Switch 2

[proper bear]

Yeah. I'm taking my claim. $300

[stuck viper]

ngl i could see a lot of the casual games like mario party being cross gen going forward

[high barn]

Jigg, who the hell have you been talking with?

[signal tinsel]

Samsung fab doesn’t fill me with joy

[proper bear]

Maybe with no games

[iron apex]

I think it was some Amazon listing

Also a french retailer leak

[proper bear]

So VAT

[leaden kiln]

Why if you want to see what it could be digital founday made a video about t239 chip

[high barn]

…Are we still talking about the Switch 2 or a game?

[iron apex]

Switch 2 games

Launch titles

[stuck viper]

imagine the timeline where nintendo was willing to take a loss on the hardware bro

[signal tinsel]

Ye but if it’s Samsung fab then if it’s anything like Exynos chips, they aren’t the most efficient

[proper bear]

Wouldn't that include VAT too tho?

[iron apex]

Not sure

[leaden kiln]

True

[proper bear]

Would make sense. So really $60

[high barn]

Wait, how much do European games usually cost in currency?

[stuck viper]

i think the switch 2 will do fine, Switch 3 i think is gonna be the REAL hard sell

[iron apex]

50-60€

[leaden kiln]

Mostly 60

50

[pine cove]

Insta copping this day 1 easy. I'll just sell later and get OLED when that comes out

[leaden kiln]

Or switch 2 lite

[stuck viper]

for most nintendo first parties they really arent going to need much better than ps4 level graphics ever going forward

[high barn]

Ok, so they didn’t fuck up and mistake British Pounds and Euro’s for being the same thing.

[iron apex]

The 1 and only right solution

[signal tinsel]

Valid point

[high barn]

But yeah no, them taking Vat into account would also make sense.

[proper bear]

I say I'll wait but when the hype picks up, I'll be refreshing amazon

[stuck viper]

i would have sold my switch 1 if it wasnt kinda messed up

[iron apex]

I’ll post listings leaks with sources here once o see them again

[stuck viper]

i wonder if ill sell my switch oled

[proper bear]

My og switches joycons are... Functional?

[stuck viper]

it might be hard to find some one to sell it to

[iron apex]

https://x.com/mrpyo1/status/1879908529739616332?s=46

Pyo 5️⃣ (@mrpyo1) on X

Nintendo Switch 2 prices are about what you expect (leaked prices):

X · Jan 16, 2025, 3:08 PM

[proper bear]

Isn't the launch version easier to jailbreak?

[iron apex]

400€ / $400

[high barn]

Honestly I was planning on modding it once I got the Switch 2, but with Taki’s OLED mod, I don’t even need to do that, so I might flat out sell it.

[proper bear]

Wow

[stuck viper]

are the joysticks on the new joycons bigger?

[leaden kiln]

I know nintendo would use good lcd so it doesn't really matter too much but Switch 2 lite I might sell it for that

[high barn]

Not sure, but they’re definitely not Joycon sticks.

[pine cove]

The second hori releases better cons I'm getting em

[leaden kiln]

This is fine

[iron apex]

I don’t like source of this, take this with a huge grain of salt

[pine cove]

For s2

[proper bear]

I'm shocked honestly. Haha. And I'm assuming there without VAT. Oof

[leaden kiln]

For 399 this is fine

[stuck viper]

even without the drift issue, the range on the joycon sticks are so ass

makes some games really hard to play, i have to switch to pro controller and play table top in metroid dread lol

[iron apex]

https://x.com/switch2stock/status/1878466576363745343?s=46

Switch 2 Stock (@Switch2Stock) on X

Someone who works at Micromania a French retailer says that they are ready for Pre-orders and that they are "REALLY FOR SOON" for Switch 2

-Price: €399
-25 games ready for launch
-New game cost €69 to € 79
-NSO price increase
-Limited Edition bundle
-Mario Kart Rainbow Road

X · Jan 12, 2025, 3:38 PM

[high barn]

Well yes, but I’m mostly talking about the sticks themselves being outright different in design/pivot.

[pine cove]

You guys really don't know not to take jigg shit at face value? Lol

[proper bear]

Yeah. I'll stay optimistic. Feel like having the European pricing and us pricing be equivalent is not something Nintendo would put out in an official graphic

[high barn]

They look like they’ll essentially be smaller stick boxes.

[leaden kiln]

69 to 79 nintendo think we got Mario coins lmaoooo

[stuck viper]

procon 2 BETTER Have the ball pivot on the damn dpad

switch 1 procon dpad is unacceptable

[proper bear]

I'll 3rd party rescue the joycons anyway. Give the kids the shit ones

[leaden kiln]

Hahahhaa

[iron apex]

https://x.com/vgnewsnow/status/1877553035825532949?s=46

Gaming News Now (@VGNewsNow) on X

Another Switch 2 leaked, it looks like the list of upcoming games for the Switch 2 and from what we’re seeing there will be 79.99€ euros which the price of video games in Europe but in the US it be price at $69.99 just like I predict it.

The Legend of Zelda: Tear of the

X · Jan 10, 2025, 3:08 AM

Also this

[stuck viper]

hopefully someone will make an actual decent dpad joycon this go around

[proper bear]

I'm getting older. Need to keep some competitive edge

[leaden kiln]

Hell no

79.99

[high barn]

Oh I already know to take anything he shows with a grain of salt. Especially after…literally most of the things he’s shown on Retroid discord.

[iron apex]

Inflation

[leaden kiln]

Do I look I got coins for that pls

[iron apex]

They better drop in price because no one will buy them at that price

[proper bear]

I'm not sure any US leaker knows what VAT is anyway

[iron apex]

Like it happened with Totk

[stuck viper]

that leak was so laughably bad

nintendo isnt calling it "Mario Kart Rainbow Road"

[leaden kiln]

If this is true I pray it is 60 mostly even 70 I allow it but 79 hell no

[proper bear]

I really doubt that's true

[iron apex]

Yeah hoping it’s just hoax

Don’t wanna pay more than 60€ on cartoon-ish looking games

[proper bear]

Nintendo has a track record of price consistency at launch at least

[rapid dawn]

Assuming it has some vulnerability unknown to Nintendo

[stuck viper]

literally no one has been selling their games for 80

[rapid dawn]

I would phrase it as "Launch version will not be harder to jailbreak than later versions"

[leaden kiln]

True

[stuck viper]

i definetly see all the third parties "switch taxing" with everything at 70

im hopeful most games will still just be 60 from nintendo

[rapid dawn]

I am honest to god mostly interested in running existing Switch games better.

[leaden kiln]

This

[high barn]

All I’m gonna say is you really gotta learn to be more careful with leaks. You’re already the “Jigg who cried wolf” to Atheo.

[proper bear]

Wasn't that the whole hardware thing with the joycons pins tho?

[rapid dawn]

I already have a Steam Deck, don't need third party titles

[iron apex]

Wut

[stuck viper]

itll also be cool to have all switch 1 games to run "docked mode"

[rapid dawn]

god knows what the next vulnerability will involve, if any

[stuck viper]

even in handheld mode on switch 2

then dlss upscale to 4k in docked

[iron apex]

I am careful, just acknowledging the existence of leaks, not taking them to srsly

[leaden kiln]

Yeah but kinda curious of them how they can patch the games or bring the third party games

[proper bear]

Oh. I know. We were just talking about why you might want to keep a launch switch over an OLED after getting switch 2

[iron apex]

Unless the source is reputable / has a solid track record

[rapid dawn]

I hope the performance difference in handheld mode is still noticeable cause I doubt I'll play docked that much.

[stuck viper]

i assume we probably wont see fps caps being raised to 60, but games with uncapped framerates or games with performance issues should be better

[rapid dawn]

oh lol, I misunderstood this about being a prediction about the Switch 2's launch jailbreak

[proper bear]

Should put in more effort. 😂. Can probably find a post saying switch 2 will launch cat turds

[stuck viper]

ive always prefered handhelds,

i dont even own a tv anymore

[high barn]

…Wait, those are all third party.

[rapid dawn]

Yeah I am doing exactly that, I have my launch Switch so I am not going to bother buying an OLED when I can just buy a Switch 2.

[stuck viper]

especially with that 8 inch screen ima be vibing with the kickstand

[iron apex]

Those people think they are “legit gaming leaks”

[stuck viper]

when i switch to pro controller

[iron apex]

Yes

[leaden kiln]

Even the prices is not real nintendo is going in with third party games

[proper bear]

Haha. In that regard who knows. Maybe have to lick magnetic pads

[iron apex]

Switch Pro Controller 2 with hall sticks?

[odd scaffold]

EA is making the Nintendo Switch 4 :O

[signal tinsel]

Makes sense

[iron apex]

lick-o-vision

[stuck viper]

controversial opinion idc about analog triggers at all

but i dont play racing games

thats literally the only genre they matter for

[rapid dawn]

What's funny is when I play racing games with analog triggers I always hit them to the max

[still quail]

Man I was really hoping the Joy-Cons would have a bit of a bulge on the back, my hands are quite big and I never could get along with them.

Also, no analog triggers and no different joystick?

[high barn]

They’re going all in, it’s gonna have the EA works.

Literally every digital game you will require you to randomly get it from a Loot Box (you can’t directly buy games), and it’s the only storefront that will give you multiple copies of a digitally purchased game.

[proper bear]

I honestly give no craps about controllers. I can find 3rd parties I like. Thank God they're removable. I just hope they have some other cool accessories up their sleeves

[rapid dawn]

They didn't say anything about the joystick or the triggers. But leaks say hall effect joysticks but not analog triggers.

[leaden kiln]

I would never play no driving games on switch hell no unless the name is Mario kart

[stuck viper]

it was kinda baffling how poorly EA supported the switch

[odd scaffold]

They sell physical games that are just generic game boxes and you have to buy it and open it to find out what game you got or if you just got dlc for some other game

[still quail]

I get that, I care a lot about it since I mainly play racing games. And the default joycons are AWFUL if you want to play racing games haha.

[proper bear]

Which to be fair is THE driving game 😆

[stuck viper]

i know third parties were skeptical at first but it seems like they just didnt care and what games we did get they put 0 effort in and then wondered why they didnt sell well

[rapid dawn]

All they do is re-release the same game every year but with more expensive graphics, so the Switch was too underpowered to keep up with that scheme.

[leaden kiln]

Ea is being Ea but now switch 2 comes out they would be bit serious this time

[stuck viper]

not even Fzero?

