Lenovo Legion Go 2

[high cypress]

The Legion Go 2 will be my main device

[manic rune]

I have been using my OG Legion Go as my secondary "work" PC - it's up on my work desk on a dock. It's a nice little tablet PC in its own right.

Might be able to scrape up some funds for a Mangmi Air X. Gotta have something else to make videos for. 🤣

[high cypress]

Keyboard and mouse, and have a device more portable than a laptop imho

[long panther]

at this point it's probably only gonna be worth 400 dollars

[proper quest]

True, I might just keep it tbh

[long panther]

I've been thinking of buying a used legion go 1 to use as a cheap mini console kinda deal.

battery life is horrible though, so it might just be better buy a laptop

I can probably get the same preformance for 100 dollars cheaper

[plush acorn]

Full reveal tomorrow? Neat

[haughty hatch]

oled silksong

quiet tdp run 140fps

vrr makes it so smooth

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-boy-comedy-chris-farley-stressed-upset-gif-11704610607797404331

https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/pubs/legion_go_8/user_guide/en/index.html#top

😅 yeah this thing is close to release. User guides are up

https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles_pub/legion_go2_ug_en.pdf

[haughty hatch]

yes

i download driver already

its there on website

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/buy-buy-buy-nsync-bye-bye-bye-music-video-gif-16311429

[versed goblet]

Looks so clean 😍

[bitter flicker]

I'm like this myself, except replace 'Thor' or 'Odin' with 'food'

[haughty hatch]

oled shines in dark environment

[versed goblet]

Meh who needs food 🤣

[bitter flicker]

With the USB4 ports it will make a banger of a server. You can pick up a thunderbolt dock, or at least string a 5GB ethernet for 30 bucks (or a 10GB for 150 bucks). That's what the Legion Go 2 will become when I'm ready to move on

[versed goblet]

Even if i had odin 3 or thor. I think i would still use this more. DS isn’t even an issue thanks to tate mode

[bitter flicker]

My dear god, the music on the videos of handheld and detachable make me want to not buy it, fly to lenovo headquarters, and slap someone in the face

SWEET specs say that there is a 2280 slot for nVME!

4tb is going to be a priority, I hope I can get the 32GB model sans 2TB drive as I'm just going to remove that drive anyway. I'm using this for mocap shoots and can easily blow past 2TB after an hour of filming

[gray wyvern]

Didn’t they say November for the US and October for others?

[versed goblet]

Not sure. I hope its soon. I can’t wait any longer 😫 Go S Z1E is mocking me at the moment. 🤣🤣🤣

Sat there available to buy on the lenovo website

🫠

[manic rune]

To be fair, you can just slap the LeGo on a $29 Anker dock and it's a console - taking up far less space than even a small laptop.

[bitter flicker]

Where did you pick that up? I hope it's earlier for the US, I've been waiting on doing work but don't want to drop money on a laptop if the lego2 will let me do those workflows. I really am hoping to start work in October or sooner.

Understandable if it is later in the US, we done and gone screwed up the America first bit by making, errr, America first.

[gray wyvern]

I’m pretty sure those were the leaks from a week or so back

[haughty hatch]

eu and asia come first

us last

[bitter flicker]

Thanks - you got a link or reference on that? Just trying to plan

[haughty hatch]

its just rumor

wait for tomorrow

but i would be suprised if they give some date

i think tomorrow is only for teaser

[bitter flicker]

That would make sense

[gray wyvern]

Yeah I think the rumors came the same day that all the big leaks started showing up won’t be slide decks and images etc.

It would fall into line with the OG releasing around Black Friday in the US

[plush acorn]

[waxen kiln]

Coincidentally OXP's X1 Air's page went live today. $1300 for Lunar Lake 11" but IPS panel.
https://onexplayerstore.com/products/onexplayer-x1-air-portable-3-in-1-gaming-creator-pc-with-expandable-mini-ssd?variant=51050554491174

[bitter flicker]

I'd be equally excited for that if it had OLED

[plush acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-intensifies-zootopia-intensifies-waiting-impatient-gif-9739240072909568285

[waxen kiln]

Same. I was over the moon when the Super X was first teased... Only to see a 14" tablet instead.

[spark robin]

I love how onexplayer and Ayaneo both have air handhelds.

And they literally mean the complete opposite size wise

[waxen kiln]

Definitely not marketing branding for the weight 😅

[plush acorn]

Light as (a cubic meter of) air

[faint loom]

ROFL

No vrr xD

Just able to switch between 60hz and 144hz hahahahaha

[bitter flicker]

Dude that's almost definitely a typo on the guide - it has VRR according to all of their other promo pictures (incl. Lenovo itself), the prototypes, everything. I wouldn't be so quick to point and laugh on specifics like it's written in stone.

[gray wyvern]

The "typo" has 3 sentences dedicated to it.

[bitter flicker]

I mean it's possible it's only got two modes, sure. But by that definition the steam deck has VRR, as does any device; I'm still saying it's up to a translation error, definitely not enough to come in ROFLing.

That and even though it's a new panel, I can't imagine anyone making a 60 or 144hz only OLED panel.

Plus I forgot the dude's name, but guy from Lenovo that was responding on reddit threads on r/Lenovo was getting ahead of misconceptions all the time as of a few months ago and he didn't correct anyone on VRR.

[gray wyvern]

Yeah the rofl dude is annoying agreed.

[gray wyvern]

They pulled the exact same crap with the original Go. They said it has vrr and then backpedaled. So it is not uncharted territory

Technically the Deck has ARR, as do most panels but the Deck at least does a few different refresh rates and intervals

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, they can be super dumb, but that would be such a screw up for what they'll be asking for it with the tech available on release it would be up there with Lenovo's greatest mistakes ever made. I'd immediately pass on it, and I'm assuming a ton of people on this thread would pass on it as well.

[gray wyvern]

The issue is that OLED VRR is incredibly difficult to do even for experienced panel manufacturers. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it does not have it at all

[rose pier]

Did the Go 1 also have its promotional material saying it had VRR?

[bitter flicker]

It is, but it's also been behind the hype of the lego2 as to why people are willing to pay for it, as there is no other device of this size with OLED VRR.

Even if it isn't though, by 2026 we'll have lots of VRR OLED panels is my guess.

[rose pier]

Wasn't it that they kept claiming it had VRR but then promotional material dropped and no mention of VRR anywhere or am I wrong?

[gray wyvern]

I don’t think we will see them till 2027 if at all

The issue is cost and that they aren’t cross compatible with tablets. So they would be dedicated panels just for handheld gaming and outside of Valve or Nintendo I really don’t see it happening

[bitter flicker]

We'll see. If the lego2 doesn't have it, I'm just going to lay up and get a laptop or try and hold out to see if the Ayaneo Next 2 has OLED. Until then I'll stick with my VRR 14.3 inch OLED on my Samsung S9 U

[gray wyvern]

Yeah, it sucks if after all the hype and promises it doesn’t end up having it but we will find out tomorrow unless they lock hands on from accessing windows settings

Fortunately it’s super easy to tell if it has VRR so we will know either way

[bitter flicker]

It is possible it doesn't come with VRR out of the gate and they add it via firmware down the line, but if that's the case I'm sure they'll state that in the announcement.

As I said before, 60 or 144hz only really sounds like a typo/translation error, possibly more believable if one was directly divisable by the other given panel restrictions (60 or 120). The panel will support anything on the ARR/fixed front, so I can't imagine it having only two refresh rates to choose from. That would be a disaster because I don't know of a equivalent handheld that only offers two refresh rates, especially at 1k+

[waxen kiln]

The Ultra line tablets have VRR?

[bitter flicker]

Yes, S9U onward though I'm not sure if that really translates to anything practical. A.k.a. it has dynamic refresh rate like an iphone/ipad, it'll bump to 120 or in between depending on the content... But the only thing I know that takes advantage of VRR on an android tablet is the Premium tier for GeForceNow, which I don't have and may only be VRR for the PC client, not the Android client.

Even though it's a different panel, I strongly suspect it's the same manufacturer / Samsung Display for the OneXPlayer Super X which will have VRR.

Moonlight/Apollo streaming, which I use all the time, doesn't yet have VRR support.

[plush acorn]

The promo materials here say Variable Refresh Rate: #1317213212239859733 message

Also didn't rusty quest confirm their dev unit has true VRR?

I think the user guide is just written to the most basic user, and they misclassify choosing refresh rate

[bitter flicker]

Didn't even know Rusty had a dev unit, but yeah, that was the discussion - it just sounds like a typo/mistranslation in the guide that was posted today.

[plush acorn]

I thought they did based on things they said

[bitter flicker]

They very well could have, I haven't been keeping up as much as I often do, might do some catch up today

[plush acorn]

I think reviewers already have units. I think ETA hinted at it. So we should know more soon

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, ETA absolutely hinted at it, with that pixelated blur and it being the only other Z2 extreme device we know of. Hopefully the embargo is lifted tomorrow and we get reactions at the time of the announcement.

[plush acorn]

#1317213212239859733 message

[bitter flicker]

Ah thanks! @haughty hatch anything to add?

[bitter flicker]

Hey just saw your YouTube update - great vid

[civic hawk]

Yeah, agreed. Hopefully they learned their lesson from the original LeGo marketing material that also claimed to have VRR. 😆

[glass flicker]

Hopefully the normal Z2 version is $700 to $800

[manic rune]

Wouldn't the most likely thing here be that they copied this from the original Legion Go document and didn't change it? (Assuming what we know about the LeGo 2's panel so far is correct)

[haughty hatch]

5 more hr

[rose pier]

@haughty hatch is the display actually VRR?

[bitter flicker]

This guy says it is - actually a pretty good review for pre-embargo IMO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFOrds3BZDU

[rose pier]

Isn't that an engineering device?

Or it's an actual final unit?

[round abyss]

Yeah he said engineering right at the beginning of the video. I then proceeded to close the video

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951

[haughty hatch]

@rose pier

[rose pier]

Nice, it'd be dumb if the engineering devices had VRR but the actual devices didn't tbh

[haughty hatch]

why wont final unit have vrr lol

[rose pier]

Well it's what this chat and Reddit has been saying these past few hours, due to this

A lot of people are now thinking it might not have VRR and just dual refresh rate

[gray wyvern]

I haven’t seen a blur busters on it but the display can be made to show anything to the driver especially with engineering samples

[gray wyvern]

I checked the Go S manual and it says the same thing, so I wager it’s incompetence

[haughty hatch]

😂 i dont get you guys

if you dont have unit, keep calm

[civic hawk]

I hope the controllers have a higher build quality and feel more comfortable than the OG LeGo. Those were so polarizing.

