#Switch 2

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proper bear
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To be fair as someone forced to play with my kids constantly, I'll take any new mode that isn't just a rehash of the same tracks plus several new ones XD

twilit nimbus
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Yeah Zee, that was how I felt the first time I played 8

compact sable
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I just want MK8D with like 30 brand new tracks and 20 characters and skins and whatnot

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Just keep dumping content into the old game lol

proper bear
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Yeah. I mean I'll take all that new stuff. But that's pretty much the same game

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I don't mind them innovating a little

tidal tree
twilit nimbus
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I was retroactively surprised to go back to Mario Kart 64 to see that all the cars were sprites; the gameplay felt almost the same as 8 except for the wall clinging and occasional long jump set pieces.

tidal tree
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netcode is shite

compact sable
proper bear
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I do like all the grinding. Reminds me of pro skater. Lol

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Even the tracks and characters are starting to blur at this point

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Bowsers 800 children only have so much depth

twilit nimbus
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I loved Burnout 3: Takedown, the only thing I got worn out on in that game was the soundtrack 😆

compact sable
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I don’t mind them doing something new and adding new techniques to it (the rewind feels dumb though), I just hope it’s not at the expense of that locked down experience we’ve gotten for the core game. That’s pretty much my only concern

If I can fire it up and feel the same thing I get with MK8D and then do free roam when it gets boring it’s a win in my book.

compact sable
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Why we haven’t seen a proper Burnout (1/2/3) remaster at 120fps is beyond me

minor bay
proper bear
clever geyser
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I was waiting for them to announce some micro transactions

compact sable
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Nah they are gonna launch those exclusive to the mobile app kek

tidal tree
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hope we get free track updates

clever geyser
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They are charging for the demo, doesn’t sound like there’ll be much free going on

proper bear
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Can just skip demo

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Again it'll all be on YouTube anyway..going through features and whatnot

clever geyser
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It’s a bit tone deaf though

high barn
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You know what? I’m sold, I love it when Hitman does this kind of wackier stuff.

twilit nimbus
clever geyser
twilit nimbus
twilit nimbus
compact sable
rapid dawn
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I wish they asked full 60 USD for the Switch 2 demo

sudden agate
rapid dawn
prisma raptor
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So is that April 21st preorder date legit for the US?

compact sable
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Nothing is official until Nintendo says so

odd scaffold
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I think all the wallriding and grinding and physicsy stuff looks insanely fun in World. I'm kinda tired of 8D tbh I would've been really disappointed if they just did a Switch 2 exclusive content drop for it lol

proper bear
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Honestly would have been kinda pointless. Just add more tracks to the old game

odd scaffold
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The only thing I could see being weak in World is the in between grand prix race things. Hopefully there's an option to do regular grand prixs, I thought I remembered someone seeing an option that looked like it could be that

prisma raptor
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My boy said Best Buy in Canada already has the switch 2 posters up

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Preorder for them is 23rd

compact sable
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Yeah Canada got their date already

wind belfry
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Whole world already placed their pre-orders doggylol

torn wraith
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wait, Canada you can pre-order now?

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I wonder why they didn't do it US. I think price increase is happening now

proper bear
wind belfry
iron apex
zealous saffron
ornate bane
proper bear
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Probably has to do with the notes app integration or whatever

wind belfry
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get rid of that stupid app then

proper bear
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Agreed

compact sable
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Flappy bird probably had cloud saves

pale ivy
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The tariffs are a big enough deal that 99% of the negativity over switch 2 should be about Nintendo's choice to release the console they've been sitting on for years at the absolute worst time possible

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But somehow they manage to keep coming out with new and different negative press

sharp needle
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a flaming hot take but you know what? I agree

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they could've released it sooner but oh no they had to milk every last penny out of that poor old tegra x1

rapid pollen
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Nintendo should've interfered with the US election to ensure that the tariffs never happened 😂

proper bear
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Nintendo voting machines when?

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Need Mario sound effects when I vote

lean lotus
proper bear
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Well I'm sure it's somewhat dependent on title right?

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Haha. Would be straight up wild if we got dumbed down switches to keep price point

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Would be wild

sharp needle
proper bear
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Like actually removed features? Or has less features in diff regions

heady snow
heady snow
sharp needle
proper bear
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Feel like they'd make sure Europe was updated. Considering they've already done preorders there and consumer support laws

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Like of all places to skip it...

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Guess it might be because the panel has to support it. Or maybe because the 2.0 HDMI port doesn't support it (tho 2.0b does)?

sharp needle
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it's been a while so the details are fuzzy but yeah that was a whole thing that pissed off some peeps who were otherwise interested

compact sable
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My guess is that they removed the VRR listing because it is super dependent on TV support even more then HDR

lean lotus
proper bear
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Yeah. Who knows how good the standard is even on "compatible TVs"

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It's kinda like when usbc first came out and everyone was selling docks. But they weren't all necessarily compatible. Even tho the claim was there

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Wild times

heady snow
high barn
proper bear
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Could be it

minor bay
proper bear
heady snow
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It's a lot beefier

proper bear
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Yeah. Seems like a reasonable five years wait beefy to me

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Unless people were expecting it to rock a desktop GPU or something

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PS4 levels of graphic fidelity ain't bad. Most handhelds struggle to emulate ps3 in that price range

heady snow
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Other than the used market you can't really beat the price for the hardware you're getting

zealous saffron
sharp needle
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really? I could've sworn they mentioned it in their marketing material

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found something searching legion go discord

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looks like they once had a teaser video with this still image, and then updated it later

zealous saffron
sharp needle
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right now I remember, they were called out for advertising a landscape based display when it was actually portrait

rapid pollen
sharp needle
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nah IPS

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still a damn good screen

proper bear
zealous saffron
proper bear
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Every time I pick it up I'm like, why doesn't any other IPS look this good. Lol

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I think I'd have way less issue hunting for OLEDs on handhelds if they just looked that vibrant

compact sable
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The product lead did a statement about it. Internally they confused VRR with the term no one uses ARR which isn’t even true in the Go either lol

sharp needle
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I have been gaslit creeperhaha

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brb omw to ban pope again

pine cove
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Ally x, g cloud

rapid dawn
undone fox
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Studio collapse is still ongoing too

quasi bolt
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so the announced price on the switch 2 and games will stay the same, but accessory prices may change in the future

compact sable
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Sheesh nearly $100 for a controller

quasi bolt
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can't remember how much the switch pro controller was

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$70?

round sparrow
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well at least the base price hasn't gone up like people were expecting

proper bear
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Yeah. 90 day pause and having a ton of stock in country probably helped

pine cove
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Reminder to show interest if you haven't and you're trying to get one in the US

compact sable
pine cove
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I don't see how you can come to that conclusion

compact sable
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So when does the Nintendo preorder notification start - 5/8

what guarantee do you have that you will get an invite - none

What will you do - order one on 4/24 just in case

Stock is short, you now have two Switch 2s because you got selected… what are most people going to attempt?

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The Nintendo selection thing should occur before public preorders so people who genuinely only want one console won’t bother at retailers

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But now you have no choice or recourse because a lottery hasn’t been drawn yet lol

proper bear
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Yeah. I'm confused. Kids been playing my account constantly. I'm just gonna buy one when selected shrug

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Stock might also not be that short. 700K or something. Imagine people may skip because of all the online salt as well

compact sable
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The issue is just uncertainty. The tariff situation will change. Maybe it’ll go away, maybe it’ll get worse. Price didn’t change, price could change.

Stock could be short, could be in excess, want to play new games FOMO etc

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It’s just too uncertain to not go to Target or Bestbuy and try to grab one on the 24th and if you get selected by the big N, then get that too

proper bear
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This is totally anecdotal, but most people I know are just gonna wait for Nintendo to pick them. Most already have a switch 1 (or multiple) and none of the launch titles are critical for them, so they'll grab whenever. Sure in 2 months it could cost $50 more. But it's not a soul crushing price difference for most of them.

