The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

[forest walrus]

😜

[forest walrus]

Spirit Temple completed. c:

I wonder if the Gerudo Training Grounds were redesigned for Master Quest. 🤔

[brisk current]

Im actually sad that there’s 2 temples missing only 😦 (shadow and spirit)

But I do need to finish to go and try to best live a live as well haha

Hope for a Majoras Mask soon as well this yeah maybe

[crude terrace]

I skipped MM and Wind Waker and went straight to TP since it's been a hot minute

[torn fulcrum]

Lol, made it to the mini boss in water temple and my n64 crashed.

I got to remember to save every five minutes

I have to do the entire temple again

[fierce lion]

Did you get the cow? I’ve never gotten the cow.

[forest walrus]

lol, yeah I got the cow ;P

You can get it right after you get Epona, and it's pretty easy imo, so I always just do it while I'm in the area.

[forest walrus]

It sounds to me like someone needs to replace their N64 with one that's in better condition. 😛

[torn fulcrum]

Absolutely. Although it could be the oot cart itself too

[fierce lion]

I can’t even get close. After 25 years of this game, epona still seems to have a mind of her own when it comes to whether or not she’ll jump over a fence

[forest walrus]

Huh, that's surprising.

As long as it doesn't take me too long to reach a fence after using a carrot, then Epona will always jump over it.

[fierce lion]

Don’t forget you need to be at exactly a 90 degree angle. Anything more or less and it’s a big nope

[forest walrus]

I guess so. 😛
I've just never had much difficulty with that.

[coarse ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/its-the-best-skill-to-have-kenny-sebastian-simple-ken-one-of-the-best-skills-everyone-wants-to-have-this-skill-gif-21513409

[fierce lion]

Epona exists because hyrule field is so big. But it isn’t really. It just feels big because there’s nothing there.

[red torrent]

yeah they prioritized a sense of scale over actually interesting gameplay

[nimble maple]

What how can you say gameplay is not interesting

[forest walrus]

The gameplay is plenty interesting. It was an early N64 game, it's not really surprising that the world felt somewhat empty, especially by today's standards.
For the time though it was awesome, and Hyrule field made it feel like an epic adventure.

[fierce lion]

What is interesting in hyrule field? It’s a lot of nothing

[forest walrus]

Ocarina of Time's gameplay =/= Hyrule field. 😛

[fierce lion]

Right. But smith replied to a comment about hyrule field

[nimble maple]

Oh yeah if he’s talking about hyrule only I get it !

[forest walrus]

Yeah, it just doesn't come across that way.

[fierce lion]

It always felt empty to me. Especially compared to LoZ, ALttP, and LA

[coarse ferry]

It’s not empty! It has a peabody, ten big poes, and random ass grottos!

[fierce lion]

Has anyone ever actually fought a peahat in OoT

They’re just things in the distance

[coarse ferry]

Has a stupid name

[fierce lion]

I get it. The first time people leave the forest they go “whoa, this is massive,” but by the 10th time you’re running across hyrule field you realize it isn’t actually massive. There’s just nothing there so it’s boring. It’s like Romani ranch in majora’s mask

[coarse ferry]

Well someone had to lay the groundwork for Ubisoft

[forest walrus]

But by the 10th time you know where everything is so before you get Epona you're just running backwards everywhere while looking like an idiot because it's faster. 😛

So by that point it doesn't really matter that Hyrule field is mostly empty.

[red torrent]

yeah only hyrule field, not the game as a whole! i think MM did it better. they were able to put a lot more in termina field cuz clock town is right in the middle so it blocks the view, so the draw distance is never that high. and the side areas outside the central hub are more fleshed out too

[fierce lion]

Though any points they got for that were forfeited when the aliens showed up

[nimble maple]

But if you compare it to wind waker it doesn’t feel empty anymore !

[faint storm]

scrolls up

Honestly my big criticism of Ocarina of Time is that its big idea is literally just "what if Zelda but 3D"

[fierce lion]

You always have the red lion with you

[faint storm]

Which is, like, entirely understandable. It prototyped 3D Zelda in general

It's just, that's also most of what the game is, basically. The 3D Zelda prototype

It was other entries that went on to actually do more interesting things with that

(hence why I say the best thing about it is leading directly to Majora's Mask)

[nimble maple]

It was really looking like the fire dragon would go into a phase 2

[coarse ferry]

Phase 2 : ||working arms ||

[forest walrus]

Gerudo Training Grounds complete. 🙂

[nimble maple]

I just finished fire temple and started right at the beginning of the month . Should I have time to beat the game before month ends ?

[fierce lion]

Yes. The month isn’t even half over

[nimble maple]

Yeah so my question is basically : am I past mid-game?

I never finished this game so I don’t know

[fierce lion]

If you’re going in order, that’s the third sage?

[nimble maple]

Yes exactly

[fierce lion]

Yeah, that should be a little past halfway

[nimble maple]

That’s going to be close !

[forest walrus]

It's really not that long of a game. 😛

[forest walrus]

:3

Moooo!!

[red torrent]

Yeah I think you're good. The next few dungeons aren't too hard themselves but getting to them is a little involved, but you're still well past halfway I'd say

[nimble maple]

I just need not to get lost forever in water temple !

[lucid fjord]

I don't think getting lost is the issue, it's the having to go through the rigmarole of getting the water level back to where you need it to be after jumping or falling off.

[fleet warren]

Farores Wind at the 3rd water song thingo

just set up that warp point for when you need to bring it to the top

[faint storm]

It hurts me that I didn't think of this

[fleet warren]

Does the gay racoon need a moment

[faint storm]

Nah

The water temple actually wasn't that bad for me

I was playing Ship of Harkinian and, like, the biggest time-saver you can have in that temple is just having your iron boots on the D-pad instead of having to open the menu constantly

[fleet warren]

I was playing a redux rom hack that has that and OMG it saves so much time

[faint storm]

Yeah. Beyond being a general time-saver, it also means that you're losing a lot less time moving around to adjust the water level in general, so it becomes a relatively mild inconvenience as opposed to an onerous one

So remembering that Farore's Wind exists will be a much smaller time-saver if having to backtrack to futz with the water level doesn't mean opening the menu half a dozen times to change boots

[forest walrus]

Ganon's Castle dungeon item.

[coarse ferry]

Not sure why that is even an item

You use it four times

[forest walrus]

Yeah, I just used it to get the final Great Fairy upgrade. c:

[forest walrus]

Same with the ice arrows. Both items feel kind of pointless.

[nimble maple]

I remember this temple took me literally months to complete

[nimble maple]

Yeah I started using the warp a lot in fire temple . It’s very useful .

[forest walrus]

There's always the Zelda Dungeon walkthrough if you need help. c:

[viscid garnet]

Last strand, Ganon's Castle. Will pause for a hour or two and try to finish that thing at last

[nimble maple]

Still haven’t used a guide so far . I’ll try to keep it that way

[viscid garnet]

Two weeks already, while on my first playthrough I spent a month 😆

[nimble maple]

I was 11 the first time I played it so I am guessing I am better now !

[forest walrus]

Yep, I'm currently working my way through the Master Quest version of Ganon's Castle. 🙂

[nimble maple]

Is there a way to know if the spirit I have in my bottle is worthy of the Poe lord?

[forest walrus]

It needs to be a Big Poe specifically, if you want to get the reward for the Poe hunting quest.

10 Big Poes in total iirc.

[nimble maple]

So if in the item menu it is not listed as big poe I can throw it away?

[forest walrus]

Yeah I think so.
The regular Poes will attack you with fire iirc. The Big Poes always run away.

They actually made the Fire Barrier room in the Master Quest version more aggravating than the original version. 😤

[forest walrus]

The barrier is down. Time to climb to the top of Ganon's Tower. 🙂

[forest walrus]

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest
Beaten. :3

19 Gold Skulltulas and 3 Heart Pieces short of 100% completion.

[urban temple]

Beaten the water temple. Honestly they shouldn’t allow players to enter the water temple ||without a blue tunic|| without a owl going “to dude you forgot something” that was just brutal.

[forest walrus]

Congrats c:

[coarse ferry]

Made worse that the way to get the blue tunic is ||just have some blue fire saved after ice caverns to use on king zora||

[urban temple]

I actually had ||the fire saved|| but just went straight to the temple after I was told “go to the temple as soon as you can” (iirc). I only found the free one after I got 30 skulltulas, which meant I could get enough cash to buy one. ||released the king when I released the shop|| seriously that “kill everything” room at the bottom of the water temple took so long with out the item or save states

[urban temple]

Yeah ||this well|| is deliberately annoying….. still this is the furthest I’ve ever gotten

[urban temple]

Ok finished the ||well|| and managed to work out how to get the two cookoos in the corner which o couldn’t previously reach (to be fair it was obvious). Let’s leave the shadow temple for another day

[viscid garnet]

It is done. At last. Have a couple of words, hide em under spoiler just in case

||I never had a N64 and never had an opportunity to play OoT around appropriate time period. I tried to tackle it from around 2010s, when completed Minish Cap (and was fascinated by it). People over internet said the Ocarina is the best Zelda ever - but when I tried it first time, on my old PC, I couldn't see why. Game just don't clicked with me then so I abandoned it, never going past Deku Tree. The same was with Android emulation around 2015. Only when I got my RK2023 I decided that I must complete that classic. But my opinion didn't changed much. I understand why OoT was mind-blowing to have in 1998 on "underpowered" N64 but still couldn't get the "best Zelda ever" and "one of the greatest games ever" thing.||

[forest walrus]

Congrats 🙂

[nimble maple]

I think we should just put all the threads under spoiler tag at this point .

[faint storm]

I beat the game without using the blue tunic as a kid

Granted I was doing it voluntarily rather than because I missed it

[urban temple]

Full props

[faint storm]

OoT was really just that time Nintendo prototyped 3D Zelda tbh

It has historical and nostalgia value. Aside from that, it is kind of bland compared to what came after it. Because its big idea was literally just "what if Zelda but 3D," and 12 years later, you had better Zeldas that came after it

"OoT is the best Zelda" is 110% nostalgia goggles

I've said it before and I will repeat it: the best thing about OoT was that it led to Majora's Mask

[forest walrus]

I never even played OoT when I was a kid, lol.

Some of my friends were really into LoZ.

I never cared for it until I got older.

[faint storm]

It was quite a bit easier than doing the fire temple without the red tunic

[forest walrus]

My favorite Zelda game, Mario game, and Mario Kart game are all on the N64.

[urban temple]

Wtf

[faint storm]

what

[forest walrus]

I'm up to the Stone Tower (or whatever it's called) in Majora's Mask. So far I'm not very impressed. Some things about it are a definite improvement over OoT, like the boss fights, but I haven't enjoyed it anywhere near as much as OoT.

And I'm using the Redux hack.

[lucid fjord]

OoT is probably the most important Zelda, but I fully agree that it's not the best

[lucid fjord]

It's infinitely more frustrating

[nimble maple]

What how can you even beat fire temple without the tunic? You’ll lose hearts until you die no?

[faint storm]

No? It's timer-based like being underwater

[nimble maple]

Like only when you walk on lava ?

