Switch 2

[open osprey]

PC handhelds definitely skew more towards older people and people good with computer/computer OSes

[proper bear]

Maybe Xbox and PS will release a more targeted device

Tho they may be looking at Nintendo now and be going hmmm. Maybe one more year in dev isn't the worst

[open osprey]

Its not the device that is bad, but more the prices

They would have to price accordingly to actually overshadow the Switch 2

[proper bear]

They'd also just have to price high anyway. Tarrifs would have the same effect. Maybe even worse. Think they're primarily China, while Nintendo spreads to Vietnam as well

[leaden kiln]

Lucky

[proper bear]

Would really suck for Xbox. Considering the US is by far their biggest market

[open osprey]

Yeeep

[leaden kiln]

Xbox should take this golden opportunity

[torn wraith]

To sell it once it can be jailbroken or jail break it yourself

[spice badge]

It's pretty interesting to look at the yearly sales numbers. I know the switch is obviously more popular but man steam deck really holding its own

For something sold and advertised only through valve

And reviews

[leaden kiln]

I mean 4 million who doesn't market it at all it's amazing for them

But even then deck 2 would be expensive

[spice badge]

Yeah, I think the Xbox handheld will be a very big deal

[heady snow]

My trimui smart pro is already an Xbox so

[odd scaffold]

I'm definitely ready for a power bump from my Steam Deck, just not sure how much I'm willing to drop for that

[open osprey]

Tbh, im honestly thinking about just dropping the money for the Switch 2, buy the Legion Go 2, and evolve my Odin 2 to a 2 Portal

[spice badge]

Don't forget mine

[leaden kiln]

Me too I believe xbox handheld would be better device than playstation handheld

[proper bear]

I dunno. I honestly think even with an upgraded deck I'd stick with a streaming device for way cheaper

If I keep my rig

[spice badge]

APU is the future

[proper bear]

Like even in the last couple years,.with improved services and wifi it's gotten way better

[spice badge]

[proper bear]

Cause in the end handhelds are always gonna age faster than something with modularity you can upgrade

It's kinda the same argument made against gaming laptops

A streaming device with the backbone to support it will go way longer. Either with online services or streaming from a desktop

[eager vessel]

Damn Best Buy just emailed me about Canada preorders not happening on the 9th anymore

[heady snow]

Yeah it's so joever

[eager vessel]

Honestly my life is kinda wild rn so maybe not worrying about game preorders isn’t a bad thing but for everyone else that kinda sucks

Watch them do preorders while I’m in Japan 🥲🥲

[stark flicker]

maybe you'll avoid the north american war of 2025

[spice badge]

https://x.com/charlieINTEL/status/1909710635501343150

CharlieIntel (@charlieINTEL) on X

Nintendo President says if you can't afford a Switch 2, you can buy a Switch 1, instead.

"We recognize there are some people that may not be able to afford the Switch 2’s price point. That’s why we wanted to make the other Switch platforms available."

(via CBC)

X · Apr 8, 2025, 8:51 PM

[jade tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/stopbeingpoor-poor-broke-gif-21552270

[heady snow]

On the bright side, this means they will likely support the switch 1 for a little while

[spice badge]

That is actually encouraging

[heady snow]

Maybe not any of the heavy hitters, but probably still some of their exclusives

[spice badge]

I just bought an oled switch lol

[stark flicker]

Don Mattrick was born 15 years too early

[proper bear]

I mean. They have a point 😆

Consumerist America demands you make us able to buy it tho!

Feel like they were pretty good keeping old shit going in most cases

Wii went on for a while

2006-2014

If they hadn't launched an OLED, and we're still peddling the base switch id be more concerned

[open osprey]

Tbh... this is one of the few time I'l kinda give it to Nintendo

The switch still has legs and a huge library to punch through

The fact they're still supporting it is telling that they'll probably keep it online for a while until they see no point, which considering how the world is, will be for a good bit

Do I wish the prices of the 2 was low- YES

But at the same time

You'll probably get more bang for your buck with the baseline switch

For the time being

[sage kiln]

Hey, happy Nintendo family is the pre-order for tonight 12 midnight April 9? Please let me know.

[open osprey]

Not for the US or Canada. Everyone else tho, yes.

[sage kiln]

No way, bro are you serious? Not for the US?

[open osprey]

Nope

Due to the tariff situation

[sage kiln]

So we don’t even know when the pre-order starts as of yet 😔

[open osprey]

Nintendo has to reevaluate their pre-order strat

[sage kiln]

Damn

[open osprey]

https://youtu.be/-3t9xwsQuwo

[tame roost]

https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-games/youre-going-to-buy-it-anyway-arent-you-you-greedy-little-piggy/

[proper bear]

Hehe. I mean it's not wrong 😆

[compact sable]

I seem to remember Microsoft saying the same thing with the Xbox One… let’s see if this plays out a little better

[leaden kiln]

I mean xbox one was drm

[proper bear]

Yeah. Xb1 was a real overstep at the time.

[cloud current]

I disagree tbh

We ended up getting everything bad about the Xbox One DRM scheme built into the games themselves, and everything positive about their plan got thrown out with the bath water

[verbal wing]

If you were already planning to get it at $449-$499 pre-tarrif... at what price would you not buy it?

[cloud current]

We didn’t know it at the time, and Mattrick had his head way too far up his ass to tell us, but

We played ourselves with the backlash to the Xbox One DRM

[round sparrow]

The xbone was such a disaster at launch, I remember Microsoft kept stepping on rake after rake. Always online DRM, scant mention of games, non-resellable games, mandatory kinect, $100 more expensive than the PS4 while being a weaker console, the list goes on lol

[cloud current]

The underpowered hardware, Kinect, and TV stuff were just genuine blunders though.

The DRM gets lumped into that, though, and it shouldn’t be.

[round sparrow]

They did uturn on the always online DRM and physical games getting locked to your console

[cloud current]

They just saw what the publishers were demanding and built a system that did it with, literally any perks for the user.

[round sparrow]

The pr was awful for the console at the time, but man the damage was done by the time the thing launched

[cloud current]

Instead we got in-game always on DRM and lost the ability to do digital sharing ever again

Until Nintendo introduced something similar just now and, wouldn’t you know it, got yelled at again.

[round sparrow]

You're talking about the virtual gamecard system?

Or whatever it was called

[cloud current]

Yeah. Although I will say, the one game at a time restriction is stupid.

[round sparrow]

I never used it myself, but I hear people say Steam's system for game sharing should be the gold standard

[cloud current]

Probably, but Nintendo’s bread and butter is games every member of your family wants and needs in order to play together.

That was a much easier thing for Valve to force on PC devs when they don’t make any of the games that potentially hurts.

Still a very consumer friendly end product, which is awesome, but it hardly cut into their own bottom line to do it.

[round sparrow]

I noticed that the summer game fest happens the day after the S2 launch, I wonder if Nintendo held back any announcements in their direct

Or maybe I'm currently high on hopium

[open osprey]

I wouldn't be surprised

[heady snow]

Oh yeah we're definitely getting that mhwilds port

[open osprey]

Nintendo releasing it around what used to be E3 time

damn i kinda miss E3

[round sparrow]

I miss E3, but only because I miss the cringe video game execs making fools of themselves

[open osprey]

I missed the showmanship and the way devs used to 1 up each other at E3

Also just the crazy shows they put on

[round sparrow]

And I guess I miss hype gameplay trailers, but these days I usually forget most AAA game announcements unless there's something that truly stands out about the gameplay

Like I vaguely remember seeing a trailer for concord on one of Sony's directs, but I instantly forgot about it lmao

And it seems like everyone else did, too

[open osprey]

I mean

Concord was forgettable from the word go

[round sparrow]

It just looked like a guardians of the galaxy ripoff

Guardians of the galaxy at home

Nothing remarkable lol

[heady snow]

It got taken down within a week lol

[round sparrow]

Whenever I see a game like that, I always think it's a shame that the talent of the development team had to go to waste on such a project

There's an alternate universe where they made a different game instead, and it was actually interesting

[viscid thorn]

Concord is what happens when an entire game is designed by committee.

[round sparrow]

It's commissioned by executives who are way too careful and want to make the safest thing possible. As a result they made the most uninteresting thing possible lol

[proper bear]

I mean. Even with xbone failure and hate. We still would have gotten everything we got. So I don't think retroactively praising them makes a lot of sense

They were def the first to pitch mass scale DRM as something we should just be OK with

[viscid thorn]

When I say "average wages", I mean ordinary people with real jobs. If you have one person with a million dollars, and 1 person with a dollar, the "average wage" is $500k, and that's a little trick that's been used for decades to disguise how bad things are. 1% of the population makes it look like everyone's making more while fed minimum wage has been $7 for 30 yrs.

[spice badge]

median wages was discussed shortly after. also I hope you are not making the same amount as you were 8 years ago lmao

[viscid thorn]

A lot of people are, why is that a laughing matter to you?

[spice badge]

No, a lot of people literally aren't

[viscid thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[spice badge]

Lol data is all right there

sorry but you're wrong

not saying times aren't tough but the idea that we make the same amount as 8 years ago and using the federal min wage as a baseline is obvious you don't understand

[leaden kiln]

I mean end of the day America got bigger problem than switch 2 in fact all the world has a problem

Price is up

[viscid thorn]

I understand a lot better than you think.

[leaden kiln]

Rent is up

Everything is up

[spice badge]

don't think so but carry on

[viscid thorn]

If anything given how inflation has radically outpaced pay, people are making a lot less than 8 yrs ago.

[spice badge]

so we do not make the same amount, got it

[viscid thorn]

So you admit we make less, got it. 🙂

[leaden kiln]

Not really it's more 50/50 but more time job market is worse than before

[spice badge]

[viscid thorn]

Are you 13 by any chance?

[leaden kiln]

This is not nintendo fault again ps5 launch price was 449

[spice badge]

people forget easily lol

[leaden kiln]

And digital model was 399

Same thing with xbox

[viscid thorn]

I was using "inflation" as a shorthand for the price of everything, but it's pretty obvious it's being driven by corporate greed. It's not just game companies, but they in many ways are the canary in the coal mind because of how poorly regulated they are.

[leaden kiln]

In the end of the day people was surprised that nintendo wouldn't raise the price because people thought they always been a budget option

Hell even do 120hz hdr and 4k support

[viscid thorn]

It's not just that, game companies haven't even fully normalized the $70 entry fee, much as they would like to, and now Nintendo is raising that bar even higher in what, less than a decade?

