Switch 2

[heady snow]

It's a dual edged sword for Nintendo, their exclusives sell the system but there's also more demand compared to something like the series x

[iron apex]

I’ll pay $90 for gta 6

That’s it though

[pale ivy]

Maybe when it goes on sale

[heady snow]

$200 for the premium edition

[iron apex]

100 is fine as well

[iron apex]

I see what kind of person you are

[heady snow]

Nah

Gta ain't all that

[pale ivy]

Beautiful

[iron apex]

It probably will be ngl

GTA V was one of the most fun experiences I’ve ever had

[pale ivy]

If gta 6 doesn't cost more than Mario kart wtf is rockstar even doing?

[heady snow]

Red dead 2 was $60, we've barely even had $70 games

[iron apex]

Yeah it’ll be 100 minimum

Maybe 100 right on the nail

[wind belfry]

tell them to stop the money printer and prices may stabilize

[heady snow]

Fair enough

[wind belfry]

I'm not happy about the game prices either, but 80€ have the same purchasing power as 60€ had a few years ago basically, so blaming Nintendo for adjusting to inflation, while every other company did the same is kinda wild

The issue naturally lies in the fact, that the average Joe never got his 30% raise during this time

[heady snow]

Yeah that's the problem

[proper bear]

Basically since the 80s 😆

[pale ivy]

Stop printing money and pay everyone 30% more. Problem solved

[proper bear]

Get this man to a c-suite!

[wind belfry]

inflation curve in the US is quite fun to see, it was actually very stable before 1913, and is going wild since 1973, you may connect the dots yourself

[heady snow]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[hushed igloo]

Before 1976 the gold standard was a thing

Would probably be a nightmare if we still had that

[proper bear]

Yeah. Would have had it's own problems

[pale ivy]

Switch 2 would cost ¼oz of gold, same is it did in 1975 when the original switch was released

[proper bear]

Inflation then spiked and Reagan immediately removed all progressive taxes. Would only go downhill from there

[proper bear]

Lol

[novel crystal]

the funny thing about the gold standard is it is just another fiat currency that people just ignore

[proper bear]

It does feel that old

[novel crystal]

gold only has the value it does because people like it

[proper bear]

Tis true

[hushed igloo]

Well…yeah,most people like shiny things

[novel crystal]

gold is useful of course but those uses were found long after it was used as currency

[proper bear]

If only they were never found. Rapper bling would drive the market

[hushed igloo]

Thank god we were spared from that

[proper bear]

https://tenor.com/view/swag-gif-23409610

[novel crystal]

funny thing is before the industrial revolution aluminum was worth more then gold

[proper bear]

I got so many soda cans in the recycling bin

https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-gif-20569896

[hushed igloo]

Not all countries have bottle deposits

[novel crystal]

because before then people couldn't purify aluminum from ore so all pure aluminum was very rare finds

[proper bear]

Need a time machine and my recycling bin

[hushed igloo]

Why a Time Machine?

[proper bear]

Go back and trade some pure aluminum for some gold

[minor bay]

While quality is subjective, my two most recent day one AAA games were TOtK and SH2. Believe it or not I put more time into the latter.

What’s the tariff gonna be on an $80 physical game though? Would you recoup that selling it? These are the weird things I think about on a rainy day.

[round sparrow]

I'm not american, so who knows if it'd affect me

[proper bear]

Whatever price they announce the tarrifs would be included

[tame roost]

isnt it a multiplayer game? so that's probably not gonna be possible anyway

[hushed igloo]

People with the same interests as me are eating good this year though: a Rune Factory game and a Story of Seasons game in the same year and can be switch 2 enhanced if desired

[odd scaffold]

Fantasy Life i!!!! I don't trust the switch version to run well personally but god I hope the game itself is good

[compact sable]

So are there tariffs on digital games?

Always wondered that

[hushed igloo]

Probably not?

Seeing as how digital is being deliberately cheaper

[compact sable]

Yeah that’s my guess but I’ve got no idea

[brittle schooner]

Digital won't be affected by tariffs as i read.

[hushed igloo]

Still won’t make me change my stance: I only buy digital if physical copies don’t exist for that particular game

[wind belfry]

that's nice and all, but completely stupid that you can't dock it with the case

[hushed igloo]

(Or if they take a full year to make a physical copy of a game like Sega does for 2D Sonic)

[hushed igloo]

Is that dbrand’s case?

[wind belfry]

spigen

[hushed igloo]

Oh

Yeah,I should see who’s actually working on accessories atm

I’d assume the usuals like PDP,PowerA and HORI for certain

[proper bear]

No. But they may have increased prices on games to offset tarrifs on physical things

[proper bear]

Not directly. But likely indirectly

[hushed igloo]

Yes,I bought a microSD express card after the announcement but I’m still not big on having a large digital collection

[proper bear]

Yeah. I'm not a big fan either. But with Nintendo I rarely resell. By the time they shut down servers someone will have cracked it and I'll have permanent digital copies

That's the dream I've made it this far on at least

[hushed igloo]

I’ve only resold a switch game I bought ONCE and even then it was because I didn’t realize that things are different compared to the 3DS days

Yes,I bought a second copy of a game because I assumed that the cartridge held the save and not the console

[wind belfry]

it honestly sucks that save games aren't on the cartridge

I mean having a back-up via NSO is nice and all, but ehhh

[hushed igloo]

I make my switch stuff every save on the SD card

Even the switch 2 with it’s “who knows how much space will be available after the system takes what it needs” will be putting saves on the SD card

[hushed igloo]

Apparently with these express card the read/write speeds are comparable to an SSD with the correct style reader used

[manic lantern]

It's possible. The carts are manufactured in Japan and would have a 25% tariff. Then depending on where the packaging company is, there could be anything from 10-46%. 🤔

Limited Run packages in NC, USA. So their physical editions would likely not be affected too much.

[wind belfry]

I just want my Switch 2 now

it's btw nuts that I will have it before my Switch Lite OLED screen 😂

[hushed igloo]

Wait…wut?

How can the switch 2 beat an OLED screen

[wind belfry]

because Taiki the delayer Udon still hasn't fullfilled the pre-orders for the Super5 OLED + HDMI mega kit

[hushed igloo]

What if that isn’t his fault is the problem…

[wind belfry]

I don't give a flying fuck, don't put shit for pre-order that isn't ready to be sold

if I wouldn't have grabbed an extra Switch Lite to mod, I would be out of this mess already, but guess I will have to wait it out until 2030

[hushed igloo]

An extra? You got one already?

[wind belfry]

I have a V1 Switch, 2 OLED, 3 Lite in total

[compact sable]

People give him far too much leeway

It went from “my mod” to someone else’s problem real quick

[hushed igloo]

Holy shit,I just have an OLED and a Lite,both special editions

[zealous saffron]

Is he not letting people cancel their order?

[compact sable]

I haven’t heard about not allowing cancellations

[hushed igloo]

He isn’t allowing new orders however…

[compact sable]

I do recall initially wasn’t it no returns no cancellations once ordered?

Figured that was changed when orders started shipping.

My guess is he is figuring out that supply chains and distribution is hard lol

[hushed igloo]

I don’t mind how my Lite’s screen looks so I won’t bother with the mod

[hushed igloo]

Yeah…mine is light gray so it doesn’t really blend in with any of the furniture lol

[proper bear]

Your banana?

[hushed igloo]

My switch lite. I know people like calling the yellow one a banana @proper bear

[uncut swallow]

https://x.com/Zuby_Tech/status/1908897127335330183

@Zuby_Tech (@Zuby_Tech) on X

Nintendo Switch 2 Has MicroSD Restrictions:

"Inserting a microSD card that has been previously used on a Nintendo Switch console into a Nintendo Switch 2 console will not allow you to save or load digital games or save data."

X · Apr 6, 2025, 2:58 PM

[leaden kiln]

Did they not explained this already

[rapid dawn]

Yes but what if you want to farm engagement on your X account today?

[leaden kiln]

Deep it I know it's sony fans as well

[hushed igloo]

About that…I bought one,it’s coming in the mail tomorrow

Clearly I am also not the only one who thought ahead because the 1TB card that Lexar makes (I bought a 128 Gig SanDisk) is sold out on Amazon US

[manic lantern]

Ya, I had the 256 in the cart and checked a lil later to see it gone.

Amazon let it be backordered for 2 months before taking it off.

However, it seems that Gamestop offers pre orders for it's own in house brand for the same price as Lexar.

[untold flame]

scott is pissed at the cases

i shoulnt have sold my wii u

[manic lantern]

The cases?

[open osprey]

Game cases

[manic lantern]

You don't like red?

[brittle schooner]

I don't mind the cases , i actually think they may release some in different colors along the way like the Snes.
What bothers me are the boring joycons and we will have to live with them until some third party stuff shows up

[pine cove]

It was the right choice, the Wii u was an embarrassment

[heady snow]

Wasn't that bad, just greatly overshadowed by other consoles at the time

[south notch]

Video games have always been an expensive hobby

[heady snow]

I'd say they're relatively cheap tbh

Just so long as you don't go on a collecting rampage

[rapid dawn]

If you think Video Games got expensive, just wait till you hear about Vanilla and all the food that uses it as an ingredient.

[south notch]

saffron anyone?

[proper bear]

Ugh. Now someone tells me XD

[rapid pollen]

it's funny how people thought there was no way the Switch successor could possibly continue the pattern of every other Nintendo console flopping. It's the price.

[proper bear]

To be fair we all probably overspend

Like who doesn't have a backlog

Eh. Usually it's because Nintendo does something too strange. In this case it's really out of their hands

Maybe it's a curse

They crossed some spirit and now every other console will suffer

In the end people will hate and then Xbox and PS prices will go up and people will forget

[heady snow]

True, I've definitely went on a few game spending sprees during sales. That "it's such a good deal though" gets you good

[wind belfry]

price is fine for what it is

game prices, we will see

[rapid pollen]

game prices + memory card prices could both be problematic

and the price of the device in the US could be a gigantic problem

[glass turret]

As much as I love Nintendo's franchises, I hope the Switch 2 underperforms severely. The prices, regardless of inflation or not, is absurd.

[tawny halo]

Is the nintendo website down?

