Switch 2

[rustic orchid]

I bet it would have been 399

[round sparrow]

I'm just saying this because in the US they don't include tax on their display price like we do here

[pale ivy]

How is UK cheaper than us?

[leaden kiln]

Good thing I can get this in store and pay 395 without shipping

[manic lantern]

Our tariffs are now worse than VAT.

[void cloak]

I'm considering just importing a Japanese only Switch 2 and hoping we get language hacks at some point soon

[round sparrow]

not a great idea imo

[void cloak]

I think it's like usd 350 or so

[slow flint]

some games' text language are tied to system language tho (and you can only use JP nintendo account)

[rustic orchid]

Assuming patching is a bad idea

[leaden kiln]

It's not cheaper but it does have benefits in the end of the day

[void cloak]

Why do you think so?

[rustic orchid]

Is discord messed up? I keep responding to the wrong comment

[compact sable]

Yup, don’t expect any hacking scene for a very long time

[round sparrow]

you're betting on something that's not guaranteed

[void cloak]

Sure, true

[compact sable]

Isn’t the 349 one also priced on a weak yen so buying and importing one after exchange rates is basically a wash?

[rustic orchid]

I'm betting that nintendo made sure the security on the new SOC isn't nearly as bad as V1 is

[pale ivy]

395 vs 450, seems cheaper. As an American I demand to speak with the manager

[void cloak]

But I'm betting on it getting hacked anyway 🙂

[rustic orchid]

They won't make that mistake again. Bet you 5 bucks

[compact sable]

They didn’t even make the mistake again with the V2 model

[round sparrow]

likely, but it could take years

[rustic orchid]

They'll propbably even make it hard to modchip

[rustic orchid]

It took ages for the PS3 I believe. Vita too

[compact sable]

Keep in mind the modchips only worked because they already had all firmware and system dumps from the OG model.

Without that it probably still wouldn’t exist

[rustic orchid]

Indeed

[slow flint]

it is way more trouble than just dealing with the system language for what ultimately might not even be worth it

[void cloak]

It's a big unknown, but it being so popular means lots of hackers will give their go

[pale ivy]

What if nintendo didn't change anything to prevent piracy, and they're just charging so much for games to make up the difference?

[leaden kiln]

I would say you guys can get used stuff cheaper than us

[pale ivy]

Ggg Nintendo

[round sparrow]

yet with all these hackers, they've yet to hack the V2 switch

[void cloak]

I'm not afraid of doing a little soldering

[rustic orchid]

That would be dumb on their part. Unless they want a US SC ruling over emulation

[pale ivy]

Not cars, yalls are like half the price of ours used

[rustic orchid]

I mean, they have also sued a bunch of people

[round sparrow]

are you comfortable potentially having a JP switch 2 for a couple of years before it POTENTIALLY gets jailbroken? meanwhile revisions of the switch 2 could come out, price drops COULD also happen in this meantime

and you'll be stuck with a region locked switch that you might not understand the language of

[leaden kiln]

But electronics especially laptop you can get better deal than us

[leaden kiln]

Get ready to learn Japanese

[compact sable]

They only know what and how to solder because of the unlocked V1. Not to mention how to bypass the firmware after it’s chipped.

All of that is due to the V1

[void cloak]

I'm just playing around with ideas. I bought a 1st revision US switch and a 1st revision japanese switch. I know a bit of Japanese, but by far not enough to enjoy games in it.

[void cloak]

fair point

[round sparrow]

日本語は難しいです　

[slow flint]

I know basic Japanese and have a Japanese Nintendo Account. And I still am not gonna buy the Japanese version.

[round sparrow]

my japanese is rudementary, too

I know kana and maybe a couple hundred kanji

it's enough to get me around menus for the most part, but I couldn't play an RPG

[slow flint]

same

[zealous mason]

Did anyone watch the treehouse?

[leaden kiln]

Is that mean japanese is difficult

[leaden kiln]

Nah

[void cloak]

same, but I know Hanzi instead of Kanji :p

[round sparrow]

ya

[leaden kiln]

Yh I'm not getting Japanese model 😭😭😭😖

[zealous mason]

So many people spamming drop the price on games 🤣

[void cloak]

Maybe I should get a Chinese Switch 2, unless that also has BS language restrictions

[round sparrow]

good, I hope they listen

[zealous mason]

They won't

[pale ivy]

I hope they don't

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie I don't blame them

[round sparrow]

I know that a lot of people got switches from hong kong since they were cheaper there

[slow flint]

Hong Kong has the same International version as everywhere else. Switch 2 is not launching in mainland China tho

[void cloak]

oh really

[pale ivy]

Switch dev has been basically abandoned, you've gotta give people a just cause to fight against. $90 games seems good

[void cloak]

I thought mainland was over their console aversion

[leaden kiln]

Oh yhhh

[slow flint]

The Tencent one kinda failed miserably so I doubt they will do it again

[void cloak]

why isn't Nintendo all over that untapped 1B people market?

[slow flint]

Foreign games took forever to get approaved in China

[untold flame]

Wait so the switch 2 handheld has no active cooling?

[round sparrow]

it's a difficult market to get into, since they're already dominated by mobile and PC gaming

[round sparrow]

it does

[slow flint]

And even when they get approaved it could be a censored version

[untold flame]

Ah so there are already cooling holes that the dock will tap into

It'll be a monster of a fan

[slow flint]

so people in China just defaults to buying HK version anyway

[compact sable]

I wonder what the TDP is going to be docked. That’ll be the interesting one

[round sparrow]

if there's active cooling in the dock, I imagine it'll be higher than switch 1s

[void cloak]

https://m.price.com.hk/product.php?p=658057&tr_so=m&tr_ref=sr_A&tr_kw=switch2&tr_srch=rb&tr_srchesn=2&tr_srchest=73&tr_srchqat=84&tr_srchcnt=812&tr_pp=1&tr_pn=1&tr_ti=15&tr_ct=2&tr_h=105160207467eed5d9107210_30837644&tr_h3=157800567667eed5d9103ec4_12798279&tr_vt=1

no point of comparison yet

sorry for the long link

[pale ivy]

It's nice that the battery still only takes 3 hours to charge even though they added over 1000 mah capacity.

[leaden kiln]

They does

[slow flint]

it's gonna be 3,499 HKD in Hong Kong

[untold flame]

Super charging on the OnePlus is crazy

[leaden kiln]

But 3 hours sounds bit idk crazy to me

Is it same thing for switch 1 when you guys charge the device

[void cloak]

Even with an import, I would save around 10%

[pale ivy]

5220mah, that's 220 MORE than the Odin mini and RP5

[heady snow]

Only?

I'm pretty sure pc handhelds charge faster than that

[pale ivy]

But can pc handhelds play switch games?

Checkmate

[compact sable]

My guess is they tuned it for battery longevity

The ROG Ally inhales battery life

[slow flint]

I think it will only make use of the charger fully when it is docked

[heady snow]

As if they're not going to make a revision in two years anyhow

[compact sable]

When I sold mine after like 6 months I was down under 90%

[pale ivy]

Yep 2 to 6.5 hours

[compact sable]

Oh I meant charging speed for lifespan of the battery

[heady snow]

That's about the same as the rog ally x tbh, for an arm handheld that's not great

[slow flint]

for handheld it's probably more like 20-30W charging

[compact sable]

Those faster charging chargers do so at the decrease of the battery (physical battery) life

[heady snow]

I get they need to keep it light, but I would've preferred around an 8k mah battery

[leaden kiln]

To be honest it's mad that they did only 19.3whr battery

[pale ivy]

8k mah is crazy, that's as much as the Odin 2/portal, and they weigh 100 grams... less

[slow flint]

wait actually the 3 hours is for when it's in sleep mode, right? It might charge much faster when the screen is on

[leaden kiln]

And it's simliar battery life to steam deck

[heady snow]

The battery efficiency is pretty crazy for what it can play, just wish they took advantage of it a little more

Battery upgrade mods incoming I hope

[leaden kiln]

I know they had to balance the device

Also it's crazy that nintendo had difficult with backwards compatibility with switch 2

[odd scaffold]

WHERE IS BROTHERSHIP PLEASE ENHANCE BROTHERSHIP OH GOD YOU NEED TO ENHANCE BROTHERSHIP

I'm really afraid the middling reception to Brothership is gonna make them afraid to touch it again but it's a good game, it just needs a performance patch!!!

[zealous mason]

IDK if anyone posted this but..

[rustic orchid]

So it is back to the days of the SNES

[rustic orchid]

Really? I heard the gameplay was meh

If people ding it on performance I really don't think that justifies a completely low score

LOOK AT YOU IGN

[proper bear]

It's almost as if a global economy reduced prices

[odd scaffold]

It's just not well paced

[zealous mason]

Did they price hike really bad during the launch of SNES?

[proper bear]

NES got up to $50. Many were $20-30. SNES was $50-60

[heady snow]

These prices are so random

[rustic orchid]

$80 bucks for Chrono Trigger back in the day

$84.99 at Toys R Us

[leaden kiln]

Kirby is 80 how

[rustic orchid]

Push people into NSO to get the upgrade fo free

with sub

[leaden kiln]

Nintendo is really smart cheeky company

[rustic orchid]

It's also a "Nintendo is winning" cycle, so they are going to be evil this time around according to reddit / discord

[compact sable]

Performance should improve on Switch 2 just by nature if it being more powerful

[leaden kiln]

Let me be real they always been evil when it comes like this shit

[rustic orchid]

Nothing is as bad as the PS3 launch.

