much higher framerate, albeit not getting those latency improvements

Also I know this is a travesty of a thing to suggest

[coral valley]

Lossless scaling on android when

[south mantle]

I’m scarred from so many people claiming framegen works just like “real frames”🥲

5070>4090😖

[coral valley]

The Nvidia Kool aid was injected straight into their bloodstream

[south mantle]

ROPS on the side tho

Or off the plate entirely

Admittedly I’ve always had AMD hardware, but I don’t wanna Nvidia combust completely cause competition

However, what’s scarier is how much Nvidia seems to not care now. Like they must be doing that well in other markets

That’s horrifying for us

[coral valley]

I dont think they will tbh, they're still undefeated at the very highest level

[south mantle]

I wonder if the Switch 2 will be missing ROPS

Could you imagine the fallout??

[coral valley]

As good as the 9070xt is I wish amd would still try to compete at the highest end

[south mantle]

I mean ig AMD is doing this pattern now

One gen mid/low. Two gens low/mid/high

I’d at least

Maybe they’re using the off gen for a greater focus on architectural improvements?

As opposed to more SKU’s

I have a 7900XTX so I’m not exactly hurting for an upgrade, but a 9900XT would’ve been nice/cool to see

[coral valley]

Seems like they're gonna start putting more into their apus

[gentle badge]

My only VRR devices right now are my ally X (I don’t really use it for emulation) and a miniPC hooked up to a 75hz 1200p 16:10 vrr monitor for old pc games (excellent but not portable) and then I have apple promotion 120hz screens on a laptop and a tablet but that doesn’t really work as full VRR so I usually just run them at 120hz with v sync

But 16:10 vrr 1200 OLED has me looking at the legion go 2 upcoming thread in a fashion most unwise

(1200p is also a GOAT resolution for ms dos - a common res back in the day was a 320x200 70hz meant to be squished to 4:3 - so the only way to get 4:3 and integer scale is 1600x1200 with 5x6 pixels)

[south mantle]

I mean I’m not exactly complaining about that

[gentle badge]

So anyway the only way to truly perfectly emulate monster bash and other apogee ms dos classics is with a 1200p vrr screen capable of 75 or higher hz, thank you for coming to my ted talk

[echo lynx]

must be 1440p!!!

integer scaling

[gentle badge]

1200p integer scales 320x200 ms dos and 1440 doesn’t

The only way to do integer + anamorphic 4x3 on those games is 1200p or a multiple of 1200p (2400p?)

[stray dagger]

did we mention that on the Retroid Discord already?

[night vessel]

I assume it's 120hz preferred because of Black Frame Insertion? Because otherwise I couldn't imagine it being truly useful or worth it

[rigid thicket]

Honestly, this is better for us in the handheld space in general, ahaha.

[coral valley]

Yeah I fully agree, strix halo is crazy so we can see some form of it in handhelds at some point

[stray dagger]

well, let's just assume we will see that panel in an Odin 2 4:3 so 120hz with VRR (which is the important part about that) it is

[gentle badge]

DOS, wonderswan, streaming, and all kinds of non 60hz arcade cabs

[night vessel]

I actually didn't know wonderswan had 75 hz wtf

[gentle badge]

yeah I mean there's nothing tying a handheld to a specific refresh

NTSC and PAL television standards at 60 or 50 hz were real standards back - which keeps home consoles to reasonably standard refresh rates but CRT monitors for computers supported a bunch of different standards and refresh rates and you could make an arcade cabinet or handheld where you're providing the screen too run at anything you wanted

but yeah it means most of the time if you replace the wonderswan screen with a modern IPS you're using a 60hz one and dropping frames

oh atari lynx is also 75hz

[tacit latch]

I delved into DOS gaming recently and I was so confused seeing things running in widescreen at 75fps

I was like, wait this isn't how I remember it being

took me a hot minute to realize what was going on

[versed vigil]

Well, that’s why people keep saying VRR as well, since that would make it possible to work with the many very odd refresh rates arcades and handhelds have used over the years.

I’d personally be fine with just the 60hz if it makes the 1920x1440 possible, but if I had to pick something better than 60hz that wasn’t the perfect “120hz with VRR” option, I’d personally rather have something like “90hz or even 80hz(whatever is the max for weird refresh rates in older tech) with VRR” than I would have “120hz without VRR”.

[stray dagger]

75iirc

[south mantle]

This has become the cool talk informational channel

[coral valley]

Went from announcements to claw grip, to two screens, to politics, to cows, to rp mini, and now to anything retroid

[versed vigil]

Alright, so at the very least 75 VRR should be a good option if 120 VRR is pushes the screen into being too expensive.

[wintry oxide]

Let's get back on topic

https://tenor.com/view/cows-gif-22967677

[south mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/griffith-pointing-dream-gif-7728147988246988609

How the Flip 2’s looking rn

Retroid’s proposing some awful crippling oversight, but the Flip 2 will at least be released then

At our expense🥲

[stray dagger]

Just make it 4.5" 1920×1440 120hz VRR and charge 20 more for the device I don't care

[tacit latch]

I miss Chris

at least we could pester him when the going was slow

now there's nobody to pester

[versed vigil]

You know that whole “pestering” thing was one of the bigger reasons why he was already considering leaving right?

[noble canyon]

Garfield kart…

[versed vigil]

To think anyone believed subjugating a person to that hell multiple times over would be a good idea. (/s)

[tacit latch]

fair

[noble canyon]

U should try Garfield kart on the flip 2

[tacit latch]

but I'd like to think there's a difference between friendly pestering and malign pestering

[versed vigil]

I would personally dedicate my life to finding a way to delete any and all traces of Garfield kart from existence, ensuring it is guaranteed lost media, before I play or watch anything related to Garfield that isn’t the original newspaper comics.

[noble canyon]

Did u know Garfield for a period of time was so broken in a fighting game he got banned due to a glitch that gave him infinite lasagna meter?

I’m not making that shit up

https://tenor.com/view/waveshine-infinite-infinite-combo-fox-vs-marth-melee-gif-18396951880147679882

He unironically did this

But like better

[gentle badge]

infinite lasagna meter, too op

[noble canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/waveshine-super-smash-bros-melee-fox-mccloud-garfield-spongebob-gif-15433605491524875408

[south mantle]

Where Flip 3

[fast sonnet]

far off in the future

[south mantle]

Where Flip 2?

