AYN Odin 2 Mini

[past ermine]

Hopefully...

[magic geyser]

ill still wait a bit, its already too late to get an odin2 by my birthday

[spiral mountain]

dream handheld in the GOAT form factor, so pumped for this release

[still yarrow]

hmmm

8 gen 2 would make this tempting

[spiral mountain]

shaping up to check all of the right boxes, ample power, pocketable (?), front firing speakers, ergonomic design, looks to be analog triggers as well

[still yarrow]

all id like to know is battery life

and how the screen holds up. esp ghosting

[spiral mountain]

I think this will likely have around the ballpark of a 4-5000 mah battery, and from Ayns message it sounds to be another Sd8gen2, with how efficient that chip is I don’t anticipate battery life being a concern. definitely expect this to be better than the rp4 pro, probably somewhere around the rg405m

[magic geyser]

they should tbh

[still yarrow]

i prefer switch

on everything but x86

[magic geyser]

they could do playstation instead to really confuse everyone

[spiral mountain]

Xbox layout gang rise up 🐕🐕🐕🐕

[modern briar]

glad I found the playstation sticker before I committed to sakura buttons

[dawn yarrow]

Dumb!!

I want blank buttons. Figure it out

[maiden acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-mad-angry-gif-16849857

[maiden acorn]

Do not actually boo them for their preferred layout, I just almost never find an opportunity to use this meme, and it’s legit too funny to not take any opportunity I get.

[cinder crescent]

So this looks like its going to be identical to the odin 2's guts, but different shell and screen?

[magic geyser]

yep and smaller

[cinder crescent]

So I shouldnt immediately return the Odin 2 I ordered 2 nights ago?

[spiral mountain]

hey, when the opportunity arises you seize it

[queen rose]

I think you mean “unmarked edition”

[robust flower]

https://tenor.com/view/mrandmissjackson-ariana-grande-michael-jackson-gif-20951576

[dawn yarrow]

Does ayaneo make those ?

[dense kettle]

yes indeed

unmarked editions were offered for the pocket s but at a crazy mark up

[dawn yarrow]

How much? Mark up

Last time I looked down on a controller to see what the buttons were was the OG Xbox because Microsoft had to make it different

[dense kettle]

$70 bucks

[dawn yarrow]

WTF

[dense kettle]

Storage ram and screen res stay the same

Maybe the unmarked edition gives you a free grip

[dawn yarrow]

That is stupid.

Basically a 35xx SP

Just to not have something

[tiny summit]

what is the difference between the two of them that there's a $70 price difference 🤔

[dense kettle]

they buttons are unmarked

no abxy

[tiny summit]

and people pay for that?

[dense kettle]

[tiny summit]

hey more power to them and ayaneo tbh

I'll never understand why we never see A and X across from each other with B on bottom and Y at the top

A on bottom is Xbox layout, X on top is nintendo layout, PS does its own thang

[ivory saddle]

Lol this would basically eliminate the need for the Retroid Pocket 4 Pro

[dense kettle]

Id wait for the SoC reveal and pricing

[ivory saddle]

I mean pricing is whatever

[drowsy lintel]

I'd be super hyped for this, if my poor eyesight didn't require the larger Odin 2 screen to not strain myself while gaming.

[queen rose]

Yeah just a special bragging rights edition of the pocket s. $70 more, came with the $33 case as well as a mug and hat. So basically $40 for mug and hat…

[ivory saddle]

Even if power is restricted to base model it'll be an overall improvement in areas that lacked quality like the screen

[queen rose]

Yeah I mean I’m over here playing on my 8.8” y700. 5” ok for older stuff but modern stuff I need a big screen.

[tiny summit]

since they went all out with the 155% srgb & mini LED display I could see this being QHD lmao

[dense kettle]

I’d prefer 1080p

[wispy timber]

It does, and some other merch.

[dense kettle]

Mini having a higher res then the Odin 2 would be weird

[tiny summit]

true

[dense kettle]

Unless the mini stands for miniLED and it’s actually 7 inches

But not gonna happen with 320g

[wispy timber]

It doesn't have a battery, it's plugged in only

If the mini had 1440p somehow and the SD8G2 I'd drop my Pocket S, but it looks like the latter might ship before those specs get confirmed.

[past ermine]

Tbh I feel like 1440p on a screen that small is overkill

A higher refresh rate on the other hand

[dense kettle]

cause it is

[past ermine]

That could be cool to go over 60fps

[dense kettle]

higher refresh on android is whatever

just eats battery

[past ermine]

Hahaha true

[dense kettle]

if pocket s didnt implement it being the non plus ultra android flagship no one else will

at least for the time being

[half ibex]

Top stick is better, if it matters to you your handheld has bad ergos

[maiden acorn]

The consensus is that both are fine, and you’re coping for literally no reason if people preferring a different thing matters to you this much.

[empty gust]

wait they were thinking of Dpad on top

and they are going with switch layout now?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL

[dense kettle]

Referring to the face buttons

Not dpad

Nintendo vs Xbox

[empty gust]

oh lol

[fervent elm]

This thing seriously has my attention

As someone who held off on the 556 and RP4P and honestly couldn't afford the Odin2, this could be JUST what the doctor ordered

[serene isle]

It's impossible for them to change the fundamental design at this moment

[vital maple]

Wtf why

[livid spade]

...so it's an Odin 2 crammed in a vita or am I missing something here

Because I'm really confused about the potential price point now

And I can't say I quite like the look of the design if it's specifically part of the Odin 2 line tbh

[empty gust]

It's probably gonna be same price. The main thing is it's lighter with a miniled screen

[livid spade]

I get that it's probably a novelty above all but it is a tad bit confusing

It could have at least attempted to look like an Odin 2 lol

[clever path]

Yeah, looks pretty cool, but I also doubt it's going to be cheaper than Odin 2

Happy to be wrong, of course

[ivory saddle]

They want you to get em with the Better than the PlayStation Portal allegations

[clever path]

At Odin 2 level you'd have enough performance for Vita, and the emulator itself would be the bottleneck, right?

[empty gust]

is there any updates to vita emu

[night dune]

I think the Odin 2 is still too good to consider replacing it by a slightly different design.

[livid spade]

I wouldn't call it replacing when the form factor is so small

Maybe like a companion device to it more so or for people who are sticklers for portability

[severe rivet]

Depends on the person really. Even if it's not pocketable.

[night dune]

I don't think it's different enough to work as a companion device when you already have an Odin 2.

[clever path]

I mean, it's not rocket science — a lot of people didn't like Odin 2 because of the size

If this has the same performance, then those people would consider it

[severe rivet]

I'd be shocked if this had the same performance. Comparable due to emulation software limitations? I can believe, but the same?

[ivory saddle]

If it's about the size of a new 3ds XL (seems that way?) Then it shouldn't be too problematic to put in a pocket. Unless your pockets are ridiculously small. Or you don't have pockets.

[tiny summit]

New 3DS XL vs. Vita

[severe rivet]

Sticks are more of a deal breaker for me at that size for pocketability than actual size. Small device with sticks can work, but medium with sticks feels super awkward in the pocket imo.

3DS XL works since when closed it's perfectly flat. Vita only kinda because the sticks are so small. Even then I didn't like putting the Vita in my pocket when I used it more often.

[strange snow]

if these are the sticks retroid and ayn have been using, and it seems they are, this is definitely not pocketable

[severe rivet]

Agreed

[tiny summit]

should've been sliders 😦

[wispy timber]

It is PPI wise, I just like that it's perfect integer scaling for most retro systems.

[tiny summit]

that was my thought actually

it's 2x 720p, 3x 480p, 4x 360p, etc

[severe rivet]

Though that case & grip that one dude makes does go a long way imo. They're still big in the pocket, but the sticks don't feel awkward or get caught in the pocket.

Though personally "true" pocketability is the domain of mini and micro handhelds like the Miyoo Mini, RG280V, GKD Pixel, etc.

[tiny summit]

GBM 😅

[severe rivet]

As in "toss it in a pocket and possibly forget it's even in there"

The Game Boy Micro is so ridiculously small man.

Like part of me can't get over how small the RG28XX is, but the GBM is even smaller lol.

[wispy timber]

10x 144p, 9x 160p, and so on. It's really good.

[tiny summit]

although I will say, the actual Vita was 544p

so 1088p would make sense 😂

[fleet iris]

May need to replace my rp4 pro if it has 1080p screen

I reckon the chipset will be better than rp4 pro

[severe rivet]

Can't wait for the flood of RP4 Pros and maybe even Odin 2s for sale looking to buy this one lol.

[fleet iris]

So far only play psp games so idk if it will be worth the upgrade

[fleet iris]

I doubt people will sell their Odin 2s for this

[tiny summit]

bruh if you only play psp games buy a psp 😂

why you spent $200 on a psp machine 😂

[fleet iris]

No because I play other games as well. A psp is near $200 rn as well

[tiny summit]

you're kidding

[fleet iris]

It’s better to have options

[severe rivet]

I can absolutely see the people that got the Odin 2 for its performance, but not too fond of its size selling it for a smaller unit.

