Ayaneo Pocket Micro

[still ermine]

https://twitter.com/AYANEO__/status/1788541255708025223

AYANEO (@AYANEO__) on X

Dear gamers!We designed a horizontal retro handheld for retro game lovers. It is called AYANEO POCKET MICRO which is inspired by Nintendo GBM and designed for demanding retro gamers like us.POCKET MICRO will also be officially unveiled at the Remake launch event on the 5/18/2024

Twitter · May 9, 2024, 12:07 PM

Dear gamers!

We designed a horizontal retro handheld for retro game lovers. It is called AYANEO POCKET MICRO which is inspired by Nintendo GBM and designed for demanding retro gamers like us.

POCKET MICRO will also be officially unveiled at the Remake launch event on the 5/18/2024

[robust geode]

Aya put this into the Android section on their Discord, so it is Android

[sour fox]

Noice

[still ermine]

The teaser appears to be top dpad. And start select along the bottom ridge. So it must be pretty small.

Maybe they use the 960px screen from the bottom of the aya ds for perfect gba integer?

Which would be. 3.5” 3:2

[daring void]

OMG

so many exciting handhelds being announced this week lol

[somber wave]

That would be cool

[hot turtle]

The non-recessed sticks means no pocketability

[somber wave]

Oh lmao just noticed the sticks are not recessed in that render

Small device with non recessed switch sticks you won’t even use 99% of the time is a vibe I guess

[hot turtle]

Well, if it really is that thin then someone will likely make a cover for it to make it pocketable

[low pumice]

Goodness, every time I look away there's a new Ayaneo

[hot turtle]

You misspelled “Anbernic”

[true cipher]

Ayanic Anberneo

[hot turtle]

Looks to be about as thick as a phone

[daring void]

this is definitely where I parked my car 😍

[median sinew]

rg351p TWO

i'd be interested tbh if it has better shoulder buttons than the 351p it could be cool

[icy epoch]

gonna need to resurrect this old RG350 low profile stick mod for this handheld

[knotty ore]

yeah that would be the dream i think

[sour fox]

I wish we could get these for the 35xx H

[stoic sparrow]

Dam that’s actually dope as hell

[native forge]

Not sure about this kind of design yet

[hot turtle]

Someone in the Ayaneo discord put together a theoretical size comparison:

[somber wave]

so roughly 353m/35xxH sized

at least width wise obviously we have no idea on height

[hot turtle]

👍

[stoic sparrow]

Hot

[tropic meadow]

I’m intrigued

[daring void]

yeah really curious to see what this thing can do

[tropic meadow]

And what it will cost 😅

[autumn wagon]

What's the resolution of the bottom screen for flip ds? Able to integer scale GBA perfectly?

[autumn wagon]

He also mentioned pocket s will be releasing in 2023 last time

[flint sleet]

960*640

GBA 240*160

[autumn wagon]

Cool, looks like a good fit then with 4x

[dawn citrus]

I'm curious what Ayaneo calls "micro". I'd love to see more competition for the A30/RG28XX, as they both are flawed devices.

[brittle scaffold]

Following

[mint hull]

Looks cool, I hope they do something to make it stand out from the anbernic 35 line.

[still ermine]

Don’t think it’s that small

[dawn citrus]

But that would make it really interesting to me.

[still ermine]

3:2 confirmed

Still putting my money on the 960x640 screen from aya ds

[robust geode]

That would make the most sense now

This is the first (hopefully) actually budget device they make, wonder how they price it

[somber wave]

$180

[still ermine]

Yeah. Was gonna say 150-200

I mean if you look at something like the rg353m at $118, and this will probably have a better screen and faster chip.

[brittle scaffold]

3:2 screen? Hot

[lean fossil]

someone asked Authur about the pricing of his retro gaming devices. Author said it's gonna be more than 2,000 yuan. if this is the one he mentioned, it's a $300 device.

[robust geode]

...I shouldn't be surprised but come on

[true cipher]

He was strongly implying it wasn't going to be budget by any measure

I would expect at least $150

[robust geode]

Eh, he was also heavily implying it's pretty low end

Even he can't be crazy enough to charge $150+ for a product with performance that seems to be 35xx range

[lean fossil]

I think here he's saying that his products are not ''cost-effective"

[robust geode]

Yeah, I got that

I just can't believe a device positioned this low end will cost what people are speculating

[lean fossil]

~~It might be more powerful than people are speculating? I assume it runs Android because he's attracting people to join his Android device QQ group for this device. ~~ Edit: I was wrong. He's actually inviting people to join another QQ group. So micro is probably not Android, and DMG is probably Android.

[robust geode]

Seems silly for a device aimed at GBA

But as Arthur said, he can't bring himself to make something low end

[hot turtle]

Yeah, his comments in the Ayaneo discord about it being lower power and great for retro games makes me think this won’t be powerful enough for GameCube and PS2

[lean fossil]

can't justify spending too much on a low power device tbh no matter how fancy other features are. I would rather spend money on an FPGA handheld for GBA what may come out later.

[true cipher]

In terms of size this would at best compete with the RG35XX-H. If, and this is a big if, if it's as performant as a KT-R1 or even a RG405M I would consider it, but that's a big if.

[untold pendant]

At the very least one would hope that it has good build quality for what they're asking

[gray pewter]

Ayaneo typically has great build quality if anything

[untold pendant]

That is true, at least from what I've used of their Air products.

[versed obsidian]

GBA is a goat system. I wouldn't mind an "ultimate" system for it even if it costs quite a bit.

but it better have 4 back buttons

[tropic meadow]

Anyone have a link to the stream that's supposed to go on tonight?

[hot turtle]

???
The Ayaneo stream isn’t until the 18th

[tropic meadow]

Ohhhhhhh

[still ermine]

Confirmed Android.

[tulip hedge]

So what's the latest hint showing?

https://x.com/AYANEO__/status/1791027620458705066

AYANEO (@AYANEO__) on X

#AYANEO POCKET MICRO🎮
Top-Notch Craftsmanship
Unrivaled Visual and Tactile Sensations
See you at 5/18/2024✨

Twitter · May 16, 2024, 8:47 AM

[hot turtle]

The triggers by the looks of it

[tulip hedge]

Yeah just looked and that's my only guess. Which I love honestly since it means it could actually be pocketable

[brittle scaffold]

no way dude, these sticks are like wayyy not recessed enough for it to be pocketable

[dawn citrus]

I'd rather have Linux on smaller/weaker micro handhelds. 😩

[brittle scaffold]

What if I told you Android is Linux?

[dawn citrus]

That would kill me.

[swift valley]

I wonder how android would work on such a tiny screen… unless.. it isn’t that tiny after all

[still ermine]

p. sure it's gonna be 3.5"

it's "inspired" by gb micro, not actual gb micro size

#1238123357510172803 message

[brittle scaffold]

btw, what is that actually based on? stick size?

[wary mirage]

3:2 😊

[somber wave]

I wonder if anbernic will do a version lol

[still ermine]

A re-release of rg351p with higher res screen?

[celest rune]

If they start working on it now it should release before this does

[median sinew]

i just got a 351p so it would be pretty funny

i am curious about this since 3:2 is a good screen ratio and it's higher res than the 351p screen

[amber lichen]

They can't be real

[amber lichen]

Please make it stop 😭

[analog lion]

G99

soc

[hot turtle]

Presales “soon” from the sounds of it

[amber lichen]

Why is it a box

[daring void]

I might be in love

G99 can do GameCube and PS2 can it not? 😳

[analog lion]

it can

[tropic meadow]

Looks kinda cool to me, but I wish it had less sharp angles on the edges

[rich sequoia]

I so want this. It looks perfect, as long as the price is right.

[daring void]

we finally have something better than the 405m. 😍

(hopefully)

[rich sequoia]

This is basically the Miyoo P60, just looking more like a smart phone than a classic gameboy.

[tropic meadow]

Is that a Dos screenshot?

And, how is it 4k if it has a 960 x 640 screen resolution?

[daring void]

who said it was 4K?

[hot turtle]

Looks kinda chunky for a “pocket” device

[daring void]

incredible

[tropic meadow]

The image just above your post says it twice

[tropic meadow]

This

[daring void]

that says 4X

like, 4X GBA resolution

[tropic meadow]

Ah

[daring void]

it's tiny, easy mixup

[tropic meadow]

Yup, it’s also 4am and my eyes want to be shut 😴

[empty scaffold]

that's so square, wtf

[daring void]

it's inspired by the game boy micro, which is also quite pointy

[uneven frigate]

Not that pointy

That's more like an nes controller

[wary mirage]

I'm kinda interested 🙂

[tall gazelle]

How did they fuck this up and put the G99 in the handheld with actual trigger buttons as well as 2 joysticks, while putting the G3X Gen 2 in the vertical handheld with only 1 joystick and only L1/R1?

[dawn citrus]

So, what would you guess the price will be?

[autumn wagon]

Is that Odin2/rp4 's sticks? Should be more recessed for this form factor

And confirmed 3.5 inch?

[daring void]

yup

[brittle scaffold]

Tricky marketing, they say "4X" for GBA scaling. Of course on purpose, it looks like "4K" and will trick people

[crisp hull]

SP still better for all the games it can run. Like a third of the price, and more pocketable

[brittle scaffold]

2 flaws in my opinion:

• Too sharp, looks uncomfortable
• Sticks stick out too much

[crisp hull]

Those sticks are not conducive to the form factor whatsoever

[tall gazelle]

Oh shit wait! It’s got L2/R2.