[visual pumice]

Near future, hopefully

Flip 1 is in the past

[south mantle]

Ohhh ok

Present got nothing

sad

https://tenor.com/view/mario-crying-crying-mario-stairs-gif-20008055

[peak nacelle]

But it's a nothing that's full of potential.

[visual pumice]

I bought a flip 1 to cope

[coral valley]

Why

[floral pebble]

to cope

[coral valley]

Spending money to cope with not being able to spend money

I mean I guess

[floral pebble]

Idk, I might not properly appreciate the flip 2 since I've never had a flip 1. I think he's onto something.

[rigid thicket]

Obviously just starting their Retroid Flip Series™ collection.

[peak nacelle]

Retroid's bold strategy paying off already

[coral valley]

Insanity

[south mantle]

We’ve reached it

This channel’s final form

Look what you’ve done Retroid

[visual pumice]

I was actually looking for pocketable device to play psp and below and flip 1 might be good enough. I might upgrade to flip 2 later if reviews are good.

[visual pumice]

Are you new here lol

[coral valley]

Just slightly disappointed

[white scarab]

most of the community doesnt even play games they just buy handheld...

[south mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-insane-talk-to-self-who-do-they-think-they-are-gif-13323944361752014762

Me with Flip 2 rn

[visual pumice]

This is the wrong place to be for spending money wisely

[peak nacelle]

I need a handheld to stare at while I ignore all the synthesizers I bought and played once

It's IMPORTANT

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/vro-car-cat-tole-tole-gif-13488942149365457783

[visual pumice]

Don't worry. It's the reason the Sales discord exists 😆. I buy most my handhelds from there.

[copper sequoia]

Need this for the thumb caps

[tawdry dove]

https://tenor.com/view/what-cows-south-park-excuse-me-say-what-gif-21521969

[tacit gorge]

let’s see dem synths!

[peak nacelle]

Mai baybee

[gentle badge]

I just bought an iPad telling myself I’d use it for art and music, so far I’ve been using the Apple Pencil pro to play Nintendo ds games

[tacit gorge]

oh thats dope!!

[peak nacelle]

Imo one of the coolest entry level sound creating setups for ambient stuff. I need to get rid of it to make space but probably won't

[copper burrow]

huh

actually cheaper than i expected

[uncut crescent]

Flip is cheaper, Classic is about on brand, if not a bit better since it has a 6gb ram config

[peak nacelle]

Nice. Def getting one

[left turret]

pretty neat

[copper burrow]

yeh im happy with these prices

[left turret]

cant wait for the reviews

[chrome kelp]

It still bothers me that they thought of, fitted, and made a 6 face button vertical and yet the actual device that actually has a decent enough space for it never got it 😅

[weary lark]

Alright I’m in

[nova violet]

The Chinese graphic says they'll start shipping in mid-April, so one month wait between preorder and shipping

[warped leaf]

huh, those prices are good

[tacit gorge]

it is beyond me how they waste so much time on these announcements and still fuck things up. check your spelling guys.

[weary lark]

In the past, have review units been sent out before or after pre orders open?

[plush silo]

Great prices.
Think I’ll be going for the SD865 model on the Flip 2 after all as it’s only 30 dollars more than the D1100 model.

[sweet shuttle]

Gonna say after

[tall lichen]

Yo 189 for an OLED handheld is crazy! I'm getting 865 but man it's tempting just to get the d1100

[sweet shuttle]

RP Mini preorders opened on like September 10

Russ made his impressions video of it on October 1

[jolly kayak]

Very impressed with the prices.

Might be the first time i order both

[quiet reef]

Mini owners get an additional $10 off right?

[sweet shuttle]

https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1348657419542073436

And I remember something to that effect, yeah

[quiet reef]

I'm wondering how we get that discount? I don't think that's been mentioned

[sweet shuttle]

Probably have to contact Retroid directly beforehand and prove your ownership somehow

[coral valley]

My prediction was correct

[last cliff]

So you're telling me I get $15 off the classic?

Pro Sunny can we get a clip from the podcast of the prediction pricing please?

[ancient robin]

#1336037750889250960 message

Technically only the preorder price but still, I'll take my credit

[tranquil elbow]

still not sold on the analog positioning

[last cliff]

I can only afford one so I'm going classic

[tranquil elbow]

I missed the memo, what chipset does the classic have?

[uncut crescent]

They have a chip that's under embargo atm

[tranquil elbow]

oh okay

thats weird, announcing the price and every other spec but not the chip?

[uncut crescent]

But it's comparable to an overclocked 4 gen 2

[uncut knoll]

Most cheaper than i expected and the same price as the RP5. Not bad

[coral valley]

Yeah these prices are good

[tranquil elbow]

I dont know what that means 🥲

[uncut crescent]

It's comparable to a overclocked Snapdragon 4 gen 2 chip

In performance

[arctic scaffold]

in english please

[tranquil elbow]

yeah, I got that, but i have no idea what kind of performance that entails

[coral valley]

Just look up some benchmarks

[uncut knoll]

Just for to have a comparation, the price of the original flip was the same as the rp3 plus?

[coral valley]

$10 more pretty sure

[uncut knoll]

Neat

[mystic void]

Here's a synthetic
https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/unisoc-tiger-t618-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-4-gen-2

[uncut knoll]

At this point, retroid could release some images of the flip 2

[coral valley]

So the 4 gen 2 seems be around 50% slower in cpu than the 865 but has a much weaker gpu

[limpid ledge]

4 gen 2 is close to t820 and d900

[versed vigil]

Huh, I wonder who completely guessed from the start that it would be only $10 more than the RP5, only for people to be “pessimistic” to the point of being illogical?

[coral valley]

Didn't some people say it'd be like $275 lmao

[limpid ledge]

They was wilding

Retroid never go under 250 yet

[versed vigil]

Yeah, and I was calling them crazy since the Flip 1 was only $10 more than the RP3+, so the Flip 2 would only likely be $10 more than the RP5.

[uncut knoll]

A good price

[coral valley]

I have to admit I was a little worried about the mini scandal but good to see the prices are still reasonable

[versed vigil]

Honestly, if they actually had increased these prices from their original prices, that’s actually legit insane.

[stray dagger]

well, I honestly think the Classic is $10 more expensive than it had to be

[plush silo]

I'm really glad they made the prices reasonable even with the Mini scandal

[stray dagger]

Flip 2 was basically locked in due to the RP5 price tbh

[limpid ledge]

One thing about retroid they never change about their philosophy

[coral valley]

The classic's performance is going to be pretty good

[limpid ledge]

It's actually thinking how it can compare to t820 and d900

[versed vigil]

You mean it’s at a price which already would’ve made sense, and assuming it’s $10 more than it originally was, that means they were literally going to charge the same as the RP5 for it.