[fleet iris]

Yes psp is like $170-$200

[shut spoke]

Where are you from

[fleet iris]

US

Not Japan

[shut spoke]

You can get a decent vita at that price

[fleet iris]

I meant vita sorry

[shut spoke]

PSP’s are like ~100$

[severe rivet]

Yeah, PSPs are more in the $100-$130ish range for a good quality one.

[fleet iris]

Well I already have rp4 pro and I have a psp somewhere in storage I’m just missing the battery

Lent it to someone and they stole it from me smh

Because they wanted to mod their psp

[severe rivet]

Which is why I think people should just try and get a T618 device instead of a used PSP

[fleet iris]

And it had something to do with battery

Also it’s nice to have upscaled resolutions on psp

But anyways hopefully the Odin 2 mini will be around $200 range and better chipset than rp4 pro

What chipset we thinking?

Snapdragon 8gen1?

[clever path]

Eh, there's a good case against using actual PSP for PSP games at this point. Screen quality, for one

[fleet iris]

I have one already i just need a battery replacement for it, it’s in Storage.

I think it’s gonna have snapdragon 8gen1 or 8+gen1

Maybe up to 12GB Ram?

[novel raft]

A Vita is a good enough replacement

[tiny summit]

I got my Vita this past December for $150

it's a pretty fantastic little machine tbh, but my biggest complaint is definitely how much the joysticks stick out

[dense kettle]

I got mine for 250€ 12 years ago

[fleet iris]

I can see buying a vita because it doesn’t emulate well

[dense kettle]

Recently took of the plastic protectors on the screen and back

And that shii looks new

[fleet iris]

But I play psp not vita, it’s good to have other options for around the same price as a vita and good with higher resolutions

[severe rivet]

tbf, that's more just due to software age than anything else at this point

[fleet iris]

Well progress seems slow so

It plays better on pc than android as well

[tiny summit]

yeah no doubt, I bought my vita mostly because of the OLED display. It's literally just the most portable handheld I know of with an OLED display.

[fleet iris]

At least i think it does

Snapdragon 8gen1 devices are still expensive but they were able to pull it off with 8gen2 on Odin 2

[tiny salmon]

Y700 wasnt that expensive till it went global. Paid about £200 in UK. SD+ Gen 1

[fleet iris]

I’m seeing 8gen1 devices for $700 still

[severe rivet]

Yeah, the 8gen2 on a $300 device is still nuts to me

[fleet iris]

Might be new price tho

Brand new price idk

[severe rivet]

There has to be like, barely any profit margin on the base model of Odin 2.

[tiny salmon]

Depends if they pay for recycled prices 😅

If these are from old phones from what some rumors have said

[fleet iris]

They could be giving percentage to chipmaker?

Idk if that’s possible

But idk see how Qualcomm would see that to be worth it

Pay for chip and give percentage of sale idk

[tiny salmon]

I remember GPD losing it back in the day saying that Ayn gets their chips from dodgy 3rd world recycle companies

Im sure not true though

[fleet iris]

Well it’s still a decently new chip so I don’t see that to be a bad thing if true

[tiny salmon]

😅 if it works and all that

[fleet iris]

November 2022 release date

Not even 2 years old

[tiny salmon]

I know that some tablet companies are only just putting 8 gen 2’s in their tabs now (Lenovo, Xiaomi etc) I think only samsung tends to put the latest chips out there in devices other than phones. Probs be a while before we see 8 gen 3 handhelds

[bitter axle]

If the screen was slightly bigger I'd be more interested

Just got a Pocket Air with the 5.5" screen and that's about my limit

[hazy arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-no-please-no-god-no-gif-5938426

[dusk ember]

yeah i used to be ONLY dpad top, and i still prefer PlayStation controllers
then i got my 405M
even though I mostly play dpad-heavy retro games and it took a while to adjust... it still works fine even for my kaizo gaming lol
what matters the most is how the dpad itself controls

cause mannnn i hate the xb1 and x360 dpads, not because of their position but because they just FEEL like shit for precision

[stoic socket]

If this is around the size of the RP4 and has the basic layout of the odin 2 its an instant buy from me. Would've been the RP4 if the left stick placement was different, so now I'm interested

Dunno size yet tho I just assumed from the name

[outer pilot]

if we roughly match

[stoic socket]

I've got my fingers crossed

[outer pilot]

it makes it 5"

so slightly larger screen and size than a RP4/P

[stoic socket]

I take it the size is a rough estimate?

[outer pilot]

yea

its based on dpad/analog scale

since they probably will use the same dpad/analog as the RP4P/Odin2

and when you compare the screens in terms of what at least the image showed as "screen"

it matches perfectly with a 5"

ofcourse all speculation until we get more info i suppose

[stoic socket]

I'm cautiously optimistic

[severe rivet]

Honestly, if I were interested in getting this, I'd be real annoyed with the Xbox face button layout lol.

But I'm not, so I'll let the people that actually want to have that button layout have it for once.

Yes, I'm the person that decides this, not Ayn

[stoic socket]

If people want the PS2 layout the RP4pro is an excellent choice

[outer pilot]

i do like how the bottom 4 buttons line up basically

[strange snow]

at least it's xbox layout and not nintendo layout

[outer pilot]

i honestly dont care either way lol

play enough of any of them and you basically memorize the button layout anyhow

[stoic socket]

Stick on top left is what matters most to me tbh

Once you reach ps2/GC emulation it just doesnt make sense to have it the other way

Plus i use the stick for most stuff anyway

[frail spoke]

not to dismiss the product itself

but it looks like a knockoff vita in really not flattering way lol

tbh i dont even think the vita looked that good in general, but it was pretty decent looking especailly bc of the matierals and that it felt low-keypremium

[broken stag]

i should get this so my win4 has a partner

[burnt knot]

"we have vitas at home"

[broken stag]

the vitas at home:

[night steppe]

And it’s twice the price

[burnt knot]

I just wish vita3k was more mature

[sage gazelle]

I dust off my pocket air once every couple months to test one game in vita3k, inevitably it's a 'nope' & back to the shelf

[burnt knot]

I been playing Gravity Rush and P4D on my end

I want P5D to work, not 4 bruh

[sage gazelle]

I just want gundam breaker 3, PS5 won't let you stream it & it doesn't run well on original Vita hardware even oc'd

Thinking this might be a decent replacement for the PAir, seems ayn's track record has improved since my last outing with them

[outer pilot]

I actually love the vita

And Sony did it dirty

That said if indeed this is 5" I get that people like smaller devices but I like my 6" Odin 2

My eyes also thank me

My RP3+ has basically become a "portables" emu device

[dense kettle]

All good brother

All good

[severe rivet]

I'm just surprised that many people want to use an emulation device with the Xbox layout.

[exotic cloud]

The only system that would really benefit from that layout is Dreamcast…

At that point just use your imagination

[burnt knot]

mostly cause the xbox layout is more universally supported

[outer pilot]

^

Realistically once you've played any of the layouts it just becomes muscle memory

[sage gazelle]

I don't care about legends, never look at them, never an issue, it's just 'this button does this in this game' in my mind

[burnt knot]

since xbox mode = xbox layout = recognized as an xbox controller = bunch of games just work

[sage gazelle]

That's fair for native games

[severe rivet]

People actually play mobile games on these things???

[burnt knot]

ngl I should start moving my stuff to xbox mode because sometimes odintools doesn't switch it back

and I'm just stuck in xbox mode

[outer pilot]

Maybe the community has a lot more lazy eye people than I thought where one eye is looking at the screen and the other at the actions buttons

[burnt knot]

my odin 2 has seen more honkai star rail than anything else

[severe rivet]

I have yet to play a gacha game

[sage gazelle]

Same with my PAir

[outer pilot]

Ive gone cold turkey on gacha

[sage gazelle]

I wanted to hate it, installed it just to benchmark buuut... It's actually pretty damn good if you ignore the gatcha mechanics

[dense kettle]

I’d say it depends on your library but if you play Sony android games and stream games on it Xbox is nice

[severe rivet]

The sheer amount of times I've heard that in my life...

[sage gazelle]

Maybe there's some truth to it then lol

[severe rivet]

I mean about gacha game in general lol

Not just Honkai

[burnt knot]

the o2 would see a LOT more genshin if it actually supported controllers

and now I'm just waiting for wuthering waves

[severe rivet]

Actually supported controllers on Android*

I've heard it supports controller on iphone

[burnt knot]

pisses me off that only ios and desktop supports it lol

[dense kettle]

Can’t believe only android doesn’t have it..

