Switch 2

[tawny halo]

Well this is going to gather dust for now 😅

[rapid dawn]

Okay but what do gamer youtubers think

[lean lotus]

Honestly I might not even need an Express card for my Switch 2. I don't really see myself getting the large collection of indies I did with my Switch 1 pre-Steam Deck.

[compact sable]

Yeah that’s expected. The scales will slide towards profit on the consoles as they age and get cheaper to produce

[eager vessel]

Honestly the biggest mistake I've ever made with the switch was buying a ton of digital games I never played or had time to play lmao

[tidal tree]

256gb internal is plenty for some years

[leaden kiln]

Btw nintendo doesn't really take a loss expect wii u or 3ds

[leaden kiln]

The gamer youtubers would probably ignore this

[viscid thorn]

If it costs $400 to manufacture then why is the region locked version in Japan selling for (what I am hearing is) ¥49,980 ($349)? 🤨

[leaden kiln]

Bro it's simple their yen is very weak and their economy is fucked

[compact sable]

Also paying all those language licensing fees is expensive

[leaden kiln]

Plus Japan is like their home market it's reason why nintendo switch sold more than playstation

If you convert it to us including uk we paying the same

[rapid dawn]

Japanese Switch 2 is region locked for a reason

[leaden kiln]

Exactly

Japan had to deal people from other countries to scalpers the device

They Want to make it affordable for Japan knowing their economy is a mess right now

It's like this in uk we are paying £395 if I can convert it to usd we paying more

[open osprey]

Wtf

Now its 145% tariffs

[tidal tree]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-america-united-states-usa-president-gif-15276051259344443850

[lean lotus]

Honestly the fucking tariffs are making me want to get a Switch 2 early so I can at least get it for fucking MSRP

[leaden kiln]

If you guys can get a pre order

[tidal tree]

Trump will do this next week im sure

[lean lotus]

Trump set to tariff goods from the Mushroom Kingdom 200% because he felt like it's not fair that they have 1-Up Mushrooms that they don't sell to the US.

[proper bear]

Lol

[silent otter]

I hear that alot but thats a b.s excuse. Alot of countries are doing worse than Japan. Its nationalism more than anything.

[round sparrow]

at this point, they might as well set the tariffs to 145,000%

[heady snow]

Yeah atp the number is so big it doesn't even really matter

[round sparrow]

tariffs at a gajillion percent, fuck it

[heady snow]

Like is there really going to be that big of a difference between 200% and 145%? I'm not buying it either way

[tidal tree]

I never even thought they’re going above 100%

[round sparrow]

after a point, the numbers become meaningless

[proper bear]

Just do an embargo honestly

[round sparrow]

oh well, small silver lining on this cloud, this screws over all the useless drop shippers

[proper bear]

Think we've already gone past that point

Wouldn't be shocked if Chinese gov helped companies that are impacted with tarrif costs tho. US def wont

[proper bear]

If that was his stated reasoning I might be on board 😆

[open osprey]

Probably only the ones that help their self-interest, has money, and/or are loyal to them. Everyone else can fend for themselves

[proper bear]

To be fair, a lot are loyal. Chinese people like the stuff their gov provides for them for the most part. That's not to say there isn't a ton of privacy invasion and other issues

Even my friends in Taiwan are like, eh, when I asked them if they'd be ok under Chinese rule

Most just want things to stay as is tho. Don't really want either side to start anything. Heh

[leaden kiln]

Yh but it's true tho this point you have to see how sony didn't sell as well In Japan compare to Nintendo

[silent otter]

Yes they are more price sensitive. Most of the world is. The exception are Americans. They buy shit even if they have to borrow.

[proper bear]

Damn right

College for my children. Fuck that. Switch 2 babeeee

That's why Nintendo is being greedy. They should just pay me and give me a switch 2

[silent otter]

China tariffs are actually 145%. Many news stations clarified the 125% was added on top of existing 20%.

[zealous saffron]

obviously loads of issues in china (not too many countries without problems) but there is definitely something to be said for how much better government can get things done when you believe in the concept of administration and government actually being able to do things instead of running on 'government = bad' for a hundred years and then being shocked pikachu face when it does a bad job

"the government is inherently inefficient and incompetent, make me the government and I'll prove it"

[novel crystal]

Right but is that even needed? Did Nintendo even change the os much? I have to wonder why a translation layer is needed and why things don't just work as is normally 🤔

[zealous saffron]

I think it's a much newer architecture for the gpu in particular

and no clue if the new cpu supports 32 bit code at all

it probably does involve some type of translation layer

[novel crystal]

Keep in mind Oren was cost optimized by Nintendo

[round sparrow]

There could be any number of things. It uses an entirely new microarchitecture for one, and shaders are all precompiled for the old switch so they would have to be translated for the new architecture.

[novel crystal]

Right but I don't think you usually see translation layers needed in x86 or android devices

[round sparrow]

This isn't like going from GC to Wii where the architecture was basically the same, but running at a higher clock

[zealous saffron]

I'm guessing the core issue is actually in the 32 bit code stuff the switch 1 did to allow for easier wii.u ports

(same reason yuzu on android can't do NCE on those wii.u ports)

[novel crystal]

You think the switch 2 doesn't have native support for 32 bit?

That would be a weird thing to omit

[zealous saffron]

not at all in ARM land

32 bit support is on the way out in arm chips

apple m series laptops can't run 32 bit apps even via rosetta 2

64 bit only

[novel crystal]

Right but apple 😅

[zealous saffron]

giving up 32 bit support in x86 is unthinkable but in ARM it's already happened/happening - some modern phone chips have 32 bit support but only on their weaker efficiency cores for legacy apps etc

32 bit support is like half gone on android

and will be fully gone soon

there's no enterprise stuff on arm that relies on running apps from 1995

[novel crystal]

Will have to see how the switch 2 works to see 🤔

[untold flame]

The humble yuzu

[compact sable]

Someone also mentioned in another chat here that there was some pretty major instruction set changes and shader changes with the new iGPU as well that causes incompatibilities

[zealous saffron]

yeah I'm curious how good the translation layer will actually be accuracy wise

would be funny if in a year or so everyone's saying it's more accurate to play switch 1 games on PC via emulator than via a switch 2

[compact sable]

My guess is it’ll be pretty invisible to users until it isn’t and very broken

[zealous saffron]

I mean I'm expecting it to work fine

but if you look at a switch 1 game running on a switch vs a switch 2 side by side I'm sure there will be stuff like individual particle effect shaders not being 100% identical

the same way people talk about the nitty gritty of texture processing on the n64 vs emulators today

[latent vortex]

The frame drops are part of the accuracy

[zealous saffron]

I mean if we do proper cycle accurate emulation in the future we should get 'accurate slowdown' like we do on cycle accurate snes/neogeo emus today (with adjustable overclock to prevent it)

but we aren't even at the point of having cycle accurate ps2/gc yet let alone switch

[stark flicker]

he'll demand nintendo to change the name to Mario Kart America

[zealous saffron]

The USA version will have impassible walls all around the starting area

[manic lantern]

The Lexar SD Express cards are back in stock(well.. Back order in stock for early may) on Amazon US for 256 and 512gb. Strangely they even put them on sale.

[latent vortex]

An ice wall around the map, and we will try to get out to the rest of it

[torn wraith]

and give them guns so they end up just chausing chaos to themselves

[zealous saffron]

how funny would it be if the MKW map were actually a sphere and you could circumnavigate it (they won't do that because they are 1000% gonna expand the map with DLC)

but the idea of flat earthers getting mad at mario kart amuses me

[latent vortex]

I knew it would

[latent vortex]

Mario kart world
Mario kart Galaxy
Sunshine island
Whatever wonders world was called

Omg Mario kart with odysseys captures would be interesting AF
Like as powerups

[zealous saffron]

like you posess another racer and then pop back out of them after a bit?

would be funny if you both were fighting for control - on one hand if you work together it benefits you both to get further ahead, but the temptation to steer an opponent into a pit (even though you go in the pit too) would be strong

[wind belfry]

Nintendo Switch Micro SD Express cards have dropped the prices of the unbranded ones significantly, the 512gb one was 160+€ not too long ago, now I could order one for 99€

[latent vortex]

More like the mobs are around the track and you captured them as you drive to get abilities
Lol imagine the trex

[zealous saffron]

oh ok

[high barn]

…Wasn’t that announcement actually just straight up him saying “we will continue to support the Switch 1 with games in 2026”?

Like, that feels like the literal opposite of greed since they’re straight up saying the Switch 1 will still be fully supported. Honestly the video itself just feels like a grifter trying to get outrage clicks.

[wind belfry]

I mean they said the same about the GBA when the DS dropped too

[high barn]

Yeah, they literally were already still supporting the 3DS even when the New 3DS was around.

[high barn]

Yeah, and they did it with that as well. There were still GBA games being released while the DS and even DS Lite were out.

[wind belfry]

they kinda buried the GBA in favor of the DS pretty quickly tho

but honestly

if a game isn't demanding there is no reason not to make a Switch 1 version

like indies would be lunatic to do Switch 2 only releases and ignore the 129million units of the Switch 1 still in use out there

[pine cove]

Blows my mind people are even buying now. These things tend to get cheaper over time, and literally no one needs one for a while lol

[novel stratus]

yeah

[high barn]

Exactly. Like the Switch 2 games themselves being as expensive as they are is bullshit, but them outright saying “we will still be making Switch 1 versions of games, so you can literally just wait to buy the Switch 2 and use your Switch 1” is the complete opposite of greed, they’re literally saying they won’t completely abandon the S1 and essentially force people to buy the S2 “if they want to play any new games from now on”.

[compact sable]

On this server though? Really are you surprised

[novel stratus]

not really?

[wind belfry]

well, I mean, the big first party releases like MK World, DK Bananza and so on will be Switch 2 exclusive for sure

[novel stratus]

you can still play mp4 and legends za

and like

any indie and lightweight game

[wind belfry]

ehhh, I mean, if you want to move all your stuff from the Switch 1 to the 2 you will need one and I imagine the upgrades will take up some space too

[high barn]

Yeah, and they’re already saying they’ll still be making S1 versions of games in 2026.

[novel stratus]

im sure hades 2 is going on the switch 1 unless it isnt

[novel stratus]

xenoblade ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[high barn]

So in other words, they’re literally point blank saying they won’t abandon the Switch 1 and “force you to buy a Switch 2 if you want to play new games that haven’t been announced yet”, the only exceptions being the games that outright need the S2’s level of performance.

[compact sable]

That’s normal for any consoles. Usually have doubled releases for a few months till it’s only indie shovelware before it ending

[novel stratus]

infinite porn game

[pine cove]

As long as a game isn't purposely gimped to work on the older hardware I don't care. Fuck PS4 and PS4 games still existing lol

[high barn]

Exactly. So I don’t get how that of all things is what people are considering a greedy move. It just feels like people either misconstruing it or outright intentionally saying misinformation for the sake of grifting.

[novel stratus]

the switch could not handle the donkey kong game if im being real

more than 20 particles and it struggles

[high barn]

Like, seriously half the convo’s I’ve heard about the Switch 2 at this point were either partially or outright wrong, and while you can blame it on Nintendo’s Post-Direct communication being poor, most of the stuff I’ve seen is just outright people believing and taking clickbait/grifting at face value.

