Switch 2

[wind belfry]

given how the 8gb Switch 2 cartridge had the same cost for 3rd parties as a Blu-Ray on PlayStation and Xbox, it was just a way of not cutting into their profit margin when choosing that one and making the rest a download code, but I can't imagine the 16gb cartridge being more expensive than the 8gb one was... so the gamekey card most likely costs less for them to have a "physical" game made, greedy bastards

[round sparrow]

FOMO is a powerful drug

[minor bay]

I’m not mad, though I am being reductive. It all just seems like a move to further incentivize digital. One that will prove effective.

In my life I’ve gone from carts and discs I own and can resell to digital purchases you can’t. And every game pushes the eventual cost of storage onto the consumer, at that.

[proper bear]

As long as I can resell they can make them all digital for all I care

An online swap would be amazing at some point

Posting stuff online, shipping things, etc. are all extra steps too

[high barn]

Yeah, it’s the exact reason why I’m still glad these are at least confirmed to work the same way most physical key games worked (it gives you access to the digital game, but it’s not directly tied to your account, so you can still sell it like any physical game), instead of being the shitshow that was Xbox One’s nonsense.

It does honestly suck that third parties are just seeing this as an excuse to avoid having a proper game in these, but I’ll still be happy with the fact that it at least means we shouldn’t be seeing “digital code physical releases”, which are an outright scam unless you really wanted that empty box.

[proper bear]

Basically as long as there's a physical token I can trade, and offline play. That's good enough for me

Also should mean that game code is still accessible for other reasons...

[novel crystal]

until the download servers shut down again?

[high barn]

Actually, the whole reason they moved to the current format was to avoid using more than 1 server for consoles, so the Switch 1 server is outright the same as the Switch 2.

[proper bear]

Let's be fair, by then it'll be ripped

Not only that but @high barn is right. There's no reason not to use backwards compat going forward at this point

[high barn]

Especially since it’s outright more efficient in costs in the long run and makes more sense for a business to do.

Before? You had Nintendo supporting 3 different servers (Wii-U/3DS/Switch) for the 7 years between the Switch launching and the WiiU/3DS servers shutting down.

Now, if they stick to their current plan? They’ll only have to support 1 server for several different consoles, one after the other.

Look at Valve, the literal only reasons they’ve ever had to delist games was due to dev request for major issues like licensing running out. Other than that, they’ve got practically all their pc games being distributed on the same server, and they’ve only had to support that one server this whole time.

[proper bear]

More software sales. And with Nintendo that's close to retail price sales

They honestly took too long to modernize their servers. But they work now

[high barn]

Yup, the only reason I can think of Sony and Microsoft not doing the same is solely because of how uniquely designed their systems were before the PS4, and even then it honestly looks like Sony’s already trying to do the same thing as Nintendo with the PS4 onwards, since they’re also working on full backwards compatibility and server support.

[proper bear]

I mean it's an investment but it's what will actually get me to buy a switch 2

Without that digital backlog it'd be an easy pass

[cloud current]

Sony and Microsoft might be in a but of a different boat there tbh. They still maybe have an architecture shift ahead of them. At some point it really might make sense for them to shift to ARM.

[untold flame]

I wanted the switch 2 for another reason

The clearance they doubted is here

Whole Mario kart bundle

[cloud current]

Translation layers might maintain compat anyway, but… there’s a potential world where they have one more very good reason to break compat

[high barn]

True, but given the fact that doing so will result in the same issue as the PS3 over again, the only way I can see that happening is if they get good enough at x86-arm translation layers to make it viable for backwards compatibility.

Otherwise they’re basically just setting themselves up for needing to do way more work on supporting ports for that system.

[untold flame]

Pilfer box64

Although that weird graphics API on the PS4 may be an issue

[untold flame]

Can anyone advise on yhis

Deal or nah

[minor bay]

I saw a whole Totk Oled set with extras sell on eBay for $250 yesterday so nah.

[untold flame]

But I want mk8 more

What were the extras?

[untold flame]

The 300 had a bunch of extras idk if it was readable

It was the whole Costco bundle

Mk8

Two years of nso

256 gb card

Case

[minor bay]

Seller had the console, dock, etc. Game, case, card, and Zelda Pro controller.

Still, $300 for the Costco deal is tempting for brand new

[untold flame]

I didn't consider the controller

What about card?

How large?

Did the switch itself have a case?

Was it new?

How common is that sort of deal

[vestal notch]

I could never be that happy holding a sideways joycon

[untold flame]

True

Maybe I should wait for the switch 2 to go on sale

Larger joycon

[brazen light]

Nintendo should allow people to rip their own games and play them on emulators if they own both the game and a switch 2, I don't see the bfd, they're just a greedy corp that wants to own the player's save data, which is akin to owning someone's pictures in an icloud imo

Sony and Mfst too, the only somewhat ethical company seems to be valve. So I'll just stick with them and wait for deck 2

Just wanted to throw my voice in the mix completely out of context

[heady snow]

Buy the legion go 2 and install bazzite instead

[leaden kiln]

Nintendo

We are talking about nintendo let us be real

[lean lotus]

I mean, specifying Nintendo in this specific instance is funny, because uh, none of the console devs would want you to do that lol

[leaden kiln]

Not santa Claus

[cloud current]

I don’t think we’ve seen any meaningful tests of Valve’s resolve to stay chill tbh. Nothing has ever legitimately threatened their gravy train of taking a 30% cut of everyone else’s work on a platform that’s growing quickly on its own.

When competing stores drop, even ones with more consumer friendly policies like GOG, users hiss and retreat under Gabe’s shadow.

[heady snow]

GOG my goat 🙏

[leaden kiln]

Nintendo is like Real Demon they rather be bankruptcy than let people rip thier own discs

[cloud current]

They could certainly be turning the screws harder than they are, and it’s cool that they’re not, but like

[leaden kiln]

Shout out to GOG

[cloud current]

If the numbers ever stop going up on their own, or if any competition ever actually sticks, I don’t expect them to seem so nice very much longer.

[leaden kiln]

Mmm it's true my worries is if Gaben dies will valve be same company that everyone loves right now

[rapid dawn]

Nice companies eventually get bought by non-nice companies. Or their CEOs get replaced, or they go public.

I still remember the days of Sun Microsystems, a pretty good company relatively.

Got bought by Oracle and everything that depended on Sun's good will went to shit

The good thing about Valve though, is that at least a big chunk of it is Proton, which thanks to WINE's LGPL license, HAD to remain open source.

[cloud current]

Or their business model just stops growing and the existing leadership has to get shitty to keep the number going up.

PC gaming is probably going to keep growing naturally without issue for a good handful of years still, as the differences between console and PC continue to erode and kids just ask for PCs in the first place because of streamers

But like, all roads lead to them being shitty eventually

[high barn]

They’re a first party console developer and the only one that’s actually making money off of individual console sales, instead of selling at a loss since “people will buy our games and make up that price”, that being the justification for Sony, Microsoft, and even Valve for the Steam Deck.

Regardless of how any of us feel, they literally outright have less than zero incentive to let people buy and play their games on other platforms, even if the user “owns a switch 2” (since even allowing those users that own a Switch 2 to do so means making it significantly more easier for “unethical” users to distribute those games for free).

[high barn]

Exactly. Regardless of how we personally feel on owning games, it would outright be freaking stupid to any of these companies to just allow users to emulate their games on other platforms.

[high barn]

Well, good news is that Valve is actually private, so they don’t have idiotic stock holders demanding they have “endless growth in value so that their stocks grow more valuable, and to never dip even once in said value”.

That means they can unironically be more willing to lose profit margins without issue if they know in advance that it’s a sacrifice for later profit (something that would get them skinned alive and ruined if they were a public company and suggested that to their stockholders).

[compact sable]

The only way it would remotely be possible is for some sort of a global licensing system that worked across PC/Consoles and even that is a huge stretch

[cloud current]

It can definitely take some of the guaranteed pressure off, but private companies still frequently have stakeholders they’re beholden to, just far fewer of them.

Plus it relies on the owner not just wanting to increase profits themselves. Gabe has been pretty chill, but he’s been pretty chill in a world where the growth just kinda takes care of itself for the last 20 years. I don’t really take it at face value that’ll keep being true if circumstances change.

[compact sable]

Let’s also not forget that Valve makes an unspecified amount of money off gambling aimed at minors… they aren’t exactly innocent in any of these types of discussions

[high barn]

They’d unironically have to ruin the point of pc gaming by making a storefront system that’s heavily encrypted and effectively the same as consoles (to the point of only allowing you to play their games on their “NintendOS/PlaystationOS/XbOS” Linux build that would only let you play their games).

[high barn]

Basically making it so that you literally have to keep a separate ssd ready with their entire os set up just to play their games. That’s the literal only way I can believe any of them, especially Nintendo, going full “PC Support”.

Like, come on, I know we’re pissed that Nintendo frankly logically didn’t like their current gen games being emulated, a take I also outright refuse to believe Sony and Xbox would be in any way different or in disagreement with Nintendo on if their current gen games were capable of being emulated or easily pirated.

[compact sable]

Emulation isn’t the real issue, piracy is

[high barn]

But let’s not be delusional and think that these Corporations doing this is somehow totally unexpected.

[compact sable]

I’m sure emulation of the current gen system pissed them off but there is nothing (right now) they can do directly about that so they got them on technicalities and everyone else it appears they paid off to close up shop and turn over code

[high barn]

Exactly, hence why Nintendo hates Switch Emulation being a thing in general, and why I fully 100% expect Microsoft and Sony outright would fully agree with Nintendo on if any of their current gen consoles were getting emulators as effective as something like Yuzu or Ryujinx.

[compact sable]

Yeah agreed

[novel crystal]

lets be honest gabe already shot down that notion

[high barn]

It is not a surprise that they would do that, and it frankly is not be a “betrayal” since people should have expected that from the start.

[compact sable]

Dolphin?

[novel crystal]

gabe many years ago said piracy is service issue

[compact sable]

Oh

[novel crystal]

companies pearl clutching over piracy are being dishonest

[high barn]

Tell that to half the assholes that prefer to pirate switch ports for pc games instead of actually buying said pc games.

[compact sable]

Hard disagree with that after Yuzu sold early access to a build that was made specially for an unreleased game

[novel crystal]

once again we already have rough data on these things and it points at piracy mostly being due to the companies failure

[high barn]

Like seriously, you wanna know the funny thing about that whole recent deal with ShadPS4? Literally half the people complaining about the change were showing games on their list being “unsupported” that can be found on Steam for $10 each, and were also way worse in efficiency for ShadPS4.

[novel crystal]

the better a servise is the lower rates of piracy tend to be

that is just a fact of life

[compact sable]

Within reason though

“I don’t want to spend $60 on a game” isn’t a problem of a service it’s a mindset issue

[high barn]

Yeah, and I’m still calling bullshit on that since the simple reality is that humans are stingy and will actively make whatever moral high ground excuse they want to pay less or even avoid paying for stuff entirely.

[compact sable]

I guarantee the majority of switch piracy occurs in countries which the switch is already a high seller

And the barrier for entry is simply price

[high barn]

Not just that, literally every person that’s outright outing themselves as a pirate for complaining about the new ShadPS4 update is doing so over games that can be found for cheaper on PC.