And on star rail you gotta boot the game without a controller, select it in the settings and restart the game

[burnt knot]

it's really good and I'm not giving them a single penny anymore

I gave them like cough 500 with genshin a few years ago, not anymore

[wary horizon]

I've just played so much Dreamcast and PC (controller) that that's what makes sense to me in a diamond formation at this point. I also don't play SNES/GB/Switch, so that layout doesn't benefit anything I play

[dense kettle]

Maybe kuro games recognizes Xbox controllers and enables them on first boot

[sage gazelle]

Oof, yet to spend a penny myself

[burnt knot]

yeeaaa I'm all good now

at the end of the day, the gacha enables them to have a massive budget I've been searching for similar games for a while now

"rpg with multiple characters that have varied movesets" -> Tales series
"open world action rpg with multiple characters with great combat and good movesets" -> ?? there's only games that specialize in one aspect

[burnt knot]

unsure tbh

the controller mode on HSR is literally just enabling the desktop mode

cause it then also works with mouse and KB and switches seamlessly like the desktop version

[dense kettle]

right

[burnt knot]

people did say it has controller support though so hope ™️

[exotic cloud]

That’s understandable… but in that case I’d prefer a more ambiguous layout like the PS style. Since I’m used to both the Japanese and western interpretations of the layout

[dense kettle]

Gott ask the people then

And the majority went with xbox

Let’s hope we don’t regret it

[wary horizon]

I'm all about the shapes, but for some reason these manufacturers are only interested in letters. 🤔

[exotic cloud]

I guess ABXY are symbols just like the PS ones

[shut spoke]

Just put blank buttons and charge like 20+$ for layout caps

[strange snow]

i really wish they started making more blank devices

[severe rivet]

I'm pretty sure Sony has the PS button combo trade marked?

Hence why we never actually see it on the handhelds themselves, only on aftermarket pieces.

[dense kettle]

Can’t go wrong with that

Might as well buy that from Sakura

[outer pilot]

I might just grab some for my Odin 2

In Xbox layout

I don't mind the switch layout though

I just hate the gamer font

[exotic cloud]

The pocket S has an “unmarked” version that they’re selling at an up charge

[dusk ember]

can i just say
why the fuck doesn't AYN just make different hardware models for dpad top and stick top

like what's wrong with just giving everyone options 😭

[dusk ember]

not just AYN but like
ALL these companies could do this, and i doubt it would be THAT difficult to do

[burnt knot]

there's only like one device that lets you do this

[queen rose]

[outer pilot]

reason: cost

[maiden acorn]

That would require manufacturing 2 different boards for the D-Pad and Left Joystick (one for each layout), 2 different shells for each layout, and relying on there being enough of an even split in people who prefer one or the other, so that they don’t waste money on manufacturing basically 2 versions of the exact same device, and having most of them go with waste.

[outer pilot]

and manufacturing complexity

[outer pilot]

yea

[still yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[charred spear]

Nah, you can make sub-boards and just re-arrange them. The only difference is the front plate

"most of them go to waste" -- it was interesting to see in the KTR1 statistics from polls or sales (I forgot which) that the distribution was almost perfectly 50/50%

[maiden acorn]

You realize those front plates need the screen pre-laminated to the shell right? Which makes the cost of manufacturing 2 different faceplates even more expensive? And yeah, sub boards are exactly what I’m talking about for making 2 different pcb’s for each layout, them making 2 entire motherboards for each layout would be even more stupid.

[still yarrow]

Let’s not use the ktr1 as a reference for good business practices

[dusk ember]

none of this is my problem
it's theirs

they can solve it
and it would make us happier

[maiden acorn]

And because it’s their problem, they do have the option to just say “fuck that noise”.

[coral spruce]

I love how this turned into a cats vs dogs kind of discussion

[charred spear]

I was just referencing some data, no idea why people are getting nervous

[maiden acorn]

I would also like it if they did those options, but I’m not going to pretend it doesn’t make sense why they would rather not do that.

[past ermine]

To be fair they did solve it by saying nah we good. You only get one option.

[charred spear]

All I'm saying is that whatever layout you do, about half of the people would have preferred the opposite.

[burnt knot]

I'd do stick top on ktr1 ngl since apparently the dpad is awful

[maiden acorn]

And half the people ended up regretting their choice due to the d-pad being terrible.

[charred spear]

It's not even related to the KTR1

Lol

[burnt knot]

yeah but it's flawed data

[maiden acorn]

That’s what you decided to use as a reference point.

So yes, it’s related.

[burnt knot]

you can't say it's 50/50 when one of the input methods on that console is just badly designed

so people end up choosing the other option

[charred spear]

Whatever, you can see how much debate there is about this topic on any moderately powerful handheld

[burnt knot]

like I do wish we'd seen more powerhouses that are dpad top

[strange snow]

the ktr1 also is a very middle of the road device with a very neutral design, so people could go both ways about it

[charred spear]

I conclude that the ratio is about 50/50% almost everywhere

[still yarrow]

Talk with your 💰

[strange snow]

i doubt 50% of people would want a dpad top odin 2 or stick top rp2s

[maiden acorn]

And I’d rather not see these devices be made a lot more expensive literally just because of the manufacturing costs it took to have that “either/or” option.

[burnt knot]

I'd rather get an offset dpad on the o2 tbh which the mini is getting

[winged cobalt]

They diluted their offering with a million SKUs of the Loki, look how that turned out for them

[burnt knot]

they killed half of em lmao

[winged cobalt]

Exactly

[burnt knot]

they acknowledged it was a bad decision too

[winged cobalt]

Option paralysis means people are less likely to buy anything

[still yarrow]

It’s fine to admit people will never be happy. You have lots of options anyways

[maiden acorn]

If I knew I would have to pay more than the $300 I already was planning to spend on the Odin 2, solely because they decided to put the work in making a “D-Pad on top” version as an option, that made manufacturing cost a lot more, I’d be legit pissed off.

[winged cobalt]

Like if you load 100000 games onto your handheld how often do you spend playing Vs scrolling the list

[burnt knot]

what I do want is ayn doing rubber membrane dpads

because I'm still not used to dome switch

[maiden acorn]

See that’s like the one thing I’d want as an option and believe is more likely, because at least they already do sub-boards for controls and it would cost a lot less to make membranes for dome switches than getting a second plastic mold for just a different layout.
Like honestly I love tactile buttons, so I’d love if they had an option for clicky face buttons, as well as an option for rubber membrane D-Pads for users who prefer that.

[supple turret]

I think retroid did that for the rp3+ idr

they sold the pieces

[burnt knot]

iirc that was for the face buttons

[supple turret]

ah ok

[maiden acorn]

It’s because the original RP3 had all the buttons as tactile, and the RP3+ had rubber membrane for the face buttons, but enough people preferred the tactile face buttons that they did that as an extra option.

[outer pilot]

i kinda wish i would have tried to get the kit for the domes but eh

by the time i got the RP3+ they already quit selling the kit

[livid spade]

I wish I could still get a dome switch kit

[dense kettle]

yes truly a mini and not a lite

[hazy arrow]

Will it support the Odin 2 dock? 🤔

[glass holly]

Seems interesting, might buy if they release with a grip case

[timber drum]

If they do video out through the usbc port I don’t see why. It’s thinner

[dense kettle]

I asked that same question will ping u if I get a response

[timber drum]

8gen2 in a smaller package is killer

[dense kettle]

Should work with the dock apparently

[restive ibex]

people thinking this is gonna be $250 lmao

[magic geyser]

we can dream

[tiny summit]

bigger than vita by 16mm length, 2.25mm height, and 0.9mm thickness

[timber drum]

It was already Odin 2 vs rp4pro and the rp4 pro had the size. If this is prized appropriately it might be great.

[dense kettle]

If mini looks like it’s worth the price, I’m paying it

[wary horizon]

Guessing this is for the 1k Vita not the 2k/Slim, right?

[timber drum]

Im skipping it for sure. The Odin 2 pro is all I need and I enjoy the size

[tiny summit]

correct

[restive ibex]

shit, 1.5cm wider?

thats insanely good

[tiny summit]

yeah Vita is 182mm x 83.55mm x 18.6mm

the original Vita with the OLED screen

[timber drum]

Curb your expectations on the price.

[bold tide]

Yeah I was expecting that

[timber drum]

Sale info being announced tomorrow

[dense kettle]

Yeah we’ll see then

[bold tide]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-well-see-clarence-thomas-saturday-night-live-we-shall-see-its-to-be-determined-gif-25522836

[magic geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-approve-good-great-excellent-gif-1565797816594626263

[near ruin]

Is there really a huge market of people who held off on an Odin 2 until it had a miniled screen, was less ergonomic, had less battery life and was more expensive?

[tiny summit]

I mean I have zero interest in a handheld as big as the odin 2 personally

small + good screen is literally my niche lmao

[near ruin]

I don't see a practical difference between these sizes once you get this big

It's not like you're pocketing this

[timber drum]

There’s no indication that this is more expensive than the Odin 2. Just more than the $200 or $250 some folks are saying

Probably comparable to the base Odin 2

[stoic solstice]

they said it there miniled is more expensive

[timber drum]

More expensive than $200. Not more expensive than the Odin 2

It was in response to price speculation

[near ruin]

Than $250 to be exact

Could just be the same prices I guess

[timber drum]

Exactly.