[proper bear]

EA would never optimize for hardware either

[stuck viper]

😭

[steady warren]

So its Just a bigger OLED

[leaden kiln]

You know what hell yeah f zero

[iron apex]

Bulge can never happen because of the joy cons having to work as 2 separate controllers

[odd scaffold]

Detachable booty

[still quail]

They could make it detachable yeah

Or sell an official grip at least

[stuck viper]

nintendo be sitting on a Forza killer with F Zero, and they just go

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-sleep-goodnight-meme-goodnight-bro-minecraft-gif-21455562

[leaden kiln]

F zero is actually cool ass game

[iron apex]

Trust me there will be soooo much better third party offerings come out

[leaden kiln]

Nintendo need to revive that game asap

[proper bear]

So much better

[still quail]

I liked my switch but my main issue was, I just couldn't hold it. My hands cramped after 10 minutes. Had to buy the Nitro Deck and that fixed it

[high barn]

Who knew the Switch being underpowered was secretly a based move on Nintendo’s part meant to spite EA?

“You can’t expect us to port our repeat game to this! It’ll never run! How can we make money off switch sales if it can’t play the game?”

“We don’t want you here to begin with. Get out of our office.”

[proper bear]

So much better I wish all handhelds came with detachable controls 😆

[still quail]

I hope Nitro Deck for switch 2 comes out

[iron apex]

I’m certain it will

Free money

[rapid dawn]

I am still mad about how t hey didn't fix the dpad

[still quail]

same

[iron apex]

Switch 2 accessories are literally free money

[leaden kiln]

Quick question would nitro deck make another one for switch 2

[stuck viper]

NIntendo drops multiplayer in MP4 and releases a new F Zero, Xbox gonna start sweating

[rapid dawn]

Oh well I guess extremeRate are going to keep making money from me.

[still quail]

I hope so

[rapid dawn]

They most definitely will

[lean lotus]

I don't see why they wouldn't.

[leaden kiln]

Because if nitro deck can do that I don't have to think about getting switch 2 lite

[iron apex]

Everyone and their mum will keep making switch accessories

[lean lotus]

Eh, I'd probably still consider a Switch 2 Lite, mostly because I generally prefer a smaller handheld over a bigger one.

[rapid dawn]

Also I am guessing that the "Certain games" that won't work with the Switch are the Labo stuff that was made to fit the original Switch tablet

[stuck viper]

i really hope prime 4 does well man

[rapid dawn]

RIP to Labo VR

[high barn]

Alongside stuff like Ring Fit, which was made for the Switch 1 Joycon.

[rapid dawn]

I am guessing you'll be able to sync joycons to the Switch 2, so technically you can play ring fit.

[lean lotus]

Could also be random inexplicable games that just don't wanna work right.

Like how Nier Automata for PS4 had a crash when played on PS5 for a little while.

[high barn]

Let me guess, your next line is “Oh fuck, I forgot about Ring Fit!”

[still quail]

Also, since the leaks seem to be correct so far. Will the game price increase also be true? I saw that new games might cost €79??

[stuck viper]

do yall think switch 2 is gonna be a longer generation than the first switch or shorter

[iron apex]

Maybe that’s true but I’d guess that’ll only be the case for a handful of games which would actually be worth that price tag

[still quail]

Oh they're gonna milk it

[lean lotus]

Sure, but I doubt they'd call that strictly "compatible".

You can do the same for Switch Lite, but it's be a pretty bad experience imo.

[high barn]

I want it to be.

Make the Switch 2 last 14 years, then the Switch 3 lasts 21.

[still quail]

They'll release an OLED and different versions just like the og switch probably

[leaden kiln]

Honestly YES

[stuck viper]

if they slash the prices on switch 1 units itll 100% hit that best selling console of all time

[rapid dawn]

I'll group the Ring Fit and most Labo kits on the "Bad experience" group and Labo VR on the "downright incompatible" group.

[still quail]

Isn't PS2 still like 15 million ahead?

[high barn]

By the time we get to Switch 4, people who bought a Switch 1 might literally be dead from old age.

[lean lotus]

Switch from release to Switch 2 release will be seven years. Obviously it's not just gonna be just done as soon as 2 is released. But I expect if the Switch 2 does really well, it'll be another 6-8 years, and if poorly then probably 4-6 years.

[still quail]

I'm not sure switch 1 can overtake PS2

[leaden kiln]

I think they can if nintendo really want to do that

[stuck viper]

im not sure the specific number but we also have no idea until we get another official report

[lean lotus]

Woops made it too short

Yeah about 15m

[rapid dawn]

What if PoE 2 for the Switch?

[stuck viper]

i feel like sony is 100% inflating the numbers

[rapid dawn]

I wouldn't mind being able to play PoE 2 with more battery.

[still quail]

Yeah I figured

[lean lotus]

But yeah, with a slashed price before holidays, I can easily see the Switch overtaking. Tons of people would still buy an older console if it's $100 off.

[high barn]

They don’t have to, all they have to do is say nothing and let PS2 fanboys keep the inflated number they’ve always had.

[stuck viper]

yeah switch never had a price drop

[still quail]

Man I just checked that list, xbox series really selling so much worse than ps5?

Off-topic I know

[iron apex]

They always added a game and free Nintendo online, right?

[lean lotus]

The Switch got the Switch Lite, that was the price drop

[high barn]

PS5 is also selling way worse than the Switch.

[leaden kiln]

I would say switch 1 or lite would be for kids switch 2 for adults

[meager hatch]

Uh guys

https://youtu.be/itpcsQQvgAQ?si=9KwnEQQ0mStu28as

[still quail]

But still double to the xbox, didn't expect that

[meager hatch]

Has anyone posted this yet

[lean lotus]

Nope

Not at all

[proper bear]

A while ago yeah

[still quail]

PS5 already has 65 million in only 4 years, that's not bad tbh

[iron apex]

No you’re first

[high barn]

Yeah, we’ve been talking about this for a while now.

[meager hatch]

Ah ok, just woke up

[stuck viper]

ayo the ps5 hasnt even crossed the 3ds?!?!?!!

[leaden kiln]

About a week ago

[high barn]

No one saw it until they posted it here.

[still quail]

nope

[proper bear]

I'm still sad they didn't bring 3DS tech to the switch 😭😭😭

[iron apex]

All good there wasn’t shown much anyway

Now we wait

[iron apex]

Yes

[still quail]

Xbox Series hasn't even overtaken the N64

[stuck viper]

ngl i feel like the ps5 is borderline a flop itself

nothing compared to whats going on with xbox

but not having passed the 3ds is crazy

[leaden kiln]

Ps5 is basically better ps4

[high barn]

Yeah, it’s a real freaking flop.

[stuck viper]

BRUH

[iron apex]

I think it’s doing just fine, no?

[still quail]

It makes sense though why Xbox is failing so much harder than ps is

[leaden kiln]

Ps5 and xbox series sales would be pick up when gta 6 comes out

[stuck viper]

microsoft leaving the console market

[lean lotus]

I bought my PS5 to be a PS4 Pro Pro lol.

[silent otter]

Scalpers made it really hard to get PS5. People just moved on.

[still quail]

Massive L for microsoft lmao

[stuck viper]

i bet $200 rn someone can screencap this,

Microsoft will leave the console market in the 2030s

[lean lotus]

Well yeah, why do you think Xbox is so hard focused on being a subscription service and tossing their games onto other platforms?

[high barn]

But don’t worry Xbox fans, Phil Spencer will eventually save the brand.

He’s definitely not counting every single second, waiting for when he can finally use his golden parachute and fuck off as Xbox goes down in flames and Microsoft moves on from the game business.

[rapid dawn]

They are leaving it this year.

[iron apex]

“Anything is a Xbox”

[leaden kiln]

Xbox problem is they given up like no games they don't even market their console

[rapid dawn]

"Anything is an Xbox" is basically the end of Xbox as a console

[stuck viper]

all those acquisitions for basically nothing

[lean lotus]

They gave up before they actually made any good games lol.

[leaden kiln]

Like xbox series have all tools expect the games

[lean lotus]

I don't think Xbox will leave the console market, mostly because they would still want at least a box for people to use with Game Pass.

[stuck viper]

in before gamepass on switch 2

probably wont happen just because switch is arm

xbox is x86

[lean lotus]

But it definitely won't be a hard focus.

[foggy raft]

But is it plastic? Kinda looks like exposed pcb or even metal

[leaden kiln]

Don't forget Phil said they basically given up catching playstation

[ivory nova]

"Oh look, a Switch 2 thread, let's see what they're talking about in there"

"FUCK XBOX"

"Yeah that tracks..."

[lean lotus]

lol

Peeps looked at console sales

Saw Xbox being sad

[stuck viper]

theyll probably switch to just streaming boxes 🤡

[high barn]

Damn, someone better tell Phil his efforts are all in vain then, so that they can actually start making some good ideas.

[leaden kiln]

It's doesn't really matter in the end of the day people would choose playstation over them

[tawny halo]

Just spotted they removed the IR sensors. So im guessing thats what they mean with compatibility so ring fit adventure, 1 2 switch etc

[iron apex]

Man I’ve been saving up to buy this with a few games on launch

[coarse vale]

Supposedly, the next gen Xbox will apparently be a platform licensed to other OEMs, but that may be inaccurate

[lean lotus]

I actually kinda doubt that. Because Xbox is such a USA centric device, and realistically the internet infrastructure just isn't there yet for most of the US for game streaming imo.

[iron apex]

But it won’t drop before July

[high barn]

Yeah, but getting shot by Sony would still be better than deliberately shooting your own foot!

[stuck viper]

i mean if were talking 2030s

[iron apex]

The last tryout / showcase event in Seoul lasts until July first

[rapid dawn]

since the controller is black the IR sensor could be hidden

[ivory nova]

"Now introducing the Xbox Streaming Stick." Just like a Roku

[iron apex]

So there won’t be a release in the first half of this year

[lean lotus]

And people have been talking about improving them since the 90s.

Barely better since then outside of the bigger cites.

[high barn]

Especially since shooting themselves hasn’t stopped Sony from shooting them to begin with!

