Switch 2

[stuck viper]

But everything gaming related hardware wise will basically be out of my price bracket entirely until the tariffs leave

[undone fox]

That might take a good while, both for tariffs and prices to come down

[latent vortex]

i will buy a switch 2 over a playstation/crapbox
i already have a gaming pc to play all those games anyway
i wanna play funny monke game

[brittle schooner]

The monkee and the cow

[open osprey]

....

Damn Duolingo, im not buying in to your scheme

[rapid pollen]

yeah, use duolingo and learn how to speak japanese, that'll totally help you with reading it

[round sparrow]

duolingo will help you learn how to ask "where is the train station", but it won't help you understand RPG dialogue when they start waxing poetic about love and friendship or whatever trope lol

I need to get back to learning japanese tbh, even if it's just learning some kanji every day

[viscid thorn]

Way things are going you might get more learning Chinese. 👀

[stark flicker]

by the time you "learn" japanese you're probably halfway to being able to read chinese

[odd scaffold]

I'll be able to play the "where is the train station" rpg at least!

[brittle schooner]

By the time , we'll be at the Switch 4

[fallen herald]

Are they locking the games region on the special japanese switch 2?
Do physical games from other regions still work on it?

[leaden kiln]

It would be fine

[sudden agate]

I learned a LOT of Japanese from just using Duolingo

And I struggle to read through the very 1st screen of Japanese Pokemon fire red which is just explaining basic controls.

[stark flicker]

i think the games will work but if they support japanese language they will be locked to it

[round sparrow]

funnily enough, I've found that knowing katakana in particular can help with menuing in japanese games quite a bit, you'll see stuff like アイテム (aitemu, item) or セーブ (se-bu, save)

[sudden agate]

Yes but then you run into a word with like one million katakana

😂

[stark flicker]

katakana as a linguistic concept is terrible

[round sparrow]

I agree, it's kinda strange

but it at least signifies to me when I'm reading it that it's a loan-word or a non-native japanese word

[stark flicker]

*loan-word

[round sparrow]

right lol

where japanese gets really confusing with kanji is that kanji characters have onyomi and kunyomi readings

I found the rule of thumb is that if two or more kanji are together, you use the onyomi reading, but I'm not sure how hard and fast this is

[silk hatch]

I’d love to learn Japanese just because of all the Japanese games I play. My local college has classes but idk. Rn I’m definitely too busy and that’s probably not going to change lol

[fallen herald]

I personally don't recall playing any switch games with multiple languages that lock to the console system 's language.
But yeah, need to wait and see how it works i guess.

[stark flicker]

it's a "feature" of the japan-only switch 2

[fallen herald]

I only see official statement that console system language is fixed to japanese and only japanese eShop can be accessed. Nothing about games language being fixed to system language.

[stark flicker]

if you know the amount of work needed to become familiar with Kanji and willing to commit, go for it. I tried for a semester without fully understand it beforehand, and didn't go back to it. thankfully it was like a filler course so I didn't really lose anything in terms of credits or gpa.

[round sparrow]

I wonder if they're making a loss on the region locked version

[leaden kiln]

Yh mostly their yen is weak so they wanted to make affordable for them

And it's their home market

[silk hatch]

I took two semesters of Ancient Greek to be able to translate the Bible back during my undergrad. It was challenging but very rewarding. I could probably do it again

[leaden kiln]

It's reason why switch 1 was outselling ps5 in Japan

[stark flicker]

kanji is a different beast. you have to memorize a thousand characters, not just a few dozen. it's nothing like a regular alphabet.

[silk hatch]

Of course, I guess my point is I can do basic memorization and learn new grammar

[round sparrow]

kanji characters are curious, they're supposed to look like what the word is but very often it's a game of cultural telephone

kinda like this old joke that doesn't make sense anymore: "A dog walks into a bar and says ‘I can’t see a thing’. I’ll open this one.’"

[proper bear]

Just need smart glasses with translate built in. Lol

[round sparrow]

the google translate app is super useful for helping me identify characters I don't recognize

[wind belfry]

I would assume the region locked version is very close to production cost, as Nintendo is pretty notorious on making a profit with the console itself. But I wouldn't put it past them to go with a slight loss for their home market, given how economically fucked the Yen honestly is... not that the average Joe in the US/EU got anywhere close to a 30% raise in the past 5 years, so them upping the game prices in cold blood isn't exactly the smartest move for sales either.

[proper bear]

I mean it's not cold blood. Lol. I'm sure it's just to offset lower margins elsewhere

Like it's very likely EU and UK are paying marginally higher prices to offset a lower price in the US

[wind belfry]

which would be total insanity, given how the US has way higher wages

BUT European prices already include taxes

so a $80 game is +whatever% of tax

while a 90€ game is already 19% taxed

[round sparrow]

that's an important detail people often miss when they look at EU prices and think "wow that's so high"

turns out prices look cheaper if you don't include VAT in the mix

[wind belfry]

still Switch 2 is getting kinda expensive

509€ the console+ MK World (digital 😒 )
89€ the Pro2 controller
39€ the webcam-plant
25€ the case+screen protector

[round sparrow]

while I do think the console itself is pricey, I would say it's priced fairly for what you get

[wind belfry]

we generally have a way higher tax on stuff than US folks tho, like 10% would be hefty for most places in the US iirc, so they are at $88 at most, while the dollar usually is a bit weaker than the € anyway

[round sparrow]

game prices are an elephant in the room, though

VAT is 20% in my country (UK)

[wind belfry]

yeah I don't really mind the console price in itself, the controller is pretty expensive tbh... and the games... don't get me started

[round sparrow]

I never thought I'd say this like 20 years ago, but I'm kinda over first party controllers

third party controllers no longer feel like little brother madcatz controllers from the days of yore

an 8bitdo is genuinely better value and feels great, for instance

[wind belfry]

honestly, if the wake up function wouldn't be locked, I wouldn't bother either

[round sparrow]

it's a minor bit of QOL that you'll be missing out on

[wind belfry]

but as long as Nintendo does that to push their first party controller sales, you have to deal with it

[round sparrow]

I don't mind spending £30 less on a controller for that

[wind belfry]

I have 100+ controllers, the price for the Pro2 is certainly way to high... like given the features, 50€ would maybe be justified.... but ehh, what can ya do, at the end of the day I will get the one and that's that, back in the day you bought for first party controllers so they somehow gotta make the money back

but I probably should wait on some kind of deal for that one... it's just the absolute unwillingness to not have that QoL to wake up the console

[round sparrow]

I'll just stick with my first generation pro controller, the only feature I'd really want from the second generation controller are the macro buttons on the back

I was genuinely surprised nintendo put those there, genuinely very cool of them

I use them pretty often on my steam deck. Like in dark souls, I bind the b button to one of them so I can run while controlling the camera

[wind belfry]

I usually use my KK3, and have start/select bound to two of them

it's good that we get to see some on first party controllers now tho

hope Xbox comes along with their next iteration, hall-effect sticks and trigger locks would go a long way

[round sparrow]

xbox needs to put gyro in their controllers, a super underrated feature on modern controllers

I remember when fortnite first came out on the switch, I found myself trying to do micro adjustments to my aiming with gyro, but it didn't actually launch with that feature

[wind belfry]

I absolutely despise GYRO aiming

the kids are just to used to it

they absolutely wreck me in Splatoon

damn brats

[round sparrow]

gotta learn to use gyro aiming

[wind belfry]

I will just aim with the mouse in Splatoon 4, thank you very much

[round sparrow]

that's fair

[wind belfry]

I'm kinda tempted to grab a 2nd Piranha Plant webcam for my dad, would be fun

[round sparrow]

I'm tempted to get one for my desktop, but I know that the video quality is going to be worse than my current webcam

maybe I should gut the internals and swap them around, if that's even possible

[wind belfry]

yeah that's the thing, I doubt those webcams are good quality stuff

[round sparrow]

I'm holding off of getting many peripherals

I'll likely just get a screen protector and case at launch, and leave it at that to begin with

[leaden kiln]

Yes we are

[wind belfry]

fair enough, I'm glad I ordered the case and screen protector yesterday tho, they already upped the price from 25 to 30bucks

[round sparrow]

I'll just get a third party case lol

[wind belfry]

not too concerned with the plants video quality either tbh, it's cheaper than the Nintendo cam and should do good enough for the games that use it, also key feature (for me) aside from the visuals certainly is that you can detach it from the pot and just plug it directly into the Switch 2

because I totally don't want to have a stupid webcam standing around all the time

[round sparrow]

do we know if the switch 2 is using a plastic front screen or a glass one this time?

[proper bear]

Yeah. It's something every company does. Just more obvious when you launch a new product across the whole world only every 4 years

That and before the world market wasn't in total chaos

[wind belfry]

knowing Nintendo, I go with plastic

not that it matters to me, will put the screen protector on and be done with it, into the dock it goes

[round sparrow]

yeah, I've had a glass screen protector on my switch since I got it in 2017

[high barn]

Huh, ok so the Switch 2 game cases actually look pretty decent “in person” (aka, in real life and not just sterilized renders/images).

At the very least, the fact the spines aren’t just red is a hell of a lot better than the Switch 1 cases that just make a giant row of red on a shelf.

[round sparrow]

that'll be a good way to differentiate the cases at a glance, at least

[high barn]

I think what also helps for me is the fact that the red of the boxart is different from the red of the case, so it’s at least different shades of red.

[wind belfry]

that's kinda iffy, but I think we Europeans will just get the clear cases once again tbh

[uncut swallow]

https://bsky.app/profile/wario64.bsky.social/post/3lm37tf46zk2g

Wario64 (@wario64.bsky.social)

According to a Nintendo UK Support Rep, Switch 2 Editions of physical games like Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom, Kirby and the Forgotten Land, Metroid Prime 4 contain a download code for the upgrade pack along with a Switch 1 version cart of the game

Does it play? (@doesitplay.org)
According to Nintendo's own support, the Switch 2 Enhanced Editions were false advertising during the Direct. After trying to nail them down for an answer, they confirmed to one of our followers it's just Switch 1 cards with a code for the upgrade. No reason to buy these, then.

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Bluesky · Apr 5, 2025, 3:13 PM

[round sparrow]

I feel justified buying a second hand copy of BOTW with the intention of buying the upgrade after the fact

[leaden kiln]

Okay it's look better

[leaden kiln]

Oh

[undone fox]

huh

[leaden kiln]

But does it make sense if you just buy switch 1 and then pay the upgrade

[high barn]

So is this for all of them, or is Nintendo of Europe specifically proving to be even more scummy after already being the only guys to be doing the “physical is more than digital”?

