Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[warped leaf]

2025 really seems like the year the retro handheld market bubble will burst, with the budget tier being pretty much a solved game and no big room for improvement in the mid end

[stray dagger]

also loud buttons, eww

[limpid ledge]

Unless you have the black or sfc the black is my favorite one 🤭

[echo lynx]

Where's my 3ds

[stray dagger]

feels like I got into this at the right time, grabbed 50 nice device and made off with them, shame about the Flip 2 tho

[warped leaf]

yeah i'll start hoarding mine instead of getting rid of them so willy nilly

i bet the flip 2 will still be a thing anyway though, it's not like retroid is gonna be bankrupt by next week

if anything it's their big make or break

[hybrid viper]

There's no market to burst. These are just phones with controls, and people can't refrain from buying a new one even if it's not any better than their old one

[warped leaf]

i still think any chance of dual screens on anything but x86 devices is a huge cope

[coral valley]

Already been proven to work but I digress

[warped leaf]

yeah of course it works

but i don't see it happening

[hybrid viper]

I think a dual screen device will happen but it'll be some no name company so the quality will be shit

You need somebody who doesn't give a damn about Nintendo lawyers

[coral valley]

ONEXSUGAR SWEEP 2025

[coral valley]

I'd trust onexplayer more than retroid ngl

https://youtu.be/9JKiq8xY2bY

[naive hollow]

i wouldn't

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-man-idk-i-dont-know-gif-27358524

[naive hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cam-cat-camera-cat-wide-cat-wide-gif-16729570673879006163

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-tole-tole-gif-11000765422344341626

[versed vigil]

I can trust them to make it, I’m not gonna trust them to make it worthwhile or inexpensive.

They’re pretty much AYANEO, but with better quality control so the prices are at least a little more reasonable.

[coral valley]

Oh yeah it's for sure going to be expensive, it's expected to come with an 8 gen 3 so I'm not expecting any less than $500. Not worthwhile though? I feel like that might be understating what this could mean going forward.

[echo lynx]

What exactly is the doubt about it's implementation?

Drastic has the top screen output

Citra mmj does too

Configure top as external

[versed vigil]

It mostly depends on whether they make sure all 3 of the hinges this thing is using won’t break or even get damaged from use.

Unless I missed an update and they swapped to using magnets and pogo pins, like what the Switch 2 is doing, in which case I suppose that’s at least better for longevity, even if I still don’t like the idea much.

[coral valley]

No, you haven't missed anything, there's been very little info regarding it, so I wouldn't blame you for being skeptical. Personally I still think they added too many moving parts

I'm on that early adopter mentality

[echo lynx]

Actual desperation

Betrayal!!!!!

[coral valley]

I'll probably get both 🤷‍♂️

SUPER SP 2026 SWEEP

[limpid ledge]

Big big loss for retroid

[vital belfry]

Seems like he’s in contact with David thought

No?

“And I also want to give Chris some days to stay away from social media completely”

As in they figured out together it would be best to avoid the shitstorm for now

[noble canyon]

They already said they are going to I think

David said they’re looking through the Reddit feedback

[tacit gorge]

get em cows back in here!

[echo lynx]

Mediatek kills the sweep

[tawdry dove]

https://tenor.com/view/big-city-greens-cricket-green-cow-kick-away-gif-17427233

[versed vigil]

Depends on how they handle it.

It’s a long shot, but I won’t lie, I’m willing to give them 1 shot at doing right.

If they can’t do that, then I’m fine with saying screw it.

[coral valley]

Wait I thought you were hype what changed

Is a dimensity processor really that bad?

[versed vigil]

Update from Stubbs on the situation with Chris, for anyone unaware.

[coral valley]

David mentioned something about Chris taking a break, there is a possibility he could come back I think. (If he wants to)

[ripe flare]

there's still the sd865 option tho right

[formal latch]

That's great and all, but are they really sticking to their guns about only allowing the 200 returns?

[versed vigil]

No one knows, David just got back.

[stray dagger]

better prices which you are still going to pay is still wild
and probably doesn't helps if you shipped with 4PX?

[open sonnet]

It would be funny if sudden mass chargebacks and PayPal disputes causes Retroid to be blocked for a while.

[vital belfry]

Based of what rgc wrote in his channel I assume they’ll remove or loosen the limitations

[stray dagger]

I mean a limited return window is reasonable, but it should be a month or something, given how they ain't going to directly mail people about it I assume

[open sonnet]

What's the most ridiculous to me is even now they wouldn't put an official disclaimer or warning on their product page because they always have that "but our products are perfect and we have done nothing wrong" stance.

[vital belfry]

I think forwarding it is better

[vital belfry]

I have asked David about this specifically but haven’t gotten a response

[limpid ledge]

@stray dagger

[versed vigil]

Not even joking when I say I literally just asked him about that.

[vital belfry]

Of course RNS gets a response 😤

[versed vigil]

Did you happen to reply ping him? If not, your comment may have gotten lost in the messages.

[stray dagger]

yeah I'm aware, but DHL shipping to China with an insured package is like 46€

not that I have the issue, since I didn't buy an RP Mini in the first place

[vital belfry]

Of course I’m a professional harasser

[vital belfry]

[limpid ledge]

I ping him about 4px I got a response as well

[limpid ledge]

45

[versed vigil]

Fair enough, I guess maybe he got a bunch of reply pings and he hasn’t seen all of them yet?

[vital belfry]

Not like it matter now anyway

[versed vigil]

Don’t really know how else to explain him replying almost instantly to me.

[vital belfry]

No biggie

[vital belfry]

Timing

[limpid ledge]

If I was me i would sell to pawn shop or something

[stray dagger]

you could go with the 2kg one without insurance, that will never arrive, for 19bucks

[vital belfry]

Tempting

[stray dagger]

tempting that you have no way to prove you even send your return? sure

[vital belfry]

Luckily I’ll never have to return anything because I buy the right stuff

[stray dagger]

RP5 no-shader-issues-master-race

[vital belfry]

Can’t wait to get rid of mine once I get my flip 2

[stray dagger]

if there will be a Flip 2

[cyan seal]

Idk why folks are like “if there will even be a Flip 2!”

You think this is gonna bankrupt Moorechip?

Nah dude. Folks are too hyped up for a clamshell and whatever Ayn (a Moorechip company) puts out next.

[coral valley]

Odin 2 portal flip when

[versed vigil]

Thank you for handling it, I just got back.

[vital belfry]

Honestly I don’t even know if we’re in the right channel

I feel like I’m influencing people to return their mini to buy a flip 2 instead

[formal latch]

So there may actually be a legitimate risk to the future of the company with this situation?

[coral valley]

Only they can know that tbh

[formal latch]

Fair

[vital belfry]

Depends on the sheer amount of refunds

[left turret]

they're gonna pay for flip 2 anyways

[limpid ledge]

Oh

Flip 2 has to work

Or they fucked

[formal latch]

Tough call. Sounds like it's this, to me: Do they issue the returns and potentially go belly up from that, or tell everyone "too bad, so sad", ruin their reputation, and lose sales in the future?
I wouldn't want to be in those shoes.
But like Bennieboi said, only they know

[open sonnet]

I doubt they have sold enough units to be able to bankrupt them even if everyone refunded, really.

[coral valley]

I agree, if it was the rp5 with the issue, I think they'd be at much bigger risk, but the rp mini didn't sell too much in the first place

[open sonnet]

They just don't want to lose so much money because it's technically not a defect. It's just they messed up on communicating the issue and missed the chance to properly address it.

[coral valley]

Which is ironic because I think they're going to get more return requests now than they would have had they not limited the amount

[vital belfry]

Just ask Ayn to lend them some of that portal money

[limpid ledge]

I don't know it's cost money

[tacit latch]

man, I was really looking forward to the flip 2

[hybrid viper]

Such an overblown issue it's actually ridiculous

[limpid ledge]

So if flip 2 doesn't work as well

Chai

How the fuck anbernic got away for this anbernic is so lucky sometimes

[open sonnet]

But eh, they're just a small Chinese company. In the most extreme case if things don't look right they can just shut it down and start another company and then we overseas customers won't be able to do anything.

[coral valley]

Maybe they'll fully integrate into Ayn

Ayndroid will be born

[limpid ledge]

You saying that but if retroid shut down that will be most biggest loss in retro handhelds scene

Anbernic is the reason why even you are losing short teem you can win the long term thanks to tiktok and Instagram rise

And cheaper devices

[open sonnet]

The difference is that Anbernic doesn't promise much. With Retroid you have Chris promising that they will make things right for everyone which apparently isn't in line with the company's policy.

[coral valley]

Yeah for most anbernic products you pay cheap so most people's expectations aren't as high. It's the same reason Ayaneo rightfully gets torn into for defects

[limpid ledge]

Yh plus their social media marking is active but more than anbernic in general

[limpid ledge]

That's true

They would get discounted less than 6 weeks

[jolly kayak]

Anything new?

[coral valley]

😬

Retroid is going through it right now

[tawdry dove]

No flip news
Retroid keeps shooting itself in the foot
And im running out of cow memes

[limpid ledge]

But doesn't mean Retroid fucked chris over as well

[versed vigil]

Yeah, right up until you start buying their non-budget options, then you find the exact same customer support you can expect from them in budget.

[jolly kayak]

Saw some of that briefly

[coral valley]

That is true as well, I think the fact that people don't feel as attached to Anbernic is also a factor

[jolly kayak]

Imo the mini not being refunded or being refunded is over blown, just a result of retroid being open with its customers for some reason

[versed vigil]

Only difference between then and now is really that Retroid’s on a similar level of expected customer support, nothing about this suddenly makes Anbernic’s customer support better.

[coral valley]

It's like finding out the latest movie in a franchise you like sucks. It hurts more than watching a random movie that's bad

[jolly kayak]

Don't they all today hahaa

[left turret]

yeah th rg cube incident

[versed vigil]

No, this is more similar to all the movie franchises usually sucking, and then the one you thought was pretty good screwing up significantly badly on one of their latest movies.

