Ayaneo Pocket EVO

[rancid rain]

Within a few months, probably around the same. After a year, at a discount. Marketplace I constantly see really low prices on devices people want to get rid of, especially on expensive niche handhelds, like the gcloud or aya's other devices.

[patent hare]

yeah after DHL import fees hit me in november/december it'd prob be pushing £450ish at least, which is steam deck oled territory

[weary musk]

Might avoid the endless conversations on how much N64 a device can do

Mostly the screen upgrade in size/quality really.

[quartz raft]

what do you consider really low?

[patent hare]

oh yeah 7 inch high power oled machine is lovely

[quartz raft]

ive been following for a while and i rarely see really low prices on aya

at least in this discord

[patent hare]

hmm 🤔 tbh shipping before customs makes this only a little more than what i paid for my odin 2 pro in the end of IGG... though no case etc and before DHL import wrecks me xD

[vagrant nymph]

Doesn't do anything a steam deckk oled already does .At 400 plus and the long wait gave this a pass.Thought about selling odin2 base to get this but would be another 200 on top and I do really like the odin 2 so didn't upgrade.

[weary musk]

For sure, if this is your sort of handheld, it's a great price.

Honestly, I was expecting the base to be $500

[patent hare]

£388 inc shipping for the 12gb model

then DHL import though i dunno how much that'd be on top

[weary musk]

Not unless you are into android games, no.

[vagrant nymph]

20% plus a tenner

[fallow abyss]

My justification for the purchase: it’s fucking cool

[patent hare]

oh yeah it does look fucking cool, that power in a 7 inch oled ❤️

[weary musk]

This is most definitely correct.

[rancid rain]

Someone literally put the pocket s for sale right now lol

[weary musk]

@austere tendon only buys Aya devices to sell them a few months later

[loud loom]

i wouldn't call 570 a low price lol

[austere tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-michael-point-things-out-scott-point-things-out-point-things-out-like-that-gif-25267806

[austere tendon]

It's a starting price. To get what's in the picture not including the early bird swag, you would have to pay $650 at the current price.

But, people can offer.

[loud loom]

oh i know. i'm just responding to that person whos trying to get deals from this discord

[austere tendon]

ah

[rancid rain]

This gives me a bit more confidence that I can wait

[loud loom]

i think most people sell products for fairly reasonable prices

[fallow abyss]

I mean, some people expect stupidly low prices here too. I hate when I see an amazing price, someone put DM, then the sale not go through. I already know they asked for even more off lol

[rancid rain]

Since my timeline was to wait a few months after for release for similar early bird pricing. Considering the spending habits of the users here, I may not even have to wait a month 😅

[fallow abyss]

Or asking to trade junk for a good product lol

[weary musk]

With every decently selling device, there are a few that pop up straight away. Maybe something else got announced, maybe they had money issues, maybe it turned up and their partner found out, maybe they didn't like the colour in real life, maybe they didn't like the ergo....

Could be a lot of reasons.

[real bridge]

Yeah, 10% + free shipping isn’t a bad amount off after a month or two post release. That’s usually what I aim for

Are they releasing a case for this thing?

[weary musk]

FYI, Mr Sujano says the new DBZ MOBA recommends an 8gen2 or above.

So this device will only just be over the recommended specs for it.

Android moves fast

[patent hare]

you guys need to stop tempting me to backing this 😂

[fallow abyss]

Oh dude no temptation needed. Just do it. Shut your brain off for like 5 minutes

[patent hare]

i gotta think about stuff like upgrading laptop and stuff too... 😄

though i have money in the business account 🤔 fuck 😅

[fallow abyss]

Don’t do it if you shouldn’t

[tender thunder]

Do it

All the cool kids are doing it

https://tenor.com/view/husshere-herehuss-tattari-gif-23362833

[patent hare]

oh for certain 😄 its not the money tbh

[quartz raft]

dibs on his evo

[austere tendon]

[weary musk]

@austere tendon, sorry ^ is clearly legally binding.

[austere tendon]

Listen, I rarely plan on selling anything

but... new shinies

But, this device does check off a lot more boxes than past ones, so we'll see.

[weary musk]

https://tenor.com/view/moa-moametal-moa-metal-moakikuchi-moa-kikuchi-gif-10324023804557066605

[patent hare]

this is why im tempted 😂

[wooden rain]

It is Ayaneo, the company of skus. I would not worry about missing out. Arthur is always peddling another sku in a couple weeks or month.

[fallow abyss]

Counterpoint, buy this cause it’s cool

[tender thunder]

Yeah just buy it if you want it

If you don't want it don't buy it

Its that shrimple

[weary musk]

It'll still be an amazing device when the next thing gets released.

[tender thunder]

Yup

Don't fall into the "why buy a PS5 when they'll make a PS6" paradox

[sand phoenix]

anyway

you still have 2 months to cancel

so don't stress too much about whether it makes sense to buy it

I hope we get to see some reviews before that time

[tender thunder]

We will

Ayaneo is good at sending out review units

[austere tendon]

To be fair, 9th gen consoles have been a big disappointment, particularly when it comes to any exclusives.

[tender thunder]

Yeah there's really no reason to buy a console these days besides the switch

[quartz raft]

you can cancel?

[tender thunder]

If you're ignoring price that is

[real bridge]

Xbox Series X there is tbh. It plays everything back to the OG Xbox on disk

[tender thunder]

Lol

Xbox is the most pointless of them all

[real bridge]

I think people misjudge how much of a powerhouse it is and how Microsoft actually supported backwards compatibility on the console.

[tender thunder]

You can save like $300 by buying an old 360

Hell probably even more

I got my 360 2nd hand for like $100

With a bundle of games too

[real bridge]

I’d say an Xbox One is a far better buy but in terms of Gen 5 it (XSX) makes a case for decades of backlog compatibility + current gen stuff

[tender thunder]

Albeit not very good games

[frail burrow]

Best way to play a lot of Xbox one games is on a series x because of upscaling and unlocked frame rates. Not for everyone but I love mine

[fallow abyss]

Tbh if someone just wanted gamepass and didn’t care that much, a series S can be had for very cheap

[wooden rain]

yes. IGG gives you an option to cancel before it ends.

Afterwards, you have to ask Ayaneo directly before it ships.

[tender thunder]

I got mine for $150

[fallow abyss]

It’s an amazing device for gamepass. Easily the cheapest way to experience new games

[austere tendon]

Best way is on a PC if you have a decent one, no?

hardly anything is exclusive to the console

[real bridge]

Honestly the Pocket Evo will be great for Gamepass if streaming works for you

[austere tendon]

and gamepass applies to a pc as well

[fallow abyss]

I’ll do it from my pc, but just straight up streaming I dislike a lot

[austere tendon]

xbox cloud doesn't have 120fps though does it

[real bridge]

No it doesn’t have 120 yet. Only Nvidia does

Xbox uses XSX for gamestreaming which I hate. But it’s “free” so it’s okayish

[frail burrow]

Final fantasy 13 is the one big thing for me. A lot of Bethesda stuff is still better if you don't care about mods

[real bridge]

Yeah I can’t Gamepass stream at home. I never get a decent experience.

Moonlight though is exceptional

[fallow abyss]

Actually you can stream to devices too. Won’t be at the best frame rate possible but it is an amazing value

[real bridge]

If the Pocket Evo was 8” it would be an instant buy, but I’m teetering because I really don’t want to go smaller then the OLED Deck

[austere tendon]

Fair, I was streaming Diablo 4 to my y700 last night, and that screen is such a good size.

[real bridge]

Yeah I’ve debated a Y700 a few times but hoping someone makes a single unit. Not a fan of separate controllers

I understand why they don’t exist though it’s super niche

[austere tendon]

Yeah, I'd prefer a single unit. It's sort of the best option though at that screen size. Other than just a full blown legion go. but that's a lot of weight and shorter battery just to stream.

[real bridge]

Yeah the battery and awful buttons (location of the mouse mode nonsense) made me return the Go

Bazzite fixed the software and the hardware was much better than the Ally

[tender thunder]

Yeah its how I played and found out most Xbox games suck

[vestal hornet]

They said you needed it for good GBA emulation.

[sand phoenix]

The difference is negligible IMO

[sand phoenix]

ah, my bad, forgot how memory hungry GBA emulation is

[real bridge]

Between 7 and 7.4? Sadly it is. I’ve had the GCloud, Ally and Deck OLED and the difference is noticeable

[tender thunder]

The difference is definitely not negligible

[austere tendon]

It's the 16:10 ratio too

makes it feel roomier

[tardy compass]

Its pretty negligable. This panel is also a higher res. So clarity will be way better

[austere tendon]

Sure, I'm not complaining, but I have also owned an oled deck at one point, and yes it did feel bigger than a 7" 16:9 display

[tender thunder]

On paper yeah it seems pretty negligible, but in practice it's a pretty substantial difference

[austere tendon]

I value other things more tho, so EVO is more my choice for streaming and such. Never liked 800p res

[tardy compass]

16:10 definitely does that. Just pointing out that 16x9 content ain't much bigger

[real bridge]

18% isn’t a small number

[austere tendon]

When i first unboxed the oled, one of my first thoughts was the screen looked significantly bigger. Even though as your comparison shows it's not a ton.