I thought the whole temple was just too hot

[faint storm]

There are a few rooms where you can reset the timer

[nimble maple]

Ok let’s go get that horse (tomorrow)

[red torrent]

u dont have the horse yet???

[nimble maple]

No I didn’t think I needed it . But now it looks like I need it to go to Hylia lake .

So Ingo ranch here I come

I am sure it is run better now that ingo is in charge

[red torrent]

i think there's a ladder you can climb to get into it without epona isn't there?

but ya u should get epona anyway just as a timesaver lol

[nimble maple]

Oh well didn’t see the ladder so that was my cue to go get epona.

[nimble maple]

Could you complete the game without ever getting epona ?

[red torrent]

i think so

you can't 100% tho there's some heart pieces you definitely need her for and im not sure if you can get ||biggoron's sword|| without her

dont think you can get ||one of the bottles|| without epona either

[fierce lion]

The ladder is to exit. You need the water to get in without the dumb horse

[red torrent]

there are ladders on both sides

[urban temple]

Or the song

I’m at the shadow temple but I haven’t worked out how to get epona yet - should the solution to get the horse have become apparent to me already? ||I already woke up the old owner with the new hen||

[quasi yew]

Started up the 3DS version. || Did they make Queen Gohma way easier? Only had to shoot her eye once, and one round of sword swinging. She didn't get a chance to do literally anything 🤣 ||

[fierce lion]

Huh. I haven’t noticed one outside, at least not playing this time. I definitely jumped in the river or whatever a couple of time to get there

[red torrent]

you just have to ||go to the ranch, pay ingo to ride the horses, play the song to get epona to come to you, and ride her||. While you're doing that you can ||talk to ingo and he'll challenge you to a race||

Waking up talon is part of a different sidequest

[fierce lion]

“Just”

[narrow ivy]

Man I need to get on OoT. The month is halfway over

[red torrent]

well "just" in the sense that u dont need any new items or anything lol, u can do it before forest temple as long as u have epona's song

i had been off it for a week but i finished fire temple last night and then cleared out sklltulas in dodongo's cavern. only one main dungeon left but im still missing like 25 skulltulas lol

[red torrent]

also idk where the last two heart pieces i need are lol

[forest walrus]

Queen Gohma is always really easy.

[nimble maple]

Damn I clearly remember that Marion taught me epona ´s song as a kid but now it doesn’t appear in my ocarina’s playlist so it looks like I can’t get epona

I see epona but I have no song to play her lol

[fierce lion]

Whoa #developer-news message

[red torrent]

yooooooooo

[forest walrus]

Awesome 🙂

[red torrent]

wonder how well it runs on 3566?

or even 3326 lol

the widescreen hd experience on rp3+ has been cool but even just having 60fps vanilla oot on a pocketable device would be huge

[viscid garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-cat-loud-angry-gif-26168455

Just after I completed Redux hack

But I could do it more comfortable

My friggin tough luck

[red torrent]

missing one heart piece 😔

[fierce lion]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-the-simpsons-at-least-you-tried-fail-failure-gif-7859548

[cursive rover]

How were people supposed to figure some of this stuff out???

Oh sure ||a storm will drain the well||

[red torrent]

found the last heart piece lol it was in a grotto

[cursive rover]

In what universe does that minimally make sense

[red torrent]

i mean it doesn't but the game does basically tell you you need to ||play the song of storms in the windmill||

[cursive rover]

There is no single other moment so far where pulling out the ocarina ||makes someone teach you a song||

How many copies of nintendo Power did this game help sell

[red torrent]

doesn't this happen with malon too?

[forest walrus]

Ocarina of Time isn't that obtuse, especially compared to a lot of other games from the 5th console generation.

[cursive rover]

There is still a lot of moon logic, which I imagine is there to make the game last longer

[forest walrus]

In Tomb Raider 2, there's a level where you have to specifically jump backwards through a spinning fan in order to get one of the optional collectibles.
That is one of the worst "how is anyone supposed to figure that out on their own" moments that I've seen. 😛

[cursive rover]

I could forgive it for average games from that generation, not from a game that is still considered one of the best games of all time

[forest walrus]

OoT really isn't that bad with moon logic in my experience (and the first time I played it was on 3DS).

[cursive rover]

It's not too bad with Zelda dungeon open on the side, which I hate

I have to at least take a peek every once in a while not to run around for half an hour wondering where to go

Thanks to Ocarina of time I have finally confirmed that I just prefer 2D Zeldas

[wheat eagle]

I remember finding alttp kind of obtuse. the oracle games too. but it's been a long time since I've played those.

[crude terrace]

there were times I got really stuck in ALttP, more than I ever did in Ocarina of any of the other 3D Zeldas

doesn't mean I dislike Link to the Past any less

[forest walrus]

I have that problem with ALTTP more than I ever have with OoT. 😛

Thankfully I'm close to finally beating ALTTP.

[cursive rover]

Shadow temple done. Much more enjoyable than the part that preceded it

[urban temple]

They do kinda make that clear if you ask around the village in the future

[urban temple]

Not that far behind you. Enjoying it so far, but the bit where you have to ||shoot an arrow at the bomb fruit|| took me so long to work out.

Now I have to fight someone called bongo bingo which sounds like the personification of my teenage nightmares

[red torrent]

im on the shadow temple rn myself

but its my last dungeon lol i did things out of order

[urban temple]

I’m genuinely curious as to who the sage for the last temple will end up being (no spoilers pls)

[red torrent]

n64 era nintendo really liked scaring children lol

[forest walrus]

X)

[red torrent]

between shadow temple and the sm64 ghost level lol

[forest walrus]

I felt like the Bottom of the Well mini-dungeon was a bit spookier than the Shadow Temple.

[cursive rover]

Was the shadow temple actually that scary? The ||zombies|| also appear much earlier

[forest walrus]

It was definitely spooky. :3
Especially back in the day playing OoT as a kid. Of course Majora's Mask was way spookier.

[faint storm]

Did you? I always thought the Shadow Temple was the last dungeon

And yeah, the Shadow Temple was not as spooky as the well IMO

I'll elaborate a bit

||By the time you're taking on the Shadow Temple, you already have the Lens of Truth and know to use it. You do not have it when you begin the Well, and you will fall through a lot of fake floors on your way to getting it.||

||It's also your first experience fighting the Dead Hand. While you fight it again in the Shadow Temple, you're over the initial shock value, and you're also doing it as Adult Link, who is more powerful. It doesn't feel as overwhelmingly terrifying when you already know what you're doing and have a sword 2 to 4 times as powerful.||

||Like, the Shadow Temple is spooky in its own way, but the Well really goes ham on it and is your first time going ham on that theme in this game. You're also smaller, weaker, and spend much of the dungeon anxious about what's real and what's a trap.||

||also tfw they fucking put Link in a magical coma and made him wake up a child in a man's body because they needed him bigger and stronger to fight Ganon. that can't have been traumatic at all itself||

||hell even the way women look at Adult Link in this game hits a little different when looking at it like that||

Honestly, cold take: this is not a remotely theme-driven game nor particularly thematically rich. I've said a million times its entire big idea is just "what if Zelda but 3D"

But the more I think about it, the more I realize it didn't do nothing thematically with its hooks and opportunities. Like they didn't go super-in-depth, because it's already a reasonably meaty game and, again, really mostly the 3D Zelda prototype, but

Actually I realized the thing I was about to say might not have been intentional

||I just realized that all five of adult Link's dungeons actually have a Fisher-Price version. The spiritual stone dungeons neatly correspond to the first three temples, the Spirit Temple is split into child and adult sections, and the Shadow Temple is preceded by the Well, which is effectively the Fisher-Price Shadow Temple||

||the big exception here being the Tower of Ganon. Which is a notable exception, because LttP actually had a capstone dungeon for the first leg of the game where OoT didn't||

Anyway back to my thought

||The Well and the Shadow Temple actually model a big child-adult progression: experiencing something terrifying as a child vs. experiencing it as an adult. There's a huge difference. You have more experience and agency as an adult, and that experience is modeled not just in the "seen it before" sense but also just having the Lens of Truth going in and knowing what the hell you're doing in a way you didn't as a child||

[red torrent]

spirit is supposed to be last officially i think but i also did spirit before fire lol which is definitely out of order

[faint storm]

I didn't realize you could do Shadow first

||since you need to trigger the Kakariko Village fire for it||

[red torrent]

that happens ||after you clear fire and water||.

[faint storm]

Huh.

||Did I really not return to Kakariko Village between clearing the Fire Temple and clearing the Spirit Temple? It's possible I didn't||

[red torrent]

i think you have to enter ||from the hyrule field side||

[cursive rover]

There's also a ||dead hand in the forest temple, actually||

[red torrent]

it didn't trigger when i ||came down fom fire temple||

[cursive rover]

At least in the 3ds version

Right after the ||twisted hallway||

[red torrent]

i think you're confusing ||dead hands and wallmasters||

[forest walrus]

Doesn't the Forest Temple have one Dead Hand though? There's that ledge with a few doors along the right-hand side, and one of them has a small key and a Dead Hand in it iirc.
It might've been the Master Quest version though.

[urban temple]

Are those the things that drop from the ceiling? Then yeah after the first twisting corridor

[forest walrus]

Wallmasters drop from the ceiling.

And yeah, there is that weird room after the twisting corridor that has a wallmaster.

[cursive rover]

Wait, scratch that . Didn't read properly

[red torrent]

im missing at least one skulltula in shadow temple too :<<<< gonna need to consult a guide if i want true 100% i guess

ive got all the actual items in the game outside of the ganons castle stuff tho, and every heart piece. but im still short like 20 skulltulas lol

might just finish it here lol. im at the 24 hour mark and i wanted to try to do the other two games this month as well

[dark smelt]

So my shield was burned by a bat (the f), I got and bought another one, but it doesn't deflect projectiles at the plant things??

[fierce lion]

Are you a kid using the hylian shield? Kid link isn’t big enough to hold that properly

[dark smelt]

Jesus

[dark smelt]

SoH has the worst lock on system I've ever seen, every time I try to lock on any enemy it locks on the wall behind me and turns me around 🤬

[nimble maple]

I think it’s just oot. I doubt soh makes it worse .

[red torrent]

you can tell what you're going to lock onto by seeing where navi is

[forest walrus]

It... locks onto the wall? How does that work exactly? 😛

[forest walrus]

I don't think I've ever had a problem using the lock-on system.

But yeah, you should always be paying attention to where Navi flies to.