[compact sable]

If you go back to region locked games, a hard to access system, or wildly out of industry norm prices of the hardware of software, sure

[novel crystal]

we can especially see this with netflix where when netflix was considered a good service piracy was at a all time low but as netflix got worse over time more and more people have taken to sailing the digital seas

[novel crystal]

the issue is you have no factual basis for your claim

the issue is the data does not back up what you 2 and corporations say

[high barn]

The very nature of the problem is that the basis for my claim is too illogical to make factual sense. Look at literally every idiot who goes into debt because they found some error in their banking that gave them a lot of “free money” only for the bank to find out and charge them for that shit. Look at the entire shitshow that was the “Uber Eats exploit”.

[novel crystal]

so it is basically a argument without evidence so I can dismiss it

[high barn]

A lot of humans will outright go for free shit that might be illegal, even if it’s a short term gain that logically will 100% ruin them later.

[high barn]

Versus your argument that has so far only used Gabe’s quote and a video (for both shows and movies) service as evidence.

Even though we literally have had YouTube videos that are literally just entire movies split into several parts for even longer than Netflix has gone stupid in their digital service.

[novel crystal]

well as far as we can can see piracy for things relating go steam has also been low for years outside of scams like grey market key sellers (which are a separate type of thing)

[high barn]

There are outright cracked Steam games that break its drm.

[novel crystal]

wait why are you trying to approach piracy from a tautological argument?

this seems questionable a thing to do

[high barn]

Because I’m recognizing that piracy is outright inevitable, and the very thing Gabe was saying wasn’t as a prevention, but a mitigation.

[novel crystal]

we live in the real world so we have to live by evaluating what facts we can gather to try and make informed decisions about what is correct and not by doing reactionary thinking

[high barn]

The reason all of these companies are still successful is because piracy is an issue that frankly is minor, since most people will find buying the game from Nintendo, or from Valve, or even from PlayStation, to be easier.

The problem with Nintendo is that they’re not content with it and outright would want to see piracy as entirely erased, and that’s an impossibility.

[novel crystal]

this stance on piracy will always exist so these large corporations being this way is fine reminds me of alot of failed policy of the past and present

[high barn]

My “point” is that it makes sense that they would do so for current gen systems because Gabe’s point wasn’t freaking about modern games that are actively accessible in store.

His point was in regard to the piracy of older games, and that keeping those games accessible, no matter how old they are, is the key to avoiding people pirating those games instead.

Since if you have them available for sale, then people actually have an option to get the game.

[novel crystal]

I understand why the system incentivizes companies being so hard on piracy no matter the scale as shareholders like to hear that sort of thing

it is just that is self defeating

[high barn]

That I at least agree on.

Piracy is a hydra, but it’s a very weak hydra, so Nintendo going after it, even if it makes sense, is still an illogical waste of time in the long run.

I’m not going to question why they do it, because I already know their reasoning, even if I already know it’s still stupid.

[novel crystal]

there is also a reason why with large companies there is the coined term enshitification where large corporations will always try to alter the deal in its favor whenever possible often at the expense of what the company is selling and over times erodes consumer rights in the process

the line must go up no matter how bad the product becomes

[high barn]

And that I can also agree on.

I’ve already talked more than enough about my grievances against Microsoft’s bullshit endeavors to try and keep the current trash fire of Xbox burning, since they don’t want to do the significantly harder but likely better solution of actually letting the fire be extinguished so that they can clean up the mess and rebuild.

And honestly, if I’m being fully real here? Them pivoting from consoles to focus on stuff like GamePass and PC support may actually be that harder but better solution, depending on how they handle it.

[novel crystal]

xbox has not been very skilled in marketing consoles for a while

[high barn]

Yup, the literal only console they’ve ever had that could be considered a legit success is the 360, with the Xbone being a moderate second place, and Series S/X outright doing way worse overall.

[eager vessel]

I thought xbone was worse than series

Interesting

[vestal notch]

I actually chose a series X over a PS5

Backwards compatibility, xbox live arcade titles sold me. And i dont regret it. Ya, not all the 360 games are backwards compat. But they went back and boosted alot of games fps and upped the resolution. That shows they care more about game preservation than either sony or Nintendo lets be real

[leaden kiln]

Don't forget about dev mode

[brazen light]

I don't think msft cares about game preservation ill be 100% honest

Until a company lets you keep saves files on a hard drive i think its better to just emulate personally

[leaden kiln]

It's better than how playstation doing Don't agree with nintendo because they actually do backwards compatibility almost their system

[brazen light]

You have to pay a subscription or they delete ur saves tho

[leaden kiln]

Actually xbox do keep your saves from old xbox 360 account all of the games

Only thing I don't like is the license part when you need to be online to download

If you have the disc BTW but digital version you can play offline as long as you want

[brazen light]

No I mean non drm locked files

[leaden kiln]

Ohhhh

[novel crystal]

I think that used to be a thing in the 360 days

[high barn]

Given their “backwards compatibility” support was pretty much only a temporary endeavor on their part, I think it’s fairer to say they were just supporting specific games that people cared enough about, they didn’t actually care about proper backwards compatibility in terms of systems.

[leaden kiln]

Most of them would have difficult to emulate or license issues

Not xbox 360 games but more with og xbox

[minor bay]

The one thing about Nintendo though is they have been at the forefront of fucking consumers. If not them, someone else would’ve been, sure. But it does bear remembering that they’ve been doing everything they can to bend their fans over since 1985.

[novel crystal]

well nintendo started selling playing cards

[hushed igloo]

They did start out as a toy company,yes

[minor bay]

Yeah, and were involved with gambling and the yakuza. But I just used ‘85 in reference to the Famicom

[brazen light]

Ps3 too I think was the last good system

Ps4 had a middle ground at least

[north prawn]

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTj5c7P3KPtrBdRGo1kXqx3wS2xtWpdMd0ibuT5nhArFGgRk_EpL29s-1DWVqsCdeL_sMpxkEgZ57O60ypImCctJA

tell me this guy aint yakuza lmao

[minor bay]

I remember a story my friend told me about him pushing the n64 to use cartridges. I don’t know if it was an early internet rumor, or simply something that fit with his character enough for it to be plausible.

But essentially some execs wanted CDs, knowing they were the future. They were cheaper, higher storage, etc.

Supposedly the exchange was:
Yamauchi: no, we can charge more for carts
CD guys: but, sir, they cost us more to make as well
Yamauchi: BUT WE CAN CHARGE MORE

[north prawn]

i swear if that dude took off his jacket....

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-shirt-rip-off-gif-18797112

[minor bay]

Oh for sure lol. He had to have the connections.

Another anecdote: DPad and Gameboy inventor Gunpei Yokoi started working at Nintendo in 1965. He maintained the hanafuda machines.

He was harassed one day by some yakuza because they thought he was making the cards unlucky somehow? But he had to show them the whole manufacturing process to get them to calm down.

How would they even get in there without there being a Nintendo/Yakuza connection is beyond me.

[leaden kiln]

https://x.com/Wario64/status/1916925779210080577?t=aWwmloNdo52lTagcoLuqVQ&s=33

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[somber marsh]

Ngl excited to see how fast someone mods this handheld on release lol 😂 it will definitely be a powerhouse once that happens

[rapid dawn]

I hope they find a good software vuln

[compact sable]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[wind belfry]

now I have seen everything

Limited Run will do a collectors edition of Raidou Remastered

the game will be on an gamekey card

[eager vessel]

Limited Run sucks, right? I can't remember

[eager vessel]

Also am I wrong: is this a remake of the SMT game?

[cloud current]

Kinda. There’s also a lot of stuff that probably just straight up wouldn’t have any kind of physical presence in the first place without them. But yes, they do keep messing up in new and creative ways.

[eager vessel]

It sucks 'cause I can totally see the want / need for physical games, but I really do prefer digital lately just purely for the storage space aspect. I'm also prone to losing physical copies, especially lately 😦

but the download key thing doesn't solve that issue for me since i need the cart lmao

[odd scaffold]

Yeah people in the know really don't like Limited Run. I don't actually know a ton about it as I haven't watched the like three hour of videos from that one youtuber who "exposed" but I remember hearing their gameboy/advance carts are really low quality and I think people were saying their 3do releases don't work at all, like the discs don't contain the game in any way shape or form or something?

[eager vessel]

Yeah, I know what video you're talking about, I tend to avoid content like that so I'm unsure of it's validity

[odd scaffold]

Ok yeah it was 3DO games, they just printed them to CD-Rs that can't be read by the system for one reason or another lol

[eager vessel]

lol

[eager vessel]

I just noticed that the Target preorder is to ship, not in store pick up.. that's kind of weird

[high barn]

Not just that, the Switch 2 edition will be a gamekey card. Switch 1 is still confirmed to be using the same exact full game Switch 1 cards that will be in the regular release.

[wind belfry]

yeah, I ordered the Switch 1 version for the shelf, gotta save tons of money once physical games are dead

[high barn]

Nah, they’ll still be alive with First Party Switch 2 releases, and the occasional third party company that’s actually good like Projekt Redd.

…and given what Sega’s pulling, it looks like Switch 1 games will still be full physical, it’s specifically Switch 2 where they’re going for it.

Also, apparently the S2-version games of S1 games also have cross compatibility with both consoles?

Like, the Switch 2 version of games have almost double the storage of what the game is listed as, containing both the Switch 1 and Switch 2 games, and if you plug it into a Switch 1 it’ll load the Switch 1 version.

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/nintendo-switch-2-edition-games-are-cross-compatible-with-switch-1-publisher-claims/

It’s literally a better version of Xbox’s Smart Disc System (where it actually has both games at once, unlike Xbox which only had the Xbone version and then you had to download the whole Series version).

So now I think I actually figured out what the reason for this shell difference was.

[high barn]

If I’m right, it means that the things works the same as playing GBC on GBA systems, in that there’s likely a switch in the cart slot that, when it’s pressed, tells the console it’s a Switch-1 cartridge and will load up whatever translation layers are needed, while also only using the S1 cartridge speeds.

But if you put a S2 cartridge in, the switch is not pressed, so it knows it’s actually a Switch 2 cartridge and will boot the game natively as well as using the full transfer speeds of the S2 cart.

[wind belfry]

Switch 3, they gotta add back the 3ds nub

[south notch]

Nah it's just wider

[novel stratus]

the red cartridge is so cool

[hushed igloo]

That might be useful if I can’t get a Switch 2 before August

[fallen herald]

Strange. I was expecting switch 2 carts to be faster/different and thus incompatible with S1.
DF was saying their contacts mentioned switch 2 game cards is only available in 64gb at the moment, that's is why many publisher opting for game key cards for the time being as it's expensive and their games don't use anywhere near 64gb.

[high barn]

I wonder if they’re using the same standard for the Switch 2 cartridges, but at a faster speed, and it’s actually the S1 cartridge slot that’s the limiter in speed?

[fallen herald]

Possible like microsd/express I guess.. and maybe game key carts are actually just small 1/2gb s1 carts👀

Either that or these "switch 2 edition" games are just sticking to the switch 1 cards, unlike switch 2 games

[high barn]

Nah, if that was the case then there would still be extra data required in the storage for the upgrades in texture.