[vital belfry]

Didn’t like half of the XX-line have some sort of incident

[coral valley]

A little more pessimistic of an interpretation but yeah

[versed vigil]

At least the others you can expect to be slop that you can get some entertainment from, you didn’t expect to get a bad movie from that.

[vital belfry]

Let’s not forget they shipped with pirated roms AND ports

[jolly kayak]

I wonder how much of it is people treating these devices as if they were premium build quality. Ive had 0 issues with my SP but I baby it and wash my hands before using it and always put it in a case for storage.

Then there's folks that drop their devices 2 or 3 times

[vital belfry]

Which they removed

[vital belfry]

But then they added them back for download on their website

And you could request them via email

[versed vigil]

They had the foreground knowledge of knowing Retroid massively messed up on the RP2 with the Retroid store and then removed it from the RP2+ onwards, and then several years later decided it would be a good idea to do it on their newest handhelds after literally everyone else decided to avoid doing that.

[vital belfry]

I only actively got into the scene once the 2+ dropped

That’s a new revelation for me

“Retroid store” 😆

[versed vigil]

Even Powkiddy hasn’t done it on any of their handhelds, they just go for pre-loaded cards (which are still bad, but it’s still better than a freaking downloadable rom repository).

[versed vigil]

Oh yeah, I had the original RP2 as one of my first handhelds, and it was effectively a “Linux-like” os that was enough of a janky mess that I outright just avoided using it to stick with the regular Android frontend.

[versed vigil]

But man, you really only learned about it now?

[limpid ledge]

Oh same rp2+ for taki video

[vital belfry]

5 minutes ago, yes

Yeah the first retro devices that caught my eye were the 351 line by anbernic

And then I saw the 2+ on ltt

Anthony was the goat

[limpid ledge]

Guys it's not looking good

Retroid need to sort this out

QUICK QUICK FAST FAST

[vital belfry]

Only Chris can save them now

[jolly kayak]

Is there a lot of people worrying about this?

[hybrid viper]

People just love drama, they flock to it like a moth to a flame

[stray dagger]

Retroid did that to themselves, just quietly accepting returns would have been better

[wintry oxide]

Is anything quiet in this hobby?

[coral valley]

Honestly yeah, the people upset about it could have quietly returned theirs and this would have blown over

[coral valley]

The buttons are sometimes

[versed vigil]

Not really, no.

[wintry oxide]

Not the mini's buttons, but I don't mind, just makes me self-conscious sometimes

[coral valley]

Sometimes you just gotta let everyone know you're a gamer

[wintry oxide]

I honestly never noticed the issue and still haven't looked for it and wonder how many people would have noticed if they hadn't heard about it and went looking for it

[open sonnet]

Oh yeah. I'm just here for the drama.

[wintry oxide]

I do think it's understandable Retroid got worried about more people using it as an excuse to return devices, but wish there was a better solution

[vital belfry]

Not the mini buttons though

[coral valley]

Unfortunately they chose the worst possible time to start allowing returns

They should have started before announcing the flip 2 or classic

[wintry oxide]

Yeah, that is bad timing now that you mention it

[echo lynx]

Depending on how they handle Mali gpus? I'm not sure there's much to be done.

[echo lynx]

Oh no it's still the best option and mhm 6x integer scaling

[versed vigil]

Oh that was about Retroid now that David was back.

I’m fine with Mediatek devices, as you can tell from the fact I still enjoy both the AYANEO Pocket Micro and the A1 Unicorn, but I’d prefer Snapdragon if there’s any options for it.

[craggy kestrel]

I don't really know how much of an issue the RP mini screen issue is but I also kind of understand the limited window from Retroid's perspective.

As often as the retro handheld industry changes, with new devices coming out more and more many people who may not have noticed the screen issues on their own may try to use the return window so they can try to buy the best/brightest easier

[coral valley]

I dont have any issues with the limited time returns honestly, though the hard limit of 200 is definitely too much, and the limit should have been a month imo. Really, they shot themselves in the foot here by not starting earlier because now people would actually just return a mini to use that money to buy a flip 2 or classic.

[craggy kestrel]

I'm sure it's a legitimate issue for some people but yeah I agree, people are just going to try to get rid of their minis for something new

I was trying to figure out what to due with my Flip 1 when the 2 comes out, since I don't want a bunch of handhelds just sitting around unused but I also don't want to deal with trying to sell it so I'm going to try to figure someone to gift it to

[severe ridge]

some of the reviewers were interested in buying them i think

[craggy kestrel]

Also keep this in mind before you all get excited about pre-ordering the flip 2.....while Retroid, Anbernic, etc may be big names in the handheld industry you're still buying an obscure product from a "niche" manufacturer that thrives on a grey market most likely outside of your country.....waiting for reviews is recommended

[severe ridge]

lol

florida man didnt see #1276840395430694923 today

or the shitstorm in the retroid discord

or #announcements message

[craggy kestrel]

I did not lol was just scrolling through here

[tacit latch]

boy are you in for a treat

[south mantle]

This channel is the Retroid Support line

I was just reading back through it all

Rough

[south mantle]

So uh why aren’t review units a thing??

[rigid thicket]

Retroid doesn't even make real units until pre-orders start.

It's why it takes so long for orders to start shipping.

Miyoo sends out review units and I thiiiiink Anbernic does too?

[versed vigil]

Nah, Anbernic tells community devs they’ll give them open source if they help with the stock firmware, only to give them jack shit afterwards.

[rigid thicket]

Pretty sure they send out review units, just not dev units 🙃

[cyan seal]

I went into the channel to catch up as well

https://tenor.com/xH75.gif

[copper burrow]

yeahhhhh things got a bit toasty

[plush silo]

Having slept on it now, I think some parts of this drama absolutely got overblown in hindsight, but...
Idk, doesn't change the fact this could've been handled a lot better by Retroid, but I don't think it's the kind of thing that will straight up make me not wanna buy from them.
It was mostly a good wake-up call to not act like they're much better than other emulation handheld companies like Anbernic and pretend they're this entity that can do no wrong.
Will be seeing how they respond tomorrow.

[copper burrow]

it's a 5/10 issue dialed up to 10 by how it was handled

i expect those who need shaders to live to not enjoy that take but w/e 😄

[cyan seal]

This 1000%

It's not going to stop Flip fanatics from pre-ordering the Flip 2

It might hurt Classic sales, since that form-factor is sort of saturated

And I doubt that MagicX is going to make something with the same horsepower, unless they magicxally get a tranche of Snapdragon chips

[wooden phoenix]

And being the tester to find all the issues they didn't bother with lol. Like every device they've released since the rp2+. I appreciate your sacrifice sir 🍻

[cyan seal]

🍻

[wooden phoenix]

For some reason, even with all their botched releases, people still look at retroid products with rose colored glasses. It's the weirdest thing. Honestly don't see this mini drama changing that. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[stray dagger]

well, pre-orders are kinda off the table at the moment, gotta wait out any potential issues

[tacit latch]

Retroid does send review units, but it takes a while, usually happens after preorders start

[gentle badge]

This is the first time they’ve told the victims of those issues to pound sand instead of being the one handheld company with decent after sales

At least since I joined the community

Like they fixed people’s flip hinges, they fixed their crappy rp4 triggers, then they baited everyone into keeping the mini over promises that they will make it right either by fixing it or extending the return window then they rugpulled everyone.

[jolly kayak]

Bruh

Seems to only be an issue for shaders

[gentle badge]

You are incorrect

The screen simply cannot actually draw 960 lines of pixels. It is running at the wrong res.

[floral pebble]

It didn't seem like the majority of people were saying their broken triggers or hinges didn't bother them

[gentle badge]

But also even if it were only affecting shaders that still doesn’t change that a resolution was promised of fix or refund.

[floral pebble]

I'm not saying it's not an issue but it seems like less of one

[jolly kayak]

They should've never promised a fix xD

Ye seems super minor

[gentle badge]

Correct, then people would’ve refunded 4 months ago instead.

[ancient robin]

To be fair I'm pretty sure 99% of people that realized 4 months ago were out of the return window

[gentle badge]

You don’t seem to get that they promised later refunds to prevent immediate ones

[plush silo]

A big kicker for me is the timing.
The fact that this is happening with the Flip 2 and Classic on the horizon

[gentle badge]

Retroid decided to turn this into an indefinite liability to dodge an immediate one, I’m not going to be sympathetic to them deciding to take on that risk and now trying to weasel out of it

[plush silo]

But yeah, regardless of how minor the issue seems, saying you'll fix it and then going back on that is just not a good look regardless of the reason

[ancient robin]

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they legitimately assumed they could fix the issue. Screen running at the wrong res compared to the actual hardware sure seems like a problem that could be fixed in software

[gentle badge]

100%, but they hard committed to refunds if the issue wound up being unfixable

[ancient robin]

Yup, a terrible move

[gentle badge]

So that people wouldn’t return immediately and maybe rebuy if it got fixed

[ancient robin]

They're not a large company, it's a serious financial issue for them no matter what now

[ancient robin]

I don't doubt this at all

It's tough no matter what they do, I do think offering a no restraints 7 day return window like Russ suggested is probably the best move

[gentle badge]

If it actually did sell poorly compared to the rp5 and everyone who isn’t using shaders loves their mini the returns will hurt but isn’t exactly something a business shouldn’t be able to weather.

[ancient robin]

They did get 200 requests immediately so it's not a tiny number

If they hadn't promised refunds I think a $30ish coupon would be fine. It's an issue with the hardware but not unusable or anything

But the promise was dumb and now they're stuck

[gentle badge]

Yeah it means they sold probably several thousand minis, of which they may have to refund 25% which makes a big absolute number but then you have to take into account they probably sold 10x as many rp5, who knows how many rp4, rp3+… having to refund 25% of a sku that sold too poorly to restock certain colours sucks but it shouldn’t tank the company without gross mismanagement

[copper burrow]

it is but dont let people know that 😄

[ancient robin]

They could probably resell them too, call them refurb units

[gentle badge]

But yeah as is every single rp mini sold without a proper disclaimer about the issue on the shop page is a bit of an outstanding liability

[ancient robin]

People keep telling them to put one up, shocked they haven't

Really doubt it's selling enough for them to worry that'll kill sales

[versed vigil]

Yeah, that’s the main thing I’m still annoyed about.