[coral valley]

The glass front tax was real

[copper burrow]

i like being presently surprised 😄

[plush silo]

I'm not sure how many people will really get the D1100 Flip 2 now knowing it's only 30 bucks less, but shipping and taxes are a factor I'd imagine

[limpid ledge]

That's problem they have to use 4px

[stray dagger]

nah, I'm saying they put an extra $10 on the Classic, but couldn't on the Flip 2 due to it being basically a RP5 which price we know

[limpid ledge]

It's like flip 1 situation it's always more expensive than horizontal handhelds

[coral valley]

$130 for the classic isn't a bad price imo

[limpid ledge]

Imagine ayn odin 2 flip

[coral valley]

Flat $100 would be too low

[limpid ledge]

130 for 6gb is sexy sexy

What man

[mystic void]

While you won't really need the 6gb model for what it will do, it's an easy upsell from the 4gb, especially with more storage

[coral valley]

Yeah thats the main draw

[plush silo]

Yeah, almost forgot to take that into account.
I think I should be able to save up for the SD865 + shipping by the time I get it (around my bday in Autumn)

[coral valley]

Also sounds like the 4gb option will be limited

[mystic void]

I think just in color

[limpid ledge]

That's best option

[mystic void]

Unsure

But super realistically, people shouldn't preorder retroid lol. But I'm sure everyone will cause of the hype

[limpid ledge]

I'm not

Hell no I'm going to wait

[plush silo]

^

[uncut crescent]

Imma wait till april

[peak nacelle]

Hype! Hype! Hype! Get excited!

[limpid ledge]

Shout out to the soliders who pre order tho

[versed vigil]

Yeah, I’m going for it for the storage. It’ll help for having more Android games (and I’m including unofficial native Android ports, since those are almost always a good bit more demanding in storage and usually do run better on the EMMC).

[plush silo]

It's good to have early adopters.
Any problems that arise will generally be on the first batch if any

[mystic void]

I guess the upside is we finally have an actual upgrade to the miyoo mini plus lol. Everything else was a distraction at best

[coral valley]

Trimui brick

[mystic void]

At best

[limpid ledge]

Let me bring this one if they are using overclocked 4 gen 2 it might perform better than t820 and d900

[mystic void]

You can just compete them bro

https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/unisoc-t820-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-4-gen-2

[coral valley]

The brick is objectively better in everything but screen size

[limpid ledge]

Bro I tried but it's doesn't showing my search

[mystic void]

Top left, click SoC

Then do the right SoCs

[white prism]

Wow that’s impressive performance, plus is clocked

Cave cv1000b gonna runnn

[dull vale]

give me the strength to not buy this (i have an RP5)

[arctic scaffold]

ne dome switch info

[limpid ledge]

I will remember this thank you

[copper burrow]

buy it

[versed vigil]

Yeah, I’m not even gonna lie, I mostly just can’t see a way for them to screw The Classic up yet like with the Mini, and I’m personally fine with being a beta tester for that thing since it’s only $125.

[uncut crescent]

Wow they're... actually more comparable than I thought

[mystic void]

https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/qualcomm-snapdragon-4-gen-2-vs-mediatek-dimensity-900

GPU on the SD 4 gen 2 seems much weaker overall

[tranquil elbow]

still on the fence between the RP5 and this

[versed vigil]

Well yeah, it’s a chipset that’s supposed to be around G99 territory, except its CPU punches with stuff way higher than it.

[tranquil elbow]

Im a sucker for clamshells so Im leaning towards the Flip but i wanna see the hinge and how the analog and dpad feel since the positioning is

a choice, for sure

[dull vale]

ok i'll do it!

[quiet reef]

If it's anything like the Wii U then the Flip 2 sticks should feel fine

[limpid ledge]

But cpu it's beating both of them barely

[quiet reef]

Pocketability is my priority so I'm going Flip 2 over RP5

[tranquil elbow]

yeah Im more worried about the positioning ngl

[mystic void]

The only thing the Wii U did ok. Garbage console

[tranquil elbow]

the right one being above the face buttons raises an eyebrow

[dull vale]

i may just sell a few things I don't use any more and get the flip and classic

[tranquil elbow]

pocketability is a non factor for me, I just like clamshells. The 35xxsp is my favourite retro handheld

[dull vale]

i need to get to rank 5 right before I can buy and sell here?

[tranquil elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[scenic relic]

uh so how does one get the discount for buying a mini

[quiet reef]

This is what I need to know lol

[quiet reef]

RP5 if you don't want to wait a month for the Flip 2

[tranquil elbow]

I don't mind waiting

its not like I need it, I want it cause it's cool haha

[quiet reef]

Horizontal handhelds are everywhere but only few clamshells

[tranquil elbow]

yeah but my doubt is that the rp5 is just more comfortable to hold and play with since it's wider. The flip 2 for me is just cooler, no other advantage

[quiet reef]

True, the RP5 will feel more like a controller

Flip 2 for me because of form factor

Pocketability is a very specific need for me

[tranquil elbow]

thats fair

I only play my handhelds at home basically

and carry my 35sp in my bag sometimes

[glass prism]

How is the OS on the brick?

(genuine question)

[south mantle]

FINALLY

[south mantle]

Well if that’s not a clear upsell on the Classic models

[scenic relic]

minui has been excellent, recently had a dedicated brick update too

[sweet shuttle]

I imagine RP5 is basically their only release that hasn't had a major defect arise within early batches

[glass prism]

Any other os? I can't use minui cuz I like filters and shaders

[arctic scaffold]

stock

crossmix v1.4 soon™️

[spring terrace]

So is the sd865 gonna be worth the extra 40 bucks? I never know what the big difference between chip sets are

[tranquil elbow]

slightly better ps2 performance, better drivers, can run linux

imho it's worth it for 30$, but if you dont care about any of those things, 1100 is fine

[south mantle]

You know I think this is really evidence of just how wide their margins likely are given the pricing on the Flip 2 seems pretty low despite tariffs

I’m not getting into the politics. This is purely about the economics

Cause I have an economics degree🥲

Das my excuse for brining it up

[peak nacelle]

Moo

[south mantle]

Either that or they already the bulk of units shipped over here before the tariffs went into effect?