With how they’re describing it, since all the data should be in the S2 cartridge (as they wouldn’t have directly corrected the “you get a download code for the upgrade” claim otherwise), I really have a hard time thinking of another reason for the indent if it’s not telling the Switch-2 to treat the game as a Native S2 game, vs the lack of the indent telling it to treat the game as a S1 game that would need translation layers.

Ugh, this can’t get to people who are willing to open it up fast enough, I really want to know how this thing works because it’s honestly tickling all the “ooh, that’s some interesting tech” neurons in my brain.

[hushed igloo]

I mean…it may not be anything complicated

[vestal notch]

My name is burger kirby, your argument in invalid

[sweet cradle]

gonna transfer my switch data to Nintendo servers ready for switch 2

ts is on life support

only way I could get it to charge

and this will probably the last time I get it to charge

[sweet cradle]

I’m sending my switch data to the servers rn

expires 2026 so I’m not in a rush

[iron apex]

You deserve a good rest 🫡

[tidal tree]

could also just use any usb c cable lmao, or is the port fucked?

[sweet cradle]

port obviously

[sweet cradle]

I loved the thing

trusting Nintendo with the data

[sweet cradle]

sadly it started breaking after 7 years of fair use

first the screws fell out

then the dock stopped taking the switch in

then the port needed to be charged at a certain angle

to the point where I had to bend the charger to charge it

[tidal tree]

True, but port repairs arent that expensive if ya wanna fix it

[sweet cradle]

with my experience of repairs

it’s gonna be expensive

[tidal tree]

send in or repair shop ofc 😄

[sweet cradle]

that’s what I meant 😀

[ornate bane]

https://youtu.be/FQo9Jmx70sQ?si=0W0wMeF5iNTl-XsM

[rapid pollen]

anyone wanna tl;dw so I don't have to watch a 25 minute video

[ornate bane]

https://www.nintendo.com/us/gaming-systems/switch-2/transfer-guide/games-with-free-updates/

[rapid pollen]

thank you!

[stark flicker]

WHERE IS XENOBLADE UPGRADE

[sweet cradle]

transferring data to nintendo servers was kinda ass

no animation like the Wii to Wii u transfer

[vestal notch]

Last calendar month we have without a switch 2 in the world

[rapid pollen]

trueee

[vestal notch]

Girlfriend wants to go on a beach trip from the 5/6th to the 8th. Do i just leave the console home and wait til I get back or bring it? Decisions decisions

[eager vessel]

Normally I'd say take it and play it during down time, but since it's fairly new, you may be interested in playing it a lot more and I think spending some time with the gf at the beach sounds like a blast

[vestal notch]

Ya imma do that

When it comes to something new i wanna spend a few hours with it, ill only be able to play in short bursts and that would kill me lol. So ill wait

[sweet cradle]

bring the dock for some 4K gaming

[vestal notch]

Don’t have a 4k tv or monitor

Ill look around for a bang for buck one. Theres a micro center up the street from me

In fact I own no TV or monitor at all lol. Part of why im excited for the switch

[torn wraith]

microsoft raising their prices for their consoles

I really should have pre-ordered switch 2 coz it will probably go up in a couple months after release as well

[verbal wing]

https://gamerant.com/nintendo-switch-2-dock-compatibility/

Not sure if this was discussed here, but feels like a bit of a miss.

We have two Switch 1s in our house. To need two docks hooked up to our main TV feels silly.

[vestal notch]

At least they are pretty compact

Would be nice if they made a universal dock or something

[sweet cradle]

you staying at a hotel?

[sweet cradle]

you can play original switch games on the 2

and you can transfer data rn (via server uploading)

[round sparrow]

I can recommend getting a previous year LG C model oled TV if you have the money for it

last years would be the C4

I've been eyeing up the 42" version for my bedroom

[rapid dawn]

Given the difference in specs between the two systems, it makes sense that they can't use each other's docking stations,
It seriously doesn't. Type C docks abound and they work on basically every device with video out EXCEPT Nintendo's.

Two docks sounds really stupid. But on the other hand, I guess for the most part you are going to want to use the Switch 2 docked and your Switch 1 in handheld from now on.

And if you need to lend a game, there's the virtual cartridge sharing thing now.

[cloud current]

I mean give it like a year and Genki or someone will absolutely figure out a dock that does both.

[compact sable]

It would have been a nice plus but I don’t think I ever went into it expecting the dock to work for both versions in either direction

An external USB dongle will do the trick though. A lot cheaper and should be fine for the task

[verbal wing]

Not my ideal situation. My kids have their own switches. They don't use cloud saves. Big animal crossing fans and that's kind of locked to their devices, I think. I also don't intend to give them free reign of the Switch 2.

[compact sable]

That’s my situation as well. Except my kiddos have hacked switches so I don’t hit game cart/digital download limitations so they already know they won’t take anything with them when they eventually get their own 2s

[verbal wing]

I didn't expect them to include backwards compatibility with the dock either, but would have been nice!

I have a Skull and Co mini dongle dock in my bedroom that'll just move downstairs. 🤷‍♂️

[sweet cradle]

I meant like

you can upload ur switch data to the cloud if ur gonna sell the switch before buying the new console (or the console is nearly dead)

[proper bear]

Yeah. That's annoying. Hopefully a 3rd party will create some dual dock. Or someone will come up with a cool stl to 3d print one

The issue with 3rd parties, besides failures, is usually the failed performance unlocking. Especially in this case since it has a fan. If I can 3d print something that guts both docks internals and lets me combine it into one, I'm doing it

[compact sable]

What failed performance unlocking?

[proper bear]

No. Like failed hardware. Like some 3rd parties caused overheating. Some didn't provide right voltage. Some usb-c passthrough straight up didn't work. For the switch 1

I guarantee some will fail with the fan for switch 2

[eager vessel]

"The new Virtual Game Card system launched in a recent Nintendo Switch system update has removed the previous available feature that allowed users to play the same game across two consoles on the same account."

I NEVER Knew that was possible.

[proper bear]

Yeah. It was just like the last update. And is such a huge one. Like another win for nintendo

It removed cross play on two but allows permanent transfer

You just have to be on the same network I think

And part of the same family account for the borrowing

[eager vessel]

no no, what I mean is

I didn't know about the previous feature

I know about the current one

[proper bear]

Ah. Ok

[eager vessel]

Sorry if I said it poorly haha

[proper bear]

Yeah. The old system sucked because it was optional

So like some games just didn't allow it

[eager vessel]

oooohhhhh

that may be why I didn't know about it hahahah

[proper bear]

Like animal crossing was locked to your primary device

[eager vessel]

yeah

[proper bear]

Now technically you can eject the virtual cart and put it in another. Tho I guess I'll have more faith when I actually try it for one of those games. Lol

But if it means I don't have to buy 4 copies of the same game for switches across the house that's fine with me. They'll just have to learn sharing is getting finally

[compact sable]

Oh yeah that issue.

I’d certainly hope they adopted the proper USB-C protocol this time

[proper bear]

Yeah. For sure. Dunno if whatever comms switch 2 has with base will be easy for third parties to replicate. Still think a switch 1/2 combo 3d printed dock (or maybe someone will mass produce one) and original internals will be the way to go

[eager vessel]

The virtual game card thing is confusing me, it's making me do it to all of my games now? I don't get it hahaha

'cause now I can't play games i downloaded offline

I have to "create a virtual game card" and it needs the network to do that...

idk I don't get it

[compact sable]

Yup from what I’ve seen it broke some features of digital sharing if you are using someone else’s switch or you aren’t on your “primary” console

[vestal notch]

Switch 2

Burger Kirby

[warped heath]

I wonder will games natively support 1440p at 60

Or will 1440p on Switch just be upscale filter 1080p or downscaled 4K

If it's upscaled 1080p I could see it being able to produce good looking 1440p60 in titles tbh

[compact sable]

My guess is upscale 1080

[sweet cradle]

alr fuck everything

I’m getting a preorder now

using the Amazon workaround

[proper bear]

Who what how where

[sweet cradle]

only UK

https://tenor.com/view/british-moment-gif-25175629

and I’m gonna gatekeep it

[eager vessel]

"amazon workaround" ?

[sweet cradle]

what the fuck

fuck me

it 403’d my ip address from the workaround

and there was a bundle

I’m done

it’s gone now

[sweet cradle]

well

there’s a bundle available

can’t buy it

[vestal notch]

Why

Oh your trynna use a vpn?

[sweet cradle]

no lol

[high barn]

Eh, if it’s as proprietary as it sounds in the design, it at least makes sense (assuming this thing is either a genuine egpu, or at least that the dock’s fan is directly controlled by the Switch-2).

[verbal wing]

Yeah, I totally get that.

[tame roost]

i hope ue5 is better optimized for switch 2 than the last version was for switch one lol but we'll see i guess. id like to see games like expedition 33 come to switch 2 and not run horribly

[high barn]

Honestly I hope so. I’d love to see Pseudoregalia get a Switch-2 port (or hell, even a Switch-1 port, the game isn’t that demanding, it likely just needs some fixes on the UE5 end).

[sweet cradle]

is it that hard to believe that ppl live in the uk

[wind belfry]

this kinda runs like ass on PC as well, given how I had to scale down to 1440p

[sweet cradle]

Mouse controls

[leaden kiln]

https://x.com/OatmealDome/status/1918700091122094499?t=EYf2lg0uhbb_nod97gUgQQ&s=33

OatmealDome (@OatmealDome) on X

[Switch 2]

Nintendo is suing accessory maker Genki, the company that showed off a mockup of the Switch 2 at their CES 2025 booth before the console's official reveal.

Nintendo alleges that Genki violated their trademarks.

X · May 3, 2025, 4:12 PM

[tawny halo]

Nice knowing Genki 💀

[leaden kiln]

I would say it was not deep but I understand because nintendo soliders came at him in CES😭😭

[tawny halo]

Suing is Nintendo’s new income stream

😅

[high barn]

Yeah, I’m not gonna blame Nintendo in the slightest for this one, this was Genki going complete “what are you gonna do, stab me?” mode.

[wind belfry]

and indeed Nintendo stabbed them

[leaden kiln]

Same

[high barn]

At one point or another, people in general have to learn that you can’t just blame the lion for mauling the idiot who deliberately jumped into the den to poke them in the eye, right?

[wind belfry]

oh I would never blame anyone who gets rid of idiots

[high barn]

Like, in this particular case it’s just completely clear-cut. They leaked something they were almost assuredly under NDA for.

[vestal notch]

The UK has internet? Thought they were a third world country

United “Kingdom” kingdom = old

[tawny halo]

We very much do 😅

[wind belfry]

they aren't (yet), unlike the US

[eager vessel]

The irony is I went to their website and a newsletter ad popped up that says “can you keep a secret? We can’t”

[sweet cradle]

very funny

[sweet cradle]

knee slapper

[vestal notch]

Something that should happen again

[heady snow]

It was actually 1814

[sweet cradle]

not American?