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I know they're hoping to at least get before the holidays. Which should be doable

compact sable
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I’d agree had this whole tariff situation not happened. My guess is whatever supply they have in the states isn’t going to be enough come launch day

proper bear
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Who knows. Spending is also down across the board. Especially for luxury items. Honestly there's so much going on I'm not sure you could definitively state one way or another

compact sable
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Yeah but just look at the insanity around GPUs right now.

People lined up weeks after “launch” to overpay on one

proper bear
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But it's been like that for years at this point. Ever since AI came in supply got short and prices got nutty

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I think they're also exempt under the new tarrifs classifications. So I'm not sure that's a product of the economic situation or just demand being high always

compact sable
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That’s my point though, demand is crazy high for anything gaming right now

Add to that the threat that prices could increase if you don’t act now (which is exactly what happened with GPUs) and you’ve got a FOMO storm

proper bear
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Haha. It's a fomonado out there!?

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If I didn't know better I'd assume you're a scalper trying to hype the release (j/k 😄)

compact sable
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Nah, I’ve never scalped something

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I did buy the OG switch to flip though. Happened to walk into Target on launch day (literally didn’t follow a single thing about its release and didn’t care) and they had a single grey model in stock and 1 copy of BotW left. So I figured easy money.

It was a nice day out so when I got to the office it was lunch and I sat in the car and opened the console (they weren’t sealed at launch) and thought it felt neat then put BotW in since I figured sealed or not it would be worth more then I paid

… and that’s that, now I have 4 of them (owned 6) and that OG model is my sons

proper bear
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haha, yeah, i was picking up a themed 3ds at some point, and saw people lining up for an amiibo and picked one up cause i knew there'd be demand, and then put it back cause i was like, what am i doing XD

hushed igloo
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Damn it all to hell,GameStop isn’t opening early on Thursday and I have to work

minor bay
odd scaffold
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What does it have to do with buying things from the eshop? I thought it was just being an NSO subscriber

round sparrow
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but these are only to bump you up in priority, people who don't meet these criteria aren't forbidden from buying a switch 2 from nintendo, they just won't be prioritized

hushed igloo
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Btw,the GameStop employee I talked to said they are enforcing a 1 console pre-order per person rule so they are also saying fuck you to scalpers

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If they go to another store after placing a pre-order they will be denied

tame roost
odd scaffold
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Oh rip me too then

high barn
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Ah shit. Well maybe the first 3 years I had the individual Basic-NSO on my account before my dad made the Family one with expansion pass will count?

proper bear
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I'm the dad with the plan so upgrades baby!

leaden kiln
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For my OGs guys in here

compact sable
cloud current
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I’ve been on the same family plan continuously since they introduced them, but I’m not the primary on it and apparently only the primary account gets a priority invite.

rugged pilot
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I meet all the criteria except 12 mos of nso. Only ever had it a month here and there.

cloud current
proper bear
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Yeah. I feel like originally you had to pay for a year at a time

tawny halo
leaden kiln
eager vessel
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I do get some kind of joy playing Fortnite with my nieces / nephews and my friends kids mostly cause they like teaching someone older how to do things Lmao

proper bear
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Haha. Always fun when it's going that way tho

leaden kiln
compact sable
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Of course it does

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I think most games are going to use it to some extent

rapid dawn
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they can use AI smudge all they want but I just hope it's toggleable

fallen herald
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Looks like some custom variant to fit the lower powered hardware, DLSS isn't too impressive at 1080p even on PC, looks like it will be worse here.

Still better than raw 360p-540p bilinear scaled up for sure though.

"However, we are seeing a slightly different utilisation of DLSS compared to PC. There, it's typically the case that post-processing elements are rendered at the same output resolution. So, if you're outputting 1080p from a 540p image, there are still components of the image that should be rendered at full 1080p.

It may be the case that Cyberpunk 2077 is still rendering those post-processed components at input resolution instead, which may explain why we're able to see obvious stair-stepping edges that make pixel-counting possible."

compact sable
rapid dawn
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Just let me use 540p nearest, it'd be much faster and have the same amount of actual information

proper bear
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One would assume. People online still claiming that the screen will be 4x2 pixels total. So any reassurance doesn't hurt

compact sable
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I just want DF to stop the speculation posts. I know they get traction but they are just incorrect a lot of the time.

Wait to get hardware in hand and then go from there

compact sable
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Fairly certain Cyberpunk doesn’t have 540p as a selection, it’s 720p

proper bear
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Valid, supported, investigated criticism is fine. But most will just slap any shit out there for the clicks

compact sable
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Yeah agreed

fallen herald
rapid dawn
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Fake resolution improvement only improves the looks but it doesn´t information and the DLSS process adds slowdowns

compact sable
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I don’t even want criticism just facts. Let’s see what it performs like. That’s all I care about kek

It’s just annoying when people go the whole other direction with it and claim it’s the most powerful thing you can ever hold kek

fallen herald
compact sable
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I’m really glad it has DLSS to some extent. FSR was awful on TotK

proper bear
compact sable
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For me, it’ll play what was already great on Switch 1 even better and then move the needle slightly to do more improvements.

I don’t need nor want this to play SpiderMan 2 or Cyberpunk

leaden kiln
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I can't lie why they are getting 540p from

compact sable
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I think someone mentioned 540p because it scales linearly to 1080p

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Everything else is non clean scaling

rugged pilot
proper bear
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I know initially it was like a year long trial thing

minor bay
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You can do it by the month for $3 for the basic

novel latch
violet stream
blazing sleet
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The full expansion yearly is only the same price as a few months of xbox/ps5 equivalents so not really worth bothering with month to month.

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one thing they should do better is remind people when it is about to expire, I didn't get an email when mine ran out and as such missed out on the preorder qualification due to that criteria

rapid dawn
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It doesn't need to have good frame rate. Because you'll be busy looking at your own gameplay. This is mire so that you can get an idea of what your friends are doing when you take a peek.

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This is similar to the feed of other people's gameplay you get when playing Tetris 99/SMB35. But of course they can't offef good framerate for this on a high end game.

violet stream
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Fair, maybe it's just me who thinks it silly

compact sable
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Better set those expectations of 3rd party real low. Even docked DF was saying they had trade offs more akin to a PS4 then Xbox Series

round sparrow
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I buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games, for everything else I just play on my PC anyway

compact sable
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100%

leaden kiln
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To be honest even ps4 handheld this is cool for lot of people

north prawn
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Oh yeah. When they say ps4/pro performance, did they mean that before or after using DLSS?

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Like Nvidia saying a 5070 is as fast as a 4090

compact sable
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The issue has always been twofold though

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Firstly the TDP means there is only so much you can do and everything points to a TSP of 10w maximum on the Switch 2 which means TDP is probably somewhere around 3-5w

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Second due to the clocks, DLSS just can’t work well. It needs extra CPU overhead. If everything is limited and hitting constraints you can’t get water from a stone

leaden kiln
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In docked mode the boost would be ps4 pro but little better

compact sable
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DF was saying PS4 and they were docked for their gameplay IIRC

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My guess is it’ll bounce around between the two docked with some visual tradeoffs and trickery being done to hit a PS4 Pro look but maybe cap shadows weirdly or something

leaden kiln
compact sable
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Yeah but also remember any PC ports are going to need to be ported so it’ll never be 1:1

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I’m fully expecting that when they run cyberpunk docked it’ll be very similar to the Deck when settings and resolutions are matched

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First party will for sure be exceeding the deck performance docked

north prawn
leaden kiln
leaden kiln
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Some games would need dlss and some games would not need dlss it depends on the game

compact sable
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Maybe future tier 1 releases across all consoles will have that level of support

leaden kiln
compact sable
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But keep in mind that Xbox Series and PS5 are just x86(64) PC chips so there is no traditional porting that needs to be done for the games unlike ARM

novel crystal
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did digital foundry say how battery life was?

leaden kiln
compact sable
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I’m sure down the road it’ll be more streamlined for sure. But I’m not expecting much on already released titles

leaden kiln
compact sable
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I don’t think they are though

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Like Indiana Jones will never run on switch lol

novel crystal
compact sable
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It’s still a solid generation behind though

novel crystal
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the playstation 4 is roughly 13 years old by the way

compact sable
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lol time flies

round sparrow
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if you were to compare pure rasterization, I'm sure the PS4 might come out on top?