[haughty hatch]

better uv finish

no fingerprint

but i would put skin on top of it

[rose pier]

I worry about the weight more than anything

[haughty hatch]

930gr

[rose pier]

I tend to play in bed a lot and I don't want my wrists to get really bad pain from constant play sessions

[haughty hatch]

well spread out weight balance

go s is still more comfortable

[rose pier]

I see

[haughty hatch]

better than og for sure

[civic hawk]

Tablet on chest + controllers at sides = super comfy LeGo setup in bed!

Rivaled only by AR glasses. 🤓

[haughty hatch]

having a blast playing silksong on oled

[plush acorn]

It was more comfy when I held it at CeS definitely. Still those stupid side buttons you accidentally press though

[haughty hatch]

it wont trigger anything

only fps mode

[civic hawk]

I hope one day they make different controllers for different playstyles. A right controller with better-placed rear buttons and no mouse, for example.

We’re counting up now, boys!

[spark robin]

https://youtu.be/7OR1cqBf_T4?si=gPlIfj1GtverD_OJ

[civic hawk]

Really cool of them to highlight community mods!

[spark robin]

It was/is a great part of the current Lego.

[rose pier]

Very cool

Although weird that there was no mention of VRR on the display part

[spark robin]

I thought it was weird they gave zero new information

[rose pier]

Yeah

Nothing we didn't know already

[spark robin]

Was hoping for price, or at least release dates

[haughty hatch]

wtf prices

skip

[spark robin]

Yeah....the z2E price is....fine, given the OLED vrr detachable controllers etc.

Z2 is an awful price though.

[versed goblet]

Yeah agree z2 price terrible. But z2e is expected

Time to start saving. Sorry thor/odin3

[spark robin]

Hopefully z2 halves in price in 6 months or something.

[haughty hatch]

goodluck selling z1e 1k

😂

[manic spindle]

https://youtu.be/JUSE0zoWBW0

[spark robin]

I mean, hopefully it's a tariffs thing, and UK prices are more sensible.

Imagine paying $1199 for a z2 non extreme

[versed goblet]

Yeah. Imagine in UK slight decrease in price. Plus check through your work. Mine gives Lenovo discount, even on handhelds

[upper halo]

Those prices are going to be tough for the Us market at least

[spark robin]

I'm a civil servant, best we get is the odd £10 Argos voucher.

[spark robin]

Tech chap video says £1099 for z2e

So not a tariff discount

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-jeff-goldblum-life-finds-a-way-gif-8405245

😅

Hopefully the holy grail of handhelds 🙏

[versed goblet]

If you know anyone who works for emergency services or teachers/uni. They should be able to help you out

They should all have access to Lenovo discount site

[spark robin]

Eh, honestly, even the z2 is about double what I would pay for a handheld, so I am following along more out of curiosity

No rush for me

[manic spindle]

https://youtu.be/9dzDAiLSpaM (Chinese review but more detailed than TechChap, turn on auto translate)

[haughty hatch]

did he say when on asia?

[manic spindle]

Nope

[spark robin]

They are doing a Halloween launch again, just like the Lego 1. So that's an important tradition they are sticking to

[haughty hatch]

2 more month

[versed goblet]

Won’t be doing any actual work today 😅 just going to be sat at my desk watching all these go 2 reviews intensely

[manic spindle]

According to this reviewer who has both the engineering sample and retail unit, he confirmed the mura effect at low brightness has been greatly improved, and speaker quality is better now
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qpaSzYEXU

[haughty hatch]

nice thing

[grizzled trail]

Do we know if the refresh rate can be set to 120hz, or are only options 60hz and 144hz, like the original Legion Go?

[haughty hatch]

no

[glass flicker]

You can build an actual good desktop for $1,300 plus dollars, getting into really stupid territory

Hope it flops hard

[rose pier]

I'm not justifying the price, but as a full time programmer that sits in a desk all day, I'm 0% interested in spending MORE time bound to a desk

[glass flicker]

You can stream your desktop to a handheld designed for streaming

[rose pier]

Why would I do that if I will end up playing on the bed all time anyway???

[glass flicker]

I guess that's only for house use though

Because you get way more performance for your dollar

[rose pier]

I don't play the latest AAA games at all tho

I'm mostly interested on the Go 2 for its versatility, OLED screen and a battery that won't last like an hour

[plush acorn]

$1349…. I…. Uh….

[rose pier]

$1,300 is rough tho I don't disagree with that sentiment

[plush acorn]

I mentally prepared myself to buy this at 1100. Damn that’s a lot

[rose pier]

But the Go 2 is gonna be basically my main PC, laptop, tablet, handheld device, so it's not as hard to swallow

[spark robin]

I use my Lego 1 like that

[civic hawk]

Bonkers pricing. Doesn’t feel like a $500+ upgrade over the Go S.

[glass flicker]

Worst part is that if it doesn't flop the Go 3 is going to be the same or more expensive

[rose pier]

If it flops there won't be a Go 3 I assure you lol

[glass flicker]

This is a growing product space, a major hardware manufacturer isn't going to abandon it

But if it does poorly they might price the next one less expensive

[haughty hatch]

i am no rush getting the final unit

[rose pier]

Companies don't think like that, if something flops their first thought is "well they must not want things like this then, let's stop doing it" instead of "huh I guess they didn't like X thing so let's improve it"

And well I'm not really defending Lenovo but, bigger battery, OLED VRR, dettachable controllers, 32GB RAM. That's not cheap, if they release a cheaper version then they are gonna cut on a lot of these things

[haughty hatch]

if you know factory price, you will be mad

[glass flicker]

I mean whatever man I'm not going to argue about it I think you're wrong but whatever, it's literally double the price of the predecessor

[haughty hatch]

i know but i wont share lol

[glass flicker]

Seems buying second hand when it's cheaper is definitely the play

[plush acorn]

$1455 after tax. Oof

My hype has taken a nosedive

[glass flicker]

I don't feel as bad buying a used Ally X with upgrades for $650 anymore. I bought it thinking the Go 2 was going to be $1,000-1100 and I didn't think the price difference was worth it, so I guess I made a good choice

[plush acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[versed goblet]

I intend on this being my main device, and maybe Y700 for lighter stuff. So i will probs sell most of my collection to fund this

I dont own a gaming pc. So this will be my main pc. So will see what egpu solutions I can get

[latent pulsar]

yeah no way in fuck im paying this price 😂

[latent pulsar]

will you finally sell me your y700 2023? 😛

[grizzled trail]

It's a pricey meat-a-ball

[spring isle]

All these new released handheld are a rip off. Xbox Ally X looks ugly and didnt need massive grips as the original Ally X was comfy. It being larger and heavier atleast they could have put a bigger screen in.

Legion Go 2 is super expensive, while screen upgrade and battery upgrade is nice. This thing is too damn heavy and unweidly to be practical

Even the Ally X was a rip off when the OG Ally can be had for cheap and its so easy to mod with a battery and SSD upgrade. Luckily I managed to purchase a used Ally X for only £530 (to compare a Legion Go 2 is £1100). Ive also saw a used MSI Claw 8AI for £600.

My advice if you want a PC windows handheld now, find a used Ally for dirt cheap and mod it as the battery is terrible. Or if you lucky like me do some hunting and you can find some deals on used Ally X and MSI Claw 8AI

Its probably best to sit this 2nd generation out and wait for the Z3E

[spark robin]

It'll be interesting to see what the used prices on the legion go 2 are like.

[haughty hatch]

the only xbox go 2 and go 2 x that i approve

[round abyss]

MSI claw 8 went to $1300 on Amazon a few days ago. Officially shipping from Amazon so I guess this price doesn't surprise me. Oh well no way in hell would I pay $1400+ for a Z2E chip anything.

[haughty hatch]

you are paying oled

[round abyss]

No your paying tariff gouging

[haughty hatch]

lol

we cant avoid it

[latent pulsar]

oled or not it's still a very high price tag 😄

[round abyss]

OLED panels don't cost that much

This is gouging

The claw 8 started at $899 and the other day msi took it all the way to $1300 officially

Because of tariffs

It's fine though the prices will sink eventually

[coarse pulsar]

With these prices I can also just get a laptop...

899 - maybe 999, but not 1399...

[spark robin]

Sure. And for the price you spend on a laptop you could get a better desktop.

But they are all different things.

[bitter flicker]

It’s absolutely bonkers price. Didn’t think I was going to pass on the go but might do so now

[versed goblet]

Still waiting on UK price. Not expecting it to be as high as US price. But still a fair bit.

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, no fucking way, after taxes it’s basically 1,500. Nope-ing out on this one HARD.

So damn salty on my gov with this tariff thing, pretty sure this would be sub 1k for all, including Europe, without this horse shit. AMD has used the tarrifs to gouge, Lenovo is using it to gouge on top of that, and somewhere in the mix are actual tariffs driving up the price, all landing on the consumer.

[spark robin]

The z2E price seems reasonable for what it is, when you compare it to the released z2E/hx370 handhelds, and take into account OLED+VRR and detachable controllers.

Only $150 difference between the z2 and z2e is bonkers though.

[waxen kiln]

Yea that price is a nope for my use cases. At least Lenovo is known for doing sales.

[bitter flicker]

Unfortunately I can’t wait that long, going to lay up and get something else, and I won’t be getting on sale either ‘cause I can’t afford two of these purchases. I mean for fucks sake, this is literally x3 of the original ally on sale. Crazy.

[spark robin]

Or 3x the original legion go on sale

[versed goblet]

If it is £1099 i can easily deal with that 😅

Ad is coming along on UK site

[spark robin]

Should be, it's basically a direct conversation of the USA price. Just that they pay tariffs and we pay vat.

[versed goblet]

If its 1099 for Z2E 32GB. Im buying day one

[spark robin]

In random YouTuber guy I have never heard of before, we trust 👍

[versed goblet]

I hope so 🤞

[spark robin]

Still waiting for it to go on sale in Currys or whatever though.

[versed goblet]

Well i need it through lenovo site to get workplace discount 😅

Should be about £900ish after discount

If that is the price

[spark robin]

You can sign up for a notification here.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/coming-soon/coming_soon_laptops/legion-go-gen-2/len106g0004?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252F

[waxen kiln]

Going back to the backup, non OLED, option?

https://onexplayerstore.com/products/onexplayer-x1-air-portable-3-in-1-gaming-creator-pc-with-expandable-mini-ssd?utm_source=media&utm_campaign=x1air&variant=51050554491174

[bitter flicker]

Hahahaha, was just looking at that.

One of the main things the lego2 had for it was that I could get it from Best Buy and had a 60 day return policy.