But then i got obsessed with the resolution and couldn't unsee the graininess lol

The best display is still probably the y700/legion go to me. Just not the right form factor/weight

[tardy compass]

5% at 16:9 which most games take place. Only real advantage is retro 4:3

[austere tendon]

Plenty of pc games support 16:10, most android games will scale to different aspects. 4:3 emulation is bigger.

Like I said, don't even own a deck now, but I still think it's a valid point

[real bridge]

Only if you are streaming Gamepass. If you are Moonlight streaming a lot of games support 16:10

[tardy compass]

More vertical rarely gives useful information tho. More horizontal is what makes a bigger difference hence the popularity of ultra wide in gaming

[tender thunder]

Yeah, steam deck really kicked off more games having 16:10 support

[tardy compass]

Its just wasted pixels and wasted processing power

[tender thunder]

I've yet to find a modern game that doesn't support it

[austere tendon]

Readers added context they thought people might want to know: @tardy compass is making statements based on personal opinion, not factual evidence.

[fallow abyss]

At 7+ inches I’d take 1080p over 800 easily tbh. Deck screen is really good though

In a perfect world yeah oled 1080p 16:10

[tardy compass]

Its pretty factual, theres rarely any usefull information added from a taller aspect ratio. And in some games depending on how its designed you can actually lose horizontol information, which is a lot more important in 99% of games.

Outside of 4:3 games theres no real benefits to 16:10 in gaming. And that makes sense because the aspect ratio isnt made for gaming. Its made for productivity and allows for more spacious track pads on laptops.

[austere tendon]

[fallow abyss]

Counterpoint, Mario 64 looks really good at 16:10

[tardy compass]

I did say 4:3 is great for it.

30% aint a small increase

[austere tendon]

Sir, I believe you said wasted pixels.

[fallow abyss]

What brought this up anyways? I’d take a 1080 oled 120hz 7 in screen over the decks any day of the week

[tardy compass]

Most of the time yes

[austere tendon]

Discussion over wanting a screen a little bigger

[fallow abyss]

Oh ehh, at 7 in it’s pretty massive lol

[ember hatch]

On a handheld for sure 16:10 is useful for Emulation so I wish every handheld PC defaulted to 16:10. It's an added bonus

[austere tendon]

@real bridge said they don't really wanna go smaller than oled deck

[tardy compass]

Somebody was overly concerned about going down in size from the steam decks 7.4in 16:10 panel.

[fallow abyss]

Yall gonna start wanting actual pcs lol

[austere tendon]

For emulation, no I don't need bigger than 7. For PC game streaming, bigger than 7 can definitely be nice.

[fallow abyss]

Gotcha. I’m going to keep both so it wouldn’t affect me

[ember hatch]

On a side note everywhere but here the comments about ayaneo are pretty toxic. Reminds of Asus LMAO

[austere tendon]

Going between the ROG Ally and the Y700, the Ally always seemed small after.

Some games more than others.

Diablo 4 for example is a lot better on the bigger screen, all the small ui elements and inventory

[tardy compass]

Most widescreen hacks for middle system usually only support 16:9. Occasionally you'll find 21:9. In either case you lose out on 16:10

[real bridge]

My PC monitor is a 48” C1… gotta strap some controls to it

[fallow abyss]

lol, mine is a 43? C3

[real bridge]

I think the discussion started with me saying the Y700 with attached controllers would be ideal. The spun off from there.

[fallow abyss]

Sbcgaming subreddit kind of sucks lol

[tardy compass]

Fuck it. Let's just put this screen in a handheld tjd style

[ember hatch]

Retro handhelds made a YouTube post like hey are you ordering the Evo. It's all bad stuff in the comment section heh

[real bridge]

I got that Surfacebook 2 from here a few weeks back, I should totally try streaming 3000x2000 to it with some controls

[ember hatch]

The Tab S9 is very sexy

[tardy compass]

Fantastic tablet

[fallow abyss]

Let me go comment being overly enthusiastic

[tardy compass]

Go to retro device

[ember hatch]

Yeah I'm going between a few different devices right now I ordered the base model Evo. Ill decide when the dust settles

I'll be fine with 8 gigs of RAM and 128 gigs of storage because I've owned tablets with that before and I know my use case

[austere tendon]

jUsT bUy a SteAm DeCk

[tardy compass]

Evo is the best thing on the market android side with no real drawbacks. Unless your looking onto x86 space this is as good as it get by a pretty wide margin if size isn't an issue

[ember hatch]

Haha yeah some sad people come to just shit and leave

[austere tendon]

TBH ayaneo hate is pretty strong on this server too, particularly outside of the ayaneo specific channels

We did manage to convert @tender thunder though

[tardy compass]

Got some issues that game devs need to iron out with the chip

[ember hatch]

I just like Emulation on Android. On x86 it feels overly bloated

[tardy compass]

If a game cam run on android i usually play it there.

[fallow abyss]

Dude I bought my friend a pocket air and was amazed by the hand feel. That converted me ez

Though I never remember hating them iirc

[tardy compass]

Only real exceptions are if the visual quality is substantially improved while mainitaining a quiet system.

[ember hatch]

Fingers crossed for Xenia RPCS3 on Android one day.

But it won't be anytime soon

[tardy compass]

One day maybe. Could be fairly good if devs cared to port it. Taki even got some games running through winlator and another emulator.

[austere tendon]

Agreed, especially now with ES-DE on android. And the quick sleep/resume/shutdown of the device beats x86 almost always.

[tardy compass]

Cemu should hurry up, i need to fill up more of my 1.5 tb card.

[ember hatch]

Winlator is great in concept but I'll just stick to x86 for PC stuff. Because I don't feel like jumping down another rabbit hole and killing every moment of my day was something new to tinker with

We end up getting these devices and spending 99% of our time just setting stuff up

[austere tendon]

Winlator gave me a headache the one time I tried it haha

Rather just play on a pc

or stream

[tardy compass]

Yeah, cassia should resolve a lot of the annoyance with x86 emulation currently.

[austere tendon]

didn't cassia devs quit

[ember hatch]

Yeah I just use moonlight and will on the Evo. Then comes emulation and android native stuff last

[tardy compass]

And steam support is needed before it gets any real viability.

Dont think they quit

[austere tendon]

I mean in a dream world we get ARM linux with a good x86 translation layer and proton or something

we might be getting closer with the recent snapdragon x laptops released

[ember hatch]

For sure one day we'll have that and everything will run everywhere for like 14 hours on one charge

[tardy compass]

Even better, games get compiled for arm by the devs.

[austere tendon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/comments/1df5lik/cassia_development_has_been_discontinued/

The two devs basically said they are too busy with life and can't keep up the pace. That they will release what they have eventually but it won't be complete.

[tardy compass]

Damn that's rough

[ember hatch]

I was sad when PS2 ended. But I was in that discord from day 1 and it was a shitshow

[tender thunder]

What's up gamers

How are we liking the pocket Evo

[trail basin]

right now it seems like it weighs almost nothing in my hands

[fallow abyss]

I like how well it plays collecovision

[tender thunder]

[quartz raft]

but can it emulate switch 2?

[eternal dust]

24GB ram is nonsensically stupid. By the time you can utilize that ram properly the CPU will be outdated and the bottleneck

People really want the color scheme though I guess

12+256 is definitely the most well-rounded option, capable of playing everything currently available on Android without being overkill. People that don't care about full switch emulation or winlator could opt for the base though

But considering the former is a dead abandoned project and the latter is still in its infancy, I'm really surprised at how unpopular the base model is

[trail basin]

That's certainly some opinions

[fallow abyss]

I mean

Ayaneo shoppers are not going to be price conscious

[tender thunder]

Who hurt you

[errant estuary]

I’m so tempted to pull the trigger on the 12gb model. I have a Logitech G cloud, which I really enjoy for cloud and moonlight streaming. But that OLED on the evo and horsepower to run games locally is very tempting. My big issue is Android games are pretty rubbish vs what iOS/iPad can offer. The only high fidelity games are the Genshin and other types, hence thinking that horsepower is a waste for Android gaming (granted retro but I have a dozen retro devices and bar top)

[tender thunder]

I sold mine for the evo

Fwiw

[errant estuary]

Just got mine for just over £100. Not gonna be selling it

[tender thunder]

Rip

Great handheld tho

Served me well for the time I had it

[errant estuary]

Yeah but doesn’t resolve my big android issue. Rubbish games. Seems a waste of horsepower

[tender thunder]

Yeah I get what you mean

Hard to find games that utilize the hardware

[tardy compass]

With how many of the retro models are selling, aya is probably pretty happy with sales so far it china is still going at its usual pace.

[errant estuary]

Yeah it’s a shame. Even my faves like remasteted Full Throttle and Day of the tentacle are only on Apple. That type of stuff should be on Android too but isn’t. I’ll have a think tomorrow

[tender thunder]

Though you gotta consider how hard it would be to sell a game made for high end chips on android

[fallow abyss]

Yeah man I just play like dead cells lol. But now it will be incredibly pretty

[tender thunder]

Because the vast majority of android devices are running budget low power chips

[fallow abyss]

That plus how little mobile gamers actually want to pay for games

[tender thunder]

That too yes

[fallow abyss]

I’ve seen people complain about like 2$ apps lol

[errant estuary]

I get this, but then you could say the same PCs. Vast majority can’t afford high end hardware, yet high end games come out still. Granted not exactly the same, Android is just dead for games, sadly.

