Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[echo lynx]

Why won't they make a hot dog/baguette handheld?

[versed vigil]

It was its own separate question where it was up against IPS and MiniLED.

[versed vigil]

Wait what?

[naive hollow]

[rigid thicket]

I think the poll had an "Other?: ______" option where you could enter a custom answer.

[echo lynx]

It would be super spectacular if someone was to make an OLED dual screen

[rigid thicket]

Which explains the multiple dual screen options.

[versed vigil]

They didn’t even have 2 separate Dual OLED options when I was doing the survey.

[versed vigil]

I guess?

[coral valley]

I typed in dual oled when i responded

[versed vigil]

Wait no it’s 3 different options.

[versed vigil]

As soon as MagicX actually starts showing prototypes and still manages to keep it at a low enough price, I’ll be fully willing to recommend that option to people who want Dual screen Android.

[naive hollow]

I'll buy it as long as the chip isn't fake

[coral valley]

In the meantime, the ONEXSUGAR awaits

[rigid thicket]

Still think that thing is dumb, ahaha.

[versed vigil]

Like outright I’d be fully willing to recommend it over the Flip 2 if that’s what they’re looking for.

[echo lynx]

It's not like there's anything else to reccomend

So you might as well reccomend magicx

[coral valley]

it is, but I'll take what I can get

[rigid thicket]

Unless it's a TrimUI Smart Pro situation where the form factor is perfect, but it can't fully play the games it looks perfect for ,ahaha.

[coral valley]

It's supposed to have an 8 gen 3 I believe

[rigid thicket]

In regards to the MagicX option

[coral valley]

Though that's also coming from NITTRIX so take that as you will

[rigid thicket]

The ONEXSUGAR just looks super overspec and overengineered with none of the traditional benefits of something with a hinge.

[versed vigil]

From what I can tell, the Super SP is apparently planning to
use the same chips as either the Two or Three MagicX stuff, which last I remembered were both expected to be at least capable of upscaled 3DS.

[rigid thicket]

Something to keep an eye on then.

[versed vigil]

Correct me if I’m wrong though Hopium, I haven’t gotten to check up on what Sean had most recently said the Super SP would be using.

[rigid thicket]

It kind of sucks because I want to wait for the MagicX offering, but I don't want to miss out on the Flip 2 like the Flip 1 again.

Although I guess reselling is an option.

[coral valley]

I'm probably going to wait, gotta save for the onexsugar 🤞

[random tulip]

Yeah. It's such a weird takw

Id honestly use this functionality in every system. So I just don't get it. People will make excuses til it happens. Then shit themselves with excitement

[random tulip]

My fallback plan

The number of people who will hate dual screen happening and refuse to buy/use it will be countable on two hands. Maybe two hands and a foot.

That said, discussing it here can def be moot considering we know it ain't happening with the flip 2

[rigid thicket]

It's not like I don't get it, unless you take advantage of a second screen on the regular it won't really make sense outside of the obvious.
Especially in the context of a retro handheld where you immediately just think "what does two screens offer to emulation?" instead of "what does two screens offer in general?"

But once you get hooked it's just a downgrade going back to single screens, ahaha.

[random tulip]

Yeah. I mean there are still people who refuse to game on a PC with more than one monitor. I think? Maybe?

[rigid thicket]

I think it's more acceptable to have 2+ monitors now than it used to be.

Or like, it makes sense to more people now.

And once you're used to 2 monitors going back to 1 is a travesty, ahaha.

[random tulip]

I see it as kind of the same thing. That said, something that lets you switch to 1 if you want is cool. I can understand the advantage as far as battery life goes and whatnot

ONEXSUGAR is pretty cool concept wise. Just wish Retroid was also trying it 😆

[rigid thicket]

It's soooo over the top though, ahaha.

Why 3 hinges?
Why clamshell but it only "closes" with both screens exposed?!

[random tulip]

Haha. Why id want Retroid to take a stab. Feel like they'd come up with something more practical (affordable)

[echo lynx]

In serious discussion the super SP probably shouldnt be in consideration. I know that Magicx is very malleable and definitely adjusts based off what the community is saying, but there's zero confirmation that the super SP will happen. Only one SP and twosp are confirmed, but a very shaky sort of confirmation

Although maybe our speaking of it as if it will happen will get Magicx to canonize this

[mystic void]

Any new info? How y'all have so many messages this morning lol

[uncut knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcbCP6L9Hxo&t=386s

[sacred kindle]

Fight Duel of the Dual Screens

[white prism]

Is it out yet

[sacred kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/lara-croft-saying-no-tomb-raider-lara-croft-tomb-raider-the-angel-of-darkness-tomb-raider-anniversary-gif-10720487479635811892

[wary briar]

why you gotta hurt me like this

RP2s AND the flip 1 for me

[steady osprey]

My money is on 199/249 D1100/SD865 respectively

Would love to see a $20 preorder and maybe a $10 preorder on SD865 and D1100 respectively

[icy bramble]

They're not going under the price of the RP5 for either

[jolly kayak]

Yall think it'll be safe to pre-order it?

They've made better-hinge improvements before, and the hardware is a repackaged rp5. Probably safe?

[steady osprey]

Why can't the D1100 variant be cheaper?

[plush silo]

They could definitely go under RP5 with the cheaper model given it uses an objectively worse chip than what's on the RP5

[jolly kayak]

I love me some circle jerky nothing burger convos

[coral valley]

Everything is likely going to be revealed tomorrow

[plush silo]

They say that, but I'm gonna wait anyways.
Not like I'll be able to buy it for a long while anyhow

Rather see if it ends up true or not.
They won't want to repeat the hinge issues of the Flip 1, but you never know. Plus it could end up having other kinds of issues instead x3

[jolly kayak]

That's fair

We're looking at a summer retail availability, probably?

Not retail, but you know what I mean

Non pre order

[coral valley]

Probably late spring to early summer yeah

[swift hamlet]

I need it now

[rigid thicket]

They said they're doing "100,000 open/close hinge tests" but it's still just their word.

Would've been funny if they livestreamed hinge testing.

[sacred kindle]

I would watch that

free PR for them

[mystic void]

There's no world where this gets dual screens lol

Shit would be SOOO expensive

[sacred kindle]

We had a gigantic argument about it a few hours ago

[mystic void]

Oh reading through that, homie is on some zah zah if he thinks a dual screen expensive 865 would do well

[coral valley]

It would

[mystic void]

No way lol

It would rightfully get dunked on as a super luxury item that doesn't make sense

And calling 865 luxury would be a huge overstatement

[coral valley]

$280 is luxury?

[ocean cedar]

thats pretty much high end for retro handhelds

you can get a much faster cpu for that price, too

[mystic void]

Lol dude it would be much more than 280. Either that or they accept that the software is likely going to be insanely jank or ass

[rigid thicket]

If we're going solely on price, everyone should just get a Steam Deck.

Why get an Odin 2 Mini when you can get an Odin 2 for much cheaper.

[sacred kindle]

pocket vita-like

not that it'll be a good price when we get something with similar power for less

[coral valley]

The stats don't lie, there would be a massive demand

[mystic void]

Lol dude a dual screen flip is pushing well past where a reasonable person would agree. Y'all acting like it would be 10-30$ more

[coral valley]

That's assuming a lot, we were arguing over whether a $280 version would sell

Now you're just putting words in my mouth

[mystic void]

280 is assuming a lot in the positive direction lol. It would be much more

[coral valley]

How much do you think it would be then

[rigid thicket]

I saw me catching strays 😂

[coral valley]

Wrong reply

my bad

[rigid thicket]

And again, software isn't a problem. There's literally an open source build of Android for the Duo they can work off of.

But people will pay to get a form factor they want.

And a second screen can be used for more than just emulating NDS/3DS/WiiU.

Ayaneo just existing kind of proves people will pay dumb prices.

[coral valley]

Fr, I would never pay over $200 for just gameboy emulation but Analogue seem to be doing quite well

[mystic void]

Ayaneo is selling less and less quantities, getting destroyed by numbers outside of chine really lol. Idk what their numbers in china are. Shit they just straight up didn't get the DS style thing they had to all their preorder people lmao

And analogue has fpga playing real hardware

[rigid thicket]

FPGA handheld/consoles are wild to me. You pay so much to play specific consoles at effectively stock.

...but again, that's just a niche that people want.

Just like a dual screened device.

[coral valley]

Fpga is still technically emulation, regardless my point is that people (myself included), will pay more for a more accurate experience, hence the dual screens

[tawdry dove]

need that cycle accurate pokermans shiny grindset

[stray dagger]

but not SOFTWARE emulation

[coral valley]

Yeah

[rigid thicket]

Heck, I will pay Odin 2 Mini price for a dual screen device.

A full $100 extra premium.

[stray dagger]

I mean, a dual screen variant of the Flip 2 as it is, should stay below $290 IMO

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, I can't imagine it'd be that much more expensive since they're already sourcing all the screens needed.

And no premium glass front.

[coral valley]

Not making a dual screen when they have all the parts necessary is a generational fumble, not that the flip 2 by itself is bad but man

[rigid thicket]

It's not like the dual screen examples only work on expensive chips too. The Duo is SD855 and the Duo 2 is SD888.

[versed vigil]

Oh they’re absolutely gonna make the D1100 one below the RP5’s price. They’re not gonna make the D1100 Flip over $45 more than the RP4 Pro.

[stray dagger]

Flip 2 D1100 has to be $199 or less
Flip 2 SD865 has to be $239 or less

anything more and I riot

[rigid thicket]

If they want they can source SD855 chips and then just slap on the AOSP Duo Android build on it with 0 effort

[stray dagger]

I would rather see the SD888 instead but welp

but make the device wider

I don't want shit controls for the screen

[rigid thicket]

(Being facetious, obviously there's more to it than that)

[rigid thicket]

They can make it a pseudo clamshell so it's basically just a Duo with a controller slapped on it.