[waxen kiln]

True. The retail warranty is big.

[bitter flicker]

But it's mostly just laptops I can get form there and at most I'd be using a laptop once a week (for crucial stuff, but I just wouldn't use it for anything else)

Honestly I don't know if I'd end up using an LCD panel at all beyond work. I tried with the lego1 and just couldn't do it.

[spark robin]

https://x.com/carygolomb/status/1963925639787864265

Cary Golomb (@carygolomb)

Apologies! Saw $1100 on the previous tweet which was for the Z2 version!

That is very high for what is effectively Z1E.

$1350 for Z2E is a bit "high" for Z2E or HX370 like device.

Typically the cheaper end for HX370 would be $1200.

X · Sep 5, 2025, 11:22 AM

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, no shit it's very high. It's ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I'd pick it up for 1,099 pounds if that is what it is in the UK but it's still ridiculous

Honestly before finding out this price I hadn't imagined being shaken off this product I was so amped for it.

[bitter flicker]

Right mate. Ayaneo Flip 1S. Let's discuss. What is this threads thoughts on that device?

https://youtu.be/8tUZ1vGed8s?si=3eMkpLfAKNGVIQI2

Very good take

[round abyss]

Battery life is abysmal on the flip 1s. If that doesn't bother you then it's pretty nice

[bitter flicker]

Thanks. I don't care much about battery life but good to know.

A little concerned with product support / how the hinge will hold up

[round abyss]

There will be a big used/open box buyers remorse market for the legion go 2. Not to mention sales or price fluctuations.

If you can be patient you will save a ton of money.

I'm not in any rush but still disappointed in the pricing.

[bitter flicker]

I agree, unfortunately I've been needing a laptop for work related stuff for a while now and was holding out for the lego2, so I can't afford to wait.

[round abyss]

It's a buyers market right now for laptops. Some insane deals out there

I feel bad for people thinking the OLED vrr screen is the reason for this costing so much LMAO

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, I just won't use it outside of once a week though - paramount for the work I'm doing but I won't be using a laptop beyond the 'on site' work

[round abyss]

There's quite a few 32 GB handhelds out there. Hx370 imports. Or something like the Claw 8 if you find one used for like $800

[bitter flicker]

The only reason this costs so much is greed. Stupid US politics a close second, but it's just greed / everyone taking advantage of the tarriff chaos to gouge. US may be getting the [deserved] worst of it right now, but it'll creep up to everyone else I'm afraid.

[round abyss]

100% it's gouging that was my first reaction.

Gouging on all fronts

[haughty hatch]

blame ben

lol

[bitter flicker]

That's what I'm looking into. Doubt I'll use it that much as I'm so much into OLED, but yeah, spending the morning figuring out a new move.

[round abyss]

It is DOA because the enthusiast market does not pay your bills

[haughty hatch]

i like lenovo going premium

[gray wyvern]

Even still, you are looking at $550 over Go 1 for the Z2E model. That’s not going to be made up by open box sales lol

[haughty hatch]

i dont like these kind of people get it

only for enthusiast

[round abyss]

Even open box it will still be a rip off.

Just not a $1400 rip off

But given time we shall see

[gray wyvern]

My guess is that they didnt move nearly enough Go models originally so they are producing less models and selling at a higher price to offset

[long panther]

100 dollar discount "no low balling"

[gray wyvern]

Might end up being like the Claw where they are difficult to get and generally hold value

[round abyss]

Yep low production and tariff uncertainty are all playing a big role here

[latent pulsar]

almost as if economic things have consequences

[round abyss]

I've seen Claw 8s open box as low as $780

Yeah the s*** finally hit the fan and it's very stinky

[spark robin]

Og claw was my favourite for second hand sales.

No-one wanted it, so second hand it was going for less than half retail price at one point

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, that Reddit sub is not happy right now

[gray wyvern]

Blame the leakers lol

[haughty hatch]

gonna put more salt on reddit

[round abyss]

It's not going to take much to get people pissed off at this point

There were a lot of people anticipating a much lower price

[bitter flicker]

Eh, we've all been watching in horror as this plays out; and while the US gov is what sparked this off, I put equal blame on AMD and Lenovo for gouging. It sucks all around / economically we shouldn't be here, this was spurned by policy and driven by greed.

[bitter flicker]

That's like throwing a handful of salt into the sea.

[round abyss]

The Z2E was supposed to be the affordable version of the hx370 as well.

[long panther]

It didn't get a good review by russ

[bitter flicker]

The Z2E is one of the most unimpressive gen upgrades we have ever seen. I get that it does things better at low wattages, but what AMD is charging for it compared to what they charged for the Z1E is absolutely bonkers.

[proper quest]

Yeah this price is insane

1100 for a z1e?

[haughty hatch]

1349

you are wrong

[spark robin]

It didn't get a good review from anyone. Given it was the worst and most expensive big corpo handheld at the time

[proper quest]

?

[round abyss]

yeah I think the Z2 16gb is almost more insulting haha

[haughty hatch]

oh z1e = z2

sorry

[gray wyvern]

At least throw 32GB into it

[round abyss]

Exactly

[gray wyvern]

Especially for $1100 lol

[haughty hatch]

is it confirmed to be same?

[gray wyvern]

The funny thing is that the $1479 model is the one to buy

[haughty hatch]

z2 = z1e?

[gray wyvern]

Yes

[round abyss]

Yeah

That's just mean

[haughty hatch]

whelp

amd being amd

[gray wyvern]

AMDs original press conference said as much when they launched the Z2 line

[bitter flicker]

I think what is also crazy is that these things can't do FSR 4.0

[proper quest]

Ayaneo sold the 8840u flip 1s for less than this

[long panther]

Is seems like the steamdeck oled is still the best pc handheld to buy, it's the only one with a reasonable price that actually has a good battery life

[stark ginkgo]

Dude the tariffs are like 30% of the price on electronics now aren’t they?

If this was priced 30% lower wouldn’t you say it’s fine?

[gray wyvern]

IMO that shifted to the Go S for me personally due to the larger screen and VRR.

Unless OLED is the only selling point, I think it’s the better buy

[bitter flicker]

It's whatever Lenovo and AMD want them to be to be honest. It's just a good excuse to permanently drive up prices on the industry. I think Dave2D said it best in his Lego2 review, these things are so far off from the SteamDeck they're just different devices and back to what it was before the steam deck was released

[gray wyvern]

And being able to get Z1E for another $150 or so really pushes it over the top as my favorite handheld out there right now

[long panther]

Doesn't the Go S have a typical pc handheld battery life?

[round abyss]

Yeah it's like 55whr

[stark ginkgo]

It’s a 30% sales tax. There is nothing lenovo or amd can do about it

[long panther]

In my opinion if you actually want to use handhelds as handhelds. No wires, no powerbanks, just carry around a handheld with you like any other device. You gotta get the steamdeck oled. It's the best value. If you're gonna be using your handheld at home anyway cause of the battery life plugged in why not just play on your tv?

[haughty hatch]

16gb for 1.099$?

nah lenovo is cooking

[round abyss]

Yeah it's comically bad pricing

[haughty hatch]

i am bit shocked

[stark ginkgo]

845 plus new American VAT

[haughty hatch]

should be 999

[gray wyvern]

$899

[long panther]

So everyone has to suffer because of the USA? 🥰

[stark ginkgo]

My biggest question is whether they’re gonna try to overcharge Canadians to match prices even though we don’t pay those taxes

[stark ginkgo]

The eu price is lower and includes VAT

[bitter flicker]

Naw mate they can do a ton; maybe not immediately, but there is a lot more wiggle room than they'd have you believe. Samsung still has a lot of chinese manufacturing and Korea isn't fairing a lot better with tarrifs and they've managed to hold the line, a lot of chinese manufacturers have held the line or only seen a 5% to 10% increase, etc. There have been numerous reports even before trump was in office and the tarrifs hit of AMD gouging on their new gen of chips.

I'm not saying it's insignifigant, but I don't buy, at all, to any extent, that their hands are tied to having this device at 1,350 for the lowest Z2E model.

[long panther]

well usually it seems like the items just stay around the same number but get converted to euros which obviously raises the price

[stark ginkgo]

People are slowly raising prices to avoiding tanking sales and with the hope this mess gets cancelled, but in the long run a 30% added tax will raise prices by 30%.

[gray wyvern]

Production is difficult, production in a market where tariffs are thrown around because a Cheeto had a tummy ache is even worse. Unpredictability is a supply chain killer.

Not to mention the original Go didn’t sell for a crap, so I wager production of the 2 is far lower then the OG and they are making it up in margins.

[sharp socket]

Who knew how good we had it 2-3 years ago

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-gif-4492308

[bitter flicker]

I agree with that, but when those tarrifs dissapear you think they'll all reduce everything by 30%? No, they'll offer a 5% discount and say they're Jesus re-incarnated.

There are no twisting arms here, these Mofos don't have an issue raising prices by 30%, they were waiting for an excuse.

[stark ginkgo]

Covid didn’t exactly help with supply chains and inflation either so maybe wish to go back to 2019

[round abyss]

The problem with all this is that people just stop buying s***. That's what ends up hurting things the most.

[bitter flicker]

I think everyone expected a price increase. Double is too much / insane / not-justifiable.

[round abyss]

Yeah if you look at most electronics they certainly did not go up 30% overnight LOL

In fact most things are still on sale LOL

Lenovo and AMD just stuck the knife in all the way at once

[gray wyvern]

I’d argue the opposite.

People don’t stop buying, they just pay more and hold the bag for the tariffs that are just taxes with extra letters

[round abyss]

The people I know that wanted this are absolutely not buying it now that's just an example

I had quite a few messages this morning LOL

So all those people that were on board are no longer on board spending money or interested and are now going to move on

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, again, pricing going up, especially with the tarrifs sucks but is understandable. I don't think anyone is arguing against that.

But to think that AMD and Lenovo aren't taking advantage of that or to think that they're forced at these prices is absurd. They are taking advantage.

I mean it is what it is, I just won't buy it. I would say 'out of protest' but it's because I can't afford this shit at 1,500 USD after taxes.

[round abyss]

Exactly and that's the average person's reaction nope no thanks see you later good luck I'll find something else

[bitter flicker]

As per always, pleasure discussing with ya'll, but I've got a meet-up to go to and a pillow to scream in.

[round abyss]

Most people aren't going to sit around and wait for a deal

[latent pulsar]

Thank god its not something we need to live

[round abyss]

Yep that's why I can wait LOL I've got plenty of other devices to keep me happy

[bitter flicker]

Well, errr, have you seen grocery prices? Even the oil change on my car was jacked up the other day and the dealership said it's only going to go up from there.