I actually didn’t notice that.

[crisp hull]

This would have been better if it was rounded edges and if it had sliders

I don't understand their design decisions

[brittle scaffold]

Not sliders, but have to innovate with the sticks like the #1230446912235245648

This device looks comical in comparison

G99 is a great SoC though, very efficient and quite powerful

[wary mirage]

I'm most likely buying this lol

My poor financial decisions 😭

[autumn wagon]

The sticks protruding out really kind of spoil this.
Any chance of this being < $150?

[crisp hull]

Zero chance

This is 200 minimum probably $250

[uneven steeple]

That stick is sticking out way too much. Should have went with slider or nothing.

[brittle scaffold]

The "micro" she tells you not to worry about

[uneven steeple]

That’s ridiculous. Who thought was ok for a micro device.

[empty scaffold]

ayaneo only caring about looks and not usability

[gleaming mist]

The sharp corner of the micro seems going to hurt my hand

[autumn wagon]

Is there a 3.5mm jack? Or are they going with no 3.5mm from now on for their android devices.

[odd raft]

I kinda like this one

remind me, how good is the g99? are we talking above the t618, or less?

[empty scaffold]

above by a decent margin

[autumn wagon]

Between the t618 and d900

The GPU kind of it's weak point, relative to the decent cpu

[hot turtle]

Other way around

[still vortex]

why oh why does this look like a gamemax a380

[knotty ore]

This is the ktr1 killer!!!!!

[stoic sparrow]

Iirc similar to how a t618 can run GameCube, which is typically sub par

[sage prism]

doesn't need a killer when it's suicidal

[tropic meadow]

But then the price will be 5 or 6 times the 35SP

And 2 or 3 times the RP2S I’m also waiting on.

[tropic meadow]

A 3D printed grip case that doubles as a cover case for the front would alleviate that.

[hollow bobcat]

ew going to rip those sticks out

[fiery flax]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-stop-hes-already-dead-kids-krusty-burger-gif-20458591

Ngl, I kinda want the micro

[empty scaffold]

i see nothing appealing about it

grabbing the rgb30 already feels like grabbing a brick, this must be much worse

[hot turtle]

It is quite the chonker

[hollow bobcat]

nothing micro about it

[empty scaffold]

i thought trimui were the ones making the brick

[amber lichen]

Why can't they P60 be alive instead of this ugly thing 😭

[empty scaffold]

also those bumpers and triggers ???????????

[somber wave]

ngl if they fully recessed the sticks I kinda like the chonky retro look of this one

but the sticks ruin it

the gold one anyway

[celest rune]

Those shoulders look terible to use lol

[somber wave]

this thing kinda looks like a DIY rasberry pi handheld

[amber lichen]

I'm going to buy this and make it into the P60 we never got 😭

[still ermine]

👀

[icy epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238123357510172803/1238289485519650956/pocket_micro_1.jpg?ex=6649f333&is=6648a1b3&hm=9d6c8b105fa7587e277651b9a0dd7966441e3a203f5e681b529f3e4bef54dfe1&

this image was so misleading lol, thought this thing was gonna be really thin

not feeling the sharp angled edges of this device, this mockup someone made would've been so much better imo

[mortal silo]

i'm kind of excited. as long as it's not north of 300 or something, this sounds like a great premium no compromise retro handheld

[sage prism]

the compromise is that it's painful to use

[tropic meadow]

I like it, but I don’t think I have a use case for it while I’ve got an RP2S and 35SP on the way, and plan on getting a Deck sooner or later

[icy epoch]

I mean it looks good I guess, just some questionable design choices imo

[sage prism]

Ergonomic Hindenburg

[somber wave]

Is it any worse than a gb micro?

[sage prism]

Looks like sharper edges that you'll need to dig into your palms to get a grip on it & the contortion needed to use those sticks... let alone sticks & triggers simultaneously

[tall gazelle]

The GB Micro is too small for your hands to even reach the corners or edges.

You gotta have baby hands before the Gameboy Micro’s corners can start digging into your palms from trying to press the shoulder buttons.

[harsh timber]

I have pretty large hands, but there's no way that my palms would be anywhere near the corner on that thing. The ergonomics would have been so much better if they designed it to look more like the original GBA.

[tall gazelle]

Hell, you’d need to have Spider-Man’s hand flexibility if you want to rest it on your palms while pressing the shoulder buttons.

Gotta be able to do this if you want to press them and have the corners on your palms.

[true cipher]

The RG405M is taller than this, I expect to have no issues with this

Other than the sticks...sticking out (which I have to try out to see how they affect pocketability) the design looks great to me, seems sleek and compact with a ton of power. It's bound to be expensive but I can see why.

[lean fossil]

The micro is very likely a successor of 17pocket. The design choices make more sense if you compare these two devices.

more photos can be found here https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6320219507

17pocket was the first sought-after device in the Chinese retrogaming handheld community, before ZPG. Arthur made a very small batch of metal shells for them, and that's when he was just a hobbyist and hadn't started his business of handhelds. I believe it holds a special place in Arthur's heart.

[icy epoch]

oh yeah, kinda forgot about that device. seems it was never sold outside of China?

interesting, didn't realize Arthur was behind that

[lean fossil]

No. It's a phone mod like ZPG, so it's difficult to mass produce them.

He was very into this hobby at that time. He even spent a lot of money in making just a dozon ABS plastic shells for a handheld, just for reducing the weight. as a result, that plastic version was even more expensive than a CNC milled aluminum version.

[tropic meadow]

The more ya know! I also figure that might've been an influence on the Miyoo A30.

[mortal silo]

eh, it'll essentially be the exact same ergos as my s24 phone except with physical controls instead of touch. and i guess the shoulder buttons may be a bit weird. but i would much rather have a boxy phone looking thing instead of an handheld with grips and round edges since it'll be less obtrusive when i would want to use it

[wary mirage]

Thats like the perfect size, same as the vita

I'm really starting to like this thing

I'm only really worried about the shoulder buttons being so low

[daring void]

what on earth is that lol

[tropic meadow]

Imagine if they just actually followed the design cues of those devices and at least rounded the corners

[acoustic halo]

Thanks for this lesson, that’s really cool.

I think I want the 17pocket more than the Micro now, but it certainly explains a lot.

That scene of modding phones into handhelds they have in China has always been fascinating to me. I’d love to try my hand at it someday.

Quite a language barrier for the info I’m sure must be out there, but being able to take my frustrations around the handhelds we don’t get and just… make one? That’s the stuff dreams are made of.

[azure wharf]

anyone actually interested in this, lol?

[amber lichen]

Depending on the price

[azure wharf]

it'll be expensive

[amber lichen]

I'm not price sensitive on handhelds I'm actually planning on using but this is def a shelf piece

[tropic meadow]

Possibly maybe

[true cipher]

I'm for sure getting it and it's replacing my RG405M as a daily pocketable handheld.

I don't mind paying for fewer compromises, this looks sleek and premium and has the most power in the most conpact form factor in the market so far. There's a lot of bias against Ayaneo (some of it justified, some of it inane) but this looks like a solid offering. It won't be cheap but the design, materials and specs stand out.

[azure wharf]

well when is it out

[true cipher]

End of June/July

[azure wharf]

come on

why are all of these devices coming out like

in years

[true cipher]

That's a month and a half away

[azure wharf]

About a year from now on retro handhelds time

[true cipher]

Not really, no. Most releases take that or longer.

[lofty lodge]

Jesús nothing about this looks comfortable. Sharp edges, sticks that are too high for it to be pocketable, awful looking shoulder buttons

[versed obsidian]

if you start a 6 figure job now you might save enough money to afford it

[odd raft]

My goodness the thickness

looks like a power bank with buttons

[azure wharf]

i totally dont agree with saying the sticks loko too big

and i really think people exggerate with what they consider pocketable or not. not everything needs to be the smallest thing ever to be pocketable either. you can have something you might not want to carry around all day with you but can carry it for sometime without much issue, that is still way better than other stuff

and i believe this device falls under that

[empty scaffold]

not too big, but not recessed at all

that's really annoying to put in your pockets

[azure wharf]

it will be fine lol

[true cipher]

Oh, that explains so much.

[true cipher]

I don't know how comfortable it is but the edges are rounded and soft. 🤔

[lofty lodge]

That doesn’t look rounded or soft

[tropic meadow]

No it does not

A grip case that doubles as a screen and joystick cover seems like a must, tho it would also need a cut out for the fan

[true cipher]

I'd prefer recessed/flush sticks for sure, but I had no issues with the Vita back in the day. But yeah, people tend to overemphasize any perceived or imagined flaw when it's in line with the zeitgeist of a community towards a given product or manufacturer.

[azure wharf]

i think people just exggerate with what they consider pocketable sometimes

[lofty lodge]

Pocketable means more than just size tho and you have e to think about the practicality of something

[true cipher]

I don't think this has a fan tbh.

