MagicX XUmini M

[cunning tangle]

also 4 inch 640x480 to capitalise on the market left by anbernic

[still cloak]

LIES I know what I want and it’s tiny GameCube plz

[cunning tangle]

but we already have Retroid Pocket 2s 😄 which is only marginally bigger and still the screen is too small for GC and PS2 content 😛

[chilly vortex]

to be honest 4" 480p might not be the most exciting thing right now. I have a feeling anbernic will make more devices with that screen

higher res 4" screen for that matter. rg406 is still planned

[still cloak]

You underestimate my ability to squint

[cunning tangle]

Hope so, and also hope it won't be only in metal or some strange successor to RG Arc without the sticks again 😛

[chilly vortex]

if it helps I think it's supposed to be plastic but don't quote me on that lol

[grim vector]

We already have devices that can play PS2 and GC at a relatively large comfy size, and realistically odds are we’ll keep recommending one of those if you put out yet another one. Go for the 3.2” and you’ll have an entire market segment to yourself for months.

[small python]

I've wanted to build one of these :). Been thinking of that list for a while. Even forgot to add something about making it so that it doesn't attract fingerprints like the RG556 🙂 .

[small python]

After 3-2.8" devices and a few 3.5" devices, I'm not sure what is inbetween. If they did this and had an ergonomics solution though.... The RG35xxSP sold a ton because it was a flip. I think there has to be more to it than just the screen size alone.

[wooden zealot]

Well it proves my thought that you were making a "my perfect X" list

[mild valley]

Throwing my two cents in that 3.5 inches and under feels too small for GC/PS2

[cursive pendant]

Frankly if it's focused on PS2 and GC playability the optimal choice would be 4" 4:3 and copy the Anbernic RG Cube in design. If the Cube was 4:3, used Linux, and wasn't priced as high, then it would of been much better. Also we don't need LED's draining battery and increasing costs. No bad cardinal snapping analog sticks or really loud buttons.

[steady spruce]

I’d really love it if there was 4-5 inch 1024x768 screen.

[sly ravine]

If it can handle ps2 and gc, would ps vita from vita 3k be installable? (like on my retroid flip)? Cuz if so, we could have Mortal Kombat 9 (probs the best mk) in pocketable form…

If it’s 3.2”

[amber kestrel]

I just want a stickless 1:1 with a banger dpad (sega disc style?)

for arcade

[upper aspen]

I'm with everyone who said 3.2, but I want it to have 6 face buttons (for obvious reasons), but here's my controversial hot take, I want that 3.2 screen to be able to slide up, and tilt forward ( similar to the Aya Neo slide) to reveal a 2.8 TOUCH SCREEN, I mean you said it yourself that it would run up til 3DS and a small 3.2 screen wont cut it. And obviously don't forget the sticks

So basically a dual screened (a 3.2 and a 2.8 touchscreen for DS and 3DS), with 6 face buttons (Genesis and N64), with 2 sticks

[chilly vortex]

now that's a fun idea. I'd totally buy something exactly like that

too bad it'll never happen 😔

but hey like I said go all out while they're listening and maybe they'll make handhelds with half of the crazy ideas we suggest

[stuck prism]

The 3.2 " 1024x768 screen option is the most attractive to me and I will definitely buy it when it comes out

[upper aspen]

Yeah man, this is why, I normally photoshop the designs of certain products when I have to the time to help show these guys how it would look, maybe one of them would notice and actually make it

[queen loom]

That's about how big the screen is on RG Cube with the black bars and it looks fine to me

I even play DS with equal screen sizes. It's fine.

[dusty wren]

these pictures never include equal size screens with screen gap tbh, when most games that are best with equal screens are best with a screen gap too

[queen loom]

To be fair these were the layouts it had coming out of the factory. You had to make your own with a gap.

[dusty wren]

fair enough i guess

[amber kestrel]

We need a 3:4 device for tate arcade and NDS

I mean hell, for NDS with the gap you want 9:16 or so

Loads of android native pinball etc games that would work well on 9:16 too

Even some switch indies

[proper quarry]

I bet they regret asking the question now 🤣

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpsons-car-gif-8120474

[cunning tangle]

I think DS is not a good example as the games were made with small screen in mind, just like gb,gbc and gba

Sean when do you expect to annouce them? 🙂

[queen loom]

I shared it to show that these are the kinds of sizes you'd expect for PS2 and GameCube games letterboxed on the Cube, and it works fine.

[sinful elk]

4 inch 720x720, with as thin bezzels on top and bottom as possible, so the device is pocketable, still has more then 3 inches available for ps2 and gc while also being good for 3ds/nds without widescreen that would make it not pocketable

[bronze eagle]

tbf theres a dozen devices with screens of 4 inches plus that can go GC/PS2/3DS etc...

Smaller devices? Nope. a 3.2 inch display handheld with that kind of capability would be a class of it's own

Plus the 1024x768 screen means that higher end ports or Android games would run great. Imagine AM2R, or Morrowind running in it's original native resolution.

And it all actually fits in a pocket and can be taken out and used. All the 'pocketable' devices for me are all basically backpack devices if they're bigger than a 35xx.

[sinful elk]

4 inch 1:1 wouldnt take any more horizontal space compared to 4:3 3.2inch and would make it possible to play nds/3ds ganes which will be impossible on the 3.2. and the system he says is linux, so what are you on with android games

[bronze eagle]

0.8' inch is actually fairly large when we're talking smaller devices. My RGB30 is tall enough it doesn't really fit in a pocket

If you want a 4 inch 1:1 that can do that stuff, there's the RG Cube. There's nothing small that can do those sorts of things

Fair few Android games have portmaster ports, iirc. And 3.2 inches is more than enough for games that can be played single screen, like Samus Returns

[sinful elk]

ok, so you just gonna ignore the image and the fact that the 4:3 screen will leave unused space on top and botom ov the device that the 1:1 would use better and go on about android. and yeah if i wanted fucking android i would go with rg cube, i dont want android and im interested in to this because LINUX. rg cube with linux would be perfect, since its very pocketable at 15x9x2cm, and it wouldnt be any smaller if it had a 3.5" 4:3 screen because you need the vertical size to fit the controls

rg cube is barely any bigger then rg35xx h because the 1:1 screen is so much better use of space

[bronze eagle]

I own the RGB30 bro, I am telling you know it is substially taller than a 3.5 inch horizontal lol, which makes it difficult to carry around. It's taller than my 405m which has a 4 inch screen lol

No need to take someone wanting something nice, small, and powerful quite that personally. I didn't swear at you.

[sinful elk]

i own rgb30 as well, at its longest its 145mm, same as 3.5 inch rg35xxh

[bronze eagle]

Personally I don't give two hoots what flavour of Unix runs on these devices, whether it's a hackjob, or minty green corporate flavoured, I want to play games on them.

[sinful elk]

this device has zero chance of being shorter then 15cm, no matter the screen size

so why not use the real-estate in a best way possible

[bronze eagle]

Like, length or height? I'm talking about how tall the devices are

[sinful elk]

so you want ultra cramped controls where the sticks are basically on the dpad/buttons?

and a device that has a space for maybe 3000mah battery

[bronze eagle]

The RGB30 is quite a bit taller than other devices, and it's because of that 1:1 screen...? Like that's just a fact.

Length wise I don't see why a 3.2 inch device would be 15cm long. But even something that long would be the smallest device with that kind of power

[bronze eagle]

have you seen the pictures of the device in the thread we're posting in?

[sinful elk]

thats a different device

with a much weaker cpu

and a 2.8 screen

[bronze eagle]

I like my micros. They're the devices I actually use, they're the devices that get taken with me. That the most powerful device available in the microspace barely runs Dreamcast is a bit of a disappointment

[sinful elk]

the ps2/gc one wont be micro no matter the screen they use

[bronze eagle]

this may be difficult for you to accept, but some people want different things out of their aliexpress chinese gameboys than you do

[bronze eagle]

a 3.2 inch machine is still a hell of a lot smaller than anything else on the market capable of doing such things

a 3000mAH battery? Eh, as long as I'm getting some quick Metroid Prime in standing in a queue who cares

[sinful elk]

you are not taking in to consideration that this device will not be smaller with a 4 inch or 3.2 inch screen due to hardware constraints like the pcb, cooling, battery, controlls etc

[bronze eagle]

I'm not a hardware engineer, no. I'm a person giving feedback on a theoretical device that I'd like to see.

(and if unihertz can shove a Helio G99 into a 3 inch 95.1 × 49.6 × 18.7 mm phone, we're good)

[sinful elk]

i guarantee that if this device comes out with the 3.2 screen we will see that there would have been enough room for the 4inch 1:1

and that will be a shame

[bronze eagle]

both screens demand a completely diffent shaped device/form factor.

You might think it's a shame, I will be adding it to cart

[sinful elk]

even if its 15x9cm with 3.2 screen?

[bronze eagle]

You don't know that. No idea even of what the chip will be or the thermals

[sinful elk]

i dont, but humor me

[bronze eagle]

i mean the gameboy advance is 145mm by 82mm, with a 2.9 inch screen. You telling me I get something that size and it runs GameCube games? Yes please

[sinful elk]

15x9cm is the size of rg cube

but you would rather have 3.2inch screen on rg cube

then 1:1 4 inch

[bronze eagle]

RG cube has grips on the back and trigger shoulders, that's not going in a pocket any time soon

a 1:1 device is taller than a 4:3 device, it's just the way they work?

[sinful elk]

you say you would be happy with a 15x9cm device, but just as long as they waste vertical space with a 3.2inch 4:3 screen, got it

[bronze eagle]

Like you're so convinced that you're right, you won't even acknowledge that someone might want a smaller device, but you're so convinced you've already seen the spec sheet, you're sitting there insisting it's going to be some arbitrary length and size, so it should just have a 1:1 screen and anyone who disagrees is wrong

[sinful elk]

even thou the device would fit 4" 1:1 no problem

[bronze eagle]

I mean bro

[sinful elk]

but you said you would be fine with a device that size

[bronze eagle]

I hope it ships with the Funkey Screen on a 15x9 device, 1:1 240x240 GameCube, sign me up Boris

I would be. It's the same size as a GBA.

1.5 inches of half resolution PS2, lets go

[sinful elk]

if this device cannot be less then 15x9cm due to internals, would you rather have the 3.2 on it or the 4

cos then it doesnt change the device size at all

[bronze eagle]

This is a silly argument because screen size changes device size. That's just a fact lol

and even if that's the case, I wouldn't want it to be 1:1 because nothing that isn't from the stoneage scales that well to it. It's a waste

[sinful elk]

there is a minimum size of the device which is realistically with this hardware somwhere in the 15x(8-10)cm, so the size of the device does not nesecarily change with a smaller screen

[bronze eagle]

You don't even know what the hardware is.

And Unihertz are shoving Helio G99s into 3 inch tiny phones that are half the size of 15x9 devices

[sinful elk]

with linux and ps2 announced, it would probably be rk3588 or equivalent

[bronze eagle]

We don't know anything until they release information about this hypothetical device, so maybe you should leave me to my dreams of something that borders on micro that can do a lot more than Dreamcast?