[pine cove]

Oh dude. Honestly

Honestly

People nowadays just bitch about everything new

Literally everything has constant bitching online lol

[high barn]

The console is expensive, the games are expensive, some games are requiring payment for upgrading to a “switch 2 variant”with most giving them for free, the tariffs are likely to screw US customers over. That’s straight up the only complaints/controveries I’ve seen that can outright be confirmed as true, everything else has been just flat out false.

[novel stratus]

yeah

somehow nintendo always makes people become stupid as hell

[high barn]

Yeah no I get that. I’m wondering how we’ve reached the point where we’re literally looking at a company directly saying they’ll still support the previous system as “a show of greed”.

[novel stratus]

the ps4 i think

[heady snow]

I feel like the switch 1 could run it, it doesn't look that different from the original

[high barn]

Like, there’s being angry online, and then there’s literally being “you can totally grow concrete” levels of stupid.

[pine cove]

Imo just tune it out. You are just feeding the machine by even listening or reacting to constant negativity lol

[novel stratus]

TBH its still crazy its getting games

[novel stratus]

maybe

[pine cove]

I don't mind valid criticism but often it's just not

[novel stratus]

honestly i think gamers need to budget better

[heady snow]

Yeah I mean some people just hate anything that costs more, even if it makes sense

[novel stratus]

i think the most annoying thing thats surrounding the switch 2 are the steamdeck users

cuz already theyre obnoxious but like godddd

[heady snow]

The switch 2 lite is going to be amazing though 🙏
Cyberpunk and elden ring in your (jacket) pocket

[novel stratus]

yeah real

[pine cove]

My favorite funny one is people saying, I'll stick to PC. Like idk, if that's the case I'm not sure you ever wanted Nintendo. Like I don't mix the two experiences lol, I go to Nintendo for Nintendo

[wind belfry]

the new Switch barely can handle it

[novel stratus]

demo build..

[high barn]

Welcome to my hell as a Steam Deck user that has used both the LCD and OLED and outright heavily disagrees with the LCD version being “worthwhile”.

[pine cove]

I mean at the right price the LCD can be good. But nowadays it has to be a really really good price

That screen is god awful, worst I've used since I can remember

[spice badge]

Yeah like Nintendo should be the least of your worries

[compact sable]

Until you see the Switch LCD and then you are like, well you have company Deck LCD

[pine cove]

No dude

Deck LCD is much worse

[heady snow]

The only real reason I can see someone getting an lcd steam deck is if they just want a new device, because getting a used/open box legion go or rog ally is a much better deal imo

[pine cove]

Way way worse lol

[high barn]

I know, that’s why I hate it when people just recommend it without in any way acknowledging the fact the LCD screen is awful.

[pine cove]

Deck LCD has back light bleed worse than the cube, 800p on a larger screen, and literally in the 60s color accuracy. 60s bro

[high barn]

Like, it’s not a “LCD was good, OLED is insanely great”, it’s “OLED is great, LCD was genuinely awful”.

[wind belfry]

lol

wtf is this

[heady snow]

Still find it odd how high the resell value of the steam deck oled is tbh, I've seen used versions go for more than msrp

[wind belfry]

just get an Ayaneo Slide bro

[spice badge]

Is it high?

[pine cove]

I mean OLED deck is great, personally best ergos out the box of any handheld

[spice badge]

I think it's fairly priced for what it is tbh

[pine cove]

Fair enough but this has 100% srgb coverage

[high barn]

Oh, and if anyone wants to guess, yes, as someone who outright had all 3 Odin 2’s, Odin 2 shills are even worse. Because at least “just buy a Steam Deck” is too much of a meme for anyone to take seriously.

[pine cove]

Deck has a big 800p screen and in the SIXTIES srgb coverage

[novel stratus]

i forgot the odin 2 mini existed

[heady snow]

It's just usually so close to the new cost that there really no point in buying used

[compact sable]

We can all agree to hate KTR-1 owners though right?

[novel stratus]

do they even exist

[heady snow]

Like valve sells them for less refurbished

[spice badge]

I bought mine used for like 180 dollars less

[pine cove]

I can look at a LCD deck and show you where details in color and overall image are literally lost lol

[spice badge]

It holds its value well but I think it's justified

[heady snow]

You snagged a good deal then

[pine cove]

Only if they defended it

[spice badge]

I see lower prices in local marketplaces and here than what I got it for

[high barn]

I outright would recommend you cut contact with anyone who willingly tries to recommend a KT-R1 without acknowledging any of the issues or saying “you should definitely only buy it used for like half the price, never buy it for what people consider new”.

[pine cove]

Man the game force ace scenario still kills me

[novel stratus]

the kt-r1 died so fucking hard

YEAH THATVWAS SO FUNNY

[high barn]

Like, recommending a used one to someone who’s fully aware of its issues? Go ahead.

Recommending it without any context to someone who’s just looking for a handheld and is new? Literally just an asshole or cope addict in denial.

[novel stratus]

we really thought the 3588 or whatever the fuck it was called was the next wave of handhelds

[pine cove]

Going bankrupt XDXDXD 😆😆😆 then actually cuts all contact and leaves people with busted handhelda

[heady snow]

At least on ebay they're pretty high I've noticed, they do go for less on Facebook marketplace though

[pine cove]

Lmao dam

[novel stratus]

😭

[torn wraith]

I'm a believer that Nintendo will post a date for new pre-order for Switch 2 for NA. Since they haven't said anything today, tomorrow could be the day

[tawny halo]

Managed to secure an order on GC controller although it now sucks! 😅

[compact sable]

It would make sense for them to do May like the Nintendo direct sales

[round sparrow]

why does it suck?

[tawny halo]

GC Classics only. No switch 2 games

But i will use on pc as well probs

[round sparrow]

they said that about every classic controller

even though you can totally use the other controllers with other games

I can guarantee that if a new smash came out, it'd support the GC controller

[open osprey]

Yep

[round sparrow]

https://youtu.be/SO3DpLfuTso?t=130

[open osprey]

Someone played Dark Souls on the N64 controller

[high barn]

Great, so now we’re at the point where we’re getting videos deliberately about debunking misinformation related to the switch 2.

[high barn]

How was it.

[round sparrow]

Nintendo's been pretty bad with their communication to be fair

[high barn]

Yeah, I’m still gonna blame the sheer amount of grifters that saw the situation and milked it for all the outrage clickbait they could manage.

[round sparrow]

you can see it in the video I posted

[high barn]

Like, Nintendo’s Post-Direct communications have been poor at best, but god damnit I refuse to let those jackasses slide for outright making it way worse.

[high barn]

Well yeah, I already know, I’m just curious on if they had any commentary about using it specifically for a Souls game.

[novel stratus]

the game key thing was so egregious
like

[round sparrow]

not ideal, but it works lol

[high barn]

“Wow, it’s so awful that we now have a replacement for those digital code only physical releases that actually lets us sell the game to other people”.

[novel stratus]

its not like they made digital games easier to move around

no way

[high barn]

Even then I’d outright still be pissed if they even suggested that “we were debating making it mandatory to include cartridges for all physical releases and that they’d have to use it as a physical key, but we ended up just making it easier to send your game to other people and letting them continue that bullshit” in the alternate timeline where that happened.

Like, unironically yes their whole Digital Cartridge thing is the smallest baby step imaginable in the “allowing people to more easily transfer their digital games without requiring an internet connection every time they want to play that game” since it literally only gets rid of that requiring internet every single time you want to boot the game part, but the physical keys are outright way better than selling people boxes that don’t have a game in it and “instead just have a digital code for the eShop”, rendering the box literally just a waste of plastic and the entire effort to buy it physical pointless.

[sudden agate]

I personally think that the key card is a better solution than code in box for the consumer (to trade), and better for the devs than having to choose between certain sizes of cartridges as they did for the switch 1.

[wind belfry]

still sucks that Nintendo allows this shit for games that could easily fit on the smallest cartridge available

[novel crystal]

the channel is as far as I can see from seeing multiple videos is very much not a grifter

[high barn]

Great, so it’s them essentially doing outrage clickbait for the “first time ever” instead.

[novel crystal]

or they just look at what companies do?

they say similar stuff about other companies when they do similar

[high barn]

Right, and what exactly is “greedy” about a company outright saying they will still be supporting the previous console and will not be abandoning it even a year later?

[novel crystal]

the way it was said was very tone deaf and reminiscent of what xbox did during the xbox 1 launch

[high barn]

It’s not even freaking tone deaf! It’s the literal freaking standard that most companies are expected to do, where the opposite case “straight up abandoning the thing to force people to buy the new one if they want any of the new games” occurring is the notably worse option.

[novel crystal]

it is tone deaf because of the way it was said

they didn't come out and be candind and transparent

[high barn]

Oh wonderful, so the usual corpospeak made the actually pretty decent thing “sound tone deaf”. Where have I seen that before? /s

[high barn]

I literally do not know how on earth that could be more transparent without directly also revealing and name dropping games that were not supposed to be public info.

Like, at least with this corpospeak, it translates into something that actually makes sense and is pretty good, versus the Xbone situation where the translation from “corpospeak to normal” was outright even worse than the untranslated message.

[round sparrow]

I'd bet it's still more expensive to publish on the smallest cart compared to using a keycard

[wind belfry]

oh it certainly is, but fuck that

like they already used the 8gb card on the Switch 1 to death because it was like $14 to get a game on that, which is the same price as a Blu-Ray for PlayStation/Xbox... compared to the bigger card for $22

[high barn]

Yeah, and a Keycard is also more expensive than just selling a box with a piece of paper. I’m still gonna agree with prog that it freaking sucks that they didn’t seem to institute some kind of minimum requirement for how big the game has to be to be allowed to use a physical key.

But at the same time, it’s still way freaking better than a piece of freaking paper that is utterly worthless once you actually use the code.

[proper bear]

I don't defend it but own one... Am I a baddie now

[sudden agate]

My take is that it will benefit indie devs

[high barn]

No, you’re a victim, similar to all the people who bought it first batch and then returned it because of the freaking screw. You just managed to find something good enough out of it to actually keep it.

[wind belfry]

nah, I ain't gonna buy ANY game-key card

[proper bear]

Yeah. I do have a metal one from China too. So maybe it doesn't have some of the issues

[high barn]

I’d rather buy it for a game I’m “iffy but still overall interested in” than buying said game completely digitally.

At least with this I can still sell it if I ultimately don’t like it, versus being stuck with it essentially forever and getting none of your money back.

[night ridge]

with the mouse gimmick the switch 2 might be an interesting option for playing old PC games like Warcraft, etc. 🤔

[wind belfry]

fair enough, but if i want cheap Indie games I ain't buying them on console

a physical release is a collectible for me

and from that view point these game-key cards are completely worthless

[leaden kiln]

I will say I would buy it on steam more times or get a physical copy it's heartbroken that rollerdrome could have a physical copy

[proper bear]

I guess? I still don't understand it. So they're basically a hardware key for download. So still tradeable, sellable, etc? So then what's the difference from having part of the game on the card and still needing to download an update?

[high barn]

Ok, so that’s where we split in our takes then, since with me Collectors variants like “steelbooks” and such are the only collectibles imo, with physical only being “the game I can actually legit sell if I ever decide to”.

[proper bear]

Still seems collectable to me anyway

A pokemon card is just a piece of cardboard

[high barn]

I do have physical games I keep because I legit like them, but I never buy a game that I’m in any way iffy on digitally, I’m only buying them in a manner I can actually sell to make some money back.