[lofty lodge]

This very well could be “pocketable” in terms of dimensions but those sticks make it a non starter

[azure wharf]

idk i had rg556 in my pocket for 2 hours

[lofty lodge]

First of all, they’re probably switch sticks. The fact that they stick out as far as they do means they’re bound to get snagged on everything which is a solid recipe for drift

[azure wharf]

i consider something pocketable if, lets say ,i want to take to go to the pharmacy. 30-45 mins trip or so. if i can throw in my pocket there, its pocketable to me. it doesnt have to be the most comfortable thing and someting i want to have in my pocket all day everyday* but so long as it doesnt something like the odin 2+ where you freakign need to put it in a bag inside a bag its a winner fo me

[lofty lodge]

They might be using Hall effect sticks but that won’t help with the snagging

[azure wharf]

i carried joycons in my pockets plenty of time

[lofty lodge]

Joycons are also thinner than this

[tropic meadow]

Fair, then a cutout for the venting.

[lofty lodge]

Ayaneo is usually very form over function but even the form here is ugly imo. The shoulder buttons look unusable

[azure wharf]

look if its not pocketable for you thats fair, but i totally consider this pocketable lol. im 100% sure i will have no problem carrying it around. like i said it doesnt need to an rg288 or miyoo mini to be pocketable to me

[true cipher]

Could it be roundeder yeah probably, but they don't look sharp to me

[lofty lodge]

“Soft” is really stretching it when something is shaped like a cartoon brick

[tropic meadow]

Again, considering the anti ergonomics of it, an Epic Printing grip case would solve that… or get a sling bang 😜

[empty scaffold]

or just buy something else

[azure wharf]

im glad theres company like ayaneo that is bold enough to make design that isnt ergonomic 🙏 just hope they can survive

[lofty lodge]

Probably but for however much this is bound to cost it feels like leaving it up to a 3d printed solution feels like a slap in the face

[tropic meadow]

Personally my pockets are mostly spoken for already, unless I’ve got my cargo jorts and it is getting hotter so

[lofty lodge]

For a sub $100 device I kinda get it. For ayaneo prices no.

[true cipher]

It's not an ergonomic shape, no, those happen to be even less pocketable. But at least the edges aren't sharp as claimed.

[tropic meadow]

Yeah, the lack of ergos is big bullox

[azure wharf]

i dunno the switch isnt ergo and sold plenty

and idk if you remember

[empty scaffold]

it's ergo heaven compared to this powerbank shaped thing

[true cipher]

If you want an ergonomic device you definitely shouldn't buy this for sure.

[azure wharf]

but its not like its an original ayaneo design..

[lofty lodge]

Except it’s not even really aping that

[tropic meadow]

That’s way smaller so it’s not gunna reach your palms anyway

[lofty lodge]

It’s going more for a nes controller

[tropic meadow]

And I dunno about you, but I find the switch very comfortable to hold

[empty scaffold]

you don't grab a gb micro like other handhelds, you hover your whole hand around it so it doesn't matter

[true cipher]

I don't think ergonomics are a function of price or value. I don't like ergonomic devices because I don't like their design usually, for example.

[lofty lodge]

And even miyoo had the good sense to soften the shape of that when they did the a30

[empty scaffold]

the ayaneo, you have to wrap your hand around

[tropic meadow]

The joycons are plenty smooth and rounded

[azure wharf]

it will be fine

[wary mirage]

I just noticed something, where are the start and select?

[azure wharf]

a lot of people really dont though

[true cipher]

On the bottom.

[lofty lodge]

And that’s why there’s a massive aftermarket for more ergonomic solutions that are super popular.

[tropic meadow]

Alas

[lofty lodge]

Also why I’ve played handheld like… twice

[tropic meadow]

But it’s good for me

[wary mirage]

Is there a pic showing that?

[tropic meadow]

I’ve played handheld 99% of my launch Switch’s life, and I got it in March 2017

[azure wharf]

im just saying i think people exggerate with how important ergo are sometimes. especially for devices like this. a lot of people dont play their handhelds for hours for this even mattering

[true cipher]

@wary mirage like that

[lofty lodge]

Everyone that complained about that on the rp3+ better roast ayaneo for that.

[tropic meadow]

I did have to get a battery grip case for it two Decembers ago, tho

But that makes a little less comfortable to hold due to the added weight

[empty scaffold]

it just pisses me off how out of touch ayaneo is

this will be expensive as shit and apart from the screen and the decent chip, it's junk

[azure wharf]

they are just not designing devices for you

its okay

[lofty lodge]

Flip side is, if a device is uncomfortable to hold im less likely to carry it around which defeats the purpose of a “micro” device

[wary mirage]

I kinda see it? We need better pics of the bottom

[lofty lodge]

Powkiddy approach.

[wary mirage]

3:2 is amazing though

[true cipher]

Lol, sure, or maybe they DGAF since they already know they don't like it

[tropic meadow]

I was excited for this and the teasers made it seem like it would be rounded like an iPhone, so I am disappointed

[azure wharf]

i perosnally liek a lot that theres a company like aya neo that does form over function, and does though really cool designs even if they arent the most practical. you know why?

because this market doesnt lack competition. i dont need them to just copy-paste whatever retroid/odin/anbenric are doing. They are a lot of the times doing unique things, that are not priced so low but its not like im losing anything by them existing lol

[empty scaffold]

nah, powkiddy usually makes a lot of sense, they're just really lacking in quality

[tropic meadow]

And they chose their form poorly!

[azure wharf]

i dont think so, i think the micro and the DMG looks amazing and are much more intereesting than most other handhelds here

[tropic meadow]

They shoulda copied Apple!

[azure wharf]

they did tho 💀 iphone 12 went back to less ergo design

the boxy shape is dumb

[tropic meadow]

Well, my iPhone SE 2020 is rounded…. underneath my SupCase Unicorn Beetle case

[true cipher]

I like the boxy metal shape

[azure wharf]

me too

but im just saying its form over function

lol

i might buy the DMG just to support the underdog aya neo and show you guys

[true cipher]

The egdes seem soft enough for me too.

But not everyone's hands are the same I guess.

[azure wharf]

(bc tihs thing actually looks mid)

[wary mirage]

The boxy shape made it uncomfortable honestly

[lofty lodge]

Sharp doesn’t mean it’s gonna cut you. It means it’s a boxy 90 degree angle. Of course the edges of that are softened but it’s still a bulky 90 degree angle and wrapping your fingers to reach l1/r1 looks like it would be uncomfortable tbh

[wary mirage]

I think that would matter more if it was taller

[azure wharf]

maybe just wait for reviews thats also an option

[lofty lodge]

Grab a book or small box and curve your fingers over the top and see how nice that feels

[true cipher]

Sure, I'm obviously okay with that. I've used sharper phones and tablets that cost way more. I can see it being a dealbreaker to you or many, but it's not to every one and it's a design decision that appeals to some.

[azure wharf]

this loosk like the same edges on the top

keep cooking silvard

[wary mirage]

I just don't think it's gunna be as bad as some ppl are making out to be

Maybe expensive

[empty scaffold]

maybe definitely

[azure wharf]

expensive it will be

[true cipher]

For sure expensive

[azure wharf]

but you need to pay for peak

[wary mirage]

[true cipher]

Things rarely are.

[azure wharf]

i assume their manufacturing is much more expensive than anbernic since this doesnt look like e-waste

[true cipher]

Yeah, I mean it's CNC metal, all glass face, bezelless, etc.

Look at the RG405M, that thing isn't cheap.

And it was even more back at launch. And this is more powerful than it.

[somber wave]

If this is 405m priced that’s actually pretty good for what this is

[true cipher]

? This has way better specs than the RG405M

[somber wave]

It’s also years later

G99 is below current gen anbernic (t820) specs wise

[true cipher]

Yes

[azure wharf]

It's going.to be 250$ for this one and 400$ for the dmg.

[true cipher]

Are you talking about 405M at release? Or now? Because the 405M is still expensive today and no t820 handheld is metal.

[wary mirage]

Are you really interested in the dmg ?

[azure wharf]

It'd the most powerful handheld that I would still consider pocketable

Tho the Odin 2 mini is probably in similar spot

[wary mirage]

I would definitely go with the Odin mini instead

[azure wharf]

Yeah but idk its coming too late

And it's so ugly

[true cipher]

250 would be fine, I'd be pleasantly surprised if it's less but it's an instant cop at that price.

[wary mirage]

[azure wharf]

By the time the Odin 2 mini will start shipping aya neo would have already refreshed their entire x86 lineup since zen5 is coming out in computex, reportedly

And who knows maybe they will x plus/elite too

Would be useless but uhh

Yeah why not

X plus handheld will probably be by far for switch emulation

[true cipher]

The DMG is baffling to me... I'll probably end up getting it.

Nah seriously I doubt it

[azure wharf]

The reality of it is by the time those devices start to ship anbenrnic would refresh their lineup with clamshells all around

So I would probably cancel the orders anyway

[true cipher]

I'm not in the hobby of accumulating devices for the sake of buying them. All I really want is one powerful without performance compromises and one pocketable with decent enough power, and all metal with sleek design (I don't mind ergonomics enough to need things with grips and stuff) .

The former didn't exist until the Pocket S and the latter right now is my 405M which the Pocket Micro will replace.

[gleaming mist]

This shoulder make me remind of my digoo A320

[wary mirage]

Were they difficult to use

[azure wharf]

Im so thankful the rh556 have grips so I can feel it's awful sticks and mid dpad in comfort 💗

[wary mirage]

Lol

[empty scaffold]

don't worry, this has a shitty dpad and sticks too

[true cipher]

I've heard that was comfy but I really don't like how it looks.

