Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[jolly kayak]

Yall see the video ?

They really didn't tell us what screen it's running

Breh

Ope my b

Someone posted :p

[plush silo]

It says it in the video.
It’s OLED

[waxen jolt]

seems to be 16:9 so it's probably the same as the rp5

[jolly kayak]

Ohhhh I see now. The words blended in with the graphic on screen for me

I love how CHONKY IT IS

Thank you retroid

[plush silo]

I like me some chonky

[jolly kayak]

Rounded "odin 2" loookin ah devices begone

[left turret]

i love my chonky boy 406v

[sweet shuttle]

I definitely don't mind some chonk, although it's probably gonna be like 30mm thick at least

Definitely a good bit thicker than the 3DS XL

[jolly kayak]

All good

[plush silo]

Can't wait to upgrade from this to the Flip 2

[jolly kayak]

There's a high chance I will pre-order. I know MagicX has some hot stuff cookin buuuuut, I like retroid's d-pads more and usually their color options too

[left turret]

That's a really good upgrade

[topaz jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEgqhkwfHQU

[sweet shuttle]

Retroid's D-pads are amazing

Idk why other companies don't just copy it lol

[warped leaf]

because not everyone likes the vita style

i don't

[plush silo]

AYN uses similar ones, don't they?
I forget if people have said they're similar/the same or not

[warped leaf]

they are the same more or less

[topaz jasper]

more of a fan of anbernic dpads?

[warped leaf]

not any in particular, it's just the visa style is too unique

[sweet shuttle]

I just figure it's out of nostalgia tbh

Since the Vita really isn't retro

[warped leaf]

i like either rubber membrane or soft clicky

[sweet shuttle]

Whereas SNES has a good D-pad and plenty of people have played on it

[warped leaf]

vita is a weird inbetween that i don't like

it's okay, i just don't find it better than the others like most people do

[weak fulcrum]

Reminds me of how the prototype anbernic 35xxsps had this ugly ass logo on them that they took off before they shipped

[jolly kayak]

I don't like playstation but I like the clicking of retroid d pads. They feels almost like a New 3ds d pad

I wish they'd do the sticks in the middle but oh well

[weak fulcrum]

It's a cute idea
the angle with a subtle r
but I really hope it's not on retail

[left turret]

406h (sega saturn) and 406v (snes dpad) are my fav dpad in all retro handhelds

[sweet shuttle]

I know this is heresy, but the XU-10 had my favourite D-pad lmao

[sage moat]

I always wanted a GPD XD+ but it always seemed a little underpowered with the right chipset and ditching the branding on the front it would be an elite handheld

[sage moat]

Looks like a ps1 dpad not bad I guess

[sweet shuttle]

People fucking hated it, which is why it's the only MagicX device to have that D-pad

[white prism]

Sd856?

[strange ivy]

It’s called the Flip 2. Not RP5 Flip. Take that as you will about speculating about specs

[versed vigil]

Didn’t literally everyone who actually got one say it’s the best feeling d-pad/face buttons they’ve gotten in any budget handheld at the time?

[versed vigil]

The original Flip was called the RP Flip, not the RP3+ Flip. Take that as you will on what’s likely gonna happen since anything else would just be wasting money on new chips (which is the exact reason they only used SD865 for both the Mini and the 5, since the RP4 situation resulted in them wasting a ton of money on the D900).

[strange ivy]

I am of the firm stance they made a mistake not naming the devices to those standard variant. I.e. the original Flip should’ve been called RP3+ Flip, and the Mini should’ve been called the RP5 Mini

[versed vigil]

Doesn’t really change the fact that it’s likely gonna be the SD865.

[fluid stone]

It looks thicc

[sweet shuttle]

Among reviewers, yeah, but the shape of it turned people away from it, and a lot of people talked shit without even using the damn thing lol

[strange ivy]

I don’t doubt that. Just fun speculating until the actual announcement happen.

[scenic mortar]

1 vertical, 2 smol and 3 medium sized were different form factor designs. Made sense to call the flip something else as that was a different form factor again.

Retroid naming hasn't really made sense since then

[versed vigil]

So basically all those people were idiots with an irrational hatred for Playstation D-Pads, since they automatically assumed that it would be bad solely because it was one.

[uncut knoll]

What could be the estimated price for the Flip 2? 230 or 250?

[versed vigil]

Not because of reviewers saying it’s bad (they in fact said the opposite), not because actual buyers said it’s bad (they also actually said the opposite), it was solely because it was a PlayStation D-Pad.

[strange ivy]

$500 for the platinum version. $1200 for the gold one.

[severe steppe]

865 I'm guessing

[versed vigil]

I’m estimating $230-$235 at most since that was the original price increase between the RP3+ and RP Flip 1.

[mystic void]

What's been up with these videos being stupid extra lmao, makes it a bit goofy considering it's a retro emulation handheld

[strange ivy]

Trends

Thank Ayaneo

[versed vigil]

What do you mean? Don’t you love your Anbernic Country Music?

[uncut knoll]

The price range it wasn't that far?

Only 20 dollars, i guess

[mystic void]

I still don't understand what they were thinking on that one lol

[versed vigil]

Nope, it was only like $10-$15 more for the Flip 1 versus the RP3+.

[uncut knoll]

Oh, nice

[left turret]

pretty neat

[limber frost]

Very interested in the ergonomics of this

Wonder if it’ll be better than the 5 for larger hands

[mystic void]

Honestly I'm just happy they put the sticks in what should be a relatively decent position. To me the RP5 layout is just unacceptable anymore

[copper burrow]

230ish is my guess, prob a little more

well i am glad i didnt get the 5, this feels like a nicer option and powerful android clamshell is something weve wanted for years

[versed vigil]

Shit, I’m probably gonna sell my RP5 for it, I loved my original Flip.

[copper burrow]

providing the QA holds up, yes :3 Id love a flip 2, never owned a flip 1

[scenic mortar]

Controversial statement....I wish they kept the sliders. I've never liked inset sticks.

The rest seems better than the original.

Would have preferred it slightly smaller, but eh, whatever, not a deal breaker.

[opaque harbor]

I wonder how colors will be for the flip 2

[echo lynx]

Damned triggers are going to be so poky

[scenic mortar]

Wasn't a problem with the first one

[versed vigil]

Honestly it’s already way smaller than I expected, so its size is currently a plus for me.

[tacit latch]

does this look super chonky or is it just me?

[versed vigil]

Funny part is that they actually did take that into account and made it have slopes to ensure the triggers aren’t protruding further than the shell.

We actually were just talking about that earlier.

[tacit gorge]

concave stick pads or bust!

[polar whale]

what do you guys think price will be? I'm guess 250$ at retail.

225 ealy bird (only 20 units)

[copper burrow]

Looking forward to the usual complaints when price tag is revealed 😄

[plush dock]

A little thicker than I expected but still nice

I know it’s trying to achieve a low price point but I wish it used a SD8G2 :(

SD8G2 Clamshell, i hope you exist one day

[tacit latch]

between $200-250 is a safe bet

[versed vigil]

I’m assuming only like $10-$15 more than the RP5 since it’s literally just that as a clamshell, same price difference the original Flip 1 had to the RP3+.

The $15 in particular is me taking into account the reinforced hinge.

[gusty python]

No confirmation on cpu yet right?

I'm an hour late to the party but

This thing looks kinda smexy

I kinda ignored retro handhelds from the early rp2 era until the past year to 18 months, but the og flip never seriously interested me. This....actually looks sorta promising?

[tacit latch]

no, but like, it's 99% sure it's going to be the sd865

[copper burrow]

yeah 8gen 2 clamshell would be well over 300

[plush dock]

Ya…

They should make it and call it the Pro model

So they have 2 options

[vagrant wyvern]

Damn, that render does look sexy, but I won't be able to justify the purchase for some time

Might pick it up by fall, unless Anbernic responds with something cheaper (and, well, I just really like their ergos on higher-end stuff)

[gusty python]

I have a rp4p I got used. I've been tempted a few times by the 5 but I might wait and see reviews for the ergonomics and build quality on this thing, but i'd consider it!

[vivid seal]

I did not love this on the Odin 1, maybe it will be better here:

[tacit latch]

sell the 5, get this

that's what everyone will end up doing probably

unless Retroid screws it up somehow

[vagrant wyvern]

I skipped the 5 (kinda glad I did), got the 406H, and, well, it covers stuff this doesn't

[vivid seal]

Dimensity 900

[tacit latch]

ah, I kinda assumed everyone here owns one

[tacit latch]

nah

[vagrant wyvern]

Yeah, with RP5 this would be much simpler

[plush silo]

I've never owned a Retroid handheld before.
This will very likely be my first one

[vagrant wyvern]

I'd still wait for Anbernic to respond though

They tend to start every series (xx3, xx5, etc) with something less traditional

So a clamshell with an RG556 screen would be nice

[topaz jasper]

at least they have the option

i still think there was space for both buttons in the middle

[willow panther]

Do we know the screen specs, yet?

[uncut knoll]

For the colors of the Flip 2 that are confirm: The Game Cube and the one of the trailer which is the black one

Which were the rest of the flip 1?

[vagrant wyvern]

GC one is absolute fire

[uncut knoll]

Also for the size: What can be expect?

Maybe a bit bigger that the New 3DS XL

[onyx hazel]

Have we talked about the lanyard hole yet?!

https://tenor.com/view/girugamesh-talking-gaming-anime-sakuracon-gif-11861348

[pseudo star]

Btw I bet that this year also we will see odin2 flip :p

[versed vigil]

The fact there’s a black one means I’m legit gonna be able to replace my RP5 with this just by buying the Black one and then getting the GC buttons to swap them out.

[opaque harbor]

What would you even do with that chip these days?

[versed vigil]

Higher end Winlator.

Final fantasy IX with Moguri runs like shit on the RP5, and I still don’t know whether it’s simply an issue of the chipset just barely not being good enough, or if it would run well but flat out needs at least 12GB of on-board RAM and swappable isn’t good enough.

[floral pebble]

Omg, from the video I thought that was a flip out hand support like the mcon

[jagged blade]

This is a “L” since there is more than enough space. It’s the start and select being on top of the rp3/+ moment to me. It’s not a deal breaker but just strange to do.

Did anyone see if it had “M” buttons on it?

[plush dock]

RAM would be a factor too that would need to be increased to 16 for me but ||switch|| emulation too

I have the higher end Odin 2 but I want something more on the pocketable side

[opaque harbor]

The problem with that is software is not in a great state currently

[coral valley]

Having the power to brute force things definitely helps though

[plush dock]

Mhm

[warped leaf]

yeah this is probably gonna be another one i'll be skipping on because i have an odin 2 and i don't like having multiple android devices

[plush dock]

Unless I get rid of my Odin 2 same

[rigid thicket]

I didn't consider a sloped back into the trigger humps, this is acceptable.
I'll probably pull the trigger on this since Rocknix is making strides with the RP5 and I imagine it'd be an easy jump to this.