[wide cargo]

I think some people's mental image of the odin 2 is way bigger than the real device

it's barely bigger than my RG arc

[near ruin]

Though it certainly feels bigger because of the screen difference

[dense kettle]

Nah you’re arc is just big af

[stoic solstice]

odin 2 is 225mm x 98mm 17mm by their own spec

[near ruin]

This is thicker then?

That's surprising

[bold tide]

Thock

[stoic solstice]

mini is 198mm x 85.8mm x 19.5mm

[wide cargo]

I'm pretty sure the odin 2 thickness measurement is in the middle and does not count grips or triggers

[wary horizon]

I bet that's the thickness from the middle

[near ruin]

That makes sense

[wide cargo]

I cannot imagine the odin 2 is thinner at its thickest point than this

but yeah at least for my uses this is still a big (ie: needs a sling bag) device.

[outer pilot]

@burnt knot so now that we know what we know with the odin 2 mini.... how do you feel about it 😛

[burnt knot]

idk

[stoic solstice]

trimui smart pro 188mm x 80mm x 17mm

[wide cargo]

then again maybe I'm wrong and the sticks are recessed enough that I'd actually pocket this

[burnt knot]

fml lmfao

[wary horizon]

O2 weighing over 400g was a big turn off for me, that's encroaching on handheld PC territory. It's also a bit bigger than I'd like, but the main sticking point was the weight. Also a sucker for that Vita shape

Still not gonna buy it because d-pad position tho

[near ruin]

I actually think it'll feel lighter than this in your hands

[wide cargo]

though for some reason the pockets on my new work pants are tiny enough that a 28xx already feels like a little bulky in them, while my jeans I can pocket an rgb10max3pro lmao

[outer pilot]

not a competitor

[near ruin]

Because of the weight distribution and grips

[near ruin]

Lol why did they even say that

[wide cargo]

no clue

sounds like they meant "not an upgrade"

so you won't regret your O2 purchase

[burnt knot]

because it's not "the next big thing" if you have an o2

[outer pilot]

im still okay with it

[wide cargo]

but yeah if you don't own either it's very much a competitor, in that there is no way you're buying both lmao

[burnt knot]

I want it

[near ruin]

I guess so, competitor in my minds is just something comparable in the same price tier

[burnt knot]

but the price

the price is gonna be horrible

[stoic solstice]

I think I'll pass on this unless it is $250, or if I can ask for a review unit

[wary horizon]

I assumed pretty much immediately that what they actually meant was "it doesn't make your O2 obsolete"

[outer pilot]

it defo doesnt

[near ruin]

I didn't realize that. Doesn't really matter, no inclination to get this over my O2, just not how I read it

[outer pilot]

the only thing this has a benefit over is size of the device and miniled screen

[wary horizon]

I assumed they mispoke because I'm a dick, there's no reason to make the assumption I did tbf

[outer pilot]

and weight though i thought the odin 2 as it was for its size was light enough lol

[near ruin]

That's those grips helping out

Distributes the weight really well

[outer pilot]

outside of that...

still feel like the odin 2 wins for me lol

no ragerets

[wide cargo]

the o2 when I first got it was smaller than I was expecting I guess compared to like a steam deck

[near ruin]

Agree, it feels very unexciting to me, but I'm sure some people will love it

[wide cargo]

but then it was kinda dense (about the weight I was expecting but in a smaller package)

[outer pilot]

i have a vita and RP3+ and can say that for the power the odin 2 has id rather the 6" size for 6th gen gaming+

[spiral mountain]

Thinking this will be around $329 early bird and 350 regular for the 8GB, I guess we’ll see tomorrow

[outer pilot]

im more interested in how the battery life is with the 5000mah battery

[spiral mountain]

It’ll be totally fine

[near ruin]

O2 battery life is nearly excessive

This'll be good too

[spiral mountain]

for reference I have an sd 8 gen 1 + phone which is less efficient with the same battery capacity (and a more power hungry 144hz screen) and my battery life is very good. this will only be better with the sd8gen2 being more efficient along with the fact that it will likely have no cellular 5g radio

I get around 5 hours of playtime on yuzu with said phone

[outer pilot]

true but i appreciate that excessivness

lol

i dont think theres ever been a point where ive thought "huh wonder how much battery life is left" lol

[fervent elm]

If they can pull off ~279 early bird for 8gb, I'll be on this like shit on velcro

[outer pilot]

i dont remember shit sticking to velcro well....

but i have heard the phrase "like stink on shit"

[spiral mountain]

shit would get pretty damn stuck in on velcro though, imagine cleaning that out

[spiral mountain]

same here! if there aren’t any weird caveats to the device this will definitely be my main machine moving forward. the 5” vita screen has always been my sweet spot for largest pocketable screen that displays 4:3 and 16:9 content large enough

for reference

[outer pilot]

oh for sure vita has been my largest "pocketable" device

which is why i liked my RP3+ as well

that said ill be interested in seeing reviews of this thing

[frail spoke]

Im actually a bit disappointed this using 8gen2

This chip is so overkill for Android emulation lol

I tried some games on a snapdragon 778+ on ps2 and dolphin and got fantastic results

[fervent elm]

Hey if the price is right, I ain't complaining. This thing becomes a pocketable Switch with superior software

[frail spoke]

If

[jolly berry]

so no confirmation about the price yet, right?

[fervent elm]

Any lower a chip and they'd hurt Retroid sales

[stoic solstice]

they said they would tell us tomorrow

[spiral mountain]

is it though? I feel like 4 inches 4:3 looks great for ps2/wii, and the sd8gen2 will handle 3x upscaling the majority of those libraries without trouble - I think it makes sense for the 1080p screen and battery size (more efficiency on this chip)

[frail spoke]

Why jade

[wispy timber]

@near ruin because some people who recently bought the O2 were getting salty, and others were holding off on buying one

[near ruin]

Which they shouldn't have said then, because if people were about to buy the O2 they might have preferred this

[fervent elm]

249 - 279 would be S tier but I might be dreamin

[frail spoke]

4x needed to check

[jolly berry]

Yeah, I've got a Trimui Smart Pro and I'm pretty happy with the 4:3 content size on it. I'm quite interested in the Odin 2 Mini, depending on the price

[wispy timber]

Yeah some recent buyers were already saying they'd be returning their O2s. It was a bit short sighted and I think the slow trickle of information is dumb, personally.

[frail spoke]

I'll also say this is the first device I see with this small of.minileds, will be interesting to see

But tbh even regardless of it's dimming zones it's just indication it will be really good LCD

Like companies don't really make cheap minileds rn, and the color gamut also indicate it's going to be peak

[spiral mountain]

agreed, it’ll be diminishing returns regarding the dimming zones no doubt considering the screen size. A quality LED panel at this size with a good contrast ratio is pretty close to an OLED visually, my Legion Go and Steam Deck OLED are really not far apart and I consider myself to be pretty picky when it comes to screen quality

[fervent elm]

I kind of think I'm sold regardless of price, as long as it comes in well under the Pocket S

[frail spoke]

i mean im not too big with miniled or oled on handhelds, and i had like.. i think 6-7 miniled/oled monitors and TVs since 2021? and the more time i spent with them the more i realize how it matters less and less

the reality of it, most games dont go tooard on contrast to not hurt player visablity too much, so its kinda irrlevant for 90% of the time

hot take but if you are honest with yourself you'll learn its true with time, its a lot of exctiment but you will get more "oled blacks" in menus rather than actual gameplay

[spiral mountain]

I tend to agree, at least depending on the content. For cinematic AAA experiences then OLED really does provide that wow factor, especially when you’re playing in scenes that play with light and darkness a lot - as well as with 4:3 letterboxing so as not to distract, but you sort of get desensitized to the OLED contrast effect for most other games. A quality LCD/LED panel can make this gap feel insignificant

[frail spoke]

It varies with the games, if you ply resdient evil or heck even half life 2, yeah those game have very deep contrast

but i still pretty firm that most game just dont tend to have too much of contrast-y scenes bc it just makes playability worse

and we didnt even address the prevlant issues of raised blacks in so many AAA Games to this day.

Starfield, lies of Pi, Cyberpunk 2077, just off the top of my head. they donth even have zero nits blacks in hDR yet people dont care lol

[dense kettle]

I feel like this was actually way worse

[spiral mountain]

very true, especially color banding in some dark scenes or bitrate artifacts, it totally diminishes the whole experience

[frail spoke]

i would actually argue you to also think about nights in videos games. how many times the night is actually pure black and not justgreyish?