[round abyss]

I wanted one. Just not $1400 wanted one

Yeah but things go up and down. Eggs were like $7 and now I get them for $3.19.

The current situation sucks. But we really don't want to argue politics in here it just gets so ugly

[long panther]

prices are creeping into gaming laptop terretory

[stark ginkgo]

Yeah, the good news is with electronics the inflationary pressures of the tariffs and associated recession are partially countered by slumping demand from everyone being broke. The same can’t be said for things you have to buy…

[proper quest]

They're already there tbh

Which, tbf comparing apus and dgpus isn't the most fair comparison, but at a certain point $1400 to play recent games at maybe medium settings 800p just doesn't make sense

[round abyss]

Yeah I think if this was a doubling of performance over the previous chipset the argument wouldn't be so strong about the price. This isn't that. Not even close.

If they slapped in the HX 395 and wanted $1400 I'd understand

This is 10-20% more on a good day

Or $1099 for the Z2 16gb which is just criminal

[haughty hatch]

gpd win 5 more appealing?

[round abyss]

I think I saw the price leak on that and it was like $2,500 LOL

[haughty hatch]

crushed z2e

$1800

or less

[round abyss]

$2450

[haughty hatch]

whelp

[round abyss]

At least the picture of the leak I saw but that may have been a placeholder

[long panther]

I've spent 500 dollars on a gaming pc to have twice the gpu preformance as the z1 extreme

from that money I even got an 2tb m.2 ssd for it

[swift quiver]

Even the best buy 12 month interest free option doesn't look great with this pricing.

[round abyss]

No at this price it's hard to make sense no matter how you look at it. Especially if you don't keep things very long and you're going to take a loss on selling it.

The used market is where I'm at on this one. After Christmas early February there will be a bunch of used ones or deals. I can wait

[proper quest]

Yeah custom screen and all but how do you make ayaneo look reasonable in comparison

[round abyss]

Yeah it's a sad day in handheld history when you make Ayaneo look good

[haughty hatch]

for people who are crying about vrr yesterday

told ya

same with my unit

[long panther]

that's quite the range

[haughty hatch]

you wont get it on ally

that's why its expensive

[round abyss]

Haha

[swift quiver]

As someone who has had a HX370 and the Intel equivalent. I'm not really seeing the value add of these new devices over the Z1E/8840 devices. Like 10%-15% increase is nice but not for double or triple the price.

[long panther]

Used Allies are amazing value, but it's just hard to recommend cause of the micro sd card issues.

you can get them for like 310 dollars

okay hold up

converted currency wrong in my head

345 dollars

still great imo

[round abyss]

There's plenty of great handhelds out there if you hold out for the right price. I've seen Ally X for $450

I guess it just depends on what you want or need.

[long panther]

450? That's crazy cause where I live on facebook marketplace people are trying to sell them for like 780 usd.

[round abyss]

Yeah Facebook Marketplace sucks even where I live. But sometimes you can find super deals. The problem is you have to be fast

[long panther]

yeah and that's like not even the highest I've seen

I've seen many people trying to sell their ally x for 900 dollars

Which, I mean wasn't that like the retail price?

I get that countries have vat, and my one is especially high but if you bought the device from a greedy reseller that's on you

[versed goblet]

£1099 in UK is pretty decent. Not sure of EU prices. But it’s a shame that US has to suffer due to tariffs.

[knotty bone]

Felt

[long panther]

Do yall think in 2-3 years we'll see the legion go 2 for 500 dollars on the used market?

[round abyss]

For sure in that amount of time

That's a long time for technology

[long panther]

isn't the ally aready like 2 years old?

[round abyss]

Yep

Same with the legion go

[proper quest]

That's $1290 us dollars though, not that big of a difference

[long panther]

what I find interesting is that since the legion go 2 will have a flat back telescopic controllers will be able to fit it so potentially in the upcoming years we could see dpad on top controller options releasing that can be used with the go 2 in case you wanna play 2d or simply dpad centric retro games

[spark robin]

It's inclusive of our 20% tax (vat)

[long panther]

this potentially makes the detachable controls handhelds the most versatile among the competition

don't like the joycons? just get a better one

[round abyss]

I'd be okay if it didn't have detachable controllers because over time they loosen up

If you watch the tech chap video you realize that the quality isn't all that great on the mechanism they use either. I have a legion go currently but I never remove them so it's still pretty solid

[spark robin]

If they loosen up you can contact Lenovo and get replacements for free in a lot of countries. Seen loads do it.

[proper quest]

Actually I did the conversion wrong, it's around $1400

[long panther]

huh, so it's worse than nintendo's solution?

[round abyss]

Yeah but we only get that one year warranty in America I believe you guys get 2 automatically? Don't you

[gray wyvern]

Seen the price of OJ lately :kek

[gray wyvern]

No

It’ll take a lot longer to hit 500 on the used market.

OG Gos are 400-500 at 2 years old now and launched at a far cheaper price

[mortal plover]

Aren't there handhelds with the hx370 chip in them for a similar price? I realize it won't have detachable controllers and an inferior screen but I could live with that.

[haughty hatch]

https://x.com/_BenjaminGreen/status/1963926318115897608

Ben Green (@_BenjaminGreen)

The actual dream

X · Sep 5, 2025, 11:24 AM

[round abyss]

Yep there's plenty in the same price range

[haughty hatch]

vrr confirmed

[round abyss]

That whole speculation started because the original one was said to have VRR even in the marketing materials and then it turned out it didn't. But we saw from the engineering samples like yours that it did and there would be no reason for them to remove it at the last moment lol

I think people were just spreading crap just to spread it.

[haughty hatch]

i have confirmed since yesterday

[round abyss]

Some people just like to create rumors to get other people upset and they have no intention of even buying the device to begin with

This happens at the launch of like every device I'm looking at LOL

It doesn't take much to get people angry about something that they are drooling over

I think the price announcement took away all the worrying of VRR away instantly

[haughty hatch]

yep

price is losing everyone's minds

[gray wyvern]

Tbf it wasn’t a rumor. A rumor is unsubstantiated information.

The actual material from Lenovo in the owners guide is what’s wrong lol. Can’t fault people for going off of that

[round abyss]

No the rumor was about the new one not having it LOL

[gray wyvern]

That’s what I’m talking about

[round abyss]

People started saying that the new OLED one was not going to have vrr that was the rumor

[gray wyvern]

The Legion Go 2 owners guide says it has 2 FPS/Hz settings and you can switch between them. That’s it

[waxen kiln]

The classic "Taking Price" business approach. Just like when post-pandemic supply chain disruptions had settled down, companies saw they could still raise prices and cite "supply chain" and continue to see net profits increase.

[waxen kiln]

If LeGo 2 came out during CES 2025, beginning of the year, I could rationalize a $1.3K, heck $1.5K price tag on bleeding edge tech.

It's now nine months later... My mental max was $1.2K and they still jumped over that. You ain't Ayaneo/OXP, Lenovo!

[mortal plover]

Eating popcorn while reading through this with my MSI Claw 8 AI

[haughty hatch]

lenovo is becoming ayaneo

[proper quest]

Msi claw 8 ai is a pretty good value all things considered

[haughty hatch]

told ya

[mortal plover]

One ayaneo is already enough

[waxen kiln]

Where's my Early Bird IGG/KS discount, Lenovo?!

[mortal plover]

With the borked thermal pads to go with it

[spark robin]

Lenovo are a proper company, they don't do early bird IGG

[gray wyvern]

They did.

It was called the Legion Go 1

Now you can buy it with fixed ergonomics, fixed battery, fixed NVME, fixed screen all for another $300

[round abyss]

Yeah and I'm using my legion go with a 81whr battery and 2280 SSD. So I fixed some of it myself LOL. I tried every other handheld PC that I wanted to including hx370. I was looking forward to Legion go 2 but man that price just killed my hype.

[mortal plover]

For the price, aokzoe A1X is my end game handheld. Good luck Lenovo

[round abyss]

The A1X is very legit. I wish we got that in America for a reasonable price. I almost snagged they used one on eBay when I saw it for a reasonable price

That thing definitely covers all the bases with the chipset and the battery, screen

[mortal plover]

Honestly I probably did not need to purchase one but fomo with tariffs (got slapped a bit by then still) and wanting to have a handheld that checked all the boxes when it came to portable PC gaming, I took the plunge.

[round abyss]

When the original pre-order went live and they had the early bird prices I was already to pre-order and then tariffs came into the equation and I backed out

In hindsight that was a bad move because I would be loving it today lol

The MSI claw 8 is also an awesome alternative to that because it has essentially the same specs battery etc

But I need Bazzite support

[plush acorn]

I sold a claw 8 recently. Now kinda regretting that move

[gray wyvern]

Yeah, Bazzite or SteamOS are must haves for me

[round abyss]

Yeah I'm looking at some used ones now LOL because of the price of everything

[gray wyvern]

I still need windows because of so much great indie gamepass stuff but Steam is so nice for everything else

[round abyss]

And bazzite I need that because instant sleep and wake

And I end up dual booting

[gray wyvern]

Yeah I’m dual booting my Go S now

[knotty bone]

Wouldn't surprise me. Lenovo stuff usually tend to start overpriced, then become more reasonable over time, heh

[mortal plover]

Crazy to think the claw 8 AI was originally $899

[round abyss]

Yeah I think the price is going to fluctuate by a couple hundred myself

[gray wyvern]

And that was high

[round abyss]

I know I made that comment earlier and a couple days ago Amazon listed it for $1373 I think

And that was the official price shipped and sold from Amazon

[mortal plover]

Simpler times 😛

[plush acorn]

Amazon prices aren’t necessarily accurate. Coulda been another seller via the same listing? It still shows 999 at Best Buy (though it’s out of stock again)

[mortal plover]

Also depends if it's a reseller on Amazon or not

[round abyss]

No it's the new official price from Amazon shipped and sold from Amazon buying direct from MSI

And Best buy and Walmart prices they never have them in stock and the price never changes

[gray wyvern]

Bestbuy had it a few weeks back

[round abyss]

Yeah I mean in stock on the regular

Amazon has them almost daily

[gray wyvern]

I think Amazon and Walmart drop ship but Bestbuy doesn’t tend to do that. Probably why.
But June 4 isn’t right. I saw it like 3 weeks ago

[mortal plover]

Got my claw by Walmart for MSRP. Good times.

[round abyss]

Amazon was $999 like a week ago then it shot up overnight. And I thought for sure that was a third party reseller but it was shipped and sold from Amazon which means it's direct from the manufacturer

I guess that's why I wasn't shocked by the price of the Legion go 2

I guess this is where we're headed for now

[mortal plover]

PC handhelds were fun while they lasted.