[errant estuary]

So true.

[tender thunder]

I mean the gap isn't so big in the PC scene

But yeah I get your point

New ark mobile shows promise

[somber oak]

Is that resolution have any advantage for any Retro Gaming 1280x640 a 2:1 ratio

[austere tendon]

There's some fun android games, but more in the 2d/metroidvania genre. Not as many first party titles as Apple at the moment.

Retro Tech Dad has some great videos on the topic.

[austere tendon]

I mean with 640 you'll get GBA integer scaling, but half the screen will be black at that ratio... yuck.

It's not even that I hate black bars that much, just that then the device is stupid wide.

[somber oak]

Thanks bass someone was wanting to send it to me to review but not as a gaming machine has an MP3 player but I noticed it has a Snapdragon 665 and that has that 4-in screen and thought I wonder if it could play gaming good

It's marketed as a high-end MP3 machine for Gen Z

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOmsKzO

[fallow abyss]

What does this have to do with the evo?

[tender thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[rain cairn]

We Don't know that yet until we get that device in our hands

[inner aspen]

[wooden rain]

https://tenor.com/view/dodgeball-strategy-bold-tactics-gif-9166664

[tardy compass]

Its competing with odin2, it's a pretty safe bet. Only real gamble is weather or not devs update to support this line of chips.

Chip is as good if not slightly better, screen is undeniably better, battery is bigger, fan, heatsink and fins are bigger so cooling should be better, ergonomics are better, controls are generally better(dpad is to taste and triggers might have to much travel for some.

[tender thunder]

allegedly

[fallow abyss]

Need to cryogenically freeze for a couple months

[ember hatch]

I really thought the reception of this device would be much larger since it's a first of it's kind with the OLED 7 inch 120hz screen.

207 backers thus far heh

[frail burrow]

I genuinely believe if this were the same price and ayn it would sell out

But I'm known to be cynical

[ember hatch]

I was going to say it's probably the stigma surrounding Aya being the reason

This hits all marks from specs to price and yet...

It might also be because it's like 93+ days from potentially shipping that's not helping the cause either

[fallow abyss]

I mean, what does it normally hit in a day?

It’s been less than 12 hours lol

[tardy compass]

It hasn't even been 12 hours.

[ember hatch]

I've seen other early bird campaigns sell out fast because of the pricing. But I shouldn't be surprised either because it's Aya who release new devices about as frequently as Anbernic

[sand phoenix]

it's 100% price

it's a vicious circle, because prominent YouTubers know that people on average aren't interested in expensive devices, so they don't hype them up, which in turn means less people hear about Ayaneo releases

Ayaneo needs to 1) knock it out of the park and 2) send units to reviewers asap

[tribal wolf]

Whenever they send to Linus tech group it’s lol

[tender thunder]

Man

sending something to LTT is how you know you've hit rock bottom

[tribal wolf]

Glad to know I’m not at the bottom yet. It still goes deeper

[frail burrow]

I think igg probably affects it too

You have both aya and igg stigma

[tardy compass]

I think its the reviewer thing in this case. Pocket s had some issues that put off some people, probably want to confirm quality before purchase. Plus theres no real hurry, shipping aint happening for a few months people have time to wait and see if reviews come in or if other companies put out a response.

I dont think its price in this case because the price on this is fantastic for everything you get.

Give this to taki and russ and sales will come in.

[fallow abyss]

Yeah seems like this launched much earlier in their cycle than other stuff

[austere tendon]

I think pocket S hit 500 on the second day of IGG

And is around 1000 total now?

EVO is currently at 211

[fallow abyss]

Looks like even Russ didn’t know even a few days ago lol

[wet laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/880493945799450665/1248036304701227108/8sxhsv.gif

[austere tendon]

I don't think he's a big fan of aya... his pocket s review and following commentary made it sound like he had little interest in ever looking at it again

[fallow abyss]

What I’m saying is something like that + stuff like the accessories not being ready makes it seem like this one is much earlier in its cycle

I wonder if literally any other social media head has it

Or expecting one soon

[austere tendon]

Oh, yeah, I don't think so. I think they must be trying to gauge interest and costs or something.

By the time pocket s went on sale ETA and RGC had review units

not the case here

[frail burrow]

I think he's not super interested in android devices. Other than Odin 2 he seems like a Linux or x86 preference

And for someone who likes x86 it makes a lot of sense in this case. Why pay aya prices for android

[eternal dust]

Nobody hurt me and that is a very weird thing to say. It's just the truth, this processor will be slow and sluggish before 16 GB of RAM becomes an issue on Android, thus 24 is overkill

[tender thunder]

Seemed like there was a lot of emotion behind those options lol

[austere tendon]

People get very emotional about this silly hobby.

[eternal dust]

I'm not emotional at all, you're reading something about me that isn't there, such is the problem with text-based conversations

[tender thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-fuming-mad-gif-16789313

Oh no

This is where I leave

[tardy compass]

As long as they keep it at this length or less i thing its the way to go. Much better than the 4-5 month drip feed, 1-2 month prep, then 1 month igg-shipping turn around.

[eternal dust]

The rest I could agree with but ergonomics and controls are definitely not better, and I would argue is this device's weak point, along with the poor audio.

And when I say weak point that's when comparing it to the Steam Deck or the Ally X not necessarily the Odin.

[frail burrow]

Ergonomics is so subjective though. I find the Odin and ally x extremely uncomfortable

[fallow abyss]

Deck really is king at ergos lol

[frail burrow]

Deck is the only device with a large screen that I've found sort of comfortable

Pocket s is near the top in comfort for me but everyone has different hands

[tender thunder]

Totally, I feel like my Odin 2 mini is one of the most comfortable handhelds I own

Now that I no longer own the g cloud

I feel like y'all are just overthinking it TBH

There's no way to rationalize spending so much money on such a niche concept of a device

So the less rationalizing I do the more I like it

[tender thunder]

That's how I rationalized buying the retro power

I knew I'd regret not getting so I got it

[frail burrow]

I just sold because it was uncomfortable lol. But I agree - not thinking about it too much

If I would have liked the retro color more I would have been very tempted

If it was the pocket air color way?

[tardy compass]

Nah ergonomics on the geek are miles better even being heavier, and this improves on the 2 aspects the geek lacked. Grip size with the thinner body, and the height making the bumpers a little annoyong to use.

Controls wise if its equal to the geek controls its definitely better, the face buttons are snappier and very slightly quieter, bumpers are quieter. Only caveats are dpad as the odins dpad is incredible but its down to if you like the super high responsiveness of the clicky dpad or the softer higher travel dpad. Triggers again to taste if the travel it too high for you the geeks are kinda bad but they are super precise and odins travel is a lottle low, again to taste for that.

Sticks go to the geek easily, the stock tops on odin 2 are way way too small and have next to no grip to the point that its borderline unusable without 3rd party mods or stick tops from a very specific phone controller. Where as the geek gets full size sticks with readily available toppers for any of your needs. Also the right stick and dpad are way easier to use on the geek.

Odin 2 ergonomics look like they should be good, but they are way too small, and ultimately dont do anything for me. If you have smaller hands then its fine, but my hands are pretty average in size.

Whenever i pick up my odin i just cant find a comfortable way to hold it, i rearange my hand contstantly. Only comfortable position ive found make it completely impossible to use the right stick and dpad without rearranging my hands.

Speaker tho, yeah odin 2 beats the geek, not as big a gap as the pocket s, but definitely a noticable difference, hopefully we get some better ones.

[tender thunder]

I sold my Odin 2

Wasn't good enough for me

[rough axle]

It was an honest review. I don't think it has to do with him being a fan or not

[rough axle]

I sold my Geek solely because of ergonomic and small face buttons for the size. It was the weight of a Steamdeck but in a more compact form with small grips.

[tender thunder]

This is my first Ayaneo device

[tardy compass]

Well this lost a 3rd of its weight and got bigger grips.

[fallow abyss]

lol retro power is winning by a landslide

[real bridge]

This needs to be on the server banner 🤣

[tender thunder]

Real

[tardy compass]

Aye we just got custom fan curves.

[quartz moon]

It seems the $389 for 8/128 is still affordable by me
But with this chips , I think 12/256 is always better
but $459 is a bit out of budget as the size and weight seems not really perfect fit in what I want for a 7" device

[tardy compass]

This is one of the smallest 7in devices on the market, only things lighter dont have a fan.

[dense plover]

For the tl;Dr peeps on here, this is basically an ayaneo geek chassis with a g3x and oled screen right?

[frail burrow]

Slightly different chassis but mostly. And 120hz

[dense plover]

Yah the offset controls reminded me of the geek

Thanks man

This looks sexy

[fallow abyss]

Yeah that comparison makes it look way sleeker

[frail burrow]

Yeah - was just looking at the size comparisons that I saw on the aya discord

[dense plover]

That patented ayaneo baby sleep position grip

[tardy compass]

Hybrid between the geek and 2. Its slightly less wide, and a bit shorter. On top of that the thickness has dropped from 21-22mm in the center to 17mm. Grips are the same size but are now deeper.

For size comparison, ignore sticks and buttons placement is off.

[quartz moon]

I just notice it is almost the same size as the g cloud?