[vestal notch]

🤐

[tidal tree]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-banana-game-boy-gif-17688916

[rapid pollen]

it's funny, I'm excited for MKW and DKB but I don't know if there's anything Switch 2 related that I'm more interested in doing than playing Pokemon Scarlet on it to see if they actually managed to fix the framerates lmfao

[tidal tree]

i rather play some romhacks then scarlet lmao

but legends za looks promising

[undone fox]

i man pokemon scarlet needs a lot more fixed than just framerates 😄

[vestal notch]

Switch 2

Imma hold off on getting scarlet. Ill just wait til a proper S2 pokemon entry

[rapid dawn]

Scarlet is so badly coded it might as well not improve with the Switch 2

[high barn]

Well good thing it’s directly being advertised as getting a free Switch-2 upgrade.

Also it’s not badly coded in general, it’s more specifically badly optimized and has a memory leak, both being issues that usually only crop up when someone’s getting rushed to hell and back by execs (who knew that such things can occur when you put devs through crunch?)

[proper bear]

Both of which hardware can "fix" to some degree

[undone fox]

plus the horrific graphics, especially in distance 😄

[high barn]

Nah, that’s crunch for a different reason (I think the literal only people who got enough time to work smoothly were the Pokémon designers).

Although I suppose you can argue the graphics looking horrid is specifically also a “poor optimization” issue when they’re designed to dynamically lower their internal resolution to make the game run smoother, and that “oh, it needs basically already needs everything in the distance to be the lowest possible resolution just to run below 30-fps”.

[undone fox]

oh i was just adding to how scarlet/violet were a mess 😄

[high barn]

Fair, I still think they’re pretty good overall, but the games will absolutely be better with the S2 upgrade, even if said upgrade only fixes the memory leak and lets the game run at the original internal resolution at full speed, no “downscaling literally everything just to get the game running at 20-25 fps” like with unmodded Switch-1 consoles.

[tame roost]

this but for echoes of wisdom lol

[eager vessel]

is the beginning cutscene in Echoes of Wisdom unskippable?

I know I'm impatient but the only reason I haven't played it yet is that I can't seem to find a way to skip it

so I just turn it off and play something else

[rapid dawn]

Just how long do you think this scene is.

[vestal notch]

Bro take some adderall or something

[eager vessel]

idk man!! I keep turning it off when I realize I can't skip it!!

I mean is the story in Echoes of Widsom like, really good or something?

alright I let it run while I was working and yeah it's stupid short, I think I have a problem 🤣

[high barn]

Take it from someone who deals with a similar thing except even I know for a fact that it wouldn’t be long but still have to fight the urge to just get something else, yes it’s a problem.

[eager vessel]

Yeah, it's definitely an internal issue. I seem to only have it with video games. Movies, music, etc; no issue. Video games; i'm the WORST lmao

[eager vessel]

real

[pale mortar]

Hmm just saw that Best Buy issued me a refund on my cc, but when I checked my order status on their website, it still says pre-ordered

Hoping I my order didn’t get cancelled

[eager vessel]

Wait

Are you sure it was a refund and not just a release on the hold

I'm pretty sure the money they took was a hold / pre-authorization and then they release it after X amount of time, this happens with almost all of my preorders on anything

[pale mortar]

Ahh ok

[eager vessel]

then when it ships or gets picked up or whatever, they take the monies

[pale mortar]

Goooot it

I guess that makes sense

Ty

[eager vessel]

🙂

I also noticed (for me specifically) that when the hold was released, the charge just disappeared entirely

there was no "refunded" charge or anything, so maybe check for that too 🙂

(Again, this may be different depending on your bank or credit card or something, I'm not an expert haha)

[compact sable]

They might have used a debit card. It’ll show the balance minus the pending charge and then show the full balance back again.

Otherwise yeah, it’ll show as pending and then just disappear

[eager vessel]

They said cc above which I think means credit card

[vestal notch]

Rise and shine, champs!
Time to gear up and do what we do best — turn effort into results and results into revenue! Every call, every click, every win today gets us one step closer to smashing our goals and stacking up success (and dollars) for the company.

Let’s show ‘em how champions make money moves. Let’s go!

[compact sable]

Where do I sign up?

[compact sable]

Some people still call debits CCs and it could be a secured CC which works like a debit as well

[eager vessel]

Learn something new every day!

[prisma raptor]

10nm

rtx3050 (GA107) =

[eager vessel]

what

[prisma raptor]

seems like switch 2 underclocked and cuted rtx2050

in total we get pure performance = gtx1050ti , handheld= 750ti

and real jump switch => switch 2 is 7x docked, and 7.5x handheld (not bad, yes) but it way lower than 780M or 8 Elite

[leaden kiln]

Like I said before

[leaden kiln]

Yep around 40 to 30 fps

[prisma raptor]

10700kf closest to this cpu (except frequencys)

[untold flame]

Mhm chip docs

Modchip incoming!

[prisma raptor]

yh

[leaden kiln]

Sources: @zealous saffron

People already know the chip from the leak cpu is weaker but gpu is bit stronger

Which it's impressive for arm to push the performance further than we expected

[prisma raptor]

steam deck is weak, it doesnt have full 780m

it like 680m or lower + hard limited in watts

[leaden kiln]

Yep

But amazing optimization

[prisma raptor]

steam os, not hardware (can install on any x86)

[leaden kiln]

I agree but steam deck with 40whr vs rog ally with 40whr deffo not the same battery life

[prisma raptor]

rog with steam os way better in battery life then stock

and can be swaped with 75WH

deck cant

[leaden kiln]

See swapped if deck can swapped battery life deck would be overkill for battery life

[prisma raptor]

😄

[leaden kiln]

In fact we would play gba games for hourssss

[prisma raptor]

arm

[leaden kiln]

We need arm to get that proton support then we are bless

[prisma raptor]

/-_-/

[leaden kiln]

Oooo

[prisma raptor]

well, its not what i expected to be on first rumors

its like ps4 power

not even pro

[leaden kiln]

It's funny that game runs 720p 30 to 25fps on xbox series s

[prisma raptor]

xd, S way more powerful

it like rx5600 downclocked

[leaden kiln]

Yeah but the ram and stuff does hold them back even being powerful

[prisma raptor]

not much as u can think

[leaden kiln]

Which I found very interesting

[leaden kiln]

Not too much

Because It would whoop rog ally x

[prisma raptor]

with overclock gpu and ram it can cook

but with increased consumption 🙂

hope switch2 will be hacked in first month, and everyone will be able to overclock it to normal console (ofc hardware chip) maybe after it will be more interesting than now steam deck or even 780m 🙂

[compact sable]

Not gonna happen

[prisma raptor]

ofc 🙂

if it hasn't been hacked yet)

switch 2 on black market first time sold almost half year ago

and I'm pretty sure the first ones were hacking engineers) to start selling mod-chips right away

[compact sable]

Guarantee it hasn’t

[prisma raptor]

maybe)

[compact sable]

You need more then the chips to hack them.

The only reason for the original Switch mod was the Tegra security flaw at the hardware level

The revised chips still weren’t cracked and mod chips only existed because they already had the boot and firmware unlocked from Switch 1. So it was an uphill/near impossible climb to lock hackers out by Nintendo

[prisma raptor]

we (u) will see

[eager vessel]

what

[compact sable]

This is all just theory and speculation

[eager vessel]

haha no no I just don't know what any of it means but I was just being dumb lol

[prisma raptor]

it means switch 2 performance 1050ti while docked, 750ti while handheld

= ps4 (not pro) - docked

[eager vessel]

oh

[prisma raptor]

impressive for switch, but in total that low

[eager vessel]

I'm reall dumb when it comes to specs and etc, that's all

I will say that I never buy nintendo stuff with performance in mind haha

[prisma raptor]

😄

like most of N community

[leaden kiln]

It's crazy phawx Said this yet people was attacking him

[prisma raptor]

where

[leaden kiln]

Let me found it

https://x.com/carygolomb/status/1910859540096036992?t=rgcGwxKPKBzwXYWET_Gtmw&s=33

Cary Golomb (@carygolomb) on X

Let's breakdown power for Steam Deck a thread 🧵

SteamDeck hits max 1.6ghz GPU clocks at ~10 watt. The remaining 5 watt, CPUs can hit 2.4ghz comfortablely and memory controller at max for Uncore.

Switch 2 ***when in handheld mode*** will be less performant than Steam Deck. /1

X · Apr 12, 2025, 12:56 AM

[prisma raptor]

whaat

it has lower even docked

[leaden kiln]

He was the one fully explained it even to the December where the leak came out

DF as well explained that in handheld mode it would see base ps4 level but docked mode like ps4 pro when we found the chip in 2023

[prisma raptor]

DF moment

[leaden kiln]

Well not how phawx

Good thing about this is how in handheld mode it's closer to steam deck but half the wattages which it's nuts to me

[prisma raptor]

steam deck on max power like 1050ti or close

Ally more power

[leaden kiln]

This gets me more excited

[compact sable]

Just keep in mind that DLSS > FSR as well and almost everything on the deck requires FSR so while on paper the S2 is weaker, in the real world the end result might be better

[prisma raptor]

dlss 3.1 is better than fsr 3 yes, but not massive difference

4.0 they wont add bc gpu weak (difference massive against latest dlss 3)

and impact from higher quality model upscale will lower performance massive (just check compare how new model works on all rtx generations)

[zealous saffron]

I don't think the switch 2 will have the gpu power or TDP ceiling to make good use of dlss in handheld mode

dlss is not free

at this point I'm mostly curious how gave devs will handle the massive different in power between handheld and docked

loads of games that would run on a docked switch 2 but have no hope of ever being remotely playable handheld

[zealous saffron]

sub 30 fps lol

so yeah cyberpunk is a great example of a game that will almost certainly be only worth playing docked

elden ring will probably be the same

[prisma raptor]

yh

[zealous saffron]

and that being the case for games from 2020 puts them in a rough spot when the switch 2 is 2-3 years old competing with the ps6

[prisma raptor]

waiting tech analize on exs ...

[leaden kiln]

But more time I bet switch 2 would be perfect for people want to play fortnite

[prisma raptor]

it demanding game

dont think so

[leaden kiln]

They already confirm that it would be 120fps 1080p for fortnite

Games like ea sports fc or madden or 2k would be fine

[zealous saffron]

actually 120/1080 or 40/720 'upscaled' to 120/1080

[prisma raptor]

i have no idea how they do that

[zealous saffron]

and docked or handheld

[leaden kiln]

720p 60fps

[zealous saffron]

actually 720/60 native with no AI nonsense though?

[leaden kiln]

True

It would be fine tho even steam deck could run apex legends 720p 60fps

When it comes to e sports in console it's optimized

[sweet cradle]

guys

do you remember

smell-o-vision

[proper bear]

[high barn]

https://tenor.com/view/little-girl-meme-seriously-wtf-why-gif-16649477

[fallen herald]

Was hoping it's on tsmc 7nm or some Samsung equivalent，so it's using a modified (slightly worse) version of the custom 8nm the rtx 3xxx series use, which itself is already worse than Samsung 8LPP

[proper bear]

Not shocked they'd go with something established over newer. That's classic Nintendo.

[prisma raptor]

I knew that impossible

But want to be ...

[fallen herald]

Anyway, actual games will definitely run a lot better than what those benchmarks suggest.
The simulated PS4 is placed lower than the steam deck but it's already demonstrated by DF steam deck can run games with similar graphical quality and performance to the PS4, but only at 720/800p instead of the 900p-1080p the PS4 runs.