[wind belfry]

I also haven't bought a single game that required additional downloads because the publisher cheaped out on the bigger cards

naturally there are patches these days, but generally speaking most of my physical games are fully functional as they are

[proper bear]

Well yeah. Then that's a choice. Usually there's still updates tho. Even when the whole game is on there

Patch fixed and whatnot

Gotchya

[high barn]

I’ll also prefer a physical version if it’s a game that uses a ton of storage and the game is guaranteed to all be on the cartridge to save storage space (like Cyberpunk as the newest example).

But beyond that, I mostly prefer Physical because I can actually sell it if I don’t like it. I genuinely prefer having that insurance over going purely digital.

And I cannot understate how much I despised Download Codes for being the literal antithesis to said insurance, being the same reason why I actually legit like the Physical Keys being the required “minimal standard” for physical releases that replaces the codes.

[proper bear]

Yeah. I'm way more on board than digital keys or store downloads

[rapid dawn]

They've been doing the game card thing for years already. The Nintendo Switch 2 change is that at least the packages are getting a note about it.

[uncut swallow]

https://fxtwitter.com/Nitrome/status/1910383184589574264

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[proper bear]

No reason to upgrade now

[high barn]

Ok, this is not in response to anything, this is just something I actually found kind of funny.
https://fixvx.com/casiopaper/status/1910511690988351941

alex (@[email protected])

deleting soon

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 11, 2025, 1:54 AM

[tidal tree]

In gmod those were free skins

[uncut swallow]

https://venturebeat.com/games/nintendo-hardware-developers-talk-about-designing-the-switch-2/

Question: Why did you decide against analog shoulder buttons on the Joycons and Pro controller?

Sasaki: From the hardware side, we worked on what we were asked to do. There were a lot of, let's say, very fussy developers around us who wanted to go this route. That's why we went the route we did.

Kawamoto: In terms of analog buttons on the shoulders, there are positives, but also negatives. You lose a little bit of instancy when they're analog. We considered it and decided that instant input would be the better option. That's why we decided to move forward with this decision.

[novel stratus]

cool..

[uncut swallow]

3rd parties will be funny cause of that

[tawny halo]

Kinda wish they tried something new like pressure sensitive shoulders. Keyboards are coming out with pressure sensitive keys that basically act as analog when needed. Would have been awesome if they used that to make cool shoulders on these. Ah well. Switch 3 maybe 🤷🏻‍♂️ haha

[uncut swallow]

I guess explains why they have special gamepad for GC

[wind belfry]

a normal pad with analogue triggers is already a compromise

[odd scaffold]

I wish more controller makers would use analogue triggers with trigger stops, I have a Vader 3 and the trigger stops are super nice

[wind belfry]

I so rarely need analogue triggers on modern games that they not being present on Switch 2 is of lil issue

As long as game devs support analogue triggers you can always use a 3rd party controller too

[lean lotus]

Honestly my main problem with them not having analog triggers is that they made a big deal bout Gamecube, and then it's like. "Oh by the way, fuck your gamecube games that use it, buy our Gamecube controller you can only use with NSO and not the rest of the system"

[uncut swallow]

aslo they made big deal about third patties coming back

[wind belfry]

Ehh, wouldn't want to play some GCN with basic analogue triggers

The RF Battler GC Pro improved there for a reason

[eager vessel]

what's an analogue trigger

[round sparrow]

when the L and R buttons have travel to them, so you can press them lightly for games that support them

like the gamecube controller

it's good for racing games where you want to control how much you're accelerating

it's also used in luigi's mansion, you can control how much your vacuum is sucking by how much you press the button

[lean lotus]

Better to have analog triggers than no analog triggers at all, which is what the Switch 2 Joycon and Pro do.

[wind belfry]

Sure sure, but you don't really need them anyway

[tawny halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-buy-more-roy-cat-buy-roy-crypto-royale-buy-more-gif-13156032024467244681

[proper bear]

I like there optimism that 90 days means 90 days, and not like, a week later when he's bored

[undone fox]

haha yep 😄 this can all change just because he had a more tricky shit than usual

[proper bear]

Diet coke and McDonald's burger induced rage

[compact sable]

A lot of shooters and third party games really need analogue triggers.

I wonder if the console supports it (Switch 1 didn’t) because if it does not then third parties are going to have a tough time porting

[blazing sleet]

They could always push it back further if he does stuff that's more stupid, they could even go retro and not have a global launch

[compact sable]

Makes a lot of sense to push it to just after the notifications for Nintendo Direct

[proper bear]

Watch them do a range. "Order the Nintendo Switch 2! $450-$1000!"

[eager vessel]

Cool, thanks

[eager vessel]

People online are already pointing out that this is apparently just for the Nintendo invitations from their online store

But it's phrased as if it's the national preorder date even for retailers, so maybe some clarification is in order :S

[proper bear]

Feel like you don't put that out unless it's national. Also retailers gonna retail. They'll likely put out pre-orders as soon as they get the price, regardless if they'll get units sooner vs later

[leaden kiln]

May is crazy

[proper bear]

Like just in general?

[leaden kiln]

In general at least April 20th or something

[proper bear]

Oh the distance from now. Yeah. I guess that gives them a month to see what the weekly tarrif changes are like.

[leaden kiln]

Mmm

[proper bear]

Daily increases on China probably have a chilling effect on the marketing department, heh

[compact sable]

Starting At!

[odd scaffold]

It increases by $1 for every person who preorders

First person gets it for 450, second person for 451, etc etc

Businesses should hire me

[ember perch]

This would be a fun experiment to see at what price people stop buying it lol

[wind belfry]

I would also be mad if someone gave me Diet Coke

[odd scaffold]

Are we talking diet coke from a can, diet coke from a bottle, or diet coke from a soda fountain in a cup? Those are three very different beverages

[wind belfry]

Diet Coke always tastes iffy, Coke Zero is better

[odd scaffold]

For sure. Idk why but I like Diet Coke with peanut butter toast and peanutbutter crackers

Diet Dr Pepper is where it's at though, I actually like that one more than Dr Pepper Zero!

[blazing sleet]

Wasn't diet coke based on the new coke formula while zero coke is based on normal coke?

[zealous saffron]

coke zero is just a more modern formulation that tastes more like regular coke, but because diet coke is so old you have people who have been drinking diet since the 80s who don't want it to taste more like regular coke at this point

but if you keep the regular diet coke only you're losing sales of people who would switch from regular to diet (if someone is doing it for health reasons they'll stop buying your product entirely if diet isn't good enough for them, plus diet soda drinkers drink WAY more soda than regular soda drinkers so they actually have a financial incentive to switch us to diet)

so they're stuck mantaining two lines now - one that is the classic diet coke taste and one that is a modern formulation

and they'll probably eventually retire the old diet formula once the people who got hooked on it in the pre-zero days die off

[wind belfry]

you can taste the artificial sweetener in diet coke, it's disgusting

[zealous saffron]

yeah it just subbed out sugar for aspartame, coke zero uses a blend of a few different artificial sweeteners so none of the distinct flavours of them are too too strong

[open osprey]

Tbf tho, selling less than the switch 1 will probably be less of a negative than selling less than the N64

[wind belfry]

I don't care how much it sells, if the Switch 2 has such a brilliant library as the GCN, I couldn't be happier

[open osprey]

Yee

Gimme good games and updates on existing switch 1 games and I'll be set

[round sparrow]

the gamecube was my favourite nintendo console

so I'd be satisfied with this

[jade tapir]

GameCube is underrated. So many great games.

[blazing sleet]

They will probably keep both going, it lets them market them at different groups or demographics

[leaden kiln]

You know hell yh

[zealous saffron]

true, based on who started drinking diet soda when diet coke has functionally become the 'girl' one while zero is the 'boy' one

which is why zero has iron man and shit on the can half the time

[wind belfry]

remember the early advertisement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUAfOo2r0OA

[stark flicker]

worst case switch 2 will still be able to play most of the switch library. will still go down as a great console.

[zealous saffron]

oh that's bad

[wind belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BxDcn3Jw0c

[rapid dawn]

It's a given that the Switch 2 will be selling less than the Switch 1 but like, people that the Switch 2 has to sell more than the Switch 1 in order not to be a failure are really tripping.

[wind belfry]

would be fun if it actually outsells the Switch 1

but also a first in Nintendo history where a direct successor to a previous concept isn't selling less

[odd scaffold]

Remember before Dr. Pepper Zero was a thing they did Dr. Pepper 23 which had 23 calories and it was marketed as the epic man drink for real manly men

[wind belfry]

NES - SNES
N64 - GCN
Wii - Wii U
GB(C) - GBA
DS - 3DS
Switch - Switch 2 (?)

there is just no winning for them

[odd scaffold]

Oh it was Dr. Pepper 10, not 23 lol

God Jesus they really went for it huh

[proper bear]

Haha. People may hate "woke" but the opposite direction is just so cringe

[wind belfry]

peak 2000s advertisement

[odd scaffold]

Y'know this probably would've been less out of place in the early 2000s but this was in 2011 lmao

[wind belfry]

the coke zero commercials were from like 2007 or 2008 I think?

so they are just a few years behind at Dr. Pepper

[proper bear]

Haha. But yeah. Coke Zero >>> Diet Coke

[minor bay]

No clue how Nintendo is chargingsteam deck prices for their hardware when the deck grossly outpaces their

[proper bear]

Don't really understand how those kind of comparisons are made without any actual numbers, comparable software, etc. But sure

Steam Deck also about to skyrocket in price as well. So maybe people will stop complaining then

We can only hope

[odd scaffold]

I mean I hope they keep complaining, just complain at the right people

[lean lotus]

Really all the console war bullshit I've seen with the Steam Deck the Switch 2 is just so annoying.

Almost as if they're two totally different markets.

[rapid pollen]

I need both in my life lmao

[lean lotus]

I want a Switch 2, but currently it doesn't have enough titles/upcoming titles to become a "need" yet.

DK Bananza, and maybe Mario Kart ain't enough for me yet.

[wind belfry]

the potential upgrades for old Switch games are a reason I would have gotten it anyway, MK World is a nice first game on top, Bananza would be interesting but I ain't paying 80€ for that... gotta hope it drops at least 20bucks after release on Amazon.de, or else I will have to go with French boxes for Switch 2 games

[latent vortex]

more content for mario oddysey is gonna be great

[heady snow]

Wait are they making a dlc for odyssey?

[latent vortex]

https://www.nintendo.com/us/gaming-systems/switch-2/transfer-guide/games-with-free-updates/

since odyssey already performed great, i expect new content

maybe just new moons to collect

[round sparrow]

nah, I'm expecting a resolution bump

[latent vortex]

theres no reason to update textures tbh

[round sparrow]

maaaybe a 120fps mode

[latent vortex]

it already plays in 1080

[round sparrow]

but not much more

[round sparrow]

it uses dynamic resolution scaling

it could dip to as low as 720p

[wind belfry]

4k60 or 1080p120 modes probably

[round sparrow]

there's also animation culling that goes on with distant objects

where things will animate at a lower framerate when they're far away

[wind belfry]

I don't think they will dig too deep on the improvements with games who get a free upgrade

[round sparrow]

these are likely easily accessible settings

[wind belfry]

sure, but it's Nintendo

man, with Switch 2 on the horizon it seems to be a wise choice to pick up whatever Switch games I still wanted to grab, Amazon suddenly being out of stock on so many games is more than unusual

[round sparrow]

I'm sure a fair few second hand games are going for cheap

[wind belfry]

yeah I'm not really into second hand stuff if I can still grab a sealed copy

[lean lotus]

I'm also gonna guess a lot of them are "run at 1080p in handheld mode"

[round sparrow]

I'd be excited to do a second playthrough of odyssey if they have any meaningful enhancements

I played the hell out of that game when I first got my switch but I haven't picked it back up since

[open osprey]

For me, Odyssey and BotW alone is why im getting kt

[wind belfry]

I'm just hoping for Xenoblade upgrades

[proper bear]

Dude. Right?