Ah no its being updated

[undone fox]

They are betting on the Stockholm syndrome of their fanbase

[latent remnant]

I think its gunna be over a year before you even see one on a shelf so im good with waiting.

scalpers already nabbing up all the SD express cards

[undone fox]

I am in no hurry. I need at least 4 exclusives I know I'll like before I consider buying

[latent remnant]

Yeah the launch lineup is pretty meh

[undone fox]

The ports are fantastic but I'm not fussed about the current exclusives

[latent vortex]

this is how i bought the og switch
i waited till there was enough games i wanted
this method saved me from buying a ps4 and ps5 too 😄

[tidal tree]

Its the literally the cheapest hobby i have, 50€ for splatoon or mariokart and you get unlimited hours of fun out of it

[wind belfry]

That's stupid, Nintendo finally sells decent hardware again and people start crying because of the price

[wind belfry]

Honestly most people should do fine with a 256gb card, those ain't cheap but we who would want a 2tb one at best are the outliers

Game prices are indeed a bit high, but we will see how the retail market reacts... so far I haven't seen any attempts to sell above the digital prices

[wind belfry]

That's a US problem, we pay 20% tax in the EU too... 46-53% is naturally steep but not Nintendos fault

[glass turret]

I don't think it's stupid at all. The grand assumption that the price is justified because it's a more powerful device compared to the Switch 2. But that has never always been the case with tech. As far as I'm concerned, the manufacturing costs could possibly be the same as or slightly more than when the first Switch came out, and they've only priced the Switch 2 as such to normalise said pricing while increasing profit margins.

So many companies do that; justify absurd price increases by using inflation as an excuse.

[rapid dawn]

Tech upgrades have actually been getting more expensive. Specially GPUs, which makes basically 70% of the switch 2's hardware. If you compare the price of a mid range GPU in 2017 versus 2025, you'll feel the pain.

The switch 2 is not just more powerful than the switch 1. The games, res and FPS it can play makes it a competitive alternative to devices that are at least 500.

Then there's the Tariffs. Everyone knew they were coming, so it makes sense Nintendo factored that into the 450. They even made sure to move production out of China, which wasn't cheap. Unfortunately, underestimated just how bad the tariffs would get. IMO they made a mistake moving out of China. Vietnam Tariffs ended up just as bad.

[tidal tree]

Console Price is really fair could be a bit less like 10-20€, im just really excited about the new US news when they get a new price or so

[iron apex]

Console price is fine, just want games to be 60-70€ instead of 80-90€

Unless it’s something really big like GTA VI or Elden Ring with DLCs included

[iron apex]

Yeah that tegra chip wasn’t even that expensive iirc

[tidal tree]

what tegra chip?

[iron apex]

Custom designed NVIDIA tegra 239 apu

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie it kinda does like it's hybrid handheld that support physical media

[leaden kiln]

Is it not downlocking rtx 2050

[iron apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237840124457259180/1327000227412180992/image0.gif

[leaden kiln]

That's expensive ain't cheap to get that one

[limber fog]

and then sega completely cratered the whole thing after mania plus

instead of making mania 2

they had them work on the origins collection with limited time

in order to release it alongside movie 2

then sega tried to do their own mania style game in the form of superstars

while whitehead's company made penny's big breakaway

a game that completely flopped

[proper bear]

I mean. $350/400 for switch 2 is a pretty reasonable price for the hardware. Not sure why that's an absurd price

[manic lantern]

You are thinking from the perspective of an adult who wants an upgrade. The hardware itself is worth it, yes. The problem is that you, as well as the loud "I want Switch Pro!" people are also a minority. You got to remember to put yourself into the position of the average user.

So imagine you are Bobby Joe from West Virginia. You got 2 kids, work a regular 9 - 5 job that pays like crap. You aren't gonna lay down $900 for two consoles that the kids are gonna crack in the back yard.

Then they say you gotta pay $80 per game, when we just got to $70 and it was hard enough to pay for on their birthday.

[tidal tree]

as regular joe you wont get a console at release nor buy the newest shit for 70-80$. You buy when the consoles is a few years old or buy a lite variant for your kids

even right now you can buy older games for 40-50€ even mario and zelda titles

[manic lantern]

Yes, but how many years did that take?

You got your two kids begging for a switch 2 because their friend at school has one.

Game might go on sale for $10-15 off within the first 2 years.

[tawny halo]

Saw this on a local Uk deals app. Gotta love to see it. For those unaware Switch 2 preorders have been open a week already in UK

[leaden kiln]

Lmaooooooooo

[tawny halo]

Dude now banned from that currys 🤣

[leaden kiln]

How greedy

[glossy comet]

Good

[tidal tree]

then they play it for a few times at their friends house and you buy them a console a few years later. I also never got the newest and hottest shit when i was younger

[manic lantern]

Ya, but Nintendo can't live on 2nd hand sales.

[leaden kiln]

It never like that especially we was a kid

[manic lantern]

You just described a situation where the console sits on the shelf and never gets sold as brand new past the initial minority. This is the problem.

[leaden kiln]

Plus it's not like switch lite is not outdated

[manic lantern]

I don't think they are gonna reduce the price up front but I do feel they are going to pull a 3DS again.

Does anyone here actually want Mario Kart World?

[leaden kiln]

I like it I want it but do I really want it now properly later on

I haven't touched all switch exclusives

[rapid pollen]

most definitely

[tidal tree]

games and consoles get cheaper when on a shelf too

[rapid pollen]

I never got to play MK8D with my friends, very much would like to play MKW with them

[glossy comet]

I'm pretty much waiting on other friends to pull the trigger on Mario kart, I'm not really the type to play it on my own

[manic lantern]

We have Mario Kart 8 but my kids never really liked it. They would rather play Smash.

[rapid pollen]

played a lot of smash with my friends, it gets old after a while once a pecking order is established

[manic lantern]

Well the way they play is they set up different scenario's with different characters. Plus it has that semi rpg mode that my son played through like 5 times.

[rapid pollen]

nice

[glossy comet]

Yeah I get that, Mario kart's pretty much the only game where everyones equal

[manic lantern]

Just trying to figure out how Mario Kart 8 Deluxe got to be the best seller on Switch.

I know they had bundles but it had to be popular before the bundles.

[glossy comet]

It's Mario kart

[manic lantern]

Ya but I don't know any kids that like Mario Kart. lol

[rapid pollen]

accessible recognizable multiplayer game on handheld works

MK7 was the best selling 3DS game too

[manic lantern]

My kid's friends don't play Mario Kart. They wanna play Smash too.

You know the funny thing is that many of them have the switch that came w/ the Mario Kart you get at Christmas but they don't play the game.

[open osprey]

Yes

[manic lantern]

Like my Nephew.

[rapid pollen]

if it wasn't for Wii Sports, MK Wii would've been the best selling game for that console too lmao

Mario Kart is literally just Nintendo's most popular game franchise

[open osprey]

I see a lot of teens and adults playing Mario Kart, but Kids are a harder sell cause they want that immediately action and gratification soon which Smash does give

At least nowadays

[manic lantern]

I'd honestly have to wonder if it sells around the same as Smash and Mario main games but it has inflated sales numbers from bundles. 🤔

[odd scaffold]

I want it real fucking bad I think it looks super fun, driving around an open world is always a nice experience and I've been wanting a Mario Kart with a decent singleplayer offering for ages

[open osprey]

Also Good on them, fuck that guy xDD

[elfin bronze]

I wish there were more first party games announced for the year. the only one i'm intersted in is donkey kong

[rapid pollen]

DK Bananza looks so good

[wind belfry]

Mario Kart is nice, bit bummed we ain't getting a new Double Dash, but otherwise it looks fun

[manic lantern]

Yes, Donkey Kong looked really good.

[open osprey]

I won't be surprised if there are more first party games being made, but probably won't release until like

Late 2025

Early to mid 2026

[wind belfry]

MK World, DK Bananza, MP Beyond is a solid line-up tho

[open osprey]

OH DEFINITELY

Three major heavy hitters out the gate no question

[wind belfry]

that's more exklusives than Sony and Microsoft have combined

[manic lantern]

Well I'm not counting MP Beyond as a Switch 2 title. It looks really good on base Switch.

[wind belfry]

According to people who had a hands on experience it's quite a leap tho

Like low vs max settings

[open osprey]

Any nintendo systems would KILL to have a mainline Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, and Metroid Prime as Day 1/Early lineup games

[wind belfry]

Also being able to aim with the mouse on the fly is nice

[open osprey]

Been hearing from those who played it that it's surprisingly intuitive

Which is cool to hear

[clever geyser]

It’s a mouse

[odd scaffold]

Bro, mouse aiming + analogue controls is a gamechanger and I really hope this makes it more of a common thing

[open osprey]

It's also Nintendo

[manic lantern]

The mouse mode was a good idea though. Makes FPS games a lot more viable on the system.

[odd scaffold]

Though I also hoped the switch 1 would make split controller gaming more common and it didn't really so uh yeah uh yeah

[open osprey]

They could've made it hot garbage

[manic lantern]

All they had to do was put in the parts of a cheap optical mouse you find at the dollar store.

[open osprey]

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a bit of a push by some of the FPS devs (coughcoughmircosoftcoughcough)

[manic lantern]

Master Chief Collection that is rumored?

[clever geyser]

Hopefully it will get some good fps and strategy games that support it

[manic lantern]

Expose Master Chief to a whole new group of kids.

[rapid pollen]

everything is rumored at this point

Switch 2 is powerful enough to run literally any game you can think of

[manic lantern]

Skyrim, Switch 2 Enhanced version!

[rapid pollen]

would fully expect that

[manic lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/twurl-twirl-skyrim-gif-21515489

[open osprey]

Gimme more point and click or Puzzle games that use the mouse

[manic lantern]

Return of the RTS perhaps?

I know mech games have started gaining some ground again in popularity.

[odd scaffold]

ZAK AND WIKI 2

[clever geyser]

Switch loves to remaster… all the total war games plz

[south notch]

Dawn of war mega battle chest with all three games and expansions

[leaden kiln]

It's mario kart

[rapid pollen]

Mario Picross on Switch 2 👀

Mario PAINT on Switch 2 😮

[open osprey]

NOW YOUR TALKIN

[glossy comet]

Didn't even think of that that's brilliant

[open osprey]

OOOO

They could actually port/remaster alot of old DS or Wii games that required alot of touch or pointer inputs this way

[rapid pollen]

Wii games were already game since joycons have motion controls

[glossy comet]

I'm assuming if and when they add DS and wii to the online that that'll be what causes the price to increase

[open osprey]

All the professor laytons, a new version of Warioware DYI, of course the older Sim City games, stuff like that

[manic lantern]

I could never get into Mario Kart but when the PSX came around I loved stuff like Twisted Metal II, Vigilante 8 and Rogue Trip.

[leaden kiln]

Same here until mario kart wii bad boy game man wii days was fun

[manic lantern]

Oh prior to that I liked Road Rash.