[south mantle]

Correct

[versed vigil]

Nah, that’s exactly the same price I had been expecting from the start.

[tranquil elbow]

are there tariffs from china yet?

[floral pebble]

The price set has nothing to do with tariffs, if there are any then they'd be added on to the price like taxes

[versed vigil]

Not until April 2nd.

[south mantle]

I mean I’m glad it’s the case. Just so much doomer talk in here about it that I was worried about a $250+ Flip 2

[tranquil elbow]

this is likely the case. A friend of mine lives in China and he's building a new pc. Already existing stock of GPUs have the same price as here (Europe). New stuff (the newly released AMD ones for example) have tariffs on them

[spring terrace]

So when are review units gonna be available, next week? If the preorders open the 17th

[tranquil elbow]

that's a business choice

[dusky ferry]

is there photos of the back of this flip 2?

[floral pebble]

Setting a great price was a business choice, I'm pretty happy ngl

[tranquil elbow]

there's no photos at all I think, just renders

[versed vigil]

Yeah, and they were already insane to think it would be $250+.

I cannot understate the fact that I had been saying it would be $230 at full price from the first announcement. And I do know that some people were illogical enough to think $250 or above would be happening.

[south mantle]

Also tariffs are collected by the shipping companies. There isn’t a tariff “tax” at the bottom of our receipts below the sales tax

[lilac sable]

does anyone remember how long it took after the rp5 release on retroids store for it to be sold on aliexpress?

[south mantle]

It would be factored in hidden in plain sight

[tranquil elbow]

Tariffs would just raise the price cause the company unloads the tariff on the consumer

then pays it off to the shipping company

[south mantle]

Plus that line of thinking would require Retroid to operate Made to Order or a business style like it. Seemed pretty unreasonable for Retroid to not start manufacturing until after pre-orders went live

Tariffs likely never affected the current stock

Regardless of pricing Strat

[tranquil elbow]

well they could've raised the price and blamed tariffs if they wanted. It would be a lie, but companies do it all the time lmao

[mystic void]

What's funny is I think the classic is the more exciting of the two

[south mantle]

You can see angles that show the back. Check the announcement video

[copper burrow]

I was pessimistic but I love being pleasantly surprised 😄

[south mantle]

I can kinda see a possibility that they raise prices a few months from now due to tariffs

Like I mentioned earlier, it depends on how comfortable they are with their margins

[south mantle]

That upsell is crazy tho

[floral pebble]

Tariffs do not work how you think they work

[tranquil elbow]

question: Qualcomm is an american country, but the chips are mainly manufactured in China. Can't they just, you know

[versed vigil]

Oh same here, it’s the whole reason why I’m honestly tempted to go for the pre-order now that I know what it will be priced for (plus I’ve already got the “$10 discount for Mini Owners” as an option, which is stackable), versus the Flip 2 where I’m absolutely only waiting until after people have messed with it to find any potential issues.

[tranquil elbow]

you bought a mini and you want to preorder from Retroid?

[mystic void]

10$ isn't crazy to me

[tranquil elbow]

this is the reason stuff like this keeps happening haha

[copper burrow]

i like seeing stockholm syndrome in effect ❤️

[south mantle]

It’s just that they have a cut down version for only $10 less

[floral pebble]

Pre-order price makes it the same as an rp5, that's one hell of a deal

[tranquil elbow]

preordering is never a deal

[versed vigil]

Well…yeah, you kind of need beta testers to test the thing first.

[tranquil elbow]

ask mini owners

[mystic void]

Imo flip 2 if you have no current amazing handheld. Otherwise it's place is starting to get saturated. I'm personally gonna wait till 556

557

[floral pebble]

If you're scared go to church

[tranquil elbow]

thank you for your service 🫡

[ancient robin]

The Classic is like the only time I recommend just buying the higher spec model, you'll need to spend $10ish on a micro SD anyways with the lower spec

[silent canopy]

Tariffs are funny in that they try to obscure how they work by naming them Tariffs, when they are simply a Tax increase.

[south mantle]

Kinda effectively yea

[wintry rock]

Not sure its a "hell" of a deal since it basically IS an RP5, but it's not terrible.

[south mantle]

Or rather functionally

[mystic void]

Rp2s was an easy upsell too. Similar idea

[tranquil elbow]

tariff and tax mean the same thing in my language

[silent canopy]

They are the same thing, tariffs are taxes on imports

[versed vigil]

Like, I’m not even joking, the only reason why I’m tempted to pre-order it is because I already like the Mini even with the screen, and it means I’d be getting a stackable $10 coupon on the Classic (so it would literally only be $115 for me).

By that point, I’m fine with effectively being an early tester.

[tranquil elbow]

that's fair

[dusky ferry]

I thought the mini discount is for mini 2?

[tranquil elbow]

I think the mini discount can apply to any order

[floral pebble]

Main complaint I hear over rp5 is the stick positioning, that's different with this (should be better) plus more portable

[spring terrace]

I have no fear about preordering one because I'm so certain there's gonna be a market here for people flipping flips if I decide it's not for me

[floral pebble]

It is missing the cow colorway though

[tranquil elbow]

why havent they made a famicom colorway

the RP5 has one

pain.

[versed vigil]

Nope, in the earlier announcement they said the “$10 coupon” would be for Flip 2 or Classic, and then they said in the next announcement that there would be another discount of an undisclosed price for the Mini V2.

[tranquil elbow]

I dont care about snes

[spring terrace]

Dbrand cow spot skin made with vegan leather when?

[wintry rock]

Fair. Stick positioning is why I never even considered rp5 but i might get Flip 2.

[mystic void]

Wait how do you even get the discount

[tranquil elbow]

the snes is ugly there I said it

[versed vigil]

This is the one in question, they also never actually denied that it would still be active. Hence why I also asked if it’s still gonna be usable or if it got canceled for the Mini V2 discount.

[versed vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/howdareyou-offended-rude-offensive-appalled-gif-26011926

[south mantle]

When I first looked into this all a few weeks ago, I kept seeing people saying that the top position sticks were going to be awful. I personally doubted that, but like it seems here most everyone likes top position?

[tranquil elbow]

its my main point of comtept atm

I can buy the left stick being on top but the right stick?

I never saw a controller with the right stick above the buttons

[versed vigil]

I already asked that, and Atheonyirh said he doesn’t know yet since he didn’t think to ask about it, but he’s already sending it up the pipeline.