This is the rumour mill, after all

[bronze eagle]

yeah or it could be some random souped up security camera chip they found a good deal for on wholesale, you don't know that

[sinful elk]

so that phone is already 10x5cm with no controlls and a 2000mah battery that would give us an hour of game time, who the fuck would but that, once you add the controlls and a 5000-6000mah battery that is a reasonable minimum see what size you get then

[bronze eagle]

for some of us, an hour, bare minimum controls and a good sleep mode is all we really want. The Funkey S has like a 400mAh battery, that was still my first daily carry

[sinful elk]

no one is making a device for 3 of you

[bronze eagle]

us micro enthusiasts are a small but dedicated group

[sinful elk]

i have rg nano on my keys and you are being riddiculous

[bronze eagle]

I also have an rg nano, it's pretty awesome. It's a chonk

I'm not sitting around hardcore gaming on a small device, I have an Odin 2 or my PC for that. But a small device is what actually leaves the house and goes to work or the DMV with me. Ten minutes here and there is more than enough, and it stops me doomscrolling.

[sinful elk]

that what ill be buying xumini m for, you aint getting ps2/gc in that size tho, no way

[bronze eagle]

I'll wait and see, and hope.

Also presuming Moore's Law doesn't run out, I think you'll see a micro device running GameCube games by the end of the decade lol, it's an inevitability

[sinful elk]

you realise if this is the smallest ayaneo managed to make it with 3.5" screen, and this will be hundreds of USD

[bronze eagle]

I'm choosing to wait instead of making prejudgements

anyway this is a very daft argument and I need to gym. enjoy your handhelds

[red tapir]

anyway, if the wishlist is still going i would love to see an easy access to the battery Gameboy/psp style

[buoyant creek]

where aliexpress/taobao link

[trim atlas]

how about swappable batteries like an xbox controller
give it a tiny rechargable internal to keep it live while you swap batteries 😄

[jaunty shale]

I would love a 3.2" linux device with more power and 1024x768 resolution 🙏

[sinful elk]

as long as it fits within these specs ill buy one:
for 3.2inch, 140x60x15mm max, at least 4000mah battery

for 4inch 1:1, 150x90ishx20mm, 5000mah battery

for 5inch horizontal, 200x90x20mm max, 7000mah battery

and now, hear me out, 5inch screen turned 90 degrees, dont care about size or battery size, just take my money

[acoustic fable]

If it’s possible to source enough of them, I think what would be a really neat idea is if you actually went with a lower resolution and did something like the 4.3” 800x480 screen that the PSPi uses. https://www.buydisplay.com/4-3-800x480-ips-tft-lcd-module-all-viewing-optl-touchscreen-display

[acoustic fable]

You’d be able to have a screen that can handle Widescreen pretty well, it would be integer scaled not just for GBA (since the GBA is 160p, so it scales to 720x480 for 3x integer scaling), but also most of the 3D home consoles since they were either 240p or 480p (or they were interlaced outputs that already scaled well with those 2), only consoles that wouldn’t be as great would be stuff like the SNES and NES since those were very unusual consoles in that regard.

[acoustic fable]

And the best part is that it would be 5:3, so it would handle most screen layouts very well and have the same aspect ratio that made the RG552 appealing.

[acoustic fable]

Best part of all is that this screen is already flat out guaranteed to fit a PSP-sized device (since it’s literally the screen used in the PSPi build), so it’s not like it wouldn’t be possible to use in a pocketable handheld.

[still cloak]

Bro asked us a multiple choice question about a screen and we collectively wrote him a dissertation

[acoustic fable]

To be fair, my suggestion isn’t any of the options but a different one that doesn’t match any of the given ones.

Particularly since I only now realized the fact that the 800x480 layout would be 5:3 (never really did the mental math for the aspect ratio until recently), and that these screens can be legit really damn cheap when you get them in bulk (which is what a company making handhelds would be getting regardless).

[still cloak]

I’m not picking on you specifically, but that is kinda exactly my point 😅 he gave us 5 options for screen specs and we collectively appointed ourselves to design the whole handheld without constraining ourselves to the choices he presented. I’m not hating on the suggestions, it’s a lot of fun, especially since we have a the ear of a vendor who is uncharacteristically communicative and receptive to customer suggestions, but I kinda feel like maybe we misunderstood the assignment

[acoustic fable]

Yeah, that I agree with that in regard to the other suggestions. I just wanted to shoot the recommendation and the reasoning, since we have one of the only people willing to listen to suggestions before designing anything, and it definitely would be a unique screen that normally isn’t a common pick.

[sinful elk]

problem is we havent been given enough information to judge, for instance what the minimum size of the handheld is, what i really dont want is a wasted space that could have fit a bigger screen

[still cloak]

Also a valid concern! No point in tiny screen if device not tiny

[trim sorrel]

So is this getting released tomorrow or on the 20th?

[wooden zealot]

your guess is as good as mine

[covert crater]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-window-goofy-silly-gif-5917292017814590197

[grim vector]

They don’t have their own storefront, so it’s basically whenever the AliExpress store partners get their stock in and start selling it.

[jaunty shale]

I guess the powkiddy store and gogamegeek will get some too?

[jaunty shale]

a 5 inch display would be greatly appreciated

[obtuse root]

Yeah, been waiting for this device for awhile now. But I can wait as long as it's as good as it seems!

[oak atlas]

Because the material of the machine rope ordered by the agent is not good enough. It wasn't up to the standard we expected and needed to make a new batch, so it had to be postponed for a few days. 😭

[lime scarab]

My eyes are old, need a minimum 4" for 1:1 and 4:3, and 5" 16:9.

[oak atlas]

Product family portrait

[sinful elk]

can i tell you a little secret? no one here wants or cares about a lanyard.

[shadow solar]

Does it come with a screen protector pre-applied?

[trim sorrel]

Do you think they would be available before the 20th?

[oak atlas]

Screen protector comes pre-installed. Players need to tear it off by themselves. There is also a screen protector (similar to glass material). You need to choose whether to wear it or not.

[shadow solar]

I don't understand, why would you need to tear off the screen protector?

Do you mean one is a plastic film and the other is glass?

[oak atlas]

Default sticker on the original screen, anti-scratch and anti-fingerprint.

[red tapir]

does the handled have rtc?

[hardy berry]

I use lanyards. I miss the days of when handhelds had attachment for that.

[shadow solar]

Thanks, so we get 1 protector pre-applied plus 1 protector in the box. Nice!

[pallid harness]

With the delays, are we more prepared to launch with aliexpress sellers? Or will there still be a slight delay until they are ready?

[green gulch]

Please make it available until the end of this month cause the taxes will get higher for Brazil next month!

[small python]

Didh't realize pokiddy was working on a 3.2" too https://retrohandhelds.gg/powkiddy-rgb20-pro-enters-testing-stages/ MagicX as well https://retrohandhelds.gg/magicx-xu-hd-announcement/

[oak atlas]

What percentage of tariffs are required for products under $50?

[jaunty shale]

Yes. I hope we see something from the XU HD soon. I need my small vertical handheld fix

[oak atlas]

It is expected to be in the middle of next month and is still under development.

I am referring to the engineering machine video

[red tapir]

it depends, in uk you pay only the vat under £120

sorry what i mean is you pay the vat if the item is under 120(if I'm not mistaken)
if it is over that number you pay vat+customs

[obtuse root]

So is it coming a few days from now, then?

[still cloak]

So does this mean it will be up for sale on the 20th as the video description stated, or do you mean it will be later than that?

[lime scarab]

Anybody here against lanyards has never played their device standing over a concrete floor.

[pallid harness]

Absolutely no idea 🥲

[pure carbon]

It's always nice to have lanyards

[bronze eagle]

trimui smart can survive a concrete floor tho

[sinful elk]

im not against lanyards(tho there are better solutions as far as im concerned) but i have tons of them already, more then i need for the rest of my life, i dont need another one

[trim atlas]

You can just eat the lanyard if you don't want it

[snow falcon]

Is this still releasing on the 20th?

[muted herald]

Mine went through the laundry... it did crack the screen, but otherwise worked fine. Popped in a new screen and it's as good as new.

[bronze eagle]

I dropped mine on asphalt

[stoic ether]

Hoooray! I say it’s time for the 5 inch and 5.5. This will be running the same chip as the XU Mini right?

Also. #1230446912235245648 message Manifesting 🤣🤣🤣

[sinful elk]

cant be same chip if its ps2 ngc 3ds, cheapest chips that can handle MOST of that are s922x(hope not cos no sleep support from cfw) and rk3588

[stoic ether]

oh I missed that, yeah if it’s the same chip it’s gonna be bad for ps2 gc 3ds

[obtuse root]

2 days 👀

[still cloak]

*supposedly

[covert crater]

https://tenor.com/view/mjthoon-gif-19056034

[obtuse root]

Mini handheld ape escape let's goooo

[snow falcon]

I'm tempted to order this on Saturday. What is the OS like on the XU10?

[void nest]

This is a different os, XU10 ran a skinned version of amberelec, I'm pretty sure this runs ArkOS judging by the little watermark on the right edge of the screen in this photo

[still cloak]

Nah, I believe the ArkOS branding is just part of that theme. Sean has said that this will run a closed source firmware based on amberelec and batocera

[void nest]

Maybe it is similar to the amberelec version on the xu10, if it is, them we might be able to get access to the full emulationstation UI.

[snow falcon]

Nice, well I might take a gamble on it. Especially since my a30 broke already lol

[green gulch]

And people complain about Anbernic... Miyoo was so good in the beginning. What a shame!

[green gulch]

I don't know if I buy this or save some money to get a RG Cube instead. Decisions, decisions...

[snow falcon]

It’s okay, I still love Miyoo. My MM+ has been even been to Japan with me twice and still going strong…I think I just had bad luck. The screen broke when I dropped it about a foot and a half on carpet 💀

[stoic ether]

mainly batocera since it’s an rk356x

[green gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/just-one-just-one-more-day-one-more-day-just-one-more-minions-gif-11952025

[bronze eagle]

I've had about 5 Miyoos. First mini I had the speaker crapped out and started giving me static. Second the buttons started getting stuck. My MM+ had speaker issues with SNES. My other two minis are fine, I though I use the v4 one for that GBA scaling more than I do the v3

Meanwhile the 351m I bought 3 years ago still works like a champ

[obtuse root]

Ive had 2 miyoo minis, first one i sold because the V2 came out and the buttons felt icky on the OG. And my V2 transparent blue has been perfect ever since. My mini+ is also pretty good.

[bronze eagle]

yeah both mine that shit the bed were v1s
I'm not sure what's up with my mini+, the sound is OK on GBA etc, but doesn't like SNES for some reason

I bought an 35xx when I couldn't get a MM+ at launch to 'tide me over', when the MM+ finally turned up I was like 'why did I buy this?'

If this is any good my 28xx is going to end up in the same situation lmao

[visual escarp]

That must be a software issue, to impact only one console.

[timid shadow]

I love the look of this XU mini! Any chance you'll release a transparent orange version, like the N64 Fire Orange console? I'd be willing to pay extra if that option was available. (Or even if I had to pay extra for a custom shell, I'd be happy to do so! Please DM me if this is possible). Cheers

[summer grotto]

its the 20th in China? anywhere for sale yet?

[hardy berry]

He promised to link reputable seller the moment it goes up

So any moment. Sadly i have to get some shuteye

Dont buy all of them, save one for me 😛

[bronze eagle]

I've tried both Onion and MinUI, it still plays up. I couldn't really be bothered with it when the rg35xx was basically the same thing and wasn't causing a fuss

[green gulch]

Save one for all of us here please lol

I want the orange color btw 👌🏻

[snow falcon]

I'm ready to grab one of these as well! I'll leave the orange for you all and grab a boring and less distracting colour 😅

Did Sean confirm it's today? Last I heard it was delayed due to lanyards

[wild tendon]

tbh they could just put up the listing for purchase but ship later...