[wary mirage]

Wait how do we know the dpad is bad

[true cipher]

Lol

[empty scaffold]

has ayaneo ever had a good one? the kun i guess

[true cipher]

At least wait until someone tries them to crap on them

[azure wharf]

Don't worry the pics don't do it justice

||it's even uglier irl||

[wary mirage]

I've never owned a ayaneo device

This will potentially be my first

[wary mirage]

Did u get the blue?

[true cipher]

@silk isle has shared some thoughts on Ayaneo d pads elsewhere

[wary mirage]

The black might be better lol

[azure wharf]

This thing looks peak for short break at the balcony at work or going to the restaurants and waiting for your launch to arrive ngl🥺

[azure wharf]

I got the black. Used, not choice really. It was moreso test even if I like rh like that since it's been a while I had the rg353p for example and I liked that one but didn't play much and also it was only for.like gba for me

[wary mirage]

You could have gotten cheaper handhelds for GBA 😭

[azure wharf]

😭 im talking about the rg353p a while ago. It was well over a year at this point

Maybe even two?

[wary mirage]

Well at least you're getting the sp now lol

[silk isle]

They are usually solid, silent and reliable. If your a fan of odin they arent that but the are great, one of my personal faves.

Pocket s was their first real miss and they are going back to correct that.

[empty scaffold]

didn't the first couple models have no pivot?

[wary mirage]

Ouh I didn't know the pocket s dpad was bad

[azure wharf]

Yeah but it's gonna take a while to arrive.. I need something now

[silk isle]

Dont know about the og 2020 and 2021. But i know the air was good and after the initial reviewers got their hands on it they tweaked the geek and 2 a bit making an excellent dpad.

Pocket s initial review units had no center post, or not a big one. And the second wave of review unit had some issue with directionals. Dont know how final shipments will look but they say they are fixing the issue. If its similar to the air or 2/geek then itll be hard to find issue with it outside of people who are die hards for super tactile clicky dpads(like odin2)

[true cipher]

It had some issues with diagonals. First they were too easy to hit then they were too hard. They're getting revised before shipping though.

[wary mirage]

That's good, I'm hoping the dpad isn't horrible on this

That would be a deal breaker

[willow ridge]

How’s G99 performance when it comes to Saturn?

[somber wave]

I think it's in the same boat the t618 - runs yabasanshiro standalone fine but not powerful enough for beetle core so any game that needs beetle is out but anything else should work

beetle is basically odin 2 or steam deck territory

[willow ridge]

Ok thanks! 👍

[native forge]

I am still perplexed why this snes controller design on a premium handheld

[azure wharf]

because it looks cool

[native forge]

it does?

first time I am hearing of this

[tropic meadow]

I like the looks of the APM for the same reason I like the A30, but that was definitely an example of beauty only being skin deep. 😏

[mint hull]

This, this one is a pass for me. There are just a million similar devices to chose from that likely have better ergonomic and can play all of the things I want. It's also not faithful to a real Gameboy advance micro so it doesn't have the cool factor like the 35xx sp.

I'm considering the pocket DMG though lol. Looks kinda awesome except that the analog stick is way off in Siberia.

[wary mirage]

its 3:2?

it's a more accurate screen than the 35xx sp

[true cipher]

It's considerably more faithful to the GBA, with the same aspect ratio and perfect integer scaling, but for some the importance is the shell/appearance rather than the reproduction of the experience.

That said for someone who's more on a budget settling for the RG35XX SP is definitely wiser, especially if the interest is only GBA.

[wary mirage]

Yeah I'm mostly getting my rg35xx SP entirely on nostalgia alone lol

Since I had a gba sp

[native forge]

what do you mean it has a more accurate screen?

[true cipher]

To the OG GBA, since it matches the aspect ratio and it's an integer scale of the original resolution.

The RG35XX-SP does not and isn't.

[native forge]

oh aspect ratio

well isin't the rg35xx sp 4:3 which is considered a good all round retro emulation aspect ratio?

and the rg35xx sp is using that retroarch feature to make those retro borders

[sage prism]

I feel like if you're gonna spend $2-300 on a gba you may as well just get or build a modded one. Yah, this'll play other stuff too, but at that size & aspect a lot of gen 5/6 games will suck to play on it, shoulder buttons notwithstanding.

[elder trench]

if its going to be rp4p price then ill snatch that instead

[wary mirage]

nah ktr1 has the same aspect ratio, it's great for 4:3 and 16:9 is not as bad as on 4:3

[sage prism]

yah but it's much larger

[true cipher]

Yeah this isn't worth it to buy just for GBA, unless you're really crazy about it. If you want a pocketable metal hanheld that can do most of PS2/GC too then this might be a good pick up though.

[wary mirage]

it's subjective ig

best to get the one you prefer

[true cipher]

I see it replacing my RG405M which was almost $200, and this is more powerful and more compact, so to me it's worth it if the price isn't too far north of that.

[wary mirage]

i see it as being a really cool handheld lol

[true cipher]

But it's not a "value" buy if you're only interested in easy to emulate systems.

[somber wave]

my only concern is whether the 406 is gonna be a better chip (t820) and better screen for PS2/GC/Wii - which would leave this as a gba (and maybe psp) only handheld for many

[true cipher]

Same, I mean use case wise, for me.

[somber wave]

then again we might never get a real 406

the cube might have eaten it in the womb lol

[elder trench]

psp and psx is the max ill use this for

ds maybe

[true cipher]

I mean, you're not wrong but I have no idea if it will even exist.

[elder trench]

but i have a 3ds

[true cipher]

As is though it'd be an upgrade to my RG405M in everything except screen size.

[wary mirage]

im probably going to get the cube too 😭

[daring void]

is this more compact than the RG405M though? 🤔

[true cipher]

Yes

We have the screen size, and we have the picture with the iPhone 14 Pro Max. You can compare lengths between that and the RG405M.

It's 160mm vs 163mm.

And shorter.

As in less tall

[daring void]

right I'm more concerned about how much the joysticks protrude

[true cipher]

That's fair yeah

I wish they didn't.

That might be an issue, but I hope it isn't.

[daring void]

the 405M's don't really protrude much, if at all

[true cipher]

The Vita wasn't exactly super pocketable but it didn't have recessed sticks and that didn't bother me.

[daring void]

god how much better would it have been if it did have recessed sticks tho 👀

[true cipher]

I think it would have been excellent, yeah.

[wary mirage]

i wish it was getting reviewed sooner because im really anxious to see a rgc review lol

[somber wave]

it's very weird they protrude given how thick the device is - plenty of room to recess them

[true cipher]

You'd think. Maybe they needed all the volume for the G99 and the battery.

But I certainly wish they were recessed, same with the DMG.

[wary mirage]

me: who doesn't mind it lol

[true cipher]

Maybe they're planning a magnetic cover for the micro too

[wary mirage]

for me the shoulder buttons and price are more of deal breakers

[true cipher]

I mean, it's not a deal breaker but I'd prefer flush

[wary mirage]

if the shoulder buttons are awful im not buying this thing

[somber wave]

I love that we don't even know the price yet and we already know it's gonna be a dealbreaker for many

[true cipher]

I don't think this is going to be less $200.

And at that price you can get better value

[wary mirage]

yeah but so was the original micro 😂

[true cipher]

I don't think it's a value based proposition at all

[somber wave]

that's what they meant by inspired by the GBA micro

overpriced, low sales volume

it is a little weird to see a modern release heavily inspired by a device that was a commerical failure at the time

[wary mirage]

hope not that's what im expecting

[true cipher]

You can get like a RG556 or a RP4P for that price, but those are fundamentally different handhelds.

[somber wave]

I could maybe see them doing $199

keep in mind we're about to get the unicorn from a small company for like $149 that's a g99

there are like $110 g99 tablets on aliexpress

the g99 is cheap now

[true cipher]

Yeah but it's not metal and stuff.

Even for stuff like the RP2S the metal shell adds a lot.

I might not even get this and go for the DMG instead, I don't know

DMG looks like it's 3.4" 5x GBA after all

I may not actually need a pocket device.

I do travel with my RG405M but I almost never use it on the go.

[daring void]

if the g99 is so cheap why isn't anyone else making a device this small powered by it

undercut ayaneo, etc

[true cipher]

As in like take out of my pocket and play as I sit down somewhere for a few minutes.

[true cipher]

The KT-R1 uses it.

And the Unicorn soon.

The KT-R1 was forward thinking in many ways but it was hampered by being made by one guy.

[somber wave]

because it only recently got cheap and isn't enough of a step up from everyone's existing t618 devices

anbernic would rather just make a t820 that's cheaper than this rather than a g99

[floral robin]

its almost the same wide as Vita? wow i thought it will be as small as RG35XX H

[mint hull]

Aya tends to have a really nice screen, powerful CPU and make their products very aesthetically appealing. But once you have it in hand, the things that matter are not great like ergonomics and buttons. Someone said ergonomics don't matter... Well if you have a "premium" glass and metal device shaped like a matchbox digging into your hands then I think that opinion will change. Sometimes they nail their devices like the Slide so I'm not discounting them, just saying there are some concerns here.

[mint hull]

The DMG looks way better. I can see myself using that as my main retro device if they nail the dpad.

[wary mirage]

It's just not for you and that's ok, there are plenty of other choices

[mint hull]

I'm literally the target audience though lol

Don't excuse bad ergonomic or overheating (if it is poorly design, we don't even know yet) with "its just not for you". I'm just saying Aya has a track record that we should be judging them by

[wary mirage]

In that case wait for a review rather than making judgment call on a image, that's what I'm doing

I'm not 100 % sold on it either but it seems potentially awesome

[sage prism]

they won't, the pocket air d-pad is terrible

[mint hull]

Fair enough, I have the rg300x and it is actually pretty comfortable even though it is simply a rectangle. We have to wait until reviewers try it.