[rustic orchid]

That is a water mark that hasn't been hit for a reason

[rustic orchid]

Yuppers

That chart makes sense

[leaden kiln]

Ps3 on launch I didn't even know it was that bad properly the reason my mom bought me ps2 😭😭😭

[leaden kiln]

This shocked me but I'm not surprised at the same time

[leaden kiln]

It's same shit with ps5 pro

[rustic orchid]

Games used to be based on what they put into it.

Now it's just Ubisoft: $70, EA: $70

Then they get another 40-60 through passes and DLC

[leaden kiln]

I never bought EA or Ubisoft in full price in my life

[rustic orchid]

Mass Effect 2 + 3 for me on launch

Not that AAA gaming is worth it anymore.

It's all mostly garbage.

Indie, AA is where it's at

[leaden kiln]

I think indie or aa remind me of 6th and 7th gen era

Just pure fun

[rustic orchid]

Xbox 360 era was so good

Gamecube had nonstop bangers

[leaden kiln]

Xbox 360 and ps2 and ps3 was only console I put my full hours on it with different games

[rustic orchid]

PS3 didn't have much until later. They had to fire everyone from the executive to get that ship turned around

[compact sable]

Yeah. I’m fine if that sort of style occurs again.

I’m fine paying $90 or $100 for BotW or TotK or Cyberpunk as it sits today.

I’m not fine paying over $50 for something like Links Awakening in the state it is today

[rustic orchid]

Ideally we are past the point of optimization / hardware holding back. If it's gonna be shit due to developer, they deserve the bad reviews

[leaden kiln]

Yeah true

[compact sable]

A really great game deserves a higher cost

[leaden kiln]

Absolutely

[rustic orchid]

I'm okay with this.

[compact sable]

Well not even optimization but also features, hours to complete etc etc

[rustic orchid]

Xenoblade X 2 is going to be $150

[pale ivy]

You'd pay $100 for a port to the switch 2 that sells on pc for $25-30 on every other platform

[rustic orchid]

Don't buy ports.

Only first party. That is the cure to that problem.

Nintendo first party is worth it to me. Maybe not everyone.

[compact sable]

I really only own Nintendo properties on Switch

Including things like Hyrule Warriors and such

[rustic orchid]

Unless I can grab a cheap copy in a discount bin. Got a few of those

But the vast majority were $50 / $40 Nintendo games on the slight discounts they give.

I did see Super Mario RPG is like 20 bucks now for some reason

https://www.ign.com/articles/super-mario-rpg-spring-sale-deal-2025

[pale ivy]

Nintendo games you don't get a lot of options, I'm just saying that paying that price for cyberpunk is a bit extreme

[leaden kiln]

It's some games from thrid party games that I Want to get but mostly on them I would get on xbox series s or pc

[compact sable]

The cheapest I’ve seen the ultimate edition of 2077 is 59 I think. Pretty sure it’s never gone on deep discount

[sudden agate]

If you bought Mario Kart 8 on Wii U you could get another game for free. I got Wind Waker HD.

[rustic orchid]

A lot of people are Console only / Nintendo only.

It makes sense to get the blockbusters on the console.

[heady snow]

Yeah I paid like $35 for cyberpunk ultimate edition

[rustic orchid]

I won't buy it, but someone who only games via that one device will want to experience it too.

[compact sable]

I think it depends. If the Switch is your only console then having these AAA and AAAA games available is a benefit. An extra $20/30 for the game is worth it vs the extra $500 for a PS5

[leaden kiln]

Not really they have full physical cartridge editon only ps5 doesn't have full thing

[rustic orchid]

They fit all of Cyberpunk into a S2 cart? Nice

[leaden kiln]

Yes

So only ps5 doesn't have full compete edition but xbox does as well

[rustic orchid]

Any reason for that?

Both of my latest gen consoles are just dust machines

[compact sable]

PS5 has the ultimate edition

[leaden kiln]

Yeah but not all of it in the disc

[rustic orchid]

Weird

[leaden kiln]

You still have to download the phantom library code

[compact sable]

Oh gotcha

Yeah that doesn’t bother me at all since games get updates post launch anyways now so really what’s the difference

[rustic orchid]

Spooky books

[leaden kiln]

So only xbox and switch have full thing on physical disc/cartridges

[rustic orchid]

Partial installs require on device storage. 20 GBs will nom right into that 256Gb

Post updates might be a gig or two

[compact sable]

Yeah that’s fair

[open osprey]

For me, Nintendo games usual hold their value cause they are Usual good time sinks for my money. I buy everything else via Steam/GOG

[leaden kiln]

One thing I'm thinking is will EA is going to release star wars jedi survivor ps4 or ps5 version

[compact sable]

But then how could they sell their partnered (and certainly getting kickbacks) SD Express cards

[rustic orchid]

They do hold their value. And they are usually more desireable than any other first party.

Nintendo does timeless pretty well in their tentpole franchises

[novel crystal]

Let's be honest most of Nintendos stuff holding value is due to Nintendo trying to force it to hold value

Nintendo games are not perfect

[rustic orchid]

No, but they have a track record of family friendly fun and creativity.

[novel crystal]

Alot of them are decent or good but not the Pinnacle of perfection

[rustic orchid]

That doesn't exist in any medium

[novel crystal]

The way Nintendo forces game prices to hold is ridiculous and anti consumer

[rustic orchid]

Nintendo polish is pretty unique.

[rustic orchid]

Anti-consumer would be paper launches. This is just market value for IP.

[open osprey]

Yes and no. Alot of Nintendo games are actually worthwhile to play, with some being revolutionary for their times, but I think its also more the consumer that gives them that value and holds them to this ungodly high standards too outside of themselves.

[rustic orchid]

Anti-consumer isn't just because they price it more than you value it. It's been used too much.

[real imp]

Just remember SNES games back in the day were $70 for some.

[rustic orchid]

I think the Ally X is too much money for the value.

[leaden kiln]

It's sad that half of third party games is going to do game key card

[compact sable]

That anti consumer Astrobot game is still $59.99 too

/s <- in case it’s needed

[rustic orchid]

Doesn't mean it's bad. or anti consumer.

[rustic orchid]

They will do metrics on who borrows and who goes to buy the full game after borrowing

[untold flame]

https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendos-switch-2-treehouse-livestream-is-just-a-flood-of-angry-comments-shouting-drop-the-price

[rustic orchid]

Betcha it'll be pretty good data

[open osprey]

If only they knew

[untold flame]

The people care

This isn't just an unemployed redditor issue anymore

[real imp]

The real question will be.. What have they done to add additional controls on the console to stop hacking the firmware and how will they effect the community. I'm more interested in stuff like that

[rustic orchid]

You'd be surprised the overlap

[leaden kiln]

Of course but in the future people still want to have full physical cartridges to be playable which it's understandable

[real imp]

and how long will it be before someone does break the firmware.

[compact sable]

Probably not much, as long as Nvidia doesn’t drop the ball again it’ll probably be a non-issue for years

[rustic orchid]

Oh sure. But it's a method to give people semi cart borrowing without ruining licensing stuff.

It's a noble attempt at least. They didn't have to do that.

[real imp]

I think Nintendo has gone to lengths to additional controls to keep up from hacking the swith 2.. the way they protect their IP I think it would be TOP PRIORITY for them on this console

[rustic orchid]

I see it as a move as pro consumer as nintendo has ever tried.

[rustic orchid]

like stated earlier in the chat, the V2 Switch has yet to be hacked

[leaden kiln]

Which it's true they correct their mistakes from switch 1 because devs would be sneaky and put download code on it

[compact sable]

It is top priority but Switch 1 was fine as well. The issue was the back door into the SOC. Without that we likely wouldn’t have the modding community

[rustic orchid]

I believe it was on the Nvidia side.

Like completely dropped the ball

[compact sable]

It was a huge Nvidia issue

[real imp]

Yeah but also emulation. What will they do to stop us there. Once one person breaks the firmware it's likely they gain access to files needed to start an emulator dev up.

[compact sable]

It was present on the Shield as well

[rustic orchid]

I mean, emulating current stuff isn't important to me personally and feels just like any avenue for piracy.

[real imp]

absolutely

[rustic orchid]

I don't judge and i think it's a cool tech demo.

[compact sable]

I think you vastly overestimate what the modding scene could accomplish without the back door

[real imp]

but it's nonetheless a priority of nintendos to prevent

[rustic orchid]

But man, poking the bear with future court cases that could screw all of us

[leaden kiln]

To be honest nintendo always get hacked first and easy to do homebrew but let us see if they can manage to not get hacked in first 5 years

[rustic orchid]

I want Nintendo to protect themselves.

[leaden kiln]

When it comes to switch 2

[rustic orchid]

Otherwise they will come for all these devices again

[real imp]

I ultimately am all for them protecting themselves.. but reverse engineering a product to do more than it was intended.. to me... is preu fun.

pure fun *

[compact sable]

When the stores close, fine. Fair game.