[snow falcon]

lmao I'm not THAT thirsty, I can wait

[green gulch]

Oh please, share the link to buy it already @oak atlas

[wooden zealot]

I am, I've been waiting for SO LONG FOR A MINI HANDHELD WITH BEYOND 3326 power

the 28XX was damn close for me but I feel without sticks the power is kinda wasted

[snow falcon]

Don't get me wrong, I'm hyped too. But I assume we all have tons of stuff to play...I have a steam deck oled and mm+ sitting on my desk here and a nice crt with modded saturn and psx hooked up next to me.

I'd rather have them take their time than rush out units with qc issues

[wooden zealot]

oh yeah I'm not that in a rush more I'd like to see it come out before the end of summer

[valid inlet]

Did the xu10 have any hardware/QC issues? Only thing I can remember is the os being locked down

[wild tendon]

most of the review I saw is that XU10 is surprisingly good for its price

[bronze eagle]

Out of all the RGB20 clones it's widely regarded as the best one

[valid inlet]

I suppose that's not a high bar to clear but its good to hear

Having Sean here posting stuff and answering questions is the big draw for me, always nice to get a look behind the scenes

[oak atlas]

The goods have been sent to AliExpress for review, but maybe because of the weekend, the review has not been successful yet.

Since the price is US$49, AliExpress does not allow agents to do full pallet delivery. Therefore, half pallet delivery will be used.

According to the current progress, it is expected that the product link will not be provided until July 25.

[halcyon oriole]

Thank you so much for you transparency. Looking forward to it!

[jaunty shale]

5 days ain't the end of the world

[cunning mantle]

it was 5 days few weeks ago 😄

[snow falcon]

Thanks for the update! Excited to grab one of these this week.

[cursive pendant]

$49 for this? You have my attention as long as Ampown doesn't pull that crap Anbernic does and charge fake $12 shipping costs to exploit impatient customers.

[wooden zealot]

even for $62 this would be solid

[cunning mantle]

dont give them these ideas! 😛

[sinful elk]

its gonna be about 60 for us in EU, but as long as it has Choice shipping im happy enough

[snow falcon]

I’m just hoping someone is selling it that ships to Canada. A lot of aliexpress stores have stopped shipping here, even ones I’ve bought from before 🫠

[wooden zealot]

Does go game geek sell to Canada?

[nova isle]

I'm definitely ordering one of these when available.

[oak atlas]

If you are interested in XU HD, you can check out this video. It uses the same SOC as XU HD.
https://youtu.be/Tjv3ofUXrII

[sinful elk]

this thing is only showing psp, n64, DC and DS, isnt XU HD targeting PS2, GC and 3DS? edit: scratch that, mixed up xu hd and the other thing meant for ps2 ETC.

btw @oak atlas since the firmware on the mini wont be open source, any chance its coming with portmaster by default?

[obtuse root]

4 days now lol!

[wooden zealot]

Get that with open source firmware and you have a sale from me at the very least

[cursive pendant]

I really don't understand the closed source firmware anymore. Onion is the reason for a large amount of Miyoo Mini/+ sales and Garlic did the same thing for the OG RG35XX.

Clones are not an excuse. The secret to avoiding clones outselling you is to just make a good product and work with the community, then the clone maker comes off as the bad guy. Even people in China are getting to the point where they don't appreciate when a Chinese Company knocks off another Chinese company product(when it's good).

[wooden zealot]

ArkOS probably helped people buy 3326 handhelds back in the day (like 3 years ago)

[green gulch]

And still does like the R36S. A device not so powerful but you can play it with several custom firmwares!

[obtuse root]

3ish days

[snow falcon]

How well do we think this chip will play dreamcast and n64? Full speed with minimal frameskip?

[shadow solar]

I'd guess about 75% of N64 decently, the rest with some glitches or slowdown

[cunning mantle]

probably similar to rk3566, depends whether the actual cpu frequency is truly higher to compensate a bit for older architecture

[oak heath]

I think it will probably depend just as much on the thermals. The cpu could be a higher frequency, but if there isn’t good airflow/heatsink, that just means that thermal throttling will kick in faster.
Still, if it even matches the h700 performance, it’ll still be solidly in a niche of micro handheld with good sticks that can play more n64 than the a30 because of chip power and more than the rg28xx because it has sticks at all.

[obtuse root]

2 days

[still cloak]

I’m getting deja vu 🥲

[pure carbon]

2 days til the next 5 day delay

[obtuse root]

Yeah I know. But eventually it will happen I hope xD

[vague hedge]

Just a question... Open source?

[still cloak]

Not immediately, but supposedly down the line there will be an open source OS. We shall see.

[junior delta]

<t:1721942195:R> the XUmini M should come out?

[short berry]

they said they sent it to the aliexpress shop

should be listed in two days

[junior delta]

<t:1721942195>

[short berry]

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[nova isle]

Is this a Miyoo situation or is it actually coming out soon?

[wooden zealot]

it's further than Miyoo because stock got sent to sellers

[short berry]

And they’ve shared videos of it and announced it officially

And given us a price

And specs

And, you know, an actual date.

[wooden zealot]

and I might be getting in a preorder for it

[obtuse root]

I don't think it's a preorder thing I think it's just coming out afaik

[dim imp]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-11625313334009911234

It's been the 25th for a while now here in Australia

[pure carbon]

it's 25th in China too

11:19 am

no idea when ali updates tho

[halcyon oriole]

It's been 25th here in Japan as well

[vague hedge]

It’s 25th here in France too. Do you have the link to the official store?

[wild tendon]

Australia you need to chill you're always the earlieest lolll

[halcyon oriole]

I guess no update for today :((

[sinful elk]

it is 24th only in Hawaii, 25th everywhere else at this point

[obtuse root]

It's the 25th in the eastern time zone almost 6am

[sinful elk]

19min till its 25th in the last time zone

[wild tendon]

1 more min to 25th July worldwide

[obtuse root]

Well

https://tenor.com/view/bring-it-on-baby-bringit-gif-23259589

[vague hedge]

I hope they don't tease like Powkiddy 😅

[covert crater]

https://tenor.com/view/no-soup-for-you-soup-no-soup-gif-11066779

[still cloak]

To be fair… he did say expected July 25 🥲

[lusty cairn]

Well they say if you lower your expectations you can't be disappointed 😭

[dim imp]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mss9Nmu

It's up

[jaunty shale]

Dang 'not available in your country'

[dim imp]

If you search for XU Mini M on AliExpress does it come up for you? The store that's listing it is called Ampown Store

It says there's around 100 available in each colour

[still cloak]

I think 200 each, it’s split evenly between the two sd card options

[jaunty shale]

No luck sadly. I have to wait until it shows up somewhere else

[still cloak]

Hmm, orange or black… orange looks spiffy, but wife is less likely to notice a new black device

[vague hedge]

Same 😐

[summer grotto]

Yep I just ordered I went for orange

Use code joe9 to save $9

[dim imp]

Ah, that makes more sense

I went for the clear black

[dim imp]

This is the link to their storefront in case the other link I posted isn't working:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1102182109

It should be in the New Arrivals section.

[queen loom]

Ordered! I'd fully intended to go for orange, but I decided on clear black instead. Also the code joe9 totally did work. Thanks @summer grotto !

(Yes, yes, I went for the 128GB one)

[lusty cairn]

There was a code? 😭

[queen loom]

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[lusty cairn]

Does this mean the price is going to go up soon?

[oak atlas]

Sorry to keep everyone waiting.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/info/1005007440395191.html
Follow the store fans for an extra 1% discount

[lusty cairn]

I see that now. I bought it before the code was posted 😅

[grim arrow]

was curious how this might stack up to 28xx

[queen loom]

I'm glad I waffled on color choices or else I would have missed it

[vague hedge]

Why no ship to Europe ?

[oak atlas]

There is one more news.
The price will be higher in a few days because AliExpress does not allow new products to be priced so low from the beginning.

It is speculated that it may be within $60 in a few days.

Unless AliExpress has a promotion. The price may be lower this way.

[dim imp]

Interesting, I assume the price will go back down eventually?

[oak atlas]

I am simply informing you of the news I have received. You have better ideas of your own.

[summer grotto]

Do you know who put together the games that's on the card was it you guys or did Amp on do that

[sinful elk]

is this not available for Germany/EU???

[oak atlas]

It may take some time

[oak atlas]

They are all left to third-party companies to be responsible for the selection.

[jaunty shale]

Any chane that the powkiddy store or gogamegeek will get some too?

[oak atlas]

Maybe.

I also need to select some youtube authors these days. Let them review

[summer grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/@deadfred69

[green gulch]

Unfortunately I won't be able to buy it cause it's not under the $50 required by the brazilian government 😦

[still cloak]

I think @eternal yew from Retro Handhelds would be a good reviewer for your device. And Dead Fred as mentioned above. I would advise skipping Joey’s Retro Handhelds only because he specifically does not like mini devices like this.

[eternal yew]

I appreciate that Ry. Sean, I'd love to evaluate the XUmini M if you have a spare. 🍻

[tepid torrent]

I'll be buying one to look at it for the RH website

[junior delta]

what color?

[tepid torrent]

Orange

[junior delta]

I think that is the best color.

[tepid torrent]

It's my favorite one for sure

[green gulch]

Orange is cool. I also love it!

[sinful elk]

is there any stock going to any sellers that ship to EU right now or is it just future plans?

[wooden zealot]

Ordered

[cunning mantle]

wth is "kwai" 😄

[cunning mantle]

whats kwai is that I cant order one, though waiting for review is probably wise

[green gulch]

How's the performance of this chip? Is it better than the RG28XX regarding DC and N64?

[wooden zealot]

in theory it should be either on par or a smidge better because it's using a little sibling chip to the 3566

[cunning mantle]

unless it ends up thermal throttling

[still cloak]

@eternal yew You’re the obvious choice man. I love your lower-priced device reviews in particular. Also, I’m waiting on that MagicX redemption arc after the audio issues with your XU10

[wooden zealot]

yeah

I'm hoping for it to be around the performance between the 3326 and the H700 so it'd be a great micro PSX machine

[still cloak]

I’m thinking “quick” or “sharp”

[queen loom]

At the very least, there seems to be some vent holes on the back of this thing. I don't think there's a fan, but still, it should fare slightly better than fully enclosed.

[tepid torrent]

I'm in

[wooden zealot]

I would've gotten that orange if it had skittles

[cunning mantle]

thats good, so we wont have the r33s situation, where that things cooks itself almost instantly if you try something more demanding

[tepid torrent]

I like the white and orange vibe personally

[still cloak]

See I kinda felt that way too but the skittles aren’t even the right shade, so I don’t feel like I’ll miss them

[vague hedge]

if no delivery for Europe, I will have to buy an anbernic... no, I'm kidding 🙃

[wooden zealot]

the R33S had the 3326 right? if so that chip runs notably warmer than the 3566 did and I'm hoping the 3562 runs a smidgen cooler than its older brother

[cunning mantle]

yeah and it was in MM+ shell which has totally no ventilation, which was fine for that sigmastar crap

[sour echo]

damm Europe is left out again

[wooden zealot]

looks at my RGB10

[cunning mantle]

plus 3326 is on quite older node, so it might be fine here

[wooden zealot]

don't mind me feeling nostalgic for the RGB10

[still cloak]

@oak atlas are there two TF slots or is that a mistake in this render?