[leaden kiln]

The problem is nintendo did it in 90s

[viscid thorn]

(More like 5 yrs.)

[leaden kiln]

Surprised I'm surprised how now we got $80 now

[viscid thorn]

The SNES had some expensive games because some of the carts had their own little GPUs built in. That's not a technical issue anymore.

[round sparrow]

Game carts in general were expensive to produce back then

It's famously why the PS1 was such a popular console with developers, because publishing was so much cheaper

[viscid thorn]

Cost of manufacture and distribution was a major part of the price, but now we're getting charged the same for a digital copy? I saw the problem with this back in the 2000s when companies tried to charge $20 for a digital album despite no CDs being pressed, covers printed, cases produced... etc.

[round sparrow]

I'm not defending the price by any means, I don't think I'd be getting mario kart if it wasn't offered in a bundle

At least not at full price

[viscid thorn]

God help us if they close the loophole that lets digital copies avoid the tariffs.

[leaden kiln]

In the end of the day console is jusfiled but I'm praying for you guys that nintendo doesn't raise the price properly not I doubt it

But who knows

[viscid thorn]

I haven't been paying attention to specs. Is it Steamdeck comparable?

[heady snow]

See I'm not even sure how that would be classified as a loophole though, because it's not even being shipped

[round sparrow]

Pretty close

[leaden kiln]

It's better than steam deck in docked mode but it's par on par in handheld mode

[round sparrow]

I think it edges it out in a lot of areas

[viscid thorn]

It's going to live or die on the first-party and exclusive games then (like most of their stuff).

[round sparrow]

I only buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games anyway

[leaden kiln]

I mean first party games Is always massive advantage for nintendo

It just third party games was lacking a bit since gamecube

[pine cove]

I buy Nintendo games cause it helps escape the crippling fear of realizing our own existence will come to an end one day

And they're pretty fun

[leaden kiln]

They really fun sometimes people forget nintendo games is a joy to play

[proper bear]

Well now that they raised the de minimis tax switch 2 is sounding like a better proposition

[viscid thorn]

Wouldn't be trying to restore my dSi LL if they weren't. >.>

[leaden kiln]

Wii / ds was unique as hell

[viscid thorn]

Wii will be my next mod project.

[leaden kiln]

I might get one aside ps3

[round sparrow]

Wiis are pretty cheap and easy to mod

[sudden agate]

Yeah I played a few old rpgs starting with several Final fantasy games. Some themes were a bit too scarily relatable and it felt very taxing on my mind. Then I played Paper Mario and it made my whole month a lot happier.

[open osprey]

Also are some of the best retro machines to have

Have the whole Nintendo library up to that point and then some

[tame roost]

i mean n64 performance on wii gets overstated lol some big games dont run fullspeed

but yeah

[hushed igloo]

Yeah…I didn’t mod my Wii,was too busy with all the Wii games

[tame roost]

i hacked mine mostly to use for wii and gc... n64 some games ran great but it wasnt as consistent as i'd like

[hushed igloo]

I guess because I still have my N64 and GC I didn’t feel the need

[stark flicker]

a lot of people will be accidentally buying sandisk extreme instead of sandisk express cards

[stray pelican]

Is that Don Mattrick???

[viscid thorn]

Pretty good take on the whole Switch 2 reveal.
"Don't ever do piracy... but also here's why a lot of people (that definitely aren't me) do it!"
https://youtu.be/9fk5TCGLGts?feature=shared

[wind belfry]

Pirating japanese video games is a sin

[odd scaffold]

Oh my god, that's disgusting! Switch 2 roms online? Where? Where did he post them???

[twilit nimbus]

I’m a manager now, so I’m making $2/hr more than I was… 12 years ago.

[lean lotus]

The only reason why my job makes me $22/hr is because no one was applying, and the few that did apply didn't stay, during Covid.

Granted, $22/hr isn't bad for Walmart stocker. But I also haven't gotten more than a 2% raise since 2021.

[twilit nimbus]

From what I’ve seen, it’s able to keep up with the Steam Deck while drawing low W (check out Retro Game Corps video making an educated guess based on the battery and things), but on a higher res screen, and I think it also has NVIDIA’s AI performance tricks (DLSS vs FSR, etc).

[uncut swallow]

https://x.com/InsiderGamingIG/status/1909942110649798839

Insider Gaming (@InsiderGamingIG) on X

New Nintendo GameCube Controller Not Compatible With Switch 2 Games, Just GameCube Classics

https://t.co/AsWg5MYn4V

X · Apr 9, 2025, 12:10 PM

[twilit nimbus]

Is that a physically demanding job or something? I have been trying to argue with my bosses that $17.50 is not enough for being a lab manager: fabricating prescription lenses and assembling glasses, training new employees, maintaining and repairing the equipment myself. It’s a job of pushing yourself to stand and multitask faster all day with a moving goal post.

[lean lotus]

I'd say it's decently demanding physically, for me anyway. I'm pretty frequently carrying around fifty pounds of product, or dragging around pallets with hundreds of pounds of freight on them.

Can be more, can be less, depends on the department.

[iron apex]

[tawny halo]

WHAT?!? Are they serious!

Ok. My need for this has gone out the window. Will just get 8bitdo kit

[leaden kiln]

Bad to worse

[uncut swallow]

kinda weird choice , given they even added the missing buttons

[leaden kiln]

Smash Bros Gamecube (Nintendo Switch) https://amzn.eu/d/dgK1NeX

Well Well Well

[wind belfry]

I will grab the official GCN Switch 2 controller, but honestly doubt they can beat the RetroFighter Battler GC Pro in terms of functionality and value

extremely whack that you can't use them for anything beside GCN Classics tho, like all buttons are there

[leaden kiln]

Is it retro fighter battler gc pro is good

[viscid thorn]

Nobody is paid what they are worth, only what they can get. Never fault the fellow worker for getting their bag, but instead the system that incentivizes companies cheating their workers (I could provide a dozen stories about Walmart getting taken to court for hundreds of millions of dollars of wage theft, but that's getting a bit off-track). Celebrate your fellow worker's good fortune and use it as a means to argue your own worth. 💪

[tawny halo]

Yes very good. I bought 3

[wind belfry]

honestly I'm half-assing my job for way more money, because they gave us shit all raises during the past few years, why give a shit if they ain't pay you a fair wage?

[viscid thorn]

(As an aside, remembering how at my old job we were "forbidden" to talk about our salaries with other workers, and nobody there realized this was actually illegal under federal labor law (or at least it was).)

[viscid thorn]

"Boss make a dollar while I make a dime, and that's why I 💩 on company time."

[wind belfry]

naturally, at least a week per year you should be paid to take a shit

[leaden kiln]

3 wow

[compact sable]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-bus-stop-angry-shouting-gif-5144560278104615828

They are ripping pages out of the Microsoft Xbox playbook at this stage

Let’s hope it doesn’t decimate them like it did MS

[twilit nimbus]

Oh, I wasn’t faulting him, truly it’s more a reflection on the company I work for. Of course people take what they can get, I just feel like my company is stuck in pre-Covid pay while simultaneously raising prices twice in the past year (probably another one coming soon, lenses come from Taiwan). I’m glad for him; I’m thinking I need to change my job/career just to keep up with costs.

… anyway, Switch 2

[viscid thorn]

I'm thinking back to when Nintendo released the 3DS, confident their 1st party games would sell the massively more expensive device, and then had to course-correct in a panic because people had a dozen DS games they still hadn't gotten around to and the 3DS only offered a marginally better experience for such a massive price-hike.

[lean lotus]

One problem is that the 3DS didn't really launch with any big launch games.

The actual fuck is this shit lol

Even the Nintendo DS had Super Mario 64 DS

[viscid thorn]

Nintendogs was a pretty huge title on the DS, it's credited with boosting sales of the system by 4x, but I'm guessing by the time the 3DS rolled out the shine wore off a bit.

[odd scaffold]

How can you say that when there was a port of Rayman 2?! That's unprecedented territory, porting Rayman 2

[viscid thorn]

But yeah, no Mario was a major fumble.

[lean lotus]

No Mario or Zelda, and new Pokemon was a DS game after 3DS release.

[odd scaffold]

It's so funny that they ported Rayman 2 to both the 3ds and the DS

[lean lotus]

Part of it for the 3DS and Wii U was definitely the casual audience being perfectly content with their Wii and DS. They had no need or desire for a new console on either front, espeically something as pricey as those two at their launches.

3DS though, that thing had some bangers. Wii U did too, but man the droughts between games were brutal.

3DS after it got its head out of its ass definitely stepped up. Whereas HD development was a pretty obvious up-hill battle for Nintendo on the Wii U.

[open osprey]

Which is what I think will be repeated

[leaden kiln]

Pes 2011 and street fighter was so cool on 3ds

[lean lotus]

At least in my experience talking with coworkers, a lot of them are very excited about the Switch 2, well at least before the tariffs.

Whereas I distinctly remember virtually no one talking about the 3DS or Wii U around launch IRL.

[viscid thorn]

I mean, how many people have their whole wishlist on the switch 1? Especially when you know a lot are going to find their way onto the used market for cheap in the next few months.

[leaden kiln]

I mean people are still excited for switch 2

[open osprey]

Im not saying people aren't excited

[viscid thorn]

It's pretty divided from what I can see, but that's online. Only way to know is when the sales figures come out.

[open osprey]

But I think the Switxh 2 will sell well at first

But stagnate after a few months

[leaden kiln]

Switch 2 at the best will be like 3ds sales

[lean lotus]

What's funny is that I remember these exact type statements about the Switch 1 before its release.

[viscid thorn]

They lost me when they started suggesting $10 for upscaling the Switch 1 games, like what?

[leaden kiln]

That's one I'm confident with that

[leaden kiln]

I mean it's not all of them same thing with playstation

I think only xbox doesn't charge people

[eager vessel]

I think some games do technically

[leaden kiln]

Really

[eager vessel]

I rememebr vividly wanting to buy a game but the only way to get XS / PS5 improvements were by buying the "special edition"

which was $10 more lol

[leaden kiln]

But xbox have smart delivery

[lean lotus]

That was probably Control?

I remember there being big drama about that

[viscid thorn]

Sony calls it a "remaster", though, and correct me if I'm wrong, they use higher-rez textures. Most Nintendo games are in primary colors. Mario's shirt isn't going to look better with a 4k texture, so it's basically just an upscape that my Odin 2 can do for free.