[prisma raptor]

It's not the same

U can do that with any gpu

[novel latch]

The switch 2 is distracting all of us from the reality that gaming is dying

And that Gaming as a whole has a Much MUCH bigger problem

[pine cove]

Idk dude, gaming is kinda fucking tight for me. Tons of new fun games like Indiana Jones, clair obscur, DK and Mario kart to look forward to. Gamepass is tight, steam sales are tight. Idk I always find people saying the state of gaming is dying is way overblown

Looks like Nintendo invites go out today

[eager vessel]

I still don't get the invite, is it just random? like, me being a day one switch owner and having online for 6+ years probably doesn't matter, right? Just curious, I got one from Best Buy so I'm OK but yeah

oh I just checked, seems like there's multiple waves of invites. that's cool

[pine cove]

Basically I think everyone who's eligible and signed up. They try to get a console eventually. But that's just what I've heard. But other than that, if you meet the reqs yeah I think random

[eager vessel]

OK. I think I'd consider it if I got an invite and knew someone who wanted one but I only know ONE other person who wants one and I got a Target preorder for them

I guess I could go for it and then sell it on marketplace at MSRP

but that feels weird still

[pine cove]

I used it as backup, as well as my friends and family, so if one of use couldn't/ we had extra we were covered

I unfortunately don't have one yet so it would be nice lol

[wind belfry]

you also would have had to agree to sending them your data, otherwise you won't get an invite

[eager vessel]

Yeah I was already opted in for that

to the dismay of many of my peers

[wind belfry]

Amazon.de sold the Switch 2 via invite only to begin with, so I think my order with them is pretty safe

was a lil pissed that Nintendo opted to restrict availability of the GCN Classic controller at first to those who bought a Switch 2 from their store, but welp, once they opened that up I got mine too, so all well that ends well

[tidal tree]

Do you think thats worth it? Was thinking about getting one but 70€ seems steep

[wind belfry]

I mean technically it's a Switch Pro Controller at the very least

so while there are countless cheaper alternatives if you just want a controller

there is not much else in terms of an actual GCN one

aside from the RF BattlerGC Pro

so generally ehhh, but I'm down, fuck money

[tidal tree]

Fuck money fr 🙏

[eager vessel]

you can give me your money if you're tired of it i don't mind

[compact sable]

Invites are going out

Apparently even if you haven’t gotten your email yet but are eligible - you can buy

https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/nintendo-switch-2-mario-kart-world-bundle-121620/

[chrome cradle]

Agree with this completely.

[odd scaffold]

AAA gaming is definitely bleak in a lot of ways but there's still a ton of amazing stuff releasing, especially in the indie scene!

[rugged pilot]

If a few big AAA studios that are greedy fail from their corporate love for microtransactions, then yeah good riddance. Might suck to lose a couple IPs, but there is lot of other good stuff coming out.

[heady snow]

Modern times bad, old times good

Idk I'm not a grifter

[wind belfry]

I just want a proper follow up to Deus Ex Mankind Divided and a real Darksiders 3

[heady snow]

Ay darksiders 3 isn't that bad

[wind belfry]

it's garbage as a Darksiders

[heady snow]

It's alright, not as good as one and two but I had a good time with it

I do hope they return to the original type of combat for darksiders 4 though

[wind belfry]

if we just change the genre Mario Kart World as a racing sim should be fine

oh and the NEW Paper Mario are totally great, I don't hate them at all

fuck that cheepo Souls-like-siders

[heady snow]

I think it works honestly, the gameplay reflects each rider's skillsets

[wind belfry]

it's a far cry from Darksiders 1 and 2, which both played like Zelda games with hack & slash combat

sure War and Death played a lil different, but Darksiders 3 is quite fundamentally a different genre altogether

[heady snow]

Eh, it has a greater emphasis on perfect dodging yeah, but there's still more hack and slash combat than most soulslikes. It's only really in the higher difficulties where you have to time your dodges to win. There's still a fair amount of exploration and puzzles. The worst part to me was the environments weren't that interesting

[eager vessel]

If this is true, I';ll keep checking, 'cause I've recently experienced not receiving emails

[crisp swan]

Still no switch 2 for me. Guess I'm gonna have to wing it on June 5th.

[eager vessel]

The email thing was bound to be kind of weird, I'm sure there are PLENTY of like, DIE HARD day one switch owners who've had online since day one that won't get an invite until later, and then probably many like, newer switch owners who are getting invites haha

[crisp swan]

We'll see I think this is it though. Still plenty of online stores without preorders will have stock from Costco, Sams Club, Dell, Newegg, Antonline and a few others. Im also sure Bestbuy, gamestop, Walmart and target will have extra also at retail.

[eager vessel]

I wish you all the best! : )

[crisp swan]

I don't mind getting it a little late I'm mostly looking forward to DK amd Metroid near the launch windowish but of course I'll play MarioKart too cause Mario kart.

[eager vessel]

i'm nervous about my interest in mario kart 'cause there were a few releases where Mario Kart lost its magic really soon after I got it.. but Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U was enjoyable for a very long time since I had friends to play it with

on Switch it was less fun 'cause I did not have friends to play it with lol

[spare kelp]

I keep forgetting about DK

I need to see more footage before I’m sold

[minor bay]

I think AAA has gone somewhere I don’t like in regards to 3rd parties. There’s still more to love about gaming than to dislike though so

[minor bay]

Signed in and it said invite required. Still trying to figure out where it’ll even go. I get Nintendo stuff to two different emails—for the same Nintendo acct. and to top it off, they get filtered to five different boxes 🙃

[compact sable]

Yeah mine says that too.

It’ll say “Success” if you got an invite for the account

[minor bay]

Well I guess that’s easier to check than my inboxes, so thank you. I’m sure they’re gonna send invites to kids that dropped money on fortnight crap or dlc first but it’s all good

[untold flame]

2 weeks crap?

Seems they have constipation

Why would they pay for thet

[high barn]

Eh, the issue isn’t really that, it’s more-so them trying to appease shareholders that actively expect endless consistent growth of value, so they end up being simultaneously too scared of a flop to do new things, and too desperate to just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks, or they throw insane amounts of money at something to try and make it grab attention because they’re still applying the “make games look super high-def will get sales” train of thought to a world where Balatro was in the Game Awards.

So it’s basically a downward spiral and self-fulfilling prophecy where they outright aren’t allowed to be “content with what they have” due to them having a bunch of greedy asshole stockholders wanting them to make more money every year on top of any possible greedy execs that also want that.

[eager vessel]

Some people see "invite required" and some see "invite requested"

[silk hatch]

I didn't bother with any pre orders in store because I figured I would get one from My Nintendo. My father said his local gamestop had 40 there, and he got in line 3 times and got 3 pre orders. 2 for my sisters and one for his boss.

[eager vessel]

that's crazy

[silk hatch]

I was so confident I'd be in the first wave of invites for some reason 😅 but that's okay. The website says I will get an invite eventually

[minor bay]

It’s not saying I’ve registered interest anymore so that’s kinda wack

[eager vessel]

wait what?

[proper bear]

That's wild. I just checked and mine is still good

[proper bear]

Did you get the email and hold off on buying?

Or just received nothing?

[compact sable]

If you click the Registration Page button right above what would be the buy button, it should show you what you registered for

[quasi bolt]

I just got my email, make sure you check your junk folder because that's where mine got sent

[eager vessel]

I was told that even if you don't check the email, if you GET IT, you should be able to buy it from the store, but mine just said "invite required"

[low tusk]

From the NS2 Reddit. It seems like most people that are getting invites are people that registered within a hour or two of the registration going live. There is a way to look at the coding and see what time you registered. But so far it seems like they only got through registrations from the first hour of it being up yesterday, and today is people in the second hour.

Also if your store page updates from "invite required" to "invite requested" it means that you will be available to purchase in the next couple of hours.

So best bet is basically periodically refreshing the store page until it changes to "invite requested" then you can start keeping a closer eye on it.

I guess technically it could be when it changes to "invite requested" they may be reviewing your account for meeting requirements. But there is no confirmation either way.

Just lots of examples of people going from required to requested and then getting in a couple hours later.

[eager vessel]

oh OK, I was gonna' say I registered insterest immediately lol

[proper bear]

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-14457952604098199169

[minor bay]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-gif-18842993

Checking my email every hour

[iron apex]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-ultra-ego-angry-gif-7169566606590383465

[ornate bane]

https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-revises-user-agreement-and-if-you-break-it-nintendo-reserves-the-right-to-brick-your-switch

TLDR they are allowed to brick your system with this new user agreement

[south notch]

Scummy for repair shops

Potentially... If they count repairs from idk "not Nintendo authorized" shops

[latent vortex]

so while the fearmongering is "fun"
nintendo really wont bother too much unless your doing stuff loudly
as always

[high barn]

We’ve been talking about that for the past several hours in #🔥│upcoming-chat

Here’s a couple relevant message links.

#🔥│upcoming-chat message

#🔥│upcoming-chat message

#🔥│upcoming-chat message

#🔥│upcoming-chat message

#🔥│upcoming-chat message

[high barn]

TLDR: This is outright not new in the slightest, literally every company has had this in their terms of service and even outright used it for every single console they’ve ever made since the 7th-gen, and frankly this whole thing is outright just overblown rage-bait due to people wanting to complain and pretend this is brand new, even though people were literally having their Xbox 360’s get bricked in updates because of the presence of pirated games and/or cfw (hence why people have always told you “don’t update your modded/jailbroken console unless people have 100% verified the update is safe for cfw”).

[high barn]

This is not, considering it in practice should only take into account unofficial software (or hardware that tampers with software like a Modchip), and any “bricks” you get from third party hardware is far more likely to be from a bad third-party component than it would be from Nintendo magically detecting that you have an unofficial battery/joystick and killing the system.

[latent vortex]

people really overestimate how zealous nintendo is
99% of people that get wrecked by nintendo went online and went

https://tenor.com/view/tongue-out-gif-20481159

[high barn]

It’s not even fearmongering, it’s people publicly outing themselves as the exact type of idiotic assholes that would complain about you “never telling them about that!…No I didn’t read the terms of service”, the exact type of assholes Nintendo is ironically being comparatively more consumer friendly towards than other companies since they’re actually saying it out loud.

[latent vortex]

i DO wanna point out that it says "nintendo services" specifically
not hardware, because reverse engineering is actually protected by law in a lot of places

[high barn]

Aka, the same types of assholes that made me stop dealing with helping people in my school mod their older consoles “to play their older games with cool mods they saw online” because they’d constantly tell me “hey, it stopped working after I updated it even though you told me not to, what happened?”.

[cloud current]

“Yes I’d like a Switch 2 please. No, not that one, the huge one. Thanks.”

[sweet cradle]

the big boxes are close to the actual size of the switch 2 box

what type of console are you fitting in those small boxes

“could I have the switch 2 XS please”

[iron apex]

Maybe there’s a ton of accessories included

[rapid dawn]

Basically Nintendo already does this. This is more so you can't sue Nintendo in case they render your switch unusable after banning it.