[eternal yew]

Appreciate that! Yeah i'm still a fan of that one minus my one-off QC issue, I have a replacement now, I can talk about it during the next MagicX review 😄

Also here's the RH buy link if anyone is interested:

https://rh-go.link/XU-Mini-M_AE

Code "joe9" takes $9 off for US buyers (thanks DeadFred!)

[cunning mantle]

at least it had better dpad than the OGA 😄

[wooden zealot]

the RGB10 has my favorite membrane Dpad of all the emulation handhelds I've used

[eternal yew]

Easy, just buy 2 and do a button swap

[wooden zealot]

I don't have that level of income

though I did think of it

my delivery guesstimate for my unit is around 2 weeks

[eternal yew]

Yeah I was just being silly. Please do not buy 2 just for a button swap 😄

[wooden zealot]

Don't tempt me, nerd

[eternal yew]

Maybe we can buy buttons seperate though?

[wooden zealot]

replacement shells in more colors

[snow falcon]

Is there a code that works in Canada?

[junior notch]

Interested as well, Canadian here

[eternal yew]

@oak atlas are there any non US discount codes available?

[junior notch]

Im so torn between black and grey. I was really hoping we would get the clear one that we saw in pictures ! It was my dream shell

🥹🥰

[obtuse root]

Yay! Ordered mine in transparent black!

First thing I'm playing on it is ape escape

[snow falcon]

I'm just hoping it can play Wave Race 64 full speed 🙂

Okay I bought a black one. Couldn't say no to this lil guy with hall effect sticks! Hope it's as nice as it looks.

[shadow solar]

Is there a code that works for Europe?
When I enter joe9, it just says that that code is not applicable in my country or region.

$43 is a steal for this, I can only get the $51 price.

[snow falcon]

If you scroll up a bit stubbs asked sean if there are any non US codes available so just waiting on that. Though I went ahead and got it anyways 🙈

[shadow solar]

Thanks. It's in the middle of the night now in China, so probably won't get an answer in the next few hours

[sinful elk]

how are you even ordering it from Europe? what country?

[shadow solar]

Switzerland

same link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007440395191.html

[sinful elk]

so close, maybe should have accepted the job offer i had from there few months ago, at least i could have ordered this then

[shadow solar]

are you living in one of our neighboring countries?

[sinful elk]

Hessen, Germany

[hardy berry]

Suizze aint Europe 😛

Now you need to order for all of europe. Giant bulk order. xD

[shy dagger]

Yea I couldn’t pass it up at this price, gonna hang it up on display using the lanyard

[shadow solar]

ordered 🎉

[snow falcon]

haha nice, glad I wasn't the only one that couldn't wait to see if there was a coupon code 😅

[short berry]

looking forward to seeing a review or two of this

[normal linden]

Awwww man. Can’t buy from UK

[lethal quarry]

Yeah I can’t get any links to work either, I guess we’ll have to wait

[green gulch]

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@snow falcon

N64 performance will be similar to the RG28XX. A little bit more powerful though

[trail verge]

I bought one

@tepid torrent

My ride or die homie

[tepid torrent]

I already bought one, Which color did you get

[trail verge]

Orange

[snow falcon]

Couldn't find any videos of it running Wave Race though sounds likely it will

[green gulch]

N64 runs quite well with the RG35XXSP

[shadow solar]

mario tennis is the ultimate n64 test for me, so far no cheap handheld can do it well

Taki's FPGA handheld might be the first affordable option to pass that test

[green gulch]

This game is hard to emulate. But Mario Golf plays great!

[green gulch]

This one sounds interesting!

[shadow solar]

sure does, I just hope the screen won't be too big

or rather, the bezel 🙂 Just make the device somewhat compact

[green gulch]

Large bezels is the worst thing ever in a portable device lol

[obtuse root]

@shadow solar I mean they're fairly large I suppose but not a deal breaker I would say

[tepid torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

[grim vector]

Think they were specifically saying that in reference to the Taki FPGA handheld conversation, since we don’t know what that device looks like yet. The XU Mini bezels are largely inoffensive.

[lusty cairn]

@oak atlas will there be a PDF of the manual for the XU Mini M available?

[chilly vortex]

peeps actually read those? 😆

jk it's a good look for any handheld to come with one

[trail verge]

Sometimes it's needed, especially for devices that don't use volume buttons (not naming any names).

[shadow solar]

yes, exactly! we don't know almost anything about Taki's handheld yet.

[visual escarp]

Nor UK it seems. Maybe better this way, we can see reviews first 😅

[ionic elm]

RIP EU - THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US 😦

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-mj-they-dont-really-care-about-us-they-dont-care-dont-care-gif-4996740

[upper aspen]

Man I wish you have an official store In one of the online shopping platforms popular here in SEA so that I can do Cash on Delivery

[junior delta]

CoD there is a dead term from the 90s

[trail verge]

That’s how I send packages to Ban

[junior delta]

Is he old enought to know how that works?

[trail verge]

[junior delta]

I am like very old. I still kind of never understood it.

[upper aspen]

Shit man where I'm at right now it's pretty much alive

[halcyon oriole]

Damn I'm torn between black and grey. I see more people getting the black one

[wild tendon]

well well well is it still 25th july on some part of the world?

[acoustic patio]

What exactly makes this stand out?

[snow falcon]

Is there somewhere to download the OS? I would like to use my own microsd when mine arrives. Or will I just have to back up the one that comes with it and copy it to a new one?

[wet basin]

Damn it.....I don't need it....I don't need it.....(nervously holding finger over paypal button)

[valid inlet]

you don't need it

sorry sean

[wild tendon]

no one really need it, but you have to keep a part of history with you

[acoustic patio]

No I mean genuinely is there anything particularly special here?

[wild tendon]

i would say the small portable size but comes with full control layout including joystick

[covert crater]

And rk3562 chipset (a fancy different version of 3566)

All while tagging the micro handheld spot of 2.8”. So I guess lots, it should be a top contender for performance, as well as inputs with dual analogs (so long as it’s all executed well)

A30 and 28xx have been put on notice… whether they can be dethroned, remains to be seen

[acoustic patio]

Gotcha, thanks for the info

[snow falcon]

Hall effect sticks as well. It seems almost like a mini RP2S but linux instead of android (I sold my RP2S android isn't for me)

[wooden zealot]

That's a great way to describe this

I can't wait to try and get Banjo Tooie and DK64 running on it (even tho I have around a dozen devices that can play those games)

[summer grotto]

So if you want no sticks go with rg28xx if you want one stick go with the Miyoo A30 but if you want two sticks well here comes the Mini M

[halcyon oriole]

Should we wait for review or just pull the trigger 👀

[trail verge]

No stick, 1 stick, 2 stick

[wild tendon]

wait for the trigger

pull for review

[trail verge]

Sounds like a song is a brewing

[somber vine]

for $43 i just pulled the trigger, already know it'll be going up in price

hopefully they send out some dev units

[tepid torrent]

3 stick handheld where

[halcyon oriole]

You got me there haha which color did you grab

[somber vine]

clear black (always black lol)

[halcyon oriole]

Noice let me grab black as well

[somber vine]

looks like there's still plenty

[cursive pendant]

Oh my.. Hrm hrm..

[somber vine]

use that code 'joe9' at checkout to get it down to $43

[halcyon oriole]

That code dont work in Japan sadly :((

[somber vine]

aww bummer =[

[cursive pendant]

Who is joe and why is he giving us $9 off? 🤔

[wild tendon]

and joe only give it to US

[cursive pendant]

Now I'm going to buy this.

https://tenor.com/view/lorax-marshmallow-onceler-doctor-suess-im-gonna-eat-this-gif-1386982150863909010

[wild tendon]

we are slowly approaching the time where we will eventually goes "I want this device particularly to play that one game from SNES"

[cursive pendant]

Well you gotta have a Trimui Smart Pro to play PSP & Widescreen Ports, 35XX SP or V10 for GBA, 40XX H for general purpose, 28XX or this XUmini(pending) for the bedside table.

[zenith ember]

Ordered the transparent black
Would love to see a transparent purple in the future

[oak heath]

Well, I’m going to stick with my r43 pro for psp and widescreen ports :p

I am trying to be patient and wait for reviews of how the is actually performs before pulling the trigger

[steady spruce]

If they make a version with wifi I'll grab one, but I'm sticking with the Miyoo A30 for now.

[wooden zealot]

Calling me out like this, how dare, but you're totally right I basically only play SNES platformers on my 351V

[wet basin]

Apparently I needed it, not sure for what yet. Went with the black.

[wooden zealot]

all else fails you can pop it on the marketplace for a bit of return

[vague hedge]

No code for Europe ?

[junior delta]

different SOC?

[indigo phoenix]

This device is using some close/proprietary os? Any chances of cfw from other developers for it?

[somber vine]

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chances are decent of 3rd party support since it should be pretty similar to the 3566

but only buy it for what it is now, not what might happen in the future

sometimes it doesn't work out so well (cough gkd pixel cough)

[valid inlet]

vee shall zhee

[wild tendon]

closed source, they said might have open source in future but honestly i'm too stupid to know how it works

[normal linden]

Sweet! Got one 😬

Allowing UK now

Hoping some minUI magic at some point 🙏

[wild tendon]

just checking is the sd card from ampown good enough or still better off getting new SD card

[cunning mantle]

not really for me, when I account the shipping, its exactly the same

actually like a dolar more

[vague hedge]

At this price, is not interesting for EU
Not for me sure !

[celest tapir]

don't worry, they won't sell it to you anyway

[somber vine]

damn, shipped already, not bad

ordered like 6hrs ago lol

[halcyon oriole]

Did the number of stock increase?

[dim imp]

same, the tracking made me laugh, it's very specific "order has been packed into a large shipment and ready for the delivery company to pick up" lol

[junior notch]

I think so !

[sinful elk]

I guess ill just have to buy Miyoo mini flip instead of this when it releases any day now

[ionic elm]

Make that year or years 😜

[sinful elk]

latest promise is in a few days early august, they wouldnt be lying to us surely

[ionic elm]

They lied about Miyoo P60 for two years, so ...

[sinful elk]

yeah im joking of course, but it would be "funny" if flip actually released before this starts shipping to EU

[normal linden]

This is shipping to EU and UK now

Mine is already on way

Got shipped about 10-15mins after ordering

[sinful elk]

oh fuck me

[normal linden]

Minor blip when ad went live. But if you try again. Ships to EU now

[halcyon oriole]

Hahaha

[sinful elk]

no it fucking doesnt

[normal linden]

Try this one

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EHllAZ5

[sinful elk]

nope

[normal linden]

How odd! 🧐

I saw others say it now ships to EU. I wonder if Germany is off limits for now 🤷🏻‍♂️

[sinful elk]

there is no reason for germany to be off limits, but if i switch to other countries, yeah, it shows up in search, so another seller fuck up, this is pissing me off now

[normal linden]

@oak atlas are you able to advise above? When shipping to EU is going live?

Germany in this instance

[sinful elk]

any other EU country i switch to seems to be available

[valid inlet]

Ship it to Belgium and go on a bike ride to get it

[somber vine]

Was worried about the sticks, but then I saw they're Ginfull, so I'm hopeful. They also make switch style sticks that are really good, taller than standard, have them in my Cube.

[snow falcon]

What is everyone doing with the sd card when they receive theirs? I guess I'll create an image of the one that comes with mine and restore it to a new one

[halcyon oriole]

Yea same since we don't know if there's going to be a cfw for it

I want to see a review video of it so bad

[obtuse root]

99% of the time better off getting a new separate one

[red tapir]

still curious about the rtc, guess i will wait some reviews, for the size and everything seems really interesting
also is the most powerfull compact handled at the moment, right ?