Like, MagicX had the excuse of the fact they literally don’t have control over the Mini M listings, so they’re completely dependent on Ampown changing it to reflect the chip. And even then they still made the issue as public as they possibly could.

Retroid literally runs their own webstore and hasn’t mentioned the issue anywhere outside of Discord.

[random tulip]

The risk being new shit constantly launching. Who knows who would have returned

Who knows. Possible they couldn't have financially handled the returns either

Not saying that's justification but
...

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-cow-gif-24965573

[random tulip]

Again the real fix is probably just not to buy immediately

Not that I can ever resist

[versed vigil]

Eh, the only reason why I bought Retroid’s stuff immediately was because I was willing to trust any issues would be solved (and the only reason I still buy anything from Anbernic at all is because I’m willing to spend up to $80-$100 on their stuff, and I refuse to buy anything higher than that from them).

Beyond that? I genuinely have not had a hard time with waiting for most handhelds or at least for confirmation from someone with an early unit to say it’s good.

[limpid ledge]

I think the min they found the problem and realised it's can't be fix they should notice the issue and stuff

Post on the website

[gentle badge]

Yeah they kept selling it with no notice of the problem on their store for months and now it’s biting them

Even after they knew

[random tulip]

Wise

[limpid ledge]

That's one they didn't think through and it was miscommunication

[gentle badge]

I think selling my rp5 for a flip 2 at this point would be a massive risk given my rp5 works. The classic might have a closed source mediatek chip that I write it off over but given their current issues with customer service I’m not sure what I’d actually be getting for buying new vs used if they don’t actually do anything.

[random tulip]

I mean waiting to buy until reviews is commonly mentioned when it comes to major corp manufacturers. Probably wise to use with even "reliable" ones here

Eh. Or reviews you trust

That's shocking.

[limpid ledge]

Retroid pocket mini is actually not problem so I think it's fine to buy if you are not like crt lover

[gentle badge]

Yeah some issues only really come up once 1000 are in hands rather than just 10 review units

[floral pebble]

Even Odin has problems with battery swelling

Mailing back something like that to get it fixed

[gentle badge]

Or wait until devs get their hands on units, they’re usually pretty good at finding odd issues

[random tulip]

Every electronic has battery swelling issues the cheaper it gets. Heh

[limpid ledge]

To be honest no one would notice because if you can the see the video you can't really see it

[floral pebble]

I'm impressed when there's any kind of warranty on chinese crap honestly

[limpid ledge]

Even odin 2

[random tulip]

Not saying odins are cheap. But same things from bigger manus and things get spicy

[gentle badge]

If they did nothing at all they wouldn’t be able to accept western credit cards

[limpid ledge]

You noticed it but it's not even bad

[gentle badge]

Chargebacks are the nuclear option for western consumers regardless of where the vendor is and if you get too many they’ll straight up refuse to let their cardholders pay you going forward.

[limpid ledge]

For me anyway

But I can see why it is the problem

[floral pebble]

Did you return yours?

[random tulip]

I'm the type of person who'd probably never notice 😆

I switch devices too much tho

[gentle badge]

I use shaders so my rp5 vs mini decision was made for me

[copper burrow]

umpopular opinion here 😄

[plush silo]

I saw someone say it was pretty much only Russ that mentioned the whole shaders issue in their review?
And I do remember him mentioning it in one of his two videos (forget if it was first impressions or the actual review).
There might've been someone else who mentioned it in their video, but otherwise, yeah, almost no one really talked about it in the videos I've seen from that period

[limpid ledge]

I don't even use shaders maybe I'm too young to understand because I would use it for ps1 dc to up ps2 4:3 screen

[copper burrow]

you not alone, i dont use them either, much if ever

[random tulip]

Same

[limpid ledge]

It's reminds me of my old crt tv

[floral pebble]

It's not because I'm not old enough but... No shaders here either

[random tulip]

Honestly I try to configure as little as possible. Basically just to get it to run

[uncut crescent]

Tbh, since those systems I can use other hacks and such, i tend not to use shaders on those unless its pixel based

[random tulip]

But I understand people chasing the look they prefer

[versed vigil]

Yup, them sending dev units significantly earlier than Pre-orders (so that they have time to find anything) and the devs legit finding nothing beyond pure-software quirks is pretty much the only way I’d even consider pre-ordering. And if the issue is bad enough, I’m not even gonna bother waiting for a used unit and just giving up entirely.

[floral pebble]

I don't use a front end on android devices

[jolly kayak]

I thought shaders were useless until I tried one for DS. Them pixel squares and screen look are GOOOD

[south mantle]

That’s unfortunate

[limpid ledge]

Main problem is Retroid promised too much that they didn't think this through or put the notice on time again it's months since they found this issue

Plus high expectations on retroid was too much

Because the retroid past of good customer service taking care of your problems

[jolly kayak]

Time for ghost of retroid past, present, and future vid

[limpid ledge]

But now then miscommunication on customer service and 200 limit was too much

[gentle badge]

Can you imagine if they’d limited flip hinge or rp4 trigger fixes to the lucky first 200 lol

[limpid ledge]

Exactly this is why people was so pissed at retroid in the first place

[jolly kayak]

Yall overblowing and making some silly statements

Trigger replacement is easy. Any physical part that arrives faulty is easy.

[versed vigil]

Yeah, and it sucks when, for one of the most innocuous and easy to fix problems (not many people are too bothered by it, so if you combined the “we tried our genuine best to solve it, but we couldn’t” with them actually extending the refunds unconditionally so that the few people who were legit bothered by the problem could return without issue, they legit very likely wouldn’t have had as many refunds because it wouldn’t be big enough news beyond “Retroid screwed up and is doing their best to fix the problem for people”), they decided to be anti-consumer at the worst time possible and screw people over after directly promising a fix or refund.

[wooden phoenix]

There shouldn't be a widespread issue like they have every release, they do with hardware what anbernic used to do with software. Release it and let the community find the issues. But keep thinking it's awesome to spend 200 bucks on something you have to do your own replacement for a week after purchase. That's cool lol

[limpid ledge]

Exactly

[versed vigil]

“What Anbernic used to do”

Don’t just try sneaking that in, they’re just as bad at hardware and even worse with software. The only stock firmware they’ve ever had that’s good was the H700 stuff.

[random tulip]

I add them whenever I'm buying something for a friend. But yeah. Launching apps is just as easy

[wooden phoenix]

True but...they are actively trying now which is something we all know they used to never do. lol

[versed vigil]

The reason we’re fine with them is because they’re budget.

[limpid ledge]

This

[jolly kayak]

No one is making or forcing people to pre order or even order within the first month. Silly billy

[limpid ledge]

And they don't care

[stray dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWz4sZT8W8k

[wooden phoenix]

And I disagree. They don't have major issues every hardware release. The hinge popping up sometimes sure. The battery have some issues sure. But it isn't as widespread and we all know that.

[copper burrow]

light bleed in the cube was pretty bad, fun times

[random tulip]

Diagonals on rg34xx dpad say hi

[fathom geyser]

The only ones that haven’t in recent memory have been the 2S and the 5

[versed vigil]

No, it’s because they’ve been using the same software for almost a whole year of their handhelds, and even they know it would be dumb to leave it at where it was for all that time if they’re already modifying it for different screens and stuff like the SP’s magnet.

[wooden phoenix]

rp2+ had issues, the rp4 had issues the 3+ had issues and the 3 probably did lol

[plush silo]

The RP2s and RP5 were relatively issue-less releases (RP5 almost would've had A10 and 6gb ram, but they changed that before release thankfully).
If Retroid can tap into that start more consistently releasing products that don't release with issues, it'll be better for them in the long-term.
That said, I still think I will rather just play it safe and buy a product after release as opposed to pre-ordering it

[random tulip]

Mine was actually pretty good..well the one I got second hand

[copper burrow]

3 was pretty shite, then the 3 plus came out 3 months later 😄

[wooden phoenix]

Okay forgot about the light bleed. but you're right. we do give them a bigger pass because they are budget and it deservers a bigger pass. I give anbernic and powkiddy and miyoo more leniency than someone releasing products ranging from 2 to 300 dollars lol

[versed vigil]

It’s not as consistent among their devices because most people don’t bother to post about shitty issues in budget handhelds unless it’s actually something egregious and widespread enough.

[random tulip]

Again. One of those cases where being a year behind in spending wouldn't hurt. Besides not being able to talk about it. Which let's be honest, is everyone heres real hobby 😆

[plush silo]

While I don't think either Anbernic or Retroid doing dumb stuff is good, I will give a bit more leniency to the company that has more budget-priced products

[versed vigil]

Literally every post about someone getting a damaged display right from the box from Anbernic gets buried under hundreds of posts about people being happy with their budget handheld.

[limpid ledge]

The problem is we expect from anbernic but retroid we don't expect it because retroid can solve it

[hybrid viper]

Wait Chads we just can't stop winning. Sure feels good pointing and laughing at people who buy Chinese handhelds on day one expecting a perfect device

[versed vigil]

Exactly my point. I don’t care about people being more cautious about $200-$300 handhelds, I just get annoyed with people pretending those budget handhelds don’t often have issues.

[plush silo]

Oh, that is absolutely annoying in its own right when that happens

[copper burrow]

dont think ive met anyone pretending budget stuff doesnt have issues 😄

[limpid ledge]

The problem is anbernic doesn't care

[fathom geyser]

The annoying thing with Retroid is it would’ve all been pretty much fine if they had just took the L and said we’ll take the returns

[gentle badge]

I was pissed at miyoo for the screen wrong res issue on the MMv4 which was eventually sort of fixable (still doesn’t run at the res they sold it to me under, but runs under the actual res of the screen now) - that’s probably the most direct comparison to the rp mini issue and it’s on a device that costs 25% as much

[limpid ledge]

And offer the discount or reduce the price and the notice of the website

[fathom geyser]

Yeah the fact nothing is being done about that 😬😬

[limpid ledge]

That's where retroid fucked up

[wooden phoenix]

Dave said they are looking into making a warning 🤣 🤣 🤣

[hybrid viper]

The entire issue is they can't afford to refund everybody, not sure why that's being ignored

[versed vigil]

You must’ve not been around much for the Miyoo Mini when the V2 first released and V1 owners were borderline feeling gaslit by V2 owners saying “what are you talking about, the buttons and D-Pad feel fine”.