[proper bear]

Thought everyone is getting physical more than digital

[high barn]

I mean that’s already what I would’ve recommended.

Even if the upgrade was built into the cartridge, it would still be stupid to buy it brand new when you can get the switch 1 version for cheaper than its sticker price for used, if not via clearance sales.

While the $80 price makes sense for TOTK given it’s just $10 more than its original $70 price, it would still be foolish to get that instead of outright just buying a used or clearance copy of S1’s TOTK and then spending the extra $10.

[high barn]

Even if it was just UK or Europe and other regions have it built in, I’d still say buying the S2 version elsewhere is stupid, you can get the S1 version for cheaper than buying it new at its $70 sticker price, and then just buy the upgrade.

[round sparrow]

I'm not sure how much these upgrades will cost, I think the zelda ones will be likely cheaper than kirby's, but I think buying used copies of switch 1 games and buying the upgrades after the fact could be more economical

[leaden kiln]

That's I'm saying

[undone fox]

do we know how much the upgrades will be seperately? even if they do sell them seperate? i imagine they will

[high barn]

Yeah, my arguments on the $80 making sense was solely in regards to the actual math for new copies, but it would still be dumb for people to buy them new if they can just get the original version used and spend the money for the upgrade.

[round sparrow]

they will be sold seperately, and I think we only know the japanese prices for the zelda upgrades

it was like $7 per upgrade for the zelda ones, which will likely just wind up being $10

[undone fox]

its been such an entertaining week 😄

[leaden kiln]

Now it's just make sense to own switch 1 version for cheaper price and get upgrades from e shop

[wind belfry]

that honestly deters me from double dipping if the upgrade ain't on the card...

[high barn]

Yup, at the very least most upgrades should be free anyways, so it makes it even easier to only be looking for cheaper versions of games like BOTW/TOTK/Forgotten Land to buy the upgrade like that.

[high barn]

…You literally do not even need to double dip. You can just get the upgrade from EShop and use your copy.

Like, if the cartridge was still at least a Switch 2 Cart, I’d at least understand the logic in that (even if it wouldn’t personally be enough for me) since they’re supposed to be a good bit faster than even Switch 1 carts (much less emmc or sd cards), but the fact it’s just the Switch 1 cart means you literally do not need to get it.

[wind belfry]

I could yes, but if everything would be on the cartridge without the need for an additional download that would make it worth it to grab certain games again IMO

[wind belfry]

yeah, I think everyone was kinda expecting Switch 2 cartridges in these boxes...

like this it's just a DLC bundle with uglier boxart

[leaden kiln]

It's same thing when it comes to some ps5 games as well

But at least most of them actually on the disc

This is all mess I hope this is not true

[wind belfry]

nah I'm fine with that, no reason to grab any Switch 2 Editions that way

[leaden kiln]

Yes

[high barn]

Yeah, I’m currently wondering if their logic is that “they don’t want to make it a version of TOTK that only works on Switch 2”, but they’ve already solved that for games like with the New3DS games that could still be played on 3DS just by making it so the game’s New3DS content is only active if you’re playing it on a New 3DS.

[wind belfry]

I mean sure, but this is probably an easier solution tbh

[high barn]

Most Switch 2 games will be on the cartridges as well, it’s specifically only some games that are planned to be doing that, and even then they’re going to be mandated to require labeling the games as “Physical Keys” on the boxart.

[leaden kiln]

It's same thing for ps5 some of ps4 games have ps5 upgrades

[wind belfry]

I kinda throws me off that Breath of the Wild is shown here as the red cartridge tho, gotta hold of on Switch 2 Editions until someone confirms this either being the same old Switch 1 games in red or everything being on these cards...

[leaden kiln]

Yh it would be third games party games at least we don't have to deal download code bullshit

[high barn]

Yup, I’m still wondering if it’s just UK/Europe or if it’s everyone in general, and my arguments are mostly just in regard to the combo not being worth it IMO even if they’re in the cartridges.

[leaden kiln]

Nintendo like to do that bullshit to us like they did with download code

[odd scaffold]

I like the bundle personally because I'd be getting Mario Kart digital anyway lol, it's the kind of game I want to be able to open up at a moment's notice

[high barn]

That’s what all these companies do, only thing I’ll give Nintendo is that they’re at least making it so that you have to physically label on your game’s box that it’s only a physical key, unlike with at least a good chunk of the PS4 disks I have that still “require mandatory data that not on the disk be downloaded to the system internal storage” where you’re at best gonna have to look real close for it assuming it’s actually there.

[odd scaffold]

It's a shame the upgrades aren't just on the card, I was hoping they would be. Makes sense to not be full Switch 2 carts but blehmb

[wind belfry]

welp, ignoring Switch 2 for now, time to clear out my Switch wishlist a bit buys 5 games

[leaden kiln]

Of course and i have no doubt about it and I'm glad they are sorting out the game key card situation at least you download the game online once and you can play offline as you want as long you have the game key card

[wind belfry]

honestly makes it easier on my purse

[odd scaffold]

I've definitely been considering the "just focus on old/indie games on my Steam Deck and handhelds" option again, kinda depends on how fucked we end up being

[high barn]

Well, at the very least it makes more sense to get the bundle if you want Mario Kart World, since you’d outright be spending $30 more for getting the non-bundle and then getting the game separately later.

[odd scaffold]

That's the big thing making me want to preorder lmao, but if it's anything like the switch 1 there will probably be a Mario Kart bundle available for it's whole life

[wind belfry]

Switch without MK World is 469€ here
509€ with MK World
MK World alone is 90€
so the difference it literally 50bucks

[high barn]

I still do not get what the logic for that was, like even for earlier examples of S1 bundles with cheaper prices, it was mostly just like $10-$15 cheaper than buying both separately, this is literally almost half the price of the game.

[wind belfry]

I mean, honestly? Amazon.fr is listing MK World for 70€, so it's more of a 30€ difference really

Amazon.de isn't listing any Switch 2 games yet so we don't know how exactly that pans out

but I kinda think we may go with the 70€ price point for now... Daemon X Machina 2 is also 69,99€ on Amazon.de

[leaden kiln]

Yes it's 60

[odd scaffold]

My conspiracy theory is that the price for the game separately is to push people towards the bundle as a way to get more people into the new Mario Kart instead of saying "well I already have mk8d with a quadrillion tracks thanks to the booster pack, why bother with the new one" lol

[round sparrow]

I see the $80 price tag being used for particularly big games

[leaden kiln]

It's just like ps5

[verbal wing]

I like expensive games, tbh.

I don't like paying for them, but I think it really does preserve the future of high quality titles.

[leaden kiln]

If you have ps5 it's like this you have ps4 version and then you got ps5 version that have upgrades

[wind belfry]

are you drunk? greedy corpos like Ubisoft and EA have been selling overpriced crap for a while

not saying that I ain't willing to pay whatever if a game is good

[verbal wing]

I said high quality titles.

[minor bay]

This and your previous message are me. I buy maaaaybe 1-2 actual new AAA releases a year. I’m more into retro and indies. These tariffs suck but won’t change my habits much.

[round sparrow]

I've no issue spending £50 on games if they're worth it like with Tears of the Kingdom or Baldur's Gate 3

those games were very much worth the money to me

[heady snow]

Price =/= quality

[verbal wing]

I said high quality titles.

I think TotK is a great example. I bought Skyward Sword in 2011 for $60. It was awesome. I beat it in 35ish hours and never played it again.

[high barn]

Nah, they do…eventually, after the horrid quality game does so poorly at its high price that they outright permanently lower it to like half or even less.

[verbal wing]

I bought TotK for $70. I played it for 100+ hours and will likely go back to it.

[high barn]

Although there are still some titles where they were lowered to like 75%, and I’d still end up arguing that’s too much for them.

[verbal wing]

Unless you are rich, Ubisoft provides you with no incentive to buy a game within the first month.

It'll be 60%+ off within 3 months.

Another reason why I buy physical first-party Nintendo Switch games... you can always sell them for a decent chunk of what you paid.

[round sparrow]

nintendo games usually go up in price after a console has ended production

apart from the Wii U, but that's more likely because most of its games got ported to switch

[high barn]

https://fxtwitter.com/directfeedgames/status/1907866918981091448?s=46

Direct-Feed Games (@DirectFeedGames)

Nintendo 64 -- Nintendo Classics will be getting a significant update on Switch 2. New CRT filter option and Rewind feature.
︀︀
︀︀Unsure why Nintendo buried this new information.

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FxTwitter · Apr 3, 2025, 6:44 PM

[wind belfry]

so Switch 2 is finally powerful enough to emulate N64 properly

[high barn]

Yup.

[leaden kiln]

And gamecube

[wind belfry]

I mean technically we were already running Sunshine on Switch, but yeah

[leaden kiln]

https://x.com/PhysicReleases/status/1907942829739094269?t=APfper6knl650qqNPq_C-Q&s=33

Physical Releases Play Physical (@PhysicReleases) on X

Considering all of these games have a physical NA release on the Nintendo Switch 2... #NSW2

Which one do you plan on picking up?

X · Apr 3, 2025, 11:46 PM

[high barn]

Probably only Yakuza 0 and maybe Cyberpunk 2077, and either I’ll get Mario Kart World with the bundle or just flat out not get it new.

[round sparrow]

I'm getting MKW with the bundle, I may get hyrule warriors down the line if I feel like losing 120 hours of my life

missing from this list is bravely default HD, which I'm probably going to get

[wind belfry]

that ain't a physical release, only a Game-Key card

[round sparrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

doesn't matter to me, I can still resell it down the line if I wanted

[wind belfry]

I will probably pick up Mario Kart World for the shelve later on, Yakuza 0 obviously and Hyrule Warriors... Daemon X Machina I'm kinda unsure about, depends on if I need to have played the first kinda... Cyberpunk ehhh, kinda tempted if it's fully on cartridge

[edgy frost]

https://youtu.be/W_qQh9I1UAg?si=oQF_3Gbu4ciy9T_J

[round sparrow]

cyberpunk is fully on cartridge

[edgy frost]

Screen looks great

[round sparrow]

I actually appreciate that they label games as being key cards as opposed to local cards

[wind belfry]

that's surprising really

may grab that, not that I will ever open it

[round sparrow]

because on PS5, so many games ship with just what's essentially a license key on disc and expect you to download the game after the fact

at least they're being honest about it on switch

[leaden kiln]

Imagine if you find out japan got bravely default hd remaster on physical cartridge

It wouldn't be first time.