I have big issue when the storefronts are still alive

[rustic orchid]

I get that.

[leaden kiln]

Unfortunately people talk too much if the switch 2 get hacked oh boy it's gonna be long day to emulation scene

[compact sable]

Community gets up in arms when anbernic includes some postmaster stuff but goes after switch leaks like glue sniffers.

It’s wild to me

[rustic orchid]

Yup. It's not rocket science here.

[verbal wing]

Official Nintendo site

[rustic orchid]

They kinda hate nintendo being the gatekeeper.

[real imp]

Anbernic has been doing shady stuff for years though.

[rustic orchid]

This is more of a IP law issue in china

[stark flicker]

don't think emulation will be as good this time around even if it gets hacked. When switch 1 launched its hardware was laughably weak, and pc/phone hardware was still improving close to moore's law.

Now switch 2 hardware is quite competent, and pc/phone/tablet hardware has kinda stagnated.

[rustic orchid]

Which is why Japan is so hardcore about it.

[compact sable]

My point was it is not ok to steal one thing under development but is perfectly fine for it if it’s Nintendo.

Not all the community mind you, but a significant portion of the switch modders

[real imp]

Current hardware should really never be emulated.. the switch was the exception

[rustic orchid]

ARM -> X86 emulation is weird.

Not sure what could handle that level of ARM performance.

I doubt the new AMD AI 395+ could do exactly the same thing

Because it's the only thing we can base off of.

[leaden kiln]

Ahhh idk it's would be fine but we don't know the equivalent to mobile chip

[rustic orchid]

Apples and oranges.

[real imp]

I'd rather hack a current gen device than emulate one

personally

[rustic orchid]

I'd mod one.

[real imp]

mod / hack.. same deal

[stark flicker]

the bottleneck will be cpu emulation as always, not gpu. so ai 395+ is basically the same as a 7840u on ally as far as emulation is concerned (kinda)

[rustic orchid]

Maybe a new screen or bigger battery.

[rustic orchid]

The new iGPU is great. It's gonna be hard to benchmark all of this

[compact sable]

It depends on what portion is raw performance. I’m not fully convinced that there isn’t heavy lifting being done by DLSS right now

[leaden kiln]

T239 is like rtx 2050 but it's downlocking

[rustic orchid]

DLSS is an effiency multiplier.

[compact sable]

I’m looking forward to Digital Foundry pixel peeping Cyberpunk vs console and PC.

That’ll give us the proper performance comparisons

[rustic orchid]

That low? Seems like DLSS (lovelace) stuff was added in

[leaden kiln]

Yes

But that's gpu

[rustic orchid]

So it's low raster / high DLSS RT

[leaden kiln]

Yes

[rustic orchid]

what a weird thing

[tame roost]

splatoon 3 is very conspicuously absent

[rustic orchid]

Splatoon 4 is coming

[tame roost]

yeah must be

wasnt sure if they were gonna do animal crossing first but i guess not

[leaden kiln]

So if they got hacked it would be full ass rtx 2050 but the battery life would suck

[tame roost]

(the same team does both)

[heady snow]

Monster hunter 6th generation portable game

[rustic orchid]

I think they need to get a new AC. NH had issues

[stark flicker]

the chips were originally for cars running self driving software. makes sense to load up on ml stuff for that.

[rustic orchid]

Yep. Seems like a lot of AI work helping make this stuff look beautiful. Probably not hard to repurpose.

I'm okay with that for a fixed console.

Now for desktop...i'm going 9070 XT at some point

[real imp]

My 3080TI is holding me up still. Processor made the biggest difference for me coming from a i9-9900k to a i7-13700k. I'd likely go AMD next time around though with the recent intel issues and AMD still trying tocompete.. I had a AMD 6700XT during the pandemic and it was really nice

[rustic orchid]

I have a 3080 right now. I want to upgrade since it's only 10GB of Vram

[real imp]

yeah 10-12 seems to be the low sweet spot right now.. I can see why you'd want to get up above that

[compact sable]

Yeah I’m still on a 3080 as well

Upgrading to the 9800X3D was a pretty large upgrade even at 1440

[rustic orchid]

I'm gonna either get a 9070 or wait on th 9080 xtx or whatever.

[real imp]

I play games like MSFlight sim and Star Citizen..both of which really use the VRAM

[rustic orchid]

I have a 5700X3D and don't feel the need for my CPU to upgrade at 1440P UW

My 3080 is hardly pushing 165Hz right now

[compact sable]

It didn’t do a whole lot for overall FPS (it shouldn’t) but it smoothed out gameplay considerably. Even with VRR

[rustic orchid]

Yeah I've heard.

[leaden kiln]

https://youtu.be/czUipNJ_Qqs?si=D3Ks9P3JHvWZF6oQ

[compact sable]

Stuff like Indiana Jones even at 4k went from 50-55fps to pretty locked at 60

And removed a lot of the choppiness

[leaden kiln]

This where df explained the t239 back to 2023

[rustic orchid]

oof

[leaden kiln]

So this could be an example of nintendo switch 2 performance and optimization

[sudden agate]

V1 Switch and its emulators skewed many people's perception and expectations about jailbreak and emulation of new consoles.

[rustic orchid]

People also just target nintendo because nintendo is litigious. I get it, but two wrongs don't make a right.

Best way to hurt a company you don't like it to ignore them and don't buy the product.

Otherwise it gets into nasty stuff. Like the current Telsa situation.

[sudden agate]

What I mean is many people somehow assume Switch 2 hack and emulation will happen soon, or the Steam Deck would emulate Switch 2

Just because how fast Switch got good emulators

[compact sable]

Yup

[rustic orchid]

People are dumb. Individuals are smart.

Expecting others to make things free for you is not a great culture.

[proper bear]

We are geniuses. So we got that going

[rustic orchid]

I think I'm smart enough to know that I don't know as much as I should.

[compact sable]

I can’t believe I haven’t seen more complaints about the biggest Switch 2 issue

Where are the damn colorways!!!!

[rustic orchid]

Colors

right.

[compact sable]

The Switch 2 is the McDonald’s of gaming.

They went from the playplace to corporate gray boxes with hint of color

[rustic orchid]

Their grey boxes historically are pretty awesome.

Gimme some of that NA SNES

I might wait for a "Console colorway"

[compact sable]

You don’t want to spend another $90 on a colored Joycon?

[proper bear]

Ah. The trait of a true genius!

[rustic orchid]

I'm getting one set of joycons

And they better last

I have 8 pro controllers

[compact sable]

I’m probably gonna order day 1 because of TotK and BotW and a little bit of Mario kart

[rustic orchid]

I don't need more

[compact sable]

Does anyone know if they switched to analog triggers?

[heady snow]

I kind of thought they would mention if they moved to hall effect sticks, but maybe they thought it'd be too technical sounding

[compact sable]

They did confirm Hall effect sticks

Someone confirmed that today but haven’t see triggers yet

[proper bear]

Yeah. They tend to tone down tech stuff in main ads

[compact sable]

I couldn’t imagine playing cyberpunk without analog triggers if only for driving

[tame roost]

yeah im thinking about day 1 for mario kart and zelda. i think im going to want it at least by the time prime 4 comes out tbh, ive been waiting so long for prime 4 that i want the better version

and 120fps or 4k is crazy for a nintendo game lol

[untold flame]

this is so disappointing

my goat has it right there

staring at me

i should buy a wii u

[tawny halo]

The only camera to buy

[open osprey]

I need to mod mines again

[untold flame]

you know how when you look at different parts of a thing you get a completely different impression of them

that camera looks like amongus

[open osprey]

hate

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie this could be bad idea

Camera one

[round sparrow]

it seems like you're able to use any USB-C webcam on this thing

I'm glad it's not locked to nintendo's overpriced first party one

saying that, I'll likely never use a webcam with my switch 2 lol

[open osprey]

I'll stick to Discord thanks xD

[round sparrow]

same

[open osprey]

Wanna shittalk my friends in MK World while also being able to hear them rage xD

[round sparrow]

even for streaming, I have a cheap capture card that works well enough for streaming to friends

[open osprey]

I am happy tho

Not all games will require an upgrade pack

Some are just free updates

Which is what I figured would happen

[round sparrow]

I'm sure that we'll see more games get updates in the future, too

[open osprey]

Older games will probably get free updates

While newer or games that Nintendo/Third Parties really wants to push will get upgrade packs

[sweet cradle]

what’s more disappointing is the battery life on this thing

[round sparrow]

it's on par with the original switch

I bet in a couple of years there'll be a mariko styled refresh that ups efficiency, giving a longer battery life

[sweet cradle]

nope

it’s worse

so much worse

[round sparrow]

it's not, v1 switch last 2.5 to 6 hours

vs the v2 mariko refresh which was more like 4 to 9 hours

[leaden kiln]

Not worse it's 2 hours to 6 hours

[sweet cradle]

I swear it was 4.5 to 9 hours

[leaden kiln]

And the power on it is crazy Watts that they are pushing it

[round sparrow]

that was the version with the revised, more efficient SOC https://hexus.net/gaming/news/hardware/132803-updated-nintendo-switch-offers-longer-battery-life/#:~:text=The new Nintendo Switch will boast a,- 6.5 hours according to Nintendo's reckoning.