Halo infinte too is very well known for having very bright night sky

[spiral mountain]

Yeah I definitely agree, I don’t think many games have been designed for OLED panels in mind yet - I doubt many studios are using OLEDs with their devkits, likely IPS LCD for their color accuracy and cost effectiveness

[frail spoke]

retro gaming is in a weird spot in this, i feel like some early games tended to have striking contrast, like 8-16bit, some PS1 games. but 3d games?

[spiral mountain]

I mean heck we just got 27” OLED pc monitors this year right?

[frail spoke]

yeah the lighting engine is just not sophisticated enough for it. like when i played god of war 1-2 and the PSP games, i dont think i really benefited from having both oled handheld and TV.. at all? im pretty confident in saying this bc god of war 3 it actually started to be quite noticeable

[spiral mountain]

yeah I find myself enjoying NES/SNES content and ps1 most with my oled devices with regards to retro games

but ps2 for example has some pretty poor color depth for most games

[frail spoke]

my tldr is, theres a lot of exaggeration with the importance of OLED right now. Contrast is important but i really think if somone will look at how many scenes in an average game they play will be night and day differnce with OLED or miniLED? im gonna assume that the vast majority of times not much.

so i would personally just not put all my eggs in chasing those perfect screens. Its a nice bonus for sure, dont get me wrong about it at all

but i will see with miniLED specifially

you take a lot of thev venom out of it without HDR

i actually really like MiniLED and i had about 3 miniLED monitors so far and they managed to make some really good impressions in certain conditions, jsut different ones than OLEDs, but it was usually bc they could really make stuff like explosions shine, or the city in cyberpunk 2077 looked fantastic

their brightness is really aweome thing that can blow your away sometimes. but without HDR idk man

you are gimping it hard

[spiral mountain]

I think sRGB coverage is the most impactful aspect of a screen when it comes to visuals, as well as color temperature of the panel (assuming it reaches an adequate brightness - 350ish being the minimum acceptable to me)

[bold tide]

I assume the biggest benefit to oled for this scene is for people who actually care about integer scaling and are annoyed by “black” bars

[spiral mountain]

for myself I think the switch lite panel is the lowest acceptable sRGB, the original steam deck was terrible with this and I could never not notice how poor it looked (plus that awful original cool color temperature)

[spiral mountain]

yup that’s where my head is at as well when it comes to OLED and retro content

[bold tide]

Otherwise, at the size these devices are at, I think the current screens are pretty good. But I don’t really care for integer scaling

Didn’t even know it was a thing until I started talking in these discords and even then have yet to use it

[frail spoke]

no doubt theres benefits about oled dont get me wrong its important part of image quality at the end of the day, i just personally think that people tend to judge bad/mid LCDs vs good OLEDs so they dont realize how much stuff like color gamuet and color volume (which are most responsible for the vividness you see in colors) contribute to the image, if that makes sense.

and its not just about the contrast

[spiral mountain]

honestly the 1080p on this panel is also overkill but hey i’m not complaining!

not like ayn would have a choice in that anyways so there are no cost savings to be made to the consumer

[frail spoke]

im quite conflicted on getting this one or not.. i might do it but im thinking maybe wait for uhhhhh

idk what can come out that will be better ngl 💀

[spiral mountain]

damn 440 PPI is what this 5” 1080p panel will come out to

[frail spoke]

the only thing that can get better is switch emulation but even that will be cope and im so tired of the switch as is 😭 i had it since day one, literally, launch day, i played all the games i want already some of them multiple times.

[bold tide]

A top dpad version might convince me since I’ve held off of the Odin 2 for its size but I much prefer top dpad

[spiral mountain]

for reference the vita is 221ppi and that was a really sharp panel at its native resolution

[frail spoke]

its the libraries of the older consoles i want to explore now so yeah i dont think theres really much to go here from the 8 gen 2

well actually im sure there isnt lol

let me see how much upscaling i can get on my redmagic 8 pro with super mario galaxy

[spiral mountain]

haha curious to see at what point you get cpu bound vs gpu bound

[bold tide]

I switched back to PlayStation controllers after using Xbox for however many years because of the left joystick. Something about the left joystick being on top just doesn’t vibe with me

[spiral mountain]

the adreno chip in the sd 8 gen 2 is a monster

[spiral mountain]

I feel this

[frail spoke]

yeah theres no improvement to be had from further chips tbh its all cope at this point lol

[spiral mountain]

playstation has the best thumbstick layout bar none

[frail spoke]

like beyond the 8 gen 2 you are just getting into "a difference to show a difference"

we would need to wait for windows emlation for it to start matter

[spiral mountain]

right, no software on android takes advantage of what these snapdragon chips are able to do (gpu wise at least)

[frail spoke]

and its not even the gen 2 im pretty sure gen 1 will be just as good for emulation LOL, or the 888

[bold tide]

I’m either waiting for the retroid pocket 5 or ayn to release a top dpad alternative version since they’re showing they’re fine reusing the chip from the 2

[spiral mountain]

now if the iOS ports of death stranding and re8 come over, then we can start talking about pushing the chip

[frail spoke]

yeah i mean but it slike, for reteo emulation you really cant improve 😭

like what are oyu gonna do?

[shut spoke]

The 888 is a heat machine

[bold tide]

Are they supposed to/announced to? Or just hoping that happens?

[spiral mountain]

I can see the top joystick placement being an issue for many

[frail spoke]

upscale god of war 2 (which is pretty tough to run thats why i used it as an example,i cant run it at 1.5x on the anbernic rg556, think that it runs at 4x on my phone which is crazy) to 6x?

😭

its just cope you are gaining almost nothing at least you are trying to look for a difference with a microscope with the image being slightly better

[spiral mountain]

haven’t heard anything about this but I imagine if they sold well they may start playing in the android space!

[bold tide]

Whatever will I do if I can’t upscale to at least 6.37x

[spiral mountain]

I mean capcom is notorious for putting their game on any platform and trying anything and seeing where the money sticks, if RE8 sold well on iOS (not sure if it did or didn’t) i’d imagine they’d port it

[spiral mountain]

that it is, Samsung manufactured chips are terrible haha

[olive thicket]

I really hope this screen has no ghosting and a fast response time

[bold tide]

It’s wild to me that this device isn’t top dpad since it’s a vita clone 😔

[outer pilot]

lol capcom

[frail spoke]

yeahh im just saying

we already cracked the code on how to run emulators well 😭

on android

like hardwrae wise

sorry its late im not sure what im writign anymore 💀

the funny thing is that we are switching to much faster core with oryon soon

[spiral mountain]

it’s a fair point, i’d prefer it to duplicate the vita if they actually got it right. the vitas aren’t really low sticks they kind of sit in the middle just like a dualshock controller and feel natural, but the low sticks on the rp3 and rp4 feel terrible to me

[frail spoke]

and things are already ovekill with the last gen chip, and the next chip is supposed to be the biggest jump in a long time

so

[bold tide]

Yeah the sticks on the rp’s being low is what kept me from getting the 4

[shut spoke]

All that and what progress

[bold tide]

But ayn refuses to do top dpad apparently so I might give in next device

[frail spoke]

wdym

[bold tide]

But that’s why I liked the rp flip and it having one screen

[spiral mountain]

I imagine this has to do with avoiding encroaching on Retroids space?

[bold tide]

It allowed them to inset the sliders so it wasn’t awkward

Yeah aren’t they both owned by moorechip or something like that

[spiral mountain]

the flips stick and button layout is sick, it’s very comfortable

[bold tide]

Or “have ties to them in some capacity”

[spiral mountain]

I believe it’s something like that, same holding company

[shut spoke]

I mean it won’t make any difference on the emulation side

[frail spoke]

dw it will make a differene when we get the first arm handheld pcs 🔥

[bold tide]

I always forget they have ties

[spiral mountain]

at this point the biggest thing holding emulation back on high end emulation is less of the chips and more of the driver support, as well as the emulator development of course

[frail spoke]

i honestly feel like we are at the point where chips will catch up faster than software support, at least to the 200$ price point

[spiral mountain]

AFAIK in many cases an sd865 can outperform an sd 8 gen 3 in some emulation cases due to driver support

[frail spoke]

meaning we will just brute force stuff

the big problem is mali gpus ngl

their drivers "suck" in comparsion

[bold tide]

I mean aren’t we already starting to brute force things

[frail spoke]

and a lot of the low-end and mid tier devices can use mediatek

but then you are screwing yourself with drivers so :c

[spiral mountain]

yeah very true

most of these mediatek chips can do so much more if it wasn’t for poor mali support

[frail spoke]

its honestlyt pity bc their chips are getting really good nowadays theres no doubt MTK got plenty of chips that at least on paper will be Great for emulation

[spiral mountain]

in theory the rp4+ should smoke most switch emulation which it doesn’t of course

[shut spoke]

Mediatek is a no no for any open source work

[crystal knot]

they are trickling out details of this device a lot faster than I was expecting

thought they were gonna do the month long tease like they always did lol

[spiral mountain]

apparently mediatek is gearing up to release a snapdragon 8 gen 4 competitor? really interested to hear how that turns out lol

[dense kettle]

Gotta be fast enough for people to cancel their pocket s pre orders 🤔

[spiral mountain]

I mean it wasn’t long ago when AMD was complete garbage in comparison to Intel

[crystal knot]

joke's on them, some peeps ended up cancelling odin 2 orders lol

[dense kettle]

Good for them

Good for us that we have options

[crystal knot]

but I'm still feeling "meh" about this release overall

[spiral mountain]

i’d imagine the odin 2 mini will end up being a higher margin product for them

[dense kettle]

By pushing people towards the regular Odin 2? Yeah maybe

[spiral mountain]

haha I meant from those switching from odin 2 orders to minis, I guess we’ll see how the pricing shapes up.