[tardy compass]

Yeah.

The ayaneo 2 is very small compared to other 7in x86 devices.

[vagrant sphinx]

You did.
Shame on you for hurting them.

(For legal reasons, I must specify that this is an /s).

[vagrant sphinx]

And meanwhile I just spent like $20 on Phantom Trick because in the entire time the remaster was out, I was never aware that it also was ported to Mobile and had to rectify that mistake immediately.

[tardy compass]

They added fan speed custimization to their software. Needs a bit more control rn only have 5° increments and 10% fan speed increments.

[untold umbra]

what wasnt good? or did you just want the mini

[tender thunder]

The shape and feel mostly, didn't like how it felt in my hands

[trail basin]

Looks like we're getting a screen protector after all, let's gooooo

[ember hatch]

Haha

We're putting a lot of thought into this gift box

Gift box includes:

1x Plastic Screen Protector

[frail burrow]

They should just do free shipping and forget the gift boxes

[tender thunder]

Am I stupid or does that not say screen protector anywhere

[golden bane]

Doesn't but who knows

[trail basin]

If they don't include a screen protector I'm out

[sand phoenix]

I'd be happy with a carrying bag

[frail burrow]

It'll be the same stuff as pocket s is my guess. A mouse pad. Some stickers

[tender thunder]

Tomtoc bag

[errant estuary]

So Indiegogo says the campaign has 60 days left. Does that mean if I back now, I can cancel & refund within 60 days from now if I decided not to go ahead?

[vestal hornet]

Not necessarily. Ayaneo sometimes ships before the end of the campaign. You've got until they lock your order to ship it.

But it's definitely not the case for the EVO.

So yeah you'll have 60 days to cancel.

[errant estuary]

Will I get the option to lock it or cancel? Or does locking in automatically happen. Sorry I’ve not used indiegogo before

[vestal hornet]

When Ayaneo is ready to ship the product they will lock in the order so you can't refund or change your shipping address.

They already said the EVO will be shipping in November so it's over 60 days, meaning that you can cancel through indiegogo until the campign ends.

Once the campaign ends you have to contact Ayaneo to cancel the order, which they do without any issues as long as it hasn't shipped yet.

[errant estuary]

Thanks for explaining. On kickstarter they ask you to commit to your purchase and delivery address to lock it. So I get an email notification to lock in. Was hoping Indiegogo also notified me before it’s locked in

[austere tendon]

Initially you can quickly refund through IGG. At some point they will lock orders and you will have to email Ayaneo support to cancel (which can take a bit of back and forth).

I have done both

[sand phoenix]

@errant estuary you have 60 days to refund it after you back it UNLESS they ship it to you in less than 60 days, in which case at the time of shipping it becomes "locked" and you can't refund anymore

that's everything that there is to it

[austere tendon]

Yes but there’s an in between phase where it’s not locked for shipping but it’s locked for immediate cancel through indiegogo and you have to go direct through aya support.

[sand phoenix]

that would be if they take longer than 60 days to ship, no?

[frail burrow]

They locked before they started shipping the pocket s. Kind of a crapshoot it seems

[fallow abyss]

I am locked in tbh. Would have to take an insane android device for me to even consider something else, and I don’t see that happening

[errant estuary]

Screw it, backed the 12gb version

[quartz raft]

whats in the gift box tho

https://tenor.com/view/seven-brad-pitt-box-whats-in-the-box-gif-3386206

[sand phoenix]

don't think they themselves know yet

[austere tendon]

Clearly they realized people were upset though because they posted that update this morning

[quartz raft]

i hope they figure out before the 7 days are up

[frail burrow]

They haven't done free bags in a while so I'd expect similar to micro and pocket s

[fallow abyss]

I really just need a screen protector lol

[quartz raft]

screen protector + case

[tender thunder]

I still don’t know how I feel about screen protector

It’ll make it look bezel-y

But I do hope for a tomtoc case

[fallow abyss]

I refuse to ruin an oled screen with a screen scratch.

A screen scratch to me is permanently ruining a device

[tender thunder]

I mean yeah but

The whole face of the device is screen

[fallow abyss]

That’s cool. I don’t care if the rest gets wear

[austere tendon]

I’ve never scratched a screen that wasn’t something like a phone that’s always in pocket.

[tender thunder]

Yeah my 405V screen is still nearly perfect

[fallow abyss]

Dude I’ve had an sp scratch lol. I take full precautions

No chance I’m giving any chance to ruining a 500+ dollar device cause I didn’t apply a protector

But that’s me

[vagrant sphinx]

Even if they include one with the device for free, it’s also still helpful to have extras, just in case that initial screen protector gets in a situation where you need to replace it.

[errant estuary]

I always buy Matte screen protectors for my handhelds and phones. I hate reflective glare from normal screen protectors

[amber hamlet]

Having trouble pulling the trigger...
Need a good review 1st, I really like my G cloud to let her go without strong confirmation that this is a slam dunk

[quartz raft]

7" 120hz OLED screen not good enough to persuade you?

[tender thunder]

I didn’t think twice

Dropped my G Cloud for this bad boy first time heard of it

[amber hamlet]

Never had a Ayaneo device and the G Cloud was the only android device that did it for me.
Screen, ergonomics and all that are perfect for me , although I miss the power..
Any word on youtubers getting this soon?

[fallow abyss]

I don’t think so, we seem to be a little early in the process

[amber hamlet]

So it's a bit of a gamble...
Damn, gonna wait a lil bit extra, if the early birds end it's basicaly a bad deal 😂

[wooden rain]

probably stickers too. Ayaneo did that on the first gift box.

[sand phoenix]

not very soon, first the micro will make it to reviewers, then the DMG, then this

we are 1-1.5 months away from reviews in the best case scenario I'd say

[tender thunder]

best course of action is to forget about it till reviews drop

[sand phoenix]

but you can always back it and request a refund later if it turns out it's a dud

[real bridge]

It’ll be 2x

[real bridge]

I have a 12.9 iPad Pro day 1 2018 model and I got the insurance because I hate protectors and whatnot…. It’s still completely mint 😂

[tender thunder]

yeah I'm totally passing on a screen protector for this

[fallow abyss]

It’s going on .5 seconds after opening the box for me

[unborn arrow]

I shat on this but just realized back when I was in the ayaneo server I championed this very thing 🤣 FML

When the geek was announced, I said it would be perfect if they could do a geek with android sku to make a better 7" version of the G Cloud.

😆

[rough axle]

They have new 3 devices live on IGG now and none have reviews from the big reviewers yet. I don't remember past Aya devices not having review units out by this point. Did they send anything to Russ or Taki?

[sand phoenix]

they typically send devices around 2 weeks to a month of starting the IGG campaign

however I think the EVO IGG campaign has gone live earlier than usual in their product cycle

I think we'll have to wait longer than a month to see reviews of this one

[cloud cipher]

haha well I was referring to the DMG there

I think the EVO is very good

[raw mountain]

I think Russ indicated he had a Micro and DMG on the way. But I would expect Evo to be a while.

[sand phoenix]

only Micros are being sent out, no DMG yet

DMG will presumably be next, then EVO

but yeah, it'll be a while

[unborn arrow]

I wish I could have a use case for this. But my Ally X solves many issues I had battery-wise, power-wise, screen-wise, etc lol.

But dammit I always wanted a powerful full size 7" android handheld.

Damn.

[austere tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

[quartz moon]

Does switch emulation really need 16Gb to work in any extreme case?

[tender thunder]

From what I hear yes

But only in the extreme cases

[tepid widget]

My 12 gig pocket 2 (that I returned) crashed on Zelda TOTK. It would show less than 400 MB of ram available before it crashed. I'm not making any mistakes this time and just got the 16gig evo

[quartz raft]

are you sure you dont want the 24gb?

[golden bane]

I also went 16

I'm having fomo over not getting 24

Might order a 2nd with 24

As a backup if the first one doesn't have enough ram for some games

[quartz raft]

just cancel and reorder?

[golden bane]

I'll use the first one as a main then the 24 if it actually needs more ram

[frail burrow]

People are free to buy all kinds of devices but spending more than it costs to buy a modded switch for totk seems like an odd choice when there is no development going on. And even lightweight games are often broken

[tender thunder]

I'll never understand why people buy these devices for switch, like a switch will almost always play switch games better

Well I mean I do understand why but

[frail burrow]

I say that as a pocket s owner. If your primary use is switch you're going to be disappointed. It'll still be an awesome device but the best switch device is still a switch

[storm oasis]

Buying a 2nd evo for one game is nuts 🤣

[tender thunder]

Mfs out here dropping $650 on a device to play switch when a 2nd hand lite is less than $200

The math ain't mathing but aight

You bought the retro power evo for switch emulation

I bought the retro power because I'm financially irresponsible

We're not the same

[patent hare]

hell i bought a modded switch lite 256gb for $150

[vestal hornet]

We're the same though

[thorn rock]

When switch lite oled screen comes out that, evo and sd oled. All becoming brothers!

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

Pocket air will cry in a corner 😅

[austere tendon]

Switch lite oled will probably look better than switch oled just due to smaller size meaning higher ppi. I might pick one up again when the mod materializes

[fallow abyss]

Round me it’s like 100$ or less lol

[quartz raft]

the one to rule them all

[unborn arrow]

Can you get me a 12GB one?