[tawny halo]

Maybe. But looks like shell rather than IR. But in fairness we know nothing at this stage

[ivory nova]

Even in a big city I can't get fiber

[lean lotus]

almost as if allowing them to all be local monopolies was a fucking stupid idea

[iron apex]

Switch 2 game trailers might happen any day now

[stuck viper]

i dont live in a major city at all here in the south

and i have fiber

[iron apex]

Or at least announcements, not full trailers

[stuck viper]

i might just be lucky tho

[ivory nova]

Skyrim re-release for Switch 2 when?

[lean lotus]

You're lucky lol

[stuck viper]

im like an hour away from the next real major city

[high barn]

Is the Switch variant compatible with mods? If not, that’s potentially gonna be coming with a Switch 2 rerelease/update (and why I avoided buying the Switch release).

[fervent onyx]

Good, you're awake

[leaden kiln]

True like I love my xbox series s I love features and stuff but when it comes games and exclusives they are lacking so much even tho I'm not really big on exclusives you can tell playstation and nintendo got exclusives that people actually enjoy and its not like too bad bad

[stuck viper]

if you have a modded switch maybe

[ivory nova]

Oh no, this actually sounds like something they might do lol

[rapid dawn]

Nintendo and mods = no

[iron apex]

https://x.com/6d6f636869/status/1879881639754621436?s=46

Takashi Mochizuki (@6d6f636869) on X

Nintendo Switch 2 launch is then (probably) in June or afterward.

X · Jan 16, 2025, 1:21 PM

[stuck viper]

june is what im betting on

[iron apex]

June it is

[high barn]

It’s Bethesda, they literally have survived to this day because of mod support.

[iron apex]

Pokémon legends ZA was rumored for August

[ivory nova]

So the market will be flooded with really cheap Switches in June

[iron apex]

And is called “ launch title”

So maybe July or August

But ideally June

[stuck viper]

i wonder if sony and xbox tries to make handhelds to compete with nintendo if theyll even do all that well

nintendos ace up their sleeve is games

and specificially exclusives

[high barn]

We’re currently talking about an unstoppable force (Bethesda literally relying on users making and using mods to survive as a company) meeting an unmovable object (Nintendo’s hatred of mods), where the Switch 1 not supporting it could actually be pretty easily explained as “the damn thing needed a dedicated port to work, mods for the original games absolutely won’t run”.

[lean lotus]

So you're saying I should sell my Switch now. Got it.

[ivory nova]

Sony tried but they kept making mini-consoles that were too expensive to support

[rapid dawn]

I am actually excited about the top USB C. Hoping it allows PD, it would allow custom stands much easier to do.

[ivory nova]

I just bought a Legion Go finally, so I've already got my "Switch 2"

[high barn]

We’ll definitely have to see which side wins if/when Skyrim gets a Switch 2 update that doesn’t add mod support.

[stuck viper]

nintendo having just one console instead of being split between a console and a handheld with their own unique games helps them a lot

[rapid dawn]

but can it play Echoes of wisdom without rift glitches

[ivory nova]

It does indeed

[stuck viper]

ngl nintendos dedicated handhelds third party support was a lot of shovelware mainly

[rapid dawn]

but it did also have Dummy Thermal, Lumines and Tetris effect connected.

Oh and Marvel v Capcom collection

Honestly, can't complaint about Switch third party support

[ivory nova]

The Wii U flop taught them they needed third party support

[stuck viper]

i wasnt talking about the switch

i was talking like the 3ds

[rapid dawn]

The DS (dual screen) era was hell for the third party devs

[lean lotus]

I mean, Nintendo's just used to not having a ton of 3rd party support lol.

[rapid dawn]

it's a miracle there were any third party games as opposed to nintendo just getting the words "fuck you" in their mail.

[lean lotus]

They stopped getting it regularly towards the tail end of the Gamecube's life lol.

[ivory nova]

The Switch 2 needs to have a better eShop for the love of all things good

[lean lotus]

All console shops are awful and that'll never change.

[ivory nova]

No more sifting through three tons of e-waste and shovelware to see good games

[stuck viper]

nintendo so unused to third party support they think they still have to bribe third parties to be "second party" using their IPs

i still find it crazy nintendo doesnt buy companies like Hal or Intelegent Systems

hell Hal owns half of kirby

[lean lotus]

They don't really need to

[stuck viper]

but theyll buy next level lol

[high barn]

The DS was unique enough that all the more eccentric devs were legit ecstatic and actively felt a desire to make something for it.

[lean lotus]

Also, you know, DS games were cheap to make

[ivory nova]

They burned a lot of their 3rd party connections starting with their refusal to move to CDs with the N64. Square Enix notably jumped ship

[rapid dawn]

Nintendo are just a supersticious cowardly bunch

[high barn]

I firmly believe Kojima was begging to make a game for the system that would’ve required the Microphone and a Slot-2 add-on that read your heart rate (or some other weird idea for a slot-2 attachment).

[rapid dawn]

In all fairness, their super restrictive cartridges might have been what prevented them from experiencing Atari's fate, but by N64 days that was just stupid.

[high barn]

The Nintendo Seal of Approval was a direct response to Atari games’…complete lack of quality assurance.

[ivory nova]

Everyone moves to CDs: let's stay with cartridges!

Everyone moves to DVDs: let's make miniature CDs!

Everyone moves to Blu-Ray: Okay I guess we'll do DVDs now. Then we go back to cartridges next.

[stuck viper]

nintendo gets to live life on easy mode, competing platforms have to drop morbillions of dollars for these photo realistic games, and nintendos just over here releasing glorified AA games

[high barn]

And somehow cartridges (at least nowadays with current flash storage capabilities) were the smartest move after all, since those were the only things that would work for a handheld system.

[stuck viper]

at 60 bucks a pop and never discounts them

[ivory nova]

The Switch tax

[rapid dawn]

But tbf the uncanny valley isn't making AAA "photo realistic" games any favors.

[stuck viper]

some of these numbers are genuinely disgusting

[ivory nova]

The Switch tax is probably a lot of the reason why the Steam Deck did so well

[high barn]

The tax for buying a game for an actually successful console.

[ivory nova]

That and more power

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-nes-playing-with-power-gif-26371320

[stuck viper]

nintendo definitely had their tax

but third parties were disgusting with some of their pricing

[lean lotus]

Is this easy mode, or is this just "playing smarter not harder"?

[stuck viper]

they wouldnt even bother to get a big enough catridge size and sell a glofiried download code in the box for full price of a game thats super compromised and sometimes even a decade old

[ivory nova]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-column-gif-14687737

[leaden kiln]

Yepp

[rapid dawn]

Maybe smarter

[high barn]

You can’t convince me that the only reason games on Sony and Microsoft were getting bigger discounts than Switch versions of those games, wasn’t because the Switch versions were literally selling way more and they needed to give an incentive for people to buy the other console versions.

[stuck viper]

im a linux nerd so im obligated to be a steam deck fan boy

[tawny halo]

We going with June then? Better start filling the piggy bank

https://tenor.com/view/sml-breaking-piggy-bank-bowser-junior-joseph-cody-gif-27274455

[ivory nova]

The true reason creativity is dying in the AAA space. Can't afford the risk.

[lean lotus]

I started with the new year.

Just tossing $20 every payday to the side to save up.

[high barn]

And hell, the only times you’ll see legit big discounts for switch games is when those same third party games aren’t doing well.

[tawny halo]

Same! 💪 switch fund

[stuck viper]

im curious what metroid prime 4 development cost in total is gonna end up being

considering it got fully scrapped and restarted

bro how badly did bandi namco fuck up Prime 4

[ivory nova]

Hey you're the perfect person to help me make this sandwich. So we need bread, but we need to enter the exact correct phrase into this command prompt to summon it from a server. And then we have to input about six more commands to move the bread from inside the container to the counter, then eight more to remove the bread from the bag and put it on the plate.

[stuck viper]

if you think thats bad, just you wait when you want to have some chips with your sandwich

[high barn]

Yup, and it’s literally their own fault, since the indie and even budget dev team games are doing pretty fine on their own.

[ivory nova]

I love poking fun at Linux because I'm too dumb to figure out how to do simple tasks

Windows has smoothed my brain out

[lean lotus]

I got $60 save so far. So I should have more than enough save up in my theory-release month of June.

About $440 if I stop on my last payday before June. Enough for the console and some games.

[stuck viper]

linux really isnt that hard to use anymore if you have basic computing skills

and thats not even me being elitst

still a learning curve obviously

[ivory nova]

Eh I still can't figure out how to mod games on my Deck 😅

[lean lotus]

I stopped using it solely because I had a ton of very tiny annoying issues.

[stuck viper]

a lot of people dont even know how to use windows anymore

[ivory nova]

Indie is the wave of the future

[stuck viper]

truth

[high barn]

I yearn for the day a AAA dev will just focus most of their budget on optimization, to make their game run on lower end systems with the best performance possible (like smooth 60fps on Switch 1, and then 90fps at least for stuff like the Steam Deck onwards, Linux in general getting dedicated native builds instead of the usual “let proton sort it out”).

…Oh wait, that’s just straight up Sonic Team’s current plans, and they’re not even AAA.

[ivory nova]

Diminishing returns means graphics "peaked" like ten years ago anyway

[stuck viper]

idk if im just weird but i never really understood "setting aside x each paycheck" for something,

I just have my budget, i know how much i save each month, if i have my emergency fund and car repair fund fully funded, i know how much I have of surplus to make a purchase / put money aside into investments

[ivory nova]

Look at like anything that was on the Frostbite 3 engine and tell me that doesn't still look great today? Wasting time, money, and system power on tiny graphical enhancements

[warped heath]

[stuck viper]

i wish this was our timeline

[warped heath]

also not full compat with switch games is crazy

[lean lotus]

Because I have two accounts, savings and checkings. 1, Pay bills if its the first paycheck of the month, 2, toss as much as I can into savings, and 3, whatever is left goes to my checkings to be used for that week. Can be stuff like meals, snacks, or fun things.

I can easily afford a theoritical $350-$400 Switch 2 right now. But spending big in one is much more painful to my brain than a bunch of little spendings.

[iron apex]

Probably just a handful of games

[lean lotus]

New Joycons don't have IR

[stuck viper]

i feel like were going to see some sort of gaming crash happen at least in the AAA market

[warped heath]

ie, not full backwards compatability

[ivory nova]

Yes

[stuck viper]

and nintendos going to be like the only one to get out unharmed

[ivory nova]

Already happening to Ubisoft

[lean lotus]

Infinite Growth™️

[ivory nova]

It likely won't be the whole thing crashing at once, just publishers and devs collapsing under their own weight one by one

[high barn]

Hell, I just straight up put it on the card and immediately pay everything currently in my available budget (not the money I have to use for actual needs), and then pay off the rest of it as soon as possible.