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maybe?

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it's genuinely hard to say, I guess we'll compare bloodborne to duskbloods

compact sable
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I think handheld the switch 2 is supposed to be right near it. Tflops is terrible way to do it but I think the PS4 is 1.8 and the T239 is 2.0 more or less

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Docked they expect between 3.5 to 4

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So it’ll fall between the Steamdeck and ROG Ally

round sparrow
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I mean cyberpunk was unplayable on the PS4, idk if they ever fixed it

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but it seems playable on switch 2

compact sable
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It’s been fixed on PS4

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But it still plays like trash and honestly watching the DF preview it wasn’t great there either

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Handheld is going to be real bad

novel crystal
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what don't you want to play a fps at 25 fps? kek

leaden kiln
leaden kiln
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Mostly 720p 30fps or 40fps

leaden kiln
north prawn
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Guess we’ll just have to wait for a digital foundry video

compact sable
leaden kiln
novel crystal
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which means the next gen pc handhelds will be a fair bit better then the switch 2 🤔

compact sable
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Wait for actual hands on and apples to apples comparisons

leaden kiln
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And phawx as well

compact sable
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And that Z2G POS processor

north prawn
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We still waiting for Z2E even

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Or is Z2E basically the same as the new HX AI chips

leaden kiln
compact sable
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But the 8840U/370/258V/Z2E all are a leap up from the switch.

compact sable
leaden kiln
cloud current
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Idk. A PS4 removed from some of the CPU, storage speed, and memory bandwidth limitations sounds like something I’d be quite happy to game on for the foreseeable future. I get that the bigger issue is devs not optimizing ports for that level of power, but like… bad games are gonna be bad 🤷

leaden kiln
cloud current
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It’s such a viable power level that even on actual PlayStation hardware, we still fairly regularly get games that only get PS4 versions because the felt difference in making them true cross gen games would be negligible.

compact sable
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I’m still not convinced any PC or current gen title is going to play well. As long as you go in with that expectation it’ll likely be fine

leaden kiln
proper bear
cloud current
leaden kiln
compact sable
proper bear
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Xbox Series X Handheld

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leaden kiln
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My one is wild hearts and star wars outlaws

compact sable
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Is outlaws coming to S2?

leaden kiln
heady snow
compact sable
leaden kiln
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September this year actually

proper bear
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I mean let's be honest. There's gonna be some rocky releases. Moreso because of production companies over promising than anything rlse

leaden kiln
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Even assassin creed shadows

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I'm not worrying about ubisoft too much

compact sable
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I haven’t played an Ubisoft game in forever

cloud current
compact sable
leaden kiln
compact sable
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Well because they use the same formula over and over and over and over

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and over and over and over

leaden kiln
proper bear
leaden kiln
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I think devs porting games on switch 2 would not be a big problem or using resolution like 720p or 1080p but more like what more games would come to s2

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And most demanding games

novel crystal
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480p modern games doggylol

cloud current
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The most authentic Oblivion Remastered experience lol

compact sable
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Oof DF says the scaling for DLSS is 2x so Performance setting. Native scaling is from 360p to 540p

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🤢

heady snow
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Yeah that's atrocious

leaden kiln
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No way

proper bear
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This is all stuff they figured out while playing at the event?

compact sable
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Yeah

proper bear
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Man I'd love to actually have someone get one in hand

compact sable
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My guess is that they took quality photos of the panel during gameplay and did proper pixel counting

proper bear
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Not that the device won't report some of that stuff back honestly. But having been to one it's not a real controlled environment

compact sable
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It also helps that they really really know CP2077

proper bear
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I mean shit. For switch 1 they were like flashing strobe lights

compact sable
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So just by looking at how things are rendered they get a good idea of what’s going on under the hood.

I doubt Nintendo allows detailed settings though

leaden kiln
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We would wait to be confirm it when we get the device

compact sable
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I just want to play TotK… that’s it

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60hz stable on a 120hz panel, HDR, no crazy drops that VRR can’t balance out

leaden kiln
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Hell I want to see if thrid party games switch 1 would get some updates

compact sable
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I’m thinking most Switch 1 titles will play better/more stable on the 2 without updates

leaden kiln
proper bear
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Yeah. In the end I'm gonna buy it and play the shit out of it. Just kinda wild the amount of speculation and nitpicking. I mean I guess it's been a while since an interesting console came along

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For mainstream at least

compact sable
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I was always going to buy it if only to play my favorites on an 8” screen a little smoother. Everything else is bonus

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And bigger sticks… really needed those

proper bear
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Oh are these actually bigger?

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Feel like joycons had issues with the 1, but I'm always excited to see what Nintendo uses for hardware. They at least don't seem to always do the whatever gamers think is best right now route

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The way people describe the switch 2 sticks as smooth really has me interested. The N64 stick and handheld sliders were def a unique gaming feel compared to Sony/MS

compact sable
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Yeah the sticks are a little taller and bulkier if that’s a way to describe them

proper bear
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works for me

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as someone who won't immediately go out and buy 4 pro controllers, i'm also super happy the joycons are just bigger and more comfy in general

warped heath
leaden kiln
high barn
minor bay
tame roost
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to be fair these are also launch games, devs might still figure out the hardware better

tame roost
novel crystal
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I feel like the price was too high for what we are getting

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With the switch 2

high barn
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And that’s not even getting into the bit that we’re talking about a jump from Switch-1 to now being on par with a system that is still actively supported by devs.

novel crystal
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Did we get updated battery life numbers for the switch 2?

minor bay
tame roost
heady snow
high barn
novel crystal
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The steam deck is already a console experience with the better game store

high barn
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And people in here are likely to get the Switch 2 just as an upgrade from Switch 1 even in spite of likely having a Steam Deck or some other handheld pc.

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Since, you know, most people use those for PC games, and then use the Switch for Switch games.

novel crystal
tame roost
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yeah i mean i have an ally and im gonna get a switch 2. been waiting like 10 years for prime 4 lol im gonna play it the best way i can

heady snow
high barn
novel crystal
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I mean based on what?

high barn
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Console-like doesn’t involve having to jump into Desktop mode every now and then just to fix some incompatibility from a new update that messed with proton.

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Console-like doesn’t involve game downloads/updates only working while the device is completely on.

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Console-like doesn’t involve multiple games being directly listed as “verified” despite some of them actively having bugs and errors that should’ve knocked it down to “playable with some issues” if the testers played more than the first couple minutes.

novel crystal
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Such as? What games should be demoted in status?

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Also bugs are not unique to PC gaming kek

high barn
novel crystal
high barn
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Do you want me to pull up a list?

novel crystal
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Of consoles getting more game patches then steam

high barn
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If so, let me know what to look for.

high barn
novel crystal
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The os?

high barn
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The games are completely and utterly dependent on the devs and how much they prioritize updating specific ports.

high barn
novel crystal
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People seem to love steam os not sure what you are on about

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And the switch Os is well it could be better

stark flicker
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a person who only grew up with iphones/ipads/macs and game consoles will not have a good time with steamos unless they only play the top 50 most popular games and/or indie games.

novel crystal
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Nintendo has been rather lazy I feel when it has come to the switch Os over the switch life cycle

high barn
high barn
high barn
# stark flicker a person who only grew up with iphones/ipads/macs and game consoles will not hav...

Yup. Unless they’re already used to playing games on PC and especially Linux (since most games are made for Windows, so surprise! you need to use translation layers), not many people are gonna be directly fine with going through the iconic “ok, game crashed immediately on boot, let’s look through the log to find what things I need to update/downgrade/fix just to play the game I want to play right now”.

stark flicker
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I'm a programmer and very technically able, and I still ran into issues with steamos that could only be resolved with factory resets. Not to mention how complex installing non-steam games will be to non-technical people.

high barn
minor bay
novel crystal
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Thinking about the reception the switch 2 has been getting I suspect the switch 2 probably won't be as successful of a gen as the switch 1

high barn
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So unless you really want Mario Kart World (which still only makes that S2 bundle like $50 less than OLEDeck), the S2 is $100 less than the OLEDeck, and it’s still utterly dependent on whether you have a pre-existing Switch Library or you play games on PC and actively have a Steam Library.

novel crystal
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Wait doesn't steam have more users then any console?