[elfin bronze]

For you guys with pc handheld do you feel buying the switch is less appealing? Because most third party games are now playable on your portable

[odd scaffold]

I certainly do prefer to play games on my steam deck if possible, mainly because of performance issues

But docking is so much more convenient and easy on the switch! The deck never really figured out a smooth solution for docking to a tv imo, like it works but it's a much bigger pain in the ass than on Switch

[manic lantern]

Are you referring to the base Switch or Switch 2?

[glass turret]

I think that's wildly overpriced for the everyday person/family, especially in this economy.. The everyday person/family being the target demographic for most, if not all Nintendo's past hardware. The Switch 2's pricing and positioning feels like they're only caring about gamers with slightly deeper pockets.

[leaden kiln]

I wouldn't say everyday person but family overall yes

Kids 50/59

Most times kids are on ps5 or pc or switch

[manic lantern]

I'm surprised how many kids play Fortnite on Switch. My son deals with it somehow but performance mode blob graphics at 20-25 fps is a form of torture.

[glass turret]

Out of those three, the Switch was the budget-friendly option. Can't say that about the Switch 2 IMHO.

[glass turret]

Fortnite and Minecraft!

[manic lantern]

Minecraft is different. It looks fine on Switch.

[leaden kiln]

Of course but hell I'm surprised no one would take advantage of xbox series s as a budget console

But again no likes xbox

[manic lantern]

No one wants the series s. Devs don't even want the series s to exist.

[glass turret]

Switch is cheaper than the Xbox Series S here in Australia.

[leaden kiln]

Which it's shame because xbox series s is really cool console overall

[leaden kiln]

Than Xbox series s

It's not the same here in uk

[undone fox]

damn, lot of barkin in here today 😄

[manic lantern]

Budget concious consumers that would want such a product need a disc drive. You end up paying more in the long run than the Series X and your games look worse.

[leaden kiln]

My problem is it's true but not true because most times xbox games on sale secondly since 2022 I haven't seen xbox series x go on sale since

[elfin bronze]

Series s is gamepass machine

[leaden kiln]

I don't even use gamepass I like play games and if I finish the game I just uninstall it

[glossy comet]

Exactly my use case , already have a big backlog of games from the last two generations and have a game pass subscription for my nephew

[manic lantern]

If Microsoft keeps removing good third party titles and replacing it with their mid portfolio from unexperienced devs, then a gamepass machine is going to start looking a lot less appealing.

Aside from Starfield. That wasn't unexperienced devs and instead Todd Howard being blinding by The Vision™.

[glossy comet]

Starfield was very underwhelming to me, tried it on xcloud for a bit and I just got annoyed by constantly having to go into menus to change locations

[leaden kiln]

It's actually frustrating that xbox games look better on paper but in real life doesn't match the quality

It's more quantity

Only few games actually good but doesn't help the case as well

Xbox does everything right just the first party games

[undone fox]

ahhhh starfield 😄

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie when I saw the gameplay from 2023 I knew yh long day for xbox

[undone fox]

i weirdly enjoy it but god the design choices

[round sparrow]

starfield's biggest crime, imo, was being uninteresting

[leaden kiln]

That game and redfall dark days for xbox in 2023

[leaden kiln]

That's it it's so uninteresting

[round sparrow]

the writing was bland, the characters were forgettable

[manic lantern]

Starfield is the most mid game that ever mid.

[leaden kiln]

Sony is so lucky they got thrid party games and their exclusive games saved them overall

[round sparrow]

it's the prime example of a 5/10 game

[leaden kiln]

Mid 5/10 top 10 for me

[open osprey]

PS5 still got no games

[manic lantern]

No you can't do that. Reviewers aren't allowed to describe mid games in the middle of the ratings. It has to be an ign 7.

[round sparrow]

them's fighting words ||and you're also correct||

[glossy comet]

It's got Spider-Man or it had up until a few months ago

[leaden kiln]

True but people like sony and unlike xbox sony delivered most of times but honestly this is disappointing gen for playstation

[round sparrow]

sony keep putting their games on PC, meaning I have no reason to get a PS5, which is kind of them I guess

[leaden kiln]

Mostly because of Jim Ryan

And his stupid live services nonsense

Sony and live services never works in the first place

[round sparrow]

I wish there was a bigger variety in sony games, I don't care for cinematic action games

[leaden kiln]

Too much cinematic action games and it's not interesting to play doesn't spark on old playstation tricks

[manic lantern]

Sony has some decent titles but the biggest draw of their consoles has always been third party titles that are exclusive.

Which.. They don't have anymore.

[leaden kiln]

Yes 100%

[manic lantern]

Microsoft on the other hand owns various IP's that can take some serious market share but the devs behind it don't know wtf they are doing.

Why is the new Fable game being worked on by the studio that does Forza?

[undone fox]

[leaden kiln]

Fable look cool but again

[untold flame]

Y'all are just weak

[manic lantern]

This is likely true to some extent. I believe what blocks me from ever finishing the backlog is a combination of changed tastes and YouTube brain rot.

[untold flame]

Steam backlog or handheld backlog?

[manic lantern]

Both.

[untold flame]

Steam backlog is acceptable

The sales are just so tempting

Payday 2 for 2 dollars that you'll never play?

Yes!

But handheld backlog is just you being weak

[leaden kiln]

The sales is too tempting

[manic lantern]

Fanatical gambling anyone?

[leaden kiln]

If I speak 😭

Humble bundle got me good ass deal

[manic lantern]

25 Mystery Keys for $15.99!

[untold flame]

I just can't honestly

I don't even buy free epic games if theyre bad

I can't stand the thought of buying something that's bad

Id rather make an educated purchase on sale

I feel like a hawk

[proper bear]

This tbh. I'm not the average joe. And neither are these people complaining. The average joe (most of who I work with) don't even realize the switch 2 was announced XD

[untold flame]

Swooping down and catching the big deal

Battlefield 1 for 2 dollars

Or rimworld for 140

[proper bear]

The average joe also buys them on black Friday at target for bogo

[manic lantern]

I've just given up on getting Rimworld for a decent price.

I'll just never play it.

[proper bear]

Like we are not average people. We should know better

[manic lantern]

We are close to a bunch of addicts than average people. 😛

Chasing the dragon.

[proper bear]

Amen. Lol

[glossy comet]

With the rising prices some of us are going to start getting withdrawal symptoms

[manic lantern]

Well maybe it will make us finally get to our backlog?

[wind belfry]

we at least getting CIV

[manic lantern]

My doctor tells me it's buggy af.

[undone fox]

i thought that too at first. Here i am 700 hours later 😄

[manic lantern]

If they do a Rimworld 2 and fix those crap movement animations we can talk. It's just like Dwarf Fortress. Not having actual animation frames for movement triggers my OCD badly.

[proper bear]

People also seem to be forgetting that $450 probably wasn't the original price of the system also. I know it's only been 3 months but we already had tarrifs from the last term, and a whole set of new ones at the beginning of the year on top of those

I weep to think what it could have been

The first inkling of this could have been the PS5 Pro prices honestly

[manic lantern]

I don't know. That doesn't explain the Japan cost vs Europe/UK.

[proper bear]

Sure it does. Margin spreading

[round sparrow]

chip prices in general have gone up because of the AI boom

[manic lantern]

This chip is made on an old node though.

[proper bear]

You don't just raise the prices on a country by country basis. Especially when the country with the new highest taxes is your biggest seller. You make people in Europe pay $50 extra to cover some of the loss you take in the US

[rapid dawn]

the US is too big of a market

[proper bear]

These are like maybe econ 102 lessons.

[rapid dawn]

If you sell too cheap elsewhere, that's just an invitation for smugglers to make a profit

[proper bear]

Not intro class stuff. But super common

[proper bear]

Or to massively upset your biggest market. You bring the prices closer together. Some up and some down

[stark flicker]

AHAHAHAHA
https://bsky.app/profile/wario64.bsky.social/post/3lma2moz3tu2h

Wario64 (@wario64.bsky.social)

Switch 2 Joy-Con Will Not Feature Hall Effect Sticks www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/04...

"Joy-Con 2's controllers have been designed from the ground up. They're not Hall Effect sticks, but they feel really good."

Bluesky · Apr 7, 2025, 1:23 PM

[proper bear]

That's why anyone who laughs at the US thinking their trade war will only affect them is kind of kidding themselves. It raises the price for everyone because it is such a large market

So I'm sorry. We're fucking everyone

[compact sable]

I wonder if it’ll even be possible tbh. Those magnets holding the controller in might really mess with the fields

[proper bear]

Could have went with the new tech maybe? Forget what it's called

[rapid dawn]

Yeah it appeared in one of Russ' recent reviews

[stark flicker]

TMR? that involved magnets too

[proper bear]

Lower power draw. Might be good for joycons

[rapid dawn]

It could also be another similar magnetic tech from nintendo

He only said they are not hall effect, not that it's not magnetic.

[proper bear]

Yeah. Sorry. I didn't mean to solve the magnet issue. I just meant just cause they're not hall doesn't mean they're not TMR

A lot of people don't even know what TMR looks like

[manic lantern]

Well they probably fixed the joycon early drift flaws but being regular sticks means they start screwing up in a few years so you can pay $90 for more.

[rapid dawn]

He never said they are regular sticks.

[proper bear]

I'll wait til someone does a proper teardown before making assumptions

[rapid dawn]

I'd say it's extremely unlikely they didn't redesign the sticks to specifically target the drift issue. But at the same time they can't say anything about drift too loud because they don't want you to remember it.

[proper bear]

Even with magnetic interference, you still tune them. And any interference can be compensated. Especially when it comes to magnets

[heady snow]

Planned obsolescence anyone

[rapid dawn]

lol

[proper bear]

At that point it's just modifying how the sensor views the field. But that said, it might not even be an issue. We're just guessing til someone pulls it apart

If they did something custom because of them and it is TMR, it still makes replacement difficult tho

[manic lantern]

If these joycons drift Australia Govt is gonna sue Nintendo. 😛

[rapid dawn]

Also, they glide very smoothly, so we've taken to calling them 'smooth-gliding sticks'.
They are not joycon sticks.