[stuck viper]

i guess thats fair different brains

[stuck viper]

oh i put basically everything i possibly can i can get away with on my credit cards to get cash back, and set it to pay the whole balance every month

im good at generally keeping up with what im spending tho, i definetly wouldnt recommend many people to do that

[high barn]

When you actually have a good frugal instinct for card payments, those kinds of purchases become a lot easier.

[proper bear]

It's a slippery slope but I do it too

Sometimes too much cool stuff drops in a month and I carry a balance

[ivory nova]

Yeah I'm not going to talk about my slip down that slope, but needless to say it can be tricky

[stuck viper]

i could pay for a switch 2 rn, technically but im trying to save for a move around september

[high barn]

(Although, me being in a decently inexpensive college and commuting, while also having a decently paying job, helps a lot).

[ivory nova]

I'm not buyin a Switch 2 until at least 2026

[stuck viper]

i only make 16 an hour, but rents relatively cheap where i live

[high barn]

Oh absolutely, you need to be careful with it, and make sure you only do stuff your budget will allow you to completely pay off in minimal weeks.

[stuck viper]

gonna see about moving to a 2 bedroom inorder to split rent, cuz im living in a 1bed rn, and i could very easily save myself at least another 2-300 a month splitting a 2 bed

[stuck viper]

anbernic strikes again

[proper bear]

Amen. Lol

I need to sell some stuff. Just waiting for it all to come in and make decisions... But I'm glad switch isn't as inticing as I wanted so far

[high barn]

Just be sure to be careful about who you live with. If you personally know anyone you would fully trust that currently needs a space like that as well, definitely go with them.

[ivory nova]

I sell kidney on black market, afford Switch 2 now

[stuck viper]

oh yeah its gonna be me and my sister cosigning a place

[high barn]

There you go.

[ivory nova]

Might as well call that apartment the octagon and glove up

[stuck viper]

kinda sad that you basically have to have roommates now to either just live, or to be comfortable depending where you at

https://tenor.com/view/switch-sponge-bob-laugh-funny-giggle-gif-11883699

[lean lotus]

Yep

[stuck viper]

that 300-400 price point is basically the max i can even really feel comfortable spending on consoles

so if nintendo ever went far beyond that ill literally be priced out

[lean lotus]

Savin' up is generally how I can feel better about purchase greater than ~$150 at once.

Or spliting it up I guess. Paypal letting me split things into four biweekly payments helps the brain as well.

It's how I got my Odin 2 Pro

[ivory nova]

PC hardware has eternally skewed my perception of price

"$400? That's barely a graphics card!"

[lean lotus]

And then PC makers go "why doesn't everyone make a PC!?"

Just poking a tad of fun lol.

[stuck viper]

I've always avoided those payment plans. Mainly because I feel like I'm generally better off just getting the 2% discount from my card

And I avoid buying wants I know I can't afford

[stuck viper]

Main reason why I never built a pc

I prefer to game in bed mainly anyways

[ivory nova]

You bed gamers perplex me

I have tried many times

[lean lotus]

Honestly I just think about making a third bank account lol. Savings, for savings, checkings for stuff like bills and meals, and then a second checkings, for fun shit and snacks.

But I've been too lazy lately to actually bug my bank about it.

[lean lotus]

I just. Sit in the bed?

[ivory nova]

I am either deeply uncomfortable the whole time or I fall asleep and drop the Switch on my face

[stuck viper]

I tolerate gaming at a desk

[lean lotus]

Do people actually hold shit above their face?

[stuck viper]

I HATE gaming on a couch

[lean lotus]

I'm usually just leaning back into my pillows/headboard, with my handheld at my belly.

[stuck viper]

Oh yeah I never am literally laying down

Same

[lean lotus]

Same way I'd sit in a nice recliner chair or something.

[ivory nova]

For why?

[stuck viper]

Man I want a recliner so bad

I just hate having the screen so far away.

[ivory nova]

Ah

[stuck viper]

And I'm too broke to buy some huge ass TV

[ivory nova]

I solved that problem with a medical overbed desk

[lean lotus]

Sorta like this, but a tad more reclined back.

[spice badge]

That’s why futons are superior for gaming! Lol

[stuck viper]

Us bed gamers gonna have god awful neck pains when we're older

[lean lotus]

Probably yeah

[spice badge]

Get a goose neck

[lean lotus]

I almost never played on my TV until I moved it closer to my bed lol. It's 43" but just slightly too far for me to actually use from my bed lmao.

So I eventually moved it to the end of my bed, on top of a dresser. It's basically always off unless I'm gaming anyway.

[spice badge]

I love the docked steam os experience

[lean lotus]

Amazing what moving something ~3 feet will do.

[stuck slate]

https://tenor.com/view/goose-geese-goosey-canada-goose-gif-25374618

[spice badge]

When I get a sw2 it’ll mostly stay docked as well

[stuck slate]

I'll probably exclusively play it in handheld

[lean lotus]

I used my Switch almost entirely in handheld mode. Only rarely in TV mode.

[spice badge]

I’m the opposite

But it’s pretty much the only thing my girlfriend likes playing lol

So it’s more like a home console for us

[stuck viper]

i hope the switch 2 has an actual decent wifi card

[iron apex]

And that’s without games, accessories and an online subscription

[stuck viper]

bro switch 1 wifi card was utter trash

[lean lotus]

Honestly, instead of getting the PS6 I'm probably either gonna build a nice, relatively cheaper 1080p 60FPS PC with SteamOS. Especially since I don't give a shit about multiplayer, so don't have to worry about anti-cheats, and I don't really need 4K. Or I'll just get a Steam Deck 2, and hope it's decently compatible with an eGPU.

[stuck viper]

i said consoles

[stuck viper]

steam deck 2

[iron apex]

I know

[spice badge]

Well the steam OS pc you can pretty much do that now lol

[stuck viper]

im glad valve is actually waiting

[iron apex]

I just meant it’ll all add up

[stuck viper]

oh yeah

[lean lotus]

It's more that I'm just waiting for this console gen to be over lol.

[iron apex]

The same with emulation handhelds

[lean lotus]

Steam Deck 2 will come some day.

[spice badge]

It’ll be a good while

[stuck viper]

valve is actually treating and supporting steam deck like a console manufacturer

[lean lotus]

I mean, 2027 isn't that far right?

[iron apex]

It gets so expensive finding good quality cartridges and CDs to rip your ROMs from

Because as we all know most people like to legally source their ROMs

[stuck viper]

all these laptop companies are just droping a new one every year with windows and a half assed launcher software and calling it a day

[lean lotus]

But yeah, since I'm waiting for this console gen to be over, it's not like I'm in a hurry with this plan.

I mean they have to to make money lol

[stuck viper]

seems to be changing now that lenovo partnered with valve

[lean lotus]

Valve doesn't need to, they have Steam to print money for 'em.

[stuck viper]

i like following the retro handheld scene, but the rg35sp is all i really need

[lean lotus]

PC companies need you, or someone else, to be buying the next new PC so that they can then make money.

There's no real money to be made supporting a singular device for longer than the warranty for companies.

[stuck viper]

if someone ever makes an afordable dual screen handheld / verticle touch screen handheld

ill buy in

[lean lotus]

MagicX Touch Zero 40

[iron apex]

True I had one but gave it away.
Then I ordered a cubexx and sold it because it was too bulky.
Reordering the 35xxsp

[stuck viper]

yeah valve can sell their stuff at a loss for that exact reason

and if they partner with their competitors to get their os onto their devices, valve is laughing all the way to the bank

[lean lotus]

I don't think the Steam Deck was sold at a loss. Or if it was, only at the start.

But I do know it was "painful" to price it at its price point. So if it does make money per purchase, then not a lot again though only at the start.

Since the cost to produce something generally goes down with time.

[stuck viper]

it might not be a loss nw

now

[lean lotus]

Ye

[iron apex]

Unless MagicX drops this out of nowhere

[stuck viper]

i definitely believe it started as one

[lean lotus]

I think it was probably just little to no profit, but not a loss. But then it doesn't really make much difference, since either way they'd only do that because of Steam subsidising it.

[spice badge]

I would be ashamed to say how often I buy games purely for my steam deck

[stuck viper]

give us a roughly around $100 handheld purpose built for ds in mind and ill pick one up

[spice badge]

Even though I have a good pc lmao

[stuck viper]

i know the argument is "just buy a used ds at that point"

but being able to use emulator features is nice

[lean lotus]

#1266817458417832110 message

I did buy a used DS Lite btw, was fucking awful lol

Screens were super yellowed, obviously refurbished with no care whatsoever, buttons felt bad, etc.

[glad cradle]

Oblivion remaster as launch title?

[lean lotus]

And then Morrowind remaster for Switch 3 launch

[stuck viper]

ds screens were honestly awful in general, dsi xl at least had dual ips but still

XL screens are honestly too big for the device's resolution

yall think 3d mario is still gonna be the big holiday title

[high barn]

Same here, I already play the Switch almost exclusively handheld, it’s why getting the OLED was an easy decision (better screen, better speakers, basically just better handheld experience overall).

[lean lotus]

I wanna get a New 3DS, not XL, but don't wanna spend the money lol. That and I would want to buy from someone actually showing pictures of the device I'd be buying. eBay sellers just have sample images of probably they're best looking one in the batch.

Switch 2 Lite OLED wen

[stuck viper]

i mean is Mario Kart 9, Pokemon Legends ZA, and Metroid Prime 4 enough for launch

2 of those are likely cross gen so id count them

[stuck viper]

docked only players legit had almost no reason to buy an oled

[hollow halo]

of all the things I expected nintendo to incorporate from pc handhelds, I definitely did not think they would take the optical mouse mode thing lol

[stuck viper]

only benefit was included ethernet

[high barn]

Yup.

[stuck viper]

but you could always just buy an adapter

[high barn]

Hence why it was a better sell to mostly-handheld/handheld-only players.

[hollow halo]

but down on the side is genius, then your left and right mouse buttons are right there

[stuck viper]

do yall think if nintendo did do a proper mid gen refresh

theyll bring back the "new" naming

New Nintendo Switch 2

[stuck slate]

I sure hope not

[spice badge]

Prob an oled and/or lite model

[high barn]

By Mid-Gen refresh, do you mean besides the OLED?