[wind belfry]

that's what I'm hoping for, will pick up that

already imported quite a few games that were download only or additional download for Switch 1

[leaden kiln]

Like stalker legends trilogy they got physical copy on switch and playstation

[high barn]

Eh, I’m already not that interested after seeing they got rid of the mechs in favor of using power armor.

The first game was already just my alternative to “the Armored Core 6 that doesn’t exist”, and then Armored Core 6 actually happened and I pretty much only saw the first one as “the Armored Core game on the Switch”.

[wind belfry]

I mean it looks interesting so far, but I certainly won't pre-order, should drop in price after the fact

[high barn]

Fair enough, and yeah Daemon X Machina dropped a good bit after the fact, so I’d advise the same on here.

Still though, now that freaking Elden Ring has gotten ported to Switch 2, I’m unironically now a good bit hopeful that we’ll maybe see AC6 also ported to it, if not any of the older Armored Core games. Like maybe a collection for gens 1/2/3, or maybe dual-game releases for Gens 4 and 5 each (so 4 and For Answer, then V and Verdict Day)?

[round sparrow]

or sekiro 👀

[leaden kiln]

Did call of juarez gunslinger got physical copy in playasia

[edgy frost]

Pretty sure I bought a copy from Amazon

[clever geyser]

Gotta say the graphics in the games look a lot more appealing when watching this video than the trailers the other day. Mario kart looks great on this when they are playing it handheld.
Zelda looks like how it should have been all along too

[edgy frost]

They do look great don’t they

[leaden kiln]

Oh it's just download code

[edgy frost]

You might be right it was a while ago but do remember getting a box

I usually avoid digital games at all costs

[tame roost]

Yeah I feel like Nintendo really focused on graphics and performance for this console in a way that they haven't in a long time (if ever). Like obviously it's not gonna be on par with ps5 or Xbox series but for a handheld it looks pretty great

And it's weird to see them talk about resolutions and frame rates so directly lol

[leaden kiln]

Of course people been trying to act like nintendo switch 2 is not going to sell well

Trust me it's not going to sell like switch 1 but it would shows levelsss

[tame roost]

It's not gonna sell as well as the switch 1 I think because it's a more expensive and more "gamery" product I think. But yeah it feels like a ds to 3ds sort of situation

[leaden kiln]

No more jokes about if switch can run this game anyway

You see how many third party games on the direct it would be more third party games than ever

[tame roost]

Yeah tho tbf a lot of Nintendo consoles started out with good 3rd party support. Hopefully it sticks this time

But the performance looks a lot better and closer to competitors than say, doom 2016 on switch for the most part. The Yakuza port looks weirdly rough but the others all look solid

[wind belfry]

only as long as Series X and PS5 are around, but I honestly doubt Sony and Microsoft will put out new hardware within the next 4-5 years

[tame roost]

Yeah probably not. Wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft doesn't really make another proper console tbh they are leaning so hard into "Xbox as a service"

They make a lot more money off gamepass than hardware sales

[leaden kiln]

I hope it's 4 years because this gen even the games are nice and stuff it's feels underwhelming so far In both console

But with nintendo switch 2 this is like refreshing

Even the pc handhelds is refreshing

[wind belfry]

I mean with how covid impacted sales and supplies they were off to a shit start to begin with and given current hardware prices, especially considering the US, they would have to sell something at $1000+ to archive a noticeable performance increase for the next gen aka true 4k/60fps

and with that we are already in PC territory

while the world is kinda in an economic recession and people already don't have the money for a $500 console

let's just keep the performance level as it is for a while, until we either get a significant increase in performance for a similar price point to where we are OR they decide to go search for the blue ocean

maybe PS6 will be a hybrid, who knows

[leaden kiln]

Yhh hopefully

[tame roost]

Yeah makes sense

[fallen herald]

Both ps6 and Xbox series successor are rumored to be out in 2027, would expect to see 3rd party ports for switch 2 struggling/cut down after that

[clever geyser]

Wonder how long the switch 1 will hold switch 2 back, looks like Nintendo are doing a lot of exclusives though

[wind belfry]

maybe looking worse on Switch, but even if those successors come out, where are we going at this point? like scalability is a thing and the Switch 2 is honestly powerful enough to be kept in the game IMO

[fallen herald]

More compulsory raytracing games for one

[wind belfry]

nobody is going to play that game, raytracing shouldn't be required to run a game

honestly only game that does this shit is indiana jones iirc

even FF7Rebirth ditched that stupid idea

[fallen herald]

Tougher cpu requirements that the switch 2 may have trouble handling (there are already games struggling on the Ryzen 3600 class cpu in the PS5/series x).

We will see how stuff like baldur gate 3 and dragon dogma 2 perform on the switch 2 if they ever release it.

[fallen herald]

I don't see it becoming a thing for all games, but definitely going to have a larger portion of similar games by 2027

[wind belfry]

honestly, it's lunacy what games are pushing for... I have a brand new and quite powerful PC and even that isn't doing 4k at 120fps on max settings with FF7Rebirth... but the game runs on a freaking Deck, so scalability is there

[glass turret]

Can game studios just chill on the technological advancements and concentrate on good gameplay, bug-free experience that has a storyline that takes longer than a day to finish?

A polished turd is still a turd

[wind belfry]

I would like some power to be used for enemy AI

Ubisoft gave some fine examples on how it shouldn't be done with their recent games

[fallen herald]

Inzoi is quite interesting, to see how their smart zoi stuff goes. Still in the very early stage but maybe a direction future games will take.

[leaden kiln]

Not really ps5 been disappointing when it comes to their games same thing with xbox even tho xbox been trying that 2023 was a blow for them

Switch 2 however their first party games look great already and we are seeing more devs being excited for it

[fallen herald]

I am not talking whether the games are good, what has that to do with what I post above?
I am talking how 3rd party ports (if successfully ported) will fare on the switch 2 around that time?? 🤷‍♂️

[leaden kiln]

They would be fine I mean switch 1 was fine I expect the same thing for them in fact I expect devs from 3 party ports being more than switch 1 era

And we don't see anything different from ps4 era it's only small games I can say has blown me away

[latent vortex]

we are in the beginning of a graphical fidelity plateau

switch 2 will diverge less than switch 1 did because unless gpus get a ton better there isnt really much headroom to improve right now

[heady snow]

No game's graphics have topped cyberpunk 2077 for me so far

[proper bear]

We're bordering on an uncanny valley precipice I'm not sure I want to go over

[zealous saffron]

Beginning? The plateau started with the 360

[leaden kiln]

I would say Alan wake 2 that shit look beautiful but yet to play it of course

[heady snow]

Haven't played it yet but it does look really good

[latent vortex]

we stopped really doubling after ps4

4k/60 was a lie

[heady snow]

Daniel Owens made a really good video on this actually

[proper bear]

Yeah. There's always performance gains. Being able to run 4k/120 would be pretty awesome. Lol. But I'm not sure graphics really improve so much as lowering power usage and upping smoothness

[latent vortex]

add in the huge resurgence of people liking sprite artwork more than 3d a lot of the time

switch 2 will do just fine as long as games are good

[leaden kiln]

Exactly

[heady snow]

For instance, comparing spiderman ps4 and spider man 2 ps5 there's not a big difference

[proper bear]

Yeah. Indie game popularity is always my supporting evidence for gameplay and story being more important than just turning graphics up to 11

[latent vortex]

yes, i have played fun games regardless of graphics mroe than pretty ones

[proper bear]

Artistic style too

[leaden kiln]

I'm so glad because indie games really show me that 7/6th generation energy to me again

Rollerdrome is my favorite one

Fuck Take two we could got physical release for rollerdrome 🥺

[proper bear]

Yeah. It was a refreshing addition to the game market. Stagnating in CoD repeats would have only gotten more boring and boring

And I love the occasional CoD

[leaden kiln]

Another game I think should get love is el paso elsewhere

And Trepang 2

https://x.com/lisciasty_/status/1908058312517542275?t=v5Zv0Bl9D28-I2rIl1pkIA&s=33

Leszek Krupiński ⭕️ (@lisciasty_) on X

Since I was asked about that quite a few times - yep, Cyberpunk 2077 on Switch 2 will support Cross Progression, so you can exchange your saved games between platforms.

Online Services Team is on the watch! ;)

#cyberpunk2077 #NintendoSwitch2

X · Apr 4, 2025, 7:25 AM

[sudden agate]

Younger kids' childhood: new super mario bros wii vs nsmbu

[glass turret]

Yeah I mostly buy/play indie games now. My faves in the past few years have been Dave the Diver, and Dredge.

Eventually I’ll get around to playing Animal Well

Just gimme a good story and solo gameplay

[proper bear]

Dude. So good

[open osprey]

My god

So many comments straight up being like

"Switch 2 is DoA, Steam Deck won the war"

What War?!

[glass turret]

Different target demographics

You can give a child a Switch 1/2 and they'd figure it out easily and be able to hold it fairly comfortably. A Steam Deck is more complex and a damn brick

These people seem to forget that they're a minority

[proper bear]

Yeah. I've avoided every online switch 2 discussion besides communities that can run 2 braincells together

[latent vortex]

then why are you here?

[glass turret]

Oi. We've got at least 3 braincells!

[open osprey]

Hmm

1 1/2

[leaden kiln]

People are funny nowadays

People don't realise that it's not available for everyone

It's only sold 4 mil

[proper bear]

We have at least 2.5

I just dunno why people build up such emotions for this kind of stuff

People like spending their lives online trying to dunk on a company. No thought process involved

[winter pecan]

https://youtu.be/weEp9IGwot4?si=rUmoyQmY3qjvD3sz

[proper bear]

This guy is basically me

[heady snow]

Switch 2 will probably be better for lighter titles and exclusives, and pc handhelds are better for more demanding games

[proper bear]

Anything optimized for the switch will likely just have better battery life too

I mean in the end that's the plus of a console

Not that some haven't made an effort for steam deck

[heady snow]

I'm not so sure about the big games like cyberpunk and elden ring tbh, I hope I'm wrong but those will probably get around 2 hours

But for indies definitely better battery life

[proper bear]

I mean cyberpunk is in a world of its own on any system XD

I mean they've worked out most of the issues now

But what I was thinking of was games developed to run on new consoles. Not necessarily older games ported to new consoles.