[true zodiac]

They do? Haven't the last couple of gens been the basic 16:9 device?

[warped leaf]

yes

rg503, rg505 and rg556

those were the first anbernic 3566, t618 and t820 devices

[candid sonnet]

I have to say Flip 2 looks sweet

[vagrant wyvern]

I mean, most of Anbernic stuff is 4:3 retro handhelds, that's why a 16:9 OLED is pretty different

[manic grove]

questionable design choices with this one

[rigid thicket]

The base does look really thick considering the screen is on a separate part completely. Hopefully it's so they can fit a larger battery.

[serene storm]

I think aside from the top design circle thing I’m pretty happy with it

It reminds me a lot of like ayaneo flip or win mini lol

[true zodiac]

Even so, calling 16:9 different or less traditional seems like a stretch, for the 6 gen the one that would fit that description would have been the cube.

The main reason anbernic don't do more 16:9 is it would be tougher to do multiple models, just regular and flip unlike the plethora of options for the other ratios.

[manic grove]

there's that but I also mean there's no macro buttons anymore unlike the flip 1 and then there's no android back button and instead a home button shortcut

[serene storm]

Yeah I agree, a step back but oh well. Full 180 hinge rotation is awesome

Those macro buttons were legit

[manic grove]

hard to tell for sure but also looks even thicker than flip 1

[jagged blade]

I consider this a bad move by retroid. Macro buttons are great. Also home button shortcut dives me crazy forthe android stuff. I was excited.

[manic grove]

I get it if it's for cooling purposes but ds lite size appeals to me

[serene storm]

Yeah it’s a thicc one

[manic grove]

it's the little things that make a break a device for me lol

[sage moat]

I want red like in that one guys thumbnail

[serene storm]

I really hope the face buttons are better

Versus the 5/mini

[jagged blade]

Considering this will be 250 plus dollars after shipping. Retroid just saved me money with their bad ideas.

[sage moat]

I think the 5 buttons are ok

[copper burrow]

time to dig out the small violin

[sage moat]

Odin 2 has the best membranes I've felt in a handheld if they're using those

I would rather they use something like the 3ds or vita but well see

[versed vigil]

Didn’t see any in the actual vid, but Atheo didn’t know if they’re really not there or if they just weren’t on the early render used for this video.

[desert canyon]

i want this in black pretty bad. I have no clue how those sticks are fitting closed though, I suppose there is a rounded lip on the screen side for a bit more room? First flip had something like that right?

[versed vigil]

Currently waiting to ask Chris since he has a physical model.

[jagged blade]

If this has macro buttons I am back in on it. Without them. I am out.

[proud siren]

The back end looks to be as thick or thicker than the Flip 1

[plush silo]

I didn't own the og Flip, so I've no clue how big a deal not having the macro buttons really are, but I personally don't use macro buttons on anything. I don't use the macro button on my 8Bitdo controller for example.
Still, even if not many people used em (not saying not many didn't, just a hypothetical), bit of a shame to remove options if it's really gone. I like there being more things for people to use on something if they so desire
I think I would've definitely used the Home button for sure, but it's not a dealbreaker for me if it's not there as I can simply swipe back to Home on the screen

[serene storm]

They were very useful on the og flip

[rigid thicket]

Always nice to have dedicated buttons with an Android based handheld.

[manic grove]

I used them for emulator shortcuts outside retroarch

[serene storm]

I don’t even use back buttons on my handhelds but for the og flip specifically it was good for hot keys and going to home/opening menus

[rigid thicket]

Especially if space isn't an issue.

There's space for them to fit a whole numpad if they wanted to, there's really no reason to be having short/long press jank.

[proud siren]

I’ll be curious to see if this is as thick as a GPD Win Mini. Russ still has his right?

[rigid thicket]

It'd be wild if it was as thick.

[random tulip]

looks great, yeah, that top design circle thing, i dunno, lol

maybe it doubles as a lint cleaner

[naive hollow]

Do we know any specs specifically

[jagged blade]

It just nice to have. As someone who has many handhelds. The macro buttons are something that will make or break buying a higher end handhelds.

[random tulip]

it just totally opens up options for key mapping in retroarch and other stuff

I hate on android devices when they limit to just home and back

you can get around it by adding keymappings for like double tap, or hold, etc. But having a dedicated hotkey is amazing for most CFW

or really just in gneneral

[fathom geyser]

I wish it had M1 and M2 and a separate back button but they aren’t deal breakers for me

[random tulip]

you can definitely always "make do" but it's just nice when you don't have to

[coral valley]

Never really liked back buttons honestly. I'll accidently press them a lot

[jagged blade]

When things start to cost more it becomes deal breaking for me.

[fathom geyser]

I’m the type of Mf to forget that L3 and R3 exists

[random tulip]

haha, and if you never play game sthat require them they can double as hotkey activators

i'd hardly think adding 1 more button would be a significant cost increase but 🤷

[versed vigil]

Then put them on the front. If they can move the power button there, they can move those to the empty space as well.

[coral valley]

Yeah I'd be cool with that, could just my experience with the legion go that has me a bit biased

[rigid thicket]

It's one of those things that you're fine if you've never had it before, but once you have dedicated buttons for functions you use a lot it's a pain to go back.

[random tulip]

onionOS gets a ton of praise, a lot of it just because of that simple little button in the middle of the mini and mini plus

it's a linux system, which makes it easier. Android systems being so dependent on concepts like Home, Back, etc.

[rigid thicket]

I like having a second analog on "underpowered" devices because I use it as 4/5 dedicated function keys.
It could just as easily be a second dpad or 4 buttons and I'd be equally as happy.

I think the bare minimum is having a dedicated key we can use for "hotkey activation"

[coral valley]

Yeah, I'm never gonna complain about an additional analog stick, I won't play psp without one tbh

[random tulip]

Lets put this way, i'd gladly take it over "lanyard hole" 😆

[rigid thicket]

Remapping or using AR codes to bind PSP camera controls to second analog is such huge QoL.

[random tulip]

Yeah, a dedicated hotkey button on all devices would be pretty amazing. Doesn't even have to have any functionality in the core OS, as long as we could remap it in ES-DE, RetroArch, Citra, etc.

and please just throw it on the face

start and select look so lonely

[coral valley]

Yep makes it feel so much more natural. Besides if a device is gonna have one analog stick there's probably room for another. The rg40xxv comes to mind

[sacred valley]

3ds dpad too small though

[versed vigil]

It’s a 3DS, you’re pretty much getting that for 3DS games alone (and for DS if you don’t want to get a DS Lite or DSi for cheap), so you’re mostly gonna be using the Circle pad anyways.

[rigid thicket]

Go back in time and grab a Surface Duo for cheap 🙃

[copper burrow]

let me just grab that time machine 😄

[tired cypress]

Disappointed too thick and stacked Triggers. Dream of waiting for a pocketable PS2 handheld continues

Still waiting for something thats New 3DS or RG405M size

[versed vigil]

…Do we even know what the actual size for the thing is yet? Cause it literally just looks the same as the RP Flip1 in terms of “top-half to bottom-half” ratio, so until we actually have a final unit and the measurements, it literally just looks as pocketable as the original RP Flip (if not more, since the triggers at least look more flush with the bottom shell instead of being like the Flip 1’s in protruding out like crazy).

[rigid thicket]

We can probably estimate if we assume RP5 screen, but if it's just a render it might not be quite accurate.

[echo dawn]

I would imagine this is the RP5 screen and specs in a clamshell design, now with authentic GC colour scheme at long last... so the option of Linux as well as Android should be agiven also

[coral valley]

Assuming this is using the rp5 screen, which it probably is, I think it's going to be actually shorter than rp mini

[white prism]

Now they just need to add a keyboard on the bottom half

[jolly kayak]

It would be awesome if the unrevealed vertical device is a slide.

The screen covers the controls and provides a tiny android interface, and you can slide it up to use controls.

Looks like 1 solid piece from the teaser though

[random tulip]

Slide would be dope. But then like we'd have to wait a while to make sure it doesn't just fall apart

[crisp loom]

L A N Y A R D

[echo dawn]

I still think [I know some feel otherwise] that a dual screen but affordable Retroid/Ayn device that plays 3DS/DS/Wii U titles properly as a result would be a very popular iteration of a Flip style clamshell handheld.

[random tulip]

I mean dual screen is the endgame we're all slowly beating these companies towards

One day someone will make one

It makes sense that some of the best handheld games were made for handhelds originally. So finding a way to support the DS/3DD ecosystem and have it feel natural seems to be a no-brainer on that path

[restive karma]

or big red N makes dual screen device again and start banning all these companies from making a ds.

[coral valley]

The onexsugar

[random tulip]

Should have caveated that to not require kidney sale

[coral valley]

Idk how good it's going to be, but I think at the very least it might motivate other companies to make their own

That's the hope at least

[echo dawn]

This would perhaps be a use of that 2nd USB-C port on the Switch 2, adding a second screen

[random tulip]

I'd hope so. Might also scare them. Depending on how poor sales are and whether it falls apart after a week 😆

[scenic mortar]

And then use the other port for a third screen.

[coral valley]

It's really going to depend on the price, but I mean onexplayer has made pretty crazy devices already so I have some trust in its durability

[random tulip]

Are they durable? Because of the price I honestly don't know anyone who has one 😆

But that could be a me issue

[restive karma]

it will be a we issue

[coral valley]

Tbf I don't have one either

Just haven't seen as many complaints compared to something like ayaneo

[echo dawn]

So how close to Odin 2 performance did the RP5 get in the end for anyone using both? Because I love my Odin 2 Pro, but I would love a decent clamshell that fits in a pocket that's got the screen quality and performance there too.

[random tulip]

Yeah. Just hard to know if that's a simple lack of sample size

[mint bone]

Wild thought what if AYN release Clamshell with Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 & Odin 2 Mini Screen

[random tulip]

By all accounts the s865 is a pretty solid and well supported emulation chip. Add that it can run Linux and I think it's probably the best baseline for premium out at this point. That said, Odin 2 def more powerful

[coral valley]

To give a rough estimate

[echo dawn]

I'm looking forward to Batocera landing on Odin 2 to see how far it pushes the hardware, because from what I see the Linux on RP5 isn't great with Xbox etc anyway that Android can't do.

[random tulip]

Yeah. I think the advantage it has outside of raw power is just that it can run Linux emulators as well

One of those cases where you can squeeze the performance out of it. But it's not going to be as easy as an Odin 2

[echo dawn]

Yeah, but I guess depending on the price point the Flip 2 is given to us for, it's still doing very well at everything up to Wii U [and a tiny bit of Switch by looks of it] to take on the go in a pocketable format this time.

[echo dawn]

That makes it look like a significant difference when put like that, yet it is managing [from YouTube reviews anyway] a lot of what Odin 2 does with GC/PS2/etc with that power.