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By like a notable degree

high barn
stark flicker
high barn
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Like, the only other options I can think of that are around as good are instead way more expensive (while still having less than legit optimal performance for high-end pc games, the only category of pc games that the Deck can definitively not play well overall).

stark flicker
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and the best part of the deck is not steam os, but steam input. steamos is almost the same as big picture mode on windows. if they had just used windows instead, and somehow made big picture mode to work just like gaming mode in steamos, it would have been a way better device.

novel crystal
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Windows on a handheld is kind of rough

stark flicker
high barn
stark flicker
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actually steamos desktop mode is worse

stark flicker
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they could probably still partner with MS to do something that supports multiple storefronts

high barn
novel crystal
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I mean in general Microsoft has been making windows worse for years

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It's good steam is working on making Linux better

stark flicker
leaden kiln
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At least windows would have best desktop mode but in gaming mode not good at all

stark flicker
# leaden kiln At least windows would have best desktop mode but in gaming mode not good at all

i dont get this at all. big picture mode works exactly like gaming mode. and several manufacturers have implemented gamescope-like slide out settings on their windows handhelds. the real reason was valve was afraid of some kinda evil microsoft shenanigans and wanted an escape hatch in open source linux. I can respect that. what I don't respect is not putting out windows audio drivers even after nearly 2 years.

compact sable
leaden kiln
proper bear
novel crystal
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Doom scrolling? You mean on twitter?

proper bear
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On anywhere people are complaining about the switch. A ton of normies frequent maybe 1/10th of the sites we look at. Maybe like 1/100th

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And then they hear things like VRR and are like, what the hell is that

novel crystal
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I haven't been checking social media

proper bear
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So like where is this reception that it's getting that you referenced?

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I've seen a bunch of positive articles from most main stream tech news sites. Which to be fair, is a glaze fest in general

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Like don't get me wrong. There's tons of valid criticism. But usually the main switch buying crowd is so outside of those same lanes. This community is just one that overlaps hard

novel crystal
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I suspect we might see similar reactions to the 3ds

proper bear
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Yeah. That could be true

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Honestly most people trashing it on social are lifelong veterans of the Xbox PlayStation Console Wars. Their scars prevent them from clear thought

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They also seem to think they're the target audience of the switch, and how dare Nintendo not try harder to get them to buy the console they weren't going to buy anyway.

tame roost
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yeah a lot of the people trashing it are just trying to appeal to the masses lol its a lot of clickbait

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"HAS NINTENDO GOTTEN GREEDY??? NEW SWITCH 2 PRICE DETAILS 😱 "

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it was similar with ps5 tbh (and still is) but sales for that have been fine and the less terrminally online gamers i know like ps5 a lo

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switch 2 will probably be less successful than switch 1 for sure but i think nintendo know that and priced it accordingly. they learned from wii u and 3ds not to expect all the casual audience from a megahit console to care about getting the successor

gaunt ravine
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The Switch 2 is still forecasted by Omdia to sell 14.7 million units globally in 2025 on it's June 5 launch, that’s more than twice the market share of the PC Handhelds which is only 6 million. They also expect it to hold a 85% market share. https://www.stocktitan.net/news/TTGT/omdia-forecasts-nintendo-switch-2-will-sell-14-7-million-units-in-onbbhqro88g0.html

Stock Titan
Nintendo Switch 2 to Dominate Gaming: New Forecast Reveals Massive ...

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compact sable
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lol damn

leaden kiln
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It's nintendo

gaunt ravine
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Another thing to note is that the original Switch's growth greatly benefited from the Covid Lockdowns. (A lot of people stuck at home playing Animal Crossing.)

cloud current
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Yeah and I don’t know that anything is going to get those people to upgrade

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Like, even another lockdown, they’d probably still be quite happy with their Switch 1

prisma raptor
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Do we have the preorder time window for Thursday?

compact sable
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Midnight eastern for everyone but GameStop

Also, it’s technically the night of Wednesday lol

prisma raptor
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Gotcha, Wednesday night for us gamers sounds about right 😂

prisma raptor
compact sable
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Target

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That’s who I am going for

prisma raptor
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I pray that scalpers using bots begin their receding hairlines TODAY 🙏 even though the majority already have em.

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Women included

proper bear
prisma raptor
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🤣

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I got it all planned out man dw. I will find a scalper & ask to meet up near a police department. Never show up and report a suspect with a hidden bomb inside a switch 2 box.

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That’ll show em 😤

sweet cradle
novel crystal
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Did anyone see the oblivion remaster is deck verified but is not confirmed to come to switch 2?

iron apex
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I actually haven’t seen it yet Elderscrolles

ember perch
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I guess people don't really mind the price lol

torn wraith
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yep, it’s just a vocal minority yelling about price. Nintendo people are like Disney Adults, once you start to understand that… it all makes sense

Also, it is great family product so… everyone will just fork over it.

compact sable
tidal tree
odd scaffold
# compact sable Deck verified is a stretch lol It’s verified to boot, has 720p as a resolution,...

Deck verified has kinda gone down the toilet :( Ever since I tried playing Another Crab's Treasure on it and it couldn't reach a stable 60fps(game looks nice but it's not some technical marvel or anything, it's a cartoony 3d souls-like game), I've been having those Switch 1 pains of always worrying about games not being able to run well on it. Crab game is platinum on protondb as well I can't even fully trust that site anymore!

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It says it's platinum and then you look at the user reports and they're like "oh yeah, put it on the lowest possible settings and select a specific compatibility mode and you can get 45fps that dips" like how is that platinum aaaagh

compact sable
# odd scaffold Deck verified has kinda gone down the toilet :( Ever since I tried playing Anoth...

lol read through this article, it’s hilarious. The title of “mostly solid” and then “less then ideal” and “it’s playable” in the body of the article just don’t jive.

People are trying so hard to say the Deck can still run modern stuff and it just can’t. UE5 basically kills it. https://steamdeckhq.com/news/the-elder-scrolls-4-oblivion-remastered-is-mostly-solid-on-the-steam-deck-first-look/

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It requires FSR balanced at 720p (which is mindblowingly low btw), low settings, and the Deck running its hardest and still only achieves high 20s outside.

  • Deck Verified kek
torn wraith
rapid dawn
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The Japanese version of the Switch 2 is less expensive because it is region-locked.

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But I'm pretty sure preorders will sell out everywhere.

leaden kiln
round sparrow
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this is about what I expected

proper bear
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Yeah. No reason it wouldn't be like all their other controllers

high barn
violet stream
warped heath
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has anything else good come out about the switch 2 or just worse and worse lol

warped heath
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if you put it on 720p medium it seems to hold around 60

proper bear
untold flame
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I always see you writing out in depth thoughts about the scenario

warped heath
proper bear
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I mean besides everyone complaining on twitter

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About a device no one has actually done any controlled testing with

warped heath
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''Solid ps4 power'' and defending it, I see lol

high barn
# untold flame I always see you writing out in depth thoughts about the scenario

It’s annoying to me because the main appeal imo with the Steam Deck is the very nature of the fact that it’s a really affordable handheld PC that packs a lot of power for its price.

While I disagree on it (and by extension SteamOS in general) being legit on-par with console OS’s in actual reliability and ease-of-use, it being a handheld PC means it outright gives you all the benefits of a PC (being able to semi-freely mod all your games and even your system itself being one of them) as a handheld device.