[compact sable]

Won the war of selling less units across 3 years as the Switch 2 will sell in a month?

[proper bear]

And the war is on 2 different planets anyway

[pale ivy]

Steam deck oled has pretty solid battery life on lightweight games. That 6 hours max battery life the switch 2 is claiming doesn't bode well imo

But I think it's a better choice than making it as chonky as the deck, I imagine a lot of people playing for extended sessions will be docked anyway

[wind belfry]

Switch will never be able to do 4k/120 tho, given how it doesn't has HDMI 2.1

4k/60 or 1080/120 (or anything in between really) will be the limit

that being said, with the most demanding games on max settings even a higher end PC is already struggling to push for 4k/120... yet the difference between low and max settings ain't so apparent that it would matter to the average Joe to run something like FF7 Rebirth in 1080p/30 on the Switch 2 as long as the resolution ain't dropping on their feet

[open osprey]

Me fr fr

[wind belfry]

i would be way more excited about PC handhelds when Valve comes around with a Deck 2

tho they probably won't for quite a while, nothing really would be a significant update right now

I mean there are sure more powerful options, but it's not a "generational" leap IMO

[compact sable]

I’m interested in seeing the Z2E. It might be the Deck level of performance and efficiency at 1080p

[wind belfry]

I'm fine with my Ayaneo Slide for now, damn chonky piece of shit

[compact sable]

Lol

I’m waiting on the Go S Z1E personally or the Ally 2. But I’m concerned about the Ally 2 price, even with Xbox it might be pushing 900

[wind belfry]

It would be nice if Valve would pull a minor upgrade on the Deck, like a Deck+ or something, just giving what they have out there a bit more oomph, but there is lil point in grabbing something less performant than what I already have

[proper bear]

Yeah. Probably better they don't shoot with 4k/120 considering the power needed to push that anyway

4K/60 is def a much bigger net

I mean I'd love a SD2. But it's not like it'd compete against the Switch 2 for me anyway

[leaden kiln]

I would say some games would be looking nicer on switch 2 because optimized

[wind belfry]

it's not about competing, but we already see Cyberpunk running worse on a more powerful x86 handheld as the Deck than the Switch version, Nintendo simply has the advantage of the games getting optimized, so I would like a bit of extra power to get similar results for 3rd party games on PC handhelds

[leaden kiln]

I would say If it's run nice and I want for switch 2 I would get it but most of them deffo on steam deck

Since I never owned a switch again I want that switch pro

Both of these would be mwah delicious

[timber steppe]

Sd2 would be in 2 years is my guess

So 5 years later

[leaden kiln]

SD2 would be bit lighter but more powerful

[timber steppe]

Eh

I don’t think weight is a problem

We have the newer battery tech

[leaden kiln]

I'm sorry if sd2 get 80whr battery it's over

Or even 65whr

[round sparrow]

part of me wants a lite version of the steam deck

[leaden kiln]

Yeahh same specs as og deck and arm if they can do arm

[zealous saffron]

I think strix halo's on chip memory and wider bus is the ticket to an actual generational leap on the GPU without increasing TDP from the deck 1 apu, just all the off the shelf strix halo stuff are massively oversized on the CPU end of things - but a new custom AMD apu that pairs the strix halo architecture with a low tdp 4 core cpu side again would give us a good deck 2.

They may be waiting for ARM instead though.

[timber steppe]

That will probably be it

[round sparrow]

arm would be a gargantuan undertaking since all of the steam library is programmed to run on x86

it's ambitious enough that the thing runs linux and is actually GOOD

[heady snow]

That'd probably convince me ngl

[zealous saffron]

valve is already working on integrating box86 (x86 -> arm translation layer) into proton

[timber steppe]

They should do a steam deck lite with an arm chip

[pale ivy]

I like the idea of arm deck but is it actually more efficient at power?

[timber steppe]

Also Winlator runs great

[timber steppe]

Look at the switch

[heady snow]

It would most likely be lighter at least, would take up less space too

[zealous saffron]

Winlator is just wine and box86 preconfigured for android, just as proton is currently wine preconfigured for linux gaming and soon also including box86

[timber steppe]

Just an example that arm chips got power

[leaden kiln]

Amd can do make same specs but with arm for steam deck lite and I would have that as my only pc handheld no joke

[round sparrow]

do AMD even make any arm chips?

[leaden kiln]

I don't care if it's even Amd I need that shit but again og deck is good enough it's does everything you need to do really

Especially for old games and indies

[timber steppe]

40wh battery and 6.5 inch screen for deck lite

Perfect

[heady snow]

Eh I'd want a 5 inch screen tbh

6.5 is a little too close in size

[leaden kiln]

Not 6.5 would be better

[timber steppe]

Not gonna sell well

[heady snow]

That's barely lite atp

[round sparrow]

I wonder if you could get something like a snapdragon x elite running games well

[zealous saffron]

I mean a deck lite could use an off the shelf snapdragon - the 8gen2 is roughly as powerful gpu wise as the current deck while running at a lower TDP, an 8gen3 is actually even more efficient and 40% better in terms of 3dmark wildlife extreme scores.

[timber steppe]

No it’s not

[leaden kiln]

Mmmm

You are not wrong

[zealous saffron]

the 8 elite is already slightly higher max wattage than the deck apu, the x elite is a laptop chip that draws way more power.

[timber steppe]

Talking 2 years from now

[zealous saffron]

8gen3 is already 40% better wildlife extreme gpu bench with a max draw of 11w

[timber steppe]

Cause that is most reseaonable launch of the next deck

[timber steppe]

Than what?

[zealous saffron]

than the deck 1

which is roughly equivalent to the 8gen2 in terms of benchmarks

[timber steppe]

I remember running ff7 remake on Odin 2 at a locked 30

800p I think

[zealous saffron]

via winlator?

[timber steppe]

Yeah

[leaden kiln]

Yep

[timber steppe]

Almost a year ago

[round sparrow]

that's wild

[zealous saffron]

you're gonna have some emulation losses in winlator or other translation layers unfortunately

[timber steppe]

Still crazy peformance

[heady snow]

barely a difference

[timber steppe]

Assuming the new deck is gonna be an 8 inch panel

As I don’t think it will be a 7.4

[zealous saffron]

I'm all for 8" 16:10 if that gets us better than 800p (1200p probably) and doesn't result in the whole device being any bigger (just shrink the bezels)

[heady snow]

neither would be pocketable, I'd rather the 8 inch tbh

[timber steppe]

Ones smaller

Which people will care about

[heady snow]

i couldnt understand why if it's barely more portable

[timber steppe]

Steam deck and steam porch

[zealous saffron]

I can't see anything that runs PC games being actually pocketable unless the 'deck lite' is like a 6 inch clamshell

which tbf I would be all aboard

[heady snow]

gpd win mini and air 1s are somewhat close, though that's why I'd prefer it to be arm based

[timber steppe]

The steam porch not deck lite

[round sparrow]

gimme a clamshell steam deck, I'd eat that up

[heady snow]

still, probably wouldn't walk around with a win mini in my pocket

[zealous saffron]

yeah a deck lite/deckbook mini/steam porch or whatever you want to call it that's basically a gpd win mini but smaller and with no thumb keyboard would be dope

if they can do 7" at 30w surely valve could do 6" at 10-15

[pale ivy]

They could keep the same size screen and shrink the steam porch down by getting rid of the touchpads

Dual wield clit mice could replace them

While improving functionality and aesthetics

[zealous saffron]

I like the idea of a clamshell 6" 'steambook' so it can keep the exact same control layout as the current deck

[sudden agate]

I wonder if chuwi would make something similar to that concept

[zealous saffron]

the main issue is that nothing on the market exists as an off the shelf chip that can actually beat/match the deck apu atm

everything is either higher wattage or unsuitable for a gaming device

people would be big mad if they paid for an 8840u but it was locked to 15 watts because it didn't have the thermals to go up to 28, vs valve using either the same custom APU or a new one also designed for the 5-15 watt range.

(or an arm chip like the s8g3 meant for 3-11 watts)

[proper bear]

Winlator is good. But it'd be interesting to see Valve roll their own fork of it

I like that valve does a lot to optimize for their specific hardware. Would love to see them optimize for arm on their terms

[zealous saffron]

yeah I mean it should be much more seamless

since valve can actually bake it into the OS and their client etc

android is still a hacked up phone OS at the end of the day

[proper bear]

Yeah. For sure

[novel latch]

That war was over before it even began

[novel crystal]

thinking about it the battery life claims of the switch 2 nintendo has said is strange

it should have better battery life then nintendo is claiming so I am confused why nintendo gave the numbers it did

[silent otter]

What makes you think Nintendo gave out wrong battery life claims?

[novel crystal]

well the switch 2 has a bigger batter then the switch 1, the switch 2 has its soc on a newer node then the switch 1 soc, and the switch 2 chip in handheld should still be super downclocked

if the switch 2 does not have better battery life then the switch 1 that should be cause for concern

[heady snow]

Maybe those were taken with the 120 hz refresh rate

[novel crystal]

if the switch 2 has poor battery life due to bad component selection well that would be not great

[heady snow]

Because yeah 2 hours isn't great

[novel crystal]

would be nintendo being nintendo almost

also hopefully nintendo doesn't run into the joycon drift issue again

[heady snow]

It would be hilarious if it happened a second time

[novel crystal]

well more sad

[heady snow]

That too

[proper bear]

Easy to end what never existed except in the minds of perpetually online

[latent vortex]

https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-switch-games-free-switch-2-upgrade

[waxen basalt]

this meme is so overused now

it is simply not possible to have leaps like that anymore

gaming is reaching it's peak

[south notch]

Technology has come so damn far

it's nigh impossible for it to make such leaps even by a third

[undone fox]

Yep

[sweet cradle]

if the switch 2 doesn’t have this when transferring from switch to switch 2 I’m not buying it

[uncut swallow]

as much as people joke amd hated WiiU ... i love this

[waxen basalt]

The wii u is actually great and I don't think people who used it before hated it

[waxen basalt]

main complaint was lack of games

Nowasays I can only think of like 4-5 games that are worth having a wii u for.