[nimble maple]

Me neither I was just pointing out that I doubt it’s caused by soh

[lucid fjord]

Fuckin' Huge

@faint storm Holy shit do I appreciate you

[forest walrus]

X)

[red torrent]

got 100% items now. probably just gonna finish and then go back and clear out skulltulas later if i feel like it lol. but i dont wanna just spend hours running around the map lifting rocks and rolling into trees

[red torrent]

yeah just catching up on this analysis now but its really cool

[lucid fjord]

This is a healthy mindset

[red torrent]

but idk the tenseness of shadow temple to me is the sort of lore implications about ||hyrule's "dark history of greed and hatred", the ties to the shiekah being like hyrule's underground protectors, the bloodstains, and the recurring themes of cages and torture/execution devices in the dungeon||. some very dark implications that other zelda games dont really touch on at all

[lucid fjord]

Agreed. Basically || Ninja Knights Templar||

[red torrent]

yeah

[lucid fjord]

God even Twilight Princess, Zelda's edgy teen years doesn't hold a candle to some of the straight up horror from the N64 era

[red torrent]

yeah. i mean TP has one kind of similar dungeon but it doesnt really go as all out with the torture stuff

[lucid fjord]

But also, make Ganondorfs blood green please

[crude terrace]

the Twilight in general was creepier than most settings until the TotK underworld and the weird voodoo looking gods from MM

[lucid fjord]

MM is a nightmare

[crude terrace]

like, yeah, edgy teen stuff happened but there was stuff that I don't rmember being as creepy as it is in playing TP again this past month

MM is straight up bananas though

[red torrent]

even stuff like jabujabu doesnt show up in games as much anymore lol. the sort of casual gore of being inside a living creature

theres a lot of 90s games that did that but i cant really think of a recent example

[crude terrace]

casual gore was my nickname in high school

[lucid fjord]

Ape escape did it better, don't @ me

[red torrent]

i still need to play ape escape

[lucid fjord]

So much thumb skin lost from the way too good boxing mini game...

Legaia? Maybe?

Mostly just Evil within and Modern Resi Evil maybe?

There's a game on PS2 called Alter Eco that's on a living planet, can't recall if it's any good or not though

[red torrent]

lmao at the game making a big deal out of ||ganon knocking the master sword out of link's hand||, joke's on them ||i used it for like 30 minutes total lmao||

[forest walrus]

XD

Yeah, once I got the ||Biggoron's Sword|| I almost exclusively used that instead.

[red torrent]

yeah and i got it literally as soon as i possibly could so i didnt even use ||the master sword|| for a single dungeon

Alright I'm done. Took me ~25 hours to do 100% items and 80% skulltulas but I had fun with it

Game holds up pretty well already and SoH smooths out a lot of the rough edges

[faint storm]

yes I know I overdid it

[red torrent]

Nah it was genuinely insightful

[faint storm]

In retrospect I really appreciate the way Majora's Mask introduced horror elements to the Zelda formula tbh

[red torrent]

I'm spoiled now tho lol I think I'm gonna have to wait for the decomp before I play Majora's mask. Going back to n64 emulation would be such a downgrade

[faint storm]

But it coincided well with Majora's Mask increased focus on characters and themes in general. Majora's Mask is not "what if Zelda but 3D" and benefits so much from that.

[red torrent]

Yeah Majora's mask is like links awakening in that sense. I like when Zelda games break away from Zelda/Ganon storylines

[faint storm]

Also rereading my essay I noticed I made a critical boo-boo: my conclusion on the stuff about ||the Well vs. the Shadow Temple|| came after a bunch of other stuff in the middle

specifically this bit, this was the conclusion about ||why the Well is scarier: The Well and the Shadow Temple actually model a big child-adult progression: experiencing something terrifying as a child vs. experiencing it as an adult. There's a huge difference. You have more experience and agency as an adult, and that experience is modeled not just in the "seen it before" sense but also just having the Lens of Truth going in and knowing what the hell you're doing in a way you didn't as a child||

[faint storm]

As far as the game holding out well goes... eh, idk. In retrospect it's, like, actually OK, at least figuring in SoH's QoL upgrades. But the difference between the version of OoT that lives in nostalgia brain and how OoT holds up today is enormous.

[wheat eagle]

oooh good analysis, also: ||you get hover boots in shadow temple whereas in well you keep falling through floors||. that's cool. I never saw that connection before.

[red torrent]

fair I mean the last time I played it was the 3ds version in like 2012 or 2013 probably so I'm comparing this playthrough to that one, not my first time

[cursive rover]

Worst forced stealth section of all time?

Worst forced stealth section of all time

[red torrent]

nah not even close lol. its not good but there's definitely way worse

you can just ||stun the guards with the hookshot||

[cursive rover]

Yeah or the arrows

Thank you Zelda dungeon

[urban temple]

Ok beat the shadow dungeon.

What the fuck is this? A stealth section to get to the desert temple? This I do not like

At least I managed to get the pony

[forest walrus]

I hate stealth sections as much as the next guy, but the one in OoT isn't bad at all, considering that you can easily stun everyone.

[urban temple]

oh i didn't think to stun people - nuts or hook?

[crude terrace]

hookshot and arrows will work

I don't think you can use nuts as an adult

[forest walrus]

Yep, Hookshot and arrows. c:

It makes that area pretty easy imo.

[urban temple]

my main strategy agains ||dark link|| was nut based, so they definately work

[red torrent]

mine was too cuz i ||rolled between his legs|| 😉

but yeah you can use nuts as an adult but not sticks for some reason

[nimble maple]

Yeah it feels so random lol

[fierce lion]

I GOT THE ||COW||!!!

[forest walrus]

Congrats 🥳

[red torrent]

i started a randomizer now that i know the game a lot better and its going way better than last time i tried lol but i still feel like i have way too big of a bredth of options at any given time lol, and i dont really remember which areas have the most chests so im not optimizing my route. wouldnt win a race lol

[fierce lion]

The archery range is kicking my butt

[red torrent]

the ||gerudo|| one?

the pots are 100 points so its worth going for those on your first pass, easier to hit those than bullseyes imo

[fierce lion]

I can get 1300s pretty easily with the pots

But can never get 1500

[red torrent]

are u playing on soh or 3ds? gyro helps so much with the shooting minigames if u arent already using it

it still took me a few tries to break 1500 but only a few

[faint storm]

Wait, you can shoot the pots?

I was only shooting the targets

[red torrent]

yeah

[faint storm]

It took me a couple tries to get 1500

[red torrent]

yeah i was when i got 1000 and then to get 1500 i realised u could shoot the pots lol

[faint storm]

Gyro isn't nearly as good as kb/m but it's better than the sticks

Well fuck me. There I go pushing myself to get a 1500 from the targets alone when I didn't have to do that

[red torrent]

i play competitive splatoon (im not a high-level player but i am on a team and i play tournaments and stuff) so gyro is pretty natural for me lol

[faint storm]

(I guess it helps to show that gyro's a big help tho, because I was using gyro)

Yeah, I'm used to kb/m

Gyro is not nearly as natural to me as that

[fierce lion]

I’m on SoH. I don’t have gyro turned on because anytime I’ve tried to do it the camera freaks out. It took me ~3 tries to get 1000. I’m down to 120 rupees now.

[faint storm]

OK, so

[red torrent]

i turned the gyro sensitivity down a fair bit in soh

[faint storm]

You don't want free look on IIRC

I kept free look off to keep the camera from going bonkers

I unmapped the C buttons from the right stick and put them on the two upper-right face buttons and right bumper instead, the way other people told me to

I routed gyro input to the right stick

[fierce lion]

Yeah, I have the c buttons on my dpad

[faint storm]

My blood just ran cold hearing that.

[fierce lion]

Via steam input or in SoH?

[faint storm]

I think it might've been in Steam Input

IIRC SoH doesn't natively take the Steam Deck's gyro

if it does then fuck me again

[red torrent]

i was playing on android so i just turned on native gyro and had no issues with free look camera, it was just a little too sensitive when aiming

[fierce lion]

I can’t use the ocarina if I map them anywhere else. It means with my brain if the arrows aren’t meaningful

[fierce lion]

It definitely does not which is a shame

[red torrent]

there's a "play ocarina with d-pad" option

[faint storm]

Right, there's another option you can click to operate the ocarina with the D-pad without having the C buttons mapped to it

[fierce lion]

/me sighs

[faint storm]

I don't even know how you're managing to play the game with your items and your movement on the same thumb

[fierce lion]

There are too many options 🙂

[faint storm]

Like that sounds like an actual nightmare

[red torrent]

yeah lmao

[fierce lion]

It’s never been an issue ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[faint storm]

Right, you want the D-pad to be the D-pad, and the C buttons on Y, B, and R1

And top C on wherever you can stick it I guess

[red torrent]

i need to try soh in portmaster on 353m just to see how it runs. the experience on rp3+ was really good. ran it with hd textures and had no performance issues until funnily enough the credit sequence lol

[faint storm]

I ended up mapping top C to L1 because I could fit it there, and then mapping one of the back paddles to L1 so I could actually hit it while locked-on

Get everything off the right stick and have the right stick only control aiming while you've got an aimed item out

route gyro input to right stick

I would then turn off deadzone, or at least reduce it as much as you can

[fierce lion]

This is starting to sound like way too much work for some arrows

[faint storm]

(there's a deadzone setting for each stick in SoH's options--I turned it off, but you can also turn it up if for some reason you really want to keep C buttons on the C-stick. I had them on the C-stick for quite a while and got a lot of false inputs before I turned the deadzone up)

[red torrent]

yeah i mean i got this upgrade last lol it wasnt that important. honestly i used hookshot more than bow lol

[fierce lion]

I don’t think I need the upgrade. I just want it

But all of this is why I hate pc gaming

If the steam deck didn’t provide a console-like experience, it would’ve been sent back in about 30 seconds

Moving the c buttons to the dpad is more configuration than I’ve ever done on the deck before

Out of rupees. Oh well

[red torrent]

yeah i mean i did 100% items so that included all upgrades. including things i definitely didnt need like upgrading my deku nut capacity twice lmao

and the ||ice arrows|| which are basically completely useless

[faint storm]

Deku nuts are actually really handy for things like ||beating Stalfos or other enemies with a guard quickly, or more generally just rolling with the Biggoron's Sword and not having your shield out||

[red torrent]

yeah they're good i just dont need to hold 40 of them lol

[faint storm]

fair. i think a lot of it is just that this game in general isn't that difficult tho

Like you hardly need the upgrades for the stuff you do use

[red torrent]

yeah lol

especially if you are going for 100% and getting heart pieces and bottles and stuff early. i dont think i died at all

[faint storm]

I did not need to spend the time I did exploring for heart pieces and skulltulas and stuff

it wasn't worth it

I probably could've shaved several hours off just sticking to the plot

[red torrent]

i mean was it fun? if it was fun then its worth it

[faint storm]

handwaggles.

Like I say, the best thing about this game was that it led directly to Majora's Mask.

well, that, and prototyped 3D Zelda in general, with later entries going on to be more interesting

[red torrent]

i liked finding dungeon skulltulas but bailed on finding all the overworld ones and bailed on backtracking to dungeons cuz i missed one or two skulltulas lol. but most of the heartpieces were fun to find

[faint storm]

anyway I have to do RL stuff and I'm procrastinating. toodles

[red torrent]

i think this game prototyped 3d action-adventure games to come in general tbh, beyond just zelda.

goodbye!

[fierce lion]

Okay, I did the ocarina with dpad thing and remapped the c buttons to b, y, and l. I didn’t do c up because I don’t ever use that except for Navi which is already set to l, so I’m curious to see how that goes 🙂

[fierce lion]

Oh wow, without gyro this is awful. I can’t hold things like the boomerang and aim at the same time. I guess I’ll have to figure that out

[forest walrus]

C-up is first-person view, which is something you really should be using unless you have played the game multiple times before.