[lean lotus]

Since if you had the game and all its DLC you still had to buy the Ultimate Edition if you wanted the PS5/XSX version free or whatever.

[viscid thorn]

Oh yeah that shit was crazy.

[leaden kiln]

No no if you have ps4 version you have to pay the upgrade like spider man miles mordes

[lean lotus]

Thankfully I wasn't impacted by it, because I didn't have Control yet, and got the Ultimate Edition on PS4 for like, $20.

[leaden kiln]

Or ghost of tsushima

Same with days gone

[open osprey]

And even then it's not even all the games that you have the pay for

[leaden kiln]

Of course the ones that have ps5 version

[open osprey]

I meant switch 2

[leaden kiln]

Oh yh most of them would be fine nintendo stated that most of them can be improved with higher frame rate

Or resolution

Some of them may be get switch 2 edition

I don't get why people is pissed at nintendo when playstation doing the same thing

[twilit nimbus]

If the PlayStation Portal can sell (it’s been a surprise hit from what I can tell), the Switch 2 will sell well.

[viscid thorn]

Because we expect to get hosed by Sony. Nintendo was always the "more innovative (if less shiny) games for less money" option.

(Well, not since the cartridge days anyway.)

[eager vessel]

Also correct me if I'm wrong but I think some of the sports games had two diff versions for One + Series, and the Series one was $10 more

I could be wrong tho

[leaden kiln]

Nope you can get both and they let you choose what version to play

That's why I'm saying they do smart delivery most of their games

So you get both versions

In one than separately

An example

[eager vessel]

weird

[leaden kiln]

Xbox is only company that doesn't charge people for upgrades

[eager vessel]

'cause when I google NBA 2k25 I see two versions

Series X and Xbox One

[eager vessel]

That's the only sports game I play, that's why I used that example. Maybe the other games don't do it.

[leaden kiln]

This one

Same th

[eager vessel]

oh wait, is it different depending on region?? Even now I',m looking at like Walmart and AMazon and BEst Buy and it's all separate lol

[leaden kiln]

Oh

It's different region uk version

[eager vessel]

People on reddit are even asking if there's any difference in the two versions, so maybe that's why. :S

damn this sucks yeah there's also posts on microsoft forums of people buying the wrong version lmao... what a mess

@leaden kiln it looks like companies can opt out of using smart delivery. : (

[leaden kiln]

Yh it's only xbox does it which I appreciate it but nintendo and playstation charge people for it

[eager vessel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/XboxSeriesX/comments/xqbnqx/so_is_smart_delivery_basically_dead_now_seems/ -> yeah looks like first party is gonna have smart delivery, anything else is bye bye 😦

[wind belfry]

I mean, it depends on the publisher, there are certainly different versions of games out there and you can even buy only the Xbox One or Xbox Series version on some

[leaden kiln]

That's true as well

[eager vessel]

yeah this was said above i think

[wind belfry]

but honestly most games are Series only now anyway

[eager vessel]

Yeah

Either way everything is expensive now

this is why I refuse to buy a car lmao

[leaden kiln]

You are right You are right some games have separate game

[eager vessel]

We're all right in some way : D

[leaden kiln]

But if it's comes to xbox one and xbox series x/s they would do smart delivery

[wind belfry]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/switch-2-gamecube-controller-will-only-be-offered-to-those-who-pre-order-the-console/

now I'm furious

[eager vessel]

oh that's kind of weird

Oh wait it says "initially"

[wind belfry]

as if a 70€ price tag wouldn't be bad enough, nope let's make it invitation only for those who pre-order the console via OUR store

[eager vessel]

So initially it will only be available for those preordering the console. I guess they're wondering who else would buy it that would actually use it during the preorder period

[wind belfry]

I ordered my Switch 2 via Amazon, so no GCN Controller for me

[leaden kiln]

Oh peak

[eager vessel]

Ohhh I didn't consider this

That's a good point

[wind belfry]

also "initially" is a joke, because they will be out of stock like the other My Nintendo controllers for most of the time

[eager vessel]

Oh, I was able to get the N64 controllers pretty easily

I think they get easier over time

But yeah, I get it, that's unfair

Now that I consider the fact that you can preorder elsewhere, limiting them to their store only is kind of dumb.

[wind belfry]

yeah I got them all eventually, but it's annoying

[eager vessel]

for sure

[wind belfry]

also for even to be invited to order the Switch2 from their store I would have had to agree to share data with them, which I never do

[eager vessel]

ohh, yeah, that makes sense

I think mine is set to share data with them

but I can't order it right now anyway lol

[wind belfry]

it's just bullshit tbh, I get protecting against scalpers but come on

[silk hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/rules-gif-24877692

[wind belfry]

man not being able to order my 4 GCN controller sucks

also why are there no black ones

[rustic orchid]

I only had black controllers. And a black GameCube

[fallen herald]

This GC controller can only be used on switch 2? Or does it show up as a directinput/xinput controller on PC?

[wind belfry]

will probably get PC support later

Nintendo is kinda ass about it right now

only working with Switch 2 and GCN Classics, not even your Switch 2 games

[tawny halo]

I did see some people in UK have managed to order controller on its own. But it is invitation only. Also max 2 controller per Nintendo account

Sadly i can’t confirm this as no invite 🤦‍♂️

I have seen that Nintendo is ending the invite system on 28th April

Sorry 24th

Pinched screenshot, im not brannon 😅

[wind belfry]

the audacity

[tawny halo]

Yeah. Im not sure if those people who managed to order on its own are going to get cancelled. But not seen anything yet. Guess can try for yourself on 24th

But they did say it wont let you put more than 2 in basket

Then has a message that 2 per account currently

Here is a little ramble from user who spoke with Nintendo

[untold flame]

TARIFFS PAUSED

We're so back

[open osprey]

not for china

[wind belfry]

China tariffs gone up, you guys are cooked

[tawny halo]

Not for china. 125% now

[untold flame]

NVM I can't read

[tawny halo]

Admittedly had to read it a few times

[hushed igloo]

Considering Nintendo moved most of their production out of China should be good

[tawny halo]

Vietnam

I believe

[torn wraith]

Switch 2 is assembled in Vietname. 10% tariffs still stands so...

I think price is still going up

[hushed igloo]

10% is better than 125%

[torn wraith]

Prob $500 for base switch but tariff is paused for 90 days. So, in 90 days it can be back

[hushed igloo]

I meant Nintendo should be good because lower tariff in Vietnam

[tawny halo]

[hushed igloo]

Don’t get me wrong: still potential for the price to go up

[wind belfry]

10% is totally fine lol

they probably calculated the $449 price point with like 15-20% in mind anyway

[silent otter]

The problem is nothing is confirmed. Its been changing everyday.

[round sparrow]

it's a 90 days pause, but we'll see if that pause even sticks

[wind belfry]

tho they will probably raise it to $499 at the very least just to not have to do so in a month again

[hushed igloo]

I mean…nobody is stopping them from doing that if they want

[torn wraith]

I still think prices do go up. There is still tariff and prices could be baked in(who knows since price seems to similar across EU as well and they don't have tariffs). Also, this is 90 days pause and it could go back up since Trump is trying to get manufacturing jobs back and he did see that Vietnam was used as a middle man when Trump tariffed China in 2018

[hushed igloo]

Yes…well…I doubt Nintendo will move to the US for manufacturing…

[round sparrow]

switches would cost waaay more if they were manufactured in the US lol

[open osprey]

Too much more

[hushed igloo]

What else is new?

We don’t have the local resources we used to decades ago so that drives everything up sadly

[leaden kiln]

This would be fine righ

[round sparrow]

I'm not even sure if the production is 100% done in vietnam, or if it's split between vietnam and china

[hushed igloo]

If it doesn’t shoot up higher after the stop,sure

[leaden kiln]

But then what about asus and lenovo

[hushed igloo]

Idk lol

[tawny halo]

Really it just matters where the stock is sent from. So i wonder if they would import to cheaper countries to then import to US 🤷🏻‍♂️

[wind belfry]

honestly, people are too used to cheap electronics anyway
I mean sure cheap toys are nice
but the ultimate goal should be a strong middle class tbh

not gonna say he is going to archive that

[hushed igloo]

They can only do that for 90 days though: after it’ll hurt

[silent otter]

Vietnam manufacturing are Chinese owned in disguise. If Vietnam exports too much, Trump will switch targets to Vietnam. Then the cycle repeats lol

They will move manufacturing to any other country besides the USA...

[north prawn]

what does china import from the US?

[silent otter]

You mean import?

Food, oil and gas

[north prawn]

wouldnt they prefer their own authentic chinese food over Panda Express?

[wind belfry]

dude

[silent otter]

Not food for people , mostly animal feed

[wind belfry]

you just killed me

[silent otter]

grains and soy

[wind belfry]

I need air

[north prawn]

its finger ling ling good

[wind belfry]

as if anyone would ever import people food from the US

cuz you know

there is no people food

[silent otter]

Its mostly going to affect American Farmers.

[sudden agate]

On one end, soy beans, LNG
On the other end, medical equipment, analytical instrument

[north prawn]

https://youtu.be/SG6qcMsbvco?si=b-EnzHUS1F0EQNfx&t=125

[sudden agate]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d_CaZ4EAexQ

[plush schooner]

Pilotwings Resort is way better than people give it credit for.

[hushed igloo]

Oh gawd the racism in this one clip

[proper bear]

Yeah. At least in king of the hill it's intended, haha

[hushed igloo]

I’m sorry,but people misidentifying Asians just bugs me to no end

[proper bear]

Oh for sure. You don't have to be sorry. The point is to highlight the prevalence of racism in that regard

[hushed igloo]

I don’t watch adult cartoons because I hate the jokes,so childish

[proper bear]

Yeah. It's not meant to be a joke taken at face value. Holds true for most shows like that. Futurama, South Park, etc.

[hushed igloo]

I know,but it’s just not for me clearly

[rapid pollen]

Trump doesn't actually care about who's doing the manufacturing, he's specifically targeting China because communism and racism

[hushed igloo]

Well…yes apparently China would die if it was a democracy

[proper bear]

It'd have worse wealth disparity than we do

That's for sure

[hushed igloo]

That’s what I mean,among other things

[proper bear]

Yeah. Trump's an interesting guy in that regard. China is both scary, brilliant, successful and weak, dumb, and failing. They use that tactic for everything they don't like.