It’s apples to oranges, this Orange just happens to be slightly more like an apple than most oranges.

proper bear
heady snow
proper bear
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I think he's trying to say it won't be PS4 performant based on his feelings I guess. Hardware wise it should be

high barn
proper bear
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I mean I guess he could be saying it should be PS5 powerful, in which case he's just delusional

warped heath
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Are people this intentionally dishonest and genuinely unaware of it lol

proper bear
heady snow
warped heath
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"yeah if you think Gt 1030 performance is bad 12 years laters did you want Rtx 3060 performance or something?"

heady snow
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Yeah see this is what I mean

warped heath
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Ah yes the only two conclusions, massive disparities

proper bear
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I mean you could be clear about what you're trying to say. And support it with something. Like an adult?

heady snow
warped heath
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Honestly the Switch 2 is moreso looking pretty bad in the pricing and consumer rights/etc point of view

proper bear
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I guess?

warped heath
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If they can give it the docked performance of the Switch 1 while it's in handheld mode that's pretty good

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If it can't perform about as well as the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X in docked that's awful though

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It should by all means be capable of doing so

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And is running on way better hardware

proper bear
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Lotta ifs in there

warped heath
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Realistically our expectations should be higher than 2013 consoles, the fact anyone compares a 2025 console to a 2013 console as anything but a resounding "that's awful" says too much

heady snow
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Yeah that's just not really where the tech is at right now though

high barn
heady snow
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At least not at an affordable price point

proper bear
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Not in a handheld

warped heath
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Every excuse under the sun ig

proper bear
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Hey man. Looks like you were just surfing for some hate. I'm sure you can find it elsewhere. Lol. We operate under reality here

high barn
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Only other handheld device around this price range is the Steam Deck, and as I mentioned before it’s outright weaker than PS4 in every measurable regard, despite being a 2022 PC.

warped heath
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Already dropped "hate" baselessly as well, desperate

proper bear
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Dude. You literally walked in and were like "how bout how shitty this is eh?"

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Lol

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Please friend. Get help

warped heath
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Apparently I am hating, not this direct misinformation tho

proper bear
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I mean you knew what you were looking for. Don't have to be coy

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If you wanna discuss the hardware that's fine

warped heath
proper bear
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Not really what you said is it?

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warped heath
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Probably proving that in reality not much more good has been found out about it, hence the immediate feeling/need to be on the defensive

warped heath
proper bear
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Can you read? Like no difference between your two statements at all?

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Lol

warped heath
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🤦‍♂️

proper bear
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Guess not

warped heath
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Did I say verbatim?

high barn
warped heath
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Childish fella, gonna ignore

proper bear
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Fine with me shrug

warped heath
high barn
warped heath
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Depending on game

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Definitely not newer games of course

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But the same goes for the Ps4/Xb1 ofc

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Most games are not running at their native output from consoles

proper bear
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Lotta post moving on this one 😆

high barn
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Digital Foundry already did more than enough tests to confirm this much, and they were comparing it to the Base PS4.

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warped heath
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I wouldn't give much credence to Digital Foundry with the recent things exposed from them, but this is a first party PS4 title, you couldn't cherry pick more, is the deck docked or in handheld here though

high barn
high barn
proper bear
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He probably doesn't. But I'm guessing their biased now as well

warped heath
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This is the only game you have given me for reference, am I suppose to imagine all the other examples and just assume you have provided 10 more examples??

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That's not how any conversation works 💀

proper bear
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Bro is like, write me an essay, I can't be bothered. Probably not worth the effort

warped heath
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When you make a claim you provide the evidence, you don't say "this means this" and then refuse to prove it and then complain when someone doesn't immediately agree

high barn
warped heath
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Zeelobby I'd insist you stop self inserting into the conversation anyway, you're not adding to it and just attention seeking

warped heath
high barn
warped heath
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Maybe I'm being too blunt with this, but that's how I have a proper discussion, as if it were a formal argument

proper bear
warped heath
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As you can see above he admits he did so to get a response to use as a "gotcha" like a child

proper bear
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I just thought you actually ignored me

warped heath
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"you replied to me despite saying you were ignoring me"(While I made repeated comments and inserted myself into your other conversation)

proper bear
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Like via discord

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I'll let you support your point with some evidence tho

warped heath
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No lol, I'm not that petty

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I forgot that feature existed tbh

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Anyway I'm gonna say reset to the conversation and we can go point by point because it's become a bit needlessly sassy or something on both sides

high barn
proper bear
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Evidence of the Switch 2s measured performance. Or that the steam deck trounces the PS4. Or any of that

warped heath
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I never said anything trounces anything, I simply said it outperforms in some titles due to better architecture

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I don't think choosing a PS4 optimised first party title is a valid means to compare

high barn
warped heath
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Spider-Man Remastered is a good title to compare actually

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Since it is a first party optimised title

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Which the deck equals or outperforms the Ps4 Slim in

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Although I suppose it's more like equal performance since the deck is running it at a slightly lower native res

high barn
warped heath
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Locked although it can sometimes dip to 27-29

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Not very often though

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1% lows pretty much, very stable it seems unless you're in a boss fight or something with high amounts of

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Uhhh

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Right, particle effects and lighting sources

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Forgetting terminology for a sec lmao

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The main issue I have with what is going to be the Switch 2's performance is mainly the limits of it docked

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You can only scale up so much going from handheld to docked without additional gpu horsepower being given

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So if base PS4 power is being used as a good point for it

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Idk if we can except it to perform as well as the 8.5 gen consoles

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It will definitely help that it's architecture is better

high barn
warped heath
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Haven't specs already released for the clocks of handheld and docked mode where the differences aren't very large

proper bear
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Think dock doubles GPU clock

warped heath
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Iirc the Gpu clock basically doubles and the CPU stays around the same

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Doubling a clock speed definitely is not the same as doubling the performance though

high barn
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Except this time, they’re adding a fan to the dock to allow it to have better cooling when connected to direct power (so battery life isn’t an issue), so now they are likely just letting Docked mode actually stretch its legs with potentially minimal underclocks.

proper bear
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1333Mhz to 1600Mhz for memory

warped heath
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I think they made a mistake with advertising 120hz or 4K tbh

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2K with good framerates will be a struggle

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For the Switch 2

proper bear
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Maybe not doubled back then but could be closer now. The hardware is much more evolved

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Yeah. Id agree with that

heady snow
high barn
warped heath
warped heath
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💀

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New games release and struggle to lock 1080p60 native at high settings

proper bear
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Yeah. I've just seen Nvidia magic in other industries

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Would be nice if we had more references. But it's custom

warped heath
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If the Switch supports Dlss3 and Frame Gen that could make a difference, but I think 2K should have been the maximum they advertised for Switch 2

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They don't have to use the term 2K even, just say double the resolution (which would be true)

proper bear
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Yeah. 4K is a stretch for a lot of stuff to run performantly

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Still 2K in a docked handheld isn't bad

warped heath
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Well, it'll be surprising if Nintendo even supports 1440p tbh

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It'll probably be 1080p60-90fps or 4K30

proper bear
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Still isn't bad

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Steam Deck at 1080 gets around what, 30-60?

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Costs $400

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Doesn't come with dock. Detachable controllers. Hopefully the switch display is a better panel. Better power management. For $50 more

tame roost
pine cove
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Didn't notice it was today lol

stark flicker
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are preorders open or is it in 3 hours? doesnt show up for order on any of the stores

compact skiff
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walmart is up now

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but it's supposed to be now for a few of them, just ticked over into midnight on east coast

stark flicker
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walmart expired as i moved to checkout

ember perch
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My friend managed to get a Walmart Canada order through

tame roost
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i couldnt get walmart canada lol the first time i tried i got a server error and then after that they kept becoming "unavailable" after i entered my cvv

stark flicker
tame roost
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gonna try best buy canada in <9 hours

ember perch
ember perch
sterile drift
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Walmart was working @1am est

ornate bane
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I’m in

latent vortex
zealous crown
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Just got straight through on walmart with the app. No line.