Or they should do that.

[stray dagger]

fair enough tbh, would be fine with that, but rather put some speakers on top next to the screen

[sacred kindle]

Will hold you to that tomorrow

[stray dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/marms-marm-marms-nft-marm-nft-solmarms-gif-6572523995460048518

[rigid thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/chipmunk-bunny-store-shopping-shopping-cart-gif-17326286262761534186

Whoop, didn't realize this had the caption at the end, ahaha.

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-lobo-lobisomem-werewolf-lobisomem-pidao-gif-5024427197428066691

[versed vigil]

Oh that’s not even getting into the bit where they’d have to first source those chips for a cheap enough price in the first place, on top of the fact that they’d have to modify the image to work with the alternative screens they’d use (instead of using the same exact screens the Duo used).

And then there’s the bit where they still have to get it working with all their software.

[stray dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/natural-habitat-raccoon-uv-shaking-head-disappointed-gif-5372892843548108682

[rigid thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/scare-natural-habitat-crow-gif-13414414477073894490

[rigid thicket]

The chips is a fair point, but it was a joke suggestion since it'd be easier to pull the dual screen code snippet from the AOSP build and apply it to whatever Android build they use.
The screens thing isn't a big problem since they know what screens they have. It's not like CFW where they have to figure out what the screens are in the first place.
And software...other than making Android display two screens as one large screen (which, again, has an open source solution available) there is no other issue. Emulators already have stacked screen rendering. It'd be like using TATE mode.

As Chris has said, the only real issue with a dual screen device is stepping on Nintendo patents. Everything else isn't a big deal.

That and like, cost and demand I guess.

[versed vigil]

“They know what screens they have, they don’t need to figure it out”
You say that as they’re still working on fixing the issues with the RP Mini’s screen (the only screen I can unironically see them using since it’s got an insanely low power draw compared to most others, so it would legit be the best option for minimizing excessive power drain issues), with near complete radio silence for the most part.

[coral valley]

Aren't those issues primarily for pixel art games?

[rigid thicket]

It's more noticeable in pixel games, but it affects the display in general.

[coral valley]

Okay, wasn't sure

[rigid thicket]

I can't speak on that specifically, but that's more a failure in follow-up than execution.

It'd be better for everyone if they just said it's not something they can fix if it isn't.

Feels like they're just hoping everyone will forget because it "isn't a big deal"

I'm guessing whatever screen they sourced isn't correctly documented so it's being rendered incorrectly, but if it was fixable by software I feel like one of the CFW guys would've figured it out.

[onyx hazel]

Odin 2 Portal Flip gonna be the size of a damn house boat

[coral valley]

Probably'd be roughly the size of a gpd win mini, but also a lot thinner

[random tulip]

Hope it's not too thin. Eventually we'll just be back at laptops

[coral valley]

If they make it

[onyx hazel]

Could be kinda cool, actually

O2P is way too fuckin big though

I got it in hand and was like, this is basically a steam deck

[coral valley]

Yeah, I kind of get the appeal but I can't really justify getting one when I already have a legion go

[random tulip]

Having a large foldable is interesting... Dunno how I feel about it. Kinda kills the portability

[random tulip]

Kinda feel that way about the portal as well

[onyx hazel]

I noped quick like on O2P, but considering a flip version would not be so huge, I could be more into that

[random tulip]

It at least adds some functionality to the size

[coral valley]

With the flip there might be a chance you could fit it in a pocket

[random tulip]

Yeah. This would def fit

I carry my flip 1 in pocket now and the dimensions are pretty similar

[coral valley]

Oh I meant the hypothetical portal flip

[random tulip]

Oh. Heh. I mean I pocketed the mini

A mini slide like GPD would be awesome

With 2 screens

[coral valley]

It would probably be easier to make too

[jolly kayak]

I'd feel better if they said 1,000,000

[random tulip]

Id feel better if it was more than one device 😆

[jolly kayak]

True

[formal latch]

Have the pixel 9 pro fold, part of me wishes we could put these dual screen arguments to bed by someone making a clamshell with a folding screen and software to allow turning off parts of the screen you don't want to use...
Maybe someday folding screens could be good enough quality, cheap enough and durable enough to make something like this and make everybody happy...
No worries about patents, or battery life or whatever then.
But I know it's not going to happen and I'm sure people will have reasons to be unhappy with that option anyways

[random tulip]

I love my pixel fold 1. But folding screens are so fragile. I don't think anyone would want to deal with replacements like Google does

[formal latch]

Yeah, I only think this idea would work if the screens could somehow be more durable than they currently are... Which I just very much doubt happening any time soon

[echo lynx]

mhm dual screen

idk how people havent noticed that there's a massive demand for dual screens

not everything is about the power

i need my ds

[onyx hazel]

https://www.ayaneo.com/product/AYANEO-FLIP-DS

gotchu fam

[echo lynx]

and people will accept and buy that if the prices arent crazy braindead

[echo lynx]

not sold anymore

why do people act like this will hurt them?

is having options bad?

[onyx hazel]

generally speaking, people in this hobby are a little above average intelligence

and that translates to everybody knowing everything, unfortunately

this whole thread is people pontificating on speculative reasons behind decisions about this device, for example

so naturally, people want to explain the many, many reasons why a dual screen handheld won't work

[echo lynx]

i hate social medias fulled with kids

a crowd of r36s dropshipper believers

[onyx hazel]

it's not as bad as Retroid's own server, believe it or not

[formal latch]

Well, not just that, it often feels like people can't accept other people having their own beliefs and opinions and just leaving it at that. Sometimes reminds me of being drunk at a small party or something and then there's just those 2-3 people who've gotten into a huge argument about something only they care about and everybody's awkwardly waiting for them to burn themselves out or move on

No offense, just what it reminds me of

[onyx hazel]

Yeah, totally

the input lag discussion from last night, for example

the Odin fans can't handle that some people simply perceive input lag and that it feels gross

[formal latch]

I have a specific problem that not everyone I've talked to can relate to, in that I'm sensitive to lower framerates... If they're too low, I can perceive a "chop" to the image, almost like clicking quickly through a PowerPoint or something... My coworker can't see this at all, even if I set something to lock at 30 FPS. And then I have friends who can see it, but don't care. It becomes less noticable above 45 FPS, and by 60, I can't see it anymore.
Wouldn't be right of me to go around saying "people who play at 30 FPS are less evolved losers" or something equally pretentious... Just accept people have their own perceptions and move on. Whatever. Is what it is. 🤷‍♂️

[rigid thicket]

This already exists as the Surface Duo, ahaha.
There's an app that lets you toggle off a screen.
Too bad Microsoft gave up on the Duo 🥲

[coral valley]

While I agree that it's never so serious that we should resort to personal attacks, part of the reason these discussions get out of hand is that everyone is (in)directly competing with each other to make their voice heard and dictate the possible characteristics of the next handheld. These companies are still somewhat influenced by what the community wants.

[onyx hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[coral valley]

Reaching?

[onyx hazel]

I mean… kinda, but not like, you know

Not like right here in this particular server

But I do get what you mean

[coral valley]

Well yeah, but you see these type of arguments on reddit and youtube

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, the immediate dismissal of things because it doesn't affect or align with someone personally is annoying.
Like, yeah, okay, maybe input lag isn't noticeable for the majority of people, but playing fighting games where you're used to frame perfect commands makes it noticeable even if it's in a game where it doesn't matter as much. 🥲

[onyx hazel]

Yeah, I was just thinking something similar

[rustic tendon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Zxf2MgYCOm0?si=nQ0FIWHeX8zryWFP

Fkn love this

[versed vigil]

Welcome to my personal Hell as the guy who’s a fan of multiple different action game series that all require minimal lag, and has owned literally all 3 Odin 2’s, while still dealing with Odin 2 shills pretending the input latency is “not bad at all, you’re all just babies!”

[onyx hazel]

Most of the games I like to play have strict timing, so I’m ultra sensitive to lag

If I miss a certain jump in Castlevania III because of lag, I’m not into it

[versed vigil]

Like, for Christ’s sake, they’re saying this to someone who literally owned the same exact handheld they’re defending harder than any Retroid or even AYANEO fan ever has done before.

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, it's not about being able to play around it. Obviously you can.
But if you're used to timing things at the perfect time rather than a bit before or buffering it's a hard habit to break.

[echo lynx]

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No - not yet. But you should refrain from making comments like this in the future. Otherwise I will be forced to issue an additional downvote, which may put your commenting and posting privileges in jeopardy.
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[coral valley]

bruh

[onyx hazel]

😵‍💫

[echo lynx]

Actually cannot have an argument because there's always a big winner

And they might even be losing

[versed vigil]

With me, it gets annoying when someone’s trying to claim “you never used it, you’re just repeating some nonsense. It’s totally not bad at all” to someone who actively bought all 3 (and yeah, I can verify that the RP5 and Mini absolutely have less input latency than the Odin 2 base model or Mini, but that the Portal is actually really good for Ayn stuff).

[coral valley]

Reddit arguments are probably the worst online arguments

If you get one downvote it's over

[echo lynx]

Other times I see a post, downvote some BS and when I come back it's top comment

But it's the only way to interact with an actual community

Every other social media is too malleable

[severe ridge]

i feel the input lag on all things, i just compensate for it when playing
i dont have an odin 2, but i have a switch and an android phone or 3, as well as the rp2s, rpmini and rp5, ive yet to meet a device i cant compensate for

portal is on the way too

[echo lynx]

Respond to stuff before it occurs

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

[severe ridge]

games but retro especially are just memorizing patterns yes

[versed vigil]

You mean all of human existence? Compensating for input lag is the literal default that everyone does, the problem is that people have different tolerances for how much they compensate.

[severe ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/mckaysrodney-jack-oneill-stargate-sg1-sg1-stargate-gif-23362558

[onyx hazel]

Plot twist

Guys an RTS fan

[echo lynx]

Geometry dash???????