[hushed igloo]

They don’t like that the right is onto them,yes

[proper bear]

On to them? That's just an example of contradiction

It was always going to be a showdown tho as China became more prevalent in the global market. US has controlled world trade for decades at this point. Why markets are based on the USD. Now China wants to control them or at least create an alternative power hub. In the end the fighting will just raise costs for everyone. Who knows who will come out on top

[zealous saffron]

It’s a classic!

Timeless even

[proper bear]

Yup

[novel crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNA7fBFL1I

I wonder what people think of this video on the switch 2 announcement stuff 🤔

[leaden kiln]

It's like nintendo hasn't do this before

[proper bear]

More a commentary on how much of consumers we are. Heh

"You don't understand sir! You must give us the newest thing for cheaper or you're greedy"

[leaden kiln]

Sigh it's like they didn't expect nintendo do this last hope

[proper bear]

Like you could just not buy it I guess? Maybe? No wait, that's dumb. You have to now!

[untold flame]

I can do both

[proper bear]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-prove-it-not-sure-hmm-thinking-gif-12624482

[untold flame]

Why would I buy the switch 2 at such exorbitant prices

The steam deck is for me

[proper bear]

Well that's not both. You're not buying it

Good on you for making personal decisions

[novel stratus]

👍

[untold flame]

Wait what

"Like you could just not buy it I guess?"

Doing that

Yes

Saying that too

Seems to be both

That is the both

[proper bear]

Lol. It was a joke about the entitled consumer. I guess you can be that if you want 😆

[latent vortex]

https://wccftech.com/nintendo-has-indefinitely-delayed-the-launch-of-the-nintendo-switch-2-in-china/

[proper bear]

Just think all the vids milking clicks from people being outraged that Nintendo won't sell them stuff cheaper is a funny market in itself

[latent vortex]

china more boned than usa/canada

[proper bear]

Yeah. Trade wars hurt everyone

If people in US don't get their treats they riot tho

I guess Nintendo consoles are pretty lukewarm in China anyway

[manic lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-curry-space-capitalism-laughing-hysterically-smirk-gif-21230907

[proper bear]

Guess it's less pain for China if they don't care about it anyway

[gaunt ravine]

A report from Nikkei said Nintendo is doing demand-checks first before deciding when or if it will launch the new console in China, also Chinese fans can turn to the grey market to import consoles from overseas in June.

[proper bear]

ah, makes sense

[sharp needle]

iQue Switch 2 coming soon

[pale ivy]

Cope

[north prawn]

Amazon France cancelled my Changer 2 order

What other handhelds have HDR?

[rapid pollen]

this screenshot features every console a real gamer needs

[ember perch]

I'll buy a Switch 2 for first party nintendo games, everything else I play on Steamdeck cuz I like to collect achievements

[heady snow]

The lcd steam deck just really isn't worth it nowadays imo

Too many compromises

[proper bear]

The OLED is tight.

[viscid thorn]

Why is it always the consumer who's entitled and not the corporation that, by design, has to keep extracting more and more wealth every year in an infinite cycle of endless growth (a 100% achievable thing) or it implodes?

Game companies have been consistently posting record profits for a decade and then pretend like they'll whither and die if they don't find a way to extract even more wealth.

[proper bear]

Because this isn't shelter. Or food. Or water. It's entertainment. None of us NEED this device. We have no problem skipping other handhelds when we think they're overpriced. But how dare Nintendo charge what they think the device is worth

The response has just been super reactionary. Let's get people foaming at the mouth when you're right, these corporations do just want our money. But no one is forcing us to buy these things. It's not a necessity for survival

One can think it's overpriced and share their opinion, but yelling at them during live streams or calling them greedy is just kind of laughable and sad

Greed is taking life saving medicine and making it a for profit venture. Or raising rent because half the city burnt down

Greed implies withholding a product at the detriment of others to improve one's own wealth

None of us will suffer if we don't buy a gaming system. Especially when there's many options on the market

[viscid thorn]

Are you finally done?
Because this is an argument as stupid as it is pervasive I've watched vomited forth by defenders of corporations for years, because while it's true that no one luxury is a necessity, luxuries in general are. "Man cannot live on bread alone". At some point people need something besides the bare minimum to survive, and those things are the only thing holding the empire together right now. Take away the treats and people are going to start to realize how bad things have gotten, and that's when you get the real trouble.

[viscid thorn]

That's a definition you made up yourself that neither I nor the dictionary subscribes to.

[proper bear]

Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe they'll start getting angry about shit that would actually improve their lives

Instead of getting upset they can't just have their treats

I agree with you there

Id say that's the core of the entitlement issue an ultra consumerist society has

[viscid thorn]

Whether it's withholding food or a button that shoves a subscription service in your face every time you accidentalyl press it, it all stems from the same source. Nintendo doesn't get a pass on this.

[proper bear]

Well if you think it's worth the effort you can take up a banner

I just think it's silly

[viscid thorn]

If anything the video game industry, having next to non-existent regulation, is the canary in the coal mine for the manipulation tactics corporations will employ everywhere else they can.

[proper bear]

Lol

You act like many of the things they adopt aren't already pervasive in every inch of end game capitalism to begin with

But you can make it your beachhead

Much of the software required for the health industry, insurance industry, financial industry, streaming services, and business in general did many of these things long before video games adopted them. DRM, DLC, monthly payments, price gouging, etc. if anything gaming industry is just another example of what has existed in a profit seeking world long before computers ever existed, under different names

But hey, if it gets you to move against more important things after the gaming battle has ended, I'm all for it as a gateway

A lot of people just stop caring about the "injustice" once they get their treat

[viscid thorn]

The other reason your argument is counterproductive is that it's just the "there's always a bigger fish" argument. Whatever you care about, there will always be something some 🤡 will argue is more important to fight over. Who the hell are you to tell someone what to care about?

https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs?feature=shared

[proper bear]

Anyway. Was fun to dive into! I'm passing out

[viscid thorn]

Peace.

[zealous saffron]

It’s kinda crazy there’s no secretary for the arts when by gdp in America it makes up a larger portion than some things that have dedicated regulatory bodies

Obviously video games are small potatoes there compared to movies and tv

do you think any more first party games will be announced between now and release day?

right now MKW, bananza, and kirby air riders isn't really enough to justify new hardware

[viscid thorn]

The video game industry is larger by value than all of movies, TV, and music combined.

[leaden kiln]

Damn Kirby air riders disrespect 😤 😭

[zealous saffron]

to be clear air riders is a close second to bananza on how much I personally care about those titles

but when 2 of the 3 first party titles shown are couch multiplayer racers that means 90% of the time a switch 2 would be purely for bananza at my house.

need another big single player title like a mario game or (real, not dynasty warriors) zelda or something

[leaden kiln]

I think they got solid thrid party games as well for new nintendo people

But I might get metroid prime 4

[zealous saffron]

yeah if you do all your gaming there, but that's not why someone who already owns PCs would buy a switch

oh yeah metroid

[leaden kiln]

Metroid prime 4 could be super special

[zealous saffron]

though it's also coming out for switch 1

[leaden kiln]

Nope deffo not I'm getting that for switch 2

Someone who never owned a switch

[zealous saffron]

yeah if you're gonna get a switch 2 anyway obviously get the newer version

I'm just saying it's maybe not a system seller if it's available for the previous gen

[leaden kiln]

True

It depends on people I like nintendo having options for different people

[night ridge]

I think when they speak about translation layer, it’s probably something like linuxulator in BSD, where a program made for Linux can call Linux syscalls and they behave more or less like the original, but it’s still a different system. I don’t expect anything like Rosetta or HW virtualisation.

[umbral matrix]

I don't think I'm getting my Lexar 1TB card 😫 it was £158 when I bought it a week ago, since then they've upped the price to over £210 and it's sold out

They have five days before AliExpress auto-refunds me

[blazing sleet]

Unless there is a revolution on the horizon then you only get to have as many luxuries as you can afford rather than all of them and while we would all like a switch 2 that cost the same as the switch 1 that was released the best part of a decade ago, the reality is that the stuff in it costs more and thus they are charging more.

Incidentally, thinking that some people are too self-entitled doesn't actually equate to defending a company, it is perfectly possible to think that corporations could do a lot better, the amount of erosion of rights, effective income etc is shocking, while also thinking that people's expectations for non-eessentials are excessive too.

[untold flame]

The humble steam library:

[untold flame]

People can be angry at two things you know

[novel crystal]

Thinking about it isn't it weird the switch 2 needs a translation layer for switch 1? Shouldn't switch 1 just work on switch 2 if you think about it?

[wind belfry]

No, because it's a different SoC

Unlike GCN to Wii to Wii U, where they could just downclock and stuff this is basically like running Switch on your phone

[novel crystal]

Right but theoretically it should be capable of backwards compatibility if the os is the same which it probably is

It's not like Nintendo switched architecture suddenly

[wind belfry]

Not even PS4 games work without a compatibility layer on the PS5

No switch in architecture there either

[novel crystal]

By architecture I meant instruction set

X86, arm, and risc v

The switch 1 and 2 are both are on arm chips made by Nvidia at tsmc

[manic lantern]

Corporations are killing their employees for that unsustainable growth concept and we seek entertainment as an asylum. Governments in various countries like the US are not putting any funds or focus into mental health when there are significant signs of people becoming ill and violent. These products are essentially tools we use now to not go insane and with inflation/greedflation on foods & essentials, we have fewer funds for the medication.

[manic lantern]

I wonder if Nintendo will announce pre orders again today. (Prob not it's late evening in Japan)

Did anyone notice if any previews mentioned fps increases on on Switch 1 games without patches? i.e. sticking a game that runs at 20-25 fps on Switch 1 now running 30+ fps on Switch 2?

[viscid thorn]

Again, I take issue with the idea that only the consumer can ever be "entitled" and not corporations who feel entitled to every dime we make. Again, the video game industry has been making record profits the last decade, Nintendo especially, so I'm not convinced the cost of "the stuff in it" is the main issue.
Hell, Nintendo used to be willing to just break-even on hardware to make their money on the software.

Heck, the state of things has been a major contributor to video game profits as people need more and more coping mechanisms. Look how popular Animal Crossing was during the pandemic.