But then again cemu is much better than all of the switch emulators

so in a lot of cases wii u releases might prove to be better to use

[wind belfry]

I'm honestly conflicted about moving my stuff from the Switch to the Switch 2... I have like 500gb of downloadable content on that console and even with the biggest Micro SD Express card, that would be half the space... already gone 😅

[sweet cradle]

I only used like 50gbs of space on my 256 gb card

[wind belfry]

the madness

I just hope Nintendo comes to their senses and allows for harddrives to be used on the dock at some point, like literally any M.2 storage connected via an USB port would be fast enough anyway

[wind belfry]

reasonable? lol GBP is kinda expensive really

like you literally pay the same as we do for the base version of the console

also for the games

[sweet cradle]

Atleast Mario cart isn’t 80 bucks here

[wind belfry]

75gbp are 88€, so basically the same price as in the rest of the EU

$80 are 62gbp

albeit that price is not taxed in the US

so it's basically the same anyway if you apply 20% tax to the 62gbp price point, you are back at 75gbp

nothing saved, nothing lost

Nintendo fucks us all equally

[manic lantern]

Are the games lower priced in Japan?

Everyone is talking about the console being cheaper but I've yet to see one image of the actual cartridge pricing.

[stuck viper]

Honestly I could see switch 2 flopping in the West, but still doing well in Japan

If tariffs stick and the console is 600 usd with 100 usd games it's dead on arrival in the US at least

Only the rich and the most loyal of loyal nintendo fans will spend that much especially in this economy

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie it's true but it's kinda expensive

[leaden kiln]

Maybe us when it's fine they have to hold that

But I don't really see nintendo mostly increase the price idk

[manic lantern]

Well it seems like Veitnam is in talks with Trump to remove it. Lotta countries have announced they are willing to work with the US. Including Taiwan, possibly because Trump called them a country and it pissed off China more.

[leaden kiln]

I mean nintendo fans was not happy have you seen the protest 🤣🤣🤣

[manic lantern]

Well assuming Veitnam can nullify the tariffs, Nintendo is gonna have to reduce prices.

[leaden kiln]

Which it would be extremely good if they can bring down around $399 mostly

It would be good

[manic lantern]

I think Nintendo has forgotten who their market is like back when they overpriced the 3DS and had to go reduce it by $100.

[leaden kiln]

They don't really care because again they had someone who was people champion

To western market

[stuck viper]

That would be a crazy pr win for nintendo. Tariffs get dropped completely,

Then nintendo can take off the 10-20% price inflation

And suddenly people are hyped and excited again

Mario Kart World can then be 70, and donkey Kong 60

[manic lantern]

I don't even understand that pricing.

[leaden kiln]

It's like how sony had shuhei yoshida and shawn layden sony is greedy as hell

[leaden kiln]

What the console or game prices

[manic lantern]

Donkey Kong looked more like a $70 game than Mario Kart World but I guess it could be due to it being a different character as the star instead of Mario.

Mario Kart World they are going to nickel and dime you with dlc and season passes too.

[leaden kiln]

I mean mario kart world is completely different I mean it's first time they even done an open world

In mario kart series

Donkey kong is valid as well

I like how nintendo got something for everyone

Sony used to be like that sad times

[manic lantern]

Oddly there was no high res update for Xenoblade Chronicles X that just released.

[stuck viper]

I just did the math, everything for the switch 2 is priced 15% minus/plus a dollar or two. Higher than what was expected

This applies to the games, console, and accessories

Then nintendo decided to price match globally outside of Japan to prevent scalping,

Considering it's all a flat 15% increase across the board. That's probably what they thought the tariffs would be.

Not 40-50%

[leaden kiln]

Exactly that would be the cause

[stuck viper]

If the tariffs are removed by next week

All nintendo has to do is just lower the price by 15%

The greed will come in on whether they think they could get away with these prices anyways

And will just take the extra profit

[rain ginkgo]

What makes you think this will happen

or is that just hopefulness

[leaden kiln]

I mean not really because Europe already pre order the ting

[leaden kiln]

It's hopefulness

[stuck viper]

Honestly the extended gameplay footage of mario kart world has me underwhelmed

Like it just doesn't seem like it has enough going on to justify 80 usd

[leaden kiln]

They have a direct of mario kart world

[manic lantern]

Mario Kart World looks like they just put an open world there without thinking of content to add to it.

[stuck viper]

Guess we'll see if they are hiding some stuff. But we've probably already seen the vast majority of the games features

[leaden kiln]

What content you think would make sense for mario kart

[stuck viper]

Yeah the straight driving sections in between the tracks just feel like filler more than anything

[manic lantern]

It should have various side things and mini games.

[leaden kiln]

I'm sure they would be mini games

[manic lantern]

Similar to the midnight club games.

[leaden kiln]

Or forza

[manic lantern]

As in it's focused on staying within the world. Based on video it's still very menu driven for some reason.

Japan loves menus too much.

[leaden kiln]

I can't blame them

[manic lantern]

To start a race you should drive over to X area for this and so on.

[leaden kiln]

It's does look nice still

[stuck viper]

Hope, just because some countries like Vietnam have already started talks to get them removed

[leaden kiln]

Let me be honest game prices but the console price kinda justified the price as much we Don't like to hear it like

Again if they can bring the price down it's win win

But if they don't then it's okay

I know people would piss when I said that but it's their next gen boost if they didn't even include hdr 120hz

Which I'm still shocked

The price would be lower

[stuck viper]

The fact that the games are also 15% higher than what they should be, and the jump of 400 to 450 is also a 15% increase makes me think otherwise

An extra 50 dollars for a one time purchase isn't earth shattering but 400 was that goldilock price point imo

[manic lantern]

$450 for the console is actually quite reasonable. It's on par with a Steam Deck in performance, possibly bettter due to dlss and native code being able to push it.

[leaden kiln]

That's I'm saying

[manic lantern]

However!

[leaden kiln]

However

[stuck viper]

I won't lie for screens this small, if you look at phones and tablets. Most have high refresh rates now. Even budget phones.

[manic lantern]

That's only in the sense of the Steam Deck market and the small vocal crowd that wanted a switch pro.

Nintendo is looked at as a child's toy essentially.

[stuck viper]

Switch 2 is a 50% price increase over switch 1

[leaden kiln]

Which it's fine btw specs speak to their self

[stuck viper]

Which is kinda wild you can say "inflation inflation"

But the thing with tech there's the factor that faster technology always gets cheaper with time

[manic lantern]

Well that doesn't quite apply as much anymore due to us hitting a wall.

It's become too difficult to shrink the die size like we used to be able to for huge performance gains each generation. Now there are tiny leaps and software adjustments.

[stuck viper]

Apus like the switch use have made incredible progress.

Switch 3 will likely use unified memory if I had to guess

[open osprey]

Tbh, between countries talking to nullify tariffs and congress actually getting off their ass for once and pushing to nullify alot of trump's tariff power, we might see something change by the next couple weeks. No guarantee tho, but hey

[manic lantern]

I think they are too afraid to go against trump but they are super worried about losing the 2026 mid terms.

[open osprey]

It be nice to have the Switch 2 at 400. 450 is still solid tho

[manic lantern]

If Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security and Food Stamps are screwed with then they will lose it.

[stuck viper]

It's to the point in the budget sector buying a mini pc with laptop components is more cost effective than building a comparable pc at lower budgets

[manic lantern]

You can't remove money from food stamps when people can't afford food.

[leaden kiln]

It's still solid but hopefully nintendo doesn't increase the price for you guys sake

[stuck viper]

They'll remove them and then replace it with nothing

I won't lie the current welfare in the US is extremely broken and ineffective.

[open osprey]

Its actually why I invested in a Mini PC. APUs are getting incredibly good for P2P, which is making them a killer investment for thing workstations and smaller gaming/emulation rigs

[manic lantern]

Well APU's were really exciting until AMD decided to charge too much for them. Then the whole point flew out the window.

[leaden kiln]

I was thinking about getting mini pc than steam deck if I'm not going to bring with me

[sudden agate]

I love mini pc. Even the savings on the electric bill is worth it.

[manic lantern]

Strix Point and Strix Halo laptops and mini pc's are stupidly priced.

[open osprey]

Which still baffles me why they would screw themselves like that

But greed is a powerful thing

[manic lantern]

It's because Intel is far behind in integrated graphics.

[leaden kiln]

Way behind

[manic lantern]

Greedflation. Companies got used to it and that's just how it is.

It only works for so long though.

[stuck viper]

Only difference between a neo con and a corporate Democrat at this point is corporate democrats likes policies that seem to do something so the people think they are getting a win, but actually makes the problems worse or do nothing at all.

Neocons just want the US to basically just be a libertarian economic zone with a huge military to defend it, and funnel more money to the donors with military industrial contracts

[manic lantern]

A lot of food companies had to lower the prices after Walmart straight up told them that they will not stock the products anymore because consumers can't afford it.

[clever geyser]

Greta if tarrifs go again but don’t think the prices will drop below the msrp that’s been given

[stuck viper]

Greedflation is the perfect name for it and nintendo is 100% guilty of it

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie I wouldn't blame nintendo for that

[open osprey]

All three are guilty of it

Lets be real

[stuck viper]

This is true

Totk being 70usd was pure greedflation

[leaden kiln]

But extra guilty of free demo

[stuck viper]

It's essentially botw dlc

More expensive than the original game

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie people was buying that shit

24 million copies which damn nintendo got aura like that

[stuck viper]

Nintendo charging 60 for every wii u port

Also greedflation

[manic lantern]

Well no I think that's reasonable. No one played those games on Wii U really and they did go back and clean them up. So $60 seems fairly reasonable.

[leaden kiln]

I think people don't understand like adults love nintendo because of good games they been consistent with good games

Look at Sony situation

Spider man 2 solds like 11 million

[manic lantern]

Now Hello Kitty Island Adventure Deluxe for $60? Well that's a bit sus for $60 pricing on a Apple Arcade port. 😛

[leaden kiln]

Hey hey don't let hello kitty fans hear you

And don't forget about women as well because they love nintendo games than ever

If it's not their pc it's nintendo

[stuck viper]

Some games sure

A lot of them not really

[brittle schooner]

Specially when they can overcharge for other stuff in the future and go unnoticed. If i really wanted those extra 10 bucks they're charging , i would half ass a remastered Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 and half ass Mario Galaxy sequel for 100 bucks and sell it as a bundle or sell just the solo Mario Galaxy for 90 bucks

[leaden kiln]

Hell throw all mario kart series collection

That's would really sells like hot cakes

Or bring metroid prime 2 and 3 including metroid other m

[brittle schooner]

Do a remake of A Link To The Past with the same engine of Link's Awakening

[open osprey]

Nah nah, Minish Cap

Or both

[brittle schooner]

Both , so i can charge $95 for the Minish Cap bundle

[stuck viper]

Honestly I'd prefer an oracle remake

[brittle schooner]

That will be $110 for the bundle

[stuck viper]

HAHA

Honestly if they remade oracle, I'd assume they'd basically stitch both games together

Dual releases only really work for pokemon

[manic lantern]

That new Pokemon game looks really boring.