[proper bear]

Mans a lyrical genius

"they rotate and move so we called them 'rotato-moveo sticks'"

[compact sable]

Yeah they look a lot larger with a lot larger range of motion

It’s disappointing for sure if they aren’t Halls but there could be a valid reason for the non-usage so I’ll reserve judgement

[wind belfry]

Sony is selling replacement sticks for their Dualsense Edge... why would anyone expect Nintendo to switch to sticks that are better?

one of the first listings on Amazon.de aside from the console itself where the new Joy-Con

Left and Right sold separately

so you can replace them at your own convenience

[compact sable]

For $20 a piece which is just nutty

[leaden kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/really-are-you-kidding-me-got-to-be-kidding-youre-kidding-me-seriously-gif-6521278384595665157

[proper bear]

Yeah. It's something Nintendo would do. That's a valid complaint

[rapid dawn]

Personally, I was disappointed in the new joycosn the instant I saw they weren't going to give them a real d-pad. Don't really care about sticks. But I'd say that if Nintendo designed their own joystick tech it's most likely specifically to deal with the drift issue on their own.

[wind belfry]

personally I haven't even killed my N64 sticks, so I don't care too much

[proper bear]

I mean hall aren't perfect. But they're pretty good for that

[compact sable]

It’s also why third party exists.

But for Nintendo it’s more important that the controllers work better as a individual controller then having a dpad which makes ABXY input wonky

[proper bear]

That said my joycons never drifted either. Still have the of launch ones

[leaden kiln]

But if they can fix the movement and stuff then I'm okay with that

[proper bear]

Yeah. Unless they introduced even more drift

[sudden agate]

I replaced so many joycon sticks that I am super efficient at it now

[rapid dawn]

My only joycon that drifted was the one that came with my V1 Switch, which is most likely one of the very first waves.

[proper bear]

In a neutral state every character only runs right. It's up to the player to figure out how to actually go left

[compact sable]

I’ve replaced like 6 sticks over the course of the years between all our consoles.

Honestly it’s just maintenance at this point. At least it’s cheap and easy

[rapid dawn]

I think I opened a joycon around 6 times in total. All of them to do the dpad mod.

[wind belfry]

I never opened a joy-con

but I barely used them in the first place

will be interesting to see what 3rd parties will cook for the Switch 2

the usual bulkier ones wouldn't be great for mouse mode

[round sparrow]

I'm curious how mouse mode will feel, everyone who has tried it has said they liked it so far

I even took a switch 1 joycon and put on my desk in "mouse mode" to get an idea and I can maybe see it working

[compact sable]

Hori or someone will make a cover that’ll make it feel more like a real mouse. Then it might be alright

[proper bear]

Well was. Now in June it'll be a $50 fee on top of the price

Hopefully they saw Elysium one too many times, and were like, we need our own billionaire space station, and a mechanic working on it will change the directory just slightly to launch it into the sun

Cause you know the taxes are going to something like that

[tidal tree]

yea my gf thinks the switch 1 is 3-4 years old, "why are they already making a new one"

[uncut swallow]

drifting is back

https://www.rxddit.com/r/MoeMorphism/comments/svjkcg/switchchans_drift/

[proper bear]

Either that or it's a commentary on your spending habits 😆

[round sparrow]

meanwhile I was watching that switch 1 direct from march thinking "dear god, please put the switch 1 out of its misery"

[proper bear]

"didn't you just buy 5 of these yesterday?"

[round sparrow]

"this one's different, it's a nintendo this time!"

I say as I play mainly nintendo games on my other devices

[proper bear]

Haha. Shocked we don't have an official script

Ok. She said "how much does this one cost?", let's see. Turn to page 4. "I sold a bunch last week to pay for it". *Note: hide 3 random consoles in closet for 2 weeks, shoebox marked B

[round sparrow]

I only have three of these retro handhelds myself, actually

I got the original RG35xx, I got the 35xx H and 34xx

the only other handheld I'd consider getting at this point would be an android device of some kind, but I'm currently about to spend £400 on a switch 2 so I don't think so anytime soon lol

[tidal tree]

Nah i never have problems with that

„It’s your money“

[leaden kiln]

You know what I don't blame her I only know about switch around 2022 most time

[proper bear]

Yeah. Guess that changed for me with marriage 😆

I don't fight it. Motivates me to get rid of stuff I never touch anyway

[uncut swallow]

https://x.com/InsiderGamingIG/status/1909248195135254978

Insider Gaming (@InsiderGamingIG) on X

Nintendo Switch 2 Won't Have Achievements

https://t.co/38lVcJ1Tbi

X · Apr 7, 2025, 2:13 PM

[round sparrow]

not surprising

[leaden kiln]

Shame but I understand

[uncut swallow]

i guess some games will have it in the app they have shown

[leaden kiln]

https://x.com/IGN/status/1909232463060008970?t=BUIgcerDlATImsU4iZ8rLQ&s=33

IGN (@IGN) on X

IGN can now confirm that Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour costs $9.99 and is a digital-only product. https://t.co/nbMAjtMvL4

X · Apr 7, 2025, 1:11 PM

[heady snow]

It's because of the tariffs I swear

[leaden kiln]

So it's 7 pounds okay I can spend 7 pounds on different game

[round sparrow]

it's cheap enough that I'm wondering why they don't just pack it in with the console

genuinely a baffling move to charge for an interactive manual

[heady snow]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[hushed igloo]

People have been saying welcome tour looks more like a manual than a game lol

[heady snow]

Ig that $10 can add up, or at least maybe they want it to

[round sparrow]

this is the same company that packed wii sports in with their consoles

I genuinely hope it sells so terribly because I don't think anyone should buy this

just out of principle

this is a console tutorial that they're selling lol

[heady snow]

It's like if they make you pay for a map at an amusement park

[hushed igloo]

Wasn’t Iwata in charge back in the Wii days? Because he had quite a different philosophy than current Nintendo

[round sparrow]

yeah iwata would have definitely pushed for this to be included with the console

[leaden kiln]

Yes Iwata shout out to him

I didn't know he was the one who pushed nintendo to put wii sports including the console so grateful for that

[glacial oyster]

Reggie actually was the one who pushed for the Wii Sports inclusion afaik

[round sparrow]

even the wii u had nintendo land, at least with the 32gb version of the console

[glacial oyster]

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2022/05/reggie-had-to-fight-for-wii-sports-as-a-pack-in-and-miyamoto-wasnt-happy

[hushed igloo]

Well…Reggie resigned

[leaden kiln]

Ohhhh reggie

That lowcut guy

[heady snow]

Further proof that Reggie is and always will be the goat

[hushed igloo]

Yet he decided to leave the company

[round sparrow]

I miss reggie, too

[glacial oyster]

The interesting part is Miyamoto is apparently against the idea of giving free games as a matter of principle

[leaden kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/reggie-fils-aime-puppet-president-and-coo-nintendo-of-america-gif-27217009

[leaden kiln]

I mean I understand why

[round sparrow]

that's the thing, I don't even think this switch 2 welcome tour even qualifies as a proper game, it's more of a tech demo

[glacial oyster]

The mini games have " real depth" accorindg to Doug Bowser

[hushed igloo]

That’s what nearly every ytuber has been saying

[heady snow]

It just seems so petty, like sure $10 isn't a lot but yeah why would I pay for this. They really have to nickel and dime us after we already bought the brand new console?

[leaden kiln]

I would charge it at least 2 pounds or 3

[high barn]

Yeah, but Reggie was the one who pushed for Wii Sports to be the pack-in.

[glacial oyster]

launch, people tend to buy anything available

1-2 Switch sold a ton and that was full price

[leaden kiln]

True

You ain't wrong very surprised

[hushed igloo]

Ironically I deliberately bought my Wii used because I didn’t want Wii Sports

[round sparrow]

you missed out

[high barn]

From what they’re saying in some interviews, the reason it isn’t free is directly because it is a game and not just a tech demo, but that it’s also not on the same scale as something like Wii Sports.

[leaden kiln]

You missed out big time

[hushed igloo]

Not really: not a fan of sports games

[round sparrow]

me neither, but wii sports rules regardless

[high barn]

Whether other people, especially paying customers, will agree with it being more than that or not remains to be seen.

[compact sable]

Honestly, people can point at the price. Then they can point at the game prices, accessory prices, C button requiring a subscription etc etc.

But more than anything, this stupid game is the smoking gun for saying Nintendo has lost its way. This isn’t the same group who launched the Switch 1, which shouldn’t be too surprising since a lot of the execs have moved on.

It’s sad though to see it being run more and more by bean counters

[high barn]

…Yeah, I don’t know about that, considering this is unironically a much more worthwhile console than what the Switch 1 was. Especially since the main thing that’s more annoying is the game prices.

[leaden kiln]

I mean

[high barn]

Like, you could unironically make this argument about them “losing their way” with the Switch 1 way more than you can with the Switch 2.

[hushed igloo]

You mean because 1-2 switch is more than welcome tour?

[compact sable]

You don’t need more, you need enough. And the Switch 1 was enough that it has lasted 8 years and is still a highly used console.

[leaden kiln]

I disagree

It never enough

[high barn]

Yeah, and meanwhile we could easily see the exact same thing with the Switch 2, especially with way more third parties supporting the thing since it’s apparently outright easier to develop for.

[compact sable]

There are 129 Million reasons why you might be wrong about that though

[heady snow]

In a vacuum sure, but at the time of release the switch was pretty much the only commercial available device that could be used at home or as a handheld. You can't say the same about the switch 2

[compact sable]

https://x.com/geoffkeighley/status/1909256282156265794?s=46

Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley) on X

Impressive stat: Last year 129 million Nintendo Switch consoles were still active out of the 150M units sold to date.

(Source: CNBC interview with Doug Bowser).

X · Apr 7, 2025, 2:45 PM

[leaden kiln]

We need more

[leaden kiln]

Damn actually I changed my mind we Don't need more

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[high barn]

You mean them making the strongest handheld of “that specific time only” and making it capable of tv-output?

[heady snow]

That remains to be seen, cyberpunk and elden ring performance doesn't seem all that good

[leaden kiln]

Really

[high barn]

I’m talking about the Switch 1.

[heady snow]

Very much doubt it will beat out the beefier pc handhelds

[hushed igloo]

Idk…a lot of people who buy PC handhelds don’t even take them out of their houses

[high barn]

You remember them directly saying the Cyberpunk demo was based on a significantly older build right?

[leaden kiln]

People said cyberpunk look better on switch 2 than steam deck

Even street fighter 6

[heady snow]

People say stuff like that all the time, doesn't guarantee the end result will be that much better, maybe slightly

[high barn]

Even the demo shown was already better, given it was around on par in performance with Steam Deck despite running at a higher resolution even in the demo.

[heady snow]

Nintendo would be losing a crap ton of money on this hardware if it was better than something like the MSI claw 8 or the Hx 370 handhelds

[high barn]

It does when it’s the third party dev themselves is saying it, and that “it will perform much more smoothly for retail” (since you know, them not doing that would actively count as false advertising and therefore should be taken seriously?)