[frail burrow]

Honestly wish that was the case. Switch emulation just not good enough on Android yet

[quartz raft]

nope, but that wont stop some from chasing the dream

[frail burrow]

One day hopefully. We'll all dream

[tender thunder]

When ryujinx drops on Android maybe

[thorn rock]

Im more excited about WiiU emulation 😂

[fallow abyss]

I’m just going 16 off the rip. Not cause I think I’ll ever use it, just cause monkey brain said to

[frail burrow]

The more I use the pocket s the more I consider cancelling this. Can't keep both. Don't want to sell the pocket s

[tender thunder]

You don't have to sell it, just give it to me for free

[frail burrow]

But 1440p my darling

[quartz raft]

what apps are you running at 1440p?

[frail burrow]

Every emulator except switch. Which I've mostly abandoned at this point

[quartz raft]

6" 1440p emulation? excessive, but im all for it lmao

[frail burrow]

It's gorgeous. No reason not to do it

[quartz raft]

are you using any shaders? or raw doggin it

[tender thunder]

Does it have the power to run Wii/GC at 1440p?

[patent hare]

i imagine it would

[frail burrow]

Depends on the game. A lot of PS2 I'll run at 3.5 with a crt shader

[patent hare]

for odin 2 i keep all my resolutions at 3x most of the time, can sometimes push more but little point

[frail burrow]

I'm no resolution expert but depends on what you define as 1440p. 3x Wii is 1920x1584 so 2k in the vertical

[fallow abyss]

Yeah at some point it really does stop mattering

[tender thunder]

Enough to fill the pixels

[fallow abyss]

An interesting addition would be black frame insertion

There you benefit on the 120hz

[tender thunder]

So I wouldn't consider 1400p

[frail burrow]

2560x1440 is probably not possible because you'd have to go higher than 1440p in the vertical

[frail burrow]

Everyone is going to be different but my favorite handheld screens are all 1440p. Just is so great for retro. More modern things definitely has less impact

[fallow abyss]

So for me, the biggest improvement is of course 720p. That’s a huge step up. 1080 is nice, but not the same, and everything past that is pretty marginal, personally, for the games we intend to play on these things

[frail burrow]

I'd say 1080p is marginal over 720p for retro. Just skip it and go straight to 1440p

480p should die a good death

[fallow abyss]

I do agree 1440p is a better scale objectively, but in practice I notice very little improvement

For the screen sizes we are working with

For me of course, everyone can have their preferences

[frail burrow]

Yep

Conversation slowly leaning towards me cancelling lol

[fallow abyss]

Saving cash is never a bad option

[frail burrow]

I would just take it and spend it on another device

[patent hare]

so many attacks on most of us 😄

[vestal hornet]

What shader?

[quartz raft]

https://tenor.com/view/harrisonford-hansolo-starwars-allofit-greedy-gif-4616549

[austere tendon]

Nah, it provides tons of really good integer scaling compatibility, less visible artifacts/misalignment if you don’t integer scale, and resolution to run crt shaders and the like.

[feral trout]

Might aswell aim for the best imo even if you can only see the difference if you really focus on it.

[frail burrow]

On aether I like the wave shader but that's a bit heavier and doesn't look great at 3 or 4x scale. Otherwise I use the scanline filter

[sand phoenix]

Oh hi BassDerek, I just watched today your 1 month Ayaneo Pocket S review and thought it was really high quality stuff

[austere tendon]

Thanks!

[sand phoenix]

You are an A+ reviewer, hope we get to see more stuff from you in the future

[austere tendon]

Should be seeing a couple a month

[sand phoenix]

awesome 👍

the only problem I had with the review is that I didn't know that 1440p display was so good at integer scaling and now I can't unlearn that 😬

I always thought nothing would top the rg552 and Ayaneo just casually one upped it

[patent hare]

Yeah great review @austere tendon 🙂

[atomic basalt]

How long are those white sticks going to stay white and not become instantly yellow after a few days...

[untold umbra]

What's the video?

[tender thunder]

Its called washing your hands

You should try it sometime 😉

My white Odin 2 mini has yet to show any signs of yellowing

[tardy compass]

I dont think the full size hall sticks from aya ever had those issues. Ome of the early air models did iirc.

[atomic basalt]

Nah. That'll just wash away the flavor. 😽

I have a Gulikit KK2 Pro in white and these sticks yellow just sitting in the cabinet.

So I guess Aya has solved these problems.

[sand phoenix]

my switch OLED and PS5 haven't turned yellow and I've had them for a few years now

just wash your hands and don't smoke and you'll be good

[chilly quarry]

Yellowing in storage has more to do with oxidation and the rubber compound right??

You would have to tightly wrap it or something. It could also do with how humid it is in your area

[quartz raft]

just dont touch it with turmeric

[atomic basalt]

This is what happened with my KK2 Pro as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/GuliKit/comments/xv44o3/yellowing_joysticks_king_kong_2_pro/

So, this is why I am cautious about any white sticks.

But if the general consensus here is that Ayaneo has this covered I´ll be getting the white one.

[frail burrow]

My pocket s caps are still white but that's not saying much since i always put caps on switch sticks

I can guarantee the black will be a fingerprint magnet though

[patent hare]

im still torn on how much i really want this 😄

[tender thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[trail basin]

Last day to get the mystery gift box

[thorn rock]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-now-gif-8259067036335066552

[quartz raft]

guess the gift box wont push me to order one now

[sand phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/box-whatsinthebox-bradpitt-gif-4808580

can you imagine if they never reveal what's in the box

and it just becomes a long running meme

[trail basin]

A second pocket Evo

[quartz raft]

is today the last day for the gift box?

welp, if they dont reveal what it is before it ends, i may never buy one

[tender thunder]

You're not actually basing your purchase on the gift box right...

[frail burrow]

I don't really want a handheld. Just Ayaneo stickers and a bad screen protector

[trail basin]

and a sweet enamel mug

[fallow abyss]

Dam, does this mean I need a micro

[quartz raft]

https://tenor.com/view/teeter-totter-gif-18220956

wow the retropower is the most claimed. who woulda guessed

[quartz raft]

also something happened that reminded me that life is short and uncertain

[trail basin]

seems ayaneo captures customers with more purchasing power than the average "retro" gamer

[fallow abyss]

Well yeah, they have the retro power gamers

[unborn arrow]

I absolutely hated this scene. One of the movies I wish I had never seen as a kid. Lol

[golden bane]

Last day for extremely shiny screen protectors!

[fallow abyss]

Allllll abooooaaaarrrrddddd

[austere tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-train-conductor-bell-aboard-gif-17894267592467987115

What's interesting is this is actually underselling the Pocket S

I thought it would reach a broader audience, but maybe not

or maybe too many releases too bunched up

[thorn rock]

All g cloud owners upgrading 😅

[loud loom]

just too much overlap between products

[tender thunder]

What does this overlap with

I've never seen another device that fits my needs to perfectly

[austere tendon]

It's not the same, but if you own a g cloud and an o2, not everyone wants to sell them and get this

some many are content as is

[loud loom]

generic high end android device. if this was out when i bought my odin 2, i would've got this. but this product doesn't really do anything different for me to want to upgrade/sidegrade

[tender thunder]

I mean yeah if you're looking at it like a "generic high end android device" I can see why you'd think there's a lot of overlap

Then again I got stupid money

[loud loom]

lol stupid money as in too much money or lack of financial irresponsibility

[tender thunder]

I find that my Odin 2 mini and pocket evo have very different roles to fulfill

[tender thunder]

Both

[thorn rock]

I dont think many people understand why this is a g cloud upgrade for most people. When you get g cloud in hand. It is almost immediate how good it feels. Ergo grips, sticks, layout. Amazing screen. Looks like Evo is that plus more. Happy to pay more for this. No other handheld has felt as good in hand as g cloud does personally

[tender thunder]

G Cloud is truly a goated handheld

My all time favorite until the Evo now

I agree, you need to own and hold a G Cloud to understand

All my gripes with the G Cloud, as well as my wishes for a successor have been addressed with the Evo

[loud loom]

wow....they look very similar

[fallow abyss]

Some people like ghosting and that’s ok

[austere tendon]

I remember the day. Bought an o2 pro on market here shortly after release. New package comes, excitement. Open it up and turn it on. Scroll throught the menu and 🤮

They told me I was crazy, they made fun of me for selling the o2 days after receiving it..

(tbh the ergo was also a problem for me. Dunno if screen alone would have done it in)

I've been a moonlight game streaming nut for a couple years now, so the EVO is kinda the Halo device.

[tender thunder]

I never liked the Odin 2 screen

[fallow abyss]

Some people just like a ghosting panel with smaller sticks, smaller screen, smaller battery?, overly saturated colors that they swear are “oled like” but are actually saturated to the point of losing definition, and that’s OK man

[tender thunder]

The G Cloud has great colors

[fallow abyss]

I’m joking here, the o2 is a fine device lol just throwing fun jabs

[tender thunder]

But they aren't OLED level

[austere tendon]

Anyway, I actually liked the ergonomics of the Ayaneo 2S, and I think this will be a bit more comfortable due to it's weight/thinness/slight offset

[fallow abyss]

It actually does but I still see the washed out colors and grey black levels

Like it’s a really good panel, but it still isn’t oled

[austere tendon]

G Cloud screen is p. nice. I wouldn't complain if it had just a bit more juice and maybe full size sticks.