I dunno. I upgrade my GPU for massively more money to play old games better 😆

[wind belfry]

what else would you upgrade your GPU for, new games mostly suck

[rapid dawn]

I'm still not clear on something, if you own Switch 1 BOTW, are you not able to play the game at all on the Switch 2 until you get the upgrade?

[odd scaffold]

Nah I'm pretty sure you can just play it through the regular backwards compatibility

[wind belfry]

nah, will just play like the regular Switch version

[odd scaffold]

It'll just be locked at 720p 30fps

[round sparrow]

I think BOTW was 900p on the switch

[wind belfry]

tho the upgrades for BOTW/TOTK are included in NSO

[rapid pollen]

damn being locked to 720p on a 1080p display would be cold as ice

[wind belfry]

Nintendo wants their 10bucks

fork it over

[rapid pollen]

I mean the Switch 2 Edition is clearly enhanced more than just resolution

[odd scaffold]

Framerate too at least. It looked nice from what I saw on the stream

[manic lantern]

Why is Arceus missing from that list? Isn't in dire need of this?

[round sparrow]

Might just be what they'll have ready at launch

but also gen 9 pokemon is in a waaaay worse condition imo

[odd scaffold]

They'd better keep adding games

I neeeeed to see Brothership on the list and all the Xenoblade games could benefit from a framerate and resolution bump

[wind belfry]

well, let's hope there will generally be put some manpower behind this, just like there was put behind the upgrades on Xbox games

[open osprey]

They're probably gonna update the list as they go, but rn they focusing on their major heavy hitters

[round sparrow]

I've yet to play xenoblade 3 even though I own it, I'd be thrilled to play it if it got an update for next gen

[novel stratus]

3 is my favorite game ever

[novel stratus]

yeahhhh would love it

[odd scaffold]

3 seemed really neat from what I played. I stopped because I just knew I would never stick with a game that dang long lmao but I'd love to give 2 and 3 another serious shot and X a shot at all

[novel stratus]

i dont like 2 much 💔

the voice direction is so bad

[round sparrow]

I liked the gameplay of 2, I liked the world, I liked the music a lot

I haaaaated the characters and story lmao

it just became too anime tropey for my liking, huge contrast from xenoblade 1

[minor bay]

Gaming handhelds? Is “I’ll pay the same for less because I really want a few Nintendo games” a market?

All in saying is relative value matters more the higher prices go. If one of my kids is asking me to pay $500 for a handheld console it needs bells and whistles and a huge library, not a webcam that looks like a plant.

[round sparrow]

the console itself is honestly priced pretty fairly, it competes in specs with something like a steam deck

but I agree, $450 for a handheld console for a child is a tall ask and I'd likely just wait for the inevitable lite variant if that ever comes out

[tame roost]

i think the handheld pc market is a very different market from the switch market

[compact sable]

It’s gonna hold back sales for sure

[minor bay]

I’m not sure it is moving forward. At least not with a narrower or nonexistent price gap. This isn’t a niche hobby anymore and a lot of parents game too.

[tame roost]

idk pc and console gamers are still pretty different markets

[leaden kiln]

Yh but no

[tame roost]

there are still people who dont have big steam libraries and dont like having to tweak settings to get games to run well on their specific hardware

[minor bay]

That’s exactly what I’m trying to get at. I come off like a hater but I’ve been a Nintendo kid my whole life. I guess in a way I’m aging out of their niche and that’s on me.

[leaden kiln]

And most of the games are drm with their stupid launchers

Like Ea ubisoft

Rockstars

[tame roost]

yeah i think that is why they are marketing this one more at adults or at least families. like its a more "mature" design and the flagship third party exclusive at the reveal event was a fromsoft game

[round sparrow]

I wouldn't say most, just the annoying big publishers

[novel crystal]

actually ubisoft came back to steam

because everone comes back to steam eventually

[round sparrow]

ubisoft still requires a third party launcher on top of their games, it's annoying

[tame roost]

they know this is pricy for a kids device so the messaging hasnt really been about that at all. they moved in that direction with switch 1 for sure but this is a further move

[leaden kiln]

And I know it's not valve fault especially on steam deck but offline mode is not great sometimes

[leaden kiln]

Kids can manage let adults enjoy this big one

[tame roost]

yeah my ally is great but it's more of a play-on-the-couch device than anything

[tame roost]

yeah i mean i think that's why they have a bunch more switch 1 games still coming and some level of interaction between switch 1 and 2 (like sharing digital games in a family plan), the idea is you get kids switch lites and have a switch 2 at home

[leaden kiln]

Yepp

Which it's good idea

[jade tapir]

Telling half your potential market to not buy your product is an interesting marketing strategy.

[tame roost]

yeah i mean we'll see how that actually plays out lol cuz nintendo have claimed theyd keep supporting last gen hardware before

[leaden kiln]

I mean people still complaining about the price being high

And the situation that they are right now with tariffs

[minor bay]

Which shifts it even closer to the steam deck market, where their hardware (not talking processor etc) is just way behind what valve is offering.

I was thinking about how absurd it would be for say, Samsung to offer an lcd galaxy then wait two years to drop an oled one. Hoping to get people to double dip on a $700 device. I realize valve did this to a degree, but that was more of an infrastructure thing.

Anyway, I will get a switch 2 at some point. It just seems like their target audience, price, and hardware are in three different universes.

[round sparrow]

For me, I'm getting the switch 2 because I want an upgraded nintendo switch

[tame roost]

what do you mean hardware is way behind if you aren't talking about processor???? i mean the screen isnt oled but it's vrr and hdr

[round sparrow]

it doesn't go deeper than that for me

also I wouldn't say their hardware is way behind valve's at all

outside of OLED, it's got a higher res screen at a higher refresh rate

[tame roost]

and higher res

yeah lol

you could argue maybe they cheaped out on storage or battery i guess

[heady snow]

I can maybe see the switch 2 being weaker in handheld, but it's definitely going to be more powerful than the steam deck when docked

[tame roost]

it might be weaker in handheld but games are gonna be better optimized for it usually so i imagine thats gonna make up the difference most of the time (sometimes more than make up for it)

[leaden kiln]

I thought it would be par to par in handheld mode

[round sparrow]

I think it'll be a little difficult to gauge because it'll have a higher res screen which will naturally be more taxing

[heady snow]

Should be fairly close I think

[pale ivy]

Nintendo wouldn't release games that don't run well on their console

[leaden kiln]

Yhh

[leaden kiln]

Not anymore

[minor bay]

Sticks, touchpads, analog triggers, battery, etc

[tame roost]

i mean yeah im mad about analog triggers tbh i think thats dumb to miss them twice. touchpads would make no sense on joycons tho?

[leaden kiln]

Battery not really

19.3whr with arm device is crazy and can put 2 to 6 hours

[tame roost]

and joycon mouse mode seems like a great feature that accomplishes the same goal as the touchpads really

[novel stratus]

analog triggers dont do anything….

[tame roost]

racing games... and mostly just racing games tbh

but it was a big problem for non-arcade racers on switch 1 and probably will still be

some of them used right stick for acceleration instead and that wasnt great but it worked i guess

[heady snow]

Echoes of wisdom wasn't great

[round sparrow]

that's a grezzo problem tbh

[heady snow]

Still published by Nintendo though

[stark flicker]

if thats the metric they published pokemon lol

clearly nintendo publishing has no standards

[heady snow]

Well yeah, hence the idea that Nintendo has in fact released games that don't run that well on their consoles

[tame roost]

Yeah I mean they released totk lol

Donkey Kong looks a little rough but all the other new first party switch 2 games seemed to run well and they still have time to optimize

[round sparrow]

considering what that game is doing, I'm actually impressed it runs as well as it does

[heady snow]

Fair, it's mostly a testament to how the switch definitely needed a boost, because the more recent games haven't been running as well

[tame roost]

Fair point and that point could probably stand for donkey Kong on switch 2 but yeah

[novel stratus]

theres literally a mirrored version of hyrule underneath the map + you can just dive through the floor anywhere so.

it gets a pass

[wind belfry]

that stupid auto-battler with the half-assed story and the jarring home stretch?

[novel stratus]

❓

[wind belfry]

Xenoblade 3 is by far the worst entry in the series

[novel stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

sure alright man

[wind belfry]

not saying it didn't had it's moments, but for the most part I didn't like it

[novel stratus]

also complaining about xenoblade being an autobattler is crazy thats most of the combat

[wind belfry]

the other games at least required player inputs

Xenoblade 2 had the best battle system, you could be severely underleveled and still pull shit off with skill

Xenoblade 3 just runs on rails and you can leave it sit there and do nothing

[novel stratus]

have you considered character switching is fun as hell

(i miss it so bad in X)

[wind belfry]

why bother

it plays itself

[novel stratus]

because its fun

[wind belfry]

it's absolutely pointless to do tho

like sure, pressing buttons like a toddler while the game moves on it's own is fun to you, go ahead

[novel stratus]

did you watch future redeemed at least

[wind belfry]

I haven't touched that game after I played it anymore, so no

honestly, a potential Xenoblade 4 will be meet by me less with excitement and more with skepticism due to 3

and don't take that as the game being outright horrid, it just didn't hold up to the rest of the franchise

[novel stratus]

👍

[stark flicker]

xc3 battle system was worse than xc2. but way better than 1 and x just because it doesn't use the shitty arts list you have to scroll though

[torn wraith]

China Tariffs exception on computer and phones. no video games on the exception list

[round sparrow]

I wonder if video game consoles would count as "computers"

because I bet iPads and such will be classified as computers to avoid tariffs

[stark flicker]

not clear. the chinese handhelds will be classed as computers, just like iphones and android as they run a general purpose os. playststions and switches run a specialized os so it's not certain.

[round sparrow]

take this with a pinch of salt since it's an AI overview, but I googled HS 8471 on the expemtion list, and this is what I got

"Heading 8471 of the Harmonized System (HS) classification covers automatic data-processing machines and units thereof, as well as magnetic or optical readers, and machines for transcribing and processing coded data. This includes computers, laptops, desktops, tablets, and various related components."