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An hour and 13 mins late.

eager vessel
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Anyone have any issues

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I like helping people try to get these but it’s tricky since idk any of you IRL 😂😂

rapid pollen
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got my shit in

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got the MKW bundle

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total $529.99 😭

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hoping to have that paid off by the end of like, idk, july or so? lmao

eager vessel
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Yeah it’s definitely expensive. When I first started having trouble I debated on giving up on it

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And then target went through surprisingly. The. I did Best Buy for my friend cause he seemed way more stoked about it and I felt bad, plus he’s the only friend I know that’s getting one on launch day

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So Best Buy took forever and that’s when I felt like if it were just for me I would’ve given up Lmao

ornate bane
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I kinda wanted that piranha plant camera

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eager vessel
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Apparently the camera is like 480p someone said

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Which feels a little low

ornate bane
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I mean it kinda seemed that way from the Nintendo presentation

eager vessel
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I think I also saw that any USB C camera works which is sick cause I already own one for work so that’s kinda nice

eager vessel
ornate bane
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Oh really? Damn and it’s more expensive

eager vessel
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Yeah switch 2 camera is 1080p, plant camera is 480p

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Reddit isn’t the all knowing source but these specs are from the UK store so I wonder if it’s valid

ornate bane
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Let’s just hope they don’t cancel any pre orders

prisma raptor
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Snagged 2 bundles, 1 from Best Buy & 1 from Target. Was a super stressful hour and a half ngl

proper bear
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I'm just gonna leave it up to the Nintendo gods to see if I'm worthy

iron apex
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But there’ll definitely be more options in the future, no need to get baited by the piranha plant ;))

eager vessel
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Also I mentioned above but I could only do Best Buy when I changed the address, which was actively for the best cause that bundle is for my friend in Florida

eager vessel
crisp swan
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Only managed to snag 1 bundle at target.

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Tried all the sites

eager vessel
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Well you
Only need one right? Or were you tryna hook up the homies as well

pale mortar
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The bundle wasn’t working anywhere but scored just the console on BestBuy.

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Might try to continue to try to get the bundle and save me $30

crisp swan
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I ordered the pro controller from target but they cancelled it on me saying I was only allowed 1 per household which I thought was funny

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Guessing they confused it with the switch somehow.

eager vessel
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I didn’t realize accessories would also be hard to get

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I just now tried to buy something and I’m in line? Lmao

crisp swan
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Yeah everyone's been saying the accessories will be harder to comeby than the console

eager vessel
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I can survive with my original pro controller but tbh when I got switch 1 at launch I used joycons only for a long time.

untold flame
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The primary purpose is games

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It's a handheld

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It's like saying Xbox is incomparable to PlayStation because the PlayStation uses some other graphics API and the Xbox uses directx

warped heath
minor bay
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Did anyone get an email invite to buy a switch 2 from Nintendo? I’m looking but they send from different email addresses and get filtered all over my outlook

warped heath
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Already mentioned I think it'll be 1080p at 60-90~ fps and 4K at 30

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But as well as that, any console that advertises 4K should be able to at least run 4K well in some way, they shouldn't advertise "4K 120hz support" and then be like "of course we only meant video files none of our games support it"

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Wish there was like, a way to make companies actually have to be honest with performance, no fake frames no "4K120hz"(4K30 ingame) etc

rapid dawn
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No device can realistically run any modern games at 4K

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The best you can get is some DLSS smoke and mirrors.

tame roost
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yeah idk what to say here lol i think consoles should advertise the types of displays they support and if you're assuming every game is gonna max that out that's kinda on you?

minor bay
wind belfry
compact sable
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Legit been 8 years, how are you flubbing this so hard Nintendo

pale ivy
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It's nice that they're giving people who didn't bother pre-ordering a fair chance to get one at launch

dim tundra
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Got 2 bundles

proper bear
compact sable
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From Japan coming out and saying they didn’t have enough for the orders to now this statement, that conveniently appeared after retail preorders went out btw… it’s just crazy

proper bear
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Oh yeah. I got you. Is def nutts. Also like, world kinda nutts. Haha

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Also wonder if it's a protection gambit. They can always have retailers cancel orders if they don't end up with sufficient stock. Looks worse if their storefront does it (might also cost them cc fees)

tame roost
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best buy canada's site has just been down lol i dont think the preorders have even gone live yet? they're goin through it

compact sable
stark flicker
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amazon is doing invite based orders. put a request in. que sera sera

ornate bane
round sparrow
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seeing these preorder cancellations is giving me anxiety lol

ornate bane
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Same

round sparrow
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I pre-ordered mine (UK) the day of the direct, and I've yet to get a cancellation notice

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but they also haven't taken any money out of my account yet for it

ornate bane
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I ordered through Walmart last night,money is already out of my account, just hoping no canceling shenanigans happen

odd scaffold
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The Walmart website broke harder than I've ever seen a website break for me last night lol. I got through the digital line thing and added it to my cart but it just got stuck on the captcha loading icon for like twenty minutes and I genuinely couldn't even go to the Walmart site at all without the captcha coming back up and loading again. Then I opened task manager and saw this D:

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round sparrow
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don't worry, the worst person you know likely got 10 of them from different retailers and is already listing them on ebay for $900

compact sable
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Always

round sparrow
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and the dumbest person you know is buying one of those ebay listings right now as we speak

ornate bane
odd scaffold
leaden kiln
ornate bane
tame roost
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best buy canada put me in a line just when i hit checkout :<

wind belfry
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I'm kinda glad Amazon sold the Switch 2 on invite only doggylol

minor bay
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No gamestops near me, so I’m trying to order online. Site went down at 10:58. Got back in at 11:05 but was signed out. Tried to sign back in but it’s down again

eager vessel
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Not gonna bother w GameStop, my friend and I tried the site once and it’s a mess and it’s midnight here so I’m just gonna go sleep

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Good luck everyone

compact sable
compact sable
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So if they delay it and someone else gets you a day 1 you are out the cash until they refund it

wind belfry
compact sable
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Ohhh you are American

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I thought Amazon US didn’t sell them

wind belfry
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what

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how did you come to that conclusion

compact sable
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I was joking doggylol

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Since you said it’s as bad as assuming you are French, so I went straight for the worst of all

warped heath
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Helldivers 2 runs at 4K High 60 iirc on PS5 Pro

compact sable
idle glacier
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I couldnt get onerip

odd scaffold
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I tried the gamestop site a bit and it was completely dead lol, this whole thing is an absolute disaster

round sparrow
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as expected tbh lol

tame roost
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im almost at the end of the checkout queue i cant wait to be told its out of stock

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this is ridiculous lol. meanwhile i didnt realise staples went live i could have gone for that :<

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gamestop at noon tho ill try that

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RAAAAAH I GOT ONE FROM BEST BUY

minor bay
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Had it paid for twice at GS only for it to freeze

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If I get charged a grand on my card I’m gonna flip out

tame roost
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if you actually get two tho you can probably flip one for profit. its not scalping if you didnt do it on purpose!

verbal wing
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Historians are going to have a field day with 2025.

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Global trade collapses, great depression ensues, 22 million people buy $500 game console.

minor bay
verbal wing
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My card was declined last night at Target and today at Gamestop. When it was declined at Gamestop, just dumped me to an empty cart. So close.

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I've never had my card declined for anything. 🤷‍♂️

ornate bane
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Drove by my local game stop and it’s tent city, looks like downtown SF

ornate bane
compact sable
verbal wing
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Wild to me whenever I'm trying to give a company a large sum of money and I can't.

north prawn
wind belfry
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these US centrist pools that don't consider that the whole world already got to order one kek

stark flicker
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did anyone get amazon order invite?

proper bear
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I couldn't even find a place to sign up

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Not that I care much. Nintendo will eventually throw me a bone. Probably after launch but it's whatevs

chrome cradle
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I don’t think Amazon US is selling it

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Nintendo and Amazon hate each other lol

proper bear
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Oh yeah. Haha

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Forgot about that

stark flicker
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oh dang didnt know amazon us wasnt selling. I put in an invite request on amazon ca

compact sable
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Yeah even Nintendo has standards I guess

proper bear
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I'm fine giving less to Amazon anyway kekdoge

stark flicker
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eh... amazon marketplace barely makes money.

hushed igloo
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So…GameStop is making people go to store if they want just the console…fine by me

south notch
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That's what I was gonna do anyway so it just made things easier

hushed igloo
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I just have to hope I’m not too late to get an order in by the time I get out of work at 4 PM EDT

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My friend snagged one on Best Buy’s site but it sucks he wasn’t given a choice AKA he wanted the bundle but only the stand-alone was available

tame roost
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opposite happened for best buy canada, the standalone sold out before the bundle

latent vortex
high barn
# untold flame Let's not pretend it being a PC means anything really

Eh, I think there’s definitely more of a difference between PC and Consoles than there is with Xbox and PlayStation.