Heck, Banjo Kazooie has the same exact thing with C-up and I'm using that all the time in this game too.

Same with Majora's Mask.

[fierce lion]

First-person view isn’t as needed when you have free aim

[forest walrus]

Eh, I guess so.

[fierce lion]

But I’m going to map it to r3 next time I’m on my deck

And you don’t have to strafe around corners to see what’s there when you can just move the camera

[red torrent]

i usually have a weapon that goes firstperson equipped so i dont need a dedicated first person mode button. might as well just do it with hookshot or bow so i can shoot at things i need to when i see them

[fierce lion]

Well I feel like an idiot. When I tried it, I mapped gyro to the mouse and the camera went nuts. This time I mapped it to the joystick and it works exactly as gyro should work on the steam deck. This is amazing

[red torrent]

yeah its such a big qol difference. tho it definitely makes the game easier lol

some of the minigames and certain dungoen rooms (mostly optional ones i think) go from tricky to pretty easy

[fierce lion]

Though I still don’t know if I can aim the boomerang

Oh, I guess I just have to put it on c left. I’ve been using that almost exclusively for the ocarina

[lucid fjord]

No way, whole point of the thread. It's genuine 💜

[lucid fjord]

Legit, SoH removes the barrier of resistance for the most part, defo decomp time

[faint storm]

Glad I could help. Pluck some keese clean out of the air from halfway across the map for me

[faint storm]

I didn't realize what I was talking about was even that surprising or profound. I'm just kind of surprised

I felt like I was sort of just decanting ambient ideas that people probably already understood in a not-entirely-congealed way

[faint storm]

If you're doing Ship of Harkinian, I'd put the ocarina on the D-pad, because it's something you'll be using constantly but you don't need to whip it out at times you need to be moving

[lucid fjord]

Stream of conciousness analysis, I find, derives deeper understanding of things we already know but want to expand on. It's good stuff

[misty pecan]

Let’s see if this sucks as bad as I remember.

Also, I know I’m late to the party, but SoH with a texture pack is legit amazing.

[red torrent]

that's the 3ds texture pack right? looks pretty different to mine, i used the reloaded pack

[misty pecan]

Nah, it’s reloaded

Just admiring this random wall.

[red torrent]

okay maybe im crazy lmao

[nimble maple]

Yeah water temple is big. At least I got the map and compass early on.

[crude terrace]

I got to the Arbiter's Grounds in TP

one of my all time favorite Zelda boss fights here

[red torrent]

yeah. And then u use the dungeon item line two more times in the whole game lmao

[crude terrace]

shame too, because that fight is just so good

[fierce lion]

I got 1450 this morning. So close.

[long light]

This loach won't even look at my sinking lure - is there a good way to reliably get its attention?

[forest walrus]

As long as it's close enough to the fish then it should work.

I found that using the analog stick to wiggle the lure instead of tapping B is more effective.

[long light]

I've read things that suggest it won't budge if it's in the center of the pond - do I need to wait for it to go to the lilypads before it strikes?

[forest walrus]

Possibly, but I'd recommend exiting and re-entering the fishing pond area to reset the positions of all the fish.

[long light]

I need to exit and re-enter three times to get the fish to spawn. Will it spawn each time I exit/re-enter after that?

[forest walrus]

Idk, I don't think I've ever entered the fishing pond area without there being any fish in the pond. 🤔

[long light]

sorry I meant the loach

[forest walrus]

What's a loach? 😛

[long light]

The Hylian Loach

[forest walrus]

You mean the big fish that gets you the reward?

[long light]

the fish you need the sinking lure for - after getting the ||golden scale||

[forest walrus]

Oh, then I have no idea. 😛
I just get the Heart Piece as Child Link and then the Golden Scale as Adult Link.

I've never gone back after that. 🤷

[zinc plover]

Best part about fishing was stealing the merchants hat as Adult Link. Rest was meh.

[forest walrus]

Agreed

[long light]

STOP RESISTING!!!!!

[forest walrus]

Congrats c:

[nimble maple]

Oh yeah my only good memory of fishing . This time I won’t get lured into fishing .

[zinc plover]

gold lure is great for water temple. Water Temple is great

[nimble maple]

Don’t tell me you have to fish in water temple ??

[zinc plover]

no just to drive deeper

[faint storm]

I didn't really dive because I could just tap the D-pad and sink, but I guess if you don't have that option the gold scale might help for a lot of segments in the Water Temple

[zinc plover]

Diving makes the swimming faster. Iron boots will cut you swimming into half if you switch boots

[faint storm]

Oh, fair point

[torn fulcrum]

The worst part about the water temple is how finicky the final boss is. But I like that dungeon a lot.

[zinc plover]

Yeah the boss fight wasn’t the greatest. The Temple itself is blown out of proportion that it’s hard. At lease to me.

[red torrent]

the issue with water temple is if u miss a few things it can force u to basically do a full loop of the dungeon again

cuz the water level has to be at a specific height for some things and u have to move through the water levels in order

its not too bad if u dont miss any keys but if u do it sucks and if you aren't sure where to find it u can end up having to loop the water levels multiple extra times

[fierce lion]

I think the actual complaint is that the water temple is annoying and it’s easy to miss something and have to cycle through again

But I hate the boss. Though I think I hate the MM water temple’s boss more

[forest walrus]

The Water Temple boss is so easy though, and you can defeat it really quickly.

[torn fulcrum]

I found it a little tedius because z targeting grapple isnt always accurate but you are also in inverted aim when going into FPS Hook mode

More time consuming than difficult

[forest walrus]

Unless you ||Hookshot the ball thing repeatedly until you've got it backed into a corner before you start attacking it||, then you can defeat it extremely fast. 🙂

[zinc plover]

Yes once you know what to do.

I find z targeting annoying in the game. It's great for the jump attack

[nimble maple]

Oh well I’m no smarter than 20 years ago . Water temple still breaks me . Will try again tomorrow .

[misty pecan]

I had to google a guide, I’m as dumb now as I was then. I missed a not-very-obvious small key that took me quite a while to find again.

[nimble maple]

I bet it’s the one that I’m missing .

[misty pecan]

Hint: || in the central tower, when you change the water level at that symbol, it raises a block up from the ground within the tower. There’s a tunnel under that block. ||

[narrow ivy]

Ok, how do I actually place the Spiritual Stones. I can't assign them to C and pressing other buttons doesn't work

[red torrent]

u should just be able to walk up?

[narrow ivy]

Ok I was playing the song in the wrong spot lol

The guide I'm following says "place them"

But you don't do that, you just play the song

[forest walrus]

Maybe you should use Zelda Dungeon's walkthrough instead. ;P

It has pictures and everything. :3

[narrow ivy]

I am

[forest walrus]

Oh

[narrow ivy]

It doesn't say "just play the song on the carpet"

[forest walrus]

Huh.
Well, they also made a video walkthrough on YouTube. 😛

[fierce lion]

Do you not normally place things by playing a musical instrument?

[fierce lion]

I think I’m done trying to get the ||biggest|| quiver. Ganondorf here I come.

[fierce lion]

Though mostly I think I’m just sick of the music that sounds like it’s from Mario 64

[brisk current]

Oh man I was so excited to start the shadow temple

Went to the well to get the lens of truth

Got my popcorn ready

And then suddenly I’m standing in the entrance, with no Dins fire

[red torrent]

no fire arrows either?

[urban temple]

Tbh I only lucked upon the fire arrows

[brisk current]

Yeah I have 4 haha

It’s easier to go back as kid and get Dins fire rather than look for the 30 arrows haha

[red torrent]

if u get a quiver upgrade u get full arrows ijs

[red torrent]

if anyone here plays oot randomizer what are good settings? i have played a bunch of alttp randomizer and i liek the variance but default settings for oot randomizer seem kinda lame? what can i use so i maybe dont have to full clear every dungeon but also i can still kinda read the seed and not be wandering aimlessly

[quick nexus]

so im playing on SoH and for some reason, every now and then when i boot the game it just boots to a black screen? last time i fixed this by plugging my rom back into SoH, but i dont know how to do that without uninstalling and reinstalling the app

is it something to do with the mods im using?

[brisk current]

fellow odin 2 users that are playing this game

with SoH

are you using HIgh Performance? or Performance only?

[quick nexus]

there's still sound and everything so i assume the game's running, its just not rendering anything

okay i seem to have found the problem - i guess i shouldnt be using 8x MSAA

turned it down to about 3x and everything popped back into existance

[red torrent]

only real problem ive had with soh is sometimes if i keep it open for long an djust sleep my device, the audio stops working and i ahve to restart to bring it back

on rp3+

[nimble maple]

Omg water temple was so fn hard

[coarse ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-yityater-gif-26193623

At least water is better than Spirit/Shadow, it’s just more obtuse if you miss a cycle

[urban temple]

Honestly I found the shadow temple a whole lot easier than the water

[urban temple]

Same with me on a rog ally

[crude terrace]

oh Snowpeak Ruins push block puzzle I didn't miss you

[forest walrus]

Yeah, block puzzles always suck.

[crude terrace]

I got it on my second try after a good sleep

[cursive rover]

Was I meant to find the ||fire arrows|| on my own?

[urban temple]

I came across a sign in the wild and went with what it was asking, while I think you have to walk past the sign, you might not have read it

[cursive rover]

I just thought it was for a heart piece or something and didn't bother

[forest walrus]

For the Fire Arrows you need to go to ||Lake Hylia and shoot the sun with an arrow||. c:

After the Water Temple I think? That's when I always do it.

[red torrent]

Yeah it has to be after water temple cuz ||the lake needs to be full again||

[forest walrus]

Ah, right. 🙂

[coarse ocean]

I’d like to see a survey on Water Temple rating versus emulation. It sounds like folks playing SoH emulation didn’t need to access in and out of the menu as much as originally. To me that’s about the most frustrating part

[misty pecan]

Yeah, mapping to keys for taking the boots on and off is huge. Also came in handy in the Shadow Temple.

The water temple is still cryptic in some dumb ways, though.

[urban temple]

100% it’s the best qol improvement in SoH

And honestly, trying to complete the water temple without the ||blue tunic|| still sucks balls

[misty pecan]

...is that a thing you can do?

[coarse ocean]

You do kinda have to wander each opening every time water moves and if you miss one and move the water cycle all the way back through

[coarse ocean]

Yea. That would suck. But easy to get blue tunic… who skips the free one (I don’t normally do spoiler so forget how or would type it out)

[urban temple]

I did, didn’t realise there was a free one, and didn’t have enough skultulla kills to buy one (only found out when I did have enough kills and went back)

[coarse ocean]

Ooph. You learn where the free one is? It one of those things I think I learned as a kid just out of curiosity.