[wary mirage]

Yup exactly

[elder trench]

https://tenor.com/view/garbage-trash-dump-boots-go-cartoons-gif-11564213

[sage prism]

i mean.. they've used it in several models, I don't see them fundamentally changing up how they design them for this

[elder trench]

I personally find it to not be super bad but yea plenty of better dpads

much prefer the o2 dpad

need to see a review on this just to see if they actually improved the dpad since they seem to be finally be using new sticks

[true cipher]

@mint hull

I guess I'm going to chalk up d-pad judgments as personal preferences, because these whole hyperbolic takes of them being "terrible" that people love spouting don't seem to be universal nor particularly useful.

[sage prism]

No need for the snark @true cipher , if you want a breakdown of exactly why it's terrible, I've got you covered. It comes down to a couple factors:

(1) - How you use d-pads. Do you use the tip of your thumb (claw) or the pad (roll)? I've noticed a correlation between hand size & which style you use, larger handed people tend to roll. The air d-pad is absolutely terrible if you are someone who rolls their d-pads for reasons I'll explain in (2). A good d-pad can handle either style without issue.

(2) - Design. The air d-pad has one of the most shallow pivots I've ever seen. It is not even close to contacting the board in a resting state (where no pressure is being applied). You can press directly on the center of it & the entire d-pad will depress a good millimeter. It also jumps back upwards upon release, contacting the shell, which makes an awful clacking sound & doesn't feel good.

This, coupled with the flaccid, mushy membrane, leads to false diagonals, shallow throw & low tactility when rolling, making it barely usable & frustrating. Clawing isn't much better, you'll still get the unpleasant clacking & pressing anywhere near-center will depress the entire thing.

The shape & feel of the d-pad itself is also unpleasant. It's completely flat, feels hollow, uniformly textured & lacks any amount of grippiness (be it from friction or shape). The flatness & lack of texture make it particularly hard to roll. Having a spare d-pad for it, I don't think it can even be salvaged by way of the usual mods (stiffer membrane & spacer), the pivot is just way too small & too far from the board.

As I said before, a good d-pad can handle either use-case. This barely handles one competently. While there is a certain amount of subjectivity involved, there is no hyperbole when I say "It's terrible". I have 20+ devices here to compare it to & it's absolutely in my bottom rung.

[gritty basin]

From Ayaneo discord on potential domestic pricing

[empty scaffold]

so dmg between 276 and 414 bucks and micro between 138 and 276

(aka 400 for the dmg and 250 for the micro, i bet)

[somber bloom]

might as well say "itll be below 1000usd"

and here i think i just might have something that can replace my ktr1, anbernic do your thing already

[robust geode]

Probably 350 for the DMG

Seems silly to go basically at the max of what he said

[empty scaffold]

it would make sense marketing wise

but hey, if they're less, cool

[true cipher]

It's not personally directed to you. It's simply that it comes across as part of the constant snippy hateful pile on that the community has towards a company, which is mostly useless and kind of childish. Here you are already categorically dismissing even the possibility that they might get it "right" because of your subjective opinion, before anyone has even gotten the chance to test it.

And the verbosity of your opinion doesn't change the fact that it's subjective or hyperbolic, although explaining why you believe so is at least useful for people who might share your preferences. All it boils down to is that you personally don't like it, and while I'm sure many would agree with you (hell I might, too, after trying it) evidently not everyone does. And for the DMG/Micro nobody actually knows yet.

[azure wharf]

its not that simple to just get any chip you want really

theres negotiations to be had with the companies and contracts and they might not want to sell you if its too low volume etc

[mortal silo]

250 would be perfect pricing for me on the micro

[azure wharf]

or you can just strike a better deal with other chip that might cover multiple devices in your lineup~ theres a reason why companies tend to use the same chips really, you dont just get a new chip for every device you sell

[azure wharf]

didnt they post 1000-2000YEN in teir discord

[mortal silo]

yea, somebody above generalized it as 250 since it would be 138-276

[azure wharf]

the way i saw it it just seemd to me different configs? like its not them saying it will be anywhere between 1000-2000 bc.. thats very high differences lol

but i might be wrong

[empty scaffold]

pretty sure there's only one version and he's just saying a huge ballpark for the price

[mortal silo]

eh, if it's sub200, i would almost insta pre-order

[azure wharf]

who talks like this 😭

[empty scaffold]

people doing marketing

[azure wharf]

"this device will be anywhere between 100$ and 200$"

wtf

next time just say it will be somewhere between 50$ and 1000$

[empty scaffold]

it's like how people said the xxsp would be under 150 bucks

tbh just ignore it, at least the max price isn't that ridiculous

unless some big upcharge for the west

[azure wharf]

well has history shown that there is big upcharge for the west?

[empty scaffold]

no idea, i never know the price in RMB

[azure wharf]

well 2000 rmb is 270$

lets say 300$ in indiegogo

i dunno feels like a bit much to me

[empty scaffold]

it's ayaneo

[azure wharf]

yes but people often exggerate on how expensive their devices is. the pocket S is really not that far off from the odin 2, indiegogo prices, especially if you consider the pro which is 12GB+256GB for 370$ (the base model isnt even in stock, idk if this is permenant thing) and the pocket S being 12GB+128GB for 400$, its realtively small difference, all things considered. even if you ignore the 12GB and compare 300$ vs 400$ its not that big imo

and stuff like the flip DS? the flip DS wasnt overpriced at all, it packed os much jank into it and was just a bit more than the rog ally MSRP

[empty scaffold]

i think you should compare retail prices

igg you're basically refusing having any rights as a customer

[azure wharf]

the retail price were updated much later into the ally lifecycle though and its hard to compete with discounts in the US and all that :c the point is, the flip DS for example? didnt feell ike it was overpriced for what it is.

it really had a lot of stuff thrown into it , and thats ignoring the fact that aya opreates at much lower volumes. im not saing it wasnt more expensive

[empty scaffold]

just from that, for me indiegogo prices are meaningless

so the pocket s starts at 560 bucks

[azure wharf]

i digress im yapping too much, basically having this device go for 300$ while it has the perf of.. 150$ devices? is kinda sus even for aya neo

[empty scaffold]

i think it will be 250, but 300 wouldn't be surprising to me

[azure wharf]

should be 150$ and not a dollar more /s

[azure wharf]

though to be fair, the chipset is really not the most expensive part on a device like this anyway

i shouldn't exggerate with how important chip prices are bc they really dont

thats why the ps portal is not overpriced

[mortal silo]

g99 is a decent chip no? i have a cheap tablet with that chip and it runs light gc/ps2 fine

[azure wharf]

do you really want to run gc on this tho

[empty scaffold]

the question is if you really want to play ps2 on a 3,5" 3:2 screen

cause g99 is way overkill for only gba

[azure wharf]

i mean hey itscool as an option. im sure there will be some games that will translate well for this. just.. some games.

It honestly would be cool when we reach the point that everything just runs and you dont need to think about it, and you can run those 10% game sthat will work for this size and not think about it

rn you need to consider this if its "worth it" and all that

like

kirby epic yarn on the wii

a game that i just played

sure it will be fun to play on this screen, i assume

[mortal silo]

eh aside from some mario kart dd or something, i can't imagine myself playing any heavy gc games. just saying from a price standpoint, the specs and performance are similar to devices in the 150-200 range, and once you add on the fancy features, i can see where the 300 price point is coming from. i'm guessing for most people, it's really going to come down to whether or not they want to spend 300 for a dedicated gba machine

[azure wharf]

platformers?

[mortal silo]

not even sure what platformers are in that generation lol. i grew up with nes/snes. i would buy this for 300 because gba is like pure nostalgia to the brain for me

[azure wharf]

if you want GBA nostalgia maybe theres a better device for you 🥺

[empty scaffold]

this is the only modern 3:2 available that isn't the mess that is the ktr1

but yeah, the sp or tsp will give you 90% of the nostalgia for under a third of the price

[azure wharf]

i mean i dunno i would argue SP is more nostalgia inducing though

maybe our friends here had a micro but from what i remember they account for like.. under 5% of GBAs sold?

[empty scaffold]

also this is huge compared to the gba micro and not even the same shape

[mortal silo]

It's an android, 3:2 screen that can support shaders and has a left analog stick. The premium feel is also a huge plus. Can't think anything else on the market that really meets this.

[azure wharf]

you need analong stick for gba?

[mortal silo]

Yea. Certain games it's more comfy

[somber bloom]

#1000859230783422576, wait

[native forge]

I am confused by this conversation

[somber wave]

I’d actually be much more into this if they had omitted or fully recessed the sticks so I could ignore them lol

[native forge]

All this talk about capturing nostalgia with a devise that is pretty much nothing like a old gba devise

This looks nothing like any of the gba line of devises

[somber wave]

The gold one kinda looks like the FC limited edition gba micro if you drink an entire quart of rum first

[native forge]

Ah yes a great comparison where to compare something you need to be inebriated

[lofty lodge]

this.

if you want nostalgia for a gba-like device, just get the rg35xxSP

[empty scaffold]

the point is the screen i suppose, but tbh with some bezels and shaders it will look just as good

[lofty lodge]

if you're gonna go for nostalgia for the "perfect" gba device, then design for the gba

not for "up to ps2"

be niche like analogue

[native forge]

I was going to say why get a Aya neo pocket Micro over a analouge pocket?