[sweet shuttle]

Basically just Wii U

[sacred kindle]

What will happen to the returned Minis

will they be sold at a nice discount 👀

[tranquil elbow]

ah never had one

[limber frost]

Yea I just really want to know if ergonomics on this are better than a rp5

[mystic void]

Bro, to be fair people think the rp5 is good when the stick positioning on that is awful

[quiet reef]

Wii U pro controller Actually really comfortable tbh

[sweet shuttle]

They should be by quite a margin actually

[versed vigil]

It’s always gonna be better if it’s got the sticks and buttons on an offset. Anything’s better than what the RP5 was doing with its layout.

[lilac sable]

right stick on top is strange. dunno what to think of it. left stick on top is a must for me

i do find myself touching the left stick while using the dpad on the rp5

[quiet reef]

Gamepad also super comfortable

[versed vigil]

You never make the PlayStation layout completely inset, it’s an absolute crime.

[sweet shuttle]

RP5's amazing screen ended up being a double edged sword, since it forced the sticks to be pushed out

[tranquil elbow]

you guys are convincing me to go for the flip now

[lilac sable]

wha

[tranquil elbow]

if only it had a Famicom colorway

guess Ill get the gamecube one

[mystic void]

People calling the rp5 a PlayStation layout is one of my biggest pet peeves

[south mantle]

And you’re still complaining why?

Purp is cool😤

[tranquil elbow]

cause Im old

[south mantle]

Acceptable response…

[tranquil elbow]

and I'd prefer a colorway associated to a console that was actually from my childhood haha

but yes the GC one is the best looking of the bunch by far

[limber frost]

Icy blueee 🤤

[quiet reef]

Hopefully GC looks better in person. Renders make it look like a fisher price toy

[south mantle]

Uhhhh I wish it was solid

[tranquil elbow]

well to be fair. The gamecube itself....

[south mantle]

Honestly fisher price toy’s even better

[limber frost]

Because of durability or just color?

[versed vigil]

So it looks like a GameCube.

[left turret]

lookin at ur pfp make me wish retroid flip 2 had an xbox green colourway but nvm

[south mantle]

Cause color, but that’s not wrong about durability

[dusky ferry]

wish they confirm if they will release a official grip for this. would convince me to try to sell my rp5 and get this since my rp5 and O2 kind of overlaps quite abit in both design/usage, especially with rocknix for O2 now (initial plan was using rp5 for rocknix only, and O2 for android)

[south mantle]

For the sake of OG and 360 maybe…but beyond that😒

[dusky ferry]

but the lack of dedicated back button on this will need getting used to

[quiet reef]

Everyone forgot about that lol

No programmable M1 M2 buttons this time around as well

[dusky ferry]

did retroid have those in the past? thought only Ayn 's devices

[south mantle]

I think the Flip 1 had them?

[sweet shuttle]

Nah, it didn't

[random tulip]

That's been dropped right?

[tranquil elbow]

yeah

[random tulip]

Ok. Haha

[summer marsh]

It's been dropped about 4 times each in like 3 different channels so far

[random tulip]

$220. Called it

[floral pebble]

But it makes me happy to see it each time

[sacred kindle]

pokemon classic 🥵

[random tulip]

Yeah. I'm getting it. Gotta

[tranquil elbow]

Im surprised the 6 button one costs the same AND it's included in the lower spec version too

they could've definitely put those on the flip2 too... not like they lacked the space

[random tulip]

Might skip the flip to start tho

[tranquil elbow]

are those Saturn colors?

[versed vigil]

I’ve been calling that the Flip 2 would be $230 for its official price from the start. They called me a madman just for being fully logical and expecting this thing to have the same price difference as the Flip 1.

[quiet reef]

Flip 1 had them, yes

[rigid thicket]

Just to get ahead of the game, what's the best shipping option to choose?
For Canada specifically.

[random tulip]

Yeah. Priced over the rp5 and I feel like most would just get the RP5. Let's be honest, flips can be complicated

[quiet reef]

Still a madman, but a correct madman lol

[tranquil elbow]

DHL will make you pay duty tax. 4PX usually gets around that

[random tulip]

We expecting that much of a necessity for 6GB over 4?

[versed vigil]

Nah, the only madmen are the people who unironically believed it would be over $250.

No even for any rational reason, but purely pessimism taken to the point of being completely illogical.

[tranquil elbow]

depends what systems it can run

[versed vigil]

No, but 128GB storage would be nicer than 64GB.

[copper burrow]

its adorable how invested you are into not letting this go 😄

[random tulip]

To be fair without sticks I doubt I'm ever going higher than PS1. Heh

[quiet reef]

Ppl were panicking for a week

[versed vigil]

You had people expecting it to be $250-$280.

[random tulip]

But it's gotta have an SD card slot right?

[limpid ledge]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[sacred kindle]

Still got Saturn at least

[tranquil elbow]

then no it makes no difference

[random tulip]

K

[copper burrow]

so? we're pleasantly surprised that it's cheaper than expected which is good. Now you take some grow up juice and don't need to go on about it every few minutes 😄

[versed vigil]

You can’t use Android games on the external storage. And while most official Android games for this device should be minimal in storage, unofficial Android ports are gonna be a bit more of a hog in that regard.

[random tulip]

Saturn would be annoying unless you went for the 6 button. And then everything else would be annoying. So I'm good

[sacred kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/fighting-rude-kim-kardashian-dont-be-fucking-rude-mad-gif-15969435

[sacred kindle]

aw but the saturn color is unappealing

[copper burrow]

oh im being very polite 😄

[limpid ledge]

Uk humor this actually nice

[versed vigil]

Sure thing buddy, not like I’m the person who was thinking something as insane as a $30-60 upcharge would be “reasonable” or “expected”.

[random tulip]

Among many things. I'm good going cheap and just playing a bunch of GB stuff

[tranquil elbow]

yeah I never saw a saturn in the flesh and those button colors are something

[copper burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/violin-tiny-cute-gif-15898508

[spring terrace]

THE DUUUKKKEEEEE

[tranquil elbow]

you dont need to spend 120$ to play GB stuff though

[peak nacelle]

Shrek is love, Shrek is life

[south mantle]

I’ll take an OG Halo themed version. Take it or leave it

[spring terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-violin-sad-gif-9803583

[random tulip]

Yeah. Trust me. I have like 8 systems already made for it. But the screen is not the ignored

[sacred kindle]

Spider-man Dremcast gonna look rlly good tbh

[copper burrow]

eh, i preferred mine but that one is good too 😄

[sacred kindle]

OHHHH SPIDER-MAN DREAMCAST

YES BABY

[copper burrow]

Anyhow, awesome prices on the flip 2 😄 classic prices look solid as well. the important things

[tranquil elbow]

pokeball new 2ds please

[versed vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/smallest-violin-funny-lol-booger-gif-14983807

You wanna use something, at least use the original.