[compact sable]

Wait for Digital Foundry to tear it apart. It’s a ported build, there are likely a lot of physics and other elements that might have just been totally ripped out or didn’t make the cut for the Switch version

[high barn]

Sure, and I’ll also wait until that video to actually start shitting on it, since as-is even the less stable stuff we’ve seen actively shows it being better.

[proper bear]

I mean to be fair, easiest way to improve performance is just to reduce textures and crap

Draw distance

[leaden kiln]

Its fully physical cartridge full compete edition we are not in gamecube days

[heady snow]

Yes, companies never mislead the consumers ever, so long as it's somewhat better they can't be accused of lying, because it's all subjective. Mhwilds beta was an older build, and although the release performs better it's not that much better. I'll believe it when I see it

[compact sable]

The issue is Cyberpunk is a more than 64GB on PC, so some stuff is missing or cut down already

[high barn]

Yeah, they don’t lie because they can be screwed over on a legal scale if they do and no company willingly risks that. Hence why they say half truths usually like what Capcom did.

CD Projekt Red straight up promised that it will be able to run smoothly in 40fps at 1080p on Docked Performance Mode (with the only fine print being that “it can drop to lower numbers if it’s in any specifically intensive situations”, which is the exact same as the Steam Deck, which does that at 720p). They literally just said an exact number that people can call out and say is a lie if it doesn’t happen, even saying the exact conditions people can test it on.

[leaden kiln]

We can't compare Pc to console optimization size its reason why nintendo including game key card secondly this device got 12gb ram already more than xbox series s

And knowing third party devs would optimization the shit more on console than pc

Again we are in not gamecube era

[compact sable]

I agree. But we also can’t assume that everything is the same visually and within the game when all that’s been done is demos on an old build.

Pixel peepers need to get ahold of final copies and actually see where changes were made in terms of draw distances, elements on the display etc

[high barn]

…You do know that there’s such a thing as game optimization right? Like, assuming the game is using dlss for higher than 1080p, they could outright just be ditching the native textures higher than what the game can support on the device since “it isn’t needed anyways and is just bloating the storage more than it needs to”.

[compact sable]

100%

But we don’t know.

So we also can’t say “it’s at 1080p on Switch and 720p on Deck so switch is better” because there are just too many unknowns

[leaden kiln]

The specs shown that we have ps4 in handheld mode and docked mode in better than ps4 pro performance

[compact sable]

I saw 3.9Tflops (bad judge of power but either way) which makes it on par with the Ally and Xbox Series S

[leaden kiln]

Yes

In docked mode

Steam deck is 1.6 or 1.7 which its par on par with ps4 but bit worse gpu

[high barn]

I swear to Christ, I get people are just trying to not get their hopes up, but there’s a difference between “not getting your hopes up” and “literally just being flat out unwilling to accept the idea that this port unironically looks impressive on a technical level, since you feel the need to give more reason to not liking the prices, even though price alone is already a good reason to not want to get something”.

[rapid dawn]

It's nothing new really

[eager vessel]

i don't get the preorder thing, like, I know it's April 9th outside of the US, but what time :S lol

[rapid dawn]

you should have seen youtube in 2017

The Switch 1 was going to flop completely because you can't charge joycons while playing in docked mode.

[compact sable]

When Phawx and DF get models hands on we will be able to properly gauge the performance level.

This is not a whole lot different then when the 5070 launched with “4090 Performance” and a lot of people actually bought into it

[heady snow]

I think it's very impressive for an arm handheld to be running at such a low power draw and playing these big games, but I don't think it's going to outperform most current pc handhelds. That's my main point really

[rapid dawn]

No 4K. Too small storage

[wind belfry]

what, WHAT, the SoC is from 2014 and the console from 2017, the thing is ANCIENT

[rapid dawn]

Why make it a hybrid when we wanted a console!!

[leaden kiln]

Nah phawx already confirmed it and df was the one who said it was t239 back In 2023

That's why I'm not worried about it

[compact sable]

Yeah I never said it wasn’t impressive. Nvidia ARM chips have always been magic in an SOC form.

My assumption is that it’s going to fall between an Ally and Deck in most scenarios

[rapid dawn]

NO MARIO GAME ON LAUNCH!!!!!!!!?????????

[high barn]

You can outright say “wow, if this is running as well as it’s shown, it’s actually looking to be great”.

There’s no need to interject with a counterpoint that you yourself don’t even know is true.

[high barn]

Fair enough, hence why I’m still not pre-ordering it until we see reviewers playing the actual console and stress testing it, even if I’m still recognizing that it’s genuinely looking to be potentially remarkable.

[high barn]

It honestly doesn’t even have to be better than handheld pc’s like the Ally or Legion Go, it just has to outperform the Steam Deck to be unironically impressive and potentially worth the price to me.

[heady snow]

Yeah I can agree with that

[compact sable]

I’ll be ordering regardless because it’s what I do. But I’m going on with a healthy dose of skepticism.

The Switch 2 will never replace a handheld PC for me just due to any sort of (3rd party) back catalog and Nintendo locking down local streaming, but having more power to play Zelda I am all here for.

[leaden kiln]

That's fine having both make sense

[compact sable]

What’s interesting is the lack of COD announced considering Microsoft made a big deal about it during the trial.

I wonder if it’s just no 2024 COD or if we will see 2025 COD come to the console

[high barn]

Oh it absolutely wouldn’t replace my Steam Deck OLED either.

What it would do is replace my OLED Switch as my main system for playing unmodded switch games.

[compact sable]

I sold my OLED Switch because I couldn’t deal with the performance anymore lol

[leaden kiln]

Probably next year

[rapid dawn]

And yet again I am unlikely to ever take my Steam Deck out

[compact sable]

Gonna finish TotK and Echos of Wisdom on the 2

[rapid dawn]

unless I travel abroad and plan to have Hotel time

But I can see myself taking a Switch 2 to the commute.

[compact sable]

I exclusively play No Man’s Sky on the airplane

[rapid dawn]

Also the Steam Deck OLED is great but it will begin to show its age

Some Devs WILL put more effort to port games to the Switch 2 while ignoring Proton compatibility.

[compact sable]

IMO it’s already showing its age

It’s just there really isn’t much to compete at that power envelope at a higher resolution. It sucks

[rapid dawn]

We just never got to the point where a non-nintendo game would run better on the Nintendo console than on the Deck.

But we will definitely get there now.

[compact sable]

Assuming Nintendo doesn’t throw up walls for developers and stupid requirements

[vestal notch]

Non switch 2 related but I have a copy of Mario all stars coming in the mail
Today. Got it for 60 bucks. Figured that’s as good as I could Possibly find it barring a garage sale somewhere. Call me a sucker but whatever

[stark flicker]

and even then consider the cost of nintendo games vs pc games. how many games before switch + switch games becomes more expensive than switch + ally x + steam games?

[compact sable]

Cyberpunk and Elden Ring are absolutely tech demos so people would talk.

Let’s see how willing they are to work with Sony or Microsoft for their first party stuff.

Like will we ever see a Spiderman 1 or 2 ported to the Switch?

Or Doom Dark Ages

[rapid dawn]

I'd be more worried about Sony's interest there.

[stark flicker]

microsoft has already signalled their intention to support all platforms. its just about them having the capacity

[heady snow]

That's my thought process tbh, the initial cost of the switch 2 is cheaper, but pc games almost always cost less and I think that will add up

[compact sable]

And Nintendo being willing to work with them as well

[vestal notch]

Let’s be honest where handhelds really shine is later on down their lifespan anyways. When they’ve released a more ergonomic version and games were easier to come by at a better price and enhancements to backwards compatibility games are done

[compact sable]

And not putting up crazy requirements or cuts of sales

[rapid dawn]

There have been lots of leaks from devs so Nintendo were not giving dev kits to every dev out there. This is going to change once it releases.

[compact sable]

I also wonder about content being cut

[sudden agate]

The Switch didn't have a lot of games at launch back then though. It is kinda normal for people to want to buy 1 2 switch.
I remember Skyrim also sold a lot on the Switch. Now with the Switch 2 people look at Cyberpunk "nah it is just old AAA"

[stark flicker]

that would be illegal. no one has done that

[leaden kiln]

Spider-man hell no but doom dark ages maybe

[compact sable]

I have a really hard time believing the full frontal nudity in Cyberpunk is still present on the Switch 2 copy

[heady snow]

Mandatory ray tracing though

[leaden kiln]

Nah its true

[heady snow]

Have you seen the eshop lately

Nintendont give a fuck

[sudden agate]

But many questionable eshop games are sensored and can't be patched unlike their PC version

[compact sable]

I haven’t used a switch in at least a year lol

Is it that bad?

[hushed igloo]

It has a lot of…I guess you’d call it shovelware

[uncut swallow]

They say it's not tarrifs https://www.theverge.com/nintendo/643277/nintendo-switch-2-price-tariffs-doug-bowser-interview

[sudden agate]

It is just full of cheap shovelware with suggestive names and graphics to trick specific targeted audience into spending money

[stark flicker]

lots of shovelware with creepy anime girl thumbnails and suggestive titles

[heady snow]

Oh that was sarcasm

[uncut swallow]

[hushed igloo]

Clearly

[uncut swallow]

Rip

[heady snow]

Happens to the best of us

[stark flicker]

a lot of us thought the 449 price included some expected tariff hit... oops

[wind belfry]

While that is somewhat true, the Deck only sold like 4million units and other PC handhelds have significantly worse numbers, so let's say Nintendo loses customers here, that's still potentially 140million Switch 2 sold

[sudden agate]

Steam deck is still not as smooth experience as a Switch. Last night I played my Switch after a long break, and the handheld/dock switching as well as controller switching experience was so smooth.

[compact sable]

I get the stupid optimizing shaders nonsense on my Deck far too often recently. Really annoying to fire up a game and have to wait 5 minutes

[wind belfry]

well the console is like 389€ before tax here, so I guess Nintendo calculated 15%... and got 46%

[heady snow]

Yeah, I'm not necessarily expecting switch 2 to lose in sales, because pc handhelds are still fairly niche, but at least to me it's not as enticing as the original was

[hushed igloo]

I almost never put my deck in a dock or use a Bluetooth controller

[rapid dawn]

Any ----->previous<--------- tariffs were not factored into the price itself,“

[sudden agate]

The deck also frequently gets confused if I have keyboard mouse connected when launching a game. It constantly wants to switch control layout. Meanwhile I am very impressed watching Bob's video when he switched mouse mode and joycon mode so smoothly in MP4.