It’s fascinating to me to see my 7 year old son play OoT. We have quite a few games but hats one he’ll go back to frequently just to run around the map like I did when I was a kid

[red torrent]

i forgot about the free one but got it anyway cuz i ||thawed king zora before ice cavern|| for the trade sequence

[urban temple]

Yeah like I said, I went back to get one in the shop while I was about at the end of the water temple, and found it

Only did coz I couldn’t ||kill everything in the room in the sun basement under the tower|| without running out of time

[coarse ocean]

I always just fill all jars with blue fire before leaving ice cavern. Cause I hate the idea I’ll need some and have to go all the way back. Then just stumble into it

[urban temple]

How did you ||thaw him|| before the ice cavern? I thought the ||blue flame|| was only in the ice cavern

[red torrent]

you can get it from the shop in kakariko

[urban temple]

So spoiler are just putting “||” either side of the spoiler text

The most frustrating thing was I had the flame in jars just didn’t use them

[coarse ocean]

Double Ooph

[urban temple]

Oh can you? Damn

[red torrent]

for like, as much as the tunic costs LMAO

[urban temple]

300

[red torrent]

maybe the same amount actually

but i did it so i could get ||biggorons sword|| before i even did forest temple lol

[urban temple]

I haven’t come across ||dat big sword|| and so I remain uneducated- I’ll look up the solution when I’m finished

[coarse ocean]

Wow nice. I don’t think I knew you could get that so early. But I think I seldom get it when I play through anyways

[forest walrus]

Really? The ||Biggoron's Sword|| is so nice though.

[coarse ocean]

I think I liked having sword and shield rather than two handed but it could also just be I never liked the process required to get it

[forest walrus]

Understandable

[nimble maple]

I am guessing the biggoron sword is made by that giant goron at the top of the mountain . He brags about it making a powerful sword but he sure didn’t offer any to me lol

[red torrent]

yeah it doesn't really require any items. u just need epona and u probably want to have some beans planted

[cursive rover]

Also a bonus for 3ds

[coarse ocean]

||I do have broken sword for shadow link||

[brisk current]

Man I’m almost at the spirit temple and I haven’t even got a full row of hearts haha

[red torrent]

did u skip a heart container in a dungeon lol??? like if you've done 7 dungeons u should have 10 hearts

[nimble maple]

Maybe he is doing spirit before shadow ?

I am actually at the same point . I am not sure which is which but I’m going to do the one in gerudo first

[urban temple]

Anyone got an estimate for how long I’ve got left. Currently doing the stealth bit before the spirit temple, Forest, fire, water and shadow temples all done.

Trying to work out if I can complete while watching the nfl draft

[red torrent]

2-3 hours maybe?

[urban temple]

Perfect, thanks

[red torrent]

Spirit temple is pretty linear, getting to it takes about as much time as beating it lol. And then yeah just ganons castle

[copper crane]

All temples down! Almost done.

[red torrent]

i think im bailing on my randomizer run cuz i didnt set interesting enough settings lol. i need to turn down required medallions and some other stuff to make the logic more open i think. get it closer to alttp randomizer where can kinda check the low hanging fruit to figure out what dungeon you're supposed to clear first

this one feels too close to just 100%ing it

[brisk current]

Hahahaha no I think after I’m done with shadow temple I’ll start the second row. But I have skipped every outside heart

I’m basically speed running temples. And look is already April 20 haha

I knew this was gonna happen. I got hooked with rogue galaxy, ace attorney, and live a live. So I decided to just try to speed up ocarina since is the only one I will be able to beat at least (not into the samurai game)

[brisk current]

Wait… there’s Ganon castle as well? Oh shit

[urban temple]

I cannot for the life of me find this 4th carpenter

[zinc plover]

get to the top of the building. jump to the platform on the left.

[crude terrace]

Ganon's Castle isn't long at all

[forest walrus]

It's really not. I hate the fire room in Ganon's Castle though. It sucks in both OoT and Master Quest.

[crude terrace]

Yeah 1000%

[brisk current]

Oh ok. I thought it was like the nes or snes version

Which I love, but they’re a nightmare haha

Ganons castle on the NES second quest is a legit nightmare if you’re not using a guide

Those “secret doors” are legit crazy hard

[urban temple]

thank you

[timber fractal]

My wife and I really enjoy the triforce hunt mode, takes away from the "complete every dungeon" goal and makes it more about accomplishing whatever you can in the seed given to you. I also like the "vanilla" requirements for opening Ganon's castle, which is just shadow and spirit medallion. The seed will usually point you in the direction of the dungeons that have those two medallions as rewards for finishing them, so you get a short and unique rando every time

[narrow ivy]

Man I need to get on OoT. Only 10 days left

I haven't finished any of the GOTMs yet

[red torrent]

if you've played it before and stay on the critical path it shouldnt take too long. first time guideless might be a little tight in 10 days tho

[narrow ivy]

I've never played before, I'm following a guide and trying to skip stuff that isn't necessary now

[urban temple]

Oh my god. It too me an embarrassing amount of time to work out how to cross the sorta quick sand in the dessert

[umbral nebula]

Alright, I played for a few hours last night and got to Jabu Jabu, and I'll see if I can't beat the game by the end of the day.

OoT really is quite short when you've played it too many times lol.

[umbral nebula]

Fun Fact: You can instantly kill the jelly fish in the Barinade fight with Deku Nuts. Instead of having to kill each one individually with the Boomerang.

[narrow ivy]

I'm not sure what all the hype is about this game, this being my first time playing it. The controls suck and it's just like all the other games with annoying puzzles that you almost NEED a guide to figure out. I guess it's nostalgia for most people which is fair.

[umbral nebula]

Other than like, the Water Temple and Spirit Temple I can't really think of any hard to figure out puzzles? It's a game that very much knows it's the one of the first of its kind, and has made its level design based around that.

It's not like Majora's Mask that very much assumed your used to navigating a 3D space and puzzle box and thus tossed a lot of complexity to its dungeons at you.

[urban temple]

I mean, as a counter argument, I’m not using a guide and the puzzle which has taken me the longest to work out was the aforementioned quick sand which was absolutely a skill issue

Water temple was a sod though

(As in frustrating)

[umbral nebula]

Water Temple's issue is really that it's too open.

That and raising/lowering the water levels if you mess anything up, because you went a wrong way.

[narrow ivy]

My pov when I insult OoT

[umbral nebula]

I mean, what did you expect?

A discussion is a back and forth my guy. You put forth a statement, people respond back.

[wind arrow]

Water temple was far worse in Majora's Mask IMO. Don't understand all the complaining about it in OOT

[narrow ivy]

It was a joke

[zinc plover]

WTF, ||200 Rubys|| for collecting then all. Fuck all the way off game.

[forest walrus]

Oh absolutely. The Great Bay Temple in Majora's Mask sucks so much.

[fierce lion]

It’s essentially ||unlimited rupees|| because you can leave and go back and get it again

But yes. There isn’t much point after the prize for 50

[red torrent]

yeah by the time you have all skulltulas u shouldnt really ahve much left to spend money on

[zinc plover]

Ice arrows were annoying as hell to get. On to GANON's castle

[red torrent]

even worse is that they're almost totally useless lol

[faint storm]

Close. Scratch the "almost" and you're there

[zinc plover]

Yeah, after I beat Gannon I will have 100% this game. I don’t think you any special ending. I wasted a lot of time 100% this game

[red torrent]

I had fun with some of the side content honestly. Most of the heartpieces were fun to find/get. Wandering hryule field on foot looking for stone of agony triggers for the last few was less fun

But yeah I bailed on skulltulas lol

[forest walrus]

I got 100% completion because I just didn't want to beat the game. 😛

I wanted to keep playing OoT, and I still beat Master Quest afterwards.

[red torrent]

I mostly did 100% so I could learn where things were so I would be able to give randomizer a go lol.

[zinc plover]

Ok I am done. Here is so food for thought. ||Bowser and Gannon have the same weakness.||

Now I know what to do and where everything is. I think I could clear this game in a easy 12 hours.

[fierce lion]

Almost? I don’t remember ever using them

[zinc plover]

I didn’t use them at all. Spent like 40 mins getting them

[wheat leaf]

This is my second time playing it since I first did about 25 years ago. I didn't remember the water temple being a big deal. And just finished it today. I thought it was way easier than Fire. I'm not sure what the deal is

[fierce lion]

Water temple isn’t hard. It’s annoying.

[red torrent]

water temple has things that you can just miss and then it makes it very ahrd to backtrack to get them. so compared to missing a key in another dungeon its just a lot harder for you to go back and find it and still pretty possible that you miss it again

cuz it just forces you to navigate it in a very specific order

[wind arrow]

I also did the 100% for bragging rights. Probably wouldn't do it again but it was fun to be able to say I've done it

[zinc plover]

It was my first time playing past the opening. It was fun and exhausting. 40 hour in game lol

[wind arrow]

Lol! Yeah all the extra activities really padded that playtime

First time I've played the game in 10 years. Was nice because I did not remember most of puzzles

[narrow ivy]

Mfw I drink the 7 year old lon lon milk that child link has in his pockets the whole time

I forgot my scarecrow song

[forest walrus]

In Majora's Mask I originally made the Scarecrow's Song Zelda's Lullaby when I played it on original hardware.
With the playthrough of MM on Switch I decided to go with the Bolero of Fire. c:

(in OoT my Scarecrow's Song was just: down, right, up, left ×2)

[umbral nebula]

One of my biggest praises with OoT is how much freedom the game really gives you once you become Adult Link and get the hookshot. It's dramatically more open than any other 3D Zelda game before Breath of the Wild.

[crude terrace]

I feel that, Twilight Princess has a MASSIVE Hyrule Field for example but you're limited in where you can go I feel without all of the exploration stuff

but it does get better with the hookshot

sorry, clawshot

[umbral nebula]

I also mean open in terms of progression. In OOT once you get the hookshot you can do the forest, fire, water temples in any order. And after those three you can do the spirit and shadow temples in either order.

[crude terrace]

oh for sure

idk if anyone has seen the Boss Keys videos about Zelda and their dungeons but they're interesting to see about how open or linear the dungeons and puzzles actually are.

critically they're basically one way only but its neat in how the level design and just playing them itself feels different in execution

[red torrent]

i dont think this is true? not totally sure about fire temple but u definitely need the bow for water

[umbral nebula]

Yeah you're right. I should've put almost any order. You do need to beat Forest to beat Water. Though iirc, you can get pretty far before you need the bow, since the torches can be lit with Din's Fire instead. So you only need the bow for the two eye-to-door parts.

So Forest, Fire, Water | Fire, Forest, Water | Forest, Water, Fire. Still decent amount of freedom there.

[red torrent]

Yeah and you can do spirit after water

I did forest -> water -> spirit -> fire -> shadow

[umbral nebula]

Yeah, I kinda forgot you can just go straight to spirit after Water

[red torrent]

yeah. and if shadow wasnt gated by beating water i think you could do shadow -> spirit before water even? u just ||hover boots or longshot|| to get to spirit, not sure if you need either to actually clear the dungeon

[umbral nebula]

In the end, it does make even casual replays of the game somewhat refreshing for me.

Since I can almost always do a new order of the dungeons if I want.

And the child segment of the game is really quite short

[zinc plover]

I just wish there was a song I could play that would transform in time.