[limpid ledge]

Small things bring big package 😏

[random tulip]

If you have to FOMO the combo makes the most sense. Otherwise I see future sales on these being the best deal. Maybe less so the flip but def the classic

I imagine the lower end model will be found for good discounts

[copper burrow]

don't think the classic has any real appeal for me. Flip 2, yes

[limpid ledge]

I will say it's a shame that classic doesn't have video output

Which it's crazy to me

But again I understand

But again it's crazy

[random tulip]

That's my biggest disappointment

[quiet reef]

Classic is a pass

[sweet shuttle]

Where are they?

Genuinely asking

[limpid ledge]

Like rah all retroid pocket models had video output but not this one

[versed vigil]

Next to the shoulder buttons on the inside.

[quiet reef]

2 black buttons near the hinge

[versed vigil]

Those 2 tiny black buttons under the hinge.

[lilac sable]

whats the cheapest way to play gb on oled?

[tranquil elbow]

the classic has oled?

[lilac sable]

im in the wrong channel lmao. i thought i was in the classic channel

[versed vigil]

Before you ask, yes they were not in a comfortable place, no Flip 1 owner is going to deny that they probably should’ve been on the front with the Gamepad.

[quiet reef]

A Japanese Vita lol

[versed vigil]

Yeah.

[tranquil elbow]

damn ok

Im not sure why wou'd want an oled screen to recreate a console that had a calculator screen but okay

that's me

[copper burrow]

people like their oleds

[floral pebble]

Because it's better

[random tulip]

And I might just be dumb. But don't most android socs these days support usb-c passthrough as an option?

[tranquil elbow]

I do like my oleds too, Im not sure I would specifically want an oled to play GB games though

[quiet reef]

OLED just to play duck hunt is crazy

[versed vigil]

You want it for 8:7 SNES and NES as well, alongside Vertical Arcade games (it’s not as good as 1:1 for that, but it’s better than 4:3).

[random tulip]

Honestly I don't really care about screen accuracy. What I enjoy is it just being larger in general. Maybe I'm getting old. But playing on a 2.8 inch screen makes my eyes bleed

[lilac sable]

i appreciate the brick, but its just too smol

[versed vigil]

Also just in general the fact that OLED is great if you enjoy it.

[lilac sable]

imo oled breathes life into retro games.....

[tranquil elbow]

yeah thats fair

[tranquil elbow]

that is fair too, I was just confused by wanting an oled for gameboy haha

[versed vigil]

Plus, people were already hoping for this specific screen (the LG Wing bottom screen, since it was that weird T-Phone) to be in any other handheld that’s legit way cheaper than the AYANEO Pocket DMG, so the device being almost 4 times less than the Pocket DMG is absolutely great.

[tranquil elbow]

I just find it funny that I use shaders to make LCDs look worse just so they lok like a GBA screen more

[lilac sable]

im pretty sure the classic is the reason why ive been seeing a LOT more aya dmg listings in ebay

[tranquil elbow]

but people want an OLED to play OG Gameboy. Not a stab, just different vibes haha

[versed vigil]

Well yeah it’s nice. Hence why Hispeedido eventually made a screen mod for the GBC that uses the BlackBerry Q10’s Super AMOLED screen.

Yes, there’s literally an OLED screen mod for the Gameboy color.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006664131601.html

[random tulip]

Brick was also just uncomfortable for me. I like my mm+ much more

[mystic void]

There's like a million IPS devices. It's cool this one is OLED

[limpid ledge]

It does so I have to get adapter to do it

[tranquil elbow]

always fascinating to see how different people's preferences are

[random tulip]

Ah. So it is adapter supported? I remember seeing somewhere that it was otg. But wasn't sure if that meant it always supports video out

[mystic void]

You need an ITA GBA or a ds lite. Looks the absolute best

[tranquil elbow]

whats an ITA gba?

[mystic void]

Dsi screen gba

[random tulip]

And they evolve til you get like 50 devices. Many times I've gone larger just to realize I don't enjoy taking them anywhere and already have an OLED steam deck for the couch

For some reason I keep trying tho

[versed vigil]

Integer scaling plus better colors than stock GBA are the best.

[tranquil elbow]

so I have an oled phone and tablet

and yes the blacks are blacker but heres my confession: I barely notice a difference when Im playing on my IPS computer monitor

the only time I notice the oled is in very dark scenes where I go "oh yeah, look at that, the screen is actually off where it's black"

aaaaand I like the colors on IPS better haha

[mystic void]

Much better ghosting than an so 101 too

https://imgur.com/a/funnyplaying-retro-pixel-lcd-kit-agb-new-2021-3i7POFn

Look at that beautiful fucking grid

[sacred kindle]

I'm 23 and the 3.5" ain't enough for me anymore

[versed vigil]

Outright I’m just not even interested in an OLED screen mod for GBA, the ITA legit is just perfect for GBA games.

[tranquil elbow]

hell yeah. This is what Im talking about

[hybrid viper]

Hot take: symmetrical controls are the way nature intended, the Xbox layout has always been strange and now we've been conditioned to think it's normal

[versed vigil]

Yeah, because it is normal now.

[mystic void]

I was on that train so early lol. Was a ton of IPS people back then but now much more ita as well lol

[versed vigil]

Hell, it was normal from the start.

[mystic void]

GameCube and Xbox technically had it lol

[versed vigil]

People just don’t want to accept that, unless they use a legit good offset in the controls and in terms of distance from the triggers to the sticks (like, you know, what PlayStation does, not the cursed stuff Anbernic does), Xbox is usually better for 3D games.

[tranquil elbow]

Im just afraid the right analog being above the face buttons will never click with me

Im just too used to the opposite

we'll see I guess

the muscle memory will be hard to retrain

[versed vigil]

Think of it more like the Face buttons and D-Pad are in the middle, and the analog sticks are on the far top corners where they’ll be more easy to use with triggers.