[lean lotus]

Maybe. the rumors say the Switch Pro got canned due to Covid and supply chain issues.

But who knows.

[stuck slate]

But hardware revisions have been a thing since the original NES and Gameboy

[lean lotus]

Nintendo Switch 2 Color

[stuck viper]

i mean i think theyd only do 1 proper refresh,

[high barn]

Because that’s the only mid-gen refresh that would make sense for a handheld/hybrid like the Switch consoles.

[hollow halo]

also, sideways joycon now has 4 shoulder buttons right? looks like it

[stuck viper]

so theyd either do a full "pro" or just an oled model

[stuck slate]

Also I'm pretty sure every Nintendo system has had a hardware revision

Except maybe Wii u

[high barn]

I wouldn’t expect a Switch 2 Pro given that Pro model could easily just be a Switch 3.

[stuck viper]

switch 1 technically had one

with the battery life increase

if your excluding lite and oled models

[stuck slate]

Those are revisions

[high barn]

N64 never got a hardware revision.

[lean lotus]

:sadge:

[stuck viper]

i was more trying to say that even the original switch model got revised without it being a new sku

[high barn]

And arguably the GBC never got one either, if we consider it as a separate console and only count the Pocket and Light as Gameboy Revisions.

[stuck viper]

they did stop producing budget model with lower storage, and slashed the deluxe price down to the standard model's 299

but thats not really a revision

[stuck slate]

Yeah that's just two different tiers from the start

[high barn]

Of course, doing that is stupid, since the Color is literally just a Gameboy in color.

[stuck viper]

honestly GBC was clearly just a mid gen refresh in retrospect

[stuck slate]

Yeah

A lot of GBC games ran on original GB too

[stuck viper]

its just a GB with more colors basically

[hollow halo]

5D chess conspiracy: Nintendo made an optical mouse feature in switch 2 joycons to make emulating more confusing/frustrating. if you lock your computer mouse to the switch optical sensor, how are you gonna control anything else for the emulator UI??

[high barn]

Yup, I’m just saying this as an acknowledgment of the existence for the “Gameboy didn’t have good games, all the good games were Color games” argument that treats the Color as a different system, and also recognizing it as a stupid-ass argument that would be best to ignore.

[stuck viper]

bro i just realized the mouse is gonna be nice if you want to do mario maker 3 docked

[stuck viper]

wario land >:C

mario land 2

links awakening

literal tetris

[hollow halo]

will be sick for moonlight when homebrew happens

[stuck viper]

pokemon

[lean lotus]

I'd change the statement to:
Unless it was a Nintendo published game, very very few OG Game Boy games are worth playing.

[hollow halo]

also, could that be inspired by PCs becoming more prevalent in Japan, and more young kids preferring MKB as a result of watching streamers?

[stuck viper]

honestly i wont be surprised if homebrew is only through mod chips this time

[lean lotus]

Same

[clever geyser]

Now bring on the switch 2 only titles !

[high barn]

Exactly.

“But (insert color compatible game like Link’s Awakening here) is a GBC game!”

They’re color ports of good Gameboy Classic games, to the point that Link’s Awakening DX literally can still be played on a classic Gameboy. Hell, Link’s Awakening literally was a Gameboy Classic only game originally, it got a new DX version for the GBC.

[stuck viper]

basically no software exploits happened for the first switch

[hollow halo]

my little cousins first game was fortnite on his school laptop, now he mainly plays MKB

[stuck viper]

wasnt it nvidias fault for the switch 1 being hacked

[lean lotus]

I mean, Nintendo bought the off-the-shelf Tegra, so "we" already know how to mess with it.

[high barn]

The earliest I remember this argument was from a Podcast where 1 guy was getting irritated and asking “we shitting on gameboys?” And another guy unironically saying “yeah we are. I had a Game Gear, it had color!”

And the dumbest part is that first dude never thought to make the argument that the Gameboy Color literally only had a few games that were exclusively for GBC, and that every other game was a Classic Gameboy game with added color compatibility.

[glad cradle]

plug in a usbc mouse

[stuck viper]

bruh when cod comes to the next switch, you know all the sweats gonna be playing with the mouse

[glad cradle]

it’s an excuse for all new handhelds to come with a trackpad or ball

[stuck viper]

if they bother to even support it

[hollow halo]

id love that to become a standard, even if its just misguided follow the leader

[high barn]

God I wish. That mod for the RGB30 is still one of the coolest things I’ve seen in a while and I hate that I can barely find any info on it.

[stuck viper]

i feel like we could start seeing a lot of pc games coming over then

in handheld have mouse input mapped to the touchscreen

docked using the joycon mouse

[glad cradle]

I hope mouse support can be patched into old switch 1 games

[echo dew]

apparently this leaked and is legit

[main otter]

If this is true, British people will be furious

[echo dew]

doesn't look like it's worded too naturally though

[glad cradle]

11 July 2025

[echo dew]

and 1€=1$ would be really strange

[main otter]

You mean the number in euros should be higher?

[echo dew]

i have my doubts that it's real

[echo dew]

it used to be normal

but right now 1€ is actually almost 1$, and prices in europe are always with tax added and in us without

[hollow halo]

given the other consoles in the market rn this is banger pricing

[echo dew]

so it would be like 15-20% cheaper in europe if that's real

[main otter]

Yeah. I know Apple products are like 20% more expensive in Europe due to tax

Which sucks

[echo dew]

switch 1 was already 299$ and 329€

[tawny halo]

We always get shafted 😅

[main otter]

With details aside though, I think $399 is very likely

[echo dew]

my guess has always been 400 or 450

[main otter]

That’s sound a big jump from switch 1

[echo dew]

inflation has been huge after 2017

[main otter]

Some rumors say switch 2 will have LCD instead of OLED

Possibly to cut cost

[hollow halo]

https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2017?amount=300

[main otter]

So maybe they want to keep 399

[hollow halo]

$300 in 2017 is worth $386.27 today

[main otter]

Wow the inflation is real

Now I feel steam deck is dirt cheap. Maybe I should buy one

[rapid dawn]

It IS dirt cheap. A lot of the cost is subventioned by Valve because they expect you to spend more on Steam.

[high barn]

We’ve already talked about this exact image earlier, it came from a leak that even Jigg doesn’t feel fully comfortable trusting.

[main otter]

Yeah, they are just like Nintendo / Sony. While Asus / Lenovo needs to get profit from hardware

[echo dew]

yeah sorry, after posting it it started looking weird

[lavish moat]

A hotkey like w/ Steam overlay (shift + Tab) maybe

[clever geyser]

I’m furious.. but I’ll pay it

[clever geyser]

Hope we don’t have the switch 1 holding back games ont he switch 2 for too long

[gusty shell]

I still think the right joycon accent looks orangish. This leads me to believe that the surprise launch title will be Portal 3 - Valve had to partner with Nintendo to be able to release a third game in a series! 😜 Oh and it will actually be running SteamOS and they got both Switch and Steam games working on arm now! Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I think the chromatic evidence supports it! 🤯

[echo dew]

the neon red has always been orangeish

maybe a bit more with the switch 2

[rapid dawn]

This would be akin to Microsoft and Apple just randomly deciding to merge their ecosystems

[heavy zodiac]

I can see broken off pogo pins

[heavy zodiac]

Does it going to have access to steam?

Or it's just a rumor?

[rapid dawn]

I was talking about the Steam Deck

[heavy zodiac]

Ahh was hoping for it tho 😂

[gusty shell]

I'm starting the rumor here #1285957011451809834 message with undeniable chromatic evidence - it's practically confirmed! 😜

[latent vortex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4ppMtr5og

[heavy zodiac]

could be.. why would you need the sensors for mouse? in joycons

were internals of switch 2 confirmed yet?

[grand delta]

There's some "leaks" but it's not confirmed

I think

Not sure

[heavy zodiac]

wander how that compares to other handheld

[grand delta]

Don't know but it's seems really good

[versed lion]

That's over $800 CAD/AUD/NZD funbucks - I wouldn't be surprised to see it at over $500USD in NZ because everyone loves to pricegouge them...

[echo dew]

nah, it's fake, don't worry about it

though it's the price i'm expecting, either 400 or 450 usd

[grand delta]

There's some rumors that it's gonna be somehow less than 400

[dreamy narwhal]

If they manage less than 400 then I'd also be expecting price drops for the OG Switch

[grand delta]

Yeah I think they're gonna do this to give some real reasons to upgrade instantly

Would be maybe 370 or smth like that for sw2

[versed lion]

That will still end up being north of a grand here... iirc the PS5 is around $800 USD here when it's $700 at the Microcenter I just looked up.

The price gouging is real. It is cheaper to fly to Sydney and buy a high end laptop at the airport and fly back than it is to buy the laptop in New Zealand

(and all the big manfacturers will no longer let you buy from Amazon US because they are so committed to price gouging)

[versed lion]

The Lite will drop to cost plus 5% I expect, especially when they start wanting to get rid of them

[marsh cipher]

Can someone change this from rumour to confirmed now haha

I think we all knew it was coming anyway, today just gave everyone the final 10% of confirmation.

[high barn]

@sullen panther @sharp needle Yeah, that makes sense. Can’t be more confirmed than an announcement video from Nintendo.

[late ether]

man. i really hope it'll be oled.

but yeah. i'm curious how this will go

[rapid pollen]

fully expecting the model we get this year to be LCD

they'll sell an OLED model in the future at a higher price point

$450, maybe even $500

[proper bear]

The original rumors showing actual store stock were $480 CAD. So I wouldn't be shocked if it was lower than $400

The 400 seems to be from an infographic that appeared out of nowhere?

Unless they've officially dropped prices and I missed it

But I'd be shocked if it was higher than $350. Nintendo historically aims low for its hardware and recoups cost through software sales

They will very much price like Steam does

People keep looking at the hardware and pricing it as if they were a company that makes profit from selling hardware

[lean lotus]

I can see a world where it's $400, but I'm expecting $350.

[proper bear]

Yeah. I think that's a safe bet

Now whether it'll come with a game is a question.

[rapid pollen]

preparing for $400, will be stoked if it's only $350, gonna cry paying $80 for games regardless

[proper bear]

True that

Hopefully that's also lower. I've only seen European pricing which usually accounts for VAT

Of course Nintendo is also known to price games and systems differently in different markets. Usually the systems are pretty close tho

[high barn]

Reminder to all that the link which showed that price likely had VAT taken into account for the price, like how most storefronts for that region handle it.