[red torrent]

i think there was a setting in SoH to make song of time do that

[zinc plover]

I played basically vanilla using SoH. Besides the texture pack

[red torrent]

i turned on a few timesavers. i accidentally made my scarecrow song really long cuz i forgot it counts pauses when u make the song so i turned on fast scarecrow song lol

[zinc plover]

I made the climbing/moving blocks/opening chest faster

[nimble maple]

I was heading to spirit after water but the gatekeeper of the desert told me something that made me think I should go to shadow first .

[red torrent]

you should do ||bottom of the well|| first

but u can do that after beating forest temple as long as u get ||song of storms||

[nimble maple]

That’s where I am currently

[brisk current]

Im at the adult part of the spirit temple

After that is just ganon store and then ganon right?

[umbral nebula]

ganon store lol

[brisk current]

Shit I mean ganons tower haha

[zinc plover]

There is a force field you have to undo first.

[wheat leaf]

So, beat the water temple, about how much more is left hours-wise?

And I've never once gone back as a kid. I probably did last time I've played it but I haven't felt the need

[nimble maple]

I am not far ahead of you . I think we have quite a lot .

And at that point you will need to go back to a child soon

[red torrent]

yeah its mandatory to beat the game. there's some items u have to get as a child that u cant get until youve done certain things as an adult

[narrow ivy]

I'm just now at fire temple, am I going to finish in time with fast forwarding and skipping optional stuff?

[zinc plover]

https://tenor.com/view/go-for-it-you-can-do-it-encourage-do-it-gif-14006408

[red torrent]

yeah should be doable. tight maybe but doable

[nimble maple]

Is there something to do in the well beside getting the lens of truth ?

I feel like I’m just opening chests with rupees or other useless stuff

[red torrent]

only mandatory thing is lens of truth yeah

[umbral nebula]

Money, gold skulltulas, map/compass, nothing mandatory.

[narrow ivy]

Finished fire dungeon

[nimble maple]

I should have left this creepy place long ago lol

[umbral nebula]

Yep, at this point for me it's go in, get the lens, bail immediately.

[dark smelt]

I'm also mostly not enjoying it, but I think it's the type of game that actually gets better the second time you play it. Or if you just play it to, you know, play it, rather than to complete it, like one does for gotm.

For every issue I have with the game, someone goes like, WELL, you can use X to make it simpler/less annoying, where X is some fucking item I've never seen, cause you actually have to go out of your way to get it. I obviously don't know that, cause I play for the first time, and try to use the guide only when necessary, since the game actually tries to tell you what to do often enough so that you don't feel lost.

But it's kinda unfair, I think, to look at it without the perspective of when it was released, that it's first 3D Zelda on first nintendo 3D console. When I play like I would any other game, I bang my head against the wall and find things super annoying or unintuitive. But I think when they designed it, they wouldn't be able to wrap their head around the concept that someone will play it to complete it, rather than to JUST PLAY IT.

For when it was released, there is so much cool stuff in it, you are expected to just spend time to check what happens when I do this and that, and go there and use this item etc. And back then it was probably really fun and really worth it. But when you have 30 days and sometimes not even an hour a day to dedicate to it, you just don't play it as intended.

[red torrent]

yeah that's probably pretty accurate. it also would have been a big "did you know if you put a bomb here it opens up a secret cave" type game on the playground when it was new

[dark smelt]

I remember being at school and when we, as kids, would play our first open world rpgs. We had Internet, but weren't power users, or maybe it was just more fun to actually find stuff for your own, so we would play the game, and next day in school everyone shared what they found, like there's a cave there and you will find really good sword in itetc. This game has that kind of vibe, I'm not just in a position to enjoy it as much.

[red torrent]

yeah fair. maybe i thought it held up better this time around cuz it was i think maybe my fourth or fifth playthrough (including a master quest one) so i remembered the critical path and a lot of the bigger secrets

[fierce lion]

Between LoZ and ALttP I spent a large chunk of my youth walking around hyrule burning/slashing at every bush and bombing every wall. I think some of the obscurity comes from expecting players to do that

[red torrent]

yeah and they still do that to this day with botw/totk lol. 100%ing those is miserable

[fierce lion]

It’s been a long time, but I wonder if reading the instruction manual would help

[narrow ivy]

I'm "enjoying" it more now but I'm just following a video guide so I get everything right

I didn't play Zelda as a kid, which is why I think it's a rose tinted glasses thing

Like I always thought TES4 was one of the greatest games of all time cause I played it so much as a teenager.

But that game got some stank on it

[umbral nebula]

Eh, I have a friend that had never played a Zelda game who played OoT and most of the other 3D Zelda games for the first time two years ago, and he loves OoT and Twilight Princess. And he's the weirdo that likes to 100% every single game he plays, even if he's not enjoying the process of doing so.

[wheat leaf]

This game definitely is a product of its time. It's good but back then it was mind blowing. Nothing was like it, not even close

[umbral nebula]

Goemon 64 /s

[wheat leaf]

Even the original Zelda. Just so much better than other adventure games at the time

[umbral nebula]

OG Zelda is something I learned to like as I got older lol.

Zelda 2 especially is something I learned to like. I hated that game when I first played it lol. But once I got the combat to click with me, it's actually one of my favorite games on the NES.

[red torrent]

Og Zelda has never clicked that much for me honestly. I respect it but I like the later 2d Zeldas a lot more

I think because Zelda 2 is so different it's easier for me to separate from the rest of the series and judge it on its own merits

[umbral nebula]

But yeah, there isn't an official mainline Zelda game I don't like, which is hard for me to say for with any series.

Even Mario, depending on what one counts as mainline.

[torn fulcrum]

I disliked this game as a kid. I played it when it released and I couldn't fathom at the time why it controlled so clunky compared to something like Crash Bandicoot. I also resented the fact there wasn't a jump button and you had to do bad angles to make jumps OR do the most robotic motions to move around in a lot of the platforming (which was boring)

Playing through it now, I appreciate what it did for gaming while also understanding that this game single handidly made the entire formula for 3D zelda paint by numbers with the exception of Majora until BotW.

It's not a bad game. But I still don't think its a masterpiece. It was behind the times in terms of movement and handling when it released, and the vanilla game really feels bad during combat.

Things haven't really improved in those regards by the Spirit Temple so they aren't really going to get better with barely any game left.
Still love the Iron Knuckle fight though.

[red torrent]

Idk if it was really behind the time for movement and handling? What other full 3d games with open 3d environments do u think played better?

[torn fulcrum]

I would argue that Mario 64 had open environments and even just ground movement feels better

Spyro came out the same year and the movement and controlling is smoother and better

While its not exactly a 1 to 1 in gameplay, I'm strictly speaking on how good it feels to move in 8 directions on the ground

Also thats the same year Gex:Enter the Gecko and I think Banjo-Kazooie. Really it comes down to OOT feels like the game engine controls were built in 1995 and didn't update to the standards of 3D controls as it was being developed. (Which is understandable)

It still is objectively a "good" game
That really can't be argued and this playthrough is finally making me come to terms with that rather than just going "OOT is a bad game because it controls like a nightmare"

[silver latch]

I’ll admit my opinion is biased because I played this game at launch and have loved it ever since, but I scratch my head with a lot of these comments. I always thought it controlled really well, and I can’t fathom not knowing where to go next between the saria, navi, and the map.

[umbral nebula]

I legit forgot spots on the map light up when there's something of interest there. I didn't notice it at all until this replay.

[narrow ivy]

Of course you can't fathom not knowing where to go, you've been playing it on and off for 25 years

I never said the game was bad I just said I didn't get the hype. People seem to like this one more than most of the 3D ones

[umbral nebula]

For me it's about pacing, and the non-linearity I mentioned earlier. The main quest of OoT has very little fat to it compared to most of the other 3D Zeldas. You're going dungeon to dungeon in a pretty brisk pace. Compared to almost any other 3D Zelda of its ilk and there's a lot of required story or travel between dungeons.

[red torrent]

I don't really agree lol I really felt the lack of analog with spyro

And I fought the camera a lot

[silver latch]

People are allowed to not get the hype, and like anything, there are some good reasons to criticize OoT. But I think some of the criticisms are a stretch, even through a modern lens

[fleet warren]

this needs to be a sticker

[forest walrus]

Yeah, it's not fair to compare a 3D action adventure game like OoT to a 3D platformer. Games in those genres are trying to do very different things.
If you compare OoT's gameplay to other 3D action adventure games from the time, like Tomb Raider, Mystical Ninja, or Soul Reaver, then it absolutely holds its own imo.

[zinc plover]

I am a person who have only played Oot and Spyro here. I think Spyro controls a lot better. OoT has better Dungeons. OoT holds your hand the whole game I felt. As for secrets the fairy shows you where everything is and if you off the main quest it will tell where to go. I said it before but this game needs to be played with the sound on. In all LoZ games you can hit the walls with your sword and he makes a hollow sound if it’s bombable. I can see if I was 8-12 how I would love this game. Why I love LttP because I played that game when I was 8. It’s not a bad game but I think people over hype it at times.

[forest walrus]

I don't get it either, I've always liked how Ocarina of Time controls.

I wasn't into LoZ games when I was a kid.
The first time I played the original LoZ, Link's Awakening DX, and Ocarina of Time was all on 3DS.

[umbral nebula]

I think part of is that I just see it as mostly normal 3rd person action adventure controls, without a camera stick.

OoT is basically the foundation that even to this day that kind of game uses for its controls. So I find it pretty easy, if a bit clunky, to go back to having to Z/L target to fix the camera. Something I do in Souls games or other 3d action games a lot to quickly turn the camera around.

[zinc plover]

The camera is dog shit when it comes to the keis(bat things). No matter how much you use the z button or try to track in first person mode. Also having to constantly watch the top of the screen to know what the one action button is going to allow you to do. Is super annoying also.

Oh shit the action changed now I am on top of the block instead of pushing it in this timed puzzle. Guess I will jump off. Wait I did a super jump and fell down a hole and have to start over. Oh shit did it again. I will just slow try to jump down wait why did I grab the ledge? Oh right because this game has great controls. Miss me with all of that. I took a 5 days off from playing this after that keep happing. Controls aren’t good. PERIOD end of story

[forest walrus]

I've never had significant problems with OoT's controls. 🤷
Yeah, flying enemies can be kind of annoying to deal with, and occasionally I'll do something that I didn't mean to, but that's it.

[zinc plover]

I just don’t think the controls are all that great. The pacing of the game and “side missions” make the game.

[umbral nebula]

See now I can see your reasonings. Mostly I was expressing mild confusion, because I kept getting "controls bad" lol.

If you had that much frustration with the game's controls, then I can get why it pissed you off that much.

[zinc plover]

I would say Mystical Ninja staring Goemon. Is way better than OoT in my opinion. Better story, game play, dungeons, bosses, less freedom

[umbral nebula]

I still need to play that game, always been interested in it

[zinc plover]

We played it January of 2023. It’s slow to start out. I just feel like OoT has a lot of filler that doesn’t really reward you for doing the side quests. Like the ice arrows. What hell are they used for? Or getting 100 golden Skuldas ||for untitled money ||towards the end of the game. Useless. After the water temple it feels like the 500 people working on this game decide to phone it in at the end. || the final bosses weakness is the same as Mario64. Huge let down to me. ||

[oblique egret]

500 people ? Oot was made by around 50 people

Even BotW didn't have 500 people on it

Nintendo isn't Walmart, how many people you think they have in there

[umbral nebula]

Almost done with this playthrough of OoT. Time to get my first full point in GotX.