[vital belfry]

Can we have this pinned instead of the cow stuff pls

[versed vigil]

Ah, you’re talking about muscle memory. Yeah, it’ll always take getting used to.

[tranquil elbow]

I can see that, but the motion "move your thumb up and to the right to access the buttons from the analog" has been ingrained in my brain since the ps2 haha

[plush silo]

It shouldn’t be too bad for me to relearn as I used not just the Wii U Gamepad, but the Wii U Pro Controller as well a lot many years ago

[limpid ledge]

Idk you can mirrorcast it but the delay sometimes can be a pain

[floral pebble]

This will be the best ape escape device

[versed vigil]

@blazing burrow We can now pin the price. Also would be best to pin Atheo’s comment on the chipset as well, so I’ll post it on the Classic channel so that it can be pinned there.

[random tulip]

Is your monitor matte and your devices glossy tho?

[tranquil elbow]

yeah

[random tulip]

Good. So I'm not alone 😆

[random tulip]

Then that probably has an effect too at muting the blacks

[copper burrow]

it's not really enough for me too these days 😄

[tranquil elbow]

could be, yeah

I do notice the ips glow when on the monitor, but only if Im looking for it, basically

to be fair I won the monitor lottery so mine has basically 0 backlight bleed (good panel too, that surely played a part)

[random tulip]

Yeah. The glow. Light bleed to some degree. Etc. all of it improves in most cases with oled

[tranquil elbow]

absolutely

[random tulip]

Ah. Yeah. That helps

[tranquil elbow]

but I dont really notice it, maybe Im just blind haha

I notice it if Im looking for them, but when Im playing or watching something, not really

[random tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/dozens-of-us-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-arrested-development-arrested-development-dozens-gif-18162954729757007693

[spring terrace]

The screen on the flip 2, is it a touch screen?

[random tulip]

Yeah. I mean I'll try it all. Haha

[tranquil elbow]

almost certainly a touchscreen yeah

[random tulip]

Pretty sure it's the RP5 screen

Last thing you want is an android device without touch. Linux is more forgiving

[spring terrace]

Yes I hadnt seen it confirmed anywhere so I was a bit concerned. Flip 1 was touchscreen?

[desert canyon]

oooooh man, those prices! That black flip 2 will be mine!

[random tulip]

Yup

I'm still torn on color

Maybe black is the way to go tho

[tranquil elbow]

GC all the way for me

black as a second option

[random tulip]

Can't go wrong with SNES tho

[random tulip]

Had a GC RP5. And I got annoyed with people noticing it and talking to me 😆

[tranquil elbow]

never take it out of the house like me, bam problem solved

[fluid stone]

Just stop leaving the house tbh

[desert canyon]

they honestly all look good

the ice, Snes, black, GC

i'd love them all

but my default is black

[random tulip]

I have to

[floral pebble]

Skill issue

[random tulip]

Lack of clone issue

[lilac sable]

Black rp5 + 6 button classic combo

[random tulip]

Id get the transparent but have 0 faith the plastic won't be more brittle

[peak nacelle]

I don't think I've seen anyone say they wanted the transparent yet, though Im only half paying attention

I'll probably get that, if I get one at all

[floral pebble]

The ice looks nice but what I WANT is cow

[true zodiac]

Think I'd tend towards the black, the extra colour on the GC over all grey controls just feels like a poor cosplay, transparent is rarely my first choice and na snes would remind me of my least used handheld (rp3+)

[stray dagger]

put some white stickers onto the black one

[random tulip]

Yeah they really missed out having a white. Black sharpie and BAM. 🐄 🐮 🐄 🐮

[peak nacelle]

Transparent plastic can be strong af, like riot helmet visors, but no idea here.

[random tulip]

Traditionally on handhelds it's been a mixed bag

More ok on stuff you don't open and close daily

[peak nacelle]

I can understand the hesitation

[true zodiac]

Yeah, while it probably won't be an issue, it seems like an unnecessary risk unless you love that version.

[random tulip]

A risk on an already risky proposition

[desert canyon]

i'd honestly buy the cow

i only ever buy black or white anyway

[peak nacelle]

The GC probably looks pretty good to people who grew up in that generation but aren't knowledgeable of the current retro scene. I could see it being something that would get people's interest. Whether you would want their interest is another matter.

[left turret]

shame on you retroid for not releasing rp flip 2 cow colourway limited for 200 early preorders

[true zodiac]

I had that colour GC, but it's not really the same thing with the difference in button layout and just the casing colour and grey controls would be a better combo for me as it would evoke the memories without seeming odd.

[tranquil elbow]

what do you mean the grey controls? the grey looks very similar to the original GC gamepad to me

ah you meant all grey controls

[true zodiac]

Yeah, all grey with the GC purple would be awesome.

[tranquil elbow]

I prefer the color buttons, but I can see that

just buy an odin portal!

[peak nacelle]

This is smaller tho. Only reason I want it really

[true zodiac]

Still rocking my og Odin 2, stupidly good value from it.

[floral pebble]

It's not purple though

Indigo

[tranquil elbow]

isnt there a purple one?

[floral pebble]

Blurple at best

[tranquil elbow]

good enough

[tall lichen]

This has been changed I believe

This is what they told me when I reached out the day they announced the $10 off

[steady osprey]

Wow, I can't believe how good the price is on the D1100 model, that should sell quite well

[steady osprey]

I thought with all the tariff stuff this was coming in at 219/249

[random tulip]

I guess. For $20 more I feel like s865 is a no-brainer

[random tulip]

We pay the tarrifs

[steady osprey]

Yea totally but I think the D1100 price is enticing enough for those that don't want to splurge on SD variant

[random tulip]

It's always nice to have options

[steady osprey]

I understand that but a lot of companies are also preemptively increasing prices

(because they can I guess)

[random tulip]

To catch dumb people. I'm sure Retroid would catch flack tho

[blazing burrow]

Welp, I guess we dont need to cow post anymore

[steady osprey]

Retroid will catch flack regardless 😉

[blazing burrow]

Its been a good run

[random tulip]

Never! Need cow skin

[blazing burrow]

[steady osprey]

A cow never forgets

[blazing burrow]

Retroid Flip 2

[rigid thicket]

Sometimes a company will tank tariffs and increase prices just so there's no surprise for the customer, but with how uh...wild the tariff situation is there's no way to safely tank them.