[high barn]

Well Nintendo isn’t in charge of those stores, so they can’t really control how those guys price it.

[proper bear]

Yeah. It's why anything that shows stock prices in Europe can't just be directly converted

[proper bear]

To a degree. They can definitely set limits on major retailers. Don't accept the limits, don't get stock. That's pretty common

Microsoft and Sony have similar contracts with major retailers

[high barn]

Well regardless, (the following is just a joke, I do expect them to sell a good bit more) all the Switch 2 needs to do is sell more units than the N64 and they’ll already have sold more units than the Xbox Series S and X combined.

[proper bear]

True

[high barn]

This isn’t even hyperbole.

Literally no other Xbox console has ever done better than the Xbox 360, and even that likely (it’s not completely confirmed) sold less units than the PS3 (despite having a “stronger start”).

Funny enough, the PS4 is actually the 3rd most successful home console currently on record, with the Switch in 2nd and the PS2 still in 1st.

[proper bear]

I mean I liked my 360. but honestly there's too much going these days. So many options

[winter pecan]

the 360 was the last good Xbox imo

[proper bear]

I used my Xbox one to turn on my TV lol

That was pretty cool for the time

[winter pecan]

I hope they get a healthy amount of criticism for this

[proper bear]

The Kinect

[winter pecan]

it's total bullshit to go LCD in 2025

[proper bear]

Stares at Odin 2

[winter pecan]

not a 2025 device 😄

[proper bear]

I'm fine with LCD if it keeps price down. I know it's blasphemous in this discord. But I'm gonna be on my TV most of the time.

But I'd probably prepare yourself to expect it. And then expect an OLED device later. Hehe

[winter pecan]

I expect it, but it's still bullshit

[warped heath]

Ips is still completely acceptable. Very sick of Oled snobbery when it's overrated af

[high barn]

It’s the literal only Xbox console to do better than a PlayStation console, and that’s because it’s got 85 million to the PS5’s 65 million.

[proper bear]

Keep price low. Wait til internals drop in price. Add OLED. And release at same original price

[high barn]

Literally every other Xbox console has sold worse than the current worst selling PlayStation console.

[proper bear]

Yeah. I honestly couldn't care. But I also don't handheld game solely

IPS is good enough for the occasional times I'll have it in hand

I mean I don't have OLED TVs or monitors either. Heh.

[warped heath]

Wonder why we haven't seen many Qled tbh

[proper bear]

Somehow my eyes have yet to melt

[warped heath]

It's a nice step up that isn't as expensive

And I wonder what's gonna be the future of Mini Led tbh

[proper bear]

Yeah. I was wondering that too. Or the mini LEDs. Etc.

[lean lotus]

Yeah, it's a problem with most super niche/specialized places. Obviously the vast majority of people don't really care about OLED. It's a niche luxury item.

But on the flip side, of course the people willing to go to a discord server to specifically talk about niche handheld devices, are gonna care a lot more about the niche luxuries.

[proper bear]

I'm not oversold on their battery saving potential either honestly. I had an LCD android phone which lasted way longer than some of the other OLED ones at the time.

[proper bear]

Haha. Valid.

[proper bear]

Not that it matters if the next gen of Qualcomm chips doubles battery life

[lean lotus]

Also does OLED even actually save power? Google tells me conflicting answers lol.

Most of what I got is: If the brightness is lower, and you're working in stuff like dark modes, OLED will generally save battery. But at higher brightness, and with more varitey of colors/whites, LCD will consume less energy than OLED.

[proper bear]

Simple just don't take your phone outside. Lol

Feel like battery savings is always an OLED talking point on mobile devices but yeah. It's kind of not

[zealous mason]

Not a rumor anymore

https://youtu.be/itpcsQQvgAQ?si=YVA6_gzJIE1tdb6w

[lean lotus]

Yep

[proper bear]

Yup. Dropped this morning

[lean lotus]

#1285957011451809834 message

[zealous mason]

This is that channel @lean lotus

[lean lotus]

Yes

Click the link and see where it takes you

[latent vortex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_AV3OtrjZQ

[iron apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237840124457259180/1327000227412180992/image0.gif

[south notch]

that gif makes him look like a teenager

[proper bear]

content farms gonna be going nutty over switch announcement

[iron apex]

They call him youngster joey

[south notch]

and gamestop employees are suffering, I went to gamestop today and they told me that they were constantly getting calls about it

[proper bear]

fuck me, lol

that's crazy

[iron apex]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[proper bear]

https://tenor.com/view/oopsies-ohno-gif-25793283

[coarse vale]

Best Buy's app already sent a notification to pre-register for any updates!

[proper bear]

but yeah, i'm guessing holidays for actual drop, unfortunately

maybe mid summer if we're lucky

[coarse vale]

In an alternate universe, the "New!" part would be part of the console's name /lh

[ember perch]

I wish Nintendo had been more imaginative with the logo

[south notch]

it could be a placeholder for the moment, I remember before we had more info on the switch there was a "NX" logo

[compact sable]

It’s awful. The 2 reminds me of the 2 in the Sonic logo for some reason

[ember perch]

At least it kinda looks wacky on purpose and matches the sonic font. The 2 in the switch logo looks like the whole thing was made by a rando on the internet

[echo dew]

man, it's just a 2

i find it funny how imaginative nintendo is supposed to be for everything they do

didn't see anyone say "man, the ps5 logo is so boring, it's just the ps4 logo but with a 5 at the end"

[clever geyser]

April too far away

[rapid dawn]

My problem is not that it's just a 2, it's that it's right the 2 next to the old Switch logo.

Playstation logos:

This really shows that the PS5 logo IS pretty boring, haha

[ember perch]

Meh, it's nothing deep, it's just a boring logo. Sorry for having an opinion

The PS logos look iconic and distinctive

[rapid dawn]

No one is claiming it's deep, but it doesn't make it less lackluster.

[stuck slate]

Its a logo

Y'all making it seem like a massive deal

[echo dew]

i'm just constantly seeing the argument that nintendo has to put a loaded gun up to their temple with every decision and everything is make or break

they can be conservative and continuist sometimes and they have the right to

[stuck slate]

If it ain't broke don't fix it

Seems like some people are just losing their shit over it lol

[echo dew]

it's an even bigger issue with the overall concept

people saying "oh, this is just a pro or an xl" like come on

i don't even want to buy it at launch and i'm pissed at nintendo after this gen's shenanigans but i see so much bad faith towards them

[stuck slate]

Like what did they want from a successor tho lol

Iteration has always been Nintendo's game. Especially with handhelds

[compact sable]

Yup

This isnt a Claw 2 or anything with improved processor, more ram, better controls, a larger 8” screen…

Completely different updates

[proper bear]

I mean some of that is retroactive nastalgia no? If the PS2 was ass I doubt people would be fondly remembering it's logo 😆

[stuck slate]

I mean....

[proper bear]

Theyd be like man. What a dumb logo for a crap console

[late ether]

hahaha

yeah think about all 13 different 3ds versions

gosh dangit. i really do wish that it was gonna be oled at release.

but yeah the upsell is just too easy

[high barn]

Pretty much, even to the point where a fucking logo will get people complaining about the whole entire console being “lackluster, boring, and unoriginal”.

Where the hell did the people who were outright hoping they wouldn’t shove a dumb or weird gimmick into the next console go?

[high barn]

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but not only is that exactly what the switch 2 is very likely gonna be from the more accurate leaks, but the Claw 2 is pretty much what an iterative enhancement/update is supposed to be.

[high barn]

Iterative changes can be drastic, it’s not like all iterative updates have to be “the previous thing, where they only added better speakers” or etc. sometimes it flat out can be “the previous thing, but with a ton of updates”.

[proper bear]

Yeah. Def the plan

[proper bear]

I mean if it's a banger in 10 years people will be getting that 2 tattooed on their face. Again logos are remembered fondly when what they're associated with is remembered fondly. Heh

And switch 2 is definitely an iteration on switch 1. It's not like the Wii to Wii U or a Wii U to switch. Those were complete changes in how you played the game

[compact sable]

I was being sarcastic lol

[high barn]

Got it, it was hard to tell because the example you gave of what “it’s totally not” (what it is) does actually fit with the definition of iterative updates/upgrades.

[compact sable]

Yeah which both are

I was also replying to Sniffer and his obsession with the Claw 8 lol

[late ether]

lol

yeah. i wish it wasn't the plan.

but their business arm would have to be super dumb not to replay that same oled & lite scenario.

i never got the switch oled. but i probably will get the 2 oled. I had assumed the switch 2 was just around the corner, so i'd wait. i think that was a mistake. So many games just aren't terribly fun to play on the launch switch.

i'm most excited to play the 2 just to finish switch games i couldn't enjoy playing as much as i felt they deserved.

[proper bear]

Haha. I have a launch and an OLED and I'm still planning to get the switch 2 to finish those games

[late ether]

oh no! haha i'm not sure if I feel better or worse about that.

[main otter]

I haven’t played switch for about 2 years, since I got PS5. I am hopping switch 2 can boost switch 1 games and play those games on switch 2

But if switch 2 doesn’t have OLED then I don’t know whether I just wait until OLED model come out

Maybe that’s the perfect excuse to buy retro handhelds and a Windows handheld

[proper bear]

I feel the exact same unknown way

[proper bear]

This. Always this

[late ether]

interestingly. I've barely touched my ps5 since i got my steam deck. And I haven't touched my switch in months.

i lent it to a friend actually. i should probably get it back

[rapid dawn]

You haven't used your switch much because it didn't have high key releases in a year

Switch 2 release will also mark the return of big Nintendo releases.

Don't care about Mario Kart at all but people are going to buy that one in droves.

[proper bear]

I just want a new pokemon that's good

[lean lotus]

I've basically given up on Game Freak lol. Legends Arceus was fun, but felt more like a good foundation or good skeleton to me.

I am keeping an eye on Legends Z-A, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a flub lol. I have no hope for the "mainline" games.

At this point I just keep my eyes out for any good overhaul romhacks like Pokemon Gaia and Pokemon Unbound.

[proper bear]

Yeah. I know in my case some of that is just nostalgia anyway. Like those first couple Pokemon hooked me and the formula hasn't changed much

I still have some hope that they'll put out a banger tho

[crisp swan]

MK9 doesn't make sense to me with all the tracks 8 deluxe has with dlc.