I don't believe they have actually outright bricked switches after banning them. Normally a banned switch will only be unable to use Nintendo's online services but you can still use it for offline cartridges or just mod it to install CFW or Android and be done with it. But it's arguably possible to claim that by banning the Switch, Nintendo made it much harder to use and kind of 'bricked" in that case.

It's probably a much bigger issue with the Switch 2 since it is a lot more dependent on the online library.

[high barn]

Every single one of these companies has had that exact statement in the terms and conditions of any console 7th-gen onwards. Ironically enough, Nintendo is the one who’s actually utilized it the least often, since they almost always default to just the “ban the console from online services” and leave it at that.

[proper bear]

Yeah. But the hate train needs to feeeeed

[torn wraith]

Problem is now.. they can push an and actually make it unusable. I think that’s what they are trying to do here. I will be so happy if there is some sort of vulnerability like the switch 1 found on switch 2 in a couple weeks

[rapid dawn]

I guess they were always able to. But unless they have gone out of their minds, I doubt they will actually be sending malicious triggers like that. More likely than not the Switch 2 will just not be able to do online stuff. But online stuff will be a lot more necessary on the Switch 2 because there are less real cartridges out there.

[torn wraith]

Online stuff isn’t that big of a deal. People will find a way to dump ROM and play those. Once it’s downloaded, it acts as any other rom like Online GBA, GBC stuff that they have currently

[high barn]

You mean the same thing people have claimed they would do for the past multiple console generations?

Including Wii?

https://bsky.app/profile/invoxiplaygames.uk/post/3lor6t6dsfc2d

Emma (IPG) (@invoxiplaygames.uk)

Nintendo says it could brick Wii systems if users bypass, modify, decrypt, defeat, tamper with, their games in 2006 agreement

NinEverything (@nineverything.bsky.social)
Nintendo says it could brick Switch systems if users “bypass, modify, decrypt, defeat, tamper with” their games in updated agreement nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-says-it-could-brick-switch-systems-if-users-bypass-modify-decrypt-defeat-tamper-with-their-games-in-updated-agreement/

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Bluesky · May 9, 2025, 7:44 PM

[wind belfry]

I hope Nintendo fucks up everyone who messes with the Switch 2

[high barn]

Frankly, I’d prefer that if it means they outright have to focus less on going after Switch-1 Emulation (assuming people finally learn to stop fucking taunting them by going “ha, there’s a new emulator we can pirate your games on, what are you gonna do now?”).

Like, they’ll certainly want to focus on both, but there’s only so much focus and effort they can actually give to S1 without taking away focus from stopping S2 from even happening.

So as long as there aren’t enough complete freaking morons jumping into the lions den to mess with them to draw aggro, they should hopefully be too focused on preventing the S2 from ever getting emulated to actually keep a strict eye on S1.

[wind belfry]

I obviously take no issue with emulation, video game piracy on the other hand should be punished (exception: PC games infected with Denuvo // stuff no longer for sale and going for more than the new purchasing price on the used market), and Nintendo straight out disabling a console would be fun

[proper bear]

You're a brave man if you're accepting updates after you hack a device. Heh

Most big name stuff I hack up I disable wifi or if I'm willing to make the effort I'll block all non local traffic

[high barn]

Well, while I would find the reactions funny if it ended up being a repeat of the ShadPS4 situation where the “disabled systems thing” literally only affected the most popular format for pirated games.

(This post was literally in response to ShadPS4 disabling the hacked pkg files that are decrypted and include all the dlc and update data, which is not how PlayStation Store sends those files at all).

[wind belfry]

I mean, technically Sonys digital PS4 games require the console to check in periodically with the servers to verify if they are legal purchases

[high barn]

I would still honestly just be way more annoyed if people start making posts about how “my console got disabled! It was a misfire”, only for others to call out the fact that they left a help page about updating their system without any care in the world on whether the cfw supported it or not.

[rapid dawn]

I actually use homebrew a ton for my modded switch and not to do piracy.

I like having the option to play apotris

Or having a FTP server -.-

[high barn]

Yup, and that’s why you never go onto the modded console’s official servers. That literally being rule number 1 on console modding.

[rapid dawn]

I go to the modded console's official servers all of the time.

I just don't do stuff that's detectable by nintendo at all

[high barn]

In what way? Because when I’m talking about modded console, I’m more specifically talking about going online in the SysNAND while having cfw loaded up.

You can boot the SysNAND without cfw, which is how you would update your games for then playing on the emunand.

Of course, that’s in the event where there is a separate emunand to boot for cfw. For consoles where there’s only the SysNAND, that’s less of an option and so you just have to stick with not going online without scrambling your connection to the official servers.

[rapid dawn]

I boot atmosphere on sysnand

and download games and play online

I just don't modify the sysnand with modded stuff

I need to use homebrew launcher and never modify the "real" launcher icons, for example.

And I don't run game mods online

[high barn]

You know what, fair enough then. I at least remember all that being the way on how people handled modding on the switch before we had the option for emunand.

[rapid dawn]

Well actually, they might be really targetting CFW https://www.reddit.com/r/SwitchPirates/comments/1kj72od/do_not_update_stay_on_1901/

[high barn]

No not specifically “now”, that was always the case.

[rapid dawn]

They really did some mean changes this time.

There's less RAM for applets

and there's a pre-20.0.0 sysmodule that will brick your switch if it reads 20.0.0 data

[high barn]

Literally every new main number update (17, 18, 19) always had some kind of change that would fuck up atmosphere compatibility until Atmosphere caught up and fixed the issue. And in some cases (can’t remember which exact updates off the top of my head, I’ll have to look them up again) the changes were drastic enough to actually brick switch consoles.

[rapid dawn]

It's normal to have atmosphere compatibility get broken, but less RAM is going to limit things a bunch from now on.

They are unsure if large mods are even going to be stable anymore.

[high barn]

Yeah just looked up what I was thinking of, looks like 13.2.0 was a really bad one for modded consoles.

[high barn]

It’s only going to limit stuff on the level of large-scale Tears of the Kingdom mods since that game already took up the practical max ram that games had access to, so they needed to mod the ram for applets to have more space.

I’m personally still waiting before I actually update since I prefer to avoid pre-releases and only use proper public ones, but as long as the game itself doesn’t take up too much ram usage on the Switch-1, and as long as there isn’t any other changes we don’t know yet about the ram allocation, even mods as big as Luminescent Platinum should be fine.

[fast cipher]

Oh they're sending them out finally? (old message you sent I know, just didn't see any invites in Canada go out yet)

[tidal tree]

Yea but consoles will get hacked anyway

[brazen light]

But you'll still be able to hold R or whatever and use nxdumptool ?

[high barn]

Well yeah, applet mode is for booting the homebrew menu from “pictures”.

[brazen light]

Oh ok, then cool, as long as I can still dump my stuff I'm good lul

[eager vessel]

I saw this meme the other day and didn’t get it

[vestal notch]

People act like they hate Nintendo but go out of their way spending hundreds on devices and show them off by playing… Nintendo games… lol

[rapid dawn]

Nintendo are the only company still using or pretending to use cartridges. Which makes their physical games be held to a greater standard.

Everyone knows optical disks are trash so nobody expects any better from Playstation's physical releases.

[eager vessel]

oh ok

I was gonna say people have been complaining about digital downloads in games for like, a very long time regardless of what company it is, so I just didn't get the meme but the cartridge thing makes sense

[high barn]

Not even pretending, they’re currently the only console company that has all their first party games actually being on the physical media and not just being a physical key.

Unironically the only people actually using the physical key thing is third parties, and that’s because of the fact that they’re not actually allowed to do “download codes in an empty box with no cartridge” anymore, so the only people who aren’t looking at it as an excuse to say “hey, we’re doing physical cartridges (but not really, it’s just more useful than the absolutely worthless download codes)” are companies like CD Projekt Red.

[heady snow]

Pingas

[eager vessel]

amazing

[jade tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-movie-thats-a-penis-gif-15277623

[sudden agate]

🥲 Friends to play four swords with

[iron apex]

https://www.ft.com/content/a781c853-3fed-4dfc-b940-4137546180de

[proper bear]

Yeah. Back during the initial tarrifs chaos we assumed as much. I really have a feeling the original planned pricing was around $399 at most. Then a combination of both tactics above probably resulted in what we have now

[rapid dawn]

Nintendo basically got kicked on the nuts because they did the whole nonsense with moving production to Vietnam, but now the difference between Vietnam and China tariffs are not that great haha

[cloud current]

I mean they were already spinning up Vietnam as a big manufacturing partner, the only pivot they made was sending basically everything Vietnam’s factories pump out to the US instead of spreading it around.

If they had actually had to start producing consoles in Vietnam from scratch, it would have taken literal years.

[compact sable]

Yeah, Apple has been doing this as well. It’s smart to not depend on a single country of origin for your manufacturing anyways

https://apnews.com/general-news-cbb0f1278c314645b97cbe167d1e2e3f

2019 is the first mention I can find of it

[stark flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-kart-luigi-stare-mad-angry-gif-4268577

[latent remnant]

So nintendo is the new blockbuster now renting out systems

[latent vortex]

which is funny because they sued blockbuster for renting them

[sweet cradle]

it’s not really a big deal, it’s just bricking modded systems

ppl are acting like it’s a big deal when this has been happening since the 360

[eager vessel]

yeah I think Nintendo gets a lot of ish for stuff that everyone does, it definitely sucks but I think we just got so used to Nintendo not doing a whole lot for a long time.

still sucks tho

[stark flicker]

realistically it will be the same policy as switch 1 where console is banned from nintendo services. an actual intentional bricking just opens them up to a whole world of legal trouble.

[proper bear]

Again I don't think it's something they'd use all that often

Maybe if they could target a known active hack dev or something

[eager vessel]

yeah true

[high barn]

Funny part is they had the same conditions for almost all their consoles since the Wii.

They usually are just more noticeable because they do the ironically more consumer-friendly move of being really open and direct in talking about it (like how the Wii directly used to occasionally warn you about it in the system menu itself when you’re about to boot onto something that connects to Nintendo servers), as opposed to Microsoft and Sony who pretty much never bother to talk about it at all publicly, but have had the exact same conditions since the 360 and PS3 (with the 360 even outright utilizing it on some occasions to have updates that brick the system if you used a modchip and updated without checking to see if your cfw would be safe to do so).

That 360 example is in fact one of oldest reasons for why people warn you about being careful with not connecting to the internet with modded consoles unless you know what you’re doing, as well as making sure not to update the console until you know that the cfw will support it.

[eager vessel]

yeah I think a ton of the "stability" updates for the 3DS were just to patch exploits I think?

[high barn]

The PS3 infamously got an update several years after the previous one that was almost exclusively for fucking with cfw. I think it’s currently the most recent firmware.

[eager vessel]

damn

[high barn]

Anyways, we finally got a list of specs for the Switch 2 and here’s a comparison with the Switch 1.

And here’s one helpful comment that was the literal only one I could find that compares the Switch 2 with the PS4 Pro in a pretty concise manner.

Here’s the link to the comment in question, it was the first thing that popped up when I looked for “PS4 Pro specs vs Switch 2 revealed specs”.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/s/XDk7PblH2Z

[compact sable]

no PS4 is running Ampere though

[high barn]

It is, the power output for the PS4 brick is 4.8V and 2.5A, and then also 12V and 23.5A.