That's broad enough that it COULD apply here

nintendo might try to classify it as a tablet, since that's basically what it is

and then related is 8473.30

"The Harmonized System (HS) code 8473.30 covers parts and accessories of automatic data processing machines, including magnetic or optical readers, transcribing machines, etc.. Specifically, it includes parts and accessories of machines described in heading 8471, but excludes covers, carrying cases, and similar items. "

So this would cover the included controllers from what I understand

[tawny halo]

Sounds like this will include Nintendo

[round sparrow]

maybe, I'm doing some more digging into HS classifications rn

because video game consoles actually have a specific HS classification (9504.50), and that's not on the exemption list

[undone fox]

well its exempt for now, watch it change again

[round sparrow]

I unfortunately don't think these exemptions would apply to the switch 2

[tawny halo]

Ah that sucks 😞

Wait till tomorrow. Seems to be ever changing 😅

[round sparrow]

yeah who knows with this guy, he seems to wake up every morning, put on a blindfold and throws a dart at a board

[torn wraith]

They go off of the code and government defines it. So, I don’t think you can do that for switch. IPad is already classified as a computer so no need to do anything

[uncut swallow]

🤔

[leaden kiln]

I remember when people said steam deck is too big

Now switch 2 is the same size

[open osprey]

Barely

[uncut swallow]

tbh its closer than i expected 😄

[open osprey]

Yeah no it's a big boi, but compared to the deck, it's still thinner and smaller by a solid amount

[uncut swallow]

i guess it suddenly wont be "too big"

[round sparrow]

it's about 130g lighter than the steam deck

[uncut swallow]

well yeah ... deck has ergo bumps

and needs space for touchpads

• bigger cooling tech as its x86

.
kindacurious how will the new joycons feel in my hands

the original made my hands miserable after like few minutes of play

[round sparrow]

I didn't mind the ergonomics of the original switch tbh, I used to play smash online in bed quite a lot

and it never bothered me

[minor bay]

Thank Christ. I was about to panic replace my aging phone

[round sparrow]

[uncut swallow]

my biggest issue was switch lite ... that was actively hurtfull to play on with my hands

[round sparrow]

I've never played on a switch lite myself, but I could see that

[uncut swallow]

but i kinda was just few months after my palm surgery ... so that might have been kinda bossting the issue

[hushed igloo]

Apparently this is only applicable if you put yourself on Nintendo’s shop pre-order list and not at retailers

[hushed igloo]

I assume that you didn’t have any type of case or grip on it?

[uncut swallow]

only thin TPU one iirc

but cant remember exaply

[hushed igloo]

I put Hori’s clear one on mine and it’s thick with a bit of a lip so it’s almost like a grip

[uncut swallow]

bbig switch is generally similarly painfull for me ... but there i can stand like 30+ minutes (i guess lite is too small for my hands) ... but definitely prefer soemthing liek split pads to play on

[hushed igloo]

Idek how Hori is going to even attempt magnetic split pads ahaha

Because despite being larger I highly doubt the joycon 2 are comfortable to use

[compact sable]

Switch Lite > Switch ergonomics

[minor bay]

I actively disliked playing switch until I got the split pad compact

Worst dpad ever

[high barn]

No, you can still play it.

[high barn]

Well it’s got a pretty damn big library via backwards compatibility, and it’s gonna be playing them way better than the Switch 1 can.

Like, even without the upgrade BOTW will still outright run better on the Switch 2 because it will actually be running at a locked 30 fps instead of running at 20-25 most of the time.

Wait…Oh god damnit.

Ok, I’m just gonna skip to the bottom and read in reverse (from new to old).

[high barn]

No, it’s a lot thinner and arguably a good bit lighter.

[uncut swallow]

tbh i wouldnt call 130g "a good bit lighter"

i expected way lighter than that

[leaden kiln]

It's light for people who don't want a big boi device

[zealous saffron]

god the switch 2 being that big and still having zero offset for the dpad/right stick is a war crime

[cloud current]

Mobapad when

[high barn]

There’s gotta be at least 1 really adamant guy in the design team that actively uses only single Left or Right Joycon controls and refuses to “let them ruin it”.

And even then it’s still stupid since they technically already did with them also being taller.

[compact sable]

IMO it’s a huge draw for families and groups. If we are playing with family or friends, 100% of the time most are playing with a single joycon

Stuff like Mario kart and party are just built to adapt that way

[proper bear]

Saw this floating around

Not sure if true

Time to label switch 2 as a smartphone

[compact sable]

If converse are slippers then there certainly is a way around it lol

[minor bay]

I know it wasn’t you, but others have used the argument of “not everyone has a steam library”. To kind of combine points here, if we exclude one, we exclude the other. I actually didn’t have a steam library when I got the deck. I now have more games on that platform than I managed to accrue on switch in 8 years lol. And it cost about 1/4 of the money.

[minor bay]

Haha, yes, the felt on the bottom

[high barn]

Yeah, and unlike with Steam Deck owners, most people will already have a Switch that they play as effectively their only console since they’re not interested in most other games, so the Switch 2 will be essentially like buying a PS5 to act as an upgrade for the base-PS4.

That or they’ll at most have a PS5 or (much more likely) an Xbox Series S for games not on Switch because they “already have a Switch as a handheld” and didn’t want to spend the upwards cost of around $1000+ for a good pc at that time.

[minor bay]

Almost literally me. Got a Series S to replace my broken Xbone. Got a PS5 to replace my failing PS4. Had a switch since launch.

Never got much into PC gaming, though more because I have autism and I get really caught up tinkering. Steam OS works well enough that I can just play and not go down the tinker vortex too much.

I will definitely get a switch 2 because my OG is old and my Lite literally broke within 4 months. But if I didn’t have a high end handheld there’s no way I’d take a switch 2 over a Steam Deck or Odin.

[high barn]

And of course, that’s also completely ignoring the fact that my original point for that was literally about most regular people in general since the Steam Deck has only like 4 million units sold versus the Switch selling 150 million.

[proper bear]

Yeah. I only PC game on default settings

Which might defeat the purpose

[high barn]

Ok, and just like that you’ve now already shown that you were ignoring my point since most people who are not in this hobby are literally not even going to know what an “Odin handheld” is, much less be interested in the Steam Deck over the Switch 2 since again they already are way likely more likely to have a Switch 1.

Like, I already have both, I know for a fact people like me are literally a fraction of a percentage compared to how many own just a Switch. That’s why I’m looking at it in the “replacing your switch 1” regard because people who only own Switch will directly have that as their main incentive if it’s not already just Switch 2 games.

[proper bear]

Yeah. I work in software dev and none of the people older or younger than me even knew there was an announcement

A lot have gaming PCs and consoles. But that's about it

[high barn]

Wait, announcement? Are you talking about the Switch 2 or was there something related to Steam?

Like, on one hand I’d be surprised to hear about people not even hearing about the Switch 2 in passing, but on the other hand I’d be even more surprised if Valve announced something big and software devs specifically didn’t know about that.

…Ok, I can’t find anything related to Valve, so I’m guessing it is the Switch 2 then?

[proper bear]

Nah. Switch 2. They'd know even less about a deck announcement

Id say across our team id maybe 40 there's like 5 or 6 switches. And I might be the only steam deck

[high barn]

Ok then yeah, I guess that makes sense if they’d know even less about something related to the Steam Deck…wait what? They don’t know about the Steam Deck?

[proper bear]

Of course we're probably disproportionately high in rigs

No. They know. I'm saying if valve announced something they'd probably be oblivious

Unless it was an ad when steam launched

[high barn]

Ah, ok yeah that’s understandable then.

[proper bear]

It is kind of weird being in a world without TV commercials

I guess YouTube reviewers kind of took that role

[torn wraith]

botw switch 2 edition is apparently $90? is this true?

[high barn]

Nope, it’s $70 for the base game with TOTK Switch 2 Edition being $80.

The $90 version of “Switch-2 BOTW” is just the “all in one” bundle with DLC included, so if you already got the dlc for switch one, then do not buy the all in one, you’ll literally just be buying the dlc twice.

[torn wraith]

damn, still. Usually director edition still only costs $60-$70. I guess nintendo is gonna nintendo

[heady snow]

Ooh I can't wait to see how that's misconstrued for easy clicks

[high barn]

Nintendo doesn’t do director’s editions, and this is more on par with the Cyberpunk Ultimate Bundle anyways (which is $80 total for both the $60 game and a price reduced version of the $30 Phantom Liberty DLC).

[heady snow]

I would say $90 is definitely a little more than i would want but then, I've also seen plenty of premium editions of modern AAA games go for around the same price if not more

[high barn]

Again, keep in mind that $90 is for the bundle with dlc included.

I’d already advise against buying the Switch 2 version if you already have the Switch 1 version since you could get the upgrade for only $10 and find the Switch 1 version second hand for cheap, buying the all in one bundle if you already got the dlc for S1 would literally just be buying the same $20 dlc twice on top of also buying BOTW twice.

[snow ledge]

it doesn't need to be misconstrued to recognize that's ridiculous pricing

[heady snow]

Yeah no I agree, $90 seems somewhat reasonable if it does have all of the dlc. I mean I paid about $100 for elden ring and shadow of the erdtree

[high barn]

No, but it can be misconstrued as even more of a “ripoff” if you’re assuming the only option available is the all-in-one bundle.

[high barn]

Because (at least most of the time) those dlc bundles in general do not have the dlc included in the cartridge, it’s a download code.

So you’d literally be getting the same exact thing (dlc from the EShop) twice, you can’t even use the dlc included (unless you want to make another account I guess?), and you outright should only be getting the standard copy if you’re even interested in getting the S2 version after already having played the S1 version.

[minor bay]

I’m not trying to ignore your point. I’m also not trying to say anything about switch 2 sales or success. Only speaking from my own perspective.

[heady snow]

So doesn't the $90 basically just tally up the msrp costs? $60 for base game + $20 for dlc + $10 for next gen upgrade. Obviously you could save a lot of money by buying used, but at least from their retail prices it makes sense to me, unless I'm missing something.

[minor bay]

This is basically my personal perspective. This thing will sell, I’m sure. But their pricing is whack for what you’re getting. Now, Johnny Normal is gonna get one for his kids and be totally unaware, and that’s whatever. That’s johnnys money, not mine.

[high barn]

Yup, that’s usually how Nintendo’s “game plus dlc” bundles work.

It’s usually third party that sells a “complete edition” at a reduced total cost.

[minor bay]

This matters to me on the level of multiple game companies saying ‘we hope Nintendo charges more so we can charge more’ and I think we can all agree that $100 GTAVI is a step in the wrong direction.

Personally, I think spec chasing is the wrong direction in general, but that’s a whole different discussion.

[heady snow]

I mean tbh then the backlash seems a bit forced, yeah it's a lot upfront but people most likely spent the same amount just in increments of buying the base game and then buying the upgrades and dlcs. If this was $90 base then I would understand the pushback more

[high barn]

Yup, as-is it’s literally just the same old with them and honestly with most companies (Nintendo just makes sure to have games that are good enough to actually retain their value for new copies). The literal only thing different is the base price for Switch 2 games making stuff like the bundle look even more expensive.

Although I’ll admit that like Osiris Rex I’m also worried about Rockstar seeing these prices, completely ignoring the logical context for them, and then deciding to sell Base Game GTA6 for $20-$30 more than even Mario Kart World (which currently is the literal only base game being sold at $80, and we don’t even know yet if they will or won’t have content expansions being free as said justification for the “base game” price, or if the content in the game itself is already enough to justify it) at a staggering $100-$110 would be “totally fine”.

[high barn]

And you all know for a fact Rockstar will have day-1 dlc on top of that price that all costs even more and is not included.

[novel crystal]

Wait what do you mean Nintendo just makes sure to have games that are good enough to actually retain their value for new copies? Do you not think there are other games equal to Nintendo games or even better sometimes?

[proper bear]

Chic fil a cost us $60 today. So 90 for days of entertainment sounds good to me

Or taking the fam to the movies. Or any one of fleeting forms of entertainment these days

[high barn]

I think that any game that isn’t good enough for me to buy day one at its release price was not imo a good game at launch to begin with.