[blazing sleet]

Where's the evidence that they aren't doing that, hardware could still be remaining at cost (just above that was what they actually always did) with the price increase being readily accounted for by increased specs and inflation

[viscid thorn]

Where's the evidence they are? Nintendo has done nothing in the last decade to earn my trust.

The only thing they're known for is never having sales and suing their fans.

[blazing sleet]

You are the one making the claim that they are screwing us on the price rather than doing their usual pricing, so it would seem to be like the onus would be on the person making the claim to back it up

[viscid thorn]

$10 for a tech demo, $10 to use a new button, $10 so your old game runs faster... they are nickel-and-diming the 💩 out of us at this point, the evidence is literally their own presentation.

Again, what have they done to earn the benefit of the doubt?

[blazing sleet]

So you have literally nothing about the actual console, let's move on and you can go post a meme on reddit for the upvotes about this claim

[viscid thorn]

Sorry your favorite corporation is getting criticized, it must be so hard for you. 😔

[manic lantern]

I think this is a viable argument considering once companies got a taste of Covid pricing they refused to come back down. That's why food was 80% inflation vs 23% until Walmart of all companies said they will refuse to stock food unless prices go down. Nintendo got used to selling buku during Covid and they don't want it to stop either.

[blazing sleet]

Much like your other comments, that has no factual basis either.

[viscid thorn]

I posted plenty of facts, not acknowledging it is a you problem.

[blazing sleet]

No facts about me nor the console's costs though, in any case even if my time had no value, this would still be wasting it, so you can just keep ranting to yourself

[leaden kiln]

Bro it's no point to argue I tried already with someone else

[leaden kiln]

It's technology because they are same arm doesn't mean it's same technology it's same for xbox 360 and xbox and ps2 and ps3

Or ps3 to ps4

[tidal tree]

Just dont buy the console and games at launch and be happy.
I will be buying it at launch and will be having fun 🙂

[leaden kiln]

At least early ps3 has a ps2 chip innit

[leaden kiln]

Ahile like bare energy for something that people are going to buy In the end of the day

I understand why he is annoyed but this is nintendo

[viscid thorn]

Given the fact the Switch 1 can often emulate Switch 1 games faster than the Switch 1 can (this is one of those facts I like to post in support of my arguments, I'm pointing it out here so certain people can't deliberately avoid it without looking even more foolish), I find it hard to believe that the Switch 2 needs more than a simple command line to upscale a Switch 1 game given it's just a translation layer it's running through. (this is an assumption based on the previous fact, I also feel the need to point this out for certain people.)

[leaden kiln]

I believe that we are lucky that we got 10,000 games this is more than enough

Otherwise it would be horrible situation

[tidal tree]

lmao, try to write a command line that does that

[viscid thorn]

I hope you'll have the humility to thank people calling Nintendo out if the backlash gets them to back off and you save $50.

(but I doubt it)

[leaden kiln]

The problem is technology always evolve we are comparing 2013 chip to t239/downclocking rtx 2050 even MVG said it back at 2023

Let me find the video

[tidal tree]

on what should i save $50? The console pricing itself is fine. Do you mean the switch 2 upgraded versions of switch 1 games or what?

[leaden kiln]

https://youtu.be/WH03ht2fVqI?si=Zmr5XWf7Fc5b2MhU

https://youtu.be/WVgUe3qSU9k?si=mCTzoFZqrU8Nlxrq

I remember mvg got huge backlash from first video

[tidal tree]

yea even states it in the second vid

[leaden kiln]

Yet he was right since the beginning

[blazing sleet]

it seems more akin to a translation layer like proton than strictly being emulation

[leaden kiln]

Exactly

[tidal tree]

the usual way to get backward compatibility was to include the old chip somewhere on the mainboard or to build up upon the old SoC in the system itself

[leaden kiln]

Even nintendo stated it in their website

[viscid thorn]

I have no skin in this game, I have plenty of games on my DSi and largely ignore FOMO, but here's the thing. If you are immune to the psychologically manipulative tactics Nintendo (and honestly every game company) employ, then you are not the intended victim. My issue with game companies' tactics is on principle. If Nintendo charges $10k for their system it won't affect me in the slightest.

People saying, "Hurhurhur don't buy it!" are missing why I take issue with them.

[tidal tree]

then dont buy the switch 2 be happy and buy it in a few years when its cheaper i dont see the issue tbh

[viscid thorn]

🤡

[tidal tree]

saying youre ignoring FOMO and then buying it day1 seems kinda weird

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie lots of techinal words like I hear it but I haven't bought nintendo since wii/ds days so I can't relate with this I'm sorry

Like playstation been doing it

[viscid thorn]

When did I say I was buying it day 1? Are you okay?

[leaden kiln]

Xbox been doing it even tho they are not trying to be like that

So Idk

[tidal tree]

then i dont get what youre trying to say

[leaden kiln]

It's like apple

It's always to come new shit people are going to buy it

[tidal tree]

ofc they do its normal

[leaden kiln]

No one would force you to buy iy

I mean I just got my s21 because I been rocking my a12 for 5 years

[tidal tree]

a new iphone is also expensive af and way overpriced and ppl still buy it

[viscid thorn]

Yeah, Nintendo is free to do that. If they want to be the next Neo Geo and sell expensive games on expensive hardware to a smaller, dedicated audience, they can do that, but I they are going to sacrifice a lot of market share.

[tidal tree]

my work mate bought a iphone for almost 2k

[blazing sleet]

Those definitely do have a hefty margin on the hardware too, greater than 50% on any flagship phone

[tidal tree]

They will probably drop a switch light or any other variants a bit cheaper down the line, most switch 1 sales also happend around the mid life cycle

[viscid thorn]

I mean, that is a choice. But past $400 you get such diminishing returns on a phone that they're basically admitting they threw money away as on a status symbol, like a diamon encrusted chain or ring, but the jewelry won't depreciate in value in 6 months. 👀

[tidal tree]

also dont think that they will keep the game prices this high, your average joe wont buy $80 games

[blazing sleet]

The switch 2 won't sell as many as the switch 1 and it will have little to do with the price, the switch 1 did so well due to the pandemic boost

[leaden kiln]

I mean girls buy nails polish wigs for $300 plus

[tidal tree]

its like DS vs 3DS Wii vs Wii U all over again

[viscid thorn]

Switch was doing fine before the pandemic but it definitely didn't hurt.

[leaden kiln]

Our shit is always been luxury

[blazing sleet]

It won't be a wiiu, but it will be a drop

[open osprey]

That's not even an apt comparison. The Neo Geo was overpriced even for its time cause it was using Arcade tech to play these huge carts that were 1:1 arcade games with IPs that, while popular, were never the same level as Nintendo or Sega.

Nintendo has made such a major name for itself for everyone, so even if the hardcore gamers leave, causal fans and families will still buy the system eventually either through bundles, possible prices drops, or system refreshes like the Lite. Plus Nintendo IPs have far more sway in the gaming industry vs Neo Geo (despite my admiration for SNK and their efforts)

[viscid thorn]

Wigs can go up to $2k, but those wigs are made of human hair though and require careful hand-crafted skill. You can actually see where the money goes.

[viscid thorn]

I think you have it backwards, the hardcore gamers are the ones who will swallow the price. The casuals are the ones who are going to second-guess buying one.

[leaden kiln]

It's like this ps3 launch 599 no one was buying

2009 they released slim

[open osprey]

You didn't see the part after where i said eventually through prices drops and such

[leaden kiln]

Then they sold more than xbox 360

[viscid thorn]

Nintendo's comment that "You always have the Switch 1" really brought back memories of Sony telling us to get better jobs.

[leaden kiln]

But the problem is nintendo is not being sony because unfortunately economy is shit and the world is fucked up

Your president is making serious decisions that it's going to affect everyone

That's I'm seeing as well

[viscid thorn]

I have and continue to make the argument that every country in the world should get to vote for the American president because the shit we do affects literally everyone else.

[blazing sleet]

That's such a flawed comparison it must be a joke or intentional hyperbole, a new console costing less than the msrp of the other existing current consoles in the market is in no way comparable to the very niche neogeo

[leaden kiln]

We no no people told you lots to not vote felon president in the first place it's common sense

[viscid thorn]

Let's not go there because the reasons he won and the other candidate lost will involve a lot of non-game and non-civil discussion.

[leaden kiln]

I know

I mean

We all watched it

[blazing sleet]

There was a variety of reasons, not all of which would end in 'ist' 😄

[leaden kiln]

In the end of the day you guys can wait for switch 2

[blazing sleet]

at the end of the day, most of us will be waiting on one, be it due to shortages or delayed launches

[tidal tree]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-winning-tired-of-winning-too-much-winning-trump-winning-gif-18117157088195654833

[rapid dawn]

He should get it from the second video as well because it's not emulation.

Honestly people have been parroting this video all over the web at this point he's a main contributor to disinformation.

[viscid thorn]

It's going to be increasingly hard to enforce "no-politics" rules because for the first time it's kicking the door in and rubbing their dirty-ass boots on certain escapist circles that could previously ignore it.

[blazing sleet]

Charlie Sheen is clearly Trump's spirit animal

[night ridge]

SWitch Is Not Emulation

[viscid thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-chappelle-rick-james-charlie-murphy-stretch-out-gif-17133539

[rapid dawn]

This server doesn´t have a no politics rule. Just a be nice to each other rule.

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie I'm excited for switch 2 because I want to see how nintendo and nvidia bring dlss in the system what devs can optimize for the system

[tidal tree]

https://tenor.com/view/joel-kinneman-for-all-mankind-politics-gif-23136209

[rapid dawn]

Wait actually there is a politics rule?

ah "it goes without saying" oh, I see.

[tidal tree]

well politics are getting way out of hand in almost every country

[blazing sleet]

I wonder if that will actually be used in handheld mode too or will it mostly just be used for the 4k upscaling in docked mode

[tidal tree]

same i hope i get one day 1 its like first time i buy a console on launch day

[leaden kiln]

Mostly in docked mode

[blazing sleet]

Unless it follows the pc route and becomes a crutch in both modes

[leaden kiln]

I wish I can do that but I have to wait to get it properly later on

[leaden kiln]

We could see happening on both it's up to devs as well

[blazing sleet]

Not sure if I ever bought a console day one, n64/gc/dc were all early purchases though, gc might have been a launch one

[open osprey]

I never bought a console day one

[viscid thorn]

Only reason to buy a console day 1 is that those are going to be the most easily moddable.