[coral valley]

True, I think a lot of that comes from driver compatibility that the 865 has

[echo dawn]

Yeah true, which is why Batocera on Odin 2 could be very very interesting... but again, not pocketable 😂 so the Flip 2 if as powerful as the RP5 it'll still be impressive for its formfactor

[random tulip]

Yeah. The Odin 2 mini with batocera would be awesome sauce

Probably the best of all worlds

[echo dawn]

True the Mini would definately be the best option, but without the protection of a clamshell for the screen I guess.

[random tulip]

But I'm really hoping the s865 slowly makes its way into being the budget chip of choice down the road. Kinda like the rk3566 of the next gen

It's just a good all rounder

Of course there's tons of other stuff that may supplant it

[stray dagger]

The RP5 does actually pretty good at Switch, Snapdragon IS a world of difference from Mali drivers

My Poco X6 Pro while fairly powerful can't do GCN in 4k/60fps

Poco F6 with an equivalent Snapdragon SoC does 4k GCN with lil issue... aside from getting toasty

[echo dawn]

So it's handling MK8D, Wonder, Smash, etc well then? I'd have thought it'd get a little stuttery in comparison to other handhelds. But yeah those drivers make all the difference!

The Odin 2 of course does GCN/PS2 in 2K perfectly, and a lot of games in 4K very well. Most of the time I only need it in 1080p as a handheld though of course.

[stray dagger]

Ehh, wouldn't count on it. Iirc MK8 runs good, but MK8D stutters a bit. Wonder shouldn't be too hard, but I would look at emulation tests of the RP5 Switch performance first to see how well it handles the desired games. It's far from unplayable, but certainly a compromise.

[echo dawn]

I mean it's not the end of the world, I'd be more bothered about 3DS tier performance personally, it's just nice to have something with a bit of futureproof-ness 😎

[stray dagger]

Odin 2 should do a fair chunk of GCN at 4k, it's Just incredibly unnecessary to push it that far

[echo dawn]

Oh yeah it's pointless, 2K looks very good when docked anyway and keeps performance smooth

[stray dagger]

Rather keep the battery alive and the device not too toasty

Was rather surprised how warm the SD8sGen3 got at 4k GCN, the Dimensity 8300 struggles at around 50fps (so 4k PAL Roms would work), but it ain't getting hot. 🤔

Well, Odin 2 has better cooling than a phone anyway

[icy bramble]

I wish they could use whatever they're using on the Redmagic lol

[stray dagger]

Isn't that just a SD8Gen3

[icy bramble]

I don't like that the charger is at the bottom but I'm sure there's some justification that could be said in response to that.

I meant cooling system

[stray dagger]

Oh fair

[icy bramble]

Sorry I shoulda put that part in but it made sense in my head not to I guess

[echo dawn]

Yeah and when docked can bypass the battery for charging anyway keeping it at 90% etc

[random tulip]

I mean it's def for the dock no?

[tawdry dove]

Those high rpm microfans make horrible noises

[wary briar]

"improved Hinge"

watch it break in 2 opens

[fathom geyser]

Tbf it looks much better designed than the first hinge

[urban jewel]

nah you can see they designed it way better

hinge design is interesting because imo at least there's a very clear right and wrong way to do it and sadly the og flip hinge was designed the exact wrong way 😭

[wary briar]

im still iffy

coz every single retroid device

first release have issues

[urban jewel]

I mean this device can still have issues lol

[wary briar]

yes

[urban jewel]

just doubt it'll be the exact issue of "hinge breaks easily" like the last one 😅

[wary briar]

and i think it would be the hinge

[urban jewel]

maybe the hinge will be too stiff or loose

[wary briar]

they improved it too much that its now super tight

and just opening it would crack it

[tired cypress]

I don't find RP Flip pocketable yes it fits in a pocket but it's not on a level of pocketability as a New 3DS

[versed vigil]

We did get one, and it was even a Handheld PC that would arguably be able to make much better use of the bottom screen by having it be dedicated to the “performance metrics” for PC games.

The only problem is that it was AYANEO, so no one could trust it.

[wary briar]

8k when

[urban jewel]

RP Mini is your best bet as of rn

[formal latch]

It fits in a pocket, but it's not pocketable...?
I mean, I know my experience doesn't speak for everyone, but it's literally in my left front pants pocket everyday at work.
I guess my question is, where do we draw the line between what we deem pocketable or not? Who gets to be the final arbiter on that?

[tired cypress]

Still not comfortably pocketable it's around the size of a RP2S and RG40XXH. In looking for something size of a RG405M max

[versed vigil]

We talking Jacket or pants pockets? Because if we’re talking pants pockets, then I’d argue it was actually much more pants-pocket friendly than even the RP3+ (the non-clamshell counterpart to the Flip 1), so much better than the RP4 as well.

[tired cypress]

I don't find either RP3 or Flip 1 pants pocketable looking for RG405M or New 3DS size max

[serene storm]

I can fit the Odin 2 mini case in my pockets LOL

[random tulip]

I should have put non bonkers priced

[urban jewel]

Then I'd say the ayaneo pocket micro would be the best option on the market for you currently, but that doesn't really like, NAIL nail ps2 the way the RP mini does. 😕

[versed vigil]

Ah, then in that case I think the only one that will ever be in that size range is the AYANEO Pocket Micro, since even Anbernic ditched that form factor for the 406H.

[tired cypress]

If it's chunky in my pocket I may as well carry a Gamesir X2 Pro around with me

[noble canyon]

Isn’t rp flip just as pocketable

[random tulip]

O2m has been my fav power pocketable so far

Have a pocket s coming so we'll see

[serene storm]

I hope retroid does a shell for this

[noble canyon]

It’s dimension wise the same as a normal 3ds but a little thicker

And I find the new 3ds xl to be very pocketable

[urban jewel]

that thing is not pocketable

[tired cypress]

I prefer New 3DS

It's crazy none of these companies yet to go after pocket friendly PS2 market

[noble canyon]

It won’t

[versed vigil]

Nah, I’d say it was actually fairly priced for a Dualscreen Handheld PC with its specs.

The problem is finding a company that would do a Dualscreen Android handheld that wouldn’t be crazy expensive and also actually works well on a software level (since none of them are on the level of Microsoft, being one of the only reasons the Surface Duo works as well as it does with the chip it uses).

[noble canyon]

Rp mini and flip 2

If you go for too small ps2 wouldn’t look good

I used to pocket my rp mini all the time no problem

[tired cypress]

In my opinion none of these are nowhere close to someone like New 3DS or RG405M

[noble canyon]

Like even in tighter pockets

I had a rg405m

I find the rp mini to be just as pocketable

The bumps barely changed the pocketability

The triggers affected it but u kinda need the analog triggers for a real ps2 experience

[tired cypress]

I had a RG405M and now own a RG40XXH they are around the same size but the protuding sticks and stacked Triggers make it less ideal for me

[noble canyon]

The stacked triggers are needed for modern consoles tho

Rg405m inline shoulders SUCK

[versed vigil]

I mean…for real PS2 experience we’d need analog-pressure Face buttons, Analog-pressure D-Pad, and analog-pressure L1/R1.

[noble canyon]

I guess so

But iirc more games made use of the analog triggers

And for GameCube in particular

[tired cypress]

I don't really care for stacked Triggers and ergo I'd play on a much larger habdheld for these things

[noble canyon]

It was needed for stuff like Mario sunshine to even function

[tired cypress]

Sunshine is out on Switch without it I'm sure you can make it work somehow

[noble canyon]

But id consider the rp mini and now the rp flip 2 to be truly pocketable gc/ps2 machines

[noble canyon]

You can map one to partial and another to full

With r and zr

[versed vigil]

Honestly, I will say it depends on the pants you’re wearing.

[noble canyon]

In dolphin

[versed vigil]

But yeah, the RP Mini does actually fit in my pants pockets, even if I still prefer using my jacket pocket.

[noble canyon]

Back in college when I’d always pocket my 2s and rp mini it always fit pretty decently

But I’m like

6’7

So my pants are big

I don’t think the pockets are too much particularly bigger in let’s say jeans

But there’s only a handful of pants where I found it to be a little uncomfortable

[tired cypress]

Even if it fits in don't like something that's sticking out or buldging. Therr is a difference between pocketability where you notice it and pocketability where you forget you are carrying it

[noble canyon]

There’s not a lot of devices that are the latter

[versed vigil]

Shit, I’m 6’1” and I just hate tight pants/skinny jeans, so most of my pants are baggy enough to put an RP Mini without much of a bulge.

[noble canyon]

People argue the miyoo mini plus isn’t very pocketable

And you need a device much bigger than that for a real ps2 experience

[tired cypress]

Well none for PS2, but up to PS1 there is plenty

[coral valley]

I think the flip is especially going to be good for that since for the most part it's pretty flat

[noble canyon]

RP2S size minimum

[coral valley]

I have an easier time putting my trimui smart pro in my pocket than my brick, just because it has a more uniform shape

[restive karma]

I guess Miyoo mini plus are not pocketable for non adults.

[tired cypress]

For now I just carry a Gamesir X2 Pro which fits in my pocket although it's bulging like those other large handhelds

[noble canyon]

Yea flip 2 dimension wise should be pocketable and the design seems to have the analog triggers be covered in a way where it’s hard to latch onto a pocket

[restive karma]

Really? That thang bulges waaaay too much

[noble canyon]

And no stick issue

Rp mini I think insets the sticks well and it doesn’t protrude as much as the 2s

Or rp5

And retroids pretty good with trigger designs that don’t fuck up the pocket

[tired cypress]

I keep stick caps off but yes probably slightly bigger than a RP2S when it's not connected to my phone and in my pocket seperatly

[versed vigil]

…So wait, then is RP2S is pocketable enough for your metric or too big?

[noble canyon]

Yea if the 2s is considered pocketable then the rp mini is definitely pocketable

[restive karma]

I can only put that in the pocket on the sides of my hoodie. Definitely not in my pants or the pocket on the chest.

[noble canyon]

It’s a bit wider but it’s not as tall and the sticks don’t get in the way

[tired cypress]

What I'm getting at is if a handheld can't get that much smaller than my X2 Pro is may as well stick with it

[noble canyon]

And actually the bumps help prevent it from sliding out of the pocket while it’s a pretty easy device to slide into the pocket

[random tulip]

To be fair an s865 and Linux would be able to dual screen fairly easily.

[noble canyon]

I’m excited for the rp flip 2 because I really would like nice uncompromised high end emulation with oled on a screen that works with everything

Like it can display ds/3ds nice

And I don’t have to worry about scratches or sticks getting in the way

I love my 35xx sp

Despite how thick it is

It just feels “right” to have a screen on top of my controls

And having that be very pocketable is sweet

[versed vigil]

Again, most companies that aren’t Microsoft or even Samsung only can really pull off Dual screen with higher end chipsets, and that doesn’t stop from draining a ton of battery (unless you’re using a single foldable OLED screen).