[round abyss]

I know the Steam Deck Bros will be out in force now

[gray wyvern]

Just wait till the price hikes hit them

[mortal plover]

"dude, just get a steam deck"

[round abyss]

Yeah what does the world look like when a steam deck is 30% more expensive

I honestly don't think that's going to happen though because they can offset the cost to some degree

It's not like All electronics went up in price 30% across the board either

[spark robin]

Legion Go S is cheaper than a base steam deck in the UK anyway

[mortal plover]

Valve using the deck as a vessel for people to buy games will always be to their advantage when pricing the next steam deck. Hopefully.

[gray wyvern]

I won’t be surprised if the SteamDeck doesn’t become a one off effort

[round abyss]

Be honest I won't either because that's Valves way mostly.

And as the market becomes more saturated with handheld PCs the less likely of a steam deck 2

[mortal plover]

They could just continue to partner with Lenovo with future handhelds and still make money

[plush acorn]

Not msi

[round abyss]

Yeah the official one shipped from Amazon and sold from Amazon is not in stock at the moment I will send you a screenshot when it is

[mortal plover]

Ferms be greedy

[round abyss]

I looked at it over and over at that $1373 price

Trust me I know about third party sellers on Amazon LOL

It's the first thing I look for when I see a price jump

[plush acorn]

But did you expand the selling options? This one says msi store on the listing.

[round abyss]

Yes

[gray wyvern]

Yeah that’s the thing.

The deck was a vessel to get SteamOS off the ground since no one would take a chance on it without them having it fully baked.

Now just partner with companies and support the platform going forward. Far less risk and the same reward

[round abyss]

And this will only show prices from the official stores not from third party sellers

Otherwise that listing would be 400 miles long from all the third party sellers

[waxen kiln]

What plugin/extension/app is that?

[plush acorn]

I’m still not convinced. One Amazon price isn’t enough to be more than speculation at a price increase

[mortal plover]

Why not just go to the link and see the full product description? 🫤

[round abyss]

It's called the instock and it's on the android store. It's how I found my 5080

The official Amazon listings disappear when they don't have it in stock

[waxen mantle]

I do think this device is pretty close to perfect, it addresses any issue i had with the lego 1, which was an amazing device.
The price is rough, but i just put that out for a flip 1s, knowing fully that it's plagued with issues, smart me would cancel and just buy this.

For this price though, my eyes start to drift toward that weird 3d absxylute monstrosity honestly, for a few bucks more I could have the dumbest novelty ever.

[waxen kiln]

Correct, it's not the "official" price per MSI. But that's just the reality when there's no MSI stock currently #LunarLakeChipSupply.

Looks to have started only in September too.

[waxen kiln]

lol. I thought the Abxylute 11" was ridiculous in price but now it's getting normalized especially given its other unique features. Still, OLED is king for me personally.

[waxen mantle]

haha totally agree, but man, I will have my eye on a used one of those for sure

[round abyss]

I know I really want to go OLED or not bother with anything

[faint loom]

Msi a8 in germany 999€ on multiple websites

[round abyss]

Yeah I don't know why Amazon specifically shipped and sold from raised the price to $1373.

Because they deal directly with the manufacturer

Even the Amazon resale prices shipped and sold from Amazon all went up

[faint loom]

Lol

I guess i wait for ayaneo next 2 specs and price

Lego2 not worth it for that bad Performance uplift

[round abyss]

oh is that the HX 395 one?

[faint loom]

Yes

[round abyss]

Like the Kun 2 essentially

[faint loom]

We will see

[round abyss]

Yeah I wonder what insane price they will ask

[faint loom]

If i can get the 395 for 1.8k max its very good deal

[round abyss]

The leaked price on the GPD Win 5 was $2450 haha

[faint loom]

Ufff

[round abyss]

So yeah I don't know if they were just smoking crack at the moment or if that's what we should anticipate for handhelds with that chipset

[faint loom]

I hope its fake

[faint loom]

Ouch

[round abyss]

Yeah that makes my butt sore just looking at it

[spark robin]

That was when the website had it up briefly

[faint loom]

They want so much money just because its small Form factor

[round abyss]

That chip is so ridiculous

[faint loom]

The gpu is so bad compared to Desktop gpus xD

[round abyss]

Yeah It doesn't hold the candle to desktops but in a handheld..

[faint loom]

I guess they overcharge also because of this ai shit

[spark robin]

About 1080ti level of performance.

[round abyss]

That's why there's no price justification for the legion go 2 no matter how you look at it. The performance is just not there for the asking price

[faint loom]

Plugged in a 395 handheld can easily get 80%+ fps than z2e

I rly wanted a handheld because im traveling a lot because of work and sitting in hotels. So being perma plugged is no problem. I just hate Laptops xD

[waxen kiln]

Time to settle with an OXP X1 😛

[faint loom]

That thing is ugly as hell xD

[gray wyvern]

Yeah it’s like if Valve charged $750 for the Deck OLED.

Screen is good, but not that good

[manic rune]

It's amazing how Lenovo just murdered any hype for the LeGo 2.

[knotty bone]

Yeah, gonna hate all the "we told you so" people

[haughty hatch]

murdered any hype?

[knotty bone]

I can wait, admittedly; I've see enough things from Lenovo that start overpriced (coughMotorolaphonesandThinkPadscough), then a year or two from now, the prices go down to much more acceptable levels

[haughty hatch]

is it doa?

[knotty bone]

The original Legion Go is oddly an exception to that rule

[manic rune]

$1350 is really steep - they're going to get nailed just like MSI did with the original Claw. Especially if ASUS prices their new devices right ... or at least better.

[waxen kiln]

This just gave MicroSus the room to increase prices 🙁

[mortal plover]

i'd suggest wait for those best buy and amazon price drops during the holiday times, that extra $100 can go a long way

[gray wyvern]

Especially since it isn’t launching for 2 months

[mortal plover]

day 1 buyers are just unpaid QA testers anyways 😛

[fossil cloud]

It looks like it's shipping with a 2242 not a 2280 nvme as well- jeez does it even support 2280?

[gray wyvern]

If it’s like the Go S then it’ll support 2280 but ships with an adapter for 2242

It’s stupid but it’s also Lenovo so par for the course

[manic rune]

Can't imagine that the Xbox Ally X will be QUITE this pricey.

[plush acorn]

Yes, the materials state that it supports both

[plush acorn]

Just watched this. Yeah, nice rational take.

[bitter flicker]

I think something else to note is the confusion on max brightness. It does seem to be 500 nits, not 1000.

[haughty hatch]

if you enabled hdr

you get extra brightnes

its real 1000 nits

[bitter flicker]

I'll trust you as you've got a unit, but Dave2d and one other one reported 'max brightness of 5xx' nits. Don't know if they measured it or not, but it wasn't a regurgitation of PR as they had like an odd number that insinuated someone measured it.

[plush acorn]

Fun watching the internet implode over this. Every top youtube comment is about the price.

[haughty hatch]

watch chinese review

its more complete

[hoary gorge]

are people tired of price creep yet? maybe we need some lower end chips after all

[plush acorn]

z2e isn't enough performance jump for the price. z2 isn't a low enough price for the not-jump in performance.

[haughty hatch]

i'll get z2e

just waiting for asia release

[plush acorn]

Still debating picking one up to try and probably return lmao

[proper quest]

Do it so I can get an open box deal

[bitter flicker]

As it should be. I'm happy that is the reaction as opposed to just choking it down like so many do with other devices (bitch and moan, bitch and moan, product comes out, they buy it and justify the purchase by saying 'it's actually worth it')

[bitter flicker]

This is where Best Buy comes into play IMO. No one there gives the slightest of shits if you return anything at the end of the return window, and with the 35 USD a year 'membership' you get a 60 day return window.

Returned my lego1 with them multiple times (was trying to get it working with my workflow but 16GB didn't cut it)

[plush acorn]

yeah i have the membership

I bought the windows lego s z2g, returned it, bought the steam one open box later

[bitter flicker]

That is the way

[plush acorn]

I also 'rented' the ally x

I'm curious if they shut you down after too many returns or not

[manic rune]

If there's one thing more interesting than "VRR OLED", it's "almost $1500 with tax".

[mortal plover]

I have a family member who got black listed from best buy, I still give him shit for it

[bitter flicker]

I think it'll be a while before they tighten it up. Sure some go nuts with it, but they don't won't to lose those memberships and probably have a very high tolerence.

Tightening up the 30 day return policy for those who don't pay for membership may be in the cards tho; Home Depot and others have been on that path for the past few years.

[mortal plover]

purchased several open box laptops to test them out first hand and returned the ones he didn't like. Could be argued they were already opened box so who cares, but BB was not too happy

I think his ban was lifted though so it was just temporary

[plush acorn]

So reading some reddit comments, it appears they used to use a 3rd party company that tracked stuff and flagged excessive returns, but they don't work with that company anymore and the system doesn't necessarily flag you anymore. So seems like it's actually less likely now than a few years ago.

[mortal plover]

That's what they want you to think

[plush acorn]

I mean, if i get banned from best buy returns I'll just have to stop consuming. OH NO

lol

[bitter flicker]

I mean with the pricing of these devices, Ima gunna return the damn things if it isn't perfect for what I need. Lord knows I've bought plenty of shit from BB I didn't end up using or was total shit.

Their lines still are going up exponentially, and like @plush acorn says, the alternative is I just go to Amazon

[mortal plover]

I heard people report the same thing with amazon though as well yet I don't believe it.

[bitter flicker]

With BB's return policy, I'm more apt to spend my $$$ at the end of the day with them, even if there are more returns in the mix.

[plush acorn]

Yeah, I mean I still bought a nice TV there, an expensive monitor... other stuff I don't return. So if they lose a few $ on open box items they're prob still making money on me

[bitter flicker]

When I'm workshopping new workflows for my dev I occasionally have to splurge on 2 or 3k worth of stuff only to find out it doesn't fit for the program I bought or what have you so back everything goes. I've had to rinse and repeat that process over the years... But their algorithms look at lifetime returns I think so I've never gotten flack for it, they've gotten an absurd amount of money from me over the years.

[mortal plover]

yup, at the end of the day these companies will still be there tomorrow making money so returning a legion go 2 or whatever isn't the end of the world

returning a GPD Win 5 on the other hand?

[manic rune]

I am really tempted to purchase, play with it, and return it - and I'm not usually that kind of buyer (looks at stack of x86 handhelds).

[mortal plover]

sold my gpd win max 2 to fund my aokzoe a1x.... end game, i swear 🤣

[bitter flicker]

And at this price, no one should blame you for doing that.