[open osprey]

Wii was a Christmas gift, Wii U was Christmas, PS3 and Xbox 360 were random buys a year in, and even my switch was 2 years after

[leaden kiln]

I would wait until next year at least

[blazing sleet]

I go with are there enough games I want to play on a system, that's the only factor that really matters to me

Was it the ps3 or ps2 where the headline act at launch was SSX? It was a good game, but that was a weak launch lineup.

[proper bear]

Normally I'd just be like sure. But there's about 50 more egregious things to be angry about right now. So adding a foreign company wanting to make money off something less important seems like an excessive 51. But it s choice. Just feels like no way to live life. Most would say focusing on one important one is the way to go

[leaden kiln]

Ps2

[tidal tree]

modding is only fun at the end of an life cycle of a console tbh, i hate the cat and mouse game with patches

[proper bear]

I'm not saying they're not great things to have. But complaining about a foreign company seems like an odd way to fight the power when there's so many examples at home which are worse where actual impact could be made. I'm pretty sure corporations here are actually on your side in this fight. I'm sure MS also thinks it's too expensive. So buy an Xbox! 😁

[tidal tree]

V1 switch was fun cuz the exploit just always worked

[open osprey]

Its why 3DS and Wii U modding took on big life after the switch came

Also End of life means modding your console leads to less risk of the company trying to nuke you out of orbit

[tidal tree]

3ds modding was annoying af to me, so many patches and exploits.. soundhax, ninjhax i think even the browser had a exploit at one point

[open osprey]

Yeaaah, it took a while for it to become super simple and have alot for it

[tidal tree]

cubic ninja for $100 lmao

[open osprey]

I was around for the Ninjhax days and such

That shit was crazy

[tidal tree]

i think some dsi ware was also exploitable

i remember there were some takedowns on the eshop

[open osprey]

Yeah yeab

[tidal tree]

i miss the sweet download animation of the 3ds

[open osprey]

Hell, I remember when Arm9loader was the go to before switching to Boot9Strap

[blazing sleet]

Now if people want to take shots at nintendo, that 3ds update last year to make hacking them more hassle was a dick move when they refuse to do anything with the system (not even sticking it on NSO)

[tidal tree]

yea same, i was pretty activly hacking 3ds for friends

also the gateway flashcart was somewhat cool

[tidal tree]

well its a legacy console

[proper bear]

Yeah. This is a pretty dick mood. Goes beyond "I just don't want to pay that much" as an argument

Part of me wonders if they added all these virtual consoles just so they can go back and litigate older systems

[open osprey]

Ah yes, gateway

[open osprey]

Yeah, that was a dick move, but it was also effectively moot since people found ways to bypass it immediately

Still tho, wtf

[tidal tree]

needs more stability updates

[untold flame]

I think its just API conversion, but since it's perfectly documented and designed for the switch 2 it should work much better than yuzu. Yuzu nce apparently has a silly type of hypervisor.

[untold flame]

330 in Japan, they can do it here

[proper bear]

I mean that's just all around a bad take. Lol

[untold flame]

Steam deck is 400 for similar power from a company that doesn't really make hardware

[proper bear]

Neither does Nintendo technically. China makes the hardware for both

[north prawn]

Are we talking production or design?

[untold flame]

Nintendo has always been a hardware company in video games theyve done it for a bit less than 40 years

[proper bear]

Sure. They design hardware. Like Apple. Or Google. Or Valve. Etc. But none of them produce hardware

Not sure if M chips are made at apple actually

Valves also been doing VR and other shit for a while. Controllers. Steaming boxes. Etc.

Not as long. But I don't see why designing hardware longer suddenly means your stuff should be cheaper... Ahem... Apple

People also just seem to be totally ignorant that when the $450 price points were announced, tarrifs were already in place. Nintendo might say they didn't take them into account, but that's silly. Of course they did. Saying it is just a way to pad what they saw as inevitable tarrif increases down the road

[rapid dawn]

Tariffs weren't in place when the 450 price was announced

They weren't even announced until later that same day.

[proper bear]

Yes they were. Trump has already put tarrifs on China. On liberty day he just increased them

In fact he'd already put tarrifs on them twice

[rapid dawn]

Nintendo moved their factories to Vietnam to avoid Tariffs then Trump Announced Big Tariffs ON VIETNAM that same day the 450 price was announced

[proper bear]

Like it's wild people don't know these things and then wade into the fight. But I guess it's pretty niche knowledge

[rapid dawn]

And now the extra Tariffs have been "reduced" to 10%, ignoring that they didn't exist before that day.

[proper bear]

They moved SOME of their production. Not all of it

[rapid dawn]

Then that makes it worse because Trump didn't just increase the China tariffs, he made them a lot worse.

Nobody expected the April 2nd Tariffs to be that bad. That's why they crashed the market so much that Trump had to pretend to back down.

[rapid dawn]

That's an AI summary, so can you post a real source instead?

[proper bear]

Jesus. Fine. Could Google too. But let's make it extra exhausting

[rapid dawn]

If Nintendo still produce in China, then that makes the problem even worse because the new China tariffs were extreme as well.

[silent otter]

That make sense. They only need the US shipped Switches to come from Vietnam. Other countries can receive the China manufactured switch

[rapid dawn]

I don't care if you are exhausted. If you want me to take your argument into account, make a real argument rather than post AI-hallucinated slop.

[proper bear]

https://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-switch-production-vietnam-china-trump-trade-war-2019-7

There. "Some"

And that was in response to tarrifs from his first term

[rapid dawn]

Either way April 2nd introduced New Tariffs. Targeting both Vietnam and China. The Tariffs on China were rather extreme. So yeah, it made sense to halt preorders.

[proper bear]

Not the new ones he put on at the start of this one

But yeah. The April 2nd made it much worse

I totally agree with them halting

[compact sable]

https://www.polygon.com/explained/521905/trump-tariffs-china-consoles-nintendo-switch-2

Yeah this article also says moved “some”

It’s also from February when the tariffs were already announced

[proper bear]

But to pretend that all of this, moving factories, new tarrifs, etc. Had zero cost assosciated impact on the switch 2 price is a wild assumption

[compact sable]

Oh yeah I agree

[proper bear]

Not saying anyone here is saying that. Just that most people arguing online seem to only remember April 2nd

[compact sable]

399 was almost certainly the original price before it was announced in January

[proper bear]

Yeah. Most likely

Japan gets a discount but they've always done that in Japan

Which like they have every right too. especially when their currency is suffering

[blazing sleet]

That's the crucial thing, nintendo would have priced in some tariffs, but will have underestimated just how bad they would be. I bet all these laptop companies weren't thinking they would need to halt shipping until the fallout settled either.

[proper bear]

Yeah. Razer closing all its pre-orders, etc

[compact sable]

Yeah, can’t exactly plan for 124%

[proper bear]

Claiming it's "greed" is just like the laziest take anyone can make. Takes zero actual thought processing besides "it's more expensive than I want it to be"

[torn wraith]

124% is China. I think they make some in China and some in Vietname. They can just ship the one made in Vietnam to NA and then, use the China for the rest of the world.

I still think even if the Tariffs are rolled back, prices aren't coming down so..... trying to figure out original price and what it entails doesn't help

[compact sable]

I wouldn’t say greed exactly. However, a lot of the decisions with this console seem to be made less by gamers and more by people in suits who just seem gamers as a large revenue source that can be squeezed harder.

Stuff like the GameCube controller limitations really don’t sit well with me.

[proper bear]

Like I'll totally join the greed bandwagon if someone can find internal Nintendo memos where execs are like "hahaha, let's make everyone else pay more, secretly we've been producing these in international waters and tarrifs have zero impact on us. Muahahaha"

[proper bear]

To be fair. Now that has somewhat to do with future proofing. Thanks erratic Cheeto man

[compact sable]

NA is about 40% of the WW Switch 1 sales. Ive yet to hear how much production capability is in Vietnam but I bet it’s far less than that.

[proper bear]

And it could just be for US markets

[torn wraith]

Yeah, we don't know a lot and trying to guess with so many unknown variables doesn't work ata all. I'm still in the camp that switch 2 is expensive, games are expensive. Doesn't mean, it won't sell like hotcakes.

[proper bear]

But the last thing they're going to do is release lower prices when tarrifs are only on a 90 day pause

90 days seems optimistic. Heh

Can't imagine anything staying consistent for 90 days

[torn wraith]

As someone who didn't grow up with any Nintendo, I don't have a huge nostalgia and I played Mario Odyssey and didn't think it was 9.8/10 games. It is a good platformer, but I had same amount of fun playing ratchet and clank ps5 games.

So.... They can milk that nostalgia part and people are willing to pay for that

[proper bear]

As in limited production? That's pretty classic for Nintendo. It def sucks tho

[tidal tree]

tomorrow he will put up tariffs again

[compact sable]

Limited production, locked to usage with subscription based games on NSO

[proper bear]

Def nostalgic for it. But like, I have personal control, so I neither feel the need to buy nor harass them 😆

[proper bear]

Ah. That's an easy skip then. Hopefully a third party will release one. Think there is a BT one out there

[twilit nimbus]

Deck OLED for one

[compact sable]

If you consider the Y700 to be a handheld

[proper bear]

Haha. I loved mine. But it's like carrying around a serving tray

[torn wraith]

90 days pause is real so.. If I was Nintendo.. I would start the pre-order soon in NA. I think even if the Tariffs are placed, we know Cheeto will blink and they can eat that cost temporarily until they can figure out what to do.

It is defintely a headache trying to do business in these environment. I'm glad that every business person supporting Cheeto for president prob have a leopard eating face moment

[manic lantern]

I would say the argument for greed is that they have shown that it can be priced at or near cost by making it cheaper in Japan. Tariffs raise prices of course but Nintendo's largest market is children and families that are also having a hard time. What made it worse was before the price was announced they even made a statement that they need to consider what their customers consider affordable.

[compact sable]

I just hope it isn’t like basic HDR 500 because that would suck

[proper bear]

Again that's assumptions right? Like they could be selling at a loss in Japan. That said, I agree that families will struggle to afford it. But like, my family struggled to afford consoles. And sometimes I had to just wait...

[compact sable]

IMO Nintendo should get as many consoles stateside as possible and skip preorders.

Put them up for sale 6/1 or something delivered on the 5th.

Then push retailers to sell in B&M.