[coral valley]

Worth it imo

[random tulip]

i mean they don't really need to. In the end, if linux based, it's just a 2 monitor setup

android is a whole other issue, which i'd recommend anyone trying to do dual screens steer clear of

[noble canyon]

I think dual screen with android would make better use of the use case with a real internet browser and streaming apps

Like looking up walkthroughs

[wary briar]

You right. It will be in 3

[noble canyon]

ESP for confusing retro games

[versed vigil]

At most I’d at least acknowledge that if anything is gonna solve that issue, it would be using the RP Mini’s 3.7” screen for the bottom screen since that thing is apparently one of the most ridiculously efficient screens we currently know about, even compared to other OLED panels.

[random tulip]

it would, but it would just require significant dev work to make it seamless

yeah, i mean it'd def need a small secondary, that's efficient

[noble canyon]

According to retroid staff leaks they hired a company to open and close the device like 100,000 times with a machine to ensure the hinge design won’t break

[coral valley]

I believe citra mmj already has a screen casting feature its just a bit janky to set up

[random tulip]

and somewhwat limited, but i'm fine with that. All it needs to do really is maybe be extra buttons or touchpad in it's basic form, and a second screen in it's 3DS state

[versed vigil]

So, how do you feel about the Flip’s layout?

[noble canyon]

And given how many flips they had to refund, they probably will really go out of their way to make sure it won’t ever break in normal use

[random tulip]

Those poor 100,000 children they hired to open and close it once

[noble canyon]

That’s not really my concern with flip w it’s more software related

Also the lack of back buttons

Apparently the home button works as a back button like the Odin 1

Tapping it gives a back button but holding it makes it a home button which I hate cuz it makes hotkeys annoying

Just let us get rid of its ability to act like a home menu

Also no m1/m2 buttons are a fumble

[random tulip]

eh, keymapper to the rescue

but it is annoying to have to do it

[versed vigil]

I just asked Chris in his mailbox on that and I’m currently waiting for a response.

[noble canyon]

We should ask retroid to make sure we can have a setting to get rid of home buttons functionality for just a normal back button

Cuz u can just use touch screen to get out of non responsive apps

Also retroid still needs to fix their software still

Like retroArch being laggy with retro achievements on

Or battery life sometimes getting worse for no reason after putting the device in sleep mode and waking it up if it has WiFi on requiring you to disable and re enable WiFi to get normal drain numbers

[jagged blade]

I think that is RetroArch thing.

[versed vigil]

Is that a Retroid issue or Retroarch issue?

Ah, JayLash already asked.

[noble canyon]

Weird

[jagged blade]

Melo DS or PPSSPP is laggy with Achievements. Not sure how Retroid would fix that.

[noble canyon]

Wasn’t an issue on my mini

[noble canyon]

That then sounds like a retroid issue

[jagged blade]

It's a issue across all handhelds.

I have like 90

Unless you are using retroid lancher than IDK

[robust wedge]

People who thought the OG flip wasn't pocketable.

[noble canyon]

Oh then ur right then

For 4:3 content it’s about the same size tho

But with a 5.5 inch screen

Yea it’s mighty big

PS2 almost always has good widescreen hacks as well, gc is more flawed

[urban jewel]

I have the RP mini and the screen is plenty big for me. I can't imagine struggling to read text on games that were originally designed to be 640x480 on this display unless I was farsighted and not wearing my glasses.

[noble canyon]

I think the rp mini screen is big enough for me, obviously the screen body ratio is distracting

It’s mostly a problem for 16:9 content and ds/3ds

Cuz for ds/3ds im kinda forced to do one screen at a time

[robust wedge]

As someone who is farsighted it gets exhausting over time even with glasses. A 4" 4:3 display is my minimum now if I'm playing for more than a few minutes.

It also helps if the game was designed with small screens in mind, which is why Chrono Trigger DS blows my mind. They used a smaller font for the handheld version than the SNES version.

https://tenor.com/view/avgn-angry-video-game-nerd-what-were-they-thinking-what-are-they-thinking-confused-gif-17417919

(Unless there's a way to change it I haven't discovered.)

[gritty kraken]

Wonder if it's the same size as the PS1 version

Afaik that's the version the DS one is based on

[stiff depot]

Nope sorry, I gifted my Win Mini to a developer for dev work.

[long lichen]

C'mon Retroid, all that space on the bottom and you couldn't throw a couple of extra buttons on it? If it' had 6 buttons it would be a pre-order for me.

I still find it very tempting, assuming it has the same 5.5" OLED and an 865 in it. We'll have to see what the price point is.

[stray dagger]

ask the dolphin devs

[tacit latch]

it doesn't look like it does no

[jagged blade]

I feel like they are going backwards then. Like the shoealde guy says. I just save myself 150 dollars

[tacit latch]

as an owner of the first one I was definitely hoping for a thinner device so it's a bit disappointing if it's not

[fathom geyser]

Going backwards is a bit of an overstatement imo, I would’ve preferred the extra buttons but they’re nowhere near a deal breaker for me. Lil’ head scratch-y but no reason to get the pitch forks out, remove the headphone jack and we’ve got a problem

[hybrid viper]

SD865 is still most likely, but if it's something as expected as that I don't know why it's not already announced

Maybe they did use something different

[versed vigil]

Still haven’t gotten a response from Chris yet on if the render in the video is fully accurate or not (since again, Pac-Man Logo on the back suggests otherwise), so he hasn’t answered my question on if the Flip 2 actually has the M1/M2 buttons yet.

[versed vigil]

Eh, they might just be saving it for announcing with the RAM and internal Storage.

[tropic surge]

welp im let down merely by the dpad/analog placement alone. seems petty but cant get over it

[versed vigil]

I mean, I wouldn’t personally agree with it being a negative to “get over” since I actually prefer it over the RP5’s layout.

But at the same time, if it’s personal opinion then I also wouldn’t call that petty in the first place, it’s your prerogative on what you like and don’t like.

[tropic surge]

I guess I was naively hopeful they’d keep it consistent with the rp5 which wouldve been fine by me

[versed vigil]

It depends, since I never really cared whether the D-Pad or stick were on top, the main thing I cared about was the offset of the bottom controls from the top.

As-is, the Flip 2’s layout is miles better to me, but the reverse in it having D-Pad and face buttons on top would also be miles better as long as they keep that offset.

[wary briar]

Don't get me started. No buy coz of it

[jagged blade]

Pretty, gets you Start and Select on the top of the handheld. I want functional. No back button, lacking macro buttons isn't functinal to me

[tropic surge]

I’m in the camp of the OG flip’s ergo/layout being pretty great for my hands/preferences

[echo lynx]

whats special about DC?

[tropic surge]

gimme this with an 865, pls and thx

[severe ridge]

thats 99% likely what we are getting
minus the sliders

[tropic surge]

really hoping so despite the latest video suggesting otherwise

[severe ridge]

dunno what video you watched

[tropic surge]

the one retroid put out earlier today

[versed vigil]

Not them, but I imagine it’s the fact that Dreamcast is unironically easy enough to emulate that you can outright run them on the H700 handhelds and arguably even rk3326.

[versed vigil]

It would definitely put it in a higher ranking of playability on T618 than where GC and PS2 were.

[rigid thicket]

I think the sloped back, while less comfortable than ideal ergo shape, makes it more comfortable with all hand placements/hands since you can freely rest anywhere.

Like, using twinstick/FPS grip with sticks up top might've sucked with the Flip 1 style trigger humps since it isn't an ideal grip, but with a sloped back instead you can reposition your hands to make it comfortable.

[severe ridge]

it also reduces the triger bump to near nonexistent

which is nice for pocket comfort

[echo lynx]

what makes dc eay to emulate?

is it weak?

[lost knoll]

Man

I'm already sold on this

OLED flip

[willow panther]

what's the screen on this one?

[severe ridge]

all we kno is OLED, we assume rp5 screen

[wooden phoenix]

I just need to know the colors. I'm buying one lol. Hoping they release some transparent colorways

[versed vigil]

Less that and more the fact that it’s a simpler hardware architecture thanks to it’s CPU using a standard MIPS processor compared to PS2 using the outright abnormal processor architecture that were standard for PS systems (till the PS4), and compared to the GC being an outright more demanding system since it was actually the second strongest of the Gen-6 consoles (only one stronger was Xbox).

[echo lynx]

cell engine was on ps2 and ps3????

damn

so dc was weak and simple

what makes the cpu complex?

is not a number cruncher?

[versed vigil]

Not necessarily, it actually had better texture rendering than the PS2 since it was using a more advanced GPU (even if it was still technically weaker).

[rigid thicket]

Helps that it didn't do anything weird architecture-wise.

[echo lynx]

what about the cursed architecture makes it stronger?

[versed vigil]

Well, for PS2 in particular, it’s outright abnormal by most technological standards.

As an example, unlike most consoles at the time, the PS2 didn’t follow the IEEE floating point standard and had a proprietary one. This would be fine for it, but given most modern computers (both arm and x86) use the IEEE Floating Point Standard, that makes it much more difficult for devices to emulate that properly since the device has to constantly check and make sure it’s accurately emulating that, unlike with other consoles (even older ones) which could run off of the computer’s native Floating point since they did use the IEEE standard.

[versed vigil]

This type of “different from standard technology” thing would become even worse with the PS3, which was so outright alien compared to other consoles and computers that it directly affected people’s ability to make ports for the system, requiring much more work to port a game onto the PS3 than it would take to port the same game to Xbox 360 or even Wii (and that system would obviously require a lot of optimization work since it’s essentially only slightly stronger than a GameCube versus the sheer powerhouses that the PS3 and 360 were, still easier than porting a game to the PS3).

[wary briar]

why is the dpad on the bottom for this

like wtf

oh wait

3ds has it on top too

and i was ok

nvm

[versed vigil]

Because the Face Buttons are also on the Bottom since it’s Wii U layout.

And the sticks, being Wii U layout, are far away towards the top corners of the device while the D-Pad and face buttons are more towards the middle.

[wary briar]

ok

i guess i can accept this

[random tulip]

Of all layouts to emulate it is pretty funny they went with Wii U

[jagged blade]

It not really on the bottom like it would be for a landscaped handheld. I think the layout makes lots of sense. Owning other clamshells with this layout it works well.

[jagged blade]

I say it's more GPD XD/+ or powkiddy x18/s

[random tulip]

The back def has me more intrigued

[echo lynx]

nintendo optimizing games indirectly

wish they'd keep up a bit

[random tulip]

Those were thicker tho no? I have no issue with the layout on a thicker device. There's more to grip

[jagged blade]

The OG Flip is thicker than those. But they are longer. I can that some pics later tonight of all 3.

[random tulip]

Like it worked well on the Wii U big boi controller

She was thick

The Wii U pro controller was pretty meh tho

Yeah. It'd be interesting to see all 3 scaled side by side

I mean as good as you can with it still being a render

[echo lynx]

❤️ wii u

[random tulip]

Turns out when it's thick enough you can put controls just about anywhere

(steam deck)

[restive karma]

How dare you

[rigid thicket]

Was pretty meh.