[leaden kiln]

Not fan of Pokémon only time I love Pokémon was on ds days

[manic lantern]

They sacrificed ability effects just so it can be open world battles but it looks like playing a Pet class from an MMORPG in the early 2000's.

[iron apex]

https://youtu.be/1zeSe86oXp0?si=rb2h-L_TJXVK8CZA

Say less

[stuck viper]

Last pokemon game I cared about was black and white

[iron apex]

Can’t wait to play stuff that’s not an emerald or fire red hack or a badly optimized new main title

[round sparrow]

I have a spicy take, I think sword and shield are over-hated

I think they're way better than either gen 7 or 9

[open osprey]

Tbh, you aint wrong

[round sparrow]

I would even put it above gen 4 if it wasn't for heartgold and soulsilver

[stuck viper]

The switch pokemon games look like ps2 games

[iron apex]

Okay let’s calm down for a second

[stuck viper]

Genuinely unacceptable

[round sparrow]

I actually don't like sinnoh lol

[iron apex]

Also there is no way sword and shield is better than ultra sun and moon

[stuck viper]

Honestly pokemon should of went 2d hd instead of 3d

[round sparrow]

I never played USUM, I heard they just exacerbated my problems with the originals

[stuck viper]

Game freak clearly aren't capable of making modern 3d titles

[round sparrow]

god no, I think HD2D is an ugly trend and octopath traveler needs to pay for its crimes

[stuck viper]

Sinnoh is OK, unova is far better

[round sparrow]

gen 5 is the best gen

followed by gen 3

[stuck viper]

I think gen 3 is a little overrated

[manic lantern]

Well actually there is a lot of demand these days for pos2 style graphics and gameplay. If it was a really good game then the style would be fine. However, Arceus just looks ugly af and clearly had a dev team without any skill. PS2 games look better than that blurry overused shader mess.

[iron apex]

Gen 3 gets carried by the battle frontier

[open osprey]

https://youtu.be/weEp9IGwot4

[stuck viper]

Honestly it's hard for me to play any pokemon games without the physical special split

[leaden kiln]

🥹🥹🥹

[round sparrow]

for me it's the disposable TMs

I always end up hoarding TMs pre gen 5 because I don't want to waste my precious earthquake TM

[stuck viper]

Gamefreak is literally the size of larger indie studio. Rather than the actual AAA studio they should be

[iron apex]

TM26 my beloved

[stuck viper]

They own 33% of the most profitable IP of all time. They can afford to scale up their teams

[timber steppe]

Why does everyone think the switch 2 is gonna jump in price

[stuck viper]

I see everyone blame nintendo / the pokemon company for not "giving gamefreak enough time"

[round sparrow]

gamefreaks issues is that they are too obsessed with senority, they rarely bring in new talent so a lot of the people there started on gameboy architecture but have struggled to move past that

[stuck viper]

It's definitely a part of the problem. But game freak could work around it by staffing up

[timber steppe]

I think the original price was 400 and then they did 450 because of tariffs

[round sparrow]

they need more time and manpower

[timber steppe]

If it raised any more they would get way too much backlash

[stuck viper]

Honestly game freak did their best in the DS era

Those games are very polished

[round sparrow]

yeah, though it's a shame that gen 3 ran at 60fps and those games ran at 30fps

not the end of the world for an RPG

but it showed a decline even back then

[rain ginkgo]

I think there's a good chance it will be more than 450 for our American friends

[stuck viper]

I'm guessing nintendo didn't think the tariff would be so high and went with a 15% mark up outside of japan

[blazing void]

Odin 2 Portal

[stuck viper]

Tariff being 40% threw a wrench into everything

[timber steppe]

Highly doubt it

[timber steppe]

Isn’t it a 40 percent from Japan

[round sparrow]

the tarrifs would probably necessitate a higher price

[timber steppe]

Japan was 330

[iron apex]

Wait it’s 40% ?

[rain ginkgo]

Why else would Nintendo say they're reassessing the price if not to raise it due to tariffs?

[manic lantern]

46% tariffs on Veitnam.

[round sparrow]

it was over 40% for vietnam, where a lot of these things are being produced (likely to avoid the tariffs ironically)

[sweet cradle]

well done trump

[iron apex]

I’m curious how this will turn out

[timber steppe]

I mean it makes sense why he’s doing it

[blazing void]

Matches what they do to us. I honestly expect these to come down fast as other trade deals are negotiated.

[stuck viper]

This is harsh to say, but honestly I don't think game freak were ever really that skilled. The game boy pokemons are a genuine mess. And they needed Iwatas help on Gold & Silver

[iron apex]

US feeling 1% of the pain Europeans felt their whole life

[timber steppe]

But I don’t think he can solve the national debt in 4 years

[stuck viper]

At least in the programming aspect

[blazing void]

Gotta start somewhere.

[timber steppe]

I’m saying why try at this point

[stuck viper]

If tariffs stick they will have to, but I don't think the tariffs we be here for that long

[proper bear]

$600 is unlikely. $450 had tarrifs built in. It also had likely expected tarrifs increases. I mean it came the same day they knew Trump was excited about announcing more. Think they just underestimated scale. Think if they do increase it'll be another $50. Max $100 but I doubt it

[manic lantern]

Wasn't the whole idea behind VAT that essential services like power, food, etc are not taxed but luxry goods have a high tax to compensate?

[blazing void]

The other option is let it burn down and that’s no bueno

[open osprey]

Actually not 100% true. Iwata did help, but it was for minor things, never the full game itself and optimization.

[stuck viper]

Didn't even say the compression myth

[proper bear]

I mean don't get me wrong. $500 for the base is still a lot for this console. Still might kill it

[stuck viper]

Needing help from the exec personally isn't a great look tho

[open osprey]

I wasn't even referring to that tho

[proper bear]

Bro. He's already increased the national debt. Lol

[brittle schooner]

They would probably do that , they did that with Zelda before. I really want to see what they will do for it on the S2

[round sparrow]

there's probably conversations going on at nintendo whether or not they pivot to a loss leader model for the switch 2 in the US

[proper bear]

National debt ain't going nowhere under trump but up XD

The whole point of this "experience" is to give more tax cuts to the rich

[blazing void]

There’s a lot of inertia. Not saying he’s perfect, but I’m happy he’s trying

[round sparrow]

the stock market crashing just means the rich can now buy up stock for cheap and reap the benifits when it bounces back, a tale as old as at least 2008

[proper bear]

The crazy part is you think he cares about national debt

Heh

[brittle schooner]

Always thought they had a Wii vibe , you are correct
Sometimes , just sometimes Bananza is giving me that vibe too tbh 😂

[iron apex]

In theory yes, but in practice essential stuff got taxed anyway because it’s easy to do and a reliable revenue stream

[stuck viper]

What nintendo should do is delay pre-orders to see if the tariffs will stick before committing to anything

[manic lantern]

I think that's what they are doing now.

[iron apex]

Wasn’t there something specific going on with gold and silver? Like they wanted to do more with the second region but there wasn’t enough space on the cartridge

[open osprey]

That's the compression myth

[proper bear]

Dudes "empire" is literally built on debt. Dude loves borrowing money

[stuck viper]

It's more complicated than that.

[open osprey]

Borrowing, but never paying

[proper bear]

Haha. Yup

[stuck viper]

He was doing compression but apparently it was for animations and sprites

[blazing void]

That’s what the federal govt has been doing for 50 years. It’s caught up with us and it’s time to pay the piper.

[proper bear]

I mean to be fair. Why pay country X when we can just annex it or go to war, ahem, canada

[stuck viper]

But he saved so much space they were then able to add in kanto

The myth is that they couldn't fit the entire johto map and needed his help to do it

[proper bear]

Your just convincing yourself at this point. It's pretty wild. What have we exactly "paid" so far with all the cost savings XD. We haven't paid any of it down. It's just increased

[iron apex]

Is this still speculation or did big Nintendo leak last year reveal something new

Like when we found out they wanted to implement 3d in the ds games

[round sparrow]

nintendo have wanted to implement sterescopic 3D into their games since at least the 90s

[iron apex]

And we found out bdsp wasn’t supposed to be lack luster chibi remake

[round sparrow]

they made the virtual boy and they also had some prototypes of luigi's mansion running in 3D

[blazing void]

Oh man. Virtual boy

[iron apex]

But the working studio was forced to rush it with minimal investment

[blazing void]

That’s a blast

[manic lantern]

sterescopic 3D gives me a headache. 😐

[round sparrow]

BDSP could have salvaged sinnoh, but alas

[iron apex]

There was like actual game data on it

[proper bear]

I love seeing virtual boy ROMs. And I'm like...

[manic lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/red-color-favorite-color-simon-pryce-red-wiggle-gif-15016424

[proper bear]

Haha. Was red like required to make it work? It was so damn hard to see sometimes, and I'm not color blind or anything

[round sparrow]

it was the cheapest colour they could use at the time

I remember reading that if they wanted to implement green into the mix, it would have cost them hundreds

god knows how much blue would have cost

[proper bear]

Those damn primary colors

Always costing so damn much

[blazing void]

Same

[round sparrow]

I personally liked stereoscopic 3D and am a little sad to see it die out

[stuck viper]

I honestly have a soft spot for the 3ds 3d affect

[proper bear]

I mean I loved it on 3ds. Still think it's one of the coolest things. I didn't always play with it on. Depended on game too. But it was dope

[round sparrow]

I had it on maybe 40% of the time

probably more

what's cool is playing emulated 3DS games on a big screen in VR, the 3D effect looks great that way

but it's also quite a cumbersome setup lmao

[proper bear]

Still wish they'd bring it back somehow

[round sparrow]

it's ultimately not a very popular tech, unfortunately

[proper bear]

Yeah. True. Would be kinda wild on modern games

I know it's resolution limiting too tho. I think

[round sparrow]

the issue with it is that you have to render the scene twice, which is naturally taxing on the hardware

there's an alternate universe where nintendo didn't go the stereoscopic 3D route, and we got higher resolution screens instead

I'm curious what that universe would be like

[wind belfry]

it's fun because they will be hit with around 50% tariffs on the console price.... so basically $350 (production cost) + $175 vat.... and naturally a bit of profit for Nintendo and the retailers... so about $600 should do

[round sparrow]

if the current tariffs stand, they'd be making a loss on these consoles if they sell it for under like 600 USD

[iron apex]

Perfect usage of the Kirby popcorn emote

[round sparrow]

there's likely conversations going on at nintendo on whether or not it'd be worth making a loss on the consoles and making that money back on the games

[wind belfry]

no chance in hell, Nintendo refuses to make a loss on hardware

[round sparrow]

I think they did briefly when they lowered the 3DS price by $100

[manic lantern]

They will sell it at or near cost if they have to though.