Wouldn't that be a better gba experience?

[lofty lodge]

I think that's what bothers me the most. Ayaneo had the opportunity to disrupt some of Analogue's market by creating attractive high-end vertical devices and they sorta fumbled it by going too far

and the micro specifically feels like a rushed response to some of the micro handhelds coming out in the market

they both feel overdesigned and underbaked

somehow

[somber wave]

Well the DMG is just using an lg wing OLED so some im sure somebody else will make the emulator based analogue pocket rival

[lofty lodge]

they were so close to getting it right

[azure wharf]

who knows they might before release?

[lofty lodge]

Ayaneo Pocket Micro Stickless edition, limited and $100 more expensive

[true cipher]

I doubt it at this point. Besides I asked and Arthur says it doesn't really get in the way.

[mortal silo]

why does it need to look like an old gba machine for nostalgia?

[true cipher]

Underbaked I don't know, overdesigned sure. But Ayaneo wasn't ever going to make a low end device that could just to play GBA.

The logic, I think, goes like this:

They want to make a GBA inspired device because Arthur has nostalgia for it, so they source the screen which is undoubtedly great for it. Perfect scaling and aspect ratio at a decent enough size. They design the shell around it in typical premium fashion and of course they stuff the highest power SoC they can fit in it, because anything less is basically giving up. So now they have a device that's basically capable of a lot of PS2/GC not to mention all previous gens, which means that eschewing the sticks at this point is basically leaving gameplay potential on the table (Arthur literally says something along the lines of that). So you get this.

If you're into nostalgia about the appearance of retro devices and you're not really seduced by premium materials or accurate gameplay reproduction and only want to play GBA, there is much better value in other devices even if they're not the right aspect ratio.

If you want primo, no compromise (except for cost) GBA while being much more capable than similarly sized devices (Or the AP), and you appreciate the design (which looks enough like a GBA Micro TBH, it doesn't have to be a 1:1 replica like the SP), then the Micro is totally a catch. But that depends on your personal budget and value proposition.

[mortal silo]

lol, well put

[native forge]

At the price why not get a Odin 2?

[true cipher]

I don't know what the price is, but yeah, if you're in a situation where you're deciding between the Micro and the Odin 2 obviously it's not about the materials or the pocketability or the screen aspect ratio, etc. So it's up to whatever criteria you have.

[native forge]

I mean I am suspicious on how poketable this will be

[true cipher]

More than the Odin 2 for sure.

[native forge]

More so is irrelevant if it is not

[true cipher]

That depends on your personal needs.

I use a RG405M as my pocketable device. I still want to see how the sticks affect pocketability, but so far this is looking more compact than it.

Dimensions wise.

[native forge]

The problem is sticks sticking out alot hurt pocketability alot

[true cipher]

Yeah that's what I said, I still need to see how they affect it.

[empty scaffold]

i don't see how making this as powerful as they can is important

[native forge]

That is a good question

[mortal silo]

same reason why it has a metal shell instead of plastic, why not?

[true cipher]

It's important to them, same with the DMG.

[empty scaffold]

if it was some random linux chip, no sticks, with this premium build and all that, 150 bucks easy

[native forge]

Why does this device need a chip like this?

[empty scaffold]

even i'd be interested

pretty much unquestionable definitive gba handheld

but this tries to do too much

[native forge]

And if you premium gba wouldn't you want fpga or a original gba?

[true cipher]

I think that AYANEO, for better or worse, designs devices they want to see/use; that nobody else is doing because everyone would rather compromise in some ways to make them more marketable/sellable/affordable.

[empty scaffold]

i just think they should compartimentalize their products better

[true cipher]

Not me, personally.

[empty scaffold]

pretty much everything they make can run everything

[native forge]

Right but might they have let ego dictate their design?

[true cipher]

100% it did.

Same with the DMG.

[empty scaffold]

that's kinda sad

[true cipher]

Is it? I mean it's great they're doing whatever they want.

[empty scaffold]

anbernic is the best at this, no shame in making super low end devices if they think it can fill a niche

[true cipher]

AYANEO clearly isn't interested in making low end devices, and they're completely aware that they're pricing out a lot of people by not compromising on their devices.

[native forge]

It is kind of funny how Aya neo and ayn are both going for the premium devise experience while Aya neo feels aimless but ayn has so far made a good devise with each thing they made

[true cipher]

I'm glad we have different options for different levels budgets or cost effectiveness.

[true cipher]

They both have their hits and misses, it's just that AYANEO swings a lot more.

[empty scaffold]

i just think making no compromise devices is actually making them worse

[native forge]

Yea the absurd number of devices Aya neo makes makes them feel aimless

[mortal silo]

wouldn't say ayn and ayaneo are going for the same experience. ayn seems like a pretty solid midpoint for devices that can play later generation systems. aya neo is purely going for the premium feel

[true cipher]

Yeah that's certainly an opinion.

[empty scaffold]

there's barely any variation, biggest one is the dmg and that's a big miss

at least this is dpad top

[true cipher]

Yeah, Ayn is certainly aiming high on the performance and have gone for great cost effectiveness, but AYANEO is also focusing on stuff like materials and design and stuff, there's a lot of overlap but I wouldn't say they're strictly the same market.

[native forge]

What do you mean focusing on materials?

[true cipher]

Like CNC'ed metal and glass faces instead of plastic.

[native forge]

Is their devices easily repairable?

[true cipher]

I'm not saying it's preferrable objectively, but it's what they want to go for.

[true cipher]

There was a teardown of the Pocket S and it was simple enough.

I don't think end user repairability is a priority for them though (although they're one of the few manufacturers wiling to send out parts). That's rarely the case when a company goes for things like sleekness or screwless designs (I expect the same of the Odin 2 Mini for example). Ironically the DMG isn't screwless so that might be easier to take apart.

[still ermine]

We have a literal sea of devices. This one isn’t for most. It is what it is.

It would kinda be dumb for them to try and beat anbernic or retroid at their game anyway.

[empty scaffold]

they have a huge advantage over any device under 200 bucks, a great 3:2 screen

they could easily make a device for most that isn't covered by any other company

[mortal silo]

they don't want to though?

[still ermine]

They probably don’t have the purchasing power of anbernic though

So they would be more expensive regardless

And they don’t want to dilute their brand

Someone else will come along and make a better device for the budget minded

[native forge]

Question if you want a premium devise for playing gba with a 3:2 screen exactly why not a modded gba?

[mortal silo]

already have one lol

[native forge]

I am confused by this

[empty scaffold]

i don't wanna play on original hardware if i can avoid it lol

emulation station is too nice

[true cipher]

That's an option, yeah, and it's not the same option as a pocket emulator that can use savestates or retro achievements and internet sync, etc. Or emulate other systems too.

It's why I'm not particularly interested in the AP myself. It's great what they have accomplished but it's not for me.

[native forge]

But then wouldn't that beg the question of why not a different devise like a rg35xx sp if you don't mind emulation?

[mortal silo]

not sure what's confusing about this. this product has a list of features that matches what i'm looking for at this point in time. yes there are alternate products with similar features and other products at similar price points. but this one has exactly what i'm looking for. not to mention, i probably own all the alternatives since i tend to impulsively buy anything gba related

[true cipher]

The SP isn't anywhere near as capable as the G99, and the aspect ratio is 4:3, and the resolution is 640x480. And it's plastic. It's not the same type of option.

[still ermine]

That is totally valid for a lot of people. Some people want exact aspect and scaling match.

[true cipher]

This isn't that complicated.

[native forge]

Are you really going to be playing Gen 5 and above on this?

[still ermine]

This device is for the person that’s really into the gba catalog and is particular about scaling and aspect.

[true cipher]

Maybe, maybe not. Even if I don't it would still be superior for GBA.

[native forge]

Would it?

[true cipher]

Yes

[empty scaffold]

that's why they should have focused more on gba

[mint hull]

Ayaneo dpads vary greatly between devices, imo the variance is too big for us to not worry about the dpad. I really liked the dpad on the Geek and 2/s. But then reviewers stated the Pocket Air dpad was actually worse than the normal Air's dpad despite them seemingly being the same thing. I think even ETA Prime didn't like it iirc. In general, every Aya device has a completely different dpad. As a result it is becomes an unknown quantity as opposed to Ayn, Retroid, Anbernic, Miyoo (lately), who always use the same exact dpad and face buttons so you know exactly what you are getting.

[native forge]

That poses a question of what is the best gba experience like what does that look like?

[true cipher]

Okay.

[still ermine]

The best is subjective. Most options have a trade off. Ktr1 great size and screen but questionable build. Original hardware with upgraded screen if you are a purist and don’t care about saves/fast forward/etc. Rg556 if small doesn’t matter and you want OLED and filters and such, 35xxh if you aren’t fussed about scaling and want a budget option, etc. the list goes on

[true cipher]

I don't know if you're taking the piss or not. There's a certain degree of subjectivity, but surely you understand why someone who's going to emulate GBA would want 3:2 and integer scaling, right?

[empty scaffold]

and no sticks or a g99

[true cipher]

Yeah I totally understand that too.

[native forge]

Assuming to avoid black bars but since retroarch has that gba sp border option why not use it?