[obtuse root]

So is the OS supposed to be a modified arkOS or what? I forget what the verdict was

[junior delta]

556?

[somber vine]

cube

[junior delta]

Guess, I just look at pictures and never read

[somber vine]

yah i'm really happy with them

[still cloak]

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[obtuse root]

nice, amberelc and batocera have some good stuff on them already

[still cloak]

For sure, I just hope they didn’t remove too much functionality like we’ve seen on some of these other closed source OSes

[cursive pendant]

I'd hope it still has the scraper.

Very curious to see the n64 performance on those 2ghz cores. The 3566 is only a couple fps away from properly playing Yoshi's Story.

[lusty cairn]

Seeing some listings now on AliExpress for the XU Mini M mentioning wifi, bluetooth, joystick RGB, and a charging logo light, but it doesn't have any of these, right? Almost seems like it was copied over from the TrimUI Smart Pro or something.

Example: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807259463693.html

[cursive pendant]

It has a tiny blue led.

most of this is wrong..

You know I just noticed something.. Even the first posting says "RK3562 Quad-core 64-bit Cortex-A53, clocked at 1.8GHz"

@oak atlas This is supposed to be a 2.0ghz SoC, unlike the RK3566. Are the chips in here binned RK3562's downclocked to 1.8ghz or does Ampown have the specs incorrect?

[cunning mantle]

Maybe they reflect the real frequency, rockchip soc’s rarely reach the maximum advertised clocks in handhelds

[small python]

Bought the 🟠 .

[snow falcon]

I’m excited for whoever here receives theirs first to fill us in some details. That or some reviews. First time rolling the dice on a device like this though it’s strangely exciting 😛

[acoustic fable]

Got the Black one and tried asking if I could get mine with the White Buttons from the Orange versions, unfortunately they said they got them pre-assembled from the manufacturer, so they can’t get the white buttons without any major hassle.

[cursive pendant]

You know I was wanting the white buttons on the black too.

[buoyant creek]

I bought one and I'm 70% expecting it to be rk3326

there's also variants of the "joe9" aliex code if you've already used but they're all affiliate to some youtuber idk if im allowed to share them here

[acoustic fable]

Eh, the dev has been pretty active on here and confirmed it’s supposed to be the 3562, so unless the company itself decided to change some stuff behind their back, I don’t really expect this being advertised incorrectly.

(Plus, gonna be honest here, it being a chip that already has cfw available for it wouldn’t be too much of a negative, although the false advertising would still be shitty).

[buoyant creek]

yea i'd be OK with it but I also own a xu10

[snow falcon]

😱😱😱

[cursive pendant]

I really don't think that would happen. That would just burn bridges and cause Sean to be banned in the community.

[pure carbon]

thought about it. just gonna hold off on this til cfw gets going for the chip.

[acoustic fable]

I agree, which is why I think it would only happen if they changed the chipset during manufacturing without letting Sean know. Although even then, he would be expected to check the first batches himself beforehand and find out about it mid-production.

[snow falcon]

Okay now I hope someone gets theirs soon so we can put an end to the conspiracy theories 😂

[acoustic fable]

I mean mine got the shipping notice almost right after I ordered it (and before I got a response for the White buttons, so it’s nice at least that they waited for me to say “yeah, that makes sense, ok thanks for letting me know”), so it’ll probably either get delivered to people within 1-2 weeks, and reviewers probably will be getting theirs even sooner.

[dim imp]

If it was you could just get a refund from aliexpress.

[green gulch]

I was going to buy it. But its price plus the taxes will be around $60. Too much for a mini handheld device...
I already have a RG35XXSP. I'll wait for reviews to see if it's really worth it!

[acoustic fable]

Are we looking at the same device? Mine was only $44.68, although I was using the Joe9 promo code.

[green gulch]

Dude I live in Brazil not the US. We have to pay an increase of $10 over $50. You are lucky cause you can pay less!

I could only buy the RG35XXSP cause Ampown gave me a coupon with a great discount at the time...

[acoustic fable]

Ok, I got confused because I saw the SP and thought “wait, wouldn’t that be even more expensive if this was a currency thing?”, so I just thought you saw one of the resellers without that code.

Welp, apparently my initial thought was correct and you just got the SP at a good discount then. In which case yeah, definitely recommend waiting to see if this thing is worth it.

[green gulch]

Yes, that's why I bought it. It was not much of a difference than the MagicX XUmini. About $7 above!
And as you said, better wait for reviews...

[still cloak]

We did get pics of the internals already, so unless they’ve changed it silently since then…

[acoustic fable]

Yup, exactly what I was saying earlier. They would’ve had to change things without the main dev even knowing.

[green gulch]

They have changed the internals of the MagicX XU10 right after the release. Haven't they?

[still cloak]

I thought Sean was more of the PR guy than a dev. But yeah it would be silly and ruin all the good feelings they’ve built with the community outreach he’s done so far if they were to pull that

[green gulch]

I watched some reviews and the MagicX XU10 had different internals depending on the seller...

In fact some units performed worse then the ones they released in the first batch!

[somber vine]

With how frequently wrong aliexpress listings are, I wouldn't freak out. Looks like they copy & pasted something else to use as a template & forgot to change some of the specs. That's entirely on the reseller. Also the xu10 & r36s were more or less clones, each had slightly different specs respectively, probably where the confusion is coming from there.

[cursive pendant]

They actually have a heatsink on the SoC(Assuming we also get the same as that photo). Well that's a step above what Anbernic did for the 40XX when all it needed was a pad.

[somber vine]

looks very well thought out yah, ventilation too

[oak atlas]

Thank you all for your suggestions and support of the XU mini M over the past few months.

The XU mini m is our prototype for exploring micro handheld devices. We still have a lot of room for improvement based on your suggestions and knowledge.

We are planning multiple series of XU at the same time
You can give us more analysis and suggestions

[somber vine]

Just a couple issues - People from Germany were unable to place an order from the aliexpress listings, the sellers need to be notified to fix this. Also some of the device specs in the listings are incorrect.

[oak atlas]

Some areas still need further communication with AliExpress.

XU Touch one
3.5寸 480x640 3:4 Vertical screen
Allwinner A133 4core A53
DDR4 1G
Dual Hall rocker, two-channel speakers
Pre-sale $60

XU Touch two
4 inch 720X720 1:1 screen
Allwinner A523 8core A55
LPDDR 2G
Dual Hall rocker, two-channel speakers
Pre-sale $80

XU mini m2
3.2 inch 1024x768 4:3HD screen
Allwinner A523 8core A55
LPDDR 2G
Dual Hall rocker, two-channel speakers
Pre-sale $70

XU 20
5.5 inch 1280x720 16:9 screen
RK 3576 4core A72+4core A53
LPDDR 4G
Dual Hall rocker, two-channel speakers
Pre-sale $100

I hope everyone will express their opinions and discuss

[somber vine]

3:4!!

really wish that was paired with a better SoC tho..

[hardy berry]

While youre here... What is the ACTUAL fatness of the xu mini M?

Ali says 29mm earlier was almost an entire cm. slimmer

Ali/ Machine size - 129 * 64 * 29 MM
#1230446912235245648 message - #1230446912235245648 message
129x64x18

as a pocket device 3 cm is beyond comfortable. i've enough bulges in my pants already..

2 cm is fine.

[somber vine]

Some feedback on the XU Touch One - very excited for a proper 3:4 device, but it needs a more powerful chip. The a133 won't handle more modern vertical arcade (shmups, especially by CAVE) very well, which would be the primary purpose of a 3:4 device. It also needs a sega/rg arc/rg cube style d-pad, with the d-pad on top, people who are into those kinds of games primarily use 8-way d-pads instead of analog sticks. Hopefully it's a horizontal device with the screen in-between the controls) & triggers on top instead of vertical with triggers on the back.

[upper aspen]

Any one of these devices happened to have a six face button layout?

[jaunty shale]

Give me the xu mini m2 please 🔥 👀

[cunning tangle]

Xu touch 2 sounds great I think people are waiting for RGB30 competitor with much better build quality (and no charging issues) and similar price range 🙂

[somber vine]

@amber kestrel 3:4!! #1230446912235245648 message

[red tapir]

3.2 flip?

[sinful elk]

problem is that this is more expensice then rgb30, will probably not have CFW support and the SOC isnt any better then rk3566

[somber vine]

if it's 'touch' it'll likely be android based

sit somewhere inbetween the rgb30 & cube

[sinful elk]

I assume the rk3676 one is the one that was announced as targeting ps2/gc? that seems very dubious since the more powerfull s922x starts getting issues

[sinful elk]

how is that inbetween, thats an additional downside of garbage phone OS instead of nice linux

only reason anyone buys cube is because of performance, not its software

[somber vine]

it'll be better for DS than the rgb30, but not as good as the cube

I wouldn't want a linux based cube

[fast flint]

Rk3576 is a good chunk faster than the s922x

[sinful elk]

me and shitton of other people would

[sinful elk]

no its not

[somber vine]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-david-cross-tobias-funke-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-gif-5426075

android is absolutely value-added once you get to a certain power level, and if you're gonna be upset with anyone, be upset with the SoC manufacturers for not providing what's needed to get linux running on their chips easily

lmao gotcha

nothing of value to say

[sinful elk]

s922x has a73 at up to 2.2GHz, vs a72 at same freq in 3576, gpu in s922x is almost twice the performance then the one in 3576, only area where 3576 beats s922x is performance per watt

[fast flint]

I mean maybe this info is wrong: https://gadgetversus.com/processor/amlogic-s922x-vs-rockchip-rk3576/

Seems like the 2 extra performance cores would help

[sinful elk]

why would they help when there is zero emulators that benefit from more then 2 performance cores? some emulators need a weak third core for extra stuff but thats it,

[somber vine]

"gpu boost clock: 1000000 MHz" 😂

[fast flint]

Also 1watt tdp :p

[somber vine]

fission powered

[fast flint]

Mostly interested in ports, and it definitely helps there. Gpu also seems better overall, maybe this info is mostly wrong though🤷‍♂️

[sinful elk]

gpu is way weaker then in s922x, almost half the performance

its 3 core g52 vs 6 in s922x

[fast flint]

Hm, benchmarks must be off then

[sinful elk]

alnd half the shader units

[cunning mantle]

Benchmarks on these sites are often conjured out of nothing

[fast flint]

Probably😄

Cpu benchmarks are Geekbench, so somewhat trustworthy. Gpu benchmarks are usually wrong

[sinful elk]

and considering s922x has working vulkan drivers, the only thing trhis might offer over the way cheaper OGU is sleep, if it is gonna have working sleep

[fast flint]

So its more of a slight upgrade/update to the rk3399. Bit disappointing😄

I guess for a good price its still decent

[sinful elk]

100+EUR is not a good price when compared to 80ish EUR OGU with rocknix support, maybe if it has sleep comparable to TSP where it loses a few percent of battery in a week of sleep and can last weeks sleeping

[stray glade]

Ooo an a133

So basically a 480p trimui smart pro

[stray glade]

S922X is g52 mp4 right?

RK3576 is g52 mp3

[cunning mantle]

Isnt 922x mp6 while a311d is mp4?