[sweet cradle]

oh

still worth it

[leaden kiln]

Nah you right for v2 switch it was 4.5 hours to 9 hours

[sweet cradle]

handheld series S

[round sparrow]

I don't tend to play off charge for more than a couple of hours, so it's not the end of the world for me

and I also don't play demanding games in handheld mode often either, I prefer to experience those on the big screen

[leaden kiln]

You can push for more battery life to be honest

[sweet cradle]

I’m just gonna use the same bag that I used with my switch one for this

if the joy cons don’t fit I’ll just take them off and stuff them in

somewhere

[leaden kiln]

Now I can't lie it's only 19.3whr battery

And the more power and ram

For them to even 2-6 hours is crazy to me

On arm device

[sudden agate]

My "maybe patched" switch only lasts <2 hours playing botw

[leaden kiln]

V1 innit

[sudden agate]

OLED is much better

[leaden kiln]

I think it's more demanding games 3D would get worse battery life mostly 2 hours when it's better than 1 hours of rog ally

[minor bay]

My son called it ‘a piece of shit steam deck copy’ lmao

[leaden kiln]

Old 3d games mostly 3 to 4 hours

[leaden kiln]

Lmaooooooo

[tidal tree]

Battery life is totally fine, many ppl also have a powerbank with them so its even less of a problem

[sudden agate]

Language kid

[leaden kiln]

To be honest it's fine 2 hours gaming is enough for me

[tidal tree]

2hours would also be a very pushing game

[leaden kiln]

Knowing old 3d games would be 3 to 4 hours

[tidal tree]

Yep

[leaden kiln]

And 2d would be 5 to 6

It's like og steam deck

[tidal tree]

Or OG switch

[leaden kiln]

Yh exactly

[tidal tree]

I have a V1 switch and never complained about the battery tbf

[leaden kiln]

But it's impressive that it's 19.3whr battery and get same battery life as og steam deck 40whr

Rog ally battery 40whr is so poor

[heady snow]

It should've been the dna duo

[untold flame]

super sp wil find you

[heady snow]

I would use the gif but I don't want to overuse it

[untold flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/562670802613305364/1356813643425120378/download.gif

[tame roost]

ive had moments where i wished it was a little better, flights mostly. but yeah its not usually a problem tbh

[odd scaffold]

Is this real? I love it

If it's real I'll 100% buy it

[tawny halo]

100% real

Might use this for work tbh 😂

Teams calls on this will be awesome

[sharp needle]

x86 handheld numbers

[leaden kiln]

https://x.com/Wario64/status/1907872745385283828?t=-CY8mgBzpzTsfxkjFxofmA&s=33

Wario64 (@Wario64) on X

Elden Ring [Tarnished Edition] for Switch 2 appears to be a game key cart (no game data on card) according to Play-Asia https://t.co/GuLTW2YOlT

X · Apr 3, 2025, 7:08 PM

Guys

[feral umbra]

Bruh

[leaden kiln]

This is dark

[round sparrow]

I prefer this over what they did with dark souls on the switch, where they opted to use a smaller game cart because it's cheaper

and to get onto the smaller cart they compressed the audio to hell

it was rough lol

[leaden kiln]

Yh exactly

[lean lotus]

Or you know, an empty game case with a download code in it

[leaden kiln]

Last time nintendo did this with gamecube half of them had worst version even being powerful than ps2 it using small disks

[proper bear]

I'm so eh about this. But I guess I rarely resell Nintendo games

[leaden kiln]

Now 24 years nintendo at least letting devs decide to fit all of it or use game key card

64gb is the limit

[south notch]

And that's a generous amount space for what's basically a micro SSD

[chrome cradle]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO

[pine cove]

Sbc gaming is on so much cope lmao

[heady snow]

I know not all of them are going to be that much but $80 for a game is crazy regardless

[south notch]

So just a normal day for them?

[winter pecan]

lmao

Rob likes AI a little bit too much

[open ridge]

Why? Because of the Switch 2?

[bright bough]

Peak thumbnail

[pine cove]

Hold up this is hype

[pine cove]

Hell yea

[bright bough]

Can I just use this for my pc

[round sparrow]

Probably, afaik it's just a usb c webcam

[chrome cradle]

send help, I can’t stop memeing

[main otter]

Love reading these kinds of articles back when Iwata was alive. He was such a legend. Opened the door of Nintendo and made it much more open to the outside with Nintendo Direct and these dev articles. https://www.nintendo.com/us/whatsnew/ask-the-developer-vol-16-nintendo-switch-2-part-1/

[latent remnant]

How to get people to buy a useless peripheral 101

[proper bear]

You crazy, that plant is the most exciting thing announced so far, lol

[sudden agate]

I am already searching for 3D printed models for my security cameras and webcams

The piranha plant camera is such a good idea

[proper bear]

i did print a piranha plant for my switch joycons and games

[minor bay]

I was joking about paying tariffs on empty carts. I don’t like being right.

[high barn]

Yup, free updates being the majority with only some requiring payments due to “it being more than just a performance and graphical update” is outright the standard for consoles.

So hopefully no one tries doing the other common but very hated thing of “making a Special Edition version exclusive for the new game that has all the next gen updates, but you have to buy it as a new game”, like what Atlus pulled with the PS5 port of Royal.

So it is confirmed to be VRR, I knew it!

I’d call Wii U pretty recent considering it was the literal previous console before the Switch.

Yeah, the console price is still good, it’s the games that are a bit worrying (since even if the Physical and Digital games will be same price here, $70 is still a lot for a single game).

That’s pretty much my exact plan for the console.

No, they already confirmed it would only be for some games, and that all of those physical key games would directly have actually have that labeled on the box properly.

They already mentioned that Cyberpunk 2077’s physical cartridge would be the very first one to be using 64GB of physical storage for the game just to ensure it’s all on the cartridge.

[heady snow]

Not the biggest deal in the world but yeah idk why these are so badly designed, looks like a bad sticker job https://youtu.be/4L8arkl0djM

The top is too big and it's not centered

[grim heart]

Why can’t they make an Apple TV like device that is just the console, I can’t buy this at the price and give it to the kids, too risky. Isn’t Nintendo a family/kids product at its core?

[latent remnant]

They used to be

Now like every company its just all about them dollas

[fallen herald]

Did the PS vita tv sells at all?
Nothing (technical) to stop Nintendo from introducing something similar in future, especially as most games work with a pro controller on the original switch.

[proper bear]

Major part of price is tariffs but sure, they need to make some money 😆

[zealous mason]

The Game Cube Games are running off 🐬 on Switch 2.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxjJNYgKdDSE3r7OBfJy_uetil3CerLH3p?si=hwnYEW904wadeXFY

[true nest]

In france , the S2 is already on PreOrder in most of the big Supermarket chains 440Euros, I tell you, its going to be Sold out! lol people complain but they will buy it.

[stuck viper]

with that game pricing for glorified ps4 games

im passing on the switch 2

refuse REFUSE to pay 80 for a game

[leaden kiln]

I hate when people said this

[stuck viper]

not saying the games dont look good and fun

but Nintendo is paying faaaaar less than the competition on their games

[leaden kiln]

You forgot that people was begging for nintendo to make it ps4 handheld sinceeeeeeee for them as hybrid handheld this is big for them

[stuck viper]

youre literally ignoring my actual point

the $80 price point

[leaden kiln]

Oh the game prices I can't lie I'm waiting for next year

It's already know people who are complaining will buy the bundle

[stuck viper]

the issue is okay sure youll get to avoid it for mario kart, but now every game starts at 70

switch 2 editions being 70 and 80 is crazy for 8 year old games in some cases

then its basically guaranteed that the next 3d mario and 3d zelda will be 80 also

[latent vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-very-sad-anyway-loki-sad-loki-gif-22079369

https://tenor.com/view/dk-nintendo-donkey-kong-gif-4472496

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie I don't want to say oh it's acceptable because again I'm in uk it's 60 to 70 it's bit different but switch 2 editions I can't lie some of them are worth it

Again it's up to you

[stuck viper]

after conversion yall are actually paying even more

[leaden kiln]

Lucky to me I don't really pay games on launch I will wait for the sale

I'm not justified on the games price because nintendo doesn't do sales often than xbox, playstation and steam

[leaden kiln]

But anyway this is nintendo and they always believe the game is worthy so of course they would charge full price

I'm buying switch 2 tho I'm not missing the opportunity

[leaden kiln]

😭

[undone fox]

ahhh stockholm syndrome! 😄

[leaden kiln]

I never owned a switch so it would be better experience for me

[undone fox]

fair 🙂 i need to see what exclusives are coming to it before i decide

[leaden kiln]

I'm deffo not buying it on launch properly next year

[leaden kiln]

Let me be real I like how people are complaining about the price but xbox series s is right there available for 200 bucks

[latent vortex]

i didnt buy switch 1 till there was 3 games i wanted, so far theres 1, new DK, now we wait lol

if they toss out a new 3d mario i might jump for 2

[undone fox]

i like the ports, but ports are stll ports, not exclusives 😄

[true nest]

people complain but at the end they will buy it

[undone fox]

Yep. No willpower 😄

[lean lotus]

As someone in this very channel reminded me of the goomba fallacy:

I'm sure there's tons of people that will complain about the price and not get the Switch 2.