[mint hull]

This does seem like the actual best display for GBA out right now. The perfect size and an exact 4x integer scale.

[empty scaffold]

i think borders are super ugly, i turn them off

[true cipher]

I understand that you don't think it's worth it, that's super valid, you definitely shouldn't get this if you don't see why someone would prefer this for GBA.

[true cipher]

BTW I agree 100% with you, that's why I think it's not very useful to dismiss them outright before anyone has gotten a chance to test them, especially not universally. The implication that because it's Ayaneo the d-pad is going to be terrible just strikes me as "bitch eating crackers" syndrome.

[mint hull]

Does G99 have Linux based OS support?

[true cipher]

For clarity.

[empty scaffold]

i dunno, i guess not, the ktr1 people should know

[true cipher]

I don't think so.

[azure wharf]

The arguments against this device are really weak imo. Hope all the future owner will be happy with it

Might have bought it if it wasnt so ugly

I still dont understand though will this and the DMG launch in IGG?

[true cipher]

Probably.

[true cipher]

Honestly this whole thing is making me question how I use my "pocket" device.

I wanted it at first but slowly I'm wondering if I even need the 405m I already have.

I mean.

[azure wharf]

uniornically the 405m might look better than this

[true cipher]

The situations where I use it almost never benefit from it being pocketable.

[azure wharf]

imo

[azure wharf]

you saying the 405m isnt pocketable enough for you?

[true cipher]

It is. What I'm saying is that I only ever really put it in a pocket while traveling, like at the airport/planes/trains, etc. And whenever I take it out I have a bag with me anyway that I could access instead.

I don't use it for pick up and play sessions of 10 minutes while waiting in line for something for example, or while running errands throughout the day.

If I have downtime I read on my phone.

[azure wharf]

I mean this would look better and run better and just be better and cooler and you know

it will be better

[true cipher]

Yeah

That was the appeal for me, and GBA.

[still ermine]

This is why the pocket s is going to replace most things for me. Pretty rare that I truly need something to actually fit in a pocket. For that I have the mm+ (and a 28xx on way)

[true cipher]

But now I'm thinking, maybe I don't need it to be accessible and whenever I use it I could use the Pocket S instead, for example, which has perfect integer scaling too.

[azure wharf]

the pocket is pocketable too..

[true cipher]

Basically this, yeah.

[wary mirage]

Pls stop this 😭

[azure wharf]

sorry sorry im trying to be positive 😭 im postive okay this isnt ugly

[still ermine]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[azure wharf]

its very clear design. like, the clarity of this design is remarkable

[azure wharf]

tbh size is also about how it feels. im not fan of wide devices, its actually my biggest problem with deck and why its probably the one device i never want to use even though the controls are superb

and weight ofc

but the pocket S is already lightweight

[true cipher]

Yeah that's a factor too. TBH 3:2 isn't that far off from 16:9, but maybe it would be weird to blow up the GBA to almost 6".

[azure wharf]

like the rg556 in bed

its not that comfy after a bit

bc its getting wide and starts to hurt my upper arms slightly

its really no biggie ofc but hey this entire hobby is about the smallest thingies

[still ermine]

Tbh i do feel like gba at that size gets a little weird. I don’t like playing 2d emulation on my rog ally for this reason among others.

[versed obsidian]

That's when you grow your gut so your can rest your handheld on it while you play

[true cipher]

Yeah, it was offputting a bit on the Steam Deck.

[azure wharf]

maybe get this for 2d games yeah. but you already have the 405m.. but tbh this will look better and probably the screen way better and idk it will be fun to hold something that is CNC machined and not cheap plastics like whatever nabenric is using @true cipher

[empty scaffold]

the deck actually integer scales gba at almost 7 inches, but yeah, that's too big

[still ermine]

Trimui smart pro is a good gba size screen. Bigger than that is unneeded for gba imo.

[empty scaffold]

yeah, that's my current gba machine

[true cipher]

The Z13 I have integer scales it to almost 13", it's werd AF.

[azure wharf]

I dunno i still value the option to be pocketable bc if i have a handheld that i have to put in a protectve case and then put in my bag.. that 2-step ritual just kills it for anything that is causal for me, it makes me start to think about whatever i should bring it or not. just haivng the option to pocket it for a bit when i movebetween places is huge deal to me

and maybe it will be to you if you will see the magic on a device that doesnt need a bag all the time 🥺

and maybe

[true cipher]

Well, yeah, agree on the feel, but that's why I liked the 405M since it's metal too.

[azure wharf]

they should just have made a clamshell so we would have the best of both worlds

[empty scaffold]

for me the pocket s is too long to call it pocketable, i wish pockets were longer

[azure wharf]

the pocket S is less long than the rg556, apparently

[still ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/ultimate-rollerblade-matrix-gif-9813173044290140999

[azure wharf]

is shorter

why did i say less long 😭

its SHORTER than the rg556 yeah

[true cipher]

Yeah, that's true, that's why I'm on the fence.

[azure wharf]

I mean hey if you are adult and you know you got some money you can get it even if its too specific

personally i dont really see myslef getting a device that is solely for one system though

bc thats too specific

espcially not the GBA where its mostly ports anyway

[still ermine]

Kinda why I’m hoping the magnetic case for the pocket s is good. Just snap the lid on and off and put in bag

[true cipher]

I'd play PSP on it too

And NDS maybe too

[still ermine]

Tate mode?

[true cipher]

PS2/GC...uh, maybe some games?

[still ermine]

Could be fun for varcade

[true cipher]

Yeah

[azure wharf]

yeah its noticeable. i dont want to say a big deal but man the whole ritual of needing to have two "bags" for handhelds" puts me off so much 💀 like not only i need to carry a bag (and i mostly dont carry a bag) but now i need to have two bags if i want to ever take it out.

(of course this has place and not that bad etc etc )

[still ermine]

If I’m in a situation where I might play a handheld I also have a bag.

[true cipher]

This is me most of the time.

[azure wharf]

most of the time i agree. most of the time. but the thing is, in those cases im also going to be too busy to play handheld anyway.

[true cipher]

I already carry a bag even without handhelds.

[true cipher]

This is also true. That's why unless I'm traveling I don't really play games outside of the house.

[still ermine]

I play handhelds at home, at work on break, on vacation. Always have a laptop bag for work and a camera bag on vacation.

[azure wharf]

right but thats why i want to be pocketable and not carry my bag to the balocny

to the toilet, to the restuant downstairs

🥹

hopefully its okay to use the T word here

[still ermine]

You can’t carry a device 20 steps?

[azure wharf]

its cringe..

imagine taking your steam deck to the toilet at work

i couldn't show my face afterwards

[empty scaffold]

sleeves are great for that, just slide it in and out

[true cipher]

Don't do that, you'll get hemorrhoids.

[azure wharf]

yeah perhaps, i didnt realy had a mid-sized device yet, just the handheld PCs

[still ermine]

Idk after getting married and becoming a parent I couldn’t be assed about what others think most of the time lol. But I wouldnt take a handheld to the toilet at work anyway.

[azure wharf]

it was just an example anyway

[mortal silo]

join the sling bag everywhere club

[still ermine]

Just picked up a tomtoc edc sling

[mortal silo]

oh nice, i actually have the same one, it's kind of amazing how handy it is if you embrace it

[still ermine]

And with a kid I usually have a bag for snacks and stuff anyway

[azure wharf]

i can give you more examples of situations where i wanted to move a bit and thought maybe i can play around a bit but didnt want to carry a bag. like there was the independence day few days ago and we were doing BBQ and towards the end you know everyone relaxing its not too much of a family gathering anymore and thennnn

i played a bit on the rg556

🔥

and i dunno carrying a bag there and then thinking "oh is it time to take it outside the bag" but then if i stop playing then i need to put inside and then picking it up again would be cringeee

tldr

JUST GIVE ME THIS ALREADY

[mortal silo]

lol, i usually carry a 353m in my sling for that exact scenario. just no shame, carry it everywhere.

[still ermine]

Idk if you think that’s cringe then idk what to tell you

[empty scaffold]

i wish slingbags were more comfortable

[still ermine]

You have some oddly specific needs haha

[azure wharf]

i dunno the only ones who carried bags to that meeting were moms. do you want me to look like a mom? you are getting me in trouble too

[empty scaffold]

backpack?

[azure wharf]

even weirder

who comes to a family dinner with a backpack

[empty scaffold]

i take mine everywhere

[still ermine]

You have a lot of preconceived notions lol. Nobody else cares that much

[azure wharf]

[mortal silo]

it is a bit cultural. maybe not the entire shunning of slings. but asian and euro countries, i think you're much more likely to see people with bags

[azure wharf]

its one extra step, my goal is to elimate those steps. maybe to you its not weird and im not saying its that bad, yeah? especially if its smaller device and not the freaking deck, but to me i would rather not have to put my device in a bag after Every use.

[still ermine]

Well Pyra isn’t American either lol

[azure wharf]

look idk what to tell you, if i had a bag on me, i needed to put in the enterance of the house most likely i wont have backpack on me at a family bbq and then to get the device i would need to go there. its much more convenient to just.. havei to n me all the time lol

dont think its as weird as you make it out to be :p

[true cipher]

TBH the DMG doesn't look that much less pocketable than the Micro...

[still ermine]

Then just don’t play games at the family bbq? I do feel like you are making as many excuses to make this complicated as you can haha. But to each their own.