Although the comment did list the wrong CPU and GPU for the Switch 2…and wrong specs values…and wrong RAM…

Ok, I think it may have been Reddit fucking up the formatting and putting the PS4 above the named terms, PS4 Pro above PS4’s specs, and Switch 2 above PS4 Pro specs.

Ok yeah, in that case disregard the image as a comparison with the Switch 2, it’s basically just listing the PS4 and PS4 Pro specs for people to compare with the post’s image of the Switch 2 specs.

[compact sable]

I mean Ampere the Nvidia GPU family

Leagues ahead of what AMD has in mobile

[high barn]

Ah, yeah now I get what you mean. Yeah no, the Switch 2 using Ampere is honestly really cool news.

[compact sable]

Yeah that’s why I’m going to base my thoughts off the inevitable Digital Foundry Cyberpunk comparison. That should get us a good baseline comparison of power

[leaden kiln]

I'm not shocked by this

Since 2023 but wow 9gb ram mmm

It's more than xbox series s

[sweet cradle]

what the fuck

this is a handheld console 😭

[high barn]

Yes, a handheld console compared to a home console that was released around…12 years ago.

Technology has caught up.

[sweet cradle]

I thought that said PS5

I’m so blind

[high barn]

I said PS4, saying PS5 would be absolutely insane.

[leaden kiln]

Man it's mad when you thinking about it

[sweet cradle]

maybe the switch 2 will be able to actually run Minecraft properly now

[leaden kiln]

More like fortnite and apex legends 🤣🤣🤣

[high barn]

Given the memory Bandwidth is insanely higher than Switch 1, that’s unironically going to likely improve performance drastically.

[leaden kiln]

Actually it would be interesting how switch 2 deal with multiplayer games

[sweet cradle]

Same ass thing

Nintendo online subscription

I genuinely wanna eliminate the person who came up with online multiplayer subscriptions

[high barn]

Since one of the biggest causes for the Switch 1’s performance issues was the fact that there would be a ton of effects that require swapping in-and-out stuff way faster than what the S1 could pull off.

[leaden kiln]

Blame microsoft lmao

[high barn]

Microsoft.

Since…2002 with the release of the classic Xbox.

Holy shit, I didn’t even realize Microsoft was doing it on 6th gen!

[sweet cradle]

forgot that Xbox classic live had a subscription

[leaden kiln]

Yep and only 6th gen can play online still this day

[sweet cradle]

they shut down Xbox live

(for Xbox classic)

so you can’t

[sweet cradle]

I think ur talking about Dreamcast

you can still go online there

[leaden kiln]

Actually no because you can use insignia for og xbox

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insignia_(Xbox)

[sweet cradle]

well speaking about official servers

[leaden kiln]

Yhyh

[sweet cradle]

you cant go online except Dreamcast

I think

[leaden kiln]

Dreamcast properly with phantasy star online

[sweet cradle]

that’s what I said

you can go online on Dreamcast still

(Assuming you have a dial up connection)

[compact sable]

At 10w though compared to well over 100 most likely

[leaden kiln]

Ugh those ones I'm so glad we moved on from that but it's mad how Microsoft started all of paying online subscription

[stark flicker]

switch 2 cpu is weak, but its probably good for gaming ecosystem. it's at the point where its strong enough to run modern open world games IF you optimize well. Gives devs good incentive to optimize. Maybe dragons dogma 2 and mhwilds would be better optimized if they want to target switch2

[pine cove]

The ram is a let down, but otherwise its ok

[leaden kiln]

Is it more than xbox series s

It's 1gb ram more than xbox series s

[pine cove]

What year was the series s released brotha

For fun what's the ram available on the steam deck or ally x

[leaden kiln]

Does it matter tho honestly you know devs would look at switch 2 and think mmmm this is money for them

[pine cove]

Oh they'll work with it but it's still a limiter

Same with the series s

Realistically I'm still copping just wished it was more, that's all

Shit the 557 has 12gb ram lmao. Obviously not the same but it is funny nonetheless

[leaden kiln]

To be honest someone who got a series s it's not a big problem at all major games would be fine on here mostly target 1080p 30fps to 720p 30fps to 40fps properly to demanding games

[leaden kiln]

I understand

[pine cove]

I had a series s, amazing machine. But having to reserve 3gb of ram for OS and game chat is nuts for how simple the switch 1 os was. Even the series s is 2

[leaden kiln]

Honestly I'm shocked about that tho

3gb of ram for OS and game chat I mean you got people playing 4 different games

[pine cove]

Wait there's no VRR docked? Seems like a super weird decision

[leaden kiln]

Not right now tho

Apparently it's hdmi 2.0 than 2.1

[prisma raptor]

so, its 15% less powerful in docked and 40% in portable vs rtx2050

[leaden kiln]

Yep like I said downcloked rtx2050

[rapid pollen]

using more recent tech than the 2050 though, ampere vs. turing

[novel crystal]

but also it was a cost optimized chip that was finished 2 years ago

the switch 2 chip is on the same node as the 2050 was I think, being samsung 8nm

[leaden kiln]

Yes

[proper bear]

Should be more power efficient, etc

[leaden kiln]

Yes but more hungry than switch 1 device so 2 hours to 6 hours sounds accurate

[proper bear]

Tru

[high barn]

I honestly think it’s looking to be great news as it suggests they’re bringing back more complex themes (the bigger reason why they didn’t do themes is because of how limited the ram was on Switch 1, where they wanted to avoid the same issue that the 3DS had in how “some themes were complex enough to make booting into the menu take multiple minutes, and that’s without taking the regular system boot-up into account” since ram was also limited on that).

[leaden kiln]

He is probably wish it would be 16gb than 12gb ram

[pine cove]

Yeah I'm just not going to give it a positive spin. I wish it had more

[eager vessel]

I think it's normal to wish something was better than it is, no matter what

that sentence was horrible, one sec

Everything I own (tech-wise, at least) is somehow lacking in one way or another

[compact sable]

Yeah I agree. But I also feel people have a really warped expectation of what the console would be.

Ultimately it always needs to be an easy to use, light handheld with 2hrs of battery life at an absolute minimum.

Despite all the advancements there is only just so much you can do with that especially when Nvidia isn’t a huge player in the mobile SOC space

[eager vessel]

Yeah, I think it's oK to wish something was better but I guess it's how you handle it? idk how to explain

like yeah it could be better, but idc, I guess I was personally expecting it to be underpowered anyway. It's a handheld hybrid from Nintendo, so I kind of tempered my expectations. (I also don't know enough about specs to truly know how 'bad' it is, or whatever)

Lately, I'm the kind of person who got burnt out from expecting a lot from the tech I buy because it bothers me more than it should so for my own sanity I just coast 😎 but I just don't wanna' make others feel bad for having stronger feelings about that kind of stuff

[rapid dawn]

We had an answer lately when Digital Foundry released the specs

The Switch 1 only dedicated one CPU core to System stuff. It was probably too heavy to include themes or make the menu interesting at all.

Switch 2 is giving that stuff two whole cores.

[high barn]

Not only that, they reserved a “whopping” 0.8GB of RAM for the system to use, and most of it is obviously taken up by the system itself, so unless they wanted to do the same method they used for the 3DS themes (which as I’ve mentioned, resulted in the time for booting the menu being practically entire minutes, with that time also being completely separate to the regular console boot time), they weren’t gonna be able to support anything more than what they provided, and I imagine by that point they just didn’t want to bother. The system now using 3GB on top of RAM also being significantly faster does suggest they might legit bring in proper themes for the Switch 2.

[pine cove]

Id take more ram for games over themes any day of the week, but realistically it's cause of game chat

[sweet cradle]

if the OS is using 3 GBs then I better expect the OS to do magic tricks

[wind belfry]

it has Skype permanently running, if that isn't worth it, what else would be

[zealous mason]

Leverless controller for switch 2 SF 6?

https://youtu.be/TmTDW-9ODu8?si=r8vND4RImEe8-DE2

[zealous mason]

1st Valve won't let you own a game now Nintendo won't let you own your Switch 2.

[heady snow]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-say-the-line-gif-22118591

If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing

[wind belfry]

you can't pirate the entire console

[zealous crown]

They are asking for that to happen.

[heady snow]

Well I mean

You kind of can

[high barn]

#1285957011451809834 message

https://tenor.com/view/the-little-mermiad-king-triton-how-many-times-how-many-times-old-man-annoyed-gif-23245373

If that’s “not owning a Switch 2”, then we haven’t owned any of the consoles we’ve ever purchased since 2005.

[zealous mason]

I think that the whole "not owning your Switch 2" headline is misleading. They should have said something "Nintendo cracks down on piracy. Modded Switch 2 will become a brick"

[high barn]

To be more specific, it’ll at most be “Nintendo cracks down on piracy and plans to be way more strict on system checks, Modded Switch 2’s will be bricked if the user is an idiot and connects to Nintendo servers with cfw active”.

The “at most” being for the brick part, since they honestly could also do the exact same thing they did with the Switch 1 and just ban the console from Nintendo Online services, since the Switch 1 also had the exact same terms and conditions.

The way on how they usually disable modded systems is to have a major update that royally fucks up custom firmware like Atmosphere so that it can potentially flat out not boot, which is where the server scrambling would be helpful and prevent your emunand from connecting to Nintendo.

That “major update that fucks up cfw” is actually the main default for most of these companies, just ask anyone who fell for that recent PS3 update that literally does nothing but break systems with the popular cfw installed.

[pine cove]

It's funny how much flack this console is getting, you know it's going to be the best selling launch of all time

[silk hatch]

Just got my Switch 2 pre order from Nintendo baby 😎

[leaden kiln]

Switch 2 is going to make them someeeeeeee moneyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[fast cipher]

Yeah... Gonna be a weird launch.

[untold glade]

I’m gonna assume if I didn’t get an email from Nintendo yet, I’m not going to

[sharp ridge]

They sent more emails today. I’m sure not everyone who’s gotten an email so far has ordered a switch

[cloud current]

Yeah the guy set up as the primary account in our friend group NSO family plan got the email. Ended up not doing anything with it because we couldn’t find anyone local who needed it.

[tame roost]

actually lol people are just shitting on it for views but it gonna be huge

just wait for the "I was WRONG about switch 2" videos in a couple months lmao

[high barn]

I actually got my email today as well.

I didn’t get it yet since I’m waiting till tomorrow for finishing my payment, but then once I do that I’m getting it first thing.

[zealous crown]

I can't decide on a companion device. RP5 or Portal. ><

[rapid pollen]

the portal is the superior handheld, the RP5 is just more affordable & more pocketable

[zealous crown]

Honestly, I'm kidding myself. It's going to be wichever I can find first that I don't have to get shipped from China.

Because I'm picky on color.

[rapid pollen]

are you a fellow "all black everything" bro? 😏

[zealous crown]

Yup. Except the flip 2 I have. And it's going to go bye bye soon.

Well, once I find either of the others.

[rapid pollen]

is the RP5 not available on the retroid store?

I know it's on amazon but at an elevated price: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DT4G4PD2?

[zealous crown]

They are both available. But I don't want to play Tarriff roulette.