[mortal plover]

too many pc handhelds, not enough time

[plush acorn]

Lol, the price of this actually makes the price of the 395 devices more attractive in a way. At least you get real performance gains there.

[latent pulsar]

silver lining

[mortal plover]

you're not wrong, if you're already in the 4-digit range of spending money, what's a bit more for something that will outperform the z2e in every possible way

[gray wyvern]

500nits 100% panel brightness with 1000nit 1% peak brightness w/HDR enabled

[plush acorn]

Brightness is the least of my concerns. 500 nits full panel SDR is fine for anything but outdoor use

and HDR would take it up a big for scenes with smaller highlight areas

[manic rune]

No one is playing this while sitting in their beach chair.

[mortal plover]

youtube reviewers asking you to hold their beer

[plush acorn]

I do my reviews from the safety of indoors, tyvm.

lol

[manic rune]

Not even if they sent me a free one ...

[versed goblet]

At the moment i am trying to do some mental chess on how i can afford this and an odin 3

[gray wyvern]

Yeah 100%. 500nits is great

[manic rune]

I do take my Odin 2 Mini out on the beach sometimes, though. Best outdoor handheld.

[bitter flicker]

You pull that off and straight to the grand master championships with you

[mortal plover]

hence why I'll +1 your views 😛

[plush acorn]

My current situation is this. Sell F1 Pro 8840u for $650? Redmagic astra for $450? There's 1100... still $350 short... what else do I sell... is it worth selling all these things for it...

[versed goblet]

Might have to get a part time for job for a bit 😅

[upper halo]

jokes on you, we don't have beaches here

[manic rune]

You don't really NEED to eat ... do you?

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[mortal plover]

odin 2 portal > odin 3 simply for driver support unless you wanna go nuts on winlator

[versed goblet]

Yeah i have enough for the lego 2 at the moment but not both :/

[plush acorn]

I can get to the beach in about 2 hours... or like 25 minutes if a lake counts.

[versed goblet]

I sold my beloved g cloud the other day 🙁

[gray wyvern]

gCloud 2 when

[mortal plover]

sold my g cloud recently as well.... if they ever decide to mass-release a black edition i'll re-buy it in a heartbeat

[manic rune]

I can get to the beach in approximately 3 minutes. Assuming there aren't a crapton of tourists on Ocean Drive that I have to wait on to cross the street. 🙃

[versed goblet]

Same i do miss it

😫

Loved my g cloud

[gray wyvern]

GCloud 2, 8” OLED panel, full sized sticks, black

[upper halo]

we got plenty of lakes, I guess I'm gonna test its durability in a lake instead 🤣

[mortal plover]

one day it will happen, a g cloud 2 would be killer right now

[versed goblet]

There is a snapdragon event soon 👀

[plush acorn]

#humblebrag

[bitter flicker]

I live on Cape Cod, MA. I've been to the beach like twice in my 15 years here.

I mean there are people on the beach. They're everywhere. No. Thank. You.

[mortal plover]

I live in south florida, I avoid the beach 🤣
traffic, parking rates, tourists (not all, most are cool), and getting sand everywhere

[plush acorn]

I like looking at beaches, being near beaches, watching the ocean. Being actually ON the beach - man, fuck sand.

I have a little girl who LOVES the ocean/beaches. But holy crap cleaning her up after is a nightmare.

[bitter flicker]

I do love the beach from the comfort of my car

[mortal plover]

the smell, sounds, and sight of the beach is awesome... and yeah my kids go nuts for it as well @plush acorn but thank god there is a splash pad nearby where you'll see me running around in circles like a idiot instead

[high cypress]

Sea is nice, sand is a fucking nightmare
Annoying and a nightmare to clean

[plush acorn]

We vacation in Santa Cruz, CA every summer - don't get me wrong I love coastal areas, love the temperature/weather, just don't like actual SAND.

[high cypress]

I hate sand

[mortal plover]

sand in your clothes, car, towel, butt crack, everywhere. Fuck sand

[high cypress]

I have a dog who loves digging and being to the sea, but washing off sand from him is a literal Nightmare

And he is a Golden Retriever..

[mortal plover]

Reminds me when I had my dog (RIP) and we'd go to the dog park there would be dogs jumping in and out of the pond and rolling in mud.... big oof

[bitter flicker]

My dog is highly suspicious of the sea, he does not understand it and is very skeptical of the whole thing. Me and him are in agreement.

[high cypress]

Luckily my dog doesn't roll in the mud ahah

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-sand-gif-2743302484875254134

[waxen kiln]

Edit: Avoiding scams! Thanks for the education lesson!

@round abyss in case you're tempted (zero trade user, low post history, probably scam you so PP G&S etc etc)

[round abyss]

That's a hell of a price

[gray wyvern]

IMO too good to be true. Proceed with extreme caution

[waxen kiln]

Price was so good it crashed my Z Fold trying to share it 😅

[latent pulsar]

we can start by chatting about the y700 😛

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-husky-soon-gif-7801078

[plush acorn]

Something doesn't add up here. 4k karma but no posts or comments?

redditor for 3 years?

seems like maybe a stolen acct

That weirdly short proof video

AI?

[round abyss]

The red flags for me were the polar version 2 terabyte model

[plush acorn]

Ok, I'm convinced someone took someone elses device sale pics, put them into Google Veo with prompts to make that proof pic

[round abyss]

Because that thing is even more pricey

If he was local though I'd meet him lol

I just bought another OneXfly OLED though

[plush acorn]

The pics are from a sold ebay listing 4 days ago

https://www.ebay.com/itm/365809394533

[round abyss]

Yeah not surprising. Good find

[plush acorn]

reverse image search is your friend for this kinda thing

[round abyss]

Even with goods and services it's a hassle to get your money back or they send you a box of diapers in place of the claw

[waxen kiln]

Appreciate the pro tip! I've been basing it off account history. Didn't ever thinking about doing reserve look ups!

Gonna edit my post to avoid anyone from being tempted.

[plush acorn]

Yeah, acct history is a good gauge too. But image search is an extra tool in the bag.

I finally got scammed after years of doing reddit purchases earlier this year on photomarket. Thankfully PPGS so got my money back.

[long panther]

What did you get scammed on?

[gray wyvern]

Good find. I got sidetracked with work but that thing had so many red flags

[bitter flicker]

I may go with the flip 1S. Yeah, I'll be spending 1,500 on it, but it'll have 64GB of ram and will solve most of my worries about horsepower of workflow... and will make a great server when I retire it IMO.

[gray wyvern]

Goods and Services have a very limited support structure in place outside of partnered resellers

Never rely on it 100% off eBay

[bitter flicker]

Anyone know the deal on tarrifs with Ayaneo? They kind of wave it off on the kickstarter saying that you may or may not be on the hook of it.

[manic rune]

See, this is the real problem with the beach. The sand is fine. The people ... well, thank goodness for the off season.

[plush acorn]

https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1411015016999682230

[plush acorn]

Very unpredictable. Some Pocket ACEs got lost in transit, maybe customs issues. De minimis laws also changed a few days ago possibly changing some of the workarounds they use. Allegedly they say they use a workaround to cover tariffs but who knows. They use much slower shipping now to get around the tariffs (used to be fast DHL).

[bitter flicker]

Hey! You're sort of awesome for linking that! Thanks for putting that on my radar - that may be the way if I pull the trigger.

[round abyss]

Yeah that thing is awesome

[plush acorn]

Mike is a trusted seller. Might be a safer bet if you don't want to deal with all the shipping/tariff issues

[round abyss]

It's a hell of a price but that's one hell of a machine

And yeah I've bought and sold with that dude a few times

[bitter flicker]

That means a lot, to have a reference like that. Seriously - thanks

[plush acorn]

I have given him my money a few times

[bitter flicker]

Yeah the justification would be that when I'm done with it it becomes a server

[round abyss]

The last three things I sold he bought them all lol

So yeah your in good hands with him

I'm actually surprised that device is still sitting there, but it's pricey enough that you've really got to be flush with cash to nab that

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, I need another 12 hours, a stiff drink and a spliff before I can commit. I've been planning this purchase for a while but haven't fully dived into the flip as a possibility until this mess.

[round abyss]

Haha that sounds like a plan

You can regret your decisions later

[bitter flicker]

I sure as shit don't spend that sort of cash sober

[round abyss]

I'm too damn frugal to buy a $1,400 handheld like the legion so as much as I want it I know I won't keep it

But if you have something business in mind then it makes

For me it's just a toy

[manic rune]

I mean ... I can justify it by saying that it would also be my main computer for a while - but ...

[bitter flicker]

Yep I should have bought something a while ago for my work but I couldn't bring myself to do it knowing that I would just be using it at most once a week and let it collect dust. With the Lego2 and maybe this flip, I'd be using it all the time I think. And I can't underline enough how awesome of a server this will be once I retire it from its main function

[manic rune]

(And I wouldn't even be lying ... it's more powerful than my actual PC at my work desk)

[round abyss]

I built a desktop with a 5080 in it for VR and streaming to my handhelds. And then I recently bought an open box G14 for a price I couldn't refuse.

So I have more then already need

For Me if I'm not getting a super deal then I'm not buying it

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, my main rig is a 5090. I'm trying to get a video game out with a ton of motion capture and I need a laptop that runs Rokoko mocap and takes about 2TB of micro SSD data when I drop money for actors to film the final scenes.

The 5090 is actually a requirement as one of my mocap solutions (move.ai multi-cam) requires a 4090 or higher to locally process the vids

[round abyss]

Wow that's awesome your making a game

[bitter flicker]

Got to boot up in Linux though and I'm too old for that shit

[round abyss]

Well you have plenty of reasons to get that handheld then or at least far more than I do

[bitter flicker]

Thanks, but chances are I'll be homeless in a year. Wish I was joking on that - honestly I don't see this first game to be played much at all, but that's in the design of it, supposed to be episodic

[round abyss]

I hope not. Id want making a game to be fulfilling some dream not to be putting me on the streets

If not can't you cut your losses now and go in a different direction versus the risk of being homeless

I mean if I had that certainty in my mind I think I would hang it up as hard as it would be

[bitter flicker]

I never attended to go all in, hell last thing I ever wanted to be was a full time game dev, I knew/know how impossible an indie dev is. But life kind of put me here. I'm less interested about game dev and most interested in telling a very specific story, so happens that it being in a game is the best way to tell it IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very thankful to have the opportunity to do this, even if I'm risking far more than I had originally thought. Was lucky to get an Epic Megagrant to ease a wee bit of the pressure but at this point it's all about getting the damn prequel episode out.