Unless all that carries over i don't see how 9 won't have less content

I mean granted yes a new game but still I feel like in that particular game or similarly Smash bros. It won't just feel like less.

[ember perch]

It's not a massive deal, it's just a boring logo with little visual appeal. I mean it serves its purpose to tell you exactly what it is, but that's not very imaginative

[ember perch]

Regardless of nostalgia, I just mean they are stylized interestingly

[proper bear]

New drivers. New tracks. Maybe new side games. Etc.

I don't think it's impossible for it to be fun

[proper bear]

That is true

[late mulch]

HEy....hey guys/.....hey gus y.....you see the first look trailer just dropped?!

[coarse vale]

Someone suggested something like Kirby Air Ride's City Trial mode, which would be quite chaotic, IMO

[rapid pollen]

I think one thing we can pretty confidently say about the switch 2 that does actively annoy me is, no analog triggers 😒

[coarse vale]

(Also, Mario Kart 9's gonna have competition with Sonic Racing CrossWorlds, which may also have a Switch 2 release at the rate things are going (a Switch 1 release is already confirmed), so there's definitely motivation for one-uppmanship in the kart racer field)

[coarse vale]

Agreed. This sadly will kill any chances of many racing games or GameCube ports to hit the S2

[rapid pollen]

yeah that's a big reason I'm so upset about it 😔

[tame roost]

wait still no analog triggers wtf

[stuck slate]

I don’t remember the last time I played a game that needed analog triggers

Definitely not in the last decade

[compact sable]

Only part that bugs me about no analog triggers is no support for them. So even if you added it via NitroDeck or whatnot it doesn’t use it

[south notch]

I think Burnout paradise allowed for analog triggers if you had a paddle with them

and maybe grid autosport iirc

[iron apex]

They don’t work well with joy cons.
And using analog triggers on a device with no ergo sucks..

[south notch]

also the lack of games that just support it or use it well

the only games that come to mind are racers

[coarse vale]

I recall Grid Autosport apparently allowed you to use the Gamecube controller adapter, and the analog triggers will work there

[rapid dawn]

tbh this discord is the only place in the whole internet where I ever see people complaining about the lack of analog triggers.

[proper bear]

We're just too damn hardcore people

[serene plank]

Grid on Switch NEEDS analog triggers and has the setting activated by default unless you turn Traction Control on or switch to right analog. Otherwise, you have to tap the right trigger repeatedly to accelerate

[ornate bane]

https://youtu.be/9Pdx4GK4PSw?si=z3hpt_GcCIKPVnhi

[rain igloo]

I love seeing the.
Potential power of the nintendo switch 2

[proper bear]

I'd hope so for something 8 years old. Basically it's 8x the performance. Heh

[uncut swallow]

https://x.com/Saulimedes/status/1880634859636621687

Paul Becker (@Saulimedes) on X

@pngsequence History will repeat itself when the joycons won't connect

X · Jan 18, 2025, 3:14 PM

[proper bear]

Eh. Besides using meh sticks Nintendo hardware is almost idiot proof before release

Usb-c has a little connector sticking out as well. As long as your not trying to snap it like a pencil it'll probably be fine

[south notch]

Technically the tegra x1 is like 10 or 11 years old

[rapid dawn]

The think that connects the current joycons to the Switcu's rail is a connector not unlike that one.

[rapid pollen]

add a bare minimum of a 25% boost to fps from DLSS upscaling

[rain igloo]

lol

[rapid pollen]

and if Nintendo really goes balls deep on AI with frame gen...good lord

[rain igloo]

Christ yeah! With dlss switch 2 is gonna be a beast

[rapid pollen]

handheld performance getting 8.8x more powerful GPU performance, 5-6x more powerful CPU performance, and triple the RAM is incredible

especially just going from 720p to 1080p lmao

oh yeah casually like, 11x-ing potential graphical performance while only just over doubling resolution lmao

[untold flame]

0 times 11 or smth

Idk

[proper bear]

I think it just seems insane because in our world models are updated almost yearly. Lol

Not that I'm not excited. Should be a banger

[uncut swallow]

i always found measuring in giga/teraflops weird for gaming ... given its basically just theoretical mathematical measure and each manufacture counts it bit differently and its not really much of a indicator of reallife gaming perf

[proper bear]

Yeah. It's why real world performance is usually what people focus on

[rain igloo]

Yeah it feels weird everything i look I up

[flint sable]

Does anyone know why the dock has to be that tall once again?

[lean lotus]

Nintendo knows

[rapid dawn]

It doesn't have to be that tall, Nintendo just like that look.

extremerate has a mod for the official Switch 1 dock that allows you to turn it into a tiny thing. It's also one of the easiest Switch mods available, even easier than the dpad mod.

[rain igloo]

Hype

[normal compass]

I do think it's potentially housing the DLSS processor [the new Dock not only needs more power, but also the fact the original Dock doesn't work makes me think this even more].

[rapid pollen]

the tablet shouldn't have any problem being able to use DLSS

the dock most likely just has extra cooling so it can run at higher clock speeds

[stuck slate]

Yeah extra cooling is my guess as to why it's big

[rapid dawn]

I think it's just going to be a dock.

If there was any important differences, even a fan, they would have given us a peek.

[stuck slate]

I doubt they'd show off a fan lol

Not exactly groundbreaking technology

[proper bear]

Would be cool if it was colored. Get s little pop out the vents

I dunno. I just love Nintendo hardware. Have abused almost every system and they stay solid

My only spec bump disappointment is no hall sticks

[flint sable]

How do we know they're not hall sticks? Leaks?

[proper bear]

Yeah. I thought I read in multiple places that they're not. Would love to be surprised tho

[merry badge]

https://wccftech.com/nintendo-switch-2-joy-con-hall-effect-diablo-iv/

[rapid dawn]

"Source" is a reddit thread re-posting predictions from a leaker that they are assuming are real leaks because some of the info in the Switch 2 trailer matched his leaks.

Anyway, I am not a leaker and I can easily predict the Switch 2 will have Hall Effect joysticks. Because Nintendo actually got in lots of trouble because of the drift claims.

The screen of the NS2 is the same size as of the Steam Deck (7.4”).
We already know it's technically larger than the Steam Deck's, simply cause it has roughly the same height, but 16:9 is wider than 16:10.

The leaker is NOT Geoff Keighley.
Very useful google doc

This is the doc so you have no need to worry about wccftech or reddit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h4dz-rlCsszQNWTHfd0UWxMyj4PLJjQBOGW-ZTyMsqY/edit?tab=t.0

[uncut swallow]

tbh i if there is aynthing i wont believe ... its first party using hall sticks 😄

.
https://x.com/Nintendeal/status/1880679474175545406

Nintendeal Switch 2 (@Nintendeal) on X

thinking about that patent application Nintendo made in 2022 for an "electronic apparatus" that looks an awful lot like a 2nd screen for the Switch 2.....

X · Jan 18, 2025, 6:11 PM

[high barn]

Honestly, given the sticks in the announcement already looked like they were actual sticks (which would already be surprisingly different from the original expectations of “just using the Joycon sticks”), and the fact that there was that leak that suggested the sticks would be adaptive like the DualSense triggers, I could believe Nintendo going for Hall Effect purely as a way to make that kind of control gimmick easier to implement.

[flint sable]

We know that the drift was Nintendo's main issue during the entire Switch area. At this point, whatever the next joysticks are, you can be sure they got it covered

[high barn]

Eh…I wouldn’t say that until we know for sure what type of sticks they’re using, since the DualSense had some pretty awful drifting for what were supposed to be full-sized joysticks.

[next ginkgo]

I have been thinking that we might see another major hardware announcement from Nintendo later in the year. The Switch 2 is money in the bank and needn't deviate too much. But it would be unlike them not to show serious innovation with some new gig. Or maybe I'm just in denial with how boring Switch 2 is 🤣

[rapid dawn]

If it makes you feel better, I suspect they'll really try to juice the Mouse feature.

[uncut swallow]

same was said since dualshock days and yet dualsence is not hall either

its not really about it being main issue ..... its more about economics of scale

[untold flame]

ya

the scale is larger if fools rebuy joy cons

[uncut swallow]

that too

[next ginkgo]

That fucking mouse feature. It looks like you have to carry around another tiny piece of hardware to make the joycon work as a mouse... someone tell me I'm an idiot and it isn't real!?

[rapid dawn]

I don't see a reason why it would need extra hardware at all.

Worst case scenario they just added an optical sensor, which could be the 'laser' feature mentioned in the old leaks. But I think that with just a flat bottom and their gyro it should be completely possible to use them as mice. Would explain how both of the joycons are able to do it. If it needed an extra sensor I think it would be real overkill to add it to both joycons.

[odd scaffold]

I got the sense the extra little thing will be there to make it smoother but not 100% necessary, just makes the bottom of the joycon more flat

[untold flame]

is that thing a third trigger or a sensor?

[weary vigil]

Looks like a optical sensor

[cinder nest]

[proper bear]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch2/s/bypzKS1S6Q

Lol. The purported switch 2 game case size

[compact sable]

Gonna need two googly eyes for that one

[stuck slate]

To be fair, the normal switch game boxes are small

[edgy frost]

Not sure why you need such a large case anyway when the cart is pretty small , it’s not like they the majority of games still include a manual or anything

[proper bear]

Haha. Yeah. That's the point. Not that they're not small already, just that with the cartridge there's really no reason for them to be bigger

[untold flame]

Buying craft stocks now

[crimson garden]

Y*zu2 when

[rapid pollen]

save the asterisks & just call it Yu2 😂

or 2zu 😂

[void cloak]

"zu mi"

[iron apex]

And then it’s empty with no guide, booklet, stickers, stickers or other goodies like back in the days

[chrome cradle]

https://www.nintendo.com/successor/en-us/nintendo-direct/index.html

[flint sable]

Nothing new here?

[stuck slate]

Two days before my birthday

[next ginkgo]

I simply cannot envisage them showing us anything interesting from a hardware front, based on their trailer.. What do you think? I imagine we will see great game promos though 🤷‍♂️

[latent vortex]

Doom eternal will run at medium to high settings now, envision that for graphical fidelity
It opens the door to AAA games being on the switch 2 and not looking or running like dog water at any rate and gives Nintendo room to push their own envelope as well

[echo dew]

the switch 2 doesn't need to be interesting hardware wise, just run games better for years to come

[high barn]

You mean beyond the obvious “it can play regular switch games way better”? Or the lesser but still pretty obvious “the Switch 2 will in general be way more powerful than the switch 1, so it’ll be able to open the way to having more demanding ports”?