[severe ridge]

Get those APMs up, no rookie shit

[severe ridge]

did they implement procedurally generated levels?

@onyx hazel that flash drive came with the starcraft 2 collectors editon

[onyx hazel]

I see

[tacit latch]

man this channel is terrible

[formal latch]

I'm just here for flip 2 news/rumours 🫤

[hybrid viper]

Haven't been staying on top of the news, do we have a price yet?

[hybrid viper]

That's because Reddit as a platform is terrible, the voting system encourages groupthink and discourages counter narrative

[severe ridge]

nope, only the assumed range of close to the rp5

[hybrid viper]

Alright, I'm guessing it'll be a few more days

[severe ridge]

we just got specs wednesday, so i guess next week

[white scarab]

how are the flippers doin

[open sonnet]

This is nothing compared to Retroid's own discord.

[white scarab]

i assume that channel is as toxic as the elephants foot

[echo lynx]

I appreciate it when I'm dealing with garbage takes on insta

[coral valley]

Price reveal will be tomorrow

It was revealed to me in a dream

[jolly kayak]

For reallllll

80% of the time I check chat, it's someone circle jerking about some topic that was discussed 100 messages ago

[weak fulcrum]

guilty, your honour

[opaque harbor]

Hm wouldn't the price probably be 180$ and 220$ ?

[jolly kayak]

What were the prices like for RP3+ vs RPFlip?

[surreal ledge]

do we know what chip it has yet?

[vivid seal]

There are 2 options
SD865 (like the RP5)
D1100 (like the RP4 Pro)

[surreal ledge]

thanks

[unkempt ferry]

What are the chances they use the same clicky loud buttons they use on the Mini/RP5 ?

[versed vigil]

$150-$155(can’t perfectly remember it) for the 3+, $165 for the Flip 1 (that I can remember since I literally have the email for the purchase of my first Flip).

[versed vigil]

Almost guaranteed to be the same D-Pad given they’re literally using the same design (the Flip 1 had a more traditional Nintendo Cross DPad), not sure about the face buttons.

[unkempt ferry]

Really not a fan TBH , they are distractingly loud and the wife gives me dirty looks when I use it

Not the good kind

[versed vigil]

…We talking about the face buttons or D-Pad?

[unkempt ferry]

Face buttons D pad is great

[versed vigil]

Because I’d understand if you meant the face buttons, but the D-Pad is literally quieter than my actual GBA SP.

[vivid seal]

Just found out there might actually be a D900 widescreen clamshell in the works, just not from Retroid .

#1266817458417832110 message

https://shop.magicx.team/products/magicx-sp

[versed vigil]

Ok, then yeah, it’s the D-Pad that’s most likely the same, but I’m not sure about the Face Buttons so they could’ve potentially made those better.

[versed vigil]

They already canceled those plans since they’re gonna be using different chips.

The MagicX SP is still gonna be made, they’re just not using the D900 for the Two handhelds.

[jolly kayak]

Based on that pricing, D1100 is either $200 or $215, and the snapdragon is probably $235 or $240

[versed vigil]

Ah, actually I was mistaken on my part.
$165 was the price of the limited edition Sport Red.

[versed vigil]

Messed up when I was subtracting the discount I had from my order price.

[versed vigil]

And just confirmed that the RP3+ was genuinely $150 (although the clear purple and clear blue were both $155, like the Sport Red Flip). So altogether, I can now confirm it was legit only a $10 price difference, so it should be at most around $230 for the SD865 one (with an increase to $235 also making sense), and the D1100 would be around $185-$195 (depending on whether they count the first $185 discounted price or the current $175 discounted price).

[jolly kayak]

I hope they base off the current RP4P price for D1100

[wary briar]

which color are you gonna buy

Yes

[versed vigil]

I’m mostly split between the Black (to make a Black-GC theme) or the Ice Blue (to recreate my Ice Blue PS2 Controller themed RP4 Pro).

[tropic surge]

color me intrigued!

[naive hollow]

Ice

If I do buy

[wary briar]

no one buying the us snes

peasants

[naive hollow]

@ocean cedar is

Allegedly

[wary briar]

wait, werent you the 406V sniffer

[ocean cedar]

If Russ does a group buy

[naive hollow]

Who

[ocean cedar]

$40 shipping is

[wary briar]

the 406V sniffer, you were like telling me how its a great device

[naive hollow]

I don't recall

I'm new here

Must have me confused with a different person

[wary briar]

what the chances its the exact same DP

my bad

[naive hollow]

[wary briar]

you liar
#1280920071790661733 message

lmao

it is you

[naive hollow]

Lies and slander

Must be an imposter

[jolly kayak]

Have they mentioned the material/surface texture?

[severe ridge]

its cardboard with grip tape this time

[swift hamlet]

They gotta start pre orders or imma crash out

[jolly kayak]

So that you can then crash out over which color is going to ship first?

[versed vigil]

I’m not even gonna lie, that’s the third option I’m debating getting just to make a PSX themed Flip 2, but I’m considering saving that for the Vertical instead, assuming they do a 16-bit or even DMG colorway for that.

[swift hamlet]

If I’m not mistaken you’re buying the glacier ice correct?

[fathom geyser]

They prolly should’ve done Red rather than US SNES, but 16 bit/SNES will always be a classic 💪

[swift hamlet]

Yess

I still don’t know which color to get

Maybe black and paint half of it white with black speckle

Do u think sticker bombingit would make it overheat

[random tulip]

transparent on a flip is just so cool tho, i love my watermelon flip 1

[fathom geyser]

Same, I love transparent colors in general. I was the one who made this mockup

[gritty kraken]

I'm waiting to see an actual physical unit before I decide if I go translucent or not

Love them or hate them, Analogue's translucent Pockets look like real gems. They knocked those editions out of the park.

Rendering vs. IRL

The "Ice Blue" RPF2 kinda reminds me of those PS2 controllers

[nova violet]

This is the ice blue you are getting for the Flip 2

[gritty kraken]

Impressive. Brighter than I expected

[swift hamlet]

Ugh I hate it tbh

I wanna see these on the flip 2 gahdamn 🔥

[white prism]

$280

[copper burrow]

Damn a lot of random stuff in here overnight huh

[severe ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/551047564523470868/1328536984532156467/IMG_5999.gif

[copper burrow]

I would have so much more sympathy for people sensitive to input lag (I get it, it sucks) if they don't call people shills for disagreeing with them 😉 (also has all the Odin's) yeah it's definitely there. I'm not sensitive to it myself and probably I play different games so I don't experience it as much. Just ya know..... 🙂

[naive blade]

This setup is so 🔥

It's pretty portable I guess but it looks like like og odin2 size

can't beat double screen though

[copper burrow]

that setup is gorgeous ❤️

[sacred kindle]

The passive aggression here is insane

[copper burrow]

Passive aggression? xD

[sage oriole]

The over sensitivity here is insane

[silent canopy]

Yeah Over sensitive to lag

AM I RIGHT

[jolly kayak]

Black or SNES

I wish they'd make more construction yellow devices in the market

Pow Kiddy and eXtremerate have some beautiful yellow shells

Some real CAT style

[sacred kindle]

That too

Arguing over the price of a handheld that doesn't even exist 💀

[echo lynx]

Raaah super SP!!!!!!!!

[versed vigil]

I’d agree with you if I wasn’t talking about people who say “you’re just being a baby or whining over nothing” solely because someone else was complaining about the Odin 2.

[copper burrow]

[versed vigil]

Or to be more direct, “whatever, I’m not gonna get kneepads for Retroid” when the only thing people were doing was complaining about issues they had with the Odin 2.

[wintry rock]

Did you have these issues on the Odin 2 Mini? I haven't had the Portal, but when I tested the Odin 2 Mini, I found that it had no more issues with input lag than any of the other Android devices except the Razer Edge (which had the least of all the devices I tested). The original Odin 2 model was the one I found to have higher input lag.

[versed vigil]

No, but the Odin 2 Mini had its own issues I disliked that were admittedly a lot more “your mileage may vary”, and so far the only other person here I know that disliked the Mini for the same reasons (to the point where we both had sold them for the RP5, although I also got the Portal while they didn’t) was @waxen jolt

[wintry rock]

Ah, okay. I may have misread you as saying that the O2M had input lag issues - and I couldn't confirm that with my own testing.

[versed vigil]

Also, when I say “Odin 2 shills” I will admit I am more specifically talking about people who shill the Odin 2 LCD as being the absolute ultimate device for price to performance and “you should totally just get the Odin 2, its only $300”.

Since, you know, you probably should be acknowledging input lag as something people can be sensitive to if you’re gonna be recommending a device, don’t just dismiss people as being babies.

[uncut crescent]

"YEAH BUY AN ODIN 2" not considering that's only for the base model and only comes in black and has a worse screen than the other two (not bad, just incredibly suboptimal) /s

[copper burrow]

are people geniunely dismissing you as being babies? as that sounds hyperbolic 😄

[uncut crescent]

Mornin sarcasm aside, input lag is a weird issue cause that's something i deal with a lot with my job, and while I'm not bothered by it as much (why Im fine with my FAT odin 2), my manager is more aware of it and I recommend him the RP5 or Portal.

I find it stupid to dismiss someone off the premises of input lag since, like pain or alcohol tolerance, some people are just built differently than other and can tell the difference between those things

[versed vigil]

It’s funny, because I’d normally agree with you on it being hyperbolic if you couldn’t find one of their comments just by literally typing the phrase “biggest cry baby” into the search bar.

[copper burrow]

I agree, not dismissing them. by my experience the input lag folks tend to like shouting about their affliction to everyone and their mother even when the topic has little to do with their odin 2 input lag. Not sure if it's a biological or genetic trait when they tend to be very angry people 😄 my main point was not automatically calling anyone who disagrees or contends with them a shill ❤️

[versed vigil]

Now that comment isn’t specifically about input lag, but don’t worry, you can find more by shortening it to “baby” or “cry baby”.