No cards on this, but this is the sort of stuff I'm trying to have the handheld do, capture mocap. Pardon the double-bird at the end, that was intended for my dogs that were in the way.

[round abyss]

That looks really cool

[bitter flicker]

Still a long way to go. I've got two mocap systems, one just needs blazing fast USB4 speeds to get the data on it and start uploading to the cloud, but the other one needs more than 16GB of ram with unified memory which is why the lego1 didn't cut it.

[round abyss]

There's a ton of 32 gig handhelds out there

For way less money

[bitter flicker]

Also, I have no friggin' idea what I'm doing, but such is life. Sorry for the tangent / been wanting to show that work for a while and had no one to show it to

[round abyss]

The legion go s has 32gb and Z1E that would be plenty and way cheaper

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, researching them today. If I go with that flip it's because I know it'll have headroom for my work and will make a much better server down the line. Resell value may not be that bad either.

[round abyss]

Super high end devices with ram and storage you don't always get your money back but the flip 1s it's predecessor held it's value for quite awhile

So yeah it might be a solid investment

And it's badass

[bitter flicker]

Appreciate the responses. Though I'm out with the Lego2 I do very much wonder how that will hold its value, and I'd guess 'not as much as the Flip 1S'. Just the expectation with Lenovo it's known that all their devices depreciate faster than other manufacturers.

But on the other hand, the Lego2 is still very much one of a kind

[round abyss]

Yeah it's always the stuff that's widely available that depreciates faster in general unless it's Apple LOL

[bitter flicker]

I don't like a 7" screen (I'm old / my eyesight sucks lately), but it's kind of covered with that 2nd screen. And for work, the extra cores on the proc will be welcome

[gray wyvern]

Those low power gains are insane. It sucks this chip is so expensive

[cyan totem]

The price on this is ridiculous. Is this like a $300-$400 tax from the OLED (at least based on potential buyer perspective here)? This isn’t 2015, I don’t think OLED adds this type of value. Redmagic Astra proves that with a very very similar screen.

[gray wyvern]

It is a one of a kind OLED panel though. VRR and OLED is not an easy or cheap combination to do especially on low sales yield devices

[round abyss]

I think we're going to need a few months after release to see how much the price fluctuates

[cyan totem]

This thing is going to drop in price very fast. You’re going to be underwater if you buy at msrp, I’m calling it

[round abyss]

Lenovo has wildly swinging prices so we'll have to see if this follows suit

[gray wyvern]

It’s a PC handheld, you are always underwater unless it is very low availability.

I think we will see the market respond more like the Claw 8AI and retain value due to lower availability

Niche devices tend to hold better as well, and at 1300+ it certainly falls into that category

[round abyss]

Supposedly these are going to be in Costco LOL

So we'll have to see about the availability

I don't know if this will ever end up in Target on clearance for $350 like the legion go 1was a couple months ago

They could also be pricing at this high so they have a lot of room to maneuver in the future

[cyan totem]

I should have said underwater “very quickly”. I expect crazy discounts shortly after launch. But just my opinion. No one can know

[round abyss]

Yeah we're just speculating and having fun

[plush acorn]

The $300-400 tax isn't from oled, it's from a word that rhymes with 'dump'

[round abyss]

Hahah

[plush acorn]

Now, lenovo is being scummy if they're passing that tax on to the rest of the world.

Yay, capitalism!

[stable kettle]

Nah, in europe it's $970 before tax, and in US it's $1100 before tax. Basically 13% higher price

[round abyss]

Doesn't Europe also get an automatic 2 year warranty?

I thought that was the case for electronics I just couldn't remember

[stable kettle]

I think the Z2 regular will go on sale very often, there's a really big gap betwwen that and Go S with Z1E

which is basically the same chip

[round abyss]

If the Xbox Ally X comes in at under $1,000 it's going to look like a real bargain

[stable kettle]

yeah imagine if xbox ally x goes above the leaked 899 there's already a ton of salty people

[round abyss]

Exactly that's all it takes LOL. Let the Salt Wars begin

If they throw in like 3 months or 6 months of game pass on top of that with the Ally

The holiday would definitely be more interesting with those two going at it Head to Head

[plush acorn]

For Z2, not Z2E though?

I saw a video saying z2e was 1099GBP which is like 1470+ in USD

Also for Z2 non E - 999 EUR is 1170 USD so they are close to the same price?? not cheaper in europe

Not sure wher eyou got $970 from

[versed goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Il0qiRBu9R8?si=ZumC4NIceveH8K8a

Wonder if Ben will discuss price

Can’t wait to see comments section

[upper halo]

OH NO

[waxen kiln]

The real question is will he let his sarcastic Reddit persona leak through. He seemed pretty by-the-bullets back when they streamed in... ~May?

[stable kettle]

I subtracted the 20% tax, to compre prices before sales tax. 20% is obviously not everywhere, europe is like 19-26%

[plush acorn]

what price are you subtracting it from

[stable kettle]

1K euro

[plush acorn]

Ah, is that including ALL taxes? Here in the US we have to guess what something will cost us later

lol

$1100 is our price before taxes

[stable kettle]

yeah most of the world outside NA just shows the final price, by law

[spark robin]

Most of the world doesn't have a state by state tax system confusing things

[plush acorn]

[spark robin]

Not showing prices including tax in stores is dumb though. They know what tax you will pay.

[plush acorn]

To be fair most of the world the countries are the same size as US states.

Still doesn't excuse the not advertising tax part

[stable kettle]

I can give a pass to international shipping stores, cause the confusion you might get when using a vpn or a proxy...

[spark robin]

I meant a shop, that sells cardigans or bananas or something. They still don't include tax

I dunno. I live in the UK, I just found it weird that nothing actually costs what it said it cost when I went to Texas.

[versed goblet]

I think costco in the UK is the only shop i can think of that doesnt show price including tax

Makes it seem like you are getting a great deal….then you get to the till

[spark robin]

And there's even a logic there, as a lot of people will be claiming the tax back

[glass flicker]

They really are pricing themselves out of what most people will pay for these. All of us here are enthusiasts that were actively looking forward to the device and even some of us are going to pass on it. Joe shmoe is definitely not even going to consider it.

[stable kettle]

Go S is cheap though, Go 2 is their fancy-shmancy option, it includes every feature people requested

[proper quest]

Well, not everything. No stylus support and no detachable keyboard

[versed goblet]

We never get all the sku’s in the UK. Imagine we will only get the Z2E 32GB 1TB model

[upper halo]

I still can't believe there isn't a detachable keyboard for it

[manic rune]

I guess they're fine with people just 3D printing weird cases for it like for the original.

Oh ... do we know if it actually comes with a carrying case for that $1349? They cheaped out with the Go S and didn't include one.

[proper quest]

Stuff like that would make it much more appealing as an all in one device, as of now the tablet mode feels pretty underutilized

[rose pier]

It comes with the carrying case

[plush acorn]

From Best Buy

[manic rune]

I swear I looked ... but I might be blind because I'm old.

Oh ... there it is - had to click features pop up and scroll down

Jesus christ - was installing bios update on MSI Claw and it went to full blast fan mode. Jump scare.

[glass flicker]

Well at least it includes a carrying case (trying to be positive about this is really hard)

[manic rune]

To be honest, I was kinda irritated that the Go S didn't come with one - given that there don't seem to be many good third-party options for the Go S.

[versed goblet]

Didn’t you see the promo trailer. You have to make it yourself

Cool they highlighted mods though

[versed goblet]

Only a softcase though. No usb c cutout like last gen case

[rose pier]

I don't particularly care for the cutout I don't see myself using that ever

[plush acorn]

I do kinda worry about charging in a case, tbh

[waxen kiln]

My turned-off Astra is legit constantly warm even once fully charged. I don't chance it anymore. 80% cap and only charging when it's on (slow charge) so software can stop at 80%.

[plush acorn]

Well, I ordered it because I hate myself and I wanna do some videos on it (will anyone watch or will they boycott due to price )... Buuuut, it could end up getting returned to Best Buy after. We'll see.

[versed goblet]

You could end up loving it 😅

[round abyss]

I'd be happy to take that BET right now

[upper halo]

I do the same thing with my Astra, it's a good idea in general for battery health

[plush acorn]

Astra gang, rise up

[round abyss]

Wait the Astra is warm even when it's powered off?

[plush acorn]

I haven't noticed that but I'm not really handling it when off. Also mine's in a tpu case

[plush acorn]

I think they mean when it's on the charger?

But full charge

[round abyss]

I'm sure Rob has one of those USB cables with the wattage on the end of it to see if it's still pulling juice after it's full

[plush acorn]

I have a wattage dongle somewhere

[round abyss]

Some of cheap replacement batteries will keep trying to charge after it's 100%.

[upper halo]

It does have charging separation. Mine is cool once it hits the 80% threshold I've set

charging stops

[versed goblet]

Really hope this screen is in the next Y700

[manic rune]

Would they put a native landscape panel in their tablet?

[versed goblet]

In other slightly lesser related news. The legion battery bank was being shown off too at IFA. One that magnetically attaches to kick stand and then has its own smaller kickstand.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/accessories-and-software/chargers-and-batteries/power-banks/g0aflg1www?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F&srsltid=AfmBOoo47PBlv9BVjWW2UenCVNeZ6L-Zj5p-pJqxjN_j_K5Dr44Ff8ux

[plush acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/xzibit-meme-inception-gif-13033570

[versed goblet]

Was shown in one of the reviews

[plush acorn]

https://www.theverge.com/news/772853/the-lenovo-legion-go-2-will-get-xbox-flavored-windows-in-spring-2026

[manic rune]

Also, "Asus will get the Xbox FSE far sooner on October 16th when it co-launches the Xbox Ally and Xbox Ally X with Microsoft, and then Microsoft’s “next focus” will be bringing it to the original Asus ROG Ally and Ally X."

[proper quest]

Well they're bringing it to the original ally at least, that's good. At this rate my hopes aren't high that Lenovo brings it to the Go 1

[round abyss]

Somebody will get it working regardless

I'd be tempted just to buy a Rog Ally Xbox day one to rip the OS image off there

[plush acorn]

I'm sure someone will beat you to it and try it.

I don't want a double dildo with touchscreen, though.

[round abyss]

I know it's just getting them to upload it somewhere where I can download it LOL

Haha

[bitter flicker]

You owe me a new monitor

Spit my drink out

Christ this thing costs more than my 49" UW Samsung G9 oled. Absurd.

[waxen kiln]

You just need to properly grip its shaft to understand and appreciate the design intentions.

[bitter flicker]

Right. Well there goes my secondary monitor.