For a video game character comparison, it’s pretty much the difference between Dante (a character with a shit ton of options for moves and utility, not being that strong but instead having a high skill ceiling that when met can effectively make him outright ridiculously good), and Vergil (a character with an extremely minimal skill set, but literally every single one of the moves and abilities he has is obscenely powerful and work remarkably well with his other stuff).

Dante being PC (PC can be difficult to get into at first since it’s more user-intensive for fixing stuff, but can be downright insanely great when you put the effort into it), Vergil being consoles (they literally just work as-is, no need to go into a “desktop mode” to fix anything since any issues present would instead be fixed in an update, no need to deal with stuff like Proton on your own, but in return you can’t do anything on your own, you can only do what it lets you do). Both are good, but in different ways.

untold flame
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Okay? That doesn't mean they aren't competing

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That doesn't discount comparisons

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Since it's arguable that ability is better than convenience

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You know which phone I have from that😉

high barn
heady snow
high barn
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I was never saying they’re not competing, that would be stupid since PC has directly been competing with home consoles since forever, and it just isn’t considered “as popular” because it’s not as simple to play on as a console.

My point was literally just that the Steam Deck isn’t “competition” because it’s a console-like PC, but because of the fact that it’s a handheld PC that is pretty performant and good quality for the price you’re paying, alongside being well supported by the Steam community and Valve.

high barn
# chrome cradle Nintendo and Amazon hate each other lol

After how many times Amazon has delivered pre-orders for first party games way too early, I’m honestly really damn sure the only reason PlayStation and Xbox still trust them for first-party pre-orders is because most of their physical games, even first party, are just “physical keys” that would require downloading the rest so they don’t have to give as much of a crap.

untold flame
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Which one is more worth it

uncut swallow
wind belfry
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why not both?

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also what's the point of the Gardevoir Plush

iron apex
untold flame
wind belfry
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no I mean...

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you obviously need a Vaporeon plush for your degeneracy

vestal meteor
iron apex
vestal meteor
iron apex
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Forgive me mods, for not contributing anything meaningful to this chat

vestal meteor
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I started it

tawny halo
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Although the Switch 2 appears to be everywhere here.

heady snow
uncut swallow
wind belfry
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lol

uncut swallow
odd scaffold
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That is the tiniest ass I've ever seen, weak

hushed igloo
sharp needle
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what a terrible day to have eyes

tame roost
iron apex
ornate bane
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Well this has went down a path

hushed igloo
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Damn it all to hell: my local store ran out while I was at work,went to a different GameStop and the last one was given to someone in line before me and now I’m trying a third

rapid pollen
odd scaffold
iron apex
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Thunderus Incarnate

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Who is Greg

high barn
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And now upon saying this cursed fact, I will take my leave.

heady snow
dim tundra
tame roost
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got the email confirmation on my order like 8 hours late but i got it lol so im good

stark flicker
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bah i guess i lost out. f it. they didn't even announce xenoblade upgrades anyway. Will wait for mid gen refresh with hopefully a <5nm processor.

eager vessel
eager vessel
stark flicker
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for ex: steam deck lcd uses a 7nm process, oled version uses a 6nm process. oled has substantially better battery life.

tame roost
eager vessel
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I never got an email from Best buy

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Lmao

stark flicker
eager vessel
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Neat

odd scaffold
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$629 and it's not the bundle. Scalper or Canada?

iron apex
void cloak
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It says .ca

odd scaffold
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That could mean anything!

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The ca stands for sCAlper, actually

round sparrow
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Con mAn

odd scaffold
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Con Air

untold flame
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I wonder how long it'll be till Christmas

proper bear
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Switch 2 already getting review bombed at target. Our world is so gross

heady snow
odd scaffold
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It's getting review bombed everywhere. Why do these retailers even have reviews open? Lol. I wonder how much of it is because of how nightmarish the online preorder process was

proper bear
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I imagine they'll clear them once it releases

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But yeah. Take it up with retailer support then. Just dumb to review bomb the item itself like Nintendo has any control over how shitty the sites are 😆

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Putting it on the item just reeks of entitlement

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And if not cleared just fucks up anyone looking for actual review feedback when it does release

compact sable
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Fortunately the sheer volume of reviews once it launches will crowd out the dumb ones now

proper bear
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True. I do like when sites allow you to up vote reviews. Not that those can't be bombed as well. But usually that filters out those who were so angry they couldn't buy something that they had to post about it

untold flame
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Christmas soon🙏🏿

minor bay
# proper bear Putting it on the item just reeks of entitlement

I don’t agree with review bombing it, but it’s also an inanimate object. People are mad they couldn’t get one, and with Nintendo hyping how many they’d made and giant retailers not having adequate net infrastructure it’s easy to be frustrated.

Wack all around

untold flame
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Maybe I'll buy the switch 2

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Christmas Day

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400 is reasonable

stark flicker
untold flame
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Or maybe not idk

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We'll see

north prawn
# north prawn
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Did you preorder a Switch 2 today?

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15

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29

victor_answer_id

1

victor_answer_text

Yes

minor bay
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Two PayPal pending charges on my bank statement and my GameStop account has no switch 2 in the purchase history. Yay

north prawn
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ive got 2 orders of the switch 2, each from a different store

minor bay
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I had it in my cart at GS twice, bought it twice and it froze each time (which is why I did it twice—I thought it had failed)

brazen light
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Is switch 2 going to allow usb saves?

minor bay
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Doubt it. Iirc you couldn’t even transfer saves via card last time.

high barn
minor bay
hushed igloo
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I see no point in review bombing the product. Retailers though? Hell yeah

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Pretty sure ALL them deliberately set low pre-order slots just because they are terrified they won't get enough. Denying thousands (if not millions) of LEGITIMATE gamers their chance of buying a switch 2 at MSRP

vestal notch
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I got my pre order in person yesterday at my local ghetto ass gamestop

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Probably helped its in the hood ain’t nobody wanted to wait til open but me and a handful of others

cloud current
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I didn’t get charged though thankfully

hushed igloo
verbal wing
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If I can't get one at launch, I feel like my enthusiasm is going to wane and I won't be getting one until a second wave of exclusive games gets released.

hushed igloo
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I just want one before the late August release of Story of Seasons Grand Bazaar

verbal wing
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I also won't buy anything other than the Mario Kart bundle. So if I have the opportunity to get it standalone, I probably won't.

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Yeah, there are games I really want to play, but I have so many switch 1 games tee'd up, too.

hushed igloo
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My friend wanted the Mario Kart bundle but was forced to go with just the console

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He pre-ordered from Best Buy at ass-o-clock AM

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Would I have done something like that if I didn't have to work yesterday? Yes

cloud current
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Yeah PT was a real cheat code there. Best Buy didn’t even decide to wake up for the first half an hour and didn’t put out consoles for another like, what, 45 min after that?

hushed igloo
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Yes. When I woke up yesterday morning I got a message from my friend timestamped around that time

tame roost
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yeah in canada i placed my best buy order like 2 hours after they said preorders would open cuz their site was just non-functioning for the first few hours

hushed igloo
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Guess I have to make a shit ton of phone calls on June 5th

tame roost
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just go to a rich neighbourhood and check the porches 😈

hushed igloo
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Oh hell no,I have issues with porch thieves in my neighborhood already

tame roost
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if you can't beat em, join em

hushed igloo
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2 weeks ago we got accused by a neighbor because their package was delivered to my house and swiped when we weren't home

hushed igloo
ember perch
stark flicker
ember perch
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On .co.jp too

stark flicker
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ah ok. dunno if prime is prioritized, but I put my request in within the first 5 mins it went live

ember perch
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But wondering if they'll even pick me

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Oh okay, thought it was recent. I'm probably way late

verbal wing
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Just got a US pre-order in at Walmart

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Hopefully it doesn't get cancelled

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YMMV

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Had to hit the preorder button thirty times, but it finally added.

vestal notch
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Anyone wanna maybe start adding each other on here or switch online so when launch day comes we can have a little VC party?

stark flicker
vestal notch
cloud current
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Alright but in a world where the bundle everyone wants is $500, who is $20/year really stopping?