[empty scaffold]

still baffling that they didn't move the stick inwards a bit

[azure wharf]

yeah but towards the end theres some time where people are just on their phones and not talking as much and it would be nice to have a device in my pocket to play if i feel like sorry but i think you make it sounds way weirder than it is lol

its just example anyway maybe in your sepcific family it makes less sense

[azure wharf]

maybe theres more time? 🥺

[true cipher]

Why do they hate you?

[mortal silo]

they all want pockets while i have pockets as a guy but refuse to use them

[true cipher]

Oh

But yeah it's cultural

I like bags a lot

I always have either a backpack or a sling or a messenger bag on me.

A couple of decades ago people made fun of "murses" but I think that has gone away.

[azure wharf]

if im going to work i usually dont have anything to carry so itend to not have it on me. besides i did say that most of the time this is irrlevant to me as-well but yeah sometimes theres def times where i wish i had something in my pocket that i could play on 😛 and not my phone

[true cipher]

In America anyway, outside of the US it was never a thing.

[still ermine]

Anyway, people should just buy a 28xx, 35xxSP, Miyoo Mini,etc instead of this if they actually want to keep it in their pocket.

[mortal silo]

haha, i still get the man purse thing whenever i go to rural parts of america

[azure wharf]

ill buy the odin 2 mini and it wil only be in my pocket

[mortal silo]

i rotate between the 28xx/MM/pixel for pocket gadget depending on what game i'm playing

[still ermine]

With sticks?

[mortal silo]

odin 2 mini is kind of big for pocket no?

[true cipher]

RG405M for my pocket but like I said, it doesn't live there daily.

[mortal silo]

like i can't imagine shoving a ps vita into my pockets

[azure wharf]

ofc im not talking about having it all day eveyday im talking about it being an option in certain situations, even if nnot the most comfortable thing, having the ption is important and i dont think i will buy handheld that doesnt have that option, tbf. clamshells exists for that reason anyway ^^

[true cipher]

I lent my RG35XX+ to my nephew during a family gathering and now the buttons are sticky 🤢

[azure wharf]

do you really need the images of the rg556 in my pocket again? 😭

[still ermine]

So just own two devices?

[true cipher]

Yeah I hear you.

[azure wharf]

you asking what my handhelds are?

[still ermine]

I think people are chasing a device that is all things at once and it’s just impossible

[true cipher]

Own a pocketable, then own something else

[azure wharf]

the only android edvice i dont consider pocketable is the odin 2 though

and mabe the rg556

so its not an actual problem

[mortal silo]

0.0 that's impressive

[still ermine]

I don’t consider anything larger than mm+ pocketable

And sticks = not pocketable

[empty scaffold]

facts

[true cipher]

Eh, recessed sticks are fine IMO.

[mortal silo]

agree, minus the sticks part

[still ermine]

Suppose it depends on how tight your pants are

[true cipher]

IT's been a minute since I've tried protruding sticks though. The Vita does but that's a big boy.

[azure wharf]

the rg556 just takes one pocket in my jeans and it peaks out. if it didnt peak out i will have not have problem having it my pocket at all.

(but also remember that im not classifying pocketable as "i want to carry it all day in my pocket" but "i can put it in my pocket between putting in my bag and it will not be too awkward")

[still ermine]

TSP kinda fit in my back pocket but it has the tiny vita sticks

[azure wharf]

so a DSi is not pocketable to you?

[mortal silo]

fair, i'm classifying pocketable as sitting comfortably in casual pant pockets the entire day. that's realistically just the MM, 28xx, and pixel for me

[azure wharf]

yeah i dont disagree

[empty scaffold]

the trimui is decently pocketable, at least it's super flat and pretty thin

[mortal silo]

i stuff anything larger up to something like the 353m into coat pockets and such

[still ermine]

Not really no. I mean yeah it could go in a pocket but I wouldn’t want to walk around with it there for long.

[empty scaffold]

for me something pocketabke needs to live with my phone, keys and wallet somehow

[azure wharf]

i mean i have multiple pockets

[empty scaffold]

oh, and earbuds

[mortal silo]

oh man. i one of my first devices i fell in love with is the trimui model s. i wish they released the s2 version

[still ermine]

Anything bigger than this isn’t really going in my pocket more than a few minutes

Even then I have a 28xx coming to possibly replace for “pocket” use

[azure wharf]

[still ermine]

But I still appreciate a smallish device so it doesn’t take up too much space in a bag or to carry. There’s a land in between definitely needs a big case like an ally or deck and “actually fits in pocket”

The 556 is already pushing that limit, I think the o2 mini would be better in that regard

[azure wharf]

the 556 is cringe for sure

its just a mediocre device overall with very little benefits imo

[still ermine]

Have to have a bag in a bag like you said…

I think it’s better than mediocre. But I only bought it to hold me over until pocket s arrives lol.

[azure wharf]

whats good about it?

the OLED display?

[still ermine]

Screen, comfort, face buttons

[azure wharf]

Im still waiting fo a game that will impress with me on it. I had OLED for too long to get excited about how menus and UI elements

[azure wharf]

in my mind comfort =/= having good grips

which a lot of do

its a combination and controls are major key of that. i cant say the rg556 is comfortable when i dont find the dpad comfortable, or the stick fun to use.

[still ermine]

I think we’ve well established in this server that comfort is very personal

[azure wharf]

ofc! im just sharing :3

bc a device being comfortable is about it being inviting to play to me, and the rg556 isnt inviting to play when i cant think about single part of its controls that i like unfourantely 😦 even the keys dont feel nice to me

[still ermine]

I’m not that picky about controls I guess

I agree the sticks are a bummer but I’m not playing much on it that needs precision

[empty scaffold]

for me the best part about the middle tier devices is the "oh wow, i can run this game in this smallish thing" factor

[azure wharf]

its not that bad but its just counter-intituve to what makes the rg556 good imo. to me comfort is about the device being inviting to play - and the poor controls to me makes it less inviting to play.

so i dunno

[still ermine]

o2 Mini will be good for that. Near flawless gen 6 only a little bigger than a vita.

[azure wharf]

yeah but the odin 2 have its own problems

im honestly thinking about the DMG

it looks very cool

[still ermine]

I’m a little put off by 4:3 content being smaller than 3.5” on it

[empty scaffold]

yep, and switch games

[azure wharf]

it is the case for the dmg?

[still ermine]

Because of the aspect ratio it’s only 3,3 something inches for 4:3

[azure wharf]

wtf

why would they do that

💢

[still ermine]

Insane raw power to run…. Gameboy color?

[empty scaffold]

cause they wanted to make a nasa powered gameboy for no reason

they really wanted 20000x fast forward

[still ermine]

Pokémon runs just got way quicker haha

[azure wharf]

i dont really fault the chip in fact i think we need to move on to just being able to run everything and then just pick and choose what games fit the device or not

[still ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-gif-10727238677934403701

[azure wharf]

but like

wtf

how will 16:9 content will look on it?

[wary mirage]

Not gud

[azure wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/xenoblade3-mio-guh-mio-xenoblade3-xenoblade-gif-26461179

are yousure emvee

[still ermine]

The level of power is confusing when the systems using it are 16:9 and 4:3

I usually don’t pile on aya but this one is baffling. The micro makes more sense

[azure wharf]

Ehh I wouldn't be against it, again at some point we have to move on bass 🥺

But like

Damn

Are they dumb

[true cipher]

No, it's 3.7"

[still ermine]

Huh?

[true cipher]

You have the res flipped

[still ermine]

You sure? I thought it was being used portrait

[true cipher]

It's not

[still ermine]

Oh. Oops

[true cipher]

Can do this with a bit of overscan

[azure wharf]

What about stretching

[still ermine]

That’s a lot better then. I was thinking the wrong orientation I guess

[still ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/you-need-jesus-shakes-head-disapproval-gif-4797684

[azure wharf]

See the dmg have hope bass..

[still ermine]

Brb selling everything and going full Ayaneo shill.

[true cipher]

It's basically the micro for GBA and PSP

[still ermine]

So just as good as 3.5 for most things and a little better for some

[true cipher]

Yeah

And it's essentially the analogue pocket screen for gbc and gba, size wise while integer scaling

[still ermine]

Depending on what you think the true aspect of snes is too bad it’s not a perfect integer since it’s 8:7

[azure wharf]

i mean i still have a bit of hard time with it bc like

idk about you friends

[azure wharf]

but i dont want to return to GB/GBC at all

[true cipher]

Yeah

[still ermine]

😢

[azure wharf]

just stretchi t out a bit

its very close

[still ermine]

PPI is high enough I would probably not integer scale tbh

[true cipher]

If you don't integer scale it's the whole screen

True

[azure wharf]

damn

the DMG sounds great then

endgame SNES

[exotic bobcat]

What can a g99 chip play?

[true cipher]

It's certainty powerful enough for any filter

[azure wharf]

and ps2/gc/wii

and switch

[still ermine]

Up to some gen 6

[exotic bobcat]

Oh wow

[still ermine]

But mostly 5 and below

[exotic bobcat]

If this is $150-$180 I won’t be buying it but I do like the design

[still ermine]

We know it’s at least $138

Likely more

So you won’t be buying it

[exotic bobcat]

No I won’t

Oh well

Ayaneo must have deep pockets to make all these different designs and charge so much

Because who th is buying them for such high prices?

[true cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676340

[still ermine]

looks at pocket s order details