[zinc plover]

I got it wrong. Over 200 people worked on Oot.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time#:~:text=Ocarina of Time was developed,staff of more than 200.

I think it holds the record most people Nintendo had working on a game

Now I find conflicting data that 100 internal people work on the game but 300 total are credited.

[oblique egret]

Yeah Google tells me 50 at Nintendo 120 total

The exact number seems very vague

In any case way more people than MM

[umbral nebula]

There are about 95 names credited to OoT, not including the Special Thanks. Dunno where that article got its info of 'over 200'. It's about 107 if you include Special Thanks, but there are companies in the special thanks, not just people..

https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/credits

[zinc plover]

“Forty of fifty. It’s the biggest development group I’ve ever had. We also have a programming company working closely with us. If I include those people, maybe 120 people are working on Zelda altogether.” - Shigeru Miyamoto, Nintendo Power vol. 111, 1998

[umbral nebula]

Really, I say we just chalk it up as "it was a boat load of people for the time". Since I don't think there's really any exact numbers.

[zinc plover]

Still a ton of people at that time.

[umbral nebula]

Agreed

[zinc plover]

That is a ton of people now

I heard 500 from a youtuber. Can't trust them

[long light]

I think I might actually die. I have no idea where the last one is…

[umbral nebula]

This is the article btw that is Wikipedia's source for "over 200 people" lol. It's a fucking game review lmao. They're also seemingly the only source for the "The game cost $12 million to develop". According to them the game cost 2 million to make, advertising 10 million.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1998/11/12/zelda-hits-a-bullseye/

Every thing else I can find about the over 200 people or the $12 million budget leads back to this game review.

[zinc plover]

The ||fairy in the water area || move the gaint rock now that you have the golden braces

[faint storm]

Have you at least identified what map area it's in?

Areas where you've gotten all the skulltulas have a gold skulltula icon. This includes areas on the world map, as well as dungeon maps

(for dungeon maps it shows a gold skulltula on the dungeon map if you have every skulltula in it)

[long light]

I got that one

[long light]

I did not know this! I'm going to check the map again, this will help a lot

[zinc plover]

That was my 100th one

[faint storm]

you did a very impressive job getting to 100 without it

[long light]

It's in Zora's domain!! HA! thank you @faint storm !! This probably means it's somewhere in the water temple or something corny but I was so dumb not to notice those icons - thank you!

[faint storm]

Do you mean the ice cavern?

I'd duck into the ice cavern and check if it has the skulltula icon

also Jabu Jabu

[long light]

Ok I get it - the local map has the icon too, if i've gotten them all. Ice cavern has it so I'm guessing it's Jabu Jabu! Man I feel silly, I had no idea there was this much indication of where they were

[long light]

Hmm, both the ice caverns and Jabu Jabu are covered - does the river count as Zora’s Domain?

[coarse ferry]

Gotta check sources always

[long light]

It was the one next to the high dive in the domain itself - got em all!

[faint storm]

congrats

[dark smelt]

Not having jump button is a crime. That's why I don't like that PS1 Harry Potter game.

[urban temple]

A lens of truth, even?

[red torrent]

i really didnt like the way goemon controlled

[wheat leaf]

Controls are an interesting discussion. You can see how games like Metal Gear Solid evolve with controls even though it had the same controller the entire series. Like MGS V controls perfectly but MGS 3 takes some getting used to, even though they had the same buttons

I think in the 90s they just didn't have amazing 3D control schemes to emulate or learn from

[silver latch]

My only beef with the controls is first person aiming being inverted in the original (can be fixed in SoH and is alleviated by gyro in the 3ds remake). I think the auto jumping is actually a cool innovation that takes potential platforming falls out of the game. Since it is not a platformer, all you have to worry about is jumping in the right direction. The action button changing what it does depending on the context is maybe a mild annoyance every once in a while, but I never found it to take me out of the flow

[narrow ivy]

Tell that to Epona, I can never time jumps correctly lol

Finished the water temple, into the well now

[wheat leaf]

I'm inverted aiming/looking on controllers so that definitely never bothered me

[silver latch]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-galloping-video-game-gif-17554532

ah yeah, Epona getting lined up for jumps is another annoyance that I forgot about.

[zinc plover]

I didn't find the Epona jumping bad. Trying to get off Epona was annoying.

[narrow ivy]

Is there any reason I shouldn't wear the blue tunic when I'm not in the water temple? I fucks with the drip

[nimble maple]

I never bothered taking the blue tunic off lol

[trail reef]

You shouldn't wear blue because ||red has more drip||

[nimble maple]

I’m not familiar with drip . What is this and why is it important ?

[trail reef]

Drip is slang for like looking cool

[copper crane]

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/drip/ the more you know ⭐

[narrow ivy]

I love zoomer lingo, it's so silly

Bussin no cap ong

The shadow temple is full of opps, mad sus

[trail reef]

I wonder if I can run that through Google translate and get it put in English

[copper crane]

I always love saying that stuff to my niece and nephews. I make sure to drop the stuff they haven't said in a year or two and it embarrasses the hell out of them.

[copper crane]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

[zinc plover]

Drip is becasue if you look cool enough. Your body will have a drip where it shouldn't.

[zinc plover]

don't be the OPS

[copper crane]

Not ops. No cap.

[zinc plover]

https://tenor.com/view/too-much-overwhelmed-sigh-a-lot-stress-gif-5987920037539735892

[patent spruce]

boots and tunic acquired

time to swim

or I guess drown in a contreolled manner

[zinc plover]

Wait it is too hard. Go ask someone for help. You will never pull this off yourself.

[patent spruce]

okay

[red torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-loz-legend-of-its-gif-4598758

[urban temple]

At one point this gif says “it’s dan” and to be honest I stopped looking after that

[narrow ivy]

It's Dang

[zinc plover]

GIF stopped here lol.

[oblique egret]

Is that the What is he Thinking video

This joke might be too niche. Maybe smith will get that one and save me

[red torrent]

nope sorry

if u mean The Streets song i know the song but havent seen the video

[wheat leaf]

See you in hell, Shadow Temple

[coarse ferry]

At least the boss is good

[wheat leaf]

Boss hits like a truck.

[narrow ivy]

I thought he was pretty easy, the toughest one for me was actually ||phantom ganon with the ping pong||

[zinc plover]

Have you beat the game yet?

[narrow ivy]

Just about to do spirit temple

[red torrent]

shadow temple boss hits really hard but also if u know what to do its pretty easy to not get hit

[fierce lion]

Only that a like like can eat it

[patent spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/my-childhood-gif-18356720

[wheat leaf]

My z targeting was jank a bit but I figured what to do pretty quickly. Had a fairy on hand. I'm not sure if my heart's are way below avg though (only one into row 2)

[nimble maple]

Just reached the boss of shadow temple . Just 5 days left not sure I’ll make it

[wheat leaf]

You don't think so?

Did shadow today, just about to go into the spirit temple

[zinc plover]

I count 7 days left

[nimble maple]

I never beat the game before but since I have the whole spirit temple left as well as Ganon’s castle , it seems far away

[nimble maple]

My gaming time is mostly 9-11 pm , so today is over and the 30 will be too late

[wheat leaf]

It's been forever since I beat it. I don't know how long spirit and Ganon take

[nimble maple]

All temples are pretty huge

So far

[odd wedge]

Spirit temple is pretty straightforward, assuming you have ||the lens of truth||. Ganon trials is really easy. Not much left, you can do it!

[nimble maple]

Oh I’ll try thanks !

[wheat leaf]

I've done each temple in a sitting, a couple hours maybe each

[nimble maple]

I know I also have challenges waiting for me in the desert

[nimble maple]

For me a couple of days each lol

[wheat leaf]

I'm skipping the garudo challenges. Just freed the dudes and going right to spirit

[nimble maple]

Oh I didn’t know I could do that . The gatekeeper in the desert seemed to say I have to do them

[wheat leaf]

It doesn't seem like it. The lady at the gate just opened it up for me

[odd wedge]

Nope, it's not required. You get an item for completing it, but it isn't required

[nimble maple]

Yeah she opened a gate for me too but said something about two challenges including one requiring the lens of truth . That’s why I went to shadow first

[nimble maple]

Will the item help you for the rest of the game ?

[wheat leaf]

Ohhh that's not quite a challenge. More like just instructions. Took 5 minutes

[odd wedge]

Not really? If you want to know what it is, it's ||the ice arrows||. Not required for anything, and you can skip them entirely if you are in a time crunch

[wheat leaf]

Spirit temple will have to wait for tomorrow. Tired and I just lost my 3 minute old Deku shield

[narrow ivy]

She's talking about what's beyond the gate

But yeah you need the ||lens|| and ||longshot||

[forest walrus]

Yeah, I think you guys were talking about two different gates. 😛
There's one that leads into the desert that's in-between the Gerudo Fortress and the Spirit Temple.
There's a different gate that leads into the Gerudo Training Grounds.

[brisk current]

Do I need the ice arrows?

[faint storm]

Not even a little bit. They are worthless.

[brisk current]

Or can I skip straight to Ganons castle

[faint storm]

Skip straight to the castle.

Don't piss around getting ice arrows. You will never use them.

[nimble maple]

Covered !

[wheat leaf]

Weird. I didn't use the second one one bit in the desert. I used my magic shoes to not sink anywhere

[urban temple]

Same here. Like I said before it took be bloody forever to work that out though

[nimble maple]

I have all those tools so let’s see what happens !

[wheat leaf]

Getting from Gerudo to the temple was pretty uneventful. I expected the desert to be vast but I'm glad it wasn't

I ain't got time for a big desert!

[patent spruce]

couldn't figure out why ||the village wouldn't catch fire to advance the plot||

turns out I wandered out of the Forest Temple to get hookshot and never came back

[narrow ivy]

These stupid ||witches won't line up||

Also what's up with the ||evil witch jiggle physics?|| This game was rated E!

[narrow ivy]

I guess it's just as bad as the weirdo Fairy fountain fairies

[oblique egret]

so in SoH if I had auto save on, how can i continue my save? Loading it brings me back to just before the final fight

[urban temple]

I think in dungeons it still brings you to the entrance to the dungeon

[oblique egret]

i finished the game

but when i reload the save i'm stuck at the escape sequence

[urban temple]

Doesn’t sound like it saved, I’m sorry

[zinc plover]

I dislike the escape sequence. Final battle was good. Twin Witches was my favorite boss battle.

[oblique egret]

it saves after the credits ?

[urban temple]

I’m sorry I don’t know

[oblique egret]

oh ok. because my issue is that it did save. At an inconvenient spot for me

i thought you were saying that it's supposed to save again after

[torn fulcrum]

When I was a kid, I went from Zelda 1 -> Link's Awakening -> OOT and was angry that they took jumping on command away.

The second half of Twinrova, waiting for your 3rd blast of the same element and they keep using the other one

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

[umbral nebula]

I got lucky with that in this playthrough. Two cycles, first three fires and then three ice.