[stray glade]

Oh i thought they were both mp4

https://dn.odroid.com/S922X/ODROID-N2/Datasheet/S922X_Public_Datasheet_V0.2.pdf

Hmm this datasheet says it's an MP6

[sinful elk]

yes, the main difference between 311 and 922 is more gpu cores/shader units

[stray glade]

Some sources i've seen say the s922x has g52 mp4, others mp6

The a311d does indeed have mp4

[sinful elk]

mp6 is correct for 922

[somber vine]

it's 3:4 tho, vertical screen

[stray glade]

Yeah

The xu20 seems like an interesting handheld for $100

[indigo phoenix]

yea, $100 usual price would be more interesting, if end up 115-130 after presale not that much. Maybe can cut down the ram to 2/3gb to save cost.

Rk3576 can be a decent future replacement/successor to the rk3566 's devices, but not something priced alot higher than it.

[small python]

Noting about the ones that are the most interesting to me

XU Touch two
Android on a 1:1 will be interesting. As will the newer chip https://linux-sunxi.org/A523. Assuming android here as I didn't find any linux boards running this CPU. Also assuming it is a touch screen based on the name of the device. It's 1:1 so please make it d-pad top 🙂 . $80 seems like a good price. Direct competitor exists here. For andriod, the RG Cube and ZPG Unicorn. Those devices will have higher performance and focused on ergonomics. 2GB on an android device seems low. Price of this device is the obvious selling point. I'm worried about what it will actually be able to play that utilizes its unique features like the touch screen. At face value, this seems like a potentially missmatched device with price as the main selling point. This could make sales as a premium RGB30, but the RGB30 sells due to CFW (ArkOS). Android will lack that benefit. I would seriously consider adding another gig or two of ram which would potentially position this device to make the ZPG unicorn obsolete. Consider long battery life and usb c to c charging which will give it an edge over the RGB30.

XU 20
The RGB10MAX3 was disappointing to me. If the screen on this is good, this potentially competes with the RG556. To me, seems positioned in between those two devices. The chip is the most interesting part. Someone posed an excellent video yesterday trying GC and PS2 on this chip and, it doesn't seem able to run these systems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11RMjsy0hWg. Another link for specs https://liliputing.com/banana-pi-bpi-m5-pro-single-board-pc-has-an-rk3576-processor-an-m-2-slot-and-dual-ethernet-ports/. With GC and PS2 out, selling point here will be portmaster games. Please try and match the RG556 ergo here. This has potential to easily obsolete the RGB10MAX3. $100 5.5 with Linux is and open spot, but people may just buy the excellent RG556 instead.

[upper aspen]

Nethersx2 does benefit from the extra cores, that's why there's an option to disable multi threaded VU if you only have 2 so that it won't affect performance

[sinful elk]

i bet it wont benefit with this gpu and with the cores being worse

[acoustic fable]

These all look neat, I think the only one that’s honestly disappointing to me is the XU 20 using a 720p 5.5” screen, since I really do think an 800x480 screen would be perfect for a chipset that’s potentially capable of doing some GameCube/PS2 (plus, let’s be honest here, we all were disappointed to see the Miyoo P60 get canceled for a reason).
This is obviously imo though, it still looks like it will be cool in general, and I never really legit expected my suggestion to work out since you guys were probably already working on using the screens you talked about.

[upper aspen]

Maybe it will maybe it won't, we have yet to see it

[small python]

Does this show enough of performance to make that determination? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11RMjsy0hWg.

[sinful elk]

thats way worse performance then my OGU

[acoustic fable]

…Isn’t that video using a stock Android image and not an optimized linux build (hell, not even an Android image optimized for the chipset)?

[sinful elk]

its using vulkan, which you wont even get on the handheld

[acoustic fable]

Yeah, hot take, but I’m not that impressed by Vulkan for most 3D retro stuff, so I could take it or leave it anyways.

Even then, the fact what’s supposed to be a single board computer is already using an Android image meant for touchscreen devices already suggests it’s not actually optimized for the device.

[small python]

Yep, it's potentially not an exact comparison. I've not seen a device manufacturer update GPU drivers for performance before. That is usually on RockChip. The Linux driver may be better. With this much stuttering, I'm not sure it will matter.

[shadow solar]

I don't know how powerful that chip is, but the XU mini m2 sounds interesting. that is a unique screen size and resolution combination, ideal for shaders.

[acoustic fable]

Well, to be more specific, I mean most 3D 6th-Gen stuff, Duckstation’s done a lot of stuff to make PS1 work remarkably well with Vulkan.

[vestal egret]

WHAAAAAAAAA

[sinful elk]

ok, so show us a device with this soc with better performance, untill then this is the best indicator of performance we have, and considering its a72 and g52mp3 its the performance i expected for ps2/gc, best you will do on this soc is psp with some hacks and under

[acoustic fable]

Considering I’ve still not seen a comprehensive video on the OGU having “better performance” from current Rocknix builds either, how about you show us that first?

[small python]

The G52(MP3) is the key here. The 3588 has a better GPU and is just ok on GC/PS2.

[acoustic fable]

Particularly since the main reason I still haven’t gone for it myself is because literally everyone who does claim “it’s gotten better” is only saying that, no one is actually bothering to show how it’s gotten better.

Actually hell, @modest rover if you’ve got an OGU or a RGB10Max3Pro, could you possibly try doing some showcases of either of their performances with the current Rocknix builds?

You’re one of the only people I know on here that does those kinds of longer showcases, and getting something for the current builds on the device would legit be helpful.

[sinful elk]

downloading the games from the video, ill try to record something after im back from bouldering or tomorrow

but if you have any delusions this doesnt have lower performance then s922x you need help

[acoustic fable]

…Yeah, that’s a real great way to make yourself look credible.

[sinful elk]

so you think if you remove half the gpu cores on a 4090 the games are gonna run better on it?

[acoustic fable]

No, but I’ve seen people pull off magic before, so who knows if someone’s already made emulators that take advantage of the better GPU? (Hence all the past comments about how the Odin Lite is shit since its GPU is worse than the Odin Pro, even if the CPU is better in specs)

[sinful elk]

oh, you believe in magic, makes sense now

[acoustic fable]

Not literally. I just recognize that someone needs to be legit really freaking crazy skilled to pull off stuff like getting DS emulation working as well as it does on the Miyoo Mini and especially the RG Nano, so if someone can figure out the fixes for the rk3576, then that’s pretty neat.

[small python]

https://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Rockchip-RK3576-CPU-GPU-performance.png

[bronze eagle]

tbf DS on the RG nano just needs to boot, doesn't matter if it's running at 10 fps because you're just doing it to be like 'yeah I can run DS on this', i can't imagine trying to play any DS on a 240x240 1.5 inch screen

GB/C and NES is great on the Funkey and clones but I wouldn't try anything else

Regardless, there's the devices between DC and GC/PS2 etc, like 3DS which run on T618 devices fine

[acoustic fable]

Oh agreed on it not being very good to play on that screen, but even then the emulation is still actually a lot better than what I would usually expect.

[somber vine]

it can't play ace attourney at fullspeed...

[acoustic fable]

You were expecting full speed?

I was expecting most of the games to be too demanding to even boot (or at least to get past the title screen without crashes), the fact they can actually do that is already impressive.

[bronze eagle]

the funkey s has like 64MB ram lmao, it's very, very very optimized already

[acoustic fable]

Exactly.

[somber vine]

as a tech demo it's cool i guess, but otherwise pointless

[bronze eagle]

the original Funkey used an Intel Atom running at 500MHZ with a GB of RAM lmao, that would have been an interesting device

[acoustic fable]

Man, I completely forgot about the original Funkey. That ram is just wacky.

[wooden zealot]

which Atom chip?

[bronze eagle]

https://wiki.funkey-project.com/wiki/FunKey_S

Atom 2-Core @ 500 MHz

Unless that's some no-name chip I've never heard of

[wooden zealot]

damn

so it was probably one of those IOT chips

[jaunty shale]

Hear you guys talking reminds me of this

https://wololo.net/downloads/index.php/download/1235

There was a proof of concept nds emu for the original psp. That blew my mind back then

[bronze eagle]

Intel Edison embedded chip apparently

[wooden zealot]

lines up

[somber vine]

re: touch 2 - android is serviceable w/2gb ram, and there's always the possibility of gammaos as a cfw option (likely core, which is based on android tv & geared towards weaker devices with low ram). The DS experience would be a lot better compared to the rgb30 with the extra power & addition of touch, maybe even some lighter 3ds. I don't see it in the same class as the unicorn, not that it needs help being made obsolete.

[bronze eagle]

honestly shocked no one has tried a Cherry Trail handheld or some other x86 embedded abomination.

N100 handheld when?

[somber vine]

you'd have like... negative battery life, i'm on an n100 rn

[bronze eagle]

It's a real shame Intel stopped making low-powered x86 chips when Windows tablets failed to take off, even though they were awesome

[wooden zealot]

even a Bay trail Atom would be decent for emulation

I remember running N64 on my shitty ole Windows tablet

[bronze eagle]

there's still a ton of the chips around, aliexpress is full of cherry trail tablets

I had an 8 inch HP that was awesome for Hearthstone 🙂 I miss that thing
Surface Go is nice but it's too big

[wooden zealot]

I wanted one of those 8 inch windows tablets for a bit back in the early windows 10 days

[bronze eagle]

it's fine, I'll just install custom firmware on it, play five minutes of Super Metroid for 'testing' and then put it on a display stand while I boot up my Odin 2

[bronze eagle]

They were awesome. Windows 8 was legitimately good on a tablet

I also had both flagship Lumia phones, the 1520 was amazing

[wooden zealot]

Windows Phone was something I prayed would blossom into something dope but then it died

[bronze eagle]

What killed them was no real killer app, or needing to go into desktop mode for applications. But in terms of power:dollar they were superior to basically everything else on the market

[wooden zealot]

Software was the killer

[bronze eagle]

MS was envisioning people plugging in their x86 Nexus 7s into a screen for work purposes, then disconnecting them to watch Netflix in bed

[wooden zealot]

which is something I'd love to do nowdays

[bronze eagle]

It was dope. I still use Launcher 10 on my Androids. Great design, very fluid in a time when only flagships were fluid, the phones themselves were unique and gorgeous, and the keyboard was amazing.

But I had a 1520 that was all dressed up with an SD 810 and nowhere to go, it was terrible

[somber vine]

I nearly switched from the palm pre series to the lumia with the giant camera, but then they killed windows phone

clung to webos as long as i could

even had the unreleased pre 3

[bronze eagle]

the Lumia 1020? that thing look hilarious and was practically a DSLR shoved into a phone

[somber vine]

yah i was all about stuff like that lol

phones used to be fun

they're kind of getting there again with foldables

[bronze eagle]

I'm thinking about picking up one of the mini laptops with an n100 off AE for travel/on-the-go stuff, they look really handy

[somber vine]

dude

get the chuwi minibook x, $250 & the quality is wild

[bronze eagle]

I'm waiting for Apple to 'solve the foldable' personally.

Oh damn that's cute as helklk

[wooden zealot]

that's the one I've been looking into myself because for the money that looks like a solid "pro netbook"

[somber vine]

i absolutely love mine, zero complaints & i'm really picky

[bronze eagle]

I loved my EEPC

[somber vine]

saaame

[bronze eagle]

that 1024x600 resolution was rough even in 2012 though

[somber vine]

this feels like the final form of that, minus the compromises

[bronze eagle]

damn 'you can run LOL on this thing!' in the ad copy

I just love small electronics. I guess in a handheld discord I'm with my people lol

[bronze eagle]

windows home edition and 512MB of RAM?