[hushed igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/fleetwood-mac-little-lies-stevie-nicks-lindsey-buckingham-christine-mcvie-gif-16272416

[wind belfry]

fair enough I guess, but as always Nintendo mostly stands complementary to PC, be it at home or on the go

[heady snow]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-howard-nodding-gif-13246550

[hushed igloo]

That song popped in my head all at once ok?

[leaden kiln]

And it's hybrid console that supports physical media

[compact sable]

I’ll buy it for the same reason I bought the OG, banger first party stuff.

I do assume some people will opt out of the Deck and Ally etc because AAA third party stuff will be available

[rapid dawn]

Honestly

[round sparrow]

I'm a simple man, I buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games

for everything else, I have PC

[rapid dawn]

Nintendo might announce a "Switch 2 Edition" of Mario Maker 2 and I will fall completely into that one

Some BS like "App Integration that notifies you whenever your level gets boos" and I am still going to pay 600 USD for that shitte

[leaden kiln]

Also another reason is switch potentially can be good multiplayer games

Hear me out

[wind belfry]

there are honestly way more casual gamers out there, that's also why Nintendo opted for the MicroSD Express card instead of an NVMe slot IMO... like fiddling with the settings to get a decent result on an PC game is already too much of a hassle for some

[sudden agate]

I look forward to seeing how their " one copy of game shared to multiple Switch and Switch 2 " works out

[wind belfry]

I played 300hours of Mario Maker 1 and didn't gave a shit about 2 tbh

[round sparrow]

they did that back in the DS days with download play

[heady snow]

I didn't even know there was a second one

[sudden agate]

That is because you have nothing to play on the Wii U

[round sparrow]

nah, the Wii U catalogue was pretty good tbh

[leaden kiln]

Yh same

[hushed igloo]

Most of the PC games I have don’t exactly require 4K resolution to begin with

[wind belfry]

that is one of the reasons, but it also was something new and had a lot of community involvement tbh

from sharing levels in the private chat group to putting the challenging stuff into some queue of a guy playing Mario Maker on Twitch

[sudden agate]

Ahh you are making me nostalgic about Miiverse and other Wii U stuff

[wind belfry]

same with Splatoon tbh, everyone was playing it, 2 was just a footnote in the Switch library and I got like 60hours in... didn't even open 3

[open osprey]

BRING BACK MIIVERSE

[wind belfry]

sometimes it's nice if there aren't too many games

[sudden agate]

I fondly remember the Miiverse scroll on top of the screen when playing Mario 3D world

[hushed igloo]

I played the shit out of Splatoon 2 &3 but to be fair I have friends who play

[round sparrow]

I loved shitposting on miiverse, it was so fun

[sudden agate]

Everyone seemed so happy back then

[round sparrow]

my favourite thing about miiverse was that one guy who'd just post about water in video games

[wind belfry]

Xenoblade X is great by itself, but playing it simultaneously with some friends, chatting about it, sharing your knowledge about where to find shit, it was fun

[round sparrow]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoQzLqdCYAAtmkJ?format=jpg&name=medium

[pale ivy]

That guy is thirsty af

[sudden agate]

Too much water

[round sparrow]

no such thing for this guy

[open osprey]

That's what im getting the vibe of with Switch 2. Sure it's more powerful, but it seems like it trying to rope back that community aspect

[wind belfry]

someone should have beaten the IGN reviewer for that

[pale ivy]

Won't video chat with the c button make for an even stronger community?

[wind belfry]

the chat feature is kinda nice, not that I expect to use it as much as I would have back in the day tho

a friend is kinda hyped about not having to use Discord for shitty Monster Hunter tho

[round sparrow]

the chat feature is kinda neat but I use discord anyway with all my friends

I even have a cheapo capture card that lets me stream my gameplay at 30fps to them instead of that 10fps lol

[leaden kiln]

People are going to use discord anyway

[wind belfry]

I mean, it's way less of a hassle to just hit the c-button tbh

and the new Pro2 controller has a mic port

[round sparrow]

idk, just opening discord on my phone and joining a channel is easy enough, and it lets me talk to other friends who aren't even playing with us

[wind belfry]

so yeah, they kinda push for more "couch co-op" with this

[compact sable]

Cool so we can have the PS5 experience in multiplayer games hearing the buttons click, clothing rubbing up against it, and people who forget it’s live

[wind belfry]

not saying Discord is complicated, but you underestimate the convenience aspect here

[leaden kiln]

The camera one I know they think it's good idea but it's not going well at all

[round sparrow]

I mean I'd definitely use the feature if I ever play animal crossing with my nieces since they might not use discord

[sudden agate]

It would be funny if Nintendo makes their app so good that people will have phone with them when gaming anyway and so then they still just discord

[pale ivy]

Skill issue

[high barn]

Given Sony becoming unironically way more strict than Nintendo on that front but you still have it on PlayStation, I’d bet at least a little money on it still being there.

[wind belfry]

https://nintendosoup.com/marvelous-nintendo-switch-2-edition-physical-releases-include-all-content-on-switch-2-game-card/

there goes my money

[high barn]

Look at that, Customer Support does know jack shit about a console that wasn’t even released yet.

[round sparrow]

that's cool, I still think it's likely to be a better value to buy second hand switch 1 games then buy the upgrade packs after the fact

[wind belfry]

depends on what games we are talking about, Zelda? most likely. newly released games? not so much.

[round sparrow]

yeah I mean I'm likely to get the switch 2 version of metroid prime 4 for sure

[wind belfry]

lol Daemon X Machina 2 is also coming for Xbox/PS5

[pale ivy]

Seems fair honestly, making switch 2 be able to play switch 1 games is quite different than making og play switch 2 games

[leaden kiln]

That's good just how playstation does it

[wind belfry]

Nintendo is making me hope for a cheaper MicroSD Express card... the 256gb one with the Mario design is only 55€... compared to what is listed on Amazon which are 100€ and the 128gb one coming in at 49€ already

[twilit nimbus]

Oh

So, I shook my head at the pricing and delay, but from the perspective in contrast to Pc Handhelds, Wulff’s video here makes me consider a different angle: https://youtu.be/weEp9IGwot4

Performance is roughly comparable to the ROG Ally or Legion Go (Z1X devices), but it’s got the power efficiency of the Steam Deck (Retro Game Corps roughly estimates most games will run at a 3-7 W TDP, while Z1X devices will typically be run at higher W), in a thinner and lighter package, and with NVIDIA’s performance enhancing technologies (FSR is great to have, but I think most people would agree DLSS and most NVIDIA versions of things are more refined).

If nothing else, I’m happy that the Switch 2 will probably engender more games that are optimized to run well enough on my Steam Deck 😁

And how much does a ROG Ally X cost?

[high barn]

That’s already what I was saying (I wasn’t saying specific comparisons with Ally X or Legion Go, but I was already pointing out that Cyberpunk is outright performing better on S2 than Steam Deck).

[round sparrow]

£800 in the UK

[high barn]

$800 in the US, so I guess they’re also saying screw you to UK.

[round sparrow]

we're used to it lol

[leaden kiln]

I mean we been saying yet people are still doubt in the device phawx said it df said it

[leaden kiln]

Yes

[twilit nimbus]

Sorry former/longtime ally.

[high barn]

Yeah, but hey, maybe you’ll be able to give US tips on coping with that stuff since we’re also gonna have to get used to it pretty soon.

[twilit nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-gif-10590489252210486789

[round sparrow]

does the US price include tax, actually?

[high barn]

Especially since a certain someone is now stacking an additional 50% on top of the already existing tariffs as “retaliation against China increasing their tariffs by 35%”.

[leaden kiln]

Good question

[high barn]

Nope.

It outright never does.

[round sparrow]

in which case it's not that far off the UK price

UK price is tax included

[compact sable]

Docked though, where the SOC is probably pulling more in the lines of 20-30w

[high barn]

…Actually yeah, that’s true enough then.

[twilit nimbus]

Yeah, our tax varies state by state, and that can be in addition to tariffs or federal taxes.

[leaden kiln]

The tax is annoying when it comes to uk

[round sparrow]

VAT is 20% in the UK, which would mean that without tax it'd be £640

[compact sable]

Handheld they said 720p 30 is the target

[round sparrow]

not a million miles off the US price

[leaden kiln]

Yes it would be expensive as well

[high barn]

Makes sense if they’re finally being smart about Docked mode removing the underclocks that were intended for battery life.

[leaden kiln]

30 for quality mode and 40 for performance mode

[round sparrow]

if that is the case, there might be a mighty chasm between handheld and docked performance

but we'll see

[high barn]

That was something they never did with the Switch 1, which led to most games getting cpu bottlenecked in Docked Mode and outright having worse performance than Handheld.

[round sparrow]

it's all speculation until this thing comes out lol

[leaden kiln]

I mean it's all true people shouldn't been surprised by that

[high barn]

Oh, it’ll take one hell of an underclock for it to be a worse situation than what Switch 1 had.

[round sparrow]

I meant that handheld performance could be a lot worse than docked

[leaden kiln]

It would be like steam deck performance but more optimization

[high barn]

Eh, I think it’ll just be around Steam Deck Level, but with the ability to use quality mode for upscaling if the dev decides to do so.

[leaden kiln]

Don't know about how star wars outlaws or wild hurts would work

But optimized would be magic

[high barn]

At the very least, Docked Mode users will finally be vindicated after having their preferred Switch usage be the outright worse option for most of the S1’s life.

And I say this as someone who prefers handheld mode, I’m
just willing to acknowledge Docked fans got screwed over hard and that it should have been handheld mode that was performing worse.

[leaden kiln]

And use it like xbox series s situation they can make it 720p 30fps for wild hearts and star wars outlaws 720p to 1080p 30fps

[heady snow]

Nintendo finally figured out what cooling is 🙏

[leaden kiln]

It's reason why devs are happy for switch 2 performance

[viscid thorn]

Just found out that the $450 price was before the tariffs. 💀

[high barn]

Plus, at the very least that 120hz VRR screen will make lower performance much less painful than it otherwise would be.

[leaden kiln]

Thank God for that

[high barn]

Eh, it makes sense. This is at least looking to be worth the $450 given what it can do.

Only thing that sucks is that it’s still $450 before whatever these upcoming tariffs would do.

[viscid thorn]

The question is whether it's going to be worth $600 unless Nintendo kisses the US president's ring for an exception.

[high barn]

Like, if he actually goes through with the threat of adding an additional 50% on top of the current ones just because of China doing the obviously logical thing and putting a 35% retaliatory tariff on US? That’s $950-$1000.