The EVO solves those problems

[tender thunder]

Oh yeah it falls flat on its face when you turn the brightness up

[austere tendon]

abxylute also had a really nice screen, just... you know there was a donkey pulling a cart under the hood instead of a team of horses.

[frail burrow]

Most people aren't worried about screen. They're thinking about form factor and this competes more with the Odin 2 than the pocket s. My theory at least

[tender thunder]

The abxylute... Is the abxylute lol

[fallow abyss]

For me the absolute biggest thing is oled

With a passion I dislike hearing a panel is “oled like”

Almost every time that means blown out saturation

[frail burrow]

Most people don't know what OLED really looks like

[tender thunder]

I both pity and envy those people lol

[frail burrow]

OLED TVs too expensive. OLED monitors both expensive and rare

[tender thunder]

OLED PC monitors are pretty rare cuz the burn in with the static elements of a desktop

[fallow abyss]

I just use an oled tv as my monitor lol

[tender thunder]

I'm rocking a $100 1440p Walmart monitor lol

[fallow abyss]

Didn’t know they had a 1440p that cheap

[tender thunder]

It was clearance

Was open box and the stand was broken

But that was okay since I use a monitor arm

[frail burrow]

I bought an OLED monitor lately. It's very nice

Expensive but like 50% off

[austere tendon]

I think most people's experience with oled is their phone

Which probably isn't quite big enough for 'wow factor'

[golden bane]

I've had an AW3423DW for 2 years, quite early compared to most it's a high end QD-OLED

My eyes have adjust to beauty

It was the first of its kind at the time pretty sure retail was close to 1400

It's also nice making sure the expensive product you buy has the latest today's technology offers,

[sand phoenix]

I find that this is only clearly visible when scrolling through menus on Android but not so much when actually playing games

[austere tendon]

Fair, like I mentioned the ergo also wasn't great for me.

[loud loom]

tablets are fairly common now as well

[sand phoenix]

ergo on the Odin 2 is opinionated I'll say that

[loud loom]

what turned me into a oled snob was definitely vr headsets though

[austere tendon]

Oh, true

Maybe most people just don't care that much

[loud loom]

it's truly a curse if you can notice the difference and care

like being an audiophile lol

[real bridge]

OLED panels are much more difficult to get “great” than IPS. The chances of the Evo having a bad panel (calibration, ghosting, brightness consistency) are far from zero.

[austere tendon]

I don't think I've ever seen a ghosting oled

but color consistency and calibration, sure

[loud loom]

i think people tend to confuse burn in with ghosting

or motion/sample blur

[real bridge]

It’s not uncommon for OLED to ghost with fast moving images

[real bridge]

Two very different things lol

[austere tendon]

I'll say this, I have owned several Ayaneo devices, and I've never had a bad screen in one

it's possible, but hopefully they continue the trend

[loud loom]

yea, but it's a pretty common issue that people mixup in support forums and such for various oled products

[real bridge]

That’s good to know they do well with their panels. My point was that until it’s in the hands of reviewers it isn’t guaranteed to be a great panel.

[loud loom]

like modern 120hz screens are pretty much never going to have actual ghosting like you would with lcd

[real bridge]

Large format, yeah. But not small format. Outside of phones there isn’t nearly the same market on them or tech behind them.

[fallow abyss]

It’s almost guaranteed this is a good panel chief, track record is good

[loud loom]

yea, one of the big reasons i backed the micro and am considering the dmg is ayaneo actually choose good screens

[frail burrow]

Where are all these OLED tablets? I want one

[loud loom]

had a chance to try out some of their other products and was surprised that they weren't the budget ones like from toher companies

[tender thunder]

They're everywhere... outside of ipads

[loud loom]

pretty much any high end tablet from companies that make them are oled now

[frail burrow]

The only one I know is the gigantic Samsung tablets

Being serious saying I'd love some options

[loud loom]

huawei, honor, surface, lenovo

[frail burrow]

Lenovo makes OLED Android tablets?

I should have clarified - not looking for windows

[loud loom]

yea....my favorite budget tablet is the lenovo tab p11 pro, i have the chinese version that has a snapdragon 870. it's an 11.2" oled 120hz

it was like $250 in an aliexpress sale

huh, that's weird, the 2023 and 2024 iterations of the tablet are no longer oled :/

[quartz raft]

Which headset you using

[tardy compass]

Its insulated, actually quite nice. Only real issue i have with it is its size.

[patent hare]

I'd love the y700 2023 model

[thorn rock]

8 gen 3 model just hit geekbench https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alleged-Lenovo-Legion-Y700-2024-visits-Geekebench-with-a-Snapdragon-8-Gen-3-onboard.874625.0.html

[patent hare]

oooh

[thorn rock]

This should mean 2023 will go down in price. 8+ Gen 1 is no slouch

[patent hare]

yeah its a damn good chip

i would like a tablet. Was looking at the blackview active 8 pro too

[alpine heath]

I am guilty of this

[tender thunder]

Guilty as charged

[alpine heath]

Lol

[feral trout]

What y'all planning to play on this lil thing

[alpine heath]

the sims 2 cast away on the ps 2

[tender thunder]

The setting up retroarch on my 405V game

Also shopping for a cheap tablet on Ali

[alpine heath]

Ohh nice

[alpine heath]

Lol I've been reading the pocket evo chat

[tender thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-breathing-scared-emoji-fear-gif-19147724

[alpine heath]

lol

true true

Yoo same! I just get games that look interesting

I wish

[tardy compass]

Allegedly one of these other companies has this chip, i think it was ambernic but i don't remember for sure.

[alpine heath]

Man that would be great! would look to see a successor to the rg556

[tender thunder]

Prolly retroid or Ayn

[tardy compass]

I know it wasn't ayn.

[alpine heath]

Ayn odin 2 mini OLED

https://tenor.com/view/power-gif-26477241

[tender thunder]

Real

[alpine heath]

Considering how good Oled are these days i'd love to see it be more of a thing in the future

I Hope the Evo comes with a case

[tender thunder]

Tomtoc case

[alpine heath]

wait for real? hell yeah

I hope the gift box is actually good since I manage to back in in time before the 7 days are up

[vestal hornet]

Traditionally Ayaneo's accessories have been collabs with decent brands. Tomtoc cases, 8bitdo controllers, etc.

[alpine heath]

ohhh I'll keep that in mind gonna try to look up their past Indie gogo campaigns so that I can get a decent idea on what a gift box potentially contains

[vestal hornet]

And I'd wager the gift includes a case

[alpine heath]

Would be a Godsend!

interesting

I hope the gift box includes a screen protector

[brazen mica]

this would kill

[alpine heath]

Ye

[brazen mica]

im really excited for this device even though I'm not getting it

[alpine heath]

I'm excited since I got the DMG model

[brazen mica]

because I'm excited to see Aya putting out more cool stuff that's really high end. Now for more compact models that aren't a meme, like the Micro is

[alpine heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1016837721307762788/1273798833863917610/image.png?ex=66bfed1c&is=66be9b9c&hm=ef92f42cab1bb036350b28ac23eccf8f1e491ec1e29782512cbc11e94b08835c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=516&height=350

I would have gotten the cheaper models but gosh dang it! I love the DMG theme on anything

[brazen mica]

https://tenor.com/view/blink-wtf-confused-huh-shocked-gif-10304352405531683529

is that PINK

[alpine heath]

I do wish the micro was handled better, looks a bit big for pocket size

[alpine heath]

nah just red

[brazen mica]

the buttons make that cream look pink in that lighting

would've been sick

[alpine heath]

OH ye

[fallow abyss]

lol you are going through time

[tender thunder]

probably going back to experience all our cope

[fallow abyss]

Cope?

[tender thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[fallow abyss]

Yeah but for what lol

[alpine heath]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-strange-dr-strange-strange-benedict-cumberbatch-avengers-gif-22604801

@fallow abyss

I read like most of the convo lol

I got too excited lol

[feral trout]

Funny enough i like both the micro and dmg more than the evo. Not saying the evo isn't great too

[feral trout]

Vibes.

[golden bane]

at this point

unless new top end android device has the other things such as full sized hall effect sticks, 120hz and a few other notable features like HDR

its gonna feel quite insignificant

the amount of android devices running the same chipset as the Odin 2 at 60Hz,

it might be 0

60Hz is super dated and makes the device feel awfully frustrating/slow to use

waste of its power

[feral trout]

Don't many games cap at 60 fps tho maybe like window emulator can go higher.

[golden bane]

its useful for android gaming and then also BFI with emulation, but even more importantly for me, navigating menu's and the entire experience using the thing benefits from a high refresh rate

every swipe is noticeably smoother,

[feral trout]

Bfi sounds nice for me. Like honestly for my usercase 60 is going to be enough but it is nice to have 120 for sure.

[terse crow]

Most humans can't even perceive framerates above 90fps in a movie or gaming environment. 120-144 is typically only needed for high-end competition. Not sure what games on Android need that kind of precision.

[feral trout]

I don't know if I buy the not able to perceive thing, but after some point i really need to focus to see the difference.