[scenic mortar]

That comment was directed at me, because I said I didn't want to play switch emulation on android because it has crashes.

Apparently this was not an acceptable take

[versed vigil]

Yeah, and I’m disagreeing with you on the premise that the exact context for this situation quite literally is about people complaining about the Odin 2 LCD, and then some people show up solely to call people babies and whiny idiots for complaining about the Odin 2 LCD (or even about other things, like Shortening mentioned).

[copper burrow]

At this stage i am on the 'play it on a switch' as well. I like what we can do with it but the crashes are annoying

[copper burrow]

I think the magical lesson people can take from today's class is not being a dick regardless on stance ❤️

[uncut crescent]

fragile egos i guess? Idk its just stupid to call someone a baby over a legitimate issue, but hey ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper burrow]

Completely agree, as it is stupid to call people shills 😄 circle of life and all that

This is a great discussion on the retroid flip 2!

[uncut crescent]

Oh yeah

I remember why I came in here

Wanted to see what other pieces of info was here

debating on Ice blue or GCN

[plush silo]

What color Flip 2 you guys getting if you're buying it?
Unless there's some other handheld I end up preferring or wanting instead by my bday, I'm going with the Ice Blue one

[tall lichen]

Wait is get an Odin 2 base the new get a steam deck?

[tall lichen]

I'm getting 16bit

[versed vigil]

See, that I can agree on, even if I’d personally still say some people do become outright shills (and I mean in terms of the actual definition, not informal meaning) about the Odin 2 LCD, and I say this as a former owner of the thing.

[plush silo]

16bit is the other color I really like and might consider.
Mostly happy that we got better color options on the Flip 2 compared to the 5

[versed vigil]

But yeah, it’s off topic anyways, so I’m fine with shifting the convo back to the Flip 2.

[uncut crescent]

Ice blue or GC. SNES a bit too bland for me and I HAVE ENOUGH BLACK CONSOLES FOR A LIFE TIME

[tall lichen]

RP5 I got black for the bezels that should not be an issue in the flip 2

[plush silo]

Still curious about what the deal is with this seemingly all White model hidden behind the 16bit

[versed vigil]

I’m currently debating between either:

Ice Blue (for replicating my RP4 Pro’s “Ice Blue DualShock 2” theme).

Or Black (to redo the Black-GC theme I have for my RP5).

[plush silo]

If it's not considered a separate color option, wonder if we'll be able to pick out the button colors too on the order

[uncut crescent]

Tbh, i get why they're doing d1100 and SD865 models, but lets be frank, everyone is gonna get the 865

[plush silo]

Would be sick if you could get red buttons on the black model or all white on GC for an Indigo esque model

[copper burrow]

I am apparently a shill for sharing my own experiences with the Odin 2 i see in contrary to yours 😉

But yes, back to flip 2 ❤️ I'm not sure on what color I'd go for. Price is going to be the big killer

[uncut crescent]

Linux + better android support is too much of a loss to go for the D1100

Unless you wanted pure android

[copper burrow]

I had fun reading the guy who wants dual screens, tho it would be amazing to have a dedicated dual screen android handheld that isnt a phone

[versed vigil]

And I’m also considering getting the SNES one to make a legit PSX themed one (or black with the SNES buttons to make a Black PSX), but I think I’d rather save that for the vertical if I get it.

[plush silo]

That's me pretty much. I don't mind not having Linux on this.
I'm planning to have this as a secondary device to an eventual Steam Deck, so D1100 is good enough for me

[uncut crescent]

I think software is the biggest killer atm with dual screen android

[uncut crescent]

Fair fair

[copper burrow]

i cant imagine battery life will be great too with two screens to manage

[uncut crescent]

And trying to get the emulators that benefit from it to play nice with it

[versed vigil]

As the last word of thought solely to let you know this part, you’re very so not one of the people I’m talking about, because the examples I gave that Shortening found were much more needlessly antagonistic.

You actually were much more pleasant and even polite.

[copper burrow]

All good! Likewise

[uncut crescent]

Huh... actually looking at it more

I might go with 16bit

[copper burrow]

I need to prob trim my collection down before i think about any more. I forked out for an oled deck just this week 😂

[uncut crescent]

Mainly would use it as a dedicated Dreamcast and below device on Rocknix

[versed vigil]

Yeah, the fact we don’t even know if the mystery vertical will have it as a color option is the sole reason why I’m still debating on maybe doing the PSX theme for the Flip 2.

[uncut crescent]

Im

Genuinely hoping it's a vertical

I would love for a strong vertical OLED android handheld just for overkill GBC and 4:3

I hope the Flip 2 is a upgrade where it matters

coughcoughhingeissuescoughcough

[wintry rock]

Black is the ultimate color, though. 🙃

[rigid thicket]

I wish they offered two-tone color options.

[wintry rock]

What makes me sad is that there's no orange. My collection of orange devices is sadly very small (Vita 2000, RG28XX, RP Mini).

[rigid thicket]

Someone brought up that the transparent is nice since seeing the internals on the bottom "fills out" the otherwise empty space.

I'd love a solid color option but with transparent panel on the inside bottom for that reason

[wintry rock]

Depending on pricing, I might get a transparent just for variety even though transparent devices aren't really my thing. Or maybe just get the black one as God intended.

[echo lynx]

Just buy two Magicx tone35s

[waxen jolt]

it could have been the one if it was OLED

[versed vigil]

It could’ve been the one if it had a local dimming toggle.

[waxen jolt]

that too

the odin 2 (normal) is still waiting for the update to fix external screens
the o2 mini is just sitting there with 0 OTAs to its name
the o2 portal is chilling with an OTA waiting to be released to fix the myriad of issues

[wintry rock]

That's a legitimate gripe. It's only noticeable for me with some games, but when it's noticeable for me it's very noticeable. Even the Pimax Portal had a dimming toggle for their miniled version.

No real excuse for Ayn to drop the ball there.

[waxen jolt]

yeah

it was extremely noticeable outside of games and in some games it was just proeminent like crazy

[wintry rock]

(For me the pros for the O2M outweigh the cons, but I can see how that could be a dealbreaker for others.)

[waxen jolt]

it's hard to miss white text being feathered all over the edges

that was one of the reasons I sold it but the other is that ayn black plastic is just smudgy as hell

the mini was 189 new from ayn for me, the 160$ rp4p I bought from here had plastic that was infinitly more smudge resistant

also the usual "base is only black and their black plastic sucks" complaint

[versed vigil]

Yup, I’d be much more forgiving of the MiniLED panel if it had a local dimming toggle.

How is Pimax the company that understood that you should have that toggle for a MiniLED device?

[wintry rock]

I had an RP3+ and I didn't get a 4 series because it used the same screen and the ghosting on the RP3+ was absolutely horrendous. Guess it depends on what artifacts bother you most. (The original O2 also had this issue but not as bad)

Did eventually get back into Retroid devices a bit with the RP Mini, though.

[waxen jolt]

yeah I didn't see the o2 ghosting until I switched (rp4p was still ghosting, just not as much)

[limpid ledge]

Also Rp5 fixed everything that o2m supposed to do

[wintry rock]

Well, they broke the sticks and button layout, but ...

[waxen jolt]

the rp5 overall is the device I was looking for, waiting for word about that official grip they randomly teased would be interesting to try

[versed vigil]

Oh, that’s because the Mediatek chip made it worse since those chips don’t play nice with screens that have odd refresh rates. The original Odin had ghosting issues solely because of the panel, and that led to the Odin Lite having the absolute worst ghosting I’ve seen in a handheld due to it having both a D900 and a really bad panel.

[random tulip]

hoping for RP 6 to fix layout a little, but grips work

[wintry rock]

Never seen the Odin Lite in person but it sounds like I'd have hated it. 🙃

[limpid ledge]

The Good thing that Retroid d1100 flip have actually oled

[waxen jolt]

flip 2 looks neat but no white color means I can't button swap the GC model to put white buttons

[white prism]

What times some more news about this thing ???

[random tulip]

there still might be one, i'm assuming it's a render error, but

[waxen jolt]

it do be a render error

[random tulip]

just happened, so we got a littlle bit

yeah, especially since they said 4 colors, but who knows

[versed vigil]

Depends on if it’s incompatible with the RP5 buttons or not.

[white prism]

What’s that?

[waxen jolt]

I doubt

[limpid ledge]

Odin lite for first 2 years was like people first budget but decent performance

[random tulip]

the renders of the colors was like yesterday

[waxen jolt]

otherwise aughhh

[white prism]

Oh ok

[random tulip]

well, and the specs and dimensions

literally all we're missing is price and launch date

[white prism]

That was Wednesday wasn’t it?

[random tulip]

yeah, you're right

sorry, took me a sec

had to go search through all the posts with photoshoped images of @echo lynx 's super sp

[white prism]

March tomorrow, with pre orders early march soooo give us the dates and prices plz

[echo lynx]

They aren't photoshopped how could you doubt😡😡😡😡😡

[random tulip]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sorry-im-sorry-stitch-apologetic-gif-11297488457718237801

[limpid ledge]

Pre orders I know people want to get sd865 straight away

[wintry rock]

Let's have a moment of sadness that we can't have these colors...

[uncut crescent]

Definitely

[limpid ledge]

Retroid supposed to kept that colour

[uncut crescent]

Especially if Rocknix and Batocera come on it within the first couple days/weeks

[wintry rock]

(for the Flip)

[limpid ledge]

I wish people didn't complain about those colours especially the orange

[fluid stone]

Remember the smokey gray orange mini? That was fun

[waxen jolt]

it's just such a weird color arrangement to me

[uncut crescent]

Ah yes, the Half-Life Mini

[limpid ledge]

Half life theme was perfect

[waxen jolt]

would have liked a "colder" color as in some sort of green, purple or blue

[limpid ledge]

I can't believe people was complaining about that one

[waxen jolt]

16bit, 16bit but weird, half life™️, black and then black+red

[fluid stone]

It's neat but tbf it would kinda stink to get a color that drastically different from what was advertised

Especially when it was a straight up production error

[versed vigil]

Meanwhile I’m happy they accidentally ended up giving me the original color I had vastly preferred over the White and Orange.