[next ginkgo]

The latter x I imagine Nintendo are really on point with 1st party dev right now 🙂

[warped heath]

gonna have to wait and see on that ''way better''

have a feeling we might get ps5 pro type ''last gen upgrades''

[high barn]

Given how “powerful” the Switch 1 is, literally even “slightly or decently less than a PS4” would still be way better.

[warped heath]

yes but I mean on the backwards compat

dont expect a game to like, go from 1080p30 to 1440p60

unless its new or a big first party

[high barn]

Again, if the thing is way more powerful than the switch 1, then that means it will outright play a smooth 30fps (or 60fps for games that had that unlocked in docked mode) for games that would struggle on the system they were made for.

[warped heath]

smooth 30fps

[high barn]

Like, I’m not talking about “all Switch 1 games getting a 60fps patch and upscale patch for Switch 2” since that would absolutely be a per-game basis, I’m talking “literally every game that struggled to get a smooth 30fps (because all the optimization in the world couldn’t help when the damn thing is on an underclock even in docked mode) now being able to play legit perfectly smoothly on switch 2”.

[odd scaffold]

That would be hard for them to show off without inadvertently saying "yeah this shit kinda sucked on the switch 1 didn't it" lol

[high barn]

That’s why I’m expecting them to only show off the games that are getting on launch an upscale or 60fps patch, which would also implicitly say that “literally all the games not on here that didn’t run that well on Switch 1 will definitely run better on Switch 2” via the mere fact that it can actually handle playing the games that have an aforementioned patch.

[warped heath]

''legit perfectly smooth''

''30fps''

still cant get over that ngl lol

[high barn]

Yeah, that’s what happens when you take what was admittedly a very powerful arm chip for 2015 (but therefore was already 2 years old when the Switch released), and then proceed to apply a constant underclock for battery that is even active while docked (when battery life arguably shouldn’t matter) that reduces its capabilities even further than what it should natively be able to do.

[high barn]

And all of this is on top of having Docked mode using a higher native resolution than handheld mode for most games (alongside some games unlocking the frame rate for docked mode), so that’s putting even more strain on the device than what Handheld mode would do, with the very slight boost to the GPU and RAM not being enough to counteract the fact that Docked mode puts even more of a bottleneck on the CPU than what handheld mode does.

So yeah, long story short, Switch 2 should absolutely be an upgrade to Switch 1 performance, even for games that don’t get upscale or 60fps patches.

[untold flame]

Battery life is still bad

Compared to 3ds

[high barn]

Yeah, and it would’ve been even worse for handheld mode if the Underclock wasn’t there, so it’s understandable for handheld since they didn’t want to make it worse.

Docked Mode doesn’t have that excuse when they were actively pushing that mode harder than handheld mode, they should’ve at least lessened the CPU underclock, even if it was only to a similar degree that they lessened the GPU and RAM underclocks when in Docked Mode.

[rapid dawn]

I can think of a couple good reasons to underclock docked mode.

Maybe they were aiming for a good timespan. If it was normal for 5 year old Switches to just die it would be pretty bad PR right in time for the Switch 2 release...

If docked mode was too noticeably better than handheld mode and decs started targeting it, it would send the message that the Switch is a docked-first type of console, which is not the messaging they want.

I guess the Switch Lite was in the plans since the beginning, but if it would release on a state where third party devs barely support handheld mode, the Lite would have been an embarassing failure.

[tame roost]

might have been cuz of thermals/cooling too? my og model switch gets pretty hot and loud in docked mode as is

[rapid dawn]

The dock form factor means that children are going to be frequently touching the switch to put it out.

[warped heath]

I don't think you're getting the main underlying issue, anything still running at 30fps even completely locked with it's 1%s, isn't acceptable now, at all, you should never use the phrase "smooth 30fps" unless you're making an ironic joke atp

If a game was locked at 30fps on Switch, and doesn't run at 60fps for it's Switch 2 performance boost, it's doa.

[high barn]

Yeah, fun fact, one of those “locked at 30fps, doesn’t even run smooth” games was GOTY instead.

[high barn]

I cannot understate the fact that I’m dead serious on smooth 30 fps being not being guaranteed on every game for Switch 1, where even first party games would have issues with running full speed.

And this is the console that currently has sold almost double the sales numbers of the PS5 (and outright almost 4 times that of the Series S and X combined).

[odd scaffold]

Only double? I'd have thought more, maybe the ps5 sold a tad better then I thought lol

[high barn]

Actually you’re right, PS5 is only 65 million units sold, Switch 1 is 150 million. And Series S/X combined are 28 million.

[warped heath]

gonna be as nice as possible, but, do you think the performance of this game has even the slightest metric in its success? and how is this relevant to a discussion about the standards we should have 8 YEARS LATER, think before you reply about why this should be completely irrelevant and misses the point entirely

also

that was a game that was locked 30fps, and ran on the Wii U

[high barn]

My reply is based on the fact it not run smoothly at 30 fps wasn’t considered acceptable to some people even back then!

Like, how do you not remember how many people were complaining about that shit from day 1?

But hey, people loved the game, so it ended up being iconic and remembered fondly enough for Nintendo to make a sequel that actually ran better.

[warped heath]

so, what wasnt acceptable in 2017 should be accepted in 2025 because people liked the story and gameplay of a game

[high barn]

Yeah, and that’s exactly what’s gonna happen now with the Switch 2.

[warped heath]

so you admit you have no real standards for performance or optimisation

[high barn]

People are gonna hear it runs Switch 1 games better, they’re gonna remember how dogshit some switch games ran on the thing, and they’re gonna buy it.

[high barn]

I fully recognize that most casual switch owners in general have no real standards for performance, and that Switch 1 games are optimized to a ridiculous degree where some of them can run on a freaking Snapdragon 865.

You are talking to someone who actively recognizes that the Switch 1 was already insanely underpowered even by the time it was only 2 years old. And that’s exactly why even people who aren’t that interested in Switch 2 games are potentially gonna be interested in the Switch-2 for playing Switch 1 games, even if it never gets any fps or upscale patches. Since the Switch-1 could barely play the games First Party Nintendo directly made for it, not even counting ports.

[high barn]

Oh actually I misread this. No, I do in fact agree with you that BOTW running at below 30fps in most open areas wouldn’t be acceptable in any time period, but there was literally only 2 ways to play Breath of the Wild, and one of those ways sold literally only 13 million units across the whole planet. So that game and other Nintendo First-Party games being pretty much only on Switch is how we ended up with most people being fine with that kind of performance for the next 7 years.

[high barn]

Very long story short, the Switch 1, while I do really enjoy the games and the console itself, was a ridiculously underpowered console, and it doesn’t even matter if I do legit agree that “smooth 30fps” is an absurd meme, Nintendo will unironically likely get sales off of the word of mouth advertising that “hey, it actually can run Switch 1 games well” alone.

[rapid dawn]

30 fps is absolutely fine.

The Switch was not underpowered. It's kind of revisionist at this point. The fact that Nintendo's latest console was able to run a game designed for its previous home console was actually considered impressive back then. I know our perception is skewed nowadays because we live in a completely different age of mobile devices. But please consider that the Switch predates the Steam Deck by 5 years.

[high barn]

By the metrics of when it was made and its specs, sure you could argue it wasn’t underpowered, even for 2017.

By the metrics of what it was trying to play? Nintendo literally made it more underpowered than it should’ve been, and on top of that also made it more difficult to play those games if you tried to use the whole gimmick that made it unique from their previous handhelds.

I’m not even joking, you outright can get rid of BOTW’s more severe fps drops just by removing the cpu underclock. Not even overclocking it, just getting rid of the underclock.

So you have that, and you have them deciding to do something much more odd than what you’d expect for first party (which should know the limitations of their console and avoid going too nuts) by removing the fps lock and increasing internal resolution for Bowser’s Fury when in Docked mode (which yeah, ends up being the exact cause for those early on moments where the game occasionally dropped from like 55-60 fps to almost 8-15 digits and then back in docked mode, despite being way freaking smoother in Handheld mode).

You then have third party, where shit gets really crazy because you’ll have some games that are made solely with Handheld Mode in mind (so there is no higher internal resolution for docked mode, which means the games look great on handheld, but will look pretty disappointing in docked mode compared to what you would expect, even if it runs well). Then in vice versa, you’ll also have some games that are made with docked mode only in mind (so there is no lower resolution for handheld mode, meaning that while docked mode will actually be an even better experience than some first party games when Docked, handheld mode is just fucked over because it’s now got a freaking GPU bottleneck and the ram is slower than what it would like).

[untold flame]

They shoulda had some sort of quality/performance checks for third party games

And they should've removed the under clock in docked

[high barn]

The problem is that a good chunk of third party games were arguably better quality in what they focused on. Stuff like Mortal Kombat 1 was unironically the exception to the norm for major third party releases, and even then MK1 was still mostly an issue of the game being unoptimized for the device, where further optimization in later updates actually helped improve…everything (even the godawful models ended up looking better by the end).

[rapid dawn]

Does the Switch 2 have the headphone jack on top or bottom? The answer is Yes, https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/switch-2-patent-suggests-the-console-can-be-rotated-to-change-headphone-and-usb-port-positions/

[high barn]

Huh, that’s pretty cool. And it also makes sense for the new design the Joycon connectors use.

[proper bear]

Yeah. That is kinda tight

[unkempt beacon]

Excited to see 3rd party controllers and joycons

I love my nitro deck

[odd scaffold]

Beeg Mobapads could go really hard

[next ginkgo]

I worry that this question I ask about the Switch 2 will be viewed as a troll post. But honestly.... as a lover of Nintendo... is there a scintilla of hope that this new console will project us forwards?

[untold flame]

Wat

Explain?

[next ginkgo]

Is there any innovation whatsoever over Switch 1 beyond specs?

[rapid dawn]

Joycons can be used as a mouse, I'd say this will open up the Switch 2 to being more accepting of games that use pointer input.

As seen above, the joycons can be inserted "upside down" and this allows you to choose how to plug your headphones. But there might be more to this. With this magnetic attachment, you gotta wonder if "upside down" is the only variation available.

[next ginkgo]

With love and respect- so what!?

[rapid dawn]

It's neat.