[terse crow]

I did say most humans, there are always going to be those people who can tell the difference between the water of the three great lakes by smell or see in infrared (my ex could do that, made sleep studies impossible because the night vision cameras kept her up). Humans are an extremely varies species, but beyond a certain point more FPS and more resolution is just goign to get diminishing returns.

[golden bane]

i dont know about that but 120hz to 175 is noticeable for me

60 to 120, is unbelievably noticeable

one of the biggest features i look for in any device

cant be understated

[terse crow]

So is infrared to my ex.
I am genuinely curious about the statistics though. How many people can do the pepsi challenge with different framerates and how much is a placebo effect.

[feral trout]

Like I 100 percent can see the difference in those UFO tests, but in real usercase it's pretty hard for me to "feel" the difference.

[golden bane]

It also depends on alot of things but if you use a mouse to pan a screen for example or swipes with fingers or very high sensitivity controls you'll see the hz more easily

On pc it's most noticeable but navigating UK

UI*

on my pocket air gives me depression

I haven't used a 60Hz device in like a long time

Until then

[feral trout]

I'm happy you finally have a 120hz gaming device soon then.

[golden bane]

I wish more devices were like this

Because if it's running android and it's a very high end chipset

They go hand in hand

It's the perfect compliment

[brazen mica]

i feel like youre kind of overstating how important >60hz is, it's not. Most games you've ever played outside of PC games cap there or below, and most high end use-cases can benefit from capping at 60 these days

[brazen mica]

to me, this is so irrelevant compared to being able to afford the device / it actually existing

like i get it, i have an iphone 14 pro, is smoof, but to me, for a cheap, weak handheld, it's a far less important feature

[feral trout]

I personally never cared about menu's myself, ive seen many videos and posts of people prettying up the ui with boxart of games and what not but it isnt for me.

But ya we all have our own perferences i can be like fairly obssesive with aspect ratios, filters and size if handhelds. 😅

[tender thunder]

My monitor is 165hz...

Its a night and day difference compared to 90hz

[feral trout]

I missread that as mother somehow.

[feral trout]

I wish it could feel like that for me.

[golden bane]

High refresh rates are available on sub $100 Chinese smartphones

This isn't a break the bank feature

[tardy compass]

Its all based on subjective tests. At a certain point its more that most people just dont care rather than cant.

Hook anyone up to a 90hz computer and a 120/144hz computer and anyone will be able to tell the difference short of being blind.

[golden bane]

It's an expectation I believe high end android handhelds with the best chipset should offer.

[tardy compass]

Difference is availability of phone panels and 16:9 panels. If these companies settled for phone aspect ratios we would have better screens for cheeper. This panel is basically the exception for its size ratio and specs.

[feral trout]

I dont think i can't apart when i see a direct comparisment. :(

But even if you wouldnt be able 't pinpoint it still would effect you probally. Like i bet i do a lot better at a fps at 144 than 90

[tender thunder]

There's also a huge difference in VR applications

[fallow abyss]

Lmao this sounds like the “humans can’t see past 30fps” meme. 100% people can feel and see past 90 lol. Even a jump from 100 to 144 would feel notable

[untold umbra]

My phone is 120 & i notice the difference in scrolling, not so much in games

[tardy compass]

Makes sense, most games still run in 60

[unborn arrow]

Any YouTubers have content out for this device yet?

I cannot find any hands on videos.

Doesn't ayaneo have a reputation for their shells cracking?

[brazen mica]

That're otherwise garbage, sure. There has to be a compromise somewhere.

[midnight talon]

No, and I expect it will be a while. The Pocket Micro launches first and all we have is ETA Prime's first look video so far, and that ships next month. Then the Pocket DMG will be next which ships in October. Then it will finally be the Evo's turn, with it shipping in November.

[patent hare]

yeah content for pocket evo is gonna be a while

[feral trout]

Mine is supposed to go up to like 165 and i do think i feel the diffrence between like 90 and 165 but at the same time i feel its just a placebo affect.

[austere tendon]

The biggest advantage of 120hz for me is game streaming.

[feral trout]

I didnt actually know 120hz streaming was a thing.

[vagrant sphinx]

I can buy some people, but yeah not most.
The meme itself (everyone can only see up to 60fps) is completely stupid, but there likely are people who can’t process vision as smoothly as others.

Also, did anyone else notice that the goalposts for that meme always seem to be moving? Like Superbottle, you called it “can’t see past 30fps”, I’ve personally heard it be 60fps as the max, and I’m assuming Voodoo mostly heard 90fps.

[feral trout]

I always feel its being used for people to justify a game having like a fps cap.

[unborn arrow]

Yuck. Ok. I need to just close the indiegogo tab and walk away from this lol

[real bridge]

This is exactly what it’s for

[feral trout]

I admit I have a hard time seeing a difference even between 30 and 60 tbh . But I have a hard time figuring out what I'm supposed to see different 😅

[real bridge]

It depends on the game. Some games run well at 30fps and aren’t a huge detractor. But the bulk are solid at 60+

[tender thunder]

Negatory, I'd expect videos some time next month

[fallow abyss]

Yeah so for like emulation a game really should run at its native frame rate. They often weren’t meant to be variable. Modern and many pc games you can go variable. Some android games support unlocked or higher fps.

[tender thunder]

I'm using the 120hz in moonlight

[real bridge]

But Linus told me 120hz on the Ally was good for emulation

[fallow abyss]

Black frame insertion from my understanding adds fluidity but just by inserting things between frames, not really messing with the emulation itself

[tender thunder]

Linus doesn't know what he's talking about lol

[real bridge]

He does but it was just a dumb comment lol

[fallow abyss]

If he mentioned bfi I can see what he means

Otherwise idk

[real bridge]

He didn’t, he was talking about selling points in the original Ally early hands on video

[fallow abyss]

lol

I don’t see why 120hz would be beneficial then no

That’s pretty funny

VRR is really banger doe

Like genuinely

But also not for emulation much

[midnight talon]

It's shame that to take advantage of the Early Bird prices, we need to buy without first seeing reviews. But yeah I'd hate to pay more and I want one so I bought it, hope the reviews aren't bad...

[feral trout]

That's how they get ya with the early birds.

[tender thunder]

Its been a while since I've gambled on a device

Its not like ayaneo has a reputation for not delivering so I think we're good

[feral trout]

I feel in general Android handhelds are a bit less of a gamebls than PC handhelds

[tender thunder]

For sure

This also isn't the first time we've seen the G3X G2

[fallow abyss]

Moreso they have a reputation for poor qc/customer service, but idk how true that is nowadays

[feral trout]

Also even after like reviews it's still a gamble if you get a device without a defect 😭

[tender thunder]

Yup

[fallow abyss]

I am a fraud, I think I’m going to cancel my evo backing. The more I think about it the more I know I just won’t use it much lol. It would be really beautiful decor

[tender thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-glare-still-cat-still-gif-9009712384077510927

Phoney

[fallow abyss]

I do want to see how it comes out for yall lol, it truly looks ultimate

[tender thunder]

I know I'm gonna use the shit outta mine

[thorn rock]

https://tenor.com/view/playing-game-richard-parliament-top-hat-gaming-man-looking-down-focus-gif-23069179

Me with my pocket evo 😅

Just have lots of alcohol wipes to hand

[tender thunder]

Real

I have a mountain of alcohol wipes

[feral trout]

Fair, to be honest I'm not even backing it , it isn't for me. But i'm really really excited for you all

[tender thunder]

I'm in too deep to turn back now

I have to commit

[feral trout]

You have a problem haha.

[fallow abyss]

This is an amazing screenshot lol

[tender thunder]

[tender thunder]

You're not wrong

[patent hare]

A problem i think most of us have 😄

[alpine heath]

@tender thunderoh yeah you know what's weird? we don't have a channel for aya neo stuff

[tender thunder]

Yeah I noticed

Aya is relegated to "other stuff"

How insulting

[weary musk]

There are two Ayaneo channels, one for Android and one for x86.

But to be fair, most of the Ayaneo chat goes on over on the official Ayaneo server. It's why they don't get talked about much on RH.

[tender thunder]

I mean

Ayn devices have their own channel

[trail basin]

Ayn is beloved though

[tender thunder]

Ayaneo discord is full of snobs too lol

[weary musk]

https://tenor.com/view/jay-z-bang-guns-rappers-rap-gif-10987246

For what it's worth, I prefer the Ayaneo discord to the Ayn discord.

Ayaneo discord is full of weebs with lots of money (I don't mean that negatively).

Ayn discord.....I get bad vibes there. The mods are weirdly aggressive, and make fun of people for minor errors.

That said, I don't think Ayaneo devices should have their own channels here. Some of them only sell 500 units, and most of those people are either not on discord or talking on the official Ayaneo discord. They just won't get enough chatter on RH. Ayn just sell a lot more.

[fallow abyss]

Dawg to be fair

A shit ton of channels should be condensed

[tender thunder]

I watched some knobhead have a meltdown over how "scientifically bad" Odin 2 sticks are lol

[fallow abyss]

That’s absurd lol

[tender thunder]

On the ayaneo discord lol

[fallow abyss]

Though they are somewhat small for the device, they definitely aren’t bad

Same idea with a gcloud

[weary musk]

Fair.

[tender thunder]

I think it's nice to have a channel for a specific device/family for people looking for insight

[weary musk]

Retroid stuff could do with some condensing. RP2S/flip/3+ are basically the same really.