At least we made a big enough stink about the A30 that most new buyers are able to figure out that they “must have updated them to feel better”.

[wooden phoenix]

Not the consumers problem

[hybrid viper]

You took that chance when you bought a day one Chinese handheld, sorry to say

[limpid ledge]

That's also true but it's not their customer problem unfortunately

[wooden phoenix]

I didn't buy the 5 or mini lol. Jokes not on me. I buy all my retroids from marketplace secondhand. I won't be a guinea pig for them

[fathom geyser]

They would’ve had less people refund if they didn’t put such a low
limit (or said anything about a limit at all)

[floral pebble]

Yes 100%, but wouldn't it be nicer for both sides if that didn't have to be a huge gamble?

[copper burrow]

Oh I was there, i just laughed

[copper burrow]

and next time on 'The Bleeding Obvious show'

[gentle badge]

I didn’t realize I came into this hobby at the peak (miyoo mini plus) and it was all downhill from there

[hybrid viper]

In a perfect world sure, but being realistic is more advantageous. It's not like the handheld doesn't work, and it's not like retroid did this on purpose. They were trying to use a nice screen that their customers would enjoy, mistakes and issues happen. Early adopters sometimes get burned it is what it is.

[versed vigil]

And oh boy, it was a goddamn ironic GutBuster for me to find out they only decided to update the Miyoo Mini Plus with RTC several months after the MM+’s release, which was also several months after people had already figured out the chip supported RTC and found a way to add it back to the regular MM.

[limpid ledge]

Exactly

Retroid could even reduce the price with issue

[versed vigil]

Oh, and also? They still haven’t added it to Miyoo Mini V4 last I checked, which means only the MM+ has proper RTC, and they even apparently forgot to add it to the Flip.

[hybrid viper]

They're definitely in the wrong for promises they couldn't keep though, no defending that. They should just offer a big beefy coupon and call it a day

[plush silo]

I'm ngl, the Mini should've never been as close in price as it is to the RP5 in the first place.
Especially after the RP5 got the spec bumps pre-release

[limpid ledge]

Especially

It could be 180 easily

[versed vigil]

No shit. I’m still thinking they should’ve just given a bigger partial refund than what they did with the Gray/Orange Mini’s, and anyone who was angry enough could return it with no major conditions (beyond the time limit, since if they had to keep any of those limits, that would be the least bad).

[limpid ledge]

You see

[hybrid viper]

I mean there is inherent risk, you can't just ignore it and then get mad later on

[versed vigil]

Since I don’t think a $35-$40 partial refund to everyone who got a Mini (with anyone who wants to return it getting a full refund instead), would be any worse than the full $200 chargebacks they’re currently gonna be very likely paying to people.

[limpid ledge]

I can't lie he is not wrong Chinese devices is always risky no matter what than bigger company like asus value lenovo or msi

And the customer service is mavs season

Retroid Is like mavs in nba

Bad decisions and lose their star player

[gentle badge]

this is basically the only thing that matters now

they commited to accepting returns if the issue was unfixable

it's unfixable, so they have to accept the returns.

[limpid ledge]

That's why retroid fucked chris over

[versed vigil]

I mean…he’s flat out not wrong. It’s the exact same warning everyone gives for new devices.

[limpid ledge]

Chris thought they would accept returns like before

[hybrid viper]

Might be a case of Chris just being a great guy and promising things he didn't have the power to uphold

[limpid ledge]

Retroid did the opposite

[gentle badge]

no, he literally got the ok from retroid to make that post

[hybrid viper]

Because clearly that's not true and clearly they're not refunding people, at least yet maybe they will change their minds

[gentle badge]

then someone at retroid deleted it later quietly

[copper burrow]

They probably were not expecting the problem to be as 100% unfixable as it turned out to be

[limpid ledge]

That's I'm saying retroid fucked chris over

[gentle badge]

yeah chris is great, retroid not so much

I hope chris can put his talents to use somewhere like lenovo in the future (if that would be an upgrade from his day job I don't know what his day job is)

[hybrid viper]

No shade on Chris I like and respect him a lot but let's not act like being a community manager is all that hard

[limpid ledge]

Now I understand taki was fighting against Retroid over rp3 situation

[copper burrow]

thats okay, taki created the 3 plus

[versed vigil]

Are you kidding me? The Community was outright one of the noted bigger factors behind him debating leaving, the other 2 being Retroid and him getting doxxed.

[copper burrow]

Damn, we just got him settled in for his nap

[hybrid viper]

I'm just saying it's an easy job. Out of all the jobs that exist like 80%+ of them are more difficult. Making some social media posts, relaying information from the community to the devs and vice versa, sweet gig.

[versed vigil]

Unironically, from what I can tell the RP3+ was outright the device he designed internally, but Retroid themselves still were using the RP3 design, which was a heavily modified version of what his initial design was.

[gentle badge]

it wasn't his full time gig

he did it as a side hustle.

[hybrid viper]

Yes that further proves how easy it is

[copper burrow]

oh boy

[limpid ledge]

Without chris help retroid wouldn't even get like that much recognition from western market

[uncut knoll]

Just for context: Who is chris?

[limpid ledge]

It's not easy when people ping you for something all the time then go to ask retroid the issue and post the social media keep everyone excited and entertained

While being on time

[gentle badge]

until yesterday he was the community manager and social media manager for retroid in english

[limpid ledge]

I hate someone tried to say it's easy when you fit into their shoes

And try it to keep everyone happy

Anyway

[hybrid viper]

Imagine doxing a community manager somebody who has no power over anything, because you couldn't contain your fomo and had to buy a day one Chinese handheld lol

Really sad

[fathom geyser]

Say what you want about the job or Chris, it seemed like he usually cared about what he was doing, now Retroid doesn’t have that. His shoes won’t be filled over-night and who knows whether or not stuff will get better or worse from here

[limpid ledge]

Exactly

[hybrid viper]

Oh he definitely cared, nobody debates that

[copper burrow]

never owned a chinese handhold, myself

anyway, let's return to estimated prices for the flip 2 models 😄

[random tulip]

The real problem is he had real community attachments prior to managing, and friends he made along the way

Easy to do if you remain anonymous and don't come from the roots up

[hybrid viper]

Extremely easy to do if you don't have social media, hard to get doxed

[random tulip]

Yeah. Not gonna lie. if I was ever offered the chance to do the same, I'd create an anonymous account and do it from there

[hybrid viper]

A separate identity from your real one is a pretty smart play, having a buffer between you is smart

Can't stop people from being the worst, so have to adapt unfortunately

[random tulip]

True that

[fluid stone]

Even if Chris was completely responsible for everything doxxing him and threatening his family would still be completely unhinged, I can't imagine the mindset one must have to think that's ok

[formal latch]

I just can't wrap my head around people sending someone death threats over a $200-300 device

I mean, in general, I don't understand death threats but especially here

[copper burrow]

the handheld/gaming community has a few.... crazy fuckwits

[limpid ledge]

That's true but who would go and doxxed him

In fact retroid community wanted to do that to taki with the beef over rp3+

[gentle badge]

men will do anything to avoid going to therapy simply calling their credit card provider for a routine dispute resolution process

[fluid stone]

The sad thing is there are crazy fuckwits like that in every community. You can say you dislike a video game and there's a nonzero chance someone will dox you and threaten your life over it, some people are just completely detached from the shit they do

[limpid ledge]

Aethersx2 community discord was an example of that people get too emotional and then go to message sending threats

[hybrid viper]

I completely agree with you but to play devil's advocate here, this is the internet and people will say the most unhinged shit all the time so you really ought to not only expect it but be ready for it. Quitting your job over threats that aren't going to lead anywhere was probably shortsighted.

[copper burrow]

a tad lacking in compassion but sure, true

[limpid ledge]

But also retroid fucked him over too many times and it's reason devs doesn't fuck with andorid emulation scene or retro handhelds scene

Think about it

[stray dagger]

I would be undoxable, try me

[limpid ledge]

X86 scene never really have a problem like this

Unless you are ayaneo once again

[stray dagger]

side hustle apparently

[hybrid viper]

I don't know man the Rog Ally SD card issue was pretty similar

[formal latch]

Isn't this assuming that someone is okay gambling with the lives of their loved ones? Call it whatever you want to call it, but why risk that over a side job, even if it's only a 1-10% chance, why would that be worth it?

[limpid ledge]

But it's didn't stop asus to fix it and even reduce the price

Plus they are not sensitive

People can return it

[hybrid viper]

Why would you assume quitting affects anything? If the unhinged people who have already doxed you hate your guts what does stepping down change anything if they are actually going to hurt you or your family?

[copper burrow]

little bit of victim blaming here

[hybrid viper]

Just observations

[hybrid viper]

Yeah true

[limpid ledge]

Because they can target someone you love as well don't play with doxed yk people can screenshot on it

It's serious matter no matter what the situation is

[copper burrow]

tell you what though, as it's such a sweet easy gig, let's apply to them as a CM 😄

[formal latch]

Yeah, Drew, you sound perfect for the role

[hybrid viper]

You pretty much have to be a people person, and considering I'm a borderline misanthrope.. not a good combo

[copper burrow]

I could never have guessed

[limpid ledge]

Exactly and imagine you get ping so time and people arguing sending threats

Dealing with nonsense

[hybrid viper]

Working for someone else is also beta cuck behavior. Owning your own business is the only way forward.

[coral valley]

Not the best outlook on any future employees

[gentle badge]

I mean if you're running a one man show go for it, but anyone who doesn't respect the dignity of workers certainly doesn't deserve to have employees.

[formal latch]

I'm starting to wonder if I'm getting too old for the internet 😅

[hybrid viper]

Sure I agree, but nothing beats a family business. Learning a trade or skill passed down by generations, producing a product or service that you can be proud of and doing so on your own time in your own manner.