[shut spoke]

They should drop the prices for the Odin 1/Pro too now

[spiral mountain]

honestly i’m surprised they are still in production (or is it leftover stock?)

[shut spoke]

Maybe leftover

And still going for 200$

[spiral mountain]

yikes

ayn take that leftover odin lite d900 stock and throw it in a 4” 4:3 and you have a new market lol

or a 3:2, ktr-odin

on a more fun topic, what color schemes is everyone hoping to see?

[dawn yarrow]

Arc is bigger than the 556

Is this going to be at the ayn website or more IGG bull?

[true flare]

Ah fuck sake

[half ibex]

Android games are better on Xbox

It opened to that so I saw a couple others mention it now too lol

Personally oh yeah give me Xbox layout

Just more universal

Nintendo layout is kind of stupid lol

[dawn yarrow]

Are people still looking at buttons to play games?

The whole Xbox vs Nintendo is a silly agreement

[half ibex]

An android game or if your streaming, like dead cells or lil gator, can show you physically what button to press

If that’s Nintendo that visual is just wrong

[dawn yarrow]

So people still look at buttons?

[half ibex]

People don’t do what you do? Whaaaaatttttttt

God dam clean up over here my mind is blaoooowww blown

[dawn yarrow]

Just pointing out how silly one button layout vs the other is.

[half ibex]

I get it if you play games enough

I never have to look down

But that doesn’t mean that applies to everyone. Xbox is universal so it is genuinely just better

Although I’ll give you

If you literally just emulate Nintendo then that makes a case

[dawn yarrow]

Untill you want to play one the 100 thousand Nintendo games

[sage gazelle]

No legends, everyone wins

[dawn yarrow]

Blanks buttons

[half ibex]

I’d agree with blank buttons but Xbox layout

[sage gazelle]

Switchable in software as always

[half ibex]

I’d say that would actually be best

[sage gazelle]

Yah

[half ibex]

Oh sure

[sage gazelle]

Damn.. this is sooo close to my ideal device

But AYN.. & asym...

[half ibex]

Any price yet?

[stone vector]

Got bored

[half ibex]

Actually nvm, oled and they woulda got me. But this is an exciting device

It would be really funny if the gen 2 is like powkiddys 3566 for ayn

Just in a different league

[wide cargo]

only if that means we get a bunch of whacky form factors

s8g2 #1192173978530361365 but from ayn wen

[tiny summit]

hot tbh

[sage gazelle]

You have summoned the 🌭

Dunno what you'd even do with an 8g2 tbh lol

[tiny summit]

what on earth

[wide cargo]

high end pinball sims lol

real talk I think a hotdog handheld clone with a t610 or something would be plenty, just need enough beef for NDS, tate cabs, and some android pinball games lol

[sage gazelle]

That'd be so clutch, really need a cheap, decently powerful mass-produced 3:4 device already (with an rg arc d-pad ON TOP )

Preferably 4"

I'm kinda hopeful tbh

The weird shit seems to be selling well

[wide cargo]

rg arc dpad, no sticks, abxy, h700 3:4 handheld (preferably 4" since we're not gonna be that pocketable anyway) as a cheap tate cab handheld would be cool - as soon as you go up in price from the XX line I'd want a touchscreen for NDS (and therefore probably android)

I think NDS is probably what would make it have a broader audience than just shmups/pacman lol

[sage gazelle]

I'd be perfectly content with that but wouldn't say no to more power for some of the more intensive cave shmups. Yah a cheap DS machine like that would definitely put asses in the seats.

Give it some grips like this & man would that be perfect, this thing is deceptively super comfy

(🌭 is smaller than it looks in pictures too, it's 2ds sized but thicker)

Where the hell did AYN find a 5" miniled display is my question tho, are there any other devices using one?

[past ermine]

No clue but welp my wish came true

This is the device I been wanted

Now to wait for release and hopefully good reviews before I get it T.T

[past ermine]

Welp

Then again makes sense

Smaller device I imagine isn't as easy to cramp stuff into it

[fervent elm]

8:4 screen when?

If it drives down the Odin 2 price, I guess I'll go that route

[mint cipher]

$339 for base model, $399 for pro model

[fervent elm]

Oh shit!

Looks like I gotta just wait on used Odin 2 prices to come down then...

[unique notch]

free bag!

and a screen protector to crunch on during setup

just noticed they're not using that weird stencil font for ABXY on this

thank goodness

[mint cipher]

Bit pricey. Double Rp4P for the pro version

Base is the one to get if you get it

[fervent elm]

Really? It looks like they are from that photo

[unique notch]

i don't see any missing bits from the letters there

compare the Y on the model to the Y in the AYN logo

[fervent elm]

Time will tell

[fervent elm]

Yea $60 for 50% more RAM doesn't struck me as a good value

And MicroSD cards are DIRT cheap these days

[queen rose]

Hm. Pass. If I have that much performance at that price I want a larger screen.

[mint cipher]

Would be worth if the ram did something but it doesn’t

Even on O2, base seems pretty good for most of what android can do at the moment

[fervent elm]

Looks like I'm heading to Marketplace to find O2 base or O2 Pro peeps looking for the smaller Mini

[past ermine]

Definitely seems like the color tax

[past ermine]

I might be looking to swap tbh so you wouldn't have to look long

[stoic solstice]

in China there is a $20 usd preorder discount on these prices

[fervent elm]

Dang. $319 would probably be a go for me but 339 is just too rich

[fervent elm]

Let's chat in DMs if it comes to that.

[sage gazelle]

Was O2 free shipping during the crowdfunding stage?

[supple turret]

don't think so

[sage gazelle]

Yaaah, if the only option is $40 like the Odin lite then.. it's more like $380 base anyway

[stoic solstice]

https://x.com/forthenextlive/status/1790993815140286674

forthenext (@forthenextlive) on X

Odin2 Mini colours.

Twitter · May 16, 2024, 6:32 AM

[tiny summit]

OMG A WHITE ONE 😍

[stoic solstice]

white is 399 only remember

[sage gazelle]

And it'll be yellow in 6 months

[winged cobalt]

Is there much point in this Vs rp4p?

[sage gazelle]

Yes

[winged cobalt]

Apart the 'new cool toy' feeling

[sage gazelle]

It's way more performant

[winged cobalt]

But for the screen size rp4p is already serviceable to the max of what's available on android

[sage gazelle]

Much better screen at a higher resolution with the power to actually push the pixels

[stoic solstice]

the response of the rp4p screen is the problem

makes everything look smeared

[winged cobalt]

That's actually true

[novel raft]

So having an O2 already this one doesn't make much sense?

[sage gazelle]

Not unless you want something smaller with a better screen at the cost of battery life

[winged cobalt]

Though this is obviously better than rp4p, it is more a luxury , I still believe you get a way better deal with the money for rp4p

[fervent elm]

Oof, if these prices don't include shipping then it's dead in the water for me

[night dune]

I always thought that the Odin 2 screen is pretty good. Guess there's no reason for me to get a mini.

[tiny salmon]

Personal opinion, but i only see the base being the one to go for. If i wanted that much ram to play things like switch, i would probs want bigger screen on Odin 2. I’d be happy with up to gamecube/ps2 with base.

[lament zenith]

do we know the specs yet?

[tiny salmon]

But i have an odin 2 max. So do i really need it

[lament zenith]

is it gonna be 8 gen 2 again?

[tiny salmon]

White only for pro

[lament zenith]

ps vita with xbox sticks feels so wrong

[thorny violet]

wow, the white one is stunning but I can't see myself justifying the extra price for it

[tiny salmon]

I would only go for pro if they offer the prior loki/odin discounts again

[thorny violet]

although I prefer the black bezels

[tiny salmon]

But i could see the base replacing my rp4 pro

[lament zenith]

its pretty standard price differences for phones ngl

128gb more storage 4 gb more ram 60 bucks

[thorny violet]

I guess it makes sense if you look at it that way

personally I don't think I really need the extra ram and storage

[lament zenith]

if you're doing switch emulation its really nice

just for everything else its not really needed tho

[thorny violet]

oh I see. How good is switch emulation on this chipset in general?