I like the condensed h700 channel

[tender thunder]

Some of the older stuff could be condensed yeah

[fallow abyss]

Definitely arc to the 3 series, 505 and 405 mix them together

[tender thunder]

Would be a good topic for #837535791684780062

[fallow abyss]

Nano, win600, any other future oddity throw to anbernic weird shit channel /s.

[weary musk]

K101+ can live there

[tender thunder]

K101+ my beloved

[feral trout]

People get too passionate about their brick of choice huh.

[weary musk]

I just got an email about it from Anbernic. Even they seem embarrassed to talk about it publicly to a wider audience.

[weary musk]

Console wars never end

https://tenor.com/view/jon-snow-game-of-thrones-got-standing-his-ground-gif-8868056

[tender thunder]

Real

[alpine heath]

oh RIP 😦

[alpine heath]

yeah since this is gonna be a long term issue, the max limit for creating channels is appearently 500

[weary musk]

Anbernic alone will get over that by the end of the year

[alpine heath]

https://tenor.com/view/yeminli101-gif-20335408

[cloud cipher]

thanks for bringing that up

real talk that channel is still underutilized, the community should really take advantage of it

[tender thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[austere tendon]

Believe me, mods talk about this a lot. But it's trickier than you think as community members get upset about changes. Also deciding how/what to group and determining which channels have low activity.

[fallow abyss]

At some point you do have to ~~ say fuck em /s.~~ make that decision

But yeah, not for me to worry about lol

You know what I will look at the channels and chuck a suggestion to suggestions

[alpine heath]

Playing gameboy games is gonna be good

[prime verge]

uhh, the evo is 1920x1080 isn't it?

what is 1080x720?

[tender thunder]

[alpine heath]

whoops i messed up lol

[patent hare]

Tbh a lot of people in the ayn discord seem either deliberately obtuse or treat the most minor issues like someone fucked their wife

[feral trout]

I don't think Pilar boxing looks good , but that's just my opinion

[weary musk]

It genuinely puts me off buying Ayn stuff, as I just don't want to go there. Which is a shame, as the Odin 1 is actually a pretty good deal right now.

[patent hare]

Nothing stopping you by just buying the hardware and not messing in the discord?

[weary musk]

It's not an absolute or anything. But I like spending time in a discord channel when I get a new handheld. You learn stuff, and it's sort of part of the experience for me.

[tardy compass]

Get the black model, with oled itll be less noticable.

[alpine heath]

Gameboy color is gonna look good

[tender thunder]

[feral trout]

I'm glad you think so

[weary musk]

[tender thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/luluwpp-gif-25648350

[sand phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/three-months-later-wentworth-s7e1-waiting-gif-22933762

[golden bane]

I'm thinking of what potential game changers this device Is missing

Front facing speakers I think is the best thing it's missing at the highest tier but even then that's not the same level as lcd vs OLED or high refresh rates

We got the best sticks we probably could ask for on an android handheld

[alpine heath]

@tender thunder @fallow abyss is this console more powerful than the Odin 2? Like emulation wise I know that there’s no emulation tests on it but I’m not fimiliar with android CPUS

[tender thunder]

Technically it's more powerful yes

[fallow abyss]

Pretty much similar

In practice they are similar

[alpine heath]

Ohh so it’s neck to neck

Hmm doesn’t a more powerful CPU means they have to work less hard so the battery life is better even if the battery capacity is the same right?

[fallow abyss]

Basically yeah, more optimized drivers on the o2 but slightly stronger hardware here

[alpine heath]

Hmm makes sense e

[patent hare]

pretty much. With android emulation kinda still right now (wiiU still very much a WIP and winlator stuff is quirky but usable) ps2/3ds/switch has all stalled for time being, so only so much the power can do

[alpine heath]

Hmmm thanks!

[patent hare]

the oled big screen/bigger battery will be good draws for this though

If i did not own a odin 2 already i'd be considering this

[alpine heath]

Kinda glad I don’t have an Odin 2, would be hard for me to try and get this and convince myself lol

[loud loom]

think this and odin 2 do very different things

orthat's what i'm telling myself

[alpine heath]

Good that means you need to get pocket evo lol

[loud loom]

oh man, just realized i was in the wrong chat lol. thought we were talking about the dmg

i will say if my odin 2 dies or if i have a reason to get rid of it. i would definitely replace with the evo at this point. not sure there's anything that really does anything comparable besides maybe the pocket s for a different form factor

[alpine heath]

True not a lot of android handhelds as powerful

[atomic basalt]

Will the 8GB version be good enough for things like Winlator / WIndows emulation?

[patent hare]

Probably? maybe 12gb if you really want to have a cushion

[feral trout]

Depends what you want to emulate probably?

I think it probably would enough for indies and fangames

[atomic basalt]

Something like Fallout New Vegas or Mass Effect series

[loud loom]

think 8gb shoudl be fine for fnv at least. i got it running a while ago on a pretty old tablet. i'm more curious how much of a difference ufs 4.0 vs 3.1 memory is going to make since only the 256gb+ models have it

i think winlator in general though you would probably be much better off with min 12gb ram based off everything i've seen following it

[atomic basalt]

Thanks.

[trail basin]

I'd upgrade to 12Gb just for UFS 4.0 alone

[alpine heath]

You know what I hope? I hope Pocket Evo lets you use a SIM card, would be awesome to put a SIM card in and get data

[raw mountain]

I believe that they already confirmed no cell data as it was too cost prohibited to include with the g3x SOC.

[alpine heath]

Hmm makes sense I already bought the retro power version lol, would straight up kill me if they increase it more

[quartz raft]

you mean you didnt get the retro power + that has cell data?

[alpine heath]

Oh I’m planning to get the retro power

It’s like a better retroid pocket 4 pro and rg556

[quartz raft]

i kid i kid

[alpine heath]

Haha fair

Though it is weird that Aya neo power air comes with a sim slot

[quartz raft]

maybe they found that no one was using it

it would also be super annoying if one were to lose that slot adapter

[alpine heath]

True that and probably costs more just to have a SIM card function

[austere tendon]

Aya CEO said Qualcomm charges millions for radio licensing

Not financially feasible to include cellular in the EVO

[alpine heath]

Jesus

[alpine heath]

Ahh explains why nearly all android hands don’t have this feature

[wet laurel]

So using a hotspot it is..

[frail burrow]

It's the reason phone companies try not to use Qualcomm modems too

[alpine heath]

@tender thunder @fallow abyss ain't even out and yet we already have this for sale lol

[tender thunder]

That's what I'm talking about

[alpine heath]

here's hoping we get to see cases pop up in alieexpress

just in case my freaking retro power doesn't come with on 😦

[tender thunder]

Tomtoc case

[alpine heath]

wait the pocket evo comes with a tomtoc case?

[tender thunder]

I wish

[alpine heath]

oh you're talking about the accessories on aya neo?

I do remember Pocket evo looking very similar so it might fit in one of their cases

[tender thunder]

I hope Tomtoc makes a case for the Evo

[tardy compass]

Be careful with them. Some of the adhesives they used take the might of god to remove. And most of these cheap chinese screen protectors dont use any form of oiliophobic coating so fingerprints are much harder to clean.

[alpine heath]

ohhh same!

[alpine heath]

Ohhh thanks! i'll have to keep that ni mind

[quartz raft]

maybe itll be in the gift box

[tender thunder]

Hopefully

[alpine heath]

Hopefully!

I hope the gift box is something more practical

[quartz raft]

like an ash tray and/or bottle cap opener

[alpine heath]

useful

[tender thunder]

Or a belt buckle

[quartz raft]

that wouldve tipped me over...

a belt buckle.... thats detacheable and is a retro handheld itself!

[atomic basalt]

Is it possible to deactivate the in-built controller of the Ayaneo units to play with an external controller?

[feral trout]

What are you planning on playing

[golden bane]

yh u can do that

[atomic basalt]

I want to put the Evo on my tablet holder and play with an external controller in bed.

[real furnace]

Welp, i did it. I ordered one. I officially have way too many handhelds.

[austere tendon]

Time to sell some to other addicts. Whatcha got?

[real furnace]

My odin 2 will go if im happy with the Evo. But my pocket air will always be mine

[austere tendon]

Have a onexfly?

lol

[real furnace]

No i dont. I almost ordered one today but went with the Evo.

[tender thunder]

Which model?

[real furnace]

12/256 black

[tender thunder]

Nice nice

[quartz raft]

no RETRO POOOWWWEERRR?

[tender thunder]

Well I got retro power

[real furnace]

Im ultra retro with the pocket air

[tender thunder]

[real furnace]

That version looks great but the price... ill get a 200 dollar customs charge

[quartz raft]

https://tenor.com/view/power-carlton-i-can-feel-the-power-gif-13504693

[alpine heath]

I do hope tech dweeb either gets a retro power edition for him to review or he manages to snag one himself

[tender thunder]

He got a pocket S so there is hope

[alpine heath]

Ohh nice

I remember in one of his videos on an Aya neo product he really wanted the retro power version

[tender thunder]

The air 1S iirc

He did that recently

[alpine heath]

Ohh

[tender thunder]

https://youtu.be/bL44UCxA7aU?si=w1JaXRmY46dPmxt4

[alpine heath]

Ohhh