The tablet pad was fine though.

I was so hoping the Switch 2 was going to be a Surface Duo style foldable so they could have a Virtual NDS/3DS/WiiU library work properly.

[random tulip]

I mean comparing it to the switch pro controller, switch pro is just so good. I mean sure it's an Xbox rip. But I honestly gravitate to it more than my Xbox ones

[random tulip]

This would have been real tight. Who knows tho

I still expect some quirky stuff in the works

[rigid thicket]

I think the Switch Pro shape is pretty unique. More squarish rather than uh...trapazoidal like the Xbox shape.

Well, "unique"

Definitely different hand feel.

[echo lynx]

vaguely better than the ultimate 2c

but the dpad is a pain

[echo dawn]

The device by Ayaneo was insanely stupid, and overly priced like all their handhelds. An overpowered system that never needed to be that powerful or costly when the resolution of the device never warrented that much oomph behind it. Could be a third of the price and still do Wii U and 3DS titles on screens as big as it has.

And that's why Ayn or Retroid could easily produce an affordable but similar style device I feel that can run those games [especially now Android and Linux can both do so instead of Windows] and be accessible wallet wise for many more people.

[versed vigil]

The problem is that it wasn’t overpriced for what it was.

It never is with them, because the problem is that they always overbloat their tech with a bunch of things it outright doesn’t need.

The damn thing didn’t need a freaking 120hz screen or high end chipset.

[echo dawn]

This is it though, it was overpriced in terms of what people needed it to be, but 'justified' with bloat as you say. You'd buy it purely for the sake of saying you own it, rather than actually benefitting from what it could achieve.

If the Odin 2 can run Wii U and 3DS games perfectly fine, then a dual screen device that's $50 more would suit most people.

[rigid thicket]

They could easily do it with Linux at least.
I always say "software isn't an issue" but I guess Android doesn't natively have a dual screen situation outside of the Surface Duo.
That said, there is an AOSP build for the Duo that they could work off of.

[versed vigil]

Exactly my point on refusing to call it overpriced, because that just justifies them doing it further.

[echo dawn]

Oh you'd need some software tweaks for making the dual screen elements work, but I'm sure if the hardware was announced in advance the likes of Lime3DS and Cemu would get on that right away.

[rigid thicket]

Citra already works fine

Well, I'd say all emulators work fine if you can get the OS to treat both screens as one long screen.

[versed vigil]

If you call something overpriced with no elaboration, that makes
it sound like “oh, it’s not worth the price, so let’s wait for a used one”.

You’re never gonna get that used version unless it’s a shitty one that the person doesn’t want anymore.

[echo dawn]

From an Android/Linux perspective it'd need tweaking though presumably

[rigid thicket]

Surface Duo

It already exists and worked without tweaks.

[versed vigil]

Because no one’s gonna give up a 120hz high-end Handheld PC now that they’ve got one. If they were willing to buy that and they get a good unit, they’re never replacing it with another one.

[rigid thicket]

If the screens are treated as one long screen then it just works.

Just rendered with stacked screens like you would in like, a TATE rotated setup.

[versed vigil]

So you’ve got some fucking boutique shit that you’ll never be able to justify buying, and you know for a fact that the only reason you can recognize how unnecessary it is and now much it’s overpriced is because it’s too expensive for any of your impulsive “oh that’s so sick” urges to actually work on you, so you’re left with the acknowledgment that “yeah, it’s cool, but it’s also way too much money”.

[echo dawn]

And Android would do that? I know the Duo could as Windows but not sure about other OS options

[rigid thicket]

The Surface Duo is Android.

[echo dawn]

Well some would now argue it allows black frame addition having a frame rate that good but I honestly don’t see the difference.

[rigid thicket]

And there's an AOSP (Android Open Source Project) build of Android 13/14 for the Duo.

So there's an open source build that they (or Gamma) could look at

[echo dawn]

Ah fair enough! But would that be capable of seeing two separate panels as one screen? Not sure if that’s how the Duo is physically built/programmed

[versed vigil]

Yeah, and that was already an option even at the time.

Doesn’t stop that screen from likely being at least 1/5th or even 1/4th of the minimum Early Bird price (which is still over $100).

[rigid thicket]

The Duo is two separate physical panels. I'm sure Microsoft had to do something to make it work and the AOSP builds do the same.

[naive hollow]

What's the skinny on the price of flip 2

[rigid thicket]

No news yet.

[naive hollow]

Sadge

Thanks tho

[rigid thicket]

I can't imagine it'd be more than $249 though.

Unless they're using a different chip...which they haven't revealed yet either.

[naive hollow]

Yeah that'd be a little absurd

I don't see why they'd use a different chip

[versed vigil]

That’s the whole reason why I have a problem with saying “AYANEO stuff is overpriced”, because it’s genuinely not, it’s fucking niche ideas being made into Boutique high-end handhelds, they’re unironically fairly priced for their concepts, but they’re too fucking much money to justify buying since you only wanted the niche, you never wanted to boutique superglued onto the damn thing.

[rigid thicket]

Same, though it's odd they didn't reveal it when everyone already assumes it'll be the same chip.

[naive hollow]

Who knows maybe it's 8g2

[echo dawn]

The rumour is weekly info drops, so they can drip Linux, spec, price, etc which let’s face it will be identical

[naive hollow]

How is rp5 Linux these days

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, they're fairly priced considering offerings and scale of operations. They're just way overspec for what most of us want them for.

[naive hollow]

If Ayaneo is overpriced, what does that mean about my $900 claw 8

[versed vigil]

Exactly! Saying they’re overpriced is the worst way to complain about it, because it outright makes us look delusional. The problem with AYANEO is that they constantly overspec their stuff, and you can’t even argue against it because they’re literally a company that focuses on boutique handhelds.

[rigid thicket]

Like, I'd love a GPD Win 4...but it's way overspec for what I want and priced accordingly.

I'd love a small Windows handheld that I can dedicate to the vast indie library on Steam.

[versed vigil]

You can’t argue with them on that, so you can only just acknowledge that you’ll never be able to get their stuff, and just move on.

[naive hollow]

Ayaneo air 1S looks mighty nice

5.5 inch windows handheld

We need more of those

[versed vigil]

Was that the one that Stubbs is marrying, like Plankton?

Or is that the new one?

[naive hollow]

I'm not up to date with RH lore lol

I know he really liked the claw 155h

[tacit latch]

This is speculation but it's possible this wasn't done on a whim but rather due to real physical constraints; recessed sticks in a clamshell may make it difficult to fit the battery unless placed at the top

[undone mango]

I think it's fine and cool. Makes it look like a homage to the GPD XD

[tacit latch]

not really no, the GPD XD+ was the thickness of a DSi

[tacit latch]

The Duo is kind of a special case because it is technically Android, but heavily customized by Microsoft to play (relatively) well with two screens, so you can't really make any judgment about Android's multi screen capabilities based on that

[undone mango]

Duo has probably had some work to do to make that work with it. Same with something like the Fold and the Galaxy Flip. But again the only people who are even doing dual screens in the android space have been Microsoft (a multi trillion dollar company) and Samsung (a multi billion dollar corporation).

[versed vigil]

Well thank god for that then.

[rigid thicket]

I can't stress enough that there's literally an open source build of Android for the Duo that works with the two screens.

[tacit latch]

yeah I think this is the better trade of vs using sliders

[tacit latch]

ah, I stand corrected

but in any case, when Chris says that the main hurdle is patents I believe him

the technical barrier of supporting two screens is otherwise a challenge but not insurmountable

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, if he's specifically saying the hurdle is patents and not software/hardware we can kind of take it that the software/hardware isn't really an issue.

[tacit latch]

nothing that Anbernic's brightest contractors couldn't take with questionable but usable results

[rigid thicket]

Because it'd be real easy to just agree with the general consensus that it's the software/hardware being the issue otherwise.

Here's the solution:
Release a dual-screen Android tablet with rails and pogo connectors.
Separately release attachable controllers that happen to work with the aforementioned tablet.

[random tulip]

Haha. Whereas I'm like, it's a shame it's not sliders

[echo lynx]

jank 😦

[wooden phoenix]

It's the 19th. Where's the info?

[versed vigil]

…This?
https://youtu.be/CEgqhkwfHQU

It was posted today.

[wooden phoenix]

Yeah. I watched that 1 min after they posted it on their discord. But...I want info not a video render lol

[echo lynx]

the info is in the video

sticks

oled

analogue triggers

[wooden phoenix]

Already knew it would have sticks and analogue triggers 🤣

[echo lynx]

that arent pokey!🎉

[wooden phoenix]

That wasn't new

[versed vigil]

Well, the non-pokey triggers are news, since the RP Flip had some pretty big triggers. Plus that news also doubles as “this will have a flat back for people who prefer ergo’s to be optional” news.

[floral pebble]

It has a lanyard hole too

[echo lynx]

what do you even do with that

[frosty oxide]

to say Oooo look holes 😄

[echo lynx]

swiss handheld

[floral pebble]

You can put a strap around your wrist so you don't fling the controller across the room

It'll really increase device longevity for some of us

[jagged blade]

Here is some comparison picture’s between gpd xd,x18s and RP flip

[echo lynx]

retroid sports?

[frosty oxide]

if you game so hard you need to strap it, you need control therapy, not a strap. 😄

[formal latch]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

strap is cheaper

that sent out of order of how I meant it

[frosty oxide]

or just use one of these grip builder devices in-between games. they are cheaper than name brand lanyards now days. 🤔

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[formal latch]

oh, I was thinking of people who get pissed off with gaming and throw controllers, not a strength issue 😅

[frosty oxide]

in that case, I stand corrected. you are right lanyards is cheaper than Bellevue. 😄
I should know, I'm still saving up for a vacation there.

[fathom geyser]

It’s funny to me how many people in this server have the non-official red and black combo flip

Except most of the people on the server have the black base with the red screen

[rigid thicket]

Two-tone things look so nice, wish that was an option in general.

Or offer like, clip on swaps.

[frosty oxide]

Well all those been begging for a new flip, they need to buy this one. I really believe if the sale are low, there wont be a flip 3. I can't believe retroid caved and is making the flip 2.

[rigid thicket]

I mean, it must've been in the works for a while. It's not like they just reflexively decided to make it after seeing the Anbernic/Miyoo offerings.

[severe ridge]

flip 2 and vertical were the only things in their suggestion channel besides rp5 grip for the past 6 months

[frosty oxide]

yes and no, If the specs reads right. its the same internals of the RP5, they just had to find a filp shell design for the RP5. or a new design to use the rp5 and mini left over chips.

[frosty oxide]

I wouldn't know, as a "southern" I'm still learning how to read **a map. **

[jagged blade]

The one taxi shared early is my handhelds brother

[wooden phoenix]

Honestly retroid was kind of forced to go flip or vertical next. They aren't going to jump to a power chip until they are cheaper. They live in the mid range and there's lots of competition cheaper and more expensive. Retroid has almost a singular section to themselves most of the time.