[zinc plover]

I had this happen 15 times in a row to me. I was BEEPing away also. Wife had to check on me.

[forest walrus]

I don't think I've ever gotten that unlucky with Twinrova.

[zinc plover]

It was still my favorite boss. Ping pong boss was annoying. Mario64 boss was basic. Fire boss was great. Water boss was annoying.

[nimble maple]

Shadow boss was weird .

For some reason fire arrows didn’t work like I couldn’t even use them

So it took me a while to realize that I needed to use regular arrows .

I actually used around 50 hearts for that battle lol

[zinc plover]

Besides the light arrows the other ones are pointless to me. Just filler.

[nimble maple]

Yeah light arrows are the one I am talking about

It’s as if they were disabled for that fight

I might do the boss rush after my play through now that I know the strategy for each

[zinc plover]

I used spin for Bongo Bongo and jump attack when he charged.

[nimble maple]

For jump attack do you need to lock it with z

[zinc plover]

Yes, it's awkward at first. If your fast with the controls it works well.

I just hate using the bow.

[umbral nebula]

I imagine because you can't get the light arrows before you fight Bongo Bongo

[nimble maple]

What aren’t those the ones that you get while aiming the sun? I got them right after water temple .

Or those are fire arrows and light Arrows is another thing ?

[red torrent]

light arrows are another thing

[zinc plover]

Fire, Ice and Light. Fire, help lighting things but there are other ways so not need. Ice, I have no clue what these do or if they are needed. Light are need for Gannon and his dudgeon.

[red torrent]

ice are useless. they do a lot more in MM

[umbral nebula]

Ice Arrows are basically just a "huh neat" item. The only functionality I know that they have, other than just doing more damage iirc, is that they can freeze Bongo Bongo's hands, which is amusing and nothing more.

[narrow ivy]

OoT done!

I think shadow ganon was still harder that regular ganon but maybe I was just worse at it back then

[umbral nebula]

Good ol' dead man's volley.

[red torrent]

did u have ||biggorons sword|| for the real ganondorf fight? it makes the pingpong easier lol

[narrow ivy]

Nah I didn't go through the effort cause I was worried about finishing in time

Don't get me wrong I was using savestates the whole game

[red torrent]

fair lol. i did it as soon as i possibly could so i had it for both fights lol

[narrow ivy]

FF too

[umbral nebula]

Real men use a ||bottle|| for ganondorf.

[nimble maple]

So that means that fire arrows were those that were disabled for bonga bonga

[wheat leaf]

That's the problem with SoH and the 3DS, have to play it the "real" way

[narrow ivy]

I wouldn't have finished it if that were the case lol

[wheat leaf]

Wondering if I can convert my save to .srm

[zinc plover]

Jump atttack || hold R and hit attack button|| easist boss ever

[wheat leaf]

I was gonna play Majora's mask soonish but after having to blast through this I think I'll take a few months break

[zinc plover]

SoH is comming for MM. Soon. I say we wait

[brisk current]

so no voting for MM now?

Ive been spoiled with SoH.... I can't play MM unless is SoH as well haha

[zinc plover]

Nope. Way too soon.

[red torrent]

yeah even if i wasnt waiting for soh id want to give it some time to breathe lol

[narrow ivy]

What's the May theme?

[coarse ferry]

Mario may

[narrow ivy]

Oh metamorphosis

[coarse ferry]

Metamorphosis is a good theme, but games that will win won’t really match the theme that well

[red torrent]

i mean we'll see?

im hoping wonder boy 3 can pull it off, i think smb1 is in that too many people have played it to death bucket.

[coarse ferry]

And yet wario land 4 keeps getting nominated

Played to death but won’t die

[wheat eagle]

I’ve never played Wario Land 4. But there are too many other cool games in 2000+.

[red torrent]

ya i mean its a decent game but i dont get why it keeps getting nominated so often lol. people didnt really fw wario land 3 when that won

[zinc plover]

Killer 7 is all we need

[red torrent]

yeah tho i also like megaman zx a fair bit (tho the metroidvania part of it is done pretty badly lol)

but killer7 is just gonna be an all-timer discussion thread lol

[zinc plover]

I was going down the Killer 7 rabbit hole for 3 days and had to stop myself to get the full experience of playing it for the first time.

[red torrent]

there are definitely people who are gonna hate it but its certainly not boring at least lol

[fierce lion]

This feels like the wrong channel for this discussion

[silver latch]

I had only played zelda 1 and 2 before OoT, and I had not beaten Adeventure of Link at the time. I didn't manage that until years later with save states. I played LttP and LA a few years later when I got a GBA SP. I vaguely remember the general consensus at the time of release being that auto jump took a little getting used to, but wasn't detrimental, which I agree with. Obviously I'm used to it now and after several play throughs it feels natural

[torn fulcrum]

Yeah, auto jump gets annoying when trying to move around ledges, also the fact you can't jump when in Z-target is kinda bungo as well.
Its just a clunky system. Not hard to get a handle of, but its never been "fun" to control for me. That's all

[red torrent]

yeah i think it made sense given n64 controller layout. i think i would rather have the extra item slot than have a jump button (and also have that jump button be in a kind of awkward spot and/or demote the context sensitive button)

[torn fulcrum]

I barely use all 3 slots at the same time, so putting an item slow on L would have been fine. (For stuff like ocarina or bottle) and would rather have jump at C-Down

C-right and C-left for things like arrows and bombs, hookshot, etc. C-down for Ocarina.

[silver latch]

we need an emoji like but instead of "same" it says "fair"

[torn fulcrum]

Yeah, I mostly was saying as an adult who has lost his "hate" for this game, I recognize its not as bad as I always said it was

But I am recognizing my hate for it came from how clunky it felt to control back in the day, which I can recognize now with a look at it again

[silver latch]

Yep, all fair takes. Not ones that ever bothered me, but I can see how it could bother plenty of people

[zinc plover]

@sly forum

[red torrent]

would instantly jump to my most used emoji lmao

[coarse ocean]

In the last year I beat shadow temple without lense (including Bongo Bong) to see if I could. I would not do it again

[coarse ocean]

I know that discussion was a ways up but thought I’d add to it.

[red torrent]

yeah i think randomizer has a setting to not require lens in logic for well/shadow/getting to spirit but i would rather not lol. its like the alttp randomizer setting to not require lantern for dark rooms

[narrow ivy]

OoT is the only GOTM I've finished this month. I think I'll play Deadeus and start Zero mission before next month

I couldn't get into the other two

[red torrent]

yeah im not gonna finish live-a-live at this point lol so ill wait for a sale on the remake

gonna give way of the samurai an honest shot tho

[narrow ivy]

I think I could finish wots. I started it but I just didn't like it very much

[coarse ferry]

Yeah it’s short

[zinc plover]

I am saving Way for the last day. Live a Live is great.

[forest walrus]

Well I started on Majora's Mask after beating OoT and Master Quest. I think I'm getting close to beating MM. I just got the light arrows. 🙂

[red torrent]

that dungeon is so good. one of the best in the series imo

[crude terrace]

I'm in the city in the sky in twilight princess. Got my double clawshots

[wicked hull]

Alright, gonna start this one tonight and try and power through in a week

[oblique radish]

Glad I'm not the only one still starting lol

Going with the 3DS-version. It actually looks pretty dang good.

[forest walrus]

It's definitely interesting. I fought this really cool shadow mini-boss. c:
It's the one that leads to the room with the boss key.
And I just obtained the Giant's Mask.

[long light]

I think I'm on track to 100% this by the end of the month - never did I think this would be a game I'd 100%. Those damn skulltulas were always so intimidating

[forest walrus]

Awesome! 🙂

I wasn't sure if I was going to get 100% completion in OoT either.

It was totally worth it though. ^-^

And now I'm close to not only beating Majora's Mask but also getting 100% completion in this game too. ^_^

[umbral nebula]

I could probably go back and do 100% on my save, I got a ton of stuff just normally, but eh. It's only eight heart pieces, the ice arrow, and the last bottle.

I'm not one for 100%. I go for what HLTB calls "Main + Extras". I do the main campaign and whatever side stuff I feel like doing until I'm satisfied and go and beat it.

[forest walrus]

I still wasn't satisfied after getting 100% completion in OoT, which is why I did Master Quest afterwards, and then Majora's Mask after that. ;P

[long light]

@forest walrus were you doing retroachievements as well?

[forest walrus]

Nope, I just had a Legend of Zelda itch that I really needed to scratch. :3

[long light]

So far it's been a really fun set - might be exactly what you're looking for if you have the "beyond 100%" itch

[forest walrus]

Well I just got the ||Great Fairy's Sword|| in Majora's Mask so it seems like I'm pretty close to beating this game. I'm really not sure what I'm going to play after this though. I've been considering finally replaying Link's Awakening DX, since the only time I played that game was on 3DS and I thoroughly enjoyed it. That was a long time ago though. It's probably been around 10 years by now.

[long light]

I had a really good time with this - oddly enough, better than I remember having back in the day

[nimble maple]

Meanwhile I’m in spirit temple and wondering if I will have time to complete the game before the end of the month lol (I never beat it before)

[dark smelt]

you should easily, I think

According to guide, after Spirit Temple there's only Ganon's Castle left, I just finished shadow temple, so I should also make it in time

[wheat leaf]

You and I have been lined up the last few days. Let's finish this!

[nimble maple]

Where you at now ?

[red torrent]

yeah id say you have like 2 hours left maybe

[wheat leaf]

Just got the gauntlets in the spirit temple

[wheat leaf]

Man I love it when you get a compass early on in the dungeon

[wheat leaf]

See ya later, Spirit Temple. Fun boss fight, and loved the ending

[oblique radish]

Haven't beat it before either. Just got the last Spirit Stone, but I have no idea if I'm on track or not.

[zinc plover]

You have lots of time. If you don't have plans this weekend

[oblique radish]

Played a tons of Majora's Mask back in the day so that ||Song of Time really sent some shivers down my back.||

[wheat leaf]

My weekend is slammed but I do have the day off tomorrow so I have no excuses to get most done tonight

[brisk current]

Why isn’t princess zelda help me escape by floating with her or something

She’s just going around avoiding the rocks and let me take all the heat

[patent spruce]

oingo ongo kongo, I don't want to be on this bongo, oh no no no no no

https://tenor.com/view/ashley-roboto-bongos-bongo-cat-gif-24315472

[forest walrus]

XD

[brisk current]

Amazing. I forgot how cool is that last fight

[forest walrus]

Ikr? c:

[brisk current]

It makes me want to finish it again but 100% and full exploring

[forest walrus]

You should, it's worth it imo. 🙂

[brisk current]

I might do that if I don’t get any gotm interest games… only one I might do is shantae if it wins

[zinc plover]

100% wasn't too great for me. Lots of filler. Looking at you Ice Arrows

[red torrent]

i mean the reward sucked but i kind of like the gerudo training grounds as a mini dungeon

[forest walrus]

Same here. 🙂

[brisk current]

I did skip a lot of stuff on purpose because I knew I was barely gonna finished the game before the end of the month haha

[red torrent]

i bailed on skulltulas lol but 100%ed everything else