[versed vigil]

Screw the White/Orange 2DS, Half-Life looks better.

[limpid ledge]

You can't expect a company to take production that fast same thing retroid with andorid 13 issue

[plush silo]

I love the Saturn color on the Mini so much.
Would've loved seeing it on RP5 too and just in general used again...

[waxen jolt]

I can expect a company to do the slightest bit of QC which that first batch clearly never been through

[limpid ledge]

That's true

[plush silo]

I think the only Retroid product I heard didn't really have any major issues first batch was the 2s, is that true?

[limpid ledge]

Yes

[waxen jolt]

unsure if they'll ever OTA update for the android 13 image because I've seen bugs discussed but a10 and a13 on the mini haven't gotten an update in a bit lol

[fluid stone]

Yeah, any person actually looking at the units would've seen that the color was off lol

[waxen jolt]

what did the 5 have again

[fluid stone]

Wasn't the RP5 pretty smooth sailing?

[versed vigil]

I’d say it’s the same QC most of these companies get since they all use third party for assembling them, but Retroid is literally part of Qualcomm, you’d think they of all people would have better QC.

[limpid ledge]

Not really

[plush silo]

The whole A10 and 6gb ram thing, but that was before launch

[versed vigil]

But eh, at least I got what I wanted out of it.

[waxen jolt]

yeah that's not a launch issue

so I wouldn't count it personally

I guess the dock issues (?)

where it would try to output 4k despite not supporting 4k

[limpid ledge]

But at least Retroid is consistent to try to fix something

[limpid ledge]

Oh yh dock issue

[versed vigil]

And I got to convert more people to the Gray/Orange Mini cult, so now many more are rejecting the White/Orange.

[waxen jolt]

the 5 right now (on my device) is pretty much fixed

the speakers are fine on the OTA they've yet to release publicly

[versed vigil]

I’m honestly confused on why they haven’t, because I can’t find any egregious bugs currently, and it technically already is public, but it’s available in a way more annoying manner for David since he has to push them out for each individual device (versus it being available for everyone by default).

[waxen jolt]

well they haven't pushed it since like monday lol

they really should because it's night and day

[limpid ledge]

I want to ask people use rocknix on rpmini or rp5 to ask what is their experience like

@waxen jolt Jade do you use android or Linux on your device

[waxen jolt]

android

[limpid ledge]

I'm thinking d1100 rp flip 2 making me choosing over sd865 version

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-some-mixed-feelings-mixed-feeling-mixed-emotions-different-feeling-unclear-gif-15735194

[waxen jolt]

865 all the way

I can't even play the de facto game I try on D1100 (Groove Coaster: Wai Wai Party)

it just doesn't render half the game

[limpid ledge]

Wai wai party what kinda of game is that

[waxen jolt]

rhythm

[limpid ledge]

Especially what a unique name

[waxen jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/groove-coaster-groovecoaster-rhythm-game-rhythm-games-arcade-game-gif-8076396947954080223

[limpid ledge]

That look sick

[plush silo]

Hopefully with EtherealSX2 when that inevitably comes out, we can play even more PS2 games at higher resolutions and/or on weaker/less optimized for hardware :)

[limpid ledge]

Oh I just checked its not available on anything than nintendo

[limpid ledge]

Man I can't wait for that

[waxen jolt]

it's on steam I believe

but the switch version is the only updated version

[limpid ledge]

Rp5 I really like it but glass front man one drop means end of the world

[waxen jolt]

yeah that's the one thing I don't like

[limpid ledge]

You have black version innit

[waxen jolt]

gc with white buttons

[limpid ledge]

That sounds beautiful

[fathom geyser]

That was my biggest issue. No color. All white, black, and grey

I would’ve probably bought a mini otherwise

[waxen jolt]

maybe I would have too lol

dodged the massive bullet that is called the screen issue

[fathom geyser]

True that

[plush silo]

For me, the issue was the price being so close to RP5.
Otherwise, I might have wanted the Saturn color. I liked the buttons on that

[waxen jolt]

199 vs 219 is such a hard sell

[plush silo]

I don't understand how 4:3 screen, A10 and 6gb ram translates to only $20 less 🗿

[fathom geyser]

Yeah I would’ve also gone for it had it also not been for the glass front and the price tag

[random tulip]

Yeah. I think if you like you're RP5 flip is probably a safe skip. Or sell your RP5 and get this instead

[waxen jolt]

the rp5 was also 6gb at 219 lol the prices were out before the change iirc

[random tulip]

I do think the sticks will be comfier then the rp5

[jolly kayak]

Are both D1100 and the snapdragon going to have OLED screens?

[waxen jolt]

so it's really just the smaller screen

[wintry rock]

Got my RP Mini used, so the pricing differential was a little better.

[plush silo]

Yes sir

[limpid ledge]

Good thing ail express price justify rp mini better

[jolly kayak]

Well, that makes it a bit harder to decide if the money saved will be worth it

[limpid ledge]

But rp5 on ail express price is like heaven and I don't know if I can get the clamshell at all

[plush silo]

I'm just glad they're not cheaping out on the screen for the cheaper Flip 2 model given it's likely the one I'll get

[limpid ledge]

I will wait first

[random tulip]

Yeah. The flip 2 will eventually be RP5 available

[wintry rock]

Pricing I assume has NOT been announced, right?

[random tulip]

Nope

[limpid ledge]

Right

[limpid ledge]

That one I'm happy that they did that

[plush silo]

Some guy said we'd "get prices today", but I would take that with a grain of salt.
They got the colors and specs being revealed Wednesday right, but anyone can guess something right x3

[fathom geyser]

First OLED clamshell

[wintry rock]

Probably didn't make sense to source a separate screen and have to basically reengineer the shell for it.

[random tulip]

Yeah. I don't think the price point for phone sized oleds and ips are all that different these days

[plush silo]

If we get pre-order dates and prices today, likely will be a lot later today? But seems a bit weird to do it at a different time than the past two announcements/reveals

[random tulip]

When buying in bulk at least

[plush silo]

So I'm just gonna assume we're not getting prices or dates today

[random tulip]

Most screen makers have retooled for OLED at this point

[limpid ledge]

Oled become a standard nowadays

[coral valley]

Damn I missed a lot

[random tulip]

It's mostly just wild speculation. You're good

And ds talk

[swift hamlet]

They gonna release the price today or what

[random tulip]

So. The usual 😆

[coral valley]

Soon

[wintry rock]

Retroid ... give us that Price, Price, Baby:

[limpid ledge]

Why everyone saying today they aren't kendrick lamar

[coral valley]

It's gotta be soon

Though the rp flip 2 specs were released early in the day, so at this point I'm not sure we're getting an announcement

[wintry rock]

[coral valley]

Maybe this weekend

[tacit latch]

pack it up boys, nothing to see here till next week

[sacred kindle]

Hey at least you were 50% rigbt

[mint bone]

quick question, not sure already mentioned

Will it be touch screen???

[sweet shuttle]

Same screen as RP5 so yes

[tacit latch]

as long as you fondle it admiringly

[sweet rune]

FYI: There's a Zu press conference at 1pm EST to address some of the rumors and outright LIES about the RPF2

[coral valley]

Lies?

[copper burrow]

oh thisll be fun

[sacred kindle]

😳

[floral pebble]

$275 for the sd865??

[scenic mortar]

https://youtu.be/131q_CLeero

[coral valley]

Retroid would have to be insane to price it at 275 for the 865

[plush silo]

Yeah, I feel those price estimates are too high.
Definitely wouldn't buy it at those prices

[versed vigil]

Don’t worry, it’s just Zu being Zu.

[stray dagger]

if it's more than $229 they can keep it

[plush silo]

Those dubious price estimates aside, not a bad video at all.
Whichever kid won that Ice Blue RP4 at the raffle got themselves something nice :p

[copper burrow]

i feel its going to be more than that, happy and hoping to be proven wrong tho

[plush silo]

$249 for SD865 and $199 for D110 are the highest I'd be willing to buy at (albeit a bit reluctantly)

[ocean cedar]

$199 for D1100 is kinda a bargain for what it can play.

i might even be more inclined to go for that model

as I already have an rp5

[plush silo]

That's true.
In fact, isn't that what the RP4 Pro was priced at initially?

[ocean cedar]

yep

[tacit latch]

very highly likely this will be a $249 - $199 affair like Joel says IMO

anything higher wouldn't make much sense

[plush silo]

Agreed

[rigid thicket]

The SD865 being higher than $249 wouldn't mak- yeah, ahaha.

[tacit latch]

maybe $239 at best if Retroid is feeling generous

[floral pebble]

Even $250 gets is getting mighty close to Odin 2 money

[rigid thicket]

I can see shooting high at $249 and pre-order discount down to $239 or $229 if they're feeling really nice.