I'm just also incredibly sure that they will be outnumbered greatly by different people that will buy it anyway.

I still haven't gotten a mainline Pokemon game since Sun and Moon. Just so happens a shit ton more people didn't give a shit lol.

[stuck viper]

i have a genuinely hard time believing uniformed parents are gonna walk in, see a switch 2 is 50% more expensive, and the games are as high as $80 and buy it without question

the nintendo fan boys will buy it all no question, even if they do whine about it,

but if all nintendo gets are the fanboys, literal wii u situation

[lean lotus]

Tons of people did for the PS5 lol. That's selling about as well as the PS4 has in a similar timeframe. And everybody still jokes about how it's got no games even.

Slap Mario Kart and Smash Bros on it and casual fans will suck it up.

[stuck viper]

it probably wont flop that hard, but i definetly see switch 2 missing nintendos internal sales targets they likely have

[stuck viper]

ps5 games are only 70 and playstation games actually go on discount shocker

nintendo price a game at 80 itll be 80 a decade from now

[leaden kiln]

This

Mind you it was difficult to get

[lean lotus]

Wii U situation ain't happening again because:
1: Most casual Wii fans were fine with their Wii Sports machine from 2006
2: Most casual Wii fans didn't even know the Wii U was a new console.
3: Wii U had a fucking drought of games for many months at a time.
4: People still bought and played Switch 1 up to the end of its life, meaning there's still a large active fan base for it that wasn't there for the Wii U

[leaden kiln]

And their marketing was poor

[stuck viper]

i said it likely wouldnt get that bad

[lean lotus]

Not saying I like the $450 price or the $80 games, but literally everytime I see the more involved video game fans talk about something like this, they're basically always proven wrong with time.

[leaden kiln]

It would be like 3ds situation

[stuck viper]

i just said if only nintendo die hards buy the console and literally no one else

thats what the sales figures would be

[leaden kiln]

The problem is people would buy it in general

Base without no games is enough for them

[stuck viper]

once tariffs actually go into play at stores in the US and the switch is being sold for 600

its doa in the US

which would likely also push switch 2 phyisical games to 90

[lean lotus]

Yep. Pokemon, PS5, MTX in full price games, fucking yearly sports games lmao.

"Hardcore" gamers just really underestimate how much the casual audience does not really care about what concerns them.

Switch 2 has the games, and the advertising. It's just a higher price for everything so we're all balking hard at it.

[leaden kiln]

It's no difference than people buying ps5 full price trust me

Otherwise xbox series s would be in better sales

[lean lotus]

$450 while I'm not happy with, was within my own realm of expectations. It is the $80 Mario Kart that has me pulling my collar about the price.

[stuck viper]

if consumers really dont vote for their wallets this time they are brain dead

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie console prices is fine when it's ps4 1080p handheld 120hz 4k

But the game prices yh sticky one

[stuck viper]

nah it should have been 399,

[lean lotus]

Vote with your wallet almost never works, because the person that wants to intelligently vote with their wallet is gonna be massively outnumbered by the people that do want the thing.

[stuck viper]

450 for bundle

[undone fox]

won't just be switch games that'll be at that 80 price point

[leaden kiln]

It's 395 in my country so

[stuck viper]

well idc im just not buying it

have fun everyone else burning their money as we enter another global recession

on overpriced games

[lean lotus]

At this point it's only about not spending too much on your own. You're never gonna make a company listen to you.

And that's fine, I'm just saying that for as much as people talk about "vote with your wallet" it ain't ever gonna actually bring about change.

To put in a sorta gaming terms. It's now a purely defensive measure, not an offensive one.

[stuck viper]

when they are barely making rent payments and getting behind on credit cards at least theyll have their switch 2 to keep them company 😂

[lean lotus]

Like, even my poor ass can afford this shit. But, in the case of the Switch 2, my ass has been saving $20 a week since the near year.

And it's not like I have spent the money yet, I can always just not spend it lol.

[undone fox]

How dare people buy things that give thm happiness 😄

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie this is not good comparison because in the end of the day it's portable hybrid handheld and it's powerful and justified to buy something that it would give that experience

[stuck viper]

i can literally afford it but its stupid to, THEN looking at the games

i basically be able to get very few games this entire gen

[leaden kiln]

And it's backwards compatibility

[stuck viper]

450 isnt the worst possible price of all time, but its obvious they are trying to see how much they can push

all of the accessories got a price bump

games get a price bump

the console gets a 50% price bump

[lean lotus]

Deku Deals is my bro for Switch games. It's how I got Breath of the Wild for $35.

Nintendo just doesn't believe in permanently lowering the MSRP of their games.

[stuck viper]

you cant even blame inflation at that rate, since 2017 its only been 30% inflation

[leaden kiln]

They always believe the game especially first party games Is worth this price

[stuck viper]

also the prices have basically been confirmed to not be factoring in tariffs

[lean lotus]

But yeah, I'm personally gonna hold off on buying a Switch 2 for at least a little while.

Unless some crazy homebrew exploit is found super fast or something. DK Bananza is the only thing that's really speaking to my heart atm, but it's just one game.

The real crazy thing to me is how that "obviously a pack-in title" is not, in fact a pack-in title.

[stuck viper]

maybe ill consider a switch 2 lite if that happens

[leaden kiln]

I never owned a switch so this is fine to me I guess I can't speak for everyone who owned switch

[stuck viper]

charging money even if its just like 8 bucks

is INSANELY greedy

[lean lotus]

it's like 990 yen iirc

[stuck viper]

is a literally system overview

[lean lotus]

So it's probably gonna be $10

[lean lotus]

I mean, I got a PS5 to be a PS4 Pro Pro lol. The jump was pretty intense for me.

[stuck viper]

even if you never owned a switch i mean, i was able to get my switch oled off someone here for 150

[lean lotus]

If I didn't already have a Switch 1, I'd consider it for a Switch 2 to act as a Pro model, if it played Switch 1 games at their pre-made optimal conditions.

Like how PS4 games on PS5, even without a patch for PS5 or upgrade to PS5 version, runs at their optimal conditions.

So Tears of the Kingdom wouldn't be at 60FPS, cuz I didn't buy the upgrade, but it would be a hard locked 30FPS instead of constant FPS and resolution drops.

But we don't know if that's how the Switch 2 runs native Switch 1 games from what I understand.

[stuck viper]

that should be possible

because they arent emulating they are using a translation layer, similar to wine / proton on linux

[lean lotus]

Yeah

That should be how it works, but who knows

[stuck viper]

previous systems were typically architecturally so similar that nintendo would just shut off and underclock the components to function basically identical to the original system

basically what they did from gamecube to wii to wii u

[lean lotus]

And 3DS to DS to GBA

[wind belfry]

well, at least not all Switch games will have a paid upgrade and honestly I couldn't bother to replace all my 200-300 of them for that, the upgrades for both Zelda are already more than iffy because the smartphone navigation feature is just so out there... with Mario Party and it's extra modes it's at least somewhat reasonable to ask to pay for this DLC, but honestly the resolution/framerate bump should be available for everyone

[stuck viper]

honestly the zelda ones are very underwhelming

[lean lotus]

That just feels like them going "shit we have to figure out something to add!"

[wind belfry]

at least they are included in the NSO+ membership

[stuck viper]

its literally just a resolution and framerate bump when everything else is giving straight up new features or gameplay

[stuck viper]

thats basically nintendos admission that they didnt do enough for it

[wind belfry]

you guys already saw Horis Switch 2 camera?

[stuck viper]

it seems like they arent even including the botw dlc

in the switch 2 edition

[wind belfry]

yeah no, should have just made it free of charge IMO

[stuck viper]

thats 70 usd 😂

[wind belfry]

[stuck viper]

nintendo couldnt pass the oppurtunity to basically resell botw

switch 2 edition games are LAUGHBLY overpriced

[wind belfry]

I honestly question my decision to put 509€ into a Switch 2, due to their "upgrade" policy and the 30% more expensive game prices

[stuck viper]

like they exist on another realm of delusional compared to the exclusive games pricing

[wind belfry]

70€ Switch 2 Edition
80€ regular Switch 2 game
90€ big system seller Switch 2 game

[stuck viper]

even if in jamborees and kirbys case they are basically getting dlc

[wind belfry]

and they won't drop even 10bucks regardless how long you are waiting

[lean lotus]

Being a tad hyperbolic here lol

[stuck viper]

did nintendo ever drop the prices of switch 1 games?

no

[wind belfry]

I mean third party games will, but Nintendos own stuff is as always incredibly stable in price

[stuck viper]

and nintendo will never bring back nintendo selects

[wind belfry]

which I usually regard as a good thing, given how you can buy a game day-one without feeling ripped off

but with 80-90€ for a single game compared to 60-70€... ehhh

[lean lotus]

Sorry, not permanently lowering MSRP and "won't drop" are not the same thing.

[wind belfry]

not even saying it wouldn't be justified to raise the prices, as 30% more is basically just adjusting to inflation... but people didn't got a 30% pay-raise... so it's less than sensible to go all the way

[stuck viper]

nintendo doesnt even do sales

[wind belfry]

I mean, sales on Nintendo games is basically just the retailer cutting their own margin, Nintendo doesn't gives discounts

[lean lotus]

On the eShop alone yes, they have had sales. They're just generally 30% off max.