[waxen kiln]

You won't need monitors with your future 7" handheld purchases 🤪

[bitter flicker]

Nope. Don't need money either if I buy one apparently

Still flip flopping on that flip 1S or just lay up and see if I can patch together a 500 to 800 dollar solution. If BB had any sales on I'd jump on it as I'd like to start work sooner rather than later.

I could 'evaluate' the Legion Go 1/S for a shoot next week or just call it a day with that flip 1S. But I won't buy anything else for years after that and I'm a little spooked by the heat issues with it.

[waxen kiln]

At least you know what you're getting into with the LG1 at this point. Proven device. Sells for $450 from folks that have already upgraded the hard drive.

And probably find some for less if people are recouping their LG2 upgrade costs.

[lapis dawn]

Lenovo can Go screw asking this much money for the Go 2 , well it's been nice knowing you Lenovo but no thanks, not a fan of the Xbox Ally 2 design either but at least it's more fair a price .
MSI Claw 8 is looking better and better everyday

The Z2E isn't even that big a difference in performance anyway

[proper quest]

Only way this thing really makes sense is if it's perpetually on sale tbh

Which does actually seem like a thing Lenovo would do

[gray wyvern]

Depending on your use case. Up to 15w the difference is nearly 2x

[haughty hatch]

you skipping it?

but you are okay with ayaneo price

[proper quest]

I mean I can kind of understand Ayaneo, GPD, and Onexplayer prices being higher since they're much smaller companies and sell lower volumes. Not to mention, technically using a better processor

Onexplayer f1 pro and x1 pro are somehow cheaper than this

[knotty bone]

Can confirm. I feel like Lenovo products run on the following cycle

• Thing is overpriced
• No one buys it
• A few months later, it goes on sale at a much more reasonable price
• People buy it

[lapis dawn]

Yes unless there is a massive sale and not interested in AyaNeo PC handhelds

I can understand the price being higher but this is ridiculous

[stark ginkgo]

yeah their laptops are the same

anyone who buys one full price is a chump

[faint sluice]

They also actually put effort into software. Ayaneo actually has software for Android vs retroid, ayn, etc just having basic android. And onexplayer has the best software for x86 handhelds. Way better than armory crate on the ally

[spark robin]

I think the aim is to get it working on as many devices as possible, it'll happen.

[spark robin]

Took Lenovo 18 months to add a close button to the top of legionspace

[versed goblet]

https://youtu.be/Dn_jxC5Z3jg?si=jcVY5jKA0Vrdokd0

[knotty bone]

And even Motorola phones are like that too! Starts about as expensive as their Samsung counterparts, then they become good deals after a few months

[bitter flicker]

Damn. It is good to see Europe/UK get first pickings for once, but this shit is insane. Like, I don't think a lot people understand how major a shift this is, the US market is the largest along China for sales, and launching in a smaller market like the UK a month and a half earlier is kind of nuts. Maybe because of their manufacturer woes on this device combined with the tariffs?

[spark robin]

I think the original legion go launched earlier than in the USA as well.

[bitter flicker]

Oh I didn't know that, good point then. I'll still argue that the world seems very topsy turvy as of late, though Lenovo may not be the bell weather I assumed it to be.

[lapis dawn]

TBF AYN is making new control center software for the Thor which is probably going to be available for all the Android lineup .

[spark robin]

The world has certainly been topsy turvy, yeah 👍

[faint sluice]

I'm supporting ayn and love their products but they don't usually do this. Thor was ordered but when it comes to software they don't usually go the extra mile 🤷🏻‍♂️

[lapis dawn]

Oh I know owning both generations of Odins but at least they are trying know , admittedly they really haven't shown much but at least it should be a improvement

[gray wyvern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegionGo/comments/1na338u/lenovo_legion_go_2_pricing_from_the_perspective/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Interesting post if true

Wholesale is $350 more for the Ally then the Legion Go meaning we will very likely see discounts on the ROG and not the Go 2

[stable kettle]

he said the XAX is $1100 in their system, I call bullshit on that

[proper quest]

If the Xbox Ally X is $1100 then that doesn't make the Legion Go 2 better that just means Z2E as a whole is cooked

I blame AMD

[stable kettle]

Go2 with Z2E is $1350

so not strictly better, but yeah, much closer

[muted galleon]

I don't know how he can so definitively link $350 higher wholesale price --> spend $350 more to build the product.

[stable kettle]

microsoft will just set the price to $899 and force best buy to get $150 profit per unit instead of $350

[proper quest]

No I mean they're still both equally expensive, the reddit post is trying to say the Go 2 is better by comparison to the Ally, which I guess could be true. It doesn't really matter to me though, just means I'm going to disregard both of them

[versed goblet]

Interesting take 🤔

[gray wyvern]

It’s a fair conclusion to draw though.

All things being equal, similar components as a base, similar mature supply chains, similar manufacturers etc

The difference in wholesale costs are probably all in the underlying product cost

[muted galleon]

that is assuming different manufacturers all aim for the same margin / have the same price setting strategy

[stable kettle]

lenovo definitely wants more profit per unit, they're selling a smaller volume of Gen 2

[muted galleon]

yes, that is what i am saying, just because they sell at $350 more to retailers does not mean it cost $350 more to make compared to the xbox 's. since its feature set is still pretty unique, they most likely setting a higher price because there is nothing else like it, for now. Selling lower volume at a higher price is probably their decision/pricing strategy as well.

[high cypress]

Starting from the screen, at least Lenovo improved from IPS to OLED, Asus kept the 7" LCD..

[gray wyvern]

On the other hand, the Ally is reusing many components from the existing devices including the screen and probably the battery etc. the BOM and cost to produce is much lower

[high cypress]

The Xbox Rog Ally is not that different from the previous version

[gray wyvern]

I’d expect that the Go 2 display is probably 3-4x the cost of the Ally panel

[high cypress]

So I guess it could be right

Using some of the same components, means that Asus can buy a lot more of those components to reduce their cost too

[gray wyvern]

Yeah and they could have had a lot of the stuff in warehouses pre-tariffs

[high cypress]

Yeah, even if that Legion Go 2 will still be the one for me 🤣

[rose pier]

I wonder when pre-orders will show up for Mexico

[versed goblet]

Still sat waiting for UK

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[spark robin]

I bet it'll just show up on shelves, no warning, no preorder

[versed goblet]

Yeah thats how Z1E Go S happened

[waxen mantle]

the second i see an open box close by i'll likely snag it, for hopefully like 1300 total

[versed goblet]

The ally x there were open boxes days after release

I remember flagging them to the RH crew

[waxen mantle]

yeah i grabbed one for my partner pretty cheap and it was perfect, she loves it and to this day i think it is the best deal in the category

[versed goblet]

Some people will grab these. Be told off by their significant others and be returned. Open box 😅

[waxen mantle]

I really wish my partner WOULD stop me from buying this stuff too much. I have a flip 1s on preorder, what a ridiculous move by me, so expensive

[versed goblet]

Same boat. Wife allows it. Not my fault 🤣

[spark robin]

That's why it's always weird when people compare new releases to second hand devices.

Why buy this when an open box Ally, etc etc....

Cool, just get the newly released thing open box if you like open box. Or compare new to new.

[versed goblet]

[manic rune]

Well if you're trying to get the best value for your money it's perfectly fine to compare open box devices to new releases. (And for a while, the open box Z1E Ally was the best value in handheld PC gaming. Right now that's probably the clearance but still new Claw A1M)

[spark robin]

Point is, you can get the new release open box as well if you wait a day.

[manic rune]

Certainly for the Allys ... there were ALWAYS open box Allys at Best Buy. DIdn't see too many LeGos, though.

(At least, not the originals. More Go S's)

[spark robin]

I got my Lego open box (from Curry's), awesome decision

[stark ginkgo]

for the 24gb variant

which is still shy of the 32 of the lego 2

there is a 16gb variant that's cheaper

[stable kettle]

Yeah, I just don't believe in the 1100 price he's telling

[stark ginkgo]

why not

[manic rune]

I wlll believe it when I see it on Best Buy's site.

I mean ... it might be right? It might not. It's just some dude on Reddit.

whose dad might work for Nintendo or something.

[stark ginkgo]

do you have a better source?

[manic rune]

I mean ... this is basically the Reddit "source":

[stark ginkgo]

so no

[manic rune]

Not that it matters ... if they still plan on mid-October, we'll know soon enough.

[proper quest]

I still don't really understand the pricing tbh, according to Lenovo the jump from Z2 to the Z2E only warrants $150, and the jump from 16 GB to 32 GB is $100 more.

The Legion Go 1tb is $750, so adding both of those only increases the cost to $1000. So does the screen cost them so much that it warrants $350 more?

[stark ginkgo]

the first LeGo did not have an 30% tariff on it

take that into account and you have your price

[stable kettle]

Yes, bestbuy website had it listed at 899 with coming soon announcement

[stark ginkgo]

thats for the 16gb sku

[proper quest]

They've retroactively increased the price for existing handhelds though

[stable kettle]

Z2E with 16GB?

[stark ginkgo]

yup, it's a trap

[stable kettle]

I guess I overlooked that huh

That's so bad lol

Completely changes the value

[stark ginkgo]

yeah, it's a good time to already own a go 1/stoled/ally X and hope the next gen is a bigger upgrade for less money

[gray wyvern]

Not necessarily, 32GB really doesn’t change the performance a whole lot.

It’s not a great deal but it’s not a dealbreaker either

[stark ginkgo]

16gb is pretty skimpy when it's shared between system ram and vram

basically the equivalent of a laptop only having 12gb of ram and a 4gb gpu, vs 16/8 on a 24gb apu

[gray wyvern]

It’s fine for the vast majority of 1080p stuff though

[stark ginkgo]

24 is the sweet spot for this tier of apu imo

need strix halo to take advantage of more, if you're down at 16 you may as well just get a deck

[gray wyvern]

Ehh, performance tests say otherwise but ok lol

[stable kettle]

16 for Steam deck, 24 for Z2E, 32 for strix halo makes most sense yeah

[stark ginkgo]

unless you're doing local AI stuff with strix halo, then go for that 64 or 128 sku lol

[waxen kiln]

https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1413949782585638963

Since you mentioned you were looking.

[bitter flicker]

Thank you! I'll seriously consider these / you rock

[mortal plover]

I feel personally attacked 😜

[versed goblet]

[waxen kiln]

Mine already laid down the firm no (at least at retail price). 😔

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

Can you not try the “I got it at a good price line”? 😅

[waxen kiln]

I made the mistake of letting loose a rant of its price exceeding my internal limit.

All part of the long game to sell the Super X pitch...

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-goodluck-leslie-nielsen-counting-on-you-nod-gif-6040149