[leaden kiln]

Hm

Make sense

[compact sable]

Yeah, just makes me more excited for deep dive analysis of heat and such on the console when handheld and docked

That cooling has got to be pretty beefy

[leaden kiln]

I'm more amazed nintendo can make powerful handheld in this size nintendo made smart decision to make hybrid handheld

[hushed igloo]

What ring? I haven’t seen him actually with a ring

Or is that a euphemism about how back in ye olden days the monarchy wore rings that their subjects had to kiss?

[rapid dawn]

Also it looks like the whole camera stuff is basically Kinect, but it actually works

450 most likely already considered the risk of tariffs. If the Tariffs are worse than expected, I don't expect it to go beyond 500. But first waves might get hid bad by stock issues due to scalpers.

[sudden agate]

I am in the impression that this camera doesn't have depth perception unlike kinect

[rapid dawn]

It seems to be able to do magic nevertheless.

[compact sable]

Nvidia Broadcast

It’s using the software they developed for Broadcast since it’s running RTX30 class hardware bits

[sudden agate]

I did a quick search Kinect was 2 640x480 cameras but only 30 Hz. No wonder it didn't perform well.
I have a PSeye camera and that was 480p60 or 240p120.

[compact sable]

It’s probably why they can do the audio isolation stuff as well

[open osprey]

God... so much drama farming about the system in my YT feed, it's actually ridiculous

[wind belfry]

my Switch getting more and more expensive, cuz I just bought a 256gb SD card for 50bucks

[round sparrow]

I'm not gonna buy any extra storage until I feel like I need it

[cloud current]

Yeah I’m gonna try not to until 1TB comes down in price a bit (I’m aware that might be a while under current conditions lol)

Might cave and get a 256 if I really can’t handle it, but not until I know for sure how bad it is.

[round sparrow]

I got a 128gb card in my switch and after 7 years of owning that thing, it's only like 70% full

I tend to buy my games physical

[cloud current]

Ah, I’m almost all digital, and I kinda plan to be even more strict about that going forward

The handful of games I got physical for Switch 1 because of steep sales, I really regretted not always having with me

[hushed igloo]

Since my library will be predominantly physical this should be sufficient

[stark flicker]

Switch 2 edition of totk physical confirmed $80

[torn wraith]

$80??? damn, $80 is the new normal

[stark flicker]

https://www.ign.com/articles/switch-2-exclusive-mario-kart-world-justifies-its-80-price-tag-nintendo-insists-in-first-comments-addressing-cost-controversy

upgrade cost is $10.

[ember perch]

Well, if you don't own botw or totk you can buy the physical switch 2 edition that has the game and the upgrade on the cart

[torn wraith]

That was just a bunch of PR speak

[open osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IZISxGwegXM?si=rzxigS1objW9PFnv

[cloud current]

Don’t really know

[manic lantern]

nm Someone posted.

Lol I can't read.

[cloud current]

We’ve heard it both ways from different places

Official PR hasn’t made a public statement since that post

[manic lantern]

Ya we need an actual note on Nintendo's website and not email shots.

[compact sable]

The issue is everyone is drawing final conclusions early in the news cycles for this thing

And Nintendo for having pretty poor communication

[cloud current]

Yeah. But also most of the stuff they’re not talking about, they’re putting off because the answer is bad

Looking at you, still potentiometer sticks

[cloud current]

Not that I really care, the mechanism doesn’t seem enough more complicated to stop third parties from making better replacements still.

And given that the early semi-confirmation about the magnetic attachments came from Mobapad all those months ago, we probably won’t have to wait too long after launch.

Shame Mobapads are gonna cost like $150+ in our new nightmare hellscape market, but hey.

[sudden agate]

I actually bought the 128 GB Nintendo branded microsd card when the Switch launched. It was also pretty expensive and completely unnecessary for me.

[ornate bane]

https://x.com/Stealth40k/status/1909247087620894743

Stealth (@Stealth40k) on X

Bill Trinen: The upgrade packs for Breath of the Wild & Tears of the Kingdom are $9.99.

Presumably (he didn't say it), the upgrade packs that add content, like the Kirby expansion will be $19.99.

I don't really have a problem with that.

X · Apr 7, 2025, 2:09 PM

[heady snow]

Okay, that's not terrible I guess

[minor bay]

Let’s not forget other hobbies, such as hunting, yachting, watch collecting, etc.

Vidya is a relatively cheap hobby. Hell, I’ve built skateboards that cost $400 and they weren’t top of the line.

[south notch]

CAMPING

just getting into it I'm already out around $300

[minor bay]

Win a gen lose the next. The Nintendo way.

[hushed igloo]

Yeah…could have just bought a normal SanDisk or Lexar and saved some money

[wind belfry]

I already occupy a 512gb card in my Switch, if I move data from there both the internal storage as well as the 256gb Micro SD Express Card may be full already

[wind belfry]

With the Express ones the Nintendo branded ones are actually cheaper for some insane reason, like a unbranded one would be 100bucks instead of 50 😅

[tidal tree]

Id just wait until express get cheaper 256gb internal storage should cover me for a few years

[slow flint]

do we know the speed rating for the Nintendo-branded sandisk microsd express card

[wind belfry]

Doesn't matter, they are all slow as fuck compared to NVMe storage

[slow flint]

yeah and probably won't matter in games

[wind belfry]

I mean, they are basically SATA III speed

Nothing too wild

[slow flint]

I'm just curious coz it is cheaper than the non nintendo-branded ones

I wonder if it might be slower as well

[wind belfry]

As long as it works with the Switch 2, it will be good enough

[slow flint]

well yeah. sata ssd speed should be enough for 99.99% of the games

[wind belfry]

Also 256gb is just a stop gap for me anyway to Bridge over to decently priced 1 or even 2tb cards

[slow flint]

same for me

[tidal tree]

How do yall need 1tb

I have 32 or 64gb in my switch rn and its like 80% full

[blazing sleet]

Most people have more than a couple of games though

[slow flint]

I'm guessing if you buy mostly physical, play only the exclusives, or delete games after you finish, you would only need that much

I'm probably going the "play only the exclusives" route for switch 2

[novel stratus]

i am sure this chat has been nothing but civil

[wind belfry]

I don't delete stuff, so it's a few GB

My Xbox has 16tb hooked up to it

[blazing sleet]

default position for most people buying ninty hardware surely tends to be buying it for the exclusives, only real variation is how far they stray from that afterwards.

Presumably, indies in the digital store changed a few people's intentions.

[lean lotus]

I got a ton of indies on my Switch 1 before I got a Steam Deck

Since I generally preferred handheld play over TV play, and my only computer has been some kind of laptop for most of my life.

[blazing sleet]

My buying pattern tends towards the exclusives, but I am basically obliged to buy some sort of Tetris on ninty hardware even if I have the pc version too

[lean lotus]

Now that I do have a Steam Deck, basically only get exclusives on my Switch.

[quiet ledge]

I been scouring the used market om some exclusive games I haven't bought yet, most are so close to the new price it's not worth it but grabbing Super Mario Wonder to play when the switch 2 arrives.
Also looking to grab The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom if I can find it, that one is getting a switch 2 update.

[tidal tree]

Bro got every game

[lean lotus]

Depending on your location, I found Echoes of Wisdom for like $35 on USA eBay.

[sweet cradle]

wtf

some of those are like 8yr games

[quiet ledge]

Norway so it costs a bit more here, trying to buy locally so I save the delivery fee

[pale ivy]

Diablo 2 resurrected was 21 years old when they re-released it for only $10 less than the original msrp.

[rapid dawn]

Ressurected was an actual remaster

TotK on the Switch 2 is literally just a FPS/res bump from a hardware upgrade lol.

Imagine having to pay 10 dollars to be able to play your existing games every time you do a GPU upgrade.

[wind belfry]

the $9,99 are for the Hyrule-Navi

honestly shouldn't be tied to the res/fps bump

but they are included in NSO, so most people probably won't care too much

[hushed igloo]

I was talking about regular SD cards for the switch 1 because the person I was replying to said they bought the expensive Nintendo branded one at launch 2017

[wind belfry]

honestly biggest reason for buying an SD card for this thing is probably all the Switch 2 Updates I will have to download

[wind belfry]

I'm aware

[tidal tree]

They have funny icons though that you will only see once before you put it in. Seems pretty worth for me

[hushed igloo]

The 128 gig express card I bought was 50 bucks,but that might be because it’s the smallest one

[pine cove]

This hobby will buy hundreds of dollars of e waste but not buy shit that's really worth it lol

[heady snow]

I don't necessarily disagree, but some of the pricing on the switch 2 games and accessories is just ridiculous

[pine cove]

Id say the games definitely are gonna be a harder sell, but personally 500 USD for the hardware and mk bundle is right

[quiet ledge]

Still no sd express cards available here, wanted to grab one early.

[compact sable]

I’m still super torn on the hardware

Like thinking of my family, I got a day 1 launch model. Played that a lot. Then my kids got a bit older and got one for them for like 200 used. Then they got old enough for each to have their own so I got another one for 150 used. Then my wife wanted one for AC so I got her the AC model used for under $200. Then I got a Lite for $100.

A lot of my friends with kids have multiple consoles because they could get used models for under $200 or even new ones for like $250. But pushing $500 means used are going to stay north of $350 and it shifts out of that disposable income territory and into thought-out purchase.

[blazing sleet]

They don't actually make much money on the consoles and sod all on used ones, so that's not going to be a major issue for them

[compact sable]

More consoles = more accessories + more game purchase = more online subscriptions

[blazing sleet]

Most of those will still happen at a similar level (less the reductions due to the gamesharing stuff) and conceivably with the former, you could see higher sales on some stuff like docks with one switch 2 moving around rooms

[sweet cradle]

the switch 2 price is actually reasonable because of the upgrades that come with the console

but the games cannot be justified man

80 bucks for a switch 1 launch game?

[leaden kiln]

https://x.com/Stealth40k/status/1909599025013096942?t=fcM6ko8yadBQYYk73pbhCw&s=33

Stealth (@Stealth40k) on X

Supergiant Games confirmed that Hades II is a console launch exclusive on Switch 2.

X · Apr 8, 2025, 1:27 PM

[lean lotus]

$450 I find a bit expensive, but it was always in the realm of possibility for me. Was hoping for $400, but got $450. Whatevs, fine.

But $80 games is rough man. Especially when Nintendo in the US only used $70 once for Switch 1 with Tears of the Kingdom. And apparently used 70€ three times, for Breath of the Wild, Smash Bros. and Tears of the Kingdom.