[tiny salmon]

https://youtu.be/8T7smkAG4zA?si=aeJL-MOAab1a-wzj

Going to be same as this but smaller 😅

But the landscape is a bit different now since most switch apps are getting shut down

To be honest im fine with base, if i want to play switch portably i will just whip out my lite. Ram will defiantly be needed if doing windows emulation though

[severe rivet]

RAM is also nice for hd texture packs

[tiny salmon]

But will it be that noticeable on a smaller screen?

Probs yes still. But i dunno.

[severe rivet]

A five inch screen is still big enough to see the quality difference a lot of these texture packs do lol

[tiny summit]

sharper 😍

[tiny salmon]

Fair enough 😅

https://tenor.com/view/mike-smith-trailer-park-boys-bubbles-glasses-blink-gif-5292047

[thorny violet]

wow, I didn't know how many switch games are actually playable on Android. I also have a lite but I don't like the d-pad at all, it's soft and nice feeling but not very precise, so the Idea of playing some switch games on a vita-like device seems pretty enticing

[broken stag]

someone needs to fix the title, its Odin2 not Odin 2

[tiny salmon]

Dpad isnt great i admit. But i’m planning to bag an oled screen mod when they become available. I think once i have that installed. It will become my portable switch machine.

Will be annoying carrying 2 devices but hey 🤷🏻‍♂️

[thorny violet]

to be fair it's serviceable, I guess I'm just being kinda picky 😅 I do like the switch lite nonetheless haha

[charred spear]

Price seems OK for what you get. I guess most people just don't need all of that hardware in that form factor

[languid steeple]

It is slightly bigger than a ps vita 1K

don't know do I need this to replace my rp4p

[tiny salmon]

If you dont have odin 2 or rp4 pro yet. Then this is for you. Best of both worlds

[charred spear]

I wish it were a little bit smaller

[tiny salmon]

But if you have both the odin 2 and rp4 pro like me. Not as enticing

[charred spear]

It's too close to bigger devices for me

[tiny salmon]

Yeah. I need to see this in Russ’ pockets first 😂😂😂

[charred spear]

For me, a device doesn't even need to fit in a pocket. But when packing for a trip, the size will still matter.

I never carry a retro gaming handheld in my pocket anyway

[languid steeple]

yeah, actually it is quite fit into my situation as I think odin2 is too large and heavy for me
and rp4p is not powerful enough on some heavy switch game

[dull bloom]

Yikes $339 is not very enticing. I would love a smaller version of the O2, but I got my base model for $260 as an early bird.

[tiny salmon]

Hoping they do early bird or prior odin purchase discounts again.

[strange snow]

i wish i could grab this and see the ergo

it could replace the odin 2 just for that

[lament zenith]

since its vita sized

pocketable switch :)

[strange snow]

ayn sticks -> not pocketable

[lament zenith]

they look more recessed than the odin 2

but yeah maybe a bit too big

[strange snow]

they do look a bit more recessed, but they're still tall

[lament zenith]

and the triggers too I guess

its cargo pants pocketable

or busy with something else pocketable

not for all day but if you were gaming while waiting for water to boil or something like that you can throw it in your pocket

[strange snow]

it's really neat but i think i'll stay with the infinite battery life of the o2

[snow portal]

It's switch lite sized. So technically that's also pocketable switch 😄

[lament zenith]

I feel like that little bit of length, and the sticks (especially with how delicate damn joycon sticks are) makes the lite not pocketable
but yeah seems like the odin 2 mini defo has the sticks problem with them a bit too big

[strange snow]

yeah this is really tiny for the power

[lament zenith]

hella impressive

[snow portal]

The switch lite is only 10mm longer than the O2 mini.

[lament zenith]

this is definitely the way ayn should've gone with their next console after the odin 2

[snow portal]

208mm vs 198mm

[strange snow]

yeah it's probably not that comparable to the ps vita

seeing it has bezels and bigger controls

it's probably in a middle point between ps vita and switch lite

[lament zenith]

true

I'm so glad ayn waited until they had price tags, specs, and real images before announcing this thing

[strange snow]

yeah the odin 2 was teased for so long

seems they're getting better at actually launching stuff that they can ship

[lament zenith]

instead of the ayaneo pocket s and odin 2 where we either still don't know the price or the tease was so damn long

oh wait they did announce the price for the pocket s, my fault (god damn up to 630 for an android portable, hell nah)

[snow portal]

Vita is 182mm
O2 mini 198mm
Switch lite 208mm
Pocket S 214mm

So lots of flat boi options now 😄

[snow portal]

The 12gb pocket S is literally the same price as the 12gb O2 mini.

[lament zenith]

I'm talking about the 1tb 512gb
400 base price is fine for what it is

oh and its some special edition for 630, I didn't read the igg listing enough lol

[tiny salmon]

Ooo good point. I wont like it if my thumbs hit sides :/ yikes.

[snow portal]

Yeah, you pay a lot for the memory/super high screen res at the higher SKU's

It's like any release really, lower SKU's are the best value, higher SKU's are for fomo people who want to "future proof"....and then buy the next big shiny thing a few months later anyway.

[lament zenith]

looks like they're only selling the 1080p versions for 400-560

no 1440p prices listed unless there's something else I'm not seeing

[snow portal]

They sold out of the 1440p

[lament zenith]

ah people were excited excited

[snow portal]

That one will probably be "limited run" to be honest. It's a lot for a screen res that won't add much, unless you really love integer scaling.

[lament zenith]

how much was it?

[snow portal]

I don't think they ever did the IGG price though, let alone retail.

To be honest, my brain just looks at all those and thinks, for Android? Too much.

[lament zenith]

god damn yeah

for 800 thats a high end windows handheld or mid range laptop

or a damn ipad

[strange snow]

or 2 decks

[lament zenith]

all that just to emulate the same stuff an odin 2 can... yikes

[snow portal]

I mean, if we are doing x86 vs arm comparisons, a next lite at $300 will out do any of these arm devices in performance.

[lament zenith]

not in switch does it?

[snow portal]

Easily. X86 Yuzu is way better.

You always pay more for battery life/size/weight with the expensive ARM things.

Which is fine, if that's important to you. Legion Go is my main device, so....uhh....it's not my priority

[lament zenith]

yeah but if thats the case what are you paying for with an ayaneo pocket s

[strange snow]

slimness

i think the odin 2 mini is gonna destroy the ayaneo in sales

[lament zenith]

I don't doubt some people with more money than sense will love their pocket s

[snow portal]

The higher SKU's of the Pocket S? Not a lot.

The play with the O2/O2 mini/pocket S is all just sticking with the lower end models to be honest

[lament zenith]

I can't imagine feeling comfortable holding that or bringing it anywhere though

[snow portal]

Again though, 12gb pocket S is the same price as the o2 mini.

[lament zenith]

all glossy, slippery

completely glass

[strange snow]

if you can get a base o2 mini in white i might even go for it

[lament zenith]

one little slip out of my hands in a sweaty hand gamer session and 400 dollars poof

[sage gazelle]

Too thin to be comfortable without the grips

[strange snow]

and replace a bunch of my cheaper ones

[charred spear]

The whole "stick is not recessed enough" discussion is always funny to me.
Y'all walk around with actual handhelds in your pockets? Not in a bag?

[strange snow]

some people are, i definitely don't

[tiny salmon]

Plus they cannot confirm if you break your 1440p screen that you will get same replacment. Its more likely you will be downgraded to 1080p

[strange snow]

for me the only pocketable ones are stuff like a 28xx, mm+ at most

[lament zenith]

I walked around with a vita in my pocket greatly, anything bigger than that I don't

[sage gazelle]

I have a shoulder bag with me 100% of the time & hate having full pockets

[lament zenith]

I just want an rp flip 2.... but I know its never coming :(

[tiny salmon]

As long as they sort the hinge this time

[lament zenith]

with how they unlisted the flip 1, and with all the troubles they had with it, I doubt they're ever making it

[tiny salmon]

🤷🏻‍♂️

I hope they do

[fringe sundial]

Ayn Odin 2 flip maybe

[tiny salmon]

But i had two flips and both hinges broke

But then again i had 2 rp4 pros and both r2 broke 😅

[strange snow]

oh you can't get a base in white, i didn't see that

i'm not getting it then

[tiny salmon]

Yeah black only 😦

[fringe sundial]

Yeah they did the same with the Odin 2

[lament zenith]

they might just not have it announced yet, are we sure its gonna be like that for the devices whole run

if so thats so weird

[fringe sundial]

It was for the Odin 2 so don’t get your hopes up

[tiny salmon]

They announced it

[lament zenith]

mmm

[tiny salmon]

White only for pro

[strange snow]

it's really not, they did it with the o2 too

[lament zenith]

I was remembering it wrong

[strange snow]

kinda sucks cause the pro really is too much

[lament zenith]

I remembered them allowing black and white for the base odin 2 but nothing else

[strange snow]

only black

i had to buy a pro to get a white o2

[lament zenith]

I don't really get where 340 comes from

instead of 300

[tiny salmon]