[stuck viper]

used you get a lot of switch games from 40-45

[leaden kiln]

They said it would be better experience

[stuck viper]

who in their right mind would pay for a switch 2 edition of a game for 70 or 80

when they can get the switch 1 version used and pay the upgrade fee

[wind belfry]

given how much I dislike the latest Zelda, not me

but the overall game prices are also a bit concerning, DK Bananza looks interesting, but 80€ is quite steep for "interesting"

[stuck viper]

70 usd for that game seems a bit stingey imo

[leaden kiln]

Yes but just a little bit like 10-20

[lean lotus]

$70 USD for DK Bananza I could swallow, but again, that's just one game. I'm not getting the entire console for one game.

[stuck viper]

mario kart world should have been 70, and dk 60

its basically what nintendo already conditioned us for at the very end of the switch 1 gen

[lean lotus]

Should've all just stayed fucking $60

[wind belfry]

I think they will see a considerable decline in game sales with their new prices

[wind belfry]

which would be fine, but Mario Kart is 90€ and DK is 80€

[stuck viper]

oh i 100% agree totk wasnt worth 70

[leaden kiln]

Deffo not mario kart world especially most of people would just buy the bundle

And NSO to get those upgrades

[stuck viper]

well if nintendo sees low sales of the 450 sku, and low sales of mkw standalone they might not be happy. ALSO i recall reading somewhere the mario kart world sku isnt even permanent

[lean lotus]

I am mildly annoyed that I pay for NSO+ Family Plan, for my normie family lol.

[lean lotus]

Yeah the Mario Kart SKU is "while supplies last" iirc

My ass does not care about GCN on Switch 2, since I had an android handheld for that at this point.

[leaden kiln]

I will say when ps4 will get stop get support I will half of ps4 people to switch 2 than ps5

[wind belfry]

yeah that bundle is an easy up-sell given how you just pay 40€ for the digital edition of MK World instead of 90€ 😅

tho I miss the days where games were physically included in such bundles

[stuck viper]

that sku might not even be around still coming this holiday season

which is when the normies are going to likely buy anyways

[lean lotus]

I think it's gonna be a "come and go" sku.

[leaden kiln]

Then it would make people to buy base model

[lean lotus]

Comes by for black friday/holidays, goes away other times of year.

[stuck viper]

but then they cant avoid the $80 price tag

[lean lotus]

I'm pretty sure they're hard banking on Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's insane attachment rate, regardless of price.

[leaden kiln]

If it goes on sale on holiday season people will buy it after having amazing reviews

[lean lotus]

Mario Kart World $70 this Holiday Season!

[leaden kiln]

This is strongest third party games launch for nintendo as well

[lean lotus]

Man am I thankful my ass works retail and I can get a small workers discount on it.

[stuck viper]

my only glimmer of hope is that nintendo had to price cut the 3ds before

[lean lotus]

Yeah, that's basically my hope tbh. But I doubt it.

[stuck viper]

so theres a chance

[leaden kiln]

I'm lucky to live in uk to see it's under 400

[stuck viper]

however small

that nintendo might actually get humbled

[leaden kiln]

Deffo not

[stuck viper]

my prediction if nintendo goes down this path, the intial launch will be big, and itll sell out, but its wont have legs

game purchases per user will be down

[lean lotus]

Legs basically requires constant game support, which I'm sure Nintendo is gonna be on top of.

Bad for me who wants cheaper console, but yeah.

[leaden kiln]

Nintendo switch 2 in Japan would be hit Same here in uk same here in other countries

[undone fox]

im enjoying listening to all the anger on the switch 2, its entertaining

[stuck viper]

switch 2 in japan is nearly half the price

[leaden kiln]

That's why it would be hit plus Japan lovessss handheld

[lean lotus]

Time to learn Japanese and only buy Japanese games!

[stuck viper]

they are basically subsidizing the cost of the switch 2 in japan, and then footing the bill to literally everyone else in the world

[stuck viper]

wont work since it also requires a japenese account

[leaden kiln]

Don't do that Their yen would be same price we having and their economy is weak as hell

That's why it's cheaper for them

[stuck viper]

its literally cheaper to buy the japenese switch and smuggle it back home literally

thats just how exchange rates work

[wind belfry]

I don't care too much about the price of the console, the 30% increase in game prices would have a way bigger impact

[lean lotus]

Homebrew + Japanese Switch 2 could be The Way™️

[wind belfry]

like I have 200-300 Switch games, that's 4000-6000€ more

[lean lotus]

Hm.

[tawny halo]

Taken from Nintendo JP apparently

[lean lotus]

I wonder if MKW is more expensive, not just because of the Mario Kart name and Nintendo knowing people will buy it anyway.

But because Nintendo is very directly passing the price of the more expensive cartridge onto the consumer as well.

iirc, the new minimum card size is 16GB now.

Since MKW's size puts it in that 32GB cart bracket.

[tawny halo]

Amazon UK invites are going out. But didnt get one myself

[wind belfry]

half half I would assume, games are 20€ more expensive, 10€ of that may be due to the bigger cartriges

especially considering how the Game-Key cards are listed for 40-60€

instead of 80-90€

still no dice, a Micro SD Express card is laughably expensive and they were stupid enough to not include a NVMe slot in this, so 512gb for 160€ is the limit, not going to buy big games that are just downloads

[lean lotus]

It's funny browsing the web and seeing the sheer amount of angry people thinking all Switch 2 games are gonna be Game-Keys

[wind belfry]

well, Bravely Default HD Remaster is, which is a major bummer to me

Street Fighter 6 is also

[lean lotus]

Like yeah, they're not great. But if they're the alternative to "eShop code in the box" I'll take it I guess.

[wind belfry]

Cyberpunk most likely as well, given how they no way in hell going to use the 64gb cartridge for that

[lean lotus]

iirc I have heard that Cyberpunk is gonna be on the 64GB cart, it's one of the complaints I have heard against Square Enix.

"Wow, HD remaster of a 3DS game can't get put on cartridge, but fucking Cyberpunk can? Cheapskates"

[stuck viper]

90 usd

LOL

switch 2 tax is gonna be wild

[lean lotus]

inb4 it's like the Spyro trilogy where only some of it is on cart, and you have to download the rest.

[wind belfry]

may as well just buy it digitally at that point tbh

I definitely ain't going to buy Game-Key cards

would be a bummer if FF7R is also just a Game-Key card

well, at least the stupid Game-Key cards will prevent me from re-buying older games

[lean lotus]

I personally would have an incentive to buy Game-Key games, since I do frequently share my games with my brother.

[wind belfry]

technically you can lend your digital games now for 14days

[lean lotus]

Which makes them a marked improvement over "just a eshop code in a box"

[wind belfry]

buy yeah the game-key cards can be sold permanently after all

[lean lotus]

I'd rather just hand him a game case and not having to refresh it later.

Of course, that depends on how many Nintendo games are gonna be Game-Key games. Since I don't see myself buying non-exclusives on Switch 2 like I did with Switch 1.

Since I have a Steam Deck now for indies

[stuck viper]

just the thought of the day switch 2 servers go down and all of those key card games are worthless

[wind belfry]

personally, there is no point in collecting games that aren't fully on the cards, like the amount of physical games dropped significantly already with the Xbox Series X for me, because a lot of stuff just requires so many patches that it ain't works properly with just the disc anyway anymore

[wind belfry]

that's generally the case with digital purchases tho, like if my 3DS dies on me a lot of games will go with it

[stuck viper]

except everything for the 3ds has basically been perserved

[lean lotus]

And we'll just assume the same won't be true for Switch 2?

[wind belfry]

sure, but still would suck to rely on "piracy" after you paid for all those games

yeah unlikely that we won't have some back-ups by the end of the Switch 2s life cycle

which you can then play on your Ayn Odin 7

[lean lotus]

imo there's basically two kinds of "preservation". And people don't really differentiate between the two in conversation from what I can tell.

There's collective and personal preservation. Personal is pretty self-explanatory. It's your copy of the game. Its preservation may be impacted if servers shut down in the future. Pretty commonly will.

And then there's collective preservation, like what people did with the 3DS when its store was announced to be ending. So that no game gets lost in the aether.

Your copy may be useless in the future, but a preserved copy will almost certainly exist somewhere.

[uncut swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLWBZ9H_GS8

[quiet ledge]

Got to love pricing at the moment, put in the preorder for Switch 2 with MK, 712 USD 🙈

[main otter]

Performance analysis by digital foundry: https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2025-switch-2s-full-reveal-analysed-how-powerful-is-nintendos-new-hardware

And Nvidia saying Switch 2 is 10x more powerful than Switch 1: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/nintendo-switch-2-leveled-up-with-nvidia-ai-powered-dlss-and-4k-gaming/

[open osprey]

https://youtu.be/YZIk9_CpuvQ lucky European

[rapid dawn]

Most bundles aren't permanent

[leaden kiln]

I think again it's good idea for do that because let me to be real it's not like how xbox would be after you install the game online you can play it offline as long you have game key card it's same thing to disc version

[lean lotus]

God I almost unsubscribed from GVG yesterday

Not due to any drama or whatever. I just don't appreciate my feed getting flooded with like 20 five or less minute videos.