[stray dagger]

with shipping and shit I'm totally out at $249 tbh, $229 would already be 10 bucks more than the RP5, $239 would be pushing it and the highest where I would still be willing to grab one

[tacit latch]

yeah, but it's not an either/or, this is another form factor that you can't get with the Odin 2

[stray dagger]

unfortunately I believe $249 could be quite likely, given the D1100 model

"settle for the old SoC, if you aren't willing to cash out that much, lol"

[plush silo]

I consider Odin 2 to be its own category of handheld where it's more of a stay at-home/couch handheld

[tacit latch]

it might well be that the sole reason the D1100 model exists is to anchor the price of the other one so it doesn't look as bad

[stray dagger]

I mean, the primary reason would still be getting rid of the left over D1100 stock

[floral pebble]

Which they're struggling to move at $175

[stray dagger]

but yeah, that model existing might give them funny ideas on the SD865 pricing

[plush silo]

$239 at most would be ideal, but price has been discussed so much here at this point. x)
We'll find out sooner or later. Hopefully by next week

[stray dagger]

honestly $189/$229 would be ideal

at that price I would even consider grabbing the D1100 alongside the SD865, just because

[ocean cedar]

thhey might do a buy both deal like the mini/rp5 lol

[tacit latch]

you have some weird ass priorities if you wouldn't buy it for $249 but would be happy to fork the $189+$229 for the two models

[stray dagger]

that would be funky, but then I would be there contemplating which model will be black and which will be GCN

[silent canopy]

Two is more than One

[ocean cedar]

shipping for hawaii is $45 for 1 or $50 for 2

so the price is gonna be a hard sell

even splitting it with russ

[stray dagger]

$189 would be relatively nice value for the D1100 model (not as good as the BF deal on the RP4 pro for $150 but still)

also only paying shipping once for two

[tacit latch]

well you are not wrong

anyway, back to the cave till next week

[plush silo]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-gif-5009183242636211246

[sweet rune]

they don't know about the universal $50 clamshelling fee...

[stray dagger]

$269 would be a big nope

[ocean cedar]

$269 + $45 shipping = hahahahahahaha no

[sweet rune]

I'll let Lenny know

Lenny ReTroid is in charge of the pricing

[ocean cedar]

Idk if you’re serious but can you ask retroid why they only do dhl to Hawaii but will do 4px on AliExpress to Hawaii ?

[stray dagger]

honestly with how horrid the EUR/USD exchange rate has gotten, $229+$18 shipping would be the only price where I could still justify it without feeling that it's not worth the money

[warped leaf]

i expect 219 and 249

[wary briar]

I dunno when but maybe it's the Ayn odin2 and retroid 3+ but I'm very anti transparent shells now. I think it might be feeling in hand when I hold it.....def a black or US snes

For me

[versed vigil]

The fee is only $10, not $50.

[versed vigil]

Even with Anbernic, they only made it like $5-$10 more than the 35XX Plus.

[wary briar]

I have the ice blue rp3+ (I think) and the transparent blue odin2 pro. But I never find myself playing it for long. On the contra I play on my odin2 base the most

[versed vigil]

Wait…Oh don’t you dare will the $10 clamshell fee into being $50.

[wary briar]

I shall will $100 into it

https://tenor.com/view/brain-explode-fi-fidonia-sheldon-angry-gif-16281669

[versed vigil]

For what purpose?

[wary briar]

Just to mess with people

[stray dagger]

I demand $189/$229 so I'm inclined to grab two

[coral valley]

Suddenly a 280 dual screen isn't looking so crazy 🤣

[versed vigil]

…Damnit, I can’t fault you for that reasoning.

[wary briar]

Sometimes it's fun to do

As long as no one gets hurt

[versed vigil]

Well no, it’s plus $50, so if the Flip 2 was actually $275 for some reason, then it would just be $325 with dual screen.

[wary briar]

Also Im willing it into the transparent, gc and black colours only

So more people buy the snes version

[coral valley]

I think a dual screen would be around 300 realistically

Rnd costs go crazy

[wary briar]

Why need dual screen

[versed vigil]

Well yeah, same way on how the Flip 2 would be at most like $240 realistically.

[coral valley]

I'm going to hold myself back from answering that

[wary briar]

For 2 consoles?

Ds and 3ds?

Or just game + wiki or yt on the bottom for walkthrough

[versed vigil]

RnD costs for modifying a clamshell design that already exists and just needs adjustments to be better would be expected to cost less than RnD costs to make a brand new Clamshell design.

[onyx hazel]

Ninterpol won't let it happen

[coral valley]

Yeah that's why I don't think it's gonna be higher than 250

[onyx hazel]

according to all the frothing at the mouth fanbois

[coral valley]

They'd be really pushing it if they priced it like that

[versed vigil]

Then we’re in agreement on that.

[coral valley]

Not sure how much I buy into that reasoning tbh. The ayaneo literally has ds in the name

Regardless I can understand why Retroid is hesitant

[onyx hazel]

Yeah, exactly

fuck nintendo

[versed vigil]

You mean the Retroid moderators?

[onyx hazel]

there is always a way around

Yeah, basically

I had to leave the server

[versed vigil]

Because you were being aggressively argumentative and accusing everyone in there of being Nintendo bootlickers.

[swift hamlet]

So what were the lies

[coral valley]

Idk

[onyx hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[coral valley]

The nitrrx post maybe?

[onyx hazel]

when suddenly everybody is an expert on patent law, international supply chain, international copyrights (which don't exist, btw), it's exhausting

[versed vigil]

I would expect literally any company to be more invested in copyrights than the average discord users.

[swift hamlet]

What if the snapdragon is priced at $299 😨

[coral valley]

Not really what he's saying I don't think

[uncut crescent]

Ayaneo proved otherwise and tbh, it's less about "Nintendo bad" and more an issue with software on the android side of things

[versed vigil]

I know that’s not what he’s saying in here, I’m commenting on what he was saying in the Retroid discord before he left (ie, wasn’t even banned, unlike Pope was from here).

[onyx hazel]

yeah, that was sarcasm 🙂

[swift hamlet]

Who tf is pope

[versed vigil]

Hell, I’m still pretty sure the reason the OneXPlayer is ending up with the screen folding backwards is to avoid whatever patent exists.

[coral valley]

Thats possible yeah

[versed vigil]

There’s literally no other logical reason for the design than “we really wanted a dual screen, but the patent stops us from doing it in a clamshell…but maybe?”

[coral valley]

Though it also seems like they kind of botched their original idea to have three separate modes, and now they just reduced to it two because it's easier

[onyx hazel]

This is exactly the thing

do Chinese companies care what patents exist?

and if Nintendo tried to go after a Chinese company legally, what would happen to the company in China?

Nothing

the answer is nothing

[versed vigil]

Considering the fact almost all these companies have already removed Mario games from their pre-loaded sd cards? I don’t know, maybe they just don’t like plumbers?

[coral valley]

I mean they probably do somewhat, didn't Anbernic take down that auto downloader function

I imagine if they have any plans of selling in western retail, they probably have to be a little more strict about copyright

[onyx hazel]

I think that's true, for sure

[random tulip]

Yeah. They def have more leverage than US companies

Especially now

[onyx hazel]

the Ayaneo DS thing is proof that where there's a will, there's a way

[white prism]

Is it out yet

[onyx hazel]

They're refunding some of the people who preordered/allowing them to transfer their order to another device

but it sounds like it didn't go well, in any case

[coral valley]

Flip 2 is in the works apparently, and I don't mean this one

[onyx hazel]

oh wow

[coral valley]

Hopefully they actually follow through with it

[random tulip]

I imagine they'll simplify it

[coral valley]

An arm based version would make more sense ngl

[versed vigil]

Anyone know if they’re canceling orders for both sku’s or just orders for one of them?

[coral valley]

A snapdragon x plus/elite ayaneo flip ds

[versed vigil]

Like seriously though, was it just KB units? Was it just DS units? Was it both?

Was it neither of them, but actually a specific chipset itself that is getting canceled?

[coral valley]

For a while they didn't have the option to buy the flip ds and just offered the kb on their store and igg

[versed vigil]

Huh, I wonder what the reason could be?

[random tulip]

They probably just had leftover stock of that model

And used the listings to judge demand

And then we're like, nah. Not enough

[coral valley]

Yeah, instead we got the pocket dmg

Man I hate that thing

[random tulip]

I like it. I just won't pay that much

[coral valley]

It's a cool novelty but I would never want to play any demanding games on it

[versed vigil]

Given this would literally be the first time AYANEO has canceled something like this, and despite the fact the EVO outright has less backers and support but is still getting shipped properly, I’m still curious on if they sent any DS units before they made KB the only available option.

[random tulip]

I mean there's some on eBay. Could just be protos I guess

[coral valley]

They might just be making another version with strix point

[random tulip]

I just think they did one round and was like fuck it

Plus isn't Ayaneo notorious for just cancelling stuff

[versed vigil]

…Welp, I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see if the AYANEO Flip 2 has a DS option to estimate whether or not Nintendo reared their vindictive ugly head towards them.

[coral valley]

Idk, never seemed to be a lot of demand for the flip kb, the gpd win mini seems to have it beat

[versed vigil]

Because to be fully fair, it could also have just been them having a hard time with sourcing that 3:2 screen for both Flip’s and Micro’s. (Although the Classic existing kind of nixes that).

[versed vigil]

Exactly, most of the excitement was for DS because it was the literal only Dual Screen on the market.

Meaning if the Flip 2 ends up being a single screen Android handheld, or literally just a Flip KB but newer…

[coral valley]

Doa

Basically a gpd win mini from a less trustworthy company

Not that gpd is a saint either

[versed vigil]

Yup, even the Android single screen wouldn’t do better than the Retroid Flip 2, and it would be outright doa if Ayn announces a clamshell Odin 2 before it could start pre-orders and claimed all the “interested in more power than Flip 2” buyers.

[versed vigil]

In other words, unless it is a coincidence and they are able to do a dual screen, they’re pretty much screwed regardless.

[autumn wren]

Right now I'm debating on whether I want to get one of these since I do have an odin 2 already.

[remote basin]

you probably don't need one

one of your two handhelds would just end up collecting dust

[autumn wren]

looks at his odin 1, and a bunch of random anbrnics....

[versed vigil]

Even if I don’t like the LCD model, I wouldn’t recommend getting something else if you already have an Odin 2. The true objective best handheld is the one you already have, anything else is purely your own subjective preferences.

[autumn wren]

Yeah, I use my odin 2 for my high end stuff (through ps2, not worrying about switch) and a steam deck if I want to do ps3. I have a rg40xxv for low end vanilla gaming, and then use a retroid pocket 2s for randomizer seeds.