[somber vine]

same, got a razr+ just so I could use the cover screen as a tiny phone llol

[wooden zealot]

you're amongst kindred spirits

[somber vine]

threw in a 1gb stick & linux 😎

[bronze eagle]

those look great but I can't get over the slenderman screen ratio when you open it up

[bronze eagle]

I think I stuck Ubuntu on me and then hated LibreOffice for uni so much I switched back lmao

[somber vine]

lol, yah it's not as bad as the velvet dual-screen I had a couple phones before at least, that thing was tall

[somber vine]

oof yah that's always the pain point, pre-google docs at least

[chilly vortex]

Would you like rumor mill threads created for each of these handhelds? Personally I would prefer that so we do not clutter this thread with discussion on other handhelds

[bronze eagle]

I used Ubuntu to troubleshoot a misbehaving desktop recently (turned out to be faulty GPU VRAM and an RMA) and it's way smoother and nicer to use than it was 10 years ago. I even seriously thought about switching, but I didn't have a free paritition

[bronze eagle]

Maybe even one megathread for all these ones until we get more concrete info?

'MagicX Product Slate'

[chilly vortex]

good idea

[somber vine]

I dailied linux for over a decade, but got sick of things breaking every update, switched back once I finally had a rig good enough for gaming

[bronze eagle]

My gaming rig mostly gets used for mucking around with AI stuff, or playing old stuff. Newest game I think I've played is Cities Skylines 2

Switch games though? NES World Championships, baby.

[hardy berry]

I've a Surface Pro 7. Had for some time. It kinda voids any thought of picking anything else beside just the Small Miyoo Mini. It just does EVERYTHING, that i have a had time arguing against it. I use it for sculpting, emulating, vectoring, 2d designs, autocad, older pc games. xD And its slim enough to fit in every bag i own.

Gets to play on superior screen withh a superioer controller xD

[bronze eagle]

yeah I have an SP3 and had the original chonk SP1. They're awesome little machines.

Got a bit expensive for the performance though and my current laptop is some generic acer with a ryzen 5500

[hardy berry]

Modded DS4 for life 😛

Which kinda leads me too.... How the ef does the steamdeck manage to be a success with its chunkiness and not even 1080p xD The ergonomics are not great, the screen is worse than phones double its age. It's performance is lackluster. And its not a great utility machine. I will never see any objective truth to the steamdeck except as a emergency paddle for a raft doing a flooding

And i'd still claim surface superior as a paddle in that case

[bronze eagle]

how much are SPs in the US? an SP9 with the i7 where I am is around $1600USD not including the keyboard

[bronze eagle]

entirely the cost

[chilly vortex]

well, steam deck is the first cheap handheld pc to "just work"

[hardy berry]

"cheap" "just work". It's more expensive than alot of other choices that existed before it.

[bronze eagle]

It's also a loss leader, Valve are making money off the 100 games you buy to play on that thing

[hardy berry]

But sorry. I wont derail further

[chilly vortex]

actually I'd like to hear it 😆 what other choices do you mean

[hardy berry]

Most people have screens, Whether they be old or new. Most even have spares. Why not get a proper console, or proper desktop unit. Hell even a used few year old gamer laptop.

They all beat out the steamdeck on performance

and price

[chilly vortex]

oh so that's what you mean, I get it now

[hardy berry]

Ye, im not as bright in my head these days. Coming down from some dengue vaccine side effect. I'll try to be more clear. Head still feels like an exploded watermelon.

[bronze eagle]

Personally I don't understand the attraction of a handheld device bigger than an Odin 2, even if the MSI Claw felt very nice and comfortable in my hands
For the same money I can buy a decent gaming PC and stream to, oh, I don't know, a trimui smart pro

Like lets be real, stuff that chonky isn't leaving the house, though I guess it'd be fun on a plane ride or something

[hardy berry]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-dance-the-bird-flap-your-wings-gif-22776414

Not for the sideman

[acoustic fable]

By cheaper, we mean “less than $800”. Because that’s basically what all the Windows Handheld PC’s with similar specs were back when the Steam Deck was announced, with weaker stuff still being more expensive than the Deck, poor quality stuff still being more expensive, and then any of the stronger pc’s were more than the aforementioned “similar spec” options.

No one is joking around when they say the Ally was the first real Steam Deck competitor, that really was the first device with better specs that was only moderately more expensive and commercially available.

[chilly vortex]

btw if we wanna continue discussion on that subject we can take that to #742753724786540617 or something lol nvm

[hardy berry]

But what about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m34GUn0QqA

[visual escarp]

exciting! And all have horizontal form factors? And linux?

[oak atlas]

We saw a lot of suggestions that were very good and interesting to us.
Regarding the XU Touch one, our original intention was to mainly simulate NDS, because the A133 chip is sufficient for most NDS games and can enable double 3D rendering.

[oak atlas]

Most of them should not have a Linux system. We will use the Android system and actively contact community developers to provide development equipment and information.

[jaunty shale]

When should we expect some of them? Thiy year or next year? Also any news on the release date of the xu hd? I hope it still comes first 😊

[oak atlas]

Some of the above models should be from October to November this year

XU HD is still in its infancy, mainly because the A9 architecture chip is a bit old, although the performance is good. We believe it might be better to embrace the newer chips more.

[somber vine]

you'll want to get in touch with @vocal hemlock then, he's behind the excellent GammaOS (android)

[snow falcon]

No Linux on any of them? That's disappointing to me personally, Android isn't for me. Though they look like interesting devices, especially that 3:4 vertical one will find a niche in the community.

Still waiting for a Linux based RGB30 1:1 screen alternative with a bit nicer build quality.

[vocal hemlock]

Hi

[somber vine]

it's not an option for a lot of them due to lack of linux support from the SoCs

[vocal hemlock]

Hi @oak atlas, feel free to reach out to me in DM, though I see we've already been in touch before

[snow falcon]

Yeah I get that, still don't like it for me personally. No big deal though and no shade to the many people that love their android devices.

[vocal hemlock]

In any case, for GammaOS/Android, we need to have a 64bit firmware, and SELinux enabled in Kernel

Unfortunately this is not the case for the TrimUI Smart Pro, it has no SELinux in Kernel

[somber vine]

rip XU Touch One (unless they've gotten their hands on a proper android build & can share it)

[oak atlas]

When the above products have prototypes, I will actively contact more developers like you.

Everything is still in preliminary planning, but I believe there will be a product design prototype soon.

[jaunty shale]

I see. Does this mean that the xu hd is cancelled?

[shadow solar]

"in its infancy" does not mean cancelled.

It probably means they will iterate on the specs

A vertical 3:4 device especially for DS is interesting, but if you're going for that niche, I would probably try to reach for 3DS as well, and put in a (much) better chipset.

[somber vine]

Eh, the cube is better suited for that

[shadow solar]

I agree, the RG cube would be a very strong competition. It's got a decent chip, too.

[somber vine]

i'm hoping this is finally the mass-produced mini-hotdog i've been waiting for

[shadow solar]

For me, out of the systems that Sean has sketched, this is still the most interesting one:

XU mini m2
3.2 inch 1024x768 4:3HD screen
Allwinner A523 8core A55
LPDDR 2G
Dual Hall rocker, two-channel speakers
Pre-sale $70
Would be interesting to know the perf of the "Allwinner A523 8core A55" chip.

[jaunty shale]

Yeah the mini2 is my favorite too.

[somber vine]

@oak atlas this is 9:16 & the left stick/d-pad should be reversed, but something like this for the touch one?

[jaunty shale]

The a523 seems to be on par with the rk3566

[somber vine]

It is also quite interesting with that screen size/res, they seem to be filling some pretty cool gaps in the market, smart

[oak atlas]

The running score of A523 is three times that of 3566, which is about 160,000 points.
Run the Android PS2 Ether emulator and you can play lighter games smoothly.

In addition, this is in an Android environment. If it supports Linux, I believe the performance of A523 will be better.

[oak atlas]

I don't quite understand what you mean.
It should not be upside down when touched

[somber vine]

oh I just meant will the design be something like this device (only smaller & with in-line/symmetrical sticks)

the second & third pictures are it running a 3:4 game, so i'd imagine it around that size

[cursive pendant]

I'd say the XU 20 sounds very interesting but only if it has Analog L2/R2 Triggers & 5Ghz Wifi so it can be used for Steam & Moonlight Game Streaming. Analog Triggers are more important than Hall Rocker Sticks and should be priority, if price cuts are needed to keep it around $100.

[shadow solar]

By score, do you mean some synthetic benchmark like Antutu?
In my experience, GPU drivers are most important on Android.

[oak atlas]

Yes. For the XU Touch one, because it supports touch and is very close to the NDS native ratio. This is also the original intention of the XU Touch one.

[oak atlas]

We have an A523 development board for actual testing. In addition to running scores, it also runs through the PS2 Ethernet emulator.

In future products, we have listened to your suggestions and wifi will be supported.

[somber vine]

Nice! A few of us have been hoping for a device like that for some time, only mainly for vertical arcade, if you're able to do a circular d-pad that would be perfect, best of both worlds for those who want NDS & shmups

[shadow solar]

The XU Touch one resolution of 480x640 is a bit low for DS. It has less than 2x resolution, so there will be no integer scaling.

[somber vine]

yah, 2:3 would be better for NDS, 3:4 at that res is 1:1 for v arcade

maybe the v10/351p screen rotated would be a better fit

[shadow solar]

Exactly, the stacked DS screens have 256x384 in total, with a 2:3 aspect ratio (combined)

[oak atlas]

Higher resolution means higher price

[shadow solar]

It's true. But the ~1.666 scaling ratio will look bad for pixel graphics.

It's fine for 3D games.

[oak atlas]

After some actual tests, we found that there is almost no difference in actual performance between S922X and A523 in the Android environment. However, because S922X supports Linux and has many developer contributions, S922X performs better. But at the same time, S922X also has a bunch of shortcomings. Such as charging and sleeping.

[somber vine]

I'd just use your shader or sharp-shimmerless tbh, even integer scaled the assets are so low res they look like ass

[somber vine]

I think they should just go with that screen & push v arcade 1st & nds 2nd

[shadow solar]

Thank you, but IMO any scaling shader is not that great at less than 2x.

[jaunty shale]

True but for 60$ you can't really expect much more out of it imo

[cursive pendant]

Probably comes down to the screen component cost. 2x integer scaling on a vertical like that might go into custom screen territory.

It's like a best we can get for this price target situation.

[shadow solar]

That's a good point. There are different budgets for everybody.

For me, the ideal DS and 3DS devices are the DSi and new 3DS, respectively

[grim vector]

It’s a hard sell making a device mainly for DS games that sells for about the same price as a used DSi/XL and doesn’t scale the games as well as one.

[somber vine]

that's why they should push v-arcade, it's a niche for sure, but $60 is near impulse buy territory, decent ds is just icing

[shadow solar]

A general emulation device like that is still unique, what other 3:4 devices are there?

[somber vine]

exactly, novelty factor is high

[shadow solar]

I wouldn't center the marketing around DS though

[cursive pendant]

Make it have two cute animal stickers. One each for the left and right. Then have someone on TikTok say it's the next best thing since sliced bread.

[magic wing]

what is this exactly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjv3ofUXrII

[oak atlas]

I believe that XU Touch one will have a design prototype soon.

[oak atlas]

This is a gaming tablet.