The problem with preorders is if they sell through supply and are actively shipping more as new tariffs go into play.

[torn wraith]

Yeah, specially this Holiday. Their launch year holiday is probably their biggest but there is nothing they can do. It is up to one man-child and they just have to work around it.

[proper bear]

Problem is that they're also cost spreading. 100%

Like UK and EU are covering some of the risk

[compact sable]

The part that sucks is going to be if they sell it for $449, then tariffs change around and they bump the price to $500/550. Scalpers are going to know that and hog all the supply

[manic lantern]

Personally I think $450 is reasonable with the current 10% tariffs, as an adult who saw the value in things like a steam deck and understands specs. However, from the perspective of their largest audience it's insulting to pay that much for a kids toy. Even after you grumble and buy it, the $80 per game w/ their usual dlc on top is really the core problem in the long run.

Yes the average consumer can wait but that doesn't mean the act of the pricing in the first place isn't an insult.

[leaden kiln]

I mean their yen is weak and its their home market no way they would raise the price it would be death for them

[compact sable]

I don’t really see why they have do at this point.

Sell it for what they have stated and then adjust sales prices off of that based on tariffs.

I’m also a big fan of sales items coming with MSRP and then a line item for Tariff fee like the tax it is on end users. Keeps from companies doing “cost spreading” and pocketing the profit

[proper bear]

Again. It's not just about today tho. Like if they just back to 50% in 90 days, or tomorrow, do you really think Nintendo's gonna want to do a 40% price hike before the holidays (when most families buy new consoles for their kids)?

[sudden agate]

What do you mean kids? Daddy buys daddy plays himself

[proper bear]

Because then people will be like "they're even more greedy!"

They likely hope to have sales for the holidays. Not price hikes 😆

[compact sable]

I mean… yeah lol

It’s not much different then companies raising prices on pandemic era goods and then “whoops forgot to lower them again”

[pale ivy]

At a certain point people would stop complaining Nintendo is being greedy and just not buy. We're not there though, which is why people complain

[compact sable]

When there is no accountability the consumer will always be left holding the bag

[proper bear]

To be fair the pandemic was really a unique situation. I mean this is too. But the impact was changing on a daily basis

[torn wraith]

They're defintely cost spreading. They're hoping that Tariffs cost will be spread to everyone and then, everyone will be paying for Japanese Consoles. At the end of the day, they're still making money on each console. I bet their margin on each console is same for Switch 2 vs Switch 1 when it came out (Prob even larger percentage on Switch 2)

[proper bear]

Wild to say that this is basically a market pandemic. Lol

[blazing sleet]

it is now as well due to dementia in chief

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie no way thought it would be 400

[proper bear]

I mean the hardware isn't bad at all. Without a look at their books, it's hard to say what it even costs to make at this point

[leaden kiln]

If I was nintendo I would keep the price or lower the price

Best both option

[compact sable]

Checks Cheeto business history.

Nope, not wild to say at all. Pretty much expected.

Put someone known for wrecking their car behind the wheel and it shouldn’t be shocking when they wreck.

[blazing sleet]

Just unfortunate he's gone from a car to one of those bus-size rv's

[compact sable]

With a travel trailer and boat in tow behind it

[sudden agate]

I would lower the price for every market except for US

[leaden kiln]

😏

[rapid dawn]

This would lead to stock issues in those markets

[round sparrow]

if I was Nintendo I would give me a free nintendo switch 2 and everyone else has to pay 5 gajillion for one and all that money would go to me

[uncut swallow]

https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1910267760967606531

Takashi Mochizuki (@6d6f636869) on X

NEW: Data show Nintendo allocating almost entire made-in-Vietnam game consoles to the US, which is in stark contrast with months before, as it tries to find ways to get around Trump tariff on goods from China. Story is free for a week.

https://t.co/l3Mf2cYpLX

X · Apr 10, 2025, 9:44 AM

[pale ivy]

If I was Nintendo I would be catering specifically to US and say that China doesn't even get to buy my switch 2 in the hopes it sells better to americans

Eu fans seethe

[proper bear]

I mean global production is just massively complex. By now component prices have gone up. Foxconn production prices have gone up. Logistics prices have gone up

[rapid dawn]

10% of 450 is 45 USD. So the "pause" doesn't really solve that much.

[round sparrow]

$45 is an easier loss to swallow on a unit compared to $450 or whatever

[pale ivy]

That's half a switch 2 game, I'm pretty sure they can make up the difference

[round sparrow]

I genuinely think they should pivot to a loss leader model, at least in the US

[torn wraith]

lol, you know they never will

[proper bear]

Like it's not like 10% tarrifs just means that's the only cost change for Nintendo

[pale ivy]

They're definitely making these things for less than $400, look at the Odin 2

[round sparrow]

they will if it doesn't sell, like with the 3DS

[uncut swallow]

doesnt the pause exclude china?

[torn wraith]

so.. you think Switch 2 won’t sell well?

[rapid dawn]

Nintendo are using Vietnam production for the US

[proper bear]

This is WHY every economist is like trade wars are bad. They increase the price of manu things even if not specifically targeted

[round sparrow]

sales forecast has already been slashed this year, but I don't know for sure yet

[compact sable]

It’s probably pretty close.

The display, SOC, and MicroSD Express slot are probably very expensive now and through the next few years

[rapid dawn]

The Switch 2 is unlikely to sell as much as the Switch, but I don't think that's Nintendo's intention.

[proper bear]

Like all these discussions and comparisons only work well when things are stable

[blazing sleet]

Even the controls will be more expensive than those on an odin 2

[torn wraith]

We will see but they will sell where as they won’t have to worry about slashing prices

[rapid dawn]

They can still make money from Switch game sales and NSO for a couple of years.

And they can have a less expensive Switch 2 SKU in ~2028

[proper bear]

Production planning must be a real nightmare right now.

[pale ivy]

Yeah, 1080p 120hz lcd is probably more expensive than oled on the portal

[blazing sleet]

Switch 2 will sell great this year, if there's a dip next year they can bring forward plans for the inevitable lite

[rapid dawn]

Nintendo are clearly aiming for a higher end place of the consumer base.

[round sparrow]

a lite in time for gen 10 of pokemon since a lot of kids are gonna want a switch 2 for the next pokemon game

[proper bear]

Well they are now

Heh

[leaden kiln]

You are comparing andorid device serious

[round sparrow]

it's not entirely unreasonable, they're both ARM based devices

but I think the S2's SOC is likely a lot stronger than the Odin 2

[proper bear]

Probably some android code in the OS 😆

[leaden kiln]

Way stronger

It's basically similar power to rtx 2050 and t234

[leaden kiln]

This

And the chip is not cheap at all

I'm surprised that this is 450

[round sparrow]

nintendo have the luxury of economies of scale

producing millions of these things makes it cheaper in the long run

[proper bear]

If anything they were probably planning to disrupt

Not that that'll happen now

I guess maybe when Xbox and PS5 increase in price

[leaden kiln]

Xbox would be worse

[round sparrow]

I wonder how long that'll take, since you'd have to wait for existing stock to sell out first right?

[proper bear]

Yeah. I guarantee they're considering shutting down the division at this point. Lol

[leaden kiln]

Ps5 would be bit fine since they sell refurbished models but xbox series x no chance

[round sparrow]

MS have been pivoting away from the idea that xBox is this one console that you buy to play xBox games. They're like "a phone can be an xbox too, you know"

[proper bear]

They've been stocking PS5 and Pros for a while. I imagine they'll try to hold out as long as possible

[leaden kiln]

Yh

[proper bear]

Nice to focus on selling software instead of hardware in this world

[leaden kiln]

Software wise they are very good

[round sparrow]

I think this rumoured xbox handheld is being manufactured by another company

[leaden kiln]

Asus then their own handheld by 2027 to 2028

[round sparrow]

ah yeah, I thought it was a laptop manufacturer of somekind

[blazing sleet]

if they want to keep pushing the everything is an xbox line then they might stick with the partnership route even after this first one

[leaden kiln]

They would make pc console after this gen

[round sparrow]

I wonder if they'll also start letting anyone make xBox consoles, kinda like the steam machines of yore

[leaden kiln]

Full circle for xbox really

[proper bear]

My biggest disappointment has been their studio slaying. Other than that I get everything they're doing

[round sparrow]

I just want a new banjo kazooie game from them, that's all I want

[proper bear]

Haha

A simple request

[leaden kiln]

Yh that's problem

[hushed igloo]

Or a pc can be an Xbox

[blazing sleet]

most of the gaming industry is fucking terrible with backing studios longterm, if stuff doesn't meet whatever unreasonable targets, they get binned

[compact sable]

So they can release a 5.5” 720p monster that runs everything at 120hz

[blazing sleet]

Even if they don't, they shed vast swathes of the team between projects too

[hushed igloo]

You mean a new switch lite? Lol

[leaden kiln]

Probably later on

[proper bear]

Yeah. Production companies are just as bad as MS in the long run on keeping studios alive so

Guess it's more the norm

[leaden kiln]

It's basically better to be independent this point

[blazing sleet]

would have been good if they had collapsed the range last year, drop the og switch and lite, bring out a lite+ and keep the oled until switch 2

[tidal tree]

MS bought so many gaming studios and yet i never see them producing any good game

[blazing sleet]

If you are fucked anyway, might as well do so as an indie, if you get lucky you get steam or mobile hit and are rich

[leaden kiln]

Yep

[tame roost]

AAA game dev as it currently exists is unsustainable tbh the bubble is going to burst. kinda already is

[proper bear]

Think of all they bought only like 1 game was released

[tidal tree]

that one rhytm game was really good and fun and unique, but they killed the studio afterwards

i forgot its name

[blazing sleet]

that schedule 1 guy sold 2 million copies of his game, bet he's glad he doesn't work for a big studio

[tame roost]

hifi rush

[tidal tree]

yeess this was really really good

[leaden kiln]

I can't believe they closed that studio

[heady snow]

And then they got fired. Great job Microsoft

[round sparrow]

that was the most mind scratching thing ever, why punish a studio for make a genuinely great game that people loved? this industry doesn't make sense lol

[tidal tree]

dont they also work on a new fable or so? Since how many years

[blazing sleet]

obsidian have released a few things and survived so far haven't they?