Basically I’m pretty much the type of person that gets annoyed at companies like Ubisoft for even bothering to launch games at $60 full price “if they’re literally already planning to drop it to half off only a couple months later like literally all their games”, because the only way they can even do that and not be in an even worse financial situation than they already are is if their games outright were only ever valued around making a profit at that lowered value.

[novel crystal]

What about baldurs gate 3?

[high barn]

That’s a game I’d have bought for full price if I was interested in those particular types of rpg games, solely because I legit appreciate the fact that it’s a really good game and even with the fact I’m not a fan of Baldur’s games, I do legit think it’s worth that launch price.

[proper bear]

Plus Larian is an awesome studio

[novel crystal]

Exactly larian is a great studio ran by a great guy who calls out bad practices in the industry

[proper bear]

Kinda sad cyberpunk had such a rough start. Witchers were pretty good at launch

[high barn]

Nah, almost all the Witcher games also had rough starts at launch, albeit not to the same degree. The cycle with Cyberpunk was uniquely horrid because of how bad the crunch legit was during it’s development.

[proper bear]

Yeah. That was unfortunate

But like the graphical issues in witcher were more expected for the time. Some of the rendering in cyberpunk was just atrocious

Likely cause the scale was too big

[high barn]

It’s a problem in having too big of a scale for the dev time they had.

It’s the exact same thing that led to ScVi being as bad as they were, even in comparison to previous releases.

[high barn]

And unlike CD Projekt Red, the dev cycle for Pokemon games outright doesn’t allow for the devs to focus their time after release on fixing bugs in the current game since they’re almost immediately put to work on the next project, while Team B works on developing dlc with them fixing the bugs as a secondary task.

[novel crystal]

Also it just occurred to me do we think Nintendo games would retain as much value if Nintendo never killed off the old Nintendo eShop?

[leaden kiln]

https://youtu.be/4Exx79Ikf6c?si=sParoi_AYEv8WTDs

[twilit nimbus]

I actively avoid Windows, but even so I gave PC gaming a try once, so I have a couple games on my Steam library. I have a pretty big PS4/Playstation Store library.

In my case, I got a Switch Lite at a super good price because of this discord, borrowed Zelda BotW from a friend, and about a year later bought a Steam Deck. BotW was a great game, but it took a bit of a concentrated effort to focus on beating it. I bought ONE game for it so far, because typically Switch games seem to stay around full price with only modest sales. I downloaded a few demos… but nothing really sucked me in.

Meanwhile, I’ve only touched my Switch twice since picking up the Deck! There have been some indie titles that really sucked me in (Mechabellum for $15! Almost 400 hours played! Would be difficult to play on Switch controls). There have been some really steep discount sales and humble bundles that sucked me into buying more games than I can play. Also, there’s been over a dozen free games I’ve collected from the Epic store (posted in this server).

So, I actually think that Nintendo is a pretty innovative company, and their game developers are really good and deserve success.

But for people who do get a steam deck, games, just come to you.

[novel crystal]

Steam is great

So many deals

I have a few hundred games in my library

[high barn]

No, given the old pokemon games were literally never on eShop. But even then, it doesn’t matter whether or not the games are available digitally, since the whole reason old physical games retain their value despite “you know what” is because they’re seen as collectors items at the end of the day.

People care about old physical media because it’s physical and something they can actually claim is theirs, and the second you’re not able to just get new copies is the moment it truly becomes considered a “limited commodity” and starts raising in prices.

[high barn]

I think that’s also partially where exactly my more personal take in this kind of stuff diverts from even the more casual perspective (since I’ll definitely acknowledge that a lot of people nowadays are a bit less focused in regard to their entertainment, even if it’s not to the “mindlessly consuming content” people exaggerate it as), because I inherently enjoy games more when they suck me in and legit demand my effort to play, I just can’t jive with a game if I only got it for the discount.

[novel crystal]

I just like games I like and getting games I like for cheaper is nice especially if it's a older game 😅

And the more expensive the more selective I need to be

[high barn]

I agree, but the reason why I used Ubisoft in particular as my example is that I already don’t like buying games on release and usually wait a couple months, and while I’m willing to accept discounts for like 25% or more if it’s at a specific time of the year for that to make sense, I just feel really freaking burned if they’re legit just casually dropping the price to like half off for no discernible reason beyond “we weren’t selling well at the standard price, so screw it”.

When companies are doing that, especially as often and “soon after release” as Ubisoft does it, it literally just makes me think they’re directly overvaluing their games to sucker in “anyone stupid enough to buy it at this price”.

[novel crystal]

I mean AAA studios often overvalue their games including Nintendo

Nintendo just created a walled garden like apple did so they can control their market

Ubisoft has no market control so has to discount stuff

Not that I like modern Ubisoft gameplay much myself

There is no way breath of the wild would sell well long term at full price on a non Nintendo owned market, and I like breath of the wild myself

[twilit nimbus]

I mean, I grew up only being able to buy 1-3 games a year. I think my Genesis collection was only about a dozen games?

But if I love a game, I play it a lot.

[novel crystal]

I am just calling things as they are

[twilit nimbus]

I feel like I SHOULD own more Switch games. Just they haven’t been must-plays yet.

There probably are games I’d love that I just haven’t heard of.

Anyone else miss magazines? Like, a regular monthly delivery, physical paper, advertising you’re interested in rather than junk mail or e-spam?

[novel crystal]

I can't say I miss magazines myself

They were rarely that great

[twilit nimbus]

Aw

I have boxes full of old Dreamcast and GameInformer mags 😁

[high barn]

Agreed on that, but main thing with me is that all my game systems besides the DS and Wii were hand-me-downs, so I ended up getting insanely an large amount of options alongside each system, so I ended up having that mindset as my actual desired preference in games before I ever started getting my own stuff, so I basically already had that mindset before I ever was forced to do so out of “not having enough money to get more than a couple games” necessity.

[twilit nimbus]

I’m trying to get hyped for Marathon, which was just announced today, but a 17 hour stream isn’t the same to me as a 4-page spread.

I feel so oooooold 🤣

[twilit nimbus]

Understandable: my taste in music was formed the same way

(And my dad just gave me all these records last weekend!)

[high barn]

At the very least, it did make the years where I was mostly getting games on my own limited money more bearable since I already was used to being picky with games before I had to be.

[novel crystal]

I remember when game options were a lot more limited but these days you have a lot of options

[twilit nimbus]

Yeah, I have some choice paralysis

[novel crystal]

Recently I am trying to finally finish elden ring

Got distracted by other stuff

Like kingdom come deliverance 2, such a good game

[twilit nimbus]

I bought Elden Ring when it went to an all-time low price recently…

But I still have a hard time tearing myself away from the multiplayer game I’m presently stuck on 😂

[open osprey]

Im not going to lie and say that Nintendo doesn't still have a place in my daily rotation of systems, but fuuuuuck

Ever since I got a mini PC and the Odin 2, I haven't touch my Switch in months

[flint turret]

The only question I have about the switch 2 is will the mig switch work on it?

[novel crystal]

Probably not

[silk hatch]

I agree. I couldn’t be bothered to finish it because of how boring it was. And that’s after putting 100+ hours into Xenoblade 2 and Torna, and two whole playthroughs of Xenoblade on 3DS and Switch. 2’s gameplay is really amazing

[prisma raptor]

Have we gotten any news on a pre order date for US?

[novel crystal]

I don't think so yet

[gilded basin]

May 8, 2025

[prisma raptor]

source?

[gilded basin]

Lookit up 🤽‍♂️

[inner shadow]

Where did you find it?

[night ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ_585wwLco&t=615s

[novel crystal]

What?

Isint it a bit early for a switch 2 pre order?

[gilded basin]

🙄https://mynintendonews.com/2025/04/11/us-nintendo-switch-2-pre-order-invitations-from-my-nintendo-rolling-out-8th-may/

[rapid pollen]

god nintendo sucks lmao

[undone fox]

Huh

[gilded basin]

You don't get it
You just don't understand

[rapid pollen]

I get postponing pre-orders in the US, and the whole vietnamese production line thing was smart of them, but this whole gimmick of letting people with NSO subscriptions preorder before anyone else is so lame 😂

[round sparrow]

it's an anti-scalping measure

I say let them cook in that regard lol

fuck scalpers

[rapid pollen]

fuck scalpers obviously but there's gotta be a better way to prevent scalpers from doing their thing than gatekeeping the console behind an NSO subscription lmao

[round sparrow]

This is only if you buy the console from nintendo directly, you can still buy the thing from retailers

[rapid pollen]

ahhh, gotcha

that's good at least

that kinda defeats the purpose of gatekeeping them at all

but again, anti-scalper measure, I get it

[round sparrow]

the idea is that the hardcore nintendo fans get first dibs on their store

[rapid pollen]

yeah

I had an NSO subscription for 2 years and just let it lapse and was planning on re-upping after getting the 2 so fuck me I guess 😂

[undone fox]

How dare they

[wind belfry]

but you are only a hardcore Nintendo fan if you agree to them letting collect your data

[proper bear]

As a hardcore Nintendo fan I'm glad they appreciate my service

And by that I mean the service of my children who I sent in my stead

[proper bear]

Not sure what they'd collect that I even care about. Of all the companies that do, they're probably the one I'm least worried about

[torn wraith]

https://x.com/DeItaone/status/1911407296942387486

We’re so close

*Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) on X

LUTNICK: ELECTRONICS PRODUCTS WILL BE PART OF UPCOMING SECTORAL TARIFFS -ABC INTERVIEW

X · Apr 13, 2025, 1:13 PM

[proper bear]

Translate this to me the simpleton

Thought computers were being exempt

[torn wraith]

Computers are and Switch isn’t a computer. It is a video game console and that is currently part of the tariff

If they do all electronics, then Switch 2 will be part of the exception

[proper bear]

Yeah. Again it just depends how they define "electronics" tho

What we need to do is find the type categories

Not sure if they're tiered or what

Kinda wild these tarrifs are slowly just shifting to hurting the less wealthy. But I guess that's not shocking either

[torn wraith]

They don’t have a ‘Electronics’ for tariffs code because electronics is a broad term. Video games consoles unequivocally falls under it. I understand they can define it funky, like only for items that sell for more than $800.

But for now, if we are to believe Lutnick we should have exceptions for Switch soon

[proper bear]

That's great news then

For this week at least 😆

So basically it'll just be stuff for small businesses and cheaper furniture. Heh

[proper bear]

Yup. Toys for kids. Sweet

Kinda wild that's only 27% too. That leaves a lot of other shit 😆

[torn wraith]

As you can see, these 5 groups only make up only 27% of the imports from China.

Visual Capitalist has a good page for all of it

[proper bear]

Yeah. I'll take a look. Doesn't shock me that him being so crypto bro and tech bro adjacent means tech is going to get big exceptions

Wonder if China is excepting anything

[zealous saffron]

A lot of imports from China are raw materials and components that the few remaining US manufacturers rely on - like last time he did this dumb trade war with China he spiked the price of stainless steel and killed the only remaining American Keg manufacturer.

Huge win for China there, and meant I actually had to buy the keg fleet for my brewery from China when our usual sourcing priority has historically been to source things from as close as possible for environmental reasons (though now that he’s threatened to annex Canada multiple times sourcing anything from America is 100% off the table)

[proper bear]

How can one man win so much for us

Hooray...

[prisma raptor]

the post was edited and this was added.