[frosty oxide]

not really, I feel like retroid has built a good reputation for the budget bang for the bulk handhelds. something that Anbernic is still struggling with. even all RP5 the how to and review videos, I feel like they could pass on the flip 2 and still be head of the game in budget handhelds.

[wooden phoenix]

Like release an h700 competitor? I think anbernic killed that market with every form factor possible. Personally at least. They would cannibalize their own profits with the rp5 and rp mini unless they just change form factor which is what they are doing. They haven't done a budget handheld in quite a long time. They've resided in the mid range. Plus they don't really do Linux and budget devices are garbage with android. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[fathom geyser]

2S was a solid budget device

Still is

Actually it was Retroid’s least problematic release, other than long shipping which wasn’t really their fault

[frosty oxide]

I think android is tons better on budget, or mid the easy of changing/updating emulators. simply uninstall and install an app or update an app, instead of flashing a whole filmware or waiting for a new build update.

[severe ridge]

if this mystery handheld is just a rp2s V ill be happy tbh

[tropic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-arrested-development-gob-buster-bluths-gif-4664279

[icy bramble]

Man I love it

[severe ridge]

go upvote having a back button or macro buttons if you guys want them
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[rigid thicket]

It's so good looking 🥲

[severe ridge]

currently a combo home/back button and no macro

[icy bramble]

Gives me this vibe

I hope the color options are good for the flip 2

Ideally one of them is red and black like that but I'd have a hard time choosing if they also did dark blue and black or any variations on transparent green

[rigid thicket]

I have that exact DSL.

Two-tone is so good.

[icy bramble]

I do too but it's severely broken (no hinge + it fell down accidentally a few years ago and tore the ribbon cable the rest of the way)

It was a replacement I got in 2010 Christmas for a dark blue that also had hinge and screen issues.

I wish I still had that one too but I think it's one of many things stolen out of my room somehow.

[rigid thicket]

No one seems to remember that the DSL had hinge issues for years.
Whole businesses came into being selling replacement shells because of it. 😅

[icy bramble]

[urban jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/orgasm-wrestling-wwe-laser-eye-gif-20111003

[icy bramble]

I'm sure I'll be looking for one if that mythical OLED screen mod comes to be and I do decide to revive mine but if I can I'd at least like to only replace the top screen since that's where all the damage is.

[rustic token]

I mean... DS/L and SP the hinge went on all three if it was in the hands of someone too aggressive like say a child. Not actually sure if it plagues 3ds models though never seen one as floppy as the DS lite / SP sometimes got.

My nephew broke two DSL's, one went so floppy it wouldnt stay open / shut, the other straight up broke on the left side

[icy bramble]

I'm just gonna say I did not abuse my systems, I knew they were too valuable.

[rustic token]

The only handheld failure ive had in my lifetime so far was a gameboy color with a dippy power switch, ive repaired a lot of abused ones though..

[icy bramble]

My first one felt while trying to get inside the house one night, was still able to play on top if I angled it right but eventually I needed to replace it

The second, I actually had this Nerf case put over it and I was on the school bus when I was adjusting the screen and we hit a huge bump and I guess that was just the perfect storm of stress to crack the hinge.

[rustic token]

Honestly the biggest flaw which affects aftermarket DS shells too seems to just be clear plastics...

[icy bramble]

And that one just snowballed from there over time (but I soon after got a 3ds)

https://youtu.be/ZWh8WA_iz5A

What are the odds someone made a video showing the one type I had but couldn't find 3 days ago

[copper burrow]

That was a lot to catch up on

[scenic mortar]

If you want to save time, watch the Retroid vid of the flip 2 on YouTube. That contains most of the information we know.

The only other titbits I know are that there will not be any m1 etc function buttons, they are the same sticks as the rp5, with different caps, and Retroid are claiming to have used a machine to open and close test the hinge.

[severe ridge]

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go upvote the suggestion for macro buttons or a back button

[uncut knoll]

It looks really good

[untold oyster]

Emblem on the back of Flip 2 needs to be removed.

[uncut knoll]

I prefer a clean display of the back

[untold oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/899870033331761173/1342004237277597766/image.png?ex=67b80e57&is=67b6bcd7&hm=4e7741fa44508742daa3278e9cc6282f4eb2b65d0843ba5efe3882b8c9b8e99c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

https://tenor.com/view/sml-jeffy-simon-says-game-playing-simon-says-gif-25676623

[naive blade]

flip 2 has an emblem ??!!

ahh hell nah

[uncut knoll]

Put an sticker of Smash Bros and it will improve

[untold oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-video-game-eating-marshmallow-gif-6008098

[frosty oxide]

I don't know I kinda like the look of it. it kinda looks like something an AI or Skynet would have

[untold oyster]

I guess it looks okay, but it could look much better as a smooth surface

https://tenor.com/view/christianbale-uh-americanpsycho-nod-agreed-gif-9105144771222081620

[uncut knoll]

That serves too

[frosty oxide]

throw some silver buttons on that bad boy you'll have a terminator style handheld

[untold oyster]

Needs to have a metal case too!

[candid sonnet]

Metroid Retroid 😍

[frosty oxide]

and be put on nintendo hit list, since they are going after everyone for bullshit reason. just ask Russ, no thankyou.

[sweet shuttle]

Definitely way too much lol

Standard editions of Nintendo clamshells keep it pretty low-key

That logo is fucking huge

And there's lines coming from extending to the edges of the device

[uncut knoll]

After Nintendo decide to sue a family shop only for having the name "Super Mario".

[sweet shuttle]

I would understand the vision if they got rid of the lines, and made the logo like 60% smaller

[uncut knoll]

Sounds as a joke

[left turret]

The emblem is fire

[frosty oxide]

which nintendo lost the case 🤣

[uncut knoll]

That one

[frosty oxide]

1up for the little guy

[candid sonnet]

I was thinking this was just idea how to customize it 😛 for sure they can't use Nintendo's property

[uncut knoll]

The next thing i expect from Nintendo is to sue the Italian goverment to have control for the name Mario and Luigi

[candid sonnet]

Shit I hope they won't sue me because I have a mustache

[uncut knoll]

The Flip 2 with black colors and the stick and buttoms like the DS or 3DS

[sage moat]

Isnt d1100 better than sd865 if so I'd rather they go with that

[waxen jolt]

in practical use, SD865 is better

turnip ™️

[frosty oxide]

I wouldn't be so quick, you should checkout the ryan retro youtube channel. he been showing alot of the RP5. if the flip 2 has the same as the RP5, you might be amazed at what it can do. Check out the secret console videos.

[sage moat]

I don't use my RP5 for switch but I tried to on my RP4 Pro with some poor results maybe the support got better with drivers? 😅

[frosty oxide]

hey I just saying, if it has the power to do that much. I wouldn't count that CPU out just yet.

[sage moat]

Yeah fair enough seeing BotW running at almost a consistent 30 makes me hopeful for it

[scenic mortar]

About the same, but sd865 is better for switch, if you hate yourself and want to play switch on android.

[wooden phoenix]

Wow drama queen. It isn't that bad. 🤣

[scenic mortar]

Eh, I'd rather not play switch on android than deal with crashes and stuff.

[coral valley]

Yeah the majority of the switch library doesn't have issues. Switch emulation really isn't as bad as it's made out to be

[wooden phoenix]

Cool man. World doesn't revolve around you. News flash. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[wooden phoenix]

People just need to be the biggest cry baby about stupid shit. Lol

[scenic mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatata-babycallboy-babymetal-electriccallboy-kaekitsune-gif-17032616959859306137

[proud siren]

I tried some Switch emulation on the RP4P at launch and almost every 2D title ran fine 🤷‍♂️ (and this was before Sudachi and other forks)

[warped leaf]

on my odin 2, switch emulation is great

either it doesn't open at all or it works and runs perfectly

so it's not super frustrating

[copper burrow]

does need some tinkering but yeah, overall has been okay for me

[steady osprey]

I've almost completed more Switch games on my O2 than my actual Switch 🤷‍♂️

[wooden phoenix]

I've never owned a switch. Everyone complains about how Nintendo acts then gets in line to buy their shit, supporting their behavior. 😅

[rigid thicket]

I mean, just the act of praising/talking about any game that's exclusive on any of their consoles is supporting them.
If you really want to not support you have to never talk about any of those games. (Playing them by whatever means in private is kind of fine since they get no kickback financially or promotionally)

[opaque harbor]

I wonder if we will see a sapphire blue color for the flip 2 🤔

[rigid thicket]

They need to do 3DSXL style clip on shell covers.

Let me customize dang it.

[sage moat]

On the rp4p I tried to run hades I was unimpressed with it 😮‍💨

I do think it probably runs better now though this was like almost a year ago at this point

[opaque harbor]

I don't think switch emulation is advancing currently

[sage moat]

I mean they did put out citron which I heard runs games better

[opaque harbor]

Given Nintendo going around sueing and buying out people working on emulators

[sage moat]

I was using yuzu as it was still being worked on at the time 🤣

[zealous totem]

How long until retroid flip mini

[sage moat]

Hahahahaha

[hybrid viper]

You see the same thing with Nvidia

People will complain all day everyday, on every forum and every comment section and then they're lined up to buy the new thing on day one

Companies do not care how you feel, they only care whether you buy the thing. People know this, but they don't understand it because they don't incorporate it into their behavior.

[wooden phoenix]

All cancelled. Sorry sir

[jagged blade]

Sorry if this has already been answered. Do we know if Macro button are a thing.

[echo lynx]

Switch emulation is great! Better than cemu

[sacred kindle]

People are saying it's not shown on the Flip 2

[jagged blade]

I thought someone asked Chris on Retroid server to conform. Will just wait then.

[tacit latch]

until you play a game for longer than 30 minutes and bump into yuzu's (and their forks) habit of randomly crashing for no reason, often losing your progress

it's a lottery, you can never know which games that appear to work well won't crash after 30m to 1h of gameplay

and even if you do get over that hurdle, there are games that will play for tens of hours only to reach a later part of the game and crash for no reason

see e.g. Russ experience with Sea of Stars

[tacit latch]

no macro buttons, it's not there, we would have seen it by now in the render if it was

[rigid thicket]

People should kick up as much of a fuss as they can, I don't think they're quite at production yet so there's a chance, however small, they can still add them.

[robust wedge]

How are there no macros? Isn't that a downgrade from the OG Flip?

[icy bramble]

They weren't even properly working on the Flip from what I remember

[severe ridge]

Up vote the suggestion to add macros and a back button
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[versed vigil]

Honestly, I’m impressed there’s literally only 1 person doing a thumbs down.

I would’ve expected either none at all, or more than 1. Not literally just 1 guy all alone essentially going “no, we should prefer 1 hybrid button that works horribly with emulators, keep it terrible”.