[spring terrace]

THIS IS COW ERASURE

[tranquil elbow]

there prolly dont have any tariffs on their existing chip stock cause they bought them before

the fact there are 2 versions is a good indicator they have a good stock of both snapdragon and 1100 they need to unload

[random tulip]

Well it's all made in Asia so they don't pay tarrifs to themselves

[tranquil elbow]

the company is american though

[random tulip]

Nobody would do that now with on and off again tarrifs

[rigid thicket]

The company is based in like, France aren't they?

[random tulip]

Doesn't matter. It's where it's made

[tranquil elbow]

no? if they buy from an american company, they need to pay like they were buying from the US

[rigid thicket]

But yeah, tariffs apply to the country importing.

[random tulip]

No. It's literally on the shipped goods

[tranquil elbow]

cause Qualcomm declares taxes in the US

[rigid thicket]

So the customer pays for it.

[random tulip]

Yeah. It's has nothing to do with where it's headquartered

[lilac sable]

https://tenor.com/view/hum-human-tea-gif-25379624

sea cow

[random tulip]

It's the factory the chips come out of and where they go from there

[rigid thicket]

Like, tariffs would affect them if they imported materials from the US or something.

[random tulip]

Yeah

[tranquil elbow]

that's not how it works according to my friends who live in China

[random tulip]

Doesn't mean he's got it right tho. Heh

[tranquil elbow]

company is american, you pay tariffs even if they make the stuff behind your house

[random tulip]

Plenty of people here don't understand them either

[rigid thicket]

Like, Qualcomm would pay tariffs bringing the chips back to the US.

[random tulip]

There might be other taxes they impose on foreign owned companies cause China. But that's not what s tarrif is

Or if they require materials to make the chips that come from abroad

[tranquil elbow]

thats when China imposes tariffs on the US, yes

[rigid thicket]

Tariffs are on the importers, not the exporter.

If the US tariffs 50% on, for example, the Flip 2 specifically then anyone who buys the Flip 2 in the US would pay 50% more. Retroid has already made the sale, they don't incur any increased cost.

[peak nacelle]

: dignified moo :

[tranquil elbow]

ok then Qualcomm pays tariffs for importing chips from china, then sells them back to retroid at the increased cost

[random tulip]

That seems dumb. But sure. If they're dumb

[rigid thicket]

They wouldn't export the chips to the US and then reimport them to China though.

[quiet reef]

4px to avoid tarrifs

[tranquil elbow]

not physically

[quiet reef]

?

[random tulip]

Pay tarrifs to then charge tarrifs. For shipping to a country and then back to the same country

[tranquil elbow]

but bureaucratically, they are an US company so they need to sell their chips "from" the US

[rigid thicket]

It only applies to physical goods coming into a country.

Otherwise digital goods would be subject to tariffs.

[summer marsh]

MFW I have to pay tariffs on my Genshin pulls

[rigid thicket]

Black Myth Wukong for $150 when tariffs hit. 😂

[random tulip]

Yeah. I dunno. Maybe there's some US requirement to ship chips from here. Seems kinda bonkers but

[tranquil elbow]

alright then explain me why chinese computer shops sell their current stock at the normal prices but everything new, released after tariffs, has ludicrous prices

real life experience of my friend who lives there a week ago

[random tulip]

What brands?

[tranquil elbow]

AMD

[quiet reef]

yikes

[random tulip]

No. Like the computers

Cause some are assembled overseas and shipped back

[rigid thicket]

I mean, new stuff in general is ludicrously priced just due to stock.

[random tulip]

Well there's a ton of reasons

[rigid thicket]

Like, none of the new GPUs are actually selling at MSRP.

[tranquil elbow]

they're assembled in the shop 10 mins away from my friend's house

[random tulip]

Tarrifs just increase shipping cost in general

So it raises all prices.

[rigid thicket]

But yeah, obviously there's some nuance. They could be sourcing metal from the US or something.

[random tulip]

So price increases can be BECAUSE of tarrifs. But doesn't mean it's actually a tarrif charge

[rigid thicket]

Or they could be importing/scalping supply for the US to resell locally.

[random tulip]

Like if they use a machine manufactured in the US to produce chips, and now that costs 20% more to import, they'll raise prices to cover that

But that doesn't mean the chips themselves are being tarrifed

[rigid thicket]

tl;dr: It's complicated

[random tulip]

Yeah. And really good for no one

[rigid thicket]

Expecially when the guy is snip snapping.

[hushed shadow]

anyone have a url for the pricing/preorder info for the flip2?

[rigid thicket]

Companies buying material/stock for months in advance to "avoid" tariffs only for it to not happen.

[random tulip]

Especially between one country that relies heavily on imports from another country that relies heavily on exports to that country. It basically just hurts both

[hushed shadow]

I Dont' see it on their site and someone told me it was live... I prolly fell for something didn't i??

[rigid thicket]

Probably Twitter?

Pre-orders aren't live until the 17th

[random tulip]

Yeah def from social media

[quiet reef]

It's happening

Going in when preorders open

[steady osprey]

So us Canadians are lookin at $350 including shipping assuming no additional surprise fees on arrival for SD865 Flip2

The conversion is just DESTROYING me right now

I got my Odin 2 for not much more than that, so crunching the numbers that IS a tough sell 😦

[tranquil elbow]

210€ for me

[peak nacelle]

Trudeau what Nintendon't

[steady osprey]

Trudeau isn't the Prime Minister anymore, get better jokes

[rigid thicket]

The Switch 2 is coming soon for those that want that too.

[peak nacelle]

I don't pay attention to politics, I wouldn't waste my life on it

[steady osprey]

That's VERY fair lol

[random tulip]

So in summary, yes, your friend is seeing higher prices for most goods, just like we are. But it doesn't mean those devices are hardware being shipped from the US, or because it's an American company. It can just be the downstream effect of both countries having to pay more for their logistics because of tarrifs. Being passed on to him as a consumer. Or the business is just an asshole and is fleecing people. Not sure what protections China has against everyone just raising prices just cause.

[rigid thicket]

Pay attention to policies, not the monkeys wearing the suits 😂

[random tulip]

I know we have zero protections here

[steady osprey]

I don't think the words "protections" and "China" are often used in the same sentence

[hushed shadow]

thank you

[random tulip]

That's not true. But ok. Heh

There are benefits to protecting your citizens to keep them more productive. In many ways it's the smarter thing to do

[steady osprey]

Did Retroid Chris really resign?

[random tulip]

Oh wow

[quiet reef]

Unfortunately yes