Hard to get screwed over when you're the boss or the boss is your father

[coral valley]

Working with family is terrible though

Money brings out the worst in people

[gentle badge]

It is very easy to get screwed over when your boss believes you owe him for 18 years of room and board as a literal child

[coral valley]

I love my family but I think it's best to keep work and family separate

[gentle badge]

But anyway we’re way off topic now lol

Even the rp mini talk was marginal

[hybrid viper]

Damn y'all need to improve your relationship with your families lol

[coral valley]

Not really

[formal latch]

I really enjoyed when my parents told us they only had kids to look after them when they got old and were being completely serious

[coral valley]

It just changes the dynamic

[random tulip]

Feel like 99% of humanity thinks it's unhinged. Unfortunately that 1% is online 😞

[hybrid viper]

I mean you take care of your kids when they're young and they take care of you when you're old I think that's a pretty fair trade

The circle of life

[random tulip]

People who never left their moms basement. Sadly growing number these days

[hybrid viper]

The sad part is none of them were going to do anything, it's all smoke and air

The anonymity of the internet is a powerful armor

[rigid thicket]

Well, there's kids taking care of their parents because they took good care of you.
And then there's having kids for the sole purpose of them taking care of you when you're older.

It's the same with family business. A good one is one where the kids want to take over.

[hybrid viper]

Well yeah you have to be a good parent to qualify that goes without saying

[rigid thicket]

A bad one is one where the parents force the kids to take over.

But on a more serious note.
Cow Flip 2 when?

[random tulip]

Well they're gonna have to toughen up, cause they left us with a shit economy and expensive everything 😆

Actively voted against us in many cases

[chilly hollow]

People, this is a handheld gaming server

[random tulip]

K. Back to cows people

The true gaming handhelds

https://tenor.com/view/erm-erm-moo-moo-erm-cow-erm-moo-cow-gif-25365076

[hybrid viper]

None of the drama has affected my decision on whether I'm going to buy this or not

[versed vigil]

How does it keep going back to that topic?

[hybrid viper]

Still going to wait for reviews of course

I'm guessing 200 to $250

[random tulip]

Seems like a safe bet

Then they'll drop it at $300 to cover mini costs 😆

[hybrid viper]

Because people seek meaningful conversations about topics that are important and handhelds are not that important in the grand scheme of things

[random tulip]

Discourse is in the name of the service 😁

[hybrid viper]

What I'm really curious about is whether they learned from the first one, and the hinge is going to be solid

[random tulip]

Id say there's a 40% chance of that

[rigid thicket]

They said they're running "100,000 open/shut" tests.

But their word means less and less recently, ahaha.

[night vessel]

^ Facts.

I'm excited for this handheld but Retroid really needs to earn trust back.

At the end of the day... I have my 35XXSP to play so i don't mind waiting.

[random tulip]

I mean and who knows if it's 10 devices opened and shut 100,000 times or 1

Some launch flips never cracked

[fathom geyser]

Iirc they said they had 1,000 test units

Idk

[random tulip]

Oh. Missed that part. That also seems insane. Lol

Makes me believe it even less

Haha

[floral pebble]

The first 1000 buyers get the tested units

[random tulip]

I mean yeah. They'd have to. Lol

That's why they're early bird discounts

[formal latch]

But is that 1000 finished units, or just shells with the hinge?

[stray dagger]

I gotta demand a live stream where Russ open/shuts it for 250,000 times

[floral pebble]

That only means they picked the unspecified number within the control group from a pool of 1000

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, it's sort of meaningless if all the test units were from the same manufactured batch.

[desert canyon]

This, i know everyone hates Taki, but the dude was right, and he is vindicated in the end. I actually was kinda butthurt about the RP3 thing, and had a sour taste on them after that....but that RP5 I could not ignore. Anyway, i have a second hand mini, it's incredible, the screen thing is a 2 or 3 out of 10 issue, it's never been an issue in my book, the response was handled crappy. Sorry Chris has to navigate that.

Still preordering that flip 2, fuck man, i want that thing

[stray dagger]

whatever Taki the scammer has for an opinion is irrelevant until I get my Switch Lite OLED Ultimate kit

[desert canyon]

i want that kit

still waiting on it

but dude has produced for the most part has he not?

[stray dagger]

been like half a year by now? probably took our money and made some stupid iPod Mods with it

[stray dagger]

I couldn't care less about him sending out the cheap SKUs, not delivering on the most expensive option and the radio silence about it, while going around and talking about his ten next projects, is pissing me off

[versed vigil]

So…the Platinum Games method of getting development funds?

[stray dagger]

basically

[desert canyon]

ah yeah the delay sucks. I think he was pretty open on the delays and why and what they are doing to solve it. Dude is retrofitting an old device that wasn't designed for it.

[copper burrow]

I mean thats a conversation to have with taki and his CS 😄

[desert canyon]

I'm starting to sound like a defensive shill for an arrogant dude. Haha, the expanding to more and more projects so fast before delivering is wild though, i'll give you that. I want my ultimate kit!

and the flip 2! I want my kit and my flip 2! Retroid and Taki need to team up...no wait.

[stray dagger]

the CS doesn't even answer emails if you ask what is going on or want a time frame for when you get what you fucking paid for 😂

[copper burrow]

get it refunded, i dunno why you havent yet 😄

[desert canyon]

cause an OLED switch lite with hdmi output is at stake

[versed vigil]

Wait really? They already responded to me like same day when I asked.

They didn’t have an exact date though so I effectively know as much as before I asked, although they did say the SuperStation is scheduled for around June.

[stray dagger]

bought a Switch Lite especially to mod it

[stray dagger]

at least nothing appeared in my inbox

[versed vigil]

Well, at least you still know as much as I do then.

[random tulip]

@stray dagger how many times have you emailed them? And how many curse words were involved? 😆

[tacit latch]

Taki was actually employed at Retroid

so he knew dirt first hand like Chris

[desert canyon]

legend says he actually built the RP3+ with his own hands

but for real he was right haha

Stubbs is gonna have to start posting cows again

[stray dagger]

let's say the 3rd mail wasn't friendly anymore

[echo lynx]

horsepower, but mali horsepower

if they could magically procure drivers

it would be sd8 gen 2 level

[random tulip]

It's gonna only display upside down when you get it

[tacit gorge]

wdym? like ppl buying og rp flips years later? 😅

[random tulip]

🤫

[tacit gorge]

i just sold my 35xxsp today. loved it but didn’t use it in a while.

is the miyoo flip still a thing or is that dead?

also kinda waiting for that magicx clamshell.

[random tulip]

V2 coming with better hinge

Dunno when stock will actually drop

[versed vigil]

Is it not already out?

[random tulip]

Oh maybe. I stopped following. My V1 has worked fine

[tacit gorge]

is it? how do you know you are ordering a v2? do they advertise it as such?

[versed vigil]

I don’t know how to order a Flip to begin with.

Like in all seriousness, I just remember them saying months ago that they’d have improved hinges in the next batches.

Didn’t realize that they never sent out that next batch to begin with.

[rigid thicket]

It's been delayed to April evidently.

So no "V2" units exist other than ones that people made themselves by getting a replacement hinge mechanism from Miyoo.

[tacit gorge]

a replacement with the same mechanism, or a revised and improved mechanism?

like do we know they actually do have a v2 mechanism?

[rigid thicket]

I believe they got the new metal hinge.

[tacit gorge]

kay cool. gotta find that channel again and read up. it kinda vanished from my device.

[idle shuttle]

That sucks I didn’t realize these hadn’t gone out yet.

However in a mild defence I’ll say that I’ve been using my Super5 OLED non touch for months now and loving every minute of it.

Does feel like he needs to chill out on the new products for a bit though.

[random tulip]

The official store was out of stock and they said the next restock would be v2. Now they could have lied but

[hybrid viper]

I didn't even know a v2 was coming, what's been changed? Just a better hinge? Any other improvements

[tacit gorge]

could you plz dm me some directions? im kinda lost in miyoo land.

[copper burrow]

apparently this is now the miyoo channel 😄

[hybrid viper]

All clamshell all the time baby

[hushed shadow]

shouldn't it be a seafood channel then?

[lilac sable]

Still waiting for the oled touch…. Not sure if I’ll even get it before the switch 2 comes out lmao

[hushed shadow]

I'm in 'batch2' for the oled touch, I got my hands on a switch lite that was thrown out a car window and I'm refurbing it to be my 'archival' switch. new he sticks, oled, transparent red shell, picofly...

I mean i had to repalce all those parts anyway 😆

[copper burrow]

fair 😄

[hushed shadow]

I have everything sitting here ready to build except..the oled of course

[tacit gorge]

cough thrown out of a car window cough
😎

[hushed shadow]

That's what it looked like. I gave $25 for it 😆

one of the sticks was broken clean off, the digitizer is trashed (Screen actually works though), case beat to hell

[tacit gorge]

cheap access to proprietary hardware.

[hushed shadow]

pretty much, i cared about the pcb and that was about it

was listed on facebook marketplace as "good" condition 🤣

[tacit gorge]

i love doing stuff like that. invigorating dead devices.

[hushed shadow]

me too

[tacit gorge]

like the iphone se i am using right now. it holds parts of at least 5 different phones.

[random tulip]

DMed you

[wintry rock]

Mooyoo.

[idle shuttle]

lmao well if switch 2 doesn't have an oled you might be still be happy to receive it in 2026

[desert canyon]

Good video by Russ, solutions and a good take. Now, which one of us turds caused the community dude to resign, jeez.

[versed vigil]

Reddit in general also just harassed Russ to the point where he’s currently taking a break from the internet for today.

[stray dagger]

well, blaming Russ at least makes more sense than Chris

nah jokes aside, Reddit is a pretty toxic bunch

[desert canyon]

ugh

[uncut crescent]

....

[lilac sable]

But if switch 2 has no oled, taki will make oled for it. Which will ship by switch 3

[lilac sable]

You mean the internet in general?

[wintry rock]

People who say Reddit is uniquely toxic must've not been around for Usenet. 🙃 (Yeah, I know Reddit is toxic but it's basically been the same for every iteration of the Internet from the moment the internet existed. It went from "hello, world" to death threats in like, the first day.)