Screen is expensive apparently

[strange snow]

screen and packing everything tighter i suppose

[sage gazelle]

#1238307237748015124 message

[lament zenith]

guess that makes sense

[tiny salmon]

I will only get if early bird or prior odin buyer discount. Otherwise nahhhhh

[sage gazelle]

Dunno where the hell they got that mini led screen

[lament zenith]

I think its just convincing me to get a normal odin 2 lol

[sage gazelle]

Prior buyer discount would be nice considering the shit time I had with the Odin lite

[tiny salmon]

Yeah they did that with o2, i got my max heavily discounted because i got a lite

[lament zenith]

and all the trouble those loki buyers had lol

[tiny salmon]

It was a lottery though for the discounts, i dont think everyone got it

I was one of the lucky ones

[sage gazelle]

Hmm.. well, hope they do it again

[tiny salmon]

I asked the question on odin discord, but got ignored 😂😅

[sage gazelle]

If this one shows up & it's 61hz again I might actually have an aneurysm tho

[tiny salmon]

Lol, they did cause a stir on their discord talking about 120hz iphones and it made everyone go into a tizzy thinking this had 120hz. They have said its 60hz but they said that about the lite didnt they

[fleet iris]

Why did they say it wasn’t meant to compete with Odin 2, in my eyes this thing is directly competing with Odin 2

[tiny salmon]

They were comparing it to iphone 12 and iphone 12 mini. Same just smaller

[fleet iris]

What

[tiny salmon]

That was the example they gave

[fleet iris]

What does that have to do with what I said

[tiny salmon]

Same but smaller. So just another sku, not competing

[fleet iris]

Oh I see

[tiny salmon]

Yeah, its another option. Rather than a competing product

[fleet iris]

But still doesn’t make sense, it’s the same price and same chipset. Its competing no matter how you look at it

It’s actually more expensive tbh

[tiny salmon]

I agree, but thats the example they gave 😂

[tiny salmon]

They said screen and moulds are reason for cost

[fleet iris]

The way I see it you’re getting less for what you pay for

Smaller screen and battery for more money, I understand portability but still

And who knows if a free bag and screen protector deal is gonna stay around

Unless the extra cost is actually going to that…

[tiny salmon]

🤷🏻‍♂️ if you have a odin 2 already, probs not a good deal

[half ibex]

lol if you have an Odin 2 no it’s not a good deal at all. If you don’t it would be a cool option to look at

[fringe sundial]

Extra cost went to hide those screws. Glue is expensive/s

But not sure how many off the shelf 5 inch full HD mobiles screens there are so the extra is probably due to that

[winged turret]

Support Linux on this thing and I would be sold on it they really should figure out how to get Linux running on it

[fringe sundial]

#someday

[tiny salmon]

Wonder how much power draw that new screen has on a smaller battery 🤔

[bronze oxide]

Linux runs on Odin 2 (apart from no sound for now)

It seems likely that they are reusing as much hw from the odin 2 as possible, so it might not take that much extra work

[frail spoke]

I mean honestly there's really no reason to buy the 12+256gb so the price is.. cool. I think

I do wonder if 5 is really too small though

And maybe 5.5 is the sweet soot hmm

[tiny salmon]

I find the 5.5 small on my pocket air. But thats just me

[frail spoke]

On the rg556 it's fine

[tiny salmon]

Maybe because the body is smaller, somehow makes the screen feel smaller. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[frail spoke]

for me

[frail spoke]

i actually agree with the example they said. i mean, its literally just a personal prefence type of thing theres no right or wrong choice here.

like yeah you can count the screen but i dont think thats the main thing. I also already made my rant why i dont think the contrast is that important for those retro handhelds, its a nice bonus but not necessary imo

and miniled without HDR is...

regardless why do they care, even if they compete with each other, they'll get your money regardless

[strange snow]

they only said it so people double dip

there's zero incentive for them to say "yes, this competes with the odin 2'

[frail spoke]

i dunno i dont see it as a problem anyway, people justneed to get out of that mindset of expecting stuff to stagnant just so they can feel better with their value lol

also they didnt say how many dimming zones this one has

[wary horizon]

They made a huge mistake with the pricey screen they chose imo. Shame because the device itself is gorgeous (outside of d-pad in wrong place 😛 )

[half ibex]

They told people with an Odin 2 specifically don’t worry. If you double dip that’s all on the consumer lol, it’s more just another style

[frail spoke]

I guess I agree yeah it's overkill and for the systems where this handheld would be the best lighting engines weren't even this good lol

Like I legit didn't feel like I got any meaningful difference from playing god of war ps2 on OLED

And It was very apparent bc on god of war 3 the difference is quite big

[bitter axle]

I find it just about the limit of being an okay size for PS2/GC stuff

Obviously for 3ds, GBA etc. it's perfect

[frail spoke]

wdym for 3ds

its tiny for 3ds

[tiny salmon]

Yeah 3ds on a small screen, your mad

Haha

[bitter axle]

I do play single screen

For arguments sake, it's not gonna be any improvement on this Odin

[sacred elm]

Exactly. I've been waiting for this since 2017 and since Nintendo won't give it to me I get ps2,GameCube,wii,3ds,vita and PC in the series pocketable device I get switch. To me that's worth 399 or even whatever they wind up charging on amazon

[bitter axle]

Problem for me is it's price tag is way too much of a luxury to have as a 2nd device for retro stuff

That's why the larger one is a better balance of size to screen comfort

[frail spoke]

I mean hey you got screen protector and bag here which you would probably get the Odin 2 anyway so

The difference Is very smol now

[frail spoke]

Yeah irs expensive for sure if you aren't from the us. It's like 500$ just to get relatively small benefit

[wispy timber]

I really doubt that. Once you realize that the Odin 2 mini is barely shorter than the Pocket S (and bigger in all other dimensions), while the Pocket S has a much bigger screen and more performance, the O2 Mini top SKU is at best a wash if not a losing proposition. The base SKU is certainly better value but the O2 already was better value compared to the Pocket S anyway.

[strange snow]

ayaneo doesn't have 4px shipping so at least everyone in eu is gonna need to pay vat+import tax on the ayaneo while on the ayn you'll only have to pay what the site says

ayaneo is easily 100€ more for europeans

[frail spoke]

i dont really see why odin is not though

[frail spoke]

the odin 2 mini is bigger at length?

lol this sentence doesnt make sense

[half ibex]

I mean, I’d rather have a device from Ayn over ayaneo

[frail spoke]

but you get what i mean

[wispy timber]

It's thicker and taller than the Pocket S.

[frail spoke]

the question is which one is wider lol

[wispy timber]

Oh the Pocket is by about 16mm

[frail spoke]

ehh idrc about that, i dont really buy the whole warranty stuff, if i need warranty from either of those its goign to be a nightmare

[frail spoke]

thats the most important metric imo

[half ibex]

Doesn’t ayaneo tend to have jank software and terrible support length as well

[wispy timber]

Yeah that's fair, but it's not that much of a difference while having considerably larger screen.

[half ibex]

I’ve dealt with very jank software and it can ruin a device for me

[maiden acorn]

So this thing just flat out isn’t even competing with the Retroid Pocket 4 Pro then.

[past ermine]

Yup

Price wise the difference is huge

[maiden acorn]

I love how everyone’s predictions was that it would be only $30-$50 more, and then Ayn just said “yeah, $30 more than the Odin 2”.

[past ermine]

That said I was considering a RP4P

Now I'm thinking about a Mini

But I can see people not able to say okay to the price when the Retroid gets you most of the same experience probably

[past ermine]

They did say it wouldn't compete with the Retroid xD

Technically not wrong.

[maiden acorn]

They also said it wouldn’t compete with the Odin 2.

They technically were right.

[past ermine]

Mhmm

I don't think that many people will get the Mini if they already have a Odin 2 or a Retroid 4

[maiden acorn]

I’ve got both and I’ve used a MiniLED screen before. Cannot recommend MiniLED, it’s “OLED at home”.

[outer pilot]

For me that has a vita and a RP3+ the 5" screen size isn't a large enough bump for me to enjoy the extra power for 6th gen gaming

[queen rose]

Definitely want to see a real world sample/review of the screen

[burnt knot]

SD8Gen2 at 229$ would have been madness

would obliterate the entire android market

[queen rose]

It was already madness at $300 tbh

[maiden acorn]

If they can get the best quality MiniLED, then yes it will be marginally better than the best IPS.

[burnt knot]

I've shown the odin 2 page to a few other people not in the scene and they were all like "only 299$ lmao???"

[outer pilot]

6" screen feels really the minimum for that comfy 6th gen gaming experience as well as consoles like 3ds where you could easily do side by side screens and not feel like you are squinting

But I know there's an audience for smaller devices so yea

[queen rose]

6” kinda perfect for everything without being too big. At 7” older retro systems almost look too big to me.

[outer pilot]

Yea

[past ermine]

Personally I want 5.5"