To completely leapfrog from barely using $70 to straight to $80 for even some games is nuts to me.

[hushed igloo]

Not all games will be 80

[wind belfry]

the console price is fine honestly
$299 from 8 years ago is like $387 today, so they barely made it more expensive while using way more capable hardware, compared to putting a already 3y/o SoC into their new console

game prices are indeed iffy, I'm pissed that Amazon.fr lists lots of stuff for 60€, 70€ max and Amazon.de is straight out doing the 70€ Switch 2 Editions, 80€ basic games and 90€ for MK World... like, fucking nope

[leaden kiln]

https://x.com/Wario64/status/1909632888951517318?t=MpUJ98OZhXZDfJQjCqv_YQ&s=33

Wario64 (@Wario64) on X

“Pre-orders for Nintendo Switch 2 in Canada will not start on April 9, 2025 in order to align with the timing of pre-orders to be determined in the U.S. Nintendo will provide updated information at a later date. The launch date of June 5 is unchanged.” https://t.co/YitrQtyp1r

X · Apr 8, 2025, 3:42 PM

Oh CANADAAAAA

[wind belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-haha-minions-happy-lol-gif-11902905200309363953

me who already has his Switch 2 on order

[leaden kiln]

Lmaoooo Europe got their pre-order safe 🤣

[iron apex]

mediamarkt has a price warranty as well

That’s locked in, no sudden price hikes

[wind belfry]

media markt may cancel a lot of orders if they don't get enough units tho#

I ordered via Amazon, the invitation solution was a tad annoying, but should guarantee me my Switch 2

[iron apex]

Don’t jinx it

[wind belfry]

they still have orders up for anyone who may want to grab it, while Amazon is sold out (funnily enough on the non-bundle version)

oh fucking hell, screw Square Enix, Europe also is only getting a gamekey card on BD HD Remaster

[iron apex]

No way I’ll get the non-bundle

It’s like throwing away free money

[compact sable]

Is it really more capable or is it about 8 years more capable than the Switch 1? Ie right where it should be.

Justifying a price increase based on more capability only works if the two are closely related in terms of time. But 8 years is a huge leap in terms of performance even in the handheld realm.

[wind belfry]

it beats out the Steam Deck on an ARM SoC... so yeah definitely more capable

[compact sable]

But again, isn’t that what we should expect from something launching 8 years later?

[leaden kiln]

Of course

[compact sable]

That’s why I have a difficult time justifying the price hike due to increased performance

[wind belfry]

well, lets say it like that... for $399 I wouldn't expect Nintendo to have this kind of power packed into it

[compact sable]

Ok, but why?

[leaden kiln]

Because nintendo like to unclocking or be gen behind playstation and xbox

[compact sable]

And so was the Switch 1

So why is the price hike (even with inflation) justifiable

[leaden kiln]

This is first time since gamecube they can be powerful hybrid handheld console

[leaden kiln]

1080p 120hz hdr

4k support

[compact sable]

The Switch 1 was a powerful hybrid handheld console

Compare it to anything on the market even up till 2020 and it was crazy how advanced it was

[compact sable]

Again though, isn’t this just the upgrades we should expect after 8 years?

[leaden kiln]

Yes but it was ps3/xbox 360 performance

[compact sable]

And it was 8 years ago lol

[leaden kiln]

You can't expect price to be the same without the features and performance

[compact sable]

Why?

[leaden kiln]

Okay you tell me a device can be 1080p 120hz hdr 4k support to be the same price as switch 1

[compact sable]

The performance and features added are ones that have become more common place in the market. Technology always is advancing.

If we took that approach with price increases justified because the N64 was more powerful then the SNES and it was more powerful then the NES we should have $1500 consoles now

[compact sable]

After 8 years, yes it should be.

The same way you can get 1440p monitors for the same price as you got 1080p monitors for 5 years ago.

Or you get a $300 processor today with the same cores and more performance as a $600 one 5 years ago

[leaden kiln]

In a handheld btw not a console

Mobile

Arm

That's not cheap

[compact sable]

You are totally missing my point so I’ll just stop now

[compact sable]

ARM has had more advancement in the last 8 years then x86 has lol

Literally not an argument

[leaden kiln]

The price justified for the performance and features that they have end of its like me saying oh steam deck oled can be still same price as steam deck lcd

More technology advanced the more they get expensive

You see ps5 pro

Imagine how they would charge for the Playstation handheld

[wind belfry]

a PS handheld would probably be an $799 x86 handheld

[leaden kiln]

Same with xbox even tho they can be cheaper than playstation

[wind belfry]

Xbox will probably just cook up an application to run on all those x86 handhelds out there that plays whatever games you have via the Microsoft store

[compact sable]

Again, missing the point. If this were true (which it isn’t) and progressed linearly we would have consoles into the thousands. It doesn’t. Time is a major factor here.

[tame roost]

what the fuck is this bullshit ugggg

[leaden kiln]

Okay

[tame roost]

we arent even doing tariffs

[heady snow]

Yeesh, looks like everyone is getting screwed over now

[leaden kiln]

Everyone? You mean north America right

[heady snow]

Hyperbole

[leaden kiln]

We praying for you north America

https://tenor.com/view/mr-demi-demi-demi-demi-demi-demi-motivation-mr-demi-demi-motivation-motivation-gif-17246715

[tame roost]

i guess its probably just so that americans dont hoard the canadian preorders but if they raise our price im not gonna get it

[leaden kiln]

If true they could raise the price after launch

[tame roost]

i hope stores just require proof of address in canada or something

but yeah if the us price goes up americans are gonna try to smuggle switches across the border from canada im sure

[leaden kiln]

They already tried to do that from uk but amazon blocked anyone from America to get the device

[tame roost]

yeah i mean online it should be fine, talking more about people driving across the border

[leaden kiln]

Ohhhh

Dark times

[tame roost]

but yeah hopefully our price doesnt go up. we already need to have a different SKU cuz the packaging needs to be bilingual but im not sure if they ship via the US anyway

[leaden kiln]

Surely not

[wind belfry]

and then on the boarder people will have to pay 103% tariffs on the brand new Switch 2 they bought in Canada

[open osprey]

Bruh, orange crayon really fucking everyone over

[tame roost]

yeah but they're not gonna declare it

but yeah hopefully scalpers arent gonna be able to cross the border with a truckful of them lmao

but individuals will definitely get away with it

[hushed igloo]

I don’t live in Canada but this is ridiculous

[wind belfry]

some may, other will not, and expect to be fined if they catch ya

[compact sable]

It could also be if some Canadian resellers have their warehouses in the US

[leaden kiln]

Or they can charge more for north America less headache

[stark flicker]

Do importers have to pay import duties on goods that are passing through to another country? Because usually a lot of canadian goods are imported to the US ports then sent to Canada over land or air.

[wind belfry]

may be the reason you guys are fucked as well

[compact sable]

Yes I believe they are

The tariffs are charged at the ports regardless of destination which is why some auto manufacturers are concerned because parts can cross a few times

[sudden agate]

Reminded me of a novel I read long ago about a smuggler disguised as a tourist driving through country border

who smuggles cars

[stark flicker]

when you're visiting a country, buy goods/gifts and pay sales tax/duties on it, you can get them refunded when you're leaving the country. wasn't sure if it was available to companies as well

[edgy frost]

Not sure how accurate this is but interesting anyway

https://youtu.be/EZZAr1c0Wqg?si=6SMnCG2c1R-Gs5Ex

[north prawn]

welp. just preordered a Changer 2

[glass turret]

Not in the UK. They abolished that a few years ago

[manic lantern]

Hoping Vietnam agrees to monitor shipments coming in from China

[viscid thorn]

The problem is average wages are the same as 8 yrs ago. This isn't inflation, it's corporate greed.

[manic lantern]

Seems that's what Trump wants from them in addition to removing all Tariffs.

[wind belfry]

your money doesn't has the same value as 8 years ago, YOU EARN less, most people do, but stuff is getting more expensive, because SOME people have way more dough and more money in the system simply means prices go up

not Nintendos fault and given what we know about the Switch 2, the console price is fair enough, the game prices obviously hurt the average Joe, but calling corpo greed on Nintendo neither of those are a good example IMO

the Pro 2 controller and other accessorizes on the other hand are quite overpriced... let alone them asking for 10bucks for the user manual "game" 😂

[cloud current]

Doing what he says he wants never works, that’s how we got here in the first damn place

[leaden kiln]

Like I'm not defending nintendo but everything is expensive it's not be like same thing 8 years ago

[wind belfry]

yeah, it's not about defending Nintendo, because honestly while it's unpleasant for everyone, it ain't them, OUR MONEY IS LOSING VALUE and that at quite the rapid speed

if shit continues like that, Nintendo may even have to raise the price mid generation like Sony did

[leaden kiln]

At best others have to follow like apple sony

[torn wraith]

I have a feeling that Switch 2 won't have a jailbreak for a while (At least 5 years or so). Is it worth it to buy and hold onto it?

[sudden agate]

It is sad to think that the more years of experience I have in the workforce the less unit value I am creating for myself 🥲

[sudden agate]

What do you mean? If jailbreak is available on launch day do you buy it or not buy it?

[torn wraith]

Yes, but the problem is sitting with unused Switch 2 for 5 years

[viscid thorn]

It'd make the price a bit easier to swallow.

[sudden agate]

I would imagine one of the first apps to appear on jailbroken Switch 2 would be retroarch or some emulators so it wouldn't be really "unused" would it?
Personally I would skip/sell one or two retro handheld devices to justify the Switch 2 purchase if that ever happens.

[spice badge]

This is a bold statement

SSA

[leaden kiln]

That's I'm saying

[sharp needle]

average isn't really a great metric anyway, median would be better

[leaden kiln]

But the people think it's too expensive for nintendo switch 2

I don't hear people complaining about ps5 price at launch

[compact sable]

Why would one do this?

[sharp needle]

looks like median is catching up to average, very interesting

[proper bear]

You want to look at the distance between the two

That's wealthy disparity

[sharp needle]

I was looking at the ratio rather than $ amounts

then again a ~1% increase between 2022 and 2023 isn't very impressive. and no data for 2024

[proper bear]

Yeah. I mean there's been job growth since covid for the most part. Let's see if we can blow it up

[spice badge]

I think the biggest thing is we actually have alternatives to the switch 2 versus switch 1

[proper bear]

Of course that doesn't mean there's really been raises, vs just keeping even with inflation

[proper bear]

For us definitely. For the average person less so. Tho PC handhelds are becoming more popular

I imagine PC handhelds skews to an older demographic tho