I was getting death threats for saying I thought the self-moderation policy of rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 was unworkable back in 1995.

[hybrid viper]

I prefer 4chan, at least there when somebody calls me a slur it doesn't get upvoted 600 times

[wintry rock]

I will say this, though. The people who sent me the death threats in 1995 at least knew how to spell. That all changed when they let AOL on here.

[versed vigil]

I feel like the main difference between Reddit and most other Internet forums is that most don’t give the users the ability to effectively self-moderate via the upvote downvote system. In which case, that just becomes the ultimate tool for creating echo chambers due to the majority of users present being able to downvote any voice they disagree with, or to upvote anyone voice they agree with.

But I will still say it’s at least not Twitter.

[versed vigil]

Yup, that I already know about, and I’ve already made my statement on people doing it here also deserving to get warned if they go too far (which I don’t this person currently has done yet).

[wintry rock]

I didn't like the karma/upvote system on Slashdot and I don't like it on Reddit either.

[hybrid viper]

Well it's supposed to be a system where you upvote relevant content and downvote content that is not relevant instead it's used as an I like this or don't like this button

That's why it fails

[wintry rock]

Oh my god ... my userid/password on Slashdot still actually works. And apparently I haven't logged on there in a decade.

[hybrid viper]

I would argue though any system where users have a dedicated username is prone to failure. Users will judge you based on past things you said, rather than what you're saying right now.

[wintry rock]

But you pretty much have to have user names of some kind to be viable. Otherwise, it's just going to be random cows mooing at each other. (Edit: See how I'm following the rules of this discord? 🙃 )

[versed vigil]

Yup, still don’t get how people keep thinking it’s a good idea.

And I’m not talking about sites, I know they likely do it because it’s the lazier option that also drives up usage revenue. I’m talking about every person I’ve seen that tried defending that system while conveniently ignoring how easily it’s being abused.

[wintry rock]

I'm honestly not sure how you'd do an upvote/downvote style system that DOESN'T turn into "i agree / i disagree".

[stray dagger]

only said they are a pretty toxic bunch, never said uniquely so
heck, I have been around the net since the late 90s, but it's still a different kind of toxicity than back in the day, downright mob mentality these days

[hybrid viper]

Who the person is saying the thing shouldn't matter, we should all judge each other based on the things we say in the moment

Great ideas will rise to the top instead of people

Besides we are all effectively anonymous anyways it would just be removing the facade. I could come in on another account and pretend to be somebody else and nobody would ever know.

[wintry rock]

Fair. But yeah ... the 90s internet (more so early-to-mid 90s than late 90s) did have something of a filter back then. The crazy toxic people sending the death threats either needed to be at university or in a rather limited number of professions to have internet access at all.

[peak oriole]

I'm a sucker for clamshells, but I want something specifically for 3DS, GC, and PS2 era. How can be expect the SD865 to perform on those systems with the active cooling?

720p upscale isn't required, but would be nice

[wintry rock]

We already know - just look at videos featuring the RP Mini or RP5. (edit: Those are SD865 systems with active cooling)

[hybrid viper]

It should run most games natively and a huge portion at 2x upscale

Outside of vague statements you'd have to check specific benchmark videos

[peak oriole]

Good point, I guess there are common systems I can parallel from. I haven't really had an interest in a handheld since the Flip 1

[wintry rock]

I would post more RP Mini game test videos, but it seems nobody wants to watch anything RP Mini these days except for the controversy.

[peak oriole]

So I haven't been keeping track of systems, was interested in the Odin 2 Mini for a while; but the price kicked that interest

As long as the RP Flip2 is sub $200, it's a day one for me. Again, sucker for clam shells lol

[hybrid viper]

The old internet of the 90s and 2000s is interesting because people were generally way more rude / mean but more in a like surface level kind of way, and didn't escalate to levels of death threats very often

[limpid ledge]

I would

[hybrid viper]

So sure there was a lot of people that would call you names but they wouldn't be posting your address

[wintry rock]

Long story short - at least for PS2 most stuff will be satisfactory except for certain harder to run games and certain other games where the emulation software you can get on Android has unfixed bugs/issues. So if you want Champions of Norrath, it's going to be a no-go. But if you want to play Star Ocean 3, it'll probably be fine.

[sacred kindle]

IIRC there were still death threats, just not as widely used as now

post-Heroes of Might and Magic III development comes to mind

[limpid ledge]

If you want mini pizza it's yes yes for everyone

[hybrid viper]

Yeah I mean nut jobs have been around since the dawn of time but they were a lot harder to come across

[peak oriole]

Really appreciate that. I'm mostly looking for the 1st party Sony games of that era (R&C, Jax, Sly, etc)

[wintry rock]

Oh no. Toxic doxxers were quite definitely there in the 90s. Personal experience here. (not as doxx-er but as doxx-ee)

[limpid ledge]

You will be happy

[hybrid viper]

Sly is notoriously difficult to run but ratchet & clank and jax should run no problem

[stray dagger]

giving every moron access to the net made it worse, thx Apple

[peak oriole]

I might just play that on Deck if that's the case

[floral pebble]

People used to be smart enough not to put real info online

I remember being taught basic net safety as a kid. Now parents are creating instagram accounts for their toddlers

[hybrid viper]

I agree social media is a mistake lol

[sacred kindle]

touching grass was also a daily routine that made people conscious of their actions towards others

[stray dagger]

that's on them, I am completely undoxable

[versed vigil]

And that’s not getting into corporations making your private info required to use stuff that is virtually a required necessity nowadays, while having absolutely trash protections for said private info.

[hybrid viper]

What do you mean you don't want to give Sony your credit card information because they've been hacked multiple times? Just put the numbers in

[wintry rock]

Got some gameplay footage of Jax 3 in here on RP Mini. Flip 2 will perform the same. Link goes to several games running on RP Mini which is going to give identical performance to Flip 2: https://youtu.be/E-XX2gkO6V4?si=V-BChpX3U5ZrQ_g-&t=1129

[limpid ledge]

Sensational performance

[wintry rock]

(and if you make it down to Borderlands 2 on Vita, that was an Android 10 issue which I eventually figured out how to fix.)

[hybrid viper]

Nowadays it's gotten so bad that to use basic services you have to agree to let companies sell your data

[versed vigil]

Oh, I’m not even talking about that alone (although it is a good example), I’m talking about schools outright making you use school-dedicated emails that are heavily tied to your private info.

[hybrid viper]

I can't wait until commercials make us say the name of the brand in order for the commercial to end

[ripe flare]

lmao wasn't this a sony patent or something

[versed vigil]

Which in regard to colleges, can even include your freaking social security number, and bank info depending on how you pay for tuition.

[hybrid viper]

"say the line! that's a good obedient boy" - corporate overlord as he watches me lounging about eating Cheetos watching a McDonald's commercial

[wintry rock]

In the 1990s, colleges actually used your SSN as an ID number and it was posted everywhere.

[peak oriole]

I skimmed most of the video, looks like I'll be happy with the Flip2. I might get it for my birthday this year and give it to my wife to give to me lol

[wintry rock]

Hell, half my classes posted test results with a list of SSNs.

[peak oriole]

Live in the military too

*flive

Life

[hybrid viper]

Bro I didn't know it worked like that, you're going to have to teach me

[peak oriole]

Sorry been drinking lol

[versed vigil]

Ok, I do know a lot more stuff about the 90’s than most my age, but I’ll definitely admit I didn’t know that.

wtf was even the logic there?

[wintry rock]

Eventually, that became illegal.

[hybrid viper]

Every law, every rule, is either written in blood or somebody had to suffer

We just didn't know any better

[peak oriole]

My wife and I do two gifts for holidays, one "made" and one bought. Often times we spend so much time on the made gifts that it devolves into "was there something in particular you wanted?" lol

[wintry rock]

They didn't want to post grades by name, so they used SSNs ... for the test posting part. But the SSNs were in order of the student names from the rolls, so you could figure out any classmate's SSN trivially.

[peak oriole]

So this year I wrote her a song and played it in front of her family at a party, and bought her Sully Crocs that she heavily hinted that she wanted

[hybrid viper]

God damn I commend you brother, I could never be married that sounds like way too much work to be writing songs and stuff

[versed vigil]

…God damnit that’s just dumb.

[hybrid viper]

I'd be like honey I'm getting you an exercise bike

😂

[wintry rock]

As for as the student ID number equaling SSN ... I think the schools were honestly just lazy and didn't want to make a separate number system. It was still that way when I got my bachelor's in 1994. It changed a few years later, I believe.

[peak oriole]

It's not that bad, I made her jewelry one year using some basic soldering skills and some stuff I found at a crafting store

[hybrid viper]

Damn now you're doing arts and crafts

[peak oriole]

I'm a bard irl, jack of all trades; master of none

what is that college of lore bard?

[wintry rock]

Nobody thought about identity theft in the early 1990s. It was just not on anyone's radar. You couldn't do stuff like create bank accounts and open up a crapton of credit cards online then. (Not that identity theft didn't exist ... it was just harder to pull off.)

[random tulip]

No lie, i would have screamed mcdonalds all day long

mmmm... cow

https://tenor.com/view/animation-burger-hamburger-pixel-art-8bit-gif-18881596

[distant drum]

Anyone done one of those fun size comparisons using the screen and dpad as references?

[south mantle]

I mean we do have dimensions

So we can get a very good idea and something comparable

[distant drum]

Well damn. I need someone smarter than me to make a size comparison chart.

[south mantle]

This might give most people an idea @distant drum

There’s closer Nintendo devices, but most everyone should have held a DS Lite at some point

[rigid thicket]

Flip 1: 13.9 x 8.2 x 2.5 cm
Flip 2: 14.05 x 8.95 x 2.44cm
Almost the same size. A bit taller but thinner.

Flip 1 for reference.

[lilac sable]

wow is this confirmed? the return limitation was really russ' idea?

[vital belfry]

Not necessarily entirely

But it probably played a part in it

[hybrid viper]

Only the time period, everybody's mainly upset over the 200 limit which wasn't his idea

[distant drum]

Speculation. He said he suggested limited extended return but not capping it at 200.