But they got used to profit from day 1 on the Switch.

[round sparrow]

they've been selling their consoles at a profit since at least the DS and Wii era

[wind belfry]

they always sold them at a profit

[round sparrow]

apparently the Wii U was sold at a loss

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20095125

[iron apex]

At launch?

[round sparrow]

it would seem so

[wind belfry]

welp, Iwata ain't in charge anymore

that mad man sold brand new AAA games for 35bucks at launch

[pale ivy]

Maybe the switch 2 is being sold at a loss

[proper bear]

Honestly have my doubts it's $350 production cost. Unless someone has an actual breakdown based on MOQ.

[pale ivy]

Wifi 6 and 256gb internal storage costs add up quick

[proper bear]

It's also funny cause there's a very real chance UK and EU prices increase as well because of this. Just FYI

Its why trade wars are dumb

[manic lantern]

No, all the options they chose were old tech to save money.

[wind belfry]

based on the region locked Japanese version being about that much, it should be pretty close tbh

Nintendo ain't a charity, so I doubt they sell with a loss even in Japan, but it should be a break even price there

[manic lantern]

Japan is probably slightly above cost.

[proper bear]

Nah. They're still making profit there. It'll just be slim. I'm guessing $300 is probably the cost

Per unit

[pale ivy]

Cost per unit to manufacture, or design?

[manic lantern]

I'd suspect even less. Closer to $270. Nintendo aren't for charity.

[proper bear]

Cause I mean you order 20K of a component and it's way cheaper than ordering 2K of the same part

[round sparrow]

god I miss iwata

[wind belfry]

I mean obviously $350 already is including distribution and stuff within Japan, so yeah the sole production cost should be lower

[round sparrow]

nintendo had such a character when he was in charge

[manic lantern]

Who were those lifeless drones on the nintendo direct anyways?

[round sparrow]

they're the lead developers of the switch 2 hardware

I actually think it's cool that they got to show it off, it's their baby

[manic lantern]

Well that makes sense. Telling the nerd from the dark room they got to go do a video.

[proper bear]

But yeah. They'll use other regions to offset high US tarrif costs. Def a chance everyone just gets fucked, as US is their biggest single country buyer.

So instead of charging us $600. Everyone will get like $525 or something

Not saying that'll make it a success. But it probably makes more sense for them

[manic lantern]

Hrm.. Well they didn't cancel pre orders for EU/UK though.

[round sparrow]

yeah I wouldn't be so sure of that

[proper bear]

Preordered through Nintendo direct?

[iron apex]

Why would they

[stark flicker]

If they will increase prices in other places, it won't be at launch as preorders were only paused for usa

[proper bear]

If it's not directly through Nintendo it doesn't count

[stark flicker]

But I definitely expect global prices to increase by Christmas if USA price increases

[pale ivy]

Original msrp only available for first shipment*

[leaden kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cartoon-mad-angry-smoke-dragon-gif-16061905

[proper bear]

Retailers operate at the whim of the manufacturer. If prices change they'll cancel orders, ask for more, or just charge extra more for future buyers, assuming they think they can offset

[manic lantern]

I'm kind of scared if we get manufacturing back in the US.

[proper bear]

Heh. I wouldn't worry about it. It's not the real goal

[leaden kiln]

Impossible that shit would be hell

[proper bear]

Yes. This whole situation is very dumb

[iron apex]

Might happen, but not over night

[leaden kiln]

Plus they haven't canceled our pre order

[round sparrow]

if that happened, your $1100 iphone which will now cost $1500 due to tariffs will instead cost $2000

[iron apex]

I also don’t see orders get cancelled

[proper bear]

Nintendo hasn't come up with a new price yet. They're not just going to throw out sales willy nilly. Especially if they can report preorders to stock holders

[stark flicker]

Or over this decade. Heck if USA wanted to mass manufacture printers it would take more than a decade just to satisfy local volume lol

[leaden kiln]

Yet they already up to curry and other uk stores to pre order

[proper bear]

[round sparrow]

I've managed to pre-order a mario kart switch 2 for £430 from smyths

[manic lantern]

And it will be even shittier than a Chinese product. You have to see and feel a US manufactured kids toy to understand it's at levels that even China won't go to.

[proper bear]

Preorder is just a way to invest your money sooner

Everyone wants factory jobs back until they realize how much factory jobs suck. Especially if they reduce minimum wage

[round sparrow]

factory jobs are just not as feasible in a country with labour rights laws

not impossible, mind you

but it's just often cheaper to outsource that labour to a country with worse labour laws

[manic lantern]

There is a US plastic company that makes kid's kitchen playsets and imitation tonka trucks. The plastic is so thin that cardboard would be more durable.

[proper bear]

Lol. We aren't even honoring constitution at this point so we ain't that far off

[pale ivy]

Not when you charge 400% tariffs on those countries

[proper bear]

They're already reducing min age in some states. Great factory workers children

[round sparrow]

that's generally the point of tariffs in the first place, but it does ultimately end up making the product more expensive for your own citizens

[manic lantern]

This is an illusion. If factory jobs come to the US it will be all AI and machine manufacture with trained engineers having to code the systems.

[proper bear]

Haha. That's the other side

[pale ivy]

Wouldn't that be a good thing?

[round sparrow]

it would be if there were other jobs to offset the loss of those jobs

[manic lantern]

How would this be better than having China do it?

[round sparrow]

but there aren't lol

[manic lantern]

China workers will eventually lose their jobs too.

[pale ivy]

Lol nobody cares about poors, we just want the best stuff

[proper bear]

We had a dream. One day AI and robots would take our place, we'd have 3 day work weeks, and taxes on those places for non-human workers would provide us with UBI, and we could pursue our own interests. But that doesn't mesh well with capitalism

A lot of visionaries and pioneers of these things saw that as the endgame. Now it's all used to take creative positions away from humans, downsize, and take this whats and increase their workload. Funny how it actually worked out

[manic lantern]

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6568346c-7c5f-4251-8f2a-be9209b6b33b

[wind belfry]

I would call if naive at best, but honestly outright foolish vision

[proper bear]

In a capitalist run world def

Why have slightly massive profits when you can have massive massive profits

The human greed factor is a real bitch

Once you let billionaires into governance there's really only one direction it can go

Why it's funny so many impoverished people cheer for them. As if we'll all be billionaires in the end. Guess with hyperinflation we might all be 😆. The 1% will still just be that much higher, or they'll just leave

Anyway. It's the reality we live in. Time to tighten the belt and pray that they spread the margins and we in the US only have to pay $50 more for our toy

[wind belfry]

fuck that, pay your own bullshit, if prices around the world go up we will come after you guys

[proper bear]

Hey. As long as you take out the right targets I'm all for it 😆

[pale ivy]

Oh no, England will conquer america

[proper bear]

Unfortunately if it goes that route markets will be collapsing everywhere

[wind belfry]

enjoy the Wolfenstein future

[proper bear]

Replacing one capitalist gov with another results in the same endgame unfortunately

[heady snow]

Do I at least get a cool suit

[proper bear]

Only if your part of the economic elite to start. Gotta up your grind

[wind belfry]

no

[pale ivy]

What results in a better way forward?

[heady snow]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[timber steppe]

I mean every president has money so

He’s trying to fix an issue that will still be an issue

[proper bear]

Shit. That's. A good question. Haha. Wealth spreading, social programs, worker led government, etc. It doesn't have to be outright communism. New Deal was an OK start

There were still very wealthy people back then

Once the focus is on making more money it only really trickles up

[pale ivy]

Who decides how the wealth is spread? The issue is that people drawn to power tend to be corrupt

[proper bear]

Education is a massive cornerstone of making any of this works. Its why demonizing education and higher education is such a strong tactic

[proper bear]

Yeah. I mean we're probably at the point of no return short of revolution. You'd need laws. Stronger punishments for public office. Not weaker. Etc.

[leaden kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-hell-yeah-oh-yeah-oh-really-excuse-me-gif-11637087054086707757

[proper bear]

Like the fact that Rick Scott was the largest defrauder of Medicare in history and is now a senator is pretty wild

[pale ivy]

Not only did the majority of people choose the most corrupt individual, they couldn't come up with someone better from amongst themselves

[proper bear]

Well majority of people who actually voted. Think there will a higher turnout after 4 years of everything costing massively more, inflation and other stuff. That's if we have another election. So step one is get to another election 😆

But yeah. It'll be interesting to see if the billionaires losing money in investments or a recession might get them to influence the dropping of tarrifs

Depends if he even listens to them anymore

I guess Congress might be able to reverse them

Might not have to wait 4 years for a cheaper switch 2

[wind belfry]

I mean, if the Dems haven't learned anything from the last election, you guys get JD as the next president regardless of the lil trade wars Trump started

[pale ivy]

I'm kinda okay with billionaires losing money in investments.