[somber vine]

very excited to see it =] push for a circular sega-style d-pad if possible please 🙏 makes a huge difference in games the xu touch one will be perfect for

[oak atlas]

OK. We will consider your suggestion

[chilly vortex]

Hey all, see #1266817458417832110

[queen loom]

Just wanna give another round of appreciation for Sean here actually listening to us 🙏🙏🙏

[somber vine]

happy to support a company actively seeking feedback from the community & working with developers, breath of fresh air, eagerly awaiting my xu mini m (& these future devices) 👍 thanks Sean

oh some movement, fenggang gang 🤙

[stoic ether]

Btw could you do Lazada or Shopee for SEA? Aliexpress shipping is horrendous in these parts 🤣

[hardy berry]

Fat or slim?

[somber vine]

The AliExpress listing has to be wrong, there's no chance it's that thick, I don't have a single handheld without grips that's that thick, a30 for comparison

there's a bunch of other incorrect info on the ali listings too

even the xxsp closed isn't that thick, pocket air on the grip isn't that thick, only the cube at it's largest point is

[shadow solar]

there's a "your mom" joke in there somewhere, I can smell it

I'll provide measurements as soon as I get the device, unless someone else is faster

[somber vine]

actually, didn't think of this before, but you can roughly measure virtually based on the usb-c port since it's a consistent size

just a bit thicker than the a30 in this shot, which tracks with 19mm

[snow falcon]

we've seen numerous pictures of the device, I don't know why people are making a big deal out of these aliexpress listing mistakes. This is a total non issue.

[hardy berry]

Size is always an issue, put in naughty joke here

[hardy berry]

Yea, i agree. But the backplate from a different angled picture, does seem to bulge a bit more than i would suspect for a 18-19mm device. With sticks the a30 hits 19. So i could see thhe xumini being a few mm fatter

[somber vine]

a couple more with buttons maybe, but no way it's near 29

unless that's Yao Ming

[hardy berry]

#1230446912235245648 message

[amber kestrel]

probably the thickness of the box lol

[wooden zealot]

Or the case if they went with the "the case is the box" method

[steady spruce]

I'd definitely buy the XU Touch one and XU mini m2

[nova isle]

I'm interested in the XU mini m2.

[valid inlet]

The magicX empire rises

[halcyon oriole]

Just loving these early model and product photos can't wait

[limber bronze]

I would love a high powered rotatable screen handheld. 16x9 oled screen. That’s the dream handheld to play everything.

[summer grotto]

make this shape and size with rk3576

[oak atlas]

29MM is the wrong image on the agency store. I have contacted them to change it. The correct one is 19MM.

[oak atlas]

We will work hard to find agents in the area to work with.

[somber vine]

Thought so, thanks for confirming, good news @hardy berry 👍

[somber vine]

Speaking of dimensions, I got this little neoprene slip case that perfectly fits the a30, 28xx & trimui smart. It's a pleasantly tight fit with those, but I don't think it'll fit the added girth of the mini m. Hopefully I can find another size that'll be a similarly good match since the case it comes with looks to be identical to the a30 one (which I found to be far too bulky)

[modest rover]

I'm afraid I don't have these

[acoustic fable]

Ok then yeah, still gonna have to wait for someone else to showcase how much “better” it’s gotten (although even if it legit takes full advantage of the chipset, the XU 20 would still be better if it just has actually good hardware besides the chip).

[modest rover]

does powkiddy or someone still sell it?

I might just buy one

[acoustic fable]

Yeah, not only does Powkiddy still sell theirs, but Odroid is now selling their for literally half the price (only $55, when it was originally $110).

[modest rover]

I bought one from odroid - thanks for the heads up about the sale

[acoustic fable]

It’s not even a legit sale because it’s been active forever, it’s basically one of those “indefinite sales until they literally run out of them”.

[modest rover]

I was searching through the archives and saw that it was $59 at some point

this is cheaper than I can get the rgb10max3pro so I'm ok with it

we'll find out if it can beat the G99

[buoyant creek]

they should be the first to copy the 2ds design, axe head slope and all

[chrome jay]

Just make this in bigger

3DS Bezels can be added in software

No need to physically split screens

[buoyant creek]

oh yea the screen should be 1

but most of the other stuff like button/speaker placement etc

i think wedge is better form factor because the battery's the thickest part?

The other vertical screen handhelds right now are literally phones repackaged into a case right?

[somber vine]

needs a proper dpad & it's gotta be on top, wedge shape or small grips would be good. 3ds sucks even on the hotdog, which has a larger screen & the power to run it, top screen is too small, that's a job for the cube

[somber vine]

more or less

the hotdog is based on the htc 5g hub

[hardy berry]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-swolo-ben-solo-star-wars-kylo-ren-wide-gif-23351571

[buoyant creek]

I'm not sure about dpad needing to be on top with this type of form factor, the bottom placement seems closer to the "top" of most devices

[somber vine]

dpad should always be on top, but it should especially be on top when one of the key uses is vertical arcade

and ds

[buoyant creek]

most people brace their device from the bottom left corner

[somber vine]

so?

asym makes zero sense here

[buoyant creek]

dpad on top on most horizontal/vertical devices is because on those form factors the top of the device is where your thumb naturally falls, I don't think that's the case for 9:16/20 vertical handhelds

can't the rk3576 play 3ds too?

[somber vine]

This will be closest in size to the cube, thumb rests on top. The vertcal one is getting an a133, so think trimui smart pro, it's not doing 3ds, and even if it could it would be awful, top screen would be a postage stamp.

DS & V arcade are dpad first, doesn't make sense to put it in a more uncomfortable position when the sticks will hardly ever get used

[chrome jay]

Which one will be closest to the cube?

[somber vine]

the touch one, the vertical

in terms of height, it'll be less wide

[chrome jay]

What about this one

[somber vine]

what about it?

i'm saying that's the closest comparison right now for the vertical

[chrome jay]

This one is closest to the cube, no?

[buoyant creek]

oh I'm not interested in that device I was just going off what deadfred was saying here: #1230446912235245648 message

yea for that device it makes sense to make it completely d pad centric design, but when the screen size becomes 9:16 or longer I'd say it changes things

[chrome jay]

Alright i get now 👍

[somber vine]

I'd agree there, the hotdog is so wildly tall that it doesn't really matter that it's asym

[chrome jay]

Was there any mention of this running Android or Android tv

The vertical one

[buoyant creek]

can the a133 even fast forward with nds emulation? That's like my top 3 reasons for me to emulate over native

[somber vine]

they just said 'android' but I'd imagine with that amount of ram & the fact that they'll be talking to gamma that we might see android tv (gamma core)

[chrome jay]

I thought about that too

[cunning mantle]

that would be a wise choice

[chrome jay]

Hope c to c charging works nicely

[somber vine]

oh, remind me to test that on the mini m

[chrome jay]

Isn’t that thing around the same power as the H700?
H700 can somewhat fast forward using a fork of drastic

[jaunty shale]

I think gamma os won't be available for the a133p. Same as the trimui smart pro

[somber vine]

he was tinkering with gamma core on the TSP iirc

He had this to say about it #1230446912235245648 message

but i'm not sure if that means full gammaos or gamma core

personally i'd rather core anyway since ram is limited, not fussed about what runs the games or frontends as long as they run

[buoyant creek]

oh for some reason i thought a133p was the chip on the miyoo mini, not the trimui smart pro

seems p good then

[somber vine]

it's not bad, i wish it was a touch more powerful, some of the newer CAVE shmups will struggle

I should test that out actually just to see where the line will be, have a TSP but its only purpose is stardew lol, I think I remember them struggling on the t618 tho

arcade is such a PITA tho

[acoustic fable]

We’ve already got a new rumor mill section for their planned future stuff. https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1266817458417832110

Mainly because this channel is likely to leave rumor mill soon, so continuing to discuss other unreleased devices on here would be weird.

[chrome jay]

He sent 2 identical in both channels so I mixed them up when replying , my bad 🙈

[hardy berry]

lulz... 18 dollars more expensive for Europe.
US price 43 dollars. (JOE9+coins)
EU price 61 dollars (coins)
We have any codes to share to EU buyers?

[cunning mantle]

uhm you know that it doesnt include VAT for US buyers but it does in EU, right?

[sinful elk]

like that for everything, cos VAT is included and never any codes working for us....bigger issue is that still no Germany FFS

[cunning mantle]

yeah, we always get f*cked with codes

[sinful elk]

just take my fucking money already

[hardy berry]

Never had to pay anything additional (vat) when i did orders to the US. It may happen, but just never has for me. So the price i see is what i pay.

[sinful elk]

the price you see already has VAT included if you are from EU

its the law

[glad raptor]

yeah, it's either that or Ali will not be able to sell to EU

[cunning mantle]

on one hand its more convenient, or other it makes comparing prices annoying 😄

[hardy berry]

They have depots and warehouses in EU to go around most "law" things. They repack alot to avoid the vat.

same for US

It very clearly states the Vat part on their site, so im very aware. Doesnt change the price difference i wrote above

[cunning mantle]

when I use us vpn and then compare the price, the one I get localy matches with our VAT included

enjoy lovely 21 percent

[hardy berry]

You know anyone in neighbouring countries? I can order to Switzerland, Scandinavia and a few more.

[sinful elk]

I do, but then i need to wait for them to get, to ship it to me, and then for me to get it, thats too much of a hassle just because these lot cant get their shit together

[hardy berry]

I was more thinking in the lines of an excuse for a weekend trip to visit a friend/ friends/ family.
Double whammy, two birds one stone. 😛

[valid inlet]

Europe is so small you could just catch a cab

But you probably have to pay vat on that too

[modest rover]

has anyone got theirs?

because I just did

[wild tendon]

Pic

[cunning mantle]

pics or didnt happen! 😛

[dim imp]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

(Congrats if real 🥳 )

[shadow solar]

that was fast, pics or it didn't happen though

Mine moved on from fenggang town and is probably flying around somewhere

[somber vine]

i'm sure he'll be on stream with it soon 😁 yah mine cleared export customs so it'll probably be leaving china in the next day or so

[wild tendon]

Mine has been handed to airline

So maybe end of this week or next Monday

[modest rover]

what size comparisions do you guys want - rg28xx, a30 etc?

[jaunty shale]

Would be nice

[somber vine]

trimui smart, 35xxh

plus those

[bronze eagle]

GB micro and a Q36

[grim vector]

PSP Go if you have one

[shadow solar]

Looking forward to a first look

I expect this device is flying under the radar for many

[modest rover]

https://youtube.com/live/XcY3DWOLtC8?feature=share

I'll be live in about 30 mins

[halcyon oriole]

No way, your THE GOAT!

[shadow solar]

STREAM STARTED

[acoustic fable]

There we go, I knew this would likely get to reviewers sooner.

[halcyon oriole]

Surprised at the boot speed haha

The size looks great

[somber vine]

@oak atlas does this have a rumble motor? not seeing it in the picture of the board, just want to confirm

[halcyon oriole]

forthenext saids he still dosent know if there is any

two card slot for os and game. the sd card is a no brand card

buttons are rubber and the shoulder button is clicky

[hardy berry]

Stop stalling, get to the performance already 😄 xD

[halcyon oriole]

power button and rest button are on the bottom of the device next to each other.

[acoustic fable]

Did you mean reset?

[halcyon oriole]

the device does indeed come with the carrying case, screen protector, and the strap which is crazy for the price honeslty super impressed

[halcyon oriole]

yea sorry typo

[acoustic fable]

Ok, cause I was about to say that a dedicated sleep mode button would be pretty weird.