[plush silo]

Genuinely don't see a reason to be against having extra functionality with more buttons

[naive hollow]

more points of failure?

[versed vigil]

Ok, you need to either:

-elaborate that you’re being sarcastic

-comment that it’s what you think their logic is

-or explain exactly what would cause it to be a point of failure.

[naive hollow]

oh my bad

more buttons could mean more points of failure

[versed vigil]

Explain how.

[naive hollow]

buttons can break?

[versed vigil]

And how does that stop the singular only button on there from breaking, resulting in people being even more screwed than if there were an additional M1 button that could replicate that Back/home buttons functionality.

“Too many Points of failure” makes sense when it’s hinges or other mechanical components that the device outright depends on to stay in 1 piece.

When its buttons, it outright is worse to only have 1 button that can only do 1 function (it can’t double as a separate thing), and to not even have them be separate buttons, much less to have additional buttons to emulate them.

[naive hollow]

apologies for partaking in the discussion

[versed vigil]

It’s fine, I just really do not like when people use the “point of failure” argument for not adding extra buttons, since it outright only works as an argument for hinges or other mechanisms that will outright break the device if it breaks.

[naive hollow]

yeah i know you don't like dissenting opinions

an argument isn't invalid just cuz you "don't like it"

[versed vigil]

I’m fine when it’s not flat out wrong, considering the meaning of “point of failure” is literally a part of a system that, if it fails, can cause the entire system to stop working.

The literal only button that would legit count as a point of failure is the power button.

[naive hollow]

[versed vigil]

You realize you can’t argue against one of the literal rules of engineering and design by saying “well that’s just your opinion man”.

[naive hollow]

☝️ 🤓

[versed vigil]

One of the main rules is to avoid having more failure points than needed, because of the fact that a failure point is literally something that will ruin a device if it fails, hence why the other rule is to always make sure the chances of your failure points are the absolute lowest amount you can manage.

[versed vigil]

Ok, you want me to listen to your “opinion”, then how about explaining it a bit more? Maybe I just don’t understand what you mean, since you so clearly know more than the guy actively studying in mechanical engineering to be this confident on how it works.

[naive hollow]

holy ego trip batman

[versed vigil]

Wow, real original response to someone being pissed at you for talking down to them for the past several minutes.

[robust wedge]

🍿

[jagged blade]

When will this relaese and for how much

[naive hollow]

didn't they say march?

or spring

[versed vigil]

They didn’t say anything yet on that.

[jagged blade]

I meant more speculation of when and price point. Sorry worded it bad

[coral valley]

Preorders start in March I'm pretty sure

[versed vigil]

Right now, I’m just trying to get them to either add M1/M2 function buttons (since Chris did confirm that the Flip 2 didn’t have them currently), and if that isn’t possible, then at least to make it so we can disable the Home function in the button to prevent that from doing the annoying things that all hybrid Home/back buttons do.

[naive hollow]

yeah that's what i heard too

[jagged blade]

I hope do. But I wouldn't be surprise if they don't. The M buttons that is

March equals spring so that makes sense.

[versed vigil]

I think at the very least they can do the disable home thing, but I definitely would prefer if we didn’t have people saying “more buttons are bad” and using a reason that doesn’t even work, since that actively doesn’t help convince them to maybe add it.

[naive hollow]

if it's using the same chip as the 5 then it should only be a little more expensive

~$250 range maybe

[jagged blade]

I am thinking 239 then with shipping 250

Early brid 229

[coral valley]

250 before shipping feels a bit steep

[versed vigil]

I’m thinking around $230-$235, but that would also still result in it being around $250 with minimal shipping.

[jagged blade]

Isn't the RP5 that much?

[versed vigil]

Nope, it’s $220.

https://www.goretroid.com/products/retroid-pocket-5-handheld

[jagged blade]

I think this at lease 20 dollars more.

Do we know if the dock will work with it

[versed vigil]

I’m going by how much more the original flip costed compared to the RP3+, but even that is arguably a bit flawed since the original flip added analog triggers where the RP3+ only had digital triggers.

[naive hollow]

usb placement makes me think yes

[floral pebble]

I think it'll be $179.98

[jagged blade]

They worked on the OG filp for like two years

[vital belfry]

In like 2 years, maybe

[jagged blade]

Taki had early proto types in many of his videos

[versed vigil]

Yeah, no I’m doubting that as well.

[jagged blade]

https://tenor.com/view/i-wish-dreamy-hopeful-if-only-dream-gif-22239214

[ancient robin]

Agree on this, maybe $10 less at most

[versed vigil]

How does that change the logic of the price increase from “horizontal to equivalent clamshell” being the same as the original?

[floral pebble]

The rp5 looks like a portal so it's more premium and costs more, even if the flip takes more engineering

Glass front tax

[jagged blade]

It doesn't but the OG flip was very flawed. If this is only 10 dollars more than the 5. I will be worried about the build quality of it.

[naive hollow]

that's a valid point

[versed vigil]

Ok, that would potentially be the logic for the RP5 costing more if the Flip 2 was made first, but it’s not gonna be the logic for the Flip 2 costing less just because the RP5 was made first.

[coral valley]

The flip 2 is going to cost more because Retroid knows they can

[random tulip]

It's going to cost more than the rp5 purely because it's a more niche device. That's reason enough

[naive hollow]

it's gonna cost more cuz it new

[versed vigil]

Pretty much. In general, no one is gonna make what is arguably a more difficult to develop handheld and then sell it for less than the older one just because it doesn’t look as “premium”.

[random tulip]

The MOQ for the flip 2 is going to be lower than the rp5. Lower scale of production alone will make it more costly

There's really no way around that

Maybe if it was using the s865 and OLED like 2 years from now

[versed vigil]

That I agree on being a potential worry, but I’m just saying that if they already did the work on developing a clamshell design they like and the only things they needed to do now is to adapt it to the new chipset and focus on ensuring the flaws of the first are fixed, then it wouldn’t result in the second one having a bigger price difference, since updating and issues in a general design is easier for manufacturing than making that new design from scratch.

[naive hollow]

who know's maybe it'll be the same price as rp5

[jagged blade]

Maybe they only do a limited run

[rigid thicket]

I've said in the past that we really should've been more sus the OG Flip was only $10 more.

I hope not 🥲

[versed vigil]

Ehh…again, I wouldn’t really say that either. They still are gonna wanna make money off of it, and the clamshell is still gonna be more difficult in general to manufacture than just manufacturing a horizontal.

[rigid thicket]

I mean, I'm day 1 pre-ordering because FOMO either way so I won't miss out 😂

[naive hollow]

I'll be waiting for the trademark retroid launch issues to be fixed before buying mine lol

[versed vigil]

At the time yes, now I’d say it would arguably make more sense, unless they add new things to it like more ram or internal storage.

[random tulip]

I honestly won't be shocked unless it's less than the rp5. I could see them making some case for it being equal or higher. But if it comes in lower with the specs we expect I will definitely let others try it first

[rigid thicket]

I can see it making more sense now yeah, not needing to cut out large glass fronts would definitely help, ahaha.

[naive hollow]

yeah that glass front has gotta be a decent chunk of the price

[echo lynx]

Mhm yaa

[random tulip]

Just depends. Making 100s of them might be costly. 1000s might be not be that bad. They likely outsource production to another factory that specializes in like curved glass phone screens, so at that point it just comes down to order quantity

[echo lynx]

Who gafs if something fails

At least we had the feature and it doesn't cripple the device

[random tulip]

My guess is they produced an ass load of rp5s

[echo lynx]

If there's such a high chance of failure the more buttons to spread it around the better

[severe ridge]

buttons rarely if ever fail anyway

[versed vigil]

Yup, since optional function buttons aren’t points of failure (or at the very least, they’re not the same kind of points of failure that something like the Hinge or power button would be).

[jagged blade]

I haven't had many buttons fail on me. Not something I would worry about

Hinge would be my biggest worry on this handheld.

[versed vigil]

Ok, to offer more elaboration so that people know what I’m actually talking about, since I’m only now realizing the flaw of me not saying this beforehand:

A Single Point of Failure is the name for something that if it fails, will horribly fuck up the device.

Multiple Points of Failure are inherently designed to be points of failure that have to occur all at once for the system to fail (to ensure that if only one of them breaks, it doesn’t actually ruin the device).

Note that you can in fact have multiple “Single Points of Failure”, since the definition is that it’s a singular point that will ruin the device if it fails, it’s not saying that it’s the only point that will ruin the device if it fails.

[naive hollow]

yeah I'm sure they make these devices in batches of 1000s at a time. i boubt they're pushing numbers over the 1000s

which certainly tightens the margins

even more so on a niche device

[versed vigil]

As an example, the function buttons would be an example of “multiple points of failure”, in which case you would want more since that ensures there’s more points that would have to fail for you to lose full physical Android navigation controls (and the last point of failure for Android navigation would be the touch controls themselves, so the only way to completely lose Android navigation is if all the function buttons and the touch screen failed). Meaning having M1/M2, plus separate Home and back buttons, would in fact be better.

[versed vigil]

Meanwhile, you outright want to avoid having any “single points of failure” because…well, because having a single point of failure break means the device breaks.

[versed vigil]

Since this is a clamshell though, and since it needs a power button, that means it will have to have at least 2 “single points of failure”, and the most you can do is ensure that both have the absolute bare minimum chance of failing.

[versed vigil]

And of course, the screen could arguably also be considered a single point of failure for a handheld since, even if you can use tv out, the screen being busted still would mean it’s basically unusable in the way it was meant to be used.

Whoo…I think I finally got it all out of my system.

I will say Sniffer, while it was frustrating, this was nowhere near as frustrating as the SP battery stuff.

God, I still remember some of the advice people were giving that were outright horrible for battery safety.

[echo lynx]

Buuut, if it was a dual screen there would be no single point of failure!!~

[versed vigil]

…You know what, I’m not even gonna argue against that, it is in fact correct that having 2 screens avoids the screen being a single point of failure.

[rigid thicket]

Especially in an emulation machine I guess, ahaha.

[versed vigil]

If it’s the bigger screen, then it will arguably make the experience worse than it normally would be since you’re playing games exclusively on the smaller screen (not the bigger screen that was intended for single screen stuff), but it would still be functional as a handheld.

[formal latch]

It would be nice if we could accomplish that, but at that point, I wish we could push them to add more face buttons instead of the usual 4, as well as macro buttons.
Can't hurt, I've rarely been like "Gee, I wish this handheld had fewer buttons"

Like the Steam Deck has a ton of them, and finding community layouts that utilize them well/better is always kind of nice

[versed vigil]

Welp, if you’re in the Retroid Discord, then you know where to “vote” (where to comment and agree on it, or just leaving an emoji).
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If you aren’t in the Retroid discord, then…I don’t know, tell anyone who is in there and wants the function buttons to go there instead?

[echo lynx]

Remappable are useless

Mappable are nice

[fossil timber]

If this thing has a decent hinge and battery I may wind up replacing my O2 mini, like the look of the thing so far.