[tame roost]

yeah the new fable is allegedly coming 2026 now but we'll see lol

its from the forza horizon devs of all people too

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie I'm waiting for blade

[tidal tree]

everytime i watch a xbox showcase thing its like really cool but the games somehow never get released lmao

[proper bear]

Yeah. Kinda wild to think of all the cool games we could have gotten without profit maxing

[tidal tree]

think of all the cool rare games if they werent bought by microsoft

[heady snow]

Most do they usually just fall under the radar

[tame roost]

whens the new perfect dark coming out lmao

[leaden kiln]

Let us not cap they release it

[round sparrow]

AAA production costs have ballooned to an insane degree, and games can take upwards of 10 years to make now

[leaden kiln]

Deffo 2027

Forget that what about Blade

[tidal tree]

i want my ps2 era back where they just released mid games that were fun

[round sparrow]

saaaame

[proper bear]

Which is kinda wild considering we're peaking on graphic fidelity and most still require a day 1 patch XD

[leaden kiln]

I'm still waiting for blade to come out

[blazing sleet]

the mainstream audience doesn't help itself to be fair, they still lineup for ea sports, cod, battlefield etc like good little cash cows

[tidal tree]

cod is just a shitshow lmao

[round sparrow]

I want more modestly scaled games, like give me 20 Tokyo Jungle sized games over 1 Last of Us any day

[tidal tree]

200gb every week a 20gb patch

[proper bear]

Get your hands off my completely real CoD that makes me feel like a man!

[tidal tree]

b-but i wanna play as nicki minaj

[proper bear]

Woke!

[blazing sleet]

I don't know why but none of the "realistic" shooters have ever drawn me in

[tidal tree]

only costs $30 or so kekw

[proper bear]

(Just kidding in case anyone wonders 😆)

[leaden kiln]

Unfortunately we are not going to back that era

[open osprey]

https://youtu.be/SO3DpLfuTso

[leaden kiln]

Too many ceo doesn't understand gaming like us

[proper bear]

But I do love CoD. But it's basically a fantasy game. Should add dragons

[blazing sleet]

Shooters I am looking forward to this year are the new Doom and BL4

[odd scaffold]

I'm at work, what's the gamecube controller misinformation

[proper bear]

Any indepth analysis of actual production planning in this?

[tidal tree]

we had 3 gta games on a single console or so. they all had minor improvements and a fresh story thats all i need

i dont need physics on toes, just give me a fun game

[odd scaffold]

Indies

[tidal tree]

yea ik

[proper bear]

Which is why I like Nintendo. Gameplay is usually very solid

[open osprey]

People thought the gamecube controller will only work on GCN NSO, but that's just legal speak cause the others have worked outside of NSO

[blazing sleet]

Daft thing is that if you sell a game on the level of the gfx, those tend to be the ones that age quicker as tech advances

[odd scaffold]

It is unfortunate that true midrange development is basically gone. New Super Lucky's Tale was the last game I remember feeling similar to that

[open osprey]

The N64, SNES, and NES controllers work on switch games, so it's likely the Gamecube one will work too

[proper bear]

Makes some sense. Guaranteed to work as expected on GCN NSO. But I don't see why I couldn't use it elsewhere

[tidal tree]

retro fighters battle gc > nso controller

[leaden kiln]

Yh again we are not getting that from big studios It's rare this point and we are mainstream as well only indies can do that

[undone fox]

what did i walk into today 😄

[blazing sleet]

Musings on the state of the world and gaming

[leaden kiln]

More switch 2 and more saving the world

[proper bear]

Some of the online Nintendo greedy mob invaded for a bit. Then we moved on to game life as a whole

[heady snow]

https://tenor.com/view/jaden-smith-jaden-smith-political-economical-gif-26153980

[tidal tree]

yea its such a shame

[leaden kiln]

Jaden was ahead of his time

[undone fox]

The Nintendo is satan crowd always give me a chuckle 😄

[proper bear]

I mean it is wild some think gamers rights is the focal point of politics and economy

I think gamergate broke some people, on both sides

[round sparrow]

truly

[spice badge]

But dude I need my switch 2

[proper bear]

You'll have to talk to THE MAN about that

[blazing sleet]

Midrange pricing seems to be solely the realm of the indies and sale prices on older games

[compact sable]

Well remember the switch 2 was originally rumored to come out a few years ago so hardware progress on new models of the OG were likely killed off

[leaden kiln]

Bars

[proper bear]

I mean I'm not gonna lie. It is nice spending 5 bucks on a 3 month old PS game

[undone fox]

always entertaining reading people talk about about game discourse 😄

[proper bear]

Feel like it's kinda insulting to the devs who died making it but...

[blazing sleet]

While mean to mock, it is quite funny how fast some of the AAA drop, suicide squad dropped like a rock fired from a railgun

[round sparrow]

there's a great deal of hubris in the AAA space

[tidal tree]

just give trump a switch2 he will have some fun in his life as he can play mario golf tour on it and will drop all tariffs immediately

[blazing sleet]

sadly, it usually isn't from the devs themselves, quite often the publishers are the main ones to blame

[proper bear]

I think there's still some AAA devs that believe in their work, and want to put out a solid project. Most devs probably do. Management has other plans tho

[proper bear]

I dunno. Man was afraid to touch the inside of a Tesla. "So much computer!"

[blazing sleet]

A friend of mine used to work for Rocksteady through the Arkhams and suicide squad, he hated every time WB got involved

[spice badge]

It's funny how we thought the goal post for successful AAAs would be widening but there were so many disappointments that the decent studios have remained largely the same lol

[proper bear]

Yeah. External IP has gotta be a real bitch to deal with sometimes

[undone fox]

the correct and rational answer, sadly some of our fellow gamers view everyone as satan who deserves to be fired and shot in acid 😄

[proper bear]

More grass touching is all I can recommend

[tidal tree]

https://tenor.com/view/escalesolutions-escale-escalesolution-saranshgarg-escalesaranshgarg-gif-26504243

[blazing sleet]

In their case, I think the dev was owned by WB, so didn't even have that excuse, WB were just arses

[proper bear]

If worlds biggest issue is not enough T&A in video games, you probably can't be saved at that point

[proper bear]

Oof

[tidal tree]

AAA is lead by money hungry managment ppl

AAA back in the day was lead by gamers just having fun

https://youtu.be/FFHKEATnmB4?si=79TmL5fzoplxCywX

[proper bear]

Probably because it wasn't AAA back then. The concept didn't even exist. People just made games

I'm so happy indie scene exists

It really kept that spirit alive

[undone fox]

well, to an extent, anyway. there was always big first party stuff and many of the issues that plague todays releases were still a thing back then

im very happy we have such a big indie scene too, always my main focus when i review stuff

[proper bear]

Personally loved the switch 1 for indies. Feels better paying higher prices for them than broken pokemon at least

[compact sable]

Pro tip for anyone who wants to mod a switch, there are tons of V1s on Facebook marketplace right now

[pale ivy]

It's great that nintendo has as many indies as they do but I really think that's somewhere valve is head and shoulders above the competition

[tidal tree]

got my v1 since almost release

[proper bear]

Oh. 100%. I want a deck lite

One of the reasons I dove into android handhelds was because my deck was way overpowered for the mostly indies and streaming I played on it

[proper bear]

Launch baby. And it's a keeper

[uncut swallow]

It's kinda why I own GPD win 4 as deck is too big for my gf and she finds the size of it perfect for her

Similarly for high powered Android stuff I am fine with Odin2 but she prefers RP5

[tidal tree]

Just got my first stick drift happening unfortunately, gonna swap em for hall effect ones

[leaden kiln]

Absolutely

[proper bear]

Haha. Same actually. Wild how long it's lasted without it. Over years of production in sure there's shifts in components as well. Wonder if batches had diff success rates

[heady snow]

Idk something about playing indies on a giant pc handheld doesn't feel as good as it does on a smaller device

I've played indies on my legion go but it feels a bit overkill

[proper bear]

Def that feeling of, it just fits

[compact sable]

Same, day 1 grey

[tidal tree]

swapped mine out for some transparent shells 😄

[blazing sleet]

The size of the handheld is one thing that still makes me unsure of the switch 2 really

[proper bear]

Nice. I went with blue/red for Nintendo color nostalgia. Went grey for my oled

[proper bear]

It's gonna be big. Maybe prohibitively

[heady snow]

Watch the switch 2 lite just be the size of the switch 1

[blazing sleet]

The lack of ergo doesn't help either, the deck is a lump but the balance is good on it

[compact sable]

Yeah mine is fully transparent purple

It’s my kids now. They both have V1s modded so they can play the same game without stupid Nintendo sharing nonsense involved

[proper bear]

Dude. That's the most frustrating part

Like how to make multiplayer as complicated as possible

Like to the point people would pay full prices for games again if it behaved normal

[tidal tree]

whats complicated about it?

[proper bear]

My worst experience is animal crossing multiplayer

Only installable on one switch. One island. Additional players can't build stuff. Can do even less visiting each other's islands. Etc

[compact sable]

For anything digital, my account (owner) has to be the account used and it can be shared to my kids account on the other one.

But we have 3 Switches (5 total but two are just physical.

If I own a digital title and my kid wants to play it he has to use my account on his switch.

So I just hacked them all and loaded all my digital and physical libraries onto them

[uncut swallow]

Just buy more switches and .ore crossings

[proper bear]

But nothing will let multiple people in the same area work on the same island

[uncut swallow]

Rip

Seems like.ita by design for some reason

[proper bear]

It's also not split screen. So your stuck following around the leader, who might be 6. And is incapable of focusing on anything 😆

[tidal tree]

maybe download play on switch 2 will fix some things especially for kids 😄

[proper bear]

Like you really just need to copy Minecraft. Just do Minecraft

Lol

But yeah. They did it all on purpose like that. Dedicated reddit are full of people saying they'd gladly pay more than full cost just to get those pretty normal features in open world games

[tidal tree]

well the subreddit are always full of ppl like that, thats what a subreddit is for

[proper bear]

True

I just agree with their outrage for once XD

[leaden kiln]

https://x.com/GoNintendoTweet/status/1910227607309656073?t=QG2NQJT57X0Ctu0zA8Un3A&s=33

GoNintendoTweet (@GoNintendoTweet) on X

Securities firm believes Switch 2 costs $400 to make, Nintendo will sell at a loss https://t.co/XqYzSuU0Ta

X · Apr 10, 2025, 7:05 AM

[round sparrow]

nintendo also sold the Wii U and the 3DS (post price cut) at a loss