[rapid dawn]

nvidia also said their latest card is X times more powerful than last year's card even though they have identical performance.

[leaden kiln]

And I rather they do that than that bullshit download code big insult to me

[lean lotus]

That message for a while back?

[rapid dawn]

lol the only reason GVG exist at all is Nintendo Switch 1 hype making Gamexplain trend all the time back in the day.

Lots of Switch 1 games are useless without updates.

And Many Switch 1 games already do the 'game card' thing. They just don't tell you haha

Honestly this whole game card stuff is kind of ironic, because if anything Switch 2 is doing the pro-consumer thing of actually adding a label for it to the product.

Switch 1 already had these game cards just without telling you.

[main otter]

Yeah I don’t really care or trust the numbers, show me the games! Want to see a deep analysis from digital foundry down the road

I mean I also don’t care a lot about performance. If games can run 1080p and a locked 30fps on handheld mode, I am pretty happy

[stark flicker]

I'm done with 30fps. 40 is my minimum, and it seems at least some are targeting it

45 for shooters.

[main otter]

Yeah 40 or 60 are preferred of course but I prefer a steady 30 fps than some thing that dips below 30 from time to time

[rapid dawn]

30 FPS is fine

[main otter]

With VRR support hopefully we see smoother game play

[open osprey]

First party, I think we're gonna see more 1080p 60FPS

Third Party, 30-40 should be the goal, but please give us 60

[rapid dawn]

VRR is nice but I guess some folks worry about docked FPS

[main otter]

But anyway personally care only 1st party games on Switch 2 and those tend to have great performance

[open osprey]

VRR is a major boon, but i also worry some companies are gonna use it as a crutch

[main otter]

I am pretty sure Elden Ring and Cyperpunk will be quite rough

[rapid dawn]

Some games are legitimately 120 fps.

apparently

[stark flicker]

Yes, prime 4 was confirmed for 1080p120fps

[main otter]

Prime 4 looks so amazing.

[stark flicker]

It looks pretty basic

[open osprey]

1080p 120fps for Performance, 4k 60 for Quality

[stark flicker]

Technically I mean

[leaden kiln]

Okay like DF said back around 2023 that docked mode would better but in handheld mode they will do 720p upscale to 1080p

[main otter]

The latest DF article said that they haven’t found any evidence of DLSS in the released footages yet

[rapid dawn]

Turning the game output into AI sludge just for handheld mode sounds a bit dumb

[main otter]

I mean it depends on the output quality and the power budget

[leaden kiln]

Hm maybe dlss is not supported or not ready for a moment which it's understandable but again

[main otter]

If it looks similarly and less power consuming, why not

[open osprey]

From the footage shown from the live events, Doesn't look like DLSS was used much if at all atm

[rapid dawn]

DLSS is available according to nvidia but it doesn't mean games will enable it.

[leaden kiln]

Yh it's up to devs if they want to do that

[rapid dawn]

Could also be that the demo versions Nintendo are using didn't have DLSS enabled even though they plan to have it on release.

[main otter]

I am sure there will be a lot of games that support DLSS, especially in the docked mode

[leaden kiln]

On docked mode 100%

[main otter]

Yeah the DF article said it’s possible that the software may not be ready and therefore they haven’t shown yet

[leaden kiln]

In handheld mode it's depends on the game

[main otter]

Agreed. 4K without DLSS seems unlikely

[wind belfry]

I assure you, in Germany they will charge the full 80-90€, nobody wants French boxes

[main otter]

The DF article also says that handheld mode is very power constrained. The battery is about 20Wh so the maximum power is 10W which is very low compared to say Steam Deck

In docked mode the power is less constrained

So maybe docked mode alone without DLSS is already 50-100% more powerful

Anyway personally I am happy that the Zelda games can run in high res and high fps

[wind belfry]

handheld mode was of no concern with this to begin with tbh
like they made the damn thing quite big and avoided it being overly heavy by having a small-ass battery...

2hour battery life is PC handheld territory anyway, so if one actually wants to play on the go, they may as well just grab a Deck

[main otter]

Yeah it’s a bit in a weird space now with so many handheld PCs

The only advantage are the Nintendo exclusives

[wind belfry]

Nintendo is actually at a huge disadvantage when it comes to third parties tbh

[main otter]

Yeah games are much more expensive

[wind belfry]

even if the docked mode certainly would deliver a better experience than with a Deck

but games are insanely expensive compared to Steam

Game-Key cards are iffy

[main otter]

If we are playing in docked mode I would play on PS5 or PC

[wind belfry]

and storage is extremely limited, and there is no NVMe slot on this

[main otter]

Of course not everyone has many systems

[wind belfry]

I think my Switch 2 library will cap out at like 50 games this time around, very unlikely I will buy much 3rd party stuff on this

[leaden kiln]

True but however its full 2 hours of demanding games which og steam deck full 800 30fps in 1 hour and half

[wind belfry]

I mean it's an ARM device after all

[main otter]

50 is quite a lot.

[wind belfry]

I doubt it's enough to cover all the Nintendo games and the JRPG which aren't some shitty Game-Key card

[leaden kiln]

Also steam deck is still not available so nintendo switch 2 would first option for handheld

[main otter]

I think I will get a switch 2 OLED in 2/3 years and play a bunch of exclusives. Before that I am happy with retro handhelds

And maybe a steam deck 2

[wind belfry]

I ordered the MK World bundle, OLED is of no real concern to me

my Switch hasn't left the dock in a long time

[leaden kiln]

Same

Good ass 1080p all i need

[main otter]

Yeah not sure I care too much either. I am perfectly fine with my v1 Switch. Say that mainly to out a clearer timeline of when I would most likely buying a switch 2

I have quite a lot of Switch 1 games (Like tears of the kingdom) to catch up so actually I could also buy this year and play enhanced Switch 1 games.

[leaden kiln]

Also What is very interesting that ue5 fortnite can run 1080p 60fps on switch 2

That's big news

[wind belfry]

I mean, they certainly gone for quite powerful hardware this time

[main otter]

I used to buy full prices Switch 1 games but after playing PS5 and seeing the big discounts I find it hard to get back paying high prices for switch games

[wind belfry]

but still the lack of an NVMe slot is questionable

[main otter]

And switch 2 games are even more expensive

[lean lotus]

I might actually wait for a Switch 2 Lite.

Because I honestly barely use my Switch 1 docked.

[main otter]

I thought about that too. I use my switch lite more often.

It’s a perfect size for me

[lean lotus]

If the Switch 1 Lite existed and was even a twinkle in Nintendo's eye when I got mine, I'd have waited.

[wind belfry]

honestly, with the even worse battery life and the quite restricted handheld mode, a Lite sounds a lot less appealing

[open osprey]

Tbh, im getting the bundle and probably gonna pair it with my Odin 2 as my at home devices

[iron apex]

Buy microsd express cards

[main otter]

Yeah I am not sure that’s even possible

[leaden kiln]

Nah yh but that's big for people who been waiting switch 2 to be console versions even ue5

[wind belfry]

160€ for 512gb instead of 160€ for 2tb

[iron apex]

They are gonna upscale a 480p image with dlss of course and run games at 20hz

[iron apex]

Wait for real?

[main otter]

Or maybe they use a 720p screen instead of 1080p for Lite

[iron apex]

Brutal

[wind belfry]

yes

Micro SD Express is the most expensive shit out there

even compared to the relatively expensive 2230er NVMes

[tawny halo]

Secured my Switch 2 👍 that was nuts!

[iron apex]

Of course they wouldn’t support a nvme slot.

There the potential for so much money being made

It’s the the ps vita sd card situation all over again

[wind belfry]

nah, they ain't making the Micro SD Express cards themselves

[iron apex]

They will be soon

And put like a picture of link or some Pokémons on them and call it “special edition”

[round sparrow]

They'll likely just license out Nintendo branded ones from SanDisk or something like they did before

[iron apex]

Exactly

[round sparrow]

But I don't think this is like the ps vita situation tbh

[iron apex]

Yeah i was being dramatic

[round sparrow]

For one, SD express will actually go down in price over time

[iron apex]

How new are express cards anyway?

Like when did they first hit the market

[wind belfry]

so will do NVMe, but I guess SD cards are the less involved solution for the filthy casuals

[lean lotus]

Like super new iirc

[round sparrow]

I think they came about around 2019

[iron apex]

Wait really

[wind belfry]

still SD Express cards are 512gb max and expensive as shit

[iron apex]

I thought they dropped in like 2024

[lean lotus]

In February 2019, the SD Association announced microSD Express.

[iron apex]

“They are more convenient”

[lean lotus]

I guess I was wrong

sadge

[iron apex]

Maybe they were way too expensive for people to care about them at that time

[open osprey]

I think lenovo or someone else has a 1tb express, but it's 200 usd so yeaaaaah

[iron apex]

$50 more for another 512gb actually sounds good

[round sparrow]

They were also only really used on film cameras

There's not been a practical use for them until now

[iron apex]

So the real price drop starts to happen once more devices start using them

[main otter]

Apparently Nintendo will sell 256 GB Mario limited edition microSD cards

[wind belfry]

we just gotta wait for NVMe mods

[iron apex]

So people won’t have to resort to express cards “for Nintendo switch” which allows companies to sell them for more

[wind belfry]

and alternative docks so we can fit double the battery

[main otter]

How big are the games?