[distant drum]

Wow that’s pretty small considering the screen size. I can have the mini size with the big screen 🤤

[vital belfry]

Yeah right here’s the screenshot to not have any misunderstanding

[south mantle]

Appreciate it

[lilac sable]

7 day return window is understandable, not the 200 unit limit

[distant drum]

The thing that really ate their lunch was creating a vacuum like that. Have we not learned that any time you put a limit on something people dogpile onto it because of FOMO. Retroid needs a human psychology lesson.

They should’ve said hey you can return it but if you don’t, we will give you your next Retroid purchase at manufacturing cost.

But flip 2 👀

[rigid thicket]

People these days just extrapolate everything or fail to read/listen to things properly.
Instead of double checking or looking into things they just immediately go into hate/rage. 😔

Retroid definitely should've put a disclaimer on the store page the moment this issue became a known issue.
That way they could've limited it to "anyone who bought the Mini before X date" for returns and an alternative compensation for anything afterwards like a partial refund or hefty coupon.

[vital belfry]

I feel like that’s gonna happen any hour now

Don’t expect them do to it on a weekend

Fix the listing asap

Lower the price

Put the disclaimer up

[echo lynx]

Mini m buyers got off better

[vital belfry]

And contact all buyers through e-mail and offer them to return or cancel their order

[echo lynx]

They've had two weeks though

[rigid thicket]

Technically they've had 5 months to adjust the store page 😂

[floral pebble]

They should announce flip 2 pricing, try to get people focused on good things instead of their screw ups

Assuming flip 2 pricing will be a good thing

[vital belfry]

Seeing how they are contacting CC and are asking for consultation I feel like they had no idea how to handle this whole situation and stalled for as much time as possible

[rigid thicket]

Stalling is why the problem is so bad, ahaha.

[vital belfry]

Should’ve could’ve done many things better I’m curious to see what’ll be result of what’s been happening the past days

[vital belfry]

You’re not wrong

[limpid ledge]

Bro it's not going to well

Let this sort this out

[rigid thicket]

They're trying to avoid people returning the Mini to buy the Flip 2/Classic so I get the concern, but at this point I think they should just open pre-orders for the Flip2/Classic at the same time as opening returns for the Mini no questions asked.
People are going to do the returns either way. They lost the ability to limit it to people who are bothered by the screen the moment they decided to put off on changing the store page.

Now it's just whether they do the return and never buy Retroid again or they do the return and buy the next handheld from them.
It might suck for them financially, but they might be able to tank the returns a bit with the profits from the pre-orders.

Having a return cap will just encourage people who have issues with the screen to do chargebacks which will be way worse for them.

[echo lynx]

You can just charge back for that?

The whole 180?

[rigid thicket]

They've publicly said enough things that customers can use as evidence to justify a chargeback.

[stray dagger]

with the issue and Retroid basically promising to make it right just to do a rugpull on people... yeah most credit card companies will probably do it, paypal may as well

[echo lynx]

Oh fuck I forgot to use PayPal when buying my brick

[stray dagger]

EU customer protection laws especially ain't nice for them 😂

like sure we pay 45.99€ to ship it back to ya guys... as if

[silent canopy]

Yeah the 200 limitation wasn't Russ' idea

[echo lynx]

Do I gotta film me opening it to get a refund?

If it's broken

To ensure

[stray dagger]

me just sending shit back to Ali all the time, while getting my money the second I hand in returns at the postal office

[silent canopy]

And besides , Russ isn't a paid consultant or anything, Retroid's decision's are Retroid's and they would be responsible for them.

[echo lynx]

Eu protections or aliexpress protections?

[stray dagger]

I mean if it's broken just tell them and they usually say "go ahead, send it back"

never had an issue with Ali on that

they probably are aware that people would just chargeback on any defective purchases anyway, which would be way worse for them

unlike Retroid who will (most likely) learn by force, if they don't do returns without insane caveats

[rigid thicket]

Mass chargebacks can literally destroy an online retailer so it's something most retailers will try and avoid.

[echo lynx]

I didn't PayPal though

I'm stupid

[gentle badge]

they should make you submit a video containing today's newspaper with your order number written on it of you beating the first level of SMB3 without dying to prove you play 2d games

problem solved

[hybrid viper]

Nah bro, we need a submission video of them beating Super Metroid in under an hour with 100% item rate

Otherwise you're a bot and not a real person

[echo lynx]

but what if you're dougdoug and simply bad at 2d platformers

[tacit latch]

unironically if they just asked people to take a photo of what is it that bothers them about the screen on their Mini before asking for a return they would solve the problem of weeding out dishonest returns without having to impose the 200 unit limit

but I guess it's too late for that

[coral valley]

The damage has already been done at this point

[desert canyon]

not a bad idea

[severe ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/dig-dug-gif-25536769

[gritty kraken]

Hoping the Retroid staff all takes a much needed breather from some much unnecessary drama. Then, hoping the Flip 2 comes out on schedule. Really looking forward to supporting these guys.

[gentle badge]

honestly just ditch the stupid refund limit, make good on their promised return deferral for anyone interested, and they could probably get right back to hyping the flip 2 and classic while being mostly forgiven

this isn't going to go away without them actually resolving it

as is a bunch of the major youtubers making videos on this issue haven't even released their videos on it yet, so we're far from hitting peak mindshare for the controversy

[desert canyon]

true.

[gentle badge]

if retroid moves fast they can fix this before that happens lol

[south mantle]

Tax Fraud right

Who’s ready for Wednesday?

[distant drum]

What’s going down Wednesday?

[south mantle]

Retroid seems to be releasing news every Wednesday (US time)

Last week was the classic

Before that was the Flip 2 specs/colors

Before that was the reveal trailer

Surely this Wednesday should be the pricing?

[south mantle]

Although ig technically before that was the Flip 2/Vertical teaser on a Thursday

[tranquil elbow]

how has this become the hub for Mini complaints? I thought it was the flip2 thread

[warped leaf]

choose, cows or mini complaints

[tranquil elbow]

cows it is

[warped leaf]

[echo lynx]

How am I depicting this with a picture 💔 gotta whip out the microscope

[echo lynx]

Ahh the blue

Blur

[left turret]

moo moo meadows

[south mantle]

I appreciate the reference

[wintry rock]

I have complaints about cows not being Mini enough. They're just too big to keep in the house

[random tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/moof-moof-cow-normal-doggo-moo-doggo-breaking-in-gif-16085669

[ornate fiber]

Can someone explain the cow thing to me

[fluid stone]

A cow is a farm animal that we get most of our milk from. They are also raised for meat, leading to various beef and steak products! They are known for saying moo and eating grass.

[uncut crescent]

Retroid Responded

[fluid stone]

the actual reason is that this channel got kinda nasty with political talk, I think because of tarrif discussions? So mods decided to do a funny to encourage people away from that

[ornate fiber]

Make sense but still hard to understand lol

[dusky ferry]

so did they remove the 200 limit?

[uncut crescent]

I think so

[tacit latch]

imagine investing $2 million and mortgaging your home to invest in a product revision that all of 10 people will care about

but I suppose the real purpose of that story is to bury the lede, which is that they will continue to accept returns

so, happy ending I suppose?

[dusky ferry]

not like they can't use the screen in any future products?

how does custom screens work anyway, how long will the screens be exclusive to Retroid in this case. I doubt its permanent?

[tacit latch]

you pay for them to be made, you put them in your products

[weak fulcrum]

Imagine being a cantankerous presence in a community whose entire identity revolves around fun and joy

[ocean nymph]

I imagine that's the start of a partnership between them, if they have a good experience with the next Mini display then they'll probably use them going forward, which means custom displays for all retroid products. No more re-purposed mobile display, etc.

Also proper native landscape resolutions would be nice

[tacit latch]

I'm not complaining, it's just that revising the Mini seems like an excessive response to this issue to me

I mean, if it was a small revision sure

[ancient robin]

Probably (hopefully?) a 4 inch screen this time

[dusky ferry]

I mean, when will the same screens be available to others? I doubt its tied/locked to Retroid permanently who don't sell in the million

[tacit latch]

it depends on the kind of contract they'd make with the manufacturer but at least initially yes, Retroid would have the exclusive rights

[floral pebble]

They could make a dual screen flip 2² using their new custom screen!

[rigid thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/shouting-development-dozens-of-us-bald-speaking-gif-16881775

[unkempt ferry]

OK now that SD 865 has been in the Retroid lineup for a while what can the SD 865 do that the D1100 cannot do or struggle with ?
Not talking Winilator or Switch or anything like that mostly game performance in Android gaming and emulation

[plush silo]

It’s better for PS2 from my recollection

[unkempt ferry]

I know SD has better driver support but are we talking like 1x native res vs 3x upscaled res for the SD 865

[tacit latch]

custom 5 inch 4:3 OLED screen + sd8gen2

bang, instant banger

[coral valley]

Sd8 gen 2 feels unlikely

[plush silo]

I don’t really know as I haven’t looked much into it, but I guess in a way, both.
It does better in Sly Cooper, that one I know about.
I saw someone shared a D1100 vs SD865 comparison sometime ago. Will see if I can find it

[coral valley]

They're already spending a lot to get the custom panel probably not a new soc as well

[plush silo]

https://youtu.be/zj8laRK2-xg?si=OgazTciIXZie6VR8

Think it’s this video

[white prism]

I reckon rp5 won

[coral valley]

My bets are on rp3

[plush silo]

Clearly, it’s the RP1 /j

[stray dagger]

Dolphin, Switch and Winlator profit the most from Snapdragon drivers atm

like to the point where the RP5 can handle a bunch of GCN games at 3x instead of 2x

PS2 is actually a case by case thing, where the RP4pro wins out on some titles

[dusky ferry]

have not really seen any where the rp4 pro wins out, which ps2 titles?

[hybrid viper]

Offtopic cow nonsense ✅
Offtopic political matters ❌

[lilac blaze]

interesting this

[stray dagger]

Jack & Daxter was one of them iirc?