[remote basin]

sounds like you're all set as is

[versed vigil]

Then, to be fully mask-off, the only thing I can recommend is to decide for yourself if you really want another handheld or not, because none of us are gonna know what you prefer and we can’t read your mind to see if you’re satisfied with what you have.

If you do think you want to get the Flip 2 instead of the Odin 2, if you thought it through and think you’ll get more usage out of it, then go ahead.

If you’re happy with what you have, and you know you likely don’t actually need it and it’s just the “new thing”, then you don’t need anything else.

[coral valley]

The only benefits of the flip 2 over the odin 2 would be oled and pocketability

So if that's not important, then yeah probably should just keep using the odin 2

[autumn wren]

Yeah, I think I am set until something small comes up that can do ps3. Not wasting time waiting for that

[coral valley]

That might be the odin 2 depending on how rocknix ends up

[remote basin]

I have a steam deck and a couple of RG3*xx devices, they're good enough for anything I'd need

[versed vigil]

Or even if that RPCS3droid the Sudachi dev is making ends up being available.

[coral valley]

That too, though I feel like rocknix might arrive faster

[versed vigil]

Oh agreed on that, I’m just adding that for anyone reading this that’s only interested in Android.

[coral valley]

Agreed, it's going to provide a lot of options

[echo lynx]

Mhm less black bars thanks to multiple screens providing 2 options for where to play

Gameboy on bottom 4:3 and Gameboy advance on top 16:9

[humble wharf]

This is still the 16 bit but lighting is stronger on the back so it looks lighter

[versed vigil]

Wouldn’t the top screen have less black bars since 3:2 is wider and would be able to use the full top-bottom height?

[echo lynx]

Ya so game boy advance on top

I said that

[versed vigil]

Nevermind, I guess I’ve been using the SP overlay too much and forgot about the bars being much smaller when the displayed game is properly centered.

[versed vigil]

Ah, must have misread that. Man, I’m 2 for 2 on mistakes in a row.

[jagged blade]

no one knows

[echo lynx]

Pope Le?

Le something?

He was around a while ago

Seemed knowledgeable

What happened?

[versed vigil]

Pope Kehoe.

[echo lynx]

I was afraid to say hoe because the French are here

[echo lynx]

What happened?

[versed vigil]

We still don’t even know.

[versed vigil]

Literal only new info i know about is what Blob told me, that apparently he was being snarky with them and they banned him
just like that.

[echo lynx]

Be kind

[sage oriole]

Damn. I liked pope

[versed vigil]

That’s the weird part, we have people in here who have said way worse than just “snarky comments” that are still around while he got kicked with 1 strike alone from what I can tell, and I literally can’t even find anything when searching comments that would be bad enough to count.

[echo lynx]

Probably deleted

[versed vigil]

That’s the other part, there is something that would count as snarky that is still up, but it outright doesn’t seem anywhere bad enough for anything instant, and Stubbs even responded to it in a legit casual way. Plus in general, I’m not sure I even buy it being a deleted comment because Ban didn’t know what it was either, and he has access to the logs.

[severe ridge]

popes in retroid and joeys server if anyone wants to hang with pope

we have fun there

personally im expecting the snap dragon flip to be 220 at least
and i bet the d1100 is 180 or cheaper

[ocean cedar]

180 for a d1100 flip would be a homerun i think

pocketable PS2 fr

and oled.

[severe ridge]

i mean, the snapdragon is better for ps2 in nearly every instance

plus future compatibility

[ocean cedar]

yeah but its not like the d1100 is a slouch at it

better than the t820

[severe ridge]

yep, and for a nice enough price drop, d1100 gets the job done

if we hit 150 id say get the d1100 over the SD actually

but i dont think the cost of the oled will allow for that

[swift hamlet]

Can the d1100 run GC

[ocean cedar]

yes

[severe ridge]

all day

either chip can

[swift hamlet]

F yeah

[ocean cedar]

d1100 runs some switch

[swift hamlet]

Well I assumed the SD could

[severe ridge]

get the snapdragon for winlator and switch

otherwise it doesnt really matter

but like i said above

[swift hamlet]

Good to know

[severe ridge]

the snapdragon will benefit from future compatibility for emulator updates

[ocean cedar]

i might go for the d1100 if the price is significantly lower

[severe ridge]

on all fronts

[ocean cedar]

since i already have an rp mini and rp5

... OR, the flip replaces both

[severe ridge]

i plan to sell my rp5, my portal is on the way and i prefer the mini

def want a flip tho, but im waiting for reviews and the reveal of that vertical too

no preorders for me

this time

[swift hamlet]

Yeah I want to see the vertical

[wooden phoenix]

Always, with retroid, having patience and letting the first wave go out. I'd love to pre-order but their last like...4 releases at least showed us patience is a virtue worth exercising

[fossil timber]

For sure waiting is the way to go.

[formal latch]

I'm gonna be honest, I'm generally one of those people who's learned the lesson the hard way not to preorder or buy in early, but I'm really feeling the pull on this one, since it's the thing I've wanted for awhile

[wooden phoenix]

I went from definitely pre-ordering, to nah I know how that plays out, to maybe I'll buy it used from marketplace. Trying to ignore the FOMO thing that happens. I have plenty of devices already that I don't have time to touch. And the colors didn't grab me. The single transparent one for me is a hard pass and the other colors are boring. At this point in my hording I care more about the color it comes in than what it can play lol

[desert canyon]

same...but i'm dumb so will preorder anyway

[fossil timber]

I am not super into collecting personally, I am trying to sell a laptop and the last of my extra handhelds as evidence, but I am considering buying that blue because I am a sucker for transparent blue. Though if I do buy one it will likely be from the marketplace, and only after I sell my odin 2 mini

Similar results from a different place

[wooden phoenix]

I feel you there. I've trimmed down a lot. Although I still have more than I can use. I should trim down more but I can always think of stupid reasons that seem to make sense on why I need something else

Honestly I only use my vita, o2mini and when I want to use something I don't care if it gets trashed I take my 40H with me. So my a30, rgb20 pro, flip 1, etc etc etc all sit with no use

[fossil timber]

I use my o2mini a fair bit, same with my vita and psp, I carry a 34xx with me about everywhere I go, and then have a 40xxv which lives on my nightstand... I suppose I do have quite a few devices, but my thing is that I do legit use them, I am playing captain toad treasure tracker on my 3ds at work durng breaks, and if I get a flip 2 that means it has to muscle out another device because I dont like just collecting. My o2mini is a ps2, gamecube, N64, Dreamcast and Saturn machie so it would probably get the boot in favor of the flip 2

[noble canyon]

For pre-ordering retroid stuff, i tend to do it anyways just because waiting for shipping if you dont pre-order tends to take forever but I'm usually pretty comfortable with opening up devices if something's wrong

with anbernic there's usually a 1 month return policy on aliexpress and amazon and retroid has a 2 week return policy and I'm pretty sure if there's a defect that happens like a cracked hinge they tend to let you return it regardless of the window iirc

but the return process can be pretty annoying

[swift hamlet]

This is my first retro handheld so best believe imma pre order dat shit

[wary briar]

hey you back

and what

pope is gone?

[tacit latch]

it was deleted

I saw it disappear when it happened

[left turret]

rp flip 2 is damn good to be someone first retro handheld

[versed vigil]

Ok yeah, that changes things then. Do you think you could DM what it was, if you can’t share it here?

I really cannot understate the fact I’m currently just confused on what happened.

[severe ridge]

yall will do anything but message pope to ask lol

[echo lynx]

Please add me to that gc

Miss Pope running discussion in this channel

[random tulip]

Haha. Weve come a long way. If I had rp5 or flip 2 from the start I wouldn't have bought about 50 crazy questionable devices

[wintry rock]

Sure you would ... they'd just be 50 crazy questionable but more powerful devices instead.

[random tulip]

I say as im watching the M23 now... Lol

Eh. You get to a point where cool gimmicks out weight straight power

I have a PS5 and switch. But I'll play the shit out of some GBA and use a weird Gameboy camera device. Lol

[echo lynx]

The PS5 was such a missed opportunity

It could've emulated ps3

[wintry rock]

Sure ... but if you start with something decent, the straight up ewaste tier devices look less attractive.

[random tulip]

Eh I skipped 4 so I was happy

[echo lynx]

I skipped console entirely

I'll see it when it's history and the exclusives are marked

Unless it's multiplayer exclusives

[random tulip]

Haha true. My first ewaste was a miyoo mini tho. And I still use it. Heh

[echo lynx]

Mini isnt really ewaste

[wintry rock]

Backwards compatibility to a point is a loser for console manufacturers. At some point they want you to buy new games.

[random tulip]

Oh. I know. That's the funny part. I've been happy with most

I will never buy an android device without touch again tho

[wintry rock]

Touchscreen OS with no touch is a recipe for pain.

[wary briar]

the real e waste

is this device

[random tulip]

Lol. 2ScreenGang!

[echo lynx]

Rah minizero28

[echo lynx]

Raaaaaaaaah super SP!!!!!!!!!