[proper bear]

If he's still alive I think Trump will have JD deported before that happens 😆

Also it may not be evident overseas. But people here on both sides think JD is a tool. Elon as well

After the Wisconsin thing Trump's gonna push him out. Guy who had 6 bankrupted companies hates losers

[round sparrow]

JD has the charisma of a wet blanket

zero energy on that guy lol

[proper bear]

Yeah. Would be the least of my concerns if he was the option. Lol

Can't tank an economy and then throw him up and expect a win

But yeah. Probably skipping most handheld purchases until some sanity returns. Whenever that is. Even put in a couple orders to try and make it under the wire

Switch 2 for holiday release would have been a wise choice

But it might just not have been ready

Like last holiday

[round sparrow]

de minimis gets axed in may, so you'll want to do it before then

[proper bear]

Yeah. They "should" make it in time, or I'll just cancel

[wind belfry]

last holiday would have been lunacy, why maul Switch sales when you can roll out for us greedy fucks at the start of the year and have stock for the holiday purchases

[proper bear]

Because if holiday prices are still high it's gonna be a sad Christmas

[round sparrow]

I was personally expecting a march launch like with switch 1

[proper bear]

It's not like we'll all suddenly be rich by mid year XD

[wind belfry]

announcement would have had to be made to soon after the holidays, could have resulted in returned Switches...

the Wii U was already dead
the Switch is still selling

better launch a few months later
also probably more games ready by then as well

[proper bear]

Maybe. I still think $600, or more likely 5 something will be a hard sell. Maybe if it was the only price increase people will experience this year

But like food, insurance, transportation, etc. will all be up in the next 3 months

[pale ivy]

If I was Nintendo I'd shoot for $600 on the switch 2 and just keep selling switch 1

It works for Playstation

[wind belfry]

it always goes up and nothing Nintendo really can do about the tariff situation

gotta sell the Switch 2 at $600 and the Switch 1 OLED at $400, guess most people will see that as an easy upsell

[proper bear]

Well they could have released earlier when people had more money. I mean it's not that easy. They clearly had a timeline. Nothing they can do if shit isn't ready

[round sparrow]

no-one can really predict these things

the release timeline is likely decided at least a year in advance

[proper bear]

Yeah. So I mean I can't hate on them. The IF possibility might have been enough of a driver to push things forward tho

[round sparrow]

releasing earlier in the year so there's stock for the holidays worked for the switch 1, so I'm not surprised they're doing it again

[proper bear]

In a stable world it's def the way to go

I guarantee another reason to reassess costs is they likely are reducing manufacture

[round sparrow]

and at the end of the day, this should only affect the US market, but we'll see

[pale ivy]

When will EU and UK bros realize that America makes things cheaper for the entire world just by buying them?

[proper bear]

Reduce manufacture. Buy less components. Higher component cost. Higher base unit price. Etc.

[proper bear]

Haha. We do subsidize costs

Most people have the thinnest grasp of economics tho. Especially global economics

[round sparrow]

it's really complicated, no country exists in a bubble

[proper bear]

Its why most actual economists are like, well this is fucking horrible. Lol

"but the educated elite can't be trusted!". Ah. Ok. I see what they're doing there

Like it all makes sense if you slide it all together

Why I avoid all the hot takes (which are now the normal takes) when it comes to Switch 2 and social media. Nobody really understands any part of it. I don't understand all of it for sure. But a lot of people struggle thinking beyond their home town let alone world

So when gov officials are like "the world is taking advantage of us" and just show flat numbers everyone is like "oh dang, gotta be true"

As if we don't profit massively from global trade

[round sparrow]

generally everyone benifits from global trade

[manic lantern]

I don't think you have seen any debates with him. JD Vance is an extremely smart attack dog and even though he doesn't agree with Trump's entire agenda, he's playing the long game to be next in office. I don't agree with his entire policy but if Trump had a heart attack we would probably see more cross party negotiation come back like the old days.

[round sparrow]

there are obviously downsides in some areas, like importing steel might become cheaper than producing it in your own country

[round sparrow]

I've only ever really seen him doing public speaking, where it feels like he's an atmospheric black hole

and then seeing him arguing with zelensky that one time made me want to scream at him to just let the man talk for 5 seconds

[proper bear]

I dunno. If orange man passed, distortion fields might break. Basically whatever he says is gospel. Electric cars were (homosexual), everyone hates electric cars, now they're great! Base all buying electric cars.

Funny as he guts charging stations too. It's a weird world

[round sparrow]

But only THOSE electric cars, you know the ones. Every other EV is still cringe.

[proper bear]

Who knows. If he kicks elon maybe they'll be bad again. Whelp, now I got a go sell the cyber truck I just bought...

I don't think JD has any kind of pull like that

[round sparrow]

Yeah he doesn't have a cult of personality

[proper bear]

How you get people who are like "yeah, I lost my job and Medicaid, but I'd vote for him again, cause he's making America great again!"

Every politician must be so jealous at this point

Need to get him to do a Nintendo ad in White House driveway 😆

"so much computer!"

[pale ivy]

I don't think Nintendo contributed enough to his campaign to get that sort of treatment.

46 and 49% tariffs of vietnam and cambodia where apparently the switch 2 is manufactured

[round sparrow]

was Furukawa at his inauguration? didn't think so

[proper bear]

Sure the few jabs at Japan over the years haven't helped. One of our strongest post-WW2 allies

Japanese pride and their businesses go hand in hand

[pale ivy]

Supposedly the US got a shipment of 383,000 in January. If more come in before anything goes into affect it may not be that big of a deal.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/03/rumour-nintendo-may-have-already-shipped-a-boatload-of-switch-2-units-to-north-america

[rapid dawn]

If true they may have shipped them. Such a large quantity implies it's by Boat, it can take up to 50 days.

[high barn]

That requires the Wii U to even matter as a console for the ports to not just be considered pure switch games in the public eye.

[high barn]

No, I also blame Game Freak Execs. Game Freak’s devs actually legit have to be pretty damn skilled to be able to constantly make their games with only 2-3 years of dev time and only around 60-80 people teams, the issue being that no amount of skill will solve the issues that come from the unholy combo of time crunch and improper management (plus the fact that the literal only assets they ever seem to reuse are UI Sprites and the Pokemon models themselves and even those were remade for ScVi, so you also have that adding more needed dev time that they arguably outright don’t have).

[proper bear]

Maybe we'll get an animal crossing with actual multiplayer at some point

[brittle schooner]

Ehhh don't know about manufactured electronics but guitars manufactered in the US declined in quality , a lot actually. I mean the big ones like Gibson and Fender. A $6.000 Gibson custom shop today is a lottery gamble to see which defects it will ship with

[manic lantern]

Ya. Then there is the New Balance shoes aimed at nurses that cost $150+, are made in the USA and fall apart within 6 months.

[proper bear]

Even back when we were a manufacturing powerhouse we made some garbage stuff. We just also made good stuff. And competition helped. We'd go through a long period of monopolies before that ever happened. If we ever left the monopoly era

With no protections we'd just have monopolized factories producing cheap garbage

[undone fox]

or actual depth

[manic lantern]

I'd think they will make it better than last time after everyone complained.

Although who knows.. Capcom released MHWilds with the most jank 10+ year old multiplayer design.

And 5000000000000 sub menus.

https://tenor.com/view/slam-head-frustrated-annoyed-i-wanna-go-home-gif-17951705

[proper bear]

For someone with younger kids the depth is fine. But for everyone not the primary it's a crap experience

[undone fox]

yep 😄

i put 60 odd hours into it over 2020. i had fun but cant really call it a good game

[proper bear]

Changes from me trying to instruct them on how to do stuff while they run into a brick wall, to my character standing behind them while I do the same

I could be primary. But then it's constantly "why do I have to follow you, why can't I run into this brick wall, but also build cool stuff!"

[open osprey]

Tbh, while it felt more complete with the DLC, New Horizons was a fine game, but definitely a step down from New Leaf

[proper bear]

Don't suppose there's more complete multiplayer? 😆

Bout to buy 2 XLs

[open osprey]

I did like the terraforming and customization tho from NH

[open osprey]

I don't remember, since I really played during the last days of the 3ds solo

[hushed igloo]

Even if Valve comes out with a Steam Deck 2 it won’t change the fact that it’s a complement to the switch for me

[open osprey]

Tbh

It really is

[hushed igloo]

Yes,a lot of people use it as their only (and put Yuzu on it to play switch games) but that idea makes me ill

[open osprey]

Tbh, people are thinking Switch 2 will be easily cracked like Switch 1, but I don't think it will

[hushed igloo]

It better not be cracked that easy

[wind belfry]

even if it is, the power of a Deck 2 wouldn't be enough to run Switch 2 games

[heady snow]

You don't want it to be cracked?

[open osprey]

OH AFTER HOW QUICKLY IT WAS FOR SWITCH 1, I DOUBT IT WILL BE THIS SOON

[open osprey]

Not immediately

[hushed igloo]

I do not,not at all

[novel latch]

It'll be cracked eventually

It's not a matter of if

[wind belfry]

Nintendo put enough power into this thing that it runs equal to an PS4 in handheld mode, gotta give it to them at this point, it's quite unlikely to be emulated any time soon, because most people don't have sufficiently more powerful hardware

[novel latch]

It's a matter of when

[heady snow]

Only top end gpus could emulate it really

[novel latch]

In fact y'all remember when the Switch 1 got cracked... On release day... Now that was crazy

[open osprey]

And I doubt it will happen again

[hushed igloo]

Which are more expensive then the console itself 😈

[iron apex]

That event ultimately lead to even the switch 2 emulating switch 1 games instead of running them natively

[wind belfry]

would be fun if I drop MK World into Yuzu and it would run on my PC

[heady snow]

And could probably run it better tbh

[wind belfry]

I wouldn't necessarily claim THAT tbh

[iron apex]

I guess using the source code from yuzu und ryujinx as well as native code execution works better than optimizing games for switch 2 hardware

[wind belfry]

like okay if there is something like Elden Ring running natively on your PC that technically can emulate Switch 2.... it will be max settings 4k and probably more than 60fps

but emulating the Nintendo Switch 2 version... ehhh

[heady snow]

Okay the ps4 is not that powerful lol, bloodborne has terrible issues and can be run way past 30 on top end pc builds

[hushed igloo]

My point is cutting corners by emulating has it’s pitfalls

[iron apex]

Might be a low ram issue

[wind belfry]

you gonna run the handheld mode on your PC?

[heady snow]

Depends on the game

It's hard to say because ps4 emulation still has so many issues regardless of power

But if a switch 2 emulator were hypothetically designed and functioned well, I think high end pcs could probably run it better

[wind belfry]

I mean, knowing the entitled fucks that think they have a right to play the newest Nintendo games without paying for them a week before release, Switch 2 emulation will probably come around before PS4, but it should still take some years

[heady snow]

That new fromsoft exclusive is definitely going to raise demand for an emulator imo

[pale ivy]

I hate entitled people not willing to pay $90 per game

[wind belfry]

nobody forcing you to buy it

[iron apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457672688656187392/1279480118925987870/IMG_3759.gif