[lilac blaze]

the 4 series couldn't make much hype as the 3 or the 5

[unkempt ferry]

Thanks will watch

[limpid ledge]

Actually it's did because rp4 was budget ps2 and gamecube pocketable at the time

[distant drum]

@blazing burrow I guess this means we can start a RP Mini 2 upcoming devices thread

#1336037750889250960 message

[stray dagger]

#1348657419542073436 we already did

[distant drum]

https://comparesizes.com/comparison/Mini-vs-Flip-2-vs-RP5/1741627922463

[lilac sable]

i think ill have to buy one.........

[random zephyr]

Damn that looks good

How will the sticks feel though?

[distant drum]

I need to know if it can replace my mini or if it is too rotund.

2.4 CM is pretty THICC

[lilac sable]

were there any images of the back of the flip2? wondering how the ergo/grip is compared to rp5

[sweet shuttle]

They're very confident in the ergo for what it's worth

[stray dagger]

it's rather flat iirc, getting thicker towards the triggers

[lilac sable]

hmm.... i find the rp5 really comfy to hold. if the flip2 is flatter, then maybe its a no go for me

but i guess theres more to hold on compared to a traditional vertical

[chilly hollow]

It’s comfy to hold… until you actually start playing a game

Well, with joysticks anyway

[distant drum]

The mini is great to use with joysticks

Play minecraft for 3 hours at a time on that bad boy.

[random tulip]

This thread has made me just appreciate how much cow content is out there honestly

[warped leaf]

maybe we need a honorary cow thread once this is out

[random tulip]

At least a mascot

Maybe some content creators in cow costumes...

[stray dagger]

would be fun if Russ wears a cow costume when he tries to pocket the Flip 2

[tawdry dove]

better yet do it then refuse to elaborate on social media

[stray dagger]

@stiff depot we have some demands for your Flip 2 content

[rigid thicket]

Don't even refuse to elaborate.
Just never acknowledge it at all. 😂

[stiff depot]

soft pass

[south mantle]

At least it wasn’t a hard pass

[sweet shuttle]

RUSS

hello

[lilac sable]

key word soft.....

https://tenor.com/view/sayingtheresachance-chance-yeah-jim-carrey-theresachance-gif-5169610

[sweet shuttle]

Russ, I offer you a snack and soft drink of choice if you do this

Please consider carefully

[hushed shadow]

So you're saying there's a chance....

[distant drum]

What if someone purchases it for Russ? The costume, not the device.

[stray dagger]

well, I mean, has he any way people can send him shit?

[severe ridge]

cow pattern shirt

[stray dagger]

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B0BX3MGYFH the pocket situation on this may be questionable

okay guys, we are on

[warped leaf]

humble brag

[vital belfry]

I don’t think he’ll get that himself

Maybe fan mail it to him

And once it is at a hands reach it’ll be more tempting

[stray dagger]

we will just refuse to watch his content after that, if the Flip 2 video isn't made in a cow onesie

[desert canyon]

it does seem like the only way retroid can right their wrongs is to make a cow print flip 2

i'd...probably buy it

[stray dagger]

we could suggest cow decals on the Flip 2 they will send Russ

[tacit latch]

black and white shirt?

just looking for an acceptable compromise

[frosty oxide]

I must missed something, whats with all the flip 2 and cows thing going on right now?

[warped leaf]

no news and the thread keeps getting derailed to politics so we post cows

[floral pebble]

Instead of a pocket test can we see how the flip 2 fits in this?

[frosty oxide]

🙄

[blazing burrow]

This is a must

[blazing burrow]

This is accurate

[blazing burrow]

[spring terrace]

If you send him a cow costume he'll have one less excuse to not doing it

[frosty oxide]

this is bunch of 😄

[frosty oxide]

if they make a cow print device, some might can say its truly a cash cow device.

[wintry rock]

How about this test instead?

[warped leaf]

[blazing burrow]

If he doesn't, I will have no choice but to

[blazing burrow]

Finally i can figure out if im pregnat

[formal latch]

You'll be the last to know, we've all suspected for awhile...

[weak fulcrum]

I should call her...

[tranquil elbow]

AM I PREGANAT?

[stray dagger]

I mean, it would be funny, but Youtube would certainly flag Russ

[random tulip]

Sweet lord

I was thinking more like this:

[coral valley]

Somehow I think the lingerie would be more dignified

[random tulip]

Hmm. I think we had different goals 😆

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[wintry rock]

I am PREGANTE

Have to link it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EShUeudtaFg

[visual pumice]

No bun in the oven but I do have a big microwave.

[south mantle]

So can I play Battlefield 6 on the Flip 2?

[tacit latch]

Retroid just randomly decided to forget about the flip 2

[south mantle]

They forgor

[south mantle]

Surely this means Flip 2 pricing Wednesday??

[vital belfry]

sureeeeeeeeelyyy

[south mantle]

How else am I supposed to play my Wii games on the go

[visual pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-5526730

[unique nymph]

False

[limpid ledge]

Does my eyes deceive me ?

Taki

[copper burrow]

He lives!

[weak fulcrum]

crossover episode

[copper burrow]

Wonder when he will get the units shipped out to those still waiting

[coral valley]

I predict the price reveal to be tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-the-orb-gif-13211537702542941358

[tacit gorge]

im sensing initial rp5 pricing plus a $15 to $30 clamshell surcharge.

[tawdry dove]

https://tenor.com/view/cows-road-raining-attack-car-gif-3510059

more cows is my prediction

[tacit gorge]

your gif needs more cowbell

[hybrid viper]

The most likely outcome

I'd rather it be the same price as the rp5 though, this constant price creeping up slowly every generation is starting to piss me off

It's the boiling frog, nobody cares because it happens so slowly until one day we wake up and the next retroid is $400

[sage oriole]

I mean, they're using better screens and more powerful chips so I would expect the price to be more than the old RP2. I dont think that a device capable of emulating up to GC/PS2 with a sprinkling of Switch for under $250 is bad at all. Of course, we all want these devices for the lowest price possible as well.

[hybrid viper]

People have been conditioned now into thinking better product = more cost. The way it traditionally works is the new product is better at the same cost, with a price increase at the same time it's not really moving the needle forward.

This product could have come out for whatever they're going to charge for it 2 years ago

[lilac sable]

Jensen Huang laughs at you

[fathom geyser]

They can charge what they can for it because there’s nothing you can buy out there like it, basic supply and demand

[random tulip]

Tech also devalues pretty fast. CPU is 5 years old now

Not to mention they basically have everything they need to figure out on the rp5

[sage oriole]

I agree but you're also dealing with a small Chinese company and not Samsung.

[random tulip]

I mean Retroid sells some weight

I wouldnt consider it like MagicX

Buying old chips in bulk ain't crazy expensive

Screens def the priciest thing on here

Who knows they might have bought stock for RP5 and flip at same time

[sage oriole]

The pimax portal which has a SD865 released for $299 2 years ago and that had no OLED screen. I dont think this would be a bad deal at around $250

[random tulip]

Not a horrible one. Still hoping it's more 220-230

[sage oriole]

Yeah the lower the better of course but the discourse from some seems like it should be sub $150 because reasons

[random tulip]

Again, a lot of the electrical engineering is basically figured out at this point

Haha. Yeah. Def not thet

It is pretty nice that manus can repackage most of the same electronics in a different shape and sell buttloads to the same people

Not that it's bad for us. It reduces cost

[versed vigil]

Welp, someone just confirmed that they are accepting more refunds than the 200.

[random tulip]

Crazy you have to occasionally beat companies to get good customer service

[floral pebble]

If the flip 2 costs more than "premium glass front" rp5 I'm blaming mini refunders for needing to subsidize their returns

[random tulip]

Comes with hand written thank you notes from mini returns tho 😁

[tacit gorge]

then again they still sell the switch today. how old is that thing now?

[random tulip]

I mean that's a little different. You're really dependent on one company to advance that device

And for many normies there really isn't competition

Maybe if/when Sony/Microsoft release an alternative

Looking at devaluation of 5 year old cpus is probably more apt

[hybrid viper]

Consoles are fundamentally different, they are proprietary hardware that runs proprietary software

They have increased longevity and lifespan because of it

When you're talking about CPUs in phones, used to emulate the consoles, progression in performance is paramount

Mainly because emulation requires a lot more horsepower, but also the non proprietary nature means increased competition

If you want to play switch games and you're a normie, you buy a switch. The option isn't there to buy a console alternative that also plays switch games, let alone the hundreds of alternatives that smartphones have

[versed vigil]

Well I wouldn’t say that.

Some companies just ignore you at best, and pretend they’re solving the issues, only to send you a screen with an even worse issue than before, and then they’re replacement device also has the same issue but you’re sick of this shit so you give up and concede it’s not as bad as the first. cough Anbernic cough

It still sucks that we have to occasionally beat the ones who do try to listen, though.

[tacit latch]

isn't that what you alluded to in your Adin Walls podcast? a lot of the issues you discuss there in relation to your previous employer match the kind of things that happened with Retroid, so I don't know how to read that otherwise

[versed vigil]

Oh shit, Taki’s here.

Oh wait, he’s been here since 2020?

[hybrid viper]

It's like you discovered lurking is a thing

[random tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/lurking-creeping-lurker-creeper-browse-gif-7869977

[fathom geyser]

It’s gonna cost more, even b4 all the mini stuff I knew that

At most I expect $250, but I can see it being lower

[random tulip]

Think his point was more than planned

[limpid ledge]

Yep

[versed vigil]

I mean, I know about lurking, but even I’d be surprised at the patience you’d have to have to be seeing and not responding to the multiple instances of people saying stuff about you that’s either exaggerated or not true (that’s including before Retro Remake).

[hybrid viper]

i mean im in like 30 servers, half of which i never check. im sure its the same for him, too busy to see any shttalking

[wooden phoenix]

People actually check all the servers they are in? Man, being unemployed must be nice lol.

[peak nacelle]

It's fun for a few years, then it sucks for a long time, then you either go crazy or become a wizard

[wooden phoenix]

I check like 3 servers for specific things of all the ones I'm in. Having a full time job and kids... I'm glad I don't have time to just sit and stare at discord all day lol