I know it varies, but like on average

50GB per game?

[iron apex]

I mean they kinda have since only switch users have a use for them

[wind belfry]

for 3rd party stuff often this will be the case

[round sparrow]

Probably on the upper end

[main otter]

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/04/nintendo-switch-2-first-party-file-sizes-are-surprisingly-small

1st party games are small

[lean lotus]

Basically the reason why SD Express never did anything, is because they're overkill for the sake of overkill, especially when they released.

From an Ars Technica article on them https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/04/what-is-microsd-express-and-why-is-it-mandatory-for-the-nintendo-switch-2/:

Why have newer and faster versions of the standard—UHS-II, UHS-III, and SD Express—failed to achieve critical mass? Because for most consumer applications, it turns out that 100-ish megabytes per second is plenty. The SD Association itself says that 90MB per second is good enough to record an 8K video stream at up to 120 frames per second. Recording pictures and video is the most demanding thing most SD cards are called upon to do—give or take a Raspberry Pi-based computer—and you don't need to overspend to get extra speed you're not going to use.

[iron apex]

They themselves or will they license them out like Levus said

[main otter]

So Switch 2 is like the killer app for SD Express card

Pretty sure drives the sales to increase 1000% or more

[round sparrow]

They're SanDisk cards with the mario logo

[lean lotus]

I would guess they wanted SD Express because they hopefully need the higher speeds.

And even if a higher quality UHS-II or UHS-III were "good enough" this provides a clean break so people won't be confused why their old microSD doesn't work.

But I'll be real fucking annoyed if it's found out that 95% of Switch 2 games never needed the speed increase at all.

[round sparrow]

I reckon third parties pushed for this

[lean lotus]

Which, realistically they shouldn't, because microSD games work fine on my Steam Deck for example.

But then this is also way outside my area of expertise. I'm just a dude online.

[round sparrow]

I can imagine a game like cyberpunk was stuttering during testing as it streamed in assets

[round sparrow]

I've had stuttering on my steam deck with my SD card before

Granted, it's a silver sandisk

[main otter]

Does anyone know whether the gamecube controller will work on pc

[round sparrow]

But at least with SD express, it guarantees a minimum spec

[main otter]

Is there already a gaemcube controller for switch 1? does that one work on pc? was it wireless or wired?

[round sparrow]

It's Bluetooth so probably, but you're likely gonna need custom drivers

[iron apex]

We don’t know yet, but it having the c button might make it as compatible as the pro 2 controller ? 🤔

[round sparrow]

I have the N64 switch online controller, and it's finicky on my pc

[lean lotus]

Out of curiosity, what UHS is/was your card? Because I have a UHS-III, or on the chip itself U3, one.

[main otter]

Yeah I have heard the NES/SNES controllers are not the best either

They have high input latency

[round sparrow]

U1

[lean lotus]

This might be a case of what I mentioned earlier, where "U2 or U3 would be good enough, but Express is a cleaner break".

[main otter]

Probably better to get a 8bitdo controller if they have gamecube controller at all.

[iron apex]

GameCube has dual sticks though and more similar inputs to a standard controller, maybe that’ll help

[round sparrow]

I'll just use my old GameCube controllers with my mayflash adapter

[lean lotus]

And I doubt there's a way to comfortable teach millions "Hey, make sure you microSD has a silly like "U3" icon it or it won't work!". Whereas with Express, they can just say "buy this different kind of chip"

That's another reason for me to fucking wait with the Switch 2

God I do not look forward to spending that much for that little storage on it.

[main otter]

With Switch 2 priced much higher, I see nintendo keeps producing Switch 1 models.

At least until they official surpass PS2 sales

Not sure if that's a smart strategy though

10 million gap between Switch and PS2 is quite big

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie hot take switch 2 would sell not only first party games but multiplayer games as well

[main otter]

Needs another 2 years at least

[lean lotus]

Switch 1 is very much gonna be their lower price alternative.

Like "We have a device for you if you want offline, it's called the Xbox 360" but not as stupid.

[leaden kiln]

Okay that was funny

[lean lotus]

Granted, people with PS4s are still hanging on.

[main otter]

I read last week Sony finally stop producing PS4

[lean lotus]

We're only just now getting -Not on PS4- PS5 games.

[leaden kiln]

Exactly and knowing fortnite is 1080p 60fps ue5 they would jump into switch 2

[untold flame]

PS4 will be remembered as one of the greats

The first console to make everyone forget that tech advanced

And that your 12 year old console is obsolete

[main otter]

Man, I almost got a PS5 Pro. I am so happy I didn't

[leaden kiln]

And ps4 controller was legendary so comfortable

[lean lotus]

If I didn't have a PS5 I might've considered getting a PS5 Pro. But probably not.

[main otter]

I might but I have PS5 LOL

[leaden kiln]

It's not really worth it unless you want the best to the best

[lean lotus]

The jump from PS4 Slim to PS5 was massive for me. Granted I also got it to be a PS4 Pro Pro, and it's served that purpose extremely well.

I don't really need a PS4 Pro Pro Pro.

[main otter]

PS5 Pro > Trimui Brck + RP Classic + RP5 + Odin 2 Portal

Think about that

[lean lotus]

I should probably sell my RP4 Pro now that I think about it

Now that I have an Odin 2 Mini

Get a nice ~$130 for it

[leaden kiln]

Also Sports games is coming to switch 2 and I know it would be optimized as mf so they have ps5/xbox series s/x versions and run at 60fps

That's another big advantages

And huge disvantages to steam deck

[pine cove]

PC + Nintendo is how I roll

[lean lotus]

For me it's mostly be Sony+Nintendo

Though I am probably gonna just build a PC whenever the PS6 comes out or the Base PS5 starts getting painful after the PS6.

Steam Deck for Indies, Sony for Big™️ games, and Nintendo for Nintendo games.

Steam Deck stole the indies niche from Nintendo Switch 1 lol.

No more begging for Switch ports for me!

And obviously retro handhelds for retro games lol

[main otter]

Personally I got tired of AAA games and that's why I am into retro handhelds now. I bought God of War Ragnarok and couldn't get into it

[leaden kiln]

I can't lie I'm deffo getting steam deck for indies and stuff

[main otter]

Felt like the same as God of War 2018

But bigger and longer

I really hate that now longer games are considered better

Just give a game that finishes in 20 hours

[lean lotus]

Astro Bot

[main otter]

Astro Bot is a perfect example

We should get back to that.

Longer game means higher production budget means less risk taking and less interesting games

[leaden kiln]

You know I got confess to make I haven't played any of sony exclusives expect uncharted series not 4 and lost leagcy

[open osprey]

Same here

[lean lotus]

I mean, I think in my collection of PS4 and PS5 games, most of 'em are in that 20-30 hour range.

[main otter]

I only got into PS from 2 years ago when I got PS5. Before that I was purely Nintendo fanboy

[lean lotus]

A few are much higher, like Elden Ring, and some a lot shorter like Order 1886

[leaden kiln]

Hell I haven't played single nintendo game since wii/ds days

[main otter]

Actually pretty cool because PS Plus is full of great games that I haven't played

[lean lotus]

Oh right I should actually check PS Plus

[wind belfry]

Yeah GCN will fall under the standard x-input, the N64 pad is certainly d-input

[open osprey]

If a game is long, it should have more content for me to engage with, not more cutscenes to watch. If i wanted a movie, I'd play Metal Gear Solid xD

[main otter]

I subscribed for it for a year and played like 20+ games

May not sound a lot but quite a lot for me

[lean lotus]

I have yet to play a single PS+ game, but then I only ever get PS+ whenever a new FromSoft game came out lol.

[main otter]

Oh no

[lean lotus]

YOOO Robo Cop Rogue City

[main otter]

Russ is going to learn

[lean lotus]

Is on PS+

[wind belfry]

Yeah that was wild that they expect anyone to pay for the tech demo

Worked with 1-2 Switch tho

[main otter]

Support me on patreon for awesome tutorials

[main otter]

I thought about that. i think a lot of parents will buy for their kids

Still unacceptable

[wind belfry]

Not even I bothered to buy 1-2 Switch

[pine cove]

How much is it anyways

[main otter]

No one knows

[wind belfry]

90€

[main otter]

10 bucks I gues

[rustic orchid]

Too much

[lean lotus]

I can't believe they made a 1-2 Switch sequel

[iron apex]

Time to charge for Astro’s playroom

[rustic orchid]

To be fair, Nintendo will have games

[pine cove]

10$? Meh

[lean lotus]

"We at Sony have noticed you played Astro's Playroom for 2 Hours, we have charged $20 to your card on file"

[main otter]

We should all go to Japan

[iron apex]

It’s 509€ in the eu

[main otter]

Does the Japanese version only support Japanese games?

I guess so.

[open osprey]

Yep

[compact sable]

And only a Japanese Nintendo account

[main otter]

I have a Japanese Nintendo account