So there isnt a date

[zealous saffron]

I mean the most expensive single item my business has ever bought is our canning line, and it was manufactured in Texas… from Chinese parts. Tariffs on those parts means as a Canadian even if I wanted to buy something like that from the USA it will never be competitively priced.

[gilded basin]

Good catch 👍

[proper bear]

Yeah. For sure. A purely produced US can would be insanely priced. Probably only ever purchased by the white house for parties to reduce our deficit somehow with magic. Kinda wild what we've managed to get ourselves into

[zealous saffron]

Well this is a machine for filling and seaming cans - there are two American manufacturers of this kind of equipment and both would be bulk buying solenoid valves, fittings, electric motors, control modules, tubing, compressed gas regulators, etc and America simply does not make most of that stuff. You can get the actual cans made in America (I used to source those ones) but the aluminum for them comes from Canada so they’re about to get very expensive.

Unfortunately this will probably kill the few Canadian made cans too since the raw aluminum get shipped to the USA from Canada and gets tariffed, then the aluminum is made into flatstock and shipped back to Canada where it will get tariffed again, and then made into a can that will cost me double now what buying from China will instead of 5% more - the entire supply chain was built around goods crossing the USA/Can border multiple times where more efficient

And that company manufacturing cans in Canada is an American company so all kinds of winning happening when they force me to switch to Chinese cans.

So yeah from an American perspective I can see how a trade war with China looks like an “everybody loses” scenario but from my Canadian small business owner perspective someone is willing big and it’s China.

[gleaming knot]

If I know anything about Trump, it’s that he’s a businessman and a negotiator. He’s almost certainly after something else, whether thats other countries dropping their tarrifs and import restrictions or its something else idk.
I trust him with this, but it’ll be quite a bumpy ride to get there.

[wind belfry]

If that's true say goodbye to the piranha plant...

[heady snow]

You guys are buying it for the camera?

[wind belfry]

not really, but 480p, come on man

[rapid dawn]

Trump is a scammer that inherited his wealth and actually had less money than what he inherited before he became president and used that power to get more.

He was so irrelevant as a business man that in order to gain notoriety he had to play a Rich Guy on TV.

[wind belfry]

okay it's really 480p

I gotta cancel my cute lil plant and grab it if the price drops to less than 20 bucks 😅

[round sparrow]

I'd like to gut the plant and put a proper camera in

[wind belfry]

the question is, will that be possible?

I mean realistically speaking there is no need for me to even buy a cam, but god damn it, the plant was a cute idea and Hori fucks it up like that

https://media.nintendo.com/switch-2/pdf-compatibility_issues_EN.pdf

hmmmm, I'm a lil concerned about "FINAL FANTASY" and hope that only refers to the very first game from the Pixel Remaster? 😂

[zealous saffron]

the worst part is hori making a garbage novelty plant cam probably makes it less viable for someone else to make one at a real resolution

personally I want this though

that could potentially just be a 3d printed attachment for the official camera

[wind belfry]

that would be fun too

but I honestly hate the design of the official cam

it's just... horrid

freaking stand with a cam on top

like what the fucking fuck

[proper bear]

Yeah. That's pretty nutty

[proper bear]

Yeah. Wildest thing is when people are like, he's a great business man 😆. Turns out all his bankruptcies were just 12D chess

[pale ivy]

https://youtu.be/fVjRBTy5irI?si=1kEcooOdyPfSVcOZ

My TV isn't big enough for me to want to use this feature

[rapid pollen]

you have a CRT?

[pale ivy]

It shrinks the game down to like 1/2 size

[novel crystal]

Apparently there are scalpers who have switch 2s

[glass turret]

May the Switch 2 sell badly so both Nintendo and scalpers suffer

No respect for a company that even charges users to play a demo

[rapid pollen]

Reggie would have never 😤

[pale ivy]

Nobody is forcing you to pay ten bucks for the welcome tour.
All the information you need will be included in the user manual for $4.99

[novel crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSICed8A7C0

this was good

[glass turret]

Mate it’s not about whether someone’s forcing you or not. It’s the principle behind it. Just absolutely scummy thing to do.

I don’t think it’s okay to charge people to get something that helps people comprehend how to use a device.

[stark flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/you-joke-dog-miss-lazy-gif-16172475

[proper bear]

If your basing it off eBay listings, it's just people who plan on eventually scalping them and will wait until they get some at launch to send

To be fair I'm sure most of the welcome tour will also just be in official videos on YouTube

[glass turret]

I don’t do too well in the early mornings

[untold flame]

I don't think they want cycle accuracy for dolphin

[untold flame]

Third pillar didn't work

[torn wraith]

No more exceptions for Smartphones, and other electronic it seems.

We might get a exception for Chips but we will see how it will pan out.

Tariffs are still in effect, so nobody other than Trump Inner circle have any ideas what’s going to happen next.

[open osprey]

What is thia fuckin clown show

[clever geyser]

I doubt the inner circle know

[torn wraith]

Also, since we got only 10% Tariffs for Vietnam. Nintendo could raise the price $50.

I was thinking that they will eat the cost but since it is already so cheap in Japan, and were probably hoping to spread that out worldwide so that won’t work now since they can’t lose money on their 1st and 2nd largest country.

I will be shocked if they didn’t raise the price just because I don’t believe tariffs were taken into account for pricing. If they don’t raise, I do think they lied and 10% tariffs were added as a buffer in pricing

[novel crystal]

I assume 450$ was based on either high margins or for modest tariffs with some left over margin

[sharp ridge]

According to Doug Bowser, tariffs were not factored in https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/04/nintendo-of-america-president-says-tariffs-not-factored-into-switch-2-price

[proper bear]

Yeah. Not sure if I believe that anyway. They 1000% considered it when coming up with pricing. Like you're not in business that long with international trade and just oblivious to their existence or impact. But it's better to just say the price is high to rock less boats. Plus if the tarrifs disappear you don't expect pressure to then lower prices

[clever geyser]

As ps5 gets a price increase

[torn wraith]

I don't believe them as well but I do think Nvidia chip they're using is not cheap. Everything is expensive and they are used to having a huge margin on those devices when the price of Switch 1 barely budged after ~8ish year.

I do think they added some buffer but I don't think 10% was factored in so after PS5 price increase across Europe, and Australia; I 'm even more confident in saying that price will probably go up

[leaden kiln]

Only generation that we seen console in five years going up

In prices

Btw digital was the cheaper

[tidal tree]

Thats cool i had too much money laying around anyway

[leaden kiln]

Let me deep it

[clever geyser]

I’m kinda glad as I’m planning on selling my ps5 anyway

[leaden kiln]

People was complaining switch 2 being expensive

Okay

All I'm going to say for now

[torn wraith]

It is funny though Tariffs US only thing for now and there has been a drop in USD since the tariffs but I guess price increase for other countries.

I don't know why they're doing it tbh

[leaden kiln]

To be honest sony been monopoly when it comes to Europe since ps4 era

So of course they would raise the price

If nintendo can Stay the price current price more people will switch over

[clever geyser]

Nintendo done it for the last 8 years

[torn wraith]

First round they got the price increase becasue USD was too strong.

Now the USD isn't that strong, why another increase. I'm baffled

[clever geyser]

And only increasing prices for select models in select places

[leaden kiln]

Same

[pale ivy]

Sony saw how much nintendo was going to charge for the switch 2 and figured they better raise their prices too

[leaden kiln]

You know what is so funny they even raised ps plus price up

[lean lotus]

I'm guessing that Sony is raising the price of the PS5 in non-USA regions to help subsidize not raising the price in the USA.

[leaden kiln]

They are doing that

[lean lotus]

Last I heard it was only PAL and Asian regions that are getting this newest price hike

[leaden kiln]

Yes

[lean lotus]

Ah, I just didn't realize what part of "that" you were saying they were doing.

"They are doing that" as in "they are raising the price in the US" Or as in agreement.

[torn wraith]

I don't know about this argument. I can see why people are clinging to this but I don't buy it yet.

I will wait for some clarity as to why it is happening.

[leaden kiln]

Since sony Don't want to make it worse in us they are raising the price in other countries since sony been monopoly in their country since ps4 era the issue is why they are doing that when tariffs doesn't really affect us

[torn wraith]

I think US is doing well economically so subsidizing their biggest market makes no sense. I think other countries aren't doing so well economically. I do see the monopoly argument, and it could be part of the reason but still them subidizing in US still doesn't make any sense

[leaden kiln]

And it's so funny that Now digital price Is the same price as switch 2 bundle

In uk

[lean lotus]

I mean, they don't exactly make PS5s in the US lol. And with the hilarious height of these China tariffs. And the constant flux of pause, unpause, higher, lower, penguins, the sheer instability itself impacts shit lol.

[torn wraith]

I agree that it does effect US and I do think US price increase is coming soon if Tariffs remain for a couple more weeks. I think price increase for EU, Australia is something else

Also, it is little complicated raising the price in US now. I don't think you want to be the first big company raising price as not to turn eye of Sauron towards you.

Apple hasn't done a price increase yet and bunch of other big corporation haven't yet. They will in the future, it's just the first domino has to fall so everyone can follow it. You just don't want to be the first

[leaden kiln]

Because of the tariffs we know this would happen

Good thing lucky ps5 after market is cheap

So I'm not too mad

[novel crystal]

Oren is cost optimized and on a old node so there is that

[clever geyser]

I just looked online and loads of retail sites have the digital at £339.99

[leaden kiln]

Yes that's why I can't be too mad after Market is cheaper

But the problem when they out of the stock new price would be there

[clever geyser]

Ahh ok

[leaden kiln]

Probably currys and amazon would be new price and after market would be cheaper

[clever geyser]

I’m not sure, seems it’s confusing at the moment as there’s an Astro bot bundle which is cheaper anyway than normal

[torn wraith]

was the price increase for UK as well. I thought it was only EU

[clever geyser]

The uk are apparently getting a price increase on the digital one

[torn wraith]

damn, I thought it was EU and AU

[clever geyser]

The current msrp is 389.99 going to 429.99

£

So like 7-8%?

[leaden kiln]

That's I'm saying it's so confusing

[torn wraith]

389 = $512
429 = $564

That's expensive

is that right?

[clever geyser]

Yeah try changing what USA has for switch 2 into pounds and back 🤣

[leaden kiln]

Yes

[torn wraith]

wait, $519 for switch 2 converted to USD. Why is UK so damn expensive

[leaden kiln]

It's simple our price have vat included otherwise it would be cheaper

[torn wraith]

Yeah, with USD you do pay taxes so $450 is like $480 almost

[leaden kiln]

Basically that they Don't do it separate it been like that since lockdown days after 2020

[high barn]

Yeah, I honestly wasn’t surprised by the price at all and honestly think it’s fair for what they’re selling.

The thing I had more of an issue with was the prices of the games, but even then if it’s just them making the variable Japan prices the standard for international, then I’m much more willing to accept it as long as they’re only pricing them more accurately (which would include no longer having the situation like a lot of the games that were effectively $30-$40 in Japan but sold as $60 here because of the fact that they didn’t make prices variable outside of Japan back then) and Nintendo of America is not just using it as an excuse to make all games $60-$80 (which is at least reassured by the fact that there were literally games being sold at effectively $80 in Japan that also ended up being only like $60 in US as the positive side effect to the same “US having a recommended standard price that isn’t variable”).

[clever geyser]

I’d talked myself out of it but then today I’ve be watching the skillup and various digital foundry clips about switch 2 and want one again

Zelda how it should be 😢

[high barn]

Yup, all those videos did was directly confirm exactly what I already knew about the Switch 2 just from stuff in the trailers that people for some reason just didn’t notice.