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I’m not saying it’s a good practice, but like… we’re way past that here lol

proper bear
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Yeah. Unfortunately I doubt there's any going back at this point

minor bay
proper bear
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Guess it makes some degree of sense. Since you are paying for them to maintain services you use if you want them. At least it's not a mandatory charge

minor bay
cloud current
vestal notch
wind belfry
verbal wing
gilded basin
north prawn
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so the cartridges are all lies

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i hope my switch orders get cancelled lmao

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since the game isnt on the card, we really dont own any games now. $115 game rental

wind belfry
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I mean unlike the Japanese one we seem to get a real card for Deamon X Machina at least?

north prawn
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im wondering if those game-key cards get tied to accounts?

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lets say you wanted to trade, sell, or give away the card

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and im guessing a mandatory nintendo account to actually use the card

odd scaffold
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We have a real card for Cyberpunk, maybe Daemon X Machina, and all the first parties

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Just seems nintendo gave this option and nearly every publisher was like "hell yes we love this" :(

high barn
# vestal notch Seriously, consoles online service has been paid for years. Old news, bigger fig...

That’s not getting into the fact that Nintendo’s online service is only $20 a year, vs something like Xbox Game Pass Core and PlayStation Plus Essential (both being the cheapest options) costing $10 a month (and before any of you say “but you also get access to GamePass/PlaystationPlus games! It’s way more worth it!”, I don’t know about you, but I’d much rather have no access to GamePass or PlayStationPlus games at all and instead only have online multiplayer for much cheaper, and if I ever decide otherwise, I want it to be on my terms, not forced due to the cheapest option being that).

high barn
latent vortex
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I won't be buying many of the key cards if I can help it
Just like I didn't buy many downloads for switch one either

vestal notch
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Just kind of annoying to be called a bootlicker in the emulation community basically anytime you purchase anything by one of the big 3. Like I get it. Capitalism sucks and MKW is overpriced. Doesnt change the fact im still play it and have fun. Rather focus my anger and disdain towards politicians not gaming. Thats the real issue

high barn
latent vortex
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I'd rather "not own" a game on steam than Nintendo kek

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Anything that releases on steam and Nintendo I'll buy on steam

vestal notch
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Dont blame you.

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I love GOG

latent vortex
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That too

high barn
north prawn
high barn
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Now, if we’re talking about “would I rather play the game on PC or Switch”, then the answer changes pretty drastically.

latent vortex
high barn
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But seriously though, I honestly think the Keycards are unironically the best thing I’ve seen Nintendo do in a long while in terms of “download only” games, since now you actually have the option to sell that “digital” game if you want to, unlike with “download codes” where you were stuck with the game forever, no option to sell unless you simply don’t use that code.

latent vortex
high barn
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Only time where it’s different is if it’s a game where I unironically would want to have on both (one example being games with cross-platform saves like Cyberpunk), in which case I’d buy the Switch version first specifically to wait for the Steam version to inevitably get a sale discount, but even then it’s heavily dependent on me really wanting that game on both, and so far it’s only been like 5 games.

vestal notch
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I hate selling games. I always regret it

wind belfry
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I refuse to buy any gamekey cards

vestal notch
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Are games even on discs anymore? Like is cyberpunk for ps5 all on the disc?

high barn
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Like, by that point it’s literally just them being assholes.

high barn
wind belfry
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so that isn't a great example, given how much work was needed after launch

high barn
wind belfry
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given how big the patches were for this, they can't be using much of what was on the disk at this point kek

high barn
wind belfry
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but stuff like Bravely Default being a gamekey card is just atrocious

high barn
wind belfry
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not even game of the year editions get this anymore

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heck they just smack download codes into the box for the DLC included

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ports are our only hope at completed physical copies mariodead

high barn
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Hell, given how the Switch-1 cartridges were already faster than SD cards or even emmc, if there’s even a slightest chance of the same also being true for the Switch 2? Those devs are literally just going the extra effort to get rid of one of the smaller but still nice benefits of physical cartridges (vs blue ray, which let’s be honest here was never gonna be faster than even usb 3.0).

high barn
wind belfry
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there is a BOTW with Master Expansion bundle? kek

high barn
wind belfry
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how stupid

north prawn
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were there HD texture packs for botw and totk? for emulator

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maybe better to do that than buy those games again for 115 lol

high barn
# wind belfry how stupid

It’s the exact “$90 Switch 2 game” people keep talking about even after Mario Kart being that price in USD was proven to be fake, except even then it involves people thinking the bundle is the only copy available, not to mention the fact that it’s outright less than worthless if you already have the Switch 1 version with the dlc (since at least, as you’ve said in earlier instances, it makes sense to want the fully updated game and upgrade on the same cartridge since S2 carts will be faster plus you save internal storage space, meanwhile the bundle would literally be you wasting $20 extra on a code for something you already have).

stark flicker
high barn
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Last I remembered it was specifically EU due to Nintendo of Europe deciding on doing that (for some godforsaken reason).

stark flicker
heady snow
high barn
# stark flicker Oh.. less widespread than I thought. EU and UK only I guess?

Note that I’m not entirely sure myself since I only know that EU’s was due to Nintendo of Europe (but Nintendo’s other branches could potentially have agreed), I just know that people apparently had to specify that the Spanish link that had the differing prices was specifically Spain’s version, and not Mexico’s, much less all of South America.

high barn
# heady snow Yeah ngl after seeing the price of the Oblivion remake, it's clear to me that Ni...

I mean I agree, but Bethesda ironically is isn’t as much of a good comparison because they’ve actually stuck to making rereleases a fair price surprisingly more often than what most would expect from them.

And that’s of course not getting into the whole “first party vs third party” thing in regard to the fact that of course they’re gonna constantly be rereleasing games to new consoles if they can help it.

ember perch
high barn
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So to anyone who hates this, remember to yell at Square Enix for making a physical key release for a 12GB game.

high barn
tame roost
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yeah game key cards are a fine idea given that the alternative is "physical releases" which are just an empty case with a code in it lol

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its devs choosing to use them for tiny ass games that is the problem

proper bear
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I much prefer it to any other option for digital games.

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Even buying codes that aren't activated off of eBay can be a sketch experience

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At least now something has to physically show up

hushed igloo
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Marvelous has confirmed the switch 2 versions of Rune Factory Guardians of Azuma and Story Of Seasons Grand Bazaar are NOT codes

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Or rather the physical version has an actual game cartridge inside

dim tundra
pine cove
dim tundra
minor bay
latent vortex
cloud current
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It’s 2025, damn near the only people finishing their games before going gold and pressing the media were Nintendo first party and LRG-style operations anyway.

high barn
high barn
cloud current
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If you need patches to play a good version of the game, it was already a download with extra steps whether there’s 50GB on the media or 50KB. And that’s pretty much all third parties on all platforms, and most first party on two of them.

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We lost this fight years ago. Getting mad when they tell you on the box is understandable, but fruitless.

eager vessel
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I’m fruitless too

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Haven’t had a Apple in months

cloud current
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I… had some apple pie a couple weeks back I think lol. Also some assorted fruit yogurts more recently.

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I like fruit a lot, but the combination of still pretty high sugar content and seeming healthy at face value means I have to be careful around it.

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I will absolutely just disappear a whole bunch of grapes before I even realize it

wind belfry