[rapid pollen]

go to buy it, fill out your shipping info, see what comes up 😛

[zealous crown]

I'm gonna keep trying to find em here. People are waiting forever for shipping. I'll get it after the switch 2, won't care.

[ornate bane]

https://x.com/mightykeef/status/1923118286788526539?s=46

Mightykeef (@MightyKeef) on X

NINTENDO, WHEN YOU BREAK THEIR USER AGREEMENT.

X · May 15, 2025, 8:48 PM

[rapid dawn]

I mean. We didn't. The fact jail break is necessary at all is morally disgusting.

And if nintendo really do start bricking devices intentionally, that's honestly environmental terrorism as far as I'm concerned.

[high barn]

Necessary how?

There’s like only 2 different consoles I can think of that you can argue outright demanded jailbreaking to be properly functional, and neither of them are Nintendo Consoles.

[high barn]

Ok, so then Sony and Microsoft are already terrorists then.

[tidal tree]

Always has been

[rapid dawn]

In order to install software other than Nintendo-approved software, you need to jailbreak the device.

[rapid dawn]

This is just ridiculous

A ridiculous claim

And I don't give a damn about your console war. Indeed, Microsoft and Sony are bad too. That doesn't save Nintendo from criticism.

I couldn't find examples of Sony and MS bricking devices on purpose, though.
And I am still unsure if Nintendo would do it.
But I was seeing posts claiming that they would be justified in doing that somehow. And no.
If someone uses CFW to contact Nintendo Servers, sure, they could get banned. But bricking the whole thing and making it completely unusable would indeed be environmental destruction.

It would be morally unjustified and if it was legally justified, that would be a great reason to change the law.

[high barn]

So the exact same as PlayStation, and arguably Xbox since that whole “creator” nonsense outright requires paying Xbox?

[high barn]

It doesn’t, but it also doesn’t change the fact that this has been the same exact thing for the past several years.

[high barn]

PlayStation sent out an update for PS3 several years after the previous major update that literally did nothing but brick PS3’s running cfw and fuck up compatibility with homebrew.

[high barn]

Of course it would be morally unjustifiable, that doesn’t change the fact that Sony and Microsoft have been actively fighting that battle for several decades.

That’s the literal exact reason I’ve been consistently using them as examples of companies that did it earlier and why I keep bringing them up, since they’ve literally been constantly trying to set full legal precedent for it being lawful to do so.

[compact sable]

I still can’t get over people actually believing this thing has a “kill switch” installed.

If you get your console banned all functionality is lost because of the deep integration with online services… ie a brick

If/when this thing gets CFW they are always advised to block online Nintendo services and not much will change with the 2.

[lean lotus]

Also like, they had almost the exact same warning with the Wii EULA.

[eager vessel]

you, luh

[compact sable]

Didn’t someone share a picture of a warning the 3DS had and it said the same thing?

[lean lotus]

Yes, this is something I'd worry if they actually enforced through more than just banning your Nintendo Account.

[compact sable]

I do wonder if this means the MIG isn’t patched with the Switch 2 and if you get detected using it you’ll get a ban

Currently I don’t think you face a ban

[lean lotus]

It's like last week when people got heated up about the EULA saying you can't do a class action lawsuit against Nintendo.

When that's basically completely unenforceable, and even Good Guy™️ Company Valve has the exact same kind thing in their EULA regarding class actions.

[compact sable]

No… not valve… can’t be

You mean the same valve that pushes gambling onto kids… that good guy valve?

[lean lotus]

The one morons keep heaping tons of praise for any time they're forced to do something good for the customer by EU governments yeah.

[compact sable]

I’m just excited to get my hardware and play BotW/TotK the way they were meant to be enjoyed… that’s all lol

[proper bear]

Thank God I live in a country that now has VAT but also no customer protection. Best of both worlds!

[high barn]

Yup, the literal exact reason why I frankly don’t give a shit about Nintendo “doing it” is because I outright don’t believe they’d do it in the first place, since they’ve been more than fine with “just ban the console from online and leave it at that”, as there’s way too much potential legal trouble currently for them to likely not consider it worthwhile.

I care way more about the console companies that are actually doing it, since if those 2 ever get into legal trouble over it but actually win the case since “it’s always been in our terms of service and customers agree to it when they buy our console”, then there’s pretty much no potential legal trouble for Nintendo to worry about as aforementioned Sony or Microsoft case would provide legal precedent.

[fast cipher]

Buy it from the official Amazon store in the US. No tariffs.

[novel crystal]

That reminds me I need to sell my retroid pocket 5 eventually 😅

[lean lotus]

I should probably sell my RP4Pro eventually

[sweet cradle]

oh no! Nintendo can brick ppls modded switch 2 consoles! it’s not like this has been happening since the 360

[prisma raptor]

not even close

ring easy to fix, its not hardware kill

[sweet cradle]

what are you on about

[prisma raptor]

damn u dont know what support ...

[sweet cradle]

a modded Xbox 360 ban doesn’t lead to a rrod?

[prisma raptor]

still have a chance, but u can revive it if get

[sweet cradle]

that has no relation to what I’m talking to

[prisma raptor]

switch will/can be like samsung knox, script will kill something on board

[high barn]

Wtf are you talking about? Rrod is the literal furthest from an “easy fix” you could possibly get.

It’s also (if you are talking about the situation with the 360’s) got nothing to do with software in the slightest.

[prisma raptor]

right

[prisma raptor]

actually not, u can fix that by detect and replace capacitors (if I'm not confused)

its not easy?

whereas here, it's obviously not going to be outwardly conspicuous, and it'll be sewn right in.

[high barn]

…That’s not how you fix the Xbox 360’s GPU literally cracking off parts of its ball grid array due to a cursed combo of “horrid solder that melts semi-easily” and “horrid underfill glue”.

If you’re talking about later Xbox 360 models after that whole shitshow with the Xenos chip, then yeah that makes more sense.

Like, I’m not joking, it was a whole freaking thing for not just Xbox 360’s, but also the PS3 and even some laptop and desktops manufactured at the time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox360/comments/ubfv9z/comment/i653jp5/

[prisma raptor]

yeah RRoD couse gpu crack was common problem

[proper bear]

So I'm assuming the piranha camera isn't going to be scalped?

[wind belfry]

lol, nobody wants that 480p cam anymore

[prisma raptor]

actually 360 was most broken console ever, it can die from anything

[proper bear]

My kids will undoubtedly

[high barn]

It was pretty much the exact reason why “Red Ring of Death” was directly seen as a death sentence in the first year after the Xbox 360’s release. You as a user literally cannot fix something like GPU ball grid joints being broken when it’s already gotten the underfill, the best you can do is delay the inevitable.

[proper bear]

Usually that's enough reason to scalp something

[prisma raptor]

unless u can reball ur gpu

requires both skills and equipment

[high barn]

Not without potentially breaking the thing, because the underfill I’m talking about was ironically too good of an adhesive for that to work without access to industrial-level tools while also being too shitty of an epoxy underfill to not warp due to a heat cycle, which only makes it worse because the shifting caused by that warping would also risk the ball grid joints bridging.

[prisma raptor]

Hmm, that's new, I must have missed that period.

[high barn]

No shit, the average person buying an Xbox or PS3 doesn’t have that.

[prisma raptor]

sadly

[high barn]

Now maybe the people buying the desktop GPU’s that had that issue potentially would have, but regardless, the fact that it was affecting way more than 360’s was also a massive issue in of itself.

[prisma raptor]

except in isolated cases

Bc i never see dead gpu which i cant just reball

it's more like some kind of super rare marriage.

if not, that crazy :/ (a.k microsoft moment)

[pine cove]

Love this dude, cracks me up so hard

[tawny halo]

Handy chart i just found on reddit

[tame roost]

fast fusion needs some marketing tbh fast rmx was such a good switch showpiece but it didn't really get any push

[cloud current]

Yeah, and this one’s gonna have to contend with the store having actual games on it day one and the system seller being a racing game.

Honestly I don’t like its odds of getting noticed in the shuffle

[rapid pollen]

the system seller will be pokemon

the only nintendo consoles that flop don't have core pokemon games on them lmao

wii u/gamecube

spinoffs only

even 3DS with kids literally getting headaches from playing it outsold the N64, Game Cube, and Wii U combined 😂

[latent vortex]

unhinged statement seeing as pokemon mainline games were only on portable systems until switch(which is also a portable system)

[rapid pollen]

righto

[cloud current]

It’s definitely true that we’ve never seen hardware be anything but successful once mainline Pokémon shows up, so far at least, but that doesn’t mean everything’s just on life support until it shows up.

Plenty of their hardware is successful well before Pokémon decides the install base is big enough to drag its butt onto the new machine.

[silk hatch]

What are you all going to play first on the Switch 2?

[rain ginkgo]

Scarlet in 31 FPS 🤤

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-dream-himym-barney-stinson-gif-24322817

[silk hatch]

I was thinking of going back to Scarlet as well, haven’t played it since launch and I ignored a lot of content

[wind belfry]

who would even think of playing that shitty game

we doing MK World, shrimple as that

[rain ginkgo]

But imagine it running at higher than 24 frames per second

The glory

[wind belfry]

higher framerate doesn't suddenly makes it a good game tho

[rain ginkgo]

I actually really, really loved it, surprisingly, despite it's obvious and glaring performance flaws

It was so, so, so close to being an actually fantastic open world Pokemon experience

SO close

[wind belfry]

the only halfway decent game they managed to make since BW2 was Arceus

[eager vessel]

responses like this are so extreme lmao

[south notch]

Borderlands 3 to see if it runs at 30 stable

Also I hope that cities skylines gets a patch to use the mouse mode

[rugged pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-kart-world-nintendo-switch-2-mario-kart-gif-15240897908040053161

[tame roost]

yeah its definitely gonna be mario kart first. probably zelda or fast fusion next

maybe some rounds of soul calibur 2 with the boys

[cloud current]

Probably gonna start with Kart and then flip back and forth between that and Pokémon Violet. Wanna do the DLC, and I’ll probably just do a whole playthrough leading into it.

Definitely want to check out TotK’s update, but I don’t think I’ll spend more than a few hours with it anytime soon.

[south notch]

Probably gonna have to start a new file in Pokémon since they still refuse to use cloud saves

[cloud current]

I think the save still transfers if you have both switches sitting right next to each other for the initial data transfer

It’s just not backed up to the cloud if the one your file is on breaks, or if you want to actively flip back and forth between playing it on two different switches

[tame roost]

ive also been meaning to revisit odyssey for a while so i might do that. also i never got kirby and the forgotten land, might look for a switch 1 copy used and get the nso upgrade

[cloud current]

Kirby is later I think, right? I don’t think the extra content is going to be ready day one there.

Definitely also excited for that one, but yeah, 8/28

[tame roost]

oh i didnt realise

just assumed all the "switch 2 editions" were day 1 lol but i guess they arent

oh yeah deltarune is gonna be day 1 right? might do that

[cloud current]

I think the ones that don’t have built-in DLC associated with them are all day one (not counting stuff like Metroid and Legends ZA that aren’t out yet obv)

The ones with new content are later

[tame roost]

oh i see

i didnt really realise that lol

[verbal wing]

I never played Cyberpunk. Might dip into that, but not sure if it'll be worth the price.

It's $23.99 right now on Xbox.