[clever geyser]

I almost don’t want to see it in action in person

[torn wraith]

As someone who doesn't have the nostalgia for Mario or any Nintendo products and am just going thru GBA games on my retro handhelds. I'm okay sitting on sidelines. I will see how Steam Deck 2 and other handhelds are before jumping in

[zealous saffron]

I don’t know why Americans think the $450 price includes tariffs when it’s roughly $450 everywhere else where there aren’t any

It’s obviously $450 plus any random extra taxes on video games your country applies, they aren’t gonna bake your national taxes into the international price

[rapid dawn]

It's fair to say that they went for 450 USD not in order to include tariffs. But most likely the threat of tariffs did affect the cost.

For starters, they moved a lot of the production to Vietnam. Such a move costs money.

[compact sable]

Maybe not “tariffs” but “global supply chain challenges” were absolutely worked into the price

[rapid dawn]

And it was known that Trump was going to do tariffs. So it's not insane to think that they added some slack to the retail price just in case the Tariffs were too bad.

[proper bear]

What's even funnier is they may have baked some of our taxes into European pricing

It's pretty common practice to use one countries pricing. To offset the cost of doing business in another. Or to spread it across all of them. What you want to do is end up with a retail price that seems the same in every country. To get the least blowback. Maybe you'll adjust your best selling countries prices to be slightly lower, etc. like all of this is taken into account at pricing. Including each countries taxes, number of expected purchases, etc.

Probably not worth significant effort for a company that produces 1000 products a month. But for one that does a major release only twice a decade, the price has to be feasible in the long run

[wind belfry]

So who of you all is going to pay me 50bucks back on my Switch then?

[proper bear]

Haha. I mean. That could be the case. We'll never know tho unless internal Nintendo pricing leaks or something.

[wind belfry]

Just send me 50 bucks

[wind belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/wheres-my-money-animal-crossing-nintendo-gif-13056019

[pine cove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tomorrow/s/8lUnxoPTZe

Gave me a good laugh

[novel stratus]

thats like a ps5 pro wowie

[wind belfry]

you sure? Sony raised the price of the PS5 again just the other day

https://www.theverge.com/news/647869/sony-ps5-price-rise-uk-europe-australia-new-zealand

every US buyer owes Europeans 50€ on their PS5

[lean lotus]

Nah, every new one. I got mine about four years ago.

[wind belfry]

I'm still glad I didn't grab a PS5 day-one, still no games on the damn thing after half a decade

[lean lotus]

I got mine to be a PS4 Pro Pro, so I'm happy with it.

[wind belfry]

fair enough

[novel stratus]

astrobot

thats 1

uh..

[wind belfry]

about 95% of the stuff I have on my PS4 isn't even pushing that thing, so ehhh, no real reason to even upgrade to the PS4 pro

[lean lotus]

For me Sekiro going from not consistent 30FPS on my PS4 Slim to locked 60FPS on the PS5 was like night and day lol.

The "problem" is that a lot of the games that would've been PS5 exclusive, Sony either made a PS4 version, or they ported it to PC which is something people have been begging Sony do for a while now, so whatever.

[novel stratus]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_5-only_games

this is like

the most depressing exclusive list ever

[lean lotus]

Eh, I don't really see the problem with making games that would've been exclusives, available on more platforms.

[novel stratus]

most of these are vr games

[undone fox]

Astro Bot prob the only one that matters to me on there

[wind belfry]

Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei won't stay on that list for long

[novel stratus]

and they arent even released

[lean lotus]

Astro Bot is pretty great.

Wouldn't get a PS5 just for it, but I already had one.

Since my PS5 is my "big boy games" machine, I'm much more inclined to get multi-platform games on it.

As opposed to the Switch 2, which since I have a Steam Deck, I don't really feel inclined to get a lot of the multi-platform games it's gonna get.

So with some further thought since the Direct, I don't really feel too bad about MicroSD Express being much more expensive than even U3 MicroSD cards.

Since almost everything I'd get would be physical Nintendo games anyway lol.

If I feel like I'm missing out on space due to updates/DLC I can always just get one later.

[tidal tree]

They should just remake a ps2

PS2 classic

[high barn]

Nah, this is Australian Dollars, the conversions are $109 AUD = $67 USD and $699 AUD = $441 USD.

In other words, I think this is the first time in forever that Australia wasn’t screwed over and actually got something cheaper.

[uncut swallow]

i mean ... managing to bancrupt a casino not just once , but tree times .... dosnt give me much hope in his "bussinesman" skills

[minor bay]

Yeah but a lot of hardcore Nintendo fans are buying physical carts and gonna get deprioritized for not spending on eshop. My oldest has two Switches, a few pro controllers, and like 50+ carts and afaik has only ever bought the BOTW expansion from the shop. Since the shop is their money-spending metric, he’s kinda bumped.

[verbal wing]

After being entrenched in this scene since Switch 1's launch, I kind of want to see MinUI on Switch 2. 😂

[prisma raptor]

US got a preorder date yet?

[compact sable]

Not officially

[wind belfry]

You guys ain't getting a Switch, Sony just yesterday raised the PS5 Slim digital by 50bucks for most of the world so they won't have to hit ya too hard, but Nintendo can't do that right now, so eat the $600 Switch (later)

[tidal tree]

Then our prices would increase too

PS5 is the worst playstation rn tbh

[wind belfry]

US PS5 prices will certainly also be adjusted this time around

[wind belfry]

Fully agree, but it's fun how they now demand 499€ for a 5y/o console without the disc drive

[tidal tree]

Yea it is

I wonder what next PS/xbox generation will look like

But there also isn’t much room to go any further in terms of technology we almost hit the end lmao

They need innovation again or some shit not just pure power or performance

[leaden kiln]

It's basically peaked

[wind belfry]

I mean, technically you can go much further, but the returns are not worth it and will increase prices

[tidal tree]

Yea its like 10% more performance for 25% price increases

[proper bear]

I mean are any of the preorders in Europe actually official?

Or is it all 3rd party? Cause I could see them sending out the "sorry it's €50 more" if they jumped the gun

[tidal tree]

We have official and 3rd party

[proper bear]

Ah. Yeah. Then you guys should be safe if official pre-orders are underway

Can't find the pre-orders on Nintendo of Europe site but I'm guessing they must be somewhere?

[north prawn]

my amazon france switch 2 preorder got cancelled....

[tidal tree]

Invite only

[proper bear]

Yeah. I assumed it was all 3rd party. In which case might be too early to celebrate a set price

[proper bear]

And they've actually gone out? Cause I signed up for Nintendo US but obviously those were put on hold. Would be good to know if EU people have actually paid

[tidal tree]

Yes ppl received email invites and got a chance to preorder them

[prisma raptor]

$600 is light work. That order is going in 😤

The more expensive it is the better the chances of securing one. Let em do what they dooo

[wind belfry]

probably because they let to many people order, amazon.de only let you order on invite

[novel stratus]

i have the same reaction to this as I did when someone said they wanted minui on the rp5

[verbal wing]

Mostly a joke. But I do love minimalist interface.

[compact sable]

I wouldn’t pay $600 regardless and I’d never pay a scalper, but I’d rather normal people pad nintendos pocket then a scalpers lol

[gleaming knot]

Actually it was more like 4, though his real estate ventures were always more successful

He hasn’t bankrupted himself

[proper bear]

Yeah. Because he "counts the first 3 bankruptcies as 1". Lol

His own words

Only reason he hasn't bankrupted himself is because US law basically allows you to bankrupt your business at the cost of your shareholders and not have it touch your own personal assets. If there weren't so many loopholes to avoid personal liability he'd be homeless by now. But the US does it's best to protect the upper crust

[prisma raptor]

If theres 1 thing I’m insanely against, its these scalpers. Screwing others for personal benefit. Like just go work a regular job

I 100% support the idea of messaging scalpers and asking to meet up somewhere and not show up to waste their time.

[proper bear]

Haha. Amen

[novel crystal]

Is that real?

[tidal tree]

Ofc it is

[novel crystal]

What a clown show

[rapid pollen]

yes because Trump is going to say fuck on X

[tidal tree]

10M likes is valid for this kinda post as well

[void cloak]

Everything on the internet is real

[clever geyser]

Trump big gamer

[rapid dawn]

"funny"

[tidal tree]

Hm?

[proper bear]

I mean. It wouldn't shock me anymore 😆

[compact sable]

Sheesh the Mario Kart World stream tomorrow is 15 minutes… why bother?

[novel crystal]

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FxBluesky · Apr 2, 2025, 4:54 PM

I always find this stuff silly

[tidal tree]

Should they just not show it or what

[proper bear]

Lol. Dude salty about something

[proper bear]

Not gonna lie. I'm buying 😆

[compact sable]

Why not just do a Switch 2 stream where we see more games. 15 minutes for a single game feels kind of attention grabby

[tidal tree]

They showed that in the last direct

Mario Kart is their big game that’s also gonna release on launch day and we haven’t seen a in depth trailer yet

[compact sable]

Yeah I guess for an individual event I expected a little more than 15 minutes

[tidal tree]

Mario wonder was also 15min iirc

We already got a big direct last month, dont have such high expectations lol

[compact sable]

Yeah I guess I was hoping for a lot of official gameplay samples in the various modes but oh well

[tidal tree]

The direct hasn’t even started😭

[proper bear]

Feel like we got plenty of time to see more stuff. Makes sense they'd spread it out over the next couple months

[odd scaffold]

They've done treehouses already for World, I'm sure there will be more of those after the direct

[novel latch]

clearly shows where his priorities are

[north prawn]

Wow the switch 2 can float in mid air?

[rapid pollen]

that's not a switch 2

[north prawn]

I know. Just called it a switch 2 cause it’s the switch 2 chat

[twilit nimbus]

Eh, the retail stores get a finite supply of Switch 2 in each shipment; they’re sure to sell out, but direct from Nintendo will at least an option with scalper countermeasures. I think you can get a free NSO trial, but it’s still enough work to discourage one user from bot spamming with 100’s or 1000’s of accounts

[twilit nimbus]

Right… Aperture Desk Job and especially Astro Bot were amazing; if Nintendo thinks they put too much gaming value into their tech demonstration, they should have targeted free from the start.

[compact sable]

Yeah, useless Direct for MKW

I really hope they didn’t add this whole free roam thing at the expense of the core experience

[proper bear]

It's something my kids will love tho

[compact sable]

I’m not sure mine will. They really enjoy the racing aspect of it and especially the battle stuff. Free roam hasn’t really appealed to them much. They do Forza Horizon for stints but never stick with it

[twilit nimbus]

Well, apparently people loved that sort of thing with Forza, and after 8 games I think it’s great they’re adding something more substantial. As long as it doesn’t get in the way of a quick match.

[compact sable]

I’m just glad that MK8D wont be going anywhere because it might be the best core gameplay but we will see next month

[compact sable]

That’s kind of my concern. No racing game to date has done both well. Forza smartly kept them separated because the open world concept needs a slightly more Arcady loose feel vs the more locked down Motorsport side.

Every other open world concept racing game in the last few decades has pretty much flopped because of it

[twilit nimbus]

Repetition and familiarity are comforting for kids, I could see that too. I can’t tell you how many times I watched Pound Puppies and the Popeye movie with Robin Williams as a kid 😄