[random tulip]

I'm gonna unload mine soon. I just can't. Haha

I mean great hardware

But yeah. With an RP5 this is less appealing than I thought it'd be. Now Retroid vertical. Hmmm. If it has something crazy like 6 buttons I'll be throwing cash

[stiff depot]

I could have worded it better, and I didn't go into a bunch of detail in the video, but my points really come down to this:

• Dual screen Android is certainly possible but requires a custom build of Android that factors in both screens, which is increased development work for a small programming team like Retroid (or whomever they contract with) and lots of pain points and variables that could go wrong.
• It requires a lot of thought into its implementation for non-dual-screen tasks. I have a Surface 2 Duo and there are a surprising amount of hoops to jump through to simply navigate its screen setup for all of the potential apps you can use. They had to develop specific two-screen versions of certain apps for the phone itself, to work around its hiccups.
• I am concerned about how this kind of setup will complicate the general user experience for everything that isn't a two-screen emulated system. Can you customize the launch profile for each app, drag from one screen to the next? Even using the AYANEO Flip DS was a monumental pain to configure for a layperson, and that was in Windows which has excellent two-screen support.
• Citra and DraStic (and others) CAN be configured for a two-screen setup, but it's a janky process. For DraStic you have to make a custom layout and stretch the single screen across both screens, and it mostly works because the screens are the same size, but it's a hassle to set up and is easy to break.
• The DS and 3DS apps we have available are legally gray due to Nintendo takedowns, developers removing them from official channels, or are feature bereft due to development time. It would require Retroid to tell people that in order to play those systems they would have to find the apps on their own, or put themselves in a quagmire by hosting and pre-loading closed-source, discontinued, or legally seized apps on their device.

Like I mentioned in the video, I WANT a two-screen emulation device! But I think the cards are stacked against Retroid at this time, and it's not as easy as "throw a second screen on it, Android will take care of the rest".

[tawdry dove]

for the love of god mods need to pin this so we dont need to have this discussion every two weeks

[wooden phoenix]

Thank you Russ. And Stubbs! 🍻🍻🍻

[blazing burrow]

Sorry for the delay, Zu had me tied up because I was asking him too many questions about the Flip 2

I have escaped

Do not tell him

[echo lynx]

Hey, I know this one!

Drastic isn't janky if the top screen is configured as an external screen

But imo that's the way they should do it

One screen per app

Nothing special

[echo lynx]

L'île there's no stretching or anything

Zero jank

I wonder if android supports external touch screens

ik cemu gets closed when i switch screens with dex

but dolphin doesnt

[versed vigil]

I just want to know the info because I’m still confused by what happened, and now I’m finding out that a message was deleted.

The logic I (and I imagine at least some of the others) have is that if they do a second screen on a device, it’ll drive the price up to a degree that we wouldn’t want to pay, and we’d hate it if the only reason it was expensive is because of the second screen.

Oh shit, wait I thought that was a new comment when Russ replied to it, I didn’t know it was that old.

[echo lynx]

but it'd be reaaaly nice if dolphin had dual screen support

like 3ds virtual console

imagine

mhm

[versed vigil]

I actually am really sorry about that.

[severe ridge]

its only a day ago, its fine, not like its a month ago or longer

[versed vigil]

I mean sure, but regardless I don’t like dragging back old discussions or arguments that I was literally a part of.

[tacit latch]

I'm paraphrasing here but he was just basically making fun of Stubbs for taking Retroid at their word when they said they had "no plans", only to reveal the device a week later

[versed vigil]

…That wasn’t deleted.

[tacit latch]

there was a meme he posted that was iirc

but in any case, like garathnor said, just ask him directly, he hangs out in other discords

[versed vigil]

Nope. Still there.

[severe ridge]

the meme is still there #1336037750889250960 message

[versed vigil]

I mean when you said you saw a comment get deleted, you made me think it was the kind of thing that would deserve to get deleted.

[tacit latch]

it wasn't, I didn't think much of it when it happened

[severe ridge]

cuz it wasnt that mean, out of things pope had said before, or in comparison to other people either

[versed vigil]

Exactly. And yeah, I probably should’ve talked to Pope beforehand. I just wanted to know beforehand what was going on since I didn’t even remember seeing anything about a deleted comment. Honestly, should’ve thought of the comment not actually being deleted in the first place.

[versed vigil]

See that and even Stubb’s actual reactions to them in the discord are the exact reason I’m confused by what’s happening.

[versed vigil]

Like, this isn’t unusual in the slightest, even if you swapped Pope out with anyone else in here.

[echo lynx]

What if it was just a bunch of minor stuff together

[versed vigil]

There are several people here that would be far more deserving of getting banned before Pope if that was the actual drawn line in the sand, even if we were to combine all his little annoying moments together.

[severe ridge]

generally you get warnings

i cant wait for @coral valley s post lol, must be a book and a half

[coral valley]

I can completely understand that, I'm under no illusion that dual screen android devices would be perfectly polished, and so I get why it might not be an appealing option to a lot of people, especially to a smaller company like Retroid. As a reviewer, I suppose you probably wouldn't want to unintentionally mislead people into thinking dual screen android is in a better state than it is, so taking a more black and white stance makes sense. With all of that being said, I'm of the personal belief that the first iteration of any new type of product will have to somewhat suck in the beginning if they're going to get better, so I wouldn't mind a janky initial experience if it means improvements will be made.

[echo lynx]

It was a book

[coral valley]

Okay, no more dual screen discussion from me

This is taking up too much time

[echo lynx]

Betrayal!!!!!

[severe ridge]

arguing on the internt is an age old pasttiime

sometimes i miss the flame wars of the early 2000s

[echo lynx]

just hanging around rumor mill gets me my daily argument

i can feel myself improving in confusion management everyday

[versed vigil]

No, it’s fine if we just do it in a more speculative way, the main issue with the discussion was legit just the argument between “the Flip should’ve had a second screen vs the flip having a second screen would be stupid”.

And before you ask, no I will be including my side as well in this, I absolutely will acknowledge that I, as well as a good number of other people, were being too argumentative about it as well as others. Russ did it in the exact manner we all should have.

[echo lynx]

so i found messages on the server suggestions right round when he was banned

#837535791684780062 message

the notes system seems to have done him in

[coral valley]

Yeah I mean I never really expected the Flip 2 to actually have dual screen, but I probably got a little carried away

[echo lynx]

i think theres two drastically different ways of implementing dual screen

[coral valley]

DRASTICally you say?

[versed vigil]

Again, that does not explain how he was the one banned and not other people here (that I will not name because I refuse to do that kind of “likely to cause a bandwagon” thing).

[echo lynx]

Multiple minor things vs 2-3 big things ig

[echo lynx]

That was not intentional

[versed vigil]

Like, Zero had the best reasoning for how this stuff should be handled, in the fact that it should be publicly available (even if they can’t name them) if asked to at least let other people know what not to do, if something is bad enough to deserve it with no actually proper warning beyond “we have a notes system”.

[severe ridge]

if only there was a simple solution to this all

[versed vigil]

Oh, I already went over to dm him and just got back.

Like I think I missed your comment by literal seconds.

[left turret]

rip my gen z dream machine 😔

[opaque harbor]

Do we think the plastic shells will hold up ?

[random tulip]

If it's got the same plastic as the RP5, it'll be solid

[opaque harbor]

The retroid pocket 5 didn't have a clear shell did it?

[ocean cedar]

There are clear backplates now

DIY

[stiff depot]

I think that’s totally fair. My guess is that a dual screen device would sell really well even with jank, which would inspire the company who makes it to keep iterating on it. AYANEO had said they plan on making another Flip handheld PC, so it must have met or exceeded their expectations!

[ocean cedar]

@stiff depot got any predictions on pricing?

[severe ridge]

He did in his video

[severe ridge]

In general the plastic will hold up
Most of the retro handhelds in this hobby are 3-5 years old
So we know it should at least be that long
Which is "enough" because by then we will have something better

[tacit gorge]

pope got banned from rh?

[hybrid viper]

Probably yeah, says I have six mutual servers with him and this isn't one of them. If he wasn't banned he definitely would be here

But these guys kicked out Joey so it's not really unexpected

[copper burrow]

I like Joey a fair bit but he is a bit of a knob 😄

[sweet shuttle]

Englishman spotted

Unless that's also Aussie slang but idk

[copper burrow]

I am indeed english 😄

[scenic relic]

I never realized joey was kicked, what he do?

[sweet shuttle]

For being Joey ig

I didn't actually see what happened, but outside of reviewing handhelds, the guy isn't exactly known for being very pleasant

[limpid ledge]

I'm not saying it's not worse but good thing

It's like taki

[sweet shuttle]

Idk what the deal with Taki is aside from his questionable naming decisions

[limpid ledge]

Taki is like taki that's best one to describe him

Mr OG of Retro Scenes

[open sonnet]

Taki invented retro handhelds and founded Nintendo.

[limpid ledge]

he love the scenes no doubt but the beef with anbernic especially retroid I think it causes distances retro scenes and him

Even he said that he won't review handhelds that doesn't interesting him and I know when he said that I knew he would going to do his own things

[long locust]

About the dual screen thing, I definitely understand that they don’t put one. But didn’t they have room enough to put 6 buttons ?

[sweet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-bitch-face-straight-face-no-comment-gif-9516757

[long lichen]

Six buttons would have clinched it for me.

[onyx hazel]

Taki is among the most insufferable personalities on the whole internet

[naive hollow]

What up flip 2 nerds

[naive hollow]

Straight from gods lips

[wide monolith]

But that switch lite oled screen is noice

[onyx hazel]

Just up early talkin’ shit, you know

Yeah, his mister raspberry pi is nice too

He’s the whole reason why Retroid even exists though, so I shouldn’t dunk on him too hard

[jolly kayak]

I find it funny to watch random internet folk make fun of someone's really cool accomplishment, even if that person's personality or behavior is somewhat prideful/high-horse

[idle shuttle]

Yeah I got one, I love mine

[coral valley]

I think it's more about the way he phrased it tbh, could've just said he collaborated with retroid

Though ragging on him for a video he made like 2 years ago is lowkey weird

[tawdry dove]

His videos/attitude has honestly shifted quite alot in the time since

its almost like people can mature or something but nah

[echo lynx]

I feel like as long as they configure the top screen as external and use it like a dex sort of thing it should be extremely non janky

[echo lynx]

I mean they literally only said stuff about personality

No ragging was done on accomplishments to any extent

It wasn't achievements related at all

[coral valley]

I'm just talking about the rp3+ video

[limpid ledge]

Rp3 nah retroid deserve that backlash that time