[naive hollow]

I'm still on the fence

[fluid stone]

Can you get down from there? My dog is losing his mind

[echo lynx]

Wait for a dual screen

Best of all worlds

[tacit latch]

I don't think hardware changes like that are possible at this stage but a software toggle to make the home button just be back and not hybrid I could see happening

[versed vigil]

Oh I’m aware they’re likely not possible to do it the original method, but I’m gonna mention it since, assuming they’re not at the actual manufacturing stage yet, it would be relatively simple to modify the gamepad to include like 1-2 buttons before actually starting full production.

And even if it is too late, that’s why I’m still mentioning the software toggle in the first place. If there’s anything they can do to ensure it’s not a “Odin 2 Mini not having Local Dimming toggle” level of “very innocuous at first glance, but horrible design in long term practice” idea, it’s them making sure to at least have it be possible for us to disable the home function on that button.

[tacit latch]

there's a bunch of things engineers have to take into account to make space for additional buttons once the product is already designed since e.g. the PCB and the battery are usually tightly packed and leave no extra room on a finished design

so even if they are not manufacturing them it's unlikely that we'll see hardware changes now

[versed vigil]

Yup…except for the bit where they also put the Power button right next to the home/back button and made it twice the size of the other 2, and there’s no visible volume buttons but we can assume they’re on the sides somewhere, which is where the Power Button also could’ve been.

[frosty oxide]

IMO, I believe the hinge will be alot better than the flip. they removed the plastic piece that stopped the flip from opening all the way. which was 90/95% of the issue with the flip. Now the battery life, I believe this is going to be an RP5 in a flip shell with that in mind. it should have a 5000mAh battery, but if they didn't fix the bug issue with sleep battery drain yet. I would say its ok-ish just don't leave in sleep mode for long period of time.

[versed vigil]

Meaning, you also have to worry about not hitting the power button when you’re going for pressing the home/back button. This is obviously not a mistake you can make while consciously looking at the buttons.

You are not likely gonna be looking at the buttons instead of the screen, especially if it’s just the hotkey or menu button.

[tacit latch]

volume buttons are on the right side

we can see them on the teaser video

[versed vigil]

Yup, just looked at it again and was about to add that.

[tacit latch]

the GPD XD+ has this layout (power button on the front) and I never found it an issue during my time with it to be honest

I don't think this will be a deal breaker

[versed vigil]

The GPD XD+ has practically every button on the front, even volume and every android function button you could need. Hell, it even has L3 and R3 buttons due to the fact the sticks weren’t clickable.

The dealbreaker isn’t the power button location, it’s the fact they have the power button there when it could’ve been used for a separate button in the first place.

[naive hollow]

Do we know if the sticks are standard retroid sticks

[frosty oxide]

by standard you mean hall effect, 3rd button clickable. then yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEgqhkwfHQU

[naive hollow]

I mean the sticks used in the retroid 2S and up

[severe ridge]

we are probly RIGHT AT the point its entering mass production, so its a now or never thing for things like button changes

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so speak now or hold your piece 😄

[frosty oxide]

yes its the same, the 2s had hall effect sticks.

[naive hollow]

Cool thanks

[severe ridge]

cereal wtf bro (im not really mad just curious)

[naive hollow]

Wasn't sure if they'd fit in a clamshell

[frosty oxide]

oh sorry I must hit the wrong one, I did it while trying to read a map.

[versed vigil]

Yeah, I already commented on that a while ago. Oh well, at least it seems like it was an outright accident.

[frosty oxide]

no it wasn't

[versed vigil]

Didn’t you say you hit the wrong one when Garathnor showed a screenshot of the emojis for my comment?

Were you talking about his comment instead?

[frosty oxide]

I just cast my vote, for personal reasons yes, but a vote is a vote.

[versed vigil]

Ok now I’m just confused. Did you mean to put the thumbs down on my comment or Garathnor’s? Or someone else’s?

[frosty oxide]

both

[versed vigil]

So then why’d you say you hit the wrong…you know what, forget it, I’ll just take it as the thumbs down on both and leave it at that.

[frosty oxide]

I would

[teal bolt]

I want that Flip 2.

[manic grove]

okay this made me laugh that said don't feel discouraged to participate in these discussions, @versed vigil should've toned it down back there

[naive hollow]

Lol

[manic grove]

late again ik but better late than never

[naive hollow]

Yeah I checked out pretty early in the "convo"

[vital belfry]

If not for you I wouldn’t have seen it, perfect timing

[versed vigil]

Yeah, I definitely let it get to me a bit too much and I should’ve just walked away and recognized it wasn’t worth it.

I get annoyed when people say something that’s not true, and then they try dismissing people that correct them. But it’s best to just not bother since at best, I’m escalating it for no reason, and at worst I’m getting baited into doing it.

[wooden phoenix]

Unless they are doing something new this time...which I doubt, they aren't producing any yet. Theyve always had their pre-orders open and then produce and shop in waves. Then everyone bitches about how long it takes for theirs to ship. Rinse, repeat lol

They don't do it like anbernic where they produce a ton then open orders. Although I wish they did lol.

[severe ridge]

i was optimistic and hoping they would switch to stockpiling

[wooden phoenix]

I wish they would. Made sense when they first got into this niche but by now they should know a guestimate of orders

[versed vigil]

I mean, in this case stockpiling wouldn’t be preferred since it means they can actually edit the design before manufacturing.

[wooden phoenix]

Then again, no. Because retroid always, ALWAYS, fucks up the first batch. It's like their thing

[versed vigil]

They just wouldn’t admit to editing it until they already did it.

[stray dagger]

Kill the Pac-Man

[wooden phoenix]

It was like the ram in the rp5. They were able to change it like right before it was released. Obviously no stockpiling. Lol

[stray dagger]

it was too late for the RP Mini tho

[versed vigil]

Not even, they just decided it wouldn’t be as worthwhile.

And the community not only agreed, but they said the quiet part out loud for Retroid.

[wooden phoenix]

They were able to use the rp5 ram in the mini. And the mini still sold well. Lol

[stray dagger]

I mean, they obviously didn't stockpile the RP Mini, but changing to more RAM probably would have delayed the thing? I don't really care tbh, they barely pulled the RP5 out of an early grave

[wooden phoenix]

I'm gonna play the lotto with the flip 2. Can't wait to see what wave 1 gets messed up 🤣

[stray dagger]

6gb RAM and Android 10 would have been such a big nope for me

[wooden phoenix]

Big nope for everyone. Retroid had to listen or have a complete failure at launch

People are like "android 10 is fine" then in the channel. When will we get that emulator for Android 10? Fools

[stray dagger]

I'm glad all my somewhat modern handhelds are on A13

leaving stuff like the RP2S aside, and even that is A11

they really had guts to announce the RP5 with Android 10

[random tulip]

I was ok playing the miyoo flip lotto

Think I'll wait on this one XD

Unless it's also $80

[wooden phoenix]

I'll pay to play depending on the colors. Usually they have at least one color that entices me. Luckily with the rp5/mini the only enticing color was on the mini and I had no urge to pay for that waste. 😅

[echo lynx]

what happened with the rp5?

i remember seeing threads slandering it for the low ram

what changed

like i saw those pre release

[rigid thicket]

Need more two-tone options
Or mess up my unit with mismatched shell halves 😂

[echo lynx]

you could buy two tone35s

two tone

[frosty oxide]

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. I might be wrong here, but you sure those threads wasn't talking about the mini? The mini was announced before the RP5 was, and shipped out before the RP5. I know the mini was first released with android 10, it just got an update to 13. I don't ever remember the RP5 announced with 10. I heard some reviewers talking about the performance difference between the mini/RP5, but low ram. That could been some of the bugs at the start and updates fix it, or just haters talking smack.

[blazing compass]

I think it's awesome

[gritty kraken]

My only complaint is these obscured videos where we can't even see the whole unit. If it's not ready, don't unveil it yet, and if it is ready, just show us. Hell, the entire Switch 2 was shown from head to toe, port to port in its debut trailer

[copper burrow]

welcome to hype marketing 😄

[stray dagger]

Nope, RP5 initially was supposed to have the same 6gb RAM and Android 10 as the Mini, we just bullied Retroid

[sweet shuttle]

Yup

I'm surprised the price wasn't raised after that lol

I was expecting an extra $10 at least

[stray dagger]

Didn't they raise the price like $5? All those early discounts made me lose track

[sweet shuttle]

Nah it always had $220 as the standard price

A10 and 6 GB RAM wasn't really a problem for the Mini, since AFAIK you'd mainly want it for Switch

But those were very hard sells for the RP5

Since RP4P had 8 GB RAM and an Android version that could emulate Switch

[stray dagger]

I mean sure, A10 and 6gb RAM work in the scope of emulation, but would severly limit the RP5, not only with Switch, but also Android games

It was honestly a bit of a joke, especially at the price point

[sweet shuttle]

Yeah that's what I mean

Nobody would be bothering with Android games or Switch on the RP Mini

Did the Mini's screen problems ever get fixed

[frosty oxide]

ty, I stand corrected. I couldn't remeber if it did or didn't. I just remember there was a massive issue with the mini colors and other stuff with the mini.

[stray dagger]

No clue, couldn't be arsed about the Mini anymore after the screen turned out to be 3.7"

[sweet shuttle]

I don't mind 3.7" in a vacuum, but how it looks on the device without any bezels is really off-putting for me

[frosty oxide]

oh yea the bigger screen, from the 2s. a whole .2" bigger. 😄

[sweet shuttle]

I know they wanted a 4" screen but they couldn't get one

[stray dagger]

Yeah, bezels would have been preferable, to this screen/body ratio

[white prism]

Didn’t think I’d ever want a clamshell but this things growing on me

[frosty oxide]

if you don't like clamshell, and haven't got a RP5 yet. Just get a RP5, so far from what I see. all the internals are the same as a 5, even down to the same screen. Now the sticks covers are different.

[white prism]

Yeah but I think I like the idea of the clamshell now 🤣

[naive blade]

I've decided to create my dream handheld, this is personally endgame for me

[white prism]

See how comfy it ends up being

[sweet shuttle]

Those sticks on the bottom would be hella uncomfortable lol

Snapdragon Gen 2 devices absolutely should have the left stick on top

[naive blade]

I know I know, it's just my personal thing

I play more dpad centric games that analog stick

but I mean if playing on the dpad on my 3ds wasn't comfortable

would would the stick be?

[glossy portal]

I like sticks at the bottom as well, would probably be my endgame as well

[naive blade]

alright I tested it out on my n3dsxl

the analogue sticks would probably be a bit awkward

however the dpad is just as awkward if placed below

I think this might be a problem because of the bottom screen

[sweet shuttle]

Yeah stick placement is fine on the version without the bottom screen

[stray dagger]

rather take the stick on the bottom than the d-pad tbh

you can use sticks with the middle of your thumb if they